Well, well, well. You wait ages for a good controversy and then bang, is there anything that Monaco can not do? And that race had everything, overtaking, massive shunts and people falling in the water. As usual, I've updated my New Teams Championship (its getting close), Leigh has his massively indepth review. At the time of writing Lukeh hasn't done his review, but I'm sure it will be up soon. Onto the bulletpoints:
- Everyone's favourite Franck Montagny was in action yesterday and achieved a brilliant result (I'd just like to point out now not as brilliant as Craig Dolby for Spurs...). As you could probably expect, Mrs C has blogged all about the race in Assen.
- It was the return of Giggles Radio yesterday! And the brilliant Alex Andronov had his 'O' themed show. Some surprise selections, but I'm sure you will enjoy the show anyways.
- I'm running out of things to say so I'll just do a bit of self-promotion. If you haven't already noticed, I've refreshed the Northern Waffler up a bit. And for the first time in a little while, I've written a new post on Triple League Racing. This time I'm discussing the applications for the new teams for the 2011 F1 season (or in reality, the two lead ones)
So that is all I have got for this week, my exam period starts properly today with 4 exams this week. Brilliant. Struggling for ideas... you bet.
Have a nice Monday
And a hello to a new week.
hehe, from the homepage, this time last year:
The teams have seems so chirpy before this saga, and now with this budgie cap, they're just being stopped from spreading their wings of creativity.
http://sidepodcast.com/2009/05/15/f1-on-the-cheap/
nice daily rg, have just downloaded gp+
That was never a year ago!
shockingly it was!
Mad. True brilliance though.
mike doodson, gp+
Indeed, so comprehensive is the Beeb’s F1 coverage that it might surprise you to know just how many supposedly hands-on British pressmen have been relying on it for their coverage of this year’s first four GPs. It doesn’t stop them from writing authoritative missives about the scene, of course. It’s just that they forget to put in a dateline.
no names mentioned, who's he getting at?
I forgot about the budgie cap
i dont know but it seems theirs a real hatred for this type of person in the paddock
No idea
true, same comment from adam cooper earlier in the week wasn't it?
must have missed that?
http://twitter.com/steveslaterF1/status/13977239898
http://twitter.com/adamcooperf1/status/13979844876
ouch! was that directed at him do ya reckon?
i know i wasn't paying attention on saturday, but blimey:
Button’s efforts were not helped when he discovered that he had a TV remote control in the cockpit with him, and solved the problem by lobbing the device out at Rascasse (above), rather than losing time in the pits.
awful weekend for that side of the garage!
Would he mean Fleet Street rather than specialist with the use of 'pressmen'?
what's worrying is the pic shows the batteries had fallen out before he threw it away. that could mess with your brake pedal.
Someone really wasn't paying attention in that pit this week
could well be. did you see the poster from williams about eason?
lucky that didn't fall behind the brake pedal. lucky we have Ted to tell us these things :)
Steve Slater has always been full of nonsense. His coverage of F1 here in Singapore offers endless proof.
Hello everyone.
I saw a poster but I can't remember what it said
Hi
they are determined to kill him/ annoy him... and me
#nothere
#wasjustcheckingdaily
#goingtosleepnow
garside, not eason sorry: http://twitpic.com/1npouk
:)
Is he actually at the races though? or does he do it from a studio?
hearts ted. joe has the picture of it being thrown away though.
And so it begins.....
http://twitter.com/Twiger/statuses/14100499893
At a studio. With Alex Young. :(
Oh I didn't understand it, thought it was something to do with getting home
which explains the tweet then!
oh my
ahh lou, you've seen the photographers lying on the floor at the swimming pool right?
Hi Marilene.
Journeyer has frequently told us about Mr Slater
She was watching them live on the BBC forum.
if you mean the Red Bull swimming pool
yes... One day I shall be one... Maybe
#sleepisoverrated
She was quite happy to get her camera wet for the right shot
ah, no. the monaco pool. people with cameras lying flat on their bellies, snapping cars a foot or two away.
yep I'm with you, the crazy people.. Must be awesome though!!!!
have grabbed it for you: http://twitpic.com/1ogw2b
Sleep is awesome. I don't know how (it may be related to having had proper exercise yesterday then some wine), slept for a very long time and now I'm wide awake.
Sleep is amazing. I think people have too much though....
I do at weekends. I don't have enough on weekdays.
ooohhh my!!! That I have not see before!!!! Woah!!!!! That.is.awesome... I love monaco!!
What?
gp+ also has a brilliant pic of an upsidedown webber about to get wet. i've not seen it anywhere else, it's an amazing shot.
Imagine that had been the barrier Rubens hit
Not here they don't
it is a bit mental, i will grant you.
is he mid air doing his flip? I've seen that on Sutton website I think...
can you see his eye?
*eyes
does anyone remember the horrible Monaco crash jb had coming out of the tunnel one year? There was a photog sitting on the floor I believe who very nearly got killed. Scary stuff... Worth it for the shot though...
i can't remember... It was a side shot..
PING: http://marileneriddle.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/the-1st-ever-w2d-awards/
You'll have to scroll down a little for the F1 section though.
and thats what makes you a photographer at heart and not a sensible human :P
yeah, i know the one. that's not it, this is much more awesomeness as he's looking down the lens, but inverted.
mental but as long as you keep alert and look outside of where you are shooting too you should be okay. Just make sure you can get up/ roll out of the way :) fun times :)
hehe :D there are worse ways to be injured/ killed though...
yeah but im not sure lukeh/fia would be happy if you got killed by an f1 car!
oooo! Okay well I should be setting up my own pay pal account very soon. Gp+ might be my first purchase
this weeks is especially good on the picture front. but now i must sleep.
night mr c
And there is top notch medical care and a helicopter on standby so if you are going to get mollicated by a car then F1 is the place to do it
Good night Mr. C
Good night
night
exactly, it will be fine :)
Mr c gets me all excited about photography then leaves hehe night mr c.
That may have made my evening.. I must also sleep now though night (again) xx
I'd be shocked if the marshals weren't so quick with the crane, they didn't have the car picked up before it even hit you!
Night Lou. Do really sleep this time ;)
Good night
:D
night lou
What happened to the open Stewarding process? Wheres the explanation of decisions etc. I'm watching the Forum and everyone says Schumacher should keep the position, so I want to know why Damon disagrees
I think they might reveal more once the appeal gets going. For now I think everyone is either tired from partying or just plain tired. :P
I do hope so, I think that the argument could have been made either way, but I want to know why the decision was made down on one side rather than the other.
Second wind! I feel so awake!
Wooooooo!!
have you slept? crazy Amy! :)
I slept from 5.30 til 8. Will nap after work I think too before dinner at 7.15
if you go somewhere with free wifi, get pamela to run skype on her iphone so Paul and I can join in. Can you run skype on yours?
Doubt there is free wi fi at the local pub but i have a skype app on my phone
Seb is going to beat Mark some times, and Mark is going to beat Seb some times. It is a pretty even battle - that is what makes it so exciting, and what makes Mark Webber fans so happy - the two drivers are close, not poles apart as many continue to suggest.
I made it through the day! Now I am in bed :)
Phew
And that's the interesting bit. Many of us expected this year that:
1. Michael would soundly beat Nico
2. Lewis would soundly beat Jenson
3. Seb would soundly beat Mark
None of that has happened. It's pretty surprising.
:D Hey Amy.
alarm is set for an hour and a half though, I doubt I'll actually sleep before then.
Hello! Who wants to pick what I have for dinner tonight?
http://www.thecastlehotel.com.au/menu/bistro.html
It's $15 night so the prices don't matter!
Oooh! Oooh! The Barramundi Fillet looks good.
(Barramundi! Wasn't that the name of a Survivor tribe when they did Season 2 in the Outback?)
But wait! I saw the meat bits! I like:
Chicken Parma - Grilled Chicken Schnitzl topped with Honey Smoked Ham, Rich Napoli Sauce and Mozzarella with Chips and Salad
I never ever get parma because every single pub does them so I like to get something different. Pamela often gets parma so your choice may not go unwasted :D
and that is because every single place that serves food in Melbourne seems to have Chicken Parma on menu :-)
it's such a popular dish here that they don't even bother calling it by its full name!
:D How about:
Veal Escalopes wrapped in Bacon with Pecorino Cheese Sage, Sliced Potatoes, Seasonal Greens and creamy Mushroom Sauce
ooh good choice, I got that last time. And it was amaaaaazing.
woohoo! :D take pictures!
heheh I won't get it again, there is at least 9 things on that menu I want to try. I think I might start going back more often :D
it has a good mix of cuisines - a bit of fusion going on too.
how about:
Indonesian Style Chicken Thigh Fillet served on Steamed Rice, Green Beans with Sweet Chilli, Tomato Jam
thats not on my list! I should not have asked for help if I am not accepting it :D
that's right. :P
Morning :)
not sure if anyone has already commented on this but congrats to whoever is doing the graphics for the BBC.
I noticed that the Mercedes have the new airbox and event he Virgins are different, one having the sharkfin while the other does not.
That's attention to detail over and above the call of duty.
Well done.
I must say the Monaco issue of GP+ mag is one the best ever. at the same time the latest post on Joe's web seems to be a bit of overreaction ... http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/time-for-thought/
By graphics I mean the cars on the virtual grid and the virtual parade lap
Morning guys
Morning guys,
Managed to get back from the wedding just in time to watch Monaco at my friend's house. We all really enjoyed the race and I will be blogging it within the next few days ;)
Yeah, I left a few comments. Disgusting reading some of the attacks on there!
How were the comments on here yesterday BTW?
well, perhaps he is not used to it. but as I know he moderates all the comments. so the easy way is simply to trash all those attacking ones and forget about them ... moaning about people not being nice only encourages them to become even less nice
In your experience?
yes
I will wait and see after I vouch my opinion on mine what will happen. I haven't moderated a non-spam comment yet...
Seems that James Allen got a lot of comments about it too...
I do it quite often but mostly just to edit some not so family friendly language :-) but I had to ban few IP addresses after some seriously nasty comments (connected to my opinions on certain people involved in certain Asian based TV coverage of F1)
Morning.
Perfectly fine, no trouble at all that I saw.
Excellent. Well done to you all! :)
Morning lovely people.
Morning. Just about time for lunch here in DK :)
Really? Wow. That's pretty cool stuff! :)
The thing is, there's a lot of good comments out there, but Joe doesn't have time to moderate. And it's hard to be patient when you see so many of the hating comments.
good morning to you lovely Christine! After reading about the Joe problems, I must say that I am so grateful for all of your hard work over the years to create and maintain such a lovely community
morning
Seconded. :)
*group hug*
eeeeeeeeeek our lecturer was very very pleased with that website me and my team have been coding to hand in today...
What grade will Mr C get for his help? :)
a*!
i know i wasn't paying attention on saturday, but blimey:
Button’s efforts were not helped when he discovered that he had a TV remote control in the cockpit with him, and solved the problem by lobbing the device out at Rascasse (above), rather than losing time in the pits.
awful weekend for that side of the garage! {Comment #15}
Did they mistake the #1 car for a cupboard?
Squared! Sorry I missed out yesterday, but it was a bonus just to get back in time for the race (even if it was in a house full of screaming kids)!
What happened to the open Stewarding process? Wheres the explanation of decisions etc. I'm watching the Forum and everyone says Schumacher should keep the position, so I want to know why Damon disagrees {Comment #77}
The stewards have given an explanation (PDF), albeit a short one. Then again, the way the regulations are written, Article 40.13 leaves no scope for dispute. The reason half the viewers don't realise this is because Article 40.7 reads as if it should cover all scenarios but doesn't.
We're still waiting the Australian GP 2009 full stewards' report, so I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for yesterday's. The technical report is also late, which is annoying because I want to update my engine and gearbox records.
That's true, and the fact green flags were waving didn't help.
I don't see why the rule is different anyway.
at the same time the latest post on Joe's web seems to be a bit of overreaction ... http://joesawa.../17/time-for-thought/ {Comment #107}
I think this has been coming for a few months now. I've noticed Joe get increasingly irritated at the more boorish element of the commentership. It's sad to see the impending closure of comments at his blog but I think it may be for the best for the long-term viability of his blog.
But unless it states that it doesn't cover all scenarios, doesn't it cover all scenarios by default?
Even Andrew Benson is copping a load of flak (mostly about Alonso): http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2010/05/alonso_overreaching_in_reargua.html
It's getting worse, and it's all over the place now!
It's a universal thing, I think, not just in F1. I'm tempted to say that it's a general characteristic of social media. No matter the subject, there will always be haters.
That's true, and the fact green flags were waving didn't help.
I don't see why the rule is different anyway. {Comment #135}
The green flags are effectively mandated by Article 40.13 (though they weren't used in the instances in 2009 where the relevant article was triggered), which is even less helpful (they need an intermediate flag between yellow and green to properly express the 40.13 situation and it doesn't exist).
I agree that the differential rule is a bit silly - personally I'd start the racing at the start/finish line in all cases, not just the final lap, simply because the way the timing systems work make it easy-peasy for viewers and stewards alike to see if the rule is kept.
It's stifling discussion. Really, I mean imagine a real life discussion with comments like that. There would be fighting in the streets!
I posted this on Joe's blog, doubt it will ever get published so here goes:
Ironically the issue here has little to do with Schumacher and more to do with the rules and their interpretations. I am no fan of Schumacher, but I can see what he tried to do here and in a way it was very clever. Yet again F1 implements a rule which is ambiguous and asinine, probably just to add some controversy so we keep talking about the race long after it finishes.
I do wish the FIA would do things in a simpler way – why bother bringing the safety car in like they did and cause all of this confusion when they could just have finished it under a yellow flag? If they forbid overtaking, it’s crazy to drop a green flag like that.
To be fair, I think Benson may have gone a touch too far to say that Alonso is better than Schumacher was (even if it's from some anonymous guy in Ferrari). The Ferrari Alonso joined is waaay better than the Ferrari Schumacher joined. And that is thanks to Schumacher and the people he brought in.
Photo ops. Follow the money.
Usually, these people act very differently online and offline. Or they could just be patently anti-social.
But unless it states that it doesn't cover all scenarios, doesn't it cover all scenarios by default? {Comment #137}
The regulations are designed to be read together, so a regulation only covers those scenarios where a more specific regulation doesn't counteract them. Better signposting would resolve this - for example, the FIA could have written, "Article 40.7: Except under Article 40.13 below..." and it would have saved much argumentation and confusion. It may even have saved the incident from happening in the first place because I believe Ross was as confused about the whole thing as the rest of us initially were!
And that's the thing: usually, they do signposting. I read the article on penalties, and they clearly indicated which applied when.
So why didn't that happen here?
I've not followed comments over the weekend so maybe this is a daft suggestion, but is there no way they could have recognised the move as an honest mistake and just reverse the positions back?
Alia, since you're here, if Mercedes appeal the decision, what can happen? Also, if Mercedes can get the decision overturned, would that effectively nullify the penalty? It's technically unappealable, but if the underlying decision is nullified, isn't the penalty nullified too?
Rules say no, according to those in the know. They have to use the available punishments (i.e. drive-through (or +20s), stop-go (or +30s), or exclusion).
I will wait and see after I vouch my opinion on mine what will happen. I haven't moderated a non-spam comment yet... {Comment #116}
I feel lucky. The only times I've had commenters say nasty things to me on my blog, they've responded well to the counter-commenting technique (admittedly I tend to counter-attack their argument rather than their general approach, but still...) It's just a pity spammers don't stop spamming on request because that's my other big problem, apart from struggling to write content in the first place.
Ridiculous. Rosberg had an easy time of it when everyone accepted he'd broken the rules speeding under the SC
Wasn't that Barrichello? No penalty was applied then, right?
I didn't mean today. I think some rubbish about Rosberg having low fuel so he was speeding. Everyone accepted he'd broken the rules but no penalty was imposed as they accepted it was just an accidental breech even though he gained positions through it.
I've not followed comments over the weekend so maybe this is a daft suggestion, but is there no way they could have recognised the move as an honest mistake and just reverse the positions back? {Comment #148}
No. Article 16 of the Sporting Regulations specifies what can be done about an incident and swapping positions back is not included. If the application of the rule had been messed up the incident could simply have been ignored (the precedent being Jarno Trulli's exclusion from the 2001 US GP being rescinded due to one of the supposed signatories being on a plane home at the time the penalty was issued).
Someone at F1 Fanatic suggested an alternative though - drop Michael Schumacher any number of grid positions and make "any number" one (i.e. the number of positions gained through the mistake).
Any number of grid positions in the final result, you mean?
I'd go the other way though. One of the best chances for an overtake is on a restart but the nature of most circuits is that the start line is so far along the main straight, it is too late to make a manouvre afterwards, and cars even have to back off to avoid passing. That's counter-intuitive, I'm in favour of rules that encourage racing and the SC1 line (restart line) does that, they can pass on the front straight in front of the crowds..
I didn't mean today, either. I meant Australia 2009 (with Ross screaming on the radio, "Slow down, Rubens, slow down!")
But I don't remember this incident with Rosberg, to be honest.
i strongly disagree. we had this discussion yesterday, but even if you delete the nasty ones you still have to read them before deciding to delete them.
if the choice is joe blogging without comments, or no joe blogging, i say drop the comments. either that or charge people to read the blog and then you'll have the details of the nasty people.
I am home, I had the chicken burger :D
Suzuka 09
I remember being very angry he wasn't penalised at the time. If anything could be dangerous, speeding past an accident has to be it.... Point being, surely the marshals can do more or less whatever they like....
Alia, since you're here, if Mercedes appeal the decision, what can happen? Also, if Mercedes can get the decision overturned, would that effectively nullify the penalty? It's technically unappealable, but if the underlying decision is nullified, isn't the penalty nullified too? {Comment #149}
If Mercedes appeal the decision, the following are possible:
1) Most likely, the appeal ruled inadmissable due to no differentiation between process and result being made in any element of FIA documentation. Case over in an hour flat, maybe less. Penalty stays as is and cost of case billed to Mercedes. However, an increase of penalty is unlikely due to this being an untested part of FIA appeals policy.
2) Mercedes could win on the basis of Article 40.7 implying it covers all scenarios without actually doing so. This would probably take all day. Original positions restored, penalty 100% nullified, bill for case sent to the FIA, Todt has egg on face and summons WMSC and equivalent groups in other series for an emergency regulation re-write (the implications on all forms of motorsport could be significant and some discussion would be needed to figure out exactly what wording should be used to convey the new realities).
3) Least likely in my view, Mercedes' appeal is ruled admissible but fails because Article 40.13 brooks no argument. Penalty sticks and possibly increased (though given that there was genuine confusion, any increase will be small), fee for case sent to Mercedes and Todt summons WMSC and equivalent groups in other series for emergency regulation re-write.
problem was, that was a mclaren fail, they made the flawed ECU.
Any number of grid positions in the final result, you mean? {Comment #156}
No, any number of grid positions in next qualifying session. You can't drop a car a given number of grid positions in the race, but qualifying is another matter entirely.
I wondered that too. To me, a fair punishment is to say "Well, driver A should not have overtaken driver B and therefore the order should be reversed".
It's not fair that 25 seconds were added because the field was bunched up under a safety car. He's penalised as if the race was running.
Ooh, Mr C, I sent you quite important email. Just in case it decides not to show up until 3pm again.
I proved he gained an advantage. It was as translucent as the male reproductive organs on a canine. Yet the FIA chose not to penalise him as it would have given Brawn the WCC...
Exactly, you don't have to take a drive through until after the SC goes in.
Rosberg had an easy time of it when everyone accepted he'd broken the rules speeding under the SC {Comment #152}
That was because he had no way of knowing that he'd broken the rules until it was too late. Perhaps Williams should have had a penalty but it would have been unfair to give Nico one... ...and Article 16 includes no provision that penalises only the team for such an incident. If there'd been a clause in the Technical Regulations forbidding overrides of ECU messages, it would have been another matter, but at the time no such clause existed. This has since been fixed.
But that leaves Alonso down on points.
You are right, but the problem is that the FIA have not been so discretionary in the past...
Wasn't that Barrichello? No penalty was applied then, right? {Comment #153}
While the Rosberg incident happened in Japan last year, I can confirm that Barrichello has somehow managed to get his steering wheel in the way of both Hispania cars yesterday without penalty. I'm not even sure that he had to see the stewards over the matter.
The idea that the team didn't know what speed he was doing is ridiculous though, he's got GPS in his car, the team know where he is to within half a car length....
Indeed. He was six seconds faster on one lap, and his pitstop ended up being slightly less than six seconds slower than Heidfeld, so he 'jumped' him.
http://f1numbers.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/japanese-grand-prix-did-rosberg-gain-an-unfair-advantage/
Exactly, you don't have to take a drive through until after the SC goes in. {Comment #168}
That rule was instituted to stop people from taking advantage of the Safety Car to do the penalty and simply rejoin the back of the queue (depending on where you were when the SC came out). It wasn't put in to stop people from losing out unnecessarily.
benson appears to have stolen that whole article from the italian press: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/05/reaction-to-alonsos-howler-in-monaco/
I think he did see them, I saw a picture either in the forum or on Twitter from Claire
But that leaves Alonso down on points. {Comment #170}
It does, but that's the regulations. There's a good argument for putting in a provision for exchanging positions for scenarios like these, but until that provision exists the stewards can't use it.
Interesting you can say an hour flat, when Lewis' case took all day to achieve the same result. Or half a day at least.
When were the 2010 rules released? Given Todt came in pretty late, I don't think this one can be blamed on him as much...
You are right, but the problem is that the FIA have not been so discretionary in the past... {Comment #171}
Could you please remind me? I think I must have forgotten (blame an officialdom-induced headache)...
Oh THAT! Yeah, I remember that now.
When were the 2010 rules released? Given Todt came in pretty late, I don't think this one can be blamed on him as much... {Comment #180}
The latest version came out on 11 February this year. He shouldn't get the blame for this situation (the regulations in question pre-date his arrival in office and until yesterday nobody realised this problem could happen), but he would have to clean up the ensuing mess because he is the only one with the necessary authority to co-ordinate the rewrites across all the FIA series. This policy could potentially open up new appeal avenues for everyone, not just F1.
That's true. Not all series would be affected though. Have you ever seen a WRC Safety Car? :D
Things like the team releasing a driver in an unsafe manner after a pitstop - you could argue that the driver may not see the other car and the team should have looked out for the oncoming car better.
It may be a bad example, but there have been cases where it's the team that should have been punished but not the driver, or the other way around...
If you asked him that he would respond by saying he is justified to do so because the BBC don't have enough resources...
:)
:)
My favourite comment of his is: "We don't make this stuff up, you know. This information is well sourced."
...From the gossip column no doubt!
Hello everyone. Schumi causing raging debate as usual?
I found a comment by one 'delirious' that really ought to be shared: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2010/may/17/michael-schumacher-safety-car-fernando-alonso?showallcomments=true#CommentKey:3bfce435-e41d-4d2c-a048-4e3e58563fd5
HAHAHA! Why didn't I think of that first! Brilliant, brilliant stuff. :)
That said, when even people who normally criticize Michael are on his side this time, you know something's gone wrong.
Afternoon All,
I dont know if anyone is interested, but Maurice Hamilton's Blog/race review is up on the Yas marina circuit page: http://www.facebook.com/yasmarinacircuit
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA!!!! Great find!
I have a question about Alonso.
What lap did he pit on? Because if the safety car came out on the first lap, then surely if he pitted after the first lap that he didn't do a full racing lap on the option tyres?
He pitted on the 2nd lap. Only after the team double checked that the SC was really coming on. I don't think he will be penalized since he was probably far back enough to join the SC after he completed 1 full lap.
i (hearts) ant:
5LiveF1: Making decent progress through France, Ant is now at the wheel after trying to take pictures of the wind...?
5LiveF1: after much thought Ant has concluded that cars are much slower than planes
When did the SC come out? Lap 2?
I laughed at Oh hang on @ClubForce are in the car! How did they get in here???
He pitted at the end of lap one IIRC, but I don't think there is a rule saying you have to complete a racing lap
So because he did a lap on the option tyres he's good ... no matter how the lap was run... Just wondered on that one, because it was a very smart move by Ferrari...
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/05/17/a-positive-week-all-round-on-christines-rankings/
I think this move was similar to the crash-gate one in that Alonso pitting early gets rid of the unwanted pit stop. Hopefully Nico H. is not nearly as idiotic as Nelson P. ;)
YAY :D
hi everyone,
what goes on?
From Andrew Benson's BBC blog.
Every single one of the other team principals? Looks like Schumi is hated = fact.
Hi Leigh. Controversy is going on, as is usual whenever one M. Schumacher is involved.
Thankfully I left my look of surprise at the door today
If only there was a German word for taking enjoyment out of someone else's misfortune ;)
Question for the tech heads:
How do I record a conversation on Skype? It's for an interview...
i think moral rob might get a shout out on 6 music this week:
@lisamccormick: Lauren Laverne's show on Wednesday... gotta sing the praises of Teesside. Guess who I've chosen as my local hero?! haha!!
http://twitter.com/lisamccormick/status/14158833458
Yes. IndyCar has the rule about running a green flag lap but F1 doesn't..
My mistake. Sorry.
I think he did see them, I saw a picture either in the forum or on Twitter from Claire {Comment #177}
Thank you for correcting me.
we take a line out cable and plug it into a mixing desk
Too bad then EJ isn't a current team manager. ;) I find it surprising, then, that DC AND Martin both thought it was allowed.
presumably after sunday's outburst from coulthard stating that he'll never forgive and forget, we can strike him off of the future stewards list?
Interesting you can say an hour flat, when Lewis' case took all day to achieve the same result. Or half a day at least. {Comment #179}
That was back in the Mosley era with McLaren as the opposing party and Ferrari as their primary rival for the title. Max had to fit in a massive whinge against McLaren for having the temerity to make the slightest objection to the munificence of the Federation's procedures and for defending themselves against an action that may reasonably have been perceived as pro-Ferrari.
Jean is much more efficient and will probably concentrate on the facts of the case. Of which there are not many that need to be considered.
:D
Oooh. I am yet to see the forum (we switched over to the cricket)...
Oh, I'm still waiting for the day Michael Schumacher retires from active driving and is then appointed F1 Commissioner. I wonder how they'd react to that. ;)
That's true. Not all series would be affected though. Have you ever seen a WRC Safety Car? :D {Comment #184}
The Safety Car rules are the easy bit to re-write. If Mercedes' appeal works, then that's a new avenue of protest that needs to be codified - and every single series the FIA governs will need an appropriate codification that is both reasonably consistent with other FIA implementations and adapted correctly to the needs of the individual series. It's the appeals procedure that'll need the most re-writing.
I was checking my blog stats when I noticed this: http://twitpic.com/1olmbd
I didn't write anything of the sorts though, I swear. :P
who they heck was searching for that??
Disgruntled rival fans?
Things like the team releasing a driver in an unsafe manner after a pitstop - you could argue that the driver may not see the other car and the team should have looked out for the oncoming car better.
It may be a bad example, but there have been cases where it's the team that should have been punished but not the driver, or the other way around... {Comment #185}
That's because unsafe releases (and about 90% of the other things for which the FIA issues penalties in F1) are subject to the Sporting Regulations, not the Technical Regulations. Only in the case of technical regulations breaches is Article 16 of the Sporting Regulations ignored. It may not make sense, but that's the FIA for you.
cheers - thought there might be a more direct internal recording procedure. ah well....
Or, fan, singular. How the heck can you NOT like Mark Webber, though? :)
I didn't write anything of the sorts though, I swear. :P
who they heck was searching for that?? {Comment #221}
If you had "mark", "webber" and "cheating" in the same blog entry (summary of the race, perhaps?), then that would be sufficient for a search engine to reveal your blog when a search was done on those terms. This strikes me as an example of the system not working properly.
My guess is whoever was searching for that wants someone other than Mark to win either the race or the championship. A bit like when Coulthard was stuck behind Bernoldi in 2001 and was attempting to think up ways of getting disqualified. Apparently the best he could come up with was a dodgy haircut and really bad dress sense...
I have a question about Alonso.
What lap did he pit on? Because if the safety car came out on the first lap, then surely if he pitted after the first lap that he didn't do a full racing lap on the option tyres? {Comment #194}
He pitted on lap 2 (which was the first opportunity he had). It doesn't say in the regulations that one must do a whole lap (racing or otherwise) on a compound, only that both compounds must be used in the race. It was a clever move on Fernando's part. In theory you could do one metre on a compound and then swap to the other, but then the driver would effectively have to bring the set of wheels with them and do their own tyre change to stay in the regulations...
I did post on the race. But the cheating was attributed to someone else *coughschumicough* ;)
Please let that not be a Seb V. fan? I have lots of friends over at his official forum and they seem like a nice lot.
i (hearts) ant:
I laughed at Oh hang on @ClubForce are in the car! How did they get in here??? {Comment #196}
Me too :D
rubens made a lasting impression on monaco: http://twitpic.com/1okkx6
I'd love to see that.
presumably after sunday's outburst from coulthard stating that he'll never forgive and forget, we can strike him off of the future stewards list? {Comment #216}
The fact he's still connected to Red Bull is probably a bigger factor - there's a specific rule against people who have been connected to a team in the previous 24 months joining any panel or committee of FIA officials relating to a series in which that team competes.
Two years is considered long enough for even people who never forget to forget stuff.
i don't think 20 years will be enough.
Oh, I'm still waiting for the day Michael Schumacher retires from active driving and is then appointed F1 Commissioner. I wonder how they'd react to that. ;) {Comment #220}
Very badly, since it would be in breach of the impartiality regulations until at least 2013...
I did post on the race. But the cheating was attributed to someone else *coughschumicough* ;) {Comment #230}
I imagine so. However, search engines' semantic processing algorithms are so rubbish at the moment that I don't think any of the major ones even try to use them yet.
2013? Awww. But it'll happen nonetheless. :)
Corrected. ;)
:)
By then, Mick Schumacher might be racing, for all we know. :P
Please let that not be a Seb V. fan? I have lots of friends over at his official forum and they seem like a nice lot. {Comment #230}
I think there are 8 contenders for the title and would thus be reluctant to come to hasty conclusions. Even then, the "8 contenders" assumes that the searcher is realistic and the searcher may not have been...
rubens made a lasting impression on monaco: http://twitpic.com/1okkx6 {Comment #232}
Ouch!
i don't think 20 years will be enough. {Comment #235}
For DC, you may be right ;)
Very badly, since it would be in breach of the impartiality regulations until at least 2030 ...
Corrected. ;) {Comment #239}
I was referring to when the regulations say Michael could theoretically do the job impartially, not to when he could actually do the job that way ;)
By then, Mick Schumacher might be racing, for all we know {Comment #241}
Provided that Michael is not proven to have a personal link with any F1 team at that point (as opposed to a link via Mick), he'd still be allowed to be an official. Conflicts of interest are handled somewhat simplistically in the FIA due to motorsport being very tight-knit...
And that was kind of my point here ;)
With the Todts being a good example...
Hmmm. I'd say there's a decent, if less-than-likely, chance. Emmo will probably steward first before he does...
Afternoon all,
Today I discovered what VLN is after it being talked about all weekend on Radio Le Mans...
It stands for;
Veranstaltergemeinschaft Langstreckenpokal Nürburgring
Which explains why they shortern it....
How are we all?
Afternoon Jon.
I thought it was Langstreckenmeistershaft but that must be something else because it doesn't fit VLN..
Go on then, what does it mean, no online translation allowed :)
ummmm....
*runs*
Wiki told me, so it's not out of the question that it's wrong ;)
no, alonso and piquet jnr are friends. he gave piquet a helmet.
http://www.vln.de/index.gb.php
We're both right. It seems VLN is the sanctioning body and the long word I wrote is the name of the championship. I'm impressed that it has a site in English.
Langstreckenmeistershaft means Long Distance Championship, I have no idea what VLN means. Apart from the N. :)
on the site the M word means championship, so its called "long distance championship Nürburgring"
inventive
So what is the V? L is Long Distance (or Endurance it would seem), M is Championship (they are together in the browser header but apart in the page header, German is confusing)
air travel is changing:
Funny. Five minutes ago @tripit reported my flight is delayed. Crew walked by me saying they should tell everyone because we know anyway.
i don't understand what benefit there is from pretending a flight isn't delayed? it's not like passengers will never find out.
http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/status/14106078154
"community organiser"
http://translate.google.co.uk/?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hl=en&tab=wT#de|en|Veranstaltergemeinschaft
German = Confusing
Community Organiser Long Distance Nurburgring Long Distance Championship
catchy
I took it for GCSE. Ironically I got a D, for Deutschland.
Maybe that should be "coincidentally" else that's probably more a Morrisette irony.
COLDNLDC
And now I understand why they call it VLN
Was that before or after piquet jnr got sick of being no. 2?
just before the whole thing blew up, i think.
Then that doesn't exempt Alonso from being targeted. Although now I am starting to think that your beloved Renault should be more worried.
i don't see why not? piquet said alonso had nothing to do with anything that happened, didn't he?
i'd be more worried for the teams flav and pat join.
:D
I feel really bad for Nico R. I think he pushes himself too hard: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/more-sports/racing/Rosberg-ashamed-of-poor-showing/articleshow/5935190.cms
http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=48449
Anything else thinks that Mercedes really had a chance for a podium yesterday?
If they'd run as well in Q3 as Rosberg had in Q2 they could have had a very good shot at it
sounds like mind games with schumi to me. the car was pole ready, but the old man wasn't, and i screwed up.
Makes a change from you bigging yourself up.
Actually the old man might have been ready. Schumi accused Nico of having wrecked his flying lap, the same way Jenson accused Felipe.
that was a banker lap though? not the find run.
*final
it am awesome.
I wonder if someone has swapped over the keys on your keyboard to mess with you. Like the way you can swap over the stickers on a Rubix Cube to look really clever... only the complete opposite.
*shrugs*
True. I quite like mind games and team dynamics in F1. More exciting than the racing this year.
no, i'm just stupid.
:D
fat fingers?
if you would like to order a dialling wand, mash the keypad now
nope. stupid.
Hehehe.
argh for not having sound, can't link Simpsons :)
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DtbPOXFk00
*hoping it hasn't been redubbed*
#nothere
#sidepodspace
Brought to you from NASA's you couldn't make it up department.
The first spacewalk is still underway but was held up for a while because the main computer system decided for no apparent reason. They told the spacewalkers to just hang around out there for half an hour-ish as the robotic arm went to safe mode amongst other problems.
Looks like the ISS had a blue screen of death to me which is not what you want with two people on limited air supply hanging around outside.
Afternoon all.
Beastly day. This morning I connected the hateful BlackBerry Storm to my MacBook to update the BB software. Got bored waiting and relocated the MacBook from my lap to the coffee table so that I could fetch breakfast. This is a computer that has been all around Europe over the past 18 months in planes, trains and automobiles; why, then, should the process of gently setting it down on a table cause the hard drive to pack in?
And, since the BB was half way through its update, it is also kaput. To pile ghastliness upon beastliness, Vodafone have scaled back their support for this hideous device. Last time it broke, they couriered a replacement the next day – this time I had to cart it to a shop and hand it over for a minimum of three weeks, with no replacement.
So: dead MacBook, and a SIM card in an envelope. What else can go wrong today?
My advice is to keep all other electronics off the killer coffee table.
Good idea. If it does its wicked work on the Sky remote as well, there will be ructions...
Something about straw and camels perhaps.
how in the world are you managing to comment?
I'm in Tarzan Towers at the moment.
epic :D
ahhh. what's the plan with the macbook, trip to a genius?
Cool little piece on 2 teenagers who got rich quick with App's
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2010/05/still_here_the_teenage_app_tyc.html
Booked in for tomorrow morning. No doubt they'll want to spirit it away to be 'repaired' – when actually all they'll do is junk the old HD and fit a new one. And charge an arm and a leg for the privilege.
Working on the assumption that the HD is unrecoverable (rats! its got all the photos for the second booky wook on it!), the easiest and cheapest route is to order a new one from Amazon and fit it myself – all you have to do is open the back and undo five screws. Simples.
that's true. i assumed they'd at least try to recover the dat though?
But will they splurge their earnings on Crack?
If they don't, they're not having it. Good thing there's no porn on there, eh?
i heard steve jobs protects you from that. so presumably it's impossible :)
paddock life:
Patrick Head wandered in during the afternoon and asked if it was possible for the FA Cup final to be shown. It was only when someone reminded Head that it was Friday, and not Saturday, that he realised he was trying to watch the football 24 hours too early.
:)
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/83705
I totally did that too (without the football) monaco messes my bodyclock up!
I heard a rumour that earlier in the season PH had a disagreement with Adam Parr during breakfast which ended with Patrick throwing a bowl of muesli over him...
that'll mess up his hair :)
Ah, I wish I had found this before I did the rankings: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/99312895/Getty-Images-Entertainment
So who gets points and who loses based on the photo?
sutil appears to be carrying jules' handbag.
haha Jules almost acts as a headping... hi all.
:)
everyone having a nice day?
indeedy, yourself?
yep :) been very productive which makes me happy.
no idea if this has been picked up... but doesn't this competition sound slightly familiar?
http://www2.marksandspencer.com/livingthedream.shtml
oh wow. one day mclaren will come up with an original marketing pitch and i'll fall over with shock.
it's slightly different in that you get to keep the helmet and well.. who knows.. put it on the mantel piece? no Jenson wearing it and it being sold for charity. I like the idea that you get to design it at MTC.. i hope this doesn't mean JBs helmet comp has finished.
he needs a "design a brighter bung" comp.
:(
he tweets:
@5livef1: AD here. I have been asked to update our loyal supporters while my team mate hogs the wheel. 95m from Calais now. He is pushing on though!
http://twitter.com/5LiveF1/status/14171371941
Ant!!! (hearts)...
Darren Heath has a feature on mclaren's website now...
http://mclaren.com/home
From James Moy's Monaco blog
'I started my race at the iconic Lowes Hairpin (yes I know it`s not called that anymore and I don`t care) then into the tunnel, before catching the action at the Nouvell Chicane, I walked back past the gin palaces and stopped briefly at the swimming pool chicane and then positioned myself in time for a front row seat at the podium presentation.'
http://www.jamesmoy.com/section376770.html
I want to be an f1 photographer... soooo badly! Monaco just seems awesome.
"Every time I even think about going near an airport nowadays some sort of drama happens. In the past few months, I have been delayed in London. Lost my luggage in Madrid. Had my flight cancelled in Shanghai. Had an engine blow up on take-off in Zurich. And as I now sit here in Spain, they are announcing that my airport is closed in Barcelona!"
not me!
but.. it's worth it.. plus it isn't always like that. it's just very unlucky.
i've one my life's worth of travelling. i'm staying indoors. send us some pics though ;)
dank on rubens:
He should receive a grid penalty or something that impedes him come the next race. Perhaps he should be made to drive the Turkish Grand Prix with whatever remains of the steering wheel after his tantrum – that I would like to see.
http://www.motorsportmusings.co.uk/2010/05/oh-rubens/
travelling is so awesome to me.. seeing as i haven't done much yet. The idea of the familiarity of the paddock and people but the unpredictability and excitement of the locations, journey and the job make me want to try it even more :)
#notthesameperson
am glad you're motivated to do it though.
s'ok it's Lukeh that's you mini me not.. me :)
hehe there is a loong way to go. but everyone has to have dreams :)
evening everyone,
what goes on?
i think i just discovered my picture of the day - http://tinyurl.com/38xnbsv
:o
australia rules!
http://www.microsoft.com/australia/technet/ie8milk/
reliant williams?
looking a bit like the delta wing now that the front of the car is gone
Speaking of travelling, I was just FB chatting with my sister who is about to go to a birthday dinner with my Mum and stepdad. Trouble is, her boyfriend has been stuck at Stanstead for 12 hours. He's now made it to Porto and there are no travel links, they've stopped for the day. It is a two hour drive each way and this is the last night available for the meal - does she cancel the 50th birthday meal knowing it can't be rebooked (not enough time before they come back), or does she abandon Dave and leave him to find a hotel?
That should be a worldwide campaign :)
She subs Dave for a really great meal and hotel and leaves him!!...
They can have regular updates photos of each others meals etc all through the evening to keep his spirits up...
Get him to hire a car. THen he can join them for pudding/
His mobile has stopped working and internet at the airport is too expensive. She's left him to it. :)
He sounds like a complete disaster. She should take him out to the woods and leave him there.
Evening all. I must photograph for you what Alex did.
Heheh :)
They are as bad as each other
you like keeping me in suspense don't you.. :P
Film watch ping: http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/2010/05/17/film-watch-57-2012/
It's my phone's fault, it's so fail trying to get photos off it :(
you need a proper camera..
I have identified perfect house!! I want it. I hope I can have it before someone else does :(
Charming.
Do tell
It's just very super perfect. It's pretty and has space for Alphonso and is walking distance into town and affordable. There is also internet which seems like a major stumbling block for a lot of people....
As if you wouldn't :)
Sounds great
I really wouldn't!!! If I was left a mere 2 hours away after travelling hundreds of miles to see someone I'd go mental!!!!
He was only going home, they live together.
Hmmmm.... I'd probably still be quite angry :P
So I got this postcard in the post when I got home today...
I turned it over very confused... but the other side was just totally awesome. :D:D
Also noticed this in the corner :)
Alex = awwwwesome.
Imagine Nick was stuck there and you had something planned. Surely he is capable of finding his way home
:D :D :D
Excellent :)
Have you blinked yet?
Originally the statue in the postcard was really far away in the photo and I accidentally blinked so I must not blink again! :P
If I have it on my screen long enough will it eventually appear in my room?
Evening all.
You really haven't thought this through have you? :P
Oh also. Even though you weren't at all concerned. I'm not unemployed :D They wouldn't tell me if I could have holiday though so I guess it'll have to be very impulsive when they tell me on Wednesday.
BBC F1 big picture by Darren Heath
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8686774.stm
It's always a good plan to agree to start a job and immediately ask for a holiday before you even start
:D
Oh quiet you! :)
he's everywhere! lol
Shows how easy it is to be rich and famous as an F1 photographer
Moi?
Most of my photos look that blurry, can I be a famous photographer too?
Problem is, if I don't go now, I can't go until July....
ehehe :D only once you make a 'big break' though.. hehe
if only it was that easy :(
It's only a game show, you'd better believe I'm right...
I make blurry photos all the time. Couldn't be easier
:D
we're gonna be snookering lou tonight
Ha :)
:)
Mr C, now that my assignment is all handed in would you like to see what I've been working on? Baring in mind it was basically completed in 9 days and myself and 2 others began it with minimal/no php experience... although my team as well as myself are prettty pleased with what we made in the time anyways
certainly!
Can be found over here
Although noone go messing with it and breaking it please... it's only little :)
brilliant!! what can we sign you up for next?
i wonder...
I think I my have signed myself up for something already :P
Woooo is it make Lou an amazing photography website time?? :D
How's the job hunting going Lukeh or should I not ask?
I have to say I don't like the requirement for birth date, especially when the calendar thingy doesn't work properly for me and defaults to this month. I'm not pressing the back button nearly 500 times.
damn that lou.
No email yet, either.
Am happy to make Lou a proper website eventually though if it's wanted :)
Have been speaking to a graduate opportunity scheme today about signing up for a placement from September but it'd be like paid experience so we shall see if that leads to anything because it's limited places. Still looking for alternatives though, more so this week now that assignment is over I have more like to look!
not until he finishes uni. last thing i want is for his focus to be diverted from uni in the last few weeks..
woah, how old are you?
Hello all.
Just saw this:
@karunchandhok My good mate Jonathan Williams has just text me to say Rubens' steering still works despite 2 HRTF1 cars running over it - Impressive !!!
To be fair we've addressed that in the report we handed in. We just ran out of time to fix it when we had lots of other things to do.
41*12 = 492
Ah okay. Teaching? Are you looking into something like teach first or what? I wouldn't have thought you'd have to do a lot of unpaid experience to get into a teaching course but maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick....
2?! When did the second one happen?
woah!
Hi Janna!
Or you could just press the year button
you know there's a year button... right?
grrrrrrrrrrr am stuck on a level of angry birds..
I mean it is still 41 times so not ideal, but better :)
First one took it to the tunnel then dropped it then the other picked it up and dropped i at the swimming pool
I do now. Confused by the fact I had to find the calendar before I could even select the date. Firefox makes it appear at the bottom of the page
I think one of them knocked it into the path of the other.
Which level?
Oh no, it's not teaching related. I'd need to get more experience asides from the few weeks I have from previous experience. It's more general graduate opportunities but I'm definitely looking to go back into a PGCE related course eventually. Still consider myself bit too young for teaching but I've had lots of very useful and helpful teaching graduate schemes keep in contact and give advice regarding that. I'm just happy to get general experience before trying that.
erm... episode 1... stage 2... level 9... it's horrible
I was going to say I'm surprised the TV cameras didnt pick up on it. But then, it was that director.
The director who knew not of Kobyashi's existance
Seemed to like the trackside ads though, as someone pointed out on Twitter midrace
Ah okay. If it's not directly to do with what you're wanting to do with your life, and won't necessarily lead to a job, I'd be very wary about taking unpaid placements. Money sadly is important. Surely you want to give that supermarket the boot?
Nobody knows Kobayashi exists. It's why he crashes - to make people aware of him!
Definitely. Oh my god yes. :)
The fatal attraction of HRT....
OK, first bird is a bomb, drop it on the strut to the left. That should clear the blocks down to the same level as the rock.
Second bird is 3 birds - aim at the blocks and divide as close to impact as you can.
Third bird is turbo boost one, this has to go into the remaining bricks and release the stone block onto the pig's head.
i'm so bad at this.. i try that and i can't do it..
It took me about 200 goes to get 3 stars on 2-12
i did it!!! at last! i can stop now :D
Hurrah!
castrol rankings suck. i'm starting to think they were created so people could watch JB fall down the order..
I thought that was Honda's job....
*runs*
I love little Glocky much, but the fact he is one place ahead of Jaime Alguesuari just says everything rubbish about it.
There's only one way to go from the top though, sadly.
i heart their performer of the month:
Sebastian Vettel may not be leading the Formula 1 World Championship, but he has proven himself to be the most consistently-quick driver in the field this year
he's getting he arse kicked by a teammate no-one rates. he should get an award for underperformer of the month.
:D
I was going to moan on at Buemi for being outperformed by Jaime, then Schumacher had to get a penalty so he got his first points.
He always sucks at Monaco though. I was expecting worse than 2nd I think :P
And that was kind of my point here ;) {Comment #247}
:D
:(
I do wonder why he can't seem to get the best out of the car recently. Have Red Bull made any drastic changes?
Ooooh. What are the chances that Nelson Piquet Sr. will get to be a steward then? Should Alonso have to worry? {Comment #248}
None. One of the side effects of motor racing being tight-knit is that if you offend the wrong people it's easy to be knocked out of the loop of power. I think the Piquets have managed to do that. Nelson may race again but it will never be with the level of respect afforded to his rivals, let alone with enough influence to actually get a foot into the corridors of power. His father is likely to have the "horns effect" applied to him by association even though he had no known role in the scandal that knocked the Piquets out of the loop.
there was the ride-height ban thing. when did that happen?
How are we all? {Comment #251}
Stressed. Had to calm down a screaming drunk verbally attacking a Big Issue seller just to get to college and then underperformed on the practise test - with my classmates wondering why I was worried about my under-performance because they think a pass is good..
still, you'll probably fair well on castrol rankings next week.
I think he's going to be fine. He really hates Monaco. He was purely horrendous the last 2 years too. Roll on Turkey.
I also think it's harsh to say he's getting an arse kicking when he's co-leading the championship despite 3 mechanical failures.
mark webber couldn't beat david coulthard in the same car. he couldn't beat nick heidfeld in the same car. mark webber used to be average. either hes drastically improved. or vettel getting an arse-kicking.
Or Sebastian is just plain struggling with his own car. He was besting Mark all the way until only recently. You might be on to something about the ride-height thing.
I think he's gonna be on it next weekend. I really think Monaco doesn't count for him.
it's a hell of a turnaround. if vettel is supposed to be the next schumi, he shouldn't be beaten by webber. lewis, maybe. webber no-way.
but spain?
also, wasn't it turkey that vettel screwed up last year, and finished behind webber, after loosing the lead to button on lap 1?
He lost the lead but I thought he still finished 2nd?
Everyone's allowed an off day. I agree he's not performed well recently but I think it's just a one off.
yep
But I think he has yet to screw up big time this year. Only reliability and strategy problems.
No, his team screwed him on strategy and he came third.
Apologies, that did happen. I've erased a lot of the last one and a half years...
no, he screwed up and came third
the test for Webber is whether he can continue this form, last season it plummeted from about Hungary onwards until Brazil.
I certainly hope so. Because if not, it may well be that this car just doesn't suit him on certain circuits, and that is not good for a championship campaign where you try to get maximum points every race.
hehe, i remember him having a tantrum in third because the team told hi to stay put.
although different from the tantrum he had in brazil when it rained...
i doubt he can. i don't think he's improved that much. he has an awesome car and a teammate who's dropped the ball.
I agree that he shouldn't have let Button past but that didn't hold him up. Red Bull wanted the strategies split to give a (ridiculous) chance of victory and for some reason gave Mark a favourable strategy when Seb was in front. Losing the victory was Seb's fault, getting third place really wasn't. Red Bull + strategy = DISASTER
but webber didn't screw up, why shouldn't he get the favourable call?
Vettel would be ahead though if he didn't have some many car problems.
Or the updates just suit Mark better...
It happens...
Look at the Merc too....
It happens...
Why didn't they both go on that strategy? How is a strategy that can't even hold 2nd place ever going to be able to take the lead?? It's insane talk.
if, if, if though.
maybe mark treats the car better?
No reason (he should get a favourable call). But that doesn't mean they didn't screw up Seb's race anyway.
Vettel has a better name for his though :)
no it isn't. either way after vettel's cockup, the best the team could hope for was a 2-3, which they got. not the way around you'd have liked it, but the correct way in my eyes.
i think that was suggested in spain, as Vettel has problems with brakes.
Excuse me...
I think I've just got to stop laughing...
So Lewis treated the Macca better than Heikki....
I think not... Heikki just lucked into the duff bits....
Merc is different. There is conspiracy there.
I want to believe that the 'Mark + Webber + cheating' search is not a sign of things to come.
the team came away with the same points either way. what did they loose by doing what they did? nothing.
we'll wait...
:D
I think it's unfair to mess about with people like that.
At any rate, they are shocking at strategy calls across the board imo. They'd really benefit from someone with a lot of experience at that.
Mr C, you may like to know if we were still using the old point scoring system, Vettel would actually be ahead by a couple of points.
(i know its an if ;))
I think this situation is more Kimi-like than Heikki-like. Retiring while leading a race? Check. :(
is that the first time? i forget what happened in melbourne, was that a brake thing for vettel?
(i know mark forgot to use his)
Tres kind...
Poor old Seb.... he actually did the best he could in the race and jumped Kubes and came in second...
All the teams give the preferred call to the guy in front so he'd have to have had the luckiest safety car point to get the lead...
And someone who could make cars that didn't keep falling apart
ooh, fair point.
Tres dangerous ground Marilene...
Tres dangerous...
What's to mess with? This is a team sport after all.
Not laughing anymore...
agreed. but what happened in qually? he has the fastest car, he's supposed to be the fastest driver.
He hates Monaco. Before we even went there, I knew not to expect a lot. 2nd is a miracle!
I think so. Australia was "lost torque drive between the front left axle and wheel".
why?
guy screws up, guy looses out. that's the fairest way of playing if you ask me.
if vettel dropped it and they still gave him a favourable strategy... well that's favoritism. isn't it?
canada is going to hurt then.
are they employing Ron Dennis?
Or in technical terms the wheelnut wasn't tightened properly
:)
that was suggested in spain too. how comes marks wheels are always on tight?
The worst call was Ross for Nico...
Left him out bottled up behind Webber on cold tyres losing time to Schuey who had yet to get caught in the Kobi train...
Nico then came in a lap behind Kobi and the others had eaten up all his benefit...
Anyone would think Ross was not on his side....
I know. *sobz*
No idea but equally I have no idea what a driver can do that will loosen a wheelnut.
Fact. No thinking required. :P
To be fair, Nico may have made the call.
not true, it could've gone nico's way. as it was he was going to come out behind schuey so the risk was justified.
Errr...
That would be get out and use a wheel gun....
Fast pit stops will do that. Others on the grid are suffering too. Maybe Mark's mechanics are better trained?
that's a good point. maybe it's stopping position in the pitbox or something? mark is better at judging?
I don't understand what you're saying, he was in front of Mark with the same amount of fuel in the car. Why shouldn't he move onto the better strategy. The strategy they were trying was idiocy from 1st and pure insanity from 2nd. It's nothing to do with team orders, you can surely determine your own strategy independently from the other driver. Why deliberately choose a slower strategy to let the other guy past? Unless you're trying to gracefully allow the drivers to swap positions for points purposes.
Very true I watched Michael putting in about 4 or 5 laps faster than Nico screaming to Ross to let him come in....
What....
Are you guys on something here?....
Same mechanics for bothe drivers
I vote for drivers doing their own wheel change next year. Then we can get rid of pit stop strategy completely! (and drivers can only blame themselves). ;)
same mechanics??
maybe Vettel is just really unlucky.
So I got this postcard in the post when I got home today...
I turned it over very confused... but the other side was just totally awesome. :D:D
Also noticed this in the corner :)
Alex = awwwwesome. {Comment #356}
That is super, Alex :)
Still shouldn't make any difference
vettel didn't have the same fuel on board surely? i can't remember it that well, but he was on a strategy that assumed he would be leading the race.
he screwed that up at turn 3(?)
no-one is more unlucky than mark webber. i just refuse to believe that :)
Pedro de la Rosa... just nominating him...
They were both going to 3 stop (mad!) which might have worked from the lead I guess. Mark's engineers swapped him to a 2 stop and Vettel had to continue on the 3 stop strategy which is going to put you behind your teammate especially if you're not allowed to challenge him on your fresher tyres.
Oh also. Even though you weren't at all concerned. I'm not unemployed :D {Comment #364}
Excellent news :)
And bring back refuelling - from a standard petrol pump located at the nearest petrol station to the track.
I think he's found his fairy godfather...
Webber is professionally unlucky so Vettel should be thrashing him
heheh!
Love it. I want them to have to run into the kiosk to pay supermarket sweep style :D
all i can say to that is "shame". either way the team didn't loose out and vettel learnt a valuable lesson.
:)
Just so long as no-one nominates Rubens as unlucky....
I'll go with Karun....
I'm sure he didn't drive off the road on purpose :P Either way, Button drove away from him once he was past so I'm not sure he could have kept the lead anyways.
:D I am liking this.
Well rally drivers do the tyre changes... and they change the ride heights...
And do the fuel thing too come to think of it...
And they carry on board a ton of tape to ensure the car is road-worthy between stages....
i'm not saying he did. i assume he lost it under pressure, looking in his mirrors. i reckon the lead was his until the pitstops. at that point webber could've done nothing to jump him.
Kimi digging himself out of a snow bank was the best thing I've ever seen. I really want to see Rosberg or Shumacher doing that :D
Maybe they should have a shopping list as well. Tic tacs, diet Coke, Haribo and two Milky Bars.
No wonder Kimi wanted to join rallying. :D
still, you'll probably fair well on castrol rankings next week. {Comment #436}
I don't care about the Castrol rankings! It's not like any potential employer will...
Mirrors! I remember reading that Webber said the change in mirror position were the reason he's suddenly good.
And a copy of the News Of the World
really? oooooooh.
spain!
He really seems to enjoy the hands on stuff...
(No funny comments please)....
Magnum?
although.... WTF?
Yes he's put Vaseline on Sebs....
I demand the same change for Seb.
:)
Yeah:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8687125.stm
Double caramel Magnum. And a coke.
they both have them, although i've no idea why they'd improve ones driving.
Purrrlease...
Sunday Times or Observer....
well i'll be damned.
Seb needs a booster cushion to see his....
they both have them, although i've no idea why they'd improve ones driving. {Comment #538}
They allow the driver to see rivals better and thus makes defensive work easier.
Who'd have thought having mirrors that were functional could ever be helpful eh.....
He is saying that had he had the mirrors in Malaysia Vettel would not have passed him
it does assume that you're the driver in front though. so how comes vettel isn't ahead?
The booster cushion means he can't reach the pedals....
sorry to break up the f1 chat... but i feel the need to share this cake, and the blog post.. with everyone
http://stupidbytom.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/lightening-the-mood/
NotW not for me, you understand, just a bit easier to read than the Times at 190mph
Hmmm....
Looking at the pics are we?.....
Awesome. Want.
Well I don't read it for the articles :)
i want to make a multi coloured cake now....
LPG says she knows how.
Caught you...
You said it wasn't for you....
You fibbed....
That is incredible. I think Mr C should make one of those as a surprise for Christine
I've made a bright blue cake for my sister's birthday before. Christ only knows how you get that rainbow effect working properly though. Any experience I have with mixing colours just turns everything brown....
finally, reading the bbc blogs comes in handy ;)
me too.. mum used to make rainbow cakes when i was younger :)
I don't really read it. Observer/Telegraph here when we bother buying a Sunday paper at all.
:)
that would a surprise to me, let alone anyone else.
:D
Hmmmm....
We believe you.....
use a dense cake batter and pour the different layers carefully. Eggless batters or a brownie batter (made blondie) are best.
no, on this occasionhe's telling the truth. Besides I'm the one with a Sunday paper habit as he's often at work :(
And if you feed some to Mark just before the race Seb may just do better ....
:D
:D my favourite thing about rainbow cakes is the from the outside they look normal but when you cut into them they look awesome!! :)
I'm completely going to bake Nick a rainbow cake!! It'll be too hot for me to go outside anyways :P
take pics for us!!! :)
I'll take pictures once I've splattered every surface in his flat with cake mix definitely :D
:D
Whoooo! Finally fixed a perplexing utf-8 encoding issue. Something very cool is one step closer to being finished ;)
From GCreighton the Autosport tech man on Twitter. Guesses?
and a 1969 Indy 500 pace car spotted by Pressdog
http://tweetphoto.com/22860290
They have fixed their caps lock button
twitter mashup page.
they have to compete with chairman allen.
:)
Also, I don't buy Diet Coke or Milky Bars.
iPhone app, or do they already have one?
ahh, good call! tweet him and ask.
Since when were you interested in anything Apple related? ;)
Much as I live in redbull town, i'venot yet managed to work my way inside ;(. Note I say 'yet' :)
you're never coming to our house
#justsayin
what's wrong with diet coke?
I'm not, I just came up with an idea which I don't think they have done before.
Integrated into the live page no doubt
not even if I send RB muffins with him?
It tastes wrong IMO. Normal Coke is nicer. Although it makes my teeth feel funny.
:)
It has no sugar in it.
You want to get rid?? :P
aspartamane
ascel thingy k
botal
oh and
it's not rb cola
Is it a social faux pas to drink Monster in Red Bull Town?
doubt it given that monster seems to be the can in many teenaged hands. Well in those that aren't clutching shakeaway cups
I don't think so.
you're not invited either ;)
ahh.. diet coke > normal coke... but tea is much nicer..
but RB cola is yucky :(
Hehe.
They are off the pro plus then.
No it isn't. Red Bull is though.
I'm not helping myself get an invite am I?
Trufax. So so icky.
:p
So is this the point to tell you about the panda suitcases that I made andy photograph the other day?
Tea is the greatest, I've got one now.
:)
i'm pretty sure if you did come, you'd die of thirst quite rapidly.
what in the world for?
what??? Red Bull is yummy... Red Bull cola = fail...
quick say something about pandas, rob, franck or coding!
Mmmm diet coke. I have a proper hardcore addiction that's only going to grow in new job. Mmmm free diet coke :D
Tried it once. Don't plan to again.
not.
Has around a third less sugar than other colas.
Now virgin.... That really is sickly sweet
You have wine though?
but at the cost of it tasting yucky :(
Tap water? Unless you live in London in which case I wouldn't go near it :)
I refer the honourable lady to my earlier post about suitcases.
Except that andy tells me he's lost that photo, but he has one of panda sweets in the local oriental supermarket :)
Why not? London water has been extensively tested - mainly by all the people living upstream.
not to share!
:)
The worst cola I had was the new Pepsi one in the cardboard box, hardly any sugar at all. Horrible stuff. Cola needs sugar.
Has been a long time since I had it, last recollection is I like it.. but that was when I liked Pepsi more than Coke and I've gone the other way (I do this)
The water in my sister's flat didn't look appealing!
nooooo you canactually taste the differentingredients!
This is probably the point where I should admit to having different salts for different flavours, and to the single plantation chocolate in the cupboards.....
i'll trade you cookies for some wine :P
damnit!
hehe! :P
Panda sweets: http://gallery.me.com/taylor.andy/100151/Panda sweets!/web.jpg?ver=12741330350001
Evening everyone :)
Hey Alex :D
Hey Alex! how are you today?
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Hi Alex. Quick question - Red Bull Cola or Diet Coke?
ehee
squire
Hey... I saw you got the Postcard from the Statue... Hope you haven't blinked... Nothing to do with me of course ;)
...why is there this sand in my eye?
Um... Regular Coke... Is that no longer an option?
'ello!
If you had to choose between RB and diet though?
Best surprise ever.
:D
Surely you turned the card over to take photos of the back?? Why are you not dead?
I trapped him!
I haven't tried the rb one. I am a bit of a coke devotee I'm afraid - I won't drink pepsi for example.
hurrah
Ithe statues were a bit worried about using your address without warning. But then that's naughty aliens for you ;)Why wouls any sane person drink a cola that wasn't Coke?
exactly.
okay, so when someone rings you up having a panic attack the sensible thing is to calm them down and help them regulate their breathing....yeah?
Damn. You should try the RB though
You had to do what you had to do alex. :)
I didn't mind at all though, made a good day even better
Variety.
That sounds sensible to me.
Tell them to phone 999 and hang up or get them to breathe slowly.
Slap them in the face? Is this not an option? :P
okay, i was worried.. she seemed okay by the end of the 40min call.. :s
I tried standard Red Bull. Aweful stuff. I decided to buy a couple of cans to see what the hype was about. Took a mouthful out of one and poured the rest of it down a drain and I couldn't give away the other one.
i want your phone!
WHAT!?!?
she'd never call 999.. I just needed to know i'd done the right thing.
I don't disagree with you there - although it does make marvellous muffins.
That is a long time to be panicking
It is an acquired taste. Try it when you are monumentally tired and need to get stuff done
It's bleedin' aweful stuff. Beats me how anyone can put it in their mouth
It reminds me of calpol, yummy :)
It's BROKEN :cry:
New one coming tomorrow hopefully. Not an ideal time for no phonage right now....
did you use it to slap someone?
I don't doubt it is effective but they could have made it taste of something humans want to put in their mouths
it's not something she'd want me to go into but it's a pretty standard time for her... i think.
Calpol I like
Well you should stop trying to slap people through it then.
you...wasted red bull?... :(
You broke your shiny phone? Maybe that's why they sent you two in the first place
Other options taste nicer but come in too large a quantity... I don't need a pint of the stuff..
DC is also guilty of this. He wasted many a Red Bull
being tired.. and having Alevels helps..
that and it's yummy :)
:D
Some people like to panic and some have just two settings, OK and global thermonuclear panic.
haha
:D
ah.... Well that explains the aversion I had to it initially ;)
but then we're not really a calpol using household. My parentsbelieved in tepid baths for tempretures.
Stupidly I have to send back 2nd one and wait for new one which is coming tomorrow. The world is mad....
It was going to end up in a drain eventually anyway. I just saved myself the unpleasant taste
i worry... alot (ask lukeh...) but this is on a whole different scale..
like muffins?
this makes me sad :(
Pro Plus does the same without the taste
I don't have that kind of panic attack, I do get hysterical crying attacks sometimes though. I'm sure that's annoying for all concerned.
Seems a far better option to me.
ooooh i wouldn't touch pro plus. it sends people very crazy.. red bull is yummy and you don't get a kick all at once..
It is
Is it weird that I've never tried an energy drink, or caffeine pills or anything. I'm not even big into coffee. I do have bad issues with diet coke though....
Hah. I haven't inflicted that on you I'm sure....
Proplus is not good. Not as effective as proper fromtheitaliandelionthecorner espresso either.
Not weird at all. I managed to avoid caffeine pills when I was a student (when Energy Drink meant Lucozade, which I also don't like). Energy drinks make me feel strange, so I avoid them too.
:) :)
Closest I got was Lucozade Sport. Now that has a proper taste that I don't need to spend £25 acquiring
I never touched the pills either. Lots and lots of tea..
..although I did fail :)
:D Right, time for bed. Night all.
Night
Night
night
I really must try to be a more sympathetic person.... Bad times.
Cooper has some words from Liuzzi about the loose drain, Tonio thought it caused Rubens to crash. So Adam went to take a look.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2010/05/17/did-loose-drain-cover-contribute-to-barrichello-crash/
I thought he was clutching at straws until someone tweeted him back with this screengrab:
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/3299/monacodraincover.jpg
okay bed time for me. but actually get to sleep tonight.. so no talking about f1 photography till i get back :P night all! xx
night