Hello hello, once again. It's Friday! Hurrah! A really bad Thursday yesterday has pretty much resulted in not much energy or time to fit in the usual standard with this daily so I do genuinely apologise, but that is so yesterday. Today is Good Friday though so we're going to have a Good Friday with plenty of hot cross buns, agreed? Excellent! Although hot cross buns are basically scones with make up on... but they're still yummy...
- It's been announced by Robert Kubica that he will soon be leaving his hospital and continuing with his recovery which is excellent news and always so very good to see positive developments in his return to Formula 1. The sooner we see his talented driving back on the grid the better but of course it's always worth appreciating he should take all the time he needs to return when ready. Lovely to hear from him though.
- The legend that is Murray Walker has been talking about how the F1 season has gone for him so far, and it's always good to hear Murray's voice when it comes to Formula 1 or in general! Luckily the video is also available for non-UK based viewers here. He seems totally impressed by Petrov and quite right too. Petrov is awesome. Goodness, am I turning into a Petrov fan?
- Now I understand why it's Good Friday, because we have a brand spanking new Aside with Joe to listen to and enjoy! Hurrah! The latest show was posted late last night so there's no excuse for you to download it, give it a listen and get involved in the comments! As Mr C says in the post - You do not want to miss it.
- And this is really how not to celebrate a major cup victory at all, oh deary me. Real Madrid managed to overcome the mightily mighty Barcelona in the Cope Del Rey final in Spain, only to go and run over their cup with a bus during the open top bus celebrations. Can you imagine Sebastien Vettel becoming champion (bare with me, keep going) then going and dropping the trophy off the podium? Perhaps they would run over the trophy using these stewards.
- Pat found this absolutely awesome set of photographs yesterday showing sequence photography and I just had to share it in the Daily. The skateboarding one is absolutely immense but the whole set kind of blows my mind a bit in general, just a very cool concept. The site seems pretty cool and browsing led me to this awesome little History in LEGO set, although I'm not so sure about Donald Trump apparently being Conan O'Brian.
- Of course we are just a week away from the wedding of all weddings, Weddingmania 2, Four Weddings and a Wedding, Our Big Fat Royal Wedding! But why wait until then when you can just see the royal wedding as represented in The Sims 3? what made me laugh was the fact Harry seems to spend the entire wedding with no top on and Prince Charles has some smooth moves on him. Quite frankly the wedding must go the same as this or I shall be disappointed!
I should point out that next Friday there will be a spare Daily for some lucky person to have a go and write on the Thursday evening as I'll be away and unavailable to do so, so if you've always wanted to write the Daily pluck up that extra bit of courage and give it a go! It's great fun and you can come say hello in the comments too. Have a good Good good... Good Friday and I'll see you guys in those comments that can be much fun for all to get involved in!
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 22nd April 2011
- An Aside with Joe - This is way above all of our pay grades
- Daily: 21st April 2011
- Daily: 20th April 2011
- The end of qualifying?
the official f1.com race edit is up for china, but no sign of the malaysian race edit. maybe we imagined it?
crofty is in it though, so yay!
i love the lighting mclaren have in their garage. looks like very powerful, pure white LED's. very cool.
cmcmckinleyf1 found it on YouTube, and it looks legit. No idea why it's not on their own site though - copyright issues with the song holding it up, maybe?
Oops, meant cmckinley.
Hi all.
good call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aMr5PNrxAY&
lovely daily lukeh. yay for friday.
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 22nd April 2011
- An Aside with Joe - This is way above all of our pay grades
- Daily: 21st April 2011
- Daily: 20th April 2011
- The end of qualifying?
Good morning everyone :) Is there anybody awake?
Nice daily Lukeh :D
I see some of you talked about the two Spanish GP earlier today.
Economically, Barcelona's race is better, as the Circuit de Catalunya looses just a bit of money, but, Valencia's race is not sustainable. The race is paid with tax money, only tax money, and Valencia's government is suffering the consequences of the economical crisis.
There are rumours that say that Valencia hasn't paid to Ecclestone what they had to pay to host the race, but that's a rumour...
Morning kids,
No Turkey GP after this year? - http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/04/22/motor-racing-prix-turkey-idUKLDE73L01920110422?feedType=RSS&feedName=motorSportsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+reuters/UKMotorSportsNews+%28News+/+UK+/+Motor+Sports+News%29
I like that everyone is dealing in rumours and Joe is just like 'oh I'll just check public records'
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/team-lotus-principals-buy-caterham-confirmed/
It was in Autosport this week in the whole "it might be happening" thing - should be interesting. Must check out the context.
Good morning everyone :)
Sad news :( The track is great, but the place where it is...
True - I'd imagine Bernie doubling the price is an easy way him to get the organisers to say "no way".
Oh well, I suppose Austin is a-comin'
That's true.
The Istanbul Park is sooo far away from the Istanbul city, so it's difficult for people to get there.
Anyway, it seems Turkish people have not fallen in love with F1...
True... which sadly happens - not everyone will take to motor racing. There is also some lingering irritation following the 2006 podium debacle as well
it's a chilly evening and I can't get pie off my mind. Must...make....pie.
Alas the shops are closed and my flatmate is having a dinner party. Pie, you're on my list.
Morning. A sleep and a lie-in helped muchly. :)
What surprises me is the lack of foreign visitors, I thought it would be a good destination.
I'm not sure how accurate this is in reality but I probably wouldn't be happy travelling alone in Turkey tbh.
Oh I don't know
I'm off out for a spot of golf, see you this afternoon. :)
Just as I say that, Noble tweeted this about DRS not being run in Monaco: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90914
Ping: http://mrschristine.com/2011/04/22/friday-five-sunscreen-advice/
Because of safety... or because there's nowhere to run it :)
I will say I felt fine in Marmaris in 2002 but that's a holiday resort catering for lots of Brits and Germans.
:)
They could probably do the 1sec test before Rascasse and open it along the main straight.
There's a problem for a woman travelling alone in a lot of Muslim countries though. Westerners often have a bit of a reputation and it can make it quite hard to impress that you really do want to be left alone.
...or on the exit of the tunnel?
Don't go alone, go with people
Buxton just put me straight on that idea.
I need a bit of space though. I nearly went with my parents to Istanbul when I was about 17 but I don't think they'd have been happy letting me go have a wander for an afternoon or whatever. There were still reports of abductions and things then though which I haven't heard for a while. Goodness knows if it still goes on.
hehe.
didn't know that. cheers.
what's with the gratuitous use of children in button's head and shoulders advert? he doesn't have kids... probably.
he has nephews though?
hey all
headping?
ooooh, i might let him off then :)
:D :D
What a glorious afternoon
i still haven't seen the english version of the head and shoulders advert yet.. but from everything that the french one is i don't think i want to.
i wish i could go outside, but i seem to have developed hayfever today :(
Oh no
:/
it was almost funny, but they didn't take it far enough :(
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 22nd April 2011
- An Aside with Joe - This is way above all of our pay grades
- Daily: 21st April 2011
- Daily: 20th April 2011
- The end of qualifying?
have never really suffered with it before :/ the universe seems to be against me going outside this year :/
from what my friends say it doesn't stop them laughing at Jenson tho :(
I like when my flatmate has dinner parties. I swoop in for free food then swoop back out again :D
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/happy-anniversary-to-the-new-and-improved-daily-posts
Afternoon guys :)
Hello Mr Lukeh.
Would you like a Doctor Who thread for tomorrow or are you planning to write one yourself?
Ooh, if you want to write one, that would be fabbo.
Oh and afternoon mrs c, how rude. Where are my manners? Perhaps under the till I was using..
Awesome, will save one on the post dashy thingy as a draft when I'm done later just so you can make sure it's all alright for a live thread :)
Today I even got people talking about the show in work who have never watched it before #hugesuccess
Cool! As ever, I'm worried it's been built up too much but I trust Mr Moffatt.
It looks rather different to most opening episodes but in Moffat we trust :)
perfectly good use of my afternoon: http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/origins-of-the-finger
Hahahaha!!
Millenium prayer for the next Vettel speech.
:D
oh nooooo
I didn't see it mentioned in all my trawling but apologies if it was, in a slight twist on the '100 best F1 drivers ever' that pops up at least once a year, McLaren are doing a top 50 countdown of their drivers. But no current ones so Heikki can't be #1 ;)
They'll be doing it all year so no doubt I'll lose my attention span. Wake me up when they get to Mika :)
somewhere David Coulthard is reading that telling someone 'This is my year'
:D
oh dear i read that as 'David Croft' :D
Hehehe :)
This just came up as a recommended link on youtube. I can see it's not new but I hadn't seen it before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6706Xz6xYPY
ooh, meant to share this yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kav0FEhtLug
i assume it's been commented or dailed already, but was new to me.
Hahahaha what on earth...
"One's life is for sharing"
This one is much better, 'cause it's from a real wedding :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0
ah-ha, that's where the got the idea from then.
Is that Bassano?? :D
my friend suggested that for her wedding and I told her if she even remotely considered it I wasn't going to come.
Unfortunately the guy that sings the song (Chris Brown) likes to beat women, which is why the couple have put up a link to donate to a violence prevention place.
Yeah it's not my cup of tea particularly... She wanted you to dance??
yes. I still haven't worked out if she was kidding :D
Heikki would want you to dance.
im not that daft!
did you see homepage heikki btw?
my favourite kind of homepage. We just have to keep Lotus at the top of the rankings. Although, you could use a Jarno picture next time.
as if ;)
♥
I need an opinion from folks who might actually have one. :)
Amazon has Football Manager 2011 on sale today. I played and LOVED *Championship* Manger years ago. I think the last version I played was 2004 or so. So, in your opinion, how does FM2011 hold up for someone who hasn't touched these games in years?
http://www.amazon.com/Football-Manager-2011-Linux/dp/B00486F0GG
Hello all,
Thank Crunchie it's Friday! I hear it's a good one. My weekend starts now :D
Hey Bassano,
Apparently this is a good Friday. Sometimes they can be mediocre, I guess.
I saw that via twitter, cheesey nonsense but I guess some will find it amusing
I like it. I just wish they would do that. hehe
:lol:
Heavily disguised
The good thing about being home on a weekday is I get to hear John in the Morning on KEXP in Seattle, online streaming.
http://kexp.org/playlist/playlist.aspx
Oh wow! I've just seen that bit, damn cameras
But the absence of the swan dive makes me think it wasn't you.
This is true, and I can throw shapes a damn sight better than that!
Yeah, he's clearly a wannabe Bassano.
I get that a lot ;)
:lol:
I'm thinking that before long there will be Bassano impersonators in Las Vegas :)
I'm waiting for the right price, in the meantime Elton's coming back
Until he plays some awful crap like what's on right now. I guess I'm not a fan of The Black Angels, whoever they are.
Okay, so who wants to buy my camera with your powerful pounds sterling?
http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Compact-Digital-Cameras/26212/COOLPIX-P100.html
What do you think you'll get as a replacement?
$1 AU is now $1.07 US. Spending spree time!
Whatever you have. You told me, but I didn't write it down.
woo hoo! :)
not your camera though, i already have two :D
Well, must save for Korea spending money anyway.
Nikon D40 with standard 18-55mm lens that was.
If buying second hand [which you'll have to] look for shutter count [how many times used] though I've no idea what's considered bad, an unscratched lens. Spare batteries are cheap enough on ebay
Nice for you, but, from my point of view it means that my intended purchase of a Drizabone duster is going to be put off, yet again.
Hi Eric,
Thanks to Janna I now know what a Drizabone is.
#educated
But look into the entry level of Nikon's DSLR range, you might find a decent newer model
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nikon_DSLR_cameras
Hi Kai :)
indeed. theres never enough money!
Thanks, I made a note of is this time.
I was hasty in my decision and my camera has gotten very little use, I just want to get one with the kind of picture I was seeing in my head. Buying used is what I need to do.
ah yes, sadly when its good one way its always bad the other :D
Will do. Thanks.
How have you been? missed you around these parts, or I've been away when you've been here...
I just saw Guille on twitter said it was snowing! wow. We don't even have snow right now, even though it's chilly.
*waves to Kathi who may be here* :)
I've been well. I haven't been around these parts recently. Work has been kicking my butt the last two months or so. Worked 11 hours last night/this morning. The end is in sight though, 7 May is graduation, then things quiet down.
As for the races, they've all been the middle of the night for us, and right in the middle of my work day and week. So I've been enjoying them Monday
Yeah, I couldn't watch the first 2 but stayed up for China 'cause it worked into my schedule. A 2:30am start is interesting, for sure.
But my DVR is my best friend, definitely.
Personally. I haven't even been bothering with recording the SPEED TV feed. The BBC coverage has been posted in the usual (dubious legality) Internet sites fast enough that by the time I'm ready to sit down for it on Monday after work, I have it ready.
Speed seems particularly bad this year. Hobbs just talks over everyone all the time now, doesn't know which drivers are which, and keeps saying 'clag'. It's awful. I need to get things set up. Scott told me what to do, I just have to do it before the next race.
Am off out to join the people who seem to have been in the garden all afternoon. Later peeps
Kai, I'll respond to your email later on, if that's ok
hehe!
There are a few different "paths" you can take too. Feel free to DM me on twitter and we can swap email on that, if you want me to give any help.
I've heard that term a lot on NASCAR coverage, I bet he picked it up from there.
Have fun
Sure, thanks.
Steve Matchett is excellent and is the only glimmer of light there.
Hello, home from fun on the golf course. Lovely and warm out.
Sounds great.
Yes I hit a personal best and then had a pint. Oh you meant the weather... ;)
hehe
It just gets better!
There are certainly different options, sadly I've run out of invites on the download thing I use for non-F1 stuff (which has tons of F1)
I think I've got a direction set up with Eric, but thank you. I need to stop this Speed watching nonsense.
Later all. It's off to bed and more work for Easter weekend when I wake up, for me.
See ya Eric
Take care, see you later.
It's been announced by Robert Kubica that he will soon be leaving his hospital and continuing with his recovery {Original entry}
Yippee! :D
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Happy Anniversary to the new and improved Daily posts
- Daily: 22nd April 2011
- An Aside with Joe - This is way above all of our pay grades
- Daily: 21st April 2011
- Daily: 20th April 2011
Force India appears to think it's racing in China again today. One day I'll understand how their TARDIS works...
Also, one of my friends, @AilishCatherine, has just finished a week of work experience at Force India. She's tweeted a bit about what she's done there (looking through her timeline, she's been in the ultra-secret Brackley windtunnel, made a model front wing and tried to do a CFD piston, among other things).
#points
He's not alone - apparently Force India hasn't worked out which of their drivers is German yet...
Oooh my friend John on the tv :D
It is if you can get a convenient flight and reliable transport in the country (the track is not exactly walking distance, the taxi drivers are of variable quality and the traffic jams can be... ...large). I wanted to go but never got the money to overcome the transport issue.
Oh dear. I won't miss the race if it goes but it's never good when a circuit can't even pay to complete its contracts.
I honestly don't get the problems people on here seem to have with the Speed TV coverage. I watched the BBC coverage of Korea last year and the race coverage was the definition of awful. Pre and Post race coverage is better on the BBC, but as far as race coverage goes I'm Speed all the way.
Sorry jpan, I don't mean to offend, I just really don't like David Hobbs and Bob Varsha, it's just me. I just want something else. I don't know what happened either, because I watched them for years and enjoyed it.
no offense taken.
I think what happened was you came in here and started talking to us ;)
hehe I agree. And I got to hear pieces of BBC coverage and I liked it better. No harm, no foul (and no access, but I'm working on that).
Gotta run, I have a date with a certain gluten free bakery I love!
See you guys later on.
:)
I has been writing about F1 and the Twitters: http://gridwalktalk.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/the-new-social-sport/
Ping - Friday Favourites 22 April 2011
http://toomuchracing.com/2011/04/22/friday-favourites-22-april-2011/
actual conversation with christine on the subject of scaring me with a tiger...
me: "do they have tigers at longleat?"
christine: "i know they have white ones. but i'm not sure about real ones."
you heard here first, white tigers are just big fakers.
Hehehe one time when I was driving at night with my sister in the car
sister: those are big moths
me: they're bats
sister: you don't get those in real life
:D
I have seen orange ones on the programme on BBC2 before if it helps! Also, lions and giraffes and the scariest of all the animals at longleat - Lord Bath.
:D
haha
:) :) :)
You should go to the West Midland safari park. You don't need to worry about the tigers there, it's the monkeys you should be scared off :)
Memories of a coach having monkeys running along the top!
is that the one we went too when i had a hissy fit about schumi returning?
Ohhh, it may have been now you mention it...
*secretly runs off to the archives*
Looks like I got here just in time to restore sanity
Aha!
http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-30th-october-2010/comments#comment-943662
#superdupersearch
Siegfried and Roy would disagree....
:D I know what she meant. Obviously they exist, she just didn't know you got them commonly in this country. I think she's a bit more wary of going anywhere at night now :P
i'll raise you: http://mrschristine.com/2009/08/03/walk-with-the-animals-well-drive-actually/
#withhelpfromchristine
Lions are always asleep. I think they get other animals to do their hunting
:D
OK so she thought you only got them in Transylvania
:)
Hehehe "elsewhere"....
That is what she said though. Alphonso nearly hit a hedge I was laughing that much.
How can a serious championship have some races with different rules? This is becoming farcical
What are you talking about? Monaco?
I'll have you find that Wacky Races took their races very seriously despite the announcer seemingly setting new rules here and there. Perhaps Jean is that announcer
How can a serious championship have some races with different rules? This is becoming farcical
Are we talking about BTCC here? That seems to have different rules every race and it's becoming more like glorified dodgems every year...
I'm assuming Steven is actually referring to Monaco and the DRS rules as Alison suggested
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90914
The link was coming.
They said DRS would be modified through the year, I don't see a problem with it.
No dice.
Ah, OK. So what fairground ride is F1 becoming a giant version of?
My problem is that the FIA should have properly thought through DRS before applying it, instead of sticking it on like an auto-updating software patch.
I can't say I'm too bothered by it either
I gave up on that a long time ago. Even with a Scottish race winner now I still have no inclination to watch it
I saw my first race in a while this evening and while fun, it's becoming a caricature of itself...
i think it's pretty bad for monaco actually. unfit for modern racing?
Well it's oft been said that it's fair because although you may be overtaken when you wouldn't have been by a competitor, in the same situation at a later date you can have the advantage back. If you're not allowed to run it at an FIA whim, obviously you can't have that.
Also I do think it's weird to be allowed to alter regulations once some results have already been declared. It just seems like meddling.
They can't have tech/sporting regs that just don't apply at some events. The one race where drivers really need help to overtake and it is banned. Webber does a lousy job of quali in China but gets to use the DRS someone does the same in Monaco but can't. How is that fair?
:D
Monaco has been unfit for modern racing since 1927,
And I love it and won't hear a word against it. :)
Exactly. It's not like they are short of simulation tools. As usual they have no clue what they are doing so they are making it up a they go. They must have realised the problems with Monaco before now. And Monaco is not alone
Exactly, if I get stuck at the back of the grid at one particular race and I get jammed there because regulations have changed, I'm gonna be mighty peeved about 15 points a competitor got in similar circumstances.
it's worth bearing in mind this time last year there was nonsense about q1 being too manic to allow new teams to take part. and nothing came of that either.
Monaco has been a farce on its own for years. Should have been dropped after they introduced 3 litre engines in 1966. Now it needs special rules.
Because they are totally different races. There is passing at Monaco, the lack of passing is a popular myth.
alonso started last and finished... 6th(?) last year.
What does that have to do with anything?
I think Monaco is alone. No other track has the lack of straights and proximity of barriers.
The FIA never work out a rule change before they make it. They pick an idea out of thin air and then bypass the thought process and go straight to the expensive lunch congratulating themselves on a job well done
People think Monaco is a parade and it isn't if the drivers try hard enough
Singapore has similar qualities, but not as extreme.
Exactly.
This is different. I would bet they will ban the DRS there.
Just because Singapore has barriers doesn't make it similar, IMO. It is far wider, and has straights.
One championship, one set of rules.
Tell that to DC who was stuck behind that Arrows for months despite being three seconds a lap faster
He should've cleared that car easily. He didn't try hard enough.
Yes but how does that impact whether it's fair to alter regulations ad hoc like that? If they can't apply the regulations and still are desperate to go there, they could make it a non-championship race?
That article seems to suggest that it would changed to save drivers from themselves. I'd suggest if someone wants to use DRS to send themselves flying into a wall then they could be left to suit themselves....
Singapore? Valencia?
the earlier safety car helped him out there, he overtook the new teams and maybe the Toro Rosso's those in front had to react after he pitted and switched to primes after a couple of laps.
Unfit for randomly testing stuff that may or may not be helpful to F1. But then nobody has ever seriously proposed Monaco as a F1 testing venue, so that's OK.
Valencia has that long straight after the bridge doesn't it?
Singapore? Valencia?
Canada too.
on some tracks they run soft tyres, others super soft and others hard. those 'rules' are changing race-on-race. why not drs too?
A driver who has won 13 GPs was not trying to overtake? Unlikely
The bit after the bridge isn't that long - if I remember rightly, the bridge is about 1/3 of the straight.
Yet if they'd stuck rigidly to the same rules and there had been a DRS failure, or a crash because of it, guess who would be the first person to shout about how inflexible the FIA are.. They are just being sensible in applying the rules to the right places. They always said 2011 was an experimental year, this isn't unexpected.
There clearly is a place to overtake at the chicane though. You saw Alonso basically take a car every 2 laps at this same point on the track.
on some tracks they run soft tyres, others super soft and others hard. those 'rules' are changing race-on-race. why not drs too?
Because the different compounds are in the regulations and can generally be modified by the teams. Blanket DRS bans are neither.
There are lots of rules to save drivers from themselves. Racing drivers need to be saved from themselves
Yet it happened. DC is massively overrated.
even DC doesn't rate himself :)
Long straight there and also the s/f straight/curve.
Good point :)
Enough for two cars to run side by side for 600m? I really have no map of that track in my head. Despite watching hours and hours of coverage all I know is there is a green building, a bridge, a dockyard and too many corners.
what matters is that you remember the green building :)
This is supposed to be top level motorsport. Can't they experiment elsewhere? Or allow some proper testing to have a true experiment?
Easily.
hehe. there is plenty of space on the Valencia straights.
Yes, due purely to superior strategy (he even had trouble passing the Virgins on-track). Admittedly 2010 was a bad year for Monaco overtaking.
how can you forget meat loaf corner?
I can report it was not snowing today. I did however slip on some ice :( Stupid winter.
Meat loaf?
alia has a circuit map :)
I think that is different. Running tyres more suited to the event is something drivers and teams would choose to do to optimise their performance. Introducing something to make passing easier then not using it on the hardest track to pass on is just wrong. You cannot give Mark Webber the chance to easily come through the field last weekend then for example not give Sebastian Vettel the same advantage this weekend
Two tracks introduced in the modern era with all the safety precautions needed to get on the calendar.
It goes back to the fact that Monaco wouldn't get on the calendar these days, it does because of the history, glitz, glamour etc.
Which would be fine if that scenario wasn't 90% likely to cause a Safety Car/red flag at Monaco. If a driver used DRS and crashed, everyone gets affected whether they were being sensible or silly. More than the occasional bout of it would completely wreck the race.
Another reason why DRS shouldn't have been rushed through.
:D
But they aren't running it... so they aren't experimenting. They've elected not to take that risk.
I find it bemusing that the people not in favour of DRS are trying to get them to run it.
Where do you suggest they put it?
I'm not in favour of DRS because I think it's very unfair. Deciding whimsically not to run it half way through is even more unfair.
Doing something for safety reasons is fine. I have no problem with that. Introducing something then realising that running it at Monaco may not be a good idea is incompetence of an incredible level. It's not like Monaco is anonymous. And it is the 4th race of the season. If it is not safe at some tracks ban it completely.
Both of which would nonetheless cause Safety Cars if DRS was used in a slightly unwise manner pretty much anywhere on the circuit. I don't think this is about safety so much as expediting the running of the race - which is why this is more likely to get through than the "new team segregation" attempt last year.
hey all!! I'm making friends with another F1 photographer you should all follow and love the work of :) (i've mentioned him recently).
http://twitter.com/#!/daniel_kalisz
*happy lou*
Who said it is a sudden decision, just because the announcement is now?
That's fine if your car has a big enough advantage at that part of the track. You can have a car several seconds a lap faster and be ten miles an hour slower there
In 2009 we named all the corners after artists who happen to also be things you can eat. Similarly, all the Abu Dhabi corners were named after artists who happen to be things you can drink. So the calender now has two Singapore Slings...
Exactly
it's not even decided :)
All it says in the article is they are 'consdering it' which I imagine has been the position for months.
hey lou :)
They can run CFD tests easily.
I just think it's mad to start a season without even working out what the rules are first. How can that ever be fair?
who can? the fia doesn't own a supercomputer, do they?
it's the same for everybody.
how is everyone on this lovely evening?
here is a fact for you, i've now had at least one tweet from each f1 photographer i know of on twitter. :)
anyways i'm gonna read back and find out why we're talking about the very awesome green building!
Well f1 2011 isn't out yet so might as well try the next best thing
the point I was making was that Singapore and Valencia are wide enough and have plenty of run off compared to Monaco which has zero.
besides tyres will play havoc in Monaco and we'll forget all about DRS, it'll be the first race using the super-soft.
That kind of sounds familiar.
Most tracks I can get a good impression of after about watching ten laps and I have an outline of most tracks in my head. In the space where I should have an outline of Valencia I have a green building. I have no idea what shape the track is.
if they do ban the device, at least we can see how much the tyres bring to the show.
It's not if I happen to be caught behind at the one race I can't use DRS to rectify the situation.... Everyone else has been making up positions on me all season and the one time I make a mistake, it's not there to save me.
Ooh, red tyres
That doesn't sound like fun. Even Scotland was sunny and warm today
We were bored so we gave names to all the corners. THey were all named after musicians who were named after food or something
Hehehe some of us actually... like.... go to work :D
Imagine the marbles with supersofts.. they are bad at Monaco anyway. That concerns me far more than DRS.
It doesn't matter if you're heading for the armco at Monaco anyways. The crane will have hooked your car up before you've even hit it :D
There isn't a single straight bit of road long enough in Monaco for DRS to have any effect whatsoever. It would be crazy to mandate a zone to use it at that track, it would cause an accident and it would be the FIA's fault.
It goes back to my fundamental rule of sport. All competitors should be subject to the same rules at all times.
I don't think the DRS belongs in F1 but if they put it in the rules then it should be used at every race. If it is not safe at some races don't use it anywhere.
:)
:lol:
That didn't take long. You didn't know who he was a week ago
DRS is only a stop gap though, they are stuck with the current aero regs.
:D They are masters. I went there in 2003 and during the Supercup race there was the inevitible pileup at turn one because half the Supercup drivers can't drive. I'm sure it must be my memory but I swear one of them was dangling in midair before the safety car led them around again.
You think the had this thought out before the season but decided not to tell anyone? If they planned this then it should have been announced. If they were considering it they should have been asking teams and drivers who ran it in testing. This is a typical FIA knee-jerk decision
indycar have different rules for ovals,, don't they?
I just think that's a ridiculous justification. You can't say that it's okay because they only thought of it off the cuff in the first place.
They can get access to them. It's ot like they don't know anyone who has one
Not if you happen to be the driver who has your bad qualifying day at Monaco rather than China
and nascar appear to have two types of car.
https://picasaweb.google.com/toomuchracing/2003MonacoGrandPrix#5122062861973382386
The racing, the sport. Please not the show
they can't afford to pay for it.
3 or 4
so why can't f1 have two types of car? with and without the drs.
Because the FIA generally makes these announcements either at the start of the season or just before/during the weekend in that situation. The actions combined with the FIA's modus operandi makes "sudden decision" the most likely cause of the timing.
I am sure I have seen F1 cars lifted before the safety car arrived
Nascar? You are justifying F1 rules against the standards of Nascar?
it is though? it is helping create opportunities for overtaking, which is what everyone wants. the aero regs are the ultimately to blame, but they couldn't change them for this year and aren't now until at least 2013.
Just change the rear wing, you don't need different cars
Because F1 is supposed to be a serious sport and not a show
Because it's ridiculous? I'm back at motorsport at its highest level. I don't watch anything else and am not particularly interested in their nonsensical rules.
Oh wow, my arms are bright red
They've hired supercomputers before. Also, with the limitations on teams' supercomputer usage, the FIA could easily get the teams to lend them some of the capacity they are not allowed to use "in the interests of the broader sport".
did you have a problem with the F-Duct? it primarily did the same thing in reducing drag on the straights. DRS has taken the idea and used it to create the opportunities for overtaking that simply weren't there before.
Is it what everyone wants though? I wouldn't want overtaking at any cost. Not if it's not fair.
Tbh I very nearly stopped watching F1 altogether after errrm Suzuka? 2009? because it smacked decidedly of unfairness. I'm not interested in a show. It's supposed to be a sport.
They are never going to change the aero reg because no-one has the bottle to do what needs to be done. Balestre had his faults but when ground effect was getting out of control he banned it even though F2 and F3 still had it. No-one now has the bottle to slow F1.
It's not. The rich teams have a huge advantage when it comes to adapting to short-notice regulations. Such behaviour raises costs. The FIA is one of the main causes of pointless expense in F1.
I didn't have a problem with that as any car had the same opportunity to use that leading or following at any circuit whenever they chose.
what was unfair about Suzuka 09? :s
Ground effect wasn't bad, it was misunderstood. I'd be happy with wing size reduction if there was moderate amounts of regulated ground effect because the problem isn't downforce it is drag.
I may have plucked that out of thin air. My memory sucks. I'll have a look....
but for large portions of the season not everyone had it, Renault for example didn't until the Belgium Grand Prix.
Everyone could use the F-duct as they pleased. They did not need to wait for the FIA to say they were close enough to the car in front and the car being passed could use it too.
I am not particularly keen on the F-duct for a number of reasons but it wasn't fake like DRS
Nonono that's not the same at all. That's just being behind because you didn't take full advantage of gaps in technical regulations. You missed the trick, it's up to you....
There are changes afoot for 2013, I think. But I agree whoever thought letting the teams make up the rules was silly.
Because the organisers wanted both road courses and ovals and worked out putting the one type of car on the other sort of track would be stupid. We're not discussing different sorts of cars though, just ones that would be able to run identically on all tracks used in the series were it not for the silly trick bit.
I seem to have lost the Abu Dhabi circuit map, which has the original Singapore Sling :(
However, Valencia and Singapore are here (Singapore is artists named after animals).
after the added it to the car, whereas everyone has DRS from the start.
I know DRS isn't the ideal solution, but it hasn't created overtaking where people have sailed past the guy in front. The only occasions that has happened the driver in front is on old tyres and the one behind has newer ones.
I agree but at the time it was out of control and dangerous. Bear in mind there is a big difference between under body aero which is what I assume you are in favour of and ground effect.
The point I was making was at the time it was crazily dangerous and Balestre banned it even though F2 still had it. He didn't worry that F2 cars may be faster at some tracks. Now you have people who think F1 has to be faster than anything else everywhere and that rules out doing a lot of good
They can easily. They claim it back on the entry fees the following year!
I approve of anything named after the bird and the bee. but crazy frog?
Because there are no circuits where F1 cars need DRS to function.
You could say that about absolutely anything on a car. You seem to be building up a straw man. Nobody's saying they want spec cars or that it's not fair that one car has innovations another doesn't. It's a team sport.
There is an artist called Crazy Frog though thankfully Turn 2 has proven to be less annoying (given the 2010 circuit modifications, it has proven to be just as much of a one-hit wonder, however).
They could run the same car with the system fitted, but disable its function.
If they need advice on doing this, they could talk to the Benetton team members circa 1994.
That was their fault though. The rules allow innovation so people who innovate deserve to benefit from it. THat ha always been the way in F1. Cooper put the engine behind the driver and Jack Brabham won two titles before the rest caught up. Colin Chapman built a monocoque chassis and Jim Clark set a record number of wins in 1963. These things have always happened.
I want what CART had 10 years ago with tunnels in the underbody. Standard dimensions.
It was Suzuka 2009, everything went MAD. All these red flag and mental penalties and everything. Basically pick names out a bag and that's your grid.
ironic that the Crazy Frog sound started off as an internet meme of a Formula 1 car
the penalties were because people broke the rules, they drove flat out through yellow flags. if thats what you are referring to.
:D
The FIA released a statement saying they weren't willing to announce an official grid until the morning.... It's totally ridiculous.
I think what they need is underbody tunnel but the bottom edge of the outside of the sidepod should be 3 inches above the plank. That way there is no way even Adrian Newey can get a seal to the road.
what was unfair about Suzuka 09?
The qualifying session where nearly everyone's position changed according to who misjudged a yellow flag/blocked/changed components first? Silly collisions going unpenalised?
because 4 or 5 drivers had done so, and it came down to who had done it first. F1 stewards always take their time and this was a confusing mess which was always going to take a while, but at the end of the day the dished out the penalties according to the rules.
I'm sure there was more nonsense in the race. I'd need to dig out the digest or something.
As far as I know, the sophomore teams don't have DRS.
Also it was a ridiculous issue where there was a flat penalty of a grid drop for speeding so actually you were rewarded for speeding more. Those committing a marginal offence received the most extreme penalty.
My point is that it would be better to have one car that works at all the circuits, which would mean not having DRS in the first place, or else getting a DRS that can be used at every circuit.
agreed.
I hope you lot know you are keeping me from doing what I am meant to be doing by starting arguments about the DRS
They could link DRS to the steering input, so that it could not be used in any other condition than driving straight. Therefore negating the need to remove it in Monaco.
Don't know if that would be dangerous though, it might have stopped Sutil spinning in Aus Qualifying.
You started it!!!
They could link DRS to the steering input, so that it could not be used in any other condition than driving straight. Therefore negating the need to remove it in Monaco.
Alternatively, they could do what they said they were going to do in the first place and link DRS use to braking!
they speeded they got penalties. it made their races more difficult, I don't see the problem. They could have caused a serious accident.
also, i (heart) nico:
The people in charge have made the sport from one year to the next so much more exciting
i guess the drivers were bored witless in 2010 too.
Me?? How can you say that?
They got wildly varying penalties, once they were all combined. Some got dropped 1 place and others 5!
they do that already, I'm sure i've heard that.
hehehe. it's a great debate. drs isn't perfect, but without it we'd be watching a different sport by now.
they do that already, I'm sure i've heard that.
Alonso's DRS evidently hasn't read that statement.
!!!!!
Pamela Ping http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-23rd-april-2010-2
combined with people going off the track, gearbox change penalties it was always going to because the penalties are handed out in the order they happened.
That is a statement. It is not an invite to an argument
Also some did back off in the only timed lap yet were still penalised leaving them losing XXX positions.
There is something going on with Alonos's DRS...
This is true. Doesn't make it feel any fairer, even if genuine fairness is the reason behind the principle.
There is something going on with Alonos's DRS...
I also wonder how many other DRS failures there have been that nobody's caught yet (either because the viewers were looking elsewhere at the time or the camera didn't catch them - it was only because someone tweeted the BBC that Alonso's DRS failure was ever brought to light).
you think there's more to it than a timing glitch?
it isn't unfair though, they broke the rules and were handed a punishement. the punishments were all the same for the breaking the same rule. it isn't the stewards fault that other people were busy crashing and changing the severity of the penalties.
someone tweeted it way before the bbc heard and checked. a tweet was noted in the live comments a good 30 mins before the bbc said anything.
no. I just think after the issue in Malaysia and now China, at some point something is going to go dramatically wrong.
I expect something to go wrong in either Turkey or Spain. Spain more likely, Fernando hasn't had a good Spanish GP since 2006 :)
Equal doesn't mean fair.
fairer than not being equal though
I don't agree necessarily
Yes. Which makes it even less likely that other DRS failures will have been spotted had they occurred because even tweeting them isn't a guarantee that they'll be checked in a timely fashion.
As an absolute minimum, it means that one of the safety features we were told DRS would have (brake auto-deactivation of device) doesn't work reliably and that the zone isn't enforced properly. That on its own is already much more than a timing glitch.
interesting point.
Oh YEAH, I remember. That same weekend Rosberg was speeding under the SC and received no penalty for it. A total farce.
which turned out not to be his fault but an issue with the ECU if I remember.
True - but another example of the FIA messing up races.
Irrelevant. His pit team can monitor his track position to 20cm or something equally ridiculous. They should have told him to slow down.
his pit crew aren't computers. even if they could react, they couldn't reply the info quick enough fro him to react. if a standard component fails you cannot blame the driver,
Irrelevant. His pit team can monitor his track position to 20cm or something equally ridiculous. They should have told him to slow down.
They didn't know how much to tell him to slow down by to comply with the rules...
It's all just really stupid. Things like this make me not want to watch the sport. That was the point I was trying to make.
when things annoyed me that made me want to stop watching. i stopped watching.
as a fan, the power to switch off, is the only power we actually have.
I tune out and ignore the race... mind you it was easier to do that last year.
I think it's a shame that I feel like this again now because that was a one off before. I guess I radically disagree with the direction things have moved in this season. The fact that everyone else seems to love it, makes it doubly depressing for me.
I'm in a house with 2 other fans and we all watch for different reasons, so I don't really have that option (at least not if I want to maintain domestic civility - I barely got away with walking away from the last bit of Monaco 2008 after the Raikkonen/Sutil collision). Fortunately my bookworminess means I can read through the stupider/duller stuff.
HELLLLOOOOOOOO!!
I don't like DRS or KERS either if it's any help...
:) :)
Steven and I are going to be grumpy and Scottish in the corner :P
And I'll be relaying messages between the corner and the crowd (with protective ear defenders for the noise)
My attitude has always been that I refuse to let the FIA make me grumpy. One day by the law of averages someone with enough brain cells to rub a few together will get in and things will get better.
you will never please everyone. my recipe for awesome f1:
✔ a tyre war
✔ an engine war
✔ mid-race refuelling + mixed strategy
✔ good looking cars
at the moment, we have none of the above, but all/any could come back. in the interim, i'll take this year over last year, but we're only three races in, so maybe the rest of the season will suck.
if it sucks i'll watch something that i do enjoy.
f1 owes me nothing and i owe f1 nothing. i can't change it, but i'll give any changes a go and if they offer something worth watching i'll watch.
I just had to switch back to yesterday to say how cool those ticks are mr c!!!
i stole them from here (bookmarked for future usage): https://twitter.com/#!/hotdogsladies/status/60821160262246400
i kinda agree.. but you missed exciting qualifying sessions.. i can't stand knowing who is going to be on pole for what feels like every single race *ehem* 2010 *ehem*
Hehehe you were just waiting for a chance to get them out. That's far too organised!
✔ singe lap qualifying
i don't think i ever watched.. or payed attention to single lap qualifying but i'll give anything a go over last year *shudders*
i just read it (long story), so i dropped them in. twitter is good for that kinda thing, we need to keep a list.
it was totally unfair because the weather always changed mi way through, but it mean the grid was impossible to predict.
http://sidepodcast.com/post/f1-how-it-should-be
F1 should have ticks like those
i'd forgotten what a mega post that was. lemmie make that the homepage.
♥
You should have other stuff there too, Not just ME!!!! :D
Maybe.
Yep.
Only without the stupid 'qualify with race fuel' thing. I liked when you woke up on Sunday not knowing the strategies, and the quali run didn't lock the teams into the same one. That's why I still like IndyCar strategy, no idea who's doing what until it happens in the race not on some spreadsheet late on Saturday night.
Please.
I'm very happy with this year.
your posts must be timeless.
No brownie points for reading one paragraph
That was okay but a bit boring. At least you got to see everyone's run. No tension whatsoever though.
And I can't see your character thing.
It wasn't the first or the last one :D I did read it all. It's like a conclusion but not at the end....
You're missing out. Best.Tick.Ever.
I think I just got an insight into student thinking.
If it was at the end the lazy students would read it
oh. can you see them in the tweet?
no
booo.
in Chrome it is a white box in FF it is a box with numbers in
How odd.
Better than the thinking of a lot of people I've had the misfortune to meet (who pretend to read stuff they've barely glanced at at best). Sometimes the "top-and-tail" strategy has even been known to work.
Not as well as reading the whole article, of course ;)
Opera can see the ticks :)
It works in Chrome for me
I read like that a lot tbh. I'm quite sloppy. Most of my work documents have nothing worth saying in them anyways. Why waste my eyesight looking at them?
I've seen a lot of occasions where reading a document would have saved a lot of trouble.
I'll step back in time and say 'hello' again
Dare I ask or shall we move on? :)