Well, that was a pretty boring weekend.

  • Who am I kidding? It was fantastic, and I'm sure we can all agree that the highlight of the weekend was the speedway at Cardiff. A shock winner too. Best moment is when Tai Woffinden (who I'm thinking I'm more obsessed with than Timo Glock) won heat 20. But ulitimatly, like most sports, Britain were rubbish.
  • Formula 1 you say? Oh we had that as well at Silverstone. The racing slightly overshadowed once again by Red Bull, those drama queens. The race itself though was fairly average and you just know that Lukeh, Leigh and Alianora have got the race all covered. You want more? Well, I have just the trick with my (Virgin Racing endorsed) New Teams Championship. More? Well there is also the post-race debate about if the new Silverstone upgrades have worked. You want even more? Well, there is talk about the use of radio on F1 coverage. All sorted? Good.
  • Now, I am aware that this was plugged in yesterdays daily but I think they deserve a re-daily. Lou has posted her shots from Goodwood and they are simply amazing. She has also put up some of her favourites too. Well worth a read.
  • The legend that was Rubens Barrichello was on Top Gear yesterday. I'm yet to see the show but I am reliably informed of his performance was good. The biggest Rubens fan around Lukeh has blogged about it. Be warned it does contain spoilers.
  • And now, the football is now all over. The champions have won and van Bommel managed to stay on the pitch yet again. I hope that wasn't your first football game either because it was a shocker. But there is Premier League football in a month with good teams playing good football. Or you could wait till Poland/Ukraine Euro 2010 or Brazil World Cup 2014.

So here comes another week. You sport fans will no doubt know the Tour de Frace is still going on and of course towards the end of the week is the Open Championship. If you don't like sport, well, there is always the excellent Alex Andronov as he guides us all through the T songs on his radio show. Lovely.

Have one of those awesome Mondays.

323 responses

  • me11/07/2010 at 23:07

    you heard it here second (cause i just read it in gp+ first)... princess pettel.

    that's a keeper :)

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:09

    you heard it here second (cause i just read it in gp+ first)... princess pettel.

    that's a keeper :)

    Love it

  • me11/07/2010 at 23:09

    Love it

    from mr. tremayne.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:11

    from mr. tremayne.

    Grrrrrr

  • me11/07/2010 at 23:12

    "Best moment is when Tai Woffinden (who I'm thinking I'm more obsessed with than Timo Glock) won heat 20"

    20 heats?

  • RG11/07/2010 at 23:13

    20 heats?

    23 technically if you include the semi final and final.

  • me11/07/2010 at 23:14

    23 technically if you include the semi final and final.

    how do you keep track of all that?

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:15

    20 heats?

    Have you never seen speedway before? Less overtaking than F1

  • me11/07/2010 at 23:17

    Have you never seen speedway before? Less overtaking than F1

    i don't think i have. i know of it, riding sideways in circles, right?

  • RG11/07/2010 at 23:17

    how do you keep track of all that?

    Pretty easy really, its only 16 riders racing 5 times so its easy to keep track.

  • RG11/07/2010 at 23:18

    Have you never seen speedway before? Less overtaking than F1

    Depends what type of track it is, some are terrible and provide dull races, others like Cardiff are perfect and you get brilliant battles.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:20

    i don't think i have. i know of it, riding sideways in circles, right?

    That's it. Run on gravelly tracks or ice

  • me11/07/2010 at 23:20

    That's it. Run on gravelly tracks or ice

    ooh, never seen it on ice.

  • Amy11/07/2010 at 23:23

    Boo Monday. Boo.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:24

    ooh, never seen it on ice.

    I saw it years ago. I assume they still do it

  • RG11/07/2010 at 23:24

    I saw it years ago. I assume they still do it

    I've never seen it but I think one of the best speedway riders originally rode on ice.

  • Amy11/07/2010 at 23:32

    I am tired and my watch has stopped but I keep looking at it anyway. It is not 5 to 2

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:33

    I've never seen it but I think one of the best speedway riders originally rode on ice.

    They do it indoors in Telford

    http://www.telfordice.co.uk/

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:52

    Rubinho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Steven Roy11/07/2010 at 23:52

    Rubinho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Watching Top Gear and had to do that

  • me11/07/2010 at 23:55

    Rubinho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Watching Top Gear and had to do that

    :)

  • Andy Taylor12/07/2010 at 00:06

    Watching Top Gear and had to do that

    Hehe. It was pretty good.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 00:07

    Hehe. It was pretty good.

    Before I saw the time I thought the last two corners looked like Lewis's.

    I won't mention the time for those who haven't seen it yet

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 00:08

    Clarkson making iphone jokes ;)

  • Andy Taylor12/07/2010 at 00:11

    Clarkson making iphone jokes ;)

    I must have missed that.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 00:12

    I must have missed that.

    Talking about how the Stig doesn't work if you hold him the wong way

  • Andy Taylor12/07/2010 at 00:14

    Talking about how the Stig doesn't work if you hold him the wong way

    Ah yes. :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 00:26

    Finished (albeit, rather late - damn World Cup final!!)

    2010 British Grand Prix (Silverstone, Round 10, July 9th – 11th)

    http://theformulaoneandmotorsportsarchive.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/2010-british-grand-prix-silverstone-round-10-july-9th-11th/

  • me12/07/2010 at 00:33

    Finished (albeit, rather late - damn World Cup final!!)

    probably a daft question, but is there a reason why you don't publish across multiple posts? only i keep following the link, seeing the same picture and header text thinking "i've read this already".

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 00:35

    Finished (albeit, rather late - damn World Cup final!!)

    probably a daft question, but is there a reason why you don't publish across multiple posts? only i keep following the link, seeing the same picture and header text thinking "i've read this already".

    Don't know why, but I've just never done it. I'll try it for Germany and see if I like it

  • me12/07/2010 at 00:36

    Don't know why, but I've just never done it. I'll try it for Germany and see if I like it

    maybe have a summary post at the end to tie them all together. it's easier to plug individual posts on twitter and facebook etc too.

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 00:37

    Don't know why, but I've just never done it. I'll try it for Germany and see if I like it

    maybe have a summary post at the end to tie them all together. it's easier to plug individual posts on twitter and facebook etc too.

    yeah sounds good...

    summary? summary???? i don't know the meaning of the word sir

  • me12/07/2010 at 00:38

    yeah sounds good...

    summary? summary???? i don't know the meaning of the word sir

    :)

    and on that note, i sleeps.

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 00:39

    yeah sounds good...

    summary? summary???? i don't know the meaning of the word sir

    :)

    and on that note, i sleeps.

    me too

    early morning and all that lark

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 00:39

    night all

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 00:39

    probably a daft question, but is there a reason why you don't publish across multiple posts? only i keep following the link, seeing the same picture and header text thinking "i've read this already".

    #delurk

    I'm doing this for Goodwood. Or at least I would if I got around to it.

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 01:00

    I have yet to download TG, but...

    Rubens beat Schumi?! Again?!

    :P :D

  • Amy12/07/2010 at 01:04

    My watch has started again. Confused.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 03:55

    Jetlag plus early morning working = best thing EVER!!!

    When else can you wake up naturally at 10 to 5 and think it's time to get up... :D

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 03:59

    Also doohickey's gone a bit mad in chrome.... There are scroll bars in the middle of the screen horizontally and vertically instead of next to the edge of the browser window. Refreshing hasn't made it go away.

  • Alex Andronov12/07/2010 at 05:36

    Also doohickey's gone a bit mad in chrome.... There are scroll bars in the middle of the screen horizontally and vertically instead of next to the edge of the browser window. Refreshing hasn't made it go away.

    That's weird... Not having that problem at all in Chrome.

  • Amy12/07/2010 at 05:43

    I have had that issue in the past, its a chrome issue not a doohickey one

  • Turkey Machine12/07/2010 at 07:33

    Morning all. Just a quick note to say: iPhone is AWESOME. I am a convert. iTunes on the other hand..... that can swivel! Speak laters.

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 09:00

    Hello and Good Monday.

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 09:01

    Hello and Good Monday.

    Morning christine, and morning everyone else.

    How are we all this morning?

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 09:03

    I found out a fun fact this morning - Diego Forlan has scored more goals than David Villa in 5 of the last 6 season in Spain, but people consider Villa to be the best striker in the world.

  • Nick12/07/2010 at 09:08

    Is anyone else having problems with GP+ ive downloaded 3 times, it seems to be corrupted. tried it though google docs too and still lots of blank pages and pixelated photos

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 09:11

    Intriguing... Lotus may be getting Renault engines from 2011 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8808856.stm

    That'd be a boost for them to say the least.

  • F1Wolf12/07/2010 at 09:12

    Is anyone else having problems with GP+ ive downloaded 3 times, it seems to be corrupted. tried it though google docs too and still lots of blank pages and pixelated photos

    I downloaded it OK, but within the text there is quite a lot of bad and hard to read formatting, sometimes I think those guys could take half an hour more to proof read before they upload it ...

    also I am a bit disappointed with the latest issue, I did expect more on the Webber and especially on the Senna situation there ... Joe was the first one to break the Senna story but there are barely 2 lines of text on that topic in the magazine :-(

  • Nick12/07/2010 at 09:23

    Intriguing... Lotus may be getting Renault engines from 2011 - http://news.bb…rmula_one/8808856.stm

    I thought lotus and cosworth were in partnership for road cars??

    Didnt the lotus indy car originally have cosworth logos on it because of that?

  • Nick12/07/2010 at 09:24

    Intriguing... Lotus may be getting Renault engines from 2011 - http://news.bb…rmula_one/8808856.stm

    I thought lotus and cosworth were in partnership for road cars??

    Didnt the lotus indy car originally have cosworth logos on it because of that?

    Found it:

    http://www.conceptcarz.com/z18208/Lotus-Cosworth-Indy-Racer.aspx

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 09:26

    hello folks

  • paul12/07/2010 at 09:32

    Is anyone else having problems with GP+ ive downloaded 3 times, it seems to be corrupted. tried it though google docs too and still lots of blank pages and pixelated photos

    No it's just fine here

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 09:32

    Is anyone else having problems with GP+ ive downloaded 3 times, it seems to be corrupted. tried it though google docs too and still lots of blank pages and pixelated photos

    mine's fine

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 09:33

    My last football post for the forseeable future: http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/2010/07/12/when-they-say-beautiful-game-they-mean-forlan-right/

  • James12/07/2010 at 09:35

    Intriguing... Lotus may be getting Renault engines from 2011 - http://news.bb…rmula_one/8808856.stm

    That'd be a boost for them to say the least.

    make sense, Williams are sticking with Cosworth and Renault want to provide another team with engines.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 09:50

    Good morning

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 09:51

    morning pat

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 09:52

    Good morning

    Morning.

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 09:52

    I may have a guest post for you tonight Christine

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 09:53

    I may have a guest post for you tonight Christine

    Oh yes? That'd be lovely.

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 09:54

    I may have a guest post for you tonight Christine

    Oh yes? That'd be lovely.

    Aye - I shall be regaling all with my Friday tales

  • me12/07/2010 at 10:16

    also I am a bit disappointed with the latest issue, I did expect more on the Webber and especially on the Senna situation there ... Joe was the first one to break the Senna story but there are barely 2 lines of text on that topic in the magazine :-(

    interesting point. i wonder if having a friday meetup meant there was much less time to write?

  • F1Wolf12/07/2010 at 10:18

    interesting point. i wonder if having a friday meetup meant there was much less time to write?

    or too much time spent meeting old friends and not enough time left to investigate in the paddock :-)

  • me12/07/2010 at 10:19

    or too much time spent meeting old friends and not enough time left to investigate in the paddock :-)

    could be. he know the senna story though, he told us about it. it just needed typing out.

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 10:27

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/07/12/tweets-of-the-week-when-football-and-formula-one-collide/

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:03

    Is it me or is there something of a Monday morning/afternoon vacuum going on right now?

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:05

    Is it me or is there something of a Monday morning/afternoon vacuum going on right now?

    It's all the warm, moist air over northern Europe...

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:05

    Is it me or is there something of a Monday morning/afternoon vacuum going on right now?

    It's all the warm, moist air over northern Europe...

    Of course

  • Alex Andronov12/07/2010 at 11:06

    Is it me or is there something of a Monday morning/afternoon vacuum going on right now?

    VvvvvvvmmmmmVvVVVVVmmmVVVVVVVVVVvvvvmmmm

    Can you lift your feet Leigh

    Vvvvvvvmmmmm

    Thanks

    VVVVVmmmVVVVVV

    Are these your magazines?

    VvvvvCLUNK

    Was that a lego piece? Or a pound? I'll never know.

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:07

    Is it me or is there something of a Monday morning/afternoon vacuum going on right now?

    VvvvvvvmmmmmVvVVVVVmmmVVVVVVVVVVvvvvmmmm

    Can you lift your feet Leigh

    Vvvvvvvmmmmm

    Thanks

    VVVVVmmmVVVVVV

    Are these your magazines?

    VvvvvCLUNK

    Was that a lego piece? Or a pound? I'll never know.

    Must admit, that took me a few seconds to grasp

    :)

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 11:07

    VvvvvvvmmmmmVvVVVVVmmmVVVVVVVVVVvvvvmmmm

    Haha :)

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:07

    VvvvvCLUNKWas that a lego piece? Or a pound? I'll never know.

    That was the hamster. Poor Biggles!

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 11:08

    Was that a lego piece? Or a pound? I'll never know.

    That dratted lego gets everywhere.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 11:08

    Is it me or is there something of a Monday morning/afternoon vacuum going on right now?

    I'm busy being productive, getting through loads of odd jobs I've had to leave while doing other stuff for the end-of-month..

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:08

    That was the hamster. Poor Biggles!

    Speaking of hamsters, anyone see Rubens on the Beeb last night?

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 11:09

    I'm busy being productive, getting through loads of odd jobs I've had to leave while doing other stuff for the end-of-month..

    Also the cooler temps mean I feel like doing more, than when it was hot and humid (haircut also helps, I've noticed)

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:16

    I'm busy being productive, getting through loads of odd jobs I've had to leave while doing other stuff for the end-of-month..

    Also the cooler temps mean I feel like doing more, than when it was hot and humid (haircut also helps, I've noticed)

    Saturday was +30 so I went for a haircut - my hairdresser is lovely, but she informed me I hadn't been for two months (we've been really busy)!

    Made a big difference in the heat though ;)

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 11:19

    Saturday was +30 so I went for a haircut - my hairdresser is lovely, but she informed me I hadn't been for two months (we've been really busy)!

    I usually leave it 3 months..

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:19

    Saturday was +30 so I went for a haircut - my hairdresser is lovely, but she informed me I hadn't been for two months (we've been really busy)!

    I usually leave it 3 months..

    My hair grows too thick for that and the heat was killing me. Plus, my hairdresser is really nice ;)

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:20

    Saturday was +30 so I went for a haircut - my hairdresser is lovely, but she informed me I hadn't been for two months (we've been really busy)!

    Made a big difference in the heat though ;)

    Aye - my hairdresser is sound, but I get mine done every 6 weeks/two months. If my hair gets too long I end up looking like Kevin Keegan

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:20

    Plus, my hairdresser is really nice ;)

    shocking stuff

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 11:24

    Aye - my hairdresser is sound, but I get mine done every 6 weeks/two months. If my hair gets too long I end up looking like Kevin Keegan

    I was definitely cultivating a mullet, inadvertently...

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:26

    Aye - my hairdresser is sound, but I get mine done every 6 weeks/two months. If my hair gets too long I end up looking like Kevin Keegan

    I was definitely cultivating a mullet, inadvertently...

    I said to my Hungarian friend on Facebook the other day that "Friends don't let friends get mullets" and she had no idea what I was talking about...

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 11:44

    Was that a lego piece? Or a pound? I'll never know.

    :D

    Hi, all.

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:45

    Hi, all.

    helllloooo

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 11:47
  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 11:47

    helllloooo

    hey leigh. what's up?

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:48

    helllloooo

    hey leigh. what's up?

    Enjoying the office monotony - I'll be headbutting my desk very soon

    You?

  • RG12/07/2010 at 11:49

    Iiiiinteresting.

    Does that mean since they are now properly linked with old Lotus they'll have another 500th Grand Prix?

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 11:52

    Iiiiinteresting.

    Does that mean since they are now properly linked with old Lotus they'll have another 500th Grand Prix?

    Unlikely

    ;)

    There are many "purists" out there (and I've met some) that state without question that Lotis died with the death of Colin Chapman.

    Personally I love what Fernandes and Gascoyne have done so far - great stuff

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:53

    There are many "purists" out there (and I've met some) that state without question that Lotis died with the death of Colin Chapman.

    Personally I love what Fernandes and Gascoyne have done so far - great stuff

    Therefore there's no such team as Ferrari, McLaren and now with Sir Frank stepping down, Williams too?

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 11:53

    There are many "purists" out there (and I've met some) that state without question that Lotus died with the death of Colin Chapman.Personally I love what Fernandes and Gascoyne have done so far - great stuff

    Agreed. They've come a heck of a long way in a year, considering so many were doubting them when they first arrived.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:53

    There are many "purists" out there (and I've met some) that state without question that Lotus died with the death of Colin Chapman.Personally I love what Fernandes and Gascoyne have done so far - great stuff

    Agreed. They've come a heck of a long way in a year, considering so many were doubting them when they first arrived.

    Best new team. By far.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 11:54

    Oooooh.

    Fernandes to acquire Team Lotus name

    Iiiiinteresting.

    Ties up a loose end then..

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 11:55

    Best new team. By far.

    Agreed. Year 2 will be just as or even more challenging, though. Can they keep up this momentum?

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 11:55

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    ouch.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:55

    Best new team. By far.

    Agreed. Year 2 will be just as or even more challenging, though. Can they keep up this momentum?

    Well it looks like they have the back, and the resources.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:56

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    ouch.

    Says it all really. However, both weren't great really.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 11:56

    There are many "purists" out there (and I've met some) that state without question that Lotis died with the death of Colin Chapman.

    Personally I love what Fernandes and Gascoyne have done so far - great stuff

    I think they are the best new team by far, really impressive and I'm a bit of a fan of their approach this year, unlike the others they've hired past F1 people (I don't mean drivers), they had their car running first, they have it closer to the main field than the others. But they aren't Lotus.

  • RG12/07/2010 at 11:56

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    Don't know why they bother.

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 11:58

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    Don't know why they bother.

    I wonder how many watched TG on BBC2, for reference.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 11:59

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    Don't know why they bother.

    Adrian Chiles has been shown up really badly by the World Cup.

    Also:

    - Why all the Holland-hate before the final? And for that matter, Spain too?

    - Wayyy too much English coverage

    - Really rubbish punditry in general!

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 11:59

    I wonder how many watched TG on BBC2, for reference.

    oooh oohh ooh *raises arm really high* mee mee me!

  • Nick12/07/2010 at 12:00

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    Guess that goes to show how badly the bbc are crushing the competition.

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 12:00

    I wonder how many watched TG on BBC2, for reference.

    oooh oohh ooh *raises arm really high* mee mee me!

    Hahahahahaha! :D For a British GP, we sure saw a LOT of Rubens. :)

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 12:00

    Hahahahahaha! For a British GP, we sure saw a LOT of Rubens.

    *BGP weekend

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 12:00

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    Wow

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 12:01

    Hahahahahaha! :D For a British GP, we sure saw a LOT of Rubens. :)

    The man loves silverstone and the british grand prix :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 12:02

    Also, aren't F1 viewing figures in the UK up by 50% since the move to BBC too?

  • me12/07/2010 at 12:08

    Oooooh.

    Fernandes to acquire Team Lotus name

    Iiiiinteresting.


    Ties up a loose end then..

    he wanted it before and they wouldn't sell. v.interesting.

  • Journeyer12/07/2010 at 12:09

    he wanted it before and they wouldn't sell. v.interesting.

    proven themselves worthy?

  • me12/07/2010 at 12:10

    proven themselves worthy?

    very possibly.

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 12:11

    Would clive chapman be involved in the link between new lotus and classic team lotus if they got the name? He seemed quite impressed with the team during the goodwood interview they did with crofty, sir stirling moss and heikki

  • me12/07/2010 at 12:12

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    Guess that goes to show how badly the bbc are crushing the competition.

    i don't see how it's a fair competition. one corporation has billions and does nothing to earn it's income. the other has to run commercials.

    i know itv suck at everything, but they can only be fairly compared to anyone 'except' he bbc.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 12:14

    Not sure if this has been mentioned hear but apparently 18million saw BBC's world cup coverage compared to ITV's 4million

    Guess that goes to show how badly the bbc are crushing the competition.

    i don't see how it's a fair competition. one corporation has billions and does nothing to earn it's income. the other has to run commercials.

    i know itv suck at everything, but they can only be fairly compared to anyone 'except' he bbc.

    I don't think the issues I had with ITV were down to resources though.

  • me12/07/2010 at 12:15

    I don't think the issues I had with ITV were down to resources though.

    what were the issues? surely problems with talent comes from a lack of funds to be able to afford them, and who's prices are driven up by the bbc paying talent a fortune across the board.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 12:16

    I don't think the issues I had with ITV were down to resources though.

    what were the issues? surely problems with talent comes from a lack of funds to be able to afford them, and who's prices are driven up by the bbc paying talent a fortune across the board.

    Well ITV paid big money for Adrian Chiles and Christine Bleakley, didn't they?

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 12:17

    I think I preferred the ITV coverage, but obviously iPlayer is easier to use.

  • me12/07/2010 at 12:17

    Well ITV paid big money for Adrian Chiles and Christine Bleakley, didn't they?

    presumably they were paid shed loads by the beeb already.

  • me12/07/2010 at 12:18

    I think I preferred the ITV coverage, but obviously iPlayer is easier to use.

    5live did a weird thing by switching commentators mid-way through the game. no explanation.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 12:18

    I think I preferred the ITV coverage, but obviously iPlayer is easier to use.

    5live did a weird thing by switching commentators mid-way through the game. no explanation.

    Yeah I noticed that too.

  • RG12/07/2010 at 12:18

    5live did a weird thing by switching commentators mid-way through the game. no explanation.

    5Live always do that and they have done that on every football match for years. I don't know why they do that apart from presuming to give them a rest.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 12:19

    I don't think the issues I had with ITV were down to resources though.

    what were the issues? surely problems with talent comes from a lack of funds to be able to afford them, and who's prices are driven up by the bbc paying talent a fortune across the board.

    Well ITV paid big money for Adrian Chiles and Christine Bleakley, didn't they?

    Just as an outside observer here (and not knowing about financial situations or anything), I would say that although the UK coverage was far better technically than the Danish coverage, there seemed to be little research into the punditry, a lot of predjudice and bias for no reason, and other things I didn't like which I'd rather not go into...

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 12:22

    5live did a weird thing by switching commentators mid-way through the game. no explanation.

    they always do that - even for the Premiership

  • Alex Andronov12/07/2010 at 12:52

    5Live always do that and they have done that on every football match for years. I don't know why they do that apart from presuming to give them a rest.

    The radio people always need to do a lot more talking than the TV people. The Wimbledon radio coverage was insane... I couldn't believe how fast he was talking... it was Christinesque

  • me12/07/2010 at 13:08

    The radio people always need to do a lot more talking than the TV people. The Wimbledon radio coverage was insane... I couldn't believe how fast he was talking... it was Christinesque

    more than croftie though?

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 13:11

    The radio people always need to do a lot more talking than the TV people. The Wimbledon radio coverage was insane... I couldn't believe how fast he was talking... it was Christinesque

    more than croftie though?

    i'd say so, yeah...

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 13:11

    The radio people always need to do a lot more talking than the TV people. The Wimbledon radio coverage was insane... I couldn't believe how fast he was talking... it was Christinesque

    more than croftie though?

    And Croftie does the whole race, right? With a few short breaks, that's almost as long as a footy match...

  • me12/07/2010 at 13:13

    i'd say so, yeah...

    more than brazil '09 qualifying? :)

  • me12/07/2010 at 13:13

    And Croftie does the whole race, right? With a few short breaks, that's almost as long as a footy match...

    yeah

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 13:16

    And Croftie does the whole race, right? With a few short breaks, that's almost as long as a footy match...

    yeah

    So why switch commentators after 20 minutes? That's a cushy gig!

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 13:17

    So why switch commentators after 20 minutes? That's a cushy gig!

    It wasn't so much the switch that bothered me, but that I don't remember them saying anything about it.

    It's like when the kids go upstairs to wash their hands in Coronation Street and come back down a completely different person.

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 13:19

    more than brazil '09 qualifying? :)

    Sadly, I was at my niece's christening and missed all of it

    :(

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 13:20

    more than brazil '09 qualifying? :)

    Sadly, I was at my niece's christening and missed all of it

    :(

    Must have been a loooong christening then ;)

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 13:21

    more than brazil '09 qualifying? :)

    Sadly, I was at my niece's christening and missed all of it

    :(

    Must have been a loooong christening then ;)

    I'm Irish - it went on for long after it finished

    ;)

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 13:21

    I'm Irish - it went on for long after it finished

    ;)

    Awesome :D

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 14:33

    Peugeot's driver line-ups for Silverstone, Petit Le Mans and Zhuhai:

    http://www.endurance-info.com/version2/actualite-endurance-4774.html

    1,000km of Silverstone (September 10-12): one 908 HDi FAP

    In addition to the 908 HDi FAP entered by Team Oreca-Matmut, a factory Peugeot will contest the race with:

    Anthony DAVIDSON (GBR) / Nicolas MINASSIAN (FRA).

    Petit Le Mans, Road Atlanta (September 29-October 2): two 908 HDi FAPs

    Anthony DAVIDSON (GBR) / Marc GENE (ESP) / Alex WURZ (AUT)

    Pedro LAMY (POR) / Franck MONTAGNY (FRA) / Stéphane SARRAZIN (FRA)

    Zhuhai 1,000km (November 5-7): two 908 HDi FAPs

    Franck MONTAGNY (FRA) / Stéphane SARRAZIN (FRA)

    Sébastien BOURDAIS (FRA) / Simon PAGENAUD (FRA)

  • me12/07/2010 at 14:46

    Peugeot's driver line-ups for Silverstone, Petit Le Mans and Zhuhai

    zhuhai?

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 14:46

    zhuhai?

    Isn't that lolspeak?

  • me12/07/2010 at 14:47

    Isn't that lolspeak?

    :)

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 14:47

    Franck MONTAGNY (FRA) / Stéphane SARRAZIN (FRA)

    These days I don't know whether to be happy Franck is not in the car with Bourdais or worried that there's a Bordy car loose on track at the same time as him.

  • me12/07/2010 at 14:47

    rues missed chance for a roflcopter :(

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 14:50

    zhuhai?

    Isn't that lolspeak?

    :D

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 15:09

    zhuhai?

    It was built in the late 90s to host F1 races but they forgot to make it suitable, so it only got FIA Grade 1 or 2 status (can't remember, but whichever is the one below F1). Then Shanghai happened. It sort of opened the door though.

    I haven't seen a race but I've heard it also sucks..

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 15:10

    I've heard it also sucks..

    Is that really a surprise with an awful lot of the modern circuits

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 15:12

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/07/12/when-will-be-vitalys-time-to-shine/

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 15:24

    I feel like I've been in the office for an eternity...

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 15:25

    I feel like I've been in the office for an eternity...

    You realise it is now the year 2065, right..?

  • F1Wolf12/07/2010 at 15:33

    zhuhai?

    well, Zhuhai is the unofficial racing center for all the petrolheads from Hong Kong. it may not be good for F1 but it is the nearest permanent race track (1 hour by ferry) and unlike Shanghai it is permanently used. I know quite a lot of people who spend lots of time racing there.

  • me12/07/2010 at 15:36

    well, Zhuhai is the unofficial racing center for all the petrolheads from Hong Kong. it may not be good for F1 but it is the nearest permanent race track (1 hour by ferry) and unlike Shanghai it is permanently used. I know quite a lot of people who spend lots of time racing there.

    ah-ha. do you fancy watching some superleague? ;)

  • F1Wolf12/07/2010 at 15:40

    ah-ha. do you fancy watching some superleague?

    no, it may be near but for me the problem it is across the border I hate crossing :-)

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 15:41

    ah-ha. do you fancy watching some superleague? ;)

    We're talking Peugeot here.

    Don't be wishing Superleague onto people!! :)

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 15:46

    Don't be wishing Superleague onto people!! :)

    :)

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 15:47

    Nearly office-escape time, I'll need some non-screen time, back later...

  • me12/07/2010 at 15:51

    We're talking Peugeot here.

    Don't be wishing Superleague onto people!! :)

    oops!

  • me12/07/2010 at 16:58

    i'm telling ya, it's an involuntary reaction: http://twitpic.com/1vtm4m

  • Cali12/07/2010 at 17:20

    Wow, I didn't know you were speedway fans too! We were there at Cardiff and it was awesome. Great to see a new face and amazing for Chris to win his first British GP - and the friendship between Crump and Holder was v. touching. It meant we missed the F1 quali and had to watch the race as highlights - but so worth it for the atmosphere & racing at the Millennium stadium. Roll on 2011. You should come, it's so cheap compared with F1 and the crowd have to be heard to be believed!

  • RG12/07/2010 at 17:23

    Wow, I didn't know you were speedway fans too!

    I am thinking its just me really. ;) But yeah, I went last year and not too sure really why I didn't go this year. Atmosphere is unbelievable at Cardiff and this years race looked to be brilliant to go to. Shame the Brits didn't perform!

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 17:25

    I am thinking its just me really. ;) But yeah, I went last year and not too sure really why I didn't go this year. Atmosphere is unbelievable at Cardiff and this years race looked to be brilliant to go to. Shame the Brits didn't perform!

    I meant to tell you RG, my mum and stepdad were out in Cardiff saturday and had no idea what was going on - obviously it was the speedway. They did there were lots of very very friendly people from lots of countries walking about, yay for speedway!

  • RG12/07/2010 at 17:29

    I meant to tell you RG, my mum and stepdad were out in Cardiff saturday and had no idea what was going on - obviously it was the speedway. They did there were lots of very very friendly people from lots of countries walking about, yay for speedway!

    Speedway is awesome like that ;)

  • me12/07/2010 at 17:37

    loving your facebook "liking" work gavin ;)

  • Cali12/07/2010 at 17:38

    @RG - sorry I don't know how to do a reply! You're right, speedway fans are generally a very friendly lot, we had a random Polish guy crash our traditional family picture, but he seemed so excited to be in front of 10 people in union jack t-shirts we let him! We people watched while having lunch and I would've almost bet money that there were more Polish flags around than British, I suppose because lots of the Brits support their local team rather than country. And you're right the Brits had a very disappointing evening, I still remember the excitement of Bomber's win at Cardiff a few years back but no sign of that form on Saturday night.

    @lukeh - I can't imagine what it must be like to head to Cardiff for the day not knowing about the GP and walking into all that - sounds like they enjoyed it though! I wonder what the atmosphere is like on Rugby days?

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 17:41

    @lukeh - I can't imagine what it must be like to head to Cardiff for the day not knowing about the GP and walking into all that - sounds like they enjoyed it though! I wonder what the atmosphere is like on Rugby days?

    Rugby days at the millenium stadium are absolutely immense in experience. My favourite rugby match I've been to was a exhibition between Wales and the Barbarians with 75,000 full stadium. Really, really out of this world atmosphere.

  • RG12/07/2010 at 17:43

    We people watched while having lunch and I would've almost bet money that there were more Polish flags around than British, I suppose because lots of the Brits support their local team rather than country.

    The Polish love their speedway. I do like supporting both myself though. Shame for Harris, was kinds disappointed in Nicholls too because I thought he has been good for his clubs this season.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 17:46

    i'm telling ya, it's an involuntary reaction: http://twitpic.com/1vtm4m

    :D

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 17:47

    Evening again.

    Had planned to have an evening drink at the bay with mum and her sister. It started raining so they decided not to come... not telling me this 'til I was there. At least I had a nice drive. :)

  • RG12/07/2010 at 17:50

    Evening again.

    Heya Pat.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 18:07

    Wow, I didn't know you were speedway fans too! We were there at Cardiff and it was awesome. Great to see a new face and amazing for Chris to win his first British GP - and the friendship between Crump and Holder was v. touching. It meant we missed the F1 quali and had to watch the race as highlights - but so worth it for the atmosphere & racing at the Millennium stadium. Roll on 2011. You should come, it's so cheap compared with F1 and the crowd have to be heard to be believed!

    Hey Cali. I keep telling 'em - I have been to the Danish round a couple of times. Excellent value for money ;)

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 18:08

    loving your facebook "liking" work gavin ;)

    I can't be the only one, surely ;)

  • me12/07/2010 at 18:09

    I can't be the only one, surely ;)

    well, you're certainly doing more than most. tis appreciated.

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 18:10

    We people watched while having lunch and I would've almost bet money that there were more Polish flags around than British, I suppose because lots of the Brits support their local team rather than country.

    The Polish love their speedway. I do like supporting both myself though. Shame for Harris, was kinds disappointed in Nicholls too because I thought he has been good for his clubs this season.

    They were very emotional at the one I went to. Some were a little bit too aggressive but when their man won, I swear that some were in tears...

  • RubberGoat12/07/2010 at 18:10

    I can't be the only one, surely ;)

    well, you're certainly doing more than most. tis appreciated.

    It's certainly no problem ;)

  • RG12/07/2010 at 18:11

    They were very emotional at the one I went to. Some were a little bit too aggressive but when their man won, I swear that some were in tears...

    Speaking of... http://twitter.com/AussieGrit/status/18372331976

    Shame there was a race on this weekend because I'm sure he woulda been at Cardiff too.

  • Alex Andronov12/07/2010 at 18:12

    Afternoon everyone :)

    Mr C... Have you had much time to test the ye new commenting system on the iPad? It doesn't seem to like the post rendering or at least it doesn't seem to keep up very well with my typing speed. I know it's a new thing and i'm not criticising I just wasn't sure if you had spotted it.

  • me12/07/2010 at 18:13

    Mr C... Have you had much time to test the ye new commenting system on the iPad? It doesn't seem to like the post rendering or at least it doesn't seem to keep up very well with my typing speed. I know it's a new thing and i'm not criticising I just wasn't sure if you had spotted it.

    have had that issue. but i dont type fast. you mean the preview thing?

  • me12/07/2010 at 18:14

    have had that issue. but i dont type fast. you mean the preview thing?

    wait. i have NOT had that issue.

  • Alex Andronov12/07/2010 at 18:15

    Mr C... Have you had much time to test the ye new commenting system on the iPad? It doesn't seem to like the post rendering or at least it doesn't seem to keep up very well with my typing speed. I know it's a new thing and i'm not criticising I just wasn't sure if you had spotted it.

    Interestingly it works much faster on the iPhone 4. I wonder what the 3GS is like?

  • me12/07/2010 at 18:16

    Interestingly it works much faster on the iPhone 4. I wonder what the 3GS is like?

    it's either a slow javascript engine or slow rendering engine. i doubt there's anything i can do to improve it sadly.

  • Alex Andronov12/07/2010 at 18:17

    have had that issue. but i dont type fast. you mean the preview thing?

    Yeah the preview thing.

  • Alex Andronov12/07/2010 at 18:20

    it's either a slow javascript engine or slow rendering engine. i doubt there's anything i can do to improve it sadly.

    I have to test one more thing. I just suddenly realised that the time I am commenting that way is within the browser inside the feed reader. I wonder if it's struggling on RAM? I'll have to try when I get in (am walking up the hill to home at the mo).

  • me12/07/2010 at 18:21

    I have to test one more thing. I just suddenly realised that the time I am commenting that way is within the browser inside the feed reader. I wonder if it's struggling on RAM? I'll have to try when I get in (am walking up the hill to home at the mo).

    ahh could be. if christine ever returns with my her ipad. i'll let you know.

  • me12/07/2010 at 18:24

    ahh could be. if christine ever returns with my her ipad. i'll let you know.

    it's fine on my old ipod touch, if that helps.

  • Janna12/07/2010 at 18:34

    Hello all, last world cup song from Dave Henson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1uxDLazDK8 It's quite a sweet one, and a mention of Forlan in the commentary for Christine ;)

  • Leigh O'Gorman12/07/2010 at 18:43

    evening folks

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 18:46

    I've just finished watching the race just now.... I think it's really harsh Alonso was screwed by the safety car two races in a row....

  • RG12/07/2010 at 18:48

    I've just finished watching the race just now.... I think it's really harsh Alonso was screwed by the safety car two races in a row....

    Well, the penalty was given before that annoying Sutil ruined de la Rosa's race so... just the way it goes sometimes.

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 18:48

    I've just finished watching the race just now.... I think it's really harsh Alonso was screwed by the safety car two races in a row....

    Harsh in valencia but he wouldn't have had a problem with it on Sunday if he just gave Kubica his position back

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 19:00

    Goodwood is on ITV4 right now

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:04

    Harsh in valencia but he wouldn't have had a problem with it on Sunday if he just gave Kubica his position back

    Hmmm I thought the penalty was a tad mean at first. But when the safety car came out it was basically "go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect £200"

    The FIA knew the SC was coming when they announced the penalty..... They knew that would be the consequence of it.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:15

    Hi all

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:16

    Hi all

    Steeeeeeven :D

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:18

    The FIA knew the SC was coming when they announced the penalty..... They knew that would be the consequence of it.

    Alonso knew he would get a penalty when he passed Kubica unless he gave the position back but he decided to gamble. Sometimes when you gamble you lose. Domenicali after the race claimed he didn't give the position back because he didn't gain an advantage. He went into the corner second, came out of it first by overtaking off the track. To me that is an advantage. I have no sympathy for him.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:18

    Hi all

    Steeeeeeven :D

    First time I have seen that in a whilr

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:18

    First time I have seen that in a whilr

    while

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:19

    Alonso knew he would get a penalty when he passed Kubica unless he gave the position back but he decided to gamble. Sometimes when you gamble you lose. Domenicali after the race claimed he didn't give the position back because he didn't gain an advantage. He went into the corner second, came out of it first by overtaking off the track. To me that is an advantage. I have no sympathy for him.

    Rammed ff the road....

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:20

    Alonso knew he would get a penalty when he passed Kubica unless he gave the position back but he decided to gamble. Sometimes when you gamble you lose. Domenicali after the race claimed he didn't give the position back because he didn't gain an advantage. He went into the corner second, came out of it first by overtaking off the track. To me that is an advantage. I have no sympathy for him.

    I can see where Ferrari are coming from, they are arguing that as Kubica retired no advantage was gained. Its wrong but every team would argue the same.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:21

    I can see where Ferrari are coming from, they are arguing that as Kubica retired no advantage was gained. Its wrong but every team would argue the same.

    It seems silly... He would have given the place back when asked. He wasn't given the chance....

  • RG12/07/2010 at 19:22

    It seems silly... He would have given the place back when asked. He wasn't given the chance....

    There was about 5 laps between Alonso passing and Kubica retiring...

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 19:22

    It seems silly... He would have given the place back when asked. He wasn't given the chance....

    Sorry Alison but I disagree. Most drivers would've given it back immediatedly, Alonso knew what he was doing and wasn't going to give it back.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:22

    Rammed ff the road....

    Nonsense. He should have given up the corner. That is what his left pedal is for. He chose to put his car in a position where he was never going to get round the corner on the track

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:22

    There was about 5 laps between Alonso passing and Kubica retiring...

    Why didn't they ask him to give it back?

  • RG12/07/2010 at 19:23

    Why didn't they ask him to give it back?

    Surely he didn't need to be told to give it back? I think he knew what he did.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 19:23

    Why didn't they ask him to give it back?

    They did. Kubica in his interview with Holly said he'd been told officially he'd get the place back.

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:24

    Sorry Alison but I disagree. Most drivers would've given it back immediatedly, Alonso knew what he was doing and wasn't going to give it back.

    as Brundle said, "doing a Hamilton" he was simply trying to negate any penalty.

    what annoyed me more was that incident resulted in comments in the bbc forum that Kubica and Alonso's friendship would suffer. along with Brundle's comment that Alonso blocked Kubica coming to Ferrari next year.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:24

    Surely he didn't need to be told to give it back? I think he knew what he did.

    He was pushed off the road though. In a sensible world, you'd be able to ask race control there and then what you had to do and they'd tell you....

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:24

    They did. Kubica in his interview with Holly said he'd been told officially he'd get the place back.

    and then Kubica retired...

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:25

    I can see where Ferrari are coming from, they are arguing that as Kubica retired no advantage was gained. Its wrong but every team would argue the same.

    Every driver is racing agaonst every other driver. Had he stayed behind Kubica rather than passed in the way he did he would have dropped behind Button rather than being a second and a half ahead of him. Ferrari have no case whatever.

    Lewis passed Kimi at Spa in a similar incident. Lewis gave the place back then passed Kimi legally and still got a penalty. I don't remember Ferrari saying that was unfair. Ferrari are just having a strop.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:26

    It seems silly... He would have given the place back when asked. He wasn't given the chance....

    He shouldn't need to be told. A double world champion should know that gaining a position by leaving the track is illegal and you give the position back.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:27

    Why didn't they ask him to give it back?

    Stewards need a month to decide what biscuits to have with their tea

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:27

    Lewis passed Kimi at Spa in a similar incident. Lewis gave the place back then passed Kimi legally and still got a penalty. I don't remember Ferrari saying that was unfair. Ferrari are just having a strop.

    That incident came be seen in so many ways though. should alonso have given the place back, yes, did he? no. i'm an alonso fan and i'm not that bothered by the race.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:27

    He shouldn't need to be told. A double world champion should know that gaining a position by leaving the track is illegal and you give the position back.

    Look at all the mess Hamilton got into last year at Melbourne though waiting for official decisions that never came giving advice about returning positions... They played it "safe" and gave the position back and it turned out to be wrong...

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:28

    what annoyed me more was that incident resulted in comments in the bbc forum that Kubica and Alonso's friendship would suffer. along with Brundle's comment that Alonso blocked Kubica coming to Ferrari next year.

    It's not going to affect their friendship but I would not be surprised if Alonso blocked Kubica going to Ferrari

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:28

    He was pushed off the road though. In a sensible world, you'd be able to ask race control there and then what you had to do and they'd tell you....

    He was not pushed off the road. He put his car in a position where there was no chance of getting through the corner

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:29

    It's not going to affect their friendship but I would not be surprised if Alonso blocked Kubica going to Ferrari

    but that suggests that Alonso has Ferrari over a barrel and is calling the shots. If he is its impressive as he's only been there 9 months or so.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:29

    Look at all the mess Hamilton got into last year at Melbourne though waiting for official decisions that never came giving advice about returning positions... They played it "safe" and gave the position back and it turned out to be wrong...

    That was during a safety car period though. Race control had time to think about it.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:30

    He was not pushed off the road. He put his car in a position where there was no chance of getting through the corner

    They were side by side already so he should have been given enough room to get round the corner on the track. It's not like Kubica left an Alonso sized space as he went round.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:31

    That was during a safety car period though. Race control had time to think about it.

    They never gave any response during the race though.

  • RG12/07/2010 at 19:31

    They were side by side already so he should have been given enough room to get round the corner on the track. It's not like Kubica left an Alonso sized space as he went round.

    Why should he? He was using the racing line right and as long as he stuck to that why should he let him through?

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:31

    but that suggests that Alonso has Ferrari over a barrel and is calling the shots. If he is its impressive as he's only been there 9 months or so.

    Ferrari have spent a fortune on Alonso so they will want him to have a team mate he is happy with. They see him as their future and their best chance of winning. It is normal practise in teams to do that I bet Lewis approved Jenson for example

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:32

    Why should he? He was using the racing line right and as long as he stuck to that why should he let him through?

    If someone is side by side with you, I think you have an obligation to leave them track room at least as wide as their car.... If you don't and they go off the road to avoid a crash then I think that's your problem.

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:32

    Why should he? He was using the racing line right and as long as he stuck to that why should he let him through?

    i do believe kubica was in a place he had never been all weekend.

    if schumi had done what kubica did, we would all be decrying the move, now and for the next 10 years.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:33

    They were side by side already so he should have been given enough room to get round the corner on the track. It's not like Kubica left an Alonso sized space as he went round.

    Alonso was on the outside of a very narrow corner. There is no possible way to overtake there. Alonso should have conceeded the corner. He knew when he decided not to that he was going off the track to make the pass. It was not something that came as a surprise mid corner

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:34

    replay here, btw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NXKeVsqPX8

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:34

    Alonso was on the outside of a very narrow corner. There is no possible way to overtake there.

    he was on the racing line. kubica had lost the corner.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:35

    i do believe kubica was in a place he had never been all weekend.

    DC after the race said that Kubica was always going to run wide there. Of course he was in a place he had not been all weekend. Alonso was outside him preventing him taking his normal entry line so his exit is dictated by the entry line

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:35

    Ferrari have spent a fortune on Alonso so they will want him to have a team mate he is happy with. They see him as their future and their best chance of winning. It is normal practise in teams to do that I bet Lewis approved Jenson for example

    but no driver is bigger than Ferrari, so we keep being told. The team have faith in Felipe or he wouldn't be there at all, and the team is these days run on policy of both being equal.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:35

    he was on the racing line. kubica had lost the corner.

    That's what I saw....

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:36

    DC after the race said that Kubica was always going to run wide there.

    shades of melbourne 2009?

    *giess off to compare footage*

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:36

    *giess off to compare footage*

    geese? goes.

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:36

    geese? goes.

    for what its worth i read it as goes. :P

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:37

    shades of melbourne 2009?

    ah no, it was vettel who ran wide there.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:38

    he was on the racing line. kubica had lost the corner.

    Alosno was on the outside of the left hander and had lost the corner there. Anyone who thinks two cars are gong to go through a tight chicane side by side is being massively optimistic. Maybe possible at the Ascari chicane at Monza but I doubt at many others.

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:40

    Alosno was on the outside of the left hander and had lost the corner there.

    i disagree.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:40

    but no driver is bigger than Ferrari, so we keep being told. The team have faith in Felipe or he wouldn't be there at all, and the team is these days run on policy of both being equal.

    Schumacher was bigger than Ferrari. He took Brawn, Byrne Stepney etc to Maranello and totally changed the team to suit himself and as a result Ferrari had the most successful period in the history after their least successful.

  • Lady Snowcat12/07/2010 at 19:40

    Ferrari have spent a fortune on Alonso so they will want him to have a team mate he is happy with. They see him as their future and their best chance of winning.

    Ferrari would have done a tad better this year without Santander's poster boy me thinks...

    It is normal practise in teams to do that I bet Lewis approved Jenson for example

    I am 100% certain that Lewis had no say in it... but I think he preferred Jense to the alternative...

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 19:41

    Alosno was on the outside of the left hander and had lost the corner there. Anyone who thinks two cars are gong to go through a tight chicane side by side is being massively optimistic. Maybe possible at the Ascari chicane at Monza but I doubt at many others.

    Sorry Steve, I beg to differ Alonso was on the racing line and Kubes pushed him out. I think Ferrari should have told Alonso to give back the position though and the rest was simply bad luck for Alonso which is pity for the fans.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:41

    Ferrari would have done a tad better this year without Santander's poster boy me thinks...

    They'd have done better if Massa would move out his road....

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:41

    watch the two cars in front of the battle, they take alonso's line. the only person in a different position is kubica.

  • Lady Snowcat12/07/2010 at 19:42

    They'd have done better if Massa would move out his road....

    Yes if you put it like that I guess he has shown that he can't overtake cleanly...

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:43

    i disagree.

    It is unrealistic to think Kubica is just going to cruise through the left hander to leave the apex of the right hander to Alonso. There is no way Alonso had come close to completing the overtake at that stage and even with a backmarker trying to get out of his way in that position I doubt he could have made the pass and stayed on the road.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:43

    Yes if you put it like that I guess he has shown that he can't overtake cleanly...

    It's hard to get round someone in an identical car. I think Massa isn't aggressive enough to try and overtake sensibly.

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:43

    Ferrari would have done a tad better this year without Santander's poster boy me thinks...

    Considering Santander want Massa in the team because of the Brazillian market both are, and we have no way of knowing what Kimi would be able to do.

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 19:43

    I do not actually buy all this that Alonso would not have Kubica as a team mate stuff. Kubes is a bit of prima dona himself (like Alonso) so he like the idea of being the number 1 driver. I am sure Kubes would not actually like Renault to consider Heidfeld as a team mate for next year.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:44

    Ferrari would have done a tad better this year without Santander's poster boy me thinks...

    He has certainly made a few mistakes but for me if he can handle everything that goes with being a Ferrari driver he will bring them success but only of they keep him totally happy

  • Lady Snowcat12/07/2010 at 19:45

    Considering Santander want Massa in the team because of the Brazillian market both are, and we have no way of knowing what Kimi would be able to do.

    We know he doesn't shunt his team-mate off... generally gets off the line very well... and never ever throws his toys out of the pram...

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:46

    We know he doesn't shunt his team-mate off... generally gets off the line very well... and never ever throws his toys out of the pram...

    Alonso didn't shove Massa anywhere.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:46

    Sorry Steve, I beg to differ Alonso was on the racing line and Kubes pushed him out. I think Ferrari should have told Alonso to give back the position though and the rest was simply bad luck for Alonso which is pity for the fans.

    Alonso was on the normal entry line to the corner but Kubica was on the inside and had the apex. Alonso could easily have blended in behind him and followed him though. If Kubica had been overtaken in the middle of the chicane he would be getting slaughtered for not being a proper racer.

  • Lady Snowcat12/07/2010 at 19:47

    He has certainly made a few mistakes

    He has made a ton of mistakes especially the minute he's under pressure....

    As for Massa I am not convinced he really over his accident... but then being shunted by your team-mate doesn't help...

  • Lady Snowcat12/07/2010 at 19:47

    Alonso didn't shove Massa anywhere.

    Hmmm...

    That's not what I saw....

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 19:49

    Hehehehe, I heart this video. What if classic video games had a super easy mode?

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1938370

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 19:49

    As for Massa I am not convinced he really over his accident... but then being shunted by your team-mate doesn't help...

    I think Alonso is over-driving and making more mistakes that is his norm. Sadly have to agree the Massa does not seem as competitive as before the accident (or the car simply does not suit him). He is really struggling in qualifying.

  • Alison12/07/2010 at 19:49

    Alonso didn't shove Massa anywhere.

    Massa knocked Alonso (along with half the field at one time or another...) off the track a couple of races ago.

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:50

    That's not what I saw....

    Massa came from behind, tried to overtake and his rear tyre got caught by Alonso wing at the next corner. at no point was Massa shoved anywhere.

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:52

    Alonso was on the normal entry line to the corner but Kubica was on the inside and had the apex. Alonso could easily have blended in behind him and followed him though. If Kubica had been overtaken in the middle of the chicane he would be getting slaughtered for not being a proper racer.

    kubica could've taken a tighter line and not ran a competitor off the track.

    i like kubs, but that is a schumacher/hamilton special right there.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:52

    watch the two cars in front of the battle, they take alonso's line. the only person in a different position is kubica.

    Kubica is defending the corner because Alonso is trying to pass. He is on a standard defensive line but not the normal racing line. It is perfectly acceptable to defend the corner. Kubica's exit from the left hander is different to normal because what he is trying to achieve is different. A dingle car going through that chicane is simply trying to get the maximum exit speed from the right hander so will compromise the exit to the left hander to get a better entry to the right. Kubica is trying to prevent an overtake and because his entry is so much tighter he runs wider, earlier on the exit. This is absolutely fundamental geometry/physics. If you enter on an inside line you take an earlier apex and an earlier exit. He is prepared to do that because all he is trying to achieve is to stay ahead of Alonso so once he has completed the exit of the left hander he knows he is going to exit the chicane ahead. Alonso knows that as well and decided to leave the track and make the pass.

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 19:54

    i like kubs, but that is a schumacher/hamilton special right there.

    well put my thoughts precisely. I am afraid the rest was poor gambling on Ferrari's part.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:55

    As for Massa I am not convinced he really over his accident... but then being shunted by your team-mate doesn't help...

    I agree about Massa not being over the accident. I expected Alonso to comfortably beat him before the accident last year but a head injury like that takes a long time to get over. I have seen a few drivers in the past after they have finished racing admit that a serious accident took them two years to get over properly

  • Lady Snowcat12/07/2010 at 19:55

    Massa came from behind,

    Ah yes... he came from 4 spaces back on the grid didn't he?.... and he's certainly not on top form... interesting...

  • me12/07/2010 at 19:56

    I am afraid the rest was poor gambling on Ferrari's part.

    agreed. and with stewarding decisions this favouring the brave this year (weaving etc), it was probably worth the gamble.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 19:57

    Goodwood is on ITV4 right now

    Mostly celeb-pandering and style et luxe twaddle, though they found time to talk to Jackie Stewart about the Lotus and show the top ten runoff.

    I was expecting a bit of a walk through the paddock or a mention of Karun or especially Bruno, but no, Jenson's dad was apparently more important.

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:57

    Ah yes... he came from 4 spaces back on the grid didn't he?.... and he's certainly not on top form... interesting...

    Fernando had a bad start simple as, and whilst Felipe has shown flashes of speed he has struggled this year.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 19:58

    Hehehehe, I heart this video. What if classic video games had a super easy mode?

    :D

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 19:58

    Fernando had a bad start simple as, and whilst Felipe has shown flashes of speed he has struggled this year.

    especially in qualifying - whereas in the past he did not have such problems.

  • James12/07/2010 at 19:58

    agreed. and with stewarding decisions this favouring the brave this year (weaving etc), it was probably worth the gamble.

    that reminds me of a video i've seen from the Spanish media, portraying Hamilton as an outlaw who gets away with things, was rather funny. :)

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 19:58

    :D

    My favourite one is the Space Invaders one :)

  • Lady Snowcat12/07/2010 at 20:00

    Fernando had a bad start .

    You missed out one word...

    That would be ...again...

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 20:01

    Hehehehe, I heart this video. What if classic video games had a super easy mode?

    Ha :D

  • jpancoast12/07/2010 at 20:01

    At least on the feed/coverage of qualifying I watched, after it was all over, they showed Alonso standing there for several minutes totally scoping out one of the Red Bulls.

  • me12/07/2010 at 20:02

    that reminds me of a video i've seen from the Spanish media, portraying Hamilton as an outlaw who gets away with things, was rather funny. :)

    i have to admit i think the driver steward thing is a massive fail this year. no consistency. on paper it looked like a solid decision, in practice it's been a disaster.

  • James12/07/2010 at 20:02

    Fernando had a bad start .

    You missed out one word...

    That would be ...again...

    I'm aware of that but right now he's push that Ferrari for all its worth mistakes will happen.

  • James12/07/2010 at 20:04

    At least on the feed/coverage of qualifying I watched, after it was all over, they showed Alonso standing there for several minutes totally scoping out one of the Red Bulls.

    hehe. i loved that, i've seen an image with him and felipe looking at and you can tell they want to steal it.

  • lou12/07/2010 at 20:04

    We have no phone signal here what so ever, BUT the lady we are staying with (my friends aunt) has given us the code for her wifi.

    I love it here already. Currently sitting with a cup of tea and watching the birds on the sea :) soo lovely :)

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 20:05

    I'm aware of that but right now he's push that Ferrari for all its worth mistakes will happen.

    I am feeling for Alonso - he is trying so very hard (too hard?) and yet the results are just not reflecting that effort. He definately offended a god or two up in the heavens.

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 20:07

    i have to admit i think the driver steward thing is a massive fail this year. no consistency. on paper it looked like a solid decision, in practice it's been a disaster.

    It suffers from the same problem as before - different people at each race.

    And they seem to be expected to know every regulation intimately, that's not their job, I think some/most were expecting to provide a drivers' eye view as Damon said at Monaco.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 20:07

    i have to admit i think the driver steward thing is a massive fail this year. no consistency. on paper it looked like a solid decision, in practice it's been a disaster.

    I think it is hard to assess because the driver is only one of four stewards.

    I would like to see one steward only and the same one for the whole season to get fast consisten decisions. It works perfectly well in other championships. For me Tony Scott-Andrews is the man and I think he should have a driver as his advisor and again the same one all season.

  • lou12/07/2010 at 20:08

    Sorry Steven. I rang lukeh from the beach earlier but we were all getting all getting a bit grumpy without communication

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 20:08

    We have no phone signal here what so ever, BUT the lady we are staying with (my friends aunt) has given us the code for her wifi.

    Wher are you?

  • James12/07/2010 at 20:08

    I am feeling for Alonso - he is trying so very hard (too hard?) and yet the results are just not reflecting that effort. He definately offended a god or two up in the heavens.

    yep, he has such heart and as a fan i love that he still thinks he can win the title, I don't think he will but provided Ferrari start getting some luck they will interfere with the title battle.

  • me12/07/2010 at 20:09

    And they seem to be expected to know every regulation intimately, that's not their job, I think some/most were expecting to provide a drivers' eye view as Damon said at Monaco.

    the problem is, the driver's eye varies.

    imagine having schumi judge your move one weekend, and coulthard the next. how can that ever hope to work?

  • me12/07/2010 at 20:09

    I would like to see one steward only and the same one for the whole season to get fast consisten decisions. It works perfectly well in other championships. For me Tony Scott-Andrews is the man and I think he should have a driver as his advisor and again the same one all season.

    i'd agree with that.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 20:11

    yep, he has such heart and as a fan i love that he still thinks he can win the title, I don't think he will but provided Ferrari start getting some luck they will interfere with the title battle.

    I think he needs someone to do what Gerhard Berger did for Ayrton Senna and lighten him up a bit. Senna became a better driver as a result

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 20:12

    Sorry Steven. I rang lukeh from the beach earlier but we were all getting all getting a bit grumpy without communication

    Awww. You have to be connected to the world.

  • jpancoast12/07/2010 at 20:12

    I am feeling for Alonso - he is trying so very hard (too hard?) and yet the results are just not reflecting that effort. He definately offended a god or two up in the heavens.

    I definitely felt sorry for him yesterday.

  • lou12/07/2010 at 20:13

    Wher are you?

    Devon :)

  • James12/07/2010 at 20:14

    I think he needs someone to do what Gerhard Berger did for Ayrton Senna and lighten him up a bit. Senna became a better driver as a result

    agreed. and that has just reminded me that he did a video chat earlier on the ferrari site and i missed it!

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 20:15

    Sorry Steven. I rang lukeh from the beach earlier but we were all getting all getting a bit grumpy without communication

    It is hard to let it go.. It does help to have a clean break for a day or two though

  • lou12/07/2010 at 20:16

    It is hard to let it go.. It does help to have a clean break for a day or two though

    yeah it's nice just to have an iPod touch :)

  • James12/07/2010 at 20:16

    agreed. and that has just reminded me that he did a video chat earlier on the ferrari site and i missed it!

    also ferrari need to learn how to use spacing on their articles: http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/100712_F1_videochat_alonso.aspx

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 20:18

    Glad there is a bit of Alonso going around on the site tonight. Being a Rosberg fan he had an excellent drive on Sunday (sure there was a bit of luck) but to finish on the podium with a damaged Merc was not a bad achievement.

  • James12/07/2010 at 20:18

    i have to admit i think the driver steward thing is a massive fail this year. no consistency. on paper it looked like a solid decision, in practice it's been a disaster.

    to be fair though it was worth the gamble in doing it, at the start everyone was very positive over doing it.

    the Spanish media's view on Hamilton and his penalties: http://yfrog.com/izoutlawz

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 20:22

    Devon :)

    Lots of photos then?

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 20:23

    the Spanish media's view on Hamilton and his penalties: http://yfrog.com/izoutlawz

    Hilarious thanks for the link!

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 20:25

    Glad there is a bit of Alonso going around on the site tonight. Being a Rosberg fan he had an excellent drive on Sunday (sure there was a bit of luck) but to finish on the podium with a damaged Merc was not a bad achievement.

    Rosberg has had a good seson so far. The unfortunate thing for him is that no-one knows how good his team mate is so there is no way of knowing of Rosberg is doing particularly well or the car is better than people think

  • Red Dog12/07/2010 at 20:28

    Rosberg has had a good seson so far. The unfortunate thing for him is that no-one knows how good his team mate is so there is no way of knowing of Rosberg is doing particularly well or the car is better than people think

    There is way to test it, upgrade the team with Heidfeld - if he does the same to Heidfeld then he must be better than Kubes!

  • lou12/07/2010 at 20:34

    Lots of photos then?

    not yet. But she does have the most amazing border colly dog who I'm considering taking home lol there is a beautiful island across the causeway... Will go for an explore tomorrow

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 20:35

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/2010/07/12/karun-regains-the-lead-on-christines-rankings/

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 20:36

    not yet. But she does have the most amazing border colly dog who I'm considering taking home lol there is a beautiful island across the causeway... Will go for an explore tomorrow

    Sounds familiar, where is this?

  • lou12/07/2010 at 20:37

    Sounds familiar, where is this?

    bearish to bigbury

  • lou12/07/2010 at 20:37

    bearish to bigbury

    nearish even

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 20:38

    Sounds familiar, where is this?

    bearish to bigbury

    Oh, maybe not then :)

  • Kathi12/07/2010 at 21:01

    Yay accomodation for London sorted. ♥ Emma #Spa

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 21:01

    Yay accomodation for London sorted. ♥ Emma #Spa

    Oh yeah, I got mine sorted the other day too

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 21:09

    Right, I will get this blog post done if it kills me. Been writing on and off for a few days, trying to figure out the right way to do it...

    Now listening to Giggles Radio - Early Bird S while writing, as I discovered Saturday that watching a race at the same time was too distracting...

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 21:11

    Now listening to Giggles Radio - Early Bird S while writing, as I discovered Saturday that watching a race at the same time was too distracting...

    Ahh, are you following the comments for that? Was a stressful show!

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 21:17

    Ahh, are you following the comments for that? Was a stressful show!

    Yeah I do usually follow comments. I've got it open in the netbook so I can blog more freely on this one. Thing is because it has fallen off the thread selector I can't use LCLT as I would when live, so I can either see comments or video.

    Just on this blog post, I have decided to write this post and one more like it (same format as the Cathedral Paddock post) then a summary to tie it together with links to all my stuff and to lots of other people's stuff. I'm determined to finish it this year because I didn't last year. But not all tonight.

  • Christine12/07/2010 at 21:21

    Just on this blog post, I have decided to write this post and one more like it (same format as the Cathedral Paddock post) then a summary to tie it together with links to all my stuff and to lots of other people's stuff. I'm determined to finish it this year because I didn't last year. But not all tonight.

    Excellent, keep up the good work :)

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 21:22

    Now listening to Giggles Radio - Early Bird S while writing, as I discovered Saturday that watching a race at the same time was too distracting...

    Ahh, are you following the comments for that? Was a stressful show!

    So I'm 3 songs in and it is a classic already, he's far too good at this :)

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 21:23

    Excellent, keep up the good work :)

    Ta :)

  • Marilene Riddle12/07/2010 at 21:43

    Is Mr or Mrs C around? I need help with setting up a poll for something I planned with the daily.

    #notreallyhere

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 21:48

    Is Mr or Mrs C around? I need help with setting up a poll for something I planned with the daily.

    #notreallyhere

    Apparently not. e-mail them at [email protected] and [email protected] and when they pop up here someone will tell them to check their e-mail

  • Marilene Riddle12/07/2010 at 21:49

    Apparently not. e-mail them at [email protected] and [email protected] and when they pop up here someone will tell them to check their e-mail

    About to do just that. But thanks anyway. ;)

    #backtowork

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 21:58

    hmmm!

    http://dcist.com/2010/07/bum-bum_bum-bum.php

    /via @IsItMayYet

  • Pat W12/07/2010 at 22:31

    The 2012 IndyCar chassis supplier announcement will be on Wednesday. There's a rumour floating around Twitter that representatives from Dallara will be present, including the CEO.

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 22:41

    If Lou is still around she will be pleased to know Jessica and Jenson were together on Sunday

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1294035/Jenson-Button-reignites-romance-Jessica-Michibata.html

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 22:48

    If Lou is still around she will be pleased to know Jessica and Jenson were together on Sunday

    Will let her know tomorrow, I'm sure it'll delight her :)

  • Lukeh12/07/2010 at 22:49

    James Allen is mega impressed by the upcoming Senna biopic film:

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/07/senna-movie-treat-in-store-for-f1-fans-this-autumn/

  • Steven Roy12/07/2010 at 22:53

    Will let her know tomorrow, I'm sure it'll delight her :)

    Thought it might

  • Journeyer13/07/2010 at 05:37

    James Allen is mega impressed by the upcoming Senna biopic film:

    I was excited about this from Day 1, and now that it is indeed pushing through, I'd LOVE to see it. Knowing our country, though, it will not make it to our cinemas. I will certainly buy the DVD if and when it comes out. :)

  • Journeyer13/07/2010 at 05:37

    If Lou is still around she will be pleased to know Jessica and Jenson were together on Sunday

    Will let her know tomorrow, I'm sure it'll delight her

    YEEEEEEES! :D

  • Journeyer13/07/2010 at 05:38

    Will let her know tomorrow, I'm sure it'll delight her

    Thought it might

    Come to think of it... this is a bit similar to Lewis and Nicole - broke up, then got back together within months. :)

  • Alison13/07/2010 at 06:37

    YEEEEEEES! :D

    A little overexcited there? :P

  • Journeyer13/07/2010 at 06:44

    YEEEEEEES! :D

    A little overexcited there? :P

    Juuust a touch. ;)