Oh boo. Everyone's favourite Daily post writer for Monday, that'll be me (just erasing the doubt you had in your mind, funny people) is currently back at school after a lazy half term (and struggling around sixth form with a calf injury again (which was caused playing football people)) and is also writing this engrossed in the Accenture Matchplay Final between Martin Kaymer and Luke Donald. So, have yourself the pilot episode of CSI: Sidepodland.
Glissom: Another body then. Any identification?
Strokes: Yes, a Mr. Sergio Perez, Mexican chap, seems to be very popular lad. We found this photo in his wallet, looks like him anyway.
Glissom: Good work. Hedges.
Hedges: Well, looks like he had a rough ride. Seemed to be in some sort of brawl, and ended up here.
Siddle: Found something here, looks like a wireless device, clown shaped.
Mace: Looks like someone fancied a bit of Giggles Radio
[Intro Music, knowing the tradtion of CSI it has to be The Who, so I say, 'The Seeker]
Flick: Well, looks a tough one. Any witnesses?
Ducko: One, goes by the name of Wojciech Szczesny.
Ducko: Well I tried to interview, but he just kept dropping the ball.
Ducko: He bottled it.
Flick: Oh, got ya. Hey Mace, got a friend, deals in this sort of thing, you might like to know. Hald on, got a call, 338, 338 people, get to it. Don't want to draw this one out.
Ducko: To the Infiniti store, and beyond.
One, goes by the name of Wojciech Szczesny.
i didn't realise arsenal lost the carling cup yesterday. no wonder janna was a bit mad about it. i assumed it was another normal sunday game. well done birmingham.
Piccy ping: Friday in Prague, including pics of me and Bassano
nice pictures. seems not much has changed since I last visited the city almost 5 years ago ...
Just reading a bit from Cooperman about the RedBull/Infiniti tie-in here: http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/02/28/red-bull-hooks-up-with-infiniti/
And I love this quote from the angry PR man whose story was leaked by the BBC yesterday:
BBC Fail :)
I have a friend who has been bought this package for Xmas: http://www.treatme.net/experiences/Supercar-Double-Driving
I was wondering if anyone had tried it before, what they thought of it and which venues would be best? It's a bit confusing because I expected it to be a choice of race tracks, but that doesn't seem to be the case...
oops its been 5 days since my last run ping ;)
Kevin Eason is also tweeting that "a lot of web reporting on Red Bull today is inaccurate. Believe me" and that the full report is embargoed until midnight...
is this about the potential rebadging of the renault engine or something else?
I think so, as he tweeted this earlier:
@5LiveF1 just tweeted the link to the Benson's article on the topic, that may be the article said to have few holes in it ?
Probably. It would be typical of the BBC to do that and then justify it by saying some rubbish about EJ being right, a lack of resources and justifying a gossip column. I don't bother with the BBC F1 website anymore.
about as useful as itv f1
those are probably the tweets Cooper has been referring to
i must admit that while i respect cameron correcting benson on a fact, i'm not a fan of the way it's done so publicly
Except the BBC should have respected the embargo and should have known better.
that too, but then again joe blogged about it last night too - was he supposed to keep silent as well?
I guess the BBC could argue that it's not really a secret but it depends - the PR guy has taken issue with the fact that BBC were invited there, broke the embargo and got the story wrong.
Also I note that Benson's twitter account says he was on leave last week - so maybe it wasn't him who wrote/greenlit the story?
there are very few (if any) reliable and unbiased sources of F1 info left , one would expect BBC to be among them ...
sometime I get the feeling if Joe does something is must be right ... the man has his flaws ...
you seem to have missed the fundamental point of twitter.
No, i haven't - i am not a fan of anything being called out in such a fashion. It is just being classless
right. how else might one approach such a situation using a public messaging system?
how about not using a public messaging system
that is the point, one should perhaps try direct message first before going public ...
is benson following him? direct messages are hopeless on twitter.
if they're both f1 journalists, i'm sure they hasve other means of contact, surely?
I am sure that these people know how to get in touch without shouting out their disagreements to the entire world. as surprising as it may sound twitter is not the only way to communicate ...
i'll cancel my twitter account now then.
look, if someone's being a plonker, call them on it publicly. if you can back it up, where's the issue? how is it classless? we know benson is full of tripe, almost everything he does reduces the bbc's quality.
doesn't mean one should reduce themselves to his level though
it is a fabulous way to communicate though. i encourage more people to do as cameron did.
i don't think he has? are we talking about the same tweet here?
Your Infiniti story has a few holes in it. Don't you think it might have been worth checking with the people who know first?
if it does have a few holes in it... i see no issue?
To my eyes, Cameron's tweet was classless and arrogant. Again, there are better ways of doing things
in that case, so must be 9,000 of my previous tweets.
In this case, Cameron is a professional and his notice came across as anything but professional.
noted. mr c = not professional.
I'm not saying you're unprofessional, but Cameron is a professional in that industry and I do believe that professionals should maintain some sort of protocol.
fair enough. i disagree. 10 years ago sure, maybe even, but things change.
i'd have written the same thing, i approve of global, public communication. it's not unprofessional, it's modern.
*maybe even 20, that should've read.
it's also worth noting benson has a twitter account and is free to respond/defend as he wishes and often does.
hullo chap. infiniti-gate :)
I am not sure there is a protocol in place, but there should be some respect. so if one journo/PR man/etc respects the other then some person to person talk should come before public crucifixion. if there is no respect then it is different story. same in any business, not only media ...
He has been living on past glories (eg breaking the Damon-to-leave-Williams story) for some time…
My lips are sealed on that front. The “Top F1 PR agency” Mr Cooper refers to is one of my customers!
there'a twitter-gate fall out going on here
Oooooo now I get it.
For a moment there I thought that was the new port on the MacBook.
Cool name though....
By the way, I hate adding the word "gate" to anything. Makes go grrrrr....
I'm surprised no one's done a whole Toy Story schtick yet
I've just come back from lunch and there's too many comments to quote!
PR man has every right to protest the BBC breaking their embargo and getting the story wrong - as mentioned above, BBC are a 'trusted source' and most people would not question their accuracy. We know different, however.
PR man also is using Twitter in the way it is intended - he is calling out Benson and wanting to discuss the matter in the public forum so that people can see what is happening. I can't see anything wrong with that personally.
Joe's headline was "Red Bull – to Infiniti… and beyond"
if it ever comes up in conversation, we (heart) them/him :)
i have finished and handed in my work! :)
how is everyone?
Good! and you?
completely shattered after 3 1/2 hours sleep, but happy :)
fair enough, i just think it's unprofessional
How would you have done it then?
This is quite an interesting wrangle. Obviously PR people hate it when scribes break embargoes, but the usual response is to pick up the phone and issue an Alex Ferguson-style ‘hairdryer job’, possibly backed up with further sanctions (keeping ‘em out of the loop on future developments, etc). Picking holes with story quality via social media is something new, and certainly not in the PR handbook.
Some interesting questions that ought to be asked:
- Is Mr Benson genuinely the author of the story, or is the PR person blasting him because it’s his name above the door?
- Were the BBC invited to the briefing? Or were they just following up on web noise?
– Is the PR person in question actually working on behalf of the PR agency concerned, or simply venturing an opinion independently?
Are breaking embargoes a normal occurrence then? If so, why are the BBC the only ones to do so - is it because they are too big to be 'uninvited'?
Appreciate if you can't answer this BTW.
Phones and E-mails are wondeful tools
But then the world has the wrong story - and you know how fast news spreads in F1. It would have been GMM'd and reblogged a thousand times before lunch...
Whats the point of embargoing news anymore? With the web around it takes one little leak and the whole thing snowballs out of control.
I can understand it for reviews of new products/games e.t.c. to protect innovation and make sure people dont rush out hack jobs.
But news is News, most of the people writing about it will likely just rewrite the Release anyway. The embargo seems silly though, Release it early or Release it late.
telling news so much ahead of the planned news release is simply an invitation for someone to leak the story ... they know someone will leak the story and that's why they are doing it ... the problem the PR man has seems to be that the BBC did not leak the correct story ... I see nothing in the tweet complaining about breaking the embargo, only complain about the holes in the story ...
Happens all the time on car mags with new car launches because the competition is so fierce.
Were the BBC briefed and then put under embargo? I genuinely don’t know. Nowt to do with me. Wait until midnight and then see what K Eason, et al, have to say!
See what's just done landed in my inbox, Steve:
Daimler AG and Aabar Investments PJS complete full acquisition of Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix Ltd.
* Daimler AG and Aabar Investments PJS acquire 100 per cent of Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix Ltd.
* Daimler AG and Aabar Investments PJS acquire remaining 24.9 per cent from the team management
* Dr. Dieter Zetsche: "This majority stake holding demonstrates our determination to build a long-term Formula 1 involvement on an even more successful platform."
Daimler AG today announced that, together with Aabar Investment PJS, it has acquired the remaining 24.9 per cent stake in Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix Ltd located in Brackley, UK from the management team led by Team Principal Ross Brawn. Daimler and Aabar together now own 100 per cent of Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix. Daimler has increased its stake from 45.1 per cent to 60 per cent, while Aabar has increased its stake from 30 to 40 per cent. Aabar is the biggest single shareholder of Daimler AG, with nine per cent. The acquisition is conditional on clearance from the German Bundeskartellamt.
On 16 November 2009, Daimler AG acquired a 45.1 per cent stake in Brawn GP, the 2009 world champion team, and together with Aabar held a majority stake of 75.1 per cent.
The acquisition by Daimler AG of a majority shareholding in the Formula 1 team sends a clear signal concerning the long-term ambitions for the company's premium brand in Formula 1.
"This majority stake holding demonstrates our determination to build a long-term Formula 1 involvement on an even more successful platform," explained Dr. Dieter Zetsche, CEO of Daimler AG and Head of Mercedes-Benz Cars. "Our company's founders invented the automobile 125 years ago and the very first Mercedes was a racing car. These are the reasons why we see our Formula 1 programme as an important element of our brand history. The acquisition of a majority stake holding in our Silver Arrows team sends a clear signal that we intend to achieve technical and sporting success on world motorsport's biggest and most important stage - and to do so in cost-effective conditions."
His Excellency Khadem Al Qubaisi, Chairman of Aabar Investments PJS continued: "Aabar's and Daimler's joint investment in Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix is a further testament to our strong commitment to the sport of Formula 1 and to Aabar's strategic partnership with Daimler. As Abu Dhabi is increasingly placing itself as a recognised host of international sporting events, and particularly in light of the continuing success of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, Aabar is proud to be supporting one of the most successful Formula 1 racing teams in the field. Aabar wishes Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix a successful start to the 2011 season."
Dr. Thomas Weber, Member of the Board of Management of Daimler AG responsible for Group Research and Development Mercedes-Benz Cars, and Chairman of the Board of Mercedes Grand Prix Ltd., added: "Our acquisition of the remaining 24.9 per cent together with our partner Aabar underlines our long-term commitment to Formula 1, the pinnacle of motor racing and the best international motorsport platform for demonstrating our willingness to compete and our technical expertise. This step will bring the colleagues from our Formula 1 chassis and engine groups even closer together and thereby help to develop our team step-by-step into a winning Formula 1 outfit. We now also fulfill Ross' wish of being in a position to focus wholly on the complex technical challenges of Formula 1 and on his role as our team principal."
Ross Brawn, Team Principal of Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix commented: "Daimler and Aabar's acquisition of the remaining 24.9 per cent stake in Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix will be a further step in the consolidation and strengthening of our team for the future. Motor racing, particularly Formula 1, is a very specialised industry, and we are privileged to have such strong and understanding partners as Daimler and Aabar to support our joint ambitions. I remain fully committed to our team for the long-term, along with the management team and all of our employees. We all look forward to the challenge of making our team successful, and proudly representing Mercedes-Benz and the racing tradition of the Silver Arrows."
Norbert Haug, Vice President of Mercedes-Benz Motorsport stated: "It is a logical step to acquire the remaining 24.9 pr cent of Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix together with our partner Aabar. Daimler and Aabar will be joint owners, in the ratio of 60/40, of our Formula 1 company and Silver Arrows works team. This lays the foundations for a successful long-term involvement at the pinnacle of motorsport."
Has Twitter gone a bit mental today because of the oscars?
not for me, but I obviously do not follow anybody who talks about oscars :-)
I dont understand PR people, to some extent they deserve all the problems inaccurate reporting causes them.
The story is out, but apparently inaccurate... so do something and allow the embargo to break?
Me neither - but I noticed the F1 feeds are going a bit haywire and Twitter is a bit slow ;)
Hopefully the above press release – cut and pasted in its entirety – will provide a few giggles. You can compare and contrast with the news stories that follow to see who has done the least work to it before publishing…
that implies benson does do some kind of research
And to be clear... Cameron is sending a message from his personal twitter to Benson's personal twitter account... While Benson wrote his supposedly inaccurate report on the official publicly available BBC website.
On an unrelated matter.... Ashley Cole, Ashley Cole, Ashley Cole. Somehow, somewhere a Laurel & Hardy film is missing an extra
Thoughts that crossed my mind as I watched the appallingly refereed London Irish vs Harlequins match on Sunday.
What has Cashley done now?
You could say he's really shot himself in the foot ;)
shot at a club intern with an air rifle while in the training ground
i heard fax machines and carrier pigeons were pretty handy too!
every sport should have a village idiot
Football has more than it's fair share!
Chelsea certainly do
So what do you think the holes are in the Infiniti story? As far as I can see, it can only refer to the numbers quoted and I'm not sure if that is something Red Bull should be so pleased about?
Ha! Joe summed up that lengthy press release into one paragraph :)
Must be the numbers?
It's a good move for all parties as Infiniti are trying to do a Lexus and RedBull get free engines.
interesting challenge :)
Are they really free?
I remember thinking.. i wonder if Jenson has a private Jet...
somehow i think yes..
We'll find out tomorrow I suppose!
Daimler and Aabar now own 100% of Mercedes GP sending a clear signal concerning the long-term ambitions for the company’s F1 brand.
There's an old saying... There's no such thing as a free
He just copied less of it in the first place :-P
Mercedes make Ross Brawn unbelievably rich.
Could these be sponsored engines I wonder?
Hehehee Ho-Pin Tung to become Red Bull's third driver
Infiniti are a Japanese brand though, not Dutch...
Doghouse has an excellent cartoon today! http://www.thedoghousediaries.com/?p=2604
oooh a Kuala Lumpur public transport app, Nokia must know it's only 5 weeks til my holiday :)
GMM: Sidepodcast confirm Ho-Pin Tung to Red Bull
Got this reply from Kevin Eason about the Red Bull story: http://twitter.com/#!/eason52/status/42188612116295680
given they have facts wrong, you'd assume they weren't invited into said embargo, surely? so they gambled, lost and got called out for it.
not very bbc.
EJ's found out and Benson's run with it I reckon.
And fully deserved too.
Let's see what they've got wrong first. If the engines are not actually free (which the BBC seem to have assumed) I'm not going to get too excited.
by running it early he gets to do another article saying "as predicted by"
it also makes the bbc f1 site look more active than it actually is ;)
if they have some facts incorrect, will they put out a "as wrongly predicted by the bbc"?
No, they'll probably fudge the original story and hope nobody notices...
or claim some of the finer details changed between then and now.
short of the engines not being rebadged at all (or being rebadged as Nissan :-D ) any other mistakes are mere window dressing
Watch for the "Ross Brawn to retire?" stories to make the rounds again.
I doubt it would have been EJ - he's had a previous occasion when he thought he was getting a free engine and later discovered it wasn't (just to make it worse, it was in 2002 when he was still running his team...)
Still, bad call from the BBC. However tempting the scoop might have been, getting the facts straight is generally important, especially when the organisation considering the scoop has the BBC's sort of reputation.
thing is though, it's not even a big story
Was thinking this, seems so much palava over a run of the mill story
Exactly - they're renaming the engine. It's still the same engine!!
Interesting. I read that in this month's F1 Racing before I logged on, which was delivered to me on Saturday. This is a bad day for secret-keeping.
It's all off season fun and games I spose.
Bored Journalist Syndrome, I tell thee...
Maybe I should call my Xbox 'Steve' from now on
GMM: Microsoft Steve out in the public domain ; bosses refuse to comment
Off-topic, I am quite annoyed because I've been given a sign language test involving signs we haven't been taught yet and I can't find those signs on the internet. My library doesn't seem to have any sign language books and nobody mentioned during the course anything about sign language dictionaries...
There are also codes, and sometimes laws, requiring embargoes of information concerning the finances of companies. This is especially true for companies on the stock market.
Especially because tomorrow is the first of March...
I'm using my day of rest to do some things i should have done ages ago.
Pics from Berlin Zoo are up on my flickr;
including some Panda pics for Christine :)
What about DMs or emails? I would have thought two F1 journalists who've been in the business as long as Andrew and Kevin would be able to use at least one of the two options. That way, misunderstandings can be cleared up and the public space being reserved (if plonkerdom turns out to be the true explanation) for explaining the details of the plonkerdom, not simply for calling the other person out. Explanations are classy. Simple name-calling isn't.
Most of us, lacking such private messaging systems, do have to use the public methods for the entire process. It's not a perfect system, but it works. I would have thought these two would have had more subtle paths to communicate with one another though...
In the hypothetical situation that the public messaging system was the only option? Carefully. With tact. Trying to figure out the truth and then telling it while respecting the public nature of the platform.
you see the world quite differently to me then, but fair enough.
Oops my reply squidged its way into the quote #fail
woah. big panda!
Maybe that is the owner of bassano and kai's giant seat!
True, but since neither of us are using Twitter as a professional journalistic communication tool, it doesn't really matter that we see things differently. If you (or I) spot the Emperor has no clothes on and say so loudly, it would result in mass applause. If a professional journalist does that it can have consequences because other contacts might worry about getting bad-mouthed for a mistake.
i just thought it was rude more than anything else
I have a couple of minutes before class, so I popped in. Great timing, Lukeh! :)
That too, though the effect depends on how thick the skin is of each individual reader.
Glad to see the headpings are still in working order with the comments then ;)
I doubt Benson would be that worried.
So is breaking an embargo?
oh. in that case i disagree with your view of twitter as well too. ahh well.
I couldn't care about less about that, but I think both were unprofessional in this instance
Benson might not be worried... ...but the people who give him information (not to mention his bosses) might be!
there is that of course
my flatmate is quizzing me on f1 facts from various online quizes.. it's gonna be a long afternoon.
kinda feel like i'm on mastermind...
Do you think Andrew Benson walks into his performance review meetings with his bosses and shouts "I AM THE GREATEST F1 WEBSITE EDITOR EVER"?
Are they really basic questions?
Gets you all geeked up though for the new season!
Hmmmm... yeah, why not?
I hope not...
throw a few out this way
bit of both.. questions from 'what nationality is Felipe Massa' to who won a GP in a certain year.. lol!
Rubens or Jenson is definitely the answer to every question.
James Allen seems to be going Electric: http://www.thechargingpoint.com/2011/02/28/james-allen-on-ev-my-journey-into-electric-motoring/
'A lesser known flag is a black flag with a orange dot what is the diameter of the orange dot?'
the previous question
'what does a black flag mean?'
so.. no real difficulty level...
The size of a large meatball ;)
What three nationalities did ex-F1 driver Bertrand Gachot claim during his career?
I wish he emailed me telling me this news
A meal-sized meatball then...
European Union, Belguim and Lietchenstein.
Ge hacked Bowls!
Nearly, but not quite
Wasn't he also French at some point?
don't you start too! lol
Try again. EU, Belgian, French.
Dear Lord. What next? Turning up at the opening of an envelope?
I have a toughie for you
How many letters are there in 'Barrichello'?
How can you claim to be EU as your nationality?
But he did drive for all those three countries. If there's a fourth, then your questioner is wrong.
Ask Bertrand - he's the only driver to have ever done it, as far as I know.
Hehehe if she knows the answer to the questions she's not asking me!
I can see 11 if that helps...
Gachot declared himself a citizen of the EU, but drove under Belgian, French and Luxembourg licenses
He managed to do the EU one briefly in 1989. It's possible that the FIA quietly pointed out to him that there is no EU branch of the FIA...
I bet they're questions like 'Who won the Hungarian GP of 2006?' ;)
Maybe in F3000, but not in F1
ah phew. we've moved onto movies..
If there is a question about romantic comedy... Hugh Grant is the answer.
or Julia Roberts. :D
richard gere if it's a retro quiz
b a r i c h e l and o
oh very gooood
I always get this wrong but I always stupidly forget...
is it ascending when something goes upwards in order and condescending when it goes downwards?
ascending goes upwards, that's right.
downwards is called descending.
condescending is a way of degrading a person...
I dont want to come across as being condescending but going downwards is normaly descending ;)
ohhh..I had this confusion before because I asked lou about it and I made the same mistake. the english language is too confusing!
Thank though :)
I like the way you used both words there! :)
No worries. ;)
I lost speed though because they are both words which are ridiculously complicated to spell! :P
came home and found christine's been incredibly busy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sidepodcast/5486450860/
Sidepodpainting and everything!
tweet from andrew benson:
Couldn't go to briefing but some details in our story about Red Bull-Infiniti link-up incorrect, unfortunately. More after embargo is lifted
that says to me. the bbc had no embargo because they didn't go to the briefing, so fair enough on that score. but took info from an untrusted third-party, and now are pretty serious trouble.
benson was on holiday for a week (or away for a week at any rate)
Wouldnt surprise me, what a cock up to make
the story was running in france 24 hours earlier - BBC were far from the ones to break the embargo
getting details wrong is another matter
they didn't have an embargo to break anyway??
depends on how wrong the details were, i can't believe he tweeted that off of his own back though. someone's clearly noticed.
actually I thought it odd that it was Benson who wrote the story - he must have pretty much got back and immediately run it given that it was already running across the channel.
A rushed botch job
Incidentally i hear one of the BBC f1 staff is going back on holiday tonight ;)
I dont think the story is all that big, F1 engines dont get rebadged all that ften, but its not like they are changing supplier.
The whole thing is pretty small in the grand scheme of things, and the embargo is just making everyone look silly and giving the story more hype.
If we see an embargo in the future, it probably means the story is probably not that huge and we are trying to hype it up to make it bigger and get more press
who knows. you could interpret the tweet as saying that someone at the beeb did go to the briefing but then for some unknown reason benson took it upon himself to write the story
I don;'t think the size of the story is the point, it's the fact they rushed out this information, got something so wrong that it's upset a fair amount of people and still managed to go against an embargo. It's a pretty run of the mill story but it seems they've really cocked it up possibly attempting to 'exclusively reveal' or whatever blurb they decide to go for.
depends. how much speculation can you handle? couple of forums saying the news is quite a big deal. guess we'll just wait and see.
I've think you've hit the nail on the head there
if the engine isn't being rebranded as infiniti that's more than just a few holes in the story.
so that leaves the minor details, which aren't a big deal (unless they are to RB within the scope of the resource restriction agreement)
the bbc usually = a high bar of sourced information. we know that the f1 side of things has been rubbish, but this is quite hopeless. it's far worse than, say, the gossip column trash.
what if it is a big story though? not saying it is, but if it were, how would that change your argument?
True, i guess we dont really know yet.
On the one hand the PR agency have fluffed this up and both they and the BBC look silly.
On the other we are talking about the story a lot more than we would be so they have done well, albeit looking a little unprofessional
Can also suggest that if people are thinking of picking up the f1 racing season preview don't bother unless you want to know about red bull, mercedes, red bull, ferrari, heikki, mclaren, ferrari, adrian newey and then finally a bit about the tracks and teams at the back.
Although mr c I noticed they are starting a digital version soon.
oh dear :(
what went wrong?
what?! they said "not likely", last time we asked.
how have the PR agency fluffed it?
don't forget the season opening race in Bahrain
Just an epic disappointment I reckon, which really bugs me because I do really enjoy reading F1R. It's a bumper issue yet all the interviews feel the same 'why are you going to be champion, how was 2010 for you' and the same main 4 teams over and over and over, until the actual 2011 preview is at the very back and not in great detail. Rubbish.
on it's way they said. bahrain preview prompted lots of questions about it :-)
F1 racing tweeted it:
They have multiple sources reporting inacurate information about their client.
Although this has been redacted the only information currently in the public domain is apparently innaccurate.
Hopefully the 'news at 12' will explain why they havent brought forward the embargo, and why it was there in the first place
wow. missed that.
Redacted? I think i meant withdrawn/ accepted as inacurate or something
Here's a comparison, on the left are the big team interviews, on the right, all the teams analysed, circuits, championship chances
not sure that's their fault to be honest. harsh to blame them, except that maybe embargoes are a bit useless these days, so that was a bad choice.
they need stuart back, clearly.
if we find out the only thing that is wrong is that it is actually saving Red Bull 7.6 million euros instead of 8 million, I will cry
they could correct the false information if it is that upsetting to them. apparently not before midnight.
May just me being fussy. But I just expect more of a season preview in a... season preview magazine. Nothing wrong with interviews but when you've just red one with seb, then have one with mark, then one with adrian in between a ferrari bit, a mercedes bit, and two mclare bits it makes you wonder if there are any other teams in there.
Can;t fault the amount of content but balance it out a bit, like.
Normaly when that happens though the embargo is lifted?
The property developers used to do it in Dubai, usualy so the stories ran alongside a full page ad for the development.
In a sport like F1 though, there are so many journalists about. Millions of people will have read the inacurate news, the actual facts will run as corrections in most places rather than as a story as its own.
It just seems the PR people arent really up to speed with the story.
But we will see, perhaps there is good reason
Although I did learn that Ross tried to sign Nico Rosberg two years ago which I did not know.
I shall just happily think to myself it was to be a test driver for Rubens and Jenson. Yes, that is what was meant to happen. Ahhh peaceful non-dropping-rubens thoughts. :)
the infiniti thing is at least keeping attention away from the alonso allegations
it's not as bad as Allianz releasing pictures of the Williams before Williams' launch
Basically proved yet again they're not a trusted source. In theory they're no better than GMM.
haven't looked through yesterday's daily, haven't the hungary allegations been mentioned?
news to me, what are they?
I haven't seen anything either
in short, the bernie biography alleges that not only did Alonso try to blackmail Ron Dennis but that he asked McLaren to make sure Hamilton ran out of fuel
2007? blimey, the sun coming up could keep that off the front pages, no?
did it come up today?
I hope there's a digital version
i saw'd it.
Was that the race where Lewis broke ranks and defied team orders?
I think I left it behind in Trinidad :(
hungary. monaco is where he obeyed orders and didn't like it
I've seen extracts elsewhere that say Fernando went to Briatore before blackmailing Dennis.
I heard that. would Ron know that though?
"The mean man isn't letting me play with the fire engines!!"
"there there, i'll move you back to a nicer nursery next year"
alonso is a bit a wally, if that's in any way true. ron brought lewis to mclaren, why wouldn't he favour lewis? not sure it makes much odds any more though.
I think a lot of people are waiting for the alonso autobiog :-)
I do wonder how much of this stuff is true though. I can't see McLaren hiring the guy if that's what he was really like...
i'm still waiting on stepney's.
Got rid of him once they found out?
very hard to tell. you'll have to wait for some of those involved to pass away first.
Good evening from London!
Back home, washing on, cup of tea in hand
hullo squire. good times?
Am about to look online for my next liver though ;)
That reminds me... here's my thoughts on writing previews this year, and why the sooner F1R is in electronic format the better...
In all seriousness though, it's a beautiful, beautiful city
good post, print becomes ever more tricky with news stories. there is value somewhere in there for non-news features though.
I thought it interesting that even the non-news features were overtaken by the news by the time they were published this time around
of course if you've already written your season finale race report...
Well he also brought Alfonso to Macca too... so actual favouritism for that reason shouldn't have been an issue....
i bet the problem they have going digital, is they'll hold it up for the print run to keep up so that traditional subscribers aren't left behind. still a tricky sell, a monthly magazine.
yeah, but 'brought' lewis to mclaren, he moulded him. he took on alonso to annoy flavio.
They didn't realise?....
(They were pretty rubbish at the man management bit)....
ron always was.
Been doing a quick scan of comments and can't figure the Infinti / Benson story. What is the story / alleged story?
How does you be sir?
Evening Mav + Steven
I'm just scouring the comments to the beginning of the discussion
tune in at midnight for the exciting/unexciting* conclusion
*we cannot reveal which it is until midnight
Benson released a story about infinity that wasn;t even fully correct and then published it before the deadline of an embargo. Now he's took it down and apologised and whatnot but a lot of people kicked off.
So I guess no-one knows what the real story is or if their is one
there are so many holes in that synopis. for one he hasn't took the story down. a simple call to Benson would have confirmed that. blah blah blah...
It wasn't really about Benson, but about how one of peers laid into on a public forum for all to see (but I don't want to go into that again)
some people do, but they ain't saying. i'm not remotely bothered by the story, but slightly weirded out by concerns that people are using twitter for its intended purpose.
I won't lie Mav, I'm not a writer for IMDB
mores the shame
Technically I don't have time to be here (BAD me and my silly sidepodcast addiction), but I just saw the following tweet appear on twitter:
I was wondering if I'm the only one who's currently thinking "Fernando did not. just. say. that." Personally I'm in favour of more incertainty and other teams than just the strongest ones doing well. But maybe that's just me...
same. he's turning into a proper dimontezemolo, that man.
He's just saying what I imagine the top teams will be thinking, we have a quick car stopping more could cost us.
As fans we love uncertainty, the drivers so long as they are in a quick car won't.
Tired but happy
Can't believe ITV have redesigned their F1 site (awful job) considering that they no longer show it...
not sure he needs to be saying it. predictability leads to schumacher domination. unpredictability lead to alonso beating schumacher.
Looks horrible. The background image is especially bad!
audience share is finally beginning to drop off: http://trends.google.com/websites?q=itv-f1.com&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
has taken a long time though.
You're probably right. But I do think it's a strange thing to say in a time where the FIA is doing whatever it can to improve overtaking and competitions, even if this is what the top teams are thinking at the moment.
Autosport has the story
I agree with him. Any sport should reward excellence. Race winners should not be decided by who was lucky enough to come out of the pits in space rather than being stuck behind a couple of backmarkers
very true. but if I remember he also said he didn't like the Bridgestones because they lasted too long. deary me ;)
they've enabled comments??
I like how people searched for tesco and ended up there. Every little helps.
Now I know how Schumacher feels in the simulator.
I wonder how much of Alonso's "uncertainty" is to do with a new found lack of trust in the team's ability to make strategy calls?
...and another thing that makes me want to tear my hair out. "Pit babes" section - who cares and what bloody decade is this?
that may have been what was maintaining their audience share!
when f1 did that, we bitched that watching ferrari dominate every weekend for three years was dull? f1 needs to be entertaining too.
Readers of The Sun.
Well, Mark and I agree about something
I might actually eventually read the JYS article at some point, it's been open on a tab for most of the day now
We went decades without pit stops. Ferrari dominated because of pit stops and Ross Brawn's strategy. Schumacher would not have won as much had he needed to pass on the track.
I'll second that! Hadn't look at it that way yet.
Bahrain produces better races
it rains a lot there, so the races are interesting. why is the track better than turkey?
I dunno - always considered Sepang and Turkey were Tilke's pinacles, but someone should please hide his pencil's in case he wants to "design" something else
the way I see it, on-the-spot strategy call is going to be more important if the tyres are going to go off quickly - the difference between a fresh set of rubber and old pair can make waiting another lap very costly. that's the uncertainty that alonso is worried about and on most recent form, ferrari are not too sharp in this area
sure, it may be a bit of a one off (openly telling massa to let fernando through suggests they're not that clever though) but is alonso having doubts?
Turkey only has one good corner. Sepang has long straights and tight corners at the end so they create overtaking chances. Turkey has a great corner to see a driver and car really working but as a race track it has nothing
my only fear is that the f1 races will end up like the gp2 asia race in abu dhabi - once the new pirelli's stabilised, they were fine for long distances.
They were fine but a lot slower weren't they?
It does. Except last year when they added 8 corners for reasons of gross stupidity
Only 1-1.5 seconds per lap slower, but both Fabio Leimer and Charles Pic could have finished the race on them if they wanted.
turkey has loads of great corners. it stole from the best.
1.5 secs over a pit stop separation stint, still a big chunk
That is what I also think. IMHO Turkey is Tilke's best. Just ask Seb and Webbo, turn 11 is difficult!
they modelled the corners on other f1 corners. so turn 1 is brazil, a cracking start to the race etc.
Yeah, but the new tyres only held speed for about 5 laps - thereafter everyone was running 1-1.5 seconds off the pace.
Why is the race always rubbish though?
Hey people again.
F1R's preview of the "opening race" rates all previous races at bahrain as either "pretty average" or "snooze fest" with the obvious exception of 2006 - I find it hard to disagree
last year it revived my interest in f1. how bad can it be?
Magny Cours did the same thing. I think people over-rate Turkey
And what boring races that used to give us
would second that. turkey is more than Turn 8. problem is you can see all those good bits elsewhere
Bahrain? it's not even the track itself really, it's the sand off the racing line that kills it - that and way too much run-off
I like Turkey but totally agreed about Magny cours, ooooooooh dear. Not a fan at all.
I honestly thought it was no better than any other race, which was average.
A track that is great to drive or to watch someone drive is not necessarily a good 'race' circuit. If you look at Monza before the chicanes and aerodynamics it had 5 corners and they were all flat and pretty basic corners but it produced great races.
But Magny Cours gave me one of the best overtaking moves I have ever seen (either '06 or '07) when Alonso ploughed past Heidfeld in teh fast chicane about 3/4's of the way through the lap - just epic.
I prefered DC giving Schumacher the finger after he passed him.
Hey guys, sorry havent been on for ages, been so busy with coursework :(
Hiya joe. Hope your coursework's going alright.
hey joe. we're quietly plugging away here too.
*i say quietly. relatively speaking that is.
interesting tweet from @f1engima:
Sam Michael believes that we have RBR/Ferrari -0.4sec-LRGP/Williams/STR/Sauber-0.4sec-McL/MercGP
STR and Sauber ahead of Merc/Macca?
Just.. wow. http://twitpic.com/44t0gx
Blimey. I'll believe it when I see it...
Two moments please
*Sends late Valentines Day card to James Key*
Though its still only testing, ahem.
hope it stays that way :)
office.. accounting software sales meeting because someone let us down... hurried stocktake as meeting made me late... yum yum new-style Pizza Hut pizzas.. window-shopping in PC World (for potential online buying in the near future)... home... shower... cup of tea.. hello SPC.
He forgot the rest of the tweet
-1.0 sec Virgin/Lotus -HRT timing still running
Maybe in testing that was true but there's no way I'll believe that'll be the OzGP pace. Merc have updates and McL are McL, they'll fix it quick.
love that title.
I was wondering - does anyone know any good PC software where I can make a picture slideshow to music (preferably in video format)?
And please don't say "get a Mac", as I know they're better for this and you're not being helpful :P
If you want something basic Windows Movie maker should be ok. Just likes to crash, but does the basics fine for a slideshow.
Cheers Lukeh :)
well, i dunno but your choices are movie maker, powerpoint or maybe this online slideshow site called slide rocket
Thanks for the tip
This is what f1 will look like thanks to that new magic P for product placement
I agree. But I don't agree that Bahrain is better than both (although it is better than some maintain.. apart from last year's version).
I know you don't really listen to it, but Willy T Ribbs was in studio on Trackside last Thursday - really, really good interview.
The RBR and McLaren battles were fantastic, it was a really good race, but it took years to get a good race there. I mean if we get another this year I'm happy to change my mind but at the moment it was a one-off.
Or two if you count Lewis in GP2 :)
i heard he did well...
What's that about?
Oh... that's not just a name for a feature on a blog somewhere?
nope - it was the willy t ribbs
lukeh, that deserves a blog post. here, yours or wherever. just brilliant.
Oh. I don't know who that is..
You have to put P on the screen now when you product placement on TV
Racing driver in the 80's and '90's. Technically the first African-American in F1 when he tested for Brabham and later went on to run in IndyCars in the big years of Mansell, Andretti, Unser Jr, etc...
Part of IndyCar career was back by Bill Cosby
Product placement US-style has been banned for years but it is now allowed, but as we are idiot plebian viewers we have to be given a warning first.
Hey everyone, i'm in need of a bit of help from people who know about motorsport.. (so what better place to go!)..
Does anyone know of which race tracks are in the south on England?
Obviously I know Brands is, lydden too.. and Goodwood racing circuit...plus the karting at Buckmore.. but are there any others? Or any tracks that are easy to get to on public transport?
Also are there any old race circuits.. Brooklands is near me here but i'm not sure if there are any others?
thanks for your help!
Sounds like a fascinating career. I think you should do a blog post on him. :)
can't think of any others than the ones you listed
I've been meaning to profile him, but I'm working on Alan Jones first.
that may be why i can't find any more then :) thanks Leigh
How do you define South of England?
Draw a line between Bristol and London and these are on or below it:
Brands, Lydden, Goodwood, Thruxton, Castle Combe.
Between Bristol and Birmingham you've got Silverstone and Rockingham and I think Santa Pod too.
i was just thinking of places i can get to easily.. we have a self directed unit next and i want to somehow look at motorsport... as it gives me a chance to get my teeth into a project i truely love... Was considering visiting different tracks or something... just trying to gather information on my possibilities.
hadn't considered Thruxton or Castle Combe. thank you!
would LOVE to visit silverstone. but i can't ask mum to drive all that way, and i doubt i'd be able to get round it..
Hehe, I'll see. Am all blogged out tonight for something nice tomorrow but I have a few ideas I can maybe do for a fun post on GWT
seems easy enough to get without a car - if you fancy public transport, that is
Has the Daily been done yet?
Thruxton is the nearest operational circuit to Farnham, it really isn't far.
ohh i had no idea! :)
Monday evening ping -->
Next to Andover. Could drive it in 30 minutes, no idea about trains though.
Oddly it is also my nearest circuit, I can be there in 90 minutes...ish.
ahh cool. Will have to look into it. i could possibly persuade mum to come with me as a day trip.. hmm..
Gaaahhh, wordpress you evil thing :(
hey bridget, what's new?
Hi Alison and Bridget
it just deleted a whole post... luckily i have a draft with 90% of it.
And if you get bored at the track (ha!), Stonehenge is another 20-30 minutes down the road. :)
ooh, two hi's. hi ali & brij.
i need sleep - am knackered
Ohh all the formatting has been taken out. *kicks wordpress*
write it in word then copy and paste it over?.. that's what i do..
yeah, it does that. how the worst content management system in the world became the most popular i shall never understand.
Come! Alex of Hornette-founding fame and I are taking trains/buses in and camping with the Virgin crew (assuming they do that again this year, of course).T'will be much fun!
Luckily thats what I had with what I have now as iw as sorting out images and links in it because wordpress wasn't playing ball.
Then it just had a hissy fit and broke down. Should be ok though, just have to insert all the formatting again.
How are we all? I'm getting worryingly used to not being at work! :)
Mine sometimes navigates the page instead of removing words, when I hit backspace, stupid thing
In Word? I'm speechless.
ah i wouldn't be going for the GP (although i really really really want to)...
I sometimes do mine in Notepad and worry about formatting later.
Hi Pat! How are you this evening?
I think I might have made progress on getting a job-offer letter for my visa application, so Silverstone's looking more and more likely =D
Hi Kai :)
Dates for your diary, shame they don't list what cars are racing except for the BTCC date.
have you used wordpress??
word 2011 is awesome?.. it came on my mac and everything.
Oh Andy i figured out why my hard drive sucks.. my mac/the hard drive seems to think it's 500TB big.. when it's only 500GB.. so it wont format it. Stupid ting.
That's a pity! Although still fun for you to have a required trip to a race track :)
All go tonight. Who's updating the list of who's here?
Am trying to work it so i can go to race tracks etc.. gonna be expensive but worth it.. just need to work out how.
It's nice to just sit on my couch under my blanket with my remote and DVR and the comments! Lap of luxury.
I'm glad to be sitting down for an extended period after a busy day. :)
Sounds very promising.
That's weird. Did you manage to format as FAT32 on a Windows machine?
Lucky you. i'm still waiting for the copy I won, not sure I actually want to install it, but as it's free...
nope! close to giving up :)
I missed the fuss about the embargo or not an embargo and I'm not sure I care but I thought I'd pass on what Geoff C said.
Not sure embargos are such a great idea in the age of the real-time web, but can promise #F1 news at midnight.
it's awesome, it's like publisher and word all together. like you can choose the type of document you want to create.. it's strange but i like it.. mainly cause it's better than the old word i had.
okay, then it is big news. proper big.
Actually if you want a much more relaxed day to experiment I recommend Castle Combe (though I assume clubbie events anywhere are the same).
i'm wondering if i'll be able to walk the track without the cars?.. like on a non race/ practice day?.. am guessing no for most. want to visit old brooklands banking though.
Its got to be Mazzacane to Hispania.
Sympathies for the busy day. Was it productive-busy or stressful-busy?
There are moments when I'm very glad to be from a country that operates as an old-boys club, with people willing to help out relatives of guys they went to school with! (Britain seems to have a rule that you can't go for a job interview without a) being in the country and b) having a valid work visa. In addition, they stipulate that a work visa can't be issued without job offers from UK companies. Makes getting job offer letters without committing fraud difficult. Hence, I'm very glad that I can do it all above-board - don't want to be too African about moving to the UK ;) )
Kevin Eason told me earlier the BBC "have not got the facts totally right."
I'm just tired from my trip to Prague last week. I got back Saturday and haven't caught up yet.
I've no idea but I suspect that won't be possible. You can always ask though, worst they can do is say no.
Be creative. At the interview when they ask about your work permit, say "it's in progress"...
yeah i didn't think it would be either, but will ring up and ask.. no harm in asking. Will give them a ring on wednesday as i'm in uni all day tomorrow
Oh Zimbabwe's not civilized enough to have a British High Commission. We can do it via FedEx and the HC in Pretoria, so there's no interview, just sheets and sheets of papers
Productive, and not all bad... just nice to sit down.
We used to have that until very recently, still do in some places, not good as keeps everyone else out..
Surely you can't go to an interview if you aren't in the country to go.. But yes things have been tightened up a heck of a lot recently. One extreme to the other you might say.
I tried at Donington but I got the very strong impression they didn't want you to!
good to know..I'll still give them a ring and see if they'll let me for a photography degree but i doubt they will.
From your tweets you are in biosciences etc, is that right? I know nothing of such things but surely scientific types would be looked upon favourably. If they aren't, something ain't right somewhere.
No harm in trying though
Denmark loves scientists - and has lots of English-speaking jobs...
Indeed. Didn't Amy manage to do it at Barcelona?
exactly. I know Mclaren wont let me but i've rung them like 3 times now. just for the hell of asking :)
I'm glad to hear that. Productivity is always gives one a good feeling.
Oh, it's rife here! I am a bit concerned that I'll be met with a wall of xenophobia (my last trip to the UK, I changed my accent in a month to sound less foreign and get treated like a normal person. That said, Edinburgh was lovely to me, so maybe it's just London).
It's the employers' rule, not the government's - as long as the visa is valid by the time the contract is signed and the first day of work happens. Employers are inconvenienced by people who come over with incomplete/wrong paperwork, so they don't interview until you have a valid visa. He was cool with a skype interview :)
It's like that the world over - scientists are going to save the world, but they're the first ones whose grants get cut when there's a recession :( Alas, Rosa Kline will never be thought of as hot in comparison to Paris Hilton - people who make cancer-eating bio-agents just aren't as sexy with their bottle-bottom glasses. My project supervisor for botany was getting me to do his grunt-work, so he could get funding for the project.
Ah I see
I'm so confused. i've completely missed any rumours today... Red bull are changing their name? or something?.. what?..
I'm not sure i'm actually functioning anymore... but i want to figure out what's going on..
'Tis a huge relief to have it down! I've been worrying about it all of February.
wait 40 minutes.
There was a bit of a campaign here to spare science from the spending cuts last year, thankfully they were largely successful.. Wish I was clever enough to do anything remotely like it..
cc: andrew benson
Instead I write blog posts about a silly game, tonight's (tomorrow morning's) will be the third in a row on TMR about the game and not a race topic :( Must do better.
I'm really not sure i can. I may just go to bed and wait for f1minute or the debrief to explain it to me. i'm so tired, and i just don't get why. I saw Joe's post.. but just.. whyy.. and why is this huge news...
ahh boo. blogging should be enjoyable.
No one really knows apart from the fact it's with red bull and infinity and beyond.
Something about their engines probably being renamed, details not known yet
You don't need to be clever to do science - you just need a certain type of brain ;) I remember reading about those on BBCSciTech. It saddens me greatly that there have been funding cuts. Thankfully, my two uni friends doing green-energy research have kept their funding!
sorry. Am gonna wait for the news and hush up till we find out more :)
It will be nothing more than that I reckon.
Yeah I get distracted easily. I had plans for blog posts but recently on weekday evenings I've only had the willpower/desire to shoot around some commments rather than sit and do a proper post, feels like work sometimes.
I thought it was pretty clear - a new name comes into the sport as an engine supplier, the engines themselves are exactly the same before. The big deal as far as I can see is that the new name belongs to a Japanese car manufacturer that has no previous involvement in F1.
So much hype for something so little.
okay, 30 minutes to go, who's brave enough to stick their neck out and decide what it'll be. we'll give you an 'as predicted by' badge if you're right and mock you if you're wrong.
i really am not confident what the news will be, so i'm saying nothing. anyone else?
Red Bull drop Mark Webber, sign me.
@amadcooper: Expect massive Twitter and web excitement at midnight UK time as the embargo passes for the top secret Infiniti/Red Bull story
sounds like more than hype to me...
I'm not even sure who is making an announcement and why they are bothering with an embargo
Infiniti to buy out shares in Red Bull, expect to become majority shareholders by 2012.
Based on my experience it's just hype - looks like we already know the content, the rest is purely to raise interest.
@alanbaldwin: Went to briefing today on the latest luxury car manufacturer entering F1. Story on reuters.co.uk at, or slightly after, midnight GMT.
Infiniti to turn out not to be Nissan at all but to be a completely different company with the same name, supplying power tools.
This is a great time for Twitter (or maybe just my Tweetdeck) to have a go-slow. :)
best yet :)
Same problem here, I appear to be getting tweets from now and half an hour ago.
RedBull Lada - with Soviet Hammer and Sickle on the side of the car as it's an 'edgy brand'
As predicted by RubberGoat.
#F1 Don't get too excited folks! Embargos are just the road car PR way of keeping the media under control.
Off to brush my teeth. There had better be a story when I get back!!!
any last guesses then. 5 mins to go.
Too late, Joe's already published.
For those into sportscar-y stuff, John Dagys' weekly chat is live:
Not that you are building this up at all.
i'm having fun :)
i'll cry if this is nothing huge. i really will. lol
That the stories printed were true in a magnificent double-bluff?
Get those tissues ready then
Best get a hanky then
engines will not branded as bbc claimed!
Not even a rebadging. Just logos and a 'relationship'.
As an aside, perhaps someone should tell Mark Webber about this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12595809?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
While I think they might have a point, it's still a bit too Health&Safety for me to refrain from a giggle.
i'm going to bed. ergh.
That is quite the fail from them then!
Awww, I hope they will be very happy :)
Since I was probably the closest, I'll take that and good night.
badge on it's way sir
not a rebadge
in other news, autosport have a new link shortener domain name:
Haha, good one, Pat!
I think I'm off to bed too. That article really wasn't worth staying up until 2am for!
crikey, autosport got THREE stories out of this:
It's what they do.
Big announcement Wednesday: the new Aston Martin AMR-ONE car for Le Mans.
Whatever happened to car compnies actually contributing more than a brand recognition exercise?
Is that the one that was on Facebook a few months ago? Another non-news announcement?
they do it very well!
three posts. easy :)
Was that a mockup / Photoshop though? Can't remember.
Lifting news from this sportscar chat. Marc Gene recently crashed a Peugeot 908 in testing in Spain in a big way.
So what's the point here with Inifiniti? I don't get what their aims are?
You've had a bit of a long day...
The car is rumoured to have taken off, which the big fin on the engine cover is supposed to prevent.
Brand recognition outside the US.
Very much so. And another late-ish night last night [no surprise]
And nothing else. They should have rebadged the engines.
Something about a technical partnership but I don't understand how that'll work.
Not for the first too years which is all that is confirmed at the moment so that's just ifs and maybes at this point
Overblown sponsorship deal
By the way, I asked this earlier:
Any thoughts? Much Appreciated if you have...
So that's two Renault teams with multiple carmakers being promoted..
Eek! How long before the fin size gets tweaked?
They were saying it was a mechanical failure and not necessarily the fault of the fin, but really it should've have worked better.. who knows.
That idea went in the bin, at least with regard to F1, when the recession hit.
I wasn't expecting the fin to be at fault for starting the accident, merely that its inability to stop Gené's car from abandoning terra firma might cause the authorities to make changes to make it better at its intended purpose.
Poor Lada. So overlooked
That's because they never stirred up a story about rebadging the engine! :-D
They cancelled a WTCC programme to get a sticker on a Formula 1 car. Has it worked? Nope, everyone still thinks they are a joke. :)
One word needs highlighting in my eyes and then I'm done on this one
Although the newly-announced deal is primarily a means for Infiniti to boost its worldwide brand recognition, both car company and team are hoping that there will be opportunities for technical collaboration in the future
Red Bull keeping their options open. In 2 years it will be time to get turbo engines. Everything could change.
The masters at getting attention are of course Group Lotus, who are doing about as much as Lada and Infiniti are
And some potential battery technology knowledge from the Nissan folk
I think they are doing more. Lada and Infiniti haven't irritated me yet
Is Licence To Le Mans a new show on Dave?
Might be new to Dave but it has existed for a couple of years.
Oh ok, ta
It was on Dave last summer
Ah. I think there might be a couple of series, one showing their GT year and another with the Lola? Not sure, never got to see any. Is it good?
I saw the biofuelled aston martin in ALMS... pretty interesting
Is on it 20 mins. Following Lord Drayson's attempt to race the 24H