You know that feeling when your dreams are just so amazing they just can't be real, a good race in Valencia, a Sauber looking quick, Kamui Kobayashi reminding us all why the legend that is Peter Sauber hired him.
Yesterday was one of them except for one notable exception, it actually happened. Yes, my friends, Valencia produced a good race. Trust me, I'm as shocked as you are. Bulletpoints please.
- So, Valencia. I think its fair to say we're all glad that Mark Webber is fine after his horrendous accident with Heikki Kovalainen. My heart stopped beating after that one for sure. But that provided a whole different perspective to the race. And now I'm pretty sure by the time you read it, Ferrari still won't have shut up about the race. In that case, I'm calling it a scandal that Kamui Kobayashi was forced to pit from 3rd, it totally ruined his race and had to overtake people to get back up the field. Shocking that is, shocking. But lets be fair to the lad, he had a good race.
- On this day in 1958, France and West Germany played in a 6-3 thriller for the 3rd place playoff, with four goals from Just Fontaine helping France to finish 3rd. Brazil went on to win the tournament against Sweden, beating them 5-2. Today, three brilliant teams and one that beat Italy go head to head in action packed football. I'll let the football post go into more detail, but you can look forward to Holland v Slovakia and my adopted team Chile v Brazil. Come on Chile!
- Did someone just say they aren't a fan of football? I think you're mad, but there's plenty of other stuff going on today. Well, there's Wimbledon going on into its second week, I do believe Andy Murray is playing. And would you believe it England won...in the cricket. Yep, it isn't good really. But hey, there is also...aha, the Men's Water Polo World Cup, for you fans of the sport and you are bound to get excited by the European Championships in Shooting. Sport, it goes on all the time.
- And a quick shoutout for those who would love to be journalists. The folks at The Chequered Flag are requiring the assistance of a chap or chapess to cover the WTCC at Brands Hatch. The event is July 18th so make sure you can go. I would go but, well, its all the way down south.
So, Monday, its way too hot in the UK, and if its hot where you are, enjoy your day. If it isn't, I'm not stopping you enjoying your day have a good one in a slightly cooler climate to what we have. Because, well, temperature wise is the only thing that England beat Germany in yesterday.
Have an awesome Monday.
good morning monday
cricket... on sidepodcast? never thought i'd see the day, rg!
slash was at glastonbury? cool.
morning all.
hello amy and alistair. how are ya?
morning amy
morning
squire
how does you be mr c sir?
morning leigh
never better. just watching the last of glastonbury and recovering from a hectic weekend.
i am sooo pleased that factbyte factbox worked. the updates were only finished yesterday and there was zero time to test. am raising a glass to us in celebration :)
cheers!
cheers :)
i am quite tired. this is ok as pamela is too so dinner has been moved to tomorrow night. and today is tickets day 2: electric bugaloo. that is exciting :)
excellent,
in hindsight, i think going out for a few pints on sunday evening was probably not the best idea i've ever had
just woke up and am somewhat groggy
:o
but there's so much to discuss!
ah-ha.
*hides wine glass from leigh*
Hi all. Am exhausted after hectic Sunday. But very excited as today marks 2 weeks until I go on hols. Awesome :D
don't worry; i shan't be drinking anything other than tea now
will this week be the last post race dinner then?
speaking of tea, i'll just go stick the kettle on
Nah, we are having a post quali, pre Silverstone race lunch!
phew!
we've thought of everything!
some might say you planned it that way.
:D
i would like to make one small retraction from the other day
.... ok
My moan about the walls and open run off areas being too close at Valencia was wiped out when Webber went flying over Heikki's Lotus
a big win for f1 safety (and gp2 safety) this weekend.
Yep - a shocking accident. The thing that sounds out for me though, is due to Lotus' poorer downforce, how much earlier Heikki was breaking for every corner - the two Virgin's and Hispania's even earlier still
That's the 5th time this season I've seen an accident like that - crazy!!
very dangerous. the 107pc rule isn't going to help, there needs to be a new test of worthyness.
What other way can in be judged though? I don't realistically think a team can be thrown out because of a severe lack of downforce - it means they're getting off some of the corners slower and having to brake a little earlier sometimes, but it's motor racing - it happens.
I still think far too much is being made of the speed difference between the new teams and the established ones, but maybe in the last few years, the drivers have gotten too used to cars that stop dead 75 metres before the corner?
i think that's true, yeah.
Well, if anything it brought the conspiracy theorists out at ITV - they love a good moan (especially if Alonso is involved); apparently the Hamilton's drive through was the FIA supporting Ferrari again... ughhh....
One thing I can't work out though - Hamilton was clearly wary about passing the safety car, by why did accelerate as hard as he did once he was passed?
that's what I think when I see a driver following another car nose to tail down to the brake zone. How do they know the car in front won't brake earlier than they think? they don't, the speculate that the driver in front will do it spot on. What happens when the car in front changes his braking point? Ask Webber. Following a Lotus on a RBR that closely at the end of a straight is asking for troubles...
I don't think you have to trow out the new teams for being slow (at least, not at the level they are now). But drivers should be more mindful of the cars around them and their respective capabilities.
...which brings me onto my next moan. When is EJ going to stop with this new bashing? Trulli qualified 2.5 seconds off of Kubica in Q1 - 2.5 seconds!! Senna was last only 4.7 seconds down...
Considering where these teams were at the start of the season, that's a hell of a gain!!
PING --> Picture of the Day #1
http://theformulaoneandmotorsportsarchive.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/picture-of-the-day-1/
Hasn't ej been defending the new teams? Because he knows what it's like to be a slow team?
He seems to slate them at every race for being "too slow"
well, I do not know how does it feel being in Valencia for F1 for journalists and people in the paddock. I was there in 2008 and from fan point of view it is close to perfect location. the track is right there in the city accessible by public transport (something that Joe has been advocating in his articles for quite a while), it takes no more than 10 minutes walk to get from grandstand to the beach, one is not limited to the offerings of the refreshment kiosks at the venue but can sit down in any of of sea side cafes (that are those 10 mins away). Not to be overlooked is the ever present Spanish food including the paella valenciana ... Yes, the track is bad and something should be done about that, but that does not mean the location should be slammed ... If track design offered similar sort of racing we see in Canada, nobody would care about the containers, everybody would talk about the beaches ...
My only real complaint about Valencia is I can't tell most of the corners apart...
:/
Why am I awake now? It's not natural. I blame the birds.
Morning!
Do you think now that we all have had a great look at the underside of the Red Bull that they won't have hired goons blocking the back of the car on the grid now?
We might have visits in the middle of the night next time
Me too. Was awesome on so many levels!
I raise my smoothie glass and say 'skål'!
They were so much like the F2 incident in Morocco!
aye - there was also kaselowski in nascar and conway at the indy 500 too
How did Webber not get ANY injuries from that crash? The G-Force of the endo would have been horrible and then he smashed into that wall!
Davidson said it had a lot to do with the angle he hit it at
PING -->
2010 European Grand Prix Review (Rd 9) http://theformulaoneandmotorsportsarchive.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/2010-european-grand-prix-valencia-round-9-june-25th-27th/
Oh my sweet goodness. Just saw it. That was a crash and a half....
I really have to ask what he was playing at though, poor Heikki
I am so mad at my new property manager. She wants to evict us because apparently the place is "filthy" and the examples she gave were that a) the skirting boards are dusty b) the bathroom mirrors have water marks on them and c) the inside of the dishwasher has food residue (or it did have considering when they did their inspection it was full of dirty dishes)
I knew she had it in for us but this is ridiulous.
:( Oh dear. I don't think I've cleaned skirting boards. Ever. I'm pretty sure I'm a good tenant.
What is she going to do when she has a vacant property and then manages to get people who don't pay their rent on time or whatever....
It's great for the guys in the paddock...
They have a great area right by the dock looking out at the yachts as well as the area under cover for their engineering trucks right up behind the pits...
It is a less crowded Monaco for them...
The only possible annoyance is that they have to brave the general public if they come by car as to cross the bridge over the track through the main grandstand area.... if it's by boat they are fine...
Whereabouts on the track were you Wolf?...
The spectator problem was that you were sectioned into one of four areas and didn't have general access around the entire track...
Going corporate was great but I didn't enjoy the general spectator area at all....
its the sort of things I do once a year as part of a giant spring clean, but to suggest I'm a person who needs to be evicted because of that is just silly. My flatmate wants to ring her up and complain about her and ask to speak to her manager but I'm sure making her more angry is not the best course of action. She's only been in the job 5 weeks, we never had any issues with our 2 previous managers :(
Yeah definitely. If it were me, I'd leave it be for now. I'm sure they won't go so far as trying to evict you over skirting boards surely!? It's just insane. Maybe she's just mouthing off. I'd wait and see what she said next before going over her head.
I kind of want to do a super duper epic clean this weekend so when they do their follow up inspection next Wednesday there won't be a single thing they can mention.
also, have you slept at all? :D
Erm yes. I went to bed at about 10
I'm back in the early morning routine so now I automatically wake up at 6am which is a bit of a bust. Stupid birds singing.
We had to do it when we left our old apartment here. Let's just say it's a bit nit picky!
Get legal advice.
Okay yeah I'm not talking about the big clean you do when you move out. I like my deposit. On a day to day basis though. I just can't be bothered with skirting.
it amuses me that she noticed the bathroom mirrors but apparently didn't notice the broken shower, that we have reported to them FOUR TIMES.
Letting agents are awful! I'll only rent privately now. Agents charge stupid fees to get everything set up and they're very mean.
Neither could we!
bridge in front of me, beach right behind :-)
I've never dealt with them before, in my home town I always rented straight from the landlord. They were always a lot more willing to spend money maintaining their properties than it appears property managers are. I want to buy a house but my love of travel will prevent me from doing that for quite a number of years I'd imagine :D
So far our landlord (a company) have been really great - even pointing out stuff to us that we didn't even notice ;)
this is really interesting, here there is no way for the landlord to walk into the apartment unless I ask him to ... even if I am about to move out he can only come and see the place at my discretion. it is property, but once I rent it it is my home.
That's the case here. A landlord must give 24 hours written notice to enter your property and you can refuse if it's inconvenient for you.
I'm not sure how it works here - but we were asked to point out any faults when we moved in, which were sorted ASAP. I have been told it's quite hard to get evicted and there's long notice periods. The downside to this is that as a tenant, one must give 3 months notice of leaving too...
It's the same thing here, the problem with our last inspection was they informed my flatmate and she didn't tell me it was happening until an hour before they arrived and by then I was already at work. I'm normally the only one who bothers to give things a wipe and a clean before they come in, so without me knowing it was happening it probably was more dirty than usual. Still wouldn't call it filthy though.
Somehow I've managed to delete Acrobat off my computer. Not the smartest move in the world....
Get Foxit reader instead - much lighter, quicker and just as compatible...
It's a bit stink the others don't bother to clean before the landlord arrives - I always try to keep our apartment clean no matter who comes over!
I feel like their mother, I also have to remind them every single month to pay the bills. Sometimes I really wish I could afford to live alone :(
That's awful :( I'm so glad I never went flatting!
Nightmare. I don't mind sharing the way I am now where I'm not really impacted at all if other people don't pay things. The landlord can just deal with that.
Morning peoples.
Morning :)
aloha
Morning :)
How are we all? It's quite warm today. I am sleepy. These two facts do not go together well.
I had trouble sleeping last night because of the heat. But I'm still buzzing from a great weekend, so it's all good :)
I am sleepy and cold. So halfway #sameperson :D
That is really bad. I wouldn't like my landlord in my room if I hadn't known they'd be there before I left it. If I've been in a rush to get to work, there could be clothes all over the floor or whatever....
hello folks
Morning Leigh.
What's all this rubbish about anti-speeding under the safety car? Does anyone know what lap this was? Why did it happen to so many cars? Seems very weird. Vettel did back people up what seemed to me to be a dangerous amount. Was that what did it?
morning christine,
how are you?
Monday, the last day for Holland at this World Cup ! :-)
I thought it was that they were speeding under the safety car.
;)
You gonna be here when they play later?
No they were all for "failing to stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU when the safety car was deployed" and had a penalty of 5 seconds applied post-race
nope, I will be in a bar and I will be loud :-)
Hullo, just noticed it on the side of the page you've linked to my New Teams Championship so thanks for that :)
going below the minimum time means they were going too fast.
Oh I see. So why only a 5 second penalty?? Might as well bomb it and get the penalty....
Alia blogged about it yesterday and can't seem to figure out why either...
Has Alonso's head exploded yet?
What irritated me is, how on Earth did it take from lap 10 til 2 hours after the race to decide on the penalty. Surely if it's to do with speeds and laptimes, it's on the system in front of them - now that was ridiculous
If those penalties were applied efficiently at the time, Alonso may well have been 4th or 5th as opposed to 10th. I'm not an Alonso fan by any stretch, by I get why he's irritated
no, he still keeps the helmet on to prevent that .... but has anybody seen any mention of 5 sec penalty in the rules ? where did that number come from ?
I feel really sorry for him!! Shows you what you get when you stick to the rules :P
It was made up about 3pm yesterday afternoon
Why? To avoid changing the podium post-race and getting bad PR?
sorry for alonso? You must be joking.
fair enough, I was afraid we were already loosing that proper FIA spirit in F1
(ba dum tisch)
Could be worse though - he could've been on the England football team...
Something like that, yeah...
kinda looks that way
Pathetic. I do feel sorry for Alonso. People are all ahead of him and they got there by cheating and presumably driving dangerously.
Kobayashi didn't cheat and still managed to overtake him at the end.
That's really not what we're talking about though. That happened on lap 55, not lap 10
What goes around.......
He's not exactly mr squeaky clean
I don't agree with that attitude. I don't know what you're talking about tbh.
Alonso is not a cheat, and he's certainly done and said no worse than a lot of other drivers out there.
Honestly, I think a lot of all of these feuds and stuff are just hot air to sell papers.
Never mind then. But there is a reason he was carrying on about Hamilton, despite the fact it made almost no difference to his position on the track
I don't think anyone is ever going to really know what went on in 2007. I really don't know what that has to do with people speeding while marshals are working on the track.
If the penalty had been applied at the, Hamilton would have far behind Alonso, but as said already, the stewards waited an age...
Hamilton and Alonso both have gone on record as saying they like and respect each other. Alonso just doesn't like McLaren, and I think he has been forced legally to stay quiet about what happened to him there...
There's a post for the Hamilton penalty conversation anyways: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/06/27/post-race-debate-did-hamiltons-penalty-come-too-late/
I'd agree with that. I saw him pull over and pick up Hamilton on a parade lap after his car broke down. That was cute :P
Fabulous Wimbly post from Lou: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/06/28/wimbledon-2010-day-7/
I'm also horrified by the driving of Webber and the attitude Red Bull towards it. If the car is so much slower and you can overtake so easily on this track, then why didn't he just wait that one corner and go past.... Pathetic.
from what was said after the race (by both Webber and Kovalainen) the case seems to be that Webber underestimated the difference between breaking points of Lotus and Red Bull ...
Yeah. But you know the car is slow. Stay further behind.
It is a race you know?
well Kobayashi was on fresh rubber. unlike Alonso who started on softer tyres he had the option to go for long long stint ...
well, he made mistake, but he obviously did not expect that Lotus would break 80m earlier than Red Bull ... at the same time, Heikki had every right to defend although for his race result it would probably be better to let Webber pass ...
Yes. But he drove into the back of another car. He could have killed someone or himself. If you want to overtake, it's your responsibility to only do so when it's safe. There was no need to be so close, what was the point
Well... yeah, true.
We were just discussing why Germany has so many different names in different languages and came across this fantastically geeky page on Country name etymologies on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_country_name_etymologies#G
Well that's just short sighted. I think it is inevitable that Webber would get past but there's no reason to make it easy. You shouldn't have to move over or risk someone running straight into the back of you.
Yes, there is a need to be so close. You could see with kobyashi how hard it is even for the faster cars to overtake. If you are saying webber was so much faster, then why did kaovliainen bother blocking? This is F1, not go karts.
Why not? If I'm in front, I can choose whichever part of the track I like.
It doesn't help that Tilke designed the track with a long straight with all those silly kinks in it...
I am biased though. I've seen a lot of incidents that have caused me to put Webber in the "dangerous driver" column before today.
I don't think its the tracks fault, it is down to the two drivers. You get straights with kinks in other tracks that don't cause issues. That I'm aware of anyway.
Why not indeed, but there is equally not requirement for webber to sit there and enjoy the view. They both said the problem was the difference in braking distance
I'm not saying it's just the track's fault - but if you have a rule about only moving to change your line once, it's hard to slipstream and make that move when both drivers are going to be moving around as the track dictates..
I'm not saying he shouldn't go past. But only when it's safe to do so. I don't see how there's even a debate. He couldn't get past there so stay behind a bit longer. Behind meaning, actually behind, not lodged in the back or flying over the top.
I cant wait for the stupid wings and rules next year!
but he would have got past, down the inside into the next corner. The move webber was making happens all the time
Yes that's fine. But obviously what he did was wrong because he caused an awful accident. If he wants to risk his own life to make an overtaking move that's fine but there's someone in the other car too.
It's a bit of a catch 22 here. If he holds back, he's soft, but if he goes for it, he risks crashing and is too aggressive.
Heikki was never in danger thankfully.
Red Bull have all their bases covered with Vettel and Webber.
I think we have to agree to disagree. I think it was unexpected and a mistake by both of them.
:-)
How did Heikki make a mistake? He drove a normal lap for him. The fact that Webber was confused about where he had to brake isn't really to do with him.
Also where is the forum?
I believe there wasn't one. Technical problems and/or they were watching the football.
They didn't bother because there was a 'power cut' while the football was on. Incidentally I noticed that after they gave up, the football stream worked better. Coincidence?
the spectators could have been though, Heikki served as a perfect launch pad, the big chunks of both cars were all over the place ...
by the way, only few hours earlier this happened in GP2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IaVgP9x_0I&feature=player_embedded
Yeah freaky!
Never sit at the end of a straight. Ever.
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/06/28/pedro-finally-makes-his-mark-on-christines-rankings/
Krall's accident left him somewhat worse off though - the poor guy's initial impact was to his back. Has there been any updates about his condition yet?
(Wanders in after very prolonged absence)
Hey all!
Today is looking up. My parasol is (unexpectedly) here :D
Also they've posted it direct to me from NZ and haven't been in touch about paying them. Some people are too trusting I think :P
I'm just excited because I've a busy two weeks coming
last I heard was during the F1 race yesterday, they said he is in hospital on observation but OK, not much more. surprisingly I haven't read anything yet on that in Czech media
Ok, found something - he is in ICU, bruised, shocked but without any serious injuries
Alison has Nick bought a cat so he can pretend he's a baddy in James Bond? (It's just arrived on my fb and is a bit scary....)
Morning all
morning jon
Excuse me??
Good stuff from IndyCar - they just released another archive race. I do wish FOM would take this approach...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHVb-hE8uMI
Oh that cat! Yeah it's his friend's and it is really scary....
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs035.snc4/34089_440205661689_683686689_6320500_2752512_n.jpg
Reminds me of this....just less scary....
http://www.mi6.co.uk/images/stills/yolt_2_280.jpg
wooooooah-ah why would you buy a cat like that!
Nick loves it. I'm sure it's plotting to kill me.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs197.snc3/20470_262265616689_683686689_4924049_5685202_n.jpg
Shh, I'm not here.
My boss has become a bigger boss and I've been given more hours. But it means starting earlier and a shorter lunch. And I probably shouldn't be here so much in the day. :)
Back later..
ouch pat
Sounds like a promotion to me. Congratulations :)
Nick doesn't like my parasol :cry:
Sort of unofficially I think, yeah, thanks :)
I passed an accounts course some months ago and he feels guilty for not giving me more money and more work afterwards. Instead of a pay rise I get more hours and a promise to look at pay when the company can afford it. Tbh we pay a lot for this other guy to come in and do work I can now do so it makes sense, company pays less and I get more. Win win. Apart from the other guy.
in that case, congrats
Well done Pat!
BASSAAAAANOOOOOO
Nice stuff ;)
Oh come on Kim!
Thanks!
Hi RCC, been busy?
Apologies for posting this here but I have 2 tickets to give away for Goodwood Festival of Speed this Thursday, 1/7/10, that I can no longer use and even worse I am struggling to find someone to use them and would prefer them not to be wasted..
I got them for free so please help me find a home for them. Collect Solihull, West Mids or will post them to you. Contact me on 07970 480 433
First come first served.
goodwood ticket has arrived!
cheers andrew, we must be able to find someone to take these off your hands.
Excitingly for me I will be spending the day in Solihull on Wednesday!
However I cannot be at the Festival of Speed on the weekend.
via cali: http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/27/video-kindle-ipad-iphone/
Amazon just introduced audio and video to the Kindle. Adding music or narration to digital editions of books is fairly straightforward, and given the popularity of audio books, being able to both read and hear a book should be popular for some genres.
hello peeps - just a quick question - does anyone have a link to the red button f1 forum from yesterdays race? I was out and couldn't watch it - normally can find it on iPlayer but can't seem to locate it.
You know that feeling when your dreams are just so amazing they just can't be real, a good race in Valencia, a Sauber looking quick, Kamui Kobayashi reminding us all why the legend that is Peter Sauber hired him. {Original entry}
I certainly do - thank you Kamui for brightening up a potentially dull race :)
rocket! cheers for your post.
jake sabotaged the generator so he could watch the football (allegedly), so it wasn't recorded.
- Rocket
There wasn't a forum due to a general power failure after the race
Mr C Sir,
they aren't letting this one go:
Montezemolo: What happened at Valencia was very serious and unacceptable
bringing the sport into disrepute now, surely?
oh bugger - i always like that bit!
hey ya, sir. sorry i went to sleep mid-conversation last night!
no worries, hope it was ok - shame the outcome of the game wasn't better
I unfollowed.
Nay sweat Sir
If it's good for you, a rather special guest post shall be swinging your way on Friday
:)
Amazon pointing a big gun at their own product line there... Proving that they really just want to sell content not necessarily machines.
noo, i love it. we want more chaos in f1 right? it's the only thing keeping the sport interesting now that webber's ruined his only shot at the title.
i think so. i guess they probably looked at the pad and figured they couldn't get close to it and threw in the towel?
Depends on your definition of chaos. So far all I've seen is a lot of whining. Plus their tweets never make sense anyway.
that and the fact that two English men are leading the world championship and one of them happens to be Jenson! :)
more from monty, now calling on the fia to act:
That is a very serious and unacceptable event that creates dangerous precedents, throwing a shadow over the credibility of Formula One. We are sure that the FIA will fully analyse what happened, taking the consequent necessary decisions. Ferrari will watch this with interest.
http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/100628_F1_Montezemolo_what_happened_Valencia_serious_and_unacceptable.aspx
In all fairness, something needs to be done; however not necessarily to the safety car procedure, but to the way the steward process is done
Which bit is he actually mad at? The safety car?
the stewards. for not penalising lewis soon enough.
What's all this rubbish about anti-speeding under the safety car? Does anyone know what lap this was? Why did it happen to so many cars? {Comment #95}
If the Safety Car comes out, there's a window which drivers have to reach the pits. The maximum speed limit is to keep marshals safe and also to prevent people getting improper advantages from being able to dash round and pit before being picked up by the Safety Car. There's also a minimum speed limit in order to avoid messing up the Safety Car process or impeding other drivers' legitimate right to use the pits by backing them up.
This happened on lap 10 (the only time the necessary conditions to activate this situation). My guess is that either the delta times suggested were off for some people or a lot of people had simply forgotten that this "window" rule had been activated (before it was just a question of not exceeding delta time). It's also possible that the maximum permitted speed is lower than before.
Ah. Then you're in the wrong thread :)
bugger!
i think it may need a whole new thread.
Amazon just introduced audio and video to the Kindle. Adding music or narration to digital editions of books is fairly straightforward, and given the popularity of audio books, being able to both read and hear a book should be popular for some genres.
Amazon pointing a big gun at their own product line there... Proving that they really just want to sell content not necessarily machines. {Comment #209}
Amazon have proven with this that they have some sort of interest in selling to the segment of the market that can't access standard text. It's a nice touch.
ah, we've heard from them all now. so it'll be forgotten soon enough. If Ferrari had benefited I'm sure they'd have no problem with the rules.
we haven't heard from the fia
I meant all of Ferrari, I expected Luca to come out with something yesterday. He must really hate street circuits now, first the circus in Singapore and now Valencia ;)
Oh I see. So why only a 5 second penalty?? Might as well bomb it and get the penalty....
Alia blogged about it yesterday and can't seem to figure out why either... {Comment #106}
Indeed I did. Still can't find a good reason why this was done and I'm not expecting one now.
What irritated me is, how on Earth did it take from lap 10 til 2 hours after the race to decide on the penalty. Surely if it's to do with speeds and laptimes, it's on the system in front of them - now that was ridiculous {Comment #108}
I thought it was open-and-shut, black-and-white. However, if the FIA decided it needed to be seen post-race, it is worth saying in mitigation that they tackled two pit-lane unsafe release incidents (neither of which received any penalty whatsoever) before the "Speedy Nine".
the must read post of the day: http://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/is-formula-1-bringing-itself-into-disrepute/
Why? To avoid changing the podium post-race and getting bad PR? {Comment #113}
Had the full 20 second penalty been applied, Button would still have been 3rd. Simply delaying proceedings post-race achieved that much...
I like the comparison between what happened to Renault last year and the GP2 team this year. I think it shows under Max the FIA and the stewards ruled with an iron fist giving out the strongest of punishments under Todt we have the exact opposite. ideally we need to be somewhere in the middle.
That is an excellent post.
mark webber on techpro barriers:
But I knew there was a lot of run-off down there, so that was good. I was also happy it was a tyre wall and not the Techpro stuff because that is not as good as the tyres.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84878
tecpro, rather. autosport typo.
could've been so much worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkSr1rQ0W1g
(**contains silly timo glock moment...)
what's the relevance?
Those words can't be put in the same sentance...ever.
when viso got airborne, he collected against the concrete blocks
ah, i see. soz, was looking for tecpro barriers being worse that tyres there.
from james allen: http://twitter.com/Jamesallenonf1/status/17254633546
#f1 qualifying about to start
it is?
that must be why he wasn't in valencia, because he is in THE PAST.
it's probably cheaper to follow f1 that way.
Come on Ponds :) :) :)
Perhaps F1 is trying to be more like Indy, qualifying weeks before the race.
♥
ahh, so he's ahead of time? nice one
Dear comments.
What should I have for dinner tomorrow?
Lots of love,
Amy
Ooh, fun! What is a schnitzel?
its like, meat covered in breadcrumbs.
And fried! All kinds of Awesome.
I must admit, I am tempted by the pizzas just because I haven't had pizza in aaaages.
We went to this place before we went to see Joe, and I seem to recall I really wanted crepes. Might have to do dessert :D
What's a parmigiana? It sounds like it should be nice.
Have that or the flounder.
And take photos 'cos this food sounds interesting :)
I think Amys about to explode
Amy, were you after Bassano? http://twitter.com/bassanoclapper/status/17255710507
I had a question for him, my headping didn't work :(
yarghhh...
back from the foosball table - we lost
:(
ooooh http://twitpic.com/20q6lq
parma is schnitzel with tomatoey sauce and cheese on top. It's a very Pamela dish :D I am planning a blog about food after we go to our in-the-middle-of-silverstone lunch because the food at that place makes me very happy.
I'm getting convinced that the post office has swiped my silverstone friday ticket - it hasn't arrived yet
:(
"French toast made with organic brioche and sered with mixed berries, vanilla bean mascarpone and pure maple syrup."
Hands up who is freaked out that I've picked my menu item two weeks in advance :D
I was only just with you when you said dinner tomorrow!
this is why I can't deal with restaurants that don't have websites with menus :D Too many choices, I have to know before I arrive!
Interesting post from Pressdog about IndyLights drivers coming to the US from Europe and about pitching for sponsorship
http://pressdog.typepad.com/dogblog/2010/06/fil-drivers-chase-wins-sponsors-and-luck.html#more
Just be like me and spend ages deciding when you are there.
the kitchen would close before I was ready.
:)
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs102.snc3/15002_110894712282382_110855878952932_82614_5474759_n.jpg
Awww little racing drivers, ickle Robert and Sebastian and the other one ;)
isn't that lucas?
just checked - yes, yes it is
:)
so fresh faced....
for rocket. some of the forum: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8768436.stm
Insert rumour mill here;
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/13253974
Heya guys! 2 bits of awesome news I found out today
1) Rubens is gonna be on Top Gear this series!!!!!!
2) Ant and Crofty may be at Goodwood!!!!!
Hi folks,
Anyone home?
In all fairness, Ant looks like he wants to run a mile...
i wonder if he'd take it if they offered it to him. i should imagine he would
I really don't know - especially seeing as how Klien is currently there
Are they not on each others christmas card lists?
Apologies - I made a slight error on the original post ; now fixed
PING -->
2010 European Grand Prix (Rd 9, Valencia)
http://theformulaoneandmotorsportsarchive.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/2010-european-grand-prix-valencia-round-9-june-25th-27th/
What I mean is, both Senna and Chandhok bring money to the team - something which Davidson probably won't
Very true, shame its like that.
I'd be happy with a Davidson Chandhok line up :D
I didn't think so at the start of the year, but Chandhok has probably been the better of the two this year - that's not to say Senna is doing poorly though. I think both are cooking quite nicely
i was going to complain about the castrol rankings but then i realised that i couldn't care less about them
Best bet is to keep Senna and bring in Davidson as a reserve driver, someone with experience to help improve the car because he's yet to impress me once in a race situation
Senna or Ant?
Ant
Sorry but Senna has never been top drawer...
Unless we are talking Ayrton....
fair call, Senna hasnt either really
Early days for him yet though
He's only had 7? races so i think its unfair to say he's never been, but i dont think he's future champion material
True, but Ant never got a huge break either.
In all fairness, Ant is already in his 30's - will he realistically want to do a repeat of his final year at Super Aguri, only even further back?
Not really, but he was beaten often by Sato in the Super Aguri
also true.
Fair enough but I have never seen him as special, and aside from his personality I don't see Chandhok as particularly great either... which reflects even worse on Senna....
Don't forget that BAR refused to let Ant go to Sauber and "bought" him by giving him a run in a race (Sato was "said" to have had flu) as they were worried about losing Jense to Williams....
Ant was soooo close....
we should start our own F1 team for Ant - anyone got £40 million lying around?
Excellent news both :)
Star in a reasonably priced car?.....
Not sure yet, will have to find out
He will be doing a lap in the same car Lewis, Damon Hill, Mark Webber etc did
If he's fastest, will he do his dance? :)
Stewart Lee is playing my little town as a warm-up for Edinburgh Fringe... I should go
Hiiii :)
I have lost Nick. I hope he didn't try and drive too far without putting petrol in his car again....
Again?
Hah yes. Again. He had to pull over by the side of what might actually be the busiest road in the world.... He's lucky he didn't die.
Ferrari press officer Luca Colajanni hyped up the build-up to Italy's crunch match with Slovakia on Thursday by bringing along his own vuvuzela to the paddock.
hehe. paddock life: http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/84879
So the Ferrari Press Officer started the weekend as he finished it - making a long droning annoying noise in the paddock?
:D
I love how Virgin racing just tweeted RG's new teams championship
They are pretty awesome.
Fake Whitmarsh thinks @InsideFerrari has been hacked
http://twitter.com/fakewhitmarsh/status/17272004840
they have by far the best understanding of social media of any team.
The F1 teams should have a social media championship ;)
They should win a Sidepoddie
in that case i do declare ferrari the losers
I like that idea
blimey, had forgotten them
I had to look up the name because I wasn't sure I had it right :)
MARANELLO - Pierro Ferrari "Twitter a shambolic and negative side of f1"
:)
Absolutely correct "me"....
Stefanano: The users say Twitter is a scandalous service and they manipulate it to help the fifth driver win...
having said that. do sauber even have a twitter account?
See I think Ferrari suffered from the "Heather Mills" Argument...
...The more they say, the less they are right... :D
Fixed ;)
Can they afford broadband?
One step at a time, we just got our first good result yesterday.
:)
Isn't there a pageon the wiki listing twitter accounts or did that get lost in the move
and Ferrari the worst ;)
http://sidepodcast.com/twitter/
which i've just realised you'd already done.
#affinity
I just want to see Inside Ferrari try and start a twitter argument with the backmarkers
Well... HRT aren't there.
they have an acocunt?
I know why they tweet as they do, it is so their scrolling twitter updates on their site are just updates with no links but for those following on twitter you have no idea there is a whole news article relating to it.
actually, they are via: http://twitter.com/tabathavalls
although she is really the press woman, not an official team account.
huh?
on their site they have the tweets above the news: http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/Pages/Home.aspx#
The tweets are often news stories on their site, but don't have any links whatsoever. My guess being to make it look pretty on their site but leave those on twitter clueless.
ooooooooh.
Why do I think ooooooh means I could do that
I noticed the other day when there was part of a quote on twitter but the actual quote was a lot longer.
:D
no, no. that was the penny dropping.
could be an interesting challenge though, i'll add to the list.
On the topic of why Ferrari fail at social media, their news articles can be shared with Facebook/digg/Buzz but not Twitter.
I don't think Ferrari understand what Twitter is about they saw the other teams doing it and had to copy.
Football is okay, but Slash is on BBC3 now
I finally remembered to check the tweet regarding Crofty and Ant being at Goodwood:
http://twitter.com/StirlingMossCom/status/17257377607
Do you think they'l be doing the commentary then? Eeeeeek!!
Ferrari have always been slow on the internet - I remember for a long time that one of it's dealerships was effectively the official website because Ferrari did not have one...
that says quite a bit about the limitations of twitter
That would be good, maybe for the F1 segment?
They usually have Marcus Pye (Autosport) and Titch (pick a UK racing circuit on any weekend, he's on the PA)
On a side note digg is the one I've never really understood or warmed to...
I Digg and Delicious all my blog articles but I don't think I get that many links from it...
Now they just said Sir Stirling will be on Chris Evans' show on Wednesday.
Ferrari have been slow to adopt everything over their entire history. When rear engined cars were dominating his Enzo made a comment abouthow stupid it was to putthe horse behind the cart. It is a Ferrari tradition to not do anything until after everyone else has
I've never bothered digg or Buzz. I signed up to Buzz but didn't understand why so I've ignored it since
A new version of digg was launched on Sunday but they are rolling it out slowly. You should be able to get an invite if you are lucky at new.digg.com Kevin Rose was on this week's TWIT talking about that and killing off Diggnation
except blown diffusers. mclaren last to the party next race.
agreed, but other sites have the option to share with twitter and its becoming a great way of keeping people informed.
Ferrari are trying though, I suppose that is something.
They were among the first with the chimney exhausts I think
There is always the odd thing. They were first with semi-auto gearboxes but that was only because John Barnard designed it when he was at Benetton and didn't bother telling them about it and took it to Ferrari. Strangely there has never been any onvestigation into this
ted said it, it must be true.
PING: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/06/28/tweets-of-the-week-lucas-is-number-one-briefly/
Lotus have an Energy Drink? http://www.lr8.com/
launched at the malasian gp.
Ah. I missed that because I was in the UK :(
the Malaysian GP seems so long ago now.
Nowt wrong with the UK :P
Indeed, I was just disconnected that week ;)
I know exactly what you mean. It's like I missed all that gun fighting at the cup of nations because I was in Dubai. You just get out of your routine.
Mrs. Goat just came in to ask if I was sleeping because she heard snoring. In fact I was listening to a Darth Vader clip :D
I think Joe could be considering moving back to the UK ;) http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/would-you-believe-it/
I can't remember if I linked this last night, but for the Doc Who fans, Fourstar found video of Matt Smith at Glastonbury with Orbital for their cover of the theme.. http://www.adrian.tk/2010/06/just-listen-tar-dis.html
flippin'eck.
I want Matt Smith to do the dance from Amy's wedding :)
Have you seen GrandPrixDiary's latest tweets? His neighbours' shed caught fire!
evening
Damn! Does that mean he missed the football? ;)
I Digg and Delicious all my blog articles but I don't think I get that many links from it... {Comment #353}
Are any of these "link in" services worth the bother of putting in the code?
Good night guys ;)
Evening all
How are the conspiracy theories brewing this evening?
hey chap. it's been a fun day.
I've seen some of it. I can see why Ferrari are angry, but I think given the circumstances, the penalty was fair.
The best part of the weekend was seeing MSC sitting at the pit lane exit waiting for the pack to go by though :D
it would have been fair if delivered in a timely manner, i think.
as it was it was a pointless charade.
Pretty much sums up the FIA no?
Speaking of which Ferrari chose the moodiest picture of Alonso for their email newsletter: http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/9056/capturenf.png
Massa is just off in the background, he suffered but hasn't been anywhere near as outspoken.
indeed.
that's a good point.
I can see why it's more frustrating for Alonso. I mean he was right there on hamilton's rear wing before the SC. It's mad how much difference it makes. Just pot luck. Maybe he should mouth off at Webber for a bit for being so irresponsible ;)
was webber irresponsible? it's frightening how early those lotus' break into a corner. it's sportscar territory, not f1.
If you're not sure where someone is going to brake then you need to leave more room or not drive directly behind them.
thats the debate that keeps happening, should the new teams be there? the answer is mixed, yes they are needed but this is the second race there has been an incident involving one.
why would he be unsure? all the cars break at the same point (roughly) bar the three slower teams, who he had never followed.
what on earth would make him think anything different?
I think they've all been very bad at getting out the road when being lapped. Must try harder.
i said no the other week when the question came up and i still say no. there are gp2 races for that kind of pace.
if you want to hear rants about saferty car rules listen to the first hour of radio le mans after the number 1 audi was put back by a minute due to the rediculous aco rules!
I looked at Massa's statement he is disappointed at what happened, Alonso was angry so the press have gone with that. In the autosport articles it mentions Alonso is them but Massa.
I'd have thought Ferrari would have been more likely to blame Kovalainen - not because he did anything wrong but because he's at a new team and therefore on Ferrari's target list anyway...
Surely he's had to lap them many times? Or go round them in quali. I think all drivers should have more general awareness.
if you want to hear rants about saferty car rules listen to the first hour of radio le mans after the number 1 audi was put back by a minute due to the rediculous aco rules! {Comment #396}
Which race is this?
he used to drive for McLaren, McLaren benefited...
conspiracy right there ;)
only against blue flags i'd imagine. i bet a lot of drivers were shocked when they watched the footage back. i was.
give them a break, no-one could have produced a faster car in the time space they were given. the fia shot themselves in the foot
le mans
he is still on mclaren's live timing system. busted!
:)
Well hopefully they won't be now. Never use that excuse again.
i'm sorry i can't. i like the drivers being in f1, but they are problem magnets. race after race after race.
le mans {Comment #404}
Ah right. It was such a long race that I'd forgotten about those 3 awkwardly-positioned and paced Safety Cars...
Considering how awful they all are at looking at the blue flags, that basically is an overtake ;)
then they should not be in the races and be given unlimited testing, but you cant expect them to catch up straight away
Two races... in Valencia when you could argue it was a misunderstanding, and that other race in which I've forgot. They'll come good.
I agree, they are closing the gap but that gap is always changing. The cars at the front are always finding news to go faster whilst the new teams are catching up. As scary as it was to witness we were always going to have a collision where a faster car hit one of the new team's cars.
there are many possible solutions, but leaving them out there is bad news in my opinion. maybe they should have a mini race between themselves or something.
this won't be the last time this season differences in speed causes problems/accidents.
It's not just accidents though. They really messed around Alonso and Hamilton (again :P) fighting for position last race or maybe the one before getting in the road and not moving out the way properly.
especially where the faster guys just expect them to move, even if its for position
canada.
and then there was all the talk of them being in the way in monaco qualifying etc, etc.
To be fair to new teams, its happened on two street circuits in Montreal and Valencia. They didn't get in the way around Monaco nor at any of the other circuits although there have been some close moments.
i dont remember them being in the way though, just remember a who-ha before
That was just a pathetic attitude. If he wants to hold you up, even if it's just to get his sponsors more tv time then fair play to him.
It's not just accidents though. They really messed around Alonso and Hamilton (again :P) fighting for position last race or maybe the one before getting in the road and not moving out the way properly. {Comment #414}
2009 has spoiled the grid. Before that, there was usually at least 1 team that was more than 104.5% off the pace...
Don't buy that. Only one team goes out in qualifying and that was a Toro Rosso behind two Saubers, three slow cars. As expected
i agree, i cant believe he expected heikki to just move, such a farce
that is true. but it was the smaller teams who created that.
webber didn't.
david couthard may have, but he's a pillock.
If that is the attitude then they should be banned from the track.
surely it was the bigger teams who created the fuss about it, which turned out to be nothing.
:D
I think its more Webber didn't expect the Lotus to break as early as it did. I'm not saying he break tested him, but the difference in breaking is huge.
i first heard about it from senna / hrt.
maybe, but i dont see why if as he kept saying he was 4 seconds a lap faster he a) needed to be that close and b) couldnt have waited another corner or 2
This whole position really winds me up.
agreed.
webber never at any point said he expected anything of sort.
i heard it from the others, what did senna say first?
fair enough. but i stand by it.
Hes in a title battle here, he's had the worst 9 laps imaginable and he wants to dispatch what is a slower car immediatly, he wouldn't have wanted to wait around
I do agree with this. They need to do a better job of being lapped and the need to do a better job of 'racing' faster cars when they have no chance of staying with them.
that shouldnt stop him using common sense
lord i'll never find it now. he was the person who broached the subject over a week before the race, maybe even at the previous race saying that he didn't want to be in the way, and could they excuse the top teams please.
Well that's just as hot-headed as Alonso was. If you're pulling a rash move because you're frustrated, who's fault is that....
where is this rash move? by whome?
Those at the front are used to racing against guys with the same breaking distance as them. This is the first time Webber has to race one of the new teams, Hamilton, Button, Alonso and Massa have already done it at Malaysia/Monaco.
Well I presume being that close would have been the start of his "move". I really think he could have done it easily from much further away.
interesting, hadn't thought of that.
I can understand that, Mark qualified 2nd and went backwards, he was going to be frustrated.
did you watch it? really?
the guy was getting a slipstream and the car he was following braked unexpectedly early. really, really frickin' early. the corner was hardly in sight.
I think Heikki made a poor job of handling the situation, he wasn't quite weaving but he seemed unsure of whether to move over or defend and sort of braked as if he was moving over, while blocking. He should've stuck to a line. I'm sure the new teams weren't all braking that early, they can't have been or they'd have been 5, 6, 7 sec/lap down if they did it at every heavy stop.
The other thing to consider is Webber had the f-duct and Kovalainen did not, that'll only increase the closing rate.
Of course. Everyone gets frustrated. You're driving a lethal machine. You need to drive like a responsible adult not a sulky child.
i think alisons point was that he could have pulled out alot earlier though, heikkis not stupid, if marks coming through hes not going to slam the door shut
really alison.
oh dear.
Why Mark went backwards will remain a mystery and is forgotten though.
I'm fully with Pat here, Heikki didn't know if he wanted to let him past or race him, and ultimatley it ended his race.
I don't buy Webber's excuse. He has had half a season which means 24 FP sessions, 8 quali sessions and 8 races and he has never been close enough to a Lotus to see that they brake 80 metres earlier than he does. That is nonsense. The teams have huge amount of data and if anyone was braking that early they would know. I refuse to believe the worst car on the F1 grid brakes 80 metres before the best. 8 metres maybe but absolutely no way can it take them twice the braking distance. That is fantasy.
?
okay, by heikki went left and then right. there was a wall to his right.
and to his left, there was still enough room to get buy. heikki should have stayed straighter but webber could have lifted off or waited.
hold on. that is what heikki said, not mark. with that statement you're suggesting heikki brake tested mark?
because he admitted to hitting the brakes on air.
Heikki was pretty much in the middle of the track.
but then he would've had to go the long way around him, into the next corner. off line. right was the way to go, just a bit later.
i agree, the "just a bit later" being the crutial part of this
he was or had moved right though? lemmie find some footage.
He did though..
"Yeah, he braked, or lifted or whatever, and it turns out it's about 80 metres before I braked for the previous lap so I mean it's a different category to what had happened the previous few laps."
Anyways goodnight :)
agreed. and heikki confirmed that he did in fact brake.
I have no idea when anyone braked but think about it. Why would it possibly take twice as long to stop. Three things basically affect braking distance. Tyres which are the same for everyone, brakes which can't be that different and aerodynamics. We know the Lotus's aero is decent as they are only 3% slower than the fastest car so why would they be 100% worse in braking/.
here's the bbc footage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8766194.stm
Looks central to me: http://twitpic.com/20tcbp
Gooodnight
here's the heikki interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8766358.stm
"mark was surprised how early i had to brake" - heikki
Goodnight
still a gulf down either side, easily room to get past
Night!
heikki said he was braking and gascoyne backed him up on that. lemmie see if i can find that interview.
night
here's gascoyne on the incident: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84869
"The guy was driving in a straight line and braking – sorry. Do you have to ask the question about who was at fault?" - mike gascoyne
I am sure it was Webber who said 80 metres. I understand that Heikki has to brake earlier but I absolutely refuse to believe it is 80 metres early. Webber has had 6 months to find out when a Lotus brakes and a decade as an F1 driver to learn that slow cars brake earlier than fast cars.
to me, he does move, to drivers left, and mark follows him and then trys to pull out to drivers right, but heikki moved very marginally, its not like lewis in malaysia?
yeah it was webber
Sorry Mike, but I'm going to disagree with you, again, if that was a straight line by Heikki then please, don't draw out the lines on a football pitch.
:)
:)
Ahh right. So on review this is what I see:
Heikki was in the middle, edged right then moved to the left. Mark followed his every move to get a slipstream and presumably was expecting to jink out at the last possible second.
What Heikki was doing is the same thing the new teams have been doing all year - get off line and off the power early. IMO this approach is wrong because they are being too generous. Mark was expecting him to behave the way drivers in other teams do - and how everyone did before - which is move off line for the shortest possible time so as not to compromise their own race.
Insert-England-Goal-Line-Joke-Here
Also one from Webber http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/mark-webber-flips-his-car-after-driver-props-column/story-e6frep5o-1225885383061 He says the telemetry shows Heikki braked 80m before he (Webber) had on the previous lap.
I think Heikki makes small movements but he is not switching side to side of the track.
Haha
what i'm saying is that both drivers say heikki braked at 80 metres. so did gascoyne. so either they are all wrong or you are.
no?
from the replay at 23ish seconds, he moves to drivers left and by the time theres an accident theres a huge amount of room down the side or webber to get past if hed wanted
I think what you're missing is that Heikki wasn't braking at the capability of the Lotus, he was braking early specifically to get out Mark's way.
The DHL marker board Mark hits mid-flight is the 50 metre board, from that you can see Heikki brake between it and 100m. I'd say 80 is about right.
I find it utterly impossible to believe there is that much difference between cars that are only 2-3% different over a lap. I can't understand anything that would cause that much difference.
Webber claimed Heikki braked 80 metres earlier than his normal braking point not 80 metres from the corner
that makes sense. but no-one else seems to be arguing that fact (except dc, probably)
Watch from 56 seconds at the diffuser of heikkis car, are those sparks? is the car grounding out?
Red Bulls are good but they aren't that good ;)
Looking at it again, they had just hit the 100m board, the accident happened before they got anywhere near the 50m board and you can see where others have been breaking: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3996/capturevf.png
Not sure but that would make sense, it was only lap 9 and there would be plenty of fuel on board
ok, so why aren't red bull saying "we we brake tested", or whatever?
I have no idea, it doesn't make much sense anymore :s
because they werent?
It would be wonderful if we could see the telemtry for both cars from the previous lap to see where they braked. Heikki is quoted in this article http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-collision-not-my-fault-kovalainen/ as saying he braked approx 5m earlier due to defending his position but I can't find the quote anywhere else whereas the Webber quote is everywhere
I don't know what I'm arguing for...
hehe. i say the slow cars are too slow. on sunday that also made them dangerous.
hrt's are too slow, Lotus's are pretty good id say, it only made them dangerous because the faster guys expect them to act in a certain way
Right, I don't agree with that one bit. Thats sorted that issue out then.
My final words, racing incident, Mark Webber didn't expect Heikki Kovalainen to back off which they'd be doing all season, maybe got to close, impact happened.
I'm just watching and re-watching the slowmo at 22sec :)
Heikki moves slowly to the left and slows relative to Webber near to what I think is the 150m board (taking me a while to make sure). I'm not sure if he's braking at that point or just off-throttle but he is slowing.
Presumably this means they normally brake at 80m, which makes sense to me.
i agree.
Beatse but if you watch when the gap starts to close 24-25 seconds before contact they are 120 metres from the corner. Given the gap and the braking capacity of those cars the gap between them is going to close more or less immediately. I Webber and co are correct then Red Bull is braking at 40 metres or a third of Lotus. I don't think Heikki was trying to let Webber through because if he was he would have moved to the left before braking but the contact takes place just to the right of the centre of the road which is the racing line
I think the main points are:
- Webber was surprised how early Heikki braked (80m before he was expecting him to) which is what caused the crash
- Heikki says he did brake early but only by just over 5m
- Does this difference make the new teams dangerous?
- Should they move over in a racing situation because they are going to get passed by the faster cars anyway?
- Where does that leave the ability for new teams to enter the sport and develop when there is a testing ban?
I think that's all the questions but I can't supply any answers
Well, am off, looking at the crash about a zillion times has certainly made me never critisce the huge run offs at Valencia again, night all. lotsa love.
good summary.
ultimately the fia shouldn't have allowed teams to enter whilst enforcing a testing ban on everybody. although there's nothing to suggest the likes of HRT could even afford to go if they were allowed.
i really do think feeder series are the place for those without the finances to compete properly. then again i was probably the only person in the world who hated super aguri.
night rg.
'Night RG
night rg
Definitely not. We used to have cars that were a lot slower than this season's slow cars. This is about the closest grid we have ever had.
No. If they are at Spa or somewhere the fast cars will pass them on one of the fast parts of the track but as we saw with Kobayahi fast cars struggle to get past slower cars at many tracks.
I am not certain it affects them a lot. Testing is expensive so is a lot more beneficial to the top teams. It may be no co-incidence that we have a testing ban and the closest grid in history at the same time. I have never considered that before so I need to think about it
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i think unlimited testing would make it worse, because theres no way hrt could afford to go testing as much as the other teams,
they have the finance to compete, not to mclaren or red bull level but in a year or so hrt will be up and alot closer
I'll have a go with my answers :)
Agreed.
He could've braked then but from I can see, he slowed earlier. I think by now we all know that lifting off-throttle completely in a Formula 1 car has the same effect as a normal road car braking heavily. If you keep watching that head-on shot in slowmo (pausing as you go), I think you can see that lift happening.
Nope. What it means is the drivers are handling themselves wrongly, and that's dangerous. This is a very different point. It can be fixed by agreeing rules on what to do in these situations in the drivers meetings - at each race if necessary.
It shouldn't be "after you, Claude", nobody should just be waved by. But equally, there should be a degree of mutual respect and understanding that if you're THAT slow, you shouldn't make it hard for the guy to get by you. So I wouldn't enforce it with hard rules, I'd get the drivers in a room and tell them I want them to play nice and not do something silly. This sport is over-legislated as it is, let's have some common sense.
Hopefully we'll have a little more testing next year. I think we've proven that too much testing is a bad thing and not enough testing is also a bad thing and in future they'll find a happy medium.
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I bet you didn't like Minardi either. :)
I loved Minardi
We don't have the closest grid in history by any stretch. We did last year and for the 4 or 5 years beforehand I guess
i didn't like minardi, no. i barely even noticed they were there if i'm honest.
i liked paul though. mostly because he stood up to max. i hated arrows too, although i suspect plenty of people did.
*caveat: not the Stoddart one
We had a testing ban then
there was another one? in that case, i didn't hate them. i never noticed them.
I didn't like any incarnation of Minardi. No ambition. Quite happy to be the slowest team.
Stoddart annoyed me because he arrived in F1 with his mouth wide open and left the same but achieved absolutely nothing in between
Yeah, Gian Carlo Minardi's little team that somehow kept afloat when all the other little teams around it were dying. Surviving when all the odds were against it. The ultimate underdog. All it needed was investment that never came until he sold the team to Stoddart, at which point it seemed to lose its soul. He turned into a political tool and now it is just a Red Bull puppet. Sad really