Hello fans of Friday and welcome to another daily filled with plenty of stuff here, there and everywhere to try and make your Friday a good day. Did you know that it was on this day in 1400 that the last native Welshman was announced as Prince Wales? Don’t you worry, Owain Glyndŵr, it won’t be long until I’m Prince of Wales. Although there’s a pub around the corner called the Prince of Wales, maybe that’s a more achievable target. Onto the links!
Then the Prince of Wales!
Paddock News
I Can Sing a (Pirelli) Rainbow – They’ve only been in F1 1 a year and they’re already looking to cause havoc by shaking up all the tyre colours in a multicoloured mayhem moment, like a 5 year old angry at not being allowed to use the felt tips. It is definitely as dramatic as that. But yes, Pirelli are looking out for ideas for next years tyres and the colours they should have. I’ll go mad if they decide to get rid of the blue Inters for the sake of Inter Milan’s blue and black kit. Although, what about the F1 tyre colour song?! Damn you Pirelli. Also, I keep typo’ing their name as ‘Pirlo’ – that’s the wrong Milan.
Bernie Ecclestone, truly the Master of Puppets – I still can’t believe this news. There’s been a few surreal headlines over the years but Metallica headlining an F1 Rocks gigs is definitely up there for me. I think someone told Lars how rich F1 is and he wanted more, damnit, more! Still, least it’s someone different instead of the bog standard Beyonce/Black Eyed Peas/N Doobityz/East 17/B*witched or whatever the heck they have at these gigs. I for one would like to see Max Boyce headline an F1 Rocks gig.
Elsewhere
T-Minus 7 Days and Counting... – It’s only 7 more days until the fantabulous F1 2011 is released on various consoles and I for one am just a little insy winsy ittie bit excited for it. As you can see on the link, expect plenty to read and watch today as not only is the first launch trailer for the game being released online today but also the fourth developer diary looking at the Season mode and how the Safety Car will be incorporated into the game. As well as that – from 2pm today the embargo will be released for the game’s reviews on gaming websites everywhere! How exciting. Bring on some virtual terrible driving. At least when I crash into everyone I can blame the Williams for being a bad car.
Give Up Doesn’t Exist in Alex Zanardi’s Vocabulary – It is impossible to not read the story of Alex Zanardi’s life since his horrific crash 10 years ago yesterday and not love this man to death. Honestly, the man is one of the most inspiration people I’ve witnessed over the years and this links shared about yesterday proves just how excellent Zanardi is. You definitely have to give it a read and find out about his plans for Paralympic success in London 2012. Pat’s also thinking of possibly heading down which is a wonderful idea. Who knew that one of the scariest crashes you could see, with Zanardi almost losing his life, could turn into a story like this? Totally inspirational.
He’s Jumped the Shark Twice! – This is totally unrelated to pretty much everything you’ll ever see but I’m so pleased that Henry Winkler was given an OBE yesterday, how awesome. I get that most people will see Henry and think of the Fonz, which is more than understandable, but for me he is the legendary Barry Zuckercorn from Arrested Development. But it’s not for his awesome acting, but instead because he’s a bit of a legend away from Hollywood too – going around the UK and showing kids that Dyslexia may be classed as a learning difficulty but it certainly isn’t a disability. He’s always seemed like a lovely chap, and I’m just delighted for him.
And Finally...
Oh, you want more? Ohh, go on then, it’s a Friday after all. Treat yourself to these little bits:
- Every wondered what the original concept Playstation controllers looked like? Of course you did! Thank goodness for evolution though, some of them just look... wrong. So wrong.
- This is actually one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen in terms of someone creating a little model airport world, wow! Look how well detailed the littlest bits of the airport is! Model stuff fascinates me far more than it should...
- If, like me, you are a big fan of the 21st century Lego that is Minecraft, you may be interested to know the 1.8 update is now available with a HUGE update of stuff. You must check it out!
- And now for the absolute worst and most blatent bit of football diving I’ve seen, deary me indeed. How on earth could anyone seriously think they’d not get away with that?!
I think that’ll do. Let’s wrap off another day of awesomeness with a decidedly awesome video thanks to the drumtastic nature of Dom Howard’s ability to drum and Chris Wolstenholme’s ability to Chris Wolstenholme. My brain can barely contain the dangerous levels of awesome that follows – enjoy, and I’ll see you in the comments!
They’ve only been in F1 1 a year and they’re already looking to cause havoc by shaking up all the tyre colours in a multicoloured mayhem moment, like a 5 year old angry at not being allowed to use the felt tips.
call me a cynic, but i'm wising up to pirelli now. everything they do has a PR agenda, they should be called PRelli.
next week - "we're rethinking the colour of rubber, let the fans decide!"
I for one would like to see Max Boyce headline an F1 Rocks gig.
no idea who that is, but if JV can't get a drive, surely he can get a headline gig?
Glow in the dark tyres? Pardon???
The minature airport is incredible.
That dive is worse than Rivaldo's
there was a rumour before the first night-race that they'd be needed. it didn't happen though didi it? singapore was way too bright.
:) :)
I thought they did that with the name colours already.
how about making the teams have team coloured tyres, but have it like the old days so their country's racing colours, Italy - red, Germany - silver, Britain - british racing green, france (is LRGP classes as french or malaysian this week?) - blue, rather than the sponsorship related liveries, i think that could make it interesting :P They are synthetic tyres after all, so there's not need for them to be just black :P
Okay, so this is a long post but I do hope you read it even if it is a skim-read. An endurance post for an endurance race. :) At least have a look at the photo and video links if not the boring old words.
PING - 6 Hours of Silverstone
http://toomuchracing.com/2011/09/16/attending-the-2011-6-hours-of-silverstone/
but where are the headlines?
what if there was a weekly lottery draw for tyre colours. ferrari would hope for red, but might get lotus green or williams blue for the weekend. it could be a thursday thing, a ratings and headline winner...
Now I read the Pirelli link, they've now changed their minds about qualifying tyres
Who would watch?
i ask the same thing about free practice this year, but the beeb keep streaming it :)
Or national flags:
http://mytyres.co.uk/RDNews586.html
Pirelli did this to Berger's car in 1986:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Gerhard_Berger_1986_Detroit.jpg/800px-Gerhard_Berger_1986_Detroit.jpg
#ohmychrist
I don't see the appeal of watching FP unless at the track wanting to see F1 cars at speed (and paid a lot of money for a weekend ticket and want to get money's worth!).
Crofty and Ant might be better off releasing their Friday chats as a long podcast.
Hembrey himself tweeted it the other day
who gave these people a tyre contract?!
I have no memory of this
i used to like it. no idea where it all went wrong. maybe i grew out of it.
I only like it when I get to see a cool track like Spa earlier than usual. No need to spend hours for a boring track.
The chit chat is nice if you've got something else you're doing as well... I couldn't sit and watch it exclusively ever.
It is good background
I'm knackered, sleeptime! Catch you in the evening I expect
Hello all
Loved reading this. Reminds me of all the events I've been to by myself
Can they afford to put FP3 on the iplayer for me... please :)
Loved it, still love it! Benetton Lotus Renault anyone?
It's still fresh for me because I don't get to see them all, every race.
really interesting to see how "welcome" is the F1 circus in India. When I recall my Indian visa experience few years back I can see what all these people mean ...
why on Earth are these countries wasting money on organizing events like this when they do not even try to make the people who will have to come feel welcome ...
I'm sure this is all about facilitation payments. It is India after all.
Sidepodsydney is on!
Ok, it's just Amy and me having dinner while she's up here for the tennis :)
We may ask for help on menu choices if that's still the done thing
words can't express how much I'm craving fanta. Which is odd, i only drink it about once a year.
i don't have to miss the all blacks! Thank you hotel for having the right channel :D
How well do you know your Formula 1 history?
The book That'll be the Day: 365 F1 Stories takes a look at significant moments or quirky happenings on this day in Grand Prix history. Can you guess what event the following describes?
YES!!!
*massive group hugs*
complete madness. recalling the disaster of the commonwealth games, i can't see this ending well at all.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/meanwhile-on-the-kuala-lumpur-stock-exchange/
why I am not surprised ...
I was just told the score. Wow.
#nothere
friend of mine, originally from Chennai, told me few things today when I bugged him about all this visa mess:
a) they (Indian passport holders) are treated horribly when they apply for visa anywhere and he specifically listed his applications for his UK visa 2 years ago. so their consular officers are simply giving reciprocal treatment to others ...
when I asked him why in that case, if this is the idea, are they organizing these big events he told me another thing:
b) this F1 race is only about money, not about racing. if it was about racing the race would be around Chennai ro Bangalore where the racing roots are, not in Delhi. and as this is privately organized, not government event, the government does not really care about privileged treatment for those arriving
welcome to India I suppose :-)
on the plus side, silverstone can stop moaning that they're the only privately funded gp remaining :)
:-)
What's the over under on Tony buying them?
That's quite low - they beat them 145-17 in 1995 ;)
question is why would he want them now with so big debt ... he has a car brand already, why would he need so heavy burden ... I am afraid Proton already missed the Fernandes train ...
95% down on their profits!!!
at the right price (e.g. free), it would be a bargain. lotus is a great brand name.
If he bought into (two) floundering airlines, there's no reason why he wouldn't do the same with a car company. The only way is up, right?
disclosure: this morning i sent Team Lotus my CV. by all means start accusing me of mike arrington like bias.
of course, if i hear nothing, i'm backing team behar-boullier all the way :)
he he!
What do you think it would mean for Sidepodcast if you worked for Team Lotus?
There is always a deal to be done with the government if they want to save face
probably about the same if sky took over half the f1 races and we couldn't afford to watch them.
in truth, i've no idea.
Oh and Good Luck of course, not that you need it!
OK Good to know. Good luck!
they specify flash skills which i don't have and don't want to learn. depends if i can convince them html5 is the future or not :)
A lot more Green and Yellow Green and Yellow Green and Yellow Green and Yellow ...
"HTML5 is like CFD...
No wait..."
Oh yeah... I was going to ask you something about that. You don't need to give your answer of course, but I thought it might be an interesting thought experiment (especially as it's entirely theoretical).
First of all imagine you live somewhere where putting up a Satellite dish isn't a problem (see we are in imagination world)
Then Imagine somebody / everybody donated the ammount of money it would cost to watch F1 on Sky for the next year.
Would you a) Get sky or b) think oooh with this £xxxx we could do something much more amazing?
Of course people probably wouldn't give it to you to just freely do what you wanted with it and yadda yadda yadda, but I wondered if the answer was really b then that's interesting in and of itself... and yeah... hmmm... anyway :)
Them: "So how are your flash skills"
Mr C: "My skills are very flash"
Them: "I mean, how are you at writing flash?"
Mr C: "You don't want me to write in flash"
Them: "These are not the droids I'm looking for".
I don't think I would donate to Sidepodcast explicitly for that reason, however I would not have an issue if donations were used for that purpose. Hypothetically speaking, of course...
if people gave us money for sky we'd get sky.
just by not making podcasts anymore, we'd save ourselves enough money to do other cool stuff, so wouldn't need any donations, i think.
Like what for example?
can't say!
Aww :(
Yeah I didn't make myself very clear did I... but yeah I suppose, "if £1000 fell into your lap would you get sky", was the question.
And while I was thinking about that I wondered to myself, "I wonder if instead Mr and Mrs C might just stop doing the podcasts, come up with the new exciting thing and launch that instead".
we certainly have ideas, yup.
the risk with buying sky, is that f1 might be dreadful next year. although having sky, means more content that could be factbyte factbox'd. football for example.
You should be safe shouldn't you in that although the build up might be terrible and the commentators might be terrible you will still have the feed + five live option? It might not be ideal but you could get it to work.
my fear is more that they might take DRS away, and we go back to 2010 racing. kinda like they stole refuelling without checking with us first :)
Why would they take DRS away?
I have a different fear for next year. I am still not sure which is more crucial tyres or DRS. I'm hoping its DRS because I think they will be able to optimise much more for the tyres for next year and if Pirelli can't keep ahead then that might minimise the fun.
There is no accounting for the random actions of F1 management.
why did they take refueling away?
i assume that everything i like will get stolen, because it always has. dumbo flugel etc.
also true.
Indeed. optimized data and all that.
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/the-2012-silly-season-is-not-about-the-drivers
Rossi Flip-flops again: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94578
I think he was just using his klout to get what he wanted. Now he has that he will go.
dinner was yum, ice cream was yum (pic on twitter!) Jeremy is as lovely as 18 months ago so I'm pretty certain i haven't invited a serial killer to Korea, lots of chatting, and i met the lovely Zoe. Tomorrow, more Roger. Sydney is a success!
Anyone interested in a pair of Sunday tickets for the Goodwood Revival?
http://twitter.com/#!/VivaF1/status/114695241445027840
F1M ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/sergio-prez-tests-ferrari-fiorano
I think 2 of those things are very important things :)
hehe. Great night. Shame it had to end.
What do you think he wanted? He has previous of wanting to do one thing and then backtracking - albeit over switching from two wheels to four, but still...
He wanted to be sure it would be safe. It would have been easy for him to say nothing and then decide at the last minute pull out but he knows a lot of people go just to see him so he was up front about what he thought and didn't mislead them
That was a huge decision for him. He definitely wanted to do F1 but he had to weigh up the risks. I think it was perfectly understandable that it took a while to arrive at the answer. Again he never mislead anyone.
Or it meant he's seen the IndyCar people rock up despite a few complaints, and motorbike people are supposed to be 'harder' than car people, so how can he back out now without looking a fool..
I don't think it is foolish to decide not to go near radiation. I can't imagine anything he could do that would harm his reputation. Not going to one race would have no effect whatever on him or his popularity
He would've looked an idiot if the IndyCar and MotoGP paddocks went, following all kinds of official reports it was safe, and he didn't.
I mean if there really was a large amount more radiation than normal then fine, but there isn't unless you inside the exclusion zone
How do we know it was safe? Radiation can have effects tens of years later. I don't see anything foolish is refusing to find a risk acceptable that other people do. By that definition I am a fool many times.
Because it has been measured to be a lower dose over the four days they are there, than the exposure they get on the return flights to and from the US.
I have lost count of the time I have been told that there is no radiation in the environment of a nuclear power plant only for it to turn out years later that there were incidents at the same time that were kept quiet.
Bear in mind the current levels only apply as long as the status quo continues. What is the weather forecast? earthquake forecast? etc etc. You have a plant that went from totally safe to life threatening after the last quakes. What happens if another one hits before the thing is permanently dealt with?
It is easy to say there is no risk but we have no idea what the risk will be in ten minutes time
http://xkcd.com/radiation/
http://openpaddock.net/2011/09/09/indycar-some-perspective-on-motegi-risks/
This week's earthquakes in Japan. This only covers part of the country. Imagine that 6.2 being nearer to the nuclear plant
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Maps/10/140_35.php
so rossi is an idiot for agreeing to go then?
No. He has made his assessment of the risk and decided that for him it is a risk worth taking.
The point I was making is that you cannot say the situation as it is now and assume that it will stay broadly the same. On that basis the plant should be as it was before it was damaged.
You always have to consider what could possibly happen and what the implications are
Afternoon all, thank crunchy it's Friday! :D
I assume they know those forecasts else they wouldn't be there.
Absolutely :)
REading about the Perez test in the 2009 Ferrari, I think it's the only reason Massa has been kept on. Ferrari believe Perez isn't ready yet [or Bianchi, certainly]
Afternoon all, I greet you with much PINGage - put together this post for anyone interested in F1 2011:
http://gridwalktalk.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/formula-1-2011-the-online-reviews/
Interesting to see Randy Bernard on Twitter now @RBINDYCAR.
Hey Lukeh
I thought of you when I saw this T-shirt earlier
love it!! :)
so why haven't any f1 drivers mad the same fuss?
No-one can forecast earthquakes. It's a bit like terrorist attacks. You carry on because the option is to dig a big hole somewhere and stock it full of everything you need for the rest of your life
Prosperous long life? Couldn't they afford the proper phrase?
Because they are not going to Motegi and they have no concept of an earth-shattering event that does not involve them
It's probably trademarked
Saw this one the other day:
http://shirtoid.com/45467/han-sulu/
That is what I thought
I like that
Suzuka is much further away
:D
Oh dear.... Are you talking about how I probably glow in the dark? I've grown up next to Sellafield.
Maybe it's rubbed off on Nick and that's actually what makes him think that way. Would explain a lot
Don't blame Nick on me? He's always been like that!
:D
Bring back the happy hyper Alison
as is always the case, if rossi or others didn't want to go there would be queue's of people willing to go for them. unless an event is cancelled drivers drive.
I thought Suzuka was standing in for Motegi this year
[sorry if this has been discussed already]
I am happy! :D
It's just the idea that I could have any control over whatever Nick's been coming out with is ridiculous!! :P
It goes back to what Keke Rosberg said and is still unrepeatable here.
Of course that only applies when Niki Lauda is not there to take control. He knew how to make a drivers strike work
WAs just a theory. Made more sense than him being like that naturally :)
#SorryNick
in his day. never again.
That was discussed I think
Awwww he's nice really ♥
Good
You can't control him when he is so far away
Enjoy a little something from the Sidepodcast back catalogue.
- Parc Ferme
Originally published 10 December 2008.
I know, I jest
Because he took control and didn't give the drivers a choice. He called a meeting and organised the bus to take them there. Once they were in the hotel away from the track he locked the door
Not MotoGP, they refused to go back after Daijiro Kato died there.
You don't understand Steven. There's no keeping it in.
There was talk of it being re-certified
i know.
you think lewis is going in to a meeting without mclaren's say so? you think massa is going anywhere without approval for rob? wouldn't happen in this day and age. it couldn't happen in this day and age.
Valid point
I am going to say 'hello' with a picture: http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9200000/Happy-Friday-garfield-9223014-240-343.gif
Week-end has arrived. Wooohooo!
Hi Marti
No way it will happen now. Besides now they feel invincible and have more money than they could ever imagine. Even the guys at the back of the grid live in Monaco.
Besides Lauda's dispute was to stop drivers being tied to teams and now they won't leave the teams and Christine has to write posts about technical people moving teams
heh.
if you have the very latest chrome (out today), have a play with this: http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/shiny-drum-machine.html
the effects are brilliant.
I will try that later. I am currently hooked on a curling game from the Chrome app store
heh.
i thought for a second nico had a fan called bingbing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISbORGUnWUU
Pink Floyd night on BBC Four, from 9:30
Alternatively, Milton Jones is on Dave at 10. Funny man
:O
awesome!!
Something I've wrote on F1.... http://northernwaffler.wordpress.com/2011/09/16/sixth-sense/
Proof that F1 has gone weird. Competition between teams is supposed to be cutthroat. Fighting for every tiny advantage.
McLaren are designing Renault's new simulator. Since when could Renault afford McLaren?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94571
Evening folks
Nice to see Randy Bernard on Twitter. He has instantly garnered (my) Tweet of the Week with this:
http://twitter.com/#!/RBINDYCAR/status/114677844851961856/photo/1
:)
GRRRR!!!
Not a fan?
Definitely not! I can't stand the man. Dodgy pun overload!
That's what I think of Tim Vine but Milton works in my book
I thought that was weird too. McLaren seem to be pimping their services to all and sundry these days
Focus. Less distractions, more speed on the silver things
He makes my blood boil. I just can't stand it at all.
That's a strong reaction. I only get that with the likes of Jordan or Katona
That way the people are not on the team's headcount. Plus what they learn building the Renault sim is cycled back into the McLaren one
I can't help it. It's like AAAARGH!
Kinda odd seeing richard wright speaking on the pink floyd stuff.
A certain sanity I suppose
i am up at 7am on holiday! I have stayed in this hotel before but i forgot it sounds like there is a motorway right outside. Todays shopping mission, earplugs.
also Nick Mason's interviewey bits are in his garage with his F1 stuff :)
Oh dear!
Say hi to George St for me. Pop over to Manly, it's nice there
not enough time :( I'll say hi to George st for you though, I'm heading there soon to buy batteries :D
WHAT?!?
Woolies opposite town hall :)
I want my F1 back.
first the ecu, now the simulator... it's a mclaren spec series!
*speechless*
The biggest proof is the line "Boullier has also said his team is on the verge of extending its engine partnership with Renault"
I think we need an analogue resurgence
hehe. he said earlier in the week he'd considered cosworth. sounded like blackmail though.
Standard engines, standard Tilke tracks etc etc and what worries you is all the teams will have the same simulators?
Where are the knives at dawn?
Red Bull are the 'manufacturer team' now. Free engines
McLaren is a big company (far, far larger than their F1 operation) - I'm sure they can handle it.
williams, surely?
could just run the SKY-only races on the simulators then
That was referenced all last weekend following the announcement of the engine deal with Red Bull
Not according to AUTOSPORT
I think iRacing have that market cornered
I mean, lead team for Renault engines. What's that called?
Why?
The teams have cars they can't afford to run but they can hand the opposing teams piles of ten million dollar notes to make them a computer toy?
red bull may be the focus for the company but i don't think they're a free supply
Exactly my point
bingo
because renault get no PR from red bull. williams-renault comes with nostalgia and williams aren't running infiniti logos on their rear wings.
Looks like we are reaching the end of the era where F1 was run for Bernie's benefit into the era where the main beneficiary is Ron Dennis. Max will be pleased
Good point
I understand the lack of PR from Red Bull, but I don't see how Williams helps. For a start, they're nowhere and secondly I doubt casual fans would ever know about the old Williams Renault
Always wanted one of those Williams special edition Clios or Meganes..
heh!
Neither will they be winning anytime soon
Let's see if the Infiniti logos are as evident next year
nonsense, there are people who still think JPS sponsor an f1 team (even before renault this year). nostalgia lives.
:)
ECU deals for Indy and NASCAR too. SkyNet of racing, he could bring down the whole system*.
*there is no way he could bring down the whole system
i'll put £10 on the renault logo being bigger on the williams chassis next year than it will be on the red bull. what say you?
Those people aren't really watching, they are looking at pictures in the Metro on the way to work
wrong quote:
Let's see if the Infiniti logos are as evident next year
In this country at least there are a ton of people who aren't dedicated F1 fans, but who paid attention when Mansell and Hill were around, who know exactly what a Williams Renault was.
doesn't matter. renault want to sell a road car with a williams badge on it.
they do not want to sell a road car with a red bull logo on it.
As one crashes out and the other is 11th
If a smaller logo wins the race, who'll be happier?
bingo.
Renault can still claim to have won the last two championships soon, even if RBR don't want to say so
I disagree. Again I only think it's older / more knowledgeable F1 fans that know the JPS connection to Lotus - doubtful many casual / new knew of it, in the same new fans had never heard of Senna
Definitely
I wouldn't be surprised if Renault were putting more money into Williams than Renault
The people they are marketing such a car at won't see the value in a road Renault Williams. The caché was there because theywere champions together
Does their contract allow that?
Infiniti / Nissan / Renault is all the same company so I guess they want one clear message coming out. I just don't understand why Red Bull want to be associated with Inifinitis / Infinitii rather than Clios / Meganes etc
but renault is as evident with red bull now as it was with williams, so i don't really buy that
either Red Bull-Renault are good PR or everyone only really remembers Williams and not the engine behind them
For me, Williams is associated with Honda anyway!
we disagree then.
Infiniti is Nissans premium brand, they just never made it to the standard Lexus have achieved despite being there first. Maybe it's Renault/Nissan's preference to have it that way
where on the red bull is the any renault branding? maybe the engine cover? the bit the people cover up on the grid...
There are people who know nothing about F1 who knew about JPS. In the 70s and early 80s there were loads of road cars (mainly slightly fast Fords) painted in JPS because the F1 colour scheme was so popular. THe posters of the Lotus 72 was massively popular. My English teacher had one on his wall. Fittipaldi in a 72. I am sure that mug thought it was a Ferrari.
JPS was huge
Incredibly
I disagree with both of you. It's an iconic livery and everyone calls it the JPS livery. But john player's profile is so low these days it's easy to think they went the same way as the original livery
Red Bull is so protective of the image of their brand though. I can understand what is in it for Infiniti but with all the cool cars in the world why is Red Bull associating itself with grandad's slippers?
http://uk.autoblog.com/2011/09/16/video-at-frankfurt-motor-show-infiniti-fx-sebastian-vettel-ver/
$$$
You may be thinking too short term. I think the change from Cosworth to Renault alone will be worth a couple of rows on the grid. And then a part of me suspects they had to compromise the car to make up for the duff engine, so with a good engine they can iron that out. Not saying they'll go for a title but back into solid points is good enough.
ask people what engine red bull use - how many do you think will guess infiniti?
Cos it worked for Lotus?
it's on the back wing, where the engine name traditionally goes. i would imagine every casual fan watching this year will say infiniti.
When I think of Red Bull I don't think of either Renault or Infiniti, their own brand supercedes all. To be honest I kind of get the same with Cosworth at Williams, sort of invisible, but we wouldn't get that at all with Williams, at least if Renault activate the marketing that way. They could make this a big deal, if they want to.
No way. They spend $2 billion of their profits every year on sponsoring sports. Renault/Nissan/Infiniti could hand Dietrich their companies and it would not give him enough $$$$ to make it worth harming his brand
Lexus were over here first though? Infiniti may have been around longer but only in places where F1 isn't big. This is as much for Infiniti to get awareness outside the US.
The mothership does, not the F1 department.
Infiniti build road cars???
Look what happened to Brawn when they dumped the Honda and put in the Merc
For years
None. Most people have no idea. Or think it has a Red Bull engine
yes. vettel's road car/van.
True story.
It did. Without Renault they'd be tooling around with MVRs or HRTs and they are now often a lap ahead of them.
Never knew. I thought they were just a low cost engine builder.
Yeah, but who's going to pay attention to that?
their 2nd year in f1 compared to williams' decades.
That is kind of their day job
there isn't nearly such a strong nostalgia link with a team that has won races powered by ford, honda and bmw as well as renault
lotus renault works because they're tapping in on the strong livery associated with the combo that's practically a brand in itself
Only if they've heard of Infiniti, and not many people over here have. It could be any random sponsor with a slightly odd name, there are plenty of those painted on F1 cars. Casual fans have no idea what usually goes where. In any case the engine name traditionally goes on the engine cover, the back wing was for Marlboro or Camel or whatever, 'til the ciggies were removed.
Didn't know. Beyond their short stint in the IRL, I'd never heard of them. Thought they were just another "Supertec"
right, but they're being renamed caterham. or you mean the other team?
With fast acres of Honda cash to build the best car in history.
Infiniti are bigger in the US or Japan than Europe
And not with evocative names like Testarossa or Murcialago or any of that Italian nonsense. Their range is G / M / EX / FX. I think they need an imagination consultant
Yeah, I guess Tony has other fish to fry now
i know that. but the name is worthless to renault as a marketing tool.
You would have thought with a name like Infiniti there would be limitless possibilities.
Their range starts with G and M..
Maybe but I bet it would have been rubbish with the Honda engine
they took a formula 1 world champions name and gave it to a bloated SUV. they need more than imagination.
:)
"Great and" "Mega"
:)
We haven't had one of these in ages but you deserve it for that
http://instantrimshot.com/
these casual fans are familiar with rear wing advertising traditions but not engine suppliers? :-)
do they think Hispania's engine supplier is "this could be you"?
I don't agree. Powered by Renault goes a long way. Whether it's large on the car or not, it seeps in almost subliminally. We analyse these things a lot, most consumers do not
Sesame Street Autos
Suddenly Windows 8 makes sense...
A 24 year old champion. The car is more suitable for Schumacher. Not as good as they think it is and not likely to get any better
I thank you.
Also a very large competitor
My guess is Seb had minimal input into that PR exercise. SUV's aren't selling like they used to, quick - call that finger guy who's been talking about that stuff
okay, caterham, powered by renault is something. it's not williams-renault though, no way. no how.
No way Horner is going to let him get distracted playing around with the design of road cars
Jalopnik quotes Joe Saward: http://jalopnik.com/5840611/colin-chapmans-simple-and-chilling-definition-of-a-formula-one-race-car
Mr C
That drum machine won't load properly now. I am sure it when you first linked to it but I have 6 little swirly things on the bottom row that never load
joe has created a niche for himself, explaining the unexplainable bits about f1.
overloaded maybe. it's the demo of the day.
Tell that to the marketing department when they justify their budget based on air time. Results pay, good as your last race and all that
Are Renault going to do a deal to supply Caterham (car company) with engines?
Maybe
Tony likes to mingle his brands, who knows
would be a shrewd deal if the team name changes
QPR players get Caterhams as company cars
well tehys hould
i don't need to tell anyone. renault know what they're doing. i'm happy to sit back and watch.
i think a williams badge on a renault road car is very likely. i do not think you will see a redbull badge on there, nor a caterham badge.
as far as i'm concerned, that make williams a key player in renault's plans. time will tell.
I imagine a special Caterham-Renault car. The thing with Caterham is that you can get all sorts of engines in them. Only having one engine supplier is not an option.
That would be a shock to their systems
I think podiums will do that and nothing more but you are right, time will tell
I agree, but we might not see it for a couple of years. Year one is bedding in.
if they do, i want one :)
out of interest, how useful is the williams flywheel(s) to renault for road car adoption?
Renault do like new tech in their road cars so I bet they'll take a look.
Not in Aust. It's ford or nothing (through the official channels anyway)
www.caterhamcars.com.au
hmm, new laguna already has kers: http://www.media.renault.com/global/en-gb/renault/Media/PressRelease.aspx?mediaid=29517
This system enables the kinetic energy generated when a vehicle decelerates or brakes to be recovered. This energy, which is customarily dissipated in the form of heat via the brake discs, is recovered via the alternator and stored in the battery.
BMW have had that for about 2 years but it good to see it being filtered down to the mainstream brands
No idea
Hi Jeremy. I think Steven means 'potentially'
Total waste of time
Would compliment a 'shutdown the engine when stopped at traffic lights' system that seems to becoming popular. Move the car away from standstill on flywheel stored energy, then the engine kicks in
was thinking renault needed a solution, but they're more advanced than that.
A solution to...?
renault disagrees.
The CO2 emissions and fuel consumption of diesel versions of Renault
Laguna have been slashed.
i know nothing to argue either way. i do know that EU requirements are killing manufacturers though.
kers on their road cars.
I am surprised only one manufacturer's engine is an option. What do Holden fans do?
The marketing problem of saving the planet without actually doing anything meaningful :D
By Utes with Mags
*buy
It can't be too hard to shoe in a 6.2 Litre V8 can it? Chewing gum and (hay) baling wire will hold it together. It's the Australian way :)
Great possibility that IndyCar may prove slower than Formula Nippon cars when it comes to qualifying / race pace. Oh dear (and thankfully, this is the last of the old car)
I so NEED one of those, even though I'm not a macho Ute type guy. Computer nerds drive BMWs and WRXs over here
ford is the only engine for factory built caterhams outside of australia too
Evening lovely Sidepodians.
Hi Kai,
How's things?
no you don't, you need this: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/15/bentley-mulsanne-executive-interior-concept-frankfurt-2011/
Best joke I heard in a while:
The bartender says "We don't serve time travelers here."
A guy walks into a bar.
:D
It depends on the duty cycle. How many of those kinds of cars in the UK are driven by reps etc on motorways where they brake once every half hour? They gain nothing from hauling all that extra weight around. At the same time they have a device fitted to their car for the specific purpose of venting heat energy to atmosphere.
I am sure Bassano would know better than me but I think something like 50% of the fuel burnt that actually produces motion is burnt purely to produce heat. That is if you look at the energy produced by an engine a percentage of that is kinetic energy but something like 30% of the energy produced is heat. And these idiots are trying to recover a tiny amount of energy from braking while venting heat to atmosphere
4 seconds slower in practice despite having more horsepower
:D
:D
doesn't matter. renault have EU targets to meet for 2012 and that laguna meets them. that's all they have to do for next year.
I did think that should be my company supplied car when I saw it. I'd be too busy driving it! Maybe I should be a chauffeur?
Ciao
Things are going really well, I've just been going to sleep super early each night 'cause these kids are fun but wearing me out.
I'm just not used to all this working and stuff. ;)
Times have changed then.
First running, so they'll shave time off that, but not enough to be faster.
Hello. Assuming I am one of the lovely ones :)
you're being optimistic with your estimates of efficiency - reverse them (and get them to add to 100% while you're at it :-P )
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That's a SidepodMobile if ever I saw one!
i imagine on the outside it says "designed by christine".
:D
People not buying new cars are killing manufacturers
I'm so glad not to be geeking out and laughing so hard at that by myself! :lol:
By the way, the Motegi road course looks pretty cool
:)
not being allowed to sell a car in the first place is a bigger issue. kers helps solve that issue.
not really, they only had a few options in the 90's and it's been a single supplier rest of the time
of course, you could get a kit car without an engine if you want
Agreed, it's a political nonsense. Just like battery cars that take more energy to build than an oil burner can consume in 10 years
I love jokes that take a long standing format and turn it on its head
That scrappage scheme did more to harm the environment than anything else anyone does in the next ten years
:)
That time travel thing just kills me! hehehe
One of my favourite reverse jokes. Start at 2 min 45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjE-DxjNgYM&NR=1
I'm listening to the UK playlist I made when I got home in July. I wrote down the songs I heard as I traveled and put them together. It's making all sad and happy all at once.
#nostalgic
Are you on Spotify or Last.fm, can you publish your playlist?
Worth watching the whole thing to be fair.
iTunes
Before political correctness we used to have jokes about stupid Irishmen. My favourite one was about a posh Englishman and a stupid Irishman in a train carriage alone. The gent suggests to pass the time they ask each other questions with a cash forfeit to pass the time. The stupid Irishman says he is just a simple sole who has not had a privileged education so the penalty should reflect that. So the English gent says OK if you get a question wrong you pay a pound and if I get one you ask wrong I pay 10.
So the stupid Irishman asks "What has 3 heads 8 legs and two tales?
The posh Englishman says "I don't know. Here is you £10. Then asks what the answer was.
The stupid Irishman says "I don't know either. Here's your pound"
Definitely but I just love that joke. I watched the whole thing recently again and I still didn't see it coming till Albert asked who it was
How does one see your playlist?
:D
Technically you can take the nationalities out of that and it's still funny.
Aye, was on over the summer. One of my favourite episodes as well, comic genius.
I haven't done that before, but I'm checkin' it out now.
Yes. I was just showing another format basher
:D Funny!
Ping? Or whatever that thing is no one uses?
:) :) :)
hehehe
Yes.
Every nation has stupid jokes. The Italians make them about the Caribinieri [one of the many branches of police]
That thing I keep trying to stop from...pinging when I'm buying songs?? I hate that flippin ping. Ping this, little pinging thing.
Classic programme
:D
The South Africans do them about van der Merwe. I have seen him drive and I think the jokes are a bit harsh :)
Am catching up with GT1 at the minute. I do love their archive
:)
Does it go back to last year? People keep telling me it's great stuff so I want to watch it over the winter.
Not sure if 2010 is on it, but the archive is available via Daily Motion. As for the racing, I love it, I think it's great fun.
Only problem is the two-month gap between the penultimate round and the final races.
Anyway, the archive is here - http://www.dailymotion.com/GT1#videoId=xl0fxc
:)
Hah. :)
Alan shouldn't be tooling around in the Medical Car.
He should be in the DTM
Is that why the guy in District 9 is called van der Merwe? He's a bit of an idiot to start with.
Never heard of District 9 but yes
ooh, great catch. That is one of my fave movies.
You need to watch when you have the opportunity. Very good film, indie Sci-Fi with a difference
I will add it to my list
Oh dear no. We are obviously very opposite people.
Alien spaceship appears over Jo'burg and they need rescuing. Low budget in a good way, not the 'Hollywood style' alien film at all.
Even though the background message was glaringly obvious (treatment of people) and I usually hate that sort of thing, I loved that film.
You are in a relationship with Nick. How much more confirmation do you need?
Why are you all picking on Nick this week? What did he do (now)?
Partly inspired by Cape Town's District Six. Neill Blomkamp's original short is Alive In Joburg. Also good
I am joking. I am sure he has done nothing
Hah! I'm not all that sure.... :D
Just this week?
We love him really, he's just an easy target
:D
he hasn't annoyed anyone on twitter for months.
Bless.
NICK!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Internet has learned not to rise to the bait. Maybe someone put up a sign: Do Not Feed The Twyger
genius!!
I just put on the Swedish radio station and they were talking about mmm mmm mmm mmm, and I was thinking "is he talking about Crash Test Dummies"? Then he said "Crash Test Dummies".
So weird.
in English.
Ok, I guess you had to be there. Here.
Gah!
:)
I haven't heard them in years.
Me neither. Maybe it's one of those 'best of the 80's and 90's' stations, but I don't remember the Swedish for 80 or 90. :)
Well, it was 1994, so who knows? Maybe a general classics...?
Probably. They then played Pink Floyd "Money"
Bog standard "Classic Rawk" then
yeah. Good thing I was listening for the language, not the music. :)