So there it was, the Monaco Grand Prix in all it's finery. What did you make of it? We've got all the coverage here on Sidepodcast, but equally, if you're ready to let us know what you thought about the race, then why not drop us a voicemail? We're recording the show this evening so you still have plenty of time. 0121 28 87225 is the number you'll need, or if you're just a bit too shy (don't be) then [email protected] is the email for more wordy items.

Kamui on his way to fifth place in Monaco

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Kamui on his way to fifth place in Monaco

Everything has to be about Monaco, really. We've got the race highlights and an F1 Minute - which, if I say so myself, is quite a masterpiece in picking out the salient points of a race and squeezing into a ridiculous time limit. I do not recommend anyone try this. It was quite stressful.

There's more data than you can shake a stick at over on the F1 Data Junkie blog, and it's all fascinating stuff. From an analysis of the race specifically from Button's point of view, to fuel corrected lap times in Free Practice. There's plenty to peruse and plenty of pretty graphs to ogle.

This weekend, Williams finally picked up their first points, thanks to Rubens Barrichello crossing the line within the top ten. Pastor Maldonado was also looking to finish strongly, until Lewis Hamilton got involved. The less said about the better, I feel. Über-Rubens fan Lukeh wrote up his thoughts after the race, with some high scoring for his race analysis.

And of course, given that Monday dailies are the spiritual home of our very own RG, it would be remiss of me not to mention the excellent job that Kobayashi did in the race, finishing fifth. As the man says:

I don't think I've mentioned enough that Kobi finished 5th today. 5th! A low-end midfield team doesn't finish 5th.


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A fabulous end to a difficult weekend for the team.

447 responses

  • Maverick29/05/2011 at 23:11

    Hello Monday... and a holiday no less

  • Amy29/05/2011 at 23:12

    Hello Monday... and a holiday no less

    Hello Monday, sadly already in the office.

    On that note, work to do :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/05/2011 at 23:13

    Morning all,

    I do not get Racecar Engineering's Twitter comments about Lewis. Apparently Lewis was justified (what nonsense....)

  • Bridget29/05/2011 at 23:15

    Morning!

    I do not get Racecar Engineering's Twitter comments about Lewis. Apparently Lewis was justified (what nonsense....)

    Agreed. This afternoon reminded me why I dislike him. However, I'm too tired to expound on his many failings, so I'll leave you all in peace. G'night!

  • Lukeh29/05/2011 at 23:16

    Hello new daily! Fabulous stuff from Christine :)

    One quick thought about Lewis that has just come to mind - what about countries, audiences and audience fanbases of Lewis that have never heard of Ali G? One ponders what they will have thought of that comment.

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/05/2011 at 23:17

    One quick thought about Lewis that has just come to mind - what about countries, audiences and audience fanbases of Lewis that have never heard of Ali G? One ponders what they will have thought of that comment.

    To be honest, I didn't think anything of his "black" comment. What he said before that was more offensive.

  • Lukeh29/05/2011 at 23:19

    To be honest, I didn't think anything of his "black" comment. What he said before that was more offensive.

    To be honest, I didn't think anything of his "black" comment. What he said before that was more offensive.

    Good point, such a lack of respect for his fellow competitors especially calling them stupid.

    I was just intrigued with the initial reaction on twitter where people weren't quite sure what to make of it. Imagine if you were a big Lewis fan and looked up to him only to not get 'the joke'.

  • Andy Taylor29/05/2011 at 23:19

    Hello all, jut finished watching race. Vettel is a lucky lucky so and so.

  • Maverick29/05/2011 at 23:25

    I do not get Racecar Engineering's Twitter comments about Lewis. Apparently Lewis was justified (what nonsense....)

    I'm not sure he was justified in certain elements of the comments

    But certainly he should give his own opinion on the incidents, kind of irrelevant if he's wrong, that's still his view. I don't think he'd give the same answer, either, if he'd had chance to watch them again in a calmer mood.

  • Mr C29/05/2011 at 23:25

    One quick thought about Lewis that has just come to mind - what about countries, audiences and audience fanbases of Lewis that have never heard of Ali G? One ponders what they will have thought of that comment.

    An Italian journalist has just asked me who Ali G is. His faced looked quite blank when I mentioned 'booyakasha'

    https://twitter.com/#!/NobleF1/status/74882460093124608

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/05/2011 at 23:27

    Good point, such a lack of respect for his fellow competitors especially calling them stupid.

    exactly - that made me swear at the telly

  • Bert29/05/2011 at 23:28

    exactly - that made me swear at the telly

    Hopefully not the way Luca di-Montezemolo swears at his....

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/05/2011 at 23:30

    woh!!! if only pippa was eligible for points

    @pressdog: @pippamann had no drink bottle the whole race, was cramping from dehydration at the end, had to go to the infield care center at the end.

    Hopefully not the way Luca di-Montezemolo swears at his....

    probably worse actually

  • Barrie29/05/2011 at 23:35

    @pressdog: @pippamann had no drink bottle the whole race, was cramping from dehydration at the end, had to go to the infield care center at the end.

    wow! just,.........wow!

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/05/2011 at 23:40

    Anyway folks,

    I'll do my Monaco and Indy 500 posts tomorrow - right now, I need bed.

    Good night

  • Sidepodcast Update29/05/2011 at 23:45
  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 01:11

    #sidepodspace

    The hatches between the shuttle and the ISS have been closed.

    The shuttle lands on Wednesday at 2:32am Eastern / 7:32am UK

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 02:55

    WOW. Coca-Cola 600 finish is CRAZY!

    Leader into the last turn of the last lap doesn't win. AGAIN.

  • Greatblue5630/05/2011 at 03:04

    Loved the race! Officially tired of Vettel now. Kobayashi is an animal and I can't wait to see him in Montreal in 2 weeks! Jensen and Alonso were looking so promising before the red flag! Most exciting Monaco I can remember since they had to take their hands off the wheel to shift. What did Lewis just say...Oh my. Wow! I'm packing for Canada now.

  • Sidepodcast Update30/05/2011 at 05:45
  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 06:01

    Catching up on non-racing sports this morning.

    FIFA is a total mess right now. Makes the whole FIA/breakaway drama we had in 2009 seem like a walk in the park...

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 06:18

    Morning.

    To be honest, I didn't think anything of his "black" comment. What he said before that was more offensive.

    Good point, such a lack of respect for his fellow competitors especially calling them stupid.

    I was very offended by his actions on and off the track. He was arrogant and stupid and I think he's hit a low point.

    @pressdog: @pippamann had no drink bottle the whole race, was cramping from dehydration at the end, had to go to the infield care center at the end.

    Pippa Mann is awesome. Someone sponsor her so she can keep her drive!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 06:19

    Pippa Mann is awesome. Someone sponsor her so she can keep her drive!

    Agreed. I think she'll get a lot more attention after Danica goes NASCAR.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 06:22

    I was very offended by his actions on and off the track. He was arrogant and stupid and I think he's hit a low point.

    You and I both. Was talking to my F1-watching officemates this morning, and we all agree that he's hit a very bad low. Not sure if this has anything to do with Lewis changing managers from Anthony to Simon Fuller. Regardless, Simon has a lot of work on his hands now - if he cares, that is.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 06:45

    FIFA is a total mess right now. Makes the whole FIA/breakaway drama we had in 2009 seem like a walk in the park...

    Just reading that. I'm really not a fan of the way football has been run, but that looks like they cleared out some dead wood in order to keep Sepp in charge!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 06:53

    Just reading that. I'm really not a fan of the way football has been run, but that looks like they cleared out some dead wood in order to keep Sepp in charge!

    But isn't Sepp dead wood himself? This is an organization that could really do with a total sweep and an open election for all posts.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 06:55

    But isn't Sepp dead wood himself? This is an organization that could really do with a total sweep and an open election for all posts.

    But he's the boss. And he's managed to suspend two of his biggest rivals. If indeed they are not just shills for him.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:00

    But isn't Sepp dead wood himself? This is an organization that could really do with a total sweep and an open election for all posts.

    But he's the boss. And he's managed to suspend two of his biggest rivals. If indeed they are not just shills for him.

    This would make for a very good book if ever the whole story comes out, which it probably won't...

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 07:19

    Just watched the lewis interview again.

    I think that was a very leading question from lee. not really sure how he was supposed to answer it without being contraversial.

    seeing how worked up he was i dont think it was very fair

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:24

    Just watched the lewis interview again.

    I think that was a very leading question from lee. not really sure how he was supposed to answer it without being contraversial.

    seeing how worked up he was i dont think it was very fair

    I'd agree to a certain extent that it was a leading question, but he could've just said that they think he's too aggressive or that he just takes more risks than other drivers do.

    This reminds me of the work Joe's been doing for the FIA Institute. I remember him saying in an Aside that he would occasionally throw in tricky questions (which I think would be similar in nature to this) to see if drivers take the bait and fall into the trap. He specifically wanted to help such drivers avoid this kind of trouble. At this point in his career, Lewis should be much better at handling these types of questions.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 07:30

    This reminds me of the work Joe's been doing for the FIA Institute. I remember him saying in an Aside that he would occasionally throw in tricky questions (which I think would be similar in nature to this) to see if drivers take the bait and fall into the trap. He specifically wanted to help such drivers avoid this kind of trouble. At this point in his career, Lewis should be much better at handling these types of questions.

    He was very worked up, at that point your not thinking about media training, just the red mist.

    She went for it. It will be interesting to see how the other drivers deal with her after this. I dont think it will be as friendly.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:32

    I'd agree to a certain extent that it was a leading question, but he could've just said that they think he's too aggressive or that he just takes more risks than other drivers do.

    He was very worked up, at that point your not thinking about media training, just the red mist.

    She went for it. It will be interesting to see how the other drivers deal with her after this. I dont think it will be as friendly.

    We always complain Lee doesn't seem to ask the tough questions though. I can't watch the clip again now (unless you have a YouTube link) but I think she didn't do anything wrong.

    Hamilton may have had the red mist but he also stopped to think about what he said...

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:35

    He was very worked up, at that point your not thinking about media training, just the red mist.

    As Schumacher always says, "I think he has yet to watch the tape of what just happened." I'm perfectly fine with his expressing frustration at the stewards, I take no offense there. It's a perfectly logical question. But as Martin tweeted, "He's played a card I never thought he would use."

    She went for it. It will be interesting to see how the other drivers deal with her after this. I dont think it will be as friendly.

    It'll be fine. Work is work, and she is still working for the top English-speaking broadcast in the sport.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:37

    We always complain Lee doesn't seem to ask the tough questions though. I can't watch the clip again now (unless you have a YouTube link) but I think she didn't do anything wrong.

    Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD8T8_JR4Mw

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:38
  • Nick30/05/2011 at 07:40

    It'll be fine. Work is work, and she is still working for the top English-speaking broadcast in the sport.

    When she first joined the bbc i remember her blogging about how she had a bad relationship with him.

    I would be suprised if he just skips her in the pen and goes to jake & co

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:40

    Morning folks

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:41

    Have to say, I don't see Lee's leading question - Lewis left the door wide open for her.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:42

    When she first joined the bbc i remember her blogging about how she had a bad relationship with him.

    Must be something between MacKenzie and McLaren. I remember his dad's bet in 2004. :D

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:45

    I would be suprised if he just skips her in the pen and goes to jake & co

    She said later on that he normally ignores her in the pen anyway.

    Have to say, I don't see Lee's leading question - Lewis left the door wide open for her.

    Agreed. He doesn't seem rash or angry at all to me. I think he meant to say what he did.

    Hamilton always comes across a bit too much like Ricky Bobby - he's a driver not a thinker!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:46

    I would be suprised if he just skips her in the pen and goes to jake & co

    EJ would ask him the tough questions anyway.

    Hamilton always comes across a bit too much like Ricky Bobby - he's a driver not a thinker!

    "If you're not first, you're last!"

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 07:46

    Agreed. He doesn't seem rash or angry at all to me. I think he meant to say what he did.

    I don't see why what he said was such a big deal tbh....

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:46

    "If you're not first, you're last!"

    :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:47

    I don't see why what he said was such a big deal tbh....

    I'd a big problem with what he said. He causes accidents and jumps chicanes and then blames everyone else. Not on, just not on.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 07:49

    I'd a big problem with what he said. He causes accidents and jumps chicanes and then blames everyone else. Not on, just not on.

    Its racing not ballet dancing!

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:50

    Its racing not ballet dancing!

    Yes, but he needs to understand that if he screws up, it's his fault and not everyone else's

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:50

    I don't see why what he said was such a big deal tbh....

    I have a biog problem with what he said (the whole interview, TBH), his attitude on and off the track and towards the stewards and other drivers.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 07:51

    The problem is now, drivers being passed can just turn in on the car going past them and get the place back when they get a penalty?

    I expect someone to have a go at that in canada

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:52

    The problem is now, drivers being passed can just turn in on the car going past them and get the place back when they get a penalty?

    this is the issue - hamilton was nowhere near passing either massa or maldonado. the moves hamilton was trying would barely be credible for midfield gp2 talent

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 07:52

    The problem is now, drivers being passed can just turn in on the car going past them and get the place back when they get a penalty?

    Exactly. If you're side by side with a car, you'd have thought you have a responsibility not to turn in on them.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:52

    The problem is now, drivers being passed can just turn in on the car going past them and get the place back when they get a penalty?

    Thing is in Monaco that all the penalised incidents adversely affected the guy turning in.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:52

    Exactly. If you're side by side with a car, you'd have thought you have a responsibility not to turn in on them.

    shame hamilton wasn't side-by-side

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:53

    I have a big problem with what he said (the whole interview, TBH), his attitude on and off the track and towards the stewards and other drivers.

    Complaining about other drivers is nothing new. It won't make him popular at the GPDA meetings, though.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:53

    The problem is now, drivers being passed can just turn in on the car going past them and get the place back when they get a penalty?

    Exactly. If you're side by side with a car, you'd have thought you have a responsibility not to turn in on them.

    Except Hamilton wasn't side by side either time and neither was di Resta.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 07:53

    shame hamilton wasn't side-by-side

    I've only seen it once but I think the Maldonado one in particular, didn't have to end in an accident.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:53

    Exactly. If you're side by side with a car, you'd have thought you have a responsibility not to turn in on them.

    shame hamilton wasn't side-by-side

    Bingo.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 07:54

    Except Hamilton wasn't side by side either time and neither was di Resta.

    Oh christ haha. Someone sprayed a can of red mist down the pitlane clearly.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:54

    Complaining about other drivers is nothing new. It won't make him popular at the GPDA meetings, though.

    I'm really annoyed with him.

    See, I find Vettel irritating because he wins a lot and because of the finger, but he's a nice guy in interviews and that moment when he sprayed the champers over the policeman made us laugh so much...

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:54

    I've only seen it once but I think the Maldonado one in particular, didn't have to end in an accident.

    lewis was over the kerbs, partially off the track and pummelled into the side of the williams -easily avoidbale

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:55

    Oh christ haha. Someone sprayed a can of red mist down the pitlane clearly.

    I think it's a Monaco thing though. Too tight to pass and all that.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:55

    Random thought: I'm happy that in all of the criticism directed at Hamilton, they've told him to look at Michael Schumacher's race as a good example. Know when to attack, know when to hold back. It's a good sign that Michael's racing skills have improved considerably as of late (much better than anything I can remember from him in ages).

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:55

    Random thought: I'm happy that in all of the criticism directed at Hamilton, they've told him to look at Michael Schumacher's race as a good example. Know when to attack, know when to hold back. It's a good sign that Michael's racing skills have improved considerably as of late (much better than anything I can remember from him in ages).

    Schumi had one move which was a bit too forceful but he did have a good race. I was actually cheering for him at one point because some of his moves were great to watch.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:56

    lewis was over the kerbs, partially off the track and pummelled into the side of the williams -easily avoidbale

    lewis' defense to that was he did that just to avoid a collision, but they collided anyway.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:56

    Random thought: I'm happy that in all of the criticism directed at Hamilton, they've told him to look at Michael Schumacher's race as a good example. Know when to attack, know when to hold back. It's a good sign that Michael's racing skills have improved considerably as of late (much better than anything I can remember from him in ages).

    Aye - thought Michael was doing alright until his retirement. Wrecked tyres and a long stop to change his nose cost him big on lap 13

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 07:56

    Random thought: I'm happy that in all of the criticism directed at Hamilton, they've told him to look at Michael Schumacher's race as a good example. Know when to attack, know when to hold back. It's a good sign that Michael's racing skills have improved considerably as of late (much better than anything I can remember from him in ages).

    Hahaha Shumi pulled a near identical chance move (at the same place?) and it was only Rosberg being awake and alert that stopped them having a smash.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:56

    Schumi had one move which was a bit too forceful but he did have a good race. I was actually cheering for him at one point because some of his moves were great to watch.

    Heck, Mr C was cheering for him - twice! That was a bizarre moment for me.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:57

    Hahaha Shumi pulled a near identical chance move (at the same place?) and it was only Rosberg being awake and alert that stopped them having a smash.

    Mind you, I think he's the ONLY driver that pulled off any of his passes there.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:57

    lewis' defense to that was he did that just to avoid a collision, but they collided anyway.

    I don't buy that at all. Lewis went in far too deep, off the track and hit Pastor, taking him clean out of the race.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 07:57

    Mind you, I think he's the ONLY driver that pulled off any of his passes there.

    Twice !!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:58

    Mind you, I think he's the ONLY driver that pulled off any of his passes there.

    Twice !!

    Again, bingo.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 07:59

    I don't buy that at all. Lewis went in far too deep, off the track and hit Pastor, taking him clean out of the race.

    Me neither - he should have backed out of it and tried to run down the pitlane instead.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 07:59

    Mind you, I think he's the ONLY driver that pulled off any of his passes there.

    Because the car he was passing, saw him and took a different line. If you think it's your responsibility to do that, then I think it changes how you look on overtaking.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 07:59

    Aye - thought Michael was doing alright until his retirement. Wrecked tyres and a long stop to change his nose cost him big on lap 13

    But with all that carnage at the end, he still could've scored a few points. By the time he retired, he had an airbox fire AND potentially damaged front suspension. Luck just wasn't with him today.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 08:00

    But with all that carnage at the end, he still could've scored a few points. By the time he retired, he had an airbox fire AND potentially damaged front suspension. Luck just wasn't with him today.

    Was it him that was slow slow at the start?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:00

    Because the car he was passing, saw him and took a different line. If you think it's your responsibility to do that, then I think it changes how you look on overtaking.

    Hmmm. Should probably take a look at Schumacher's pass on Hamilton and Hamilton's pass on Massa and try to compare them. When did they commit to the pass and when did the guy in front turn in?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:01

    Was it him that was slow slow at the start?

    Yup, that was him. My heart sank when I saw it. He was all I was looking at on Lap 1, really.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 08:01

    Because the car he was passing, saw him and took a different line. If you think it's your responsibility to do that, then I think it changes how you look on overtaking.

    I think Massa was trying to avoid Webber at the hairpin.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 08:02

    Hmmm. Should probably take a look at Schumacher's pass on Hamilton and Hamilton's pass on Massa and try to compare them. When did they commit to the pass and when did the guy in front turn in?

    For example, when Shumi took Rosberg. That was clearly only not an accident because Rosberg couldn't face explaining to the team what had happened. He got out the way and left enough room at the corner.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:03

    For example, when Shumi took Rosberg. That was clearly only not an accident because Rosberg couldn't face explaining to the team what had happened. He got out the way and left enough room at the corner.

    Was that pass shown on TV? I didn't see it.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 08:03

    Was that pass shown on TV? I didn't see it.

    Can't think where else I'd have seen it tbh....

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 08:03

    Was that pass shown on TV? I didn't see it.

    yep - can't remember what lap though

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 08:04

    For example, when Shumi took Rosberg. That was clearly only not an accident because Rosberg couldn't face explaining to the team what had happened. He got out the way and left enough room at the corner.

    Why should the driver in front leap out of the way if he has the racing line and he's ahead though?

    You then get into the situation like in Indycar where they have racing lanes and passing lanes...

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 08:05

    Why should the driver in front leap out of the way if he has the racing line and he's ahead though?

    You shouldn't exactly. So he shouldn't have gone through. As I said, it only worked because it was his team mate and he was paying attention to his mirrors.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 08:07

    You shouldn't exactly. So he shouldn't have gone through. As I said, it only worked because it was his team mate and he was paying attention to his mirrors.

    Yep agreed. Rosberg knew better I suppose. But seeing as people are complaining that the DRS makes it difficult to defend an overtaking move, I think the system as we saw it yesterday with a driver defending his position being the innocent party may be the more popular one.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:11

    Hmmm. Should probably take a look at Schumacher's pass on Hamilton and Hamilton's pass on Massa and try to compare them. When did they commit to the pass and when did the guy in front turn in?

    Here's Schumacher's pass on Hamilton on Lap 1 (0:44): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2_8mu-_Hxs

    And here's Hamilton's pass on Massa later on (0:02): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XizXIBZIf9w

    At that point, Schumacher was already side-by-side with Hamilton in the former, while Hamilton was not quite there yet in the latter.

    The key point in the latter video is that Hamilton had indeed started his attempt on Massa early enough, but didn't see Webber braking earlier to avoid hitting Buemi. That in turn forced Massa to turn in earlier to avoid hitting Webber. Had Hamilton backed out of his move and let Massa sort it out on his own with Webber, it would've been Massa up on the kerb to avoid Webber. That would've probably meant Lewis being able to pass him round the outside. As things turned out, Lewis was already on the kerb and Massa had nowhere to go.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 08:12

    Yep agreed. Rosberg knew better I suppose. But seeing as people are complaining that the DRS makes it difficult to defend an overtaking move, I think the system as we saw it yesterday with a driver defending his position being the innocent party may be the more popular one.

    It will discourage people trying to overtake outside the drs zones though which is a shame

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:12

    It will discourage people trying to overtake outside the drs zones though which is a shame

    Even more so now that there will be two of them from Canada on.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 08:13

    The key point in the latter video is that Hamilton had indeed started his attempt on Massa early enough, but didn't see Webber braking earlier to avoid hitting Buemi.

    Aye - Hamilton did need to be much further alongside to pull it off.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 08:14

    I'm surprised Hamilton didn't blame Buemi for making him crash into Massa

    ;)

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:14

    I'm surprised Hamilton didn't blame Buemi for making him crash into Massa

    :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 08:20

    @adamcooperf1: #F1 Re Lewis apology, McLaren press release said he 'chose' to go and see stewards, other sources said he was requested.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 08:20

    Webber not happy, I don't think:

    @AussieGrit: Did 2 F1 races on Sunday,1 long one 1 short one. In the short race you can change wings,tyres,engine,oops where's the 1000 page rulebook?!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:21

    @adamcooperf1: #F1 Re Lewis apology, McLaren press release said he 'chose' to go and see stewards, other sources said he was requested.

    I'm going to trust McLaren and believe it was his own decision. More likely, the stewards asked if he wanted to talk things over (you know, those implicit suggestions), and Lewis said yes.

    That means Lewis has been to the stewards 6 times in 6 races now. :D

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 08:22

    That means Lewis has been to the stewards 6 times in 6 races now. :D

    7 in 6 as he went twice on sunday and once post quali

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:22

    Webber not happy, I don't think:

    @AussieGrit: Did 2 F1 races on Sunday,1 long one 1 short one. In the short race you can change wings,tyres,engine,oops where's the 1000 page rulebook?!

    Had things stayed as they were, not only would he have gotten Kobayashi for 4th, he could've also gotten a podium (with any permutation of Vettel-Alonso-Button pitting or crashing). Dark horse for the win, as well.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:23

    7 in 6 as he went twice on sunday and once post quali

    Thrice in 2 days! Thrice!

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 08:27

    @shagers:

    Wheldon was 16/1 at race start. Hilderbrand was 100/1. #indy500 #indycar

    I'm not a gambler at all, but lucky those who put money on Wheldon. Commiserations to those that backed JR

  • Alex Andronov30/05/2011 at 08:30

    I like that the Daily makes it sound like RG is haunting Monday's Daily :)

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 08:31

    This comes with a strong language warning, so i wont post it here but jalopnik have a transcript of some of kimis radio from saturday. its quite funny

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 08:34

    This comes with a strong language warning, so i wont post it here but jalopnik have a transcript of some of kimis radio from saturday. its quite funny

    Made me laugh. :D Now I wish they featured more team radio back when Kimi was in F1...

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 08:35

    Made me laugh. :D Now I wish they featured more team radio back when Kimi was in F1...

    he always had the best.

    "Don't talk to me in the corners"

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 08:48

    "Don't talk to me in the corners"

    He seems to have become a bit less polite now :)

    although the sentiment remains:

    "Don't talk about other things on the radio"

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 08:57

    Richard branson has the worlds biggest hand http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/114921336/Getty-Images-Sport

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 09:24

    So yesterday when the BBC team were at the Red Bull Energy Station, they played a song which is also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUaWPNBCvxU

    Could someone please tell me what song is it?

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 09:26

    Could someone please tell me what song is it?

    barbara streisand

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 09:26

    barbara streisand

    by duck sauce.

  • Paul30/05/2011 at 09:27

    barbara streisandquote

    Urk

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 09:27

    Oh dear. That song is traumatic for me.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 09:27

    barbara streisand

    by duck sauce.

    Looks right.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 09:27

    barbara streisand

    by duck sauce.

    Awesome. Cheers Amy!

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 09:27

    Oh dear. That song is traumatic for me.

    Sorry! It's been driving me mad for weeks!

  • Paul30/05/2011 at 09:28

    Sorry! It's been driving me mad for weeks!

    Yes, it does that

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 09:28

    Awesome. Cheers Amy!

    its rare that I know things about music that is newer than the 90s :D

  • startledbunny30/05/2011 at 09:29

    Could someone please tell me what song is it?

    barbara streisand

    by duck sauce.

    If you go to http://gobarbra.com/ you can make your own version of it, like this http://audioboo.fm/boos/288295-do-i-have-an-ego

    *runs away quickly*

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 09:31

    Sorry! It's been driving me mad for weeks!

    Nick and I went to some Rugby last December and it was like their song of the tournament. I've never heard so much ooooh in my life.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 09:34

    Awesome. Cheers Amy!

    its rare that I know things about music that is newer than the 90s

    And it's a very good beat, too!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 09:35

    Nick and I went to some Rugby last December and it was like their song of the tournament. I've never heard so much ooooh in my life.

    :D Have you ever watched a darts game? :P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqp54_zIBTk

    Different song, but works the same way. I like it too. :D

  • startledbunny30/05/2011 at 09:38

    And it's a very good beat, too!

    Taken from a Boney M track

    http://youtu.be/BekOD-IBblI

    Which in turn was from a song by Nighttrain

    http://youtu.be/EcXiMQ0J2So

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 09:55

    Tsk tsk, McLaren. Tsk tsk.

    http://twitter.com/#!/adamcooperf1/status/75122232938074112

    BTW can now confirm Lewis was requested to go to stewards after remarks for apology, wasn't his or McLaren's idea

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 10:20

    Amazon for some reason has just suggested a Bieber DVD to me... Makes me wonder what I've been looking at...

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 10:23

    Novak Djokovic's next opponent has just pulled out with an injury so he needs to wait another round to continue trying to build on his record.

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 10:33

    Tsk tsk, McLaren. Tsk tsk.

    liars liars pants on fire!

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 10:37

    Amazon for some reason has just suggested a Bieber DVD to me... Makes me wonder what I've been looking at...

    mmm.. what do you want for birthday?

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 10:37

    Amazon for some reason has just suggested a Bieber DVD to me... Makes me wonder what I've been looking at...

    mmm.. what do you want for birthday?

    Would that cover it?

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 10:40

    Would that cover it?

    Better get 2 just to make sure

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 10:44

    mmm.. what do you want for birthday?

    Bit late now!!! :D

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 10:45

    mmm.. what do you want for birthday?

    Bit late now!!! :D

    Does that mean ive gotten away with it?

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 10:46

    Good to hear that Pirelli want the red flag rules changed with tyres

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91893

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 10:47

    Good to hear that Pirelli want the red flag rules changed with tyres

    Considering the restart shouldn't even have happened...

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 10:47

    Does that mean ive gotten away with it?

    No!

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 10:47

    Taken from a Boney M track

    http://youtu.be/BekOD-IBblI

    Which in turn was from a song by Nighttrain

    http://youtu.be/EcXiMQ0J2So

    Mind == Blown. Gonna have to blog about this later!

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 10:47

    Good to hear that Pirelli want the red flag rules changed with tyres

    Considering the restart shouldn't even have happened...

    Says who? Joe linked to the rules yesterday and it was pretty clear they could have?

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 10:48

    Considering the restart shouldn't even have happened...

    I don't see why not, unless you refer to the 75% race distance rule thing. I didn't have a problem with the restart, it was just the rules that made it completely pointless and now I think they realise that they need to be changed

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 10:49

    Hello. Great viewing figures tweeted by Jake just now:

    4 million #bbcf1 viewers on Saturday and over 6 million yesterday!

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 10:50

    I don't see why not, unless you refer to the 75% race distance rule thing. I didn't have a problem with the restart, it was just the rules that made it completely pointless and now I think they realise that they need to be changed

    I had two issues:

    1) Why they were allowed to fix and change tyres - why not put them in parc ferme conditions?

    2) I had to leave at 4:30 so it cut things pretty close!

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 10:51

    2) I had to leave at 4:30 so it cut things pretty close!

    This is why us fans need the number of Charlie Whiting, so we can give him a ring and let him know about such situations :)

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 10:53

    Does that mean ive gotten away with it?

    No!

    Ok,

    done

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 10:53

    If you go to http://gobarbra.com/ you can make your own version of it, like this audioboo.fm/boos/…-do-i-have-an-ego

    Listen to the boo - startledbunny, that's ace!

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 10:54

    Ooooh Li Na won in the tennis, I remember from the Australian open final :)

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 10:55

    done

    Wha?

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 10:55

    Here's mine: http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-e345d898818bfef802bec1e0376f36b9

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 10:57
  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 10:58

    Heheh!

    Someone needs to take the soundbites from his interview and make a Duck sauce remix!

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 11:00

    Someone needs to take the soundbites from his interview and make a Duck sauce remix!

    I think I may have a way how...

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:02

    Says who? Joe linked to the rules yesterday and it was pretty clear they could have?

    Article 43.2 of the Sporting Regulations - at least if "red flag" means "abort", as I'd always been led to believe. Aborting that late means the end-of-race signal's been invoked, otherwise the last time a red flag was waved at the end of the race (Brazil 2003) had completely the wrong procedure applied to it (certain elements of the stoppage procedure were different then, but none that affect the question of stoppage).

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:03

    Article 43.2 of the Sporting Regulations - at least if "red flag" means "abort", as I'd always been led to believe. Aborting that late means the end-of-race signal's been invoked, otherwise the last time a red flag was waved at the end of the race (Brazil 2003) had completely the wrong procedure applied to it (certain elements of the stoppage procedure were different then, but none that affect the question of stoppage).

    Ted says there were no issues with the race being resumed after the red flags were removed.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:03

    I don't see why not, unless you refer to the 75% race distance rule thing. I didn't have a problem with the restart, it was just the rules that made it completely pointless and now I think they realise that they need to be changed

    That is exactly what I'm referring to. Anyhow, if there'd been less than 75% of the race done, there'd have been a point to tyre-swapping. It's not like the tyre-change rule can be safely changed because of the possibility of punctures acquired through having to drive through an accident zone.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:03

    Ted says there were no issues with the race being resumed after the red flags were removed.

    The regulations don't agree with Ted or Joe.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:04

    That is exactly what I'm referring to. Anyhow, if there'd been less than 75% of the race done, there'd have been a point to tyre-swapping. It's not like the tyre-change rule can be safely changed because of the possibility of punctures acquired through having to drive through an accident zone.

    Ted says that the 75% mark only referred to points given out, and is not a factor in deciding if the race should still go ahead or not.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROz1dJRR6U

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:05

    That is exactly what I'm referring to. Anyhow, if there'd been less than 75% of the race done, there'd have been a point to tyre-swapping. It's not like the tyre-change rule can be safely changed because of the possibility of punctures acquired through having to drive through an accident zone.

    Give drivers the option of going into the pits rather than the red flag grid. they start at the back if they pit

    exception to tire changing rule if FIA declares a change in weather conditions during red flag period

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:05

    Ted says there were no issues with the race being resumed after the red flags were removed.

    The regulations don't agree with Ted or Joe.

    IMO, the only reason Brazil 2003 was not resumed was because there was so much standing water on track, and it wasn't safe to continue.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:06

    That is exactly what I'm referring to. Anyhow, if there'd been less than 75% of the race done, there'd have been a point to tyre-swapping. It's not like the tyre-change rule can be safely changed because of the possibility of punctures acquired through having to drive through an accident zone.

    Give drivers the option of going into the pits rather than the red flag grid. they start at the back if they pit

    exception to tire changing rule if FIA declares a change in weather conditions during red flag period

    This is actually a fantastic idea. They can pit, but they have to go to the back of the SC queue - in yesterday's case, that wouldn't have been the end of the world for Hamilton's race.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:07

    1) Why they were allowed to fix and change tyres - why not put them in parc ferme conditions?

    The "fix" one is debatable, especially since there is provision for using the pit lane (with a 10-second time penalty) if major repairs are needed. The tyres one has to be allowed for safety reasons.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:07

    Article 43.2 of the Sporting Regulations - at least if "red flag" means "abort", as I'd always been led to believe. .

    Article 41.1 says 'suspended' rather than aborted

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:07

    The "fix" one is debatable, especially since there is provision for using the pit lane (with a 10-second time penalty) if major repairs are needed. The tyres one has to be allowed for safety reasons.

    Well clearly they successfully made those repairs on the grid so why would they need to go into the pits?

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:08

    Give drivers the option of going into the pits rather than the red flag grid. they start at the back if they pit

    They have the option already. It costs them 10 seconds of time, which is already sufficient deterrent (and even if fixing cars had been banned, the only person likely to have opted for the pits was Hamilton - the others would simply have stuck to their previous strategies and most likely had the exact same result).

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:09

    Well clearly they successfully made those repairs on the grid so why would they need to go into the pits?

    We're talking about this being an option if working on the car on the grid in a red flag period is banned.

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 11:09

    There's a small prequel to the mid-season finale for Dr Who on Saturday if anyone is interested:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h74x2

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:10

    We're talking about this being an option if working on the car on the grid in a red flag period is banned.

    Why would you ban it though? Stopping the cars like that means you need to intervene or they're going to damage themselves right?

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:14

    IMO, the only reason Brazil 2003 was not resumed was because there was so much standing water on track, and it wasn't safe to continue.

    There was less standing water on the track at the end than at any other part of that race - it stopped raining in the middle and didn't resume. That was why everyone on Bridgestones suddenly found themselves able to catch and pass people on Michelins.

    If there had been any call for stoppage, it would have been barrier-related, but there were 29 minutes of race time to go and stoppage time didn't count towards the two hours, as demonstrated in Nurburgring 2007 (which would have stopped purely on time about 11 laps early had stoppage time been counted).

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:15

    We're talking about this being an option if working on the car on the grid in a red flag period is banned.

    Why would you ban it though? Stopping the cars like that means you need to intervene or they're going to damage themselves right?

    I dont think there is a problem with people working on/attending to the cars as long as the tires stay on.

    For example they had to restart the race because of a collison into turn 1, you would let them replace nosecones?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:16

    For example they had to restart the race because of a collison into turn 1, you would let them replace nosecones?

    But that's a restart, which is fundamentally different. In a restart, it's as if the failed start didn't happen.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:16

    http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-882c5267ee9270a054b4420397e51995

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:17

    But that's a restart, which is fundamentally different. In a restart, it's as if the failed start didn't happen.

    I dont see a difference.

    Replacing damaged parts is quite different to refueling or swapping tires imo

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:17
  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 11:17

    gobarbra.com/hit/…054b4420397e51995

    Oh wow.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:18

    But that's a restart, which is fundamentally different. In a restart, it's as if the failed start didn't happen.

    Except you're sat in the same car with the same smashed up parts.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:18

    gobarbra.com/hit/…054b4420397e51995

    Awww! Wish I could listen to it.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:19

    Oh wow.

    Kill me.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:19

    But that's a restart, which is fundamentally different. In a restart, it's as if the failed start didn't happen.

    Except you're sat in the same car with the same smashed up parts.

    Yup. If you notice, we don't get restarts anymore. Rarely, if at all. One reason is we don't have spare cars anymore that drivers can use if they smash up the last one.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:22

    Yup. If you notice, we don't get restarts anymore. Rarely, if at all. One reason is we don't have spare cars anymore that drivers can use if they smash up the last one.

    Less sand/gravel traps at turn one helps as well

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:22

    Article 41.1 says 'suspended' rather than aborted

    Turns out that although the whole "Case A/B/C" business has been removed from the F1 regulations, it's still in the International Sporting Code (Article 18) - and unlike what the F1 version used to say, its Case C absolutely bars restart after the 75% mark. Since the F1 version in 2003 didn't compel non-restart in Case C, presumably the International Sporting Code Article 18 must have been invoked in Brazil 2003... ...which given the lack of superseding regulation in the F1 Sporting Code, means that must still be in effect in this situation.

    (I have to admit I thought the F1 regulations themselves required a stop in the case of a 75% red-flag scenario. Hence why it's taken me this long to look at the ISC for position testing).

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 11:23

    Two versions :)

    http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-cf3326d7d03b3b045610a495b7b2c1e3

    http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-e9a36e30b93b6da11c9f2c7f8aa3c5cb

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 11:23
  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:23

    Yup. If you notice, we don't get restarts anymore. Rarely, if at all. One reason is we don't have spare cars anymore that drivers can use if they smash up the last one.

    I've never seen a big big smush on the first lap though. I guess there's not been a scenario it'd be helpful recently.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:23

    Less sand/gravel traps at turn one helps as well

    I remember the 1995 start, where the Ferraris of Alesi and Berger ran into each other after DC in the Williams damaged their cars. Ferrari had TWO spare cars that day - just because it was Monaco. The rules have been changed since then, though.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:24

    Why would you ban it though? Stopping the cars like that means you need to intervene or they're going to damage themselves right?

    The ban would be to ensure that cars restart in broadly the condition they stopped in. If they were in danger, they could repair in the pits but take a penalty for doing so.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:25

    I've never seen a big big smush on the first lap though. I guess there's not been a scenario it'd be helpful recently.

    The first time this new rule was applied was in 2002, in time for the first race in Australia. A huge smash-up eliminated something like 10 cars, and the track was a mess. But they decided to let the field run behind the SC.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:25

    The ban would be to ensure that cars restart in broadly the condition they stopped in. If they were in danger, they could repair in the pits but take a penalty for doing so.

    Why should you take a penalty? Surely having to start from the pitlane is more than enough. It makes you plumb last.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:25

    But that's a restart, which is fundamentally different. In a restart, it's as if the failed start didn't happen.

    Interestingly, F1 used to treat those two scenarios as fundamentally different (Case A for a restart was basically "repeat the start procedure from the 10-minute mark" and Case B was what we saw yesterday), but has stopped doing so, perhaps due to the complexity.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:26

    Why should you take a penalty? Surely having to start from the pitlane is more than enough. It makes you plumb last.

    If you were already at the back of the queue, and you just catch up to the end of the Safety Car queue after your stop, that's a zero penalty.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:26

    Yup. If you notice, we don't get restarts anymore. Rarely, if at all. One reason is we don't have spare cars anymore that drivers can use if they smash up the last one.

    There's also a system for continuing the race if someone stalls or has a mechanical failure on the grid - which itself has become less necessary as the reliability of drivers and cars has increased.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:26

    If you were already at the back of the queue, and you just catch up to the end of the Safety Car queue after your stop, that's a zero penalty.

    And? That's how you treat accident damage while the race is running.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:27

    Why should you take a penalty? Surely having to start from the pitlane is more than enough. It makes you plumb last.

    Precisely. That's the penalty ;)

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:27

    If you were already at the back of the queue, and you just catch up to the end of the Safety Car queue after your stop, that's a zero penalty.

    But your last! Whats the point of a further penalty!

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:28

    And? That's how you treat accident damage while the race is running.

    Exactly. That's why Sutil managed to come out of his pitstop to replace the wheel he lost bashing the wall yesterday losing the grand total of one position.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:29

    Precisely. That's the penalty ;)

    Yes so what on earth is the point of a time penalty. I don't particularly see anything wrong with wing repairs on the grid though tbh...

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:29

    If you were already at the back of the queue, and you just catch up to the end of the Safety Car queue after your stop, that's a zero penalty.

    But your last! Whats the point of a further penalty!

    Because you're not necessarily last - just the last guy on the lead lap. If you're 2nd and at the back of the queue - even if you pit, you'd still come out 2nd.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:29

    But your last! Whats the point of a further penalty!

    In case you get benefit from any new things you got while in the pits.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:31

    Yes so what on earth is the point of a time penalty. I don't particularly see anything wrong with wing repairs on the grid though tbh...

    I didn't until they were still doing them with less than a minute to go. I'd prefer them to more precisely replicate a start procedure (tyre heaters off 2 minutes before, non-essential staff off the grid by the same point repair work to cars complete by the same stage). Otherwise it's a bit risky to whichever staff end up doing the repair work if they discover that the job can't be done in the 30-second limit.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:33

    In case you get benefit from any new things you got while in the pits.

    I think repairs are fine.

    What if someone hits you and its not your fault.

    Tires, brakes and fluids should remain untouched

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 11:35

    Because you're not necessarily last - just the last guy on the lead lap. If you're 2nd and at the back of the queue - even if you pit, you'd still come out 2nd.

    oh...

    All i can say to that is

    "If you're not first, you're last"

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 11:36

    "If you're not first, you're last"

    Second time that's been mentioned in today's daily. :D

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:36

    What if someone hits you and its not your fault.

    Tires, brakes and fluids should remain untouched

    Tyres are the most likely part of the car to be damaged through actions that are not your fault (arguably, that's why we're even debating all this today, for it was a damaged tyre on Sutil's car that triggered those around him into causing the collisions).

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 11:37

    Because you're not necessarily last - just the last guy on the lead lap. If you're 2nd and at the back of the queue - even if you pit, you'd still come out 2nd.

    Meh. I just question the relevance of a fixed time penalty.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 11:40

    Meh. I just question the relevance of a fixed time penalty.

    Adding time to someone who's last on the same lap is not going to change anyone's race unless they gain an improvement to their performance relative to others on the same lap. I suppose that penalty ensures if you're genuinely only making the car as fast, on average, as it was before the stoppage then it makes no difference. It merely prevents abuse of the facility.

  • Sidepodcast Update30/05/2011 at 11:45
  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:04

    More FIFA news - with the best quote EVER:

    "You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13592684.stm

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 12:21

    Aeroplane plank

    http://plankingeverywhere.tumblr.com/post/5751049514/mile-high-plank

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 12:22

    Not been straight forward for Nadal in the French Open, he's a set up but Ljubicic is giving him a game...

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 12:24

    Not been straight forward for Nadal in the French Open, he's a set up but Ljubicic is giving him a game...

    I hope its monopoly, that will keep him busy for the rest of the match.

    Tactical move there ;)

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 12:31

    Ted video news - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13588819.stm

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 12:32

    "You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it."

    Warner's been on the take for years though - a very shady character!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:33

    Ted video news - news.bbc.co.uk/sp…_one/13588819.stm

    And the non-UK link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROz1dJRR6U

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:35

    "You don't have to believe me, you don't have to like me, nobody has to eat with me, drink with me or sleep with me but Jesus Christ, take the truth when you see it."

    Warner's been on the take for years though - a very shady character!

    Valcke has confirmed the email legit, though. Which implicitly means he IS publicly accusing bin Hammam of buying the 2022 WC for Qatar.

    This is beyond insane.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 12:36

    This is beyond insane.

    It's about time this happened. Football is just too greedy and corrupt now.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 12:38

    Valcke has confirmed the email legit, though. Which implicitly means he IS publicly accusing bin Hammam of buying the 2022 WC for Qatar.

    Did anyone really think they got it for being anything other than really rich?

    I mean if you are going to have it in this region the UAE would make way more sense, not having a multi city event in a country with one main city!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:38

    This is beyond insane.

    It's about time this happened. Football is just too greedy and corrupt now.

    But, boy, this is some way to go. It's a total meltdown. People are saying Blatter will find a way to hang on, but how much more of this can he survive?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:39

    I mean if you are going to have it in this region the UAE would make way more sense, not having a multi city event in a country with one main city!

    Hahaha! Very true. But for someone in FIFA to acknowledge it - even if only implicitly - outside of an official investigation - that's something else.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 12:42

    Hahaha! Very true. But for someone in FIFA to acknowledge it - even if only implicitly - outside of an official investigation - that's something else.

    What does it matter? It's all quite clearly very corrupt and no-one seems to have been motivated to do anything about it up to this point....

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 12:43

    What does it matter? It's all quite clearly very corrupt and no-one seems to have been motivated to do anything about it up to this point....

    Nobody really can, because they get alienated too easily. It's just like the FIA in that regard.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:45

    What does it matter? It's all quite clearly very corrupt and no-one seems to have been motivated to do anything about it up to this point....

    Then again, who can? Only the Swiss can intervene. And so far, they haven't shown any inclination to. No surprise, there - we've seen a similar response with the FIA.

    The only other stakeholders that can sway this are the FAs. There has been talk of a breakaway from FIFA (sounds familiar?) But how can we be certain they're not corrupt too?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:45

    Nobody really can, because they get alienated too easily. It's just like the FIA in that regard.

    Surprisingly, it was Mosley's anointed successor who sorted things out at the FIA. Not sure we can expect a similar miracle at FIFA.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 12:46

    Surprisingly, it was Mosley's anointed successor who sorted things out at the FIA. Not sure we can expect a similar miracle at FIFA.

    Still, I don't think what's happened at the FIA was supposed to. Why else would Bernie be unhappy?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:47

    Still, I don't think what's happened at the FIA was supposed to. Why else would Bernie be unhappy?

    Exactly why it's a surprise - because, honestly, no one expected it.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 12:47

    Still, I don't think what's happened at the FIA was supposed to. Why else would Bernie be unhappy?

    What has happened at the FIA?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:49

    Still, I don't think what's happened at the FIA was supposed to. Why else would Bernie be unhappy?

    What has happened at the FIA?

    There's been a lot less political intervention in their motorsports, and given them a lot more autonomy in how they run things.

    That said, I suddenly remembered the Bahrain decision on Friday - so my view on this can yet change.

  • RubberGoat30/05/2011 at 12:50

    That said, I suddenly remembered the Bahrain decision on Friday - so my view on this can yet change.

    Have they decided what to do yet=?

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 12:50

    There's been a lot less political intervention in their motorsports, and given them a lot more autonomy in how they run things.

    I see. They do seem to love the boys in red. Was anything ever said about that unsafe release?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:52

    That said, I suddenly remembered the Bahrain decision on Friday - so my view on this can yet change.

    Have they decided what to do yet=?

    Unless they came to any agreement at Monaco, I don't think so. FOTA doesn't have a single position, either, as Ferrari have already publicly said they want to go back. Mumtalakat's stake in McLaren has put the Woking team in a bit of a jam, as well.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 12:52

    I see. They do seem to love the boys in red. Was anything ever said about that unsafe release?

    Not that I remember.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 13:30

    What has happened at the FIA?

    They've started to do things with aims other than outright power-grabbing at all costs.

  • Lady Snowcat30/05/2011 at 14:00

    Unless they came to any agreement at Monaco, I don't think so. FOTA doesn't have a single position, either, as Ferrari have already publicly said they want to go back. .

    Ferrari didn't say "this year"...

    They carefully just said that they want to go back...

    They also said it would be difficult this year and the teams would have to look closely at any proposals...

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 14:00

    Have they decided what to do yet=?

    The decision (or postponement) is due on June 3.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 14:02

    Unless they came to any agreement at Monaco, I don't think so. FOTA doesn't have a single position, either, as Ferrari have already publicly said they want to go back. .

    Ferrari didn't say "this year"...

    They carefully just said that they want to go back...

    They also said it would be difficult this year and the teams would have to look closely at any proposals...

    It's a way to cover both outcomes, but will they come out and say not to go back this year?

  • Lady Snowcat30/05/2011 at 14:05

    It's a way to cover both outcomes, but will they come out and say not to go back this year?

    They are sitting on the fence along with all the other teams whilst saying that they want to go to Bahrain for a long, long time and for that it may be better to do it next year...

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 15:00

    I think Andy Murray might be up next.

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 15:02

    I think Andy Murray might be up next.

    Oh no, ladies up first.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 15:34

    They are sitting on the fence along with all the other teams whilst saying that they want to go to Bahrain for a long, long time and for that it may be better to do it next year...

    As it is, though, their silence is deafening. They'll share some of the blame in my eyes if we do end up going back there.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 15:35

    Saw the whole mess Pitpass made this morning. They're hilarious - they deleted the article, but not the tweet pointing to it. :D

    Shocking that they're GAINING followers today, though.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 15:51

    I'm hungryyyy. Might buy a pizza. Mmmmm

  • Eric the baker30/05/2011 at 16:05

    Quite stunned to see that my FantasyRacers team is doing well. In position 354 overall. Finally a decent showing in my 3rd year of trying.

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 16:05

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/tweets-of-the-week-three-cheers-for-pastor

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 16:07

    Quite stunned to see that my FantasyRacers team is doing well. In position 354 overall. Finally a decent showing in my 3rd year of trying.

    Heh. I'm amused that I'm in the SPC Top 10! Did you join the SPC league?

  • Eric the baker30/05/2011 at 16:09

    Heh. I'm amused that I'm in the SPC Top 10! Did you join the SPC league?

    No, was limited to two leagues. I joined the Candid8 league (they're offering a Silverstone package to the winner) and the US league.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 16:10

    No, was limited to two leagues. I joined the Candid8 league (they're offering a Silverstone package to the winner) and the US league.

    Wow, that's impressive. No surprise, then, that they lead the leagues.

  • Eric the baker30/05/2011 at 16:18

    A friend of a friend (he's an ER doctor in Chicago) is doing an interesting podcast, though a bit grim perhaps. He and his co-producer are focusing on obituaries of recently deceased people who led interesting lives.

    Remembering the Passed

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 16:30

    Murray time now.

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 16:43

    Murray time now.

    Although probably not for long. Silly ankle.

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 16:45

    Ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/sergio-prez-and-vitaly-petrov-in-recovery-after-monaco-accidents

  • Sidepodcast Classics30/05/2011 at 17:00

    Enjoy a little something from the sidepodcast.com back catalogue.

    - Flying the Coop

    Originally published 12/12/2007

  • jpancoast30/05/2011 at 17:05

    No, was limited to two leagues. I joined the Candid8 league (they're offering a Silverstone package to the winner) and the US league.

    I'm 4th overall of all the fantasy WRC folks, not in a league though for either WRC or F1. Something like 1100 overall in F1.

    Haven't touched either team since I created them, though :)

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 17:07

    - Flying the Coop

    Wowsers, F1Minute has changed.

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:16

    Hi All,

    Just been watching the forum from Monaco race. Has anything been made of the piece of material that nearly hit Petrov in the head ? about 37min:13sec on the forum (view from Petrov's T bar cam). it looks like it gets flicked up from the car two in front and goes above Petrov's left rear view mirror. or I'm seeing things. I think he was lucky.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 17:20

    I have just been indoor go karting.

    My arms have died, nobody told me how much harder it is than on an outdoor track!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:21

    Just been watching the forum from Monaco race. Has anything been made of the piece of material that nearly hit Petrov in the head ? about 37min:13sec on the forum (view from Petrov's T bar cam). it looks like it gets flicked up from the car two in front and goes above Petrov's left rear view mirror. or I'm seeing things. I think he was lucky.

    Looking at it now. Are you referring to the red piece of carbon-fibre? That came from his own front wing left-side endplate. Given the low speed of the crash, I don't think it would've troubled him.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:21

    Looking at it now. Are you referring to the red piece of carbon-fibre? That came from his own front wing left-side endplate. Given the low speed of the crash, I don't think it would've troubled him.

    OH. I see it now, WAY earlier in the vid. Lemme check it again.

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:23

    OH. I see it now, WAY earlier in the vid. Lemme check it again.

    yeah think it flicks up from the right rear of a car maybe two in front. I could do a screen capture? It hits just behind the left part of the car, then bounces slightly to the right before disappearing. i don't think it hit him but I'm just concerned as to what it was and how close it was.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:24

    yeah think it flicks up from the right rear of a car maybe two in front. I could do a screen capture? It hits just behind the left part of the car, then bounces slightly to the right before disappearing. i don't think it hit him but I'm just concerned as to what it was and how close it was.

    By all means do. It would be good if you could also capture the frames before that.

    I can't even see where it comes from - it wasn't on the track prior to that, so it probably fell off another car.

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:25

    By all means do. It would be good if you could also capture the frames before that.

    I can try. just not sure where I can post it - I"m not on twitter etc. It's as one of the commentators says "unless there was something else there". any ideas where I can post?

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:27

    I can try. just not sure where I can post it - I"m not on twitter etc. It's as one of the commentators says "unless there was something else there". any ideas where I can post?

    Imageshack should work for you, I guess.

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:28

    Imageshack should work for you, I guess.

    okay. it'll take me five minutes to copy, paste, etc. standby...

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:36

    okay. it'll take me five minutes to copy, paste, etc. standby...

    still fiddling. going to see if I can make a slow-mo video which will make it easier to pause etc.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:36

    still fiddling. going to see if I can make a slow-mo video which will make it easier to pause etc.

    Ooooh, yes, please. :D

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:37

    Ooooh, yes, please. :D

    pressing play, then restart isn't fast enough. I have nice audio editing but not video gear but VLC might do it.

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:39

    Ooooh, yes, please. :D

    pressing play, then restart isn't fast enough. I have nice audio editing but not video gear but VLC might do it.

    No worries. I might sleep in a bit. In case I don't see your video before then, I'm sure I'll see it tonight your time. :)

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:40

    So here are five screen captures of an object that appeared on replays before Petrov crashed, and probably off Sutils car

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/371302.png/

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/371302b.png/

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/371303beforemirror.png/

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/709/371303nearmirror.png/

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/371303nearmirror2.png/

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:41

    No worries. I might sleep in a bit. In case I don't see your video before then, I'm sure I'll see it tonight your time. :)

    no worries. if it doesn't happen straight away, might not happen at all!

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:41

    So here are five screen captures of an object that appeared on replays before Petrov crashed, and probably off Sutils car

    Loading them now. :)

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:44

    So here are five screen captures of an object that appeared on replays before Petrov crashed, and probably off Sutils car

    Loading them now. :)

    Wow - you're a legend. You captured the split-second it was on track before Lewis' Macca threw it back in the air.

    That said, carbon-fibre is a lot lighter than a spring, and helmets have been toughened up since Massa's accident. Had it hit Petrov, he may have also ended up crashing with such a distraction. But I think he'd walk away uninjured.

  • Sidepodcast Update30/05/2011 at 17:45
  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:48

    Wow - you're a legend. You captured the split-second it was on track before Lewis' Macca threw it back in the air.

    well goll-ee. thanks.

    Yeah I wasn't sure what it was or if I saw something. I agree with you that it was carbon fibre but whoa....lucky boy. figured someone else would have seen it? I don't think I'll do a video or something - F1 people don't seem to like that. besides, I don't know how to ;)

  • Journeyer30/05/2011 at 17:50

    Yeah I wasn't sure what it was or if I saw something. I agree with you that it was carbon fibre but whoa....lucky boy. figured someone else would have seen it? I don't think I'll do a video or something - F1 people don't seem to like that. besides, I don't know how to ;)

    A super-slomo would escape the YouTube hunters because it won't match their feed output. Not to mention you found something new.

    Anyway, off to bed. G'night!

  • The Boston Red Scott30/05/2011 at 17:51

    Anyway, off to bed. G'night!

    goodnight

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 18:17

    A tweet from @jonathandavey: Comparison of Hamilton's overtake on Schumacher and the Maldonado crash: http://bit.ly/m0dPJx

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:21

    Evening

    A tweet from @jonathandavey: Comparison of Hamilton's overtake on Schumacher and the Maldonado crash: http://bit.ly/m0dPJx

    The moves were more similar than I thought. I thought he was a lot further behind Maldonado than Schumacher when really there was not a lot of difference. I still don't think Maldonado was at fault for the crash though

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 18:25

    Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYiNKYaviZI

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 18:28

    The moves were more similar than I thought. I thought he was a lot further behind Maldonado than Schumacher when really there was not a lot of difference. I still don't think Maldonado was at fault for the crash though

    The Schumacher one only worked because Hamilton was seemingly asleep - a "willing partner", as Martin Brundle correctly pointed out was necessary for a hairpin pass to work. Maldonado was not willing...

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:29

    Also: www.youtube.com/w…tch?v=JYiNKYaviZI

    Hang on a minute. Didn't spot it at the time but how many moves did Maldonado make there? That is blocking and he should have received a penalty for that.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:30

    The Schumacher one only worked because Hamilton was seemingly asleep - a "willing partner", as Martin Brundle correctly pointed out was necessary for a hairpin pass to work. Maldonado was not willing...

    Wrong move Alia. This is about Lewis passing Schumacher at Ste Devote just like he tried to pass Maldonado

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 18:32

    Hang on a minute. Didn't spot it at the time but how many moves did Maldonado make there? That is blocking and he should have received a penalty for that.

    Woah. Now you mention it, loads!

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:37

    Woah. Now you mention it, loads!

    Decided to stir it up on twitter. I assume some people will assume I am serious and let themselves get very wound up. :)

  • Stuart Taylor30/05/2011 at 18:41

    you're playing with fire, Roy

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 18:42

    Love the last story of Paddock Life this week: http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/3555/behind-the-scenes-at-monaco/

    Cheeky Heidfeld.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:43

    you're playing with fire, Roy

    I haven't stirred things up for a while. I am due a little fun

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 18:43

    Wrong move Alia. This is about Lewis passing Schumacher at Ste Devote just like he tried to pass Maldonado

    Those two were in too many moves together yesterday...

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:46

    Love the last story of Paddock Life this week: plus.autosport.co…scenes-at-monaco/

    Just started reading through that and I forgot about the new surface at Ste Devote after the truck fire. Awesome job by whoever laid it. Not a single problem with it over the whole weekend even though cars were braking and turning in on it. Quite incredible.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 18:48

    Quite stunned to see that my FantasyRacers team is doing well. In position 354 overall. Finally a decent showing in my 3rd year of trying.

    I'm doing appallingly. I believe my team is around 97th in the Sidepodcast league, and that's my second-best team of the five!

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 18:50

    My arms have died, nobody told me how much harder it is than on an outdoor track!

    The first time I did indoor karting, my armpits hurt a lot for some reason...

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:52

    Cheeky Heidfeld.

    I thought he was such a quiet boy.

    I had no idea about DC's incident with the paprazzi

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:53

    My arms have died, nobody told me how much harder it is than on an outdoor track!

    Was it really bumpy?

    The first time I did indoor karting, my armpits hurt a lot for some reason...

    THe only pain I have ever had is either bruising on my back from the seat or on knees from bashing them of the steering column

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 18:54

    Shocking that they're GAINING followers today, though.

    Probably because nobody knew Pitpass had a Twitter stream until Will Buxton said to direct our complaints there.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 18:55

    As it is, though, their silence is deafening. They'll share some of the blame in my eyes if we do end up going back there.

    The trouble is that if they do anything that could be perceived as sabotaging the return to Bahrain this year, they could all be done under 151c. This way, they get to keep safe until it becomes necessary to use more than the odd disapproving hints they've given so far.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 18:58

    Just saw Jake tweet about his latest blog entry. Somehow he avoided being thrown in the pool after the race

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2011/05/glamour_and_controversy_in_mon.html

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 18:59

    Just saw Jake tweet about his latest blog entry. Somehow he avoided being thrown in the pool after the race

    He'd already been in, going in again would just be greedy :)

    Evening guys

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:05

    He'd already been in, going in again would just be greedy :)

    I was sure that after EJ had been in 3 times and DC was dragged in screaming like a girl that those two would have thrown Jake in

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:06

    I was sure that after EJ had been in 3 times and DC was dragged in screaming like a girl that those two would have thrown Jake in

    Maybe they reasoned that they needed one BBC presenter to be dry enough to hold microphones otherwise they might be in a spot of bother with their bosses...

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:13

    I can't even start an argument on twitter any more. Other than Alianora one person replied and he agreed with me.

    #failure

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 19:15

    I can't even start an argument on twitter any more. Other than Alianora one person replied and he agreed with me.

    Hehehe.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 19:16

    I can't even start an argument on twitter any more. Other than Alianora one person replied and he agreed with me.

    I can find Nick?

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 19:20

    Mr C has another view: http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/on-why-its-all-sutils-fault

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:24

    I can find Nick?

    I want a sensible argument

  • Becken30/05/2011 at 19:25

    I can't even start an argument on twitter any more. Other than Alianora one person replied and he agreed with me.

    Hey, dont be upset Steven. I ABSOLUTELY agree with you :D, but nowadays is little bit dangerous to say something in Hamilton´s favor in public.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:26

    Mr C has another view: sidepodcast.poste…-all-sutils-fault

    Sutil had no choice. He either had to rejoin the track or run into the wall. But that was definitely the incident that caused all the problems. I still don't understand why they changed the red flag rules to let them work on cars. A red flag should me the race is neutralised not that there is a 20 minute pit stop.

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 19:28

    Sutil had no choice. He either had to rejoin the track or run into the wall. But that was definitely the incident that caused all the problems. I still don't understand why they changed the red flag rules to let them work on cars. A red flag should me the race is neutralised not that there is a 20 minute pit stop.

    If he had damage he could've moved to the right and not entered the chicane until the traffic had passed. He had time.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:30

    Hey, dont be upset Steven. I ABSOLUTELY agree with you :D, but nowadays is little bit dangerous to say something in Hamilton´s favor in public.

    I thought adding the hashtags may still some people up. I simply do not understand how the stewards could have reviewed the incident and not noticed all the weaving. Of course it would be the one occasion the BBC did not have a word with the driver steward. We could have had a sensible explanation from McNish which would have been much better use of air time than Blundell last week saying I can'tsay nuffink guv'nor

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:31

    If he had damage he could've moved to the right and not entered the chicane until the traffic had passed. He had time.

    I don't think so. I only saw it live but I don't think he had much choice

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:31

    Mr C has another view: sidepodcast.poste…-all-sutils-fault

    I thought it was Kobayashi's fault for causing the damage to Sutil's car that sent him into the wall in the first place, but decided that the causation chain was so ridiculously long by that point that I might as well blame Jean Todt for holding the race in the first place...

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:33

    Sutil had no choice. He either had to rejoin the track or run into the wall. But that was definitely the incident that caused all the problems. I still don't understand why they changed the red flag rules to let them work on cars. A red flag should me the race is neutralised not that there is a 20 minute pit stop.

    The red flag rules never changed to allow work on the cars. Everything seen in that stoppage has been legal since at least 2003, where the rules were changed to prevent bodywork from being changed for non-equal bits of bodywork.

  • RG30/05/2011 at 19:33

    I thought it was Kobayashi's fault for causing the damage to Sutil's car that sent him into the wall in the first place, but decided that the causation chain was so ridiculously long by that point that I might as well blame Jean Todt for holding the race in the first place...

    Leigh pointed out to me yesterday (because I agreed with your viewpoint initially), that he did have 3 laps to come in and repair any possible damage.

    Hi folks.

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 19:34

    Bah, I just burnt my toast because I was reading the comments about Sutil and Mr C's sutil point

    #blamesutil

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:35

    Leigh pointed out to me yesterday (because I agreed with your viewpoint initially), that he did have 3 laps to come in and repair any possible damage.

    If it was a slow puncture (which from the length of time between trigger and crash I suspect to be the case), he and the team may not have known there was anything to worry about - other than a loss of time - until it was too late.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:35

    Bah, I just burnt my toast because I was reading the comments about Sutil and Mr C's sutil point

    #blamesutil

    :D

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 19:35

    If it was a slow puncture (which from the length of time between trigger and crash I suspect to be the case), he and the team may not have known there was anything to worry about - other than a loss of time - until it was too late.

    Really?? 3 laps?

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:36

    The red flag rules never changed to allow work on the cars. Everything seen in that stoppage has been legal since at least 2003, where the rules were changed to prevent bodywork from being changed for non-equal bits of bodywork.

    We have so few red flags that I had no idea the rules allowed such things

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 19:36

    Really?? 3 laps?

    I just can't imagine there wouldn't be a drop in the tyre pressure.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:36

    Really?? 3 laps?

    Yes.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:37

    I just can't imagine there wouldn't be a drop in the tyre pressure.

    It depends how slowly it is dropping

  • Mr C30/05/2011 at 19:37

    I thought it was Kobayashi's fault for causing the damage to Sutil's car that sent him into the wall in the first place, but decided that the causation chain was so ridiculously long by that point that I might as well blame Jean Todt for holding the race in the first place...

    koby did not cause any damage.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:38

    We have so few red flags that I had no idea the rules allowed such things

    Precisely. It's not a section of the regulations that gets tested very often. The only dodgy thing that happened, according to the regulations, was the restart occurring in the first place. Everything the teams did in response was by the book for the same reasons as it has been for a long time.

  • Mr C30/05/2011 at 19:38

    sutil's own words:

    When the first safety car came out I pitted to take the option tyres and I knew I would be on them for a very long time. I tried to make them last, although they dropped off with about 15 laps to go and that's when I had a big train of cars behind me. It was then that I ran wide on the marbles at turn 12, which gave me a right rear puncture.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:39

    I just can't imagine there wouldn't be a drop in the tyre pressure.

    It only had to hold for another 9 laps for it to have held. If the pressure only appeared to be dropping by 0.1 psi per lap or so, there'd be no reason to call him in as it would have been within reasonable tolerances. Of course, underinflated tyres do make braking more difficult...

  • Mr C30/05/2011 at 19:39

    Really?? 3 laps?

    Yes.

    no.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:40

    When the first safety car came out I pitted to take the option tyres and I knew I would be on them for a very long time. I tried to make them last, although they dropped off with about 15 laps to go and that's when I had a big train of cars behind me. It was then that I ran wide on the marbles at turn 12, which gave me a right rear puncture.

    Considering that he never acknowledged the Kobayashi incident, I cannot use that to cancel the possibility that there was a pre-existing slow puncture from it before the crash Adrian mentioned (losing the tyre in one go would tend to be obvious in a way a slow puncture is not).

  • Mr C30/05/2011 at 19:40

    Considering that he never acknowledged the Kobayashi incident, I cannot use that to cancel the possibility that there was a pre-existing slow puncture from it before the crash Adrian mentioned (losing the tyre in one go would tend to be obvious in a way a slow puncture is not).

    give me a break.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:42

    koby did not cause any damage.

    How can that be? Bits came off both cars, for a starter.

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:42

    give me a break.

    You're making it extremely difficult to do so by asserting something which doesn't appear to fit with what happened.

  • Mr C30/05/2011 at 19:43

    this is why i no longer comment on sidepodcast. madness.

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 19:44

    this is why i no longer comment on sidepodcast. madness.

    Except you seem to keep on commenting. Stop it, we have a show to do.

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 19:51

    You're making it extremely difficult to do so by asserting something which doesn't appear to fit with what happened.

    Or maybe it could be a difference of opinion because nobody really knows what happened.

    I don't even remember a Kobayashi/Sutil thing although I was watching racing for 12 hours yesterday. :)

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 19:51

    From @FelipCleeren - Caption This:

    http://sport.be.msn.com/media/photos/fotospecial/7937/BELGA-PICTURE-27392997.jpg

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 19:53

    I have a big pie.

  • Lady Snowcat30/05/2011 at 19:53

    Mr C has a great point...

    Get rid of Sutil and pop the Hulk into his seat please...

    I'd at least have someone to support then...

  • Lukeh30/05/2011 at 19:53

    From @FelipCleeren - Caption This:

    "Checo Perez disguise ruffled after attempt to get back onto the grid following crash"

  • RG30/05/2011 at 19:55

    I don't even remember a Kobayashi/Sutil thing although I was watching racing for 12 hours yesterday. :)

    I remember it far too well because I nearly had a heart attack. Starting to think Kobi hit Sutil's car further up the sidepod.

  • Lady Snowcat30/05/2011 at 19:55

    I am watching Aircrash Investigation on National Geographic channel...

    Always a favourite...

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 19:56

    I have a big pie.

    Filling?

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:56

    From @FelipCleeren - Caption This:

    Bernie impersonates nail - Where is my hammer?

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:56

    I don't even remember a Kobayashi/Sutil thing although I was watching racing for 12 hours yesterday. :)

    I have no memory of it either

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 19:57

    "Checo Perez disguise ruffled after attempt to get back onto the grid following crash"

    :D

  • Lady Snowcat30/05/2011 at 19:57

    From @FelipCleeren - Caption This:

    "I have no idea why people think I have anything to do with Perez getting his seat"...

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 19:57

    Filling?

    Very

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 19:59

    I have a big pie.

    Filling?

    Very.

    Ha

    Steak and red wine. And a pint of Bishops Finger ale.

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 19:59

    I am watching Aircrash Investigation on National Geographic channel...

    Always a favourite...

    I like that too, which one's this?

  • Maverick30/05/2011 at 20:00

    From @FelipCleeren - Caption This:

    as talks over the next concorde agreement open, Bernie denies there is a mexican stand-off

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 20:00

    "Checo Perez disguise ruffled after attempt to get back onto the grid following crash"

    :)

  • Lady Snowcat30/05/2011 at 20:00

    I like that too, which one's this?

    Landing on another aircraft at LAX... and before that the Airbus demonstration of how not to land in trees...

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 20:05

    Landing on another aircraft at LAX... and before that the Airbus demonstration of how not to land in trees...

    Double whoops!

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 20:07

    Landing on another aircraft at LAX... and before that the Airbus demonstration of how not to land in trees...

    Heard of the first but not the second. Can be some scary stuff sometimes, at least they are able to work out why it happens though

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 20:10

    I disappear again for a while, as well as game results I feel like writing up a few other things too. Back in a while!

  • Alianora La Canta30/05/2011 at 20:11

    I disappear again for a while, as well as game results I feel like writing up a few other things too. Back in a while!

    Have a good time!

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 20:20

    I have a big pie.

    I realised I hadn't actually eaten anything all day. Oops. Managed to bake a pizza so it's all good now :D

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:45

    My arms have died, nobody told me how much harder it is than on an outdoor track!

    Was it really bumpy?

    Not so much bumpy, but a very twisty track, no straights, and lots of oversteer so i was constantly holding the kart one way or the other

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:46

    I can find Nick?

    I want a sensible argument

    I always argue based on logic

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:47

    I can't even start an argument on twitter any more. Other than Alianora one person replied and he agreed with me.

    I would not have argued, i think pastor turned in on him

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:47

    this is why i no longer comment on sidepodcast. madness.

    Except you seem to keep on commenting. Stop it, we have a show to do.

    come back mr c!

    *waves*

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 20:48

    I always argue based on logic

    I refer the right honourable gentleman to the kettle on the fridge incident

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:49

    I refer the right honourable gentleman to the kettle on the fridge incident

    the previous arrangement was to hold it while it boiled.

    the fridge was far safer!

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 20:49

    the previous arrangement was to hold it while it boiled.

    To quote my star witness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    the fridge was far safer!

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 20:50

    the fridge was far safer!

    Head explodes

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 20:50

    Head explodes

    Or is scalded by litres of boiling water I guess....

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:52

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    its not my fault the architect was a genius who decided to put the sockets a good 3 meters away from the countertops!

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 20:52

    its not my fault the architect was a genius who decided to put the sockets a good 3 meters away from the countertops!

    Alison solved the problem is a few days.

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:54

    Alison solved the problem is a few days.

    I can solve problems too!

    since she left the router is no longer using a bicycle as a stand, but a desk!

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 20:54

    since she left the router is no longer using a bicycle as a stand, but a desk!

    Why don't you keep the bike outside?

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 20:55

    I can solve problems too!

    since she left the router is no longer using a bicycle as a stand, but a desk!

    You just copied here kettle solution

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 20:56

    How did I miss the toy tiger news story??

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 20:56

    How did I miss the toy tiger news story??

    What story?

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:57

    Why don't you keep the bike outside?

    even rust rusts outside here!

    i have decided it will live in my bedroom alcove once i have rearanged the room

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 20:57

    What story?

    Just watching HIGNFY and they were talking about it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-13486698

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:57

    You just copied here kettle solution

    the massive desk was way easier to build than the kitchen stand ;)

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 20:58

    i have decided it will live in my bedroom alcove once i have rearanged the room

    In your own bedroom?? It's better in the spare room. Also why are you not asleep?

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 20:58

    How did I miss the toy tiger news story??

    can i get a real one?

    http://www.sulekhalist.com/38/posts/21_Pets_and_Animals/228_Exotic_Animals/37194_Healthy_and_Gorgeous_Tiger_Cubs_and_Cheetah_cubs_available.html

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:01

    can i get a real one?

    Awww ♥

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:01

    Just watching HIGNFY and they were talking about it. www.bbc.co.uk/new…ampshire-13486698

    What exactly was the point of stopping the cricket game? The crowd would still have been sitting in the same place

    I saw a story a couple of days ago about a police helicopter chasing a kid who broke a greenhouse window. I think they just like playing with their helicopters

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:01

    Awww ♥

    Is that what I've got for my birthday?? :D

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:02

    the massive desk was way easier to build than the kitchen stand ;)

    Is that because Alison was not in your way?

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 21:02

    Awww ♥

    Is that what I've got for my birthday?? :D

    I take that as meaning i can get one!

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:02

    I just can't believe they scrambled armed police etc. to deal with a cuddly toy

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:02

    Is that because Alison was not in your way?

    Are you trying to cause some kind of divorce?

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:03

    Are you trying to cause some kind of divorce?

    You are not married

  • Nick30/05/2011 at 21:03

    Are you trying to cause some kind of divorce?

    You are not married

    I am going to bed whilst this is still true!

    night all!

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:04

    I am going to bed whilst this is still true!

    Hah!

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:06

    I am going to bed whilst this is still true!

    :D

    Goodnight

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:22

    Is that because Alison was not in your way?

    It's quite clear that I'm the queen of Ikea

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:23

    It's quite clear that I'm the queen of Ikea

    Really?

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:24

    Really?

    Definitely. Blue and yellow heaven.

  • Rubbergoat30/05/2011 at 21:34

    Evening. I've been a bit busy tonight making my own version of Duck Sauce's 'Barbra Streisand', inspired by Lewis Hamilton's post race interview yesterday: http://audioboo.fm/boos/372015-goatsauce-lewis-hamilton

    Hope you like it ;)

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 21:40

    Poof, that is one show recorded. Monaco is crazy to talk about.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:45

    Dario's wife on meeting his girlfriend

    http://twitter.com/AshleyJudd/status/75312265066328064

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:45

    Poof, that is one show recorded. Monaco is crazy to talk about.

    That was quick

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 21:47

    That was quick

    It didn't feel quick! :)

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:49

    It didn't feel quick! :)

    I am sure it was worth it

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 21:50

    That was quick

    Trying your best to stir up an argument today? :P

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 21:52

    Trying your best to stir up an argument today? :P

    Tried and failed earlier. This was just an opinion

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 22:02

    evening folks

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:04

    After a 4th failed attempt to run in the morning I am officially not a morning runner.

    I did manage to get out of bed though so I'm at work an hour early so I can run after work before it gets dark and still fit in a dinner with Pamela. I feel this is enough of an accomplishment.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 22:04

    So much for winning the Indy500

    http://www.indystar.com/article/20110530/SPORTS0107/110530010/

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 22:05

    After a 4th failed attempt to run in the morning I am officially not a morning runner.

    I tried running earlier, but was just embarrassed - once a cyclist, also a cyclist

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:05

    I tried running earlier, but was just embarrassed - once a cyclist, also a cyclist

    it gets easier/less embarrassing, I promise!

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:06

    I did manage to get out of bed though so I'm at work an hour early so I can run after work before it gets dark and still fit in a dinner with Pamela. I feel this is enough of an accomplishment.

    That is a good start to the day.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 22:07

    I finally decided to write this evening

    2011 Monaco Grand Prix (Rd 6, May 29th) - http://theformulaoneandmotorsportsarchive.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/2011-monaco-grand-prix-rd-6-may-29th/

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:07

    That is a good start to the day.

    It could be a good Tuesday.

  • Andy Taylor30/05/2011 at 22:08

    Evening all, how is SidePodLand today?

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:08

    After a 4th failed attempt to run in the morning I am officially not a morning runner.

    I used to run in the morning before breakfast. Hated the idea before I did it. Hated doing it to start with but ended up really enjoying it.

    #notamorningperson

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:09

    Evening all, how is SidePodLand today?

    Peaceful

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:09

    I used to run in the morning before breakfast. Hated the idea before I did it. Hated doing it to start with but ended up really enjoying it.

    maybe I'd handle a morning in the summer but it was so cold outside! So very very cold! The sun is not as up at 7am as I thought it was.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 22:10

    Evening all, how is SidePodLand today?

    Tired :)

  • Andy Taylor30/05/2011 at 22:10

    Peaceful

    Glad to hear. The rainy Bank Holiday was not so peaceful for me, sadly.

  • Leigh O'Gorman30/05/2011 at 22:11

    it gets easier/less embarrassing, I promise!

    It was no fun at all - I couldn't even argue with myself properly (long story)

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:13

    maybe I'd handle a morning in the summer but it was so cold outside! So very very cold! The sun is not as up at 7am as I thought it was.

    It doesn't get cold there. I used to do it in snow, ice and horizontal rain

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:14

    It doesn't get cold there. I used to do it in snow, ice and horizontal rain

    I'm only a tiny wee bit Scottish #cantdealwiththat

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:14

    It doesn't get cold there. I used to do it in snow, ice and horizontal rain

    You are more crazy than we thought.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 22:16

    It doesn't get cold there. I used to do it in snow, ice and horizontal rain

    Nick's neice has never even seen snow in Oz. I didn't realise it was so mild.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:16

    I'm only a tiny wee bit Scottish #cantdealwiththat

    :D

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:16

    You are more crazy than we thought.

    It was a long time ago

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:17

    Nick's neice has never even seen snow in Oz. I didn't realise it was so mild.

    Most of my Melbourne friends are like that, I didn't feel cold at all my first winter here. Stupid acclimatisation.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:17

    Nick's neice has never even seen snow in Oz. I didn't realise it was so mild.

    They have mountains with ski-ing there. Australia is where the Mediterranean is but upside down and round the other side so same kind of weather

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 22:18

    They have mountains with ski-ing there. Australia is where the Mediterranean is but upside down and round the other side so same kind of weather

    Well apparently you don't really get snow in Queensland. She was looking at the snow in Dubai as she'd never seen it before. Most bizarre.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:22

    Well apparently you don't really get snow in Queensland. She was looking at the snow in Dubai as she'd never seen it before. Most bizarre.

    I can't imagine never having seen snow.

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:23

    I can't imagine never having seen snow.

    I could certainly live without it though.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 22:24

    I can't imagine never having seen snow.

    She's only about 4 :P But yeah. I couldn't believe they don't get snow. Madness.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:24

    I could certainly live without it though.

    You don't really get much anyway. It's a very long time since we had deep snow. I can remember wading home through snow up to my waist but that was a long time ago

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:26

    You don't really get much anyway. It's a very long time since we had deep snow. I can remember wading home through snow up to my waist but that was a long time ago

    I would definitely move. The snow we have once a year is irritating enough.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 22:26

    You don't really get much anyway. It's a very long time since we had deep snow. I can remember wading home through snow up to my waist but that was a long time ago

    Errrm about 5 months? Is that what passes for a long time these days?

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:27

    I would definitely move. The snow we have once a year is irritating enough.

    Snow must be good for podcasting though because it is always quieter outside when it snows

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:27

    Snow must be good for podcasting though because it is always quieter outside when it snows

    Depends if you take into account all those cars crashing!

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:29

    Depends if you take into account all those cars crashing!

    You need more snow then so that it is too deep for cars at all

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:30

    You need more snow then so that it is too deep for cars at all

    Antarctic here we come.

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:30

    I can't imagine never having seen snow.

    its like the people who have never seen the sea. I've lived in three different towns but I've never not lived on the coast.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:30

    Antarctic here we come.

    Bunker in the Antarctic

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 22:31

    its like the people who have never seen the sea. I've lived in three different towns but I've never not lived on the coast.

    How can anyone not have seen the sea!?

  • Soeren30/05/2011 at 22:32

    Hi Christine & Mr. C, I don't want to sound pushy, but when's the debrief coming? And do you already have a date with Joe for the next Aside? Thank you thank you thank you for producing these shows, they'll be the highlights of my week.

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:32

    How can anyone not have seen the sea!?

    because some countries are quite large land masses?

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:32

    Hi Christine & Mr. C, I don't want to sound pushy, but when's the debrief coming? And do you already have a date with Joe for the next Aside? Thank you thank you thank you for producing these shows, they'll be the highlights of my week.

    I am just editing the debrief as we speak.

    Not sure about Joe, but we anticipate something before Canada.

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 22:35

    because some countries are quite large land masses?

    Heh. It's easy to see the sea when you are surrounded by it. I imagine somewhere like Russia is a different story.

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:37

    Heh. It's easy to see the sea when you are surrounded by it. I imagine somewhere like Russia is a different story.

    :D

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 22:37

    its like the people who have never seen the sea. I've lived in three different towns but I've never not lived on the coast.

    Can't imagine living further than 20 miles from a coast and even that was uncomfortably landlocked.

  • Alison30/05/2011 at 22:38

    Can't imagine living further than 20 miles from a coast and even that was uncomfortably landlocked.

    I'm on the coast atm. It's flipping windy!

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:39

    Can't imagine living further than 20 miles from a coast and even that was uncomfortably landlocked.

    theres not too many countries in the world like the UK and NZ that are quite narrow and surrounded by it though

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 22:43

    I'm on the coast atm. It's flipping windy!

    Fine here

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:44

    Can't imagine living further than 20 miles from a coast and even that was uncomfortably landlocked.

    I lived in Paris for a year and every few weeks I drove to the coast just to watch the sea

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:44

    theres not too many countries in the world like the UK and NZ that are quite narrow and surrounded by it though

    It's hard to avoid it in Scotland where nowhere is 40 miles from the coast

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:46

    It's hard to avoid it in Scotland where nowhere is 40 miles from the coast

    one of my favourite towns in NZ is smack bang in the middle of the country, I'm assuming I could live there though simply because they have an absolutely gorgeous massive lake.

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:47

    one of my favourite towns in NZ is smack bang in the middle of the country, I'm assuming I could live there though simply because they have an absolutely gorgeous massive lake.

    But it doesn't have waves to watch

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 22:47

    Manics gig ping - http://thoughtsofpat.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/manic-street-preachers-cardiff-cia-21-may-2011/

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:47

    But it doesn't have waves to watch

    it has tiny little ones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lake_Wanaka_2005-08.jpg

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:49

    it has tiny little ones en.wikipedia.org/…anaka_2005-08.jpg

    You need bigger waves though

  • Amy30/05/2011 at 22:50

    You need bigger waves though

    I don't know if its the waves I like about the sea, I just like the bigness of water :)

  • Pat W30/05/2011 at 22:50

    it has tiny little ones en.wikipedia.org/…anaka_2005-08.jpg

    Not too big not too small

  • Steven Roy30/05/2011 at 22:53

    I don't know if its the waves I like about the sea, I just like the bigness of water :)

    The bigness helps too

  • Christine30/05/2011 at 23:09

    Fab new daily: http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-31st-may-2011

  • Journeyer31/05/2011 at 01:03

    The moves were more similar than I thought. I thought he was a lot further behind Maldonado than Schumacher when really there was not a lot of difference. I still don't think Maldonado was at fault for the crash though

    Maldonado turned in a touch earlier than Schumacher. It was still up to Lewis to pull out, IMO, if he saw Maldonado wasn't going to give him room.

  • Journeyer31/05/2011 at 01:05

    you're playing with fire, Roy

    I haven't stirred things up for a while. I am due a little fun

    :D

  • Journeyer31/05/2011 at 01:05

    Wrong move Alia. This is about Lewis passing Schumacher at Ste Devote just like he tried to pass Maldonado

    Those two were in too many moves together yesterday...

    Catching up for those 3 years they didn't race each other while MSC was having his sabbatical. :D

  • Journeyer31/05/2011 at 01:07

    Love the last story of Paddock Life this week: plus.autosport.co…scenes-at-monaco/

    Cheeky Heidfeld.

    WIN!

  • Journeyer31/05/2011 at 01:08

    I can't even start an argument on twitter any more. Other than Alianora one person replied and he agreed with me.

    #failure

    :D