Last day of April, and we're expecting the last bit of news from the FIA for the month. They already essentially cleared McLaren to race for 2009, and now they'll discuss how things will shape up for the future of the sport. Here's what we're talking about:

  • McLaren's suspended sentence means that they'll escape penalty if no further information comes out about the lying scandal, and assuming nothing else will happen in the next 12 months. It's safe to say that wil be the case, and I think most people are happy that the results of the hearing won't affect the racing.
  • Despite Flavio's protests that KERS is basically rubbish, FOTA have confirmed that they are keen to work on the technology for 2010. Does this mean that Flav's efforts to try and break up the team's alliance is not working and that they are just ignoring him?
  • Also, it turns out that the little parody I made for Felipe Baby is becoming kinda popular. Mr C has written a post explaining all about it but... basically... Rob Smedley has heard it. And I might die. That is all.

Keep the excellent comments coming, we should have lots to talk about today, particularly when we find out the budget caps and more. That'll do it for now, I'll see you in the comments.

1350 responses

  • me29/04/2009 at 23:05

    Last day of April, and we’re expecting...

    ok, hands up... who stole april?

  • Flibster29/04/2009 at 23:07

    ok, hands up... who stole april?

    Not me.

    15 years though. :(

  • Jackie29/04/2009 at 23:07

    Wow you are on the ball tonight .. only 6 mins past the bewitching hours and the new daily arrives

  • Flibster29/04/2009 at 23:08

    Wow you are on the ball tonight .. only 6 mins past the bewitching hours and the new daily arrives

    Makes a change from when Mr C was left on his own for the weekend. ;)

  • Andy Taylor29/04/2009 at 23:09

    15 years though. :(

    :(

  • Jackie29/04/2009 at 23:09

    Makes a change from when Mr C was left on his own for the weekend. ;)

    Really ;)

  • Andy Taylor29/04/2009 at 23:09

    Makes a change from when Mr C was left on his own for the weekend. ;)

    For the second time this evening I have to say: Shhhh!

  • littlepurplegoth29/04/2009 at 23:11

    Makes a change from when Mr C was left on his own for the weekend. ;)

    Please see my earlier post with the link in it.

    Although wasn't he also suffering from a case of 'missing Christine' blues plus alcohol and takeaway syndrome?

  • Bassano Clapper29/04/2009 at 23:13

    Although wasn't he also suffering from a case of 'missing Christine' blues plus alcohol and takeaway syndrome?

    And there was me thinking it was just the booze ;)

  • Flibster29/04/2009 at 23:14

    Although wasn't he also suffering from a case of 'missing Christine' blues plus alcohol and takeaway syndrome?

    And there was me thinking it was just the booze ;)

    Had he been drinking?

    Who woulda thunked it.

  • Andy Taylor29/04/2009 at 23:16

    Who woulda thunked it.

    I'd never have guessed.

    Doohickey V2 working well here, just stopped me from replying on the wrong thread :)

  • Andy Taylor29/04/2009 at 23:20

    Time for bed any how, night all.

  • Bassano Clapper29/04/2009 at 23:22

    Night Andy

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:43

    Oh that's just brilliant - the WHO just raised the swine flu pandemic status from level 4 to 5 a hour ago. Just the note I needed to end the day on...

  • Bassano Clapper29/04/2009 at 23:45

    Oh that's just brilliant - the WHO just raised the swine flu pandemic status from level 4 to 5 a hour ago. Just the note I needed to end the day on...

    How does that affect us here?

    As horrible as it is for anyone to suffer, raising the profile might actually get something done about prevention and treatment!

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:47

    How does that affect us here? As horrible as it is for anyone to suffer, raising the profile might actually get something done about prevention and treatment!

    But it just gets everyone worked up about it even more. I see your point but I'd rather we weren't running around like headless chickens and dramatising it in the press saying that we're all gonna die from it.

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 23:48

    Oh that's just brilliant - the WHO just raised the swine flu pandemic status from level 4 to 5 a hour ago. Just the note I needed to end the day on...

    I was going to raise it from yellow alert to orange alert but I couldn't find the orange bulb.

    I almost had an anxiety attack because I don't know whether to switch all my panicking over on to swine flu or keep some of it for HIV/AIDS/SARS/Bird flu/asteroid attack.

  • me29/04/2009 at 23:49

    I almost had an anxiety attack because I don't know whether to switch all my panicking over on to swine flu or keep some of it for HIV/AIDS/SARS/Bird flu/asteroid attack.

    we've had this discussion. bruce is on standby for the asteroids. trust me, i watched the film again to be sure, and he has a good team behind him. it'll be fine.

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:50

    we've had this discussion. bruce is on standby for the asteroids. trust me, i watched the film again to be sure, and he has a good team behind him. it'll be fine.

    I can hear helicopters already...

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 23:51

    But it just gets everyone worked up about it even more. I see your point but I'd rather we weren't running around like headless chickens and dramatising it in the press saying that we're all gonna die from it.

    Look at the numbers who are dying from it and look at the number of people who die in road accidents. You have way more chance of bing killed in a road accident tomorrow than you are to be killed by that flu. How worried are you about dying in a road accident? Bear in mind you have run that same road accident risk very day of the year.

    Governements need things for us to be afraid of. Doesn't matter if it is disease, communists, Nazis, terrorists or tomatoes. So long as they can say that if we give them the powers to tackle the problem they are happy.

  • Bassano Clapper29/04/2009 at 23:52

    I can hear helicopters already...

    24 hours later, anyone

    Seriously, The Sun were always gonna have a field day with this, with or without The World Health Organisation

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 23:52

    we've had this discussion. bruce is on standby for the asteroids. trust me, i watched the film again to be sure, and he has a good team behind him. it'll be fine.

    OK I will reduce the asteroids to yello alert and whatever other bulb I can find will dictate the alert for swine flu.

  • me29/04/2009 at 23:52

    Governements need things for us to be afraid of. Doesn't matter if it is disease, communists, Nazis, terrorists or tomatoes. So long as they can say that if we give them the powers to tackle the problem they are happy.

    i agree and i just single-handedly survived the black death with no government intervention and just a trip to tesco to help me.

  • Bassano Clapper29/04/2009 at 23:53

    Governements need things for us to be afraid of.

    And it stops folk blaming them for the recession for a day or two

  • me29/04/2009 at 23:53

    OK I will reduce the asteroids to yello alert and whatever other bulb I can find will dictate the alert for swine flu.

    white bulbs are my department. allow me...

    ...

    ...

    ok, crisis over. what's new in f1?

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 23:53

    How many people are worried about asteroid strikes rather than flu? Probably none but we had two huge rocks pass within 50,000 miles of the Earth in the space of a couple of weeks a month ago.

  • Bassano Clapper29/04/2009 at 23:54

    i agree and i just single-handedly survived the black death with no government intervention and just a trip to tesco to help me.

    Who woulda thought you could code your way out of near death!

    That's what the Elizabethans were doing wrong ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:54

    And it stops folk blaming them for the recession for a day or two

    That's true! Was wondering to myself in the city today that everyone seems to be forgetting the recession because of it.

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:54

    ok, crisis over. what's new in f1?

    Well...

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74942

  • Bassano Clapper29/04/2009 at 23:54

    ok, crisis over. what's new in f1?

    Flav & Bernie are idiots

    Oh wait, new? Errm

  • me29/04/2009 at 23:55

    Who woulda thought you could code your way out of near death!

    hadn't thought of that. think the nhs might be interested? they could get a new national database and cure the sick at the same time?

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 23:55

    white bulbs are me department. allow me...

    Now I am really panicking. Nothing has ever been as low as white alert before. I feel I am being kept in the drk about the real threat. Who has a paper bag?

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:56

    hadn't thought of that. think the nhs might be interested? they could get a new national database and cure the sick at the same time?

    A new campaign maybe - "Setting up a website single handedly cures all ailments"?

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 23:57

    A new campaign maybe - "Setting up a website single handedly cures all ailments"?

    I do NOT need a blog

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:57

    I do NOT need a blog

    Was I hinting at you? Don't believe I was :P

  • Scott Woodwiss29/04/2009 at 23:58

    Hmm, did we miss this through all the McLaren trial/Christine hype:

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74940

    Apparently the budget cap has been increased, though by how much isn't known yet.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:00

    Apparently the budget cap has been increased, though by how much isn't known yet.

    It's been discussed for a few days, to be announced tomorrow isn't it?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 00:01

    It's been discussed for a few days, to be announced tomorrow isn't it?

    I thought the whole thing was supposed to be going on on the 4th May? Or is that this FOTA thing?

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:04

    terrible news. autosport forums are down.

    good news. back in a few hours.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 00:05

    me: 30/04/2009 at 01:04:57

    terrible news. autosport forums are down.

    good news. back in a few hours.

    Do you think "you know what" has caused this maybe?

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:06

    Very unusual for Branson to drop the ball on things, should have tied up that sponsorship deal after Australia

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74921

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:07

    Do you think "you know what" has caused this maybe?

    Do they have many Mexicans transcribing at Autosport?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 00:08

    Bassano Clapper: 30/04/2009 at 01:07:15

    Do you think "you know what" has caused this maybe?

    Do they have many Mexicans transcribing at Autosport?

    I wasn't talking about that...the other thing, a bit closer to our site. ;)

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:08

    Do they have many Mexicans transcribing at Autosport?

    :D :D :D

  • Jeremy30/04/2009 at 00:11

    Steven Baby, stay cool! We're bringing you the white light bulb!

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:12

    Steven Baby, stay cool! We're bringing you the white light bulb!

    5 pints of ROFLcopter!

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:12

    5 pints of ROFLcopter!

    please, please tell me that phrase won't catch on!

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 00:13

    Steven Baby, stay cool! We're bringing you the white light bulb!

    :D

  • Jeremy30/04/2009 at 00:14

    please, please tell me that phrase won't catch on!

    only if Rob Smedley says it?

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 00:14

    please, please tell me that phrase won't catch on!

    It should make the dictionary though

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:14

    please, please tell me that phrase won't catch on!

    I think Gavin holds creative licence of the 5 pints prefix so, it's down to him

    I'll ask him tomorrow ;)

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:16

    I think Gavin holds creative licence of the 5 pints prefix so, it's down to him

    i'm not concerned about the 5pts prefix! no roflcopters or lmaonade.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:20

    i'm not concerned about the 5pts prefix! no roflcopters or lmaonade.

    I was just thinking that roflcopter sounds like an ale a friend of mine would probably like! :D

    lmaonade is pretty good though

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:20

    lmaonade is pretty good though

    gah!

  • Jeremy30/04/2009 at 00:21

    lmaonade is pretty good though

    How about 5 schooners of FBSC (Felipe Baby, Stay Cool!)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:22

    Would you believe I had a phone call from the Engineers departing the aircraft with 'that' speedtape on it today? :D

    I told them to look in the log (a school boy error on their part)

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:22

    Would you believe I had a phone call from the Engineers departing the aircraft with 'that' speedtape on it today? :D

    was the question... are you sure that will hold?

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:23

    not sure if i missed this, but pat's post re: THAT song:

    http://toomuchracing.blogspot.com/2009/04/felipe-baby.html

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:23

    How about 5 schooners of FBSC (Felipe Baby, Stay Cool!)

    Schooner, I've not heard that term for a few years

    [Approx 3/4 imperial pint, for reference]

    3 Schooners of 'New' and 3 C*** S***ing Cowboys please

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:24

    How about 5 schooners of FBSC (Felipe Baby, Stay Cool!)

    fbsc i likes :)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:25

    was the question... are you sure that will hold?

    Nearly, as it had just come from Base they were a little bit surprised

    [They know it'll hold longer than the composite panel it was stuck to]

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:25

    fbsc i likes :)

    Doesn't White Visor sound like an 80's cider?

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:27

    I've not opened Tweetdeck for about 5 days, it's gonna be 300 comments about Felipe Baby isn't it?

    Let's find out what Fake Felipe thinks

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:28

    backpackers guide to f1, has updated with bahrain info. interesting thing i didn't realise:

    "Driver parade didn't happen at this circuit. The drivers lined up on a podium and were interviewed but they ran out of time before they got down to Kimi and Heikki."

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:28

    Doesn't White Visor sound like an 80's cider?

    hehehehe. it really does.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:31

    "Driver parade didn't happen at this circuit. The drivers lined up on a podium and were interviewed but they ran out of time before they got down to Kimi and Heikki."

    That's what they say

    [don't tell Amy, please ;) ]

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:32

    lots of detail re:mclaren kers device in this post. wish i could understand the video though.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 00:33

    lots of detail re:mclaren kers device in this post. wish i could understand the video though.

    We had this vid earlier in the week. Probably when you had swine flu

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:33

    lots of detail re:mclaren kers device in this post. wish i could understand the video though.

    Didn't the BBC do this very same thing during their post race 'forum'

    [Err, emails, I don't think so guys]

    Check your iPlayer

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:34

    We had this vid earlier in the week. Probably when you had swine flu

    Ah yes, that was it

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:34

    Ah yes, that was it

    Though it was in English

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:34

    Didn't the BBC do this very same thing during their post race 'forum'

    [Err, emails, I don't think so guys]

    ah-ha. i was asleep.

    apologies. please ignore my previous comment.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:36

    lots of detail re:mclaren kers device in this post. wish i could understand the video though.

    I remember commenting that the battery back lookied like it had come from a Dell laptop

    It fell on deaf ears :(

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:37

    to make up for that last comment. did we know that:

    "Heidfeld was able to equal a record that most people thought multiple world champion Michael Schumacher would keep for ever."

    "Between 2001 and 2003, Schumacher managed to cross the finish line in 24 successive races – a unique achievement. But now, Nick has matched it."

    linkage

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:37

    It fell on deaf ears :(

    i would've appreciated it, if i were around ;)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:37

    [Err, emails, I don't think so guys]

    I emailed the show [one of dozens, no doubt] regarding Legard's poor skills

    Needless to say, that fell on deaf ears too

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:38

    i would've appreciated it, if i were around ;)

    Hence it's reprise

    [Know your audience :) ]

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 00:40

    lots of detail re:mclaren kers device in this post. wish i could understand the video though.

    You just need to write a bit of code that translates on the fly. Put it on the list

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:40

    to make up for that last comment. did we know that:

    That was broadcast during the race

    [You were probably in a plague indiced hallucination at the time]

    I would gladly have not heard it if the marathon hadn't knocked off the R5L commentary from the Red Button selection. Grrrrrr!

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 00:41

    I remember commenting that the battery back lookied like it had come from a Dell laptop

    I remember you saying that

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:41

    That was broadcast during the race

    by legard? i was listening to croftie.

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:41

    You just need to write a bit of code that translates on the fly. Put it on the list

    oh, sure, why not.

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:42

    I would gladly have not heard it if the marathon hadn't knocked off the R5L commentary from the Red Button selection. Grrrrrr!

    i really don't remember that? i wonder if i was actually awake this weekend.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:44

    i really don't remember that? i wonder if i was actually awake this weekend.

    Maybe it was a London thing and the BBC actually mistaking that anyone was interested in foil blankets

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:45

    You just need to write a bit of code that translates on the fly. Put it on the list

    oh, sure, why not.

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/homeless-coder-jpg

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:45
  • me30/04/2009 at 00:46

    right then, one more link before sleeps. bernie may have put his foot in it, again.

    although it doesn't appear as if the person writing the article is actually sure.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:48

    we need him!

    Will gladly offer my services to test but could not code for toffee

    That's too close to the 'fair trades' for my liking

    [That's Avionics not bananas, btw]

    {Cone heads, to everyone else}

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:51

    although it doesn't appear as if the person writing the article is actually sure.

    Cover all angles as well as writer's own behind, methinks

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:54

    My link of the day is this

    Blade Runner, starring the Kindle 2 and iPod Shuffle

    Mr C, I like how you've simplified the link process for the layman :cheers:

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:55

    Mr C, I like how you've simplified the link process for the layman

    christine's idea that one.

  • me30/04/2009 at 00:57

    one more link, then i really gotta go. dare i ask if this has been discussed?

    "If the teams do not sign a new Concorde agreement and their payment is cut, Mr Ecclestone said he would not rule out acquiring more race tracks for his portfolio."

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 00:59

    one more link, then i really gotta go. dare i ask if this has been discussed?

    Bernie looking for a knighthood for saving the British GP

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:00

    Dare I ask if Felipe Baby was recorded to Song Smith?

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:06

    Question for Steven Roy:

    Did you read about the freaky planet with eccentric orbit on BBC News

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8020594.stm

    Highly elliptical apparently: "The temperature on the planet is changing from about 3C - which is what you might have on Earth - to about 1,200C"

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 01:09

    don't tell Amy, please

    to protest this unacceptable behaviour I am officially boycotting the nation of Bahrain. That will teach them.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:09

    to protest this unacceptable behaviour I am officially boycotting the nation of Bahrain. That will teach them.

    Monaco or bust!

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 01:12

    Howdy!

    For the record, I think it's great that Felipe baby was on the radio.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:15

    Hey Sean

    Even better that it was through the voice of Sidepodcast

  • Jeremy30/04/2009 at 01:21

    Bernie looking for a knighthood for saving the British GP

    Or perhaps realising that if a breakaway series happens, owning the circuits will give him power

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:22

    Or perhaps realising that if a breakaway series happens, owning the circuits will give him power

    Welcome to the Tilke-drome (not!)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:44

    If only all infomercials were this good

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA&eurl=http://

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:47

    I want a Slap Chop now!

    [I already have the Breakdance soundtrack!]

  • Golding30/04/2009 at 01:47

    If only all infomercials were this good

    It actually makes me want to buy one!

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 01:58

    If only all infomercials were this good

    It actually makes me want to buy one!

    This one's even better

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGccl8N0eM&NR=1

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 01:59

    i want the gratey, i hate grating cheese.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:00

    Open palms is the key, mind those fingers

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 02:01

    This one's even better

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzGccl8N0eM&NR=1

    I preferred the other one.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:02

    I preferred the other one.

    Even with "my nuts"

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:02

    Did you read about the freaky planet with eccentric orbit on BBC News

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8020594.stm

    No. I missed that. I know there are various bodies on very odd orbits so it is not that surprising. We have asteroids that have orbits that bring them in from the Kuiper(Kuyper?) belt past the Earth to very close to the sun.

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 02:02

    Even with "my nuts"

    Well, the Germans make good nuts bit was funny.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:03

    Or perhaps realising that if a breakaway series happens, owning the circuits will give him power

    I still think Bernie is more likely to side with the teams on a breakaway than to stick with Max.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:04

    We have asteroids that have orbits that bring them in from the Kuiper(Kuyper?) belt past the Earth to very close to the sun.

    Kuiper

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:05

    I still think Bernie is more likely to side with the teams on a breakaway than to stick with Max.

    Especially if there's a dollar or two to be made on a new contract

    [Who needs the hassle of having to dress up in a red blazer to shake down a new deal?]

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:06

    i want the gratey, i hate grating cheese.

    I hate cheese. Solves the problem

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:07

    I hate cheese. Solves the problem

    I thought cheese was one of the major scottish food groups

    I have a friend (ok, he is from Lanark) whose catchphrase is

    "Feed me cheese and call me Jesus"

    True story

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 02:14

    pastry is a food group.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:14

    pastry is a food group.

    Only in a pie :D

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:14

    I have a friend (ok, he is from Lanark) whose catchphrase is

    "Feed me cheese and call me Jesus"

    True story

    That's Lanark for you. But you are right I am in the minority when it comes to not liking the stuff.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:16

    That's Lanark for you. But you are right I am in the minority when it comes to not liking the stuff.

    Next thing you'll be saying you don't like deep fried pizza or springs rolls the size of house bricks ;)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:18

    There are still 12 people on dropio. Normally there are never more than 4 or 5 but tonight there has been a constant stream of people to it. There were over 50 at one point. Felipe Baby has 55 comments. I think we can say it is a success.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:19

    Next thing you'll be saying you don't like deep fried pizza or springs rolls the size of house bricks ;)

    I am not sure I have ever had deep fried pizza. I have had lots of pizza. Mozzarela for whatever reason is the only cheese I can eat. I have had lots of things deep fried but I don't remember eating deep fried pizza.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:20

    I think we can say it is a success.

    I do wonder if the people staying on the drop.io page [on some distant tab] are kinda responsible for it's lack of responsiveness lately

    A victim of it's own success maybe, SPC should exploit that too methinks

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:24

    Since I picked up on the high number there a few hours ago I have been watcching it and the number is constantly changing. It looks like different forums posting the link and people discovering the link then going to dropio. Shame they don't get directed to the main site.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:27

    Wod will get around, I rather we didn't get spammed by

    Epic win & roflcopter comments as mentioned earlier

    BTW Gavin: If you're post trawling "5 pints of roflcopter" is awaiting your approval :D

    [Who can post trawl in these 900 posts per times?]

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:31

    Word will get around, I rather we didn't get spammed by

    And it has been - a lot of people had asked who the sultry voice is, so they search, and, voila, they find the site!

    We have our fair share of lurkers - I'd like to think a lot more people began lurking today. :)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:33
  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:34

    We have our fair share of lurkers - I'd like to think a lot more people began lurking today. :)

    *waves at lurkers and shouts*

    "We can't hear you"

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:36

    :D @ http://tinyurl.com/cajqk4

    "a deer is like a horse with horns"

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:37

    *waves at lurkers and shouts*

    "We can't hear you"

    :D

    Mr and Mrs C may want to keep an eye on the download numbers for the next Debrief - I'm sure some people would want to hear more of her lovely voice, so I think we may see a bit of a pickup in download numbers.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 02:37

    i regret my lurking days, i really enjoy the conversations here, and the chances to mention heikki being above lewis in the championship last week.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:39

    i regret my lurking days, i really enjoy the conversations here, and the chances to mention heikki being above lewis in the championship last week.

    :) Aww, no regrets, Amy - everyone was a lurker at some point, but not everyone steps up and joins the community. You were one of those who did step up, and we're all the better for it. :D

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:40

    Mr and Mrs C may want to keep an eye on the download numbers for the next Debrief - I'm sure some people would want to hear more of her lovely voice, so I think we may see a bit of a pickup in download numbers.

    Two weeks at number one should cover some of the server bills though or at least gather some "sponsored by virgin media" attention :D

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 02:41

    Two weeks at number one should cover some of the server bills though or at least gather some "sponsored by virgin media" attention :D

    Ah! Perhaps a "Rubens Baby" song?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:42

    Two weeks at number one should cover some of the server bills though or at least gather some "sponsored by virgin media" attention :D

    We are looking at all the possibilities, aren't we? :) Hehe. Would be fun if they did get invited, though - they'd get to meet Joe S and Stuart C in person, too. :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:44

    On a somewhat related note, looks like Autosport just today rebranded their forums from Atlas-F1 to Autosport.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:51

    i regret my lurking days, i really enjoy the conversations here, and the chances to mention heikki being above lewis in the championship last week.

    You should tell the lurkers how much more fun you are having since you started commenting and how much less sleep you get.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 02:51

    LOL from Fake Kimi:

    http://twitpic.com/4838g

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 02:53

    We are looking at all the possibilities, aren't we? :) Hehe. Would be fun if they did get invited, though - they'd get to meet Joe S and Stuart C in person, too. :)

    We all missed the opportunity to meet Stuart at the ASI show. He was working for F1 Racing on their stand and none of us knew.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:56

    You should tell the lurkers how much more fun you are having since you started commenting and how much less sleep you get.

    Hahaha! Well, that's because Amy and I are out East. :D You guys don't have to worry about less sleep. Besides, it's all worth it. ;)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:56

    LOL from Fake Kimi:

    it's an RT, a very good RT. :D

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 02:57

    We all missed the opportunity to meet Stuart at the ASI show. He was working for F1 Racing on their stand and none of us knew.

    Aww, shame. Oh well, there's always Goodwood or ASI next year.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 03:02

    Hahaha! Well, that's because Amy and I are out East. :D You guys don't have to worry about less sleep. Besides, it's all worth it. ;)

    I should point out that it is 4am here

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:03

    I should point out that it is 4am here

    Erm... well... yes... it is. :) You and Bassano the only ones from that part of the world up right now. The rest are either across the pond or out East.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:06

    This must be one of the most eventful weeks in SPC history. Between the newhickey and this, I'll been nuts lately. :D

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:07

    I just think it's good promotion, if nothing else. And it's fun :-)

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 03:07

    This must be one of the most eventful weeks in SPC history. Between the newhickey and this, I'll been nuts lately. :D

    Good thing there's no race this weekend then ey? Actually, a race this weekend may have been a good thing because with all the extra attention, maybe some of them would join us in the LCLT.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:08

    I just think it's good promotion, if nothing else. And it's fun :-)

    A LOT of fun! :)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:08

    A LOT of fun! :)

    and who would have thought Mrs C. could sing so well?

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 03:08

    'If the blues had a country Muddy Waters would be our President, his slide and his guitar would act as his government'

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:09

    Good thing there's no race this weekend then ey? Actually, a race this weekend may have been a good thing because with all the extra attention, maybe some of them would join us in the LCLT.

    Yep, that's what I was thinking. The quiet weekend means we probably won't be able to fully maximize this, since nothing's happening until next week. Oh well, if the Debrief does push through this weekend, it may still be recent enough to get more people to tune in. :)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 03:09

    maybe some of them would join us in the LCLT.

    Doohickey FTW

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:10

    Doohickey FTW

    Either way, hoping more people will join us after finding us thanks to the song. :)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:11

    Either way, hoping more people will join us after finding us thanks to the song. :)

    This actually reminded me how I found SPC - from the autosport forum. Only been following F1 for 34 years now.....

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 03:12

    This actually reminded me how I found SPC - from the autosport forum. Only been following F1 for 34 years now.....

    F1 minute for me

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:12

    This actually reminded me how I found SPC - from the autosport forum. Only been following F1 for 34 years now.....

    Wow! You and Steven Roy should relate pretty well. :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:12

    F1 minute for me

    F1Fanatic for me - when they interviewed Keith. :)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:13

    Wow! You and Steven Roy should relate pretty well. :)

    LOL

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:13

    Oh great - fire alarm. Gotta evacuate. Grr.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 03:14

    Oh great - fire alarm. Gotta evacuate. Grr.

    iPhone?

    I love how he commented first

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:14

    Oh great - fire alarm. Gotta evacuate. Grr.

    Hope it's just a drill. Later, Paul. :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:14

    I love how he commented first

    :D

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 03:15

    Yep, that's what I was thinking. The quiet weekend means we probably won't be able to fully maximize this, since nothing's happening until next week. Oh well, if the Debrief does push through this weekend, it may still be recent enough to get more people to tune in. :)

    There will be a Debrief and the first sidepodpanel with two hosts. That has to be worth listening to.

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 03:15

    I love how he commented first

    Man,s got his priorities right, that's all I can say. ;)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:15

    There will be a Debrief and the first sidepodpanel with two hosts. That has to be worth listening to.

    For sure. :) Fingers crossed, we'll get more listeners.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 03:16

    Oh great - fire alarm. Gotta evacuate. Grr.

    Bet it is cold and wet. Never had an evacuation on a sunny day

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 03:16

    Bet it is cold and wet. Never had an evacuation on a sunny day

    I don't know where abouts in Oz he is, but if it's Sydney, it is cold and wet.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:17

    Bet it is cold and wet. Never had an evacuation on a sunny day

    Our drills were always on sunny days. But it is very cold and very wet right now outside...

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 03:17

    I love how he commented first

    Sidepodcast is important. It's worth risking incineration so we don't worry that someone hasn't commented for a while.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 03:18

    OK I am going to try this thing I heard about. It's called sleep and apparently very popular with people who don't comment on sidepodcast. I asked here earlier and no-one seems to have heard of it.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 03:19

    19 people on dropio. I would love to know how many times the song has been played or downloaded today.

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 03:19

    OK I am going to try this thing I heard about. It's called sleep and apparently very popular with people who don't comment on sidepodcast. I asked here earlier and no-one seems to have heard of it.

    Night. I'm off too, not to sleep though, to uni. Well, actually, that means I probably am off to sleep as well. ;)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:19

    OK I am going to try this thing I heard about. It's called sleep and apparently very popular with people who don't comment on sidepodcast. I asked here earlier and no-one seems to have heard of it.

    Meh, it's overrated. :P Good night, Steven. :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:20

    Night. I'm off too, not to sleep though, to uni. Well, actually, that means I probably am off to sleep as well. ;)

    Haha! later, sean.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:20

    19 people on dropio. I would love to know how many times the song has been played or downloaded today.

    I'm sure Mr C can find out for us. :)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:26

    Yes indeed. False fire alarm. Someone cooking toast for lunch perhaps...

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:30

    Yes indeed. False fire alarm. Someone cooking toast for lunch perhaps...

    Oops. Someone will get a sermon for that. :)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 03:30

    Yes indeed. False fire alarm. Someone cooking toast for lunch perhaps...

    Students on work experience?

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 03:30

    how I found SPC

    I found SPC by downloading the podcasts at iTunes then I realized they had a website and I've lurking ever since, old habits die hard:)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:31

    Students on work experience?

    ..or people chattering away in the kitchen

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 03:32

    I found SPC by downloading the podcasts at iTunes then I realized they had a website and I've lurking ever since, old habits die hard:)

    Took me about a month to work out the web site!

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 03:36

    Took me about a month to work out the web site!

    I would watch the video's for the upcoming races and I never clued in on the website address at the bottom of the screen or even when Mrs C said the name of the website.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 03:37

    I would watch the video's for the upcoming races and I never clued in on the website address at the bottom of the screen or even when Mrs C said the name of the website.

    Hehehe. :D Well, at least you found it. You've sure made up for it. :)

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 04:05

    Hehehe. :D Well, at least you found it. You've sure made up for it. :)

    I see you're #1 most talkative by quite a large number, good job.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 04:06

    OK, maybe I'm biased when it comes to McLaren, but I think James Allen (of all people!) has summarised the situation well on the ITV blog. I had actually forgotten about the Schumacher/Monaco business.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 04:09

    I see you're #1 most talkative by quite a large number, good job.

    I don't know how he does it. Every time I look at the bottom of the Doohickey page, he's the number 1 !!

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 04:18

    we have been banned from making microwave popcorn at work, sets the fire alarms off every time.

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 04:21

    I don't know how he does it. Every time I look at the bottom of the Doohickey page, he's the number 1 !!

    I know what you mean, I just don't know where everybody finds the free time during the day.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 04:23

    I know what you mean, I just don't know where everybody finds the free time during the day.

    *ahem* when we should be working....

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 04:32

    I see you're #1 most talkative by quite a large number, good job.

    Thank you, Aitch! :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 04:32

    I don't know how he does it. Every time I look at the bottom of the Doohickey page, he's the number 1 !!

    Well, that's only happened as of late. Won't be around starting midnight Sydney time, though, so that should give others a chance to catch up. :D

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 04:33

    *ahem* when we should be working....

    :D I'm not at work yet! :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 04:34

    Well, that's only happened as of late. Won't be around starting midnight Sydney time, though, so that should give others a chance to catch up. :D

    Probably won't be around for a full 72 hours, so I think Scott's quest to catch me will really step up a notch. :D

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 04:35

    :D I'm not at work yet! :)

    Speaking for myself ;-)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 04:35

    ..and now I know how you do it - reply to yourself !!

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 04:35

    ..and now I know how you do it - reply to yourself !!

    I keep forgetting to mention something! ;)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 04:38

    I keep forgetting to mention something! ;)

    Sneaky. Not that it's a competition or anything.....?!

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 04:39

    :D I'm not at work yet! :)

    I'd love to drag my laptop to work but it would be very hard to paint and comment at the same time plus I think my boss would have something to say about it.

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 04:40

    I'd love to drag my laptop to work but it would be very hard to paint and comment at the same time plus I think my boss would have something to say about it.

    Also I wouldn't want to get paint all over my laptop

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 04:47

    Sneaky. Not that it's a competition or anything.....?!

    It's not a competition... maybe. ;) :P

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 04:48

    I'd love to drag my laptop to work but it would be very hard to paint and comment at the same time plus I think my boss would have something to say about it.

    Also I wouldn't want to get paint all over my laptop

    Hahaha! :D Nice day for a white laptop. :)

  • Aitch30/04/2009 at 05:08

    I will leave those that are are still here with one last thing 'On the 30th of April 1983 the blues world cried'. Hasta leugo muchachos and muchachas.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 06:04

    [Release as a single now and coin it in, all in the name of SidepodAid]

    They already have one ;)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 06:19

    They already have one ;)

    Not sure I get what you mean?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 06:20

    I will leave those that are are still here with one last thing ‘On the 30th of April 1983 the blues world cried’. Hasta leugo muchachos and muchachas.

    Hasta luego, Senor Aitch.

    On the 1st of May 1994, the Formula 1 world cried.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 06:21

    On the 1st of May 1994, the Formula 1 world cried.

    Your telling me

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 06:21

    On the 1st of May 1994, the Formula 1 world cried.

    Oh God, it's tomorrow :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 06:21

    They already have one ;)

    Not sure I get what you mean?

    Wait and see ;)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 06:24

    Wait and see ;)

    Aren't you cryptic? :P Do you know something I don't? :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 06:30

    Sounds like it doesn’t it?

    Yup - and I really wanna know what he knows... It sure sounds interesting. :D

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 06:31

    Oh God, it’s tomorrow :(

    Yes, it is. But let's not be sad, let's celebrate his life and his legacy for the sport that we love.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 06:31

    Yup - and I really wanna know what he knows... It sure sounds interesting. :D

    Maybe sidepodidol is finally releasing a CD

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 06:32

    Sounds like it doesn’t it?

    Yup - and I really wanna know what he knows... It sure sounds interesting. :D

    Just that I may have sent something to SPC and they may not have pleayed it yet... ;)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 06:36

    Just that I may have sent something to SPC and they may not have pleayed it yet… ;)

    Now I'm even more confused than when started - Gavin, you sing too?! :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 06:37

    Scott, did you ever finish that Senna wallpaper for me?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 06:41

    Now I'm even more confused than when started - Gavin, you sing too?! :)

    Don't spoil the surprise - if it's worthy, you'll know about it! :D

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 06:46

    Don’t spoil the surprise - if it’s worthy, you’ll know about it! :D

    All right, if you insist. Would be interesting if someone tried to use the song 'American Pie'... :D

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 07:16

    how I found SPC

    Google search for F1 podcasts.

    I was very bored at work one day. :D

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 07:18

    On the 1st of May 1994, the Formula 1 world cried.

    What about the 30th of April?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 07:22

    On the 1st of May 1994, the Formula 1 world cried.

    What about the 30th of April?

    Everybody forgets Roland Ratzenberger. Poor Guy. Didn't even get a mention in the Daily Post.

    Never heard of Ratzenberger? That's it, I'm unsubscribing! ;)

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 07:37

    A1GP finishes this weekend. :(

    Mexico round has been cancelled for sensible and obvious reasons.

    Second cancelled round this year though.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 07:51

    A1GP finishes this weekend. :(

    Mexico round has been cancelled for sensible and obvious reasons.

    Second cancelled round this year though.

    As I said yesterday - enjoy the racing, coz you ain't ever gonna see it again :(

  • toxicfusion30/04/2009 at 07:59

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8025566.stm

    The picture of Mosley scares me slightly.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:00

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8025566.stm

    The picture of Mosley scares me slightly.

    That's begging for a Lukeh-shop :D

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 08:08

    The picture of Mosley scares me slightly.

    ...and the she pushed it....

  • toxicfusion30/04/2009 at 08:08

    British GP News:

    In a debate in the House of Lords last Thursday, the government ruled out providing direct financial assistance but said it recognised the importance of the grand prix and stood ready to help in other ways.

    “We do not want a state-sponsored motor industry, but the government can give necessary assistance and support in judicious ways,” said deputy chief whip Lord Davies of Oldham.

    http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=45740

    The problem is they don't have the money and the goverment wants to help in other ways. What other ways are there?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:10

    The problem is they don't have the money and the goverment wants to help in other ways. What other ways are there?

    It's shocking how much money is being wasted on the Olympics when a small portion of that could save F1!

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:10

    Everybody forgets Roland Ratzenberger. Poor Guy. Didn't even get a mention in the Daily Post.

    I tweeted about him today, hooray! Poor guy, possibly the most overshadowed death ever.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 08:18

    The problem is they don't have the money and the goverment wants to help in other ways. What other ways are there?

    2 ways spring to mind...

    1) He says not state sponsored... They could use lottery money which is actually where some of the olympics money is coming from. A new scratchcard for example.

    2) Planning permission and other permissions. Building road and rail links for them. That kind of thing. Things they would have to pay for the but the Government will pay for instead. That kind of thing.

  • toxicfusion30/04/2009 at 08:21

    2) Planning permission and other permissions. Building road and rail links for them. That kind of thing. Things they would have to pay for the but the Government will pay for instead. That kind of thing.

    I see thanks :D Still doesn't help the fact that the Donnington is in financial trouble.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 08:24

    Never heard of Ratzenberger? That's it, I'm unsubscribing! ;)

    I have. I've recorded multiple podcasts about that weekend, so I know the details like anyone.

    Hadn't really thought of mentioning any of it in the daily post, really.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:26

    Never heard of Ratzenberger? That's it, I'm unsubscribing! ;)

    I have. I've recorded multiple podcasts about that weekend, so I know the details like anyone.

    Hadn't really thought of mentioning any of it in the daily post, really.

    Yeah I was just having fun based on the Lola comment ;)

    Just curious - why didn't you think of mentioning it?

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 08:27

    Just curious - why didn't you think of mentioning it?

    Not necessary, is it? What can possibly be said that hasn't been said already?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:28

    Just curious - why didn't you think of mentioning it?

    Not necessary, is it? What can possibly be said that hasn't been said already?

    Something, anything - just because the poor guy died and nobody even mentions him. He was a decent up and comer too :(

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 08:29

    Something, anything - just because the poor guy died and nobody even mentions him. He was a decent up and comer too :(

    Okay. I hadn't intended to mention Senna either.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 08:30

    Something, anything - just because the poor guy died and nobody even mentions him. He was a decent up and comer too :(

    I think we all remember that weekend.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:30

    Something, anything - just because the poor guy died and nobody even mentions him. He was a decent up and comer too

    I did think of something on Tuesday - as a mark of respect, we could do a 3 minute silence tomorrow in the comments, 1 minute for each of Senna's 3 world titles. I wasn't sure how that would go down though.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:31

    Oh, morning btw. I won Valencia in BAT :D

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:31

    Oh, morning btw. I won Valencia in BAT :D

    and I got one point :D

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 08:31

    So, Chistine, Rob Smedley eh?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:32

    Hey Scott, How's my Senna wallpaper coming along? ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:32

    Hey Scott, How's my Senna wallpaper coming along?

    I started work on it, but other things in the day made me lose track. I'll get it sorted today. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:33

    Hey Scott, How's my Senna wallpaper coming along?

    I started work on it, but other things in the day made me lose track. I'll get it sorted today. :)

    Legend ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:34

    Legend

    Yes I am, and yes he was :D

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:34

    So, Chistine, Rob Smedley eh?

    one of my friends has a boyfriend who I'm quite sure is the NZ Rob clone. It scares me.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:34

    Something, anything - just because the poor guy died and nobody even mentions him. He was a decent up and comer too :(

    Okay. I hadn't intended to mention Senna either.

    Really? I don't know how you feel about him, considering he was 'before your time', but a lot of us will be marking the day and paying our respects in our own ways tomorrow...

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 08:35

    So, Christine, Rob Smedley eh?

    That's for the other thread, methinks. :)

    Good job in Valencia, Scott! How did Lou and Al do?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:36

    Really? I don't know how you feel about him, considering he was 'before your time', but a lot of us will be marking the day and paying our respects in our own ways tomorrow...

    I'm stopping whatever I'm doing tomorrow for 3 minutes to pay respect.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 08:36

    That's for the other thread, methinks. :)

    Woops, you are right

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:37

    Good job in Valencia, Scott! How did Lou and Al do?

    3rd and 2nd respectively. Urgh...

    Mind you, the gap between all 3 of us is just 12 points. Another win and podium will help swing it my way. :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:38

    I'm stopping whatever I'm doing tomorrow for 3 minutes to pay respect.

    That's going to look odd if you're in the middle of a street or in mid sentence ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:39

    That's going to look odd if you're in the middle of a street or in mid sentence

    You know what I mean! :D

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 08:39

    Really? I don't know how you feel about him, considering he was 'before your time', but a lot of us will be marking the day and paying our respects in our own ways tomorrow...

    I don't doubt it for a second.

    Personally, I think Senna is remembered pretty much every day in F1 anyway, I don't believe it needs a special day as well. I also think, as you said earlier, it's very unfair on other drivers that died in the sport as well. There is no one else who gets the same revered treatment, and a lot of lives were lost.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 08:41

    Personally, I think Senna is remembered pretty much every day in F1 anyway, I don't believe it needs a special day as well. I also think, as you said earlier, it's very unfair on other drivers that died in the sport as well. There is no one else who gets the same revered treatment, and a lot of lives were lost.

    I agree with this. Even Villneurve doesn't get this

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:42

    I agree with this. Even Villneurve doesn't get this

    Oh he does though! People talk about Villeneuve all the time and Zolder is always mentioned...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 08:44

    Oh he does though! People talk about Villeneuve all the time and Zolder is always mentioned...

    Well I haven't been to Zolder but he seems less remembered to me. I hope you are right

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:46

    today was the coldest Melbourne April morning in 56 years, and it's not winter. Boooo.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 08:47

    today was the coldest Melbourne April morning in 56 years, and it's not winter. Boooo.

    Isn't this weather nuts?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:48

    Personally, I think Senna is remembered pretty much every day in F1 anyway, I don't believe it needs a special day as well. I also think, as you said earlier, it's very unfair on other drivers that died in the sport as well. There is no one else who gets the same revered treatment, and a lot of lives were lost.

    That was well put. He does get more rememberance than other drivers, I think because of his standing and because he was the most recent. For me though, it's the only F1 death that truly saddens me. Every time I think about it, it moves me deeply in a way I cannot understand. Tomorrow will be a tough day, that's for sure.

    It's really odd for me to think like that and I don't like admitting it. Perhaps it was because it all happened before my eyes and perhaps it has something to do with the fact that I saw him the year before at Donington, I don't know :(

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:48

    Isn't this weather nuts?

    it is cold, and people look at me funny because I quite enjoy frozen treats in freezing cold weather.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:50

    That was well put. He does get more rememberance than other drivers, I think because of his standing and because he was the most recent.

    I think it might be the first more than the latter - like you say, Ratzenberger was a mere 24 hours beforehand, and he was the first death in 12 years, yet no one seems to remember. The two go hand in hand as far as recent goes.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 08:50

    Well I haven’t been to Zolder but he seems less remembered to me. I hope you are right

    Gilles is the 2nd-most remembered driver after Ayrton, but he's nowhere nearly remembered as much. We may all know May 1, but do we even know when Gilles passed away? Not even the great Clark is remembered this fervently.

    And then there are others - Ratzenberger, de Angelis, Paletti, Pryce, Cevert, McLaren, von Trips, Bandini - who rarely get a mention, never mind a proper tribute.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:52

    And then there are others - Ratzenberger, de Angelis, Paletti, Pryce, Cevert, McLaren, von Trips, Bandini - who rarely get a mention, never mind a proper tribute.

    There are so many others too :(

    I propose we have an 'F1 rememberance day' where we respect all of the fallen heroes that were involved in F1.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:53

    We may all know May 1, but do we even know when Gilles passed away? Not even the great Clark is remembered this fervently.

    I wouldn't have a clue. The only other one I know is Bruce McLaren - June 2. And I expect that I'm more of the exception than the norm there.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 08:54

    We may all know May 1, but do we even know when Gilles passed away? Not even the great Clark is remembered this fervently.

    I wouldn't have a clue. The only other one I know is Bruce McLaren - June 2. And I expect that I'm more of the exception than the norm there.

    You and me have something in common you know.

    I thought Jan was lovely when I met her too ;)

  • Dank30/04/2009 at 08:55

    I know I'm late to the party with this, but the 'Felipe Baby' is popping up absolutely everywhere at the moment!

    Lee McKenzie's on the case as well: http://twitter.com/LeeMcK/statuses/1657348420

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 08:56

    Lee McKenzie's on the case as well: http://twitter.com/LeeMcK/statuses/1657348420

    It has officially reached the BBC F1 team then! :D

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 08:56

    I thought Jan was lovely when I met her too ;)

    She was so lovely and down to earth, considering when we sat down to lunch she excused herself to 'go and ring Woking' and then she told a story about the time Ron rang her when he spotted her outside the garage. Not too many people I have met could say Ron Dennis has their phone number.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 08:56

    It has officially reached the BBC F1 team then! :D

    Wow

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 09:02

    My Renault World Series tickets just arrived! :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 09:03

    My Renault World Series tickets just arrived! :D

    Awesome!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 09:04

    I ordered 4 under my name and address and 4 under my dad's so in total we have 8 :

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 09:04

    :D

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 09:05

    Lee McKenzie's on the case as well: http://twitter.com/LeeMcK/statuses/1657348420

    Oh. my. god.

    :o :o

    Morning guys!

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 09:06

    Oh. my. god.

    Yep!

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 09:07

    See FIA? This is what happens when we get to listen to the radios.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 09:08

    She was so lovely and down to earth, considering when we sat down to lunch she excused herself to ‘go and ring Woking’ and then she told a story about the time Ron rang her when he spotted her outside the garage. Not too many people I have met could say Ron Dennis has their phone number.

    One thing about Ron is that he always has respect for his team's history. He knows McLaren did not start with him - it started with Bruce. And he's done very well to take care of his personal ties with them. Bruce would be very happy with how Ron has taken his team to the top of Formula 1.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 09:10

    One thing about Ron is that he always has respect for his team's history. He knows McLaren did not start with him - it started with Bruce. And he's done very well to take care of his personal ties with them. Bruce would be very happy with how Ron has taken his team to the top of Formula 1.

    And one of the reasons why I dislike the way (ron) has been treated

  • Jon Waldock30/04/2009 at 09:49

    I have a feeling that bat racer hates me....

    Howdy all

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 09:55

    I have a feeling that bat racer hates me....

    Howdy all

    BATracer hates everybody!

  • Jon Waldock30/04/2009 at 09:57

    BATracer hates everybody!

    I seem to always do amazing (for a Renault) in qualifying, good setup, and then it goes and crashes me or make me break down. not impressed

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 09:59

    BATracer hates everybody!

    it hates my team mate for sure

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:02

    it hates my team mate for sure

    you sound like felipe right there. :D

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:10

    From JA's Good Week/Bad Week:

    Good Week for:

    Honda - Despite seeing the car it paid for winning three out of four races, the company says that ditching the F1 programme will help it stay profitable in 2009.

    How can that be if they're still funding Brawn as we speak?

    Then again, of course they'd never admit they're wrong...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:11

    From JA's Good Week/Bad Week:

    I was just going to link to that!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:11

    From JA's Good Week/Bad Week:

    Good Week for:

    Honda - Despite seeing the car it paid for winning three out of four races, the company says that ditching the F1 programme will help it stay profitable in 2009.

    How can that be if they're still funding Brawn as we speak?

    Then again, of course they'd never admit they're wrong...

    Aww don't get me started on Honda!

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 10:12

    How can that be if they're still funding Brawn as we speak?

    Do you think maybe the agreement is to fund them as long as they have no other income, so the more sponsors Ross finds, the less Honda have to pay out?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:13

    And Bad Week for:

    Sebastien Bourdais - finally beats his rookie team mate, only to find it’s because young Buemi had a bit of BMW debris jammed in his front wing for the whole race, meanwhile Bruno Senna is measuring up for blue overalls.

    I didn't know Buemi had BMW wing stuck on his wing. Didn't LeSeb gloat about beating him...?

    Bruno Senna as a midseason replacement? Sounds interesting...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:14

    I didn't know Buemi had BMW wing stuck on his wing. Didn't LeSeb gloat about beating him...?

    Bruno Senna as a midseason replacement? Sounds interesting...

    Le Seb is third most endangered after PIQ and FIS in my book...

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 10:14

    G'Day everyone!

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:14

    Do you think maybe the agreement is to fund them as long as they have no other income, so the more sponsors Ross finds, the less Honda have to pay out?

    Hmmm... That could be possible, but I always thought that any sponsor money they get now would be for 2010? And that Honda money had already fully secured their 2009 budget?

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 10:14

    Le Seb is third most endangered after PIQ and FIS in my book...

    Yes I would see piquet going first

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 10:15

    Le Seb is third most endangered after PIQ and FIS in my book...

    I would place him above Fisichella at the moment. Plus, Flav seemed impressed with Piq after Bahrain, so he may have bought himself some more time too. Perhaps Bordy is top of the list!

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 10:15

    I would place him above Fisichella at the moment. Plus, Flav seemed impressed with Piq after Bahrain, so he may have bought himself some more time too. Perhaps Bordy is top of the list!

    I would say above Fisi, but I'd still put Piquet at the top.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 10:16

    Hmmm... That could be possible, but I always thought that any sponsor money they get now would be for 2010? And that Honda money had already fully secured their 2009 budget?

    Could be. Maybe they've just found a way to write it into the accounts so it looks better, because it's no longer a going concern for them.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:16

    Le Seb is third most endangered after PIQ and FIS in my book...

    I would place him above Fisichella at the moment. Plus, Flav seemed impressed with Piq after Bahrain, so he may have bought himself some more time too. Perhaps Bordy is top of the list!

    Maybe... but I think it's time for some new guys to get a shot and TBH, I would not miss these three!

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:16

    Le Seb is third most endangered after PIQ and FIS in my book…

    I think he's even more endangered than Fisi, to be honest. But yeah, they're definitely the top 3 endangered species of F1.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 10:16

    Maybe... but I think it's time for some new guys to get a shot and TBH, I would not miss these three!

    Agreed.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 10:17

    Plus, Flav seemed impressed with Piq after Bahrain, so he may have bought himself some more time too.

    I'd say only a stay of execution though. I think it's a question of when rather than if for him at the moment.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 10:17

    Plus, Flav seemed impressed with Piq after Bahrain, so he may have bought himself some more time too.

    Just goes to show how easily impressed Flav can be I guess, still think the negative vastly overwhelmes the positive for Piquet.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 10:18

    I'd say only a stay of execution though. I think it's a question of when rather than if for him at the moment.

    Spain will be a big race for him

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:18

    I would place him above Fisichella at the moment. Plus, Flav seemed impressed with Piq after Bahrain, so he may have bought himself some more time too. Perhaps Bordy is top of the list!

    How times have changed. LeSeb has really gone down the drain for you, hasn't he?

    That said, JA said Piquet had a bad week:

    Nelson Piquet - got the dreaded ‘vote of confidence’ from Renault boss Flavio Briatore last weekend. In football he’d be out within a month. In F1, he’ll probably be out within a month too.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 10:18

    How times have changed. LeSeb has really gone down the drain for you, hasn't he?

    Yup.

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:19

    ok, hands up… who stole april? {Comment #1}

    Script Frenzy, in my case. The presence of three Grands Prix, which dominates three days of my life each time, didn't help either.

    So for me, the Office of Letters and Light (who organise Script Frenzy) and Bernie Ecclestone (who organises the F1 schedule) stole April.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 10:20

    Does Newmann Hass have a spare car?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:20

    Could be. Maybe they’ve just found a way to write it into the accounts so it looks better, because it’s no longer a going concern for them.

    That's possible. But that money is still being spent and has ZERO ROI, so I really think this is just a lot of spin.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:20

    How times have changed. LeSeb has really gone down the drain for you, hasn't he?

    Yup.

    I don't blame you - it's very difficult to like a driver that doesn't really do anything exciting.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:20

    Does Newmann Hass have a spare car?

    Maybe. It was to be Milka Duno's but she lost her sponsor.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 10:21

    That's possible. But that money is still being spent and has ZERO ROI, so I really think this is just a lot of spin.

    Wouldn't expect anything less from them, though :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:22

    That's possible. But that money is still being spent and has ZERO ROI, so I really think this is just a lot of spin.

    Wouldn't expect anything less from them, though :)

    The only thing that spins more than Honda is Takuma Sato!

  • Bluray30/04/2009 at 10:23

    I don’t blame you - it’s very difficult to like a driver that doesn’t really do anything exciting.

    He did cry though!

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:23

    I don’t blame you - it’s very difficult to like a driver that doesn’t really do anything exciting.

    He does exciting stuff - like stalling and stopping on track.

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:24

    15 years though. :( {Comment #2}

    F1 will never forget Roland Ratenzenberger. The massive safety crusade which (re)started after Imola 1994 is often attributed with Ayrton Senna's death, but the GPDA had already been re-founded the previous day on account of Roland's demise.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 10:25

    I don't blame you - it's very difficult to like a driver that doesn't really do anything exciting.

    I do like his glasses under the helmet wearing antics though :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 10:25

    McLaren mechanic on Twitter:

    "Lewis will be doing some filming for Abbey in a secret location today....!"

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 10:25

    15 years though. :( {Comment #2}

    F1 will never forget Roland Ratenzenberger. The massive safety crusade which (re)started after Imola 1994 is often attributed with Ayrton Senna's death, but the GPDA had already been re-founded the previous day on account of Roland's demise.

    And the president was to be ... Ayrton Senna!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 10:26

    And the president was to be ... Ayrton Senna!

    Fate can be so cruel when it wants to be :(

  • Sean Golding30/04/2009 at 10:26

    He does exciting stuff - like stalling and stopping on track.

    :D

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:27

    And the president was to be … Ayrton Senna!

    He was set to be assisted by Gerhard Berger, Michael Schumacher, and Christian Fittipaldi. Senna's death meant Berger had to quickly succeed him as president.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 10:28

    I am obsessively trawling through my entire mp3 collection to find a song I can in some way use to answer the killer question for the panel. Could be a long night.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 10:28

    “Lewis will be doing some filming for Abbey in a secret location today….!”

    Way to go, McLaren mechanic, now you've blown Lewis' cover! :P

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:28

    Look at the numbers who are dying from it and look at the number of people who die in road accidents. You have way more chance of bing killed in a road accident tomorrow than you are to be killed by that flu. How worried are you about dying in a road accident? Bear in mind you have run that same road accident risk very day of the year. {Comment #20}

    For that matter, at the current rate, you'd have about as much chance of dying from falling down the stairs on any given day as of the swine flu - and if you avoid Mexico until things have settled down a little, the chance of a stairs-related death is considerably higher.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 10:29

    Way to go, McLaren mechanic, now you've blown Lewis' cover! :P

    I prefer my twitter person, who not only blew his cover, but also put my name on the guest list :D sadly his twitter has been deleted so no more insider scoop for me :(

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 10:32

    I prefer my twitter person, who not only blew his cover, but also put my name on the guest list :D sadly his twitter has been deleted so no more insider scoop for me :(

    I think I am missing out on all this twitter dirt

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:35

    Driver parade didn’t happen at this circuit. {Comment #64}

    That's rubbish. The point of the driver's parade is so that all the fans can see them with their own eyes and not just through a giant screen - or so I believed :(

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:40

    “If the teams do not sign a new Concorde agreement and their payment is cut, Mr Ecclestone said he would not rule out acquiring more race tracks for his portfolio.” {Comment #92}

    Slight problem. Concorde applies until a new equivalent agreement is signed (through the wording of the 1998-2007 agreement), otherwise the FIA would have had no authority to make any decisions concerning F1 at all since December 31 2007. Therefore, Bernie could only legally halve the prize money if the teams agreed to it. Otherwise he's taken the short cut to F1's constitutionary documentation being thrown across the path of an unsuspecting Swiss civil court.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 10:40

    Could be. Maybe they've just found a way to write it into the accounts so it looks better, because it's no longer a going concern for them.

    They'll have written it all off now right?

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:44

    Next thing you’ll be saying you don’t like deep fried pizza or springs rolls the size of house bricks {Comment #120}

    My local chippie does some brilliant spring rolls that just about fit on a dinner plate. Somehow Mum always manages to sneak some fish and chips on there at the same time. I'd go so far as to say I expect spring rolls to be huge.

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:47

    We all missed the opportunity to meet Stuart at the ASI show. He was working for F1 Racing on their stand and none of us knew. {Comment #139

    I knew, the trouble was that with one thing and another, I never got the chance to talk to him...

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 10:50

    This actually reminded me how I found SPC - from the autosport forum. {Commnet #154}

    Originally, I got here through the blogroll F1 Fanatic used to have. Then I forgot about it for a while and then ambled in when the Sidepodcasts got married.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:00

    budget cap discussion time!

    http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_290409a.aspx

  • Dank30/04/2009 at 11:00

    Budget cap published: http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wmsc/2009/Pages/wmsc_290409a.aspx

    £40m from 2010

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 11:00

    budget cap discussion time!

    Dammit! I was just a few seconds behind you.

    http://www.f1minute.com/2009/04/30/fia-world-motor-sport-council/

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:01

    On the 1st of May 1994, the Formula 1 world cried.

    Oh God, it’s tomorrow {Comment #205}

    On 1st of May 1994, I saw my first F1 start. I was still trying to figure out what the really long word starting with Q was (I figured out the word was "qualifying" about three-quarters of an hour into the re-start) when Ayrton crashed and immediately knew something unusually bad was happening because I could figure out one word in five of what Murray Walker was saying. This still wasn't enough to figure out what exactly had gone wrong (this was also the first time I'd seen one car crash on its own, so I didn't know what normally happened to compare), so it was a surprise to hear on the 7pm news that Ayrton had died.

    The full significance didn't occur to me until a couple of years afterwards because at the time all I knew about Ayrton was for being Damon Hill's team-mate. As I got more into F1, I learned about the records he'd set, the championships he'd fought and won in and the understandably massive respect he'd earned.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:01

    Dividends (including any tax thereon) paid from profits relating to participation in the Championship.

    That is the crucial bit...

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:02

    Looks like we're finding out in June if USGP, Lola and prodrive are definitely joining us in 2010, looking likely with the maximum amount of cars being incresed to 26.

    So unless I;ve missed out on somethging, $40 million for all teams then, not any kind of 2 tier thing?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:02

    budget cap discussion time!

    That's a saving of as much as about £200million for some teams.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:02

    budget cap discussion time!

    Dammit! I was just a few seconds behind you.

    http://www.f1minute.com/2009/04/30/fia-world-motor-sport-council/

    teams have less than a month to decide if they want to race under a budget cap?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:03

    Looks like we’re finding out in June if USGP, Lola and prodrive are definitely joining us in 2010, looking likely with the maximum amount of cars being incresed to 26.

    I would think with the budget cap now officially set, we'll get something from all 3 soon.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:03

    So unless I;ve missed out on somethging, $40 million for all teams then, not any kind of 2 tier thing?

    Just just realised the word 'option'. Bah.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:03

    teams have less than a month to decide if they want to race under a budget cap?

    What if they choose not to? Two-tier system then?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:03

    I would think with the budget cap now officially set, we'll get something from all 3 soon.

    Probably, I just meant the FIA are officially announcing all the 2010 teams in June

    'The FIA will publish the list of cars and drivers accepted on 12 June 2009, having first notified unsuccessful applicants. '

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 11:04

    teams have less than a month to decide if they want to race under a budget cap?

    Also, how many are the FIA expecting... "having first notified unsuccessful applicants."

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:04

    £40m from 2010

    that's lower than expected.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:04

    Just just realised the word 'option'. Bah.

    So I wonder if some teams could run chaper satellite teams?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:04

    It was confirmed that from 2010, refuelling during a race will be forbidden in order to save the costs of transporting refuelling equipment and increase the incentive for engine builders to improve fuel economy (to save weight).

    It was also confirmed that tyre blankets will be banned and that the ban on other tyre-heating devices will be maintained.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:04

    Also, how many are the FIA expecting... "having first notified unsuccessful applicants."

    at £40m... loads!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:05

    It was confirmed that from 2010, refuelling during a race will be forbidden in order to save the costs of transporting refuelling equipment and increase the incentive for engine builders to improve fuel economy (to save weight).

    pah!

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:05

    It was confirmed that from 2010, refuelling during a race will be forbidden in order to save the costs of transporting refuelling equipment and increase the incentive for engine builders to improve fuel economy (to save weight).

    Booooooooooooooooooo.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:05

    'The FIA will publish the list of cars and drivers accepted on 12 June 2009, having first notified unsuccessful applicants. '

    "Sorry Mr. di Montezemolo, I'm afraid you haven't scored enough points or provided enough ice cream to your drivers. Therefore we cannot accept your application for the 2010 World Championship..." ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:06

    It was confirmed that from 2010, refuelling during a race will be forbidden in order to save the costs of transporting refuelling equipment and increase the incentive for engine builders to improve fuel economy (to save weight).

    Wow. Didn't see that one coming to be honest. I know it was mentioned, but didn't think they'd really go ahead with it!

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:06

    It was also confirmed that tyre blankets will be banned and that the ban on other tyre-heating devices will be maintained.

    I remember the hoo-haa about safety when this was proposed for this year, what happened to that? Have they decided its safe enough to have cold tyres?

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:07

    I remember the hoo-haa about safety when this was proposed for this year, what happened to that? Have they decided its safe enough to have cold tyres?

    bridgestone are working on it. but no teams are allowed to test...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:07

    Wow. Didn't see that one coming to be honest. I know it was mentioned, but didn't think they'd really go ahead with it!

    So another big design shake up for next year!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:08

    "The teams will also be allowed unlimited out-of-season track testing with no restrictions on the scale and speed of wind tunnel testing."

    even for budget capped teams. mid-season testing isn't coming back :(

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:08

    bridgestone are working on it. but no teams are allowed to test...

    considering that some blame cold tyres for Sennas accident, it could be a poorly timed announcement!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:09

    considering that some blame cold tyres for Sennas accident, it could be a poorly timed announcement!

    When those who did the research really know it was the steering column.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:09

    It was confirmed that from 2010, refuelling during a race will be forbidden in order to save the costs of transporting refuelling equipment and increase the incentive for engine builders to improve fuel economy (to save weight).

    About time! :)

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:10

    I didn’t know Buemi had BMW wing stuck on his wing. {Comment #278}

    Me neither. Suddenly Buemi's run looks considerably more impressive.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:11

    About time!

    Just thought about something - Q3 next year isn't going to be about who's the heaviest or lightest, it'll be more a case of who can go quickest with on a full tank over a single lap.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:11

    About time! :)

    Does this mean a return to proper qualifying? I do like the sound of that.... my opinion is still divided though.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:11

    bridgestone are working on it. but no teams are allowed to test...

    Didn't some teams test " cold" three earlier this year?

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:12

    Damn iPhone. Tyres, not three

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:12

    Le Seb is third most endangered after PIQ and FIS in my book… {Comment #279}

    At least Le Seb hasn't been given an ultimatum yet (unlike Piquet Jr.) - though given that Christian Klien lost his Red Bull seat in 2006 without warning and Scott Speed didn't get any before losing the Toro Rosso one the year after, that isn't much of a safety net...

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:13

    Just thought about something - Q3 next year isn't going to be about who's the heaviest or lightest, it'll be more a case of who can go quickest with on a full tank over a single lap.

    Presumably they will quali without fuel. There would be no point in race fuel qualifying now?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:13

    Just thought about something - Q3 next year isn’t going to be about who’s the heaviest or lightest, it’ll be more a case of who can go quickest with on a full tank over a single lap.

    Don't tell me they'll run Q3 on full tanks? Wouldn't they be better off running old-school light?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:13

    Just thought about something - Q3 next year isn’t going to be about who’s the heaviest or lightest, it’ll be more a case of who can go quickest with on a full tank over a single lap.

    Don't tell me they'll run Q3 on full tanks? Wouldn't they be better off running old-school light?

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:14

    Don't tell me they'll run Q3 on full tanks? Wouldn't they be better off running old-school light?

    Yay. Hope so

  • Bluray30/04/2009 at 11:17

    Will this make pitstop poker useless? Thereby forcing drivers to move up the order by passing and not by running heavy/light? Sounds too good to be true!

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:18

    I don’t blame you - it’s very difficult to like a driver that doesn’t really do anything exciting. {Comment #297}

    He does try to do sportscars and F1 at the same time, though. That's exciting in this age of extreme specialisation.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:18

    Wow. Didn't see that one coming to be honest. I know it was mentioned, but didn't think they'd really go ahead with it!

    So another big design shake up for next year!

    That means the big three will soon shift focus to 2010 and the normal order will be resumed next year!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:18

    Will this make pitstop poker useless? Thereby forcing drivers to move up the order by passing and not by running heavy/light? Sounds too good to be true!

    no. what it means is you'll pretty much know the race winner at 2pm on saturday.

    sounds awful.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:19

    considering that some blame cold tyres for Sennas accident, it could be a poorly timed announcement!

    When those who did the research really know it was the steering column.

    Or that he over-corrected after bottoming out due to cold tyres!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:19

    Will this make pitstop poker useless? Thereby forcing drivers to move up the order by passing and not by running heavy/light? Sounds too good to be true!

    no. what it means is you'll pretty much know the race winner at 2pm on saturday.

    sounds awful.

    Not if they use KERS to pass...?

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:20

    “Lewis will be doing some filming for Abbey in a secret location today….!” {Comment #305}

    OK, where's been closed off for filming?

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:20

    Not if they use KERS to pass...?

    they'll have kers.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:20

    no. what it means is you'll pretty much know the race winner at 2pm on saturday.

    thats what i'm worried about

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:20

    they'll have kers.

    sorry. they'll ALL have kers.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:20

    Or that he over-corrected after bottoming out due to cold tyres!

    There's a picture which clearly shows the steering wheel still attached to a piece of steering column lying next to Senna's car.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:20

    Not if they use KERS to pass...?

    They'll not only all have KERS but they'll probably all have the same KERS.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:21

    Not if they use KERS to pass...?

    they'll have kers.

    2005 was a good year and that had no tyre changes...

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:21

    “Lewis will be doing some filming for Abbey in a secret location today….!”

    My guess is he's flying high above Troy again ;)

  • Bluray30/04/2009 at 11:21

    no. what it means is you'll pretty much know the race winner at 2pm on saturday.

    Are you assuming that there wont be any on track overtake moves or even off the line scramble to the first corner with KERS?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:21

    Or that he over-corrected after bottoming out due to cold tyres!

    There's a picture which clearly shows the steering wheel still attached to a piece of steering column lying next to Senna's car.

    Maybe that broke in the accident though?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:22

    what it means is you’ll pretty much know the race winner at 2pm on saturday.

    they're racers, they will race and overtake. and remember, tyre stops are still in play, but those who take care of their tyres better will benefit, since they'll need to make less stops.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:22

    There's a picture which clearly shows the steering wheel still attached to a piece of steering column lying next to Senna's car.

    After impacting a wall...

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:22

    £40m from 2010 {Comment #322}

    That won't go very far. I expect quite a few teams to sign up to the cap and then break it, either accidentally or through sneaky accountancy.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:22

    Are you assuming that there wont be any on track overtake moves or even off the line scramble to the first corner with KERS?

    The thing is that this year KERS is important because some have it and some don't... AND... The ones who have it are behind on raw pace.

    If they were ahead and had KERS nobody would be talking about it.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:22

    Are you assuming that there wont be any on track overtake moves or even off the line scramble to the first corner with KERS?

    and i'm assuming that because i watched the race in bahrain. the aero changes haven't worked. f1 doesn't promote overtaking.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:23

    That won't go very far. I expect quite a few teams to sign up to the cap and then break it, either accidentally or through sneaky accountancy.

    That's what the dividend bit is for. Creative accountancy. Mark my words!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:23

    2005 was a good year and that had no tyre changes...

    they had refuelling.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:23

    2005 was a good year and that had no tyre changes...

    Amys biased view says: not a good year for one reason. Kimi at the Nurburgring. I'M NOT OVER IT.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:23

    £40m from 2010 {Comment #322}

    That won't go very far. I expect quite a few teams to sign up to the cap and then break it, either accidentally or through sneaky accountancy.

    There's so many exemptions to the cap that you know the teams will use some creative accounting to get around it!

  • Dank30/04/2009 at 11:23

    I bet demand for very clever accountants has rocketed today!

    Depending on how heavily scrutinised the books are by the FIA, wouldn't the larger teams be able to put some of their employees on the parent companies payroll instead?

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:24

    There's so many exemptions to the cap that you know the teams will use some creative accounting to get around it!

    how many teams do you think will sign up to the cap? all, or just a couple?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:24

    Depending on how heavily scrutinised the books are by the FIA, wouldn't the larger teams be able to put some of their employees on the parent companies payroll instead?

    And if you pay yourself all of Bernie's money via dividend you can do some clever things. Basically what you need to do is make your F1 division a profit center.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:24

    After impacting a wall...

    But it was proven that Williams had modified the steering column to suit Senna and that the evidence concluded the area it was welded back together failed.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:24

    There's so many exemptions to the cap that you know the teams will use some creative accounting to get around it!

    how many teams do you think will sign up to the cap? all, or just a couple?

    All of them, then being F1 teams, they'll use all the loopholes like the clever people they are to break it!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:25

    After impacting a wall...

    But it was proven that Williams had modified the steering column to suit Senna and that the evidence concluded the area it was welded back together failed.

    No it didnt actually - that was thrown out by the court in Italy.

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:25

    I've just noticed. Profits from F1 aren't counted towards the cap. Bernie once admitted that Ferrari gets £80m more than any other team for winning the championship. The budget cap is £40m.

    If Ferrari ever gets the championship under these rules, it will have three times the budget of most other teams before it even starts.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:26

    All of them, then being F1 teams, they'll use all the loopholes like the clever people they are to break it!

    You're not suggesting they would lie?!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:26

    If Ferrari ever gets the championship under these rules, it will have three times the budget of most other teams before it even starts.

    ferrari aren't going to sign up to this are they.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:26

    Depending on how heavily scrutinised the books are by the FIA, wouldn’t the larger teams be able to put some of their employees on the parent companies payroll instead?

    Anything the teams receive for free (i.e. they did not pay for) will still be charged against their budget cap.

    and i’m assuming that because i watched the race in bahrain. the aero changes haven’t worked. f1 doesn’t promote overtaking.

    yet we've seen more passes this year than by this time last year? Bahrain 2009 still had a good 1st half. Bahrain 2008 had even less passing than that.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:26

    All of them, then being F1 teams, they'll use all the loopholes like the clever people they are to break it!

    You're not suggesting they would lie?!

    No. Just bend the rules as far as possible. It wouldn't be F1 otherwise!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:27

    yet we've seen more passes this year than by this time last year? Bahrain 2009 still had a good 1st half. Bahrain 2008 had even less passing than that.

    one word... weather.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:27

    I've just noticed. Profits from F1 aren't counted towards the cap. Bernie once admitted that Ferrari gets £80m more than any other team for winning the championship. The budget cap is £40m.

    It's not quite as clear cut as that... The profits have to be paid out in expenditure as dividends. So not on racing.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:27

    and i’m assuming that because i watched the race in bahrain. the aero changes haven’t worked. f1 doesn’t promote overtaking.

    The new aero rules work. KERS works. The drivers just don't want to take the risk, that's all.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:27

    We will still get pit stops for tyres though surely?

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:27

    one word... weather.

    actually. you have half the field with kers and half without.

    as soon as it becomes the norm. we're back to square one.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:28

    I’ve just noticed. Profits from F1 aren’t counted towards the cap.

    Whaa? So that means they can use these profits on their team over and above the cap?

    Uh-oh. That spells trouble.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:28

    The new aero rules work. KERS works. The drivers just don't want to take the risk, that's all.

    rubbish!

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:28

    We will still get pit stops for tyres though surely?

    Some places yes - other places, possibly not.

    Monaco would be perfectly viable to run without stopping with a harder tyre.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:28

    my brother says: "not passing is a problem, this makes no attempt to fix it"

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:28

    I’ve just noticed. Profits from F1 aren’t counted towards the cap.

    Whaa? So that means they can use these profits on their team over and above the cap?

    Uh-oh. That spells trouble.

    Not a rule that favours Ferrari, surely? ;)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:28

    It's not quite as clear cut as that... The profits have to be paid out in expenditure as dividends. So not on racing.

    What they are saying is you can give all of Bernie's money to your parent and that not be part of your "expenditure".

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:29

    The new aero rules work. KERS works. The drivers just don't want to take the risk, that's all.

    rubbish!

    Would you risk passing when you could wreck the car AND get a 10-place grid penalty for one or two extra points? I wouldn't!

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:29

    Not if they use KERS to pass…? {Comment #364}

    KERS helps the defenders more than the attackers because of the point at which it provides power is on the straight. Most overtaking happens in the corners because that's where the most differences usually appear between car/driver combinations.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:30

    Some places yes - other places, possibly not.

    Monaco would be perfectly viable to run without stopping with a harder tyre.

    So we're actually going back to the 80s now? Without turbos, that is.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:30

    Not if they use KERS to pass…? {Comment #364}

    KERS helps the defenders more than the attackers because of the point at which it provides power is on the straight. Most overtaking happens in the corners because that's where the most differences usually appear between car/driver combinations.

    Just like in A1GP - P2P is used mostly defensively...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:30

    We will still get pit stops for tyres though surely?

    If you go back and watch 1993 for instace, tyre changes don't help that much

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 11:31

    Would you risk passing when you could wreck the car AND get a 10-place grid penalty for one or two extra points? I wouldn't!

    So how will being fat with fuel help that situation?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:31

    one word… weather.

    australia was a fully dry race, bahrain was a fully dry race. yet both beat their respective counterparts last year in terms of overtaking.

    actually. you have half the field with kers and half without.

    \

    true to a certain extent, yet button was able to pass hamilton in bahrain?

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:31

    Would you risk passing when you could wreck the car AND get a 10-place grid penalty for one or two extra points? I wouldn't!

    lewis hamilton did not sit behind vettel for half the race and trulli for the other half because of "risk".

    did you see him dicing with button?

    lewis followed because he couldn't get close enough in the dirty air. something the '09 rules was supposed to have solved. and hasn't.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:31

    australia was a fully dry race, bahrain was a fully dry race. yet both beat their respective counterparts last year in terms of overtaking.

    yes. and some cars had kers and others did not.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:32

    So how will being fat with fuel help that situation?

    it'll make you slower, and much more careful. or, you might say. risk-adverse.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:32

    But it was proven that Williams had modified the steering column to suit Senna and that the evidence concluded the area it was welded back together failed.

    Thats well documented as it was a request from Senna

    The most likely cause is that the car bottomed out - this can be seen on Schumachers onboard footage, at that point it was doing 190mph in the Tamburello curve - lost most of the downforce and understeered

    Senna corrected - as can be seen on the telemetry, and as he did that the car regained it's ride height and gripped sending him off the track.

    Telemetry shows that he was applying force to the brake and to the wheel moments before hitting the wall.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:32

    yes. and some cars had kers and others did not.

    And I'll say again... the ones that had KERS are slower than the others right now. That's the strange situation which is causing this.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:33

    So we're actually going back to the 80s now? Without turbos, that is.

    Good.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:33

    And I'll say again... the ones that had KERS are slower than the others right now. That's the strange situation which is causing this.

    and i agree 110%.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:33

    Good.

    bad.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:33

    Why does F1 need a new era one year after beginning a new era. Stop changing things!

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:33

    Monaco would be perfectly viable to run without stopping with a harder tyre.

    but there will be teams that will run softer tyres and make a stop and hope to get out in clean air. and because of the new compound rule, the softer tyre will usually be a lot quicker than the harder one.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:34

    So we're actually going back to the 80s now? Without turbos, that is.

    I personally feel F1 should be going forward, not backwards.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:34

    The most likely cause is that the car bottomed out - this can be seen on Schumachers onboard footage, at that point it was doing 190mph in the Tamburello curve - lost most of the downforce and understeered

    But it's also said the steering column flexed and cracked as a result of the car bottoming out. So in essence both the car bottoming out and the steering column caused the accident.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:34

    Why does F1 need a new era one year after beginning a new era. Stop changing things!

    also agreed.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:34

    Would you risk passing when you could wreck the car AND get a 10-place grid penalty for one or two extra points? I wouldn't!

    lewis hamilton did not sit behind vettel for half the race and trulli for the other half because of "risk".

    did you see him dicing with button?

    lewis followed because he couldn't get close enough in the dirty air. something the '09 rules was supposed to have solved. and hasn't.

    What about the three-wide stuff at the start?

    True, it hasn't SOLVED the problem but the cars can get a lot closer and they can use more of the tarck now...

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:34

    Interesting... Side note... Vettel... Coming man, man of the moment etc... Was according to Christinan Horner able to creatively save 2 laps of fuel at a crucial moment during the Chinese Grand Prix.

    A very useful talent to have under the new rules I'd say.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:35

    yes. and some cars had kers and others did not.

    In Australia:

    Button v Vettel v Kubica - none of them had KERS.

    Barrichello's fightback - he didn't have KERS.

    Toyota's fightback - neither of them had KERS.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:35

    Would you risk passing when you could wreck the car AND get a 10-place grid penalty for one or two extra points? I wouldn't!

    So how will being fat with fuel help that situation?

    It doesn't. There isn't a solution to this when you have a championship that is won and lost on consistency...

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:35

    What about the three-wide stuff at the start?

    loved it. it lasted two laps.

    then what?

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:35

    Good.

    bad.

    If you want to make up places after a stop - you will have to pass on the track.

    I don't give a flying fart in a high wind about putting in fast laps while the person you are racing is having a pit stop. Big deal - do those laps to get up behind and then use the skills you developed in the lower classes of racing to get past!

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:36

    Anything the teams receive for free (i.e. they did not pay for) will still be charged against their budget cap. {Comment #393}

    The trouble is that the FIA will be using assumed values and these are likely to be wrong. The moment a team doesn't like the value assigned to something by the FIA, there'll be big trouble in the courts. The FIA ones if F1 is lucky, real civil courts if not.

    Also, there is serious encouragement not to reveal everything received under this system. If it is unlikely the FIA will see a certain thing, it is to the team's benefit to keep it a total secret.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:36

    What about the three-wide stuff at the start?

    loved it. it lasted two laps.

    then what?

    Well what's your solution then?

  • lou30/04/2009 at 11:36

    *sigh* i really hoped they would forget about banning refueling. such a stupid idea :( hi btw.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:36

    *sigh* i really hoped they would forget about banning refueling. such a stupid idea :( hi btw.

    heya lou, how was the exam? :)

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:36

    Wow - 2 debates ongoing at the same time. I'll stick to the 2009 debate for now and just watch the Senna debate.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:37

    The most likely cause is that the car bottomed out - this can be seen on Schumachers onboard footage, at that point it was doing 190mph in the Tamburello curve - lost most of the downforce and understeered

    But it's also said the steering column flexed and cracked as a result of the car bottoming out. So in essence both the car bottoming out and the steering column caused the accident.

    Shenanigans. That's impossible!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:37

    Well what's your solution then?

    accept the f1 and aerodynamics don't promote overtaking... and... keep refuelling!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:37

    Well what's your solution then?

    accept the f1 and aerodynamics don't promote overtaking... and... keep refuelling!

    AHem. How would you encourage overtaking?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:38

    Barrichello's fightback - he didn't have KERS.

    Toyota's fightback - neither of them had KERS.

    The fightbacks are happening because... you have fast cars only slightly ahead of slow cars with KERS at the start. The KERS cars get ahead at the start where the KERS is enough to overcome the difference over a small distance. Then later the speed of the faster cars (double diffuser etc) means they can beat the cars.

  • Alianora La Canta30/04/2009 at 11:38

    It’s not quite as clear cut as that… The profits have to be paid out in expenditure as dividends. So not on racing. {Comment #396}

    But dividends to who? Also, remember every manufacturer is partly in for the marketing, so technically speaking everything could be covered by marketing or "car development" if a team needs an excuse.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:38

    AHem. How would you encourage overtaking?

    Let them loose on kers!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:38

    AHem. How would you encourage overtaking?

    in the pits. using strategy. i like f1 how it is!

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:39

    Also, there is serious encouragement not to reveal everything received under this system. If it is unlikely the FIA will see a certain thing, it is to the team’s benefit to keep it a total secret.

    Does this mean we're just asking for a Spygate redux? It's not necessarily espionage, but it'll be one of them dark alleys of F1. And as Stuart said, the only way this would be found out is if someone squeals...

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:39

    AHem. How would you encourage overtaking?

    they keep bring in these changes to encourage overtaking, but I refuse to believe that people don't overtake because "oh, I don't really feel like it today"

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:39

    AHem. How would you encourage overtaking?

    in the pits. using strategy. i like f1 how it is!

    Don't you want to see overtaking on the track?

  • lou30/04/2009 at 11:39

    heya lou, how was the exam?

    could have been better i think... but hopefully much better than my other history mock this week (was handed back to me with the comment - don't worry about it at least you've got the right style... you can work on the content). All i can say is thank god i have over a month until my history exams :)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:39

    Let them loose on kers!

    That would work!

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:39

    The most likely cause is that the car bottomed out - this can be seen on Schumachers onboard footage, at that point it was doing 190mph in the Tamburello curve - lost most of the downforce and understeered

    But it's also said the steering column flexed and cracked as a result of the car bottoming out. So in essence both the car bottoming out and the steering column caused the accident.

    Shenanigans. That's impossible!

    I shouldn't - but that made me laugh. :D

    I now have images of Stan, Kyle, Kenny and Cartman as F1 drivers - I'm not saying who is who...

    The steering column may well have been cracked - but it was still intact. So while being weakened, would still be functional.

  • Dank30/04/2009 at 11:40

    Just noticed that those teams that do opt-in to this budget will be allowed to go testing out of season for as long as they want. Kinda ironic that some teams have shelved their testing teams already and may find themselves doing a u-turn.

  • Bluray30/04/2009 at 11:40

    in the pits. using strategy. i like f1 how it is!

    Shouldn't revs and nerves decide overtaking rather than a bloke with a computer with the drivers doing nothing more than following calculations??

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:40

    I shouldn't - but that made me laugh. :D

    I now have images of Stan, Kyle, Kenny and Cartman as F1 drivers - I'm not saying who is who...

    Laughing at what exactly?

  • lou30/04/2009 at 11:40

    in the pits. using strategy. i like f1 how it is!

    i'm with Mr C on this.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:40

    Just noticed that those teams that do opt-in to this budget will be allowed to go testing out of season for as long as they want. Kinda ironic that some teams have shelved their testing teams already and may find themselves doing a u-turn.

    that's just over winter. they can use race teams.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:40

    could have been better i think... but hopefully much better than my other history mock this week (was handed back to me with the comment - don't worry about it at least you've got the right style... you can work on the content). All i can say is thank god i have over a month until my history exams :)

    well you've done it now so no regrets, justw ait and see how it goes :)

    plenty of time to prepare though, yay :D

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:40

    accept the f1 and aerodynamics don't promote overtaking... and... keep refuelling!

    Why not just hold the race as a series of pitstop challenges then?

    Pointless to go out on track.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:41

    The fightbacks are happening because… you have fast cars only slightly ahead of slow cars with KERS at the start. The KERS cars get ahead at the start where the KERS is enough to overcome the difference over a small distance. Then later the speed of the faster cars (double diffuser etc) means they can beat the cars.

    True, but Rubens and the Toyotas had to pass a lot of non-KERS cars too (the Red Bulls and the Williamses - and each other!)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:41

    in the pits. using strategy. i like f1 how it is!

    i'm with Mr C on this.

    Why don't you want to see overtaking on the track?

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:41

    Just noticed that those teams that do opt-in to this budget will be allowed to go testing out of season for as long as they want. Kinda ironic that some teams have shelved their testing teams already and may find themselves doing a u-turn.

    They won't be able to afford to pay test teams?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:41

    This might sound like a stupid idea, but what about:

    Everyone has KERS next season but for the start of the race, depending on what tyre everyone starts with, there's a screw or something on the side of the car which only the mechanics can get at that activates the system. So if you start on the soft tyre, you're not allowed to start with KERS activated, but you are allowed on the harder tyre.

    The reason I say this is because those who have KERS and start on soft tyres blast past everyone at the start. By regulating who starts with the system on depending on their tyre selection for the first stint, it might level the playing field off the start. But that's just something I came up with in my head.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:41

    Laughing at what exactly?

    You calling Shenanigans - reminded me of a South Park episode.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 11:42

    Why don't you want to see overtaking on the track?

    Why does it have to be JUST about overtaking? We see some overtaking and we some strategy and the mixture is what we like.

    If I wanted to see cars bashing past each other every five seconds, then it'd be all about NASCAR and BTCC.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:42

    Why don't you want to see overtaking on the track?

    I just don't get why the rules are changing away from a system at the moment that encourages on the track racing... what we have now seems to work very well with exciting races! It's just an unecssary bacxkwards step for the sport.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:42

    Everyone has KERS next season but for the start of the race, depending on what tyre everyone starts with, there’s a screw or something on the side of the car which only the mechanics can get at that activates the system. So if you start on the soft tyre, you’re not allowed to start with KERS activated, but you are allowed on the harder tyre.

    Once you come in for a pitstop, if you're switching to the other compound, the mechanic has to turn the system off.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:42

    Laughing at what exactly?

    You calling Shenanigans - reminded me of a South Park episode.

    LOL. A bad habit of mine picked up from the FARK forums ;)

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:42

    Why don't you want to see overtaking on the track?

    i do to an extent. however, we haven't got that due to the use of aerodynamics. until aero is removed from the equation, the fia cannot remove refuelling. they just can't.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:43

    Why don't you want to see overtaking on the track?

    What if there is none?

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:43

    If I wanted to see cars bashing past each other every five seconds, then it'd be all about NASCAR and BTCC.

    do ya think nascar need a doohickey?

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 11:43

    AHem. How would you encourage overtaking?

    Let them loose on kers!

    I agree, turn the wick up

    Hey, it may even be road car relevant, now there's a thought

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:43

    i do to an extent. however, we haven't got that due to the use of aerodynamics. until aero is removed from the equation, the fia cannot remove refuelling. they just can't.

    So what do you propose? Banning wings next?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:43

    me: 30/04/2009 at 11:43

    If I wanted to see cars bashing past each other every five seconds, then it’d be all about NASCAR and BTCC.

    do ya think nascar need a doohickey?

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:44

    Why don't you want to see overtaking on the track?

    i do to an extent. however, we haven't got that due to the use of aerodynamics. until aero is removed from the equation, the fia cannot remove refuelling. they just can't.

    It's not about the aero. GP2, A1GP, Indycars, F3 etc... can all overtake and they have aero. So why not F1? Because they are too scared of losing points and getting penalised for it!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:44

    So what do you propose? Banning wings next?

    if you really want to see overtaking on track. banning front and rear wings is the ONLY way to do it.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:44

    Because they are too scared of losing points and getting penalised for it!

    bull****. that's doing a massive disservice to every driver out there every weekend.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:44

    It's not about the aero. GP2, A1GP, Indycars, F3 etc... can all overtake and they have aero. So why not F1? Because they are too scared of losing points and getting penalised for it!

    You seem to be forgetting that in those series EVERYONE'S USING THE SAME CAR.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:45

    So what do you propose? Banning wings next?

    Someone here actually suggested that... was it Steven Roy? I'm not sure...

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:45

    if you really want to see overtaking on track. banning front and rear wings is the ONLY way to do it.

    Absolutely! That's what I've always said.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:45

    Scott Woodwiss: 30/04/2009 at 11:44

    It’s not about the aero. GP2, A1GP, Indycars, F3 etc… can all overtake and they have aero. So why not F1? Because they are too scared of losing points and getting penalised for it!

    You seem to be forgetting that in those series EVERYONE’S USING THE SAME CAR.

    Well...except for F3 anyway...

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:45

    do ya think nascar need a doohickey?

    11:22pm

    They're making a left turn!

    11:24pm

    Look - they're making a left turn!

    11:26pm

    They're making a right turn!

    11:27pm

    Only joking. It was a left.

    11:29pm

    It's started to rain - race stopped.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:45

    if you really want to see overtaking on track. banning front and rear wings is the ONLY way to do it.

    Absolutely! That's what I've always said.

    Bring back ground effect.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:45

    do ya think nascar need a doohickey?

    11:22pm

    They're making a left turn!

    11:24pm

    Look - they're making a left turn!

    11:26pm

    They're making a right turn!

    11:27pm

    Only joking. It was a left.

    11:29pm

    It's started to rain - race stopped.

    LOL :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:46

    Bring back ground effect.

    And kill all the drivers. Good one.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:46

    11:22pm

    They're making a left turn!

    sounds more fun than.

    - the start

    ...

    ...

    ...

    - race finishing order as it started.

    - podium ceremony.

  • lou30/04/2009 at 11:46

    Why don’t you want to see overtaking on the track?

    there is overtaking on track atm.. and yeah it can be improved, but there are other ways that aren't so dramatic. plus i really love the strategy aspect of f1 as well as the racing. I like that different teams use different fuel loads and you get the odd surprise pole. It adds to more unpredictability to the sport. I don't want to see a race where the winner runs out of fuel or something like that. Plus isn't it going to mean races are shorter?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:46

    And kill all the drivers. Good one.

    Exactly. Just what I was thinking there.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:46

    Bring back ground effect.

    I was going to say that.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:47

    - the start

    ...

    ...

    ...

    - race finishing order as it started.

    - podium ceremony.

    - race finishing order as it started.

    - podium ceremony.

    You missed Nakajima pulling off to the side of the road at some point.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:47

    Because they are too scared of losing points and getting penalised for it!

    bull****. that's doing a massive disservice to every driver out there every weekend.

    Look at what happens to Hamilton, Vettel, heck even Le Seb - why would a driver risk a contentious move and fall under the wrath of the FIA? two points is not enough of an incentive!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:47

    You missed Nakajima pulling off to the side of the road at some point.

    :D

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 11:48

    Look at what happens to Hamilton, Vettel, heck even Le Seb - why would a driver risk a contentious move and fall under the wrath of the FIA? two points is not enough of an incentive!

    Then surely fixing that would be job one, rather than taking away from what we've already got.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:48

    Look at what happens to Hamilton, Vettel, heck even Le Seb - why would a driver risk a contentious move and fall under the wrath of the FIA? two points is not enough of an incentive!

    look at button in the opening laps. look at rubens coming through the field.

    two points is an incentive if you're lewis hamilton chasing jenson button for the title.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:49

    Then surely fixing that would be job one, rather than taking away from what we've already got.

    Exactly...

    Have these people never heard of Science? Change one thing... See how that works and what the effect is... Then change one other thing and see how that works... Now we don't know what the situation is... Grrrr....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:49

    Look at what happens to Hamilton, Vettel, heck even Le Seb - why would a driver risk a contentious move and fall under the wrath of the FIA? two points is not enough of an incentive!

    look at button in the opening laps. look at rubens coming through the field.

    two points is an incentive if you're lewis hamilton chasing jenson button for the title.

    I'm not having a go at the drivers - it's the system that sucks.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:49

    there is overtaking on track atm.. and yeah it can be improved, but there are other ways that aren't so dramatic. plus i really love the strategy aspect of f1 as well as the racing. I like that different teams use different fuel loads and you get the odd surprise pole. It adds to more unpredictability to the sport. I don't want to see a race where the winner runs out of fuel or something like that. Plus isn't it going to mean races are shorter?

    100% agree with what is said here, I dont understand why the fia would want to take out the strategy aspect asides from costs sakes. We're gonna have shorter races with cars all mega heavy slowing them down and even if all cars have kers I dont think it'll make a huge difference with overtaking. At least with refueling (although now we can tell before a race of course) it adds a whole level of depth for every team to work out how to outsmart everyone else, instead of next year simply fueling up the car and hoping.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:49

    Then surely fixing that would be job one, rather than taking away from what we've already got.

    Yes the " nancy state" thing is a separate problem

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:50

    there is overtaking on track atm.. and yeah it can be improved, but there are other ways that aren't so dramatic. plus i really love the strategy aspect of f1 as well as the racing. I like that different teams use different fuel loads and you get the odd surprise pole. It adds to more unpredictability to the sport. I don't want to see a race where the winner runs out of fuel or something like that. Plus isn't it going to mean races are shorter?

    100% agree with what is said here, I dont understand why the fia would want to take out the strategy aspect asides from costs sakes. We're gonna have shorter races with cars all mega heavy slowing them down and even if all cars have kers I dont think it'll make a huge difference with overtaking. At least with refueling (although now we can tell before a race of course) it adds a whole level of depth for every team to work out how to outsmart everyone else, instead of next year simply fueling up the car and hoping.

    But you all thought the second half of Bahrain was boring - why not make it shorter?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:50

    Look, the fact of the matter is - there's never going to be a solution to the problem that everyone agrees with. Everyone has different opinions and ideas on what the best fix for better racing. I say we let this season carry on and then reasses whether on the whole these new rules have indeed been an improvement.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:51

    , instead of next year simply fueling up the car and hoping.

    I'm hoping the drivers I dislike run out of fuel. Might be the only interesting part of the day.

  • lou30/04/2009 at 11:51

    must go off to an ict revision session now :( (all flipping lunch time!) see ya later!

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:51

    I'm hoping the drivers I dislike run out of fuel. Might be the only interesting part of the day.

    hehe.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:52

    must go off to an ict revision session now :( (all flipping lunch time!) see ya later!

    see ya lou.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:52

    I'm not having a go at the drivers - it's the system that sucks.

    I happen to think you are totally wrong about this Gavin sorry. I think they do want the points they just can't get them.

    How many opportunistic overtakes do we see? Vettel and Kubica for example. It wasn't like Vettel fell foul of a new rule - although the FIA were wrong to apply it. He still did it. Bet he'd do it again. Kub certainly would.

  • lou30/04/2009 at 11:52

    But you all thought the second half of Bahrain was boring - why not make it shorter?

    i didn't think it was boring at all. no races this year have been boring for me.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:52

    Our POVs really come down to what era of F1 we grew up in (or if you're the type who watches old races, which era you love the most).

    Most of the older fans will like the refuelling ban because it helped promote great racing. The more recent fans won't like it because they love the strategy bit of the sport that they've always seen.

    Until we start racing in 2010, it will be very hard to sway opinion one way or the other.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:52

    But you all thought the second half of Bahrain was boring - why not make it shorter?

    I actually didn't. But I am strange I understand that :)

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 11:53

    I'm hoping the drivers I dislike run out of fuel. Might be the only interesting part of the day.

    Yep, just like in the 80s

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:53

    must go off to an ict revision session now :( (all flipping lunch time!) see ya later!

    see ya later lou.

    But you all thought the second half of Bahrain was boring - why not make it shorter?

    Im not gonna speak for anyone else but I didnt think Bahrainw as boring at all, it's all down to personal taste. If in a football match it become boring for the last 15 minutes would UEFA decide to make all football matches 75 minutes?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:53

    i didn't think it was boring at all. no races this year have been boring for me.

    Apart from China, where there wasn't really any "proper" racing going on because of the conditions, I've enjoyed this season so far.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:53

    But you all thought the second half of Bahrain was boring - why not make it shorter?

    I actually didn't. But I am strange I understand that :)

    you know what i enjoyed about the 2nd half of bahrain? the race between trulli and hamilton as to who would stop for fuel first.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:53

    And kill all the drivers. Good one.

    Exactly. Just what I was thinking there.

    Whereas there's never been any serious accidents from losing a wing. OHHHH hang on! That Austrian guy... Oh... what was his name....

    Ground effect works. Other race series use it. It's also not effected by closely following other cars.

    The only real downside is if the cars touch the ground - active suspension can sort that *but is banned at this moment*, or raise the minimum rise height.

    The FIA talked about maximum downforce levels at one point - how on earth would you police that other than having a mobile wind tunnel at every track with a large set of scales mounted in the rolling road?

    Removing the wings is fine, but you will need to replace the lost downforce somehow.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:54

    I’m hoping the drivers I dislike run out of fuel. Might be the only interesting part of the day.

    That happened a lot back in 1980s. But with computers doing a lot of the computation work now, I very much doubt this will happen too often.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:54

    Most of the older fans will like the refuelling ban because it helped promote great racing. The more recent fans won't like it because they love the strategy bit of the sport that they've always seen.

    The problem there is although we can go back to the rules of old, the cars are not the same. And that's why we can't recreate the past.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:54

    Removing the wings is fine, but you will need to replace the lost downforce somehow.

    why? why do you need downforce at all?

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:54

    Our POVs really come down to what era of F1 we grew up in (or if you're the type who watches old races, which era you love the most).

    I don't think anyone would want to go back to the extra wide road tyres and bath tubs filled with fuel era.... ;)

    My favourite one. :D

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:55

    why? why do you need downforce at all?

    So a reduction in power then as well?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 11:55

    I am interested that Journeyer dislikes the fuel strategy element when he is also such a huge Ferrari / Schumacher fan who used it so well...

    And that Mr C likes refueling but not Schumacher.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 11:56

    why? why do you need downforce at all?

    Because without it, you'd get many more repeats of the "Flying Mercedes" from Le Mans '99

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 11:56

    Our POVs really come down to what era of F1 we grew up in (or if you're the type who watches old races, which era you love the most).

    Very true. Have always likened it to James Bond. However, you can't bring Sean Connery back now to do it, it just wouldn't work.

    I think the same is true for F1.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:57

    And that Mr C likes refueling but not Schumacher.

    i dislike schumi for parking or crashing and then lying about it. i don't dislike him for driving fast on low fuel.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 11:57

    Very true. Have always likened it to James Bond. However, you can't bring Sean Connery back now to do it, it just wouldn't work.

    For a slow moment there you had me thinking what Sean Connery had to do with F1...

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 11:57

    I think the same is true for F1.

    perfect analogy

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 11:57

    Because without it, you'd get many more repeats of the "Flying Mercedes" from Le Mans '99

    No you wouldn't. That was an fundemental aerodynamic inbalance that has really only ever been seen in that car.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 11:57

    The problem there is although we can go back to the rules of old, the cars are not the same. And that’s why we can’t recreate the past.

    But how dissimilar are they, really? If you think about it, little has changed in the fundamentals of F1 from 1983 (the banning of ground effect) to now. Sure, a lot of details change, but the fundamentals are still the same.

  • me30/04/2009 at 11:57

    So a reduction in power then as well?

    i had no issue with the power output of an engine, so long as it's developed competitively and not to a spec.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:58

    I'm not having a go at the drivers - it's the system that sucks.

    I happen to think you are totally wrong about this Gavin sorry. I think they do want the points they just can't get them.

    How many opportunistic overtakes do we see? Vettel and Kubica for example. It wasn't like Vettel fell foul of a new rule - although the FIA were wrong to apply it. He still did it. Bet he'd do it again. Kub certainly would.

    No need to apologise. But if you want to improve the on track action, all you have to do is stop penalising the drivers for having a go, that's all!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 11:59

    Removing the wings is fine, but you will need to replace the lost downforce somehow.

    why? why do you need downforce at all?

    Are you Steven Roy now? ;)

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:00

    Are you Steven Roy now? ;)

    he has a point. the fia want to make front and rear wings movable. why not remove them completely?

    it's not like the cars can get any uglier.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 12:00

    I am interested that Journeyer dislikes the fuel strategy element when he is also such a huge Ferrari / Schumacher fan who used it so well…

    And that Mr C likes refueling but not Schumacher.

    Too true. But I really think that even in an era of no refuelling, Michael would still have done very well. Probably not 7 titles-well, but at least 4-5 titles-well.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 12:01

    it's not like the cars can get any uglier.

    And tell me who didn't like the look of those early cars in Bernie's collection?

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 12:01

    he has a point. the fia want to make front and rear wings movable. why not remove them completely?

    Back to the 60s then? Lotus 49?

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:02

    And tell me who didn't like the look of those early cars in Bernie's collection?

    very true.

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:02

    Back to the 60s then? Lotus 49?

    it's gotta be better than banning refuelling.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 12:03

    I'm really disappointed nobody has said that if they do this they won't watch F1 any more. I like it when that happens :)

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:03

    it's gotta be better than banning refuelling.

    No refuelling in the 60's. ;)

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 12:03

    I'm really disappointed nobody has said that if they do this they won't watch F1 any more. I like it when that happens :)

    :D

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:03

    I'm really disappointed nobody has said that if they do this they won't watch F1 any more. I like it when that happens :)

    i suggested i'd take the doohickey and go watch nascar?

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 12:04

    No refuelling in the 60's. ;)

    No wings tho

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:04

    I'm really disappointed nobody has said that if they do this they won't watch F1 any more. I like it when that happens :)

    it may well be that one has to take a break from formula 1 until the economic situation improves and common sense (and investment) returns.

    we shall see.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:04

    Back to the 60s then? Lotus 49?

    it's gotta be better than banning refuelling.

    No refuelling, tyre changes and loads of deaths?

    C'mon dude, that's madness!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 12:05

    we shall see.

    I think you said you'd leave if they ran with the silly rear wing didn't you? Can't quite remember.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:05

    I'm really disappointed nobody has said that if they do this they won't watch F1 any more. I like it when that happens :)

    i suggested i'd take the doohickey and go watch nascar?

    Yeah but have you seen how bad NASCAR is these days?

    Cars with strange aero that can't overtake, tyre problems, dodgy stewards calls...

    Oh wait...

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 12:06

    No refuelling, tyre changes and loads of deaths?

    Well the deaths were unrelated to the wings no?

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:06

    No refuelling in the 60's. ;)

    No wings tho

    Thats fine - I have no problems with wingless F1 cars. Some of the most beautiful ones have no wings.

    Everyone with Ford Cosworth DFV's again with equal power outputs and almost all with the same gearboxes...

    That sounds familiar....

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:06

    No refuelling, tyre changes and loads of deaths?

    did i suggest we bad carbon fibre? all i said was there will be little on track overtaking until aerodynamics are removed from the sport.

    do i want the wings to go? no... i like f1 how it is.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 12:07

    C'mon dude, that's madness!

    He's not suggessting steel frame cars and Armco barriers

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:07

    I think you said you'd leave if they ran with the silly rear wing didn't you? Can't quite remember.

    no. i think we said if they all run the same engine, that would be enough reason to find another hobby.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 12:07

    i suggested i’d take the doohickey and go watch nascar?

    will you get past darrell waltrip saying, "BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY! Let's go racing, boys!" ?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:07

    i suggested i’d take the doohickey and go watch nascar?

    will you get past darrell waltrip saying, "BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY! Let's go racing, boys!" ?

    I can't - it's funny once or twice but now it's just boring!

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:08

    will you get past darrell waltrip saying, "BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY! Let's go racing, boys!" ?

    can it be worse than legard?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:08

    C'mon dude, that's madness!

    He's not suggessting steel frame cars and Armco barriers

    He is, he suggested going back to Lotus 49's!

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:08

    He's not suggessting steel frame cars and Armco barriers

    I'd like to see gravel making a comeback though.

    If a driver goes of the track - he should bloody stay there! There is really no penalty for leaving the track anymore - miles of tarmac runoffs. :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:08

    will you get past darrell waltrip saying, "BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY! Let's go racing, boys!" ?

    can it be worse than legard?

    Uh, yeah, he is!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:08

    He's not suggessting steel frame cars and Armco barriers

    I'd like to see gravel making a comeback though.

    If a driver goes of the track - he should bloody stay there! There is really no penalty for leaving the track anymore - miles of tarmac runoffs. :(

    Hear hear!

  • me30/04/2009 at 12:08

    He is, he suggested going back to Lotus 49's!

    give.me.strength.

    must be time to sleep now. night all.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 12:08

    Uh, yeah, he is!

    now my head hurts :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:09

    He is, he suggested going back to Lotus 49's!

    give.me.strength.

    must be time to sleep now. night all.

    Good night - I hope you don't have any nightmares about F1 in 2010!

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 12:09

    He is, he suggested going back to Lotus 49's!

    Na, I said that in jest

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 12:10

    Uh, yeah, he is!

    Very. I told ya, Legard may be bad, but he's tons better compared to the others out there (or here where I am, as it stands.)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 12:10

    He is, he suggested going back to Lotus 49's!

    Na, I said that in jest

    Good.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 12:12

    I’d like to see gravel making a comeback though.

    If a driver goes of the track - he should bloody stay there!

    Didn't they replace gravel with tarmac because gravel means drivers also won't be able to brake when they slide onto it? And that would mean they're more likely to have a huge shunt?

    Remember that Heikki's shunt in Spain last year was in a gravel trap. Same with Luciano Burti's shunt in Spa 2001.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:17

    Didn't they replace gravel with tarmac because gravel means drivers also won't be able to brake when they slide onto it? And that would mean they're more likely to have a huge shunt?

    Remember that Heikki's shunt in Spain last year was in a gravel trap. Same with Luciano Burti's shunt in Spa 2001.

    The problem with gravel is that in the wrong conditions it won't slow you as much as tarmac with the brakes fully on. The really big problem is that it can flip the cars over if you go in sideways.

    It's exaggerated with the semi-flat floors they currently have though can cause them to skip across the top of the gravel.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:18

    Actually - the budget cap of $58.8 million

    What happens if the exchange rate changes dramatically? Like it did last year?

    Say... $2.1:£1 down to $1.3:£1

    You're screwed!

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 12:23

    What happens if the exchange rate changes dramatically? Like it did last year?

    I'd assume the exchange rate would be pegged at a given date.

    The problem with gravel is that in the wrong conditions it won’t slow you as much as tarmac with the brakes fully on. The really big problem is that it can flip the cars over if you go in sideways.

    Exactly. So it's always gonna be a give-or-take thing.

  • Maverick30/04/2009 at 12:24

    I'm loving the FIA's Q&A on budget caps:

    http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/f1releases/2009/Pages/f1_cost_cap.aspx

    Are you worried that F1 will effectively become a two-tier championship?

    There is one set of Technical Regulations and as always there are choices for all teams as to how they decide to attack the Championships.

    Two, no two, sets of regulations, have you forgotten already? Movable wings? No engine rev limits? Ringing any bells?

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:25

    I'd assume the exchange rate would be pegged at a given date.

    In the real world it won't be though.

    So something that could cost £1000 at one exchange rate could cost 50% more at the other. Which value are they going to take?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 12:26

    Two, no two, sets of regulations, have you forgotten already? Movable wings? No engine rev limits? Ringing any bells?

    One set of technical regs, divided into 2 parts - I'm sure that's how Max wants to spin it.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 12:27

    So something that could cost £1000 at one exchange rate could cost 50% more at the other. Which value are they going to take?

    I'm guessing they'll take whichever value is more standard/uniform across all vendors (whether £ or $) and convert it accordingly based on their pegged exchange rate.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:28

    I'm guessing they'll take whichever value is more standard/uniform across all vendors (whether £ or $) and convert it accordingly based on their pegged exchange rate.

    So the budget cap will be more of a guesstimation then

    Which team will be first to fiddle the books?

  • Maverick30/04/2009 at 12:30

    Who pays for the Costs Commission, auditors and other experts, and doesn’t this just add costs, rather than removing them?

    The cost capped teams will each pay an equal contribution to cover these costs.

    The teams have to pay for their own prison guards? :-)

  • Maverick30/04/2009 at 12:32

    What measures are there to prevent teams spending money this year on a car that will compete under cost cap in 2010?

    The teams must demonstrate that they have adhered to the spirit of the regulations and spend no more than 50% of the value of the 2010 cap on the development of the 2010 car (in 2009).

    That spirit of the regulations thing again? Do they never learn?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 12:33

    Has anyone worked out what the penalty will be if you exceed the cap? What's the deal? A fine?

    Maybe it would be better to run with the budget cap regs then go over the limit and pay the fine?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 12:34

    Maybe it would be better to run with the budget cap regs then go over the limit and pay the fine?

    Or take out how ever much you overspend out of next season's budget?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 12:34

    Has anyone worked out what the penalty will be if you exceed the cap? What's the deal? A fine?

    The Q&A simply says there's no fixed penalty, they'll deem it only on what happens.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:34

    The teams must demonstrate that they have adhered to the spirit of the regulations and spend no more than 50% of the value of the 2010 cap on the development of the 2010 car (in 2009).

    The large teams will have spent that already.

  • Maverick30/04/2009 at 12:44

    The Q&A simply says there’s no fixed penalty, they’ll deem it only on what happens.

    Make it up as they go along as usual.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 12:49

    Door buzzer going. :D

    That'll be the Pizzas

  • Maverick30/04/2009 at 12:52

    Cost cuts all round... Bernie wants to cut his costs too by only paying half as much prize money. You gotta love the soap opera that is F1!

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/59214646-3520-11de-940a-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

  • toxicfusion30/04/2009 at 12:58

    Is it just me or does the FIA's budget cap and rules go against what the teams achieved as a result of their meeting in January less testing and cheaper engines?

  • Mattw30/04/2009 at 13:23

    The teams must demonstrate that they have adhered to the spirit of the regulations and spend no more than 50% of the value of the 2010 cap on the development of the 2010 car (in 2009).

    eh?

    It's actually a good idea to apply some form of budget cap this year to prevent huge amount being spent prior to the cap, but 'sprit of the regulations'??

    Does this mean that no team must spend more then 50% of the budget developing a double defuser for next year?

    Out of interst - I wonder how many teams will spend huge sums of money developing a new car ready for the last race of this season?

  • Mattw30/04/2009 at 13:27

    The Q&A simply says there’s no fixed penalty, they’ll deem it only on what happens.

    That is bad news. There should at least be some sort of scale.

    Another little elephant trap for Mclaren perhaps?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 13:27

    Phew, it's lovely to have a bit of calm now :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 13:28

    Phew, it's lovely to have a bit of calm now :)

    Too calm though!

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 13:28

    Too calm though!

    I think we need a bit of calmness after the events of the FIA meeting :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 13:29

    Too calm though!

    I think we need a bit of calmness after the events of the FIA meeting :P

    It was a bit mental - everyone in here were pretty angry!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 13:31

    Did we fail to spot this within the madness?

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74950

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 13:31

    Too calm though!

    I'm still trawling MP3s, as well as trawling for pictures of Heikki from the Renault days (suddenly my hard drive feels.....dirty....)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 13:31

    Did we fail to spot this within the madness?

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74950

    sounds good.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 13:32

    Did we fail to spot this within the madness?

    I saw that.

    It was a bit mental - everyone in here were pretty angry!

    Just a bit of passionate argument - nothing harmful. :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 13:33

    I saw that.

    Maybe you did, but a lot of us probably didn't, for obvious reasons!

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 13:34

    Just a bit of passionate argument - nothing harmful. :)

    It'd be so boring if everyone agreed all the time. I like that sidepoddebates don't turn into personal insults like everywhere else :)

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 13:35

    I also only just realised yesterday was Martin Whitmarsh's birthday. What a boring way to spend it, hanging with the FIA.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 13:36

    I also only just realised yesterday was Martin Whitmarsh's birthday. What a boring way to spend it, hanging with the FIA.

    Wow, that must have sucked.

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 13:36

    It’d be so boring if everyone agreed all the time. I like that sidepoddebates don’t turn into personal insults like everywhere else

    One of the few places, actually, where F1 debates always stay civil.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 13:37

    I also only just realised yesterday was Martin Whitmarsh's birthday. What a boring way to spend it, hanging with the FIA.

    Maybe Max threw him a party?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 13:37

    I also only just realised yesterday was Martin Whitmarsh's birthday. What a boring way to spend it, hanging with the FIA.

    'Your team will have a suspended ban for the amount of candles that don't get blown out on your cake'

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 13:37

    Wow, that must have sucked.

    And the WMSC's gift was letting them off the hook. ;)

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 13:38

    'Your team will have a suspended ban for the amount of candles that don't get blown out on your cake'

    he did well to blow out 48 then ;)

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 13:38

    he did well to blow out 48 then ;)

    Bet he was bloody delighted to only have 3! :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 13:39

    'Your team will have a suspended ban for the amount of candles that don't get blown out on your cake'

    How cruel would it have been if all of them were them were trick candles ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 13:49

    For those who used to watch rallying on the BBC - remember this?! :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsYrhNMZa6U

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 13:50

    For those who used to watch rallying on the BBC - remember this?! :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsYrhNMZa6U

    Is that the 'rally report' intro?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 13:52

    Is that the 'rally report' intro?

    Yeah! :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 13:53

    Is that the 'rally report' intro?

    Yeah! :D

    Do you know what the song is?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 13:54

    Do you know what the song is?

    Erm...the song name's in the title of the video?

  • Journeyer30/04/2009 at 14:00

    Right, I'm off to the beach then. It better not be raining there. :P

    I'll see if I can drop by from time to time, but otherwise, I won't be around for the next 72 hours. :)

    Enjoy yourselves, kids! :D

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 14:03

    Right, I'm off to the beach then. It better not be raining there. :P

    See ya journeyer, enjoy yourself :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 14:05

    Erm...the song name's in the title of the video?

    Song name - it's called "Duel" or something isn't it?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 14:05

    Right, I'm off to the beach then. It better not be raining there. :P

    I'll see if I can drop by from time to time, but otherwise, I won't be around for the next 72 hours. :)

    Enjoy yourselves, kids! :D

    Have fun Journeyer, we hope to have passed you in the comments by the time you come back! :D

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 14:05

    Excellent blog by Jakey of the BBC F1 team in bahrain, lots of photos!! :D

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2009/04/my_bahrain_grand_prix_photo_di.html

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:06

    Song name - it's called "Duel" or something isn't it?

    It's a remix of a song called Duel by Propaganda called Jewelled.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 14:07

    Song name - it's called "Duel" or something isn't it?

    It's a remix of a song called Duel by Propaganda called Jewelled.

    Cheers :)

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 14:11

    Excellent blog by Jakey of the BBC F1 team in bahrain, lots of photos!! :D

    pink shiiiiiirts

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 14:14

    and Martin doing a Kimi, love it :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:14

    Guess we have that Sunil bloke for the great music :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:14

    and Martin doing a Kimi, love it

    It's not a true impression unless it's a Magnum ;)

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 14:30

    One of the few places, actually, where F1 debates always stay civil.

    They usually do, but I think today was pushing it slightly.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 14:37

    Guess we have that Sunil bloke for the great music :D

    On the subject of music, I was informed recently that the incidental music used when the Beeb look at the F1 calendar, with the animated cars in the background, is the same as was used during a cooking segment on Blue Peter.

    Recycling in action :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:38

    According to the little letter you get with the World Series tickets, this is what's going to be at Silverstone when I go on Sunday:

    Demos from the R28

    Race programme includes: World Series, Megane Trophy, Clio Cup and FRenault

    Special historic track demos of Renault cars from rally and racing as well as "record-breakers"

    F1 race simulators

    Pit stop challenge

    Autograph signings

    Chance to learn about Renault's developments in safety and environment

    Free funfair

    Latest Renault models and also used cars (???)

    Classic and performance Renaults on display

    They call it a motorsport festival. I call it a free day out :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:39

    According to the little letter you get with the World Series tickets, this is what’s going to be at Silverstone when I go on Sunday:

    The Sunday it's being held of course, not this Sunday! :P

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 14:39

    Free funfair

    Oooh, funfair!

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 14:40

    I am composing a song for the Killer Question. Refuse to sing it though :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:41

    Oooh, funfair!

    Goodwood doesn't have that, I don't think ;)

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 14:41

    I am composing a song for the Killer Question. Refuse to sing it though :D

    Oh go on, that would be an excellent debut :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:41

    Goodwood doesn’t have that, I don’t think

    It has lots of racing cars, sure, but what does that have over a free funfair? :D

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 14:42

    Oh go on, that would be an excellent debut :)

    I sorted my playlist by length, and tried to find the shortest song possible I could work with :D

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 14:43

    It has lots of racing cars, sure, but what does that have over a free funfair? :D

    Hehehe. I may be wrong but I think Goodwood does have stands with candy floss, and if I'm honest, that's the only reason I go to funfairs :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:44

    Hehehe. I may be wrong but I think Goodwood does have stands with candy floss, and if I'm honest, that's the only reason I go to funfairs

    Silverstone might have candy floss. I'm not sure, I only go there for the racing. :P

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:47

    I'm excited though, means I get to see the new Megane Trophy car! I love those things. "Meganes overdosed on steroids" best describes them. Absolutely mental! :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 14:57

    For those who don't know what a Megane trophy car sounds or looks like, check this onboard video. ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQlrq57GmWA&feature=related

    This is from 2006, by the way.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:00

    They usually do, but I think today was pushing it slightly.

    Agreed.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:02

    They call it a motorsport festival. I call it a free day out :D

    I call it the way things should be done for a race meeting :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 15:02

    Right, I need to quickly nip to the library to return some book. Enjoy the video and I'll be back in a while ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 15:02

    Right, I need to quickly nip to the library to return some books*. Enjoy the video and I’ll be back in a while

    ;)

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 15:15

    Hey everyone.

    Miss anything big today? (IE, anything, just literally come home)

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:16

    Miss anything big today? (IE, anything, just literally come home)

    big might be an understatement :D

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 15:17

    Miss anything big today? (IE, anything, just literally come home)

    http://www.f1minute.com/2009/04/30/fia-world-motor-sport-council/

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 15:17

    Miss anything big today? (IE, anything, just literally come home)

    Urrrrrrrrrm... welll... I guess!

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 15:17

    big might be an understatement

    They got rid of refuelling. Nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:18

    Hey everyone.

    Miss anything big today? (IE, anything, just literally come home)

    Yes, £40 million budget cap, refuelling banned next year and World War III on the daily post straight after ;)

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 15:19

    Oooh. Minimum weight up as well - didn't spot that earlier.

    From 605kg to 620kg

  • Chris from Ohio (USA)30/04/2009 at 15:20

    No Refueling ?? no more great pitstops ?? Whaaaa!! Bring Back INDY!

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:21

    From 605kg to 620kg

    I guess they need more weight for fuel, so 15kg isn't toooo much in the scheme of things

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 15:22

    No Refueling ?? no more great pitstops ?? Whaaaa!!

    I like this guy

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:22

    No Refueling ?? no more great pitstops ?? Whaaaa!! Bring Back INDY!

    Yay, Indy month starts tomorrow :D

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:22

    ooh the game of tennis I want to watch has been pushed back to 3am from 1.30, even I won't stay up for that ;)

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 15:24

    I guess they need more weight for fuel, so 15kg isn't toooo much in the scheme of things

    Except the 620kg is excluding fuel.

    So that'll be the KERS system then.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:24

    Except the 620kg is excluding fuel.

    oh god you can tell I need sleep, duhhhh

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:29

    I guess they need more weight for fuel, so 15kg isn't toooo much in the scheme of things

    Except the 620kg is excluding fuel.

    So that'll be the KERS system then.

    Didn't Scott link to a story earlier that had an interview with Norbert Haug, that said that mclaren had one of the lightest systems at 25 kg? So the increase in weight limit won't be enough!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 15:42

    Didn't Scott link to a story earlier that had an interview with Norbert Haug, that said that mclaren had one of the lightest systems at 25 kg? So the increase in weight limit won't be enough!

    But they can fit the McLaren system in now can't they. This just stops it being a penalty for the heavier drivers I guess.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:47

    Hmm, all quiet here. Did we scare people off earlier?

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:48

    Hmm, all quiet here. Did we scare people off earlier?

    can't talk, federer ;)

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 15:49

    Hmm, all quiet here. Did we scare people off earlier?

    Playing the very end of Metal Gear Solid 4!

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 15:50

    Looks like the teams might not be fans of the two-tier approach. AUTOSPORT has both McLaren and Williams speaking out against it.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:50

    can't talk, federer ;)

    Not a fan, I'm afraid :(

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 15:51

    Looks like the teams might not be fans of the two-tier approach. AUTOSPORT has both McLaren and Williams speaking out against it.

    And JAMES ALLEN has said Ferrari are against it.

    Maybe we should capitalise all news sources? I think everyone is trying to copy GMM ;)

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:52

    Maybe we should capitalise all news sources? I think everyone is trying to copy GMM ;)

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:52

    Playing the very end of Metal Gear Solid 4!

    Oh dear, you'd better get comfy - it's quite long an drawn out!

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 15:52

    Maybe we should capitalise all news sources? I think everyone is trying to copy GMM ;)

    I am thinking SIDEPODCAST would look better, but how would one convince Mr C of it?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 15:53

    I am thinking SIDEPODCAST would look better, but how would one convince Mr C of it?

    MR C you mean ;)

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:53

    I am thinking SIDEPODCAST would look better, but how would one convince Mr C of it?

    sabotage of caps lock buttons?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:53

    I am thinking SIDEPODCAST would look better, but how would one convince Mr C of it?

    His hands would explode trying to type it ;(

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 15:54

    Playing the very end of Metal Gear Solid 4!

    I loaded up a new game of GPM2. Too darn addictive. Taking Jaguar back to the top, with Tiago Monteiro

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 15:54

    Looks like the teams might not be fans of the two-tier approach. AUTOSPORT has both McLaren and Williams speaking out against it.

    Actually I wonder if this is McLaren and more obviously Williams basically saying, "we don't want anyone to not take the budget cap".

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 15:55

    I loaded up a new game of GPM2. Too darn addictive. Taking Jaguar back to the top, with Tiago Monteiro

    I can never get that to work without crashing :(

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 15:56

    Actually I wonder if this is McLaren and more obviously Williams basically saying, "we don't want anyone to not take the budget cap".

    I have a commerce degree I have never used, I am more than willing to offer my services to the teams to help them stay under budget :D

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 15:56

    I can never get that to work without crashing :(

    :(

    You got it on CD?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:58

    OMG - someone just walked by me on the train that looked EXACTLY like Catherine Tate!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 15:59

    I have a commerce degree I have never used, I am more than willing to offer my services to the teams to help them stay under budget :D

    That's because commerce is the new arts degree!

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 16:00

    That's because commerce is the new arts degree!

    Yep, pity I found out my degree is useless after I graduated

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:14

    accept the f1 and aerodynamics don’t promote overtaking… and… keep refuelling!

    No. Sort out aero. When we had no aero bits and no refuelling we had lots of overtaking. We don't need to try to find out what gives overtaking because it usd to exist so you simply create the same conditions again/

  • me30/04/2009 at 16:14

    Maybe we should capitalise all news sources? I think everyone is trying to copy GMM ;)

    for once gmm is actually correct... unless autosport really is an acronym for something?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 16:17

    No. Sort out aero. When we had no aero bits and no refuelling we had lots of overtaking. We don't need to try to find out what gives overtaking because it usd to exist so you simply create the same conditions again/

    I'm not saying anything cos we've already had this debate. We've already sorted out the areo and the only reason for no refuelling was that it costs a hell of a lot for transport, nothing mentioned about overtaking = no refuelling.

    What did I say about not saying anything?

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:17

    Everyone has KERS next season but for the start of the race, depending on what tyre everyone starts with, there’s a screw or something on the side of the car which only the mechanics can get at that activates the system. So if you start on the soft tyre, you’re not allowed to start with KERS activated, but you are allowed on the harder tyre.

    The reason I say this is because those who have KERS and start on soft tyres blast past everyone at the start. By regulating who starts with the system on depending on their tyre selection for the first stint, it might level the playing field off the start. But that’s just something I came up with in my head.

    That is about the most insane thing I ever heard. Why not have a randomiser attached to the throttle stop. So that every time the driver lifts off the throttle the throttle stop adjusts how far down the pedal can go the next time.

  • me30/04/2009 at 16:18

    What did I say about not saying anything?

    i'm not saying anything either. however, i maintain that the fia should prove that the overtaking problem has been resolved before making any changes relating to refuelling.

    so, nothing from me.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:19

    So what do you propose? Banning wings next?

    Yes. Gilles Billeneuve wanted wings banned in 1981 because he understood the problem

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 16:20

    Playing the very end of Metal Gear Solid 4!

    *cries*

    That. Was. Awesome. I hate ending these games, they get me all emotional!

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:20

    Bring back ground effect.

    And kill all the drivers. Good one.

    Brining back some level of ground effect is eminently sensible and not necessarily more dangerous

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:22

    Have these people never heard of Science? Change one thing… See how that works and what the effect is… Then change one other thing and see how that works… Now we don’t know what the situation is… Grrrr….

    Old school science Alex. Experimental design and Tagucchi mean we don't do that any more.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 16:22

    Yes. Gilles Billeneuve wanted wings banned in 1981 because he understood the problem

    But isn't banning wings immesly dangerous to the stability of the car?

    I won't consider my expert in the situation, but surely you can see when a team loses a rear wing, they spin off (Firman in Japan was it not?)

  • me30/04/2009 at 16:24

    Old school science Alex. Experimental design and Tagucchi mean we don't do that any more.

    alex was discussion the fia decision making process, right?

    you're advocating that max considers experimental design?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 16:24

    Old school science Alex. Experimental design and Tagucchi mean we don't do that any more.

    That's the second time you've agreed with the FIA! Scary ;)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 16:26

    I won't consider my expert in the situation, but surely you can see when a team loses a rear wing, they spin off (Firman in Japan was it not?)

    I believe this is because the cars weren't expecting to not have a wing... If you see what I mean. Quite different from being designed with no wing in mind.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:26

    Because without it, you’d get many more repeats of the “Flying Mercedes” from Le Mans ‘99

    That car had loads of downforce. No downforce and the car would have had enough suspension travel to deal with the bumps

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 16:28

    I believe this is because the cars weren't expecting to not have a wing... If you see what I mean. Quite different from being designed with no wing in mind.

    Yeah, I sort of realised that. But still be quite difficult to design a car going at those speeds with no wing surely?

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:28

    Too true. But I really think that even in an era of no refuelling, Michael would still have done very well. Probably not 7 titles-well, but at least 4-5 titles-well.

    Not a chance. The guy was hopeless wheel to wheel. I reckon he would have been lucky to win one title under 1960s or 70s rules. He would have been one of these guys who was mega quick but never quite made a habit of winning.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 16:31

    I love the way sometimes you think you're talking to Steven but you're actually talking to Steven catching up with you from hours ago...

    Always a strange sensation :)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:32

    If a driver goes of the track - he should bloody stay there! There is really no penalty for leaving the track anymore - miles of tarmac runoffs.

    I came up with the answer to that last year. Somewhere on the circuit you have a little lay by like a short pit lane. If a driver runs off the track on the next lap he has to go in to the penalty area and do a few donuts. So we get penalties that are entertaining.

  • me30/04/2009 at 16:32

    I love the way sometimes you think you're talking to Steven but you're actually talking to Steven catching up with you from hours ago...

    hehe. you know he'll get there though.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 16:33

    Good lord, I'm back from the library and already it's WW3 all over again about the regulations again!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 16:33

    hehe. you know he'll get there though.

    Absolutely. It's a dedication that is truly amazing!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 16:33

    Good lord, I'm back from the library and already it's WW3 all over again about the regulations again!

    Wouldn't it be WW4 by now ;)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:33

    The problem with gravel is that in the wrong conditions it won’t slow you as much as tarmac with the brakes fully on. The really big problem is that it can flip the cars over if you go in sideways.

    Also tarmac is great in the dry but not to much good when it has half an inch of water on top of it

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 16:33

    Good lord, I'm back from the library and already it's WW3 all over again about the regulations again!

    I blame Steven.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 16:34

    I blame Steven.

    Sensible option :D

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 16:34

    Absolutely. It's a dedication that is truly amazing!

    When I arrive at work in the morning I read through all the posts from when I was sleeping. Perhaps I should start replying to them all as well ;)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:34

    Say… $2.1:£1 down to $1.3:£1

    You’re screwed!

    It means teams are going to have to hire currency traders and choose suppliers based on the currency they price in. F1 hedge funds

  • me30/04/2009 at 16:35

    When I arrive at work in the morning I read through all the posts from when I was sleeping. Perhaps I should start replying to them all as well ;)

    how do you ever find the time?

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 16:36

    how do you ever find the time?

    the problem is money, not time. I don't have a data plan on my mobile!

  • me30/04/2009 at 16:38

    the problem is money, not time. I don't have a data plan on my mobile!

    hehe. i read every comment on sidepodcast up until this christmas and then, i had to throw in the towel.

    still trying, but mostly failing.

  • Amy30/04/2009 at 16:39

    Boo the Australian Grand Prix Corp has changed their sale date again, it went from April 21 to May 1 to June 8. I just want to buy my tickets!

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:42

    I am composing a song for the Killer Question. Refuse to sing it though

    You never know someone on the radio may play it to Heikki

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:46

    sabotage of caps lock buttons?

    Put speedtape on his caps lock

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:53

    But isn't banning wings immesly dangerous to the stability of the car?

    Not necessarily. If you ban wings the rest of the car design will change. If you just take the wings off a current car and try to run it you will have problems. People have run cars with the current levels of horse power before without wings and without modern tyres or brakes.

    My argument has always been that if wings had been banned the first day they were proposed we would not have people saying that wings were the answer. People tend to want the status quo regardless what that is.

    If we currenlty had global cooling rather than global warming all the people who today are concerned about the polar ice caps melting would be just as agitated about the prosepect of them becoming covered in ice and killing off whatever was growing there. We have no idea which is the best situation but there are people who are fervently in favour of one for no reason other than it maintains the status quo.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:55

    I won't consider my expert in the situation, but surely you can see when a team loses a rear wing, they spin off (Firman in Japan was it not?)

    That's is because they expect the rear wing to be there. If you drive a corner expecting there to be no downforce and there is no downforce it is not a problem. If you drive a corner expecting to have down force and that downforce disappears you have a big problem.

  • Kathi30/04/2009 at 16:55

    I am composing a song for the Killer Question. Refuse to sing it though

    You never know someone on the radio may play it to Heikki

    There is a Sanna Kovalainen from Suomussalmi on skype. Heikki's sister is called Sanna, isn't she?

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:57

    you're advocating that max considers experimental design?

    I am arguing that it is not necessarily unscientific to change more than one variable at a time. There are lots of classes running to lots of rule sets and historically even more. Experimental design in this case is simply looking at existing data and interpreting it.

    That's the second time you've agreed with the FIA! Scary

    I don't think I agree with much the FIA does

  • me30/04/2009 at 16:58

    There is a Sanna Kovalainen from Suomussalmi on skype. Heikki's sister is called Sanna, isn't she?

    kathi, i feel you might be taking this 'ringing up random people' idea too far.

    ;)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 16:58

    I love the way sometimes you think you're talking to Steven but you're actually talking to Steven catching up with you from hours ago...

    Hi Alex

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 16:58

    Hi Alex

    Hi Steven :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 16:58

    Hi Alex

    :D

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 16:59

    I don't think I agree with much the FIA does

    I don't think you do either...

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:00

    There is a Sanna Kovalainen from Suomussalmi on skype. Heikki's sister is called Sanna, isn't she?

    Kathi,

    Have you thought of setting up a skype detective agency?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:01

    I am arguing that it is not necessarily unscientific to change more than one variable at a time. There are lots of classes running to lots of rule sets and historically even more. Experimental design in this case is simply looking at existing data and interpreting it.

    Okay this is true. However it is very hard to see at the moment what the effects of the different changes are. And if we change again quickly, as they are advocating we will probably never know. And by next season we'll probably change everything again. It doesn't seem very scientific. It seems unplanned and random.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:01

    38 people on dropio and Felipe Baby now has 68 comments

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:03

    Okay this is true. However it is very hard to see at the moment what the effects of the different changes are. And if we change again quickly, as they are advocating we will probably never know. And by next season we’ll probably change everything again. It doesn’t seem very scientific. It seems unplanned and random.

    The way the FIA make changes is Max makes knee jerk decisions based on nothing and then makes a follow up knee jerk to that. I expect one day in the next five years he will arrive at the ideal set of rules then two races later knee jerk back out of it.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:05

    The way the FIA make changes is Max makes knee jerk decisions based on nothing and then makes a follow up knee jerk to that. I expect one day in the next five years he will arrive at the ideal set of rules then two races later knee jerk back out of it.

    It is so random. You can see it clearly in that they are not banning refuelling for any kind of improve / worsen racing argument. They are banning it simply to reduce costs.

  • Kathi30/04/2009 at 17:09

    Have you thought of setting up a skype detective agency?

    Don't encourage me!!

    kathi, i feel you might be taking this 'ringing up random people' idea too far.

    I blame Steven :)

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:11

    I blame Steven :)

    :D

    given that you don't have a mic input at the moment, isn't cold calling someone a bad idea?

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 17:11

    Evening. :)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:12

    I blame Steven

    I am going to need proof in future before accepting blame for anything. I blame Lou for this change of policy.

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:14

    Evening. :)

    hey dom.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:15

    given that you don't have a mic input at the moment, isn't cold calling someone a bad idea?

    Skype chat?

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:17

    Skype chat?

    it'll be a bit one sided without a microphone though.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:18

    it'll be a bit one sided without a microphone though.

    As in text chat?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:19

    I am going to need proof in future before accepting blame for anything. I blame Lou for this change of policy.

    As far as I am aware. In the blame cascade it now goes blame Bassano, who blames Steven, who blames Lou, who blames Mr C, who blames Christine, who then stares at Mr C, who then... I think... Blames Bassano.

    Steven is now merely a cog in the larger blame cog.

    Don't mention cog.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:20

    Don't mention cog.

    :D

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 17:20

    Steven is now merely a cog in the larger blame cog.

    I thought we were trying to narrow down who invented the wheel for blaming purposes.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 17:21

    hey dom.

    I see you lot are trying to make sure I spend the rest of the day catching up on the comments... ;)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:22

    Don't mention cog.

    The first rule of cog club is don't mention cog club.

    Try saying that five times fast!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:22

    I thought we were trying to narrow down who invented the wheel for blaming purposes.

    Sounds like a plan...

    We could blame Elton John and Tim Rice for "The circle of life" that's quite close to it.

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:24

    We could blame Elton John and Tim Rice for "The circle of life" that's quite close to it.

    they do deserve a lot of blame for that.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:25

    they do deserve a lot of blame for that.

    I blame Elton has a certain ring (geddit) to it!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:27

    I blame Elton has a certain ring (geddit) to it!

    He has been a-round a long time. ;)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:28

    We could blame Elton John and Tim Rice for "The circle of life" that's quite close to it.

    :D

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 17:29

    My Blue Peter expert from earlier also let me know that one of the presenters took part in an A1GP pit stop practice.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00k3731/Blue_Peter_29_04_2009/

    11:15mins in if anyone is interested. After some weird thing about dogs.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:30

    Just thought of something - why do Renault call it the World Series when there's not one race that takes place outside of Europe?

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 17:30

    We could blame Elton John and Tim Rice for "The circle of life" that's quite close to it.

    they do deserve a lot of blame for that.

    haha :D

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:31

    My Blue Peter expert from earlier also let me know that one of the presenters took part in an A1GP pit stop practice.

    this blue peter expert...

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:32

    this blue peter expert...

    Is it Christine?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:33

    Is it Christine?

    Or is it her imaginary friend called Franck Sebastien Smedley? ;)

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 17:35

    Just thought of something - why do Renault call it the World Series when there's not one race that takes place outside of Europe?

    Baseball World Series in America?

    Same thing.

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:35

    Is it Christine?

    i'm watching blue peter now, and it's the first time i've seen it in about two decades.

    i know that it isn't me.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:36

    Baseball World Series in America?

    So true. Although do they mean "World" as in the diversity of nationalities taking part?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 17:37

    i'm watching blue peter now, and it's the first time i've seen it in about two decades.

    Does that Matt Barker or someone or other still do it?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 17:37

    So true. Although do they mean "World" as in the diversity of nationalities taking part?

    I doubt it, probably mainly from North America and Japan.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:38

    I doubt it, probably mainly from North America and Japan.

    In that case, I don't get it.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:40

    Just thought of something - why do Renault call it the World Series when there's not one race that takes place outside of Europe?

    Because the Europe plus one series doesn't have the same ring

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 17:40

    Baseball World Series in America?

    They normally let a couple of Japanese teams in for good measure. I think one of them won it once, that really didn't go down well.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:42

    They normally let a couple of Japanese teams in for good measure. I think one of them won it once, that really didn't go down well.

    There are not any Japanese teams involved and none that could come close to win it. It is a domestic championship

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 17:45

    There are not any Japanese teams involved and none that could come close to win it. It is a domestic championship

    Hmmm, not sure what I'm thinking of then. I know there is a competition where some Japanese teams go over to America but I'm not sure what it is.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:46

    There are not any Japanese teams involved and none that could come close to win it. It is a domestic championship

    There was a strange thing when Baseball was briefly in the Olympics. America didn't qualify. They had sent such low end players because they thought they could still beat the other countries. They pitched it a bit low. Some people thought that meant America wasn't as good as Japan at baseball. But that wasn't really true.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:46

    Hmmm, not sure what I'm thinking of then. I know there is a competition where some Japanese teams go over to America but I'm not sure what it is.

    Football?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 17:47

    Football?

    Nope. Can't remember the MLS ever doing that mad a thing.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:47

    There was a strange thing when Baseball was briefly in the Olympics. America didn’t qualify. They had sent such low end players because they thought they could still beat the other countries. They pitched it a bit low. Some people thought that meant America wasn’t as good as Japan at baseball. But that wasn’t really true.

    I'm surprised Japan's national sport hasn't become drifting - they're mad for it out there!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:47

    Hmmm, not sure what I'm thinking of then. I know there is a competition where some Japanese teams go over to America but I'm not sure what it is.

    World Baseball Classic is the thing I think. Japan won it the first year.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 17:47

    There was a strange thing when Baseball was briefly in the Olympics. America didn't qualify. They had sent such low end players because they thought they could still beat the other countries. They pitched it a bit low. Some people thought that meant America wasn't as good as Japan at baseball. But that wasn't really true.

    Maybe it's the Olympics I'm thinking of then? I know I've seen Japan beat America at baseball at some point.

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:48

    They pitched it a bit low.

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:48

    Hmmm, not sure what I’m thinking of then. I know there is a competition where some Japanese teams go over to America but I’m not sure what it is.

    Just searched on Google "Japanese teams in america" and I'll I'm getting back is baseball.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:49

    World Baseball Classic is the thing I think. Japan won it the first year.

    Here you are...

    Early in 2006, Major League Baseball conducted the inaugural World Baseball Classic, to establish a "true" world's championship in the way the term is normally used for other international sports. Teams of professional players from 16 nations participated, and Japan won the first and second World Baseball Classic championship in 2006 and in 2009. Olympic baseball was instituted as a medal sport in 1992, but in 2005 the International Olympic Committee voted to eliminate baseball, and it will be off the Olympic program in 2012. Team USA did not qualify for the 2004 Olympics, and came in third in 2008. In the case of both the WBC and the Olympics, the USA typically does not field a first class team, as their focus is on the MLB regular season.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:49

    They pitched it a bit low.

    :D

    I thang you :)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:51

    World Baseball Classic is the thing I think. Japan won it the first year.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Baseball_Classic

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 17:51

    Here you are...

    That'll be it then, nice one.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:54

    Can I just say - IF I win the BAT game, I'm claiming it as a solo effort. Not to sound harsh, but Chris hasn't been around as much as I'd hoped. Sure, people have other things to do and I appreciate it, but all it takes it 3-4 minutes to sort everything out for the next session. I hate teammates like that who just leave you to do all the work...

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:56

    Can I just say - IF I win the BAT game, I'm claiming it as a solo effort. Not to sound harsh, but Chris hasn't been around as much as I'd hoped. Sure, people have other things to do and I appreciate it, but all it takes it 3-4 minutes to sort everything out for the next session. I hate teammates like that who just leave you to do all the work...

    How very sporting of you.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 17:56

    I hate teammates like that who just leave you to do all the work...

    Is it as annoying as when people say they're going to set up a game and then disappear?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 17:57

    Can I just say - IF I win the BAT game, I'm claiming it as a solo effort. Not to sound harsh, but Chris hasn't been around as much as I'd hoped. Sure, people have other things to do and I appreciate it, but all it takes it 3-4 minutes to sort everything out for the next session. I hate teammates like that who just leave you to do all the work...

    I haven't seen you remind him on here or anything though? I'm sure he reads the comments and may see you make a comment here and there perhaps catching his attention.

    ...plus the fact I'm only saying this because I want Lou to win the championship though >_>

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:57

    Is it as annoying as when people say they're going to set up a game and then disappear?

    that would be really annoying wouldn't it? and embarrassing too..

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 17:57

    Can I just say - IF I win the BAT game, I'm claiming it as a solo effort. Not to sound harsh, but Chris hasn't been around as much as I'd hoped. Sure, people have other things to do and I appreciate it, but all it takes it 3-4 minutes to sort everything out for the next session. I hate teammates like that who just leave you to do all the work...

    I won't lie, I did to to Ali, who I've said sorry to, but at times it can become boring and repetitive and those 3-4 minutes sometimes to me seem like 3-4 pressured minutes to do something. He might have simply lost intrested and to be fair, its a game in which you can lose intrest in easily.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 17:57

    Is it as annoying as when people say they're going to set up a game and then disappear?

    ooooh! :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 17:58

    Is it as annoying as when people say they're going to set up a game and then disappear?

    When did that happen again? And anyway, that wasn't my fault. The game deleted itself!

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:58

    Hmmm, not sure what I’m thinking of then. I know there is a competition where some Japanese teams go over to America but I’m not sure what it is.

    There are some Japanese players and US teams tour Japan pre-season but the World Series is just hte final of the play offs for Major league Baseball which has teams only from the USA apart from the Totonto Blue Jays.

  • me30/04/2009 at 17:58

    ooooh! :D

    i think she deserves a ping for that :)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 17:59

    Is it as annoying as when people say they're going to set up a game and then disappear?

    :D

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 17:59

    There are some Japanese players and US teams tour Japan pre-season but the World Series is just hte final of the play offs for Major league Baseball which has teams only from the USA apart from the Totonto Blue Jays.

    Weirdly, I just learned, that Japanese players must play for 10 years in their home league before they can leave and go to America. I suppose to keep the Japanese league alive.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:02

    How very sporting of you.

    It might sound harsh but to be fair I managed to win that race in Valencia with no help on the setup from Chris at all. So it's not as if I'm suffering as a result. Just takes away from it being a "team effort" if the other guy isn't playing his part as well as he could and should do.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:02

    Weirdly, I just learned, that Japanese players must play for 10 years in their home league before they can leave and go to America. I suppose to keep the Japanese league alive.

    I didn't know that. It seems surprising that they can be held to that. I wonder how long before Tony George sets up an American only version of MLB

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:04

    Weirdly, I just learned, that Japanese players must play for 10 years in their home league before they can leave and go to America. I suppose to keep the Japanese league alive.

    That's surprisingly sensible.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 18:04

    It might sound harsh but to be fair I managed to win that race in Valencia with no help on the setup from Chris at all. So it's not as if I'm suffering as a result.

    Then why are you complaining?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:06

    Then why are you complaining?

    I wasn't complaining as such, more like making a point.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:09

    I wasn't complaining as such, more like making a point.

    Sounds like Mansell syndrome. The whole world is against me and anything I achieved was because of my own efferts despite everyone being against me.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:10

    Sounds like Mansell syndrome. The whole world is against me and anything I achieved was because of my own efferts despite everyone being against me.

    Well my love of racing was started by a signed picture from the guy and a Facebook quiz tells me if I were a racing driver I'd be Our Nige, so... :D

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 18:12

    Well my love of racing was started by a signed picture from the guy and a Facebook quiz tells me if I were a racing driver I'd be Our Nige, so... :D

    Must buy Scott a fake mustache to finish the ensemble :P

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:12

    Must buy Scott a fake mustache to finish the ensemble

    :D

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:13

    I didn't know that. It seems surprising that they can be held to that. I wonder how long before Tony George sets up an American only version of MLB

    Having now read much more about it... Was just interested in how they would do this legally... It seems that the players are under contract with their teams and can't become free agents (and move wherever they like) for 10 years.

    Previously players had retired and then moved to America.

    However you don't have to stay for the 10 years as you could be bought while in contract which means you have to pay the club a release fee.

    Apparently:

    When the Boston Red Sox signed Daisuke Matsuzaka in 2006, he became the most expensive trans-Pacific transfer ever. While details remain undisclosed, several sources cite Matsuzaka as having received a guaranteed $52 million for a six-year contract (with elevator clauses potentially bringing the value up to $60 million), in addition to the $51.1 million posting fee that the Red Sox paid his former team, Seibu Lions, to release him.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:14

    When the Boston Red Sox signed Daisuke Matsuzaka in 2006, he became the most expensive trans-Pacific transfer ever. While details remain undisclosed, several sources cite Matsuzaka as having received a guaranteed $52 million for a six-year contract (with elevator clauses potentially bringing the value up to $60 million), in addition to the $51.1 million posting fee that the Red Sox paid his former team, Seibu Lions, to release him.

    $100million dollars just for one player?! Mind you, it's just as bad in football...

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:19

    $100million dollars just for one player?! Mind you, it's just as bad in football...

    The most expensive footballer was £46 million (Zidane) which still falls short of that baseball record.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:20

    The most expensive footballer was £46 million (Zidane) which still falls short of that baseball record.

    How much is Kimi?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:20

    $100million dollars just for one player?! Mind you, it's just as bad in football...

    I think Basketball is the most expensive from memory

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:20

    How much is Kimi?

    Preicelss ;)

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 18:21

    How much is Kimi?

    Couple of magnums and a pair of shorts should tempt him. Chuck flip flops in and you've got a deal m'friend.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:21

    $100million dollars just for one player?! Mind you, it's just as bad in football...

    Baseball spends an awful lot more on players than football does.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 18:21

    I think Basketball is the most expensive from memory

    I could swear it was baseball. But thats like being paid £20 million for cricket.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:23

    I could swear it was baseball. But thats like being paid £20 million for cricket.

    Looks to be tied at the moment...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p002vzm0/Lisa_McCormick_29_04_2009/

    Schumi down in 7th!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:26

    Looks to be tied at the moment...

    That sheet is confusing because it's contracts totals listed but it's rating them in order of per year basis.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 18:26

    That sheet is confusing because it's contracts totals listed but it's rating them in order of per year basis.

    I'm getting the BBC Tees link

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 18:26
  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:27

    That sheet is confusing because it's contracts totals listed but it's rating them in order of per year basis.

    Even more confusing with it being a link to iPlayer.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:27

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 16:20

    Playing the very end of Metal Gear Solid 4!

    *cries*

    That. Was. Awesome. I hate ending these games, they get me all emotional!

    That was a silly and well drawn out ending. Stoopid!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:28

    Even more confusing with it being a link to iPlayer.

    Oh dear... I am stupid...

    http://www.businesspundit.com/25-biggest-and-most-expensive-sports-contracts-ever-signed/

    Although I am now even more confused with that page...

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 18:29

    That was a silly and well drawn out ending. Stoopid!

    it was BRILLIANT!

    Ok, fair enough, It may have been about 80 minutes long but brilliant brilliant brilliant. Loved it. :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:29

    Alex Andronov: 30/04/2009 at 16:31

    I love the way sometimes you think you’re talking to Steven but you’re actually talking to Steven catching up with you from hours ago…

    Always a strange sensation

    It's called "post trawling". I am doing it now. Hi everybody from 16:31pm! :)

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:29

    That was a silly and well drawn out ending. Stoopid!

    I'd rather watch a film personally.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 18:29

    Oh dear... I am stupid...

    Welcome to the club

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:30

    That was a silly and well drawn out ending. Stoopid!

    I loved MGS2 but I watched the first level of MGS4 on YT and stopped after about halfway through. The cutscene to gameplay ratio must have been 10:1. Ridiculous.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 18:31

    Looks to be tied at the moment...

    You do also realise its in descending order, so its like Schumi is 18th

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:31

    If we currenlty had global cooling rather than global warming all the people who today are concerned about the polar ice caps melting would be just as agitated about the prosepect of them becoming covered in ice and killing off whatever was growing there. We have no idea which is the best situation but there are people who are fervently in favour of one for no reason other than it maintains the status quo.

    Yay for a Global Warming rant!

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:31

    http://www.businesspundit.com/25-biggest-and-most-expensive-sports-contracts-ever-signed/

    I knew there would be a lot of basketball players in there but I didn't expect that many. Surprised Payton Manning is as high as he is.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 18:32

    Although I am now even more confused with that page...

    They have also put a picture of Felipe for Kimi's contract?

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:32

    It's called "post trawling". I am doing it now. Hi everybody from 16:31pm! :)

    It's like time travel. You can arrive and say something and someone can reply but the reply doesn't get heard till much later.

    Douglas Adams had it right though. Time travel is impossible. THe reason it is impossible is grammar.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:33

    If we currenlty had global cooling rather than global warming all the people who today are concerned about the polar ice caps melting would be just as agitated about the prosepect of them becoming covered in ice and killing off whatever was growing there. We have no idea which is the best situation but there are people who are fervently in favour of one for no reason other than it maintains the status quo.

    An interesting viewpoint. Completely wrong, but interesting all the same :P

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:33

    Amazed that Giambi is number one. He is not even that good.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:33

    Scott Woodwiss: 30/04/2009 at 17:30

    Just thought of something - why do Renault call it the World Series when there’s not one race that takes place outside of Europe?

    Baseball World Series?

    There's a Kiwi driver in it, so you have both ends of the earth there with the European drivers...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:34

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 17:45

    There are not any Japanese teams involved and none that could come close to win it. It is a domestic championship

    Hmmm, not sure what I’m thinking of then. I know there is a competition where some Japanese teams go over to America but I’m not sure what it is.

    D1 Grand Prix?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:34

    D1 Grand Prix?

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:35

    Scott Woodwiss: 30/04/2009 at 17:47

    There was a strange thing when Baseball was briefly in the Olympics. America didn’t qualify. They had sent such low end players because they thought they could still beat the other countries. They pitched it a bit low. Some people thought that meant America wasn’t as good as Japan at baseball. But that wasn’t really true.

    I’m surprised Japan’s national sport hasn’t become drifting - they’re mad for it out there!

    Well that explains the driving standard of Sato, Ide and Nakajima!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:35

    D1 Grand Prix?

    That is an epic series to be honest.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:36

    Amazed that Giambi is number one. He is not even that good.

    The list is in reverse. I am still amazed that he is on the list

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:37

    Alex Andronov: 30/04/2009 at 17:56

    Can I just say - IF I win the BAT game, I’m claiming it as a solo effort. Not to sound harsh, but Chris hasn’t been around as much as I’d hoped. Sure, people have other things to do and I appreciate it, but all it takes it 3-4 minutes to sort everything out for the next session. I hate teammates like that who just leave you to do all the work…

    How very sporting of you.

    Indeed. You sound like Alonso now!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:37

    me: 30/04/2009 at 17:57

    Is it as annoying as when people say they’re going to set up a game and then disappear?

    that would be really annoying wouldn’t it? and embarrassing too..

    That reminds me ... when shall we look at the MarioKart tourney? Are all those who were keen and didn't have a copy got one now, etc?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:38

    RG - I know its 2009: 30/04/2009 at 17:57

    Can I just say - IF I win the BAT game, I’m claiming it as a solo effort. Not to sound harsh, but Chris hasn’t been around as much as I’d hoped. Sure, people have other things to do and I appreciate it, but all it takes it 3-4 minutes to sort everything out for the next session. I hate teammates like that who just leave you to do all the work…

    I won’t lie, I did to to Ali, who I’ve said sorry to, but at times it can become boring and repetitive and those 3-4 minutes sometimes to me seem like 3-4 pressured minutes to do something. He might have simply lost intrested and to be fair, its a game in which you can lose intrest in easily.

    Indeed. Effort that isn't rewarded. Too random for me.

    But Scott, that's very unsportsmanlike to say what you said. You should have taken it up with your team mate and not aired it out in public...

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:40

    But Scott, that's very unsportsmanlike to say what you said. You should have taken it up with your team mate and not aired it out in public...

    He's just getting into the true F1 spirit :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 18:40

    He's just getting into the true F1 spirit

    Yep, that's it! :D

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:42

    That reminds me ... when shall we look at the MarioKart tourney? Are all those who were keen and didn't have a copy got one now, etc?

    I have it..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:43

    Steven Roy: 30/04/2009 at 18:09

    I wasn’t complaining as such, more like making a point.

    Sounds like Mansell syndrome. The whole world is against me and anything I achieved was because of my own efferts despite everyone being against me.

    Ping!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:43

    Scott Woodwiss: 30/04/2009 at 18:10

    Sounds like Mansell syndrome. The whole world is against me and anything I achieved was because of my own efferts despite everyone being against me.

    Well my love of racing was started by a signed picture from the guy and a Facebook quiz tells me if I were a racing driver I’d be Our Nige, so…

    Yeah we know!

  • me30/04/2009 at 18:44

    That reminds me ... when shall we look at the MarioKart tourney? Are all those who were keen and didn't have a copy got one now, etc?

    we're gonna pass at the moment, cheers. just too busy.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:45

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 18:33

    If we currenlty had global cooling rather than global warming all the people who today are concerned about the polar ice caps melting would be just as agitated about the prosepect of them becoming covered in ice and killing off whatever was growing there. We have no idea which is the best situation but there are people who are fervently in favour of one for no reason other than it maintains the status quo.

    An interesting viewpoint. Completely wrong, but interesting all the same

    Ah - a typical Global warming argument. You're right, we're wrong and we must be evil kitten eating heretics for trying to sort out the actual science.

    It's worse than religion, I tell ya!

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:45

    we're gonna pass at the moment, cheers. just too busy.

    Me too. Give it a month and I'll be well up for it though.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:46

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 19:45:46

    we're gonna pass at the moment, cheers. just too busy.

    Me too. Give it a month and I'll be well up for it though.

    Maybe in a month then, so as not to distract those with exams.

    Phew! Caught up now!

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 18:47

    Me too. Give it a month and I'll be well up for it though.

    Hmm, I've got it, now until after the 25th is bad for me with exams and my trip to Cardiff.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 18:47

    Hmm, I've got it, now until after the 25th is bad for me with exams and my trip to Cardiff.

    25th June that is

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 18:47

    Maybe in a month then, so as not to distract those with exams.

    Sounds good, I realised yesterday I have a pretty horrid May myself :(

    May 30th though it's all over till october, woot!

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:47

    Ah - a typical Global warming argument. You're right, we're wrong and we must be evil kitten eating heretics for trying to sort out the actual science.

    I'm not writing this from up a tree at the end of a runway you know :P

    To say it's all about nothing more than maintaining the status quo is nonsense though.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:49

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 19:47:54

    Ah - a typical Global warming argument. You're right, we're wrong and we must be evil kitten eating heretics for trying to sort out the actual science.

    I'm not writing this from up a tree at the end of a runway you know

    To say it's all about nothing more than maintaining the status quo is nonsense though.

    Oh absolutely. But let us question the science, even if we agree that we should be changing our ways!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:49

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 19:47:41

    Maybe in a month then, so as not to distract those with exams.

    Sounds good, I realised yesterday I have a pretty horrid May myself

    May 30th though it's all over till october, woot!

    Righto, June it is then!

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:52

    Oh absolutely. But let us question the science, even if we agree that we should be changing our ways!

    But how long do we sit around questioning the science for while things keep getting worse?

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:54

    To say it's all about nothing more than maintaining the status quo is nonsense though.

    Not what I said. What I said is in any situation there will be people who will argue vehemently to amintain the status quo regardless of whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.

    Global warming has other apects to it which are never considered. If we raise the temperature of the planet we get a much wetter climate all round. People in Africa are dying every year due to drought so a wetter climate seems like a good thing.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:54

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 19:52:20

    Oh absolutely. But let us question the science, even if we agree that we should be changing our ways!

    But how long do we sit around questioning the science for while things keep getting worse?

    We don't. We change our overconsuming, polluting and wasteful ways anyway.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 18:55

    But how long do we sit around questioning the science for while things keep getting worse?

    That is a religious argument. We should believe in god and hope he exists rather than prove he does not.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:57

    We don't. We change our overconsuming, polluting and wasteful ways anyway.

    That's the problem though, a lot of people, politicians in particular, try to ignore the problem by saying more research is needed.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 18:57

    That is a religious argument. We should believe in god and hope he exists rather than prove he does not.

    God isn't destroying the planet though.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:58

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 19:57:02

    We don't. We change our overconsuming, polluting and wasteful ways anyway.

    That's the problem though, a lot of people, politicians in particular, try to ignore the problem by saying more research is needed.

    A politician will always say that about everything!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 18:58

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 19:57:55

    That is a religious argument. We should believe in god and hope he exists rather than prove he does not.

    God isn't destroying the planet though.

    Ah but how do you know? ;)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 18:58

    Global warming has other apects to it which are never considered. If we raise the temperature of the planet we get a much wetter climate all round. People in Africa are dying every year due to drought so a wetter climate seems like a good thing.

    Can I ask people to not get into another war here today?

    Pretty please :)

  • me30/04/2009 at 18:59

    God isn't destroying the planet though.

    surely that depends on your beliefs?

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 18:59

    Can I ask people to not get into another war here today?

    I was just thinking that!

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:00

    Can I ask people to not get into another war here today?

    :D

    in other news. we have an annoying-hickey update on it's way later today. this one sleeps.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 19:00

    I was just thinking that!

    I would say

    'No more wars or I'LL KILL SOMEONE'

    But that defeats the point I think..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:01

    RG - I know its 2009: 30/04/2009 at 20:00:31

    I was just thinking that!

    I would say

    'No more wars or I'LL KILL SOMEONE'

    But that defeats the point I think..

    What does the trouser pythobn guy say in the end cut scene of MGS4?

    Something about being the children of war so the next generation can be the children of peace?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:02

    in other news. we have an annoying-hickey update on it's way later today. this one sleeps.

    oooh! Doosleepy! :D

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 19:02

    God isn't destroying the planet though.

    Because he doesn't exist

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 19:02

    in other news. we have an annoying-hickey update on it's way later today. this one sleeps.

    Sleepy-hickey?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:02

    me: 30/04/2009 at 20:00:26

    Can I ask people to not get into another war here today?

    in other news. we have an annoying-hickey update on it's way later today. this one sleeps.

    What's that again in English?

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:02

    oooh! Doosleepy! :D

    awww!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:03

    Steven Roy: 30/04/2009 at 19:02

    God isn’t destroying the planet though.

    Because he doesn’t exist

    No, he died 15 years ago tomorrow...

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:03

    What's that again in English?

    doohickey is being updated so that it turns itself off if you leave it alone long enough.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 19:03

    What's that again in English?

    It sleeps instead of polling all night when no-one is in front of their computer.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:03

    me: 30/04/2009 at 20:03:18

    What's that again in English?

    doohickey is being updated so that it turns itself off if you leave it alone long enough.

    cool!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 19:03

    No, he died 15 years ago tomorrow...

    :(

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:04

    Global warming has other apects to it which are never considered. If we raise the temperature of the planet we get a much wetter climate all round. People in Africa are dying every year due to drought so a wetter climate seems like a good thing.

    That's a very optimistic view, but sadly the positives are massively outweighed by the negatives.

    Can I ask people to not get into another war here today?

    I don't think this is hostile at all but please say if you think it's getting that way!

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 19:05

    No, he died 15 years ago tomorrow...

    It took me a few moments. :(

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 19:06

    Just a small suggestion here, but I was thinking last night that there could be a 3 minute silence in the comments in respect of Ayrton (one minute for each of his championships). But it was just something that popped into my head so I don't know how people would feel about it. Whatever happens, I'll be paying my respects.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 19:07

    No, he died 15 years ago tomorrow...

    He thought he was god. That is a bit different

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 19:07

    Just a small suggestion here, but I was thinking last night that there could be a 3 minute silence in the comments in respect of Ayrton (one minute for each of his championships). But it was just something that popped into my head so I don't know how people would feel about it. Whatever happens, I'll be paying my respects.

    Why just him?

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:07

    He thought he was god. That is a bit different

    :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:07

    Steven Roy: 30/04/2009 at 20:07:09

    No, he died 15 years ago tomorrow...

    He thought he was god. That is a bit different

    No he didn't!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 19:07

    He thought he was god. That is a bit different

    People worshipped him like one though.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 19:07

    Just a small suggestion here, but I was thinking last night that there could be a 3 minute silence in the comments in respect of Ayrton (one minute for each of his championships). But it was just something that popped into my head so I don't know how people would feel about it. Whatever happens, I'll be paying my respects.

    Didn't we already have this conversation?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:08

    Steven Roy: 30/04/2009 at 19:07

    Just a small suggestion here, but I was thinking last night that there could be a 3 minute silence in the comments in respect of Ayrton (one minute for each of his championships). But it was just something that popped into my head so I don’t know how people would feel about it. Whatever happens, I’ll be paying my respects.

    Why just him?

    Because unlike you we weren't around when Gilles passed.

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:08

    Didn't we already have this conversation?

    i thought so.

  • God30/04/2009 at 19:08

    Because he doesn’t exist

    Your right Steven... I don't.

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:09

    Because unlike you we weren't around when Gilles passed.

    ok... that is more than enough.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:10

    Just a small suggestion here, but I was thinking last night that there could be a 3 minute silence in the comments in respect of Ayrton (one minute for each of his championships). But it was just something that popped into my head so I don't know how people would feel about it. Whatever happens, I'll be paying my respects.

    A 3 minute silence on sidepodcast? That'll never work!

  • Dan Brunell30/04/2009 at 19:10

    So... slow F1 news day?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 19:10

    I don't think this is hostile at all but please say if you think it's getting that way!

    It's not that it's getting hostile... But rather like the earlier debate on Senna's death... It's the sort of thing that's unlikely to be actually resolved. People have a view at the beginning and will almost certainly stick with that view regardless of the arguments presented...

    I doubt that we will solve what killed Senna or Global Warming here tonight... That's all :)

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 19:10

    Your right Steven... I don't.

    See

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:11

    Your right Steven... I don't.

    I would have thought god could get the your/you're thing right. ;)

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:11

    I would have thought god could get the your/you're thing right. ;)

    :D :D

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 19:11

    I would have thought god could get the your/you're thing right. ;)

    :)

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:11

    I doubt that we will solve what killed Senna or Global Warming here tonight... That's all :)

    agreed.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 19:12

    I would have thought god could get the your/you're thing right. ;)

    Hehehe. Maybe that's the right way and we've all been doing it wrong!

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:12

    I doubt that we will solve what killed Senna or Global Warming here tonight... That's all :)

    very true.

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:12

    for the sake of my sanity i'm moderating comments until we find something else to talk about.

    did anyone else enjoy that blue peter segment?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 19:13

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery

    Is it in Tate Britain?

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:13

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery

    i'd like to volunteer to help find it?

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:13

    I doubt that we will solve what killed Senna or Global Warming here tonight... That's all :)

    Very true. Discussions like that never translate well when they're not face to face.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 19:13

    did anyone else enjoy that blue peter segment?

    Oooh I didn't look at that yet.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:14

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery

    Now that's a dilemma!

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 19:14

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery

    Did you eat it and then forget?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:14

    i'd like to volunteer to help find it?

    I saw it by my tele on a desk. it is not on the desk any more.

    *strokes beard*

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:14

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery

    Only if I get to keep it if I find it.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:14

    Did you eat it and then forget?

    :D

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 19:15

    Also... I have just been Wii Fitting (if fitting is the right word).

    In the football heading game you have to head footballs, and avoid heading football boots or...

    Heads of Panda costumes!

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:15

    Heads of Panda costumes!

    really? how do i not remember that.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 19:15

    I saw it by my tele on a desk. it is not on the desk any more.

    Going by ze evidence I suggest that ze look behind ze televizion

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:15

    Mr C, how come you can call my comments rubbish and bul**** and yet I get moderated for commenting on a thread that someone else started?

    I would have thought you would know me better than that. If you had just asked me to back off I would have respected that - there was no need to just mod me like that?

    What have I said today that was so offensive anyways?

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 19:16

    Heads of Panda costumes!

    I know! It's a travesty, isn't it?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:16

    Did you eat it and then forget?

    No I was looking forward to eating it and now I can;t! oh the trauma...

    Only if I get to keep it if I find it.

    The finer gets a finger of the kitkat, so if 4 people find it, you all get a finger each, woo!

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:16

    What have I said today that was so offensive anyways?

    i am moderating any mention of certain words gavin. as just mentioned.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:17

    Christine: 30/04/2009 at 20:14:20

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery

    Did you eat it and then forget?

    *Thinks of the Panda commercial with the Kitkat*

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:17

    I know! It's a travesty, isn't it?

    I want to know why there are so many of them at a football training ground. How many mascots do they have?

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:18

    I want to know why there are so many of them at a football training ground. How many mascots do they have?

    hahahaha.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:18

    The finer gets a finger of the kitkat, so if 4 people find it, you all get a finger each, woo!

    What if someone less honest than me finds it and doesn't tell you though?

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 19:18

    I want to know why there are so many of them at a football training ground. How many mascots do they have?

    They also need to invest in better shoelaces.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:18

    me: 30/04/2009 at 20:16:35

    What have I said today that was so offensive anyways?

    i am moderating any mention of certain words gavin. as just mentioned.

    That's fine. Please read the comment in the mod queue (no need to publish) to understand what I actually meant about ******.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:18

    What if someone less honest than me finds it and doesn't tell you though?

    Then you are not welcome to my kitkat! :D

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 19:19

    Just got moderated

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:19

    Christine: 30/04/2009 at 19:18

    I want to know why there are so many of them at a football training ground. How many mascots do they have?

    They also need to invest in better shoelaces.

    And better Panda costumes!

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:19

    They also need to invest in better shoelaces.

    Hehe

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:20

    Steven Roy: 30/04/2009 at 19:19

    Just got moderated

    Sorry Steven, I can't properly explain myself to you either.

  • Dan Brunell30/04/2009 at 19:20

    Then you are not welcome to my kitkat! :D

    Oh.... (*lip covered in chocolate... looking slightly guilty.*)

    I have to say, the Kit-Kats over there are a lot better then the ones here in the states. What the heck do you put in them?

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:20

    Just got moderated

    you mentioned about 9 blocked words in that comment! at the moment, i really, really cannot face a debate on the subject.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:20

    IKitkat update

    I've found a Boost chocolate bar in the kitchen... but this is not a Kitkat dagnabbit.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 19:21

    Zaha. I think you vill find ze kitkat in ze fridge/cupboard/anywhere where you keep kitkats...

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 19:21

    I only quoted a Nigel Roebuck column.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:22

    I've found a Boost chocolate bar in the kitchen... but this is not a Kitkat dagnabbit.

    A clue!

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:22

    Zaha. I think you vill find ze kitkat in ze fridge/cupboard/anywhere where you keep kitkats...

    I bought it from an ice cream van not long ago :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:22

    Steven, gonna message you on Skype mate.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:22

    I am now being moderated??

    What are these words??

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:23

    Steven, gonna message you on Skype mate.

    that is the perfect answer. thank you.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:23

    Kitkat update: My mum ate it.

    :(

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:23

    I bought it from an ice cream van not long ago :P

    I've never trusted ice cream van chocolate. No idea why.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:24

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 20:23:16

    Kitkat update: My mum ate it.

    Your Mum's a Panda!

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:24

    test

  • Dan Brunell30/04/2009 at 19:24

    Kitkat update: My mum ate it.

    :(

    NOOO!!!!!

    (fall to knees, raises arms to the sky)

    Kitkat!!!!!!!!

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:25

    The doohickey hates me now. :(

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:25

    NOOO!!!!!

    Darth Vader style.

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:26

    The doohickey hates me now. :(

    tis okay. i fixed. soz, your email was tripping the moderation.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:26

    Your Mum's a Panda!

    I passed on this information to be given a very straight stare back at me :(

    ...whilst she put the damn kitkat wrapper in the bin... farewell, sweet chocolate...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:27

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 20:26:58

    Your Mum's a Panda!

    I passed on this information to be given a very straight stare back at me

    ...whilst she put the damn kitkat wrapper in the bin... farewell, sweet chocolate...

    But you and your mum know what I am talking about, right?

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 19:28

    tis okay. i fixed. soz, your email was tripping the moderation.

    I don't know what that means but... oops!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 19:28

    I passed on this information to be given a very straight stare back at me :(

    I think you should strongly consider grounding her... Or at least sending her to her room without her supper!

    It is wrong to steal and it's right that she should learn that sooner rather than later.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:28

    Dom: 30/04/2009 at 20:28:02

    tis okay. i fixed. soz, your email was tripping the moderation.

    I don't know what that means but... oops!

    It means your email contains a keyword that is now banned?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:29

    It is wrong to steal and it's right that she should learn that sooner rather than later.

    I know!! Talk about setting a bad example to her chi... oh.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:40

    Anyway, what a day. We are moving office and they decided to start knocking down walls today instead of saturday. Yay for noise-cancelling earphones!

    I went out for dinner tonight which was average, and now I'm finally watching the forum from Bahrain.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:41

    I'm already used to a race every week. I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself this weekend.

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:41

    I went out for dinner tonight which was average, and now I'm finally watching the forum from Bahrain.

    i still haven't seen it :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:42

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 20:41:00

    I'm already used to a race every week. I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself this weekend.

    Catch up on other Motorsports which I am sadly behind on!

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:42

    I'm already used to a race every week. I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself this weekend.

    and monday.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 19:42

    i still haven't seen it

    It's on the BBC F1 site now, isn't it?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 19:42

    I'm already used to a race every week. I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself this weekend.

    I've got some relatives over. Coming from York and staying overnight before heading up to Edinburgh. To watch the rugby league that is, I stay here, lose my room for two nights and probably be on here less often.

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:42

    It's on the BBC F1 site now, isn't it?

    no time.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:43

    and monday.

    Monday?

  • me30/04/2009 at 19:43

    Monday?

    bank holiday... isn't it?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 19:44

    Monday?

    Bank holiday. A day off school, makes me happy.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:44

    me: 30/04/2009 at 20:43:38

    Monday?

    bank holiday... isn't it?

    Next friday for the Vikings...

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:45

    bank holiday... isn't it?

    Not for those of us in the wonderful world of retail it isn't. Although saying that, I have a feeling I've ended up with the day off by chance anyway.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:46

    Not for those of us in the wonderful world of retail it isn't. Although saying that, I have a feeling I've ended up with the day off by chance anyway.

    My shop is closed every bank holiday, so i'm a lucky chappy in that respect for bank holidays. And we sell cornettos now. Which rocks. Not that i've hinted at that recently.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:48

    My shop is closed every bank holiday, so i'm a lucky chappy in that respect for bank holidays. And we sell cornettos now. Which rocks. Not that i've hinted at that recently.

    You are the luckiest guy in the world mate!

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:50

    You are the luckiest guy in the world mate!

    Yeah cornettos rock!

    ...the holiday stuff ain't so bad either. :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:50

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 20:50:09

    You are the luckiest guy in the world mate!

    Yeah cornettos rock!

    ...the holiday stuff ain't so bad either.

    LOL :D

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:52

    If you don't mind me asking Chris, where do you work?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:53

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 20:52:32

    If you don't mind me asking Chris, where do you work?

    Probably best you don't say that here.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:54

    Probably best you don't say that here.

    ah, oki doki, I tend to ask too much sometimes. Was just interested to retail sake. No worries though. :)

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 19:55

    ah, oki doki, I tend to ask too much sometimes. Was just interested to retail sake. No worries though. :)

    Could ask over the wiki pm?

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:55

    Probably best you don't say that here.

    Really?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:57

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 20:55:31

    Probably best you don't say that here.

    Really?

    There are loads of horror stories about people slagging off their work and getting into trouble with it. Just be careful and don't mention your company on the web where possible...

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 19:57

    There are loads of horror stories about people slagging off their work and getting into trouble with it. Just be careful and don't mention your company on the web where possible...

    That's true.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 19:58

    There are loads of horror stories about people slagging off their work and getting into trouble with it. Just be careful and don't mention your company on the web where possible...

    Fair point, better safe than sorry I guess.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 19:58

    There are loads of horror stories about people slagging off their work and getting into trouble with it. Just be careful and don't mention your company on the web where possible...

    I slag them off in work!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 19:59

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 20:58:44

    There are loads of horror stories about people slagging off their work and getting into trouble with it. Just be careful and don't mention your company on the web where possible...

    I slag them off in work!

    Well that's different I guess?

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 20:00

    Well that's different I guess?

    Nah I'm only joking anyways, I know what you mean, like has been said, always betetr to be safe than sorry. In our law lecture's we;ve been studying the efefcts of stuff like facebook and privacy law with bosses and corporations being able to check up on you for example.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:01

    I love how Martin Brundle smacked down EJ over the 'blazer brigade' comments!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:03

    Lukeh: 30/04/2009 at 21:00:40

    Well that's different I guess?

    Nah I'm only joking anyways, I know what you mean, like has been said, always betetr to be safe than sorry. In our law lecture's we;ve been studying the efefcts of stuff like facebook and privacy law with bosses and corporations being able to check up on you for example.

    Oooh interesting. We have a problem where our guys are putting pics of work stuff on Facebook - it's not allowed and it's a security risk. But people don't think that way when they want to show off how cool their job is to their mates, do they?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:05

    I'm shocked to say this, but I completely agree with Bernie that the British Government put some money into the GP instead of wasting it on the olympics...

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 20:06

    PM'd you on the wiki Lukeh

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 20:06

    I'm shocked to say this, but I completely agree with Bernie that the British Government put some money into the GP instead of wasting it on the olympics...

    The thing with that is you may have a biased opinion (on F1, same with me), so you'd think F1 deserves it more. But the thing for the british government is compared to the F1, Olympics is going to bring in waaaay more £££ instead of F1.

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 20:07

    I'm shocked to say this, but I completely agree with Bernie that the British Government put some money into the GP instead of wasting it on the olympics...

    Imagine the uproar if they did though. Ironically, the complaints would probably be from the same people who complained about all the money going to the olympics in the first place.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 20:07

    Oooh interesting. We have a problem where our guys are putting pics of work stuff on Facebook - it's not allowed and it's a security risk. But people don't think that way when they want to show off how cool their job is to their mates, do they?

    Nope, especially with law here as well. Data protection act, Computer Misuse Act and all that, a lot of corporations seem to get the idea that because they're an employee, they as their employer have the right to control what they do on facebook whereas it's quite the opposite. lying or criticising them or other little things, as has been stated, not so much but is a very very big grey area in law or so I've studied so far... you'd have to ask a law student about that for greater detail, it's just a module for myself.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:08

    RG - I know its 2009: 30/04/2009 at 21:06:59

    I'm shocked to say this, but I completely agree with Bernie that the British Government put some money into the GP instead of wasting it on the olympics...

    The thing with that is you may have a biased opinion (on F1, same with me), so you'd think F1 deserves it more. But the thing for the british government is compared to the F1, Olympics is going to bring in waaaay more £££ instead of F1.

    But the Olympics will only do it until 2012 whilst F1 will do it for a whole career.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:09

    Nope, especially with law here as well. Data protection act, Computer Misuse Act and all that, a lot of corporations seem to get the idea that because they're an employee, they as their employer have the right to control what they do on facebook whereas it's quite the opposite. lying or criticising them or other little things, as has been stated, not so much but is a very very big grey area in law or so I've studied so far... you'd have to ask a law student about that for greater detail, it's just a module for myself.

    Yep. But it's bad form and unprofessional to slag off your company on your blog or facebook.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 20:10

    But the Olympics will only do it until 2012 whilst F1 will do it for a whole career.

    Hmm, might be true. Depends how much they spend on it I suppose

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 20:11

    Yep. But it's bad form and unprofessional to slag off your company on your blog or facebook.

    And even if they can't fire you for it, it isn't going to do much for your relationships or job prospects within the company.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 20:11

    Yep. But it's bad form and unprofessional to slag off your company on your blog or facebook.

    Yeah it is. I've just noticed now someone's status at where I work in a bit of a huff and a puff about work coincedentally, and I know our boss has us on facebook, so I'm quite interested to see if anything happens there...

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:11

    Hmm, might be true. Depends how much they spend on it I suppose

    9.2 billion apparently.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 20:11

    The thing with that is you may have a biased opinion (on F1, same with me), so you'd think F1 deserves it more. But the thing for the british government is compared to the F1, Olympics is going to bring in waaaay more £££ instead of F1.

    With the amount they are spending on it, I'm not sure if that's true?

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 20:12

    Evening all. Home from a 'crappy as usual' day at college followed by trying to nurse home an overheating car.. Time for a cup of tea, a curry and a beer.. then comment and twitter catch-up...

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 20:12

    Evening all. Home from a 'crappy as usual' day at college followed by trying to nurse home an overheating car.. Time for a cup of tea, a curry and a beer.. then comment and twitter catch-up...

    evening pat :)

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 20:13

    9.2 billion apparently.

    I meant the F1 side of it.

    With the amount they are spending on it, I'm not sure if that's true?

    Maybe, but the fact of the TV Revenue will be loads, they might make a profit.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:13

    Evening all. Home from a 'crappy as usual' day at college followed by trying to nurse home an overheating car.. Time for a cup of tea, a curry and a beer.. then comment and twitter catch-up...

    If you had overheating problems, you should have run it in clean air ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:14

    Scott Woodwiss: 30/04/2009 at 21:11:52

    Hmm, might be true. Depends how much they spend on it I suppose

    9.2 billion apparently.

    As opposed to 100 million to save the GP. That's like 1% of the budget for the olympics!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:14

    Evening all. Home from a 'crappy as usual' day at college followed by trying to nurse home an overheating car.. Time for a cup of tea, a curry and a beer.. then comment and twitter catch-up...

    Do you drive a Brawn?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 20:15

    As opposed to 100 million to save the GP. That's like 1% of the budget for the olympics!

    I'll be honest I have no idea what I'm talking about. All this money at my age is something I want, not how to spend it wisely

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 20:17

    If you had overheating problems, you should have run it in clean air

    I did. :-) Got caught behind a guy doing 40 so I overtook him. The road was closed ahead and we had to back up a mile to go another way, he said "now you have to turn around you d***". It's not like I cut him up or tailgated him, I left acres of room.I suppose being stuck in a Trulli Train on the alternative route didn't help the temps which is why it cut out on me - 100 yards from home. Just sat and waited for it to cool for 5 mins.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 20:19

    Do you drive a Brawn?

    It is white, and funnily enough after the comments yesterday about Lou's car I briefly (very briefly) considered putting Brawn stripes on it, before I realised I'm not a chav.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 20:19

    Maybe, but the fact of the TV Revenue will be loads, they might make a profit.

    I'm not sure... if I remember correctly, they weren't entirely sure whether they could make a profit back when the cost of the games was expected to be 5 billion...

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 20:19

    As opposed to 100 million to save the GP. That's like 1% of the budget for the olympics!

    The thing is though, as much as it costs, hosting the Olympics is a rare honour. I'm really excited for it. Attending an Olympic event is a once in a lifetime opportunity for most people.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:20

    chris evans: 30/04/2009 at 21:19:10

    As opposed to 100 million to save the GP. That's like 1% of the budget for the olympics!

    The thing is though, as much as it costs, hosting the Olympics is a rare honour. I'm really excited for it. Attending an Olympic event is a once in a lifetime opportunity for most people.

    True, but look at the debt it will cause... and all the empty venues after. If it's not done properly, the Olympics could become a parasite...

  • guille230630/04/2009 at 20:21

    The thing is though, as much as it costs, hosting the Olympics is a rare honour. I'm really excited for it. Attending an Olympic event is a once in a lifetime opportunity for most people.

    So it is to go to a GP, depending on where you are/how much money you have...

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 20:22

    True, but look at the debt it will cause... and all the empty venues after. If it's not done properly, the Olympics could become a parasite...

    Yeah, the main stadium, could easily be turned down to something like 60k for a football team in the area, like West Ham.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:25

    RG - I know its 2009: 30/04/2009 at 21:22:21

    True, but look at the debt it will cause... and all the empty venues after. If it's not done properly, the Olympics could become a parasite...

    Yeah, the main stadium, could easily be turned down to something like 60k for a football team in the area, like West Ham.

    True - but just to play Devil's Advocate here... an F1 track also has many other uses than just for a Grand Prix...

  • chris evans30/04/2009 at 20:27

    True, but look at the debt it will cause... and all the empty venues after. If it's not done properly, the Olympics could become a parasite...

    Oh, I agree it's all far from perfect, but I'm still excited that I will be able to experience it first hand.

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 20:38

    Photo diary from Jake - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2009/04/my_bahrain_grand_prix_photo_di.html :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:39

    I'm bored. As always! Will be nice to get back into work on Tuesday :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:39

    I'm bored. As always! Will be nice to get back into work on Tuesday :)

    Well done mate - it's about time you had a lucky break!

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 20:41

    Well, Mr C has been busy in the background again and we have new Doohickey updates to play with.

    If you refresh, you should see a link next to the dropdown saying Active Thread - which when clicked will display the post.

    The sleepyhickey will also have a nap if you leave it for a certain amount of time.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:41

    Well done mate - it's about time you had a lucky break!

    Hehehe, thanks :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:42

    If you refresh, you should see a link next to the dropdown saying Active Thread - which when clicked will display the post.

    That's a cool feature, I like it :)

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 20:42

    It's worth noting that if the post is too long, it falls off the page in the lightbox... uh, box. I've got him working on that one.

    We're also looking at being able to play podcasts in the lightbox too.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:43

    Well, Mr C has been busy in the background again and we have new Doohickey updates to play with.

    If you refresh, you should see a link next to the dropdown saying Active Thread - which when clicked will display the post.

    The sleepyhickey will also have a nap if you leave it for a certain amount of time.

    Ping.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 20:44

    We're also looking at being able to play podcasts in the lightbox too.

    Whats next? Portable cupcake machine?

    Nice stuff guys ;)

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 20:45

    If you refresh, you should see a link next to the dropdown saying Active Thread - which when clicked will display the post.

    Very nice, loving the update! Good stuff guys :)

  • guille230630/04/2009 at 20:45

    The sleepyhickey will also have a nap if you leave it for a certain amount of time.

    What means exactly that? It won't refresh if I don't look at it for an hour, for example?

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 20:47

    Its just 'gone to sleep' on me after approx. 45 seconds whilst I scrolled up to read....

    Does this mean that the doohickey suffers from sleep aponea?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:49

    Does this mean that the doohickey suffers from sleep aponea?

    Is that that condition that just makes you randomly fall asleep like 90 times a day?

  • Jon Waldock30/04/2009 at 20:50

    Anyone seen this?

    http://www.crash.net/Formula+One/News/146142/1/ecclestone_f1_needs_a_black_female_jewish_driver.html

    “I don't care who drives,” the Formula One Management (FOM) chief executive told Spanish newspaper Marca, before adding: “It would be fantastic to have a female driver who is black and Jewish.”

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:50

    Awwww:

    "Shhhh.... Real-Time Doohickey is sleeping right now

    [click to wake her up]"

    :)

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 20:51

    “I don't care who drives,” the Formula One Management (FOM) chief executive told Spanish newspaper Marca, before adding: “It would be fantastic to have a female driver who is black and Jewish.”

    Well that's beaten my Kitkat hunt for out of nowhere moment of the day.

  • me30/04/2009 at 20:51

    one other change to note, not directly related to doohickey, is the removal of comment counts at the base of the page. we've also removed "most talkative" list from the homepage.

    in future we'll add some kind of comment "hearting" that will allow people to accrue positive votes against things they've said. we'll likely have a list of "most hearted" commentors at some point too.

    the reason is to remove quantity of comments from being any kind of reason for praise and instead focus on quality of comments from here on in. in theory the funniest and most informative should get rewarded, rather than those who spend way too much time in front of the screen.

    anyhow, that's for another day, just hightlighting the reason for removal at the moment.

  • guille230630/04/2009 at 20:51

    What means exactly that? It won't refresh if I don't look at it for an hour, for example?

    Don't worry, it went to sleep and explained itself :-)

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 20:52

    “I don't care who drives,” the Formula One Management (FOM) chief executive told Spanish newspaper Marca, before adding: “It would be fantastic to have a female driver who is black and Jewish.”

    ...wtf?

  • me30/04/2009 at 20:53

    Don't worry, it went to sleep and explained itself :-)

    cool. the timer is set very, very low today. only for testing purposes and to garner feedback.

    will likely increase to several hours tomorrow, or during the weekend.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 20:53

    the reason is to remove quantity of comments from being any kind of reason for praise and instead focus on quality of comments from here on in. in theory the funniest and most informative should get rewarded, rather than those who spend way too much time in front of the screen.

    I like the idea of awarding people who provide good, useful comments, it should be a good system and people here are more than nice enough to know where a comment deserves a bit of recognition so sounds good :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:54

    anyhow, that's for another day, just hightlighting the reason for removal at the moment.

    I'd better get onto to topping the table quick before it ends!

    Only kidding. I think the idea's great. Rewards those who make an effort to comment well rather than comment a lot.

  • me30/04/2009 at 20:55

    I like the idea of awarding people who provide good, useful comments, it should be a good system and people here are more than nice enough to know where a comment deserves a bit of recognition so sounds good :D

    alex suggested the heart awhile ago. it should be a good way to reference the best comments come the end of the year too. again, more work to be done first though.

  • me30/04/2009 at 20:55

    Only kidding. I think the idea's great. Rewards those who make an effort to comment well rather than comment a lot.

    glad you approve :)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 20:56

    glad you approve

    So this was aimed primarily at commenters like me, then? ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:57

    Don't worry, it went to sleep and explained itself :-)

    cool. the timer is set very, very low today. only for testing purposes and to garner feedback.

    will likely increase to several hours tomorrow, or during the weekend.

    So after 'waking up', the snoozehickey loads all the comments from when you are away?

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 20:58

    the reason is to remove quantity of comments from being any kind of reason for praise and instead focus on quality of comments from here on in. in theory the funniest and most informative should get rewarded, rather than those who spend way too much time in front of the screen.

    Sounds good. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 20:58

    Only kidding. I think the idea's great. Rewards those who make an effort to comment well rather than comment a lot.

    glad you approve :)

    I like it too - and for any posts about Schumacher we should start at -10

    RG is also still on -1,000,000 ;)

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 20:59

    So after 'waking up', the snoozehickey loads all the comments from when you are away?

    Does it still tell you how many comments have been left while it's asleep though?

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:00

    So this was aimed primarily at commenters like me, then? ;)

    your ongoing battle with journeyer was becoming slightly decremental to the overall conversation. if every time you said something, he responded, it gets tiresome quickly.

    however, it always was a flaw and the comment numbers these days are so crazily high any kind of count was pointless. plus it's too easy to "game" the chart. the new chart will be much more of a challenge. especially when you consider you may have to earn "hearts", before giving one, for example.

    fun and games to come... for sure.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:00

    So after 'waking up', the snoozehickey loads all the comments from when you are away?

    correct.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:02

    however, it always was a flaw and the comment numbers these days are so crazily high any kind of count was pointless. plus it's too easy to "game" the chart. the new chart will be much more of a challenge. especially when you consider you may have to earn "hearts", before giving one, for example.

    any idea if you'll be testing it for a time with the comments and seeing it how it goes with the commentors?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:02

    your ongoing battle with journeyer was becoming slightly decremental to the overall conversation. if every time you said something, he responded, it gets tiresome quickly.

    If I can be honest here, I rarely think about trying to beat Journeyer on comments. Even though it may not seem like it, I'm just commenting as I normally would. The fact that he comments directly after I do either suggests he's more preoccupied about it than I am or it's merely coincidence.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:02

    Does it still tell you how many comments have been left while it's asleep though?

    nope. it really is asleep.

    should've been clear - if you post a comment the timer resets.

    this has been introduced to reduce unnecessary server load for machines left polling overnight. if you haven't left a comment for three or four hours, you likely don't need to know how many comments you've missed.

  • guille230630/04/2009 at 21:03

    Does it still tell you how many comments have been left while it's asleep though?

    That would be a nice addition

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:03

    So this was aimed primarily at commenters like me, then? ;)

    your ongoing battle with journeyer was becoming slightly decremental to the overall conversation. if every time you said something, he responded, it gets tiresome quickly.

    however, it always was a flaw and the comment numbers these days are so crazily high any kind of count was pointless. plus it's too easy to "game" the chart. the new chart will be much more of a challenge. especially when you consider you may have to earn "hearts", before giving one, for example.

    fun and games to come... for sure.

    Thank you - it's a very, very good idea this. Hopefully we will think a bit more and provide longer comments.

    Here's a suggestion - when the snoozehickey wakes up, can it tell you what the last post was before it loaded in the new ones (like a book mark)?

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 21:03

    if you haven't left a comment for three or four hours, you likely don't need to know how many comments you've missed.

    I do!

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:03

    I dunno about this sidepodcast sleepy time hour thing. I went off to do other things, came back and thinking there was no comments only to check 10 mins later to find theres loads.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:04

    any idea if you'll be testing it for a time with the comments and seeing it how it goes with the commentors?

    no real plans actually. am making most of it up right here, right now.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:04

    Here's a suggestion - when the snoozehickey wakes up, can it tell you what the last post was before it loaded in the new ones (like a book mark)?

    good suggestion. will give it some thought.

  • guille230630/04/2009 at 21:04

    this has been introduced to reduce unnecessary server load for machines left polling overnight. if you haven't left a comment for three or four hours, you likely don't need to know how many comments you've missed.

    Put in that way, you're right. I was confused with the 45s it takes now to go to sleep

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:04

    I do!

    really, why?

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:05

    I dunno about this sidepodcast sleepy time hour thing. I went off to do other things, came back and thinking there was no comments only to check 10 mins later to find theres loads.

    don't worry. the timer is set very low. we shall increase to a sensible amount after more testing.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:05

    I dunno about this sidepodcast sleepy time hour thing. I went off to do other things, came back and thinking there was no comments only to check 10 mins later to find theres loads.

    don't worry. the timer is set very low. we shall increase to a sensible amount after more testing.

    Seems to work fine here - I get a comment count and everything...

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:06

    don't worry. the timer is set very low. we shall increase to a sensible amount after more testing.

    Okay. Just a thought. Didn't think it was always gonna be so soon. Just caught me out.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:07

    Awww, I like the doosleepy message, it's cute :D

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 21:08

    really, why?

    When I'm doing other things, I only have to check back when it tells me a comment has been left. I'd have to check back every so often to find either nobody is leaving comments or I've missed loads.

    The comment count was a great idea!

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:08

    The comment count was a great idea!

    that's still there though.

    surely you don't watch comments coming in for more than three hours without ever responding to one of them?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:09

    The comment count was a great idea!

    What about - remove the comment count for commenters, but keep the one for threads. You'll still know how many comments have been left, but not who left how many.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:09

    The comment count was a great idea!

    I think this will be solved once the timeout goes above an hour... There's no chance nobody will comment in an hour.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:10

    I think this will be solved once the timeout goes above an hour... There's no chance nobody will comment in an hour.

    bingo. exactly that.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:10

    Awww, I like the doosleepy message, it's cute :D

    Aww, it is isn't it.

    And nice to see doohickey is a girl as well.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:11

    bingo. exactly that.

    alex is reading your mind wayyyy too much today :P

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 21:11

    surely you don't watch comments coming in for more than three hours without ever responding to one of them?

    Hmm. If I've been away for that long, it's helpful to know how much I've missed.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:11

    And nice to see doohickey is a girl as well.

    see, now i really want to (heart) that comment :)

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:11

    alex is reading your mind wayyyy too much today :P

    he's a bit freaky.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:12

    see, now i really want to (heart) that comment :)

    heart that comment?

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:12

    Hmm. If I've been away for that long, it's helpful to know how much I've missed.

    but that's the point. if you're away, just wake it up upon your return?

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:12

    heart that comment?

    yeah.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:13

    yeah.

    I'm going to take it I've missed something here?

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 21:13

    I think this will be solved once the timeout goes above an hour... There's no chance nobody will comment in an hour.

    That makes sense...

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:13

    I'm going to take it I've missed something here?

    the bit i just said... never mind.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:13

    I'm going to take it I've missed something here?

    Mr C just explained a sec ago about the upcoming hearting comments idea he has. It sounds hearty :)

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:14

    Mr C just explained a sec ago about the upcoming hearting comments idea he has. It sounds hearty :)

    Okay, was it before i got all confuggled with this sleepy time thing? I didn't read back her comments and just complained.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:15

    he's a bit freaky.

    I am... It's a well known phenomenon...

    do.. do.. da.. do.. do...

    phenomenon...

    do.. do... do... do...

    phenomenon...

    do.. do... da... dah... dah... da... do... do... da... da... da.. da..

    ahem ;)

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:15

    do.. do... da... dah... dah... da... do... do... da... da... da.. da..

    (hearted)

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 21:16

    but that's the point. if you're away, just wake it up upon your return?

    Sold. :D

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:16

    Sold. :D

    w00t!

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:17

    RG is also still on -1,000,000 ;)

    Oh darn, I appear to be starting in a uncomfortable posistion with this 'me hearty' busines..

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:19

    Just wanted to share this, the commentary from Darryl Eastlake is hilarious :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nflj21etu5E&feature=related

    The contrast between Darryl and the co-commentator reminds me of another commentary duo... ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:19

    Comment in moderation

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:19

    w00t!

    Another thing that was a bit odd was that as I was scrolling back through comments it just went to sleep. But again... not an issue once the timeout is larger.

    On a server bandwith problem does it make that much of a difference if you bulk up the requests (as the waking from sleep effectively does)? I suppose it misses all of the requests when there is nothing new?

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:20

    Oh darn, I appear to be starting in a uncomfortable posistion with this 'me hearty' busines..

    Shiver me timbers RG lad. We are all in this together 'me harty's

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 21:21

    I passed on this information to be given a very straight stare back at me

    Ah, so not a panda then; but a relative of a certain type of black bear from Peru?

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:22

    I suppose it misses all of the requests when there is nothing new?

    it does that, yup. it's actually processor requests we're trying to reduce. not bandwidth.

    a bandwidth request for 'no new comments' is a tiny 2kb of data. but it's database time and cpu time.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 21:22

    Evening all, just been catching up with the comments.

    Are we allowed to mention *****, ******* ****** and ******* yet?

    Nice to see God posting again, even if it is to deny his own existence. But then Douglas Adams had quite a lot to say about that :)

    I like the "doohickey is sleeping" message too.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:23

    Nice to see God posting again, even if it is to deny his own existence. But then Douglas Adams had quite a lot to say about that :)

    If Douglas Adams posts to tell us he no longer exits then we'll know we're through the looking glass!

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:24

    Are we allowed to mention *****, ******* ****** and ******* yet?

    it's been a long day!

    I like the "doohickey is sleeping" message too.

    it's a hard working doohickey.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:25

    it's a hard working doohickey.

    That's because it's learnt to be a good doohickey now and not cause problems ;)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:29

    On this bit of software I use there is an icon in the top left hand corner... He's a kiwi and if you hover over him then he pecks...

    http://www.fogcreek.com/FogBugz/

    And if you log in to the software and it's past midnight then you find that he's asleep...

    http://11.media.tumblr.com/bhKTvCKNA37rrbkbhPijJfff_400.png

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 21:30

    it's been a long day!

    OK. Fair enough.

    I forgot to mention that I was amazed by the exclusions from the $40 million budget cap for teams. Not including driver salaries I can understand, but marketing and fines? Fines should absolutely be included - if a fine takes the team over budget then they should have to deal with the consequences of not being able to test. It might make them behave a bit more.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:31

    And if you log in to the software and it's past midnight then you find that he's asleep...

    hehehe. that is sweet.

    forgot to ask btw. has the doohickey caching problem been resolved? whereby you click back and some really old comments get loaded and all the new ones have to come in again?

  • lou30/04/2009 at 21:32

    quick question for either mr or mrs c is there a panel this weekend? and how is hosting it?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:32

    forgot to ask btw. has the doohickey caching problem been resolved? whereby you click back and some really old comments get loaded and all the new ones have to come in again?

    All is good again after a quick check ;)

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:33

    quick question for either mr or mrs c is there a panel this weekend? and how is hosting it?

    yes there certainly is...

    yourself and jackie i believes.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:33

    quick question for either mr or mrs c is there a panel this weekend? and how is hosting it?

    I

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:33

    I

    Oops.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:33

    All is good again after a quick check ;)

    nice one.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 21:34

    Interesting - it seems there is a limit to the number of threads that show up on the doohickey. Not a complaint, more an observation.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:35

    Interesting - it seems there is a limit to the number of threads that show up on the doohickey. Not a complaint, more an observation.

    in the drop-down? should be 10.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:35

    On this bit of software I use there is an icon in the top left hand corner... He's a kiwi and if you hover over him then he pecks...

    Heart!

  • lou30/04/2009 at 21:35

    yourself and jackie i believes.

    good. cause it's a bank holiday and probably the only time i could do it now until exams are over. :) oh and i ;&hearts the proposal for some kinda hearting system.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:35

    I think it was Gavin who mentioned it but yowzer.. James Allen on the PS3 demo of the F1 game is incredibly annoying. He seems to only speak on corners and it puts you off so so much! Plus it always goes 'We... are... RACCIIIINNNGG' as you start, so annoying. Where's that Legard fella? :P

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:36

    Heart!

    yay!

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:36

    All is good again after a quick check ;)

    It now no longer caches... Which must be better for you...

    Before quitting Chrome bottom comment was from you.. Now bottom comment is from Scott. Solved :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:36

    I think it was Gavin who mentioned it but yowzer.. James Allen on the PS3 demo of the F1 game is incredibly annoying. He seems to only speak on corners and it puts you off so so much! Plus it always goes 'We... are... RACCIIIINNNGG' as you start, so annoying. Where's that Legard fella? :P

    It was me - he makes me crash because he puts me off!

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:36

    good. cause it's a bank holiday and probably the only time i could do it now until exams are over. :) oh and i ♥ the proposal for some kinda hearting system.

    ;)

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 21:36

    in the drop-down? should be 10.

    Yep, 10 it is.

    Also, in an attempt to conserve posts, I also applaud the decision to remove the most talkative list. Quality over quantity FTW, it will hopefully make it easier to keep up to date.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:36

    It was me - he makes me crash because he puts me off!

    I just took out Webber on turn 1 of catalunya because of it :(

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:37

    It now no longer caches... Which must be better for you...

    it just gets better. we is winning!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:37

    Just wanted to share this, the commentary from Darryl Eastlake is hilarious :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nflj21etu5E&feature=related

    The contrast between Darryl and the co-commentator reminds me of another commentary duo... ;)

    I find your fascination with Taxi Racing interesting. Tell me, do you watch it often?

  • lou30/04/2009 at 21:37

    good. cause it's a bank holiday and probably the only time i could do it now until exams are over. :) oh and i ;&hearts the proposal for some kinda hearting system.

    oops... that was meant to be ♥ :D

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:38

    I just took out Webber on turn 1 of catalunya because of it :(

    I took I think Schumacher off and the commentary was off. I think he was being telepathic or something.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:38

    I find your fascination with Taxi Racing interesting. Tell me, do you watch it often?

    I used to but I haven't watched it for a while now. I'm more interested in the final group A years and the first few years they went to the 5.0L v8 formula.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:39

    I find your fascination with Taxi Racing interesting. Tell me, do you watch it often?

    I used to but I haven't watched it for a while now. I'm more interested in the final group A years and the first few years they went to the 5.0L v8 formula.

    In other words, the best part of the ATCC... Good lad!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:39

    In other words, the best part of the ATCC... Good lad!

    :D

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:42

    it just gets better. we is winning!

    It didn't ever refresh until I actually pressed F5 though :(

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:43

    It didn't ever refresh until I actually pressed F5 though :(

    ahh, ok. no worries, that i can look into.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:43

    Right I'm off campers... Have fun :)

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:43

    night alex, and cheers.

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:44

    Right I'm off campers... Have fun :)

    Night Mr Alex, might head off in five minutes as well.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:44

    night alex, and cheers.

    and r.g.

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:44

    ahh, ok. no worries, that i can look into.

    Interestingly the sleep sign came up... and when I dismissed that it still didn't pick up the new comments... Not a biggie though :)

  • Dom30/04/2009 at 21:44

    Night Alex. :)

  • Alex Andronov30/04/2009 at 21:44

    night alex, and cheers.

    Night all!

    Cheers everybody!

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:45

    and r.g.

    I said in five minutes ;)

  • Rob30/04/2009 at 21:46

    Its the 1st of May tomorrow (obvious I know) and for me it is astonishing to think that this will be 15 years since we lost the best Grand Prix driver of all time (cue debate). I still remember watching the race in our little cottage and waiting for the 9pm news (no internet in those days) to find out what we knew had already happened.

    Raising a glass right now to the great man!

    Rob

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:47

    (cue debate)

    no more. i surrender.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:47

    Its the 1st of May tomorrow (obvious I know) and for me it is astonishing to think that this will be 15 years since we lost the best Grand Prix driver of all time (cue debate). I still remember watching the race in our little cottage and waiting for the 9pm news (no internet in those days) to find out what we knew had already happened.

    Raising a glass right now to the great man!

    Rob

    Uh-oh :(

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 21:48

    I find your fascination with Taxi Racing interesting. Tell me, do you watch it often?

    That was quite interesting. The commentary too.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:48

    I find your fascination with Taxi Racing interesting. Tell me, do you watch it often?

    That was quite interesting. The commentary too.

    unfortunately not like that these days - a bit boring now...

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:48

    Its the 1st of May tomorrow (obvious I know) and for me it is astonishing to think that this will be 15 years since we lost the best Grand Prix driver of all time (cue debate). I still remember watching the race in our little cottage and waiting for the 9pm news (no internet in those days) to find out what we knew had already happened.

    It really is amazing when you think about it. 15 years - man, where did they go? :(

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 21:49

    no more. i surrender.

    I love the way he snuck past the moderation queue too. :D

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:49

    unfortunately not like that these days - a bit boring now…

    I'll watch Bathurst though. But yeah, the racing ain't what it used to be.

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:49

    I love the way he snuck past the moderation queue too. :D

    unreal!

  • Rob30/04/2009 at 21:49

    Why uh-oh?

    I always remember May 1st - formative times and all that... :-)

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:49

    Shall head off now.

    With the Doohickey no a girl, am renamind it Lucy.

    Live Ultra Commenting Yathingy

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:50

    unfortunately not like that these days - a bit boring now…

    I'll watch Bathurst though. But yeah, the racing ain't what it used to be.

    Same here. Bathurst is worth it, but it aint the same as the Group A days!

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 21:50

    Haha, Martin Brundle's 'commentary' is hilarious on F1 Championship Edition. It's like he's readign a book :D

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:50

    Why uh-oh?

    we had that debate this morning. and then... we had that debate this evening.

    don't worry, everyone is humouring me ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:50

    unfortunately not like that these days - a bit boring now…

    If you search on Youtube "ATCC" and then add 1990, 1991, 1992 or 1993, you'll find the full series videos all uploaded on there. ;)

    I'm currently watching the 1993 Oran Park Grand Final Race 2. :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:51

    Why uh-oh?

    I always remember May 1st - formative times and all that... :-)

    Umm, read back from earlier. Let's put it this way, it was a disaster of epic moderating proportions. I was totally wiped out!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 21:51

    Haha, Martin Brundle's 'commentary' is hilarious on F1 Championship Edition. It's like he's readign a book

    "Once upon a time, kiddies..."

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:53

    Before one goes for good, shall say I really like todays Big Picture for some reason. Nice close up of the cars. Nice find.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 21:53

    Live Ultra Commenting Yathingy

    How about LUCIE - Live Ultra Commenting Interactive Experience?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:54

    Why uh-oh?

    we had that debate this morning. and then... we had that debate this evening.

    don't worry, everyone is humouring me ;)

    Just curious here, but how do you plan to deal with tomorrow?

  • RG - I know its 200930/04/2009 at 21:55

    How about LUCIE - Live Ultra Commenting Interactive Experience?

    Nice one.

    Right definatly gone now, ciao to all, and lucie.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 21:59

    me: 30/04/2009 at 00:23

    not sure if i missed this, but pat’s post re: THAT song:

    http://toomuchracing.blogspot.com/2009/04/felipe-baby.html

    Ta for the link. I'd put it on twitter but not here, can't recall why now.

    It's getting a rather big number of clickies...

  • me30/04/2009 at 21:59

    Just curious here, but how do you plan to deal with tomorrow?

    my take (and i am very aware that i'm in a minority here), is that we celebrate / remember events way too frequently.

    so call me in 10 years time and then we'll have a significant number worth discussion.

    on that basis we'll cover the 15th anniversay the same way we covered the 14th.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 21:59

    I love the way he snuck past the moderation queue too. :D

    unreal!

    I can think of other ways to do it, but if Mr & Mrs C really don't want us to talk about it then it really isn't worth the hassle of trying...

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 22:00

    I can think of other ways to do it, but if Mr & Mrs C really don't want us to talk about it then it really isn't worth the hassle of trying...

    Why would you want to circumvent a moderation queue we've put in for our own sanity? Seems quite mean.

  • Rob30/04/2009 at 22:01

    How to deal with tomorrow?

    Stick on the old VHS of Monaco 1992 - and enjoy with a beer or three!

    Pre-wedding trip with the current wife - happy days..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:03

    I can think of other ways to do it, but if Mr & Mrs C really don't want us to talk about it then it really isn't worth the hassle of trying...

    Why would you want to circumvent a moderation queue we've put in for our own sanity? Seems quite mean.

    That's what I meant ... kinda. I'm trying to say that the best thing to do here is not to try, so it respects the house rules etc.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:03

    I hate cheese. Solves the problem

    I refuse to believe anyone hates cheese. [yes I'm trawling]

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:04

    BTW Gavin: If you’re post trawling “5 pints of roflcopter” is awaiting your approval [Who can post trawl in these 900 posts per times?]

    apparently I can

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:05

    How to deal with tomorrow?

    Stick on the old VHS of Monaco 1992 - and enjoy with a beer or three!

    Pre-wedding trip with the current wife - happy days..

    Stop talking about it. They don't want us to talk about it. We get moderated for mentioning it!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:05

    BTW Gavin: If you’re post trawling “5 pints of roflcopter” is awaiting your approval [Who can post trawl in these 900 posts per times?]

    apparently I can

    Cheers Pat, I missed that one!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:06

    Stop talking about it. They don't want us to talk about it. We get moderated for mentioning it!

    Is this now becoming an unmentionable? I'll get the Wiki ready...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:06

    Stop talking about it. They don't want us to talk about it. We get moderated for mentioning it!

    Is this now becoming an unmentionable? I'll get the Wiki ready...

    I guess it is, sadly :(

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:07

    Is this now becoming an unmentionable? I'll get the Wiki ready...

    Whatever it is, will I know it when I trawl that far?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:08

    Whatever it is, will I know it when I trawl that far?

    Yep pretty much.

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:08

    Stop talking about it. They don't want us to talk about it. We get moderated for mentioning it!

    in fairness, it's not the subject matter that's the problem.

    it's just there's a limit to how much arguing any sane person can take. my limit was reached at 1pm. let alone having another argument 9hrs later.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 22:09

    Is this now becoming an unmentionable? I'll get the Wiki ready...

    It most certainly is not an unmentionable. If there are sensible thoughts and comments to be made, we are more than happy for them to be shared.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:09

    it's just there's a limit to how much arguing any sane person can take. my limit was reached at 1pm. let alone having another argument 9hrs later.

    We get that all the time on the place Gavin and I talked about in London and is the reason I for one am fed up it.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:10

    it's just there's a limit to how much arguing any sane person can take. my limit was reached at 1pm. let alone having another argument 9hrs later.

    Not to start anything up, but I've seen no arguments about the matter at hand. Although it seems there's now something brewing regarding whether it can mentioned or not.

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:10

    Is this now becoming an unmentionable? I'll get the Wiki ready...

    no. not at all. arguments are the thing that are becoming unmentionable. especially crap ones like we had this morning.

    e.g. "you mean you want drivers to DIE, DIE you say, men with children, you wish them to be all KILLED?".

    that kind of nonsense belongs at planet-f1.

  • Christine30/04/2009 at 22:11

    Not to start anything up, but I've seen no arguments about the matter at hand. Although it seems there's now something brewing regarding whether it can mentioned or not.

    If you haven't seen it, it means we're doing our job properly.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:11

    it's just there's a limit to how much arguing any sane person can take. my limit was reached at 1pm. let alone having another argument 9hrs later.

    We get that all the time on the place Gavin and I talked about in London and is the reason I for one am fed up it.

    Exactly. Sadly I haven't even logged in there since before Bahrain because (a) I know exactly what is being said and (b) I know exactly who is saying it. We nearly got there today...

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:12

    "you mean you want drivers to DIE, DIE you say, men with children, you wish them to be all KILLED?"

    What? I'd never post anything like that, and I know that's not what you're suggesting. Whoever gets their kicks writing stuff like that is being ridiculous and really needs to get a life.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:12

    Is this now becoming an unmentionable? I'll get the Wiki ready...

    no. not at all. arguments are the thing that are becoming unmentionable. especially crap ones like we had this morning.

    e.g. "you mean you want drivers to DIE, DIE you say, men with children, you wish them to be all KILLED?".

    that kind of nonsense belongs at planet-f1.

    Who said that ? That looks like it was taken out of context!

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:13

    Who said that ? That looks like it was taken out of context!

    nobody said it. but that was basically where the conversation was leading.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:14

    So what is planned for this coming weekend, given that it is a long one (ha!) and there is no GP to watch, and therefore no BBC to mutter about?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:14

    So what is planned for this coming weekend, given that it is a long one (ha!) and there is no GP to watch, and therefore no BBC to mutter about?

    Indycar, A1GP and BTCC (finally!)

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 22:14

    So what is planned for this coming weekend, given that it is a long one (ha!) and there is no GP to watch, and therefore no BBC to mutter about?

    Work, then stress about uni, then panel time! :D

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:15

    So what is planned for this coming weekend, given that it is a long one (ha!) and there is no GP to watch, and therefore no BBC to mutter about?

    am wondering if bernie does this on purpose. the first weekend we can actually relax and fit everything... nothing to do.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:17

    If I may say something about the "great man" and try to get things back to normal, I love him because at times he was so philosophical. He used to come out with brilliant quotations and I consider them not only to relate to racing, but to life in general. He really was someone full of knowledge and wisdom. Man, how I would have loved to have just listened to him speak in person...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:17

    Who said that ? That looks like it was taken out of context!

    nobody said it. but that was basically where the conversation was leading.

    Maybe. I think we all just got too fired up and carried away. I for one will make more of an effort to make sure that what I post is not as 'impulsive' as it was earlier, but I certainly don't appreciate being modded without warning and I hope it doesn't come to that again.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:17

    am wondering if bernie does this on purpose. the first weekend we can actually relax and fit everything... nothing to do.

    I wouldn't doubt it for one second. :-)

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:17

    Indycar, A1GP and BTCC (finally!)

    I thought BTCC was last week. Unless you mean you're catching up on Thruxton?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:17

    Indycar, A1GP and BTCC (finally!)

    I thought BTCC was last week. Unless you mean you're catching up on Thruxton?

    Dude, I haven't seen Brands yet!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:18

    Dude, I haven't seen Brands yet!

    Man, are you in for a treat with Plato in Race 3 ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:19

    Dude, I haven't seen Brands yet!

    Man, are you in for a treat with Plato in Race 3 ;)

    Oh, I already saw that ;) Great stuff from 'tato there!

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:20

    So what is planned for this coming weekend, given that it is a long one (ha!) and there is no GP to watch, and therefore no BBC to mutter about?

    1 x haircut (if I get up early enough), 1 x round of golf, 2 x IndyCar races, 1 x finish college project. I need this F1 break!

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:20

    Oh, I already saw that Great stuff from ‘tato there!

    Thompson was great on Sunday as well. There was an incident in Race 3 in which he displayed some great car control. ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:21

    Right, I have to go to bed - I'm knackered. I hope you all sleep well and see you in the morning ;)

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 22:21

    Right, I have to go to bed - I'm knackered. I hope you all sleep well and see you in the morning ;)

    g'night buddy

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:21

    I certainly don't appreciate being modded without warning and I hope it doesn't come to that again.

    understood, but i did explain the reasoning in the comments.

    i don't like having to walk way from spc comments, but i had to today. i come back, and an hour or two later and it all kicks off again. it was either moderation, or switch off the comments altogether.

    we like to have fun at spc, we name corners after singers named after foodstuffs. that's about our level.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:22

    Isn't there some sort of racing this weekend somewhere... I sat through Blue Peter this morning trying to work out if I was just weird, or if it really was a german team that comprised of brits....

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:22

    Right, I have to go to bed - I'm knackered. I hope you all sleep well and see you in the morning ;)

    Bye Gavin

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 22:22

    we like to have fun at spc, we name corners after singers named after foodstuffs. that's about our level.

    also kitkats hunts. :P

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:22

    also kitkats hunts. :P

    them too :)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 22:23

    Isn't there some sort of racing this weekend somewhere... I sat through Blue Peter this morning trying to work out if I was just weird, or if it really was a german team that comprised of brits....

    British A1 GP isn't it?

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:24

    i don't like having to walk way from spc comments, but i had to today. i come back, and an hour or two later and it all kicks off again. it was either moderation, or switch off the comments altogether.

    Still not sure what went on early and not sure I want to, but from your Tweets earlier my thought was that this has all the hallmarks of a chatroom rather than a forum. I know SPC is neither and both, but..

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:24

    we like to have fun at spc, we name corners after singers named after foodstuffs. that's about our level.

    And mocking James Allen's new style with hand gesture and puddles. ;)

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 22:24

    we like to have fun at spc, we name corners after singers named after foodstuffs. that's about our level.

    You forgot comedy songs, but I agree entirely.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:24

    Isn't there some sort of racing this weekend somewhere... I sat through Blue Peter this morning trying to work out if I was just weird, or if it really was a german team that comprised of brits....

    You're making me feel guilty for not posting my weekend preview with all the weekend's racing :-)

    A1GP, FIAGT, WTCC

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:24

    Oh, that was it...

    I was half asleep, not being someone who functions well unless I have to at half eight in the morning...

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 22:24

    Mr C, is there a hangar at Kemble?

    I read today that an aircraft we are debranding is having an engine change there tomorrow

    Hangars aren't essential but quite handy for that task

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:25

    Mr C, is there a hangar at Kemble?

    plenty.

    I read today that an aircraft we are debranding is having an engine change there tomorrow

    are you expecting it back? the one that was there when i watched mclaren was being dismantled for scrappage.

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:26

    You're making me feel guilty for not posting my weekend preview with all the weekend's racing A1GP, FIAGT, WTCC

    It's the start of the FIA GT3 championship at Silverstone this weekend, I believe. I read about it in the latest Top Gear mag. Some awesome cars in the lineup.

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:26

    You forgot comedy songs, but I agree entirely.

    we do those better than anyone!

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 22:26

    are you expecting it back? the one that was there when i watched mclaren was being dismantled for scrappage.

    They're expecting £2k discount on a new plane?

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:27

    We get that all the time on the place Gavin and I talked about in London and is the reason I for one am fed up it.

    Curiously the Felipe Baby song was posted there today, and neither Gavin or I put it there (they don't know we are here).

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:27

    Curiously the Felipe Baby song was posted there today, and neither Gavin or I put it there (they don't know we are here).

    oops! shhhh...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 22:27

    Quick comment ;-)

    Do we think the next FOTA meeting is going to try to change the FIAs mind about the rule changes, especially the "two tier"?

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 22:28

    are you expecting it back? the one that was there when i watched mclaren was being dismantled for scrappage.

    It's an old 737 so probaby not, but they did say engine change not removal so it could be sold on or passed back to the lesors

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:28

    Curiously the Felipe Baby song was posted there today, and neither Gavin or I put it there (they don't know we are here).

    Um.... doesn't this count as outing yourself outing yourself....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:29

    I certainly don't appreciate being modded without warning and I hope it doesn't come to that again.

    understood, but i did explain the reasoning in the comments.

    i don't like having to walk way from spc comments, but i had to today. i come back, and an hour or two later and it all kicks off again. it was either moderation, or switch off the comments altogether.

    we like to have fun at spc, we name corners after singers named after foodstuffs. that's about our level.

    OK, I accept. I come here for fun too, and I don't want to see the flaming and stuff like in other forums - we are better than that, I know we are because I've met all of you and you are a fantastic bunch of people :)

    To stop this happening again, just remember that we all have so much fun and we really get on well - I know it can be a bit different typing here but words still mean a lot.

    ...And this time I really am saying goodnight!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)30/04/2009 at 22:30

    Curiously the Felipe Baby song was posted there today, and neither Gavin or I put it there (they don't know we are here).

    Um.... doesn't this count as outing yourself outing yourself....

    I don't care anymore. People on 'there' are asking why nobody posts anymore, yet no-one can be bothered to answer because it started a flame war.

    ZZZZZ at keyboard now!

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:33

    ZZZZZ at keyboard now!

    shortly to be followed by all the other letters....

    hope you don't awaken with too many imprints :-D

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:37

    hope you don't awaken with too many imprints :-D

    ha. love it :)

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 22:37

    shortly to be followed by all the other letters....

    Here's something interesting - extreme conditions test of the iPhone versus a netbook - it involves motorsport too.

    http://cultofmac.com/iphone-vs-netbook-in-extreme-typing-test/10356

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:37

    Um.... doesn't this count as outing yourself outing yourself....

    I don't care anymore. People on 'there' are asking why nobody posts anymore, yet no-one can be bothered to answer because it started a flame war.

    ZZZZZ at keyboard now!

    All the "discussion" is circular there. Same people, same arguments. I stick around for the odd good post and the community ties (oddly most of them are great guys in person). But it's all very verbose. Here it is more 'grown up', not in age but in attitude.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:37

    messed up my quotes on that last one.

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:38

    messed up my quotes on that last one.

    edit button? where's dat list?

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:39

    edit button? where's dat list?

    :D And so it gets ever bigger.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:40

    People were talking earlier about how they found SPC: I'd written about podcasts on my blog, Gavin left a comment mentioning I might like yours...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 22:40

    Here's something interesting - extreme conditions test of the iPhone versus a netbook - it involves motorsport too.

    Does it tell you how the iphone keeps changing the words you type, and the fact you only get one in three letters right?

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 22:41

    I go have food and watch half a film...

    400odd comments!

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 22:41

    edit button? where's dat list?

    apologies for another question mr c, ive probably been throwing them out all evening, but how would an edit function work with the doohickey?

    The edited comment would just appear when it'd been edited the same as a new comment would appear...?

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:42

    People were talking earlier about how they found SPC: I'd written about podcasts on my blog, Gavin left a comment mentioning I might like yours...

    i remember that!

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 22:43

    i remember that!

    :-)

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:43

    apologies for another question mr c, ive probably been throwing them out all evening, but how would an edit function work with the doohickey?

    simple answer. don't know.

    The edited comment would just appear when it'd been edited the same as a new comment would appear...?

    i think, it would have to morph over the original. but then how would you know it's been changed?

    it'll be the last thing on the list, because it's the toughest to solve.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:43

    ha. love it :)

    bitter, bitter experience...... I had a dent in my forehead for 2 days once following falling asleep on a deskedge/keyboard....

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 22:44

    Is the "doohickey sleeping" thing new? It just started happening to me today.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 22:44

    it'll be the last thing on the list, because it's the toughest to solve.

    it does seem a toughie, i was just wondering then and thought i'd give a shot asking but I can see why it's the very final item of an ever growing list :P

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:44

    bitter, bitter experience...... I had a dent in my forehead for 2 days once following falling asleep on a deskedge/keyboard....

    oh wow! that's some kinda dent. when i sleep at my desk, somehow i remain upright.

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:45

    Is the "doohickey sleeping" thing new? It just started happening to me today.

    yeah. it's temporarily annoying. and soon it'll happen less frequently.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:45

    it'll be the last thing on the list, because it's the toughest to solve.

    One could always abandon the doohickey and go back to the 'main thread' to make amendments if it really mattered that much?

    I'm still just sighing cos it works for me!!!!

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:45

    I go have food and watch half a film...

    was it not very good then?

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:45

    :D And so it gets ever bigger.

    with ever passing hour.

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:46

    I'm still just sighing cos it works for me!!!!

    hehe. old school.

    that could work, except for desktop doohickey.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:47

    oh wow! that's some kinda dent. when i sleep at my desk, somehow i remain upright.

    I think that my main mistake was resting my head down to think for a few seconds... it was 6 hours later when I stopped 'resting'

    Although, I had managed to finish the article in question about an hour after that!

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 22:48

    I think the Doohickey is great as is. The "stream of consciousness" thing is good, and edits would stop that.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 22:49

    I think the Doohickey is great as is. The "stream of consciousness" thing is good, and edits would stop that.

    It's been a lot more marvellous since the new version was made to prevent cross threading me thinks.

    Plus those 2 days it fell apart were worrying days with my love affair for the desktop doohickey :P

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 22:49

    with ever passing hour.

    I won't ask just how big it is then! Save you the trouble ;)

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:50

    The "stream of consciousness" thing is good, and edits would stop that.

    Ah - so doohickey = metafiction then?

    (sorry, I can't the the only person who gave up actually reading Mrs Dalloway and just hunted for relevent quotes to support the thesis I decided was the 'correct' response to the question? )

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 22:50

    was it not very good then?

    Pirates of the Crappybean...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 22:52

    It's been a lot more marvellous since the new version was made to prevent cross threading me thinks.

    Yes indeedy. Not saying it can't be even better. But edits are bad, apologys are better :-D

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:53

    Yes indeedy. Not saying it can't be even better. But edits are bad, apologys are better :-D

    true if you're following the conversation live. but less useful if you read back months later. it's a tricky balance.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 22:54

    true if you're following the conversation live. but less useful if you read back months later. it's a tricky balance.

    Goodness, who has that much spare time?!

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:55

    Goodness, who has that much spare time?!

    we reference old comments regularly. if i were to pick one from say novemeber. you might read up and down that particular thread to garner the context.

    in that instance, edited comments would be heaps more useful to you as a viewer.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:55

    Goodness, who has that much spare time?!

    Archivists? PhD student looking at the formation of an online community? me trying to answer the question 'what were you doing on xxx date'?

    :-)

    lpg runs and hides and wonders how she can persuade andy to put the kettle on and make some tea?

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:57

    me trying to answer the question 'what were you doing on xxx date'?

    that is a really useful thing.

    in fact f1 minute is proving super useful for that right now. this time last year run-off areas were under discussion after heikki's accident.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 22:57

    Archivists? PhD student looking at the formation of an online community? me trying to answer the question 'what were you doing on xxx date'?

    *Clearly* I need to up my addiction level.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 22:57

    lpg runs and hides and wonders how she can persuade andy to put the kettle on and make some tea?

    You could just ask! I'm sitting right here...

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:57

    You could just ask! I'm sitting right here...

    if it's that simple...

    please?

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 22:58

    ah, um, I don't think that tea would be hot by the time it got to you....

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:59

    ah, um, I don't think that tea would be hot by the time it got to you....

    it was worth a shot.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 22:59

    ah, um, I don't think that tea would be hot by the time it got to you....

    You can get a one cup kettle that has a usb plug on it.

  • me30/04/2009 at 22:59

    You can get a one cup kettle that has a usb plug on it.

    oooh. i might want one...

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:00

    it was worth a shot.

    How about http://www.paulinesart.com/art/Panda tea.jpg

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 23:00

    oooh. i might want one...

    Now you want a link. Unfortunately it was months ago I saw it.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:01

    Now you want a link. Unfortunately it was months ago I saw it.

    Try ebay - you can get anything there

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:01

    it was worth a shot.

    Plus I'd need an address, liquids don't tend to traverse the Internet very well.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 23:02

    A very smartly dressed Jenson supports the budget cap...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8028092.stm

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:02
  • me30/04/2009 at 23:02

    A very smartly dressed Jenson supports the budget cap...

    that's a better shirt than he had in december.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:03

    Plus I'd need an address, liquids don't tend to traverse the Internet very well.

    on the list?

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:03

    Now you want a link. Unfortunately it was months ago I saw it.

    s'ok, one ahead of you

    http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/usb-cup-warmer/index.html

    http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20060627/readywhenur-sms-kettle/

    best I can do at short notice...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:04

    Plus I'd need an address, liquids don't tend to traverse the Internet very well.

    Have you tried? I have so many holes on teh front of my PC, *one* must be for drinks?

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:04

    on the list?

    Looks like Internet liquids are already out there:

    http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/07/03/wine_usb_tap/

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 23:04

    best I can do at short notice...

    I should hav known iwantoneofthose.com

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:05

    Have you tried? I have so many holes on teh front of my PC, *one* must be for drinks?

    I've seen PC cases with a coffee maker attached. Probably best not to resurrect the old cup holder joke.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:05

    the down side to all this is that it is delaying andy from actually getting to said kettle....

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:05

    http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/usb-cup-warmer/index.html

    that's a warmer though. i want a usb kettle.

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 23:05

    Looks like Internet liquids are already out there:

    whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?!

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 23:06

    Looks like Internet liquids are already out there:

    That is the best thing on the internet

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:07

    that's a warmer though. i want a usb kettle.

    Look - I pointed out that it was short notice...

    I found you an sms kettle!!

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:07

    I found you an sms kettle!!

    Ha. Old school.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:07

    I found you an sms kettle!!

    meh!

    ;)

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:07

    I found you an sms kettle!!

    Does that go with the toaster that puts the weather forecast on the toast?

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:07

    I found you an sms kettle!!

    Ha. Old school.

    surely it should be a twitter kettle now?

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:08

    Ha. Old school.

    What we need is a Twitter Kettle.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:08

    surely it should be a twitter kettle now?

    Some of us just don't find twitter attractive...

    meh!

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 23:08

    What we need is a Twitter Kettle.

    I think this is already on the list.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:09

    surely it should be a twitter kettle now?

    Damn, beat me to it. Real-life twitter here:

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1909386

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 23:11

    Damn, beat me to it. Real-life twitter here:

    everyone take a look at pictures of my cat!!

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 23:14

    What happened to the Top 5 Commenters bit?

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:15

    What happened to the Top 5 Commenters bit?

    gone. removed. kaput. it's an ex-widget.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:15

    It just seems that every blog I go to these days has a twitter stream of conciousness alongside or embedded in it.. it just makes me go arghhhh I don't want to know that you are on your 3rd spoon of icecream and jelly or that your cat had brought in another mouse... or that your toddler has failed to get to the loo for the 4th time in the day, they are only just 2 let them wear their nappy for a bit longer and stop punishing them for accidents that they don't know are going to happen

    arghhhhhhhhhh

    ///off rant. sorry... felt quite good to let that go :-)

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 23:15

    gone. removed. kaput. it's an ex-widget.

    OK

  • Scott Woodwiss30/04/2009 at 23:15

    Damn, beat me to it. Real-life twitter here:

    LMFAO! :D

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:16

    ///off rant. sorry... felt quite good to let that go :-)

    woah!

    :)

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:16

    OK

    more info:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/04/30/daily-30th-april-2009/#comment-284026

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:17

    woah!

    Sorry...

    where's the vrf smilie thingy...

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:18

    Sorry...

    tis ok. a different perspective on microblogging :)

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:18

    woah!

    I guess I had better go and put the kettle on then...

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 23:18

    surely it should be a twitter kettle now?

    Damn, beat me to it. Real-life twitter here:

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1909386

    Oh dear, is roflcopter that popular?

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:18

    I guess I had better go and put the kettle on then...

    hehehehehehe.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:18

    tis ok. a different perspective on microblogging :)

    I guess you've seen the spoof - nano blogging?

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:19

    Oh dear, is roflcopter that popular?

    Please.dont.say.that.

    Another word for the mod queue I think.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:20

    I guess you've seen the spoof - nano blogging?

    yeah. christine wants the glasses.

  • Bassano Clapper30/04/2009 at 23:20
  • me30/04/2009 at 23:22

    Another word for the mod queue I think.

    i'm scared to put anything in there now.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:23

    i'm scared to put anything in there now.

    erk!

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:24

    i'm scared to put anything in there now.

    Well, can people please take note and not use that word. For my sanity this time.

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 23:24

    in theory the funniest and most informative should get rewarded, rather than those who spend way too much time in front of the screen.

    Thats me shafted... ;)

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:26

    Well, can people please take note and not use that word. For my sanity this time.

    heh!

    So time to teach it to the children then....

    need a horned smilie now... how far down the list are the smilies?

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 23:27

    Doohicky 2.5(?) goes to sleep really quickly...

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 23:27

    OK

    more info:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/04/30/daily-30th-april-2009/#comment-284026

    Commenting for 'most posts' will be replaced by angling for 'most hearts'. Nice idea but little to no difference IMO..

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:27

    need a horned smilie now... how far down the list are the smilies?

    :evil:

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:27

    Commenting for 'most posts' will be replaced by angling for 'most hearts'. Nice idea but little to no difference IMO..

    how'd you mean?

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:28

    Doohicky 2.5(?) goes to sleep really quickly...

    temporarily, yes. am monitoring it.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 23:28

    It just seems that every blog I go to these days has a twitter stream of conciousness alongside or embedded in it.. it just makes me go arghhhh I don't want to know that you are on your 3rd spoon of icecream and jelly or that your cat had brought in another mouse... or that your toddler has failed to get to the loo for the 4th time in the day, they are only just 2 let them wear their nappy for a bit longer and stop punishing them for accidents that they don't know are going to happen

    If the tweets are the everyday thing all of the time I agree. I think you should only have a blog or a twitter profile if you are to use it to talk about something you enjoy.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:28

    temporarily, yes. am monitoring it.

    What's the idea behind the sleeping?

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 23:29

    Commenting for 'most posts' will be replaced by angling for 'most hearts'. Nice idea but little to no difference IMO..

    how'd you mean?

    I forsee lots of begging.

    "please give heart me, please heart me" "was that good enough for a heart?"

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:29

    Commenting for 'most posts' will be replaced by angling for 'most hearts'. Nice idea but little to no difference IMO..

    I've just realised that it's a bit like the BBC Have Your Say comments, which I'm not sure is a good thing.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:30

    :evil:

    ah

    its based on that then... use that elsewhere :teehee:

    bet that one doesn't work now....

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:30

    What's the idea behind the sleeping?

    save computing resources if you leave your machine on. in essence, you don't need realtime updates if you're asleep. timeout is low, because i want to be confident it always restarts when you tell it to wake up.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:31

    bet that one doesn't work now....

    erm. what's that meant to like like?

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:31

    If the tweets are the everyday thing all of the time I agree. I think you should only have a blog or a twitter profile if you are to use it to talk about something you enjoy.

    Yep... I just wonder how much parenting some people are actually doing whilst they are managing to tweet every tiny teeny little thing...

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:31

    I forsee lots of begging.

    "please give heart me, please heart me" "was that good enough for a heart?"

    ooooh. hadn't considered that one.

    what if you had to earn hearts though, before you could give them away?

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:32

    I've just realised that it's a bit like the BBC Have Your Say comments, which I'm not sure is a good thing.

    no idea what that is?

  • Flibster30/04/2009 at 23:32

    I forsee lots of begging.

    "please give heart me, please heart me" "was that good enough for a heart?"

    Sounds like my housemates at uni...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:32

    save computing resources if you leave your machine on. in essence, you don't need realtime updates if you're asleep. timeout is low, because i want to be confident it always restarts when you tell it to wake up.

    OK, thanks.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:32

    erm. what's that meant to like like?

    sorry :-( Its a sniggering one (with its hand over its mouth).

    I might just give up on getting tea now though...

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:33

    what if you had to earn hearts though, before you could give them away?

    Oh no. "Kharma". It's a bad idea, trust me.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 23:33

    what if you had to earn hearts though, before you could give them away?

    Possibly... sort of a 'regulars' thing..

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:34

    Hearts could end up being like the whole facebook 'friend' thing

    erk

  • Lukeh30/04/2009 at 23:35

    My pillow is calling out my name so time to head off onto the train of sleepy into the land of dreams

    night everyone :)

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:35

    no idea what that is?

    Think of all the racist, sexist bigots in the country arguing online. This comment generator is scarily accurate:

    http://ifyoulikeitsomuchwhydontyougolivethere.com/the-twat-o-tron/

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:36

    I might just give up on getting tea now though...

    OK, OK. I get the message.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:36

    Possibly... sort of a 'regulars' thing..

    Uh oh - Mod points. :S

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 23:39

    sidepodspace update

    Has the world stopped spinning? NASA have moved a launch forward. Theshuttle mission to Hubble will now launch on May 11th instead of May 12th.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:39

    Oh no. "Kharma". It's a bad idea, trust me.

    message received. any better suggestions though?

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:39

    night everyone :)

    see ya lukeh.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:40

    message received. any better suggestions though?

    Have to read back on this thread first. I was involved with this sort of thing at a place I worked once. Sadly it was driven by a guy with quite an ego, who was mostly looking for a way to make himself look good I think.

  • Pat W30/04/2009 at 23:41

    message received. any better suggestions though?

    Not sure we need them?

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:42

    message received. any better suggestions though?

    I guess there is the Digg model....

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:44

    Not sure we need them?

    depends on how you look at it i guess. right now we have more comments than i can read. if comments were hearted along the way, i might be able to filter just those that were relevant. an important link, or an insightful opinion, for example.

    i don't necessarily need to see every hello, good morning, and good night. or maybe i do? i don't know.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:46

    I guess there is the Digg model....

    that too. although digg has the option to mark down as well, right? it would be nice to only be positive and highlight the best. as opposed to trying to bury comments as well.

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:48

    that too. although digg has the option to mark down as well, right? it would be nice to only be positive and highlight the best. as opposed to trying to bury comments as well.

    Yes that would work here at the moment, because you ahve managed to create a very friendly community, hence no need for voting down. You really only need that when the trolls arrive.

    However, if people aren't too thin skinned, voting down can be useful, just to show how many people disagree. Slashdot uses this as well.

  • Andy Taylor30/04/2009 at 23:49

    i don't necessarily need to see every hello, good morning, and good night. or maybe i do? i don't know.

    Probably not, but then this is part of the attraction of this place - in that it's not a forum or a chat room or twitter or whatever - this is Sidepodcast.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:51

    Probably not, but then this is part of the attraction of this place - in that it's not a forum or a chat room or twitter or whatever - this is Sidepodcast.

    true enough. the problem actually has been resolved. we no longer have comment counts.

    hearting is an additional feature, the idea appeals to me, but it may be completely unnecessary.

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:53

    hearting is an additional feature, the idea appeals to me, but it may be completely unnecessary.

    Probably.

    I suppose it depends on whether your readership/contributors as well as yourselves are intrinsically or extrinsically motivated? So far, most seem to fall into the intrinsically group - possibly why SPC seems/is more 'grown up' than many places?

  • Pauli (oz)30/04/2009 at 23:54

    true enough. the problem actually has been resolved. we no longer have comment counts.

    Oh the wonders of running a web forum.

    We really can't thank you enough Mr C.

  • Steven Roy30/04/2009 at 23:55

    I suppose it depends on whether your readership/contributors as well as yourselves are intrinsically or extrinsically motivated? So far, most seem to fall into the intrinsically group - possibly why SPC seems/is more 'grown up' than many places?

    Never heard the word extrinsically before. Interesting.

    Personally I am not a big fan of all the thumbs up thumbs down systems.

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:56

    We really can't thank you enough Mr C.

    it's very interesting watching everything grow. actually a privilege i guess.

    it's already bigger than we ever imagined. i guess the question is how big is too big?

  • me30/04/2009 at 23:57

    Personally I am not a big fan of all the thumbs up thumbs down systems.

    do you think we need any form of highlighting system?

  • littlepurplegoth30/04/2009 at 23:59

    do you think we need any form of highlighting system?

    It can be a nice thing to have, certainly when you are first building a disparate group into a cohesive one; but given that currently peeps here are not slow to comment on things that they like (or don't) generally, its probably not something that you need to see as a priority.

  • Pauli (oz)01/05/2009 at 00:00

    it's already bigger than we ever imagined. i guess the question is how big is too big?

    Now *there* is the question.

  • Steven Roy01/05/2009 at 00:01

    do you think we need any form of highlighting system?

    For me no but it depends how it is used. Obviously it is ridiculously difficult to read all the comments now so highlighting interesting comments has a value. However I would hate to see people pleading for hearts or complaining that someone gets hearts more easily than they do and I think that would happen.

  • Pauli (oz)01/05/2009 at 00:05

    do you think we need any form of highlighting system?

    Hmm. Could you have a radio button system, to define "social" or "topic" posts maybe? Just to weed out the comments on Kettles and Pandas etc?

  • Aitch01/05/2009 at 03:07

    ‘On the 30th of April 1983 the blues world cried’

    What about the 30th of April?

    April 30th 1983 was the day that the father of electric blues, Muddy Waters, passed away. Sad sad day.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)01/05/2009 at 05:53

    I’ve seen PC cases with a coffee maker attached. Probably best not to resurrect the old cup holder joke.

    The Computer shop where I used to work had an advert where a guy takes his computer back to the shop and gets it exchanged. The reason why? The CD tray wasn't big enough to hold his cup.

    Can you imagine the look of horror on the salespeople's faces when marketing presented that advert to us instore for the first time?

    Yes that's right - stunned silence and looks of absolute horror. A proper David Brent moment. IIRC, we never played the ad in store! :D

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 21:39

    Does this mean we’re just asking for a Spygate redux? {Comment #454}

    Absolutely, Journeyer. You've got it in one. In a way, I hope for the sake of the sport that it's Ferrari that gets caught first because that way F1 might have half a chance of surviving Max's wrath (and it's clear from the comments he made about Ferrari today that he intends to be around in 2010...)

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 21:44

    It’s not about the aero. GP2, A1GP, Indycars, F3 etc… can all overtake and they have aero. So why not F1? {Comment #482}

    Because in those series there's a large difference between the quality of the drivers. Apart from a couple of drivers at each end of the scale, this tends not to be the case in F1.

    (I would say that unequal cars, especially in terms of having strengths in different elements of racing, helps too, but it happens that all the series you've mentioned as having overtaking are spec series...)

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 21:48

    The FIA talked about maximum downforce levels at one point - how on earth would you police that other than having a mobile wind tunnel at every track with a large set of scales mounted in the rolling road? {Comment #520}

    In 2008, there was a maximum downforce level (12000N) in the preamble to Article 3, and no I haven't got a clue how or if they enforced that. It has conspicuously disappeared this year...

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 21:50

    why? why do you need downforce at all? {Comment #523}

    So that the cars stay on the track in corners. With no downforce at all, the cars would need to be much, much heavier to get round corners at above 100mph...

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:02

    But they can fit the McLaren system in now can’t they. This just stops it being a penalty for the heavier drivers I guess. {Comment #659}

    Adrian Sutil can't fit the McLaren KERS system in his car because he's too heavy for the system to be of benefit. Besides, a flat 15kg increase merely moves the goalposts - the heavy drivers still fact the same disadvantage as before. They should have done what the drivers suggested in F1 Racing last month and imposed a mimimun driver-and-seat weight instead of messing about with the basic weight.

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:04

    Yep, pity I found out my degree is useless after I graduated {Comment #679}

    Same here, unless you count the improvement it made to my blogging :( In fact, I'd have been better off trying to enter the sector I was aiming for without a degree, as I ended up overqualified for the base level and underexperienced for the level above.

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:10

    I won’t consider my expert in the situation, but surely you can see when a team loses a rear wing, they spin off (Firman in Japan was it not?) {Comment #689}

    Hungary 2003, second Saturday practise (and that's something else I'd like to bring back - one Saturday practise sessions isn't enough excitement for me...), but yes - lose a rear wing in the middle of a run and the consequences are serious. Besides, they make the driver ahead liable to be the innocent victim of "kippering" (being attacked from behind by a car with enough speed to climb onto them) while the perpetrator frequently gets away with it.

    If you lose a rear wing before the car ever gets onto the track, you redesign the car to make the whole thing balance out again as best you can.

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:17

    why do Renault call it the World Series when there’s not one race that takes place outside of Europe? {Comment #746}

    Erm... ...wishful thinking?

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:30

    Global warming has other apects to it which are never considered. If we raise the temperature of the planet we get a much wetter climate all round. People in Africa are dying every year due to drought so a wetter climate seems like a good thing. {Comment #847}

    The trouble with that theory is that it doesn't all get wetter. The average place may be wetter, but prevailing air movements and topography mean that only some parts of the world get more rain. For example, the Sahel (the part of Africa between the Sahara and the central African grasslands) is drying up very quickly. So for the people who live there, global warming is making their situation worse. Conversely, India (another place where the agriculture struggles to keep pace with population) is getting wetter and, at least in this respect, benefiting from climate change.

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:34

    I doubt that we will solve what killed Senna or Global Warming here tonight… That’s all {Comment #885}

    Quite. In neither case do any of us have sufficient information for that to happen, even as a group.

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:36

    i have misplaced a kitkat somewhere though guys, if anyone really wants to solve a mystery {Comment #892}

    It's in the last place you'll look.

  • Alianora La Canta02/05/2009 at 22:38

    Kitkat update: My mum ate it. {Comment #930}

    Oh no!