Hello fans of Friday and welcome to another daily filled with plenty of stuff here, there and everywhere to try and make your Friday a good day. Did you know that it was on this day in 1400 that the last native Welshman was announced as Prince Wales? Don’t you worry, Owain Glyndŵr, it won’t be long until I’m Prince of Wales. Although there’s a pub around the corner called the Prince of Wales, maybe that’s a more achievable target. Onto the links!

Then the Prince of Wales!

Paddock News

I Can Sing a (Pirelli) Rainbow – They’ve only been in F1 1 a year and they’re already looking to cause havoc by shaking up all the tyre colours in a multicoloured mayhem moment, like a 5 year old angry at not being allowed to use the felt tips. It is definitely as dramatic as that. But yes, Pirelli are looking out for ideas for next years tyres and the colours they should have. I’ll go mad if they decide to get rid of the blue Inters for the sake of Inter Milan’s blue and black kit. Although, what about the F1 tyre colour song?! Damn you Pirelli. Also, I keep typo’ing their name as ‘Pirlo’ – that’s the wrong Milan.

Bernie Ecclestone, truly the Master of Puppets – I still can’t believe this news. There’s been a few surreal headlines over the years but Metallica headlining an F1 Rocks gigs is definitely up there for me. I think someone told Lars how rich F1 is and he wanted more, damnit, more! Still, least it’s someone different instead of the bog standard Beyonce/Black Eyed Peas/N Doobityz/East 17/B*witched or whatever the heck they have at these gigs. I for one would like to see Max Boyce headline an F1 Rocks gig.

Elsewhere

T-Minus 7 Days and Counting... – It’s only 7 more days until the fantabulous F1 2011 is released on various consoles and I for one am just a little insy winsy ittie bit excited for it. As you can see on the link, expect plenty to read and watch today as not only is the first launch trailer for the game being released online today but also the fourth developer diary looking at the Season mode and how the Safety Car will be incorporated into the game. As well as that – from 2pm today the embargo will be released for the game’s reviews on gaming websites everywhere! How exciting. Bring on some virtual terrible driving. At least when I crash into everyone I can blame the Williams for being a bad car.

Give Up Doesn’t Exist in Alex Zanardi’s Vocabulary – It is impossible to not read the story of Alex Zanardi’s life since his horrific crash 10 years ago yesterday and not love this man to death. Honestly, the man is one of the most inspiration people I’ve witnessed over the years and this links shared about yesterday proves just how excellent Zanardi is. You definitely have to give it a read and find out about his plans for Paralympic success in London 2012. Pat’s also thinking of possibly heading down which is a wonderful idea. Who knew that one of the scariest crashes you could see, with Zanardi almost losing his life, could turn into a story like this? Totally inspirational.

He’s Jumped the Shark Twice! – This is totally unrelated to pretty much everything you’ll ever see but I’m so pleased that Henry Winkler was given an OBE yesterday, how awesome. I get that most people will see Henry and think of the Fonz, which is more than understandable, but for me he is the legendary Barry Zuckercorn from Arrested Development. But it’s not for his awesome acting, but instead because he’s a bit of a legend away from Hollywood too – going around the UK and showing kids that Dyslexia may be classed as a learning difficulty but it certainly isn’t a disability. He’s always seemed like a lovely chap, and I’m just delighted for him.

And Finally...

Oh, you want more? Ohh, go on then, it’s a Friday after all. Treat yourself to these little bits:

  • Every wondered what the original concept Playstation controllers looked like? Of course you did! Thank goodness for evolution though, some of them just look... wrong. So wrong.
  • This is actually one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen in terms of someone creating a little model airport world, wow! Look how well detailed the littlest bits of the airport is! Model stuff fascinates me far more than it should...
  • If, like me, you are a big fan of the 21st century Lego that is Minecraft, you may be interested to know the 1.8 update is now available with a HUGE update of stuff. You must check it out!
  • And now for the absolute worst and most blatent bit of football diving I’ve seen, deary me indeed. How on earth could anyone seriously think they’d not get away with that?!

I think that’ll do. Let’s wrap off another day of awesomeness with a decidedly awesome video thanks to the drumtastic nature of Dom Howard’s ability to drum and Chris Wolstenholme’s ability to Chris Wolstenholme. My brain can barely contain the dangerous levels of awesome that follows – enjoy, and I’ll see you in the comments!

385 responses

  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:15

    They’ve only been in F1 1 a year and they’re already looking to cause havoc by shaking up all the tyre colours in a multicoloured mayhem moment, like a 5 year old angry at not being allowed to use the felt tips.

    call me a cynic, but i'm wising up to pirelli now. everything they do has a PR agenda, they should be called PRelli.

    next week - "we're rethinking the colour of rubber, let the fans decide!"

  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:19

    I for one would like to see Max Boyce headline an F1 Rocks gig.

    no idea who that is, but if JV can't get a drive, surely he can get a headline gig?

  • RubberGoat15/09/2011 at 23:19

    They’ve only been in F1 1 a year and they’re already looking to cause havoc by shaking up all the tyre colours in a multicoloured mayhem moment, like a 5 year old angry at not being allowed to use the felt tips.

    Glow in the dark tyres? Pardon???

  • Steven Roy15/09/2011 at 23:22

    The minature airport is incredible.

    That dive is worse than Rivaldo's

  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:23

    Glow in the dark tyres? Pardon???

    there was a rumour before the first night-race that they'd be needed. it didn't happen though didi it? singapore was way too bright.

  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:30

    they should be called PRelli.

    :) :)

    next week - "we're rethinking the colour of rubber, let the fans decide!"

    I thought they did that with the name colours already.

  • Dan15/09/2011 at 23:37

    how about making the teams have team coloured tyres, but have it like the old days so their country's racing colours, Italy - red, Germany - silver, Britain - british racing green, france (is LRGP classes as french or malaysian this week?) - blue, rather than the sponsorship related liveries, i think that could make it interesting :P They are synthetic tyres after all, so there's not need for them to be just black :P

  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:38

    Okay, so this is a long post but I do hope you read it even if it is a skim-read. An endurance post for an endurance race. :) At least have a look at the photo and video links if not the boring old words.

    PING - 6 Hours of Silverstone

    http://toomuchracing.com/2011/09/16/attending-the-2011-6-hours-of-silverstone/

  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:42

    how about making the teams have team coloured tyres, but have it like the old days so their country's racing colours, Italy - red, Germany - silver, Britain - british racing green, france (is LRGP classes as french or malaysian this week?) - blue, rather than the sponsorship related liveries, i think that could make it interesting :P They are synthetic tyres after all, so there's not need for them to be just black :P

    but where are the headlines?

    what if there was a weekly lottery draw for tyre colours. ferrari would hope for red, but might get lotus green or williams blue for the weekend. it could be a thursday thing, a ratings and headline winner...

  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:44

    Now I read the Pirelli link, they've now changed their minds about qualifying tyres

  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:45

    what if there was a weekly lottery draw for tyre colours. ferrari would hope for red, but might get lotus green or williams blue for the weekend. it could be a thursday thing, a ratings and headline winner...

    Who would watch?

  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:45

    Who would watch?

    i ask the same thing about free practice this year, but the beeb keep streaming it :)

  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:46

    how about making the teams have team coloured tyres, but have it like the old days so their country's racing colours, Italy - red, Germany - silver, Britain - british racing green, france (is LRGP classes as french or malaysian this week?) - blue, rather than the sponsorship related liveries, i think that could make it interesting :P They are synthetic tyres after all, so there's not need for them to be just black :P

    Or national flags:

    http://mytyres.co.uk/RDNews586.html

    Pirelli did this to Berger's car in 1986:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Gerhard_Berger_1986_Detroit.jpg/800px-Gerhard_Berger_1986_Detroit.jpg

  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:47
  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:49

    i ask the same thing about free practice this year, but the beeb keep streaming it :)

    I don't see the appeal of watching FP unless at the track wanting to see F1 cars at speed (and paid a lot of money for a weekend ticket and want to get money's worth!).

    Crofty and Ant might be better off releasing their Friday chats as a long podcast.

  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:50

    #ohmychrist

    Hembrey himself tweeted it the other day

  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:50

    Hembrey himself tweeted it the other day

    who gave these people a tyre contract?!

  • Steven Roy15/09/2011 at 23:51
  • Mr C15/09/2011 at 23:51

    I don't see the appeal of watching FP unless at the track wanting to see F1 cars at speed (and paid a lot of money for a weekend ticket and want to get money's worth!).

    i used to like it. no idea where it all went wrong. maybe i grew out of it.

  • Pat W15/09/2011 at 23:52

    i used to like it. no idea where it all went wrong. maybe i grew out of it.

    I only like it when I get to see a cool track like Spa earlier than usual. No need to spend hours for a boring track.

  • Alison15/09/2011 at 23:53

    i used to like it. no idea where it all went wrong. maybe i grew out of it.

    The chit chat is nice if you've got something else you're doing as well... I couldn't sit and watch it exclusively ever.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 00:12

    The chit chat is nice if you've got something else you're doing as well... I couldn't sit and watch it exclusively ever.

    It is good background

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 00:12

    I'm knackered, sleeptime! Catch you in the evening I expect

  • Joe in Fla16/09/2011 at 01:12

    Hello all

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 03:59

    Okay, so this is a long post but I do hope you read it even if it is a skim-read. An endurance post for an endurance race. :) At least have a look at the photo and video links if not the boring old words.

    Loved reading this. Reminds me of all the events I've been to by myself

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 04:01

    i ask the same thing about free practice this year, but the beeb keep streaming it :)

    Can they afford to put FP3 on the iplayer for me... please :)

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 04:02

    Pirelli did this to Berger's car in 1986:

    Loved it, still love it! Benetton Lotus Renault anyone?

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 04:04

    i used to like it. no idea where it all went wrong. maybe i grew out of it.

    It's still fresh for me because I don't get to see them all, every race.

  • F1Wolf16/09/2011 at 04:05

    really interesting to see how "welcome" is the F1 circus in India. When I recall my Indian visa experience few years back I can see what all these people mean ...

    why on Earth are these countries wasting money on organizing events like this when they do not even try to make the people who will have to come feel welcome ...

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 07:32

    really interesting to see how "welcome" is the F1 circus in India. When I recall my Indian visa experience few years back I can see what all these people mean ...

    I'm sure this is all about facilitation payments. It is India after all.

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 08:00

    Sidepodsydney is on!

    Ok, it's just Amy and me having dinner while she's up here for the tennis :)

    We may ask for help on menu choices if that's still the done thing

  • Amy16/09/2011 at 08:21

    We may ask for help on menu choices if that's still the done thing

    words can't express how much I'm craving fanta. Which is odd, i only drink it about once a year.

  • Amy16/09/2011 at 08:57

    i don't have to miss the all blacks! Thank you hotel for having the right channel :D

  • That'll be the Day16/09/2011 at 09:00

    How well do you know your Formula 1 history?

    The book That'll be the Day: 365 F1 Stories takes a look at significant moments or quirky happenings on this day in Grand Prix history. Can you guess what event the following describes?

    - Which team was Jarno Trulli confirmed as joining, on this day in 2004, after an acrimonious split with Renault?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 09:53

    Ok, it's just Amy and me having dinner while she's up here for the tennis :)

    YES!!!

    We may ask for help on menu choices if that's still the done thing

    *massive group hugs*

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 09:54

    why on Earth are these countries wasting money on organizing events like this when they do not even try to make the people who will have to come feel welcome ...

    complete madness. recalling the disaster of the commonwealth games, i can't see this ending well at all.

  • F1Wolf16/09/2011 at 10:06

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/meanwhile-on-the-kuala-lumpur-stock-exchange/

    why I am not surprised ...

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 10:11

    i don't have to miss the all blacks! Thank you hotel for having the right channel :D

    I was just told the score. Wow.

    #nothere

  • F1Wolf16/09/2011 at 10:11

    complete madness. recalling the disaster of the commonwealth games, i can't see this ending well at all.

    friend of mine, originally from Chennai, told me few things today when I bugged him about all this visa mess:

    a) they (Indian passport holders) are treated horribly when they apply for visa anywhere and he specifically listed his applications for his UK visa 2 years ago. so their consular officers are simply giving reciprocal treatment to others ...

    when I asked him why in that case, if this is the idea, are they organizing these big events he told me another thing:

    b) this F1 race is only about money, not about racing. if it was about racing the race would be around Chennai ro Bangalore where the racing roots are, not in Delhi. and as this is privately organized, not government event, the government does not really care about privileged treatment for those arriving

    welcome to India I suppose :-)

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 10:13

    b) this F1 race is only about money, not about racing. if it was about racing the race would be around Chennai ro Bangalore where the racing roots are, not in Delhi. and as this is privately organized, not government event, the government does not really care about privileged treatment for those arriving

    on the plus side, silverstone can stop moaning that they're the only privately funded gp remaining :)

  • F1Wolf16/09/2011 at 10:14

    on the plus side, silverstone can stop moaning that they're the only privately funded gp remaining :)

    :-)

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 10:15

    why I am not surprised ...

    What's the over under on Tony buying them?

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 10:15

    I was just told the score. Wow.

    That's quite low - they beat them 145-17 in 1995 ;)

  • F1Wolf16/09/2011 at 10:39

    What's the over under on Tony buying them?

    question is why would he want them now with so big debt ... he has a car brand already, why would he need so heavy burden ... I am afraid Proton already missed the Fernandes train ...

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 10:41

    why I am not surprised ...

    95% down on their profits!!!

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 10:42

    question is why would he want them now with so big debt ... he has a car brand already, why would he need so heavy burden ... I am afraid Proton already missed the Fernandes train ...

    at the right price (e.g. free), it would be a bargain. lotus is a great brand name.

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 10:46

    at the right price (e.g. free), it would be a bargain. lotus is a great brand name.

    If he bought into (two) floundering airlines, there's no reason why he wouldn't do the same with a car company. The only way is up, right?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 10:53

    disclosure: this morning i sent Team Lotus my CV. by all means start accusing me of mike arrington like bias.

    of course, if i hear nothing, i'm backing team behar-boullier all the way :)

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 10:55

    disclosure: this morning i sent Team Lotus my CV. by all means start accusing me of mike arrington like bias.

    he he!

    What do you think it would mean for Sidepodcast if you worked for Team Lotus?

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 10:55

    question is why would he want them now with so big debt ... he has a car brand already, why would he need so heavy burden ... I am afraid Proton already missed the Fernandes train ...

    There is always a deal to be done with the government if they want to save face

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 10:56

    What do you think it would mean for Sidepodcast if you worked for Team Lotus?

    probably about the same if sky took over half the f1 races and we couldn't afford to watch them.

    in truth, i've no idea.

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 10:56

    disclosure: this morning i sent Team Lotus my CV. by all means start accusing me of mike arrington like bias.

    Oh and Good Luck of course, not that you need it!

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 10:57

    disclosure: this morning i sent Team Lotus my CV. by all means start accusing me of mike arrington like bias.

    OK Good to know. Good luck!

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 10:57

    Oh and Good Luck of course, not that you need it!

    they specify flash skills which i don't have and don't want to learn. depends if i can convince them html5 is the future or not :)

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 10:58

    What do you think it would mean for Sidepodcast if you worked for Team Lotus?

    A lot more Green and Yellow Green and Yellow Green and Yellow Green and Yellow ...

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 10:58

    they specify flash skills which i don't have and don't want to learn. depends if i can convince them html5 is the future or not :)

    "HTML5 is like CFD...

    No wait..."

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 11:01

    probably about the same if sky took over half the f1 races and we couldn't afford to watch them.

    Oh yeah... I was going to ask you something about that. You don't need to give your answer of course, but I thought it might be an interesting thought experiment (especially as it's entirely theoretical).

    First of all imagine you live somewhere where putting up a Satellite dish isn't a problem (see we are in imagination world)

    Then Imagine somebody / everybody donated the ammount of money it would cost to watch F1 on Sky for the next year.

    Would you a) Get sky or b) think oooh with this £xxxx we could do something much more amazing?

    Of course people probably wouldn't give it to you to just freely do what you wanted with it and yadda yadda yadda, but I wondered if the answer was really b then that's interesting in and of itself... and yeah... hmmm... anyway :)

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 11:02

    they specify flash skills which i don't have and don't want to learn. depends if i can convince them html5 is the future or not :)

    Them: "So how are your flash skills"

    Mr C: "My skills are very flash"

    Them: "I mean, how are you at writing flash?"

    Mr C: "You don't want me to write in flash"

    Them: "These are not the droids I'm looking for".

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 11:04

    Then Imagine somebody / everybody donated the ammount of money it would cost to watch F1 on Sky for the next year.

    I don't think I would donate to Sidepodcast explicitly for that reason, however I would not have an issue if donations were used for that purpose. Hypothetically speaking, of course...

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 11:05

    Would you a) Get sky or b) think oooh with this £xxxx we could do something much more amazing?

    if people gave us money for sky we'd get sky.

    just by not making podcasts anymore, we'd save ourselves enough money to do other cool stuff, so wouldn't need any donations, i think.

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 11:05

    just by not making podcasts anymore, we'd save ourselves enough money to do other cool stuff, so wouldn't need any donations, i think.

    Like what for example?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 11:06

    Like what for example?

    can't say!

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 11:06

    can't say!

    Aww :(

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 11:09

    just by not making podcasts anymore, we'd save ourselves enough money to do other cool stuff, so wouldn't need any donations, i think.

    Yeah I didn't make myself very clear did I... but yeah I suppose, "if £1000 fell into your lap would you get sky", was the question.

    And while I was thinking about that I wondered to myself, "I wonder if instead Mr and Mrs C might just stop doing the podcasts, come up with the new exciting thing and launch that instead".

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 11:12

    And while I was thinking about that I wondered to myself, "I wonder if instead Mr and Mrs C might just stop doing the podcasts, come up with the new exciting thing and launch that instead".

    we certainly have ideas, yup.

    the risk with buying sky, is that f1 might be dreadful next year. although having sky, means more content that could be factbyte factbox'd. football for example.

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 11:13

    the risk with buying sky, is that f1 might be dreadful next year. although having sky, means more content that could be factbyte factbox'd. football for example.

    You should be safe shouldn't you in that although the build up might be terrible and the commentators might be terrible you will still have the feed + five live option? It might not be ideal but you could get it to work.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 11:15

    You should be safe shouldn't you in that although the build up might be terrible and the commentators might be terrible you will still have the feed + five live option? It might not be ideal but you could get it to work.

    my fear is more that they might take DRS away, and we go back to 2010 racing. kinda like they stole refuelling without checking with us first :)

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 11:15

    my fear is more that they might take DRS away, and we go back to 2010 racing. kinda like they stole refuelling without checking with us first :)

    Why would they take DRS away?

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 11:17

    my fear is more that they might take DRS away, and we go back to 2010 racing. kinda like they stole refuelling without checking with us first :)

    I have a different fear for next year. I am still not sure which is more crucial tyres or DRS. I'm hoping its DRS because I think they will be able to optimise much more for the tyres for next year and if Pirelli can't keep ahead then that might minimise the fun.

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 11:17

    Why would they take DRS away?

    There is no accounting for the random actions of F1 management.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 11:18

    Why would they take DRS away?

    why did they take refueling away?

    i assume that everything i like will get stolen, because it always has. dumbo flugel etc.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 11:18

    I have a different fear for next year. I am still not sure which is more crucial tyres or DRS. I'm hoping its DRS because I think they will be able to optimise much more for the tyres for next year and if Pirelli can't keep ahead then that might minimise the fun.

    also true.

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 11:20

    I have a different fear for next year. I am still not sure which is more crucial tyres or DRS. I'm hoping its DRS because I think they will be able to optimise much more for the tyres for next year and if Pirelli can't keep ahead then that might minimise the fun.

    Indeed. optimized data and all that.

  • Christine16/09/2011 at 11:21

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/the-2012-silly-season-is-not-about-the-drivers

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 12:46

    Rossi Flip-flops again: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94578

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 13:19

    Rossi Flip-flops again: www.autosport.com…port.php/id/94578

    I think he was just using his klout to get what he wanted. Now he has that he will go.

  • Amy16/09/2011 at 13:29

    dinner was yum, ice cream was yum (pic on twitter!) Jeremy is as lovely as 18 months ago so I'm pretty certain i haven't invited a serial killer to Korea, lots of chatting, and i met the lovely Zoe. Tomorrow, more Roger. Sydney is a success!

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 13:48

    Anyone interested in a pair of Sunday tickets for the Goodwood Revival?

    http://twitter.com/#!/VivaF1/status/114695241445027840

  • Christine16/09/2011 at 14:26

    F1M ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/sergio-prez-tests-ferrari-fiorano

  • Alex Andronov16/09/2011 at 14:34

    dinner was yum, ice cream was yum (pic on twitter!) Jeremy is as lovely as 18 months ago so I'm pretty certain i haven't invited a serial killer to Korea, lots of chatting, and i met the lovely Zoe. Tomorrow, more Roger. Sydney is a success!

    I think 2 of those things are very important things :)

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 14:49

    dinner was yum, ice cream was yum (pic on twitter!) Jeremy is as lovely as 18 months ago so I'm pretty certain i haven't invited a serial killer to Korea, lots of chatting, and i met the lovely Zoe. Tomorrow, more Roger. Sydney is a success!

    hehe. Great night. Shame it had to end.

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 15:25

    Rossi Flip-flops again: www.autosport.com…port.php/id/94578

    I think he was just using his klout to get what he wanted. Now he has that he will go.

    What do you think he wanted? He has previous of wanting to do one thing and then backtracking - albeit over switching from two wheels to four, but still...

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 15:30

    What do you think he wanted?

    He wanted to be sure it would be safe. It would have been easy for him to say nothing and then decide at the last minute pull out but he knows a lot of people go just to see him so he was up front about what he thought and didn't mislead them

    He has previous of wanting to do one thing and then backtracking - albeit over switching from two wheels to four, but still...

    That was a huge decision for him. He definitely wanted to do F1 but he had to weigh up the risks. I think it was perfectly understandable that it took a while to arrive at the answer. Again he never mislead anyone.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 15:32

    He wanted to be sure it would be safe. It would have been easy for him to say nothing and then decide at the last minute pull out but he knows a lot of people go just to see him so he was up front about what he thought and didn't mislead them

    Or it meant he's seen the IndyCar people rock up despite a few complaints, and motorbike people are supposed to be 'harder' than car people, so how can he back out now without looking a fool..

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 15:35

    Or it meant he's seen the IndyCar people rock up despite a few complaints, and motorbike people are supposed to be 'harder' than car people, so how can he back out now without looking a fool..

    I don't think it is foolish to decide not to go near radiation. I can't imagine anything he could do that would harm his reputation. Not going to one race would have no effect whatever on him or his popularity

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 15:38

    I don't think it is foolish to decide not to go near radiation. I can't imagine anything he could do that would harm his reputation. Not going to one race would have no effect whatever on him or his popularity

    He would've looked an idiot if the IndyCar and MotoGP paddocks went, following all kinds of official reports it was safe, and he didn't.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 15:38

    I don't think it is foolish to decide not to go near radiation. I can't imagine anything he could do that would harm his reputation. Not going to one race would have no effect whatever on him or his popularity

    I mean if there really was a large amount more radiation than normal then fine, but there isn't unless you inside the exclusion zone

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 15:41

    He would've looked an idiot if the IndyCar and MotoGP paddocks went, following all kinds of official reports it was safe, and he didn't.

    How do we know it was safe? Radiation can have effects tens of years later. I don't see anything foolish is refusing to find a risk acceptable that other people do. By that definition I am a fool many times.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 15:44

    How do we know it was safe? Radiation can have effects tens of years later. I don't see anything foolish is refusing to find a risk acceptable that other people do. By that definition I am a fool many times.

    Because it has been measured to be a lower dose over the four days they are there, than the exposure they get on the return flights to and from the US.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 15:44

    I mean if there really was a large amount more radiation than normal then fine, but there isn't unless you inside the exclusion zone

    I have lost count of the time I have been told that there is no radiation in the environment of a nuclear power plant only for it to turn out years later that there were incidents at the same time that were kept quiet.

    Bear in mind the current levels only apply as long as the status quo continues. What is the weather forecast? earthquake forecast? etc etc. You have a plant that went from totally safe to life threatening after the last quakes. What happens if another one hits before the thing is permanently dealt with?

    It is easy to say there is no risk but we have no idea what the risk will be in ten minutes time

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 15:52

    It is easy to say there is no risk but we have no idea what the risk will be in ten minutes time

    http://xkcd.com/radiation/

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 15:54

    Because it has been measured to be a lower dose over the four days they are there, than the exposure they get on the return flights to and from the US.

    http://openpaddock.net/2011/09/09/indycar-some-perspective-on-motegi-risks/

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 15:58

    This week's earthquakes in Japan. This only covers part of the country. Imagine that 6.2 being nearer to the nuclear plant

    http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.php

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 16:00

    This week's earthquakes in Japan. This only covers part of the country. Imagine that 6.2 being nearer to the nuclear plant

    earthquake.usgs.g…aps/10/140_35.php

    so rossi is an idiot for agreeing to go then?

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:06

    so rossi is an idiot for agreeing to go then?

    No. He has made his assessment of the risk and decided that for him it is a risk worth taking.

    The point I was making is that you cannot say the situation as it is now and assume that it will stay broadly the same. On that basis the plant should be as it was before it was damaged.

    You always have to consider what could possibly happen and what the implications are

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:26

    Afternoon all, thank crunchy it's Friday! :D

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 16:31

    Bear in mind the current levels only apply as long as the status quo continues. What is the weather forecast? earthquake forecast? etc etc. You have a plant that went from totally safe to life threatening after the last quakes. What happens if another one hits before the thing is permanently dealt with?

    I assume they know those forecasts else they wouldn't be there.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 16:31

    Afternoon all, thank crunchy it's Friday! :D

    Absolutely :)

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:33

    REading about the Perez test in the 2009 Ferrari, I think it's the only reason Massa has been kept on. Ferrari believe Perez isn't ready yet [or Bianchi, certainly]

  • Lukeh16/09/2011 at 16:36

    Afternoon all, I greet you with much PINGage - put together this post for anyone interested in F1 2011:

    http://gridwalktalk.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/formula-1-2011-the-online-reviews/

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 16:39

    Interesting to see Randy Bernard on Twitter now @RBINDYCAR.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:40

    Hey Lukeh

    I thought of you when I saw this T-shirt earlier

  • Lukeh16/09/2011 at 16:41

    I thought of you when I saw this T-shirt earlier

    love it!! :)

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 16:41

    The point I was making is that you cannot say the situation as it is now and assume that it will stay broadly the same. On that basis the plant should be as it was before it was damaged.

    so why haven't any f1 drivers mad the same fuss?

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:43

    I assume they know those forecasts else they wouldn't be there.

    No-one can forecast earthquakes. It's a bit like terrorist attacks. You carry on because the option is to dig a big hole somewhere and stock it full of everything you need for the rest of your life

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:44

    I thought of you when I saw this T-shirt earlier

    Prosperous long life? Couldn't they afford the proper phrase?

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:45

    so why haven't any f1 drivers mad the same fuss?

    Because they are not going to Motegi and they have no concept of an earth-shattering event that does not involve them

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:46

    Prosperous long life? Couldn't they afford the proper phrase?

    It's probably trademarked

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 16:46

    I thought of you when I saw this T-shirt earlier

    Saw this one the other day:

    http://shirtoid.com/45467/han-sulu/

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:46

    It's probably trademarked

    That is what I thought

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:47

    Saw this one the other day:

    I like that

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 16:48

    so why haven't any f1 drivers mad the same fuss?

    Suzuka is much further away

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:48

    I thought of you when I saw this T-shirt earlier

    Saw this one the other day:

    http://shirtoid.com/45467/han-sulu/

    :D

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 16:49

    Oh dear.... Are you talking about how I probably glow in the dark? I've grown up next to Sellafield.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:50

    Oh dear.... Are you talking about how I probably glow in the dark? I've grown up next to Sellafield.

    Maybe it's rubbed off on Nick and that's actually what makes him think that way. Would explain a lot

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 16:51

    Maybe it's rubbed off on Nick and that's actually what makes him think that way. Would explain a lot

    Don't blame Nick on me? He's always been like that!

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:51

    Don't blame Nick on me? He's always been like that!

    :D

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:54

    Don't blame Nick on me? He's always been like that!

    Bring back the happy hyper Alison

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 16:55

    Suzuka is much further away

    as is always the case, if rossi or others didn't want to go there would be queue's of people willing to go for them. unless an event is cancelled drivers drive.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:56

    as is always the case, if rossi or others didn't want to go there would be queue's of people willing to go for them. unless an event is cancelled drivers drive.

    I thought Suzuka was standing in for Motegi this year

    [sorry if this has been discussed already]

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 16:57

    Bring back the happy hyper Alison

    I am happy! :D

    It's just the idea that I could have any control over whatever Nick's been coming out with is ridiculous!! :P

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:58

    as is always the case, if rossi or others didn't want to go there would be queue's of people willing to go for them. unless an event is cancelled drivers drive.

    It goes back to what Keke Rosberg said and is still unrepeatable here.

    Of course that only applies when Niki Lauda is not there to take control. He knew how to make a drivers strike work

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 16:58

    It's just the idea that I could have any control over whatever Nick's been coming out with is ridiculous!! :P

    WAs just a theory. Made more sense than him being like that naturally :)

    #SorryNick

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 16:58

    Of course that only applies when Niki Lauda is not there to take control. He knew how to make a drivers strike work

    in his day. never again.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:58

    I thought Suzuka was standing in for Motegi this year

    That was discussed I think

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 16:59

    #SorryNick

    Awwww he's nice really ♥

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 16:59

    I am happy! :D

    Good

    It's just the idea that I could have any control over whatever Nick's been coming out with is ridiculous!! :P

    You can't control him when he is so far away

  • Sidepodcast Classics16/09/2011 at 17:00

    Enjoy a little something from the Sidepodcast back catalogue.

    - Parc Ferme

    Originally published 10 December 2008.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 17:00

    Awwww he's nice really ♥

    I know, I jest

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 17:00

    in his day. never again.

    Because he took control and didn't give the drivers a choice. He called a meeting and organised the bus to take them there. Once they were in the hotel away from the track he locked the door

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 17:01

    I thought Suzuka was standing in for Motegi this year

    Not MotoGP, they refused to go back after Daijiro Kato died there.

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 17:01

    You can't control him when he is so far away

    You don't understand Steven. There's no keeping it in.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 17:01

    Not MotoGP, they refused to go back after Daijiro Kato died there.

    There was talk of it being re-certified

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 17:02

    Because he took control and didn't give the drivers a choice. He called a meeting and organised the bus to take them there. Once they were in the hotel away from the track he locked the door

    i know.

    you think lewis is going in to a meeting without mclaren's say so? you think massa is going anywhere without approval for rob? wouldn't happen in this day and age. it couldn't happen in this day and age.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 17:02

    you think lewis is going in to a meeting without mclaren's say so? you think massa is going anywhere without approval for rob? wouldn't happen in this day and age. it couldn't happen in this day and age.

    Valid point

  • Marti16/09/2011 at 17:13

    I am going to say 'hello' with a picture: http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9200000/Happy-Friday-garfield-9223014-240-343.gif

    Week-end has arrived. Wooohooo!

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 17:23

    Hi Marti

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 17:31

    you think lewis is going in to a meeting without mclaren's say so? you think massa is going anywhere without approval for rob? wouldn't happen in this day and age. it couldn't happen in this day and age.

    No way it will happen now. Besides now they feel invincible and have more money than they could ever imagine. Even the guys at the back of the grid live in Monaco.

    Besides Lauda's dispute was to stop drivers being tied to teams and now they won't leave the teams and Christine has to write posts about technical people moving teams

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 17:57

    Besides Lauda's dispute was to stop drivers being tied to teams and now they won't leave the teams and Christine has to write posts about technical people moving teams

    heh.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 18:39

    if you have the very latest chrome (out today), have a play with this: http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/shiny-drum-machine.html

    the effects are brilliant.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 18:45

    if you have the very latest chrome (out today), have a play with this: chromium.googleco…drum-machine.html

    I will try that later. I am currently hooked on a curling game from the Chrome app store

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 18:50

    I will try that later. I am currently hooked on a curling game from the Chrome app store

    heh.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 18:54

    i thought for a second nico had a fan called bingbing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbORGUnWUU

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 19:02

    Pink Floyd night on BBC Four, from 9:30

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 19:04

    Alternatively, Milton Jones is on Dave at 10. Funny man

  • Lukeh16/09/2011 at 19:05

    Pink Floyd night on BBC Four, from 9:30

    :O

    awesome!!

  • RG16/09/2011 at 19:25

    Something I've wrote on F1.... http://northernwaffler.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/sixth-sense/

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 19:59

    Proof that F1 has gone weird. Competition between teams is supposed to be cutthroat. Fighting for every tiny advantage.

    McLaren are designing Renault's new simulator. Since when could Renault afford McLaren?

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94571

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 20:17

    Evening folks

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 20:18

    Nice to see Randy Bernard on Twitter. He has instantly garnered (my) Tweet of the Week with this:

    http://twitter.com/#!/RBINDYCAR/status/114677844851961856/photo/1

    :)

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 20:29

    Alternatively, Milton Jones is on Dave at 10. Funny man

    GRRRR!!!

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 20:51

    GRRRR!!!

    Not a fan?

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 20:52

    Not a fan?

    Definitely not! I can't stand the man. Dodgy pun overload!

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 20:53

    Definitely not! I can't stand the man. Dodgy pun overload!

    That's what I think of Tim Vine but Milton works in my book

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 20:54

    McLaren are designing Renault's new simulator. Since when could Renault afford McLaren?

    I thought that was weird too. McLaren seem to be pimping their services to all and sundry these days

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 20:57

    I thought that was weird too. McLaren seem to be pimping their services to all and sundry these days

    Focus. Less distractions, more speed on the silver things

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 20:57

    That's what I think of Tim Vine but Milton works in my book

    He makes my blood boil. I just can't stand it at all.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 20:59

    He makes my blood boil. I just can't stand it at all.

    That's a strong reaction. I only get that with the likes of Jordan or Katona

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:01

    I thought that was weird too. McLaren seem to be pimping their services to all and sundry these days

    That way the people are not on the team's headcount. Plus what they learn building the Renault sim is cycled back into the McLaren one

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 21:02

    That's a strong reaction. I only get that with the likes of Jordan or Katona

    I can't help it. It's like AAAARGH!

  • Lukeh16/09/2011 at 21:03

    Kinda odd seeing richard wright speaking on the pink floyd stuff.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:04

    That way the people are not on the team's headcount. Plus what they learn building the Renault sim is cycled back into the McLaren one

    A certain sanity I suppose

  • Amy16/09/2011 at 21:06

    i am up at 7am on holiday! I have stayed in this hotel before but i forgot it sounds like there is a motorway right outside. Todays shopping mission, earplugs.

  • Lukeh16/09/2011 at 21:08

    Kinda odd seeing richard wright speaking on the pink floyd stuff.

    also Nick Mason's interviewey bits are in his garage with his F1 stuff :)

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 21:08

    i am up at 7am on holiday! I have stayed in this hotel before but i forgot it sounds like there is a motorway right outside. Todays shopping mission, earplugs.

    Oh dear!

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:10

    i am up at 7am on holiday! I have stayed in this hotel before but i forgot it sounds like there is a motorway right outside. Todays shopping mission, earplugs.

    Say hi to George St for me. Pop over to Manly, it's nice there

  • Amy16/09/2011 at 21:12

    Say hi to George St for me. Pop over to Manly, it's nice there

    not enough time :( I'll say hi to George st for you though, I'm heading there soon to buy batteries :D

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:14

    Proof that F1 has gone weird. Competition between teams is supposed to be cutthroat. Fighting for every tiny advantage.

    McLaren are designing Renault's new simulator. Since when could Renault afford McLaren?

    www.autosport.com…port.php/id/94571

    WHAT?!?

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:14

    not enough time :( I'll say hi to George st for you though, I'm heading there soon to buy batteries :D

    Woolies opposite town hall :)

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:15

    WHAT?!?

    I want my F1 back.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:16

    I want my F1 back.

    first the ecu, now the simulator... it's a mclaren spec series!

    *speechless*

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:18

    Proof that F1 has gone weird.

    The biggest proof is the line "Boullier has also said his team is on the verge of extending its engine partnership with Renault"

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:20

    I want my F1 back.

    I think we need an analogue resurgence

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:20

    The biggest proof is the line "Boullier has also said his team is on the verge of extending its engine partnership with Renault"

    hehe. he said earlier in the week he'd considered cosworth. sounded like blackmail though.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:20

    first the ecu, now the simulator... it's a mclaren spec series!

    Standard engines, standard Tilke tracks etc etc and what worries you is all the teams will have the same simulators?

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:21

    first the ecu, now the simulator... it's a mclaren spec series!

    Where are the knives at dawn?

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:21

    The biggest proof is the line "Boullier has also said his team is on the verge of extending its engine partnership with Renault"

    Red Bull are the 'manufacturer team' now. Free engines

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:21

    Focus. Less distractions, more speed on the silver things

    McLaren is a big company (far, far larger than their F1 operation) - I'm sure they can handle it.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:21

    Red Bull are the 'manufacturer team' now. Free engines

    williams, surely?

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:22

    Standard engines, standard Tilke tracks etc etc and what worries you is all the teams will have the same simulators?

    could just run the SKY-only races on the simulators then

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:22

    Red Bull are the 'manufacturer team' now. Free engines

    That was referenced all last weekend following the announcement of the engine deal with Red Bull

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:22

    williams, surely?

    Not according to AUTOSPORT

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:23

    could just run the SKY-only races on the simulators then

    I think iRacing have that market cornered

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:23

    williams, surely?

    I mean, lead team for Renault engines. What's that called?

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:23

    williams, surely?

    Why?

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:23

    I think we need an analogue resurgence

    The teams have cars they can't afford to run but they can hand the opposing teams piles of ten million dollar notes to make them a computer toy?

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:23

    Red Bull are the 'manufacturer team' now. Free engines

    red bull may be the focus for the company but i don't think they're a free supply

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:24

    Where are the knives at dawn?

    Exactly my point

  • Amy16/09/2011 at 21:25

    Woolies opposite town hall :)

    bingo

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:25

    Why?

    because renault get no PR from red bull. williams-renault comes with nostalgia and williams aren't running infiniti logos on their rear wings.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:27

    Looks like we are reaching the end of the era where F1 was run for Bernie's benefit into the era where the main beneficiary is Ron Dennis. Max will be pleased

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:27

    because renault get no PR from red bull. williams-renault comes with nostalgia and williams aren't running infiniti logos on their rear wings.

    Good point

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:28

    because renault get no PR from red bull. williams-renault comes with nostalgia and williams aren't running infiniti logos on their rear wings.

    I understand the lack of PR from Red Bull, but I don't see how Williams helps. For a start, they're nowhere and secondly I doubt casual fans would ever know about the old Williams Renault

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:28

    because renault get no PR from red bull. williams-renault comes with nostalgia and williams aren't running infiniti logos on their rear wings.

    Always wanted one of those Williams special edition Clios or Meganes..

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:28

    Looks like we are reaching the end of the era where F1 was run for Bernie's benefit into the era where the main beneficiary is Ron Dennis. Max will be pleased

    heh!

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:28

    because renault get no PR from red bull. williams-renault comes with nostalgia and williams aren't running infiniti logos on their rear wings.

    Neither will they be winning anytime soon

    Let's see if the Infiniti logos are as evident next year

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:29

    I understand the lack of PR from Red Bull, but I don't see how Williams helps. For a start, they're nowhere and secondly I doubt casual fans would ever know about the old Williams Renault

    nonsense, there are people who still think JPS sponsor an f1 team (even before renault this year). nostalgia lives.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:30

    Looks like we are reaching the end of the era where F1 was run for Bernie's benefit into the era where the main beneficiary is Ron Dennis. Max will be pleased

    :)

    ECU deals for Indy and NASCAR too. SkyNet of racing, he could bring down the whole system*.

    *there is no way he could bring down the whole system

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:30

    Neither will they be winning anytime soon

    i'll put £10 on the renault logo being bigger on the williams chassis next year than it will be on the red bull. what say you?

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:31

    nonsense, there are people who still think JPS sponsor an f1 team (even before renault this year). nostalgia lives.

    Those people aren't really watching, they are looking at pictures in the Metro on the way to work

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:31

    i'll put £10 on the renault logo being bigger on the williams chassis next year than it will be on the red bull. what say you?

    wrong quote:

    Let's see if the Infiniti logos are as evident next year

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:31

    I understand the lack of PR from Red Bull, but I don't see how Williams helps. For a start, they're nowhere and secondly I doubt casual fans would ever know about the old Williams Renault

    In this country at least there are a ton of people who aren't dedicated F1 fans, but who paid attention when Mansell and Hill were around, who know exactly what a Williams Renault was.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:32

    Those people aren't really watching, they are looking at pictures in the Metro on the way to work

    doesn't matter. renault want to sell a road car with a williams badge on it.

    they do not want to sell a road car with a red bull logo on it.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:32

    i'll put £10 on the renault logo being bigger on the williams chassis next year than it will be on the red bull. what say you?

    As one crashes out and the other is 11th

    If a smaller logo wins the race, who'll be happier?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:32

    Always wanted one of those Williams special edition Clios or Meganes..

    bingo.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:33

    Renault can still claim to have won the last two championships soon, even if RBR don't want to say so

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:33

    nonsense, there are people who still think JPS sponsor an f1 team (even before renault this year). nostalgia lives.

    I disagree. Again I only think it's older / more knowledgeable F1 fans that know the JPS connection to Lotus - doubtful many casual / new knew of it, in the same new fans had never heard of Senna

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:33

    i'll put £10 on the renault logo being bigger on the williams chassis next year than it will be on the red bull. what say you?

    Definitely

    I wouldn't be surprised if Renault were putting more money into Williams than Renault

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:35

    doesn't matter. renault want to sell a road car with a williams badge on it.

    The people they are marketing such a car at won't see the value in a road Renault Williams. The caché was there because theywere champions together

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:36

    Renault can still claim to have won the last two championships soon, even if RBR don't want to say so

    Does their contract allow that?

    Infiniti / Nissan / Renault is all the same company so I guess they want one clear message coming out. I just don't understand why Red Bull want to be associated with Inifinitis / Infinitii rather than Clios / Meganes etc

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:36

    because renault get no PR from red bull. williams-renault comes with nostalgia and williams aren't running infiniti logos on their rear wings.

    but renault is as evident with red bull now as it was with williams, so i don't really buy that

    either Red Bull-Renault are good PR or everyone only really remembers Williams and not the engine behind them

    For me, Williams is associated with Honda anyway!

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:36

    I disagree. Again I only think it's older / more knowledgeable F1 fans that know the JPS connection to Lotus - doubtful many casual / new knew of it, in the same new fans had never heard of Senna

    we disagree then.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:37

    Infiniti / Nissan / Renault is all the same company so I guess they want one clear message coming out. I just don't understand why Red Bull want to be associated with Inifinitis / Infinitii rather than Clios / Meganes etc

    Infiniti is Nissans premium brand, they just never made it to the standard Lexus have achieved despite being there first. Maybe it's Renault/Nissan's preference to have it that way

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:38

    but renault is as evident with red bull now as it was with williams, so i don't really buy that

    where on the red bull is the any renault branding? maybe the engine cover? the bit the people cover up on the grid...

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:38

    I disagree. Again I only think it's older / more knowledgeable F1 fans that know the JPS connection to Lotus - doubtful many casual / new knew of it, in the same new fans had never heard of Senna

    There are people who know nothing about F1 who knew about JPS. In the 70s and early 80s there were loads of road cars (mainly slightly fast Fords) painted in JPS because the F1 colour scheme was so popular. THe posters of the Lotus 72 was massively popular. My English teacher had one on his wall. Fittipaldi in a 72. I am sure that mug thought it was a Ferrari.

    JPS was huge

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:39

    JPS was huge

    Incredibly

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:39

    nonsense, there are people who still think JPS sponsor an f1 team (even before renault this year). nostalgia lives.

    I disagree. Again I only think it's older / more knowledgeable F1 fans that know the JPS connection to Lotus - doubtful many casual / new knew of it, in the same new fans had never heard of Senna

    I disagree with both of you. It's an iconic livery and everyone calls it the JPS livery. But john player's profile is so low these days it's easy to think they went the same way as the original livery

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:40

    Infiniti is Nissans premium brand, they just never made it to the standard Lexus have achieved despite being there first. Maybe it's Renault/Nissan's preference to have it that way

    Red Bull is so protective of the image of their brand though. I can understand what is in it for Infiniti but with all the cool cars in the world why is Red Bull associating itself with grandad's slippers?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:41

    Red Bull is so protective of the image of their brand though. I can understand what is in it for Infiniti but with all the cool cars in the world why is Red Bull associating itself with grandad's slippers?

    http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/09/16/video-at-frankfurt-motor-show-infiniti-fx-sebastian-vettel-ver/

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:41

    Red Bull is so protective of the image of their brand though. I can understand what is in it for Infiniti but with all the cool cars in the world why is Red Bull associating itself with grandad's slippers?

    $$$

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:42

    The people they are marketing such a car at won't see the value in a road Renault Williams. The caché was there because theywere champions together

    You may be thinking too short term. I think the change from Cosworth to Renault alone will be worth a couple of rows on the grid. And then a part of me suspects they had to compromise the car to make up for the duff engine, so with a good engine they can iron that out. Not saying they'll go for a title but back into solid points is good enough.

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:42

    where on the red bull is the any renault branding? maybe the engine cover? the bit the people cover up on the grid...

    ask people what engine red bull use - how many do you think will guess infiniti?

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:44

    You may be thinking too short term. I think the change from Cosworth to Renault alone will be worth a couple of rows on the grid. And then a part of me suspects they had to compromise the car to make up for the duff engine, so with a good engine they can iron that out. Not saying they'll go for a title but back into solid points is good enough.

    Cos it worked for Lotus?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:44

    ask people what engine red bull use - how many do you think will guess infiniti?

    it's on the back wing, where the engine name traditionally goes. i would imagine every casual fan watching this year will say infiniti.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:44

    either Red Bull-Renault are good PR or everyone only really remembers Williams and not the engine behind them

    When I think of Red Bull I don't think of either Renault or Infiniti, their own brand supercedes all. To be honest I kind of get the same with Cosworth at Williams, sort of invisible, but we wouldn't get that at all with Williams, at least if Renault activate the marketing that way. They could make this a big deal, if they want to.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:44

    $$$

    No way. They spend $2 billion of their profits every year on sponsoring sports. Renault/Nissan/Infiniti could hand Dietrich their companies and it would not give him enough $$$$ to make it worth harming his brand

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:45

    Infiniti is Nissans premium brand, they just never made it to the standard Lexus have achieved despite being there first. Maybe it's Renault/Nissan's preference to have it that way

    Lexus were over here first though? Infiniti may have been around longer but only in places where F1 isn't big. This is as much for Infiniti to get awareness outside the US.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:45

    No way. They spend $2 billion of their profits every year on sponsoring sports. Renault/Nissan/Infiniti could hand Dietrich their companies and it would not give him enough $$$$ to make it worth harming his brand

    The mothership does, not the F1 department.

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:45

    Infiniti is Nissans premium brand, they just never made it to the standard Lexus have achieved despite being there first. Maybe it's Renault/Nissan's preference to have it that way

    Infiniti build road cars???

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:45

    You may be thinking too short term. I think the change from Cosworth to Renault alone will be worth a couple of rows on the grid. And then a part of me suspects they had to compromise the car to make up for the duff engine, so with a good engine they can iron that out. Not saying they'll go for a title but back into solid points is good enough.

    Look what happened to Brawn when they dumped the Honda and put in the Merc

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:45

    Infiniti build road cars???

    For years

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:46

    ask people what engine red bull use - how many do you think will guess infiniti?

    None. Most people have no idea. Or think it has a Red Bull engine

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:46

    Infiniti build road cars???

    yes. vettel's road car/van.

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 21:46

    Look what happened to Brawn when they dumped the Honda and put in the Merc

    True story.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:46

    Cos it worked for Lotus?

    It did. Without Renault they'd be tooling around with MVRs or HRTs and they are now often a lap ahead of them.

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:47

    For years

    Never knew. I thought they were just a low cost engine builder.

    yes. vettel's road car/van.

    Yeah, but who's going to pay attention to that?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:47

    Cos it worked for Lotus?

    their 2nd year in f1 compared to williams' decades.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:47

    Infiniti build road cars???

    That is kind of their day job

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:47

    there isn't nearly such a strong nostalgia link with a team that has won races powered by ford, honda and bmw as well as renault

    lotus renault works because they're tapping in on the strong livery associated with the combo that's practically a brand in itself

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:48

    it's on the back wing, where the engine name traditionally goes. i would imagine every casual fan watching this year will say infiniti.

    Only if they've heard of Infiniti, and not many people over here have. It could be any random sponsor with a slightly odd name, there are plenty of those painted on F1 cars. Casual fans have no idea what usually goes where. In any case the engine name traditionally goes on the engine cover, the back wing was for Marlboro or Camel or whatever, 'til the ciggies were removed.

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:48

    That is kind of their day job

    Didn't know. Beyond their short stint in the IRL, I'd never heard of them. Thought they were just another "Supertec"

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:49

    lotus renault works because they're tapping in on the strong livery associated with the combo that's practically a brand in itself

    right, but they're being renamed caterham. or you mean the other team?

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:49

    Look what happened to Brawn when they dumped the Honda and put in the Merc

    With fast acres of Honda cash to build the best car in history.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:50

    Didn't know. Beyond their short stint in the IRL, I'd never heard of them. Thought they were just another "Supertec"

    Infiniti are bigger in the US or Japan than Europe

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:50

    Infiniti build road cars???

    And not with evocative names like Testarossa or Murcialago or any of that Italian nonsense. Their range is G / M / EX / FX. I think they need an imagination consultant

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:50

    right, but they're being renamed caterham. or you mean the other team?

    Yeah, I guess Tony has other fish to fry now

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:51

    Yeah, I guess Tony has other fish to fry now

    i know that. but the name is worthless to renault as a marketing tool.

  • RG16/09/2011 at 21:51

    And not with evocative names like Testarossa or Murcialago or any of that Italian nonsense. Their range is G / M / EX / FX. I think they need an imagination consultant

    You would have thought with a name like Infiniti there would be limitless possibilities.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:51

    And not with evocative names like Testarossa or Murcialago or any of that Italian nonsense. Their range is G / M / EX / FX. I think they need an imagination consultant

    Their range starts with G and M..

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:51

    With fast acres of Honda cash to build the best car in history.

    Maybe but I bet it would have been rubbish with the Honda engine

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:52

    And not with evocative names like Testarossa or Murcialago or any of that Italian nonsense. Their range is G / M / EX / FX. I think they need an imagination consultant

    they took a formula 1 world champions name and gave it to a bloated SUV. they need more than imagination.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:52

    You would have thought with a name like Infiniti there would be limitless possibilities.

    :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 21:52

    Their range starts with G and M..

    "Great and" "Mega"

    :)

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:53

    You would have thought with a name like Infiniti there would be limitless possibilities.

    We haven't had one of these in ages but you deserve it for that

    http://instantrimshot.com/

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 21:53

    it's on the back wing, where the engine name traditionally goes. i would imagine every casual fan watching this year will say infiniti.

    these casual fans are familiar with rear wing advertising traditions but not engine suppliers? :-)

    do they think Hispania's engine supplier is "this could be you"?

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:53

    i know that. but the name is worthless to renault as a marketing tool.

    I don't agree. Powered by Renault goes a long way. Whether it's large on the car or not, it seeps in almost subliminally. We analyse these things a lot, most consumers do not

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:53

    Their range starts with G and M..

    Sesame Street Autos

  • Lukeh16/09/2011 at 21:53

    Suddenly Windows 8 makes sense...

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:55

    they took a formula 1 world champions name and gave it to a bloated SUV. they need more than imagination.

    A 24 year old champion. The car is more suitable for Schumacher. Not as good as they think it is and not likely to get any better

  • RG16/09/2011 at 21:55
  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 21:56

    Their range starts with G and M..

    Sesame Street Autos

    Also a very large competitor

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 21:56

    they took a formula 1 world champions name and gave it to a bloated SUV. they need more than imagination.

    A 24 year old champion. The car is more suitable for Schumacher. Not as good as they think it is and not likely to get any better

    My guess is Seb had minimal input into that PR exercise. SUV's aren't selling like they used to, quick - call that finger guy who's been talking about that stuff

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:57

    I don't agree. Powered by Renault goes a long way. Whether it's large on the car or not, it seeps in almost subliminally. We analyse these things a lot, most consumers do not

    okay, caterham, powered by renault is something. it's not williams-renault though, no way. no how.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:58

    My guess is Seb had minimal input into that PR exercise.

    No way Horner is going to let him get distracted playing around with the design of road cars

  • RubberGoat16/09/2011 at 21:58

    Jalopnik quotes Joe Saward: http://jalopnik.com/5840611/colin-chapmans-simple-and-chilling-definition-of-a-formula-one-race-car

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 21:59

    Mr C

    That drum machine won't load properly now. I am sure it when you first linked to it but I have 6 little swirly things on the bottom row that never load

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 21:59

    Jalopnik quotes Joe Saward: jalopnik.com/5840…mula-one-race-car

    joe has created a niche for himself, explaining the unexplainable bits about f1.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:00

    That drum machine won't load properly now. I am sure it when you first linked to it but I have 6 little swirly things on the bottom row that never load

    overloaded maybe. it's the demo of the day.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:00

    okay, caterham, powered by renault is something. it's not williams-renault though, no way. no how.

    Tell that to the marketing department when they justify their budget based on air time. Results pay, good as your last race and all that

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:02

    okay, caterham, powered by renault is something. it's not williams-renault though, no way. no how.

    Are Renault going to do a deal to supply Caterham (car company) with engines?

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:02

    overloaded maybe. it's the demo of the day.

    Maybe

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:02

    Are Renault going to do a deal to supply Caterham (car company) with engines?

    Tony likes to mingle his brands, who knows

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 22:03

    Are Renault going to do a deal to supply Caterham (car company) with engines?

    would be a shrewd deal if the team name changes

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:03

    Tony likes to mingle his brands, who knows

    QPR players get Caterhams as company cars

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:03

    QPR players get Caterhams as company cars

    well tehys hould

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:03

    Tell that to the marketing department when they justify their budget based on air time. Results pay, good as your last race and all that

    i don't need to tell anyone. renault know what they're doing. i'm happy to sit back and watch.

    i think a williams badge on a renault road car is very likely. i do not think you will see a redbull badge on there, nor a caterham badge.

    as far as i'm concerned, that make williams a key player in renault's plans. time will tell.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:04

    Are Renault going to do a deal to supply Caterham (car company) with engines?

    I imagine a special Caterham-Renault car. The thing with Caterham is that you can get all sorts of engines in them. Only having one engine supplier is not an option.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:04

    QPR players get Caterhams as company cars

    That would be a shock to their systems

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:06

    as far as i'm concerned, that make williams a key player in renault's plans. time will tell.

    I think podiums will do that and nothing more but you are right, time will tell

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:08

    as far as i'm concerned, that make williams a key player in renault's plans. time will tell.

    I agree, but we might not see it for a couple of years. Year one is bedding in.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:09

    as far as i'm concerned, that make williams a key player in renault's plans. time will tell.

    I agree, but we might not see it for a couple of years. Year one is bedding in.

    if they do, i want one :)

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:09

    out of interest, how useful is the williams flywheel(s) to renault for road car adoption?

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:10

    out of interest, how useful is the williams flywheel(s) to renault for road car adoption?

    Renault do like new tech in their road cars so I bet they'll take a look.

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 22:12

    I imagine a special Caterham-Renault car. The thing with Caterham is that you can get all sorts of engines in them. Only having one engine supplier is not an option.

    Not in Aust. It's ford or nothing (through the official channels anyway)

    www.caterhamcars.com.au

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:14

    Renault do like new tech in their road cars so I bet they'll take a look.

    hmm, new laguna already has kers: http://www.media.renault.com/global/en-gb/renault/Media/PressRelease.aspx?mediaid=29517

    This system enables the kinetic energy generated when a vehicle decelerates or brakes to be recovered. This energy, which is customarily dissipated in the form of heat via the brake discs, is recovered via the alternator and stored in the battery.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:15

    This system enables the kinetic energy generated when a vehicle decelerates or brakes to be recovered. This energy, which is customarily dissipated in the form of heat via the brake discs, is recovered via the alternator and stored in the battery.

    BMW have had that for about 2 years but it good to see it being filtered down to the mainstream brands

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:15

    out of interest, how useful is the williams flywheel(s) to renault for road car adoption?

    No idea

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:16

    I imagine a special Caterham-Renault car. The thing with Caterham is that you can get all sorts of engines in them. Only having one engine supplier is not an option.

    Not in Aust. It's ford or nothing (through the official channels anyway)

    www.caterhamcars.com.au

    Hi Jeremy. I think Steven means 'potentially'

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:16

    This system enables the kinetic energy generated when a vehicle decelerates or brakes to be recovered. This energy, which is customarily dissipated in the form of heat via the brake discs, is recovered via the alternator and stored in the battery.

    Total waste of time

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 22:16

    out of interest, how useful is the williams flywheel(s) to renault for road car adoption?

    Would compliment a 'shutdown the engine when stopped at traffic lights' system that seems to becoming popular. Move the car away from standstill on flywheel stored energy, then the engine kicks in

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:16

    BMW have had that for about 2 years but it good to see it being filtered down to the mainstream brands

    was thinking renault needed a solution, but they're more advanced than that.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:17

    was thinking renault needed a solution, but they're more advanced than that.

    A solution to...?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:17

    Total waste of time

    renault disagrees.

    The CO2 emissions and fuel consumption of diesel versions of Renault

    Laguna have been slashed.

    i know nothing to argue either way. i do know that EU requirements are killing manufacturers though.

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:18

    was thinking renault needed a solution, but they're more advanced than that.

    A solution to...?

    kers on their road cars.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:18

    Hi Jeremy. I think Steven means 'potentially'

    I am surprised only one manufacturer's engine is an option. What do Holden fans do?

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 22:18

    A solution to...?

    The marketing problem of saving the planet without actually doing anything meaningful :D

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:19

    I am surprised only one manufacturer's engine is an option. What do Holden fans do?

    By Utes with Mags

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:19

    *buy

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 22:20

    I am surprised only one manufacturer's engine is an option. What do Holden fans do?

    It can't be too hard to shoe in a 6.2 Litre V8 can it? Chewing gum and (hay) baling wire will hold it together. It's the Australian way :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 22:21

    Great possibility that IndyCar may prove slower than Formula Nippon cars when it comes to qualifying / race pace. Oh dear (and thankfully, this is the last of the old car)

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 22:22

    Buy Utes with Mags

    I so NEED one of those, even though I'm not a macho Ute type guy. Computer nerds drive BMWs and WRXs over here

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 22:22

    I am surprised only one manufacturer's engine is an option. What do Holden fans do?

    ford is the only engine for factory built caterhams outside of australia too

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:22

    Evening lovely Sidepodians.

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 22:23

    Hi Kai,

    How's things?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:23

    I so NEED one of those, even though I'm not a macho Ute type guy. Computer nerds drive BMWs and WRXs over here

    no you don't, you need this: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/15/bentley-mulsanne-executive-interior-concept-frankfurt-2011/

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:23

    Best joke I heard in a while:

    The bartender says "We don't serve time travelers here."

    A guy walks into a bar.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:23

    Best joke I heard in a while:

    :D

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:23

    i know nothing to argue either way. i do know that EU requirements are killing manufacturers though.

    It depends on the duty cycle. How many of those kinds of cars in the UK are driven by reps etc on motorways where they brake once every half hour? They gain nothing from hauling all that extra weight around. At the same time they have a device fitted to their car for the specific purpose of venting heat energy to atmosphere.

    I am sure Bassano would know better than me but I think something like 50% of the fuel burnt that actually produces motion is burnt purely to produce heat. That is if you look at the energy produced by an engine a percentage of that is kinetic energy but something like 30% of the energy produced is heat. And these idiots are trying to recover a tiny amount of energy from braking while venting heat to atmosphere

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:24

    Great possibility that IndyCar may prove slower than Formula Nippon cars when it comes to qualifying / race pace. Oh dear (and thankfully, this is the last of the old car)

    4 seconds slower in practice despite having more horsepower

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:24

    By Utes with Mags

    :D

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:24

    It can't be too hard to shoe in a 6.2 Litre V8 can it? Chewing gum and (hay) baling wire will hold it together. It's the Australian way :)

    :D

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:24

    It depends on the duty cycle. How many of those kinds of cars in the UK are driven by reps etc on motorways where they brake once every half hour? They gain nothing from hauling all that extra weight around. At the same time they have a device fitted to their car for the specific purpose of venting heat energy to atmosphere.

    doesn't matter. renault have EU targets to meet for 2012 and that laguna meets them. that's all they have to do for next year.

  • Jeremy16/09/2011 at 22:24

    no you don't, you need this: www.autoblog.com/…t-frankfurt-2011/

    I did think that should be my company supplied car when I saw it. I'd be too busy driving it! Maybe I should be a chauffeur?

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:25

    Evening lovely Sidepodians.

    Ciao

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:25

    How's things?

    Things are going really well, I've just been going to sleep super early each night 'cause these kids are fun but wearing me out.

    I'm just not used to all this working and stuff. ;)

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:25

    ford is the only engine for factory built caterhams outside of australia too

    Times have changed then.

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 22:25

    4 seconds slower in practice despite having more horsepower

    First running, so they'll shave time off that, but not enough to be faster.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:25

    Evening lovely Sidepodians.

    Hello. Assuming I am one of the lovely ones :)

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 22:25

    I am sure Bassano would know better than me but I think something like 50% of the fuel burnt that actually produces motion is burnt purely to produce heat. That is if you look at the energy produced by an engine a percentage of that is kinetic energy but something like 30% of the energy produced is heat. And these idiots are trying to recover a tiny amount of energy from braking while venting heat to atmosphere

    you're being optimistic with your estimates of efficiency - reverse them (and get them to add to 100% while you're at it :-P )

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:26

    Best joke I heard in a while:

    The bartender says "We don't serve time travelers here."

    A guy walks into a bar.

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:26

    I did think that should be my company supplied car when I saw it. I'd be too busy driving it! Maybe I should be a chauffeur?

    That's a SidepodMobile if ever I saw one!

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:26

    That's a SidepodMobile if ever I saw one!

    i imagine on the outside it says "designed by christine".

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:27

    Hello. Assuming I am one of the lovely ones :)

    :D

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:27

    i know nothing to argue either way. i do know that EU requirements are killing manufacturers though.

    People not buying new cars are killing manufacturers

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:27

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    I'm so glad not to be geeking out and laughing so hard at that by myself! :lol:

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 22:27

    First running, so they'll shave time off that, but not enough to be faster.

    By the way, the Motegi road course looks pretty cool

    :)

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:28

    People not buying new cars are killing manufacturers

    not being allowed to sell a car in the first place is a bigger issue. kers helps solve that issue.

  • Mav16/09/2011 at 22:29

    Times have changed then.

    not really, they only had a few options in the 90's and it's been a single supplier rest of the time

    of course, you could get a kit car without an engine if you want

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:29

    I am sure Bassano would know better than me but I think something like 50% of the fuel burnt that actually produces motion is burnt purely to produce heat. That is if you look at the energy produced by an engine a percentage of that is kinetic energy but something like 30% of the energy produced is heat. And these idiots are trying to recover a tiny amount of energy from braking while venting heat to atmosphere

    Agreed, it's a political nonsense. Just like battery cars that take more energy to build than an oil burner can consume in 10 years

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:29

    I'm so glad not to be geeking out and laughing so hard at that by myself! :lol:

    I love jokes that take a long standing format and turn it on its head

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:30

    Agreed, it's a political nonsense. Just like battery cars that take more energy to build than an oil burner can consume in 10 years

    That scrappage scheme did more to harm the environment than anything else anyone does in the next ten years

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:31

    I love jokes that take a long standing format and turn it on its head

    :)

    That time travel thing just kills me! hehehe

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:34

    One of my favourite reverse jokes. Start at 2 min 45

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjE-DxjNgYM&NR=1

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:34

    I'm listening to the UK playlist I made when I got home in July. I wrote down the songs I heard as I traveled and put them together. It's making all sad and happy all at once.

    #nostalgic

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:35

    I'm listening to the UK playlist I made when I got home in July. I wrote down the songs I heard as I traveled and put them together. It's making all sad and happy all at once.

    Are you on Spotify or Last.fm, can you publish your playlist?

  • RG16/09/2011 at 22:35

    One of my favourite reverse jokes. Start at 2 min 45

    Worth watching the whole thing to be fair.

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:36

    Are you on Spotify or Last.fm, can you publish your playlist?

    iTunes

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:39

    That time travel thing just kills me! hehehe

    Before political correctness we used to have jokes about stupid Irishmen. My favourite one was about a posh Englishman and a stupid Irishman in a train carriage alone. The gent suggests to pass the time they ask each other questions with a cash forfeit to pass the time. The stupid Irishman says he is just a simple sole who has not had a privileged education so the penalty should reflect that. So the English gent says OK if you get a question wrong you pay a pound and if I get one you ask wrong I pay 10.

    So the stupid Irishman asks "What has 3 heads 8 legs and two tales?

    The posh Englishman says "I don't know. Here is you £10. Then asks what the answer was.

    The stupid Irishman says "I don't know either. Here's your pound"

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:40

    Worth watching the whole thing to be fair.

    Definitely but I just love that joke. I watched the whole thing recently again and I still didn't see it coming till Albert asked who it was

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:40

    iTunes

    How does one see your playlist?

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 22:41

    So the stupid Irishman asks "What has 3 heads 8 legs and two tales?

    The posh Englishman says "I don't know. Here is you £10. Then asks what the answer was.

    The stupid Irishman says "I don't know either. Here's your pound"

    :D

    Technically you can take the nationalities out of that and it's still funny.

  • RG16/09/2011 at 22:41

    Definitely but I just love that joke. I watched the whole thing recently again and I still didn't see it coming till Albert asked who it was

    Aye, was on over the summer. One of my favourite episodes as well, comic genius.

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:41

    How does one see your playlist?

    I haven't done that before, but I'm checkin' it out now.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:42

    Technically you can take the nationalities out of that and it's still funny.

    Yes. I was just showing another format basher

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:42

    Definitely but I just love that joke. I watched the whole thing recently again and I still didn't see it coming till Albert asked who it was

    :D Funny!

  • paul16/09/2011 at 22:42

    How does one see your playlist?

    Ping? Or whatever that thing is no one uses?

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:42

    One of my favourite reverse jokes. Start at 2 min 45

    www.youtube.com/w…-DxjNgYM&NR=1

    :) :) :)

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:42

    Technically you can take the nationalities out of that and it's still funny.

    hehehe

    Yes.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:42

    Technically you can take the nationalities out of that and it's still funny.

    Every nation has stupid jokes. The Italians make them about the Caribinieri [one of the many branches of police]

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:43

    Ping? Or whatever that thing is no one uses?

    That thing I keep trying to stop from...pinging when I'm buying songs?? I hate that flippin ping. Ping this, little pinging thing.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:43

    Worth watching the whole thing to be fair.

    Classic programme

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:43

    The stupid Irishman says "I don't know either. Here's your pound"

    :D

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:44

    Every nation has stupid jokes. The Italians make them about the Caribinieri [one of the many branches of police]

    The South Africans do them about van der Merwe. I have seen him drive and I think the jokes are a bit harsh :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 22:44

    Classic programme

    Am catching up with GT1 at the minute. I do love their archive

    :)

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:45

    Am catching up with GT1 at the minute. I do love their archive

    Does it go back to last year? People keep telling me it's great stuff so I want to watch it over the winter.

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 22:47

    Does it go back to last year? People keep telling me it's great stuff so I want to watch it over the winter.

    Not sure if 2010 is on it, but the archive is available via Daily Motion. As for the racing, I love it, I think it's great fun.

    Only problem is the two-month gap between the penultimate round and the final races.

    Anyway, the archive is here - http://www.dailymotion.com/GT1#videoId=xl0fxc

    :)

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:49

    The South Africans do them about van der Merwe. I have seen him drive and I think the jokes are a bit harsh :)

    Hah. :)

    Alan shouldn't be tooling around in the Medical Car.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:50

    Alan shouldn't be tooling around in the Medical Car.

    He should be in the DTM

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:51

    The South Africans do them about van der Merwe. I have seen him drive and I think the jokes are a bit harsh :)

    Is that why the guy in District 9 is called van der Merwe? He's a bit of an idiot to start with.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:52

    Is that why the guy in District 9 is called van der Merwe? He's a bit of an idiot to start with.

    Never heard of District 9 but yes

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 22:52

    Is that why the guy in District 9 is called van der Merwe? He's a bit of an idiot to start with.

    ooh, great catch. That is one of my fave movies.

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:53

    Never heard of District 9 but yes

    You need to watch when you have the opportunity. Very good film, indie Sci-Fi with a difference

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:54

    You need to watch when you have the opportunity. Very good film, indie Sci-Fi with a difference

    I will add it to my list

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 22:54

    You need to watch when you have the opportunity. Very good film, indie Sci-Fi with a difference

    Oh dear no. We are obviously very opposite people.

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 22:55

    Never heard of District 9 but yes

    Alien spaceship appears over Jo'burg and they need rescuing. Low budget in a good way, not the 'Hollywood style' alien film at all.

    Even though the background message was glaringly obvious (treatment of people) and I usually hate that sort of thing, I loved that film.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:56

    Oh dear no. We are obviously very opposite people.

    You are in a relationship with Nick. How much more confirmation do you need?

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 22:57

    You are in a relationship with Nick. How much more confirmation do you need?

    Why are you all picking on Nick this week? What did he do (now)?

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:57

    I will add it to my list

    Partly inspired by Cape Town's District Six. Neill Blomkamp's original short is Alive In Joburg. Also good

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:57

    Why are you all picking on Nick this week? What did he do (now)?

    I am joking. I am sure he has done nothing

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 22:58

    I am joking. I am sure he has done nothing

    Hah! I'm not all that sure.... :D

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 22:58

    Why are you all picking on Nick this week? What did he do (now)?

    Just this week?

    We love him really, he's just an easy target

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 22:59

    Hah! I'm not all that sure.... :D

    :D

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 22:59

    Hah! I'm not all that sure.... :D

    he hasn't annoyed anyone on twitter for months.

  • Alison16/09/2011 at 23:03

    he hasn't annoyed anyone on twitter for months.

    Bless.

  • Steven Roy16/09/2011 at 23:04

    he hasn't annoyed anyone on twitter for months.

    NICK!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bassano16/09/2011 at 23:07

    he hasn't annoyed anyone on twitter for months.

    The Internet has learned not to rise to the bait. Maybe someone put up a sign: Do Not Feed The Twyger

  • Mr C16/09/2011 at 23:13

    The Internet has learned not to rise to the bait. Maybe someone put up a sign: Do Not Feed The Twyger

    genius!!

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 23:14

    I just put on the Swedish radio station and they were talking about mmm mmm mmm mmm, and I was thinking "is he talking about Crash Test Dummies"? Then he said "Crash Test Dummies".

    So weird.

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 23:14

    I just put on the Swedish radio station and they were talking about mmm mmm mmm mmm, and I was thinking "is he talking about Crash Test Dummies"? Then he said "Crash Test Dummies".

    in English.

    Ok, I guess you had to be there. Here.

    Gah!

  • Pat W16/09/2011 at 23:15

    Ok, I guess you had to be there. Here.

    :)

    I haven't heard them in years.

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 23:17

    I haven't heard them in years.

    Me neither. Maybe it's one of those 'best of the 80's and 90's' stations, but I don't remember the Swedish for 80 or 90. :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 23:20

    Me neither. Maybe it's one of those 'best of the 80's and 90's' stations, but I don't remember the Swedish for 80 or 90. :)

    Well, it was 1994, so who knows? Maybe a general classics...?

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 23:21

    Well, it was 1994, so who knows? Maybe a general classics...?

    Probably. They then played Pink Floyd "Money"

  • Leigh O'Gorman16/09/2011 at 23:23

    Probably. They then played Pink Floyd "Money"

    Bog standard "Classic Rawk" then

  • Kai16/09/2011 at 23:24

    Bog standard "Classic Rawk" then

    yeah. Good thing I was listening for the language, not the music. :)