Well, there really is no F1 news at the moment, which is only fair, as we're taking a nice break and I guess the F1 people are as well. That being said, here are some of the other motorsport news happening at the moment:

  • MotoGP practice sessions are apparently going to return to being an hour long after being slashed to 45 minutes in a bid to cost cuts. Friday practice was cancelled altogether, but from the next event, they will up the amount of practice time available to riders. It seems there are only so many places you can cut costs, then, before the teams start to rally against the regulations.
  • The BTCC rounds to be held at Donington Park will go ahead after all. Apparently, they were in dispute as the track didn't hold the correct licences, but this issue has obviously been sorted and the three rounds will be held on 16th and 17th March.
  • Team Ireland got the job done during qualifying at Brands Hatch for A1GP, with Adam Carroll taking pole position for both the feature and sprint race. Team Great Britain could only manage 14th with Dan Clarke behind the wheel.

That'll do it for now. Good luck talking about those things, as I've no idea what I just wrote about really! Hopefully there will be some more news, although I still understand if there isn't. Nevertheless, I'll see you in the comments.

514 responses

  • Jon Waldock02/05/2009 at 23:09

    Before i off to bed....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8030766.stm

    This is amazing!

    Night

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:11

    This is amazing!

    she parked in a no parking zone for 3 weeks and the car doesn't get a ticket?

    :)

  • Steven Roy02/05/2009 at 23:12

    This is amazing!

    Wait till someone drives into it because they didn't see it.

  • Jon Waldock02/05/2009 at 23:12

    she parked in a no parking zone for 3 weeks and the car doesn't get a ticket?

    maybe she painted over it :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)02/05/2009 at 23:13

    she parked in a no parking zone for 3 weeks and the car doesn't get a ticket?

    That is amazing!

  • Andy Taylor02/05/2009 at 23:14

    Wait till someone drives into it because they didn't see it.

    I assume that the illusion is less than perfect from another angle to the one in the picture.

  • Steven Roy02/05/2009 at 23:15

    I assume that the illusion is less than perfect from another angle to the one in the picture.

    It's like those 3D pavement drawings. They look amazing from one viewpoint but from anywhere else they look ridiculous.

  • Lukeh02/05/2009 at 23:39

    I had hadd the doohickey go doocrazy, just to alert mr c.

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:40

    I had hadd the doohickey go doocrazy, just to alert mr c.

    i may need a little more info.

  • Lukeh02/05/2009 at 23:42

    i may need a little more info.

    http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/Lukehmuse/doocrazy.jpg

    my comment kept appearing from 6pm when i tried to comment overwriting my actual comment, then a message would appear saying i had to comment on the write daily post, even though it was... and that buttons problem from the other day

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:43

    my comment kept appearing from 6pm when i tried to comment overwriting my actual comment, then a message would appear saying i had to comment on the write daily post, even though it was... and that buttons problem from the other day

    that is quite crazy!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)02/05/2009 at 23:43

    i may need a little more info.

    http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/Lukehmuse/doocrazy.jpg

    my comment kept appearing from 6pm when i tried to comment overwriting my actual comment, then a message would appear saying i had to comment on the write daily post, even though it was... and that buttons problem from the other day

    What browser you using?

  • Lukeh02/05/2009 at 23:44

    What browser you using?

    desktoppy doohickey

  • guille230602/05/2009 at 23:44

    Sorry to add to the problems list... I have a small problem with the doohickey. Since (at least) yesterday is not allowing me to 'Reply': I press de button and nothing happens, but the quickcomment does work. Only thing I did was to upgrade to FF 3.0.10 :-(

  • guille230602/05/2009 at 23:46

    correction: it does let me reply, but only to the active thread, apprently (didn't noticed it before)

  • Steven Roy02/05/2009 at 23:46

    Sorry to add to the problems list... I have a small problem with the doohickey. Since (at least) yesterday is not allowing me to 'Reply': I press de button and nothing happens, but the quickcomment does work. Only thing I did was to upgrade to FF 3.0.10 :-(

    Are you replying on the thread that is showing in the pull down menu because that is the only thread you can reply in. If you want to reply to a different thread change the thread in the pull down menu and your reply button should work.

  • Jon Waldock02/05/2009 at 23:47

    correction: it does let me reply, but only to the active thread, apprently (didn't noticed it before)

    s'what its meant to do i think, stops us replying in the wrong threads

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:47

    Sorry to add to the problems list... I have a small problem with the doohickey. Since (at least) yesterday is not allowing me to 'Reply': I press de button and nothing happens, but the quickcomment does work. Only thing I did was to upgrade to FF 3.0.10 :-(

    looks fine on 3.0.10 to me (just upgraded). is it that you've got the daily post for the 3rd may selected, and most comments are still trickling in on the 2nd?

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:47

    correction: it does let me reply, but only to the active thread, apprently (didn't noticed it before)

    that's cool. and by design. apologies for the confusion.

  • Andy Taylor02/05/2009 at 23:48

    correction: it does let me reply, but only to the active thread, apprently (didn't noticed it before)

    THat's not a bug, it's a feature. The feature that saved the doohickey.

  • Lukeh02/05/2009 at 23:48

    THat's not a bug, it's a feature.

    Hi Mr gates! :D

  • guille230602/05/2009 at 23:49

    that's cool. and by design. apologies for the confusion.

    Nice :-)

    Then it's not a problem :D

  • Scott Woodwiss02/05/2009 at 23:50

    I'm off for the night. See you tomorrow chaps and chapesses :)

  • Lukeh02/05/2009 at 23:50

    I'm off for the night. See you tomorrow chaps and chapesses :)

    night scott :)

  • littlepurplegoth02/05/2009 at 23:51

    Hi Mr gates! :D

    ROFL

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    nope, stil ROFL

    Could even become a PMSLUMWFU but I'd be on the wrong website/newsgroup

  • Andy Taylor02/05/2009 at 23:52

    Hi Mr gates! :D

    Oi! For once, the phrase is entirely accurate.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)02/05/2009 at 23:52

    Could even become a PMSLUMWFU but I'd be on the wrong website/newsgroup

    That's waaay too long to be an acronym!

  • guille230602/05/2009 at 23:53

    Nice

    Then it's not a problem

    Sorry, I'm slightly susceptible after a major system upgrade last night...

  • littlepurplegoth02/05/2009 at 23:54

    That's waaay too long to be an acronym!

    Not on the newsgroup it comes from...

    ;-)

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:55

    Not on the newsgroup it comes from...

    there's a newsgroup for people who use very long acronyms?

    actually... it's even an acronym is it?

  • Andy Taylor02/05/2009 at 23:55

    That's waaay too long to be an acronym!

    PLus she missed the G - it's PMSL Until My Green Wellies Filled Up :)

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:56

    actually... it's even an acronym is it?

    *not even.

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:56

    PLus she missed the G - it's PMSL Until My Green Wellies Filled Up :)

    roflcopter says all that and more in far less characters?

  • littlepurplegoth02/05/2009 at 23:56

    and argh... I even missed out a couple of letters... its longer than that...

  • Andy Taylor02/05/2009 at 23:58

    actually... it's even an acronym is it?

    Yes it is. Christine would like the group as it's the Archers Newsgroup (uk.media.radio.archers)

    They have other acronyms including TWATBILI - That Was A Typo, But I Like It.

  • me02/05/2009 at 23:58

    Yes it is.

    tell me why it's an acronym.

  • Andy Taylor02/05/2009 at 23:58

    roflcopter says all that and more in far less characters?

    Grrrrr. It's not an acronym I use a lot, I just know what it means.

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:00

    Although for sheer beauty and brevity

    PEBKAC

    takes some beating :-)

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:02

    tell me why it's an acronym.

    Technically it's not an acronym like "LASER" or TARDIS.

    Is the correct term for things like PMSLUMGWFU an abbreviation?

    Thinking about it, the correct abbreviation is ILUMGWO - I'll leave you to work that one out for yourselves.

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:03

    How did Flibster manage to reply to LPG on yesterday's thread?

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:04

    Is the correct term for things like PMSLUMGWFU an abbreviation?

    that was what i was thinking.

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:04

    How did Flibster manage to reply to LPG on yesterday's thread?

    he's odd.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 00:04

    tell me why it's an acronym.

    Technically it's not an acronym like "LASER" or TARDIS.

    Is the correct term for things like PMSLUMGWFU an abbreviation?

    Thinking about it, the correct abbreviation is ILUMGWO - I'll leave you to work that one out for yourselves.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym

    Too late in the evening for proper English (which I was never good at anyway!)

    Good night all!

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:06

    that was what i was thinking.

    Next thing you'll be telling me Which Tyler lead the Pedant's Revolt. :p

  • guille230603/05/2009 at 00:06

    Technically it's not an acronym like "LASER" or TARDIS.

    Is the correct term for things like PMSLUMGWFU an abbreviation?

    It's an acronym. But usually one uses acronyms to shorten and simplify, not to put 25 unreadable letters one behind the other!

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 00:06

    How did Flibster manage to reply to LPG on yesterday's thread?

    using Desktop Doohicky too....

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:06

    night gavin.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 00:07

    Good night all!

    night!

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:07

    Next thing you'll be telling me Which Tyler lead the Pedant's Revolt. :p

    i wasn't asking to correct your grammar. i was asking cause i thought you'd found a way to say the phase aloud.

  • guille230603/05/2009 at 00:08

    Good night all!

    good night

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:08

    It's an acronym. But usually one uses acronyms to shorten and simplify, not to put 25 unreadable letters one behind the other!

    You've obviously never read the uk.media.radio.archers newsgroup then. :)

    Some classic 2DTV featuring Bill Gates and the paperclip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-hiV0Bj49w

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:08

    It's an acronym. But usually one uses acronyms to shorten and simplify, not to put 25 unreadable letters one behind the other!

    there comes a point in ever persons life when a smiley is more than good enough.

    ;)

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:09

    i wasn't asking to correct your grammar. i was asking cause i thought you'd found a way to say the phase aloud.

    Ah. Actually it's not designed to be read out. Just like LOL isn't, which some of my younger colleagues seem unable to understand.

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:09

    Is the correct term for things like PMSLUMGWFU an abbreviation?

    that was what i was thinking.

    No. An abbreviation is where you take a word and shorten it. You can have a few abbreviations in a row (think kt 1 pr1) but they are still abbreviations.

    An acroynym is where you reduce a phrase to a series of letters or numbers (or symbols, although that's maths again :-) ) the most clearly defined being the TLA, but much much longer ones are possible and still both correct and pertinent.

    (as, for example, the aforementioned acroynyms or those more often seen here such as KERS)

    Although the beauty in it is in find an acroynym that is itself pronounable as a word, preferably one that either shares something in meaning with the word it becomes, or has a meaning that flies in the face of that of the word.

  • guille230603/05/2009 at 00:10

    You've obviously never read the uk.media.radio.archers newsgroup then.

    If that's the usual acronym standard there, I wouldn't even be able to read it :-)

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:11

    Although the beauty in it is in find an acroynym that is itself pronounable as a word.

    i was taught it's only an acronym if it is pronounceable. not that it makes any difference in the grand scheme of things.

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:12

    Although the beauty in it is in find an acroynym that is itself pronounable as a word, preferably one that either shares something in meaning with the word it becomes, or has a meaning that flies in the face of that of the word.

    Which reminds me of the "Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society" from the Polymorph episode of Red Dwarf.

  • guille230603/05/2009 at 00:12

    Although the beauty in it is in find an acroynym that is itself pronounable as a word, preferably one that either shares something in meaning with the word it becomes, or has a meaning that flies in the face of that of the word.

    Space Program's people are very good at that...

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:13

    Ah. Actually it's not designed to be read out. Just like LOL isn't, which some of my younger colleagues seem unable to understand.

    That's what he says... amazing what just a couple of years in age can mean in pronounciation terms.....

    I do say lol, rofl and similar wordlike acronyms out loud... although maybe than has more to do with a) length of tenure online (in which andy is actually a *little* shorter than I am, but that's because I started with the whole MUD on prestel thing...) and b) having more friends online than in RL due to the whole RPG/LRPG thing....

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:14

    i was taught it's only an acronym if it is pronounceable. not that it makes any difference in the grand scheme of things.

    Its always an acronym... but sometimes it is a synomym as well :-)

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:14

    Space Program's people are very good at that...

    Why call a screwdriver a screwdriver when you can call it an astronaut-powered metal fastener removal/reinsertion device?

  • Pat W03/05/2009 at 00:14

    Wiki page done, bit long though: http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Pat+W

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:15

    Wiki page done, bit long though: http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Pat+W

    ace. i shall find your first comment now.

  • Pat W03/05/2009 at 00:17

    ace. i shall find your first comment now.

    Ta. You did a few weeks ago but I can't remember when that was.

  • guille230603/05/2009 at 00:18

    Why call a screwdriver a screwdriver when you can call it an astronaut-powered metal fastener removal/reinsertion device?

    :D :D :D

    Well, they'll surely find a way to turn S.C.R.E.W. into an acronym

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:18

    You'll be wanting an acrostic next :-)

    Lou!!! there's a question for you (of the hugely horrid sort!!)

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:18

    Ta. You did a few weeks ago but I can't remember when that was.

    no worries, easy to do:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/02/10/episode-93-kers-for-5-year-olds/#comment-189972

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:20

    I do say lol, rofl and similar wordlike acronyms out loud... although maybe than has more to do with a) length of tenure online (in which andy is actually a *little* shorter than I am, but that's because I started with the whole MUD on prestel thing...) and b) having more friends online than in RL due to the whole RPG/LRPG thing....

    Good example of saying accronyms out loud. I love real life twitter

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzetybw-aBM

  • Pat W03/05/2009 at 00:20

    Ta. You did a few weeks ago but I can't remember when that was.

    no worries, easy to do:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/02/10/episode-93-kers-for-5-year-olds/#comment-189972

    Thank you sir.

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:21

    Why call a screwdriver a screwdriver when you can call it an astronaut-powered metal fastener removal/reinsertion device?

    I thought it was called the thing that floated away in that white bag.

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:23

    I thought it was called the thing that floated away in that white bag.

    :)

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:24

    Good example of saying accronyms out loud. I love real life twitter

    there's another good one we found today by the same people, called:

    "we didn't start the flame war"

    however it contains multiple rude words, so i shall not link here. worth a google though.

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:25

    Other acronyms I like

    UORL

    TSSOV

    TOT

    there are others, but it is now late....

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:25

    "we didn't start the flame war"

    T'is very funny though isn't it :-)

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:26

    "we didn't start the flame war"

    That is ace, I'm sure I mentioned it the other day when I saw it.

    The web site is collegehumor dot com :)

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:27

    T'is very funny though isn't it :-)

    surprisingly accurate!

  • lou03/05/2009 at 00:27

    ok i think i've got 2 evilish questions... can i ask both of them?

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:28

    That is ace, I'm sure I mentioned it the other day when I saw it.

    apologies, i thought you mentioned a different collegehumor vid?

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:28

    ok i think i've got 2 evilish questions... can i ask both of them?

    please!

  • lou03/05/2009 at 00:29

    please!

    yay! :D

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:29

    ok i think i've got 2 evilish questions... can i ask both of them?

    Long as they're not elvish questions....

    although.....

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:29

    ok i think i've got 2 evilish questions... can i ask both of them?

    I have created a monster

    You are in charge. You decide what to ask.

    Are you sure you want to host. it's not too late to bail out.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 00:30

    Long as they're not elvish questions....

    Had to triple read that to see elvish rather than Elvis questions :(

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:31

    Had to triple read that to see elvish rather than Elvis questions :(

    I hate to see where we would end up with 6 degrees of separation if two took us from evil F1 to elevs to Elvis.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 00:32

    I have created a monster

    :D

  • littlepurplegoth03/05/2009 at 00:33

    I hate to see where we would end up with 6 degrees of separation if two took us from evil F1 to elevs to Elvis.

    There would have to be a scandinavian driver in there somewhere....

  • guille230603/05/2009 at 00:36

    OK, I have to go and make my dinner or I'll die in an hour...

    Good night all

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:37

    OK, I have to go and make my dinner or I'll die in an hour...

    Good night all

    Good night

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:38

    Has anyone tried the Philips shavers game?

    First attempt was 11.92 seconds slower than Nico

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:40

    see ya.

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:40

    Has anyone tried the Philips shavers game?

    the quiz?

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:42

    the quiz?

    You do three questions then the odd driving game thing

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:42

    the quiz?

    It's not a quiz.

    Must go to bed, night all - see you at 7 for the live shows.

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:43

    You do three questions then the odd driving game thing

    ahh. i saw a quiz, moved on. i try now.

  • Andy Taylor03/05/2009 at 00:44

    ahh. i saw a quiz, moved on. i try now.

    Oops, forgot the questions. You can't get them wrong though, just click the answers until it tells you you're right.

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:46

    Oops, forgot the questions. You can't get them wrong though, just click the answers until it tells you you're right.

    I got two easy ones and a guess and got them all right.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 00:47

    You do three questions then the odd driving game thing

    link?

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:50

    link?

    http://www.attwilliams.philips.com/

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:50

    link?

    http://www.attwilliams.com/news/view/929 Link at bottom of page

  • Alianora La Canta03/05/2009 at 00:52

    I've not been online for two days. The worrying thing is that it's taken me the best part of three hours to catch up what's happened here since...

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:53

    I've not been online for two days. The worrying thing is that it's taken me the best part of three hours to catch up what's happened here since...

    You have done well to do it in that time

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:53

    I've not been online for two days. The worrying thing is that it's taken me the best part of three hours to catch up what's happened here since...

    sorry :(

    well done for trying though. i threw the towel in ages ago.

  • me03/05/2009 at 00:56

    First attempt was 11.92 seconds slower than Nico

    ok, that game is too hard.

  • Pat W03/05/2009 at 00:56

    I've not been online for two days. The worrying thing is that it's taken me the best part of three hours to catch up what's happened here since...

    Is that all? It takes me nearly that long after work each day.

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 00:56

    I managed to get 9.2 sconds off Nico's time and haven't got near it since.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 00:57

    Drop.io'd a audio file of possibly the best sounding F1 engine of all time

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 01:01

    Drop.io'd a audio file of possibly the best sounding F1 engine of all time

    I can't get it to work. It just says no preview available

  • lou03/05/2009 at 01:16

    I managed to get 9.2 sconds off Nico's time and haven't got near it since.

    that's hard with a touchpad....

  • me03/05/2009 at 01:17

    I can't get it to work. It just says no preview available

    it's a flac file. there's no hope in hell of that working on drop.io.

    could you convert to aiff, wav or mp3 flibster?

  • me03/05/2009 at 01:17

    that's hard with a touchpad....

    i dread to think how difficult that must be.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 01:18

    i dread to think how difficult that must be.

    i've given up now. lol.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 01:20

    i dread to think how difficult that must be.

    touchpad + anything = :(:(:(

  • me03/05/2009 at 01:21

    touchpad + anything = :(:(:(

    agreed. surely you can't photoshop with a touchpad, lou?

  • lou03/05/2009 at 01:23

    agreed. surely you can't photoshop with a touchpad, lou?

    photoshop with a touchpad is alright ;) but i do have a mouse. it's just downstairs on my desk in the study. i'm upstairs on my bed with the laptop :P going downstairs at this time to get a mouse would be suicidal cause mum might catch me :P

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 01:25

    photoshop with a touchpad is alright ;) but i do have a mouse. it's just downstairs on my desk in the study. i'm upstairs on my bed with the laptop :P going downstairs at this time to get a mouse would be suicidal cause mum might catch me :P

    She will be asleep. Unless she is on here with another name

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 01:25

    agreed. surely you can't photoshop with a touchpad, lou?

    I obviously can't speak for lou but personally with my laptop I lasted about a week with photoshop and a touchpad, I consider myself a patient person but phew...

  • lou03/05/2009 at 01:26

    She will be asleep. Unless she is on here with another name

    lol yes she is asleep, but to go downstairs i need to go past my parents room, and we have very creaky floorboards, plus i have no flat surfice to put the mouse on once it's upstairs. :)

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 01:29

    lol yes she is asleep, but to go downstairs i need to go past my parents room, and we have very creaky floorboards, plus i have no flat surfice to put the mouse on once it's upstairs. :)

    I found the game very awkward with a mouse. After about three runs I just started getting worse and worse. I will give it another go tomorrow. I guess it would be necessary to beat Nico's time to get anywhere in the comp

  • lou03/05/2009 at 01:43

    ok it's really late now and time for me to get some sleep. speak to you all tomorrow! night!! x

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 01:44

    ok it's really late now and time for me to get some sleep. speak to you all tomorrow! night!! x

    same here, damn time flying by unexpectedly...

    night lou and all :)

  • Sean Golding03/05/2009 at 03:00

    G'day all!

  • Jeremy03/05/2009 at 03:06

    Hi Sean. V8s about to start at Winton

  • Sean Golding03/05/2009 at 03:39

    Hi Sean. V8s about to start at Winton

    Yeak, I ain't really into V8's.

  • Sean Golding03/05/2009 at 03:40

    *Yeah

  • Amy03/05/2009 at 06:24

    at the supermarket, buying panel snacks

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 08:17

    Hi Sean. V8s about to start at Winton

    Yeak, I ain't really into V8's.

    Good Morning, good call! :D

  • RG03/05/2009 at 08:28

    Hey everyone. Whoever's clevver idea it was to wake me up at 8am is an evil, evil person

  • Sean Golding03/05/2009 at 08:30

    I know I said I wasn't into V8's, but I just saw on the news that the top team (Team Vodafone) is under investigation. Turns out that all Vodafone teams are cheaters after all. ;)

  • Jeremy03/05/2009 at 08:37

    But this was the first round with the new tyre rules!

    Besides, WRC wasn't on until 2 in the afternoon, and I had to watch some motor racing :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 08:43

    But this was the first round with the new tyre rules!

    Besides, WRC wasn't on until 2 in the afternoon, and I had to watch some motor racing.

    New Tyre rules? Control tyres or something else?

  • Fiox03/05/2009 at 08:49

    I know I said I wasn’t into V8’s, but I just saw on the news that the top team (Team Vodafone) is under investigation. Turns out that all Vodafone teams are cheaters after all. ;)

    That includes Ferrari then when they won from 2000 - 2004 + a few years after that.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 08:54

    I know I said I wasn't into V8's, but I just saw on the news that the top team (Team Vodafone) is under investigation. Turns out that all Vodafone teams are cheaters after all. ;)

    Hmm what for Mr Golding?

  • Jeremy03/05/2009 at 08:57

    Similar to F1, they now have a softer tyre that's up to 2 seconds a lap faster but doesn't last long. It really helped spice up the racing. Variety FTW!

  • Sean Golding03/05/2009 at 09:08

    Hmm what for Mr Golding?

    Some front air splitter I think. I'm not sure, I don't know much about it. Just heard it on the news. Probably like the diffuser incident, not like the McLaren incidents.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 09:08

    morning everyone :)

  • Sean Golding03/05/2009 at 09:21

    morning everyone :)

    Evening. ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 09:22

    Hmm what for Mr Golding?

    Some front air splitter I think. I'm not sure, I don't know much about it. Just heard it on the news. Probably like the diffuser incident, not like the McLaren incidents.

    Typical Taxi Racers - nothing original, let's just steal ideas from other series!

    BTCC FTW!

  • toxicfusion03/05/2009 at 10:00

    I feel slightly stalkeish, I have been going through people's profiles on the Wiki :D

  • Dank03/05/2009 at 10:09

    Caffeine addicts, if you have a Wilkinson store nearby, they're doing Red Bull multipacks for the bargaintastic 75p - for four cans.

    Stocked up now for the rest of the year. Woo! :-D

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 10:15

    Some front air splitter I think. I'm not sure, I don't know much about it. Just heard it on the news. Probably like the diffuser incident, not like the McLaren incidents.

    Not really. It's just about a mounting system for front splitters, which they have been using for ages. Storm in teacup.

  • Alex03/05/2009 at 10:23

    Hey check out my new blog... im new at this so please be kind :D

    http://girlsviewoff1.blogspot.com/

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 10:28

    Hey check out my new blog... im new at this so please be kind :D

    http://girlsviewoff1.blogspot.com/

    It's a start Alex. Look forward to reading what you have to say. What are you going to start with?

  • Alex03/05/2009 at 10:32

    It’s a start Alex. Look forward to reading what you have to say. What are you going to start with?

    Not sure yet probs start with build up to the next race. All the political action haskinda blown over already....

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 10:33

    Not sure yet probs start with build up to the next race. All the political action haskinda blown over already....

    Cool. It's good to read everyone's point of few.

  • F1Wolf03/05/2009 at 10:35

    just in case you want to know, this doohickey works also behind the great china firewall :-)

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 10:47

    Hey check out my new blog... im new at this so please be kind :D

    http://girlsviewoff1.blogspot.com/

    Excellent - have added to my RSS reader. Looking forward to your posts :)

  • Alex03/05/2009 at 10:49

    Excellent - have added to my RSS reader. Looking forward to your posts

    Thank you! :)

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 11:04

    Hey check out my new blog... im new at this so please be kind :D

    http://girlsviewoff1.blogspot.com/

    Looking forward to seeing what you have to say :)

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 11:06

    Afternoon all. What time's A1GP?

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 11:07

    Don't know why but I just tuned in to BBC1 expecting Jake... :(

  • Jeremy03/05/2009 at 11:08

    Afternoon all. What time's A1GP?

    http://a1gp.alkamelsystems.com/LiveTiming.html

  • RG03/05/2009 at 11:09

    Afternoon all. What time's A1GP?

    Starts at 2 on Sky 1

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 11:09

    Starts at 2 on Sky 1

    Ok, thanks!

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 11:26

    Afternoon, peeps. What's the good word? :)

  • RG03/05/2009 at 11:27

    Afternoon, peeps. What's the good word? :)

    Shhhh, everyone's asleep

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 11:29

    Shhhh, everyone's asleep

    I'll come back later then...

  • Amy03/05/2009 at 11:30

    Shhhh, everyone's asleep

    I wish I was asleep. So tired...

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 11:36

    Not asleep yet, watching a bad movie

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 11:38

    Carroll's almost there!

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75030

  • Jeremy03/05/2009 at 11:39

    Not asleep yet, watching a bad movie

    Borat right? :-)

  • Jeremy03/05/2009 at 11:39

    Carroll's almost there!

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75030

    What's with the article cut off at the bottom?

  • Amy03/05/2009 at 11:40

    Borat right? :-)

    I'm watching the logies, I have noooo idea who most of these people are

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 11:40

    Carroll's almost there!

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75030

    *shuts eyes and covers ears*

    Haven't seen the sprint race yet....

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 11:41

    Borat right? :-)

    Na. Alien raiders

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 11:42

    I'm watching the logies, I have noooo idea who most of these people are

    That's why I don't watch it

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 11:45

    Just spotted that Christine dug this on Facebook:

    http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=928

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 11:48

    Just spotted that Christine dug this on Facebook:

    http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=928

    Now that is VERY interesting

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 11:49

    Now that is VERY interesting

    Seeing as the budget cap comes into effect next season, this means that all teams will count as cost-regulated. Well, that is unless Ferrari decide to play ball, and when have they ever done that?

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 11:51

    Seeing as the budget cap comes into effect next season, this means that all teams will count as cost-regulated. Well, that is unless Ferrari decide to play ball, and when have they ever done that?

    So four-wheel-drive then?

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 11:53

    So four-wheel-drive then?

    Well according to the written rule:

    "Article 9.1 Transmission types :No transmission system may permit more than two wheels to be driven.This Article will not apply to Cost-Regulated Teams"

    So in essence, yes 4WD is allowed!

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 11:55

    So in essence, yes 4WD is allowed!

    That one thing is huge. In touring cars no one could touch the 4wds

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 11:58

    That one thing is huge. In touring cars no one could touch the 4wds

    The FIA may have just shot themselves in the foot with that rule.

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:00

    The FIA may have just shot themselves in the foot with that rule.

    Very true. Honestly I can't see them allowing it, the performance advantage is too big

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:01

    Very true. Honestly I can't see them allowing it, the performance advantage is too big

    Well if you're going to drive KERS through the front wheels as well as the rear wheels, you would effectively be giving the car 4WD when you use it.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:07

    Hey guys! What have I missed? :)

    1. Anyone watching MotoGP?

    2. Any Hatton fans out there? :D

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 12:08

    1. Anyone watching MotoGP?

    2. Any Hatton fans out there? :D

    1. I'm trying but MotoGP doesn't captivate me that much...

    2. Hehehehehe.Only 2 rounds as well!

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:08

    No motogp spoilers!

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:09

    1. Anyone watching MotoGP?

    Yeah. 250s = awesome

    2. Any Hatton fans out there? :D

    Yes...

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:09

    1. Lorenzo oddly seems off the pace...

    2. So you watched? We're really proud of our man Pacquiao - just unbelievable. :O

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:10

    1. Lorenzo oddly seems off the pace... 2. So you watched? We're really proud of our man Pacquiao - just unbelievable. :O

    Rossi just set a new circuit record as well!

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:10

    No motogp spoilers!

    Gotcha. :) let's talk about hatton instead? we just heard it on the radio - we were on the road! will watch a replay once motogp is done. pacman, though... daaaang.

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 12:11

    A1GP live feed's up. It's showing a support race atm.

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:11

    Gotcha. :) let's talk about hatton instead? we just heard it on the radio - we were on the road! will watch a replay once motogp is done. pacman, though... daaaang.

    Heard it on the radio as well. I didn't intend to, but someone went to the toilet and it seemed the ideal excuse. Pacquiao simply destroyed him

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:12

    Ah don't worry you can talk motogp too. It's not on here for hours yet

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:13

    Heard it on the radio as well. I didn't intend to, but someone went to the toilet and it seemed the ideal excuse. Pacquiao simply destroyed him

    The moment I heard it was Pacquiao-Hatton, I quickly thought Hatton's lack of defense would mean Pacquiao would eat him alive. But to hear it as it happened was just... wow. Really amazing.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:14

    Right, just watched the Bahrain Formula1.com video.

    1. Nice song!

    2. In the video, who's the girl beside Richard Branson?

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:14

    A1GP live feed's up. It's showing a support race atm.

    Thanks Chris. Nice old style cars

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:15

    The moment I heard it was Pacquiao-Hatton, I quickly thought Hatton's lack of defense would mean Pacquiao would eat him alive. But to hear it as it happened was just... wow. Really amazing.

    I'll be honest, I thought Hatton would have kept him off longer, still get beat, but definatly not that early.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 12:15

    A1GP live feed's up. It's showing a support race atm.

    oh no... what to watch.. motogp or A1gp :s...

    hey btw :)

  • Pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:16

    Hatton? Pacqiiano?

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:16

    oh no... what to watch.. motogp or A1gp :s...

    hey btw :)

    both?

    Thats what I'm doing. ;) And hi.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 12:17

    both?

    both? i can't watch both hile also doing textiles.. hmm i'll watch A1gp and hope motogp will be on iplayer later.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:18

    I'll be honest, I thought Hatton would have kept him off longer, still get beat, but definatly not that early.

    So did I... I mean, that was lopsided.

    There's a story I heard that our local wet market was accepting bets on Pacquiao-Hatton. The moment they saw Pacquiao and Hatton at the weigh-in (and specifically how much more chiseled Pacquiao was than Hatton), they closed the betting right away. Apparently, it was obvious to some even then that it wasn't even going to be close...

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 12:18

    oh no... what to watch.. motogp or A1gp :s...

    hey btw :)

    I'm more into cars than bikes, so A1GP for me. Never watched a race before, so should be fun!

    Also, hey!

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:18

    both? i can't watch both hile also doing textiles.. hmm i'll watch A1gp and hope motogp will be on iplayer later.

    A1GP will start after MotoGP.

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 12:19

    A1GP will start after MotoGP.

    Yeah, they're replaying this mornings sprint race on the live feed first I think.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 12:19

    Bah I can't watch Moto GP. I can't explain why, it just doesn't get me interested. :(

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:20

    Bah I can't watch Moto GP. I can't explain why, it just doesn't get me interested.

    Meh, racing's racing. I'll happily watch both. :)

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:21

    Anyone know what these old single seaters are? Look like maybe old F3 machines?

  • lou03/05/2009 at 12:23

    i wish i'd reminded myself about a1gp at brands a few weeks ago, mum said we could go and everything :( humph.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:24

    Also, why doesn't F1

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:24

    Also, why doesn’t F1 have a graphic like MotoGP, showing the gaps changing at each sector in real time?

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:24

    Anyone know what these old single seaters are? Look like maybe old F3 machines?

    The event schedule says its the FIA Lurani Trophy. Shall investigate

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:26

    2nd place nicked the win on the line! :D

  • pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:26

    Cool little cars

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:27

    For those intrested, Formula 3 cars with different classes

    FJ/1-F - pre 1961 front engined with FIAT or Lancia engines

    FJ/1-F - pre 1961 front engined with Ford , BMC and other engines

    FJ/1-R - pre 1961 rear engined

    FJ/2 - post 1960 front and rear engined-drum brakes

    FJ/2 - post 1960 front and rear engined-disc brakes

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 12:28

    Anyone know what these old single seaters are? Look like maybe old F3 machines?

    The two that they keep showing that are battling are Lotuii

    There's many more Lotii in the field as well. ;)

    Look like Historic Formula Junior's

    Oooh. Lotus just won. :D

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:28

    FJ/1-F - pre 1961 front engined with FIAT or Lancia engines FJ/1-F - pre 1961 front engined with Ford , BMC and other engines FJ/1-R - pre 1961 rear engined FJ/2 - post 1960 front and rear engined-drum brakes FJ/2 - post 1960 front and rear engined-disc brakes

    Cool

  • pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:28

    I thought I spotted a front engined car there

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:28

    Oooh. Lotus just won.

    First and second in fact.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:29

    I thought I spotted a front engined car there

    Yeah there was one. I spotted it earlier in the race. More a Caterham/kit car than one of those little single seaters.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 12:30

    Looked to be around the Lotus 27 model.

    So early to mid 60's

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:30

    Another thing about my dad's instructor position. Not only would he have to go to Bedford, he'd also have to travel all the way to Snetterton, Oulton Park and Brands. Ahh, what a shame... :D

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:31

    Oooh, wonder what's next.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 12:32

    Another thing about my dad's instructor position. Not only would he have to go to Bedford, he'd also have to travel all the way to Snetterton, Oulton Park and Brands. Ahh, what a shame... :D

    They're all owned by Palmer - makes sence.

    Snetterton is my favourite of that bunch - I am biased though. ;)

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:32

    Oooh, wonder what's next.

    Opening ceremony followed by the feature race

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:32

    They're all owned by Palmer - makes sence. Snetterton is my favourite of that bunch - I am biased though.

    Snetterton is epic tbh. Not a huge track, but epic nonetheless :D

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:37

    Where is everyone today, anyways?

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:38

    Where is everyone today, anyways?

    (apart from who's already here)

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:38

    (apart from who's already here)

    Beats me, usually like this on a weekend afternoon (aside from when f1 is on of course)

  • pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:39

    Where is everyone today, anyways?

    Brands Hatch?

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:39

    Which reminds me, there is a show on tonight?

  • lou03/05/2009 at 12:39

    Where is everyone today, anyways?

    i'm somewhere underneath a heap of cloth and thread doing my textiles... i take it other people are all outside enjoying the lovely weather.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 12:39

    Which reminds me, there is a show on tonight?

    yep i think so. i'm co hosting the panel with jackie...

  • me03/05/2009 at 12:40

    Which reminds me, there is a show on tonight?

    7pm debrief, 9pm panel (ish). christine has a cold :(

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:40

    Which reminds me, there is a show on tonight?

    Yup - Debrief and Panel.

  • Sean Golding03/05/2009 at 12:40

    Where is everyone today, anyways?

    I'm sort of here. When I'm not doing anything else.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:41

    7pm debrief, 9pm panel (ish). christine has a cold

    Aww :( Hope she feels better soon. She might have caught it from you. Just sayin', though.

  • RG03/05/2009 at 12:43

    7pm debrief, 9pm panel (ish). christine has a cold :(

    Aww. It must be that 'going outside' thats been the troublemaker. Hope she gets better soon

  • lou03/05/2009 at 12:43

    7pm debrief, 9pm panel (ish). christine has a cold :(

    ah no :( i blame that trip to the beach ;) you guys should know going outside can be dangerous like that :P

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 12:44

    Where is everyone today, anyways?

    I'm having an 'nothing interesting to say or comment about' day :(

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:44

    The live feed for A1GP is showing the cameraman messing around with the focus and zoom. :D

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:45

    The countdown to the intro has started.

  • pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:45

    and now the countdown

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:48

    There goes the parade bus :D

  • me03/05/2009 at 12:48

    nice blog alex. don't tell ollie, but the pink reminded me of his october theme ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 12:49

    LMFAO! Rossi's gone to a portaloo on the slowing down lap! :D

  • pauli (oz)03/05/2009 at 12:49

    good on-line coverage. I wish F1 did this

  • Jeremy03/05/2009 at 12:53

    7pm debrief, 9pm panel (ish). christine has a cold :(

    Get well soon! SideCodral time...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 12:54

    christine has a cold :(

    So no live performances of Felipe Baby then?

  • me03/05/2009 at 12:54

    2. In the video, who’s the girl beside Richard Branson?

    that's the third time you've mentioned that girl in a week journeyer. love at first sight?

    i assume she's a paid floosie, someone to follow him around and look attractive. same idea mallya has.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 12:56

    that's the third time you've mentioned that girl in a week journeyer. love at first sight?

    you can say that. hahahahahaha! ;)

    i assume she's a paid floosie, someone to follow him around and look attractive. same thing idea mallya has.

    mallya has one??

    oh well... looks like i'll have to use an online feed for a1gp. shame, i was hoping they'd show it here...

  • Alex Andronov03/05/2009 at 12:59

    It's been a funny sort of day...

    Hello all! Sorry to hear about Christine... How about a hot honey and lemmon drink?

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 12:59

    So no live performances of Felipe Baby then?

    I don't think that was ever on the cards.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:00

    It's been a funny sort of day...

    Explain? :P

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 13:01

    Wow I really do have nothing else to do today. An hour spent photoshopping a face onto a £10 note is ridiculous.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:01

    Hello all! Sorry to hear about Christine... How about a hot honey and lemmon drink?

    Hey Alex btw. Breaking out the Lemsip, provided they have any, would be a good idea too :P

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:01

    Wow I really do have nothing else to do today. An hour spent photoshopping a face onto a £10 note is ridiculous.

    :D drop.io?

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:02

    I like these grid graphics :)

  • me03/05/2009 at 13:02

    mallya has one??

    mallya has two, who follow him around, and i think sir rich has two as well.

    it's the done thing for men who've let themselves go.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 13:03

    :D drop.io?

    Have uploaded it here, someone suggested it for a joke and of course I decided to give it ago. Lead singer of Muse if people are wondering, because I'm diverse and unpredictable like that ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:04

    Have uploaded it here, someone suggested it for a joke and of course I decided to give it ago. Lead singer of Muse if people are wondering, because I'm diverse and unpredictable like that

    Excellent :D

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:05

    That USA car's sponsored by Jim Beam. Just noticed it on the sidepod.

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 13:06

    Hey Alex btw. Breaking out the Lemsip, provided they have any, would be a good idea too :P

    Good suggestions from all. I do believe that the man used up all the cold remedies we have.

    It's only fair, because naturally he had the black death, and I just have the sniffles.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:07

    Good suggestions from all. I do believe that the man used up all the cold remedies we have.

    Like I suggested to him when he was will, orange juice and echinacea will help greatly. Both are brilliant at giving your immune system a boost :)

  • me03/05/2009 at 13:07

    I just have the sniffles.

    you are such a drama queen.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:08

    Like I suggested to him when he was will, orange juice and echinacea will help greatly. Both are brilliant at giving your immune system a boost

    Not mixed together though. Although apparently you can get fizzing echinacea tablets in orange flavour so... :P

  • Alex Andronov03/05/2009 at 13:09

    Explain? :P

    It doesn't really know if it's going to be sunny or not. I've not really got much in the way of a plan. And I'm not really sure what to do next... Apparently we are off to the charity shop... dropping off not picking up.

  • Fiox03/05/2009 at 13:09

    Damn enforced pitstop, if you don't need tires then why enforce the swap?

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 13:11

    Damn enforced pitstop, if you don't need tires then why enforce the swap?

    It does seem a little daft considering how short this race is.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:12

    It does seem a little daft considering how short this race is.

    Star Sports starts showing A1GP... in the middle of the race. Nice...

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:12

    It doesn't really know if it's going to be sunny or not. I've not really got much in the way of a plan. And I'm not really sure what to do next... Apparently we are off to the charity shop... dropping off not picking up.

    It was overcast earlier this morning but now it's brightened up and it's lovely and sunny. :)

  • Alex Andronov03/05/2009 at 13:12

    you are such a drama queen.

    It's an established fact that men get flu much worse than women do. That's why we have our own class of flu (Man flu) because ours is so bad...

    I believe it goes regular flu that women get, swine flu that swine get, avian flu that the aviation industry gets, and then finally man flu that men get.

    It's so bad that they even have to make men larger tissues!

    This, I believe is fact ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:13

    Star Sports starts showing A1GP… in the middle of the race. Nice…

    It's only a replay of the sprint race though :)

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:14

    It's only a replay of the sprint race though :)

    Thank goodness for that. :)

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 13:15

    New Zealand down to 12th. Gavin's not going to be happy...

  • me03/05/2009 at 13:15

    le bol's new f1 team now have a logo. i believe that pretty much guarantees their entry into the 2010 championship.

    have we seen lola's f1 logo yet? case closed.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:16

    New Zealand down to 12th. Gavin's not going to be happy...

    Back up to 11th passing Liuzzi?

  • Alex Andronov03/05/2009 at 13:16

    This answers the question about which kind of flu is worse man or women's...

    http://glumbert.com/media/mancold

    Of course I am only joking :)

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 13:17

    have we seen lola's f1 logo yet? case closed.

    I'm still expecting lola's logo to be a 5 minute mess about on Paint

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:18

    I'm still expecting lola's logo to be a 5 minute mess about on Paint

    Or the logo they already have?

  • lou03/05/2009 at 13:18

    have we seen lola's f1 logo yet? case closed.

    have they got an email? i design one for them :P

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:19

    Damn - Lebanon was looking good again. :(

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:19

    Back up to 11th passing Liuzzi?

    And then they go out with Lebanon... Oh well.

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 13:22

    And then they go out with Lebanon... Oh well.

    Good driving to prevent a crash there.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:23

    Good driving to prevent a crash there.

    Sometimes I wonder what Lebanon is still doing in A1GP...

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 13:24

    Sometimes I wonder what Lebanon is still doing in A1GP...

    To make up the numbers?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:24

    Sometimes I wonder what Lebanon is still doing in A1GP...

    They have had some good drives - sadly they have also had some really bad ones.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:25

    Woo for India!

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:25

    To make up the numbers?

    Indeed.

    So Ireland wins... where does that leave them in the standings?

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:26

    They have had some good drives - sadly they have also had some really bad ones.

    More bad than good, I think.

    Good on India - Narain really loves Brands Hatch - knows it like the back of his hand...

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:26

    So Ireland wins... where does that leave them in the standings?

    8 points ahead... not bad.

  • RG03/05/2009 at 13:26

    So Ireland wins... where does that leave them in the standings?

    In a very good posistion

  • 2008 SPC-land Fantasy Racers Champions Jordan F103/05/2009 at 13:27

    Well, I got back home from my 20 km hike hike in the woods after a detour to the local hospital.

    Turns out that former American VP Dick Cheney was out hunting in the same woods, so saying "I'll be right back" with an Austrian accent puts you in his crosshairs for being a "Traitor to the GOP for marrying a Kennedy..."

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:27

    8 points ahead... not bad.

    before or after dropping their worst result

    Palmer hasn't changed in the years since I had a very nice expensive dinner with him and other members and sponsors of the Tyrrell team in Portugal.

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:29

    before or after dropping their worst result

    they won't drop until after the feature - they drop the worst weekend in general...

    Palmer hasn't changed in the years since I had a very nice expensive dinner with him and other members and sponsors of the Tyrrell team in Portugal.

    Very nice - nice contacts you have there! :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:34

    New Zealand down to 12th. Gavin's not going to be happy...

    Back up to 11th passing Liuzzi?

    I'm still three rounds behind... Is it Earl Bamber today because Chris Van der Drift told me he was racing the Renault World Series at Spa this weekend...

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:34

    I'm still three rounds behind... Is it Earl Bamber today because Chris Van der Drift told me he was racing the Renault World Series at Spa this weekend...

    Yup, it's Bamber.

    Ireland only need 6th to clinch the title.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:37

    Christine: 03/05/2009 at 10:47

    Hey check out my new blog… im new at this so please be kind http://girlsviewoff1.blogspot.com/

    Excellent - have added to my RSS reader. Looking forward to your posts

    Christine,

    What's the RSS feed for your smarterthanyouraverage blog?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:39

    1. I’m trying but MotoGP doesn’t captivate me that much…

    Boo. MotoGP provides some of the best racing on two wheels or four. The riders are real characters too!

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 13:39

    What's the RSS feed for your smarterthanyouraverage blog?

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/feed/

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:40

    Lukeh: 03/05/2009 at 12:19

    Bah I can’t watch Moto GP. I can’t explain why, it just doesn’t get me interested.

    Minus points for you! :(

  • me03/05/2009 at 13:41

    Minus points for you! :(

    but a ping on the panel, no doubt.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 13:41

    but a ping on the panel, no doubt.

    Yesssssss!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:43

    Flibster: 03/05/2009 at 13:24

    Sometimes I wonder what Lebanon is still doing in A1GP…

    They have had some good drives - sadly they have also had some really bad ones.

    They were awesome when Graham Rahal drove for them!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:43

    Christine: 03/05/2009 at 14:39:41

    What's the RSS feed for your smarterthanyouraverage blog?

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/feed/

    Ta :)

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:44

    They were awesome when Graham Rahal drove for them!

    True - scored some points too. But Graham is more American than Lebanese...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:44

    me: 03/05/2009 at 14:41:02

    Minus points for you!

    but a ping on the panel, no doubt.

    Are you not a fan of the bikes either? :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:44

    Journeyer: 03/05/2009 at 13:44

    They were awesome when Graham Rahal drove for them!

    True - scored some points too. But Graham is more American than Lebanese…

    He was 'grandfathered in' - literally

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 13:45

    Hehehe, watch this :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8Ln9hkXPlc&feature=related

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:45

    Hello lovely ladies!

  • me03/05/2009 at 13:46

    Are you not a fan of the bikes either? :(

    nope. but more importantly, i don't think the girl with the pinger is either.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:46

    Oooh - wanting a A1GP race in Monaco...

    That would have to be a F1 support race if it was to go ahead.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:47

    Are you not a fan of the bikes either? :(

    nope. but more importantly, i don't think the girl with the pinger is either.

    Aww what a shame. It's good action, you know...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:47

    Oooh - wanting a A1GP race in Monaco...

    That would have to be a F1 support race if it was to go ahead.

    At this moment in time I'll just be happy for another A1GP race...

  • RG03/05/2009 at 13:47

    nope. but more importantly, i don't think the girl with the pinger is either.

    You unfortunate people...

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:48

    That would have to be a F1 support race if it was to go ahead.

    If they're gonna do that, they're gonna have to host the season-ender...

    Watching the Pacquiao-Hatton replay... the British chants are amazing.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:49

    Now interviewing Adam Carroll's other half...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:52

    At this moment in time I'll just be happy for another A1GP race...

    Brands is always well attended - because it's a damn good day of racing and isn't expensive.

    I would love to see mroe races in different countries - but at the moment they are going to struggle to survive sadly. :(

    If they're gonna do that, they're gonna have to host the season-ender...

    Good point. What a place to hold it though. On the down side - racing at Monaco sucks. :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:54
  • me03/05/2009 at 13:54

    Aww what a shame. It's good action, you know...

    not interested. in bikes or biking generally. no appeal whatsoever.

    i would like schumi to take it up professionally though. i heard it can be quite dangerous... ;)

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 13:55

    i would like schumi to take it up professionally though. i heard it can be quite dangerous... ;)

    oh, let's not get into that... ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:56

    Aww what a shame. It's good action, you know...

    not interested. in bikes or biking generally. no appeal whatsoever.

    i would like schumi to take it up professionally though. i heard it can be quite dangerous... ;)

    So even if you watched a race like Laguna Seca last year, still nothing?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:58

    http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/three-days-to-save-donington-gp/

    ARRRRRRGGGGGH!

    Looks officially doomed to me now :(

    I just hope that whatever happens, we have a track that can be used for racing on...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:58

    i would like schumi to take it up professionally though. i heard it can be quite dangerous... ;)

    It is the way he does it. ;)

  • me03/05/2009 at 13:58

    So even if you watched a race like Laguna Seca last year, still nothing?

    i wouldn't bother watching it though? on a one to ten scale of interest, biking is -100.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:58

    Looks officially doomed to me now :(

    Good.

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 13:58

    i wouldn't bother watching it though? on a one to ten scale of interest, biking is -100.

    Agreed!

  • me03/05/2009 at 13:58

    Looks officially doomed to me now :(

    always was. from the morning it was announced.

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 13:59

    It is the way he does it. ;)

    Hehehe.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 13:59

    Emmo doing the announcement?

    Very British person...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 13:59

    Looks officially doomed to me now :(

    Good.

    Boo!

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:00

    I like that - camera whizzing up the grid from the back after everyone has left.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:01

    50 lap race?

    Thats going to be tough.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:02

    Boo!

    To be honest - I don't want it at Silverstone either.

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 14:02

    To be honest - I don't want it at Silverstone either.

    I would just like Silverstone to be better.

  • RG03/05/2009 at 14:03

    To be honest - I don't want it at Silverstone either.

    Where do you want it?

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:03

    Here we go then, for what could sadly be the last time.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 14:03

    Looks officially doomed to me now :(

    where is steven? he needs to tell me we will still have a british gp next year...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:03

    Here we go.

    Ireland very far forward in his grid box.

    Germany has stalled...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:03

    Where do you want it?

    Nowhere in the UK is suitable unless someone builds a new track.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 14:03

    I would just like Silverstone to be better.

    Couple of loop the loops, jumps, bit of driving through flames...

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:04

    Germany has stalled...

    Correction - South Africa.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:04

    To be honest - I don't want it at Silverstone either.

    Where do you want it?

    Brands Hatch probably?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:04

    Germany has stalled...

    South Africa even...

    Start aborted - Another formation lap

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:04

    Nowhere in the UK is suitable unless someone builds a new track.

    Knowing all the environmentalists in this country, I doubt that would happen.

  • me03/05/2009 at 14:04

    Couple of loop the loops, jumps, bit of driving through flames...

    :D

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:04

    Nowhere in the UK is suitable unless someone builds a new track.

    I also feel the same way about Monaco though. Great venue - horiffic track and facilities

  • lou03/05/2009 at 14:05

    Nowhere in the UK is suitable unless someone builds a new track.

    what's wrong with Brands?

  • RG03/05/2009 at 14:06

    Knowing all the environmentalists in this country, I doubt that would happen.

    True. Build a track within a radius of a village/town/city and you will have complains, no doubt, and its bloomin annoying cos it has got to have nearby access

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:06

    what's wrong with Brands?

    Bit too short a lap?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:06

    what's wrong with Brands?

    Same thing thats wrong with Donnington and Silverstone.

    Facilities for the teams and spectators are dismal.

    Also access for Brands and Donnington are terrible, plus both need to be about 20 seconds longer for F1.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:06

    GOOOO!

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:06

    Boo!

    India out! :(

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 14:07

    No 2nd podium for Narain - he goes out at Turn 1...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:07

    Here comes the safety car.

    The ugliest of all safety cars.

    NOOO! Not China as well... :(

  • lou03/05/2009 at 14:09

    Facilities for the teams and spectators are dismal.

    Also access for Brands and Donnington are terrible, plus both need to be about 20 seconds longer for F1.

    but it's the racing that matters really surely? Plus Brands is great for watching the track action.

  • me03/05/2009 at 14:10

    but it's the racing that matters really surely? Plus Brands is great for watching the track action.

    you've clearly never sat in a queue following a grand prix!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:10

    BTW, Love the Brendan Hartley pic on F1 Minute :)

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:10

    but it's the racing that matters really surely? Plus Brands is great for watching the track action.

    Partially - if it takes you 2 hours to get in and another 3 hours to get out whats the point of going?

    Silverstone actually got to be quite good at this bit with the new road system.

    Donnington and their no car policy was just plain stupid.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:11

    Donnington and their no car policy was just plain stupid.

    In Europe that would be considered normal to bus in and bus out...

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:12

    In Europe that would be considered normal to bus in and bus out...

    Britain's far from normal, though.

  • me03/05/2009 at 14:13

    In Europe that would be considered normal to bus in and bus out...

    to which circuits?

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:13

    SC in this lap.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 14:14

    you've clearly never sat in a queue following a grand prix!

    i've sat in a few queues following races at Brands, a good few hours we were in the queues, but it didn't really matter to me back then cause i'd had a good day out... maybe it would be different for me now though. but yeah you're right i've not been to a gp so can't really judge what it would be like.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:15

    In Europe that would be considered normal to bus in and bus out...

    to which circuits?

    To events, not necessarily circuits.

  • me03/05/2009 at 14:15

    i've sat in a few queues following races at Brands, a good few hours we were in the queues

    to me that's unacceptable and would ruin a day out.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 14:16

    Partially - if it takes you 2 hours to get in and another 3 hours to get out whats the point of going?

    honestly atm i'd sit in a queue for hours if it meant i could see a live grand prix. that's probably because i would do anything to see one though :P

  • 2008 SPC-land Fantasy Racers Champions Jordan F103/05/2009 at 14:16

    #327 - RG said:

    To be honest - I don’t want it at Silverstone either.

    Where do you want it?

    Hmm, Bernie should have the British Grand Prix at the Hungaroring as I think he still ownes the circuit and could make every single peeny of the race. The national Hungarian GP would be held at the circuit....

    There is nothing in the rule books that says that the Race has to be held on circuit that is in the country that is hosting the race is there?

  • lou03/05/2009 at 14:16

    to me that's unacceptable and would ruin a day out.

    oh.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:16

    CUPCAKE ALERT!!!

    http://www.google.com/reader/view/#stream/feed/http://www.cnet.com/8300-13952_1-81.xml

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:17

    to me that's unacceptable and would ruin a day out.

    It's when you are in the queue on the way in - with the circuit radio on listening to the support races on that - and being able to hear the live engine noises outside. :(

    Going back to the safety car...

    I can't understand whats wrong with Ferrari road cars at the moment.

    Technically magnificent - but just dreadful to look at.

    Last attractive Ferrari roadcar was many years ago - they're just not stylish enough. Aston have hit it exactly right recently too.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 14:18

    Where do you want it?

    In my street. Road's a bit bumpy and my house is a terraced house so we can all come together as a pit complex, but it'd be better than Donington that's for sure.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:18

    Hooray for New Zealand! :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:18

    Going back to the safety car...

    I can't understand whats wrong with Ferrari road cars at the moment.

    Technically magnificent - but just dreadful to look at.

    Last attractive Ferrari roadcar was many years ago - they're just not stylish enough. Aston have hit it exactly right recently too.

    I'm not keen on the newer Ferraris either but today I saw a 360 and a 550 in the flesh and they still look magnificent!

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:20

    I'm not keen on the newer Ferraris either but today I saw a 360 and a 550 in the flesh and they still look magnificent!

    550 isn't bad - the bonnet intake makes it look a bit like a pig. But the 360 has a pair of nostrils that challenge Kenneth Williams'

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:22

    Netherlands hearly hit Germany in the pitlane. Germany on the way in and Netherlands on the way out.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:25

    Gavin Brown (RubberGoat): 03/05/2009 at 15:15:32

    In Europe that would be considered normal to bus in and bus out...

    to which circuits?

    To events, not necessarily circuits.

    Autosport International for example.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:26

    Interesting camera angle... Behind the steering wheel.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:28

    Where the plonky bollards did that come from?

    GBR fastest lap!

    What the hell has happened to him? Now overtaking?!

  • me03/05/2009 at 14:31

    Autosport International for example.

    we drove to autosport, parked and wandered into the venue. no buses used.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:32

    we drove to autosport, parked and wandered into the venue. no buses used.

    Me and my dad have always parked and then taken a bus to the venue.

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 14:33

    Me and my dad have always parked and then taken a bus to the venue.

    Parked at the NEC though?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:34

    Me and my dad have always parked and then taken a bus to the venue.

    Parking in the wrong place then. ;)

    Lat time I went all I had was a 5 minute hobble. Just parked with everyone else even though I was on crutches.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:34

    Me and my dad have always parked and then taken a bus to the venue.

    Parked at the NEC though?

    I'm sure I did that one year for the Caravan show...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:35

    Sounds like the Ferrari engines are eating exhausts at this race.

  • me03/05/2009 at 14:35

    Me and my dad have always parked and then taken a bus to the venue.

    it is an option. as there is an option to bus your way to silverstone.

    the important thing is you have the opportunity to drive too.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:35

    Parked at the NEC though?

    Yeah

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:36

    What happened to the feed?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:36

    What happened to the feed?

    Still there.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 14:36

    What happened to the feed?

    Never mind, it's back after a quick refresh.

  • me03/05/2009 at 14:37

    Parked at the NEC though?

    Yeah

    so you drove to the venue. then took the bus a couple of hundred yards?

    that's not what simon was proposing for donny. quite the opposite in fact.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:43

    Race for 3rd is looking goof.

    Switzerland, Portugal and Monaco. If Portugal finished ahead of Switzerland, they take 2nd in the championship.

    Germany out now.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:44

    Malaysia now in the gravel.

    Not in a good position either - will need to move the car quickly

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 14:46

    Very slow stop for iteland.

    Looks like they had an issue with something stuck on the the front wing

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 14:53

    Very slow stop for iteland.

    Looks like they had an issue with something stuck on the the front wing

    But Netherlands got baulked by GBR as they exited their pitbox... so Ireland took the lead back. Barring a disaster, they should get the title.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 14:55

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivjybzdXVmI&feature=channel_page

    He says "You won't get that on United Airlines" - I'd wager there'd be few others you'd get a rapping flight attendant on too!

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 15:01
  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:05
  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 15:09

    Telemetry shows Carroll already on his last lap!

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 15:10

    Last corner!

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:10

    WOOHOO!

    Well done Ireland!

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 15:10

    Last corner!

    Well done, Team Ireland! :)

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 15:10

    IRELAND WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS! :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:11

    Last corner!

    Well done, Team Ireland! :)

    Amazing. A couple of seasons ago they couldn't score to save their lives and now they've won it! WD Ireland!

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:11

    I think there may be some drunk Irish people at Brands later on... :D

    Scratch that - some more drunk Irish people. ;)

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 15:12

    Amazing. A couple of seasons ago they couldn't score to save their lives and now they've won it! WD Ireland!

    Agreed! Now let's hope they get a chance to defend their title next season.

  • me03/05/2009 at 15:13

    Agreed! Now let's hope they get a chance to defend their title next season.

    you think a1gp is finally over?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:14

    Agreed! Now let's hope they get a chance to defend their title next season.

    you think a1gp is finally over?

    Sadly yes. No money, no sponsors, little support - it's not a good outlook!

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 15:16

    you think a1gp is finally over?

    i hope not, but let's face it - it's not looking good for them, is it?

    texeira did say they were in advanced planning, though - let's see what they come up with.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:18

    you think a1gp is finally over?

    i hope not, but let's face it - it's not looking good for them, is it?

    texeira did say they were in advanced planning, though - let's see what they come up with.

    In 2009 the numbers just don't justify such a fantastic idea and great racing, unfortunately.

  • Fiox03/05/2009 at 15:22

    That's the end of A1GP right there. No way could they afford to correct the errors and keep running.

    GP2> A1GP

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:22

    What a lovely trophy that is.

    Unusual, but lovely.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:24

    That's the end of A1GP right there. No way could they afford to correct the errors and keep running.

    GP2> A1GP

    Perhaps they could secure a little credit for the administrators by selling A1GP Hankies for the fans to cry into...

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 15:25

    So four-wheel-drive then?

    Ain't gonna happen. It is utterly impractical

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 15:25

    Perhaps they could secure a little credit for the administrators by selling A1GP Hankies for the fans to cry into...

    Funny, yet sad, yet true...

  • me03/05/2009 at 15:26

    Ain't gonna happen. It is utterly impractical

    go on...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:26

    Ain't gonna happen. It is utterly impractical

    Heavy as well

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:27

    So four-wheel-drive then?

    Ain't gonna happen. It is utterly impractical

    Steven, when you have caught up with our timezone, can you recall who tried it? I seen to recall Lotus trying it in the late 60's but the Engineers decided that wings were better (and the drivers didn't like 4WD anyway)?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:28

    you think a1gp is finally over?

    i hope not, but let's face it - it's not looking good for them, is it?

    texeira did say they were in advanced planning, though - let's see what they come up with.

    In 2009 the numbers just don't justify such a fantastic idea and great racing, unfortunately.

    I'd love to see it continue - the amount of money they have to pay Ferrari must be astronomical though.

  • me03/05/2009 at 15:28

    That's the end of A1GP right there. No way could they afford to correct the errors and keep running.

    in fairness, they had plenty of time to sort out those errors when the economy was booming.

    they should be in a position of strength now :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:28

    Ain't gonna happen. It is utterly impractical

    go on...

    1. You lose power with the extra gearing/differential required

    2. It uses more fuel

    3. Extra weight

    4. Drivers didn't like it...

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 15:28

    in fairness, they had plenty of time to sort out those errors when the economy was booming.

    but the original owners lost interest. having to sell out to texeira cost them time...

  • me03/05/2009 at 15:29

    but the original owners lost interest. having to sell out to texeira cost them time...

    i understand the reasons. i still think that had a golden opportunity... and blew it.

  • me03/05/2009 at 15:30

    1. You lose power with the extra gearing/differential required

    2. It uses more fuel

    3. Extra weight

    4. Drivers didn't like it...

    any idea if any kers recovery from the front wheels can then be applied to the rear drive train?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:31

    Steven, when you have caught up with our timezone, can you recall who tried it? I seen to recall Lotus trying it in the late 60's but the Engineers decided that wings were better (and the drivers didn't like 4WD anyway)?

    1969 - Lotus 63

    Was described by Graham Hill as a deathtrap.

    9 races and no points.

    Developments from that car ended up in the 72 - which is the most successful F1 car of all time. 5 years of success and 5 championship wins.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:33

    in fairness, they had plenty of time to sort out those errors when the economy was booming.

    but the original owners lost interest. having to sell out to texeira cost them time...

    I think Sheikh Muhammed Haser Makhtoum Makhtoum Makhtoum Al-Makthoum Haser Makhtoum Makhtoum (correct me if I'm wrong there ;) ) had the plan to set up the thing and then sell it straight away. I don't think he lost interest at all...

  • Journeyer03/05/2009 at 15:33

    Right - early night for me, then. Tiring day today plus having to work Asia hours does that.

    Enjoy the live show. :)

  • RG03/05/2009 at 15:34

    Night Journeyer

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:34

    I don't think he lost interest at all...

    He also wanted to enter it and race and didn't think that he could while he owned it.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:34

    any idea if any kers recovery from the front wheels can then be applied to the rear drive train?

    Wouldn't you need to have some kind of generator at the front wheels somehow? Other than attaching it to the brakes, I don't know how you would do that...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:40

    Right... so what are we all up to then?

  • lou03/05/2009 at 15:41

    Right... so what are we all up to then?

    just applied for some top gear tickets... apart from that just textiles and revision.

  • RG03/05/2009 at 15:42

    just applied for some top gear tickets... apart from that just textiles and revision.

    But you already got some for QI. Not fair ;)

    Hope you get em then. And enjoy it if you do

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 15:42

    just applied for some top gear tickets... apart from that just textiles and revision.

    Awesome! (the top gear tickets that is) :D

  • RG03/05/2009 at 15:43

    Right... so what are we all up to then?

    Moi, rugby union on the tv and rugby league on the computer,

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 15:44

    Right... so what are we all up to then?

    I'm going to help cook curry in a bit after the chicken's finished defrosting in the microwave, then I might have a bash on the 360 ahead of the Debrief. :)

  • lou03/05/2009 at 15:44

    But you already got some for QI. Not fair ;)

    hehe you should be a member of the applause store if you want some tickets for bbc things :P

    Hope you get em then. And enjoy it if you do

    yep me too... although i can't imagine they will be as easy to get as the Qi ones..

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 15:44

    where is steven? he needs to tell me we will still have a british gp next year…

    We will have a GP at Silverstone next year. I said it the day Donington was announced an I have never wavered for a second on it. Gillett will write Bernie a nice fat cheque to get out of his contract assuming he has any money and the BRDC will be on a final warning.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 15:45

    Right... so what are we all up to then?

    Absolutely nothing. Bah.

  • Jon Waldock03/05/2009 at 15:45

    "I'll take a tenner now that the British Grand Prix will be here next year," Gillet told the Express.

    Quote of the day :D

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 15:46

    Brands Hatch probably?

    Brands won the contact ten years ago and ended up paying a forfeit fee because th couldn't make it happen. More chance of it being at Rockingham then Brands.

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 15:46

    yep me too... although i can't imagine they will be as easy to get as the Qi ones..

    They have a policy that the audience has to be 50-50 regarding gender. I take it you'd go with your dad?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:46

    where is steven? he needs to tell me we will still have a british gp next year…

    We will have a GP at Silverstone next year. I said it the day Donington was announced an I have never wavered for a second on it. Gillett will write Bernie a nice fat cheque to get out of his contract assuming he has any money and the BRDC will be on a final warning.

    In a sense what Bernie has done has worked - because Silverstone FINALLY are upgrading the facilities to host the MotoGP round.

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 15:47

    what’s wrong with Brands?

    It could never meet modern safety requirements and would never get planning permission to make the mods it needs.

  • Jon Waldock03/05/2009 at 15:48

    It could never meet modern safety requirements and would never get planning permission to make the mods it needs.

    For the GP circuit you'd need alot more run off, space that Brands just dosen't have, and frankly, it would ruin it a bit for club races at the like. The best bit about Brands is that your so close to the cars, but you'd loose that if run off areas were made silverstone sized and bigger

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 15:49

    what’s wrong with Brands?

    It could never meet modern safety requirements and would never get planning permission to make the mods it needs.

    And yet I'm confident that even without seeing the A1GP today that Brands Hatch is the most exciting racetrack in the UK...

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:51

    What just happened in the GT race?

    Medical car on track!

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 15:52

    Flibster: 03/05/2009 at 16:51:21

    What just happened in the GT race?

    Medical car on track!

    Have you got a video feed anywhere?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 15:54

    Have you got a video feed anywhere?

    Was the A1GP feed - but they have just rewound it all the way back to the interviews...

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 15:57

    go on...

    I replied on the pitlane fanatic thread but th bottom line is so long as all the engines are near identical it would be insane to build in all the mechanical losses from a 4 wheel drive system. You also have to consider the excess weight, how you are going to route a propshaft to the front axle and install front drive shafts. That would totally screw up the aero and add a stack of weight and mechanical loss. Ain't gonna happen.

    Runnig KERS on the front wheels might be possible but aerodynamically it would probably be a disaster too.

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:01

    Steven, when you have caught up with our timezone, can you recall who tried it? I seen to recall Lotus trying it in the late 60's but the Engineers decided that wings were better (and the drivers didn't like 4WD anyway)?

    Quite a few F1 teams tried it starting with the Ferguson system and through to Lotus and others. They had a lot of problems because at that time they did not have the technology to vary the amount of power to the front and rear wheels so handling was difficult to say the least. I know a lot of drivers got spooked because they were used to steering the rear wheels with the throttle so when they got into a corner and tried that with 4WD the whole car stepped sideways and at that time drivers were a bit keener to avoid accidents so something that felt unnatuarl like that was to be avoided.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:01

    I replied on the pitlane fanatic thread...

    I suggest you read his reply - it's very good:

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:04

    In a sense what Bernie has done has worked - because Silverstone FINALLY are upgrading the facilities to host the MotoGP round.

    Exactly right. Everyone at Silverstone on the say it was announced from Damon Hill down said they would carry on with their plans so that if Donington didn't work out they would be ready. No-one outside of Gillett and co thought this would work. Bernie knew exactlywhat he was doing.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:05

    Exactly right. Everyone at Silverstone on the say it was announced from Damon Hill down said they would carry on with their plans so that if Donington didn't work out they would be ready. No-one outside of Gillett and co thought this would work. Bernie knew exactlywhat he was doing.

    I just hope that after all this that we still have a Donington Circuit!

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 16:06

    Exactly right. Everyone at Silverstone on the say it was announced from Damon Hill down said they would carry on with their plans so that if Donington didn't work out they would be ready. No-one outside of Gillett and co thought this would work. Bernie knew exactlywhat he was doing.

    And I reckon by Bernie talking down Silverstone's chances, it spurs them on even more to make them and keep the GP.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 16:10

    I just hope that after all this that we still have a Donington Circuit!

    Haven't they already started digging it up to lay the new surface?

    Also demolished a grandstand or two...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:11

    I just hope that after all this that we still have a Donington Circuit!

    Haven't they already started digging it up to lay the new surface?

    Also demolished a grandstand or two...

    And the Dunlop Bridge...

    Thing is, I just can't see the Wheatcroft family letting it end this way...

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:14

    I suggest you read his reply - it's very good:

    There are quite a few replies on a couple of topics I have discussed over there in thepast couple of days. I need to find time to read a bit more of their content because it is of a very high standard.

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:16

    I just hope that after all this that we still have a Donington Circuit!

    It will revert to Tom Wheatcroft and carry on as normal. Wheatcroft is currently suing Gillet for $2.4 million in unpaid rent so may get the circuit back real soon before any real damage is done. Wheatcroft is a mate of Bernie's so they probably cooked the deal up together. Wheatcroft gets some work done on the track for free. Bernie gets a defaul fee. The BRDC gets a shot across its bows. Everyones a winner apart from Gillet who is a mug.

  • Bassano Clapper03/05/2009 at 16:17

    Is it just the panel tonight or will there be a debrief too?

    7-ish?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 16:18

    Continuing on from walking on custard...

    Mythbusters on Discovery +1 are swimming through syrup. :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:18

    It will revert to Tom Wheatcroft and carry on as normal. Wheatcroft is currently suing Gillet for $2.4 million in unpaid rent so may get the circuit back real soon before any real damage is done. Wheatcroft is a mate of Bernie's so they probably cooked the deal up together. Wheatcroft gets some work done on the track for free. Bernie gets a defaul fee. The BRDC gets a shot across its bows. Everyones a winner apart from Gillet who is a mug.

    I disagree with that because Wheatcroft fought tooth and nail to get the Grand Prix in 1993 and I am sure he would like nothing more than to see another one there - that would be his legacy.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:18

    Mythbusters on Discovery +1 are swimming through syrup. :D

    Brainiac did that

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 16:19

    I've got an awesome idea for an F1 parody song now! :D

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:20

    It is worth asking the question what if Wheatcroft had announced he was going to pull down the Dunlop bridge and a few other landmarks without the GP contract in place. The guy would have got pelters for destroying the history of the track. Instead he gets what he wanted in the first place potentially. Gillett gets all the grief and the bills for the modernisation. Wheatcroft gets his track in the condition he wanted it and Bernie can claim to have saved the British GP.

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:22

    I disagree with that because Wheatcroft fought tooth and nail to get the Grand Prix in 1993 and I am sure he would like nothing more than to see another one there - that would be his legacy.

    I read an interview with him in Motor Sport a couple of years ago and he was moaning about how much the GP cost him and how he didn't want another one. He put a lot of effort in to get the 93 race but I think he discovered that the downside was more than he anticipated.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:22

    It is worth asking the question what if Wheatcroft had announced he was going to pull down the Dunlop bridge and a few other landmarks without the GP contract in place. The guy would have got pelters for destroying the history of the track. Instead he gets what he wanted in the first place potentially. Gillett gets all the grief and the bills for the modernisation. Wheatcroft gets his track in the condition he wanted it and Bernie can claim to have saved the British GP.

    That's assuming the track will still be upgraded - didn't the contractors walk off the job because they weren't getting paid?

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:24

    Lou was looking for Lola contact info earlier. Try http://www.lolacars.com/

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:24

    I read an interview with him in Motor Sport a couple of years ago and he was moaning about how much the GP cost him and how he didn't want another one. He put a lot of effort in to get the 93 race but I think he discovered that the downside was more than he anticipated.

    Hmm... didn't know that!

    He has a right to feel bitter because only 30,000 people turned up. The weather was shocking - but what do you know? host a GP in April in the UK and it rains domesticated animals!

    Apparently he expected 100,000 to turn up - which sounds a lot, but I can believe it because in 1996 they still had a stack of mint unsold programmes.

    He would have lost a lot of money on that event, I am sure :(

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:25

    That's assuming the track will still be upgraded - didn't the contractors walk off the job because they weren't getting paid?

    Yes but they have started some of the work and all the plans have been drawn up and planning permission granted etc all with Gillet paying the bills. Now the building industry is in a mess Wheatcroft can get the job done for a fraction of the price.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:29

    Yes but they have started some of the work and all the plans have been drawn up and planning permission granted etc all with Gillet paying the bills. Now the building industry is in a mess Wheatcroft can get the job done for a fraction of the price.

    Indeed. How very Bernie-esque.

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 16:31

    I thought the Planning Permissions wasnt guaranteed yet?

    There is a council meeting soon about it.

  • Fiox03/05/2009 at 16:32

    It is worth asking the question what if Wheatcroft had announced he was going to pull down the Dunlop bridge and a few other landmarks without the GP contract in place. The guy would have got pelters for destroying the history of the track. Instead he gets what he wanted in the first place potentially. Gillett gets all the grief and the bills for the modernisation. Wheatcroft gets his track in the condition he wanted it and Bernie can claim to have saved the British GP.

    WHAT! no dunlop bridge! ... I'm extremely disappointed now, and more importantly that's the only landmark on the track other than the stands at the pit straight. It's like removing casino from Monte-Carlo.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:34

    I thought the Planning Permissions wasnt guaranteed yet?

    There is a council meeting soon about it.

    Don't know. All I can tell you is that he got permission to start the work, but the planning process is loong and drawn-out...

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 16:35

    I'm trying to compose a parody of the theme song to Fresh Prince of Bel Air all about Brawn GP :D

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 16:36

    I'm trying to compose a parody of the theme song to Fresh Prince of Bel Air all about Brawn GP :D

    now that will be brilliant!

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:37

    I would suggest anyone who is going to be on the sidepodpanel tonight reads the section called my biggest mistake in my wiki page.

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Steven+Roy

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 16:37

    now that will be brilliant!

    I've already got the opening verse, a chorus and the first part of the second verse. ;)

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:38

    WHAT! no dunlop bridge! ... I'm extremely disappointed now, and more importantly that's the only landmark on the track other than the stands at the pit straight. It's like removing casino from Monte-Carlo.

    The bridge will be re-built on the site just not over the track. Aparently FOM did not like the idea of a huge Dunlop advert when Bridgestone is their sole supplier.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 16:39

    I would suggest anyone who is going to be on the sidepodpanel tonight reads the section called my biggest mistake in my wiki page.

    XD hahaha.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 16:40

    I would suggest anyone who is going to be on the sidepodpanel tonight reads the section called my biggest mistake in my wiki page.

    just to make it clear... i have 2 evil questions for everyone. i say evil... they may be easy for you. i've no idea. :)

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 16:41

    just to make it clear... i have 2 evil questions for everyone. i say evil... they may be easy for you. i've no idea.

    So we've got 3 killer questions! oh lord.

    curry time. in a bit :D

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 16:41

    The bridge will be re-built on the site just not over the track. Aparently FOM did not like the idea of a huge Dunlop advert when Bridgestone is their sole supplier.

    Typical...

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 16:41

    just to make it clear... i have 2 evil questions for everyone. i say evil... they may be easy for you. i've no idea. :)

    Do we have any pre show preperation?

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:41

    XD hahaha.

    My monster turns up at just the right time. What have i done?

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:42

    Do we have any pre show preperation?

    Check http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Next+Week%27s+Panellists and read the last paragraph

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 16:43

    just to make it clear... i have 2 evil questions for everyone. i say evil... they may be easy for you. i've no idea. :)

    Oooooooh I like a challenge. :P

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 16:43

    Check http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Next+Week's+Panellists and read the last paragraph

    ok, cool.

  • lou03/05/2009 at 16:44

    Do we have any pre show preperation?

    erm.... not really... maybe have your imagination ready?

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 16:45

    There are quite a few replies on a couple of topics I have discussed over there in thepast couple of days. I need to find time to read a bit more of their content because it is of a very high standard.

    :D Maverick is a brilliant writer .. please don't suggest he gets his own blog, I'd be lost without him

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 16:45

    Do we have any pre show preperation?

    erm.... not really... maybe have your imagination ready?

    Make sure you've been to the loo? ;)

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 16:46

    I'm trying to compose a parody of the theme song to Fresh Prince of Bel Air all about Brawn GP :D

    Brilliant, are yu going to sing it?

  • Flibster03/05/2009 at 16:46

    Don't know. All I can tell you is that he got permission to start the work, but the planning process is loong and drawn-out...

    Planning permission was granted in January but it was dependant on Gillett signing a section 106 agreement. This is a guarantee that a transport management plan will be prepared before every major event at the track, and that construction traffic should not pass through nearby villages. However, despite construction beginning a few months ago, the agreement remains unsigned and the council is not happy to say the least.

    On May 5th, just over week from now, the council will review its planning decision and, according to the local press, officers will recommend that councillors refuse planning permission if the agreement stays unsigned by the end of the month.

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 16:48

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Steven+Roy

    Ooh err, haha

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 16:48

    just to make it clear... i have 2 evil questions for everyone. i say evil... they may be easy for you. i've no idea. :)

    Good cop bad cop?

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 16:49

    Make sure you've been to the loo? ;)

    wilco :D

  • lou03/05/2009 at 16:50

    Good cop bad cop?

    :)

    how many questions have you got to ask btw?

  • Steven Roy03/05/2009 at 16:51

    Planning permission was granted in January but it was dependant on Gillett signing a section 106 agreement. This is a guarantee that a transport management plan will be prepared before every major event at the track, and that construction traffic should not pass through nearby villages. However, despite construction beginning a few months ago, the agreement remains unsigned and the council is not happy to say the least.

    This is also the document that Wheatcroft is refusing to sign because he has not received rent. Gillett as the leaseholder has to sign it and Wheatcroft as the freeholder has to sign it. Of course if Gillet defaults it only requires Wheatcroft to sign both sections.

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 16:51

    I have 3 + the one killer but I could do more if necessary

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 16:51

    I'll send you a PM on twitter

  • lou03/05/2009 at 16:54

    I'll send you a PM on twitter

    okay :)

  • Chris03/05/2009 at 17:01

    Right. I'm off to get some food. See you for the debrief!

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 17:08

    Brilliant, are yu going to sing it?

    I can sing what I've got if you want. I might do one to the short version of the song and do the full one at a later date, maybe tomorrow.

    It would be cool if someone could find the theme song for me to sing along to, but it is kinda short notice.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 17:11

    It would be cool if someone could find the theme song for me to sing along to, but it is kinda short notice.

    I have a link to download the full theme song but I dunno if it';s allowed to go posting it here... :S

  • RG03/05/2009 at 17:11

    I have a link to download the full theme song but I dunno if it';s allowed to go posting it here... :S

    pm over the wiki?

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 17:12

    I'll upload it on drop.io for you Scott

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 17:13

    I'll upload it on drop.io for you Scott

    If it has lyrics, I'll have to take them out on Audacity.

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 17:13

    If it has lyrics, I'll have to take them out on Audacity.

    Ah, no idea about an instrumental :( I'll take a look though where it could be

  • me03/05/2009 at 17:25

    There are quite a few replies on a couple of topics I have discussed over there in thepast couple of days. I need to find time to read a bit more of their content because it is of a very high standard.

    agreed, really good posts these past couple of weeks.

  • Alex Andronov03/05/2009 at 17:27

    Evening everyone... Just a quick message to say that sadly I won't be able to join you tonight :(

    But I will watch the live rebroadcast in full! So remember to read out the best comments because it's hard to follow along again afterwards :)

  • Jackie03/05/2009 at 17:29

    Evening everyone... Just a quick message to say that sadly I won't be able to join you tonight :(

    That's a shame, still I hope you enjoy whatever you're up to

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 17:29

    Evening everyone... Just a quick message to say that sadly I won't be able to join you tonight

    Ahh that sucks :(

    A live show isn't a true live show without Giggles. :(

  • lou03/05/2009 at 17:30

    Evening everyone... Just a quick message to say that sadly I won't be able to join you tonight :(

    :( aww that's a shame. i hope you enjoy the show when you watch it though :)

  • Dom03/05/2009 at 17:32

    Okay Scott, it's your turn to choose the lap challenge this week. :)

  • RG03/05/2009 at 17:32

    Enjoy what you be a doing tonight Mr Giggles, might as well takes this opportunity to say i will most likely miss the panel.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 17:33

    Evening everyone... Just a quick message to say that sadly I won't be able to join you tonight :(

    But I will watch the live rebroadcast in full! So remember to read out the best comments because it's hard to follow along again afterwards :)

    The giggles rap guy won't be able to provide songs? :(

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 17:33

    Okay Scott, it's your turn to choose the lap challenge this week. :)

    *is hoping his Xbox returns by a week today*

    Must get back into the competition!

  • Scott Woodwiss03/05/2009 at 17:33

    Okay Scott, it's your turn to choose the lap challenge this week.

    Oooh I won, cool.

    Erm, OK...we haven't done Spa yet so I say we run there in the Audi R10. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)03/05/2009 at 17:34

    Okay Scott, it's your turn to choose the lap challenge this week. :)

    Nordschleife in something with evil nasty handling?

  • Dom03/05/2009 at 17:34

    Must get back into the competition!

    Don't worry - there wasn't much competition for this one!

  • Christine03/05/2009 at 17:35

    Your live post awaits:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/05/03/live-the-quietest-weekend-in-formula-1/

  • Lukeh03/05/2009 at 17:39

    *searches for F1 levels on little big planet*

    perhaps I should make a Sidepodcast level...

  • CharlotteF1Fan03/05/2009 at 17:48

    Seems like the field is crowded already with everyone running into each other - how many more teams are going to be allowed to join??? Also, what's up with the arrogance from the FIA to tell Ferrari to gth if they don't like the new money cap? I really don't want to see F1 getting NASCARized (is that a verb?), that would be a travesty and aweful business strategy just to make a quick buck.