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Sidepodceefax never truly took off....
Hello and welcome to Friday! Here we offer such wonderful amenities, with Formula 1 practise, news, some awesome links along the way and of course a whole handful of good times. In fact, why not start off with a bit of a celebration? Today is Fernando Alonso's birthday! Happy birthday Anando! Let's hope he gets a very big birthday present to celebrate the day. We can have our own little celebration with F1 practise today in Hungary in which Christine as always brings the race information and your every need.
Paddock News
No, not a new colander, he wants a new calendar... - Just like a footstep in a cement block on a rainy day, it may not be set in stone yet but Bernie is already looking at shaking next years calendar up and making some major changes. It seems the US will be going to the end of the year along with Bahrain which will be most welcome, and as well as that India gets brought forward near the start and, most importantly to me, Australia starts and Brazil finishes. That sounds lovely jubbly to me, Rodders. What do we reckon, Sidepodpeople? Is it a mistake taking Austin away from the Canada back to back? Only plans right now though, it may not even change.
Super Sauber Stay Strong for S2012 - it seems Peter Sauber has already made his mind up and the winners of the Sauber Apprentice turned out to be Kamui Kobayashi and Sergio Perez, as they get another year in the Sauber. Good decision from Peter if I may say so myself although his next choice should be to bring back the sexy Sauber livery from years back. Although then we would have 3 Red Bull-badged cars. Two is confusing enough. Hell, one team is confusing enough.
Elsewhere...
Monopolised the wrong way - So it turns out we're all stupid. I'm sorry, I really don't mean that. But, you know, we are. We've all been playing Monopoly the wrong way people. Yes, that's right. all these years and we're all wrong. Even the actual rulebook that comes with Monopoly says it. This reminds me of that time I got told we were all eating bananas the wrong way. Mind = BLOWN!!
Getting down to the Bear Necessities - There is a new member of the Sidepodcast HQ joining Mr C, Christine, Bibendum and Panda (and the giant fan) and that is... Ant! OK so it's not actually Ant as in the Anthony Davidson but instead fluffy Ant. Because he's small, adorable and perhaps because he has links to Mercedes. But mose importantly, because the giant headset fits him perfectly. Welcome, fluffy Ant!
C:/documents/happybirthday.txt - The wierd and wonderful (it was the only cliche I could think of) MS DOS has turned 30 this week and must be going through a midlife crisis now it's no longer needed in this DOSless world but let's look back at the great times we had with DOS. Like that time it ran Theme Hospital, and that time no one knew what to do with it. Now go and shake your fist at that nasty Windows 95 for ruining your 15 minutes years of fame.
Forza's looking to hit the top gear - This is just awesome. We already knew that Forza Motorsport had tied up a deal with the Top Gear guys to be a big part of the game but it seems the multiplayer modes will include stuff from the show including Car Football and Car Bowling, and as well as that Clarkson has got his voice in the game telling you about the cars... in the world.
And the last little things...
- Have you ever wondered how Richard Branson runs Virgin? Of course you have. Well now you know! I like the special cameo a lot.
- You can currently get Tekken Bowling for free on iOS. Yes, that's right, Tekken as in the fighting game. Yes, that's right, bowling. Yes, that's right, free.
- I spent most of last night listening to Elbow's newest album Build a Rocket, Boys! and they've finally won me over. It's a very good album, and I thought they did a top job at Glasto too so it felt like something worth sharing and a recommended listen
And that's me sorted for today! Good old Fridays. I would very much recommend taking a look at the future of the Daily Threads and the discussion being had in the comments on that thread because it's a good chat about where the site could be going next. But please do return and join in the comments here too because you're most welcome! Have an excellent day!
wow!!
oh my word
Amazing.
Love the teletext Lukeh
Is it a mistake taking Austin away from the Canada back to back?
The efficient part of me doesn't like it, but the human part of me is happy people won't roast on the tarmac there in June.
I read something last week about someone talking about playing Monopoly and how they had bidding wars and I just thought they had made up their own rules
Australia at the beginning, Brazil at the end. As it should be.
However:
I thought new races were never back-to-back. Although thinking a bit more of it, they've been there just a few years ago...
We discovered it after seeing it as an option in a computer version, several years ago now... we tried it in the 'real' games and they got a lot faster.
we could have a 12-stop race, with tires melting after a few laps
It must make the game a lot faster and more interesting
More deals to be done
I can't believe I played Monopoly wrong all my life
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Lukeh You broke the 8 character filename rule. it should say c:documen~happybi~ :P
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In Argentina we have a heavily modified version, in which streets, houses, hotels, and utilities are replaced by provinces, small and big farms, and trains. It was localized to a predominantly agricultural economy at the time in which the game appeared.
It's been years since the last time I played it, but I remember our biggest achievement was that we once broke the bank :)
Just swa the teletext now. I am in 8-bit colour glory. Almost want to play Pole Position on the commodore 64 nemulator....
Cat dancing on the keyboard? :)
Figures that mr. C knows C......
Surprized that he did not clue in on the DOS joke.
oooooooh. mr c!
There are so any variations of the game available now.
:)
Dad owns several of them.. cupboard full of 'em
The command line (not-DOS, but close) it's still the only place I can easily find the MAC address on a windows machine...
I love the picture! That is up there with the most awesome things in sidepodhistory!
I feel the need to share the fact my ankle is in immence pain for no apparent reason whilst the daily still exists! :D
As soon as i get back to the uk i am checking cefax out!
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 29th July 2011
- Daily: 28th July 2011
- Hungary 2011 - Race information
- Chopping and changing
- Daily: 27th July 2011
Woohoo!
I have just published my fourth film review on my Blog site:
http://jdkallen.wordpress.com/
For those of you who like Bruce Lee movies or Kung-Fum movies, I bring you The Chinese Connection, know also known as Fist of Fury.
That picture is a pretty good argument for keeping the Daily. :D
Love, love, LOVE it.
Looks like Travis Pastrana just broke his leg at the X Games. So much for the Nationwide debut this weekend.
I hope he's okay. I had only heard of his drive this weekend in passing. Reports are that he has a tib/fib break.
Or not.
@TravisPastrana
I'm on my way to the hospital for x rays, something with my foot, Ill keep everyone posted.. Might be driving with my hands on Saturday
Love your picture for the daily Lukeh, very creative as always
From one of the many who just sit, lurk and read but do not participate by commenting that much, Sidepodceefax is very very good....
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 29th July 2011
- Daily: 28th July 2011
- Hungary 2011 - Race information
- Chopping and changing
- Daily: 27th July 2011
Morning all,
Looks like I'm the bearer of bad news...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9550930.stm
F1 off to Sky! GAH ADVERTS
Accodring to what Ive seen on the news, the BBC will still also show half the races, which is weird, I just hope they keep the same production team across both channels otherwise any cost savings on the BBC side are irrelevant.
Also, even thought eh races will be on Sky Sports by the sound of it, will they show these free to air, as otherwise, surely they'll be a massive fuss kicked up by the sponsors?
Luckily I pay for Sky anyway for the football, if you don't your looking at about 300+ quid a year to see every race live!
There's going to be positives, such as HD practice sessions, F1 on the go through mobile devices, potential of having a decent commentary team.
But the negatives are going to far outweigh the positives - paying to watch F1. It didn't work before, and I don't think it will work now.
WHOA.
The BBC already has a decent commentary team - and their names are Brundle and Coulthard. On the other hand, does this open up a possibility for Ben Edwards?
I'm not from the UK, but I very much feel your pain.
Jeez. what sucky news to start a Friday :(
Yes, that's who I'm think of. When Sky Sports broadcast A1GP, the commentary team was Ben and John Watson, in my opinion one of the best combinations I've had the pleasure of listening to.
Assuming, of course, that they don't manage to pirate Martin Brundle over.
With only half the races on the Beeb now, expect Jake to leave the F1 coverage as well and focus on the Olympics.
i remember well the pain of f1 going to Sky in New Zealand in 2006 when i didn't have it and couldn't afford it. Sorry Britain, this sucks for lots of you :(
I really can't see the point unless they share the same production, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't just port the current set up over to Sky, the only issue on the shared races would be when Sky goes to commercial!
Also, this is a huge defeat for FOTA and FOM (who both wanted F1 to stay on free-to-air).
It also happens with MotoGP, actually. BBC shows the MotoGP live, while Eurosport shows it on a delayed basis (while showing 125s and Moto2 live).
With the same commentary etc? If so sounds I think that that sounds like a good solution to stop all the license fee whiners, whilst I assume still getting all the 2pmish European races on the BBC over the summer.
Or Alternatively I guess Sky may want to showcase the summer races when they have no football to show.
Bar the adverts (and the cost for folk who don't subscribe already) I think there will be some real positives to Sky covering F1, they are excellent at the vast majority of things they do, covering Football FAR better than the BBC ever have, I suspect they'll be some decent spin off type shows like Sunday Supplement and Goals on Sunday they have for the football
For sure, they'll show Monaco, GB, and Brazil on the Beeb. I'm guessing they'll also show Abu Dhabi, Singapore (both night races), Canada, USA (UK primetime), Australia (first race), Belgium, and Italy.
Nope, they have separate teams. IIRC, BBC has a policy of having talent exclusive to the Beeb (which is why Ben Edwards never joined BBC).
Well, yes, but I never had any complaints about the BBC coverage of F1. Why fix what isn't broken (and charge us for it)?
The C's will NOT be happy. They didn't even have a TV before, now they need to get Sky?
Anyone else expecting more people to watch online streams rather than subscribe?
Absolutely. The problem is, FOM is the most vigilant organization I've seen in shutting down streams. People will get sick of it very quickly and just not bother watching at all.
good old Bernie...
I had better start work! #nothere
Any chance at all that there won't be adverts during race? Sky don't put adverts in the middle of football, or films?
Any and all positives about Sky coverage (and I don't think that there are any, as the BBC coverage has been great) would be completely destroyed if there are adverts. My family still laugh at me for my screaming frustration over every single ad break during the ITV years!
Here hoping...
Very much possible, but no guarantees.
There will be a LOT of complaining over the race weekend to Crofty and Jake.
the only hope for us in Asia is that if Sky will be investing in F1 coverage then Star TV may simply take it over and finally get rid of their hopeless Singapore based team ...
For us Asia folk (assuming you watch ESS alone and not BBC), this is a non-event at worst. And as you said, we may get actually get a half-decent commentary team now (shared globally).
Whatever, I'll remember 2009-2011 as the Golden Era of F1 Broadcasting. I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again.
Hi guys.
Sorry to hear that F1 will be pay-per-view in 2012 in the UK :(
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93447
I'm not sure we're even allowed, to be honest.
Same here.
Not even sure I can afford it.
Bah. Will pick this up after work.
Well I guess at least we'll get to switch between build up features then!
It really defeats the object if you ask me- if the beeb put together a full production team for just 10 races. I wouldn't be surprised if its stripped right back kicking off coverage at the t-5 minute mark, like many foreign stations, so they only have to pay for 2 commentators and perhaps 1 pit lane reporter.
I think I just heard that all the build up will be shown on Sky Sports News, which will be properly s*** with football scores and dullo horse racing news scrolling about all over the shop!
Watch your language, Superbenj.
Oh well I'll be watching less F1 next year :)
Oops! 1,000 apologies
All of a sudden, our debate on the Daily may be overtaken by a larger concern. Now I'm worried that if the C's can't follow F1 properly, then SPC's future may be in danger too.
We were saying the season will be too long. I guess this solves the problem. I'm amazed Bernie has lost something though.
When I read the announement, I kind of assumed that the 'BBC production team' will still work on all races as normal - and then just sell the coverage to sky (as they do to several other countrys already). The exclusivity clauses mean that the beeb gets more money.
Remember, that the BBC is the one with the contract.
True to a certain extent (given that it's no longer all free-to-air). Has he really, though? He may make more money now.
No NO NO NO!
You can watch Sky Sports via an iPod/iphone/Xbox via the internet, in fact if anyone you know who has Sky, who doesn't use their 2 mobile services logins, its very easy to simply share around them about.
I'd offer one of mine but my dad uses it!
Morning all.
Will be on Radio Wales at 8.40 to do punditry!
he may but also the teams may now asking him for bigger share of it the viewing figures drop and sponsors will be asking question about their exposure ...
Could be, but I doubt it. More likely Sky will want its own team in place. And even if the BBC stays on, they will probably lose some of their key talent (Jake to the Olympics, others perhaps to Sky).
Re: BBC/Sky?
That's the one...
Don't scaremonger! Y'all survived without us last year. Have to discuss the news with Mr C when he wakes.
Survived... barely. :|
Absolutely disgusted by this decision. After all the talk from Bernie and the teams and the need to stay Free To Air.
I really don't think I'll be paying for Sky Sports. Viewing figures will plummet
[goes off in a strop]
all I hope for is whatever will Sky come up is what we will get here in Star. Would make sense ... I remember when champions league was still on Sky ESPN Star took the whole coverage over for Asia, including the debates during the breaks
Indeed so. So we won't be in such bad shape (in the short term, anyway).
It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?
all us antipodeans will take over, muhaha
one-hundred and EIGHTY!
sure, what the heck. :D
FOTA really pulling their weight as always.
Australasians would be more appropriate. :)
I have to say, I have been very carefull in the past to avoid saying that I will stop watching F1 for this or that.
However I WILL NOT buy a sky subscription to continue watching F1.
If Bernie wants to run F1 by taking it away from the people who want to watch (and remember, its the 'bums on seats' which brings in the money to pay for F1) - then good luck to him.
But I will spend my time elsewhere.
I would also suggest that, in the long term, it is cheeper and easier to keep the 'fans' interested in F1, than it is to win them back again after they have been driven away....
All the good darts is on Sky too :o(
Crofty does do darts...:)
Bah!
Only on the BBC, though. The major tournaments are on Sky.
How about for any/all races NOT being shown on the BBC, we arrange a sidepod meetup at the house of a sky subcriber - you're all more than welcome to my place on a Sunday afternoon!
Follow the money. Always follow the money. Sky will pay Bernie no matter how many people are watching.
I guess Bernie's spin will be "They didn't want to show it but we've forced them to show half the races, that was the best we could do really."
Regardless of how you spin this, however you look at it, there will be less people watching F1 next year.
Good that 5live still have their deal. Crofty and Ant can stay together.
AM or PM? Am listening now.
Thank heavens they have a separate contract.
In the next couple of minutes I think!
Perhaps, Sky will be lining them up as their dream team!
At the moment, the smart bet must be on Edwards and Watson, I think.
Jake will be live shortly on BBC Radio 1:
http://twitter.com/#!/jakehumphreyf1/status/96843212941033472
Adam Cooper said " Theory is it will likely be @MBrundleF1 & Coulthard, plus @croftyF1 & @antdavidson. But who does which? Follow the $$$..."
Tony jardine as pundit...
He's on!
Listening to Stuart now. Let us know when he's on.
But if the viewing figures plumet then the sponsors will pull out or reducing their spend..
Yes, I know the the UK is only one country in a global sport, but if F1 terms, the UK is one of its biggest markets.
If the sponsors dwindle away, then you can bet the Middle east nations will loose interest in spending so much money.
And how much money will sky pay then for F1 coverage?
Mercedes GP has retweeted this tweet from SPC. http://twitter.com/#!/sidepodcast/status/96655510601863168
F1 will have no choice but drop its price... and end up back on ITV, in all probability.
I think this is just wild speculation:
The #F1 teams did not know about the sky deal. They could still pull the plug on the deal yet
http://twitter.com/#!/KEEP_F1_ON_BBC/status/96847095243345920
Also not sure on the account. ;)
How would he know? Also, if the deal's been signed, they can only pull the plug in court. And that would get very messy very quickly.
does this random tweeter know that for sure though?
BOO to BBC Radio Wales cutting Stuart.
FWIW, I'm surprised the BBC didn't wait until the summer break to announce it. As it is, the weekend will be dominated with talk on this.
Heh heh. They were over-running a bit I think!
I'M SO ANGRY YOU GUYS. I think I'm going to have to stop watching.
Looks like. It's 9 to 9, after all. Switching to Jake on Radio 1 now.
Right. Must shower now. Back on WRC text duties at 9.
So why not drop the price now and keep the fans on board?
When the success of your business/sport is built on high viewing figures, it seems odd to play jepardy with the high viewing figures.
Completely understandable.
Because Bernie wants his money now. In all probability, he won't be around by the time that happens.
No idea, which is why I've noted it as speculation
Oooh...
#endOfDays
Jake on Radio 1: the period of 2009 to 2011 has been the best of my career.
(shortened)
sounds like he's off then.
Well, you wanted politics, you got it now. :P Boo.
He could've been even before this. He definitely will be now.
"Good luck to whoever is doing it... whether I'm involved or not."
Ha!
:( i think we've had our golden age of F1 coverage. what horrible news to wake up to :(
hes probably thinking 'ah well, theres lots of other countries'
is this going to be like when the Times went behind a paywall and everyone stopped reading it?
I mean, i dont think anyone was a *fan* of the Times, but still. Ugh. Let's share the cost of a Sky Sports package and all go round Mr&Mrs C's house.
Absolutely. Mentioned that on F1F earlier. 2009-2011 was the Golden Era of F1 broadcasting.
VPN + Skyplayer next year.
Depends who they get doing it i guess, could well be not worth watching
Don't want to start another debate here, but goodness me, imagine Eddie Jordan being part of the Golden Era.
Possible side effect: less European viewers, Asian viewers will have a bigger share of the pie. Voila, Bernie has justification to move more races to Asia.
Hehe :)
"We will give F1 the full Sky Sports treatment with a commitment to each race never seen before on UK television."
I know the BBC has been great and it sucks paying for it, but what if its even better?
if it's anything like the guys they got doing the F1+ stuff on Sky in 2002 it'll be TERRIBLE
I have one question to ask though - how come football is alive and kicking and on Sky ?
It won't matter who's on Sky, because we probably won't get to see it. Pretty much the Dark Ages.
am completely gutted. only comforted by the idea that Producer Jason said 5 live will continue their coverage. thank god.
I dunno, I saw the Star Sports coverage in Malaysia which also goes out across the region, it was awful. Alex Yoong and a couple of other people sat in a windowless studio.
They have the money to make it excellent.
:)
Jake on Radio 1: Not sure if he knows more then he'll let on but so far doesn't seem to know whether he or anyone from the current team will be involved.
is there another sport we can watch? You guys are the best. I hear darts is making a comeback
Sky sports better, is not necessarily actually better :)
I am going to stay out of talks of Golden Eras and stuff until I actually see what they deliver :)
If SKY made better F1 coverage and no one saw it, was it ever on TV?
:)
BBC5Live + LiveTiming + Timer Tracker + SPC Dashboard it is then! Who needs to see the sponsors, right ?
Sky presentation is not attractive in my view. Too overboard and tabloid
super horrible but it is produced by the hopeless team in Singapore ... not much to do with Sky Sports at the moment other than it having the same owner
Because people watch it at the pub and/or at the stadium. That's a harder ask for F1, especially watching it at the track.
"We will give F1 the full Sky Sports treatment with a commitment to each race never seen before on UK television."
If you want to see the full Sky Sports treatment watch their IndyCar coverage. Remote feed with someone else's commentators + three depressed looking people in a windowless studio.
For the cost of a green sheet and a copy of final cut they could fake the windows.
And lots and lots of people watch streams
Ah Free practice has started! :)
but surely they realise the importance of F1, I imagine they'd treat it a little better than they do some other sports. It's going to have to be a flagship thing.
It's so not like me to try be optimistic :D
Speed TV's coverage in the US is good, although only Will Buxton is at the circuit. Expect to hear more of his name soon...
so how come then Sky makes so much money out of it that it can pay more and more and more everytime the deal up
Oh good the session has started so I don't need to read back and find out whatever bad news is being discussed
Ooh, thread: http://sidepodcast.com/post/live-hungary-2011-free-practice-1
Scheduled it wrong. Good job I got up!
I am wondering... Will the same coverage be broadcast on both the BBC and the Sky channels during the races that have both? Or will there be two teams BBC getting some of the races and carting off the boring ones to Sky?
because pub subscriptions are massively expensive, for one
They might be all out of a job...
Alex that's what I'm wondering, two teams would be crazy. Also wondering if it'll be on Sky Sports 1 and 2 which is available on digital terrestrial, or just on 3 and 4 which is Sat / Cable only
I soooo hope so ! :-)
I need someone to explain this to me, why would the British deal affect what happens in Asia?
Mr Jake predicts LewHam for a win this weekend.
Sky could pool coverage with other newscorp affiliated networks
because guess who owns Star Sports ...
NewsCorp own stations here too, I don't think anything would change.
Star is owned by News International who half own Sky
News Corporation, not News Internationa;
That would be what would happen if NewsCorp took over F1
(being pernickity)
as I mentioned a while earlier, the sports that are on Sky in UK and on Star Sports here usually have the same Sky coverage
Sorry oops.
ah i see
that'd be bad news, I can never get another job if F1 goes to pay tv :D
Both are owned byMurdoch
If they have low value production for F1 and acess to a much higher production, i think they would take it.
Australia is different, they are much more into having their own coverage of things than asia...
sure, but the UK Newspaper publishing group doesn't own a singapore broadcasting company
who is the Natalie Pinkham replacement - Jenny someone?
Jenny Gow.
If you follow her on Twitter you may have seen she does a lot of work for Sky. Presenting Sky Sports News, continuity announcer for Sky One..
I wonder if it was the fact that you can listen in to radio messages that attracted Murdoch to F1...
Brundle out of contract he says. He says he found out last night and is not impressed.
That's Brundle off to Sky, then.
:D
what about the not impressed bit?
An angry Brundle is always great to listen to or read
I think he's not impressed with the BBC for not letting him know sooner.
is Mr C asleep? No one wake him, let him have this blissful ignorance
Stuart, I'm stealing that line!!
some interesting tweets from easonF1:
Can't imagine Bernie told the teams who were insisting on full free to air deal
http://twitter.com/#!/easonF1/status/96848709949718528
Bernie E clearly did not tell teams before he decided to move F1 to satellite telly. Details later
http://twitter.com/#!/easonF1/status/96844246245588992
:)
The one about listening in to radio messages
Saw that - pretty brave for a Times journalist.
He is. I have woken him up early with exciting news before. This... I was not brave enough :)
I want to cry.....and batter Bernie....
I do not want to shell out for Sky sports next year
Is this the death warrant for F1 in the UK?
oh god, it must be horrible knowing you'll have to break it to him sooner or later. Can you do the Gordon Brown sandwich technique: Good News / Bad News / Good News ?
TED News: When [ecclestone was] asked whether he felt it was a shame a terrestrial broadcaster would no longer be showing every race live he said: "It was not us who made that decision".
The good news is next year's calendar will be shorter, bad news is that's because F1 has been stolen from under us, but the good news is it probably means no more EJ.
Sorted.
Maybe start by convincing him that it's going to be moving to edited highlights on Dave.
Anything after that will be a blessing.
It is massively negative. THe press release Crofty read makes no sense. THe 'key' races will be on BBC. So Sky are paying for non-key races? and some races are more important than others? Two tier points system?
:) Nicely done
Hehehe.
Sky get it all, BBC just cherry pick.
pass the blame game.
I don't blame the BBC they have less money and the contract isn't as justifiable as it once was.
I feel like I'm at a wake
Yes but the audience will stick with BBC when they show races. I guess the plan is to gradually move more races to Sky
Teams strike in australia unless the put it on terrestial? :P
Sky do have terrestial channels,its not necessarily going to be on pay tv...
...F1 will gain from the exposure on Sky Sports News though
Any news on a Sky broadcast team?
Ok here me out here.........I think the coverage prior and after the race will be annoying and advert laden but I do think the actual race will be left untouched....the leave the football in peace etc
Anyone watch GT1 on Sky Sports 3? Does that have ad breaks during the race?
I think if you get Sky, you'll watch it on Sky. Continuity is important. If you don't get Sky, you may bother to watch the Beeb ones, but then again you might not bother at all.
The press release says no adbreaks during sessions
No news yet. Jake didn't seem to know when he was on Radio 1 earlier.
I guess a lot of people will watch the races at the pub when they are on sky, and the bbc ones at home?
the only news is that Brundle is out of contract (his own tweet).
Ahh cherry picking.
If anyone's ever wondered why a race they were looking forward to turns out unaccountably, unexpectedly bad, for no apparent reason, or gets massively delayed, or descends into farce. It's a jinx linked to cherry picking.
Check back to the US TV listings and you'll probably find it was one of the few races each year 'cherry picked' by Fox in the US for full national terrestrial network coverage.
Canada, for example, was supposed to be on Fox, but they'd long gone by the time it eventually got going, and it ended up back on Speed TV on cable.
A nation shrugged.
Made me think of something.....I work with a bloke who creates about not paying a single penny to Murdoch.........yet he'll happily go down the pub and watch races so long as someone else is paying
just to diverge to practice a second - i've only got radio - is it wet?
Good news for him, sky will be desperate to keep him so $$$time,
expect his son in an HRT or williams near you soon :P
looks dry
Continuity is important but how many people will pay to watch. Before Sky a world championship fight on terrestrial TV got a huge audience and everyone including my mother knew all the top boxers. Now we have very successful boxers who no-one even knows their names because everything is pay per view. Same could happen to F1. Maybe the audience will be 10% of what it is now.
theres a thread for that ;)
Ugh, I'd PAY Sky to show it for free.
No
Agreed.
Which genius decided to announce it at the beginning of an F1 weekend?
I smell a rat.
Same one who announced Donington at Silverstone
someone not happy with the deal.
...Its a shame nothing happens between races any more.
Crofty reading off a bunch of tweets now in reaction to Sky deal
if it is going to make you feel any better we have absolutely no sports on free TV over here, except local football league that nobody is watching. anything remotely worth watching is on cable. and to be able to watch what I like to watch I need to have 2 different cable companies as the cable companies (not channels) are buying the rights here ... monthly TV bill over USD100 ...
US cable packages with Speed TV in them are a lot cheaper than Sky Sports though.
I can't feel better by relative fortune. I feel WORSE for you :(
Don't know about anywhere else though.
New Zealand is like that, every sport is on pay tv and the country has one of the highest rates of subscription households in the world. The odd thing compared to what I see in most countries is that everyone thinks its normal and I never hear anyone complain about the price of it. I was the only person I knew growing up who didn't have it at home, people thought my parents were weird for not having it :)
the thing is after a while you get used to it.
I think what grates people here is we pay a licence fee and they spend it on tacky reality tv programs like Snog, Marry, Avoid and yet stuff that is watched by adults (you know the ones paying the fee) get their programming cut...
My facebook status is a little ranty today!
that's the tragic thing :(
That is what has happened here. Lots of sports have gradually moved to Sky and now Rupert more or less has a monopoly on sport
Here's the "teams not sure" story: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455
Welll..... no need to be snobby. It's important to have a diverse range of programming. BBC Three is about breaking out new ideas of programming, which is why you get such a mixed bag. The BBC has to cater to all tastes
the one thing I feel bad about is that this seems to be a work of Chris Patten, still a hugely popular person in this city :-(
Is there any point in the bbc anymore?
It seems to be falling apart, loosing F1 is just the begining of the end
Cue F1 fans everywhere pining their hopes on this.
Interesting
of course there is. The BBC is a public broadcaster that doesn't have to programme based on capitalism or revenue. Therefore it provides a wide range of important programming that you won't find anywhere else.
That's not being snobby.....that's just pointing something out!
As you say it's catering to all tastes....seems our tastes are less important in the eyes of the bosses.
but you'd have to cut 1000 snog marry avoids to equal cutting F1, so it's all about balanced savings. I'm not saying I'm happy, but it's a more sensible decision
Only read the start Whitmarsh's response and it is as weak as I would expect. The reason Bernie has been able to do what he likes is because he does this and none of the stakeholders stands up and says this is right out of order and we are not going to accept it
Reading the autosport article, this will be the reason the deal remains as is:
Williams chairman Adam Parr said the key was understanding the finer details of the arrangement – because what teams lose in widespread television viewing figures could be gained in an increased revenue from Sky.
if the teams get some more money, then really they aren't bothered.
But the BBC does tailor programmes with revenue in mind.....ie Top Gear. Considering the BBC does very well out of their overseas sales.
Absolutely. Some interesting stuff at the bottom from Adam Parr about changing media platforms, but it's not really relevant to the matter at hand.
sure but it has a duty to provide a range of diverse programming, which is why you get a lot of politics, history, science programming etc. I mean without the BBC you'd get a bunch of ITV/Sky1 programming, which isn't exactly a wonderful prospect
It's an example of a programme they'd continue to broadcast....as you say the costs aren't comparable.
Most of us are not stupid and not snobby....we know full well the economic conditions imposed on the BBC....allow people the chance to vent about it a little as clearly this is not goign to please fans on a f1 fan site!
Whitmarsh has a legal responsibility to his shareholders, he might want it on free to air, but if it makes the company more money to put it on sky, then he is obliged to support it
I'd suggest writing to FOM and say you'll only follow the races on radio from now on, and you won't be able to see any of the sponsors
Sponsors have always insisted on free to air
If sky put GP2&3 on with the same coverage as F1 it could be great.
I think the BBC had the rights to that and subsell them to eurosport so it could well happen
True, wil be interested to see if any ditch it, vodafone is the only real UK focused sponsor i can think of
Santander has quite a presence now.
I think the Autosport story has been updated since earlier? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93447
Practices, qualifying and races on Sky. BBC only doing races? BBC will show highlights of every round.
(following along whilst I wait to do a stocktake..why did it have to be today of all days)
do you think any sponsors have 'free to air' get our clauses? They'll prob be kicking themselves if they dont. I know UK isn't the only market, of course
get-OUT* clauses
I doubt it...the teams must be aware this is always a chance of happening and cover for it in contracts
Its more for Spain though with Snr Alonso
Lots of sponsors have an intrest in the UK, but there arent so many UK sponsors in F1 now
Someone's gone a bit mad with italics in there.
Vodafone are in so many countries though.
I think you have to look at the bigger picture and how Bernie operates. If this deal goes through there will be similar deals in other countries that currently have free to air TV. Some sponsors may be smart enough to consider this
It also reads like a BBC decision, the bit at the bottom and the Bernie quote someone linked earlier.
Fair enough. I see Hamilton's Santander-smiling face quite a lot.
That's how I understood it
Not the McLaren deal surely
that's not what I've read. We need a clearer statement!
or have they gone, i don't keep up
Drivers only
David Croft wants F1 to go 4D so you can smell what he can smell. Not sure I agree with that, but Sky have invested quite heavily in 3D now that I think about it...
Can you point me at this, its great news!
If there's no ads, personally as a Sky Sports subscriber, I see the move as a good thing, the coverage is likely to get better across the network as a whole, with more dedicating f1 programming and Im happy to put up with the ads, as I normally watch the races on delay anyway, so just Sky+ the coverage start watching 30 minutes after the start, forward through the ads. I do the same now when EJ starts a question that turns, into a statement, that turns into an embarrassed silence!
The new calender has a huge shake up in it http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93453
Not much faith in Austin getting finished in time, could cause them legal problems
"Sky Sports will show every race, qualifying session and practice live"
"BBC Sport will broadcast half the races live, as well as the qualifying and practice sessions from those races"
Ok so who's going to be the commentators.....I can see it being Crofty and John Watson being on Sky...they do alot of GT stuff (and they're actually fantastic at it)...
Where would you're allegiance lie say if Sky races get Brundle and the BBC bring back Leggard......pay for brundle or put up with Leggard?
Oh I bet James Allen thought it was xmas...another way for him to come back possibly
let's appreciate the end of this season, guys! It'll be the end of an era. SPC Christmas party meetup spectacular I say
If sky broadcast the practice sessions does that mean we get them in HD too...
that's be 1 up on the Red Button
Does Sky Sports HD cost more than Sky Sports?
It'll be part of the HD package....if you pay for sky sports and you already pay for HD it'll be included (I think)
I pay for HD at present..
I don't pay for HD (but I have an HD box). So if I... you know what, I'll go and look it up
I am wondering how will this calendar work for Australia. last few years the race was from 5pm and it was scheduled for the first day of daylight saving (or last) I am confused a bit here. next year the time change will come on April 1. looks like they have to start the race earlier than 5pm then ...
Yes, its about 50 quid a month as opposed to 35 odd
HD costs £10 a month more on sky for all channels
You no longer have to pay an extra 10 for separate multi room boxes
Well, fudge that, then. even £35 is too much
the time doesn't change here that weekend though, it changes in the UK.
BBC Worldwide has a say in program creation with a view for resale. So things like Top Gear and Dr Who and Blue Plannet get made. But the BBC doesn't see the F1 as a program they can resell, because they need the rights.
Its 45 then (if Sky sports costs 35), however this 10 will also get you all the other HD channels that exists within your subscription
As i see it sky will have to offer something more than the BBC to make it worthwhile.
I think that has to be GP2 coverage,
You may be better off coming into Sky sports as a new customer...practically throw deals at you...
At the mo I pay £50 a month and I get
Unlimited Broadband
Telephone line
Normal sky package (everything but movies and sports)
Sky HD
Sky+
That might seem a lot (£50) but if you break it all down individually it's not that bad.
UK is March 25, Australia April 1 (I assume Australia the other way given the location :-) )
Oh and sky talk (phone)
It was a bit short sighted, im sure abu dhabi sports would have bought that as they have no English language coverage outside of sessions
I was thinking the other day how much I'd be willing to pay for adless PPV, I thought I'd be happy to pay 10er a race, or 200 quid a year.
Sky sports for a year will be around 500 odd, so loads more than that, if you're not into the football/ cricket/ Rugby then its impossible to justify
thats the problem with Sky Sports... a lot of people only like certain sports. A lot of F1 fans don't like football (prob not the majority, but still). If you could break down the coverage so you could just pay for the F1 then that would be better
at 35 quid a month it works out 42quid per exclusive race
I think they should shuffle the European ones around so I can fit one into my trip :D
Buy bill had edged towards £100, I was horrified when I saw it, so cancelled ESPN (which I must have watched at most 2 Everton matches on last year and perhaps a couple of others) and Sky movies which took about 25 off or so, so Im still paying 75 odd a month, which still seems horrific, it is a very good service though
Does anyone know if you can still get Sky1 on free view ?? i know it used to be... (clings on to grain if hope)
my bill even!
I don't think so no :o(
That's my prob.....i'd probably on watch GT1 (even though watch on Gt.com for free) and maybe the odd bit of Nascar, Indy Car.....but i'd have no need for the other 2 sky sports channels and my money spent on the sports package would probably equal only 10 hours viewing per month
You'd be lucky!!! How could they make people subscribe on sky if they can buy a seperate digi box and watch it free?!
Sky 3 i think?
No races in August! I like.
i dont follow other sports, so i don't know, but it seems like F1 fans get mucked about more than most
http://digitalcomparison.co.uk/providers/sky/upgrades
F1s doing pretty well, look how much football and cricket is still on terrestial
Brilliant picture in the daily Lukeh!
I understand that the BBC need to cut costs, the licence fee has been frozen and they need to cut budgets across the board. I won't be watching F1 on Sky for the same reason that I don't watch football, I can't afford it. On my cable package it would cost an extra £22.50 per month for the sports channels. Unless I get a very well paid job in the next few months (highly unlikely) I will have to do without.
I'm hoping one of the local sports pubs will be showing it, perhaps Bernie wants us all to go out into the community more :)
I disagree. Sky has been routinely screwing over fans of all sports since they launched their original analogue service. At that time they put out a statement saying that no-one would ever have to pay to see a sport that was currently free to air. THey said Sky would only ever charge for new sports coverage that had not existed previously.
Christine, can you video document waking up MrC and breaking the news. It could be a YouTube sensation. To save his anonymity, only record the sound and we'll create an animation around it
He's trying to stop all the pubs closing down!
:D :D :D
This is Bernie. Once everyone is in the pubs he will go round and steal their houses
Hehehe.
from sky website
"If you already have Sky TV, add the Sky Sports Pack for just £20.25 extra a month, or £30.50 extra a month with the HD Pack. Don't miss the Barclays Premier League action on Sky Sports - save £5 when you upgrade to the Sports Pack online. "
http://www.sky.com/shop/tv/sports/
An extra £366 per year! Well done F1...that's me priced out of it.
I hope the BBC air all the early morning races, as the pubs won't be open then
and I hope the pub doesn't mind me bringing a laptop or two into the bar
Here's to hoping the new FIA Le Mans series takes off properly and out prices F1 into oblivion...
I resent paying only £30 for 6 hours of LMp1 racing at Silverstone yet the same seat for F1 is £300...
Greed
If you already have the HD pack though, its the £20
To be honest for me, getting F1 probably going to justify me keeping Sky Sports as I watch so much football in the pub anyway, so they've already made back £240 of their license fee.
You can cut Sky sports monthly as and how you like so if F1 is only for 8 months a year, you'd only have to pay for those
I jsut quoted from Sky's website
"If you already have Sky TV, add the Sky Sports Pack for just £20.25 extra a month, or £30.50 extra a month with the HD Pack. Don't miss the Barclays Premier League action on Sky Sports - save £5 when you upgrade to the Sports Pack online"
I know, the costs are correct, I was just saying you don't have to pay 10 extra for HD if you were already paying that for other channels. Its a flat HD fee across the whole network.
By the sounds of it, most here were not, so it will be the 30 quid figure if they want the full singing and dancing HD.
They'd also get the Simpsons in HD though! And all doc channels etc.
Just to confirm
"Every second of every race will be live and uninterrupted on Sky Sports so no ad breaks, Tracy. We will also be showing more coverage than ever before with every race in HD, plus build-up through the week on Sky Sports News HD and on skysports.com as well as every practice and qualifying session."
Ah right ok....they way it's adveritised is slightly misleading. They don't state clearly if you have an exisiting HD package you'll only pay the £20.25 extra per month...it's inferred you're paying £30+ etc...
At least no adbreaks. The cost barrier is still too high, though.
RT @sniffpetrol 'cost of F1 rights per year: £45m; cost of moving BBC depts to Salford: £900m'
FP2 not on 5 live due to cricket *yawn*
Still on red button though
Yup, as I said for me, as a football fan, it completely justifies the subscription.
If I had no interest in football, Id be fuming right now, as it is, I'll probably get more F1 programming than before
not that I necessarily want/ need it! Seriously though I suspect they'll be loads more nerdy magazine type programs and even perhaps a horrifc F1AM type thing like Soccer AM.
In fact Mr+Mrs C should get on to James Murdock about having a slot! Perhaps the rights to F1 minute could be sold!
time for some twitter campaigning:
chainbear:
dear @VodafoneUK - can you please attempt to resist the F1 sky deal? I'll be forced to follow on radio and won't be able to see your logos
Darn good place to start.
Practice results: http://sidepodcast.com/post/hungary-2011-free-practice-1-results
there is a facebook group to save F1, and those always work really well so go join :) http://t.co/4OepYUB
The BBC already sells it coverage/comentry to several other countrys.
Looks like Joe has a pun surplus if he is already using them in FP1
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/ham-garoring/
They should do, but unfortunatly not.
The commentry is owned by FOM, so that goes out with the world feed
Ultmatly its better to have F1 on pay tv rather than not on TV at all as i have suffered in the past.
Yeh, what a joke! just so the northerners don't feel left out!
(sorry, if that comment was controversial)
I can see the rows tonight when I get home....
'So hunni...you know we shell out for sky already?...how do you fancy paying another 50% on top of what we pay? I don't mind paying for it out of my wages"
"oh so you'll happily pay for the F1 but you won't splash out £30 on blah blah"
I bet that exact conversation will happen in countless homes around the country!
Well the media does tend to be Londoncentric and that needs to be addressed!
I hope eveyone pays attention to what the BBC are spending money on over the next few years and pulls them up on it.
It would be the best response there is
Boo to you, Adam Parr. I'm sorry, but money is not the be-all and end-all of this.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455
I think it has more to do with property and operating costs in London. I imagine once they sell the unused London properties the numbers will look different.
But what would they care? The fans have to hit them hard, and hit them now. So far, they've done that.
Sod the fans. Show me the money
who cares what Adam Parr thinks anymore....
Williams give me the impression of the cliche old man sit in the corner moaning in the pub about past glory days.
Everyone politely pays attention but couldn't careless :-)
Also, its funny all the f1 personalities on twitter saying "oh, it won be that bad" ie. "Must say good things, I might get a job!" *cough* Blundell, M. Hamilton, P. Windsor...
MikeGascoyne: Jarno back in the car and very happy with the new power steering, very good to hear
Goodness.
Its a public organization overseen by a trust, if you complain about wasting money they tend to pay attention.
Lets see where all the f1 money goes...
At least Blundell was upfront about it.
He must be drunk
Would he been as happy if Karun wasn't in it last week?
Nothing like being dropped to make the car better
What is this, a running joke? :D
Twitition to keep F1 free to air http://twitition.com/98ahd
But if people just complain that F1 is being taken away, that's not everyone. They can easily argue that moving up North would benefit all license fee holders.
Who's Tracy?
Yes that is a crazy comparison. They are spending money to save more money than they are spending.
Thunderbirds?
hey all. i have literally just opened my eyes, but wanted to say, sky 1 & 2 are coming to freeview (with a CAM card): http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?class=countries&subclass=0&id=4130
Top Up TV has introduced the 'Top Up TV CAM', a credit card sized device that slots into the TV, to deliver Sky Sports 1&2 and ESPN directly to the television.
apologies if that's already been mentioned. not sure any channels will be in HD either.
we're going to have to move house.
And why is he/she not happening like adbreaks?
You can get it online with skyplayer
It's long overdue. Must be weeks since the last move
:)
You may have missed the whole "being forced to buy a TV because online F1 is not working" thing.
:D
in HD?
we bought a telly because i couldn't cope with watching another race online. i still cannot.
fact.
And the cost of the move to Salford is £200m not £700m and the although the Crown estates estimate says it will cost £850m that is the total amount of money that will be spent in Salford, on rent and property over 20 years and doesn't take into account that the BBC will stop using all of the buildings they have in London. Hence the real number of £200m.
Okay any postives from any of this? Lets put aside cost..
Potentially for motorsports on Sky sports you will get in 2012 onwards
F1 (and in HD)
Indycar
New FIA Le Mans Championship (no idea where it'll be broadcast at present)
FIA GT Championship
NASCAR (and NASCAR Sprint Series)
For me a big factor is the new FIA Le Mans championship...if it's on Sky it'll make a big difference in my decision making process (and batering power with the gf!)
From Sir Stirling Moss:
F1 has won many new fans because of the #BBCF1 coverage the last few years, the new deal will loose those not prepared to pay
http://twitter.com/#!/StirlingMossCom/status/96879484338311168
guys, it's ok. I've sorted it. http://sidepodcast.com/post/alternatives-to-f1-in-2012
Nice....I say we all ditch F1...watch Le Mans racing and race each other online (Gt 5, F1 2010, Forza etc)...
As my gf just said....that extra money you want to spend is also roughly the same price as your Silverstone ticket....
Good point...I wonder if Silverstone will see a dip in ticket sales as fans weigh up their priorites
Good idea. Le Mans 24hr is about the same race time as the entire F1 right? So we can get it all done and dusted in one weekend and have the rest of the year free!
Maybe that is why Bernie gave them a 17 year contract. That way they are committed to pay him so it makes no odds to him if their crowd drops
Erm Le Mans is awesome but the rest of the series is just immense....races at Silverstone, Imola, Spa, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sebring....
Especially coupled with the return of some big manufactuers over the next few years
Porsche, Jaguar, Lotus, Toyota
Ah, i didnt know that, I assumed you got it because #NeedMoreScreens
Problems with bandwidth?
Sidepodceefax is a brilliant thing Lukeh by the way
nope. video streaming on the internet is broken. the way compression works (at least in flash), is it's tailored to cope with slow changes is motion.
i missed every first corner of every race last year, because at the start cars wait for the lights, then 'go, go, go'. the codec settles into a gentle buffer when cars form on the grid and then takes three corners to catch up once they start moving.
Key question... How are you supposed to have a satellite dish in a bunker?
Have one up on the surface....ie cold war nuke bunker stylee
ooooh.
Yeah like in GoldenEye
so we're agreed? We're all moving in together?
Come to think about it I don't think you can really have an areal either... So I think Mr C you are going to have to really rewite internet streaming codecs before you deal with anything else :)
On the end of a long cable
Okay....do we now wish ITV or C4 had stepped up to the plate and got the rights?
cable?
If we can find a suitable bunker in Finland. So I guess Kathi is in charge of organising
Ok... Cable will work!
Okay get her down the estate agents and get back to us. Who's good with cables and stuff - I can see what they've got down Maplin...
Seems the obvious answer. Nuclear bunkers are not airtight so a few cables should not be an issue
Actually Sky Sports 1 and 2 are on Virgin in HD.
Why Finland? Doesi t have a monopoly on subterranean habitats?
oh actually they are all there on Virgin...
http://shop.virginmedia.com/digital-tv/channels/sky-sports.html
Eurosport
most likely
That is MrC's department. I have seen photos of his previous house moves. I think he is stockpiling cables in case there is a world shortage
Finnish internet
I've heard he's more cable than man.
At least that's what the ladies say
I would've said hopefully a few hours ago...
But now i've heard F1's off to Sky I need some justification to splash on Sky Sports...
I feel robbed and basically a bit of a mug at the moment.
we need to move house into a cable area!
How much you bet that they'll put it on Sky Sports 3 just to counter that?
How much you bet that they'll put it on Sky Sports 3 just to counter that?
Assuming F1 will be on one of those two channels. THere are loads of sports channels on Sky.
Bernie probably sold us out as he's short on a few bob for his new plinth made entirely of Fabergé eggs
It does actually look like all of Sky Sports is now on Virgin... But I think that only sky sports 1 & 2 are also HD.
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We need that stats to compare a full package with Virgin and a sky package...taking into account Broadband, phone, HD, and Sky+ style features (pause, rewind live tv).
I bet before the end of the year Bernie will agree a long term free to air deal for Italy. That should help him split FOTA and sell the sport to Murdoch/Ferrari
Apparently all 5 Sky Sports channels have an HD option on sky, but only 1 and 2 are on Virgin in HD
*looks at prices*
hoooooolllllly smokes.
exactly.
Yup!
Wild aren't they! I can just about justify the £50 I spend now on sky (Broadband, phone, Sky+, Sky HD) but to add on another £20.50 minimum per month is downright extortion....
Plus Sky has far too many adverts (that's where Sky+ helps) and you can often play a game where you'll flip through the channels at a certain and all you can find is adverts (I sweat they sync them all up so you have to watch them)...the challenge is to find a watchable program whilst adverts on every other channel.
Also everything is neatly packaged into hour slots...with adverts at :07past...:33 past, and :48 each hour....
guys is there any happy news? I'm bummed out
we got a bear!
http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/a-new-recruit
the point of an ad is for people to see it, that may the reason for above :-)
Dude. That is the best.
The panda is not going to like that
:)
Obviously.....but when you sync them up over 100's of channels can you not see how irksome it can be? That's why more people are turning to Sky+ style services and just whizzing through the adverts. The advertisers know this which is why you're seeing more programmes sponsored by such n such. Plus programmes are now being made with product placement inserted into the storyline....Falling Skies is a good example of that
Also the small matter of the fact you're paying for a subscription service only to be bombarded with adverts....
Fair game on ITV etc where it's free to air but the ad's can get annoying on sky considering you're paying to watch them!
years and years ago there used to be English football on free to air TV over here. not much of it but there was some. then one day news came up that the station is dropping it. outrage outrage followed. then in the last minute a pay TV came with a deal. people had to pay but it was better than missing out ... these days the richest overseas deal Premier League has is from Hong Kong. And people not always happily but they pay ...
so lots of angry response but at the end if the other option is no coverage at all then paid one is better than nothing. those who do not find it worth the money will not watch (same as they would not watch if the coverage disappeared altogether). those who find it worth the money will simply pay and watch and would find it better option than having no coverage at all.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93457
Am I the only one who has Chandhok in the results of FP1 one ?
So glad I'm not the only one who has copy/paste fails.
It definitely says CHandhok there but it was Trulli in the car
F1 isn't football, though. And you have a lot of passionate fans who aren't rich enough to afford it.
this explains the tweet from Gascoine about Jarno being happy about new power steering - if someone was happy it could not be Jarno :-)
Maybe, but I don't think so. Sky already shows F1 there, no?
true, but so can't BBC ...
But BBC isn't the one who'd lose out, it's F1. So if BBC had real issues with budget, then shouldn't FOM and FOTA have adjusted?
Good article from James Allen
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/bbc-and-sky-drop-f1-broadcast-bombshell-teams-seek-answers-from-ecclestone/
Chandhok in Jarno's helmet
With 10 races free to air how much does that work out per race on the remaining ones?
Too much
there could have been more to it then just the price. maybe BBC simply wanted to drop it to show they are cutting cost, no matter what price ... who knows
so why keep 10 races, then? and i find it hard to believe that the BBC wouldn't have kept F1 at the right price. anything is possible at the right price.
becausu it creates the illusion they cut the cost to half of what it was ...
Sometimes you just have to be seen to be doing the 'right thing'. The BBC is a political football.
that is what I think this is all about ...
adamcooperf1 #F1 Just spoke to @jamesallenF1 BTW, says he doesn't want to make a UK TV comeback!
but how does a half-baked solution make anyone happy? the bbc still has to pay for the rights (which angers non-F1 fans), while fans are unhappy that not everything is on the BBC anymore.
Probably the first time JA has said something 100% of the people agree with
ooh dear, I lose F1 in the morning, I've now been informed of my redundancy in the noon time - what on earth is going to happen in the evening? #worstdayever
:D But true.
Go to bed and put on a tinfoil hat now.
I have been through redundancy more than once and I know how awful it can be. Best of luck with finding something fast.
F1 used to be my "something fast"
WOOOHOOO!
Also explains why he wasn't so diplomatic to Sky in his blog post discussing it.
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Live: Hungary 2011 - Free Practice 2
- Alternatives to F1 in 2012
- Hungary 2011 - Free practice 1 results
- Live: Hungary 2011 - Free Practice 1
- Daily: 29th July 2011
:D
FP2 if anyone can bear it :)
http://sidepodcast.com/post/live-hungary-2011-free-practice-2
Crofty live
BBC saying... "It's this or no F1 at all. Take it or leave it."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/29/formula-one-coverage-bbc-sky-share
Nice attitude.
Part of me is really angry at F1 the sport and wants it to be taken down a peg or two.
I always used to get annoyed hearing John Hindhaugh slating the prima donna nature of F1 whilst commentating on Le Mans and other similar races..
But part of me is really starting to agree with him now and I can't believe how so far up themselves F1 can become at times. It needs a good bringing back to earth that is not indispensible....
Why cant they do that with Dr Who, or one of the Attic,Attic,Attic endless property shows?
Those things have fans too.
And F1 doesn't fill 100 hours a week
And probably don't cost as much (overall) to produce.
Has Bernie ever cared? As long as makes money off it, not really. And his advanced age means he (quite frankly) has less of a future to be worried about.
Saying that, I'm not hugely fussed over here as i shouldnt be watching either.
Perhaps the competition between the BBC and sky might see some great innovations in coverage
True,
In an ideal situation they would sell some of their dramas to ITV, and use the profits to fund F1 :)
Only about $$$$$$
What competition? BBC doesn't have the budget to compete, and are just hanging on to a reduced programme to avoid being mobbed.
I love the fact you have to pay for a TV licence before you can even consider getting Sky...
I hope Wimbledon is lame next year...it rains all week and Murray goes out in round 1.
To be fair, I imagine you'd get a similar or even bigger reaction if they ever did this to Wimbledon. I wouldn't blame this one on other sports.
I know....it's just the way the BBC goes mad over 1 sporting event that the country on the whole has 0 interest in for the rest of the year.
The only way out of this is if the UK sponsors get mad, and decide to help ITV get the F1 rights to keep it on free-to-air. I doubt there's enough of them, though.
There are always going to be things you like and things you don't like on the BBC, that's kind of the point of it.
Obviously!..... being a public broadcaster and all! Doesn't mean we have to like it though!
True,
It would be nice if there was a way to opt of out of it completly if nothing intrests you, but i suspect the technology to do that doesnt exist yet
here's a thought, we happily pay for autosport+ and we happily pay for gp+ but we're not sure if it's worth paying to see actual f1 cars race.
Nope. But it also doesn't mean you have to wish bad things on Wimbledon. I quite like that too, so thanks for wishing next year to be miserable.
What will be interesting to see is what the terms of the Concorde Agreement are. If it just says someone has to show all the races on free-to-view (without mentioning that they all need to be live), then I suspect Bernie is in the clear, as BBC will be showing highlight packages of the races.
I'm happy to pay but it's a) a lot more money and b) a lot more awkward because I don't want Sky.
1. i don't buy either of the 2 above, but even if i did,
2. it's nowhere near as expensive as the f1 coverage would become
Interesting. Maybe because you are used to getting the races free
haven't figured out the costs yet.
it's going to be more expensive than what you have now, if only because you'd have to pay a fee on top of the TV license fee. and none of the estimates i've seen are looking rather cheap.
Although, no F1 means we can ditch paying the licence fee.
No it doens't mean i have to wish bad things on Wimbledon...but considering the BBC make a point of saying they prefer wimbledon over F1 can you not take into account my chargrin? It's not directed at you the fan...it's directed at the decision makers to see they made the wrong call.
Don't you still need to have a licence fee to watch tv at home on the Net in the UK?
if you choose to drop BBC and keep the commercial channels, does that mean you don't need to pay the license fee anymore even if you still use the TV?
that said, no BBC means no Doctor Who.
Yes but only if it islive. So iplayer etc does not require a licence
Oh, is that so? Interesting. All right, thanks for that.
itunes.
To watch live TV you need a licence.
Can watch DW via iPlayer or iTunes even!
You need a licence if you have a TV capable of receiving a signal even if you only use it to play videos on
is it possible for the C's to ditch the BBC license fee even if they're getting Sky?
Is it too late to take the TV back? ;)
Sweet
I got a mate (not called dave though) who has a back door access to the entire BBC archives...any program made since 2006 (the year everything made went digital in their archives I think) is available to him. It's like an aladdins cave of programs...far too much choice.
Dont you need a licence to watch the bbc championship races? ;)
So those races won't be shown on Sky anymore?
we're gonna need a tv for the olympics anyhow.
Darn.
Not sure if I said this earlier, but I find it cruelly ironic that this happens exactly a day after Nick said he was getting bored of the lack of politics in F1 this year.
His wish was Bernie's command.
Lack of politics between races...
Its good to have politics back, but why did it have to be at a race weekend?
You asked too soon. :D
In all honesty, though, fixing this (if at all possible) won't be the work of a moment. This will easily stretch into the summer break.
legardj: F1 insider positive about new TV deal. Still free to air - highlights complies with Concorde Agreement - with Sky to develop coverage
i had a bad feeling this would be the case.
that said, a highlights package would work in 1980, where the concept of live broadcast was rare and unique. now, it's virtually a requirement.
Highlights as an option is only for the most casual viewer
But if I put my Joe hat on, the casual viewer is what they are looking to get. They don't care about us nucking futters. They know that we will do whatever to get the info we want. The goal is to get more people, to increase the number of people, not increase the satisfaction of those people. As long as the casual user is happy with the coverage they know that everyone else will tag along.
match of the day is highlights and we watch that as casual football fans. it'll be the same for f1.
How much is a Sky subscription?
Match of the day is a bit different, you cant watch multiple football matches on at once, wheras f1 is just one race
I think the ulimate lowest fee you could expect to pay for sky and the F1 would be £46.25
£26 sky subscription plus £20.25 sky sports
Aye Carumba! I thought it would have been at most a 10-15$ pack you add on to whatever cable / satellite package. Iknow understand much better the griping going on.
On another note, the official word is coming out that Senna is being released in the Montreal are on the 12th.... Let's see, the common cold has a gestation period of 3-5 days.. Friday off!
Another factor is you still have to pay the £145.50 'Licence fee' which funds the BBC otherwise you'll be deemed as illegally watching tv.
This is why it's going to be a hard sell to fans.....
wow, didnt realise it had gotten that high!
I know online isn't the greatest but:
Apparently, the BBC will be able to broadcast ALL races LIVE online. Doing some digging on that
http://twitter.com/#!/f1zone/status/96907423620665344
whether they will is another question.
That source looks about as reliable as a 2010 xtrac gearbox
Is that £ 145 just for the Beeb or are other free-to-air broadcasters covered by that?
hydraulics system
That's not so bad as actually that would enable me to have the ultimate multi screen setup on my plasma.......I can then hook up my laptop to the tv (HDMI connection) and run the BBC coverage stream in the middle and then all around it have live timing, twitter feeds, sidepodcast, onboard view, driver tracker, Mclaren.com etc
how is the BBC connection watching races live? I've heard mixed thoughts
Heh. James Allen has been asked and said he believes that will be the case (comment 45) http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/bbc-and-sky-drop-f1-broadcast-bombshell-teams-seek-answers-from-ecclestone/
It's techincally defined as the charge to recieve a tv signal into your home in the UK....if you ring up the licence fee centre that's how they term it to you.
There is 0% chance that is true.
Its just some schmuck making things up to try and to get fans to his website
joe's optimistic: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/a-look-at-the-bbcsky-deal/
How much do you pay for your cable over there?
10 GBP a month. Much more expensive over there, I understand.
But James Allen has said he believes it to be true, so unless he's doing the same ;)
In truth we won't know much more for the time being.
James Allen doesnt have a clue.
Are sky really going to pay a fortune for something people could watch for free on the BBC website?
Why would the bbc put it on there website and not broadcast it?
zero chance it will happen
Got a funny text from my F1 loving mate (we all know it's lonely at times following f1) and his response was...
So do we watch F1 because of Bernie or do we manage to watch F1 despite Bernie?!!!
I am on a satellite package and have an option of another satellite company and a cable company. (Shaw, Bell and Videotron, respectively).
The basic package will run anywhere from 20-40$ and includes local stations and a couple extras. As you want other channels (BBC Canada, Nat Geo, Discovery, TSN (Eurosport), FoodTV (AKA The Oliver and Ramsay network) you can add them either individually for 2-4$ or find them in bundles (2-3-4 channels) for 6-10$. HD equivalent channels are extra. Some specialty packages (Movies, adult) are 15-20$. Currently I am at over 100$ per month, but need to clean up my list, since the recent purchase of a plasma and the realization that SD on HD blows chunks.
Don't want to be rude here but you don't either. James Allen has F1 contacts and is there at the race this weekend.
In truth we won't know for certain until next year.
Thats not bad at all, what are the premium channel subs like, are they much cheaper too?
from 20-40 for teh basic and youre paying over 100! Sounds like you've got a lot of the adult channels in!
The most highend package is 100 GBP for 20 extra SD channels and 6 HD ones. I don't need that though, and am happy with what I have now.
Just received a text saying I could be entitled to £3750 for an accident I had. Result!! I don't remember having an accident so I guess I must have had a bang on the head.:)
You were driving in the 2009 Hungarian too?
Maybe. I don't remember
A ping I had already planned but seems different with this Sky news! http://mrschristine.com/2011/07/29/friday-five-sports-i-am-starting-to-like/
Results ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/hungary-2011-free-practice-2-results
Afternoon from Spa folks,
Just heard about the new TV deal - a very US TV network set up if I do say so
In amongst all the Sky tv discussion I totally forgot it was Fernando's birthday! Was going to a guest post and everything. oops.
it's not too late :)
best get typing then I suppose ;)
*hugs*
*waves*
how was the trip?
Not bad - a bit tiring. The ol' public transport lark too a while, but it was fine. Will try and get some photo's and videos later if I can.
awesomeness sir.
Love the fact that the BBC is doing some *HD* streaming this week. I hope you UKers get behind it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/mobile/motorsport/formula_one/9542651.stm
All I can hope for is live coverage ;)
Hope you're all enjoying the racing weekend :)
F1Minute ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/lewis-hamilton-leads-both-free-practice-sessions-in-hungary
Yep. That taken a lot of getting used to here. Even in the playoffs half the games are on pay tv and half on free to air. I guess it helps keep the cable tv and bars financially okay
Suffice to say, I don't have a TV and would struggle to afford any kind of Sky package if I did. It's going to be dodgy streams all the way sadly.
down here even though the one tv company has the rights to it, if they're showing F1 delayed on TV they show it delayed online too. The explanation we were given was that the terms of the agreement with Bernie state that they can only show it online live if its on TV live too.
Just a thought: from 2009 to this year, people outside the UK spent money on VPNs and UK IP proxies. Starting next year, it will probably be the other way around, as UK people spend money (but less than a SKY fee) to get a decent pirated feed.
Sopcast, anyone?
I think i will get skyplayer for the first few races at least, and see how they do
Ooo that's made me think...
I have Sky already and an Xbox........if you use Sky player can u get access to the sports channels? What does that cost or is it still the same?
i think it cost me about 20quid a month last time i did it, as i get special rates
i think if you have sky already you just get the channels on your tv package
Sky has a painfully unhelpful website. Do I need a TV package to get Sky Player?
From what I recall in earlier discussion, no.
Interesting.
Nope
I believe you do.....otherwise why would many people subscribe to sky
Been monitoring Jake's Twitter feed. Initially, he had a lot of statements of, well... trying to be positive about it with the fans. The outrage hasn't stopped, though, so he now just tweets articles from himself and others.
Jake's in a tough spot right now. Barely anyone is blaming him for this, but at the same time, he can't defend the BBC too much or else he'd get flak for it.
A bit surprised I know myself, considering I don't even live there. :D But I think someone mentioned it earlier in passing.
Uh-huh... I've no idea. That's why I'm asking
Because they want to support journalistic integrity? :) Isn't Sky a Murdoch Corporation?
Sky tv service is a lot lot better than skyplayer.
I used to have skyplayer as the building i was in had no cable tv, and dishes were not permitted
As someone with no TV, it doesn't really matter where I live
A large chunk of it his, yes.
And he nearly got all of it, too.
FWIW, FOM Germany race edit is up now. I like the song, but they're starting to get lazy with song choice. Second song from the same album used just 4 races ago.
It probably has been said already, but Alan Parr's comments today about the deal are frankly idiotic.
If ever anyone showed themselves to be out of touch with the TV viewers, he did very well today.
Interesting thought raced - had it been a split BBC/ITV deal or even a split BBC/C4 deal, you'd get nothing like this level of outrage. Unfortunately, the other commercial networks don't have much money, either. The only guy with money... is Rupert Murdoch.
What a shame no one watches his channels...
Mentioned it earlier. He kinda has a point from a purely business perspective, but that's definitely not how you win friends in this SPORT. So, so, so disappointed that Frank, a guy who has racing in his blood, may actually pass the company to this man. No wonder Williams is falling down the grid, if he's the guy in charge. That said, not totally surprised - I recall there being murmurs about Parr being a very strong politician and ousting Sam Michael from the team, ensuring his middling popularity with the other employees.
In the UK, no. In the US, yes. Millions of them. American Idol for starters. Glee for another. And don't get started about Fox News...
except for the 8.9 million households with Sky.
Have you seen the viewing figures for their biggest Premiership matches? They're woeful.
they might not all watch sport, but millions of people aren't going to pay to watch none of the channels :D
Sky get away with a lot of what they do, because many of their products are simple buy ins from other networks.
Even Match of the Day highlights late on Saturday night on BBC whips Sky Sports' figures for full matches live.
SKY isn't a ratings-oriented station (a rarity in this day and age). They're a subscription-oriented station. Unlike most other networks, they make more money from subscriptions rather than ads. Even if the ratings are close to nil, subscribers still need to pay for their cable anyway.
we're a bit like that, I'm full of stats and figures on our subscribers but I couldn't tell you how many people watch any of our shows because I don't know if anyone cares enough to tell us.
has this post from ben gallop been discussed?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html
seems like a reasonable deal to me. am quite looking forward to what sky can bring.
ping for christine, as she's just wandered off: http://www.f1minute.com/news/bbc-to-share-2012-formula-one-broadcast-rights-with-sky
I think this may of been better handled if Sky had just taken the whole lot and the BBC didn't cover F1....simply becuase the cost of paying for a subscription for the remaining non BBC races really ramps up. Would you pay what is effectively a minimum of £46 to watch each race?! This is why I think it's going to be a very bitter pill for consumers to swallow.
Hello all, I'm glad you enjoyed my ceefax surprise :)
Still getting my head around the news of today. Also, today I walked into Mr Blobby which is an interesting experience when you're least expecting it.
In the words of Adam Cooper, it "leaves a lot of questions unanswered".
And as I mentioned to Christine earlier, "If SKY improved the F1 coverage and no one saw it, was it ever on TV?"
Bottom-line, if Bernie really wanted to keep it on the BBC, then he should've cut its fees - enough at least to ensure ITV or C4 could afford it. A BBC/ITV split or a BBC/C4 split would've been much more palatable to the fans.
Impossible due to the Concorde Agreement. It needed to be on free-to-air in some form.
However many people watch it, they obviously think it was worth paying over £300 million a year for them 7 times what the BBC paid for a years F1
The per race/ per match figure is roughly the same so sky must assume they'll cover the costs with subscribers, F1 also attracts a pretty wealthy demographic so advertisers will want to be involved
It's one of the few good things about today, really. Well done. :)
highlights I think is covered in the current concorde argeement....but if it's the case of always being shown live for free then Sky don't have a hope do they? ie...it doesn't stack up
I knew in advance I would have to try and keep today awesome any way possible ;)
this is what bernie thinks of the sport:
For those who can't watch Sky, they can still watch on a Sunday night, which will probably be better than watching the whole race live half the time
and it's hard to argue against that.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93491
Exactly
Nope
Wow - it feels like 1979 all over again
Bernie's meeting with the teams is done:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93491
Translation: I'm paying them more, and there's nothing they can do about it because it's already signed, sealed, and delivered.
I wonder when the next FOTA Fans Forum will be... that will be tasty.
So highlights is part of the Concorde agreement then....
I'd love to know which team principals were ok with the agreement....I can see people like Adam Parr loving this as it'll generate a few more pennies for Williams etc
if they haven't been spoiled by the results yet.
and that won't be the whole race either, I reckon.
The whole wonderful thing about watching F1 in the 21st century is being so fully immersed real time in it...highlights?...might as well buy the end of year season review
Honestly, it's a loophole. As long as all the races are on FTA in any shape or form (even highlights), then they're in the clear.
It'll make next year's Concorde negotiations 10x more interesting, though.
A breakaway championship on ITV? After 2009, it almost definitely won't happen, but there is an opening for the teams now if they want it.
Bingo.
Sky deal went through at 5am this morning
Will be interesting to see FOTA's statement, too.
loved it :)
The BBC are paying to sell Sky subscriptions. Covering half the races is madness.
It went through last night, I think, but was announced early this morning in time for some financial thingy I'm not knowledgeable on.
I wonder who came up with the math showing it's the cheapest option...
BBC will cover quali and practice for their races http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html
Great point. I am going to nick that and tweet it.
They should've given it to UK Gold or Dave, channels that are impossible to be angry at
I think they would've been better off just showing 20 races instead of 10 FPs, qualis, and races. But that's just me...
I guess it will lead to more f1 meetups to watch races in pubs in the uk which may not be a bad thing..
I don't reckon it'll change anything in that aspect.
That's assuming the pubs can show it and it isn't clashing with the footie...
I guess I'll just have to look into emigrating then. :)
Bernie.
He asked BBC what they could afford and told them they couldn't have the Rolls Royce that they were looking at but he had this old 'classic' BMW that was just in their price range. I bet the whole thing was done to draw people in and then sell Sky subscriptions. I bet BBC has the 1st two races of the season
The good thing is that sky control the televised football so they can minimize big games clashing
BBC gets to keep Race 1 (I think), Monaco, Silverstone, and the finale, plus 6 other races (I'm guessing races in the Americas and Singapore will be part of the ten). Note that it could very well be that the title is clinched... on Sky.
do they have a say in both the F1 and EPL scheds?
Premier League games get moved a fair bit for television advantage. I don't think any races will be changed because of Sky though.
The EPL games they have rights to,
ESPN have some, but not so many
it'd be a good way to outrage the rest of the world :D
Get the football fans mad at the F1 fans - sounds like a great idea! :D
Sky will want to keep some big races for themselves.
If its decided by bernie, I'm guessing the high paying rounds will be on the BBC (maximize exposure for their race fee) the big races like spa/monza will be on sky so people subscribe to it and justify what they are paying for the rights
Adam C mentioned all of those except Race 1 as races the BBC will keep.
Anyway, if james allen is to be believed, all the races will be on the bbc website, so nothing to worry about :P
I think you should change the site's slogan to
SIDEPODCAST
All for F1, and F1 for those that can afford it half the time
hehe.
That sounds like the point where I implode in on myself.
They have 4 channels, there's been clashes before. It won't affect owt.
as i said before, they're not allowed to do that here, how can we be sure its different over there?
in video form? they'll probably have the 5Live audio, but I doubt they'll have the full races there for those not in the Lucky 10 - you may just get highlights for those/
there is no chance it would happen,
Is it time to send Bernie to the old people's home?
Looks like the FOTA, FOM, and BBC filters will get a severe battering today. I wonder how many of them are filtered straight to trash...
*email filters
ive sent an email to Fota and the BBC
I'm confused again now. Whitmarsh:
"The BBC will show every grand prix in full, half of them live and half of them deferred, so free-to-air is available to everyone."
The non-races on the BBC are just highlights are they not? First I've heard of full races being shown but not being live.
bernie mentioned it about 30 mins ago, that no deal is finalised.
All day they have had ten live races and ten highlights
Looks like something changed in the plans, then. It's consistent with what Bernie and JA have been saying.
But, seriously? Tape-delayed? In this day and age? MotoGP manage it on Eurosport because their commentary team has a cult following (Toby and Julian). If, as I suspect, Brundle moves to Sky, then the BBC's hook is badly weakened.
I missed that. We have had all this nonsense and everything is still up for grabs? I wonder how we can influence the outcome
Given the fans' reaction, this has to be the worst-case scenario now, surely?
Enjoy a little something from the sidepodcast.com back catalogue.
- Daily: 28th January 2010
Originally published 28/01/2010
I read somewhere they had the rights to the wholereplay but would likely just show highlights at prime time, cant remember where
it seems pointless running a race tape delayed. highlights have a purpose, a late race is of no interest to anyone.
what the heck was in that contract, then?
anyway, if the 10-race deal is already fixed, the best that can be done is to minimize the tape delay and ensure that everything the BBC does now is kept (post-race Forum, etc.), but I doubt it.
that said... I wonder what happens if Top Gear on BBC2 clashes with F1 on BBC1.
not up for grabs. just that only the key bits are in place. e.g. sky/bbc.
...unless they haven't seen it yet. that would be the argument for it.
on the other hand, in this day and age, you're telling me people will avoid spoilers? the highlights will get good ratings if Lewis and Jenson win. if they don't... not so much.
If the BBC kept the rights to show all races online, that would be incredible. One off cost of a HDMI to minidisplayport cable.
I can see it happening though, because BBC were on about trialing a HD service online this weekend
Also I hate watching things later, it removes all emotion for me. Even if i record a race and dont know whats happened it just feels like a dud.
So watching a delayed race wont be an option for me
it'll be on iPlayer, if ever, so it'll definitely be delayed.
Going off on a tangent, they may not need Natalie after this year, after all. Assuming Sky get their own girl, Lee moves over to 5Live...
No live timing etc
why would lee move to 5live?
all the assumptions hurt my brain :D
oh yeah, the BBC still has a production team. :D ignore me. makes you wonder how the heck they're saving if they're still sending people to the races.
Do you know thats whats hurting your brain for sure, or is that an assumption?
usp employ their own people, they operate on a different contract. no idea why though.
whatever, it means they don't get affected then crazy things like this happen.
I didn't get the chance to say the people who won £160 million on the Euromillions a couple of weeks ago live in the same town as my mother. Unfortunately she doesn't know them. THey were plastered all over the papers saying they were not moving house and they were keeping their little cars. Since then the local post office has received sacks of begging letters. There are reporters wandering round the town trying to dig up dirt on them. Their house has a mob of reporters hanging around outside it and they have disappeared to Spain to get away from it all. So if you have tonight's winning ticket don't take the publicity.
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/fernando-alonso-turns-30
been a while since I could do that :)
Wooo!
*hugs*
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93494
Whitmarsh's statement. Key points:
"Bernie assured me, and I asked him several times, the deferred coverage will not be highlights, it will be a full race."
"I can understand why," said Whitmarsh. "Based on what I've heard there won't be a premium for watching Formula 1 on Sky, so it sounds like it's good news rather than bad."
The former we've already discussed, the latter... how the heck does THAT work?
Looking at skys current f1 pundits....
Tony Jardine http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,21065_7064408,00.html
Tony does a lot of motorsport stuff on Sky, so it would make sense. I would welcome him, good old Tony :)
Anyone considered Crofty's links to sky considering they take him on to do the Goodwood stuff?
He'll stay at 5Live, I think, so I doubt it.
Me too without a doubt, but it just made me wonder earlier.
what? over lead commentator duties? i'd go to sky.
Well, what have we learned today? Mr C already said this before, but today is a stark illustration that FOTA has no real power in F1, as they are totally dependent on the money from FOM. So what FOM wants, FOM gets.
Good evening. No breakout thread for the biggest news story of the week?
At least, for UK viewers anyway
Worn out now, hadn't realised he'd done so much over the past 10 years.
I think Sky will pay a lot to bring DC and brundle over for legitimacy.
I could see crofty doing BBC TV with ant, but they may just opt to take the sky commentary
fota are a waste of time, energy and space. it's just that no-one has told them.
fota need better friends.
It's a mouth & trousers scenario
All of one, none of the other
if you say so.
This now means that F1 is now shown in most major markets by NewsCorp. SPEED/FOX in the US, ESPN Star Sports in Asia, ten/one HD in Australia, and now, the UK joins Germany and Italy under the Sky banner. The only major markets left outside Murdoch's control are Brazil and Spain.
as christine said this morning: http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-29th-july-2011/comments#comment-1146394
now's a good time to talk to Brundle - annoyed and easily suggestible.
I was in two minds about it earlier. We can't move comments anymore, and most of what can be said has already been said.
I'm just getting into the details but have the BBC announced that Meestah Brundol & DC won't be around next year?
Why not?
brundle used to work for the times so im sure they have his phone number :)
That is bad, bad news
His own credibilty, for one
What's the logical next step? Buying the rights outright. Today is a stark reminder that the NewsCorp/Exor bid to take over F1 is not dead in the water just yet.
Seems like someone needs to be spammed
No love lost between him and the Beeb now, though.
I'm sure he has a strong email filter for people like us...
And since Murdoch and Ferrari are supposed to be buying CVC's package it all wraps up neatly
ten/one are not news corp.
will be interesting to see if the coverage overlaps at all
But working for Sky is quite a large step to penning a few words for The Times. May as well sell his soul completely and become an X Factor judge in the off season
have created a personal twitter account for non-f1 stuff: https://twitter.com/betterthan
meaning @sidepodcast will mostly free of coding related tweets from now on.
feel free to follow, but you may get bored of xcode complaints and love for node.js.
true. they're just run by a murdoch who left news corp. way too convenient.
I wonder if he means that it is included in the normal Sky Sports channels rather than having to pay extra like for boxing
is this the name of your new project, then? ;)
yaaaaay
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Fernando Alonso turns 30
- Hungary 2011 - Free practice 2 results
- Live: Hungary 2011 - Free Practice 2
- Alternatives to F1 in 2012
- Hungary 2011 - Free practice 1 results
One's a subscription channel, the other is pay per view [by event]
Neither are free
I like the way that on Twitter it says "betterthan Mr C" above the tweets. Seems like a paradox to me.
:)
:)
nope. it's for cleaning up the @sidepodcast feed, so that it's not full of final cut references.
all right. just an interesting choice of name, is all. :D
Was better than inspired by Christine's smarter than?
Which may also be why Ross turned down the nomination to be the next FOTA Chairman - he knows it's a fool's errand.
I think it came first, but they're not related.
He didn't say it would be free, he said there wouldn't be a premium for watching it on Sky. It depends on whether he meant compared to normal Sky subscription or compared to what we have now. Since you cannot watch Sky for free, it must be the former in my opinion.
Sounds like a cop out, well worded statement.
Satellite & Cable viewers all have Sky 1 included in their basic package
Sky Sports are a premium package that demand more fees. The public know the difference. I am so disgusted with this
Can someone check what the message next to comment 287 says. Most comments that have not been published have a message saying they have been removed. Mine says that it is having special consideration. I am not sure if I am really special or they just don't tell people they have been removed to avoid spam
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html
I thought you two may be competing
Unless they're showing F1 on Sky 1?
No chance. If Rupert is giving Bernie lots of money it is because he is making more
It says This comment has been referred for further consideration.
Half the Formula 1 calendar will be taken off free-to-air television in the United Kingdom from 2012 as part of a new share deal between Sky Sports and the BBC.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93447
So you think Whitmarsh made a cop-out statement, then?
I clicked on Explain and I think this is the relevant bit (I think)
Sometimes, a comment may be referred for further investigation to a supervisor, host, editor or the Central Communities Team, who are responsible for moderation across all BBC services. Your post will be hidden while a decision is pending and the time taken to make this decision will depend on the investigation necessary.
Then again, that statement isn't totally accurate now.
Link?
I don't think it has been removed because other comments say
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules
Whitmarsh's statement earlier. Half of the F1 calendar will still be on free-to-air; it'll just be delayed.
The most important question amidst all this: where does Ted go?
Ted goes where Ted wants. He's Ted, damnit! :)
But where DOES he want to go? :D
It said special earlier. It's like I have been downgraded. I have no idea how I could have upset them. OOPS
Yes
What did you say anyway?
I did too. I don't think I said anything controversial. Unless it was about the bit where I suggested that the BBC spending money to sell Sky subscriptions was insane
I think we will have to see over the weekend what other information is issued by BBC/Sky. It's always difficult when news breaks because we don't have every piece of information we need. I know I can't afford Sky Sports so I'm interested in what the BBC are going to be showing. I hope they're going to go into more detail tomorrow and Bernie is on the preview show on 5 Live tonight too. I live in hope.
I can't remember most of it. Just an objection to them saying that they are sharing the coverage with Sky when Sky has 100%. The BBC has never really grasped the English language
The BBC has 50%, but Sky has 100%. It doesn't quite add up, does it?
Bernie will spin and sell. So don't expect too many new details there.
Well, that blows for you guys in the UK.
This is mostly for Bassano and quite a stream of consciousness, so nobody shout at me please. Sky ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/bbc-reach-for-the-sky
It's not sharing. Sharing is I have some and you have some. This is more like I have a shiny new TV but you can watch if you behave and pay
It's just sad that a milestone weekend (Alonso's 30th birthday, Rosberg's 100th GP, Button's 200th GP) will be overshadowed by a big black cloud of selfishness from FOM and the BBC. What a shame.
God, it sounds like we're living in the US with Speed Tv doesnt it
Owned by the same guy, too.
May as well be cricket then. An appeasing statement attempt
Does Timo get cute puppy points?
http://yfrog.com/17nu4z
And I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
Also, i'm sure most BBC Blogs arent pre moderated for all comments. They must have been expecting some backlash
Thanks Christeine, just thought it made more sense and the story may not be as key to non-UK viewers
There are a lot of comments removed from the one I commented on
NASA have a new cool picturey thing for the iPad
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/nasaviz/
Damn! Now my Magners is almost frozen cos I left it in the freezer to chill for too long. Silly phone calls
What kind of mad Friday is this!
Student instinct says "put in the microwave" but that's a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD idea! :D
Just keep running cold water over it until some of the ice melts. :)
I have exploded Coke cans doing that before. They make quite a bang when they let go
It's very nearly a slush puppy but there's enough liquid to poke a spoon in the neck to hold back the slush and pour
Luckily, the others are ok. As is the wine [phew for back-up]
Do like Bernard would do, smash the glass off and treat it as a lolly.
Bernard? Cribbins?
Black Books.
But all the alcohol will be in the liquid bit. By freezing most of it he is concentrating the alcohol
Ahhh, yes of course :lol: Love that show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZIWuMoWlCo
I remember Black Books but I don't remember anything about it
It's a solution, if onlyit was as easy and as tasty as that
I think E4 or Dave were repeating it recently
G.E.N.I.U.S.
This is my favourite reference of the day. Kudos to you, christine :)
And this includes walking into mr Blobby at work today so it's a fair achievement
I'm not good at comedy references, but sometimes I get it right :)
Was Noel Edmonds there too?
He was not. Apparently there was a charity event in another part of the building, some even whispered it was just a man in a suit from a fancy dress shop, but no. I know it was the real Mr Blobby really.
Get an Astra Satellite, watch it in German, not HSD though
i think the big concern will be losing the casual fan. After the Canadian GP everyone at my work were talking about it, which in 20 years of following f1 fanatically has never happened before. It wont really be the same saying "oh did you hear about that great overtaking manouver on the radio?"
Lukeh, that is the most immense picture I think I may ever have seen. RIP teletext.
Oooh Cornish F1 Fan!? where abouts in Cornwall?
time to call it a day. thanks for all the comments today, i guess we shoulda waited a few days before blogging about the daily post changes - didn't expect the whole of f1 to be turned on its head in the interim.
Who knew? ;)
See ya guys, enjoy your evening
Cheers!
hope the sky works out cheaper than it looks now!
Nice of Bernie to generate a few comments
Back to today's F1, how was FP1&2 earlier? Was thinking about full iPlayer replay or highlights
DULL
Highlights it is then. Thanks
The end of FP2 is interesting to listen to Crofty Ant and Karun analysing race pace vs quali pace of the top three cars
I might dig that out then after the snippets
And it is worth trying to find Lewis trying to go round the outside of Buemi? at the last corner.He is so on it now that going round the outside of someone on a fast lap on the marbles is doable in his head. Almost did it too.
Probably practicing for the race ;)
That's what Crofty said. Whitmarsh didn't know whether to grin or panic
I like his mentality at the moment. He seems to have taken stock and thought, go for it and try not to take out the field
I think they are using an intern to narrate the 2 min highlights
Impressive
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14343778.stm
I think the only difference is the car is better so he doesn't need to try to carry it. It's like Gilles Villeneuve. When he had a good car he was very smooth but people remember him dragging unwilling, incapable cars into places they had no right to be.
:O:
Is that a Smartie on wheels?
I was trying to work out how that surprised smily face happened!!
Oh, by way. It is now 98 degrees F or 37 degrees C in Austin. That is air temperature. Not track temperature. With the Humidex the temperuatre goes up to 103 F or 39 C. So at least we can say that at least it is a dry heat but still, the air temperature is higher than a normal person's body temperature, so you are already overheating doing nothing. (Like sitting on a bench) Nor is this an uncommon temperature for Austin. You can get temps into the 100's F easily in Texas during the summer months.
So when the the FIA says that they are moving the US GP into a month where they can have cooler temperatures, I would tend to believe them.
The guy who makes more money than Bernie at Austin will be the guy selling bottle water....
Don't forget that the US is experiencing an abnormally hot and dry summer this year for that region, and across the south of the country. So good idea for 2011 may not be such a good idea for 2012.
Texas in the summer was never going to be a good idea
Point.
Remind me why Valencia's still on next year's calendar? *bemused look as Turkey is practically dropped*
Maths. Turkey has less money than Spain
And less spectators
That may be the case in terms of length ==> May was hot, June was hot, but now we into July and August. Sorry but I am not too surprized of seeing high 30's and 40's degrees C on the picture of the weather map of the USA Today newspaper for the State of Texas. I do remember watching the temperature rise for 97 F to 104 F while waiting for the food that we orderred to be served at a restuarant in San Antonio, and this was back in the late 80's or early 90's in the month of August, as I was finished High School.
I'm sure I read somewhere that the Valencia promoter was essentially bust? Wasn't that Joe's blog?
Didn't Bernie bail out the Turkish deal? No recovery, no Bernie
*delurks for a moment*
Hello everyone. :)
I delurked for a moment 3 years ago and I am trapped here.
Be careful :D
We have cookies y'know. ;)
I pop in and out, but I don't usually post that much.
I've seen the cookies that you bake, and I want some! *whimpers*
Everyone starts off like that
I'm also stuck in the US (for now) so can't watch 90% of the races live...which sucks, but is do-able.
Bill Bailey being exceptionally good on the Rob Brydon show. Worth an iPlay visit later
There are always internet streams available
ooh ta
I'm usually on a video call with Turkey Machine and it eats up bandwidth!
Though Rob needs to accept he is not Tom Jones
Great Cowbell though
That complicates things
We have cookies y'know.
I've seen the cookies that you bake, and I want some! *whimpers*
And another victum falls into the "Bottleless Pit of Sidepodcast..........."
:"And another victum falls into the "Bottleless* Pit of Sidepodcast...."
Bottomless.... (sp)
You had Bassano panicking there
I was getting worried
Sorry if I go a bit silent, washing dishes.... what joy....meh. :p
I am watching a program on the final space shuttle flight so I am totally distracted. If I see comments appearing I will reply
Someone give me a headping when FP3 starts please