Sidepodceefax never truly took off....

Credit: Lukeh

Sidepodceefax never truly took off....

Hello and welcome to Friday! Here we offer such wonderful amenities, with Formula 1 practise, news, some awesome links along the way and of course a whole handful of good times. In fact, why not start off with a bit of a celebration? Today is Fernando Alonso's birthday! Happy birthday Anando! Let's hope he gets a very big birthday present to celebrate the day. We can have our own little celebration with F1 practise today in Hungary in which Christine as always brings the race information and your every need.

Paddock News

No, not a new colander, he wants a new calendar... - Just like a footstep in a cement block on a rainy day, it may not be set in stone yet but Bernie is already looking at shaking next years calendar up and making some major changes. It seems the US will be going to the end of the year along with Bahrain which will be most welcome, and as well as that India gets brought forward near the start and, most importantly to me, Australia starts and Brazil finishes. That sounds lovely jubbly to me, Rodders. What do we reckon, Sidepodpeople? Is it a mistake taking Austin away from the Canada back to back? Only plans right now though, it may not even change.

Super Sauber Stay Strong for S2012 - it seems Peter Sauber has already made his mind up and the winners of the Sauber Apprentice turned out to be Kamui Kobayashi and Sergio Perez, as they get another year in the Sauber. Good decision from Peter if I may say so myself although his next choice should be to bring back the sexy Sauber livery from years back. Although then we would have 3 Red Bull-badged cars. Two is confusing enough. Hell, one team is confusing enough.

Elsewhere...

Monopolised the wrong way - So it turns out we're all stupid. I'm sorry, I really don't mean that. But, you know, we are. We've all been playing Monopoly the wrong way people. Yes, that's right. all these years and we're all wrong. Even the actual rulebook that comes with Monopoly says it. This reminds me of that time I got told we were all eating bananas the wrong way. Mind = BLOWN!!

Getting down to the Bear Necessities - There is a new member of the Sidepodcast HQ joining Mr C, Christine, Bibendum and Panda (and the giant fan) and that is... Ant! OK so it's not actually Ant as in the Anthony Davidson but instead fluffy Ant. Because he's small, adorable and perhaps because he has links to Mercedes. But mose importantly, because the giant headset fits him perfectly. Welcome, fluffy Ant!

C:/documents/happybirthday.txt - The wierd and wonderful (it was the only cliche I could think of) MS DOS has turned 30 this week and must be going through a midlife crisis now it's no longer needed in this DOSless world but let's look back at the great times we had with DOS. Like that time it ran Theme Hospital, and that time no one knew what to do with it. Now go and shake your fist at that nasty Windows 95 for ruining your 15 minutes years of fame.

Forza's looking to hit the top gear - This is just awesome. We already knew that Forza Motorsport had tied up a deal with the Top Gear guys to be a big part of the game but it seems the multiplayer modes will include stuff from the show including Car Football and Car Bowling, and as well as that Clarkson has got his voice in the game telling you about the cars... in the world.

And the last little things...

  • Have you ever wondered how Richard Branson runs Virgin? Of course you have. Well now you know! I like the special cameo a lot.
  • You can currently get Tekken Bowling for free on iOS. Yes, that's right, Tekken as in the fighting game. Yes, that's right, bowling. Yes, that's right, free.
  • I spent most of last night listening to Elbow's newest album Build a Rocket, Boys! and they've finally won me over. It's a very good album, and I thought they did a top job at Glasto too so it felt like something worth sharing and a recommended listen

And that's me sorted for today! Good old Fridays. I would very much recommend taking a look at the future of the Daily Threads and the discussion being had in the comments on that thread because it's a good chat about where the site could be going next. But please do return and join in the comments here too because you're most welcome! Have an excellent day!

808 responses

  • Mr C28/07/2011 at 23:05

    wow!!

  • Pat W28/07/2011 at 23:06

    oh my word

  • Christine28/07/2011 at 23:06

    Amazing.

  • Steven Roy28/07/2011 at 23:08

    Love the teletext Lukeh

  • Kai28/07/2011 at 23:12

    Is it a mistake taking Austin away from the Canada back to back?

    The efficient part of me doesn't like it, but the human part of me is happy people won't roast on the tarmac there in June.

  • Steven Roy28/07/2011 at 23:12

    I read something last week about someone talking about playing Monopoly and how they had bidding wars and I just thought they had made up their own rules

  • guille230628/07/2011 at 23:13

    Australia at the beginning, Brazil at the end. As it should be.

    However:

    As well as moving Bahrain to later on in the calendar, it is also understood that Austin will be moved to the end of the campaign – with it becoming the penultimate race of the season before Brazil. The two events will also form a back-to-back.

    I thought new races were never back-to-back. Although thinking a bit more of it, they've been there just a few years ago...

  • Pat W28/07/2011 at 23:15

    I read something last week about someone talking about playing Monopoly and how they had bidding wars and I just thought they had made up their own rules

    We discovered it after seeing it as an option in a computer version, several years ago now... we tried it in the 'real' games and they got a lot faster.

  • guille230628/07/2011 at 23:15

    The efficient part of me doesn't like it, but the human part of me is happy people won't roast on the tarmac there in June.

    we could have a 12-stop race, with tires melting after a few laps

  • Steven Roy28/07/2011 at 23:16

    We discovered it after seeing it as an option in a computer version, several years ago now... we tried it in the 'real' games and they got a lot faster.

    It must make the game a lot faster and more interesting

  • Pat W28/07/2011 at 23:22

    It must make the game a lot faster and more interesting

    More deals to be done

  • Steven Roy28/07/2011 at 23:23

    More deals to be done

    I can't believe I played Monopoly wrong all my life

  • Jordan F128/07/2011 at 23:30

    C:/documents/happybirthday.txt

    Bad command or filename.

    Lukeh You broke the 8 character filename rule. it should say c:documen~happybi~ :P

    int main()

    {

    int x;

    x = 0;

    do {

    cout<<"Excellent post, Lukeh!n";

    } while ( x != 0 );

    cin.get();

    }

  • Mr C28/07/2011 at 23:31

    cout<<"Excellent post, Lukeh!n";

    :)

  • guille230628/07/2011 at 23:32

    We've all been playing Monopoly the wrong way people. Yes, that's right. all these years and we're all wrong. Even the actual rulebook that comes with Monopoly says it.

    In Argentina we have a heavily modified version, in which streets, houses, hotels, and utilities are replaced by provinces, small and big farms, and trains. It was localized to a predominantly agricultural economy at the time in which the game appeared.

    It's been years since the last time I played it, but I remember our biggest achievement was that we once broke the bank :)

  • Jordan F128/07/2011 at 23:33

    Just swa the teletext now. I am in 8-bit colour glory. Almost want to play Pole Position on the commodore 64 nemulator....

  • Kai28/07/2011 at 23:34

    Bad command or filename.

    Cat dancing on the keyboard? :)

  • Jordan F128/07/2011 at 23:34

    Mr C 29/07/2011 at 00:31:27

    cout<<"Excellent post, Lukeh!n";

    Figures that mr. C knows C......

    Surprized that he did not clue in on the DOS joke.

  • Mr C28/07/2011 at 23:35

    Figures that mr. C knows C......

    oooooooh. mr c!

  • Steven Roy28/07/2011 at 23:36

    In Argentina we have a heavily modified version, in which streets, houses, hotels, and utilities are replaced by provinces, small and big farms, and trains. It was localized to a predominantly agricultural economy at the time in which the game appeared.

    There are so any variations of the game available now.

    It's been years since the last time I played it, but I remember our biggest achievement was that we once broke the bank :)

    :)

  • Pat W28/07/2011 at 23:37

    There are so any variations of the game available now.

    Dad owns several of them.. cupboard full of 'em

  • guille230628/07/2011 at 23:38

    it's no longer needed in this DOSless world but let's look back at the great Times we had with DOS

    The command line (not-DOS, but close) it's still the only place I can easily find the MAC address on a windows machine...

  • Nick (@Twiger)28/07/2011 at 23:44

    I love the picture! That is up there with the most awesome things in sidepodhistory!

    I feel the need to share the fact my ankle is in immence pain for no apparent reason whilst the daily still exists! :D

    As soon as i get back to the uk i am checking cefax out!

  • Jordan F128/07/2011 at 23:45

    it's no longer needed in this DOSless world but let's look back at the great Times we had with DOS

    The command line (not-DOS, but close) it's still the only place I can easily find the MAC address on a windows machine...

    Note drive mapping, assuming a differnet computer:

    c:dos> f:

    f:>deltree *.*

    is always fun....

  • Sidepodcast Update28/07/2011 at 23:45
  • Jordan F129/07/2011 at 00:11

    Woohoo!

    I have just published my fourth film review on my Blog site:

    http://jdkallen.wordpress.com/

    For those of you who like Bruce Lee movies or Kung-Fum movies, I bring you The Chinese Connection, know also known as Fist of Fury.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 00:54

    wow!!

    That picture is a pretty good argument for keeping the Daily. :D

    Love, love, LOVE it.

  • Kai29/07/2011 at 02:56

    Looks like Travis Pastrana just broke his leg at the X Games. So much for the Nationwide debut this weekend.

  • Kai29/07/2011 at 02:58

    Looks like Travis Pastrana just broke his leg at the X Games. So much for the Nationwide debut this weekend.

    I hope he's okay. I had only heard of his drive this weekend in passing. Reports are that he has a tib/fib break.

  • Kai29/07/2011 at 03:03

    Looks like Travis Pastrana just broke his leg at the X Games. So much for the Nationwide debut this weekend.

    Or not.

    @TravisPastrana

    I'm on my way to the hospital for x rays, something with my foot, Ill keep everyone posted.. Might be driving with my hands on Saturday

  • jackie29/07/2011 at 04:18

    Love your picture for the daily Lukeh, very creative as always

  • Ken29/07/2011 at 04:36

    From one of the many who just sit, lurk and read but do not participate by commenting that much, Sidepodceefax is very very good....

  • Sidepodcast Update29/07/2011 at 05:45
  • 4chords29/07/2011 at 06:30

    Morning all,

    Looks like I'm the bearer of bad news...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9550930.stm

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 06:31

    F1 off to Sky! GAH ADVERTS

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 06:34

    Accodring to what Ive seen on the news, the BBC will still also show half the races, which is weird, I just hope they keep the same production team across both channels otherwise any cost savings on the BBC side are irrelevant.

    Also, even thought eh races will be on Sky Sports by the sound of it, will they show these free to air, as otherwise, surely they'll be a massive fuss kicked up by the sponsors?

    Luckily I pay for Sky anyway for the football, if you don't your looking at about 300+ quid a year to see every race live!

  • 4chords29/07/2011 at 06:38

    There's going to be positives, such as HD practice sessions, F1 on the go through mobile devices, potential of having a decent commentary team.

    But the negatives are going to far outweigh the positives - paying to watch F1. It didn't work before, and I don't think it will work now.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 06:39

    Looks like I'm the bearer of bad news...

    WHOA.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 06:40

    There's going to be positives, such as HD practice sessions, F1 on the go through mobile devices, potential of having a decent commentary team.

    The BBC already has a decent commentary team - and their names are Brundle and Coulthard. On the other hand, does this open up a possibility for Ben Edwards?

    I'm not from the UK, but I very much feel your pain.

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 06:42

    Jeez. what sucky news to start a Friday :(

  • 4chords29/07/2011 at 06:43

    On the other hand, does this open up a possibility for Ben Edwards?

    Yes, that's who I'm think of. When Sky Sports broadcast A1GP, the commentary team was Ben and John Watson, in my opinion one of the best combinations I've had the pleasure of listening to.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 06:44

    Yes, that's who I'm think of. When Sky Sports broadcast A1GP, the commentary team was Ben and John Watson, in my opinion one of the best combinations I've had the pleasure of listening to.

    Assuming, of course, that they don't manage to pirate Martin Brundle over.

    With only half the races on the Beeb now, expect Jake to leave the F1 coverage as well and focus on the Olympics.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 06:44

    i remember well the pain of f1 going to Sky in New Zealand in 2006 when i didn't have it and couldn't afford it. Sorry Britain, this sucks for lots of you :(

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 06:46

    I really can't see the point unless they share the same production, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't just port the current set up over to Sky, the only issue on the shared races would be when Sky goes to commercial!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 06:47

    i remember well the pain of f1 going to Sky in New Zealand in 2006 when i didn't have it and couldn't afford it. Sorry Britain, this sucks for lots of you

    Also, this is a huge defeat for FOTA and FOM (who both wanted F1 to stay on free-to-air).

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 06:48

    I really can't see the point unless they share the same production, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't just port the current set up over to Sky, the only issue on the shared races would be when Sky goes to commercial!

    It also happens with MotoGP, actually. BBC shows the MotoGP live, while Eurosport shows it on a delayed basis (while showing 125s and Moto2 live).

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 06:53

    It also happens with MotoGP, actually. BBC shows the MotoGP live, while Eurosport shows it on a delayed basis (while showing 125s and Moto2 live).

    With the same commentary etc? If so sounds I think that that sounds like a good solution to stop all the license fee whiners, whilst I assume still getting all the 2pmish European races on the BBC over the summer.

    Or Alternatively I guess Sky may want to showcase the summer races when they have no football to show.

    Bar the adverts (and the cost for folk who don't subscribe already) I think there will be some real positives to Sky covering F1, they are excellent at the vast majority of things they do, covering Football FAR better than the BBC ever have, I suspect they'll be some decent spin off type shows like Sunday Supplement and Goals on Sunday they have for the football

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 06:53

    For sure, they'll show Monaco, GB, and Brazil on the Beeb. I'm guessing they'll also show Abu Dhabi, Singapore (both night races), Canada, USA (UK primetime), Australia (first race), Belgium, and Italy.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 06:55

    With the same commentary etc? If so sounds I think that that sounds like a good solution to stop all the license fee whiners, whilst I assume still getting all the 2pmish European races on the BBC over the summer.

    Nope, they have separate teams. IIRC, BBC has a policy of having talent exclusive to the Beeb (which is why Ben Edwards never joined BBC).

    Bar the adverts (and the cost for folk who don't subscribe already) I think there will be some real positives to Sky covering F1, they are excellent at the vast majority of things they do, covering Football FAR better than the BBC ever have, I suspect they'll be some decent spin off type shows like Sunday Supplement and Goals on Sunday they have for the football

    Well, yes, but I never had any complaints about the BBC coverage of F1. Why fix what isn't broken (and charge us for it)?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:00

    The C's will NOT be happy. They didn't even have a TV before, now they need to get Sky?

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 07:06

    Anyone else expecting more people to watch online streams rather than subscribe?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:07

    Anyone else expecting more people to watch online streams rather than subscribe?

    Absolutely. The problem is, FOM is the most vigilant organization I've seen in shutting down streams. People will get sick of it very quickly and just not bother watching at all.

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 07:08

    Absolutely. The problem is, FOM is the most vigilant organization I've seen in shutting down streams. People will get sick of it very quickly and just not bother watching at all.

    good old Bernie...

    I had better start work! #nothere

  • Simon29/07/2011 at 07:10

    Any chance at all that there won't be adverts during race? Sky don't put adverts in the middle of football, or films?

    Any and all positives about Sky coverage (and I don't think that there are any, as the BBC coverage has been great) would be completely destroyed if there are adverts. My family still laugh at me for my screaming frustration over every single ad break during the ITV years!

    Here hoping...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:11

    Any chance at all that there won't be adverts during race? Sky don't put adverts in the middle of football, or films?

    Very much possible, but no guarantees.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:11

    There will be a LOT of complaining over the race weekend to Crofty and Jake.

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 07:19

    There will be a LOT of complaining over the race weekend to Crofty and Jake.

    the only hope for us in Asia is that if Sky will be investing in F1 coverage then Star TV may simply take it over and finally get rid of their hopeless Singapore based team ...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:21

    the only hope for us in Asia is that if Sky will be investing in F1 coverage then Star TV may simply take it over and finally get rid of their hopeless Singapore based team ...

    For us Asia folk (assuming you watch ESS alone and not BBC), this is a non-event at worst. And as you said, we may get actually get a half-decent commentary team now (shared globally).

    Whatever, I'll remember 2009-2011 as the Golden Era of F1 Broadcasting. I doubt we'll ever see anything like it again.

  • Marti29/07/2011 at 07:22

    Hi guys.

    Sorry to hear that F1 will be pay-per-view in 2012 in the UK :(

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93447

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:22

    The C's will NOT be happy. They didn't even have a TV before, now they need to get Sky?

    I'm not sure we're even allowed, to be honest.

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 07:23

    I'm not sure we're even allowed, to be honest.

    Same here.

    Not even sure I can afford it.

    Bah. Will pick this up after work.

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 07:24

    Nope, they have separate teams. IIRC, BBC has a policy of having talent exclusive to the Beeb (which is why Ben Edwards never joined BBC).

    Well I guess at least we'll get to switch between build up features then!

    It really defeats the object if you ask me- if the beeb put together a full production team for just 10 races. I wouldn't be surprised if its stripped right back kicking off coverage at the t-5 minute mark, like many foreign stations, so they only have to pay for 2 commentators and perhaps 1 pit lane reporter.

    I think I just heard that all the build up will be shown on Sky Sports News, which will be properly s*** with football scores and dullo horse racing news scrolling about all over the shop!

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:25

    Watch your language, Superbenj.

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:25

    Oh well I'll be watching less F1 next year :)

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 07:26

    Watch your language, Superbenj.

    Oops! 1,000 apologies

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:28

    The C's will NOT be happy. They didn't even have a TV before, now they need to get Sky?

    I'm not sure we're even allowed, to be honest.

    All of a sudden, our debate on the Daily may be overtaken by a larger concern. Now I'm worried that if the C's can't follow F1 properly, then SPC's future may be in danger too.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:29

    Oh well I'll be watching less F1 next year :)

    We were saying the season will be too long. I guess this solves the problem. I'm amazed Bernie has lost something though.

  • mattw29/07/2011 at 07:30

    Accodring to what Ive seen on the news, the BBC will still also show half the races, which is weird, I just hope they keep the same production team across both channels otherwise any cost savings on the BBC side are irrelevant.

    When I read the announement, I kind of assumed that the 'BBC production team' will still work on all races as normal - and then just sell the coverage to sky (as they do to several other countrys already). The exclusivity clauses mean that the beeb gets more money.

    Remember, that the BBC is the one with the contract.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:31

    We were saying the season will be too long. I guess this solves the problem. I'm amazed Bernie has lost something though.

    True to a certain extent (given that it's no longer all free-to-air). Has he really, though? He may make more money now.

  • Simon29/07/2011 at 07:31

    All of a sudden, our debate on the Daily may be overtaken by a larger concern. Now I'm worried that if the C's can't follow F1 properly, then SPC's future may be in danger too.

    No NO NO NO!

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 07:31

    All of a sudden, our debate on the Daily may be overtaken by a larger concern. Now I'm worried that if the C's can't follow F1 properly, then SPC's future may be in danger too.

    You can watch Sky Sports via an iPod/iphone/Xbox via the internet, in fact if anyone you know who has Sky, who doesn't use their 2 mobile services logins, its very easy to simply share around them about.

    I'd offer one of mine but my dad uses it!

  • Stuart C29/07/2011 at 07:32

    Morning all.

    Will be on Radio Wales at 8.40 to do punditry!

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 07:32

    True to a certain extent (given that it's no longer all free-to-air). Has he really, though? He may make more money now.

    he may but also the teams may now asking him for bigger share of it the viewing figures drop and sponsors will be asking question about their exposure ...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:33

    When I read the announement, I kind of assumed that the 'BBC production team' will still work on all races as normal - and then just sell the coverage to sky (as they do to several other countrys already). The exclusivity clauses mean that the beeb gets more money.

    Could be, but I doubt it. More likely Sky will want its own team in place. And even if the BBC stays on, they will probably lose some of their key talent (Jake to the Olympics, others perhaps to Sky).

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:33

    Will be on Radio Wales at 8.40 to do punditry!

    Re: BBC/Sky?

  • Stuart C29/07/2011 at 07:34

    Re: BBC/Sky?

    That's the one...

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:34

    All of a sudden, our debate on the Daily may be overtaken by a larger concern. Now I'm worried that if the C's can't follow F1 properly, then SPC's future may be in danger too.

    Don't scaremonger! Y'all survived without us last year. Have to discuss the news with Mr C when he wakes.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:35

    Don't scaremonger! Y'all survived without us last year. Have to discuss the news with Mr C when he wakes.

    Survived... barely. :|

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 07:35

    Absolutely disgusted by this decision. After all the talk from Bernie and the teams and the need to stay Free To Air.

    I really don't think I'll be paying for Sky Sports. Viewing figures will plummet

    [goes off in a strop]

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 07:35

    Could be, but I doubt it. More likely Sky will want its own team in place. And even if the BBC stays on, they will probably lose some of their key talent (Jake to the Olympics, others perhaps to Sky).

    all I hope for is whatever will Sky come up is what we will get here in Star. Would make sense ... I remember when champions league was still on Sky ESPN Star took the whole coverage over for Asia, including the debates during the breaks

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:36

    all I hope for is whatever will Sky come up is what we will get here in Star. Would make sense ... I remember when champions league was still on Sky ESPN Star took the whole coverage over for Asia, including the debates during the breaks

    Indeed so. So we won't be in such bad shape (in the short term, anyway).

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:36

    Survived... barely. :|

    It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 07:37

    It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?

    all us antipodeans will take over, muhaha

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:38

    It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?

    one-hundred and EIGHTY!

    sure, what the heck. :D

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:38

    Absolutely disgusted by this decision. After all the talk from Bernie and the teams and the need to stay Free To Air.

    FOTA really pulling their weight as always.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:38

    It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?

    all us antipodeans will take over, muhaha

    Australasians would be more appropriate. :)

  • mattw29/07/2011 at 07:38

    I have to say, I have been very carefull in the past to avoid saying that I will stop watching F1 for this or that.

    However I WILL NOT buy a sky subscription to continue watching F1.

    If Bernie wants to run F1 by taking it away from the people who want to watch (and remember, its the 'bums on seats' which brings in the money to pay for F1) - then good luck to him.

    But I will spend my time elsewhere.

    I would also suggest that, in the long term, it is cheeper and easier to keep the 'fans' interested in F1, than it is to win them back again after they have been driven away....

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 07:38

    It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?

    All the good darts is on Sky too :o(

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 07:38

    It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?

    Crofty does do darts...:)

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:38

    All the good darts is on Sky too :o(

    Bah!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:39

    It won't help that half SPC visitors won't be watching, rather than just us, I suppose. Anyone for darts?

    Crofty does do darts...

    Only on the BBC, though. The major tournaments are on Sky.

  • Simon29/07/2011 at 07:39

    How about for any/all races NOT being shown on the BBC, we arrange a sidepod meetup at the house of a sky subcriber - you're all more than welcome to my place on a Sunday afternoon!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:40

    I would also suggest that, in the long term, it is cheeper and easier to keep the 'fans' interested in F1, than it is to win them back again after they have been driven away....

    Follow the money. Always follow the money. Sky will pay Bernie no matter how many people are watching.

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:41

    I guess Bernie's spin will be "They didn't want to show it but we've forced them to show half the races, that was the best we could do really."

  • Simon29/07/2011 at 07:42

    Regardless of how you spin this, however you look at it, there will be less people watching F1 next year.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:42

    Good that 5live still have their deal. Crofty and Ant can stay together.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:42

    Re: BBC/Sky?

    That's the one...

    AM or PM? Am listening now.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:43

    Good that 5live still have their deal. Crofty and Ant can stay together.

    Thank heavens they have a separate contract.

  • Stuart C29/07/2011 at 07:43

    AM or PM? Am listening now.

    In the next couple of minutes I think!

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 07:43

    Good that 5live still have their deal. Crofty and Ant can stay together.

    Perhaps, Sky will be lining them up as their dream team!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:44

    Perhaps, Sky will be lining them up as their dream team!

    At the moment, the smart bet must be on Edwards and Watson, I think.

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:44

    Jake will be live shortly on BBC Radio 1:

    http://twitter.com/#!/jakehumphreyf1/status/96843212941033472

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 07:46

    At the moment, the smart bet must be on Edwards and Watson, I think.

    Adam Cooper said " Theory is it will likely be @MBrundleF1 & Coulthard, plus @croftyF1 & @antdavidson. But who does which? Follow the $$$..."

  • rg in italy29/07/2011 at 07:46

    At the moment, the smart bet must be on Edwards and Watson, I think.

    Tony jardine as pundit...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:47

    AM or PM? Am listening now.

    In the next couple of minutes I think!

    He's on!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:47

    Jake will be live shortly on BBC Radio 1:

    Listening to Stuart now. Let us know when he's on.

  • mattw29/07/2011 at 07:47

    Follow the money. Always follow the money. Sky will pay Bernie no matter how many people are watching.

    But if the viewing figures plumet then the sponsors will pull out or reducing their spend..

    Yes, I know the the UK is only one country in a global sport, but if F1 terms, the UK is one of its biggest markets.

    If the sponsors dwindle away, then you can bet the Middle east nations will loose interest in spending so much money.

    And how much money will sky pay then for F1 coverage?

  • Marti29/07/2011 at 07:48

    Mercedes GP has retweeted this tweet from SPC. http://twitter.com/#!/sidepodcast/status/96655510601863168

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:48

    And how much money will sky pay then for F1 coverage?

    F1 will have no choice but drop its price... and end up back on ITV, in all probability.

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:48

    I think this is just wild speculation:

    The #F1 teams did not know about the sky deal. They could still pull the plug on the deal yet

    http://twitter.com/#!/KEEP_F1_ON_BBC/status/96847095243345920

    Also not sure on the account. ;)

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:49

    The #F1 teams did not know about the sky deal. They could still pull the plug on the deal yet

    How would he know? Also, if the deal's been signed, they can only pull the plug in court. And that would get very messy very quickly.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 07:50

    The #F1 teams did not know about the sky deal. They could still pull the plug on the deal yet

    does this random tweeter know that for sure though?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:50

    BOO to BBC Radio Wales cutting Stuart.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:50

    FWIW, I'm surprised the BBC didn't wait until the summer break to announce it. As it is, the weekend will be dominated with talk on this.

  • Stuart C29/07/2011 at 07:51

    BOO to BBC Radio Wales cutting Stuart.

    Heh heh. They were over-running a bit I think!

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 07:51

    I'M SO ANGRY YOU GUYS. I think I'm going to have to stop watching.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:51

    BOO to BBC Radio Wales cutting Stuart.

    Heh heh. They were over-running a bit I think!

    Looks like. It's 9 to 9, after all. Switching to Jake on Radio 1 now.

  • Stuart C29/07/2011 at 07:52

    Right. Must shower now. Back on WRC text duties at 9.

  • mattw29/07/2011 at 07:52

    F1 will have no choice but drop its price... and end up back on ITV, in all probability.

    So why not drop the price now and keep the fans on board?

    When the success of your business/sport is built on high viewing figures, it seems odd to play jepardy with the high viewing figures.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:52

    I'M SO ANGRY YOU GUYS. I think I'm going to have to stop watching.

    Completely understandable.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:52

    So why not drop the price now and keep the fans on board?

    Because Bernie wants his money now. In all probability, he won't be around by the time that happens.

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:52

    does this random tweeter know that for sure though?

    No idea, which is why I've noted it as speculation

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 07:52

    Oooh...

    #endOfDays

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:53

    Jake on Radio 1: the period of 2009 to 2011 has been the best of my career.

    (shortened)

    sounds like he's off then.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:53

    Oooh...

    #endOfDays

    Well, you wanted politics, you got it now. :P Boo.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:53

    sounds like he's off then.

    He could've been even before this. He definitely will be now.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:54

    sounds like he's off then.

    "Good luck to whoever is doing it... whether I'm involved or not."

    Ha!

  • lou29/07/2011 at 07:54

    Jake on Radio 1: the period of 2009 to 2011 has been the best of my career.

    (shortened)

    sounds like he's off then.

    :( i think we've had our golden age of F1 coverage. what horrible news to wake up to :(

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 07:54

    Because Bernie wants his money now. In all probability, he won't be around by the time that happens.

    hes probably thinking 'ah well, theres lots of other countries'

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 07:54

    is this going to be like when the Times went behind a paywall and everyone stopped reading it?

    I mean, i dont think anyone was a *fan* of the Times, but still. Ugh. Let's share the cost of a Sky Sports package and all go round Mr&Mrs C's house.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:55

    i think we've had our golden age of F1 coverage. what horrible news to wake up to

    Absolutely. Mentioned that on F1F earlier. 2009-2011 was the Golden Era of F1 broadcasting.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 07:55

    Well, you wanted politics, you got it now. :P Boo.

    VPN + Skyplayer next year.

    Depends who they get doing it i guess, could well be not worth watching

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:55

    Absolutely. Mentioned that on F1F earlier. 2009-2011 was the Golden Era of F1 broadcasting.

    Don't want to start another debate here, but goodness me, imagine Eddie Jordan being part of the Golden Era.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:56

    Because Bernie wants his money now. In all probability, he won't be around by the time that happens.

    hes probably thinking 'ah well, theres lots of other countries'

    Possible side effect: less European viewers, Asian viewers will have a bigger share of the pie. Voila, Bernie has justification to move more races to Asia.

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:56

    Don't want to start another debate here, but goodness me, imagine Eddie Jordan being part of the Golden Era.

    Hehe :)

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 07:56

    "We will give F1 the full Sky Sports treatment with a commitment to each race never seen before on UK television."

    I know the BBC has been great and it sucks paying for it, but what if its even better?

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 07:56

    Depends who they get doing it i guess, could well be not worth watching

    if it's anything like the guys they got doing the F1+ stuff on Sky in 2002 it'll be TERRIBLE

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 07:56

    I have one question to ask though - how come football is alive and kicking and on Sky ?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:56

    Don't want to start another debate here, but goodness me, imagine Eddie Jordan being part of the Golden Era.

    It won't matter who's on Sky, because we probably won't get to see it. Pretty much the Dark Ages.

  • lou29/07/2011 at 07:57

    Absolutely. Mentioned that on F1F earlier. 2009-2011 was the Golden Era of F1 broadcasting.

    am completely gutted. only comforted by the idea that Producer Jason said 5 live will continue their coverage. thank god.

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 07:57

    I dunno, I saw the Star Sports coverage in Malaysia which also goes out across the region, it was awful. Alex Yoong and a couple of other people sat in a windowless studio.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:57

    I know the BBC has been great and it sucks paying for it, but what if its even better?

    They have the money to make it excellent.

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 07:57

    Don't want to start another debate here, but goodness me, imagine Eddie Jordan being part of the Golden Era.

    :)

  • James29/07/2011 at 07:57

    Jake on Radio 1: Not sure if he knows more then he'll let on but so far doesn't seem to know whether he or anyone from the current team will be involved.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 07:57

    is there another sport we can watch? You guys are the best. I hear darts is making a comeback

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 07:57

    I know the BBC has been great and it sucks paying for it, but what if its even better?

    Sky sports better, is not necessarily actually better :)

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 07:57

    They have the money to make it excellent.

    I am going to stay out of talks of Golden Eras and stuff until I actually see what they deliver :)

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:57

    "We will give F1 the full Sky Sports treatment with a commitment to each race never seen before on UK television."

    I know the BBC has been great and it sucks paying for it, but what if its even better?

    If SKY made better F1 coverage and no one saw it, was it ever on TV?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 07:58

    If SKY made better F1 coverage and no one saw it, was it ever on TV?

    :)

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 07:58

    BBC5Live + LiveTiming + Timer Tracker + SPC Dashboard it is then! Who needs to see the sponsors, right ?

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 07:59

    I know the BBC has been great and it sucks paying for it, but what if its even better?

    Sky presentation is not attractive in my view. Too overboard and tabloid

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 07:59

    I dunno, I saw the Star Sports coverage in Malaysia which also goes out across the region, it was awful. Alex Yoong and a couple of other people sat in a windowless studio.

    super horrible but it is produced by the hopeless team in Singapore ... not much to do with Sky Sports at the moment other than it having the same owner

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 07:59

    I have one question to ask though - how come football is alive and kicking and on Sky ?

    Because people watch it at the pub and/or at the stadium. That's a harder ask for F1, especially watching it at the track.

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 07:59

    "We will give F1 the full Sky Sports treatment with a commitment to each race never seen before on UK television."

    If you want to see the full Sky Sports treatment watch their IndyCar coverage. Remote feed with someone else's commentators + three depressed looking people in a windowless studio.

    For the cost of a green sheet and a copy of final cut they could fake the windows.

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 08:00

    Because people watch it at the pub and/or at the stadium. That's a harder ask for F1, especially watching it at the track.

    And lots and lots of people watch streams

  • James29/07/2011 at 08:00

    Ah Free practice has started! :)

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 08:01

    If you want to see the full Sky Sports treatment watch their IndyCar coverage. Remote feed with someone else's commentators + three depressed looking people in a windowless studio.

    but surely they realise the importance of F1, I imagine they'd treat it a little better than they do some other sports. It's going to have to be a flagship thing.

    It's so not like me to try be optimistic :D

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:01

    Speed TV's coverage in the US is good, although only Will Buxton is at the circuit. Expect to hear more of his name soon...

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:01

    And lots and lots of people watch streams

    so how come then Sky makes so much money out of it that it can pay more and more and more everytime the deal up

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:01

    Oh good the session has started so I don't need to read back and find out whatever bad news is being discussed

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:01

    Ah Free practice has started! :)

    Ooh, thread: http://sidepodcast.com/post/live-hungary-2011-free-practice-1

    Scheduled it wrong. Good job I got up!

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 08:01

    I am wondering... Will the same coverage be broadcast on both the BBC and the Sky channels during the races that have both? Or will there be two teams BBC getting some of the races and carting off the boring ones to Sky?

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:02

    so how come then Sky makes so much money out of it that it can pay more and more and more everytime the deal up

    because pub subscriptions are massively expensive, for one

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:02

    I dunno, I saw the Star Sports coverage in Malaysia which also goes out across the region, it was awful. Alex Yoong and a couple of other people sat in a windowless studio.

    They might be all out of a job...

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:02

    Alex that's what I'm wondering, two teams would be crazy. Also wondering if it'll be on Sky Sports 1 and 2 which is available on digital terrestrial, or just on 3 and 4 which is Sat / Cable only

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:02

    They might be all out of a job...

    I soooo hope so ! :-)

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 08:03

    They might be all out of a job...

    I need someone to explain this to me, why would the British deal affect what happens in Asia?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:03

    Mr Jake predicts LewHam for a win this weekend.

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:04

    Sky could pool coverage with other newscorp affiliated networks

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:04

    I need someone to explain this to me, why would the British deal affect what happens in Asia?

    because guess who owns Star Sports ...

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 08:04

    because guess who owns Star Sports ...

    NewsCorp own stations here too, I don't think anything would change.

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 08:04

    I need someone to explain this to me, why would the British deal affect what happens in Asia?

    Star is owned by News International who half own Sky

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:05

    Star is owned by News International who half own Sky

    News Corporation, not News Internationa;

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 08:05

    NewsCorp own stations here too, I don't think anything would change.

    That would be what would happen if NewsCorp took over F1

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:05

    (being pernickity)

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:05

    NewsCorp own stations here too, I don't think anything would change.

    as I mentioned a while earlier, the sports that are on Sky in UK and on Star Sports here usually have the same Sky coverage

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 08:05

    News Corporation, not News Internationa;

    Sorry oops.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 08:05

    as I mentioned a while earlier, the sports that are on Sky in UK and on Star Sports here usually have the same Sky coverage

    ah i see

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 08:06

    That would be what would happen if NewsCorp took over F1

    that'd be bad news, I can never get another job if F1 goes to pay tv :D

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:06

    News Corporation, not News Internationa;

    Both are owned byMurdoch

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:06

    because guess who owns Star Sports ...

    NewsCorp own stations here too, I don't think anything would change.

    If they have low value production for F1 and acess to a much higher production, i think they would take it.

    Australia is different, they are much more into having their own coverage of things than asia...

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:07

    Both are owned byMurdoch

    sure, but the UK Newspaper publishing group doesn't own a singapore broadcasting company

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:09

    who is the Natalie Pinkham replacement - Jenny someone?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:09

    who is the Natalie Pinkham replacement - Jenny someone?

    Jenny Gow.

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 08:11

    who is the Natalie Pinkham replacement - Jenny someone?

    Jenny Gow.

    If you follow her on Twitter you may have seen she does a lot of work for Sky. Presenting Sky Sports News, continuity announcer for Sky One..

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:12

    I wonder if it was the fact that you can listen in to radio messages that attracted Murdoch to F1...

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 08:14

    Brundle out of contract he says. He says he found out last night and is not impressed.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 08:15

    Brundle out of contract he says. He says he found out last night and is not impressed.

    That's Brundle off to Sky, then.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:15

    I wonder if it was the fact that you can listen in to radio messages that attracted Murdoch to F1...

    :D

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 08:16

    That's Brundle off to Sky, then.

    what about the not impressed bit?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:16

    Brundle out of contract he says. He says he found out last night and is not impressed.

    An angry Brundle is always great to listen to or read

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 08:17

    That's Brundle off to Sky, then.

    what about the not impressed bit?

    I think he's not impressed with the BBC for not letting him know sooner.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:18

    is Mr C asleep? No one wake him, let him have this blissful ignorance

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:18

    Stuart, I'm stealing that line!!

  • James29/07/2011 at 08:18

    some interesting tweets from easonF1:

    Can't imagine Bernie told the teams who were insisting on full free to air deal

    http://twitter.com/#!/easonF1/status/96848709949718528

    Bernie E clearly did not tell teams before he decided to move F1 to satellite telly. Details later

    http://twitter.com/#!/easonF1/status/96844246245588992

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:18

    Stuart, I'm stealing that line!!

    :)

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:18

    The one about listening in to radio messages

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:19

    Saw that - pretty brave for a Times journalist.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:19

    is Mr C asleep? No one wake him, let him have this blissful ignorance

    He is. I have woken him up early with exciting news before. This... I was not brave enough :)

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:21

    I want to cry.....and batter Bernie....

    I do not want to shell out for Sky sports next year

    Is this the death warrant for F1 in the UK?

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:22

    He is. I have woken him up early with exciting news before. This... I was not brave enough :)

    oh god, it must be horrible knowing you'll have to break it to him sooner or later. Can you do the Gordon Brown sandwich technique: Good News / Bad News / Good News ?

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:23

    TED News: When [ecclestone was] asked whether he felt it was a shame a terrestrial broadcaster would no longer be showing every race live he said: "It was not us who made that decision".

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:23

    oh god, it must be horrible knowing you'll have to break it to him sooner or later. Can you do the Gordon Brown sandwich technique: Good News / Bad News / Good News ?

    The good news is next year's calendar will be shorter, bad news is that's because F1 has been stolen from under us, but the good news is it probably means no more EJ.

    Sorted.

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:23

    Maybe start by convincing him that it's going to be moving to edited highlights on Dave.

    Anything after that will be a blessing.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:23

    Is this the death warrant for F1 in the UK?

    It is massively negative. THe press release Crofty read makes no sense. THe 'key' races will be on BBC. So Sky are paying for non-key races? and some races are more important than others? Two tier points system?

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:23

    Sorted.

    :) Nicely done

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:23

    Anything after that will be a blessing.

    Hehehe.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:24

    It is massively negative. THe press release Crofty read makes no sense. THe 'key' races will be on BBC. So Sky are paying for non-key races? and some races are more important than others? Two tier points system?

    Sky get it all, BBC just cherry pick.

  • James29/07/2011 at 08:24

    TED News: When [ecclestone was] asked whether he felt it was a shame a terrestrial broadcaster would no longer be showing every race live he said: "It was not us who made that decision".

    pass the blame game.

    I don't blame the BBC they have less money and the contract isn't as justifiable as it once was.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:24

    I feel like I'm at a wake

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:25

    Sky get it all, BBC just cherry pick.

    Yes but the audience will stick with BBC when they show races. I guess the plan is to gradually move more races to Sky

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:25

    Bernie E clearly did not tell teams before he decided to move F1 to satellite telly. Details later

    Teams strike in australia unless the put it on terrestial? :P

    Sky do have terrestial channels,its not necessarily going to be on pay tv...

    ...F1 will gain from the exposure on Sky Sports News though

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:25

    Any news on a Sky broadcast team?

    Ok here me out here.........I think the coverage prior and after the race will be annoying and advert laden but I do think the actual race will be left untouched....the leave the football in peace etc

    Anyone watch GT1 on Sky Sports 3? Does that have ad breaks during the race?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:26

    Yes but the audience will stick with BBC when they show races. I guess the plan is to gradually move more races to Sky

    I think if you get Sky, you'll watch it on Sky. Continuity is important. If you don't get Sky, you may bother to watch the Beeb ones, but then again you might not bother at all.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:26

    Anyone watch GT1 on Sky Sports 3? Does that have ad breaks during the race?

    The press release says no adbreaks during sessions

  • James29/07/2011 at 08:26

    Any news on a Sky broadcast team?

    No news yet. Jake didn't seem to know when he was on Radio 1 earlier.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:27

    I think if you get Sky, you'll watch it on Sky. Continuity is important. If you don't get Sky, you may bother to watch the Beeb ones, but then again you might not bother at all.

    I guess a lot of people will watch the races at the pub when they are on sky, and the bbc ones at home?

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:27

    No news yet. Jake didn't seem to know when he was on Radio 1 earlier.

    the only news is that Brundle is out of contract (his own tweet).

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:27

    Ahh cherry picking.

    If anyone's ever wondered why a race they were looking forward to turns out unaccountably, unexpectedly bad, for no apparent reason, or gets massively delayed, or descends into farce. It's a jinx linked to cherry picking.

    Check back to the US TV listings and you'll probably find it was one of the few races each year 'cherry picked' by Fox in the US for full national terrestrial network coverage.

    Canada, for example, was supposed to be on Fox, but they'd long gone by the time it eventually got going, and it ended up back on Speed TV on cable.

    A nation shrugged.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:28

    I guess a lot of people will watch the races at the pub when they are on sky, and the bbc ones at home?

    Made me think of something.....I work with a bloke who creates about not paying a single penny to Murdoch.........yet he'll happily go down the pub and watch races so long as someone else is paying

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:28

    just to diverge to practice a second - i've only got radio - is it wet?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:28

    the only news is that Brundle is out of contract (his own tweet).

    Good news for him, sky will be desperate to keep him so $$$time,

    expect his son in an HRT or williams near you soon :P

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:28

    just to diverge to practice a second - i've only got radio - is it wet?

    looks dry

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:29

    I think if you get Sky, you'll watch it on Sky. Continuity is important. If you don't get Sky, you may bother to watch the Beeb ones, but then again you might not bother at all.

    Continuity is important but how many people will pay to watch. Before Sky a world championship fight on terrestrial TV got a huge audience and everyone including my mother knew all the top boxers. Now we have very successful boxers who no-one even knows their names because everything is pay per view. Same could happen to F1. Maybe the audience will be 10% of what it is now.

  • James29/07/2011 at 08:29

    just to diverge to practice a second - i've only got radio - is it wet?

    theres a thread for that ;)

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:30

    Ugh, I'd PAY Sky to show it for free.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:30

    just to diverge to practice a second - i've only got radio - is it wet?

    No

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:30

    Same could happen to F1. Maybe the audience will be 10% of what it is now.

    Agreed.

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:31

    Which genius decided to announce it at the beginning of an F1 weekend?

    I smell a rat.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:31

    Which genius decided to announce it at the beginning of an F1 weekend?

    Same one who announced Donington at Silverstone

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:32

    Which genius decided to announce it at the beginning of an F1 weekend?

    someone not happy with the deal.

    ...Its a shame nothing happens between races any more.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:32

    Crofty reading off a bunch of tweets now in reaction to Sky deal

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:32

    Continuity is important but how many people will pay to watch. Before Sky a world championship fight on terrestrial TV got a huge audience and everyone including my mother knew all the top boxers. Now we have very successful boxers who no-one even knows their names because everything is pay per view. Same could happen to F1. Maybe the audience will be 10% of what it is now.

    if it is going to make you feel any better we have absolutely no sports on free TV over here, except local football league that nobody is watching. anything remotely worth watching is on cable. and to be able to watch what I like to watch I need to have 2 different cable companies as the cable companies (not channels) are buying the rights here ... monthly TV bill over USD100 ...

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:33

    US cable packages with Speed TV in them are a lot cheaper than Sky Sports though.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:33

    if it is going to make you feel any better we have absolutely no sports on free TV over here, ...

    I can't feel better by relative fortune. I feel WORSE for you :(

  • Chris D29/07/2011 at 08:33

    Don't know about anywhere else though.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 08:34

    if it is going to make you feel any better we have absolutely no sports on free TV over here, except local football league that nobody is watching. anything remotely worth watching is on cable. and to be able to watch what I like to watch I need to have 2 different cable companies as the cable companies (not channels) are buying the rights here ... monthly TV bill over USD100 ...

    New Zealand is like that, every sport is on pay tv and the country has one of the highest rates of subscription households in the world. The odd thing compared to what I see in most countries is that everyone thinks its normal and I never hear anyone complain about the price of it. I was the only person I knew growing up who didn't have it at home, people thought my parents were weird for not having it :)

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:34

    I can't feel better by relative fortune. I feel WORSE for you :(

    the thing is after a while you get used to it.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:34

    if it is going to make you feel any better we have absolutely no sports on free TV over here, except local football league that nobody is watching. anything remotely worth watching is on cable. and to be able to watch what I like to watch I need to have 2 different cable companies as the cable companies (not channels) are buying the rights here ... monthly TV bill over USD100 ...

    I think what grates people here is we pay a licence fee and they spend it on tacky reality tv programs like Snog, Marry, Avoid and yet stuff that is watched by adults (you know the ones paying the fee) get their programming cut...

    My facebook status is a little ranty today!

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:35

    the thing is after a while you get used to it.

    that's the tragic thing :(

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:35

    the thing is after a while you get used to it.

    That is what has happened here. Lots of sports have gradually moved to Sky and now Rupert more or less has a monopoly on sport

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:36

    Here's the "teams not sure" story: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:36

    I think what grates people here is we pay a licence fee and they spend it on tacky reality tv programs like Snog, Marry, Avoid and yet stuff that is watched by adults (you know the ones paying the fee) get their programming cut...

    Welll..... no need to be snobby. It's important to have a diverse range of programming. BBC Three is about breaking out new ideas of programming, which is why you get such a mixed bag. The BBC has to cater to all tastes

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:36

    the one thing I feel bad about is that this seems to be a work of Chris Patten, still a hugely popular person in this city :-(

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:37

    Welll..... no need to be snobby. It's important to have a diverse range of programming. BBC Three is about breaking out new ideas of programming, which is why you get such a mixed bag. The BBC has to cater to all tastes

    Is there any point in the bbc anymore?

    It seems to be falling apart, loosing F1 is just the begining of the end

  • James29/07/2011 at 08:37

    Here's the "teams not sure" story: www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93455

    Cue F1 fans everywhere pining their hopes on this.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:38

    Here's the "teams not sure" story: www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93455

    Interesting

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:39

    Is there any point in the bbc anymore?

    of course there is. The BBC is a public broadcaster that doesn't have to programme based on capitalism or revenue. Therefore it provides a wide range of important programming that you won't find anywhere else.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:39

    Welll..... no need to be snobby. It's important to have a diverse range of programming. BBC Three is about breaking out new ideas of programming, which is why you get such a mixed bag. The BBC has to cater to all tastes

    That's not being snobby.....that's just pointing something out!

    As you say it's catering to all tastes....seems our tastes are less important in the eyes of the bosses.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:40

    As you say it's catering to all tastes....seems our tastes are less important in the eyes of the bosses.

    but you'd have to cut 1000 snog marry avoids to equal cutting F1, so it's all about balanced savings. I'm not saying I'm happy, but it's a more sensible decision

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:40

    Here's the "teams not sure" story: www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93455

    Only read the start Whitmarsh's response and it is as weak as I would expect. The reason Bernie has been able to do what he likes is because he does this and none of the stakeholders stands up and says this is right out of order and we are not going to accept it

  • James29/07/2011 at 08:40

    Reading the autosport article, this will be the reason the deal remains as is:

    Williams chairman Adam Parr said the key was understanding the finer details of the arrangement – because what teams lose in widespread television viewing figures could be gained in an increased revenue from Sky.

    if the teams get some more money, then really they aren't bothered.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:41

    of course there is. The BBC is a public broadcaster that doesn't have to programme based on capitalism or revenue. Therefore it provides a wide range of important programming that you won't find anywhere else.

    But the BBC does tailor programmes with revenue in mind.....ie Top Gear. Considering the BBC does very well out of their overseas sales.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:42

    Only read the start Whitmarsh's response and it is as weak as I would expect. The reason Bernie has been able to do what he likes is because he does this and none of the stakeholders stands up and says this is right out of order and we are not going to accept it

    Absolutely. Some interesting stuff at the bottom from Adam Parr about changing media platforms, but it's not really relevant to the matter at hand.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:42

    But the BBC does tailor programmes with revenue in mind.....ie Top Gear. Considering the BBC does very well out of their overseas sales.

    sure but it has a duty to provide a range of diverse programming, which is why you get a lot of politics, history, science programming etc. I mean without the BBC you'd get a bunch of ITV/Sky1 programming, which isn't exactly a wonderful prospect

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:43

    but you'd have to cut 1000 snog marry avoids to equal cutting F1, so it's all about balanced savings. I'm not saying I'm happy, but it's a more sensible decision

    It's an example of a programme they'd continue to broadcast....as you say the costs aren't comparable.

    Most of us are not stupid and not snobby....we know full well the economic conditions imposed on the BBC....allow people the chance to vent about it a little as clearly this is not goign to please fans on a f1 fan site!

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:44

    Only read the start Whitmarsh's response and it is as weak as I would expect. The reason Bernie has been able to do what he likes is because he does this and none of the stakeholders stands up and says this is right out of order and we are not going to accept it

    Whitmarsh has a legal responsibility to his shareholders, he might want it on free to air, but if it makes the company more money to put it on sky, then he is obliged to support it

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:45

    I'd suggest writing to FOM and say you'll only follow the races on radio from now on, and you won't be able to see any of the sponsors

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:45

    Whitmarsh has a legal responsibility to his shareholders, he might want it on free to air, but if it makes the company more money to put it on sky, then he is obliged to support it

    Sponsors have always insisted on free to air

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:46

    If sky put GP2&3 on with the same coverage as F1 it could be great.

    I think the BBC had the rights to that and subsell them to eurosport so it could well happen

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:47

    Sponsors have always insisted on free to air

    True, wil be interested to see if any ditch it, vodafone is the only real UK focused sponsor i can think of

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:48

    True, wil be interested to see if any ditch it, vodafone is the only real UK focused sponsor i can think of

    Santander has quite a presence now.

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 08:49

    I think the Autosport story has been updated since earlier? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93447

    Practices, qualifying and races on Sky. BBC only doing races? BBC will show highlights of every round.

    (following along whilst I wait to do a stocktake..why did it have to be today of all days)

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:49

    do you think any sponsors have 'free to air' get our clauses? They'll prob be kicking themselves if they dont. I know UK isn't the only market, of course

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:49

    get-OUT* clauses

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:49

    do you think any sponsors have 'free to air' get our clauses? They'll prob be kicking themselves if they dont. I know UK isn't the only market, of course

    I doubt it...the teams must be aware this is always a chance of happening and cover for it in contracts

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:49

    Santander has quite a presence now.

    Its more for Spain though with Snr Alonso

    Lots of sponsors have an intrest in the UK, but there arent so many UK sponsors in F1 now

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:49

    I think the Autosport story has been updated since earlier? www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93447

    Someone's gone a bit mad with italics in there.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 08:49

    True, wil be interested to see if any ditch it, vodafone is the only real UK focused sponsor i can think of

    Vodafone are in so many countries though.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:50

    True, wil be interested to see if any ditch it, vodafone is the only real UK focused sponsor i can think of

    I think you have to look at the bigger picture and how Bernie operates. If this deal goes through there will be similar deals in other countries that currently have free to air TV. Some sponsors may be smart enough to consider this

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 08:50

    I think the Autosport story has been updated since earlier? www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93447

    It also reads like a BBC decision, the bit at the bottom and the Bernie quote someone linked earlier.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 08:50

    Its more for Spain though with Snr Alonso

    Fair enough. I see Hamilton's Santander-smiling face quite a lot.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 08:50

    Practices, qualifying and races on Sky. BBC only doing races?

    That's how I understood it

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 08:51

    Santander has quite a presence now.

    Its more for Spain though with Snr Alonso

    Lots of sponsors have an intrest in the UK, but there arent so many UK sponsors in F1 now

    Not the McLaren deal surely

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:51

    Practices, qualifying and races on Sky. BBC only doing races?

    that's not what I've read. We need a clearer statement!

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 08:51

    Not the McLaren deal surely

    or have they gone, i don't keep up

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:51

    Not the McLaren deal surely

    or have they gone, i don't keep up

    Drivers only

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:54

    David Croft wants F1 to go 4D so you can smell what he can smell. Not sure I agree with that, but Sky have invested quite heavily in 3D now that I think about it...

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 08:54

    The press release says no adbreaks during sessions

    Can you point me at this, its great news!

    If there's no ads, personally as a Sky Sports subscriber, I see the move as a good thing, the coverage is likely to get better across the network as a whole, with more dedicating f1 programming and Im happy to put up with the ads, as I normally watch the races on delay anyway, so just Sky+ the coverage start watching 30 minutes after the start, forward through the ads. I do the same now when EJ starts a question that turns, into a statement, that turns into an embarrassed silence!

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:54

    The new calender has a huge shake up in it http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93453

    Not much faith in Austin getting finished in time, could cause them legal problems

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:56

    "Sky Sports will show every race, qualifying session and practice live"

    "BBC Sport will broadcast half the races live, as well as the qualifying and practice sessions from those races"

    Ok so who's going to be the commentators.....I can see it being Crofty and John Watson being on Sky...they do alot of GT stuff (and they're actually fantastic at it)...

    Where would you're allegiance lie say if Sky races get Brundle and the BBC bring back Leggard......pay for brundle or put up with Leggard?

    Oh I bet James Allen thought it was xmas...another way for him to come back possibly

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:56

    let's appreciate the end of this season, guys! It'll be the end of an era. SPC Christmas party meetup spectacular I say

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:57

    If sky broadcast the practice sessions does that mean we get them in HD too...

    that's be 1 up on the Red Button

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:57

    If sky broadcast the practice sessions does that mean we get them in HD too...

    Does Sky Sports HD cost more than Sky Sports?

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 08:58

    Does Sky Sports HD cost more than Sky Sports?

    It'll be part of the HD package....if you pay for sky sports and you already pay for HD it'll be included (I think)

    I pay for HD at present..

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 08:59

    I pay for HD at present..

    I don't pay for HD (but I have an HD box). So if I... you know what, I'll go and look it up

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 08:59

    The new calender has a huge shake up in it www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93453

    I am wondering how will this calendar work for Australia. last few years the race was from 5pm and it was scheduled for the first day of daylight saving (or last) I am confused a bit here. next year the time change will come on April 1. looks like they have to start the race earlier than 5pm then ...

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 08:59

    Does Sky Sports HD cost more than Sky Sports?

    Yes, its about 50 quid a month as opposed to 35 odd

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:00

    HD costs £10 a month more on sky for all channels

    You no longer have to pay an extra 10 for separate multi room boxes

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:00

    Yes, its about 50 quid a month as opposed to 35 odd

    Well, fudge that, then. even £35 is too much

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 09:00

    I am wondering how will this calendar work for Australia. last few years the race was from 5pm and it was scheduled for the first day of daylight saving (or last) I am confused a bit here. next year the time change will come on April 1. looks like they have to start the race earlier than 5pm then ...

    the time doesn't change here that weekend though, it changes in the UK.

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 09:01

    But the BBC does tailor programmes with revenue in mind.....ie Top Gear. Considering the BBC does very well out of their overseas sales.

    BBC Worldwide has a say in program creation with a view for resale. So things like Top Gear and Dr Who and Blue Plannet get made. But the BBC doesn't see the F1 as a program they can resell, because they need the rights.

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:01

    Yes, its about 50 quid a month as opposed to 35 odd

    Its 45 then (if Sky sports costs 35), however this 10 will also get you all the other HD channels that exists within your subscription

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:01

    As i see it sky will have to offer something more than the BBC to make it worthwhile.

    I think that has to be GP2 coverage,

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:02

    I don't pay for HD (but I have an HD box). So if I... you know what, I'll go and look it up

    You may be better off coming into Sky sports as a new customer...practically throw deals at you...

    At the mo I pay £50 a month and I get

    Unlimited Broadband

    Telephone line

    Normal sky package (everything but movies and sports)

    Sky HD

    Sky+

    That might seem a lot (£50) but if you break it all down individually it's not that bad.

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 09:02

    the time doesn't change here that weekend though, it changes in the UK.

    UK is March 25, Australia April 1 (I assume Australia the other way given the location :-) )

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:02

    Oh and sky talk (phone)

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:03

    . But the BBC doesn't see the F1 as a program they can resell, because they need the rights.

    It was a bit short sighted, im sure abu dhabi sports would have bought that as they have no English language coverage outside of sessions

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:03

    Well, fudge that, then. even £35 is too much

    I was thinking the other day how much I'd be willing to pay for adless PPV, I thought I'd be happy to pay 10er a race, or 200 quid a year.

    Sky sports for a year will be around 500 odd, so loads more than that, if you're not into the football/ cricket/ Rugby then its impossible to justify

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:04

    Sky sports for a year will be around 500 odd, so loads more than that, if you're not into the football/ cricket/ Rugby then its impossible to justify

    thats the problem with Sky Sports... a lot of people only like certain sports. A lot of F1 fans don't like football (prob not the majority, but still). If you could break down the coverage so you could just pay for the F1 then that would be better

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:04

    at 35 quid a month it works out 42quid per exclusive race

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 09:05

    UK is March 25, Australia April 1 (I assume Australia the other way given the location :-) )

    I think they should shuffle the European ones around so I can fit one into my trip :D

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:05

    You may be better off coming into Sky sports as a new customer...practically throw deals at you...

    At the mo I pay £50 a month and I get

    Unlimited Broadband

    Telephone line

    Normal sky package (everything but movies and sports)

    Sky HD

    Sky+

    That might seem a lot (£50) but if you break it all down individually it's not that bad.

    Buy bill had edged towards £100, I was horrified when I saw it, so cancelled ESPN (which I must have watched at most 2 Everton matches on last year and perhaps a couple of others) and Sky movies which took about 25 off or so, so Im still paying 75 odd a month, which still seems horrific, it is a very good service though

  • Lynch29/07/2011 at 09:05

    Does anyone know if you can still get Sky1 on free view ?? i know it used to be... (clings on to grain if hope)

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:05

    my bill even!

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:06

    Does anyone know if you can still get Sky1 on free view ?? i know it used to be... (clings on to grain if hope)

    I don't think so no :o(

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:06

    thats the problem with Sky Sports... a lot of people only like certain sports. A lot of F1 fans don't like football (prob not the majority, but still). If you could break down the coverage so you could just pay for the F1 then that would be better

    That's my prob.....i'd probably on watch GT1 (even though watch on Gt.com for free) and maybe the odd bit of Nascar, Indy Car.....but i'd have no need for the other 2 sky sports channels and my money spent on the sports package would probably equal only 10 hours viewing per month

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:06

    Does anyone know if you can still get Sky1 on free view ?? i know it used to be... (clings on to grain if hope)

    You'd be lucky!!! How could they make people subscribe on sky if they can buy a seperate digi box and watch it free?!

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:06

    Does anyone know if you can still get Sky1 on free view ?? i know it used to be... (clings on to grain if hope)

    Sky 3 i think?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 09:08

    The new calender has a huge shake up in it www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93453

    No races in August! I like.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:11

    i dont follow other sports, so i don't know, but it seems like F1 fans get mucked about more than most

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:12

    http://digitalcomparison.co.uk/providers/sky/upgrades

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:13

    i dont follow other sports, so i don't know, but it seems like F1 fans get mucked about more than most

    F1s doing pretty well, look how much football and cricket is still on terrestial

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 09:14

    Brilliant picture in the daily Lukeh!

    I understand that the BBC need to cut costs, the licence fee has been frozen and they need to cut budgets across the board. I won't be watching F1 on Sky for the same reason that I don't watch football, I can't afford it. On my cable package it would cost an extra £22.50 per month for the sports channels. Unless I get a very well paid job in the next few months (highly unlikely) I will have to do without.

    I'm hoping one of the local sports pubs will be showing it, perhaps Bernie wants us all to go out into the community more :)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 09:14

    i dont follow other sports, so i don't know, but it seems like F1 fans get mucked about more than most

    I disagree. Sky has been routinely screwing over fans of all sports since they launched their original analogue service. At that time they put out a statement saying that no-one would ever have to pay to see a sport that was currently free to air. THey said Sky would only ever charge for new sports coverage that had not existed previously.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:14

    Christine, can you video document waking up MrC and breaking the news. It could be a YouTube sensation. To save his anonymity, only record the sound and we'll create an animation around it

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 09:15

    I'm hoping one of the local sports pubs will be showing it, perhaps Bernie wants us all to go out into the community more :)

    He's trying to stop all the pubs closing down!

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:15

    Christine, can you video document waking up MrC and breaking the news. It could be a YouTube sensation. To save his anonymity, only record the sound and we'll create an animation around it

    :D :D :D

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 09:15

    He's trying to stop all the pubs closing down!

    This is Bernie. Once everyone is in the pubs he will go round and steal their houses

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 09:15

    Christine, can you video document waking up MrC and breaking the news. It could be a YouTube sensation. To save his anonymity, only record the sound and we'll create an animation around it

    Hehehe.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:16

    from sky website

    "If you already have Sky TV, add the Sky Sports Pack for just £20.25 extra a month, or £30.50 extra a month with the HD Pack. Don't miss the Barclays Premier League action on Sky Sports - save £5 when you upgrade to the Sports Pack online. "

    http://www.sky.com/shop/tv/sports/

    An extra £366 per year! Well done F1...that's me priced out of it.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:17

    I hope the BBC air all the early morning races, as the pubs won't be open then

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:18

    and I hope the pub doesn't mind me bringing a laptop or two into the bar

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:18

    Here's to hoping the new FIA Le Mans series takes off properly and out prices F1 into oblivion...

    I resent paying only £30 for 6 hours of LMp1 racing at Silverstone yet the same seat for F1 is £300...

    Greed

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:19

    If you already have the HD pack though, its the £20

    To be honest for me, getting F1 probably going to justify me keeping Sky Sports as I watch so much football in the pub anyway, so they've already made back £240 of their license fee.

    You can cut Sky sports monthly as and how you like so if F1 is only for 8 months a year, you'd only have to pay for those

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:20

    To be honest for me, getting F1 probably going to justify me keeping Sky Sports as I watch so much football in the pub anyway, so they've already made back £240 of their license fee.

    I jsut quoted from Sky's website

    "If you already have Sky TV, add the Sky Sports Pack for just £20.25 extra a month, or £30.50 extra a month with the HD Pack. Don't miss the Barclays Premier League action on Sky Sports - save £5 when you upgrade to the Sports Pack online"

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:22

    I know, the costs are correct, I was just saying you don't have to pay 10 extra for HD if you were already paying that for other channels. Its a flat HD fee across the whole network.

    By the sounds of it, most here were not, so it will be the 30 quid figure if they want the full singing and dancing HD.

    They'd also get the Simpsons in HD though! And all doc channels etc.

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:24

    Just to confirm

    "Every second of every race will be live and uninterrupted on Sky Sports so no ad breaks, Tracy. We will also be showing more coverage than ever before with every race in HD, plus build-up through the week on Sky Sports News HD and on skysports.com as well as every practice and qualifying session."

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:24

    I know, the costs are correct, I was just saying you don't have to pay 10 extra for HD if you were already paying that for other channels. Its a flat HD fee across the whole network.

    Ah right ok....they way it's adveritised is slightly misleading. They don't state clearly if you have an exisiting HD package you'll only pay the £20.25 extra per month...it's inferred you're paying £30+ etc...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 09:24

    "Every second of every race will be live and uninterrupted on Sky Sports so no ad breaks, Tracy. We will also be showing more coverage than ever before with every race in HD, plus build-up through the week on Sky Sports News HD and on skysports.com as well as every practice and qualifying session."

    At least no adbreaks. The cost barrier is still too high, though.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:25

    RT @sniffpetrol 'cost of F1 rights per year: £45m; cost of moving BBC depts to Salford: £900m'

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 09:27

    FP2 not on 5 live due to cricket *yawn*

    Still on red button though

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 09:28

    At least no adbreaks. The cost barrier is still too high, though.

    Yup, as I said for me, as a football fan, it completely justifies the subscription.

    If I had no interest in football, Id be fuming right now, as it is, I'll probably get more F1 programming than before

    not that I necessarily want/ need it! Seriously though I suspect they'll be loads more nerdy magazine type programs and even perhaps a horrifc F1AM type thing like Soccer AM.

    In fact Mr+Mrs C should get on to James Murdock about having a slot! Perhaps the rights to F1 minute could be sold!

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:29

    time for some twitter campaigning:

    chainbear:

    dear @VodafoneUK - can you please attempt to resist the F1 sky deal? I'll be forced to follow on radio and won't be able to see your logos

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 09:29

    dear @VodafoneUK - can you please attempt to resist the F1 sky deal? I'll be forced to follow on radio and won't be able to see your logos

    Darn good place to start.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 09:37

    Practice results: http://sidepodcast.com/post/hungary-2011-free-practice-1-results

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 09:44

    there is a facebook group to save F1, and those always work really well so go join :) http://t.co/4OepYUB

  • mattw29/07/2011 at 09:44

    BBC Worldwide has a say in program creation with a view for resale. So things like Top Gear and Dr Who and Blue Plannet get made. But the BBC doesn't see the F1 as a program they can resell, because they need the rights.

    The BBC already sells it coverage/comentry to several other countrys.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 09:44

    Looks like Joe has a pun surplus if he is already using them in FP1

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/ham-garoring/

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:52

    The BBC already sells it coverage/comentry to several other countrys.

    They should do, but unfortunatly not.

    The commentry is owned by FOM, so that goes out with the world feed

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:54

    Ultmatly its better to have F1 on pay tv rather than not on TV at all as i have suffered in the past.

  • Lynch29/07/2011 at 09:55

    RT @sniffpetrol 'cost of F1 rights per year: £45m; cost of moving BBC depts to Salford: £900m

    Yeh, what a joke! just so the northerners don't feel left out!

    (sorry, if that comment was controversial)

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:56

    I can see the rows tonight when I get home....

    'So hunni...you know we shell out for sky already?...how do you fancy paying another 50% on top of what we pay? I don't mind paying for it out of my wages"

    "oh so you'll happily pay for the F1 but you won't splash out £30 on blah blah"

    I bet that exact conversation will happen in countless homes around the country!

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:56

    Yeh, what a joke! just so the northerners don't feel left out!

    Well the media does tend to be Londoncentric and that needs to be addressed!

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 09:56

    RT @sniffpetrol 'cost of F1 rights per year: £45m; cost of moving BBC depts to Salford: £900m

    I hope eveyone pays attention to what the BBC are spending money on over the next few years and pulls them up on it.

    It would be the best response there is

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 09:56

    Williams chairman Adam Parr said the key was understanding the finer details of the arrangement - because what teams lose in widespread television viewing figures could be gained in an increased revenue from Sky.

    "In principle I have no issue with optimising the balance between the revenues that we need, and getting a good reach in the audience," he told AUTOSPORT. "The devil is in the detail.

    Boo to you, Adam Parr. I'm sorry, but money is not the be-all and end-all of this.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93455

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 09:57

    Yeh, what a joke! just so the northerners don't feel left out!

    I think it has more to do with property and operating costs in London. I imagine once they sell the unused London properties the numbers will look different.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 09:57

    I hope everyone pays attention to what the BBC are spending money on over the next few years and pulls them up on it.

    But what would they care? The fans have to hit them hard, and hit them now. So far, they've done that.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 09:59

    Boo to you, Adam Parr. I'm sorry, but money is not the be-all and end-all of this.

    Sod the fans. Show me the money

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 09:59

    who cares what Adam Parr thinks anymore....

    Williams give me the impression of the cliche old man sit in the corner moaning in the pub about past glory days.

    Everyone politely pays attention but couldn't careless :-)

  • Lynch29/07/2011 at 09:59

    Also, its funny all the f1 personalities on twitter saying "oh, it won be that bad" ie. "Must say good things, I might get a job!" *cough* Blundell, M. Hamilton, P. Windsor...

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 10:01

    MikeGascoyne: Jarno back in the car and very happy with the new power steering, very good to hear

    Goodness.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 10:01

    But what would they care? The fans have to hit them hard, and hit them now. So far, they've done that.

    Its a public organization overseen by a trust, if you complain about wasting money they tend to pay attention.

    Lets see where all the f1 money goes...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 10:01

    Also, its funny all the f1 personalities on twitter saying "oh, it won be that bad" ie. "Must say good things, I might get a job!" *cough* Blundell, M. Hamilton, P. Windsor...

    At least Blundell was upfront about it.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 10:01

    MikeGascoyne: Jarno back in the car and very happy with the new power steering, very good to hear

    Goodness.

    He must be drunk

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:02

    MikeGascoyne: Jarno back in the car and very happy with the new power steering, very good to hear

    Would he been as happy if Karun wasn't in it last week?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:03

    MikeGascoyne: Jarno back in the car and very happy with the new power steering, very good to hear

    Nothing like being dropped to make the car better

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 10:03

    MikeGascoyne: Jarno back in the car and very happy with the new power steering, very good to hear

    Goodness.

    What is this, a running joke? :D

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 10:03

    Twitition to keep F1 free to air http://twitition.com/98ahd

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 10:04

    But what would they care? The fans have to hit them hard, and hit them now. So far, they've done that.

    Its a public organization overseen by a trust, if you complain about wasting money they tend to pay attention.

    Lets see where all the f1 money goes...

    But if people just complain that F1 is being taken away, that's not everyone. They can easily argue that moving up North would benefit all license fee holders.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 10:04

    "Every second of every race will be live and uninterrupted on Sky Sports so no ad breaks, Tracy. We will also be showing more coverage than ever before with every race in HD, plus build-up through the week on Sky Sports News HD and on skysports.com as well as every practice and qualifying session."

    Who's Tracy?

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:04

    I think it has more to do with property and operating costs in London. I imagine once they sell the unused London properties the numbers will look different.

    Yes that is a crazy comparison. They are spending money to save more money than they are spending.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:05

    Who's Tracy?

    Thunderbirds?

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:05

    hey all. i have literally just opened my eyes, but wanted to say, sky 1 & 2 are coming to freeview (with a CAM card): http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?class=countries&subclass=0&id=4130

    Top Up TV has introduced the 'Top Up TV CAM', a credit card sized device that slots into the TV, to deliver Sky Sports 1&2 and ESPN directly to the television.

    apologies if that's already been mentioned. not sure any channels will be in HD either.

    we're going to have to move house.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 10:06

    Who's Tracy?

    And why is he/she not happening like adbreaks?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 10:07

    we're going to have to move house.

    You can get it online with skyplayer

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:07

    we're going to have to move house.

    It's long overdue. Must be weeks since the last move

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:07

    It's long overdue. Must be weeks since the last move

    :)

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 10:08

    You can get it online with skyplayer

    You may have missed the whole "being forced to buy a TV because online F1 is not working" thing.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 10:08

    we're going to have to move house.

    It's long overdue. Must be weeks since the last move

    :D

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:08

    You can get it online with skyplayer

    in HD?

    we bought a telly because i couldn't cope with watching another race online. i still cannot.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:08

    You may have missed the whole "being forced to buy a TV because online F1 is not working" thing.

    fact.

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:12

    Yes that is a crazy comparison. They are spending money to save more money than they are spending.

    And the cost of the move to Salford is £200m not £700m and the although the Crown estates estimate says it will cost £850m that is the total amount of money that will be spent in Salford, on rent and property over 20 years and doesn't take into account that the BBC will stop using all of the buildings they have in London. Hence the real number of £200m.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:12

    Okay any postives from any of this? Lets put aside cost..

    Potentially for motorsports on Sky sports you will get in 2012 onwards

    F1 (and in HD)

    Indycar

    New FIA Le Mans Championship (no idea where it'll be broadcast at present)

    FIA GT Championship

    NASCAR (and NASCAR Sprint Series)

    For me a big factor is the new FIA Le Mans championship...if it's on Sky it'll make a big difference in my decision making process (and batering power with the gf!)

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 10:12

    From Sir Stirling Moss:

    F1 has won many new fans because of the #BBCF1 coverage the last few years, the new deal will loose those not prepared to pay

    http://twitter.com/#!/StirlingMossCom/status/96879484338311168

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:13

    Okay any postives from any of this? Lets put aside cost..

    guys, it's ok. I've sorted it. http://sidepodcast.com/post/alternatives-to-f1-in-2012

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:18

    guys, it's ok. I've sorted it. sidepodcast.com/p…ves-to-f1-in-2012

    Nice....I say we all ditch F1...watch Le Mans racing and race each other online (Gt 5, F1 2010, Forza etc)...

    As my gf just said....that extra money you want to spend is also roughly the same price as your Silverstone ticket....

    Good point...I wonder if Silverstone will see a dip in ticket sales as fans weigh up their priorites

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:19

    Nice....I say we all ditch F1...watch Le Mans racing and race each other online (Gt 5, F1 2010, Forza etc)...

    Good idea. Le Mans 24hr is about the same race time as the entire F1 right? So we can get it all done and dusted in one weekend and have the rest of the year free!

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:21

    Good point...I wonder if Silverstone will see a dip in ticket sales as fans weigh up their priorites

    Maybe that is why Bernie gave them a 17 year contract. That way they are committed to pay him so it makes no odds to him if their crowd drops

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:23

    Good idea. Le Mans 24hr is about the same race time as the entire F1 right? So we can get it all done and dusted in one weekend and have the rest of the year free!

    Erm Le Mans is awesome but the rest of the series is just immense....races at Silverstone, Imola, Spa, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sebring....

    Especially coupled with the return of some big manufactuers over the next few years

    Porsche, Jaguar, Lotus, Toyota

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 10:24

    Ah, i didnt know that, I assumed you got it because #NeedMoreScreens

    Problems with bandwidth?

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:29

    Sidepodceefax is a brilliant thing Lukeh by the way

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:30

    Problems with bandwidth?

    nope. video streaming on the internet is broken. the way compression works (at least in flash), is it's tailored to cope with slow changes is motion.

    i missed every first corner of every race last year, because at the start cars wait for the lights, then 'go, go, go'. the codec settles into a gentle buffer when cars form on the grid and then takes three corners to catch up once they start moving.

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:30

    Key question... How are you supposed to have a satellite dish in a bunker?

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:30

    Key question... How are you supposed to have a satellite dish in a bunker?

    Have one up on the surface....ie cold war nuke bunker stylee

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:31

    Key question... How are you supposed to have a satellite dish in a bunker?

    ooooh.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:31

    Have one up on the surface....ie cold war nuke bunker stylee

    Yeah like in GoldenEye

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:31

    so we're agreed? We're all moving in together?

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:32

    ooooh.

    Come to think about it I don't think you can really have an areal either... So I think Mr C you are going to have to really rewite internet streaming codecs before you deal with anything else :)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:33

    Key question... How are you supposed to have a satellite dish in a bunker?

    On the end of a long cable

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:33

    Okay....do we now wish ITV or C4 had stepped up to the plate and got the rights?

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:33

    Come to think about it I don't think you can really have an areal either... So I think Mr C you are going to have to really rewite internet streaming codecs before you deal with anything else :)

    cable?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:34

    so we're agreed? We're all moving in together?

    If we can find a suitable bunker in Finland. So I guess Kathi is in charge of organising

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:34

    cable?

    Ok... Cable will work!

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:35

    If we can find a suitable bunker in Finland. So I guess Kathi is in charge of organising

    Okay get her down the estate agents and get back to us. Who's good with cables and stuff - I can see what they've got down Maplin...

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:35

    cable?

    Seems the obvious answer. Nuclear bunkers are not airtight so a few cables should not be an issue

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:35

    Ok... Cable will work!

    Actually Sky Sports 1 and 2 are on Virgin in HD.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:36

    Why Finland? Doesi t have a monopoly on subterranean habitats?

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:36

    Actually Sky Sports 1 and 2 are on Virgin in HD.

    oh actually they are all there on Virgin...

    http://shop.virginmedia.com/digital-tv/channels/sky-sports.html

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 10:36

    For me a big factor is the new FIA Le Mans championship...if it's on Sky it'll make a big difference in my decision making process (and batering power with the gf!)

    Eurosport

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 10:37

    Eurosport

    most likely

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:37

    Okay get her down the estate agents and get back to us. Who's good with cables and stuff - I can see what they've got down Maplin...

    That is MrC's department. I have seen photos of his previous house moves. I think he is stockpiling cables in case there is a world shortage

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:37

    Why Finland? Doesi t have a monopoly on subterranean habitats?

    Finnish internet

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:37

    That is MrC's department. I have seen photos of his previous house moves. I think he is stockpiling cables in case there is a world shortage

    I've heard he's more cable than man.

    At least that's what the ladies say

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:38

    Eurosport

    I would've said hopefully a few hours ago...

    But now i've heard F1's off to Sky I need some justification to splash on Sky Sports...

    I feel robbed and basically a bit of a mug at the moment.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:40

    Actually Sky Sports 1 and 2 are on Virgin in HD.

    we need to move house into a cable area!

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:41

    How much you bet that they'll put it on Sky Sports 3 just to counter that?

    Actually Sky Sports 1 and 2 are on Virgin in HD.

    we need to move house into a cable area!

    How much you bet that they'll put it on Sky Sports 3 just to counter that?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:42

    we need to move house into a cable area!

    Assuming F1 will be on one of those two channels. THere are loads of sports channels on Sky.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:45

    Bernie probably sold us out as he's short on a few bob for his new plinth made entirely of Fabergé eggs

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:45

    Assuming F1 will be on one of those two channels. THere are loads of sports channels on Sky.

    It does actually look like all of Sky Sports is now on Virgin... But I think that only sky sports 1 & 2 are also HD.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:47

    It does actually look like all of Sky Sports is now on Virgin... But I think that only sky sports 1 & 2 are also HD.

    ]

    We need that stats to compare a full package with Virgin and a sky package...taking into account Broadband, phone, HD, and Sky+ style features (pause, rewind live tv).

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 10:49

    I bet before the end of the year Bernie will agree a long term free to air deal for Italy. That should help him split FOTA and sell the sport to Murdoch/Ferrari

  • Alex Andronov29/07/2011 at 10:50

    It does actually look like all of Sky Sports is now on Virgin... But I think that only sky sports 1 & 2 are also HD.

    Apparently all 5 Sky Sports channels have an HD option on sky, but only 1 and 2 are on Virgin in HD

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:51

    We need that stats to compare a full package with Virgin and a sky package...taking into account Broadband, phone, HD, and Sky+ style features (pause, rewind live tv).

    *looks at prices*

    hoooooolllllly smokes.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:52

    hoooooolllllly smokes.

    exactly.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 10:57

    *looks at prices*

    hoooooolllllly smokes.

    Yup!

    Wild aren't they! I can just about justify the £50 I spend now on sky (Broadband, phone, Sky+, Sky HD) but to add on another £20.50 minimum per month is downright extortion....

    Plus Sky has far too many adverts (that's where Sky+ helps) and you can often play a game where you'll flip through the channels at a certain and all you can find is adverts (I sweat they sync them all up so you have to watch them)...the challenge is to find a watchable program whilst adverts on every other channel.

    Also everything is neatly packaged into hour slots...with adverts at :07past...:33 past, and :48 each hour....

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:58

    guys is there any happy news? I'm bummed out

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 10:58

    guys is there any happy news? I'm bummed out

    we got a bear!

    http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/a-new-recruit

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 10:59

    Plus Sky has far too many adverts (that's where Sky+ helps) and you can often play a game where you'll flip through the channels at a certain and all you can find is adverts (I sweat they sync them all up so you have to watch them)...the challenge is to find a watchable program whilst adverts on every other channel.

    the point of an ad is for people to see it, that may the reason for above :-)

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 10:59

    we got a bear!

    Dude. That is the best.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:00

    we got a bear!

    The panda is not going to like that

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 11:00

    The panda is not going to like that

    :)

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 11:01

    Plus Sky has far too many adverts (that's where Sky+ helps) and you can often play a game where you'll flip through the channels at a certain and all you can find is adverts (I sweat they sync them all up so you have to watch them)...the challenge is to find a watchable program whilst adverts on every other channel.

    Obviously.....but when you sync them up over 100's of channels can you not see how irksome it can be? That's why more people are turning to Sky+ style services and just whizzing through the adverts. The advertisers know this which is why you're seeing more programmes sponsored by such n such. Plus programmes are now being made with product placement inserted into the storyline....Falling Skies is a good example of that

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 11:03

    the point of an ad is for people to see it, that may the reason for above

    Also the small matter of the fact you're paying for a subscription service only to be bombarded with adverts....

    Fair game on ITV etc where it's free to air but the ad's can get annoying on sky considering you're paying to watch them!

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 11:06

    years and years ago there used to be English football on free to air TV over here. not much of it but there was some. then one day news came up that the station is dropping it. outrage outrage followed. then in the last minute a pay TV came with a deal. people had to pay but it was better than missing out ... these days the richest overseas deal Premier League has is from Hong Kong. And people not always happily but they pay ...

    so lots of angry response but at the end if the other option is no coverage at all then paid one is better than nothing. those who do not find it worth the money will not watch (same as they would not watch if the coverage disappeared altogether). those who find it worth the money will simply pay and watch and would find it better option than having no coverage at all.

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 11:23

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93457

    Am I the only one who has Chandhok in the results of FP1 one ?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 11:24

    Am I the only one who has Chandhok in the results of FP1 one ?

    So glad I'm not the only one who has copy/paste fails.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:24

    Am I the only one who has Chandhok in the results of FP1 one ?

    It definitely says CHandhok there but it was Trulli in the car

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:25

    so lots of angry response but at the end if the other option is no coverage at all then paid one is better than nothing. those who do not find it worth the money will not watch (same as they would not watch if the coverage disappeared altogether). those who find it worth the money will simply pay and watch and would find it better option than having no coverage at all.

    F1 isn't football, though. And you have a lot of passionate fans who aren't rich enough to afford it.

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 11:25

    So glad I'm not the only one who has copy/paste fails.

    this explains the tweet from Gascoine about Jarno being happy about new power steering - if someone was happy it could not be Jarno :-)

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:26

    I bet before the end of the year Bernie will agree a long term free to air deal for Italy. That should help him split FOTA and sell the sport to Murdoch/Ferrari

    Maybe, but I don't think so. Sky already shows F1 there, no?

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 11:26

    F1 isn't football, though. And you have a lot of passionate fans who aren't rich enough to afford it.

    true, but so can't BBC ...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:27

    F1 isn't football, though. And you have a lot of passionate fans who aren't rich enough to afford it.

    true, but so can't BBC ...

    But BBC isn't the one who'd lose out, it's F1. So if BBC had real issues with budget, then shouldn't FOM and FOTA have adjusted?

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 11:27

    Good article from James Allen

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/bbc-and-sky-drop-f1-broadcast-bombshell-teams-seek-answers-from-ecclestone/

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:29

    this explains the tweet from Gascoine about Jarno being happy about new power steering - if someone was happy it could not be Jarno :-)

    Chandhok in Jarno's helmet

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 11:29

    With 10 races free to air how much does that work out per race on the remaining ones?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:30

    With 10 races free to air how much does that work out per race on the remaining ones?

    Too much

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 11:30

    But BBC isn't the one who'd lose out, it's F1. So if BBC had real issues with budget, then shouldn't FOM and FOTA have adjusted?

    there could have been more to it then just the price. maybe BBC simply wanted to drop it to show they are cutting cost, no matter what price ... who knows

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:33

    there could have been more to it then just the price. maybe BBC simply wanted to drop it to show they are cutting cost, no matter what price ... who knows

    so why keep 10 races, then? and i find it hard to believe that the BBC wouldn't have kept F1 at the right price. anything is possible at the right price.

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 11:37

    so why keep 10 races, then?

    becausu it creates the illusion they cut the cost to half of what it was ...

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:37

    so why keep 10 races, then? and i find it hard to believe that the BBC wouldn't have kept F1 at the right price. anything is possible at the right price.

    Sometimes you just have to be seen to be doing the 'right thing'. The BBC is a political football.

  • F1Wolf29/07/2011 at 11:38

    Sometimes you just have to be seen to be doing the 'right thing'. The BBC is a political football.

    that is what I think this is all about ...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:38

    adamcooperf1 #F1 Just spoke to @jamesallenF1 BTW, says he doesn't want to make a UK TV comeback!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:39

    Sometimes you just have to be seen to be doing the 'right thing'. The BBC is a political football.

    that is what I think this is all about ...

    but how does a half-baked solution make anyone happy? the bbc still has to pay for the rights (which angers non-F1 fans), while fans are unhappy that not everything is on the BBC anymore.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:41

    adamcooperf1 #F1 Just spoke to @jamesallenF1 BTW, says he doesn't want to make a UK TV comeback!

    Probably the first time JA has said something 100% of the people agree with

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 11:41

    ooh dear, I lose F1 in the morning, I've now been informed of my redundancy in the noon time - what on earth is going to happen in the evening? #worstdayever

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:42

    Probably the first time JA has said something 100% of the people agree with

    :D But true.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:43

    ooh dear, I lose F1 in the morning, I've now been informed of my redundancy in the noon time - what on earth is going to happen in the evening? #worstdayever

    Go to bed and put on a tinfoil hat now.

    I have been through redundancy more than once and I know how awful it can be. Best of luck with finding something fast.

  • Stuart Taylor29/07/2011 at 11:44

    I have been through redundancy more than once and I know how awful it can be. Best of luck with finding something fast.

    F1 used to be my "something fast"

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 11:44

    adamcooperf1 #F1 Just spoke to @jamesallenF1 BTW, says he doesn't want to make a UK TV comeback!

    WOOOHOOO!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 11:44

    adamcooperf1 #F1 Just spoke to @jamesallenF1 BTW, says he doesn't want to make a UK TV comeback!

    WOOOHOOO!

    Also explains why he wasn't so diplomatic to Sky in his blog post discussing it.

  • Sidepodcast Update29/07/2011 at 11:45
  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:45

    F1 used to be my "something fast"

    :D

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 11:55

    FP2 if anyone can bear it :)

    http://sidepodcast.com/post/live-hungary-2011-free-practice-2

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 11:55

    Crofty live

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:00

    BBC saying... "It's this or no F1 at all. Take it or leave it."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/29/formula-one-coverage-bbc-sky-share

    Nice attitude.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:01

    Part of me is really angry at F1 the sport and wants it to be taken down a peg or two.

    I always used to get annoyed hearing John Hindhaugh slating the prima donna nature of F1 whilst commentating on Le Mans and other similar races..

    But part of me is really starting to agree with him now and I can't believe how so far up themselves F1 can become at times. It needs a good bringing back to earth that is not indispensible....

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:02

    BBC saying... "It's this or no F1 at all. Take it or leave it."

    Why cant they do that with Dr Who, or one of the Attic,Attic,Attic endless property shows?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:02

    Why cant they do that with Dr Who, or one of the Attic,Attic,Attic endless property shows?

    Those things have fans too.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 12:03

    Those things have fans too.

    And F1 doesn't fill 100 hours a week

  • Bert29/07/2011 at 12:03

    Those things have fans too.

    And probably don't cost as much (overall) to produce.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:03

    But part of me is really starting to agree with him now and I can't believe how so far up themselves F1 can become at times. It needs a good bringing back to earth that is not indispensible....

    Has Bernie ever cared? As long as makes money off it, not really. And his advanced age means he (quite frankly) has less of a future to be worried about.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:04

    Why cant they do that with Dr Who, or one of the Attic,Attic,Attic endless property shows?

    Saying that, I'm not hugely fussed over here as i shouldnt be watching either.

    Perhaps the competition between the BBC and sky might see some great innovations in coverage

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:05

    Those things have fans too.

    True,

    In an ideal situation they would sell some of their dramas to ITV, and use the profits to fund F1 :)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 12:05

    Has Bernie ever cared?

    Only about $$$$$$

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:05

    Perhaps the competition between the BBC and sky might see some great innovations in coverage

    What competition? BBC doesn't have the budget to compete, and are just hanging on to a reduced programme to avoid being mobbed.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:05

    I love the fact you have to pay for a TV licence before you can even consider getting Sky...

    I hope Wimbledon is lame next year...it rains all week and Murray goes out in round 1.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:06

    I hope Wimbledon is lame next year...it rains all week and Murray goes out in round 1.

    To be fair, I imagine you'd get a similar or even bigger reaction if they ever did this to Wimbledon. I wouldn't blame this one on other sports.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:07

    To be fair, I imagine you'd get a similar or even bigger reaction if they ever did this to Wimbledon. I wouldn't blame this one on other sports.

    I know....it's just the way the BBC goes mad over 1 sporting event that the country on the whole has 0 interest in for the rest of the year.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:08

    The only way out of this is if the UK sponsors get mad, and decide to help ITV get the F1 rights to keep it on free-to-air. I doubt there's enough of them, though.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:08

    I know....it's just the way the BBC goes mad over 1 sporting event that the country on the whole has 0 interest in for the rest of the year.

    There are always going to be things you like and things you don't like on the BBC, that's kind of the point of it.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:10

    There are always going to be things you like and things you don't like on the BBC, that's kind of the point of it.

    Obviously!..... being a public broadcaster and all! Doesn't mean we have to like it though!

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:10

    There are always going to be things you like and things you don't like on the BBC, that's kind of the point of it.

    True,

    It would be nice if there was a way to opt of out of it completly if nothing intrests you, but i suspect the technology to do that doesnt exist yet

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 12:11

    here's a thought, we happily pay for autosport+ and we happily pay for gp+ but we're not sure if it's worth paying to see actual f1 cars race.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:11

    Obviously!..... being a public broadcaster and all! Doesn't mean we have to like it though!

    Nope. But it also doesn't mean you have to wish bad things on Wimbledon. I quite like that too, so thanks for wishing next year to be miserable.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:11

    What will be interesting to see is what the terms of the Concorde Agreement are. If it just says someone has to show all the races on free-to-view (without mentioning that they all need to be live), then I suspect Bernie is in the clear, as BBC will be showing highlight packages of the races.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:11

    here's a thought, we happily pay for autosport+ and we happily pay for gp+ but we're not sure if it's worth paying to see actual f1 cars race.

    I'm happy to pay but it's a) a lot more money and b) a lot more awkward because I don't want Sky.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:12

    here's a thought, we happily pay for autosport+ and we happily pay for gp+ but we're not sure if it's worth paying to see actual f1 cars race.

    1. i don't buy either of the 2 above, but even if i did,

    2. it's nowhere near as expensive as the f1 coverage would become

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 12:12

    here's a thought, we happily pay for autosport+ and we happily pay for gp+ but we're not sure if it's worth paying to see actual f1 cars race.

    Interesting. Maybe because you are used to getting the races free

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 12:13

    2. it's nowhere near as expensive as the f1 coverage would become

    haven't figured out the costs yet.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:13

    haven't figured out the costs yet.

    it's going to be more expensive than what you have now, if only because you'd have to pay a fee on top of the TV license fee. and none of the estimates i've seen are looking rather cheap.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:14

    it's going to be more expensive than what you have now, if only because you'd have to pay a fee on top of the TV license fee. and none of the estimates i've seen are looking rather cheap.

    Although, no F1 means we can ditch paying the licence fee.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:14

    Nope. But it also doesn't mean you have to wish bad things on Wimbledon. I quite like that too, so thanks for wishing next year to be miserable.

    No it doens't mean i have to wish bad things on Wimbledon...but considering the BBC make a point of saying they prefer wimbledon over F1 can you not take into account my chargrin? It's not directed at you the fan...it's directed at the decision makers to see they made the wrong call.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:15

    Although, no F1 means we can ditch paying the licence fee.

    Don't you still need to have a licence fee to watch tv at home on the Net in the UK?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:15

    Although, no F1 means we can ditch paying the licence fee.

    if you choose to drop BBC and keep the commercial channels, does that mean you don't need to pay the license fee anymore even if you still use the TV?

    that said, no BBC means no Doctor Who.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 12:16

    Don't you still need to have a licence fee to watch tv at home on the Net in the UK?

    Yes but only if it islive. So iplayer etc does not require a licence

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:16

    Yes but only if it islive. So iplayer etc does not require a licence

    Oh, is that so? Interesting. All right, thanks for that.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 12:16

    that said, no BBC means no Doctor Who.

    itunes.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:17

    if you choose to drop BBC and keep the commercial channels, does that mean you don't need to pay the license fee anymore even if you still use the TV?

    To watch live TV you need a licence.

    Can watch DW via iPlayer or iTunes even!

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 12:17

    if you choose to drop BBC and keep the commercial channels, does that mean you don't need to pay the license fee anymore even if you still use the TV?

    You need a licence if you have a TV capable of receiving a signal even if you only use it to play videos on

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:17

    You need a licence if you have a TV capable of receiving a signal even if you only use it to play videos on

    is it possible for the C's to ditch the BBC license fee even if they're getting Sky?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:17

    itunes.

    Is it too late to take the TV back? ;)

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:18

    Yes but only if it islive. So iplayer etc does not require a licence

    Sweet

    I got a mate (not called dave though) who has a back door access to the entire BBC archives...any program made since 2006 (the year everything made went digital in their archives I think) is available to him. It's like an aladdins cave of programs...far too much choice.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:18

    To watch live TV you need a licence.

    Dont you need a licence to watch the bbc championship races? ;)

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:18

    Dont you need a licence to watch the bbc championship races?

    So those races won't be shown on Sky anymore?

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 12:18

    Dont you need a licence to watch the bbc championship races? ;)

    we're gonna need a tv for the olympics anyhow.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 12:19

    we're gonna need a tv for the olympics anyhow.

    Darn.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:20

    Not sure if I said this earlier, but I find it cruelly ironic that this happens exactly a day after Nick said he was getting bored of the lack of politics in F1 this year.

    His wish was Bernie's command.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:22

    Not sure if I said this earlier, but I find it cruelly ironic that this happens exactly a day after Nick said he was getting bored of the lack of politics in F1 this year.

    Lack of politics between races...

    Its good to have politics back, but why did it have to be at a race weekend?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:23

    Its good to have politics back, but why did it have to be at a race weekend?

    You asked too soon. :D

    In all honesty, though, fixing this (if at all possible) won't be the work of a moment. This will easily stretch into the summer break.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:25

    legardj: F1 insider positive about new TV deal. Still free to air - highlights complies with Concorde Agreement - with Sky to develop coverage

    i had a bad feeling this would be the case.

    that said, a highlights package would work in 1980, where the concept of live broadcast was rare and unique. now, it's virtually a requirement.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 12:27

    that said, a highlights package would work in 1980, where the concept of live broadcast was rare and unique. now, it's virtually a requirement.

    Highlights as an option is only for the most casual viewer

  • Bert29/07/2011 at 12:33

    Highlights as an option is only for the most casual viewer

    But if I put my Joe hat on, the casual viewer is what they are looking to get. They don't care about us nucking futters. They know that we will do whatever to get the info we want. The goal is to get more people, to increase the number of people, not increase the satisfaction of those people. As long as the casual user is happy with the coverage they know that everyone else will tag along.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 12:33

    that said, a highlights package would work in 1980, where the concept of live broadcast was rare and unique. now, it's virtually a requirement.

    match of the day is highlights and we watch that as casual football fans. it'll be the same for f1.

  • Bert29/07/2011 at 12:37

    How much is a Sky subscription?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:38

    match of the day is highlights and we watch that as casual football fans. it'll be the same for f1.

    Match of the day is a bit different, you cant watch multiple football matches on at once, wheras f1 is just one race

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:39

    How much is a Sky subscription?

    I think the ulimate lowest fee you could expect to pay for sky and the F1 would be £46.25

    £26 sky subscription plus £20.25 sky sports

  • Bert29/07/2011 at 12:41

    I think the ulimate lowest fee you could expect to pay for sky and the F1 would be £46.25

    Aye Carumba! I thought it would have been at most a 10-15$ pack you add on to whatever cable / satellite package. Iknow understand much better the griping going on.

    On another note, the official word is coming out that Senna is being released in the Montreal are on the 12th.... Let's see, the common cold has a gestation period of 3-5 days.. Friday off!

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:43

    On another note, the official word is coming out that Senna is being released in the Montreal are on the 12th.... Let's see, the common cold has a gestation period of 3-5 days.. Friday off!

    Another factor is you still have to pay the £145.50 'Licence fee' which funds the BBC otherwise you'll be deemed as illegally watching tv.

    This is why it's going to be a hard sell to fans.....

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:46

    Another factor is you still have to pay the £145.50 'Licence fee' which funds the BBC otherwise you'll be deemed as illegally watching tv.

    wow, didnt realise it had gotten that high!

  • James29/07/2011 at 12:48

    I know online isn't the greatest but:

    Apparently, the BBC will be able to broadcast ALL races LIVE online. Doing some digging on that

    http://twitter.com/#!/f1zone/status/96907423620665344

    whether they will is another question.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:50

    Apparently, the BBC will be able to broadcast ALL races LIVE online. Doing some digging on that

    That source looks about as reliable as a 2010 xtrac gearbox

  • Bert29/07/2011 at 12:50

    Another factor is you still have to pay the £145.50 'Licence fee' which funds the BBC otherwise you'll be deemed as illegally watching tv.

    Is that £ 145 just for the Beeb or are other free-to-air broadcasters covered by that?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:50

    That source looks about as reliable as a 2010 xtrac gearbox

    hydraulics system

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:51

    whether they will is another question.

    That's not so bad as actually that would enable me to have the ultimate multi screen setup on my plasma.......I can then hook up my laptop to the tv (HDMI connection) and run the BBC coverage stream in the middle and then all around it have live timing, twitter feeds, sidepodcast, onboard view, driver tracker, Mclaren.com etc

    how is the BBC connection watching races live? I've heard mixed thoughts

  • James29/07/2011 at 12:52

    That source looks about as reliable as a 2010 xtrac gearbox

    Heh. James Allen has been asked and said he believes that will be the case (comment 45) http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/bbc-and-sky-drop-f1-broadcast-bombshell-teams-seek-answers-from-ecclestone/

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:52

    Is that £ 145 just for the Beeb or are other free-to-air broadcasters covered by that?

    It's techincally defined as the charge to recieve a tv signal into your home in the UK....if you ring up the licence fee centre that's how they term it to you.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:52

    whether they will is another question.

    There is 0% chance that is true.

    Its just some schmuck making things up to try and to get fans to his website

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 12:53

    joe's optimistic: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/a-look-at-the-bbcsky-deal/

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 12:53

    Aye Carumba! I thought it would have been at most a 10-15$ pack you add on to whatever cable / satellite package. Iknow understand much better the griping going on.

    On another note, the official word is coming out that Senna is being released in the Montreal are on the 12th.... Let's see, the common cold has a gestation period of 3-5 days.. Friday off

    How much do you pay for your cable over there?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 12:55

    How much do you pay for your cable over there?

    10 GBP a month. Much more expensive over there, I understand.

  • James29/07/2011 at 12:55

    whether they will is another question.

    There is 0% chance that is true.

    Its just some schmuck making things up to try and to get fans to his website

    But James Allen has said he believes it to be true, so unless he's doing the same ;)

    In truth we won't know much more for the time being.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 12:57

    But James Allen has said he believes it to be true, so unless he's doing the same ;)

    James Allen doesnt have a clue.

    Are sky really going to pay a fortune for something people could watch for free on the BBC website?

    Why would the bbc put it on there website and not broadcast it?

    zero chance it will happen

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 12:58

    Got a funny text from my F1 loving mate (we all know it's lonely at times following f1) and his response was...

    So do we watch F1 because of Bernie or do we manage to watch F1 despite Bernie?!!!

  • Bert29/07/2011 at 12:59

    How much do you pay for your cable over there?

    I am on a satellite package and have an option of another satellite company and a cable company. (Shaw, Bell and Videotron, respectively).

    The basic package will run anywhere from 20-40$ and includes local stations and a couple extras. As you want other channels (BBC Canada, Nat Geo, Discovery, TSN (Eurosport), FoodTV (AKA The Oliver and Ramsay network) you can add them either individually for 2-4$ or find them in bundles (2-3-4 channels) for 6-10$. HD equivalent channels are extra. Some specialty packages (Movies, adult) are 15-20$. Currently I am at over 100$ per month, but need to clean up my list, since the recent purchase of a plasma and the realization that SD on HD blows chunks.

  • James29/07/2011 at 13:01

    James Allen doesnt have a clue.

    Don't want to be rude here but you don't either. James Allen has F1 contacts and is there at the race this weekend.

    In truth we won't know for certain until next year.

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 13:04

    10 GBP a month. Much more expensive over there, I understand.

    Thats not bad at all, what are the premium channel subs like, are they much cheaper too?

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 13:04

    I am on a satellite package and have an option of another satellite company and a cable company. (Shaw, Bell and Videotron, respectively).

    The basic package will run anywhere from 20-40$ and includes local stations and a couple extras. As you want other channels (BBC Canada, Nat Geo, Discovery, TSN (Eurosport), FoodTV (AKA The Oliver and Ramsay network) you can add them either individually for 2-4$ or find them in bundles (2-3-4 channels) for 6-10$. HD equivalent channels are extra. Some specialty packages (Movies, adult) are 15-20$. Currently I am at over 100$ per month, but need to clean up my list, since the recent purchase of a plasma and the realization that SD on HD blows chunks.

    from 20-40 for teh basic and youre paying over 100! Sounds like you've got a lot of the adult channels in!

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 13:06

    Thats not bad at all, what are the premium channel subs like, are they much cheaper too?

    The most highend package is 100 GBP for 20 extra SD channels and 6 HD ones. I don't need that though, and am happy with what I have now.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 13:10

    Just received a text saying I could be entitled to £3750 for an accident I had. Result!! I don't remember having an accident so I guess I must have had a bang on the head.:)

  • Bert29/07/2011 at 13:11

    Just received a text saying I could be entitled to £3750 for an accident I had. Result!! I don't remember having an accident so I guess I must have had a bang on the head.:)

    You were driving in the 2009 Hungarian too?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 13:13

    You were driving in the 2009 Hungarian too?

    Maybe. I don't remember

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 13:31

    A ping I had already planned but seems different with this Sky news! http://mrschristine.com/2011/07/29/friday-five-sports-i-am-starting-to-like/

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 13:45

    Results ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/hungary-2011-free-practice-2-results

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 13:51

    Afternoon from Spa folks,

    Just heard about the new TV deal - a very US TV network set up if I do say so

  • James29/07/2011 at 13:52

    In amongst all the Sky tv discussion I totally forgot it was Fernando's birthday! Was going to a guest post and everything. oops.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 13:53

    In amongst all the Sky tv discussion I totally forgot it was Fernando's birthday! Was going to a guest post and everything. oops.

    it's not too late :)

  • James29/07/2011 at 13:57

    it's not too late :)

    best get typing then I suppose ;)

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 14:02

    best get typing then I suppose ;)

    *hugs*

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 14:08

    Afternoon from Spa folks,

    *waves*

    how was the trip?

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 14:13

    *waves*

    how was the trip?

    Not bad - a bit tiring. The ol' public transport lark too a while, but it was fine. Will try and get some photo's and videos later if I can.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 14:18

    Not bad - a bit tiring. The ol' public transport lark too a while, but it was fine. Will try and get some photo's and videos later if I can.

    awesomeness sir.

  • The Boston Red Scott29/07/2011 at 15:04

    Love the fact that the BBC is doing some *HD* streaming this week. I hope you UKers get behind it

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/mobile/motorsport/formula_one/9542651.stm

    All I can hope for is live coverage ;)

    Hope you're all enjoying the racing weekend :)

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 15:04

    F1Minute ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/lewis-hamilton-leads-both-free-practice-sessions-in-hungary

  • The Boston Red Scott29/07/2011 at 15:10

    Just heard about the new TV deal - a very US TV network set up if I do say so

    Yep. That taken a lot of getting used to here. Even in the playoffs half the games are on pay tv and half on free to air. I guess it helps keep the cable tv and bars financially okay

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 15:28

    Yep. That taken a lot of getting used to here. Even in the playoffs half the games are on pay tv and half on free to air. I guess it helps keep the cable tv and bars financially okay

    Suffice to say, I don't have a TV and would struggle to afford any kind of Sky package if I did. It's going to be dodgy streams all the way sadly.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 15:38

    Don't want to be rude here but you don't either. James Allen has F1 contacts and is there at the race this weekend.

    down here even though the one tv company has the rights to it, if they're showing F1 delayed on TV they show it delayed online too. The explanation we were given was that the terms of the agreement with Bernie state that they can only show it online live if its on TV live too.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 15:39

    Just a thought: from 2009 to this year, people outside the UK spent money on VPNs and UK IP proxies. Starting next year, it will probably be the other way around, as UK people spend money (but less than a SKY fee) to get a decent pirated feed.

    Sopcast, anyone?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 15:41

    Just a thought: from 2009 to this year, people outside the UK spent money on VPNs and UK IP proxies. Starting next year, it will probably be the other way around, as UK people spend money (but less than a SKY fee) to get a decent pirated feed.

    I think i will get skyplayer for the first few races at least, and see how they do

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 15:47

    I think i will get skyplayer for the first few races at least, and see how they do

    Ooo that's made me think...

    I have Sky already and an Xbox........if you use Sky player can u get access to the sports channels? What does that cost or is it still the same?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 15:51

    I have Sky already and an Xbox........if you use Sky player can u get access to the sports channels? What does that cost or is it still the same?

    i think it cost me about 20quid a month last time i did it, as i get special rates

    i think if you have sky already you just get the channels on your tv package

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 15:52

    Sky has a painfully unhelpful website. Do I need a TV package to get Sky Player?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 15:52

    Sky has a painfully unhelpful website. Do I need a TV package to get Sky Player?

    From what I recall in earlier discussion, no.

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 15:53

    From what I recall in earlier discussion, no.

    Interesting.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 15:53

    Sky has a painfully unhelpful website. Do I need a TV package to get Sky Player?

    Nope

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 15:53

    Sky has a painfully unhelpful website. Do I need a TV package to get Sky Player?

    I believe you do.....otherwise why would many people subscribe to sky

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 15:53

    Been monitoring Jake's Twitter feed. Initially, he had a lot of statements of, well... trying to be positive about it with the fans. The outrage hasn't stopped, though, so he now just tweets articles from himself and others.

    Jake's in a tough spot right now. Barely anyone is blaming him for this, but at the same time, he can't defend the BBC too much or else he'd get flak for it.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 15:54

    From what I recall in earlier discussion, no.

    Interesting.

    A bit surprised I know myself, considering I don't even live there. :D But I think someone mentioned it earlier in passing.

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 15:54

    I believe you do.....otherwise why would many people subscribe to sky

    Uh-huh... I've no idea. That's why I'm asking

  • Eric the baker29/07/2011 at 15:55

    I believe you do.....otherwise why would many people subscribe to sky

    Because they want to support journalistic integrity? :) Isn't Sky a Murdoch Corporation?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 15:55

    I believe you do.....otherwise why would many people subscribe to sky

    Sky tv service is a lot lot better than skyplayer.

    I used to have skyplayer as the building i was in had no cable tv, and dishes were not permitted

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 15:55

    A bit surprised I know myself, considering I don't even live there. :D But I think someone mentioned it earlier in passing.

    As someone with no TV, it doesn't really matter where I live

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 15:55

    Because they want to support journalistic integrity? :) Isn't Sky a Murdoch Corporation?

    A large chunk of it his, yes.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 15:56

    Because they want to support journalistic integrity? :) Isn't Sky a Murdoch Corporation?

    A large chunk of it his, yes.

    And he nearly got all of it, too.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 15:58

    FWIW, FOM Germany race edit is up now. I like the song, but they're starting to get lazy with song choice. Second song from the same album used just 4 races ago.

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 15:59

    It probably has been said already, but Alan Parr's comments today about the deal are frankly idiotic.

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 16:00

    If ever anyone showed themselves to be out of touch with the TV viewers, he did very well today.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:00

    Interesting thought raced - had it been a split BBC/ITV deal or even a split BBC/C4 deal, you'd get nothing like this level of outrage. Unfortunately, the other commercial networks don't have much money, either. The only guy with money... is Rupert Murdoch.

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 16:01

    Unfortunately, the other commercial networks don't have much money, either. The only guy with money... is Rupert Murdoch.

    What a shame no one watches his channels...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:02

    It probably has been said already, but Adam Parr's comments today about the deal are frankly idiotic.

    Mentioned it earlier. He kinda has a point from a purely business perspective, but that's definitely not how you win friends in this SPORT. So, so, so disappointed that Frank, a guy who has racing in his blood, may actually pass the company to this man. No wonder Williams is falling down the grid, if he's the guy in charge. That said, not totally surprised - I recall there being murmurs about Parr being a very strong politician and ousting Sam Michael from the team, ensuring his middling popularity with the other employees.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:03

    Unfortunately, the other commercial networks don't have much money, either. The only guy with money... is Rupert Murdoch.

    What a shame no one watches his channels...

    In the UK, no. In the US, yes. Millions of them. American Idol for starters. Glee for another. And don't get started about Fox News...

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 16:05

    What a shame no one watches his channels...

    except for the 8.9 million households with Sky.

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 16:09

    except for the 8.9 million households with Sky.

    Have you seen the viewing figures for their biggest Premiership matches? They're woeful.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 16:10

    Have you seen the viewing figures for their biggest Premiership matches? They're woeful.

    they might not all watch sport, but millions of people aren't going to pay to watch none of the channels :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 16:11

    they might not all watch sport, but millions of people aren't going to pay to watch none of the channels :D

    Sky get away with a lot of what they do, because many of their products are simple buy ins from other networks.

    Even Match of the Day highlights late on Saturday night on BBC whips Sky Sports' figures for full matches live.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:15

    Even Match of the Day highlights late on Saturday night on BBC whips Sky Sports' figures for full matches live.

    SKY isn't a ratings-oriented station (a rarity in this day and age). They're a subscription-oriented station. Unlike most other networks, they make more money from subscriptions rather than ads. Even if the ratings are close to nil, subscribers still need to pay for their cable anyway.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 16:17

    SKY isn't a ratings-oriented station (a rarity in this day and age). They're a subscription-oriented station. Unlike most other networks, they make more money from subscriptions rather than ads. Even if the ratings are close to nil, subscribers still need to pay for their cable anyway.

    we're a bit like that, I'm full of stats and figures on our subscribers but I couldn't tell you how many people watch any of our shows because I don't know if anyone cares enough to tell us.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 16:17

    has this post from ben gallop been discussed?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html

    seems like a reasonable deal to me. am quite looking forward to what sky can bring.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 16:18

    ping for christine, as she's just wandered off: http://www.f1minute.com/news/bbc-to-share-2012-formula-one-broadcast-rights-with-sky

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 16:19

    I think this may of been better handled if Sky had just taken the whole lot and the BBC didn't cover F1....simply becuase the cost of paying for a subscription for the remaining non BBC races really ramps up. Would you pay what is effectively a minimum of £46 to watch each race?! This is why I think it's going to be a very bitter pill for consumers to swallow.

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 16:19

    Hello all, I'm glad you enjoyed my ceefax surprise :)

    Still getting my head around the news of today. Also, today I walked into Mr Blobby which is an interesting experience when you're least expecting it.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:20

    seems like a reasonable deal to me. am quite looking forward to what sky can bring.

    In the words of Adam Cooper, it "leaves a lot of questions unanswered".

    And as I mentioned to Christine earlier, "If SKY improved the F1 coverage and no one saw it, was it ever on TV?"

    Bottom-line, if Bernie really wanted to keep it on the BBC, then he should've cut its fees - enough at least to ensure ITV or C4 could afford it. A BBC/ITV split or a BBC/C4 split would've been much more palatable to the fans.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:20

    I think this may of been better handled if Sky had just taken the whole lot and the BBC didn't cover F1....simply becuase the cost of paying for a subscription for the remaining non BBC races really ramps up. Would you pay what is effectively a minimum of £46 to watch each race?! This is why I think it's going to be a very bitter pill for consumers to swallow.

    Impossible due to the Concorde Agreement. It needed to be on free-to-air in some form.

  • Superbenj29/07/2011 at 16:20

    Sky get away with a lot of what they do, because many of their products are simple buy ins from other networks.

    Even Match of the Day highlights late on Saturday night on BBC whips Sky Sports' figures for full matches live.

    However many people watch it, they obviously think it was worth paying over £300 million a year for them 7 times what the BBC paid for a years F1

    The per race/ per match figure is roughly the same so sky must assume they'll cover the costs with subscribers, F1 also attracts a pretty wealthy demographic so advertisers will want to be involved

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:21

    Hello all, I'm glad you enjoyed my ceefax surprise :)

    It's one of the few good things about today, really. Well done. :)

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 16:21

    Impossible due to the Concorde Agreement. It needed to be on free-to-air in some form.

    highlights I think is covered in the current concorde argeement....but if it's the case of always being shown live for free then Sky don't have a hope do they? ie...it doesn't stack up

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 16:21

    It's one of the few good things about today, really. Well done. :)

    I knew in advance I would have to try and keep today awesome any way possible ;)

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 16:21

    this is what bernie thinks of the sport:

    For those who can't watch Sky, they can still watch on a Sunday night, which will probably be better than watching the whole race live half the time

    and it's hard to argue against that.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 16:21

    this is what bernie thinks of the sport:

    For those who can't watch Sky, they can still watch on a Sunday night, which will probably be better than watching the whole race live half the time

    and it's hard to argue against that.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93491

  • Leigh O'Gorman29/07/2011 at 16:23

    SKY isn't a ratings-oriented station (a rarity in this day and age). They're a subscription-oriented station

    Exactly

    Would you pay what is effectively a minimum of £46 to watch each race?!

    Nope

    For those who can't watch Sky, they can still watch on a Sunday night, which will probably be better than watching the whole race live half the time

    Wow - it feels like 1979 all over again

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:23

    Bernie's meeting with the teams is done:

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93491

    "The Concorde finishes in 2012," he said. "After then there may not be one, we don't need one. We'll see.

    "But I think this is all positive, and having spoken to the teams, they think it's positive too."

    Translation: I'm paying them more, and there's nothing they can do about it because it's already signed, sealed, and delivered.

    I wonder when the next FOTA Fans Forum will be... that will be tasty.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 16:23

    this is what bernie thinks of the sport:

    For those who can't watch Sky, they can still watch on a Sunday night, which will probably be better than watching the whole race live half the time

    and it's hard to argue against that.

    So highlights is part of the Concorde agreement then....

    I'd love to know which team principals were ok with the agreement....I can see people like Adam Parr loving this as it'll generate a few more pennies for Williams etc

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:23

    For those who can't watch Sky, they can still watch on a Sunday night, which will probably be better than watching the whole race live half the time

    if they haven't been spoiled by the results yet.

    and that won't be the whole race either, I reckon.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 16:24

    and that won't be the whole race either, I reckon.

    The whole wonderful thing about watching F1 in the 21st century is being so fully immersed real time in it...highlights?...might as well buy the end of year season review

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:26

    So highlights is part of the Concorde agreement then....

    Honestly, it's a loophole. As long as all the races are on FTA in any shape or form (even highlights), then they're in the clear.

    It'll make next year's Concorde negotiations 10x more interesting, though.

    A breakaway championship on ITV? After 2009, it almost definitely won't happen, but there is an opening for the teams now if they want it.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:26

    The whole wonderful thing about watching F1 in the 21st century is being so fully immersed real time in it...highlights?...might as well buy the end of year season review

    Bingo.

  • RCC29/07/2011 at 16:27

    Sky deal went through at 5am this morning

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:28

    I wonder when the next FOTA Fans Forum will be... that will be tasty.

    Will be interesting to see FOTA's statement, too.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 16:28

    Hello all, I'm glad you enjoyed my ceefax surprise :)

    loved it :)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 16:28

    seems like a reasonable deal to me. am quite looking forward to what sky can bring.

    The BBC are paying to sell Sky subscriptions. Covering half the races is madness.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:29

    Sky deal went through at 5am this morning

    It went through last night, I think, but was announced early this morning in time for some financial thingy I'm not knowledgeable on.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:29

    The BBC are paying to sell Sky subscriptions. Covering half the races is madness.

    I wonder who came up with the math showing it's the cheapest option...

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 16:30

    BBC will cover quali and practice for their races http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 16:32

    The whole wonderful thing about watching F1 in the 21st century is being so fully immersed real time in it...highlights?...might as well buy the end of year season review

    Great point. I am going to nick that and tweet it.

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 16:33

    They should've given it to UK Gold or Dave, channels that are impossible to be angry at

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:33

    BBC will cover quali and practice for their races www.bbc.co.uk/blo…shared_betwe.html

    I think they would've been better off just showing 20 races instead of 10 FPs, qualis, and races. But that's just me...

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 16:35

    The whole wonderful thing about watching F1 in the 21st century is being so fully immersed real time in it...highlights?...might as well buy the end of year season review

    I guess it will lead to more f1 meetups to watch races in pubs in the uk which may not be a bad thing..

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 16:36

    I guess it will lead to more f1 meetups to watch races in pubs in the uk which may not be a bad thing..

    I don't reckon it'll change anything in that aspect.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:36

    I guess it will lead to more f1 meetups to watch races in pubs in the uk which may not be a bad thing..

    That's assuming the pubs can show it and it isn't clashing with the footie...

  • Eric the baker29/07/2011 at 16:37

    I guess it will lead to more f1 meetups to watch races in pubs in the uk which may not be a bad thing..

    I guess I'll just have to look into emigrating then. :)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 16:37

    I wonder who came up with the math showing it's the cheapest option...

    Bernie.

    He asked BBC what they could afford and told them they couldn't have the Rolls Royce that they were looking at but he had this old 'classic' BMW that was just in their price range. I bet the whole thing was done to draw people in and then sell Sky subscriptions. I bet BBC has the 1st two races of the season

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 16:37

    That's assuming the pubs can show it and it isn't clashing with the footie...

    The good thing is that sky control the televised football so they can minimize big games clashing

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:38

    He asked BBC what they could afford and told them they couldn't have the Rolls Royce that they were looking at but he had this old 'classic' BMW that was just in their price range. I bet the whole thing was done to draw people in and then sell Sky subscriptions. I bet BBC has the 1st two races of the season

    BBC gets to keep Race 1 (I think), Monaco, Silverstone, and the finale, plus 6 other races (I'm guessing races in the Americas and Singapore will be part of the ten). Note that it could very well be that the title is clinched... on Sky.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:39

    The good thing is that sky control the televised football so they can minimize big games clashing

    do they have a say in both the F1 and EPL scheds?

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 16:40

    do they have a say in both the F1 and EPL scheds?

    Premier League games get moved a fair bit for television advantage. I don't think any races will be changed because of Sky though.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 16:40

    do they have a say in both the F1 and EPL scheds?

    The EPL games they have rights to,

    ESPN have some, but not so many

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 16:41

    Premier League games get moved a fair bit for television advantage. I don't think any races will be changed because of Sky though.

    it'd be a good way to outrage the rest of the world :D

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:42

    Premier League games get moved a fair bit for television advantage. I don't think any races will be changed because of Sky though.

    it'd be a good way to outrage the rest of the world :D

    Get the football fans mad at the F1 fans - sounds like a great idea! :D

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 16:42

    BBC gets to keep Race 1 (I think), Monaco, Silverstone, and the finale, plus 6 other races (I'm guessing races in the Americas and Singapore will be part of the ten). Note that it could very well be that the title is clinched... on Sky.

    Sky will want to keep some big races for themselves.

    If its decided by bernie, I'm guessing the high paying rounds will be on the BBC (maximize exposure for their race fee) the big races like spa/monza will be on sky so people subscribe to it and justify what they are paying for the rights

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:43

    Sky will want to keep some big races for themselves.

    Adam C mentioned all of those except Race 1 as races the BBC will keep.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 16:46

    Anyway, if james allen is to be believed, all the races will be on the bbc website, so nothing to worry about :P

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 16:47

    I think you should change the site's slogan to

    SIDEPODCAST

    All for F1, and F1 for those that can afford it half the time

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 16:47

    All for F1, and F1 for those that can afford it half the time

    hehe.

  • rg in italy29/07/2011 at 16:47

    Get the football fans mad at the F1 fans - sounds like a great idea! :D

    That sounds like the point where I implode in on myself.

    They have 4 channels, there's been clashes before. It won't affect owt.

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 16:48

    Anyway, if james allen is to be believed, all the races will be on the bbc website, so nothing to worry about :P

    as i said before, they're not allowed to do that here, how can we be sure its different over there?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:49

    Anyway, if james allen is to be believed, all the races will be on the bbc website, so nothing to worry about :P

    in video form? they'll probably have the 5Live audio, but I doubt they'll have the full races there for those not in the Lucky 10 - you may just get highlights for those/

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 16:49

    Anyway, if james allen is to be believed, all the races will be on the bbc website, so nothing to worry about :P

    as i said before, they're not allowed to do that here, how can we be sure its different over there?

    there is no chance it would happen,

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 16:53

    Is it time to send Bernie to the old people's home?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:53

    Looks like the FOTA, FOM, and BBC filters will get a severe battering today. I wonder how many of them are filtered straight to trash...

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:53

    Looks like the FOTA, FOM, and BBC filters will get a severe battering today. I wonder how many of them are filtered straight to trash...

    *email filters

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 16:55

    ive sent an email to Fota and the BBC

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 16:56

    I'm confused again now. Whitmarsh:

    "The BBC will show every grand prix in full, half of them live and half of them deferred, so free-to-air is available to everyone."

    The non-races on the BBC are just highlights are they not? First I've heard of full races being shown but not being live.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 16:57

    The non-races on the BBC are just highlights are they not? First I've heard of full races being shown but not being live.

    bernie mentioned it about 30 mins ago, that no deal is finalised.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 16:58

    The non-races on the BBC are just highlights are they not? First I've heard of full races being shown but not being live.

    All day they have had ten live races and ten highlights

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:59

    The non-races on the BBC are just highlights are they not? First I've heard of full races being shown but not being live.

    Looks like something changed in the plans, then. It's consistent with what Bernie and JA have been saying.

    But, seriously? Tape-delayed? In this day and age? MotoGP manage it on Eurosport because their commentary team has a cult following (Toby and Julian). If, as I suspect, Brundle moves to Sky, then the BBC's hook is badly weakened.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 16:59

    bernie mentioned it about 30 mins ago, that no deal is finalised.

    I missed that. We have had all this nonsense and everything is still up for grabs? I wonder how we can influence the outcome

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 16:59

    bernie mentioned it about 30 mins ago, that no deal is finalised.

    Given the fans' reaction, this has to be the worst-case scenario now, surely?

  • Sidepodcast Classics29/07/2011 at 17:00

    Enjoy a little something from the sidepodcast.com back catalogue.

    - Daily: 28th January 2010

    Originally published 28/01/2010

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 17:00

    The non-races on the BBC are just highlights are they not? First I've heard of full races being shown but not being live.

    I read somewhere they had the rights to the wholereplay but would likely just show highlights at prime time, cant remember where

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:01

    Given the fans' reaction, this has to be the worst-case scenario now, surely?

    it seems pointless running a race tape delayed. highlights have a purpose, a late race is of no interest to anyone.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:01

    I missed that. We have had all this nonsense and everything is still up for grabs? I wonder how we can influence the outcome

    what the heck was in that contract, then?

    anyway, if the 10-race deal is already fixed, the best that can be done is to minimize the tape delay and ensure that everything the BBC does now is kept (post-race Forum, etc.), but I doubt it.

    that said... I wonder what happens if Top Gear on BBC2 clashes with F1 on BBC1.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:02

    I missed that. We have had all this nonsense and everything is still up for grabs? I wonder how we can influence the outcome

    not up for grabs. just that only the key bits are in place. e.g. sky/bbc.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:02

    it seems pointless running a race tape delayed. highlights have a purpose, a late race is of no interest to anyone.

    ...unless they haven't seen it yet. that would be the argument for it.

    on the other hand, in this day and age, you're telling me people will avoid spoilers? the highlights will get good ratings if Lewis and Jenson win. if they don't... not so much.

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 17:03

    If the BBC kept the rights to show all races online, that would be incredible. One off cost of a HDMI to minidisplayport cable.

    I can see it happening though, because BBC were on about trialing a HD service online this weekend

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 17:06

    Also I hate watching things later, it removes all emotion for me. Even if i record a race and dont know whats happened it just feels like a dud.

    So watching a delayed race wont be an option for me

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:07

    If the BBC kept the rights to show all races online, that would be incredible. One off cost of a HDMI to minidisplayport cable.

    it'll be on iPlayer, if ever, so it'll definitely be delayed.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:10

    Going off on a tangent, they may not need Natalie after this year, after all. Assuming Sky get their own girl, Lee moves over to 5Live...

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:10

    Also I hate watching things later, it removes all emotion for me. Even if i record a race and dont know whats happened it just feels like a dud.

    No live timing etc

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:11

    Going off on a tangent, they may not need Natalie after this year, after all. Assuming Sky get their own girl, Lee moves over to 5Live...

    why would lee move to 5live?

  • Amy29/07/2011 at 17:11

    all the assumptions hurt my brain :D

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:12

    Going off on a tangent, they may not need Natalie after this year, after all. Assuming Sky get their own girl, Lee moves over to 5Live...

    why would lee move to 5live?

    oh yeah, the BBC still has a production team. :D ignore me. makes you wonder how the heck they're saving if they're still sending people to the races.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 17:13

    all the assumptions hurt my brain :D

    Do you know thats whats hurting your brain for sure, or is that an assumption?

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:13

    oh yeah, the BBC still has a production team. :D ignore me. makes you wonder how the heck they're saving if they're still sending people to the races.

    usp employ their own people, they operate on a different contract. no idea why though.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:14

    usp employ their own people, they operate on a different contract. no idea why though.

    whatever, it means they don't get affected then crazy things like this happen.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:19

    I didn't get the chance to say the people who won £160 million on the Euromillions a couple of weeks ago live in the same town as my mother. Unfortunately she doesn't know them. THey were plastered all over the papers saying they were not moving house and they were keeping their little cars. Since then the local post office has received sacks of begging letters. There are reporters wandering round the town trying to dig up dirt on them. Their house has a mob of reporters hanging around outside it and they have disappeared to Spain to get away from it all. So if you have tonight's winning ticket don't take the publicity.

  • James29/07/2011 at 17:27

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/fernando-alonso-turns-30

    been a while since I could do that :)

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 17:29

    been a while since I could do that :)

    Wooo!

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:29

    Ping: sidepodcast.com/p…o-alonso-turns-30

    been a while since I could do that :)

    *hugs*

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:30

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93494

    Whitmarsh's statement. Key points:

    "Bernie assured me, and I asked him several times, the deferred coverage will not be highlights, it will be a full race."

    "I can understand why," said Whitmarsh. "Based on what I've heard there won't be a premium for watching Formula 1 on Sky, so it sounds like it's good news rather than bad."

    The former we've already discussed, the latter... how the heck does THAT work?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 17:30

    Looking at skys current f1 pundits....

    Tony Jardine http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,21065_7064408,00.html

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 17:31

    Looking at skys current f1 pundits....

    Tony Jardine www.skysports.com…5_7064408,00.html

    Tony does a lot of motorsport stuff on Sky, so it would make sense. I would welcome him, good old Tony :)

    Anyone considered Crofty's links to sky considering they take him on to do the Goodwood stuff?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:31

    Anyone considered Crofty's links to sky considering they take him on to do the Goodwood stuff?

    He'll stay at 5Live, I think, so I doubt it.

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 17:32

    He'll stay at 5Live, I think, so I doubt it.

    Me too without a doubt, but it just made me wonder earlier.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:33

    He'll stay at 5Live, I think, so I doubt it.

    what? over lead commentator duties? i'd go to sky.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:33

    Well, what have we learned today? Mr C already said this before, but today is a stark illustration that FOTA has no real power in F1, as they are totally dependent on the money from FOM. So what FOM wants, FOM gets.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:33

    Good evening. No breakout thread for the biggest news story of the week?

    At least, for UK viewers anyway

  • James29/07/2011 at 17:34

    Wooo!

    Worn out now, hadn't realised he'd done so much over the past 10 years.

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 17:34

    what? over lead commentator duties? i'd go to sky.

    I think Sky will pay a lot to bring DC and brundle over for legitimacy.

    I could see crofty doing BBC TV with ant, but they may just opt to take the sky commentary

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:34

    Well, what have we learned today? Mr C already said this before, but today is a stark illustration that FOTA has no real power in F1, as they are totally dependent on the money from FOM. So what FOM wants, FOM gets.

    fota are a waste of time, energy and space. it's just that no-one has told them.

    fota need better friends.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:35

    fota are a waste of time, energy and space. it's just that no-one has told them.

    It's a mouth & trousers scenario

    All of one, none of the other

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:35

    I think Sky will pay a lot to bring DC and brundle over for legitimacy.

    if you say so.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:35

    At least, for UK viewers anyway

    This now means that F1 is now shown in most major markets by NewsCorp. SPEED/FOX in the US, ESPN Star Sports in Asia, ten/one HD in Australia, and now, the UK joins Germany and Italy under the Sky banner. The only major markets left outside Murdoch's control are Brazil and Spain.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:36

    fota are a waste of time, energy and space. it's just that no-one has told them.

    as christine said this morning: http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-29th-july-2011/comments#comment-1146394

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:36

    I think Sky will pay a lot to bring DC and brundle over for legitimacy.

    if you say so.

    now's a good time to talk to Brundle - annoyed and easily suggestible.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 17:37

    Good evening. No breakout thread for the biggest news story of the week?

    I was in two minds about it earlier. We can't move comments anymore, and most of what can be said has already been said.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:38

    I think Sky will pay a lot to bring DC and brundle over for legitimacy.

    I'm just getting into the details but have the BBC announced that Meestah Brundol & DC won't be around next year?

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 17:38

    I think Sky will pay a lot to bring DC and brundle over for legitimacy.

    if you say so.

    Why not?

    brundle used to work for the times so im sure they have his phone number :)

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:38

    This now means that F1 is now shown in most major markets by NewsCorp. SPEED/FOX in the US, ESPN Star Sports in Asia, ten/one HD in Australia, and now, the UK joins Germany and Italy under the Sky banner. The only major markets left outside Murdoch's control are Brazil and Spain.

    That is bad, bad news

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:38

    Why not?

    His own credibilty, for one

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:39

    This now means that F1 is now shown in most major markets by NewsCorp. SPEED/FOX in the US, ESPN Star Sports in Asia, ten/one HD in Australia, and now, the UK joins Germany and Italy under the Sky banner. The only major markets left outside Murdoch's control are Brazil and Spain.

    That is bad, bad news

    What's the logical next step? Buying the rights outright. Today is a stark reminder that the NewsCorp/Exor bid to take over F1 is not dead in the water just yet.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:40

    The former we've already discussed, the latter... how the heck does THAT work?

    Seems like someone needs to be spammed

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:40

    Why not?

    His own credibilty, for one

    No love lost between him and the Beeb now, though.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:40

    The former we've already discussed, the latter... how the heck does THAT work?

    Seems like someone needs to be spammed

    I'm sure he has a strong email filter for people like us...

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:41

    This now means that F1 is now shown in most major markets by NewsCorp. SPEED/FOX in the US, ESPN Star Sports in Asia, ten/one HD in Australia, and now, the UK joins Germany and Italy under the Sky banner. The only major markets left outside Murdoch's control are Brazil and Spain.

    And since Murdoch and Ferrari are supposed to be buying CVC's package it all wraps up neatly

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 17:42

    This now means that F1 is now shown in most major markets by NewsCorp. SPEED/FOX in the US, ESPN Star Sports in Asia, ten/one HD in Australia, and now, the UK joins Germany and Italy under the Sky banner. The only major markets left outside Murdoch's control are Brazil and Spain.

    ten/one are not news corp.

    will be interesting to see if the coverage overlaps at all

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:42

    No love lost between him and the Beeb now, though.

    But working for Sky is quite a large step to penning a few words for The Times. May as well sell his soul completely and become an X Factor judge in the off season

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:43

    have created a personal twitter account for non-f1 stuff: https://twitter.com/betterthan

    meaning @sidepodcast will mostly free of coding related tweets from now on.

    feel free to follow, but you may get bored of xcode complaints and love for node.js.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:43

    ten/one are not news corp.

    true. they're just run by a murdoch who left news corp. way too convenient.

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 17:43

    The former we've already discussed, the latter... how the heck does THAT work?

    I wonder if he means that it is included in the normal Sky Sports channels rather than having to pay extra like for boxing

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:43

    have created a personal twitter account for non-f1 stuff: https://twitter.com/betterthan

    is this the name of your new project, then? ;)

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 17:44

    have created a personal twitter account for non-f1 stuff: https://twitter.com/betterthan

    yaaaaay

  • Sidepodcast Update29/07/2011 at 17:45
  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:45

    I wonder if he means that it is included in the normal Sky Sports channels rather than having to pay extra like for boxing

    One's a subscription channel, the other is pay per view [by event]

    Neither are free

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 17:45

    have created a personal twitter account for non-f1 stuff: https://twitter.com/betterthan

    I like the way that on Twitter it says "betterthan Mr C" above the tweets. Seems like a paradox to me.

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:46

    I like the way that on Twitter it says "betterthan Mr C" above the tweets. Seems like a paradox to me.

    :)

    :)

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 17:47

    is this the name of your new project, then? ;)

    nope. it's for cleaning up the @sidepodcast feed, so that it's not full of final cut references.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:48

    nope. it's for cleaning up the @sidepodcast feed, so that it's not full of final cut references.

    all right. just an interesting choice of name, is all. :D

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:49

    all right. just an interesting choice of name, is all. :D

    Was better than inspired by Christine's smarter than?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:49

    fota are a waste of time, energy and space. it's just that no-one has told them.

    as christine said this morning: sidepodcast.com/p…s#comment-1146394

    Which may also be why Ross turned down the nomination to be the next FOTA Chairman - he knows it's a fool's errand.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 17:51

    Was better than inspired by Christine's smarter than?

    I think it came first, but they're not related.

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 17:51

    One's a subscription channel, the other is pay per view [by event]

    Neither are free

    He didn't say it would be free, he said there wouldn't be a premium for watching it on Sky. It depends on whether he meant compared to normal Sky subscription or compared to what we have now. Since you cannot watch Sky for free, it must be the former in my opinion.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:54

    He didn't say it would be free, he said there wouldn't be a premium for watching it on Sky. It depends on whether he meant compared to normal Sky subscription or compared to what we have now. Since you cannot watch Sky for free, it must be the former in my opinion.

    Sounds like a cop out, well worded statement.

    Satellite & Cable viewers all have Sky 1 included in their basic package

    Sky Sports are a premium package that demand more fees. The public know the difference. I am so disgusted with this

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:54

    Can someone check what the message next to comment 287 says. Most comments that have not been published have a message saying they have been removed. Mine says that it is having special consideration. I am not sure if I am really special or they just don't tell people they have been removed to avoid spam

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/sporteditors/2011/07/f1_coverage_to_be_shared_betwe.html

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:55

    I think it came first, but they're not related.

    I thought you two may be competing

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:55

    Sky Sports are a premium package that demand more fees. The public know the difference. I am so disgusted with this

    Unless they're showing F1 on Sky 1?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 17:56

    Unless they're showing F1 on Sky 1?

    No chance. If Rupert is giving Bernie lots of money it is because he is making more

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 17:57

    Can someone check what the message next to comment 287 says. Most comments that have not been published have a message saying they have been removed. Mine says that it is having special consideration. I am not sure if I am really special or they just don't tell people they have been removed to avoid spam

    It says This comment has been referred for further consideration.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:57

    Unless they're showing F1 on Sky 1?

    Half the Formula 1 calendar will be taken off free-to-air television in the United Kingdom from 2012 as part of a new share deal between Sky Sports and the BBC.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93447

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:57

    Unless they're showing F1 on Sky 1?

    No chance. If Rupert is giving Bernie lots of money it is because he is making more

    So you think Whitmarsh made a cop-out statement, then?

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 17:58

    It says This comment has been referred for further consideration.

    I clicked on Explain and I think this is the relevant bit (I think)

    Sometimes, a comment may be referred for further investigation to a supervisor, host, editor or the Central Communities Team, who are responsible for moderation across all BBC services. Your post will be hidden while a decision is pending and the time taken to make this decision will depend on the investigation necessary.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 17:59

    Half the Formula 1 calendar will be taken off free-to-air television in the United Kingdom from 2012 as part of a new share deal between Sky Sports and the BBC.

    Then again, that statement isn't totally accurate now.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 17:59

    Then again, that statement isn't totally accurate now.

    Link?

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 17:59

    Can someone check what the message next to comment 287 says. Most comments that have not been published have a message saying they have been removed. Mine says that it is having special consideration. I am not sure if I am really special or they just don't tell people they have been removed to avoid spam

    I don't think it has been removed because other comments say

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:00

    Then again, that statement isn't totally accurate now.

    Link?

    Whitmarsh's statement earlier. Half of the F1 calendar will still be on free-to-air; it'll just be delayed.

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:02

    The most important question amidst all this: where does Ted go?

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 18:03

    The most important question amidst all this: where does Ted go?

    Ted goes where Ted wants. He's Ted, damnit! :)

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:03

    Ted goes where Ted wants. He's Ted, damnit! :)

    But where DOES he want to go? :D

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:04

    It says This comment has been referred for further consideration.

    It said special earlier. It's like I have been downgraded. I have no idea how I could have upset them. OOPS

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:04

    So you think Whitmarsh made a cop-out statement, then?

    Yes

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:04

    It said special earlier. It's like I have been downgraded. I have no idea how I could have upset them. OOPS

    What did you say anyway?

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:05

    I clicked on Explain and I think this is the relevant bit (I think)

    I did too. I don't think I said anything controversial. Unless it was about the bit where I suggested that the BBC spending money to sell Sky subscriptions was insane

  • Janna29/07/2011 at 18:06

    I think we will have to see over the weekend what other information is issued by BBC/Sky. It's always difficult when news breaks because we don't have every piece of information we need. I know I can't afford Sky Sports so I'm interested in what the BBC are going to be showing. I hope they're going to go into more detail tomorrow and Bernie is on the preview show on 5 Live tonight too. I live in hope.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:06

    What did you say anyway?

    I can't remember most of it. Just an objection to them saying that they are sharing the coverage with Sky when Sky has 100%. The BBC has never really grasped the English language

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:07

    I can't remember most of it. Just an objection to them saying that they are sharing the coverage with Sky when Sky has 100%. The BBC has never really grasped the English language

    The BBC has 50%, but Sky has 100%. It doesn't quite add up, does it?

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:08

    I think we will have to see over the weekend what other information is issued by BBC/Sky. It's always difficult when news breaks because we don't have every piece of information we need. I know I can't afford Sky Sports so I'm interested in what the BBC are going to be showing. I hope they're going to go into more detail tomorrow and Bernie is on the preview show on 5 Live tonight too. I live in hope.

    Bernie will spin and sell. So don't expect too many new details there.

  • jpancoast29/07/2011 at 18:10

    Half the Formula 1 calendar will be taken off free-to-air television in the United Kingdom from 2012 as part of a new share deal between Sky Sports and the BBC.

    Well, that blows for you guys in the UK.

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 18:12

    This is mostly for Bassano and quite a stream of consciousness, so nobody shout at me please. Sky ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/bbc-reach-for-the-sky

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:12

    The BBC has 50%, but Sky has 100%. It doesn't quite add up, does it?

    It's not sharing. Sharing is I have some and you have some. This is more like I have a shiny new TV but you can watch if you behave and pay

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:16

    It's just sad that a milestone weekend (Alonso's 30th birthday, Rosberg's 100th GP, Button's 200th GP) will be overshadowed by a big black cloud of selfishness from FOM and the BBC. What a shame.

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 18:16

    God, it sounds like we're living in the US with Speed Tv doesnt it

  • Journeyer29/07/2011 at 18:18

    God, it sounds like we're living in the US with Speed Tv doesnt it

    Owned by the same guy, too.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:18

    Whitmarsh's statement earlier. Half of the F1 calendar will still be on free-to-air; it'll just be delayed.

    May as well be cricket then. An appeasing statement attempt

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:19

    Does Timo get cute puppy points?

    http://yfrog.com/17nu4z

  • Kai29/07/2011 at 18:19

    Owned by the same guy, too.

    And I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 18:20

    Also, i'm sure most BBC Blogs arent pre moderated for all comments. They must have been expecting some backlash

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:20

    This is mostly for Bassano and quite a stream of consciousness, so nobody shout at me please. Sky ping: sidepodcast.com/p…reach-for-the-sky

    Thanks Christeine, just thought it made more sense and the story may not be as key to non-UK viewers

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:21

    Also, i'm sure most BBC Blogs arent pre moderated for all comments. They must have been expecting some backlash

    There are a lot of comments removed from the one I commented on

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:33

    NASA have a new cool picturey thing for the iPad

    http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/nasaviz/

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:38

    Damn! Now my Magners is almost frozen cos I left it in the freezer to chill for too long. Silly phone calls

    What kind of mad Friday is this!

  • Turkey Machine29/07/2011 at 18:39

    Damn! Now my Magners is almost frozen cos I left it in the freezer to chill for too long. Silly phone calls

    Student instinct says "put in the microwave" but that's a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD idea! :D

    Just keep running cold water over it until some of the ice melts. :)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:40

    Damn! Now my Magners is almost frozen cos I left it in the freezer to chill for too long. Silly phone calls

    I have exploded Coke cans doing that before. They make quite a bang when they let go

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:41

    Just keep running cold water over it until some of the ice melts. :)

    It's very nearly a slush puppy but there's enough liquid to poke a spoon in the neck to hold back the slush and pour

    Luckily, the others are ok. As is the wine [phew for back-up]

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 18:41

    It's very nearly a slush puppy but there's enough liquid to poke a spoon in the neck to hold back the slush and pour

    Do like Bernard would do, smash the glass off and treat it as a lolly.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:42

    Do like Bernard would do, smash the glass off and treat it as a lolly.

    Bernard? Cribbins?

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 18:42

    Bernard? Cribbins?

    Black Books.

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:42

    Do like Bernard would do, smash the glass off and treat it as a lolly.

    But all the alcohol will be in the liquid bit. By freezing most of it he is concentrating the alcohol

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:43

    Black Books.

    Ahhh, yes of course :lol: Love that show

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 18:43

    Black Books.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZIWuMoWlCo

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 18:43

    Black Books.

    I remember Black Books but I don't remember anything about it

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:44

    But all the alcohol will be in the liquid bit. By freezing most of it he is concentrating the alcohol

    It's a solution, if onlyit was as easy and as tasty as that

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 18:44

    I remember Black Books but I don't remember anything about it

    I think E4 or Dave were repeating it recently

  • Turkey Machine29/07/2011 at 18:47
  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 18:50

    Do like Bernard would do, smash the glass off and treat it as a lolly.

    This is my favourite reference of the day. Kudos to you, christine :)

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 18:51

    This is my favourite reference of the day. Kudos to you, christine :)

    And this includes walking into mr Blobby at work today so it's a fair achievement

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 18:51

    This is my favourite reference of the day. Kudos to you, christine :)

    I'm not good at comedy references, but sometimes I get it right :)

  • Christine29/07/2011 at 18:51

    And this includes walking into mr Blobby at work today so it's a fair achievement

    Was Noel Edmonds there too?

  • Lukeh29/07/2011 at 18:52

    Was Noel Edmonds there too?

    He was not. Apparently there was a charity event in another part of the building, some even whispered it was just a man in a suit from a fancy dress shop, but no. I know it was the real Mr Blobby really.

  • Cornish F1 Fan29/07/2011 at 19:26

    Get an Astra Satellite, watch it in German, not HSD though

  • Cornish F1 Fan29/07/2011 at 19:34

    i think the big concern will be losing the casual fan. After the Canadian GP everyone at my work were talking about it, which in 20 years of following f1 fanatically has never happened before. It wont really be the same saying "oh did you hear about that great overtaking manouver on the radio?"

  • Alison29/07/2011 at 19:37

    Lukeh, that is the most immense picture I think I may ever have seen. RIP teletext.

  • Joe R29/07/2011 at 19:52

    Oooh Cornish F1 Fan!? where abouts in Cornwall?

  • Mr C29/07/2011 at 20:04

    time to call it a day. thanks for all the comments today, i guess we shoulda waited a few days before blogging about the daily post changes - didn't expect the whole of f1 to be turned on its head in the interim.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:04

    time to call it a day. thanks for all the comments today, i guess we shoulda waited a few days before blogging about the daily post changes - didn't expect the whole of f1 to be turned on its head in the interim.

    Who knew? ;)

    See ya guys, enjoy your evening

  • Nick (@Twiger)29/07/2011 at 20:08

    time to call it a day. thanks for all the comments today, i guess we shoulda waited a few days before blogging about the daily post changes - didn't expect the whole of f1 to be turned on its head in the interim.

    Cheers!

    hope the sky works out cheaper than it looks now!

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 20:08

    time to call it a day. thanks for all the comments today, i guess we shoulda waited a few days before blogging about the daily post changes - didn't expect the whole of f1 to be turned on its head in the interim.

    Nice of Bernie to generate a few comments

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:10

    Back to today's F1, how was FP1&2 earlier? Was thinking about full iPlayer replay or highlights

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 20:11

    Back to today's F1, how was FP1&2 earlier? Was thinking about full iPlayer replay or highlights

    DULL

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:12

    DULL

    Highlights it is then. Thanks

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 20:12

    Back to today's F1, how was FP1&2 earlier? Was thinking about full iPlayer replay or highlights

    The end of FP2 is interesting to listen to Crofty Ant and Karun analysing race pace vs quali pace of the top three cars

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:13

    The end of FP2 is interesting to listen to Crofty Ant and Karun analysing race pace vs quali pace of the top three cars

    I might dig that out then after the snippets

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 20:15

    I might dig that out then after the snippets

    And it is worth trying to find Lewis trying to go round the outside of Buemi? at the last corner.He is so on it now that going round the outside of someone on a fast lap on the marbles is doable in his head. Almost did it too.

  • Alison29/07/2011 at 20:16

    And it is worth trying to find Lewis trying to go round the outside of Buemi? at the last corner.He is so on it now that going round the outside of someone on a fast lap on the marbles is doable in his head. Almost did it too.

    Probably practicing for the race ;)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 20:18

    Probably practicing for the race ;)

    That's what Crofty said. Whitmarsh didn't know whether to grin or panic

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:18

    And it is worth trying to find Lewis trying to go round the outside of Buemi? at the last corner.He is so on it now that going round the outside of someone on a fast lap on the marbles is doable in his head. Almost did it too.

    I like his mentality at the moment. He seems to have taken stock and thought, go for it and try not to take out the field

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:20

    I think they are using an intern to narrate the 2 min highlights

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:21

    And it is worth trying to find Lewis trying to go round the outside of Buemi? at the last corner.He is so on it now that going round the outside of someone on a fast lap on the marbles is doable in his head. Almost did it too.

    Impressive

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14343778.stm

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 20:22

    I like his mentality at the moment. He seems to have taken stock and thought, go for it and try not to take out the field

    I think the only difference is the car is better so he doesn't need to try to carry it. It's like Gilles Villeneuve. When he had a good car he was very smooth but people remember him dragging unwilling, incapable cars into places they had no right to be.

  • Alison29/07/2011 at 20:28

    :O:

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:28

    :O:

    Is that a Smartie on wheels?

  • Alison29/07/2011 at 20:29

    Is that a Smartie on wheels?

    I was trying to work out how that surprised smily face happened!!

  • Jordan F129/07/2011 at 20:38

    Oh, by way. It is now 98 degrees F or 37 degrees C in Austin. That is air temperature. Not track temperature. With the Humidex the temperuatre goes up to 103 F or 39 C. So at least we can say that at least it is a dry heat but still, the air temperature is higher than a normal person's body temperature, so you are already overheating doing nothing. (Like sitting on a bench) Nor is this an uncommon temperature for Austin. You can get temps into the 100's F easily in Texas during the summer months.

    So when the the FIA says that they are moving the US GP into a month where they can have cooler temperatures, I would tend to believe them.

    The guy who makes more money than Bernie at Austin will be the guy selling bottle water....

  • Turkey Machine29/07/2011 at 20:42

    Oh, by way. It is now 98 degrees F or 37 degrees C in Austin. That is air temperature. Not track temperature. With the Humidex the temperuatre goes up to 103 F or 39 C. So at least we can say that at least it is a dry heat but still, the air temperature is higher than a normal person's body temperature, so you are already overheating doing nothing. (Like sitting on a bench) Nor is this an uncommon temperature for Austin. You can get temps into the 100's F easily in Texas during the summer months.

    Don't forget that the US is experiencing an abnormally hot and dry summer this year for that region, and across the south of the country. So good idea for 2011 may not be such a good idea for 2012.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:42

    Don't forget that the US is experiencing an abnormally hot and dry summer this year for that region, and across the south of the country. So good idea for 2011 may not be such a good idea for 2012.

    Texas in the summer was never going to be a good idea

  • Turkey Machine29/07/2011 at 20:44

    Texas in the summer was never going to be a good idea

    Point.

    Remind me why Valencia's still on next year's calendar? *bemused look as Turkey is practically dropped*

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:44

    Remind me why Valencia's still on next year's calendar? *bemused look as Turkey is practically dropped*

    Maths. Turkey has less money than Spain

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 20:44

    Maths. Turkey has less money than Spain

    And less spectators

  • Jordan F129/07/2011 at 20:53

    Turkey Machine: 29/07/2011 at 21:42:00Oh, by way. It is now 98 degrees F or 37 degrees C in Austin. That is air temperature. Not track temperature. With the Humidex the temperuatre goes up to 103 F or 39 C. So at least we can say that at least it is a dry heat but still, the air temperature is higher than a normal person's body temperature, so you are already overheating doing nothing. (Like sitting on a bench) Nor is this an uncommon temperature for Austin. You can get temps into the 100's F easily in Texas during the summer months.

    Don't forget that the US is experiencing an abnormally hot and dry summer this year for that region, and across the south of the country. So good idea for 2011 may not be such a good idea for 2012.

    That may be the case in terms of length ==> May was hot, June was hot, but now we into July and August. Sorry but I am not too surprized of seeing high 30's and 40's degrees C on the picture of the weather map of the USA Today newspaper for the State of Texas. I do remember watching the temperature rise for 97 F to 104 F while waiting for the food that we orderred to be served at a restuarant in San Antonio, and this was back in the late 80's or early 90's in the month of August, as I was finished High School.

  • Turkey Machine29/07/2011 at 20:54

    Maths. Turkey has less money than Spain

    I'm sure I read somewhere that the Valencia promoter was essentially bust? Wasn't that Joe's blog?

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 21:00

    I'm sure I read somewhere that the Valencia promoter was essentially bust? Wasn't that Joe's blog?

    Didn't Bernie bail out the Turkish deal? No recovery, no Bernie

  • Emily29/07/2011 at 21:10

    *delurks for a moment*

    Hello everyone. :)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 21:11

    *delurks for a moment*

    Hello everyone. :)

    I delurked for a moment 3 years ago and I am trapped here.

    Be careful :D

  • Turkey Machine29/07/2011 at 21:12

    I delurked for a moment 3 years ago and I am trapped here.

    We have cookies y'know. ;)

  • Emily29/07/2011 at 21:12

    I delurked for a moment 3 years ago and I am trapped here.

    I pop in and out, but I don't usually post that much.

    We have cookies y'know. ;)

    I've seen the cookies that you bake, and I want some! *whimpers*

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 21:14

    I pop in and out, but I don't usually post that much.

    Everyone starts off like that

  • Emily29/07/2011 at 21:15

    Everyone starts off like that

    I'm also stuck in the US (for now) so can't watch 90% of the races live...which sucks, but is do-able.

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 21:16

    Bill Bailey being exceptionally good on the Rob Brydon show. Worth an iPlay visit later

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 21:16

    I'm also stuck in the US (for now) so can't watch 90% of the races live...which sucks, but is do-able.

    There are always internet streams available

  • Pat W29/07/2011 at 21:17

    Bill Bailey being exceptionally good on the Rob Brydon show. Worth an iPlay visit later

    ooh ta

  • Emily29/07/2011 at 21:17

    There are always internet streams available

    I'm usually on a video call with Turkey Machine and it eats up bandwidth!

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 21:18

    Bill Bailey being exceptionally good on the Rob Brydon show. Worth an iPlay visit later

    ooh ta

    Though Rob needs to accept he is not Tom Jones

    Great Cowbell though

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 21:19

    I'm usually on a video call with Turkey Machine and it eats up bandwidth!

    That complicates things

  • Jordan F129/07/2011 at 21:21

    Emily: 29/07/2011 at 22:12:47I delurked for a moment 3 years ago and I am trapped here.

    I pop in and out, but I don't usually post that much.

    Careful, careful, they are baiting you......

    We have cookies y'know.

    I've seen the cookies that you bake, and I want some! *whimpers*

    And another victum falls into the "Bottleless Pit of Sidepodcast..........."

  • Jordan F129/07/2011 at 21:22

    :"And another victum falls into the "Bottleless* Pit of Sidepodcast...."

    Bottomless.... (sp)

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 21:23

    :"And another victum falls into the "Bottleless* Pit of Sidepodcast...."

    Bottomless.... (sp)

    You had Bassano panicking there

  • Bassano29/07/2011 at 21:23

    :"And another victum falls into the "Bottleless* Pit of Sidepodcast...."

    I was getting worried

  • Emily29/07/2011 at 21:32

    Sorry if I go a bit silent, washing dishes.... what joy....meh. :p

  • Steven Roy29/07/2011 at 21:38

    Sorry if I go a bit silent, washing dishes.... what joy....meh. :p

    I am watching a program on the final space shuttle flight so I am totally distracted. If I see comments appearing I will reply

  • Bassano30/07/2011 at 00:48

    Someone give me a headping when FP3 starts please