So there it was, the Monaco Grand Prix in all it's finery. What did you make of it? We've got all the coverage here on Sidepodcast, but equally, if you're ready to let us know what you thought about the race, then why not drop us a voicemail? We're recording the show this evening so you still have plenty of time. 0121 28 87225 is the number you'll need, or if you're just a bit too shy (don't be) then [email protected] is the email for more wordy items.
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Kamui on his way to fifth place in Monaco
Everything has to be about Monaco, really. We've got the race highlights and an F1 Minute - which, if I say so myself, is quite a masterpiece in picking out the salient points of a race and squeezing into a ridiculous time limit. I do not recommend anyone try this. It was quite stressful.
There's more data than you can shake a stick at over on the F1 Data Junkie blog, and it's all fascinating stuff. From an analysis of the race specifically from Button's point of view, to fuel corrected lap times in Free Practice. There's plenty to peruse and plenty of pretty graphs to ogle.
This weekend, Williams finally picked up their first points, thanks to Rubens Barrichello crossing the line within the top ten. Pastor Maldonado was also looking to finish strongly, until Lewis Hamilton got involved. The less said about the better, I feel. Über-Rubens fan Lukeh wrote up his thoughts after the race, with some high scoring for his race analysis.
And of course, given that Monday dailies are the spiritual home of our very own RG, it would be remiss of me not to mention the excellent job that Kobayashi did in the race, finishing fifth. As the man says:
I don't think I've mentioned enough that Kobi finished 5th today. 5th! A low-end midfield team doesn't finish 5th.
SauberRG
A fabulous end to a difficult weekend for the team.
Hello Monday... and a holiday no less
Hello Monday, sadly already in the office.
On that note, work to do :)
Morning all,
I do not get Racecar Engineering's Twitter comments about Lewis. Apparently Lewis was justified (what nonsense....)
Morning!
Agreed. This afternoon reminded me why I dislike him. However, I'm too tired to expound on his many failings, so I'll leave you all in peace. G'night!
Hello new daily! Fabulous stuff from Christine :)
One quick thought about Lewis that has just come to mind - what about countries, audiences and audience fanbases of Lewis that have never heard of Ali G? One ponders what they will have thought of that comment.
To be honest, I didn't think anything of his "black" comment. What he said before that was more offensive.
Good point, such a lack of respect for his fellow competitors especially calling them stupid.
I was just intrigued with the initial reaction on twitter where people weren't quite sure what to make of it. Imagine if you were a big Lewis fan and looked up to him only to not get 'the joke'.
Hello all, jut finished watching race. Vettel is a lucky lucky so and so.
I'm not sure he was justified in certain elements of the comments
But certainly he should give his own opinion on the incidents, kind of irrelevant if he's wrong, that's still his view. I don't think he'd give the same answer, either, if he'd had chance to watch them again in a calmer mood.
An Italian journalist has just asked me who Ali G is. His faced looked quite blank when I mentioned 'booyakasha'
https://twitter.com/#!/NobleF1/status/74882460093124608
exactly - that made me swear at the telly
Hopefully not the way Luca di-Montezemolo swears at his....
woh!!! if only pippa was eligible for points
probably worse actually
wow! just,.........wow!
Anyway folks,
I'll do my Monaco and Indy 500 posts tomorrow - right now, I need bed.
Good night
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- Daily: 30th May 2011
- Monaco 2011 - Team standings
- Monaco 2011 - Driver standings
- 2011 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race
- Monaco 2011 - Race highlights
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WOW. Coca-Cola 600 finish is CRAZY!
Leader into the last turn of the last lap doesn't win. AGAIN.
Loved the race! Officially tired of Vettel now. Kobayashi is an animal and I can't wait to see him in Montreal in 2 weeks! Jensen and Alonso were looking so promising before the red flag! Most exciting Monaco I can remember since they had to take their hands off the wheel to shift. What did Lewis just say...Oh my. Wow! I'm packing for Canada now.
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 30th May 2011
- Monaco 2011 - Team standings
- Monaco 2011 - Driver standings
- 2011 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race
- Monaco 2011 - Race highlights
Catching up on non-racing sports this morning.
FIFA is a total mess right now. Makes the whole FIA/breakaway drama we had in 2009 seem like a walk in the park...
Morning.
I was very offended by his actions on and off the track. He was arrogant and stupid and I think he's hit a low point.
Pippa Mann is awesome. Someone sponsor her so she can keep her drive!
Agreed. I think she'll get a lot more attention after Danica goes NASCAR.
You and I both. Was talking to my F1-watching officemates this morning, and we all agree that he's hit a very bad low. Not sure if this has anything to do with Lewis changing managers from Anthony to Simon Fuller. Regardless, Simon has a lot of work on his hands now - if he cares, that is.
Just reading that. I'm really not a fan of the way football has been run, but that looks like they cleared out some dead wood in order to keep Sepp in charge!
But isn't Sepp dead wood himself? This is an organization that could really do with a total sweep and an open election for all posts.
But he's the boss. And he's managed to suspend two of his biggest rivals. If indeed they are not just shills for him.
This would make for a very good book if ever the whole story comes out, which it probably won't...
Just watched the lewis interview again.
I think that was a very leading question from lee. not really sure how he was supposed to answer it without being contraversial.
seeing how worked up he was i dont think it was very fair
I'd agree to a certain extent that it was a leading question, but he could've just said that they think he's too aggressive or that he just takes more risks than other drivers do.
This reminds me of the work Joe's been doing for the FIA Institute. I remember him saying in an Aside that he would occasionally throw in tricky questions (which I think would be similar in nature to this) to see if drivers take the bait and fall into the trap. He specifically wanted to help such drivers avoid this kind of trouble. At this point in his career, Lewis should be much better at handling these types of questions.
He was very worked up, at that point your not thinking about media training, just the red mist.
She went for it. It will be interesting to see how the other drivers deal with her after this. I dont think it will be as friendly.
We always complain Lee doesn't seem to ask the tough questions though. I can't watch the clip again now (unless you have a YouTube link) but I think she didn't do anything wrong.
Hamilton may have had the red mist but he also stopped to think about what he said...
As Schumacher always says, "I think he has yet to watch the tape of what just happened." I'm perfectly fine with his expressing frustration at the stewards, I take no offense there. It's a perfectly logical question. But as Martin tweeted, "He's played a card I never thought he would use."
It'll be fine. Work is work, and she is still working for the top English-speaking broadcast in the sport.
Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD8T8_JR4Mw
You ledge.
When she first joined the bbc i remember her blogging about how she had a bad relationship with him.
I would be suprised if he just skips her in the pen and goes to jake & co
Morning folks
Have to say, I don't see Lee's leading question - Lewis left the door wide open for her.
Must be something between MacKenzie and McLaren. I remember his dad's bet in 2004. :D
She said later on that he normally ignores her in the pen anyway.
Agreed. He doesn't seem rash or angry at all to me. I think he meant to say what he did.
Hamilton always comes across a bit too much like Ricky Bobby - he's a driver not a thinker!
EJ would ask him the tough questions anyway.
"If you're not first, you're last!"
I don't see why what he said was such a big deal tbh....
:D
I'd a big problem with what he said. He causes accidents and jumps chicanes and then blames everyone else. Not on, just not on.
Its racing not ballet dancing!
Yes, but he needs to understand that if he screws up, it's his fault and not everyone else's
I have a biog problem with what he said (the whole interview, TBH), his attitude on and off the track and towards the stewards and other drivers.
The problem is now, drivers being passed can just turn in on the car going past them and get the place back when they get a penalty?
I expect someone to have a go at that in canada
this is the issue - hamilton was nowhere near passing either massa or maldonado. the moves hamilton was trying would barely be credible for midfield gp2 talent
Exactly. If you're side by side with a car, you'd have thought you have a responsibility not to turn in on them.
Thing is in Monaco that all the penalised incidents adversely affected the guy turning in.
shame hamilton wasn't side-by-side
Complaining about other drivers is nothing new. It won't make him popular at the GPDA meetings, though.
Except Hamilton wasn't side by side either time and neither was di Resta.
I've only seen it once but I think the Maldonado one in particular, didn't have to end in an accident.
Bingo.
Oh christ haha. Someone sprayed a can of red mist down the pitlane clearly.
I'm really annoyed with him.
See, I find Vettel irritating because he wins a lot and because of the finger, but he's a nice guy in interviews and that moment when he sprayed the champers over the policeman made us laugh so much...
lewis was over the kerbs, partially off the track and pummelled into the side of the williams -easily avoidbale
I think it's a Monaco thing though. Too tight to pass and all that.
Random thought: I'm happy that in all of the criticism directed at Hamilton, they've told him to look at Michael Schumacher's race as a good example. Know when to attack, know when to hold back. It's a good sign that Michael's racing skills have improved considerably as of late (much better than anything I can remember from him in ages).
Schumi had one move which was a bit too forceful but he did have a good race. I was actually cheering for him at one point because some of his moves were great to watch.
lewis' defense to that was he did that just to avoid a collision, but they collided anyway.
Aye - thought Michael was doing alright until his retirement. Wrecked tyres and a long stop to change his nose cost him big on lap 13
Hahaha Shumi pulled a near identical chance move (at the same place?) and it was only Rosberg being awake and alert that stopped them having a smash.
Heck, Mr C was cheering for him - twice! That was a bizarre moment for me.
Mind you, I think he's the ONLY driver that pulled off any of his passes there.
I don't buy that at all. Lewis went in far too deep, off the track and hit Pastor, taking him clean out of the race.
Twice !!
Again, bingo.
Me neither - he should have backed out of it and tried to run down the pitlane instead.
Because the car he was passing, saw him and took a different line. If you think it's your responsibility to do that, then I think it changes how you look on overtaking.
But with all that carnage at the end, he still could've scored a few points. By the time he retired, he had an airbox fire AND potentially damaged front suspension. Luck just wasn't with him today.
Was it him that was slow slow at the start?
Hmmm. Should probably take a look at Schumacher's pass on Hamilton and Hamilton's pass on Massa and try to compare them. When did they commit to the pass and when did the guy in front turn in?
Yup, that was him. My heart sank when I saw it. He was all I was looking at on Lap 1, really.
I think Massa was trying to avoid Webber at the hairpin.
For example, when Shumi took Rosberg. That was clearly only not an accident because Rosberg couldn't face explaining to the team what had happened. He got out the way and left enough room at the corner.
Was that pass shown on TV? I didn't see it.
Can't think where else I'd have seen it tbh....
yep - can't remember what lap though
Why should the driver in front leap out of the way if he has the racing line and he's ahead though?
You then get into the situation like in Indycar where they have racing lanes and passing lanes...
You shouldn't exactly. So he shouldn't have gone through. As I said, it only worked because it was his team mate and he was paying attention to his mirrors.
Yep agreed. Rosberg knew better I suppose. But seeing as people are complaining that the DRS makes it difficult to defend an overtaking move, I think the system as we saw it yesterday with a driver defending his position being the innocent party may be the more popular one.
Here's Schumacher's pass on Hamilton on Lap 1 (0:44): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2_8mu-_Hxs
And here's Hamilton's pass on Massa later on (0:02): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XizXIBZIf9w
At that point, Schumacher was already side-by-side with Hamilton in the former, while Hamilton was not quite there yet in the latter.
The key point in the latter video is that Hamilton had indeed started his attempt on Massa early enough, but didn't see Webber braking earlier to avoid hitting Buemi. That in turn forced Massa to turn in earlier to avoid hitting Webber. Had Hamilton backed out of his move and let Massa sort it out on his own with Webber, it would've been Massa up on the kerb to avoid Webber. That would've probably meant Lewis being able to pass him round the outside. As things turned out, Lewis was already on the kerb and Massa had nowhere to go.
It will discourage people trying to overtake outside the drs zones though which is a shame
Even more so now that there will be two of them from Canada on.
Aye - Hamilton did need to be much further alongside to pull it off.
I'm surprised Hamilton didn't blame Buemi for making him crash into Massa
;)
:D
@adamcooperf1: #F1 Re Lewis apology, McLaren press release said he 'chose' to go and see stewards, other sources said he was requested.
Webber not happy, I don't think:
I'm going to trust McLaren and believe it was his own decision. More likely, the stewards asked if he wanted to talk things over (you know, those implicit suggestions), and Lewis said yes.
That means Lewis has been to the stewards 6 times in 6 races now. :D
7 in 6 as he went twice on sunday and once post quali
Had things stayed as they were, not only would he have gotten Kobayashi for 4th, he could've also gotten a podium (with any permutation of Vettel-Alonso-Button pitting or crashing). Dark horse for the win, as well.
Thrice in 2 days! Thrice!
I'm not a gambler at all, but lucky those who put money on Wheldon. Commiserations to those that backed JR
I like that the Daily makes it sound like RG is haunting Monday's Daily :)
This comes with a strong language warning, so i wont post it here but jalopnik have a transcript of some of kimis radio from saturday. its quite funny
Made me laugh. :D Now I wish they featured more team radio back when Kimi was in F1...
he always had the best.
"Don't talk to me in the corners"
He seems to have become a bit less polite now :)
although the sentiment remains:
"Don't talk about other things on the radio"
Richard branson has the worlds biggest hand http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/114921336/Getty-Images-Sport
So yesterday when the BBC team were at the Red Bull Energy Station, they played a song which is also here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUaWPNBCvxU
Could someone please tell me what song is it?
barbara streisand
by duck sauce.
Oh dear. That song is traumatic for me.
Looks right.
Awesome. Cheers Amy!
Sorry! It's been driving me mad for weeks!
Yes, it does that
its rare that I know things about music that is newer than the 90s :D
If you go to http://gobarbra.com/ you can make your own version of it, like this http://audioboo.fm/boos/288295-do-i-have-an-ego
*runs away quickly*
Nick and I went to some Rugby last December and it was like their song of the tournament. I've never heard so much ooooh in my life.
And it's a very good beat, too!
:D Have you ever watched a darts game? :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqp54_zIBTk
Different song, but works the same way. I like it too. :D
Taken from a Boney M track
http://youtu.be/BekOD-IBblI
Which in turn was from a song by Nighttrain
http://youtu.be/EcXiMQ0J2So
Tsk tsk, McLaren. Tsk tsk.
http://twitter.com/#!/adamcooperf1/status/75122232938074112
Amazon for some reason has just suggested a Bieber DVD to me... Makes me wonder what I've been looking at...
Novak Djokovic's next opponent has just pulled out with an injury so he needs to wait another round to continue trying to build on his record.
liars liars pants on fire!
mmm.. what do you want for birthday?
Would that cover it?
Better get 2 just to make sure
Bit late now!!! :D
Does that mean ive gotten away with it?
Good to hear that Pirelli want the red flag rules changed with tyres
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91893
Considering the restart shouldn't even have happened...
No!
Mind == Blown. Gonna have to blog about this later!
Says who? Joe linked to the rules yesterday and it was pretty clear they could have?
I don't see why not, unless you refer to the 75% race distance rule thing. I didn't have a problem with the restart, it was just the rules that made it completely pointless and now I think they realise that they need to be changed
Hello. Great viewing figures tweeted by Jake just now:
4 million #bbcf1 viewers on Saturday and over 6 million yesterday!
I had two issues:
1) Why they were allowed to fix and change tyres - why not put them in parc ferme conditions?
2) I had to leave at 4:30 so it cut things pretty close!
This is why us fans need the number of Charlie Whiting, so we can give him a ring and let him know about such situations :)
Ok,
done
Listen to the boo - startledbunny, that's ace!
Ooooh Li Na won in the tennis, I remember from the Australian open final :)
Wha?
Here's mine: http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-e345d898818bfef802bec1e0376f36b9
Heheh!
Someone needs to take the soundbites from his interview and make a Duck sauce remix!
I think I may have a way how...
Article 43.2 of the Sporting Regulations - at least if "red flag" means "abort", as I'd always been led to believe. Aborting that late means the end-of-race signal's been invoked, otherwise the last time a red flag was waved at the end of the race (Brazil 2003) had completely the wrong procedure applied to it (certain elements of the stoppage procedure were different then, but none that affect the question of stoppage).
Ted says there were no issues with the race being resumed after the red flags were removed.
That is exactly what I'm referring to. Anyhow, if there'd been less than 75% of the race done, there'd have been a point to tyre-swapping. It's not like the tyre-change rule can be safely changed because of the possibility of punctures acquired through having to drive through an accident zone.
The regulations don't agree with Ted or Joe.
Ted says that the 75% mark only referred to points given out, and is not a factor in deciding if the race should still go ahead or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROz1dJRR6U
Give drivers the option of going into the pits rather than the red flag grid. they start at the back if they pit
exception to tire changing rule if FIA declares a change in weather conditions during red flag period
IMO, the only reason Brazil 2003 was not resumed was because there was so much standing water on track, and it wasn't safe to continue.
This is actually a fantastic idea. They can pit, but they have to go to the back of the SC queue - in yesterday's case, that wouldn't have been the end of the world for Hamilton's race.
The "fix" one is debatable, especially since there is provision for using the pit lane (with a 10-second time penalty) if major repairs are needed. The tyres one has to be allowed for safety reasons.
Article 41.1 says 'suspended' rather than aborted
Well clearly they successfully made those repairs on the grid so why would they need to go into the pits?
They have the option already. It costs them 10 seconds of time, which is already sufficient deterrent (and even if fixing cars had been banned, the only person likely to have opted for the pits was Hamilton - the others would simply have stuck to their previous strategies and most likely had the exact same result).
We're talking about this being an option if working on the car on the grid in a red flag period is banned.
There's a small prequel to the mid-season finale for Dr Who on Saturday if anyone is interested:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h74x2
Why would you ban it though? Stopping the cars like that means you need to intervene or they're going to damage themselves right?
There was less standing water on the track at the end than at any other part of that race - it stopped raining in the middle and didn't resume. That was why everyone on Bridgestones suddenly found themselves able to catch and pass people on Michelins.
If there had been any call for stoppage, it would have been barrier-related, but there were 29 minutes of race time to go and stoppage time didn't count towards the two hours, as demonstrated in Nurburgring 2007 (which would have stopped purely on time about 11 laps early had stoppage time been counted).
I dont think there is a problem with people working on/attending to the cars as long as the tires stay on.
For example they had to restart the race because of a collison into turn 1, you would let them replace nosecones?
But that's a restart, which is fundamentally different. In a restart, it's as if the failed start didn't happen.
http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-882c5267ee9270a054b4420397e51995
I dont see a difference.
Replacing damaged parts is quite different to refueling or swapping tires imo
Martin Brundle
Oh wow.
Except you're sat in the same car with the same smashed up parts.
Awww! Wish I could listen to it.
Kill me.
Yup. If you notice, we don't get restarts anymore. Rarely, if at all. One reason is we don't have spare cars anymore that drivers can use if they smash up the last one.
Less sand/gravel traps at turn one helps as well
Turns out that although the whole "Case A/B/C" business has been removed from the F1 regulations, it's still in the International Sporting Code (Article 18) - and unlike what the F1 version used to say, its Case C absolutely bars restart after the 75% mark. Since the F1 version in 2003 didn't compel non-restart in Case C, presumably the International Sporting Code Article 18 must have been invoked in Brazil 2003... ...which given the lack of superseding regulation in the F1 Sporting Code, means that must still be in effect in this situation.
(I have to admit I thought the F1 regulations themselves required a stop in the case of a 75% red-flag scenario. Hence why it's taken me this long to look at the ISC for position testing).
Two versions :)
http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-cf3326d7d03b3b045610a495b7b2c1e3
http://gobarbra.com/hit/new-e9a36e30b93b6da11c9f2c7f8aa3c5cb
Heeeeeeeehehehhe.
I've never seen a big big smush on the first lap though. I guess there's not been a scenario it'd be helpful recently.
I remember the 1995 start, where the Ferraris of Alesi and Berger ran into each other after DC in the Williams damaged their cars. Ferrari had TWO spare cars that day - just because it was Monaco. The rules have been changed since then, though.
The ban would be to ensure that cars restart in broadly the condition they stopped in. If they were in danger, they could repair in the pits but take a penalty for doing so.
The first time this new rule was applied was in 2002, in time for the first race in Australia. A huge smash-up eliminated something like 10 cars, and the track was a mess. But they decided to let the field run behind the SC.
Why should you take a penalty? Surely having to start from the pitlane is more than enough. It makes you plumb last.
Interestingly, F1 used to treat those two scenarios as fundamentally different (Case A for a restart was basically "repeat the start procedure from the 10-minute mark" and Case B was what we saw yesterday), but has stopped doing so, perhaps due to the complexity.
If you were already at the back of the queue, and you just catch up to the end of the Safety Car queue after your stop, that's a zero penalty.
There's also a system for continuing the race if someone stalls or has a mechanical failure on the grid - which itself has become less necessary as the reliability of drivers and cars has increased.
And? That's how you treat accident damage while the race is running.
Precisely. That's the penalty ;)
But your last! Whats the point of a further penalty!
Exactly. That's why Sutil managed to come out of his pitstop to replace the wheel he lost bashing the wall yesterday losing the grand total of one position.
Yes so what on earth is the point of a time penalty. I don't particularly see anything wrong with wing repairs on the grid though tbh...
Because you're not necessarily last - just the last guy on the lead lap. If you're 2nd and at the back of the queue - even if you pit, you'd still come out 2nd.
In case you get benefit from any new things you got while in the pits.
I didn't until they were still doing them with less than a minute to go. I'd prefer them to more precisely replicate a start procedure (tyre heaters off 2 minutes before, non-essential staff off the grid by the same point repair work to cars complete by the same stage). Otherwise it's a bit risky to whichever staff end up doing the repair work if they discover that the job can't be done in the 30-second limit.
I think repairs are fine.
What if someone hits you and its not your fault.
Tires, brakes and fluids should remain untouched
oh...
All i can say to that is
"If you're not first, you're last"
Second time that's been mentioned in today's daily. :D
Tyres are the most likely part of the car to be damaged through actions that are not your fault (arguably, that's why we're even debating all this today, for it was a damaged tyre on Sutil's car that triggered those around him into causing the collisions).
Meh. I just question the relevance of a fixed time penalty.
Adding time to someone who's last on the same lap is not going to change anyone's race unless they gain an improvement to their performance relative to others on the same lap. I suppose that penalty ensures if you're genuinely only making the car as fast, on average, as it was before the stoppage then it makes no difference. It merely prevents abuse of the facility.
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- 2011 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race
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More FIFA news - with the best quote EVER:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13592684.stm
Aeroplane plank
http://plankingeverywhere.tumblr.com/post/5751049514/mile-high-plank
Not been straight forward for Nadal in the French Open, he's a set up but Ljubicic is giving him a game...
I hope its monopoly, that will keep him busy for the rest of the match.
Tactical move there ;)
Ted video news - http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13588819.stm
Warner's been on the take for years though - a very shady character!
And the non-UK link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROz1dJRR6U
Valcke has confirmed the email legit, though. Which implicitly means he IS publicly accusing bin Hammam of buying the 2022 WC for Qatar.
This is beyond insane.
It's about time this happened. Football is just too greedy and corrupt now.
Did anyone really think they got it for being anything other than really rich?
I mean if you are going to have it in this region the UAE would make way more sense, not having a multi city event in a country with one main city!
But, boy, this is some way to go. It's a total meltdown. People are saying Blatter will find a way to hang on, but how much more of this can he survive?
Hahaha! Very true. But for someone in FIFA to acknowledge it - even if only implicitly - outside of an official investigation - that's something else.
What does it matter? It's all quite clearly very corrupt and no-one seems to have been motivated to do anything about it up to this point....
Nobody really can, because they get alienated too easily. It's just like the FIA in that regard.
Then again, who can? Only the Swiss can intervene. And so far, they haven't shown any inclination to. No surprise, there - we've seen a similar response with the FIA.
The only other stakeholders that can sway this are the FAs. There has been talk of a breakaway from FIFA (sounds familiar?) But how can we be certain they're not corrupt too?
Surprisingly, it was Mosley's anointed successor who sorted things out at the FIA. Not sure we can expect a similar miracle at FIFA.
Still, I don't think what's happened at the FIA was supposed to. Why else would Bernie be unhappy?
Exactly why it's a surprise - because, honestly, no one expected it.
What has happened at the FIA?
There's been a lot less political intervention in their motorsports, and given them a lot more autonomy in how they run things.
That said, I suddenly remembered the Bahrain decision on Friday - so my view on this can yet change.
Have they decided what to do yet=?
I see. They do seem to love the boys in red. Was anything ever said about that unsafe release?
Unless they came to any agreement at Monaco, I don't think so. FOTA doesn't have a single position, either, as Ferrari have already publicly said they want to go back. Mumtalakat's stake in McLaren has put the Woking team in a bit of a jam, as well.
Not that I remember.
They've started to do things with aims other than outright power-grabbing at all costs.
Ferrari didn't say "this year"...
They carefully just said that they want to go back...
They also said it would be difficult this year and the teams would have to look closely at any proposals...
The decision (or postponement) is due on June 3.
It's a way to cover both outcomes, but will they come out and say not to go back this year?
They are sitting on the fence along with all the other teams whilst saying that they want to go to Bahrain for a long, long time and for that it may be better to do it next year...
I think Andy Murray might be up next.
Oh no, ladies up first.
As it is, though, their silence is deafening. They'll share some of the blame in my eyes if we do end up going back there.
Saw the whole mess Pitpass made this morning. They're hilarious - they deleted the article, but not the tweet pointing to it. :D
Shocking that they're GAINING followers today, though.
I'm hungryyyy. Might buy a pizza. Mmmmm
Quite stunned to see that my FantasyRacers team is doing well. In position 354 overall. Finally a decent showing in my 3rd year of trying.
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/tweets-of-the-week-three-cheers-for-pastor
Heh. I'm amused that I'm in the SPC Top 10! Did you join the SPC league?
No, was limited to two leagues. I joined the Candid8 league (they're offering a Silverstone package to the winner) and the US league.
Wow, that's impressive. No surprise, then, that they lead the leagues.
A friend of a friend (he's an ER doctor in Chicago) is doing an interesting podcast, though a bit grim perhaps. He and his co-producer are focusing on obituaries of recently deceased people who led interesting lives.
Remembering the Passed
Murray time now.
Although probably not for long. Silly ankle.
Ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/sergio-prez-and-vitaly-petrov-in-recovery-after-monaco-accidents
Enjoy a little something from the sidepodcast.com back catalogue.
- Flying the Coop
Originally published 12/12/2007
I'm 4th overall of all the fantasy WRC folks, not in a league though for either WRC or F1. Something like 1100 overall in F1.
Haven't touched either team since I created them, though :)
Wowsers, F1Minute has changed.
Hi All,
Just been watching the forum from Monaco race. Has anything been made of the piece of material that nearly hit Petrov in the head ? about 37min:13sec on the forum (view from Petrov's T bar cam). it looks like it gets flicked up from the car two in front and goes above Petrov's left rear view mirror. or I'm seeing things. I think he was lucky.
I have just been indoor go karting.
My arms have died, nobody told me how much harder it is than on an outdoor track!
Looking at it now. Are you referring to the red piece of carbon-fibre? That came from his own front wing left-side endplate. Given the low speed of the crash, I don't think it would've troubled him.
OH. I see it now, WAY earlier in the vid. Lemme check it again.
yeah think it flicks up from the right rear of a car maybe two in front. I could do a screen capture? It hits just behind the left part of the car, then bounces slightly to the right before disappearing. i don't think it hit him but I'm just concerned as to what it was and how close it was.
By all means do. It would be good if you could also capture the frames before that.
I can't even see where it comes from - it wasn't on the track prior to that, so it probably fell off another car.
I can try. just not sure where I can post it - I"m not on twitter etc. It's as one of the commentators says "unless there was something else there". any ideas where I can post?
Imageshack should work for you, I guess.
okay. it'll take me five minutes to copy, paste, etc. standby...
still fiddling. going to see if I can make a slow-mo video which will make it easier to pause etc.
Ooooh, yes, please. :D
pressing play, then restart isn't fast enough. I have nice audio editing but not video gear but VLC might do it.
No worries. I might sleep in a bit. In case I don't see your video before then, I'm sure I'll see it tonight your time. :)
So here are five screen captures of an object that appeared on replays before Petrov crashed, and probably off Sutils car
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/52/371302.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/371302b.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/371303beforemirror.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/709/371303nearmirror.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/371303nearmirror2.png/
no worries. if it doesn't happen straight away, might not happen at all!
Loading them now. :)
Wow - you're a legend. You captured the split-second it was on track before Lewis' Macca threw it back in the air.
That said, carbon-fibre is a lot lighter than a spring, and helmets have been toughened up since Massa's accident. Had it hit Petrov, he may have also ended up crashing with such a distraction. But I think he'd walk away uninjured.
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Tweets of the Week - Three cheers for Pastor
- Daily: 30th May 2011
- Monaco 2011 - Team standings
- Monaco 2011 - Driver standings
- 2011 Indianapolis 500 Mile Race
well goll-ee. thanks.
Yeah I wasn't sure what it was or if I saw something. I agree with you that it was carbon fibre but whoa....lucky boy. figured someone else would have seen it? I don't think I'll do a video or something - F1 people don't seem to like that. besides, I don't know how to ;)
A super-slomo would escape the YouTube hunters because it won't match their feed output. Not to mention you found something new.
Anyway, off to bed. G'night!
goodnight
A tweet from @jonathandavey: Comparison of Hamilton's overtake on Schumacher and the Maldonado crash: http://bit.ly/m0dPJx
Evening
The moves were more similar than I thought. I thought he was a lot further behind Maldonado than Schumacher when really there was not a lot of difference. I still don't think Maldonado was at fault for the crash though
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYiNKYaviZI
The Schumacher one only worked because Hamilton was seemingly asleep - a "willing partner", as Martin Brundle correctly pointed out was necessary for a hairpin pass to work. Maldonado was not willing...
Hang on a minute. Didn't spot it at the time but how many moves did Maldonado make there? That is blocking and he should have received a penalty for that.
Wrong move Alia. This is about Lewis passing Schumacher at Ste Devote just like he tried to pass Maldonado
Woah. Now you mention it, loads!
Decided to stir it up on twitter. I assume some people will assume I am serious and let themselves get very wound up. :)
you're playing with fire, Roy
Love the last story of Paddock Life this week: http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/3555/behind-the-scenes-at-monaco/
Cheeky Heidfeld.
I haven't stirred things up for a while. I am due a little fun
Those two were in too many moves together yesterday...
Just started reading through that and I forgot about the new surface at Ste Devote after the truck fire. Awesome job by whoever laid it. Not a single problem with it over the whole weekend even though cars were braking and turning in on it. Quite incredible.
I'm doing appallingly. I believe my team is around 97th in the Sidepodcast league, and that's my second-best team of the five!
The first time I did indoor karting, my armpits hurt a lot for some reason...
I thought he was such a quiet boy.
I had no idea about DC's incident with the paprazzi
Was it really bumpy?
THe only pain I have ever had is either bruising on my back from the seat or on knees from bashing them of the steering column
Probably because nobody knew Pitpass had a Twitter stream until Will Buxton said to direct our complaints there.
The trouble is that if they do anything that could be perceived as sabotaging the return to Bahrain this year, they could all be done under 151c. This way, they get to keep safe until it becomes necessary to use more than the odd disapproving hints they've given so far.
Just saw Jake tweet about his latest blog entry. Somehow he avoided being thrown in the pool after the race
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2011/05/glamour_and_controversy_in_mon.html
He'd already been in, going in again would just be greedy :)
Evening guys
I was sure that after EJ had been in 3 times and DC was dragged in screaming like a girl that those two would have thrown Jake in
Maybe they reasoned that they needed one BBC presenter to be dry enough to hold microphones otherwise they might be in a spot of bother with their bosses...
I can't even start an argument on twitter any more. Other than Alianora one person replied and he agreed with me.
#failure
Hehehe.
I can find Nick?
Mr C has another view: http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/on-why-its-all-sutils-fault
I want a sensible argument
Hey, dont be upset Steven. I ABSOLUTELY agree with you :D, but nowadays is little bit dangerous to say something in Hamilton´s favor in public.
Sutil had no choice. He either had to rejoin the track or run into the wall. But that was definitely the incident that caused all the problems. I still don't understand why they changed the red flag rules to let them work on cars. A red flag should me the race is neutralised not that there is a 20 minute pit stop.
If he had damage he could've moved to the right and not entered the chicane until the traffic had passed. He had time.
I thought adding the hashtags may still some people up. I simply do not understand how the stewards could have reviewed the incident and not noticed all the weaving. Of course it would be the one occasion the BBC did not have a word with the driver steward. We could have had a sensible explanation from McNish which would have been much better use of air time than Blundell last week saying I can'tsay nuffink guv'nor
I don't think so. I only saw it live but I don't think he had much choice
I thought it was Kobayashi's fault for causing the damage to Sutil's car that sent him into the wall in the first place, but decided that the causation chain was so ridiculously long by that point that I might as well blame Jean Todt for holding the race in the first place...
The red flag rules never changed to allow work on the cars. Everything seen in that stoppage has been legal since at least 2003, where the rules were changed to prevent bodywork from being changed for non-equal bits of bodywork.
Leigh pointed out to me yesterday (because I agreed with your viewpoint initially), that he did have 3 laps to come in and repair any possible damage.
Hi folks.
Bah, I just burnt my toast because I was reading the comments about Sutil and Mr C's sutil point
#blamesutil
If it was a slow puncture (which from the length of time between trigger and crash I suspect to be the case), he and the team may not have known there was anything to worry about - other than a loss of time - until it was too late.
:D
Really?? 3 laps?
We have so few red flags that I had no idea the rules allowed such things
I just can't imagine there wouldn't be a drop in the tyre pressure.
Yes.
It depends how slowly it is dropping
koby did not cause any damage.
Precisely. It's not a section of the regulations that gets tested very often. The only dodgy thing that happened, according to the regulations, was the restart occurring in the first place. Everything the teams did in response was by the book for the same reasons as it has been for a long time.
sutil's own words:
When the first safety car came out I pitted to take the option tyres and I knew I would be on them for a very long time. I tried to make them last, although they dropped off with about 15 laps to go and that's when I had a big train of cars behind me. It was then that I ran wide on the marbles at turn 12, which gave me a right rear puncture.
It only had to hold for another 9 laps for it to have held. If the pressure only appeared to be dropping by 0.1 psi per lap or so, there'd be no reason to call him in as it would have been within reasonable tolerances. Of course, underinflated tyres do make braking more difficult...
no.
Considering that he never acknowledged the Kobayashi incident, I cannot use that to cancel the possibility that there was a pre-existing slow puncture from it before the crash Adrian mentioned (losing the tyre in one go would tend to be obvious in a way a slow puncture is not).
give me a break.
How can that be? Bits came off both cars, for a starter.
You're making it extremely difficult to do so by asserting something which doesn't appear to fit with what happened.
this is why i no longer comment on sidepodcast. madness.
Except you seem to keep on commenting. Stop it, we have a show to do.
Or maybe it could be a difference of opinion because nobody really knows what happened.
I don't even remember a Kobayashi/Sutil thing although I was watching racing for 12 hours yesterday. :)
From @FelipCleeren - Caption This:
http://sport.be.msn.com/media/photos/fotospecial/7937/BELGA-PICTURE-27392997.jpg
I have a big pie.
Mr C has a great point...
Get rid of Sutil and pop the Hulk into his seat please...
I'd at least have someone to support then...
"Checo Perez disguise ruffled after attempt to get back onto the grid following crash"
I remember it far too well because I nearly had a heart attack. Starting to think Kobi hit Sutil's car further up the sidepod.
I am watching Aircrash Investigation on National Geographic channel...
Always a favourite...
Filling?
Bernie impersonates nail - Where is my hammer?
I have no memory of it either
:D
"I have no idea why people think I have anything to do with Perez getting his seat"...
Very
Very.
Ha
Steak and red wine. And a pint of Bishops Finger ale.
I like that too, which one's this?
as talks over the next concorde agreement open, Bernie denies there is a mexican stand-off
:)
Landing on another aircraft at LAX... and before that the Airbus demonstration of how not to land in trees...
Double whoops!
Heard of the first but not the second. Can be some scary stuff sometimes, at least they are able to work out why it happens though
I disappear again for a while, as well as game results I feel like writing up a few other things too. Back in a while!
Have a good time!
I realised I hadn't actually eaten anything all day. Oops. Managed to bake a pizza so it's all good now :D
Not so much bumpy, but a very twisty track, no straights, and lots of oversteer so i was constantly holding the kart one way or the other
I always argue based on logic
I would not have argued, i think pastor turned in on him
come back mr c!
*waves*
I refer the right honourable gentleman to the kettle on the fridge incident
the previous arrangement was to hold it while it boiled.
the fridge was far safer!
To quote my star witness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Head explodes
Or is scalded by litres of boiling water I guess....
its not my fault the architect was a genius who decided to put the sockets a good 3 meters away from the countertops!
Alison solved the problem is a few days.
I can solve problems too!
since she left the router is no longer using a bicycle as a stand, but a desk!
Why don't you keep the bike outside?
You just copied here kettle solution
How did I miss the toy tiger news story??
What story?
even rust rusts outside here!
i have decided it will live in my bedroom alcove once i have rearanged the room
Just watching HIGNFY and they were talking about it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-13486698
the massive desk was way easier to build than the kitchen stand ;)
In your own bedroom?? It's better in the spare room. Also why are you not asleep?
can i get a real one?
http://www.sulekhalist.com/38/posts/21_Pets_and_Animals/228_Exotic_Animals/37194_Healthy_and_Gorgeous_Tiger_Cubs_and_Cheetah_cubs_available.html
Awww ♥
What exactly was the point of stopping the cricket game? The crowd would still have been sitting in the same place
I saw a story a couple of days ago about a police helicopter chasing a kid who broke a greenhouse window. I think they just like playing with their helicopters
Is that what I've got for my birthday?? :D
Is that because Alison was not in your way?
I take that as meaning i can get one!
I just can't believe they scrambled armed police etc. to deal with a cuddly toy
Are you trying to cause some kind of divorce?
You are not married
I am going to bed whilst this is still true!
night all!
Hah!
:D
Goodnight
It's quite clear that I'm the queen of Ikea
Really?
Definitely. Blue and yellow heaven.
Evening. I've been a bit busy tonight making my own version of Duck Sauce's 'Barbra Streisand', inspired by Lewis Hamilton's post race interview yesterday: http://audioboo.fm/boos/372015-goatsauce-lewis-hamilton
Hope you like it ;)
Poof, that is one show recorded. Monaco is crazy to talk about.
Dario's wife on meeting his girlfriend
http://twitter.com/AshleyJudd/status/75312265066328064
That was quick
It didn't feel quick! :)
I am sure it was worth it
Trying your best to stir up an argument today? :P
Tried and failed earlier. This was just an opinion
evening folks
After a 4th failed attempt to run in the morning I am officially not a morning runner.
I did manage to get out of bed though so I'm at work an hour early so I can run after work before it gets dark and still fit in a dinner with Pamela. I feel this is enough of an accomplishment.
So much for winning the Indy500
http://www.indystar.com/article/20110530/SPORTS0107/110530010/
I tried running earlier, but was just embarrassed - once a cyclist, also a cyclist
it gets easier/less embarrassing, I promise!
That is a good start to the day.
I finally decided to write this evening
2011 Monaco Grand Prix (Rd 6, May 29th) - http://theformulaoneandmotorsportsarchive.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/2011-monaco-grand-prix-rd-6-may-29th/
It could be a good Tuesday.
Evening all, how is SidePodLand today?
I used to run in the morning before breakfast. Hated the idea before I did it. Hated doing it to start with but ended up really enjoying it.
#notamorningperson
Peaceful
maybe I'd handle a morning in the summer but it was so cold outside! So very very cold! The sun is not as up at 7am as I thought it was.
Tired :)
Glad to hear. The rainy Bank Holiday was not so peaceful for me, sadly.
It was no fun at all - I couldn't even argue with myself properly (long story)
It doesn't get cold there. I used to do it in snow, ice and horizontal rain
I'm only a tiny wee bit Scottish #cantdealwiththat
You are more crazy than we thought.
Nick's neice has never even seen snow in Oz. I didn't realise it was so mild.
:D
It was a long time ago
Most of my Melbourne friends are like that, I didn't feel cold at all my first winter here. Stupid acclimatisation.
They have mountains with ski-ing there. Australia is where the Mediterranean is but upside down and round the other side so same kind of weather
Well apparently you don't really get snow in Queensland. She was looking at the snow in Dubai as she'd never seen it before. Most bizarre.
I can't imagine never having seen snow.
I could certainly live without it though.
She's only about 4 :P But yeah. I couldn't believe they don't get snow. Madness.
You don't really get much anyway. It's a very long time since we had deep snow. I can remember wading home through snow up to my waist but that was a long time ago
I would definitely move. The snow we have once a year is irritating enough.
Errrm about 5 months? Is that what passes for a long time these days?
Snow must be good for podcasting though because it is always quieter outside when it snows
Depends if you take into account all those cars crashing!
You need more snow then so that it is too deep for cars at all
Antarctic here we come.
its like the people who have never seen the sea. I've lived in three different towns but I've never not lived on the coast.
Bunker in the Antarctic
How can anyone not have seen the sea!?
Hi Christine & Mr. C, I don't want to sound pushy, but when's the debrief coming? And do you already have a date with Joe for the next Aside? Thank you thank you thank you for producing these shows, they'll be the highlights of my week.
because some countries are quite large land masses?
I am just editing the debrief as we speak.
Not sure about Joe, but we anticipate something before Canada.
Heh. It's easy to see the sea when you are surrounded by it. I imagine somewhere like Russia is a different story.
:D
Can't imagine living further than 20 miles from a coast and even that was uncomfortably landlocked.
I'm on the coast atm. It's flipping windy!
theres not too many countries in the world like the UK and NZ that are quite narrow and surrounded by it though
Fine here
I lived in Paris for a year and every few weeks I drove to the coast just to watch the sea
It's hard to avoid it in Scotland where nowhere is 40 miles from the coast
one of my favourite towns in NZ is smack bang in the middle of the country, I'm assuming I could live there though simply because they have an absolutely gorgeous massive lake.
But it doesn't have waves to watch
Manics gig ping - http://thoughtsofpat.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/manic-street-preachers-cardiff-cia-21-may-2011/
it has tiny little ones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lake_Wanaka_2005-08.jpg
You need bigger waves though
I don't know if its the waves I like about the sea, I just like the bigness of water :)
Not too big not too small
The bigness helps too
Fab new daily: http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-31st-may-2011
Maldonado turned in a touch earlier than Schumacher. It was still up to Lewis to pull out, IMO, if he saw Maldonado wasn't going to give him room.
:D
Catching up for those 3 years they didn't race each other while MSC was having his sabbatical. :D
WIN!
:D