Continuing my trend of recognising random holidays, today is apparently World Graphic Design Day - celebrating... well, graphic design, obviously. Therefore, we will have to encourage lots of pictures and artwork today. Here's what else we're thinking about:

  • Perhaps in the future, yesterday should forever be known as Newhickey Day. We discussed the Doohickey problems in the comments and came up with a way forward. Mr C put in a good few hours work and lo and behold, the doohickey is back. I will update the wiki with new instructions soon, but essentially it is the same doohickey we know and love. The two main additions are a thread drop down at the top - which selects which thread you can reply to (whilst still seeing other incoming comments), and a quick comment button, which will post to that thread if there is none to reply to in the doohickey already. I'm sure that's as clear as mud, any questions, let us know.
  • Whilst Mr C was busy writing code, others were busy writing great blog posts. Here's a couple of them: Lukeh takes us on a tour of what he loves about the BBC coverage, whilst Scott needs help making a purchasing decision. If you're in the blogging mood, share your links below.
  • In F1 news, well, there was very little news. iSport may be thinking about joining F1, Button is worried that Red Bull are the real threat, and Bernie Ecclestone is still rich.

That'll do it for now. I'm sure there's more to discuss than the few things I have mentioned above, so don't feel limited and just say what's on your mind. I will see you in the comments.

918 responses

  • Scott Woodwiss27/04/2009 at 23:05

    Go Zero Downforce! :D

  • chris evans27/04/2009 at 23:14

    well whadda you know, a doohickey.

  • chris evans27/04/2009 at 23:15

    Listening to Mutemath's album - really good!

    Woohoo!

  • Steven Roy27/04/2009 at 23:16

    So to access a new thread we have to refresh the newhickey like the lclt. No more record runs for the doohickey. The current record time/number of comments will stand for ever.

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:18

    Ah, a new and revitalised Doohickey

    Thank you Mr C, I hope you are on the road to recovery now

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:19

    So to access a new thread we have to refresh the newhickey like the lclt. No more record runs for the doohickey. The current record time/number of comments will stand for ever.

    technically, at the moment that is true. hopefully that won't be the case forever though.

    in theory, we should be able to add new threads to the dropdown list, in the same way that we plan to do "there's a new podcast available" style alerts.

    that's for the future though.

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:19

    Thank you Mr C, I hope you are on the road to recovery now

    much better, thank you.

  • Scott Woodwiss27/04/2009 at 23:23

    much better, thank you.

    Seems like a revitalised Doohickey makes for a revitalised Mr C. :)

  • Steven Roy27/04/2009 at 23:23

    technically, at the moment that is true. hopefully that won't be the case forever though.

    Unlike certain others I am not in the habit of keeping my computer operating for days on end so I don't mind refreshing when I spot a new thread. One of the joys of running Windows is that you know you will have to re-boot sooner rather than later.

  • chris evans27/04/2009 at 23:23

    Seems like a revitalised Doohickey makes for a revitalised Mr C. :)

    A bit like ET and that flower.

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:24

    A bit like ET and that flower.

    :D

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:31

    Technically, shouldn't this be Doohickey version 1.1?

    Though I do like 'Newhickey'

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:32

    Unlike certain others I am not in the habit of keeping my computer operating for days on end so I don't mind refreshing when I spot a new thread. One of the joys of running Windows is that you know you will have to re-boot sooner rather than later.

    :)

    on that subject, we may introduce a sleep mode for doohickey / lclt. essentially it'll stop polling for new comments if you haven't commented for a period of time (probably 3 or 4 hours).

    likely there will be a button to click to wake it up again, and catch up on all the missed comments.

    we need to do that in order to stop a bunch of needless overnight polling adding strain to the server. hopefully it won't effect anything / anyone. but i figured it's worth throwing out there.

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:33

    Technically, shouldn't this be Doohickey version 1.1?

    if it's in beta, has it reached version 1 yet?

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:33

    if it's in beta, has it reached version 1 yet?

    Beta versions change too

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:34

    Beta versions change too

    true.

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:34

    we need to do that in order to stop a bunch of needless overnight polling adding strain to the server. hopefully it won't effect anything / anyone. but i figured it's worth throwing out there.

    Sounds reasonable, you should market this when it's finished

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:35

    Sounds reasonable, you should market this when it's finished

    :)

    tis a long way off that yet. still can't edit comments.

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:36

    tis a long way off that yet. still can't edit comments.

    You need to have something to aspire to, and the upgraders something to purchase each year ;)

  • Steven Roy27/04/2009 at 23:36

    on that subject, we may introduce a sleep mode for doohickey / lclt. essentially it'll stop polling for new comments if you haven't commented for a period of time (probably 3 or 4 hours).

    That makes sense. I tend to have the doohickey open all the time my computer is on even if I am on another tab but I doubt I ever go much more than an hour without checking it. Most of the time it is a lot less than that but if I had to click a button to re-start polling fine. I can't see anyon objecting to that so long as the initial cut off time is reasonable.

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:36

    You need to have something to aspire to, and the upgraders something to purchase each year ;)

    also true :)

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:38

    I can't see anyon objecting to that so long as the initial cut off time is reasonable.

    i'm guessing 3-4hrs, but that can be variable. i know alex mentioned he has left doohickey polling at work over the weekend. it's not a huge problem, but it does seem like a bit of a waste of resources.

    may tackle that one this week.

  • Amy27/04/2009 at 23:40

    i missed doohickey return? Stupid sleep!

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:41

    Whilst on Doohickey, can you remind me again what the "back" command is on the occasions when I hit the wrong link and it doesn't open in a new window

    [I promise to make a note of it this time ;) ]

    A home command would be good in those instances too

  • Lukeh27/04/2009 at 23:41

    i missed doohickey return? Stupid sleep!

    was a truly great moment for doohickey lovers worldwide. :P

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:41

    i missed doohickey return? Stupid sleep!

    Hasn't been long Amy and we couldn't wake you as loud as we were shouting! :)

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:42

    Whilst on Doohickey, can you remind me again what the "back" command is on the occasions when I hit the wrong link and it doesn't open in a new window

    backspace.

    A home command would be good in those instances too

    is this on desktop doohickey?

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:43

    i missed doohickey return? Stupid sleep!

    you've only missed the bugginess. it's good to go now :)

  • Steven Roy27/04/2009 at 23:43

    i missed doohickey return? Stupid sleep!

    You slept two days in a row?

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:43

    is this on desktop doohickey?

    Yes, sorry, should have clarified

    When I mean back, I'm referring to a browser type back (last page viewed)

    Backspace still the same for DD

  • Andy Taylor27/04/2009 at 23:45

    was a truly great moment for doohickey lovers worldwide. :P

    It felt like the return of an old friend.

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:45

    Yes, sorry, should have clarified

    no probs. was struggling with a starting point for the DD, wasn't sure how it should go. today i've learnt sidepodcast is all about the threads, so that's a decent place to jump off from.

    a home button it shall have though (and a start on boot before lukeh asks ;) ).

  • Amy27/04/2009 at 23:46

    but i wont be home from work for 8 hours and i want doohickey NOW! I need a job with unrestricted internet.

  • Lukeh27/04/2009 at 23:47

    a home button it shall have though (and a start on boot before lukeh asks ;) ).

    I will no longer have such stresses as clicking twice on an icon! :D

  • Andy Taylor27/04/2009 at 23:48

    Night all.

  • Scott Woodwiss27/04/2009 at 23:48

    a home button it shall have though (and a start on boot before lukeh asks ).

    It will join the elite ranks - MSN, Skype, Doohickey. ;)

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:48

    night andy.

  • Lukeh27/04/2009 at 23:49

    Night all.

    night andy, heading off myself so goodnight everyone else too :)

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:49

    Hello & G'night Andy

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:49

    see ya lukeh.

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:50

    And Lukeh, Ciao

  • chris evans27/04/2009 at 23:50

    me too, night all

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:50

    see ya tomorrow chris.

  • Scott Woodwiss27/04/2009 at 23:51

    and moi, night all :)

  • Steven Roy27/04/2009 at 23:52

    but i wont be home from work for 8 hours and i want doohickey NOW! I need a job with unrestricted internet.

    Surely you just need unrestricted amounts of money so that you don't need to work. I know that is what I need.

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:52

    Night to all the sleepy heads

    That should cover it :)

  • Sean Golding27/04/2009 at 23:52

    Night to everybody thats leaving.

  • Steven Roy27/04/2009 at 23:52

    Good night Andy

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:52

    and moi, night all :)

    night scott.

    ...was it something i said?

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:53

    ...was it something i said?

    Obviously :D

    Found and uses for the speedtape yet? :D

  • Steven Roy27/04/2009 at 23:53

    Goodnight Scott too.

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:53

    *any*

  • Scott Woodwiss27/04/2009 at 23:53

    ...was it something i said?

    Hehehe :D

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:54

    S'pose I better get cracking with Aperture again, Flickr upgraded

  • Amy27/04/2009 at 23:55

    that would also be good

  • me27/04/2009 at 23:56

    Found and uses for the speedtape yet? :D

    i have discovered it's designed for things that are meant to stay in one place, and i have very few of those.

    if i'm honest, speedtape is too good for me :(

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:57

    if i'm honest, speedtape is too good for me :(

    I best crack on and invent that aerospace grade blu-tak then

  • Bassano Clapper27/04/2009 at 23:58

    i have discovered it's designed for things that are meant to stay in one place, and i have very few of those.

    Like wings, you mean :D

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 00:00

    Am now here on Flickr

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/bassanoclapper/

  • me28/04/2009 at 00:07

    Am now here on Flickr

    i was checking those out earlier. really cool pics.

    am i the only one concerned by the massive dents in the rear of the transporter?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 00:11

    Doohickey has returned! Hoorah!

    And good morning. :)

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 00:22

    And good morning. :)

    Good morning!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 00:25

    Good morning!

    Hey Sean!

    Newhickey day... I like it! :D

    Quiet before the storm, eh? Nothing doing until the hearing tomorrow, it seems.

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 00:26

    am i the only one concerned by the massive dents in the rear of the transporter?

    "It'll do a trip"

    Seriously though, if the metal isn't cracked there's not much to worry about if it isn't holding liquid or pressurised gas

    Probably just sugar or something

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 00:26

    Quiet before the storm, eh? Nothing doing until the hearing tomorrow, it seems.

    It seems.

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 00:26

    Hello Sean & Journeyer

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 00:28

    Hello Sean & Journeyer

    Hello Bassano. :) Everyone seems happy today - I guess the BBC playing "I Can See Clearly Now" last Sunday cheered everyone up? :D

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 00:30

    Hello Bassano. :) Everyone seems happy today - I guess the BBC playing "I Can See Clearly Now" last Sunday cheered everyone up? :D

    I'm happy because I'm going to see Dylan Moran tonight. ;)

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 00:30

    Hello Bassano. :) Everyone seems happy today - I guess the BBC playing "I Can See Clearly Now" last Sunday cheered everyone up? :D

    Strange as it's been raining all day in England :)

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 00:30

    I'm happy because I'm going to see Dylan Moran tonight. ;)

    Funny, funny guy

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 00:31

    Strange as it's been raining all day in England :)

    :D What else is new. ;)

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 00:32

    Funny, funny guy

    Indeed.

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 00:32

    :D What else is new. ;)

    Good point

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 00:32

    Strange as it's been raining all day in England :)

    As it is here. :) But hey - it makes the air cooler, so no one's complaining about the heat. :D

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 00:33

    As it is here. :) But hey - it makes the air cooler, so no one's complaining about the heat. :D

    Here, it's just makes the ground wet!

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 00:34

    As it is here. :) But hey - it makes the air cooler, so no one's complaining about the heat. :D

    Speaking of cool air, it got down to 5 degrees here last night. I'm not complaining, but many people were. It doesn't normally get that cold until the middle of winter, and even then not all that often.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 00:35

    Speaking of cool air, it got down to 5 degrees here last night. I'm not complaining, but many people were. It doesn't normally get that cold until the middle of winter, and even then not all that often.

    Summer has been unusually erratic here too - it came earlier than usual, and it may end earlier than usual. I mean, thunderstorms in the middle of April?!

  • me28/04/2009 at 00:53

    Seriously though, if the metal isn't cracked there's not much to worry about if it isn't holding liquid or pressurised gas

    how'd it get a whack like that though?

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 01:01

    how'd it get a whack like that though?

    Reversed into something - twice?

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 01:03

    how'd it get a whack like that though?

    I've seen bigger dents on aircraft, though by that stage they usually become what's known in the industry as 'holes'

  • me28/04/2009 at 01:14

    I've seen bigger dents on aircraft, though by that stage they usually become what's known in the industry as 'holes'

    !!

    on that note, must sleep. night sir.

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 01:15

    on that note, must sleep. night sir.

    Tutty bye

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 01:27

    on that note, must sleep. night sir.

    Good night Mr C.

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 03:06

    See ya later folks.

  • 2008 SPC-land Fantasy Racers Champions Jordan F128/04/2009 at 03:17

    Yah! My local Chapters (Picture Amazon) finally got the April issue of F1 Racing sometime between the 19th and today...

    That page 22 thing still going on?

  • Aitch28/04/2009 at 03:20

    Yah! My local Chapters (Picture Amazon) finally got the April issue of F1 Racing sometime between the 19th and today...

    I was just at my local Chapters over the weekend and they still have about 8 copies of the March issue.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 03:24

    That page 22 thing still going on?

    It's still going on at http://drop.io/meandpage22

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 06:15

    Scott Woodwiss: 27/04/2009 at 23:23

    much better, thank you.

    Seems like a revitalised Doohickey makes for a revitalised Mr C.

    Doohickey health related to Mr. C's?

    Thank God it's back - my finger was getting worn out from scrolling all the way to the bottom of the daily post on my iPod!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 06:18

    Thank God it's back - my finger was getting worn out from scrolling all the way to the bottom of the daily post on my iPod!

    :D Good thing I've never needed to use it during the blackout. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 06:18

    So after avoiding my feed reader for two days not to spoil the F1 & MotoGP result, I had to declare 'feed bankruptcy' last night at 10pm CET. This morning (8am CET) I have 200 items! B'stards!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 06:22

    So after avoiding my feed reader for two days not to spoil the F1 & MotoGP result, I had to declare 'feed bankruptcy' last night at 10pm CET. This morning (8am CET) I have 200 items! B'stards!

    Hahahahaha! :D Nice way to start the day. :P

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 06:23

    What's this? Bernie is still open to returning to Silverstone?

    And he thinks McLaren will just get a slap on the wrist. Thanks to the Hamilton-Mosley alliance, no doubt.

    Bernie talks to Ed Gorman

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 06:39

    Journeyer: 28/04/2009 at 07:23:43

    What's this? Bernie is still open to returning to Silverstone?

    And he thinks McLaren will just get a slap on the wrist. Thanks to the Hamilton-Mosley alliance, no doubt.

    Bernie talks to Ed Gorman

    I hope the manufacturers are putting pressure on Bernie to keep it mild - that's the only way they're gonna listen!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 06:41

    I hope the manufacturers are putting pressure on Bernie to keep it mild - that's the only way they're gonna listen!

    Daimler and Mercedes have been doing a lot of that - and it seems to be working - sort of. I still think Lewis aligning himself to Max is the biggest reason why McLaren will be saved from more punishment. It worked for Schumacher, it will work for Hamilton.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 06:43

    I hope the manufacturers are putting pressure on Bernie to keep it mild - that's the only way they're gonna listen!

    Daimler and Mercedes have been doing a lot of that - and it seems to be working - sort of. I still think Lewis aligning himself to Max is the biggest reason why McLaren will be saved from more punishment. It worked for Schumacher, it will work for Hamilton.

    The fact that Mercedes are not happy with the situation and supply three teams gives them some clout, too...

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 06:45

    The fact that Mercedes are not happy with the situation and supply three teams gives them some clout, too...

    Good point made there. But Max has Cosworth power waiting in the wings, so I'm don't think that's his biggest consideration right now.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 06:53

    The fact that Mercedes are not happy with the situation and supply three teams gives them some clout, too...

    Good point made there. But Max has Cosworth power waiting in the wings, so I'm don't think that's his biggest consideration right now.

    F1 has been wooing the manufacturers for years though. Those in power want all the manufacturers to stay in the sport

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 06:55

    F1 has been wooing the manufacturers for years though. Those in power want all the manufacturers to stay in the sport

    I think it's 'had', not 'has'. Max probably doesn't like the idea of manufacturers unifying themselves against him. All the current regulations or those being proposed - engine freeze, budget caps, etc - go against the reason why they'd compete in the sport.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 06:58

    F1 has been wooing the manufacturers for years though. Those in power want all the manufacturers to stay in the sport

    I think it's 'had', not 'has'. Max probably doesn't like the idea of manufacturers unifying themselves against him. All the current regulations or those being proposed - engine freeze, budget caps, etc - go against the reason why they'd compete in the sport.

    So back to the garagiste it is then.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 06:58

    So back to the garagiste it is then.

    Yep - back to the garagiste it is. How odd, though, to see LDM and Ferrari, siding with the garagistes!

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 06:59

    *celebrates*

    Morning guys, just saw another Brawn 1-2 on BATrarer, yay :D Lou's car must be an absolute beast, our aim was to get myself a win and Lou started 12th in her car, myself on pole, and she got the win. Madness! But 1-2 in any order = happy lukeh :D

    Off to uni now... *waves*

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 06:59

    So back to the garagiste it is then.

    Yep - back to the garagiste it is. How odd, though, to see LDM and Ferrari, siding with the garagistes!

    Enzo will be turning in his grave on that one!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:00

    Morning guys, just saw another Brawn 1-2 on BATrarer, yay :D Lou's car must be an absolute beast, our aim was to get myself a win and Lou started 12th in her car, myself on pole, and she got the win. Madness! But 1-2 in any order = happy lukeh :D

    Well done! And this is at Hungary?!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 07:01

    *celebrates*

    Morning guys, just saw another Brawn 1-2 on BATrarer, yay :D Lou's car must be an absolute beast, our aim was to get myself a win and Lou started 12th in her car, myself on pole, and she got the win. Madness! But 1-2 in any order = happy lukeh :D

    Off to uni now... *waves*

    Well done, and happy doodling! Can you draw me '5 pints of awesome man' and his nemesis, whoever that may be?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 07:01

    Well done! And this is at Hungary?!

    Yep, Hungarian GP. A case of Jenson Buttonitis from Lou's car I think :P

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:01

    Enzo will be turning in his grave on that one!

    Oh yeah - he'd be very disappointed to see his protege side with the others and go against the FIA - who he always aligned himself with.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 07:01

    Well done, and happy doodling! Can you draw me '5 pints of awesome man' and his nemesis, whoever that may be?

    We shall see how bored I get ;)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:02

    Yep, Hungarian GP. A case of Jenson Buttonitis from Lou's car I think :P

    :D Hahaha! And to think Lou's at uni while all this is happening... I guess she's extended her championship lead?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 07:03

    :D Hahaha! And to think Lou's at uni while all this is happening... I guess she's extended her championship lead?

    Just texted her now to let her know, it's just strangely ausing how it turned out considering last night we were saying I'm more likely to get ym first win in the car there. But any 1-2 in any order = woooooot! I believe she's back in the lead now, yep :)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 07:03

    *strangely amusing

    anyways, see you guys in a few hours :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:05

    That was a champion's drive!

    Later, Lukeh.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:23

    18% Don't Understand the Term 'Broadband'

    Interesting research - a lot of people seem to use the Net without really knowing how it works per se. It's kinda like TV now - most people just take it at face value without going into specifics.

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 07:39

    Morning guys, just saw another Brawn 1-2 on BATrarer, yay :D Lou's car must be an absolute beast, our aim was to get myself a win and Lou started 12th in her car, myself on pole, and she got the win. Madness! But 1-2 in any order = happy lukeh :D

    Bah, I'm sure you're cheating somehow :P

    Another gutting race for Torro Rosso. Our car ran like a dream at he start of the season and now they are falling to bits!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:39

    Bah, I'm sure you're cheating somehow :P

    Another gutting race for Torro Rosso. Our car ran like a dream at he start of the season and now they are falling to bits!

    Maybe Red Bull don't want to help you anymore. ;)

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 07:41

    Maybe Red Bull don't want to help you anymore. ;)

    They don't now they are beating us!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 07:41

    Maybe Red Bull don't want to help you anymore. ;)

    They don't now they are beating us!

    They're gonna sell you as soon as they can!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:42

    They're gonna sell you as soon as they can!

    To Paul Stoddart! :D Hahahaha!

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 07:44

    They're gonna sell you as soon as they can!

    Bah! It could be worse I guess, I could be in a Renault :P

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 07:46

    Morning guys, just saw another Brawn 1-2 on BATrarer, yay :D Lou's car must be an absolute beast, our aim was to get myself a win and Lou started 12th in her car, myself on pole, and she got the win. Madness! But 1-2 in any order = happy lukeh :D

    Thanks to the problems of BMW in the actual season, we have no way near as much pace anymore. I can't believe we held on to third and fourth!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 07:46

    They're gonna sell you as soon as they can!

    Bah! It could be worse I guess, I could be in a Renault :P

    At least if you drive a Renault you can't see the outside from inside!

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 07:47

    At least if you drive a Renault you can't see the outside from inside!

    Haha. Thankfully, in batracer they have only been on the track for a few laps anyway! :P

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:48

    Thanks to the problems of BMW in the actual season, we have no way near as much pace anymore. I can't believe we held on to third and fourth!

    Well done! That said, I don't think BMW's real-world fightback will be in time for you to benefit... :O

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 07:49

    Thanks to the problems of BMW in the actual season, we have no way near as much pace anymore. I can't believe we held on to third and fourth!

    Well done! That said, I don't think BMW's real-world fightback will be in time for you to benefit... :O

    That reminds me - I must finish my FR stats tonight. I have some interesting results!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:51

    That reminds me - I must finish my FR stats tonight. I have some interesting results!

    Oooh... sounds good! :D

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 07:52

    Well done! That said, I don't think BMW's real-world fightback will be in time for you to benefit... :O

    Very true, I think at best we can hope to hang on to second. Although Al and myself managed to finish first in the constructors with Ferrari in the 1986 season.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:53

    Very true, I think at best we can hope to hang on to second. Although Al and myself managed to finish first in the constructors with Ferrari in the 1986 season.

    This will be harder than that, I think. At least Ferrari had some pace in 1986 - they were still the 4th fastest car out there that year. This time, BMW is behind Brawn, RBR, Toyota, McLaren, and Ferrari.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 07:55

    This will be harder than that, I think. At least Ferrari had some pace in 1986 - they were still the 4th fastest car out there that year. This time, BMW is behind Brawn, RBR, Toyota, McLaren, and Ferrari.

    I know, we have to rely on the other teams not performing and pick up as many points as we can. Damn BMW and their slump.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 07:57

    I know, we have to rely on the other teams not performing and pick up as many points as we can. Damn BMW and their slump.

    Not to mention that cars are more reliable now than they were in '86 - makes this seem even more difficult in comparison.

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 08:03

    I just checked the GRID laptimes on the wiki for last week. Havw we got a world record holder in our ranks???!

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 08:07

    Not to mention that cars are more reliable now than they were in '86 - makes this seem even more difficult in comparison.

    Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 08:10

    I just checked the GRID laptimes on the wiki for last week. Have we got a world record holder in our ranks???!

    I thought you knew that already - isn't Dom's time marked as the world-best time? At least that's what I saw on the screenshot.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 08:10

    Morning guys. Now just 14 points off Lou and Al. Just gotta keep chipping away at it.

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 08:12

    I thought you knew that already - isn't Dom's time marked as the world-best time? At least that's what I saw on the screenshot.

    Nope, had internet issues for the last few days so didn't get a chance to look. If we've got someone setting WR times then I definitely don't stand a chance! :P At least we are in a better can this week though.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 08:13

    Nope, had internet issues for the last few days so didn't get a chance to look. If we've got someone setting WR times then I definitely don't stand a chance! At least we are in a better can this week though.

    Sure it wasn't an offline WR?

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 08:15

    Sure it wasn't an offline WR?

    Didn't know such a thing existed.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 08:17

    I thought you knew that already - isn't Dom's time marked as the world-best time? At least that's what I saw on the screenshot.

    Nope, had internet issues for the last few days so didn't get a chance to look. If we've got someone setting WR times then I definitely don't stand a chance! :P At least we are in a better can this week though.

    My cousin gets pretty serious about GRID - apparently he destroys controllers throwing them against the wall!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 08:17

    Didn't know such a thing existed.

    If you set a time when you're not connected to XBL, it counts as a "personal WR" if you like.

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 08:17

    haha, just realised I said we are in a better can this week. I obviously meant to say car but I think can suits that Lacetti a bit better!

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 08:18

    If you set a time when you're not connected to XBL, it counts as a "personal WR" if you like.

    Ah, that's less cool, but a bloody good time all the same.

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 08:21

    My cousin gets pretty serious about GRID - apparently he destroys controllers throwing them against the wall!

    Something I've never done, though I did come close playing Mario Kart a few weeks ago. Those wrist straps really do work.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 08:26

    Anyone listened to the FIF1 podcast? It's amazing how many excuses they made:

    - Webber was too far back when Sooty started his lap

    - Alonso tangled with someone and slowed Sooty up in front of Webber.

    - The team didn't want to radio Sooty as they didn't want to disturb his concentration because he was about to start a lap

    - The team didn't have enough time to prepare for the stewards

    - The team didn't think Webber would have made it into Q2 anyway

    - Webber didn't want a penalty, Red Bull did.

    Wah Wah Wahhh! Sooty still drove dangerously and should have reacted accordingly. Just accept the punishment and don't make excuses!

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 08:29

    - Webber was too far back when Sooty started his lap

    - Alonso tangled with someone and slowed Sooty up in front of Webber.

    - The team didn't want to radio Sooty as they didn't want to disturb his concentration because he was about to start a lap

    - The team didn't have enough time to prepare for the stewards

    - The team didn't think Webber would have made it into Q2 anyway

    - Webber didn't want a penalty, Red Bull did.

    I did think it looked like Alonso had slowed a bit, but even then he wasn't that near Sutill.

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:29

    Morning all. Ahh, the Doohickey. :)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 08:31

    Morning all. Ahh, the Doohickey.

    Morning Christine. How's it going? Is the big man feeling any better? :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 08:31

    I did think it looked like Alonso had slowed a bit, but even then he wasn't that near Sutill.

    This was the Force India Team Manager. Naturally he thought the penalty was harsh!

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 08:31

    Morning all. Ahh, the Doohickey. :)

    Morning and goodbye. Off to work, speak to y'all later.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 08:31

    Morning all. Ahh, the Doohickey. :)

    The Newhickey works well!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 08:31

    Morning all. Ahh, the Doohickey. :)

    You missed it too, I see. ;)

    Re: Force India and Sutil, was it Ian Phillips giving the excuses? Very poor of them, they should've just let it go and moved on... Did they mention anything about Massa-Fisichella?

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:32

    Morning Christine. How's it going? Is the big man feeling any better? :)

    On the road to recovery, I'd say.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 08:32

    On the road to recovery, I'd say.

    Good to hear :)

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:32

    You missed it too, I see. ;)

    Absolutely!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 08:32

    This was the Force India Team Manager. Naturally he thought the penalty was harsh!

    Who's the team manager? Sheesh, 3 places back for Force India don't really mean a lot - especially not where they were gonna start anyway.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 08:33

    Re: Force India and Sutil, was it Ian Phillips giving the excuses? Very poor of them, they should've just let it go and moved on... Did they mention anything about Massa-Fisichella?

    No, it was Andy Stevenson, Team Manager.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 08:33

    Morning Christine. How's it going? Is the big man feeling any better? :)

    You make him sound like he's Shaq. :D

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:37

    So, quick and random question - who would you get to play you in the movie of your life?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 08:39

    So, quick and random question - who would you get to play you in the movie of your life?

    Hmm, I'd say Ewan McGregor. I liked him in the Long Way Down series.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 08:39

    So, quick and random question - who would you get to play you in the movie of your life?

    Myself, and it would be a reality-TV movie! :D

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:41

    Hmm, I'd say Ewan McGregor. I liked him in the Long Way Down series.

    Ah yes, he seems like a nice chap :)

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:41

    Myself, and it would be a reality-TV movie! :D

    That's cheating!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 08:41

    Myself, and it would be a reality-TV movie! :D

    That's cheating!

    Not if my movie had to be made on a shoestring budget!

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:42

    Not if my movie had to be made on a shoestring budget!

    Nooo, it's bound to be a blockbuster!

  • F1wolf28/04/2009 at 08:52

    Hi guys, just stopping by to say hi, sitting at the exhibiton having nothing to do :-)

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 08:53

    Hi guys, just stopping by to say hi, sitting at the exhibiton having nothing to do :-)

    Hi wolf, how's it going?

  • F1wolf28/04/2009 at 09:00

    it is fun to be at the exhibition that is so dead quiet, feels like being at malaysian gp during Saturday quali :-)

  • F1wolf28/04/2009 at 09:01

    looked at calendar today, realized May 1st will be here soon. 15 years since May 1st 1994 ...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:01

    it is fun to be at the exhibition that is so dead quiet, feels like being at malaysian gp during Saturday quali :-)

    What exhibition is this?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:01

    looked at calendar today, realized May 1st will be here soon. 15 years since May 1st 1994 ...

    Speaking of which, check out my Senna photo on dropio from yesterday...

  • F1wolf28/04/2009 at 09:02

    Hong Kong Gift Fair

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 09:02

    looked at calendar today, realized May 1st will be here soon. 15 years since May 1st 1994 ...

    Great point. Lest we forget... :(

  • F1wolf28/04/2009 at 09:05

    "Speaking of which, check out my Senna photo on dropio from yesterday..."

    any quick link to that photo ?

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 09:06

    any quick link to that photo ?

    Is it this one?

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/dsc01517-jpg

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:08

    any quick link to that photo ?

    Is it this one?

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/dsc01517-jpg

    '

    Yup

    And there’s the Ayrton Senna stopped right in front of me moment.

    I spoke about it on a panel a few weeks ago (It was yours Journeyer). At the 1993 European Grand Prix on the victory lap he stopped right in front of me because his flag got caught in his wheel. I have a pic somewhere!

  • F1wolf28/04/2009 at 09:09

    tried to upload this one to dropio but my mobile connection is a bit slow:

    http://www.f1wolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/senna-san-marino-1994.jpg

    this one is from Williams website, before the start of San Marino GP

  • F1wolf28/04/2009 at 09:11

    "Yup"

    nice shot

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:12

    "Yup"

    nice shot

    Thank my Dad - I was the 12-year old pressed against the fence ;)

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 09:12

    woah, lots of comments to catch up on since the return of the doohickey!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:18

    Great point. Lest we forget... :(

    We must never forget. Formula 1 safety has come a long way in nearly 15 years.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:19

    woah, lots of comments to catch up on since the return of the doohickey!

    Indeed. Newhickey is all the craze! :D

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 09:21

    Indeed. Newhickey is all the craze! :D

    to keep up I think I now have to give up both sleep AND my job

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:21

    to keep up I think I now have to give up both sleep AND my job

    Or you can work from home, which is what I'm doing today. ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:23

    Indeed. Newhickey is all the craze! :D

    Did Adrian Newey design the Newhickey?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:23

    Did Adrian Newey design the Newhickey?

    No, someone better than him did. :D

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 09:27

    Have I missed anything over the last day and a bit?

    The exchange across the road decided to stop all adsl connections. :(

    Only access I had was over my phones....

    1792 RSS entries to go through....

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:27

    Have I missed anything over the last day and a bit?

    One word: newhickey. :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:28

    Have I missed anything over the last day and a bit?

    The exchange across the road decided to stop all adsl connections. :(

    Only access I had was over my phones....

    1792 RSS entries to go through....

    Ah, you might also have to declare feed bankruptcy :(

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 09:30

    One word: newhickey.

    Ooooh... :D

    Ah, you might also have to declare feed bankruptcy

    Will only take a couple of hours to sort though.

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 09:31

    My god the net is slow today...

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 09:31

    My god the net is slow today…

    Forget that - the 10 servers I've got here just all started autoupdating at the same time. :D

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:32

    My god the net is slow today...

    You're still probably better off than me - my DSL keeps cutting out. Just plain annoying.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:32

    Forget that - the 10 servers I've got here just all started autoupdating at the same time. :D

    See - you ARE better off! :P

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 09:32

    Well I'm having a chilled out morning listening to some more Mutemath on Spotify :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:33

    Well I'm having a chilled out morning listening to some more Mutemath on Spotify :)

    Good on ya! Just finished watching the Graham Hill docu - was very good! I still prefer the Clark docu though. Other than Graham, Jim, and Jackie, are there any other MSP/BBC4 docus coming up?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 09:34

    Some insight into the new aero pieces brought to Bahrain:

    http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2009/807/

    See! Told you Williams had Red Bull rear wing end plates! :D

  • Jeremy28/04/2009 at 09:36

    F1wolf: 28/04/2009 at 09:01

    looked at calendar today, realized May 1st will be here soon. 15 years since May 1st 1994 …

    I will dig out the Senna shirt I wore that day. I must go to Brazil at some point in my life.

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 09:37

    Well I'm having a chilled out morning listening to some more Mutemath on Spotify

    I just have to do some work now.

    re-arranged my kit in my playroom yesterday - moved the amp for my PC's about and the tuner and SACD.

    Also moved my big mediaserver into it's new home for the moment. Moving a 8U server case on your own isn't easy.

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 09:37

    looked at calendar today, realized May 1st will be here soon. 15 years since May 1st 1994 …

    Already got my RatzenbergerSenna desktop on my PC

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:38

    looked at calendar today, realized May 1st will be here soon. 15 years since May 1st 1994 …

    Already got my RatzenbergerSenna desktop on my PC

    Stop it - you're already making me feel awful and it's not until the end of the week!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:39

    Already got my RatzenbergerSenna desktop on my PC

    As the only guy on the grid now to have been at Imola 1994 - and having survived a huge shunt himself on the Friday - I'm sure they'll be asking Rubens Barrichello about it.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 09:41

    As the only guy on the grid now to have been at Imola 1994 - and having survived a huge shunt himself on the Friday - I'm sure they'll be asking Rubens Barrichello about it.

    I feel for Rubens, being the only link left to that time. I know if I was him I would hate being questioned about the loss of my idol. 15 years sounds like ages but the pain is still felt by so many.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 09:43

    Anyone know where I can pick up a Senna wallpaper that's 1280x800?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:43

    I feel for Rubens, being the only link left to that time. I know if I was him I would hate being questioned about the loss of my idol. 15 years sounds like ages but the pain is still felt by so many.

    Not to mention Rubens really had a special link to Ayrton. They became very close that year, 1994. I remember Rubens talking about Ayrton inviting him to go with him to Tokyo Disneyland after Aida - it showed a very human side of Ayrton, and he was willing to be open with young Rubens about it.

    DC, too, had a special link with Senna before, having been with Williams as their 3rd driver and later moving up to take Senna's seat.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 09:43

    Anyone know where I can pick up a Senna wallpaper that's 1280x800?

    You're welcome to use my drop.io pic ;)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:43

    Anyone know where I can pick up a Senna wallpaper that's 1280x800?

    There's a site that had tons of hi-res Senna pics. Can't remember where it is now, though... Lemme check.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:46

    There's a site that had tons of hi-res Senna pics. Can't remember where it is now, though... Lemme check.

    Ah, here it is:

    Hi-res Senna gallery

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:50

    In case this 3-page gallery of hi-res pics weren't enough:

    Senna Flickr gallery

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 09:51

    Ah, here it is:

    Hi-res Senna gallery

    Cool, just picked a pic of Senna at Imola as a desktop. Will have a look at that Flickr page too.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 09:53

    Tell you what - shall I make some wallpapers for us all for May 1st? I have GIMP so I can knock them together pretty quickly :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:55

    Tell you what - shall I make some wallpapers for us all for May 1st? I have GIMP so I can knock them together pretty quickly :)

    Would love that, Scott. :D A 'Senna in the Williams' portrait would be mighty!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 09:55

    Would love that, Scott. A 'Senna in the Williams' portrait would be mighty!

    OK, what size screen is your monitor?

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 09:57

    Would love that, Scott. :D A 'Senna in the Williams' portrait would be mighty!

    I am a "Senna in the McLaren" girl of course :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:57

    OK, what size screen is your monitor?

    1280 x 800

    Thank you!! :D

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 09:58

    I wonder if anyone will request for Senna in the Toleman... :)

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 10:01

    I wonder if anyone will request for Senna in the Toleman...

    Dreadful car... :D

    Lotus 97T - beautiful. :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:10

    For myself and Journeyer:

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/sennawall1-1280x800-jpg

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:12

    Amy, what's your screen size? I'll cobble together a McLaren one for you if you want :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 10:12

    Don't suppose any of the sidepodcrowd are knowledgeable in employment law?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:12

    Scott - Brilliant. Thank you!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:12

    Don't suppose any of the sidepodcrowd are knowledgeable in employment law?

    What's up?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:12

    Scott - Brilliant. Thank you!

    :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:13

    Don't suppose any of the sidepodcrowd are knowledgeable in employment law?

    I have a vague knowledge of the basics, but nothing more. What's up?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 10:13

    What's up?

    I'm just wanting some advice

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 10:13

    Amy, what's your screen size? I'll cobble together a McLaren one for you if you want :)

    1280x800 :D

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:14

    I'm just wanting some advice

    I'm all ears.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:14

    1280x800

    Cool, any particular year?

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 10:14

    Boo, even the McLaren twitter is taunting me with Heikki and Legard.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:15

    Boo, even the McLaren twitter is taunting me with Heikki and Legard.

    Have you tried checking the site I invited you to last time? That's all I'll say. :)

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 10:16

    Cool, any particular year?

    a championship year would be good :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 10:16

    I'm all ears.

    I don't think you'd know about UK law though?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:16

    I don't think you'd know about UK law though?

    True.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 10:17

    Have you tried checking the site I invited you to last time? That's all I'll say. :)

    I have got a lot of other stuff from there, but I didn't think about that! My share ratio is horrible because no one ever seems to be leeching stuff I'm seeding.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:17

    a championship year would be good

    Just trying to find a shot of him a Monaco on that Flickr set.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:18

    I have got a lot of other stuff from there, but I didn't think about that! My share ratio is horrible because no one ever seems to be leeching stuff I'm seeding.

    Give it time - people will ask you to reseed soon enough. :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 10:18

    True.

    I can email you through your PF address?

  • Chris28/04/2009 at 10:19

    Morning all. Yay for newhickey!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:20

    I can email you through your PF address?

    Sure, go ahead. Let me know once you've sent it.

    Or maybe you'd rather use IM?

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 10:20

    Just trying to find a shot of him a Monaco on that Flickr set.

    Racing Line last year did a special on the 14 McLaren wins at Monaco, some lovely shots of Senna were in there. I always like to see him mentioned in their magazine :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 10:21

    Or maybe you'd rather use IM?

    ok I'll email you my IM skype address

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:21

    ok I'll email you my IM skype address

    go ahead, by all means. :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 10:23

    go ahead, by all means. :)

    done :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:25

    done :)

    on my way :)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:27

    Amy - are you OK with a pic from 1993 or something? So of the pics I've been looking at get a little pixelated when you view their original size. :)

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 10:29

    Amy - are you OK with a pic from 1993 or something? So of the pics I've been looking at get a little pixelated when you view their original size. :)

    I'm not fussy :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 10:31

    Scott,

    Any chance you could make a nice Mclaren one in 1920x1200 for me?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 10:32

    http://www.f1wolf.com/2009/04/1994-san-marino-grand-prix-its-been-15-years.html

    Link to F1 Wolf, if he didn't already ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:32

    Any chance you could make a nice Mclaren one in 1920x1200 for me?

    Sure, any year in particular?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 10:34

    Any chance you could make a nice Mclaren one in 1920x1200 for me?

    Sure, any year in particular?

    Hmm, not fussed as long as it's a Mclaren with an airbox :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:39

    Hmm, not fussed as long as it's a Mclaren with an airbox :)

    Awww, the 1988 no-airbox McLaren looks cool. :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:44

    *sigh* More spam on drop.io.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:48

    Here ya are, Amy :)

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/sennawall2-1280x800-jpg

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 10:50

    *sigh* More spam on drop.io.

    You know you're popular when you're being spammed everyday

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 10:53

    Here ya are, Amy :)

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/sennawall2-1280x800-jpg

    Scott,

    I'll just have a picture - no writing is necessary ;)

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 10:53

    So, quick and random question - who would you get to play you in the movie of your life?

    Edward Norton (so I've been told)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:53

    McLaren, with Senna driving car 27 - really cool. I'm tempted to use that instead of Williams. or maybe i should use both - 1 at work, 1 at home. hmmm...

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 10:55

    I'll just have a picture - no writing is necessary

    OK :)

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 10:57

    Woah!

    Ecclestone: We've got nothing against Silverstone

    Eh? Since when?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 10:58

    Eh? Since when?

    Since yesterday. ;) Or better yet, since never. :D

  • Alianora La Canta28/04/2009 at 11:09

    Ecclestone: We’ve got nothing against Silverstone

    Eh? Since when? {Commnet #255}

    That's probably true. It's the BRDC he has an eternal grudge against...

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 11:10

    Here ya are, Amy :)

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/sennawall2-1280x800-jpg

    thankyooooou. my internets is broken! thus i disappear from sidepodcast for the night :(

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 11:10

    That's probably true. It's the BRDC he has an eternal grudge against...

    But they run Silverstone, so it's one and the same in my book.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 11:11

    thankyooooou. my internets is broken! thus i disappear from sidepodcast for the night :(

    Going so soon? G'night Amy.

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 11:33

    But they run Silverstone, so it's one and the same in my book.

    That's like saying, I've nothing against Church, I just have an issue with Jesus

    Bernie should just keep his mouth shut really, shouldn't he

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 11:34

    Bernie should just keep his mouth shut really, shouldn't he

    Yep. Haha!

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 11:38

    Next SidePodMeet-up (affiliates) opportunity is under review for June

    The choices thus far are: Montreal, Balimore or Washington DC

    I shall have to consult the listner's map tonight

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:39

    not sure this has been discussed already. but james allen on jenson button:

    "Every time Button enters the pits during practice he drives into his pit box, with the mechanics in the positions they would be in for a pit stop. He comes in and stops in position. But that is not where it ends, there is a brief pause on the radio and then Andrew Shovlin, Button’s race engineer will say, "Ten centimetres out.""

    "Sometimes he comes in and you will hear Brawn himself say, "Perfect position Jenson.""

    driving for brawn must be like night and day compared to driving for honda.

  • the Blue Orange Lion28/04/2009 at 11:40

    Hey, people, let the fun begin: just heard this rumour about Mercedes buying out Brawn and doing a BMW Sauber kinda thing. Because supposedly the Germans are tired of McLaren's strained relationship with the FIA and Monsieur Mad Max. The announcement they say is imminent which should also affect monsieur Hamilton's plans because he is rumoured to have a clause in his contract which allows him to walk out and away if McLaren is not linked to a manufacturer. It all disintegrates for McLaren this year. Or maybe not?

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:40

    Mr C... Lovin' the newhicky :)

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 11:41

    Hey, people, let the fun begin: just heard this rumour about Mercedes buying out Brawn and doing a BMW Sauber kinda thing.

    Any sources, or is this an inside rumour?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 11:41

    Hey, people, let the fun begin: just heard this rumour about Mercedes buying out Brawn and doing a BMW Sauber kinda thing. Because supposedly the Germans are tired of McLaren's strained relationship with the FIA and Monsieur Mad Max. The announcement they say is imminent which should also affect monsieur Hamilton's plan because he is rumoured to have a clause in his contract which allows him to walk out and away if McLaren is not linked to a manufacturer. It all disintegrates for McLaren this year. Or maybe not?

    That's a HUGE rumor. Where did that come from?

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 11:41

    Mr C... Lovin' the newhicky :)

    Though that name is starting to stick, it does sound like something you'd get after a date when you're 15! :)

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:42

    Mr C... Lovin' the newhicky :)

    yay :)

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:42

    Though that name is starting to stick, it does sound like something you'd get after a date when you're 15! :)

    Ha :)

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:42

    yay :)

    Well my comment yesterday was:

    How about you select a thread at the top in the drop down… All comments on that thread are white and have comment boxes… All comments on other threads are gray. And you have to swap to that thread by changing the drop down.

    So I'd pretty much have to be happy :)

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 11:44

    Mr C... Lovin' the newhicky :)

    yay :)

    We all (hearts) Doohickey v2

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:45

    Well my comment yesterday was:

    it's community tool, designed through a community thought process. if nothing else it highlights the strength of conversation.

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:46

    Does the dropdown change when a new thread arrives? Just wondering for quick commenting on the run...

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:46

    Does the dropdown change when a new thread arrives? Just wondering for quick commenting on the run...

    not yet.

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:47

    it's community tool, designed through a community thought process. if nothing else it highlights the strength of conversation.

    Absolutely... Sorry my comment sounds like I'm taking credit... No way... It was everyones ideas melding together in a great way :)

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:47

    Absolutely... Sorry my comment sounds like I'm taking credit... No way... It was everyones ideas melding together in a great way :)

    i'd like to say something profound like... "there's no i in sidepodcast", except there is :(

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:48

    i'd like to say something profound like... "there's no i in sidepodcast", except there is :(

    There's also a me in sidepodcast which is you ;)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 11:48

    i'd like to say something profound like... "there's no i in sidepodcast", except there is :(

    you can say 'there's no me in sidepodcast'... except your name IS 'me'. :P

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 11:48

    i'd like to say something profound like... "there's no i in sidepodcast", except there is :(

    It seems unbelievable that we wouldn't want to be placing the blame somewhere though. Very out of character.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 11:48

    *waves*

    Afternoon guys and gals :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 11:49

    It seems unbelievable that we wouldn't want to be placing the blame somewhere though. Very out of character.

    Blame is different from credit! :D

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:49

    not yet.

    Actually I think it shouldn't... Sorry not clear... It was me worrying that I would be in the quick comment box (which is going to be really handy in the white heat of live commenting) and then the thread changes and you don't notice which might lead to incorrect thread posting.

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:50

    Actually I think it shouldn't... Sorry not clear... It was me worrying that I would be in the quick comment box (which is going to be really handy in the white heat of live commenting) and then the thread changes and you don't notice which might lead to incorrect thread posting.

    also true. although it could appear in the list without the selected thread actually changing?

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:50

    It seems unbelievable that we wouldn't want to be placing the blame somewhere though. Very out of character.

    You're missing it Christine. This time it's so big his blaming everyone ;)

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:50

    Afternoon guys and gals :)

    hey lukeh.

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 11:51

    Blame is different from credit! :D

    Not here it isn't.

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 11:51

    also true. although it could appear in the list without the selected thread actually changing?

    Yeah cool... Or maybe like when you have the comment box open it pauses incoming message updates. Maybe having that open would pause thread changes?

  • the Blue Orange Lion28/04/2009 at 11:52

    That’s a HUGE rumor. Where did that come from?

    Well, it's that Portuguese guy called Luis Vasconcelos who hangs around F1 paddock sometimes. His article in Portuguese Autosport is called "Mercedes Covets Brawn". Quite imaginative.

    He claims that the Germans will sell their shares to Mansour Ojjeh & Bahraini Mumtalakat Holding Company. And the guy says that he had contacted Mercedes people who confirmed that McLaren road car would not be powered by Mercedes engine.

    Dunno, that's too much information. We'd need another insider to confirm that. Anybody?

  • me28/04/2009 at 11:53

    Yeah cool... Or maybe like when you have the comment box open it pauses incoming message updates. Maybe having that open would pause thread changes?

    could also work. automatic thread updates are a little while away.

    this week am looking to get the post content appear in a lightbox, so there's still an opportunity to read and refer to blog posts, without leaving doohickey.

  • Jeremy28/04/2009 at 11:58

    He claims that the Germans will sell their shares to Mansour Ojjeh & Bahraini Mumtalakat Holding Company. And the guy says that he had contacted Mercedes people who confirmed that McLaren road car would not be powered by Mercedes engine.

    Perhaps this is the reason that McLaren Automotive has separated from the rest of the group - so they can choose whatever engine they like without upsetting anyone.

  • Jeremy28/04/2009 at 12:01

    Bernie should just keep his mouth shut really, shouldn’t he

    Maybe he should hire Ed Gorman as a consultant (or just tell the truth)?

    http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/04/something-missing-at-team-hamilton

  • Kathi28/04/2009 at 12:02

    Daimler is going to present their cost saving plans to their employees this afternoon.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 12:05

    He claims that the Germans will sell their shares to Mansour Ojjeh & Bahraini Mumtalakat Holding Company. And the guy says that he had contacted Mercedes people who confirmed that McLaren road car would not be powered by Mercedes engine.

    He's using the right names so far. McLaren car will be powered by a McLaren engine, I'm pretty certain.

    But what's this guy's record in getting these kinds of things right? Sounds like a LOT of speculation to me.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 12:06

    Daimler is going to present their cost saving plans to their employees this afternoon.

    Interesting, but I don't think any big F1 news will come out of it.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 12:09

    I've been sent the initial details of the PSRTV Announcer's Competition. I have to do a 5 minute sample of commentary over some footage.

  • the Blue Orange Lion28/04/2009 at 12:09

    But what’s this guy’s record in getting these kinds of things right?

    50/50

  • Kris28/04/2009 at 12:10

    Doohickey! where have you been? *mwa* *mwa* *mwa* don't ever leave me like that again

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 12:10

    50/50

    Oh. Hmmm. I think this is a lot of doo doo, to be honest. I'll believe it when I see it.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 12:11

    Doohickey! where have you been? *mwa* *mwa* *mwa* don't ever leave me like that again

    :D

    We all make Mr C feel loved today. ;)

  • Kris28/04/2009 at 12:12

    We all make Mr C feel loved today. ;)

    I'm certainly in the loving mood now :)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 12:12

    Im stuck on my brother's PC for a few hours till I go collect my laptop... this is an embarrassment to have. He has about 7 antivirus and firewall softwares (seriously, 7) all running alongside each other so I literally am getting a stupid amount of warnings with ANYTHING I do. The doohickey doesn't work on any browser because of all this bloody software going mental about it, he has them all set to strict and password protected, gah!!

    Spent 20 minutes just scanning a picture to show you all because of all this crap...

  • the Blue Orange Lion28/04/2009 at 12:13

    I think this is a lot of doo doo, to be honest. I’ll believe it when I see it.

    the same...

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 12:17

    Im stuck on my brother's PC for a few hours till I go collect my laptop... this is an embarrassment to have. He has about 7 antivirus and firewall softwares (seriously, 7) all running alongside each other so I literally am getting a stupid amount of warnings with ANYTHING I do. The doohickey doesn't work on any browser because of all this bloody software going mental about it, he has them all set to strict and password protected, gah!!

    He's paranoid! And you should never run 2 antivirus software at the same time - never mind 7! They'll just conflict with each other and eat up your processing time.

  • the Blue Orange Lion28/04/2009 at 12:22

    He has about 7 antivirus and firewall softwares

    How on Earth did he manage to install all that? I get mad once a year when I have to install new Norton Antivirus (seems to work better than other things). I sometimes feel all these antivurus companies are writing all these bugs and viruses themselves just to make us spend money on their products.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 12:35

    Im stuck on my brother's PC for a few hours till I go collect my laptop... this is an embarrassment to have. He has about 7 antivirus and firewall softwares (seriously, 7) all running alongside each other so I literally am getting a stupid amount of warnings with ANYTHING I do. The doohickey doesn't work on any browser because of all this bloody software going mental about it, he has them all set to strict and password protected, gah!!

    He's paranoid! And you should never run 2 antivirus software at the same time - never mind 7! They'll just conflict with each other and eat up your processing time.

    I have to see that pic!

    My Mother in Law uses Norman Sandbox because she paid for some security pack - it basically kills the computer! Basically rendered unusable!

  • me28/04/2009 at 12:39

    My Mother in Law uses Norman Sandbox because she paid for some security pack - it basically kills the computer! Basically rendered unusable!

    kinda like norton anti-productivity suite then :)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 12:43

    I'll have to upload it tonight when I get my laptop back Gavin. Just getting to comment now has taken 10 minutes... *clenches stress ball*

    All it is are my doodles from Uni today. It's kinda wayyyyyyyy over the top though... there is literally no more space on the A4 I had to draw on...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 12:57

    My Mother in Law uses Norman Sandbox because she paid for some security pack - it basically kills the computer! Basically rendered unusable!

    kinda like norton anti-productivity suite then :)

    Yes. I'm loving the Newey-hickey BTW :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 12:59

    Just been listening to Jenson's Bahrain diary. He reveals:

    1. He's getting a house in Bahrain in a couple of months.

    2. He suffered from clutch slip off the line at the start

    3. He gained 14k's on the front straight when sizing up Lewis into Turn 1.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 13:00

    Just been listening to Jenson's Bahrain diary. He reveals:

    1. He's getting a house in Bahrain in a couple of months.

    2. He suffered from clutch slip off the line at the start

    3. He gained 14k's on the front straight when sizing up Lewis into Turn 1.

    Hmm Bahrain. Must've seen Buemi's crib!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 13:01

    Hmm Bahrain. Must've seen Buemi's crib!

    Haha! 14Ks! He got on Lewis' slipstream and took advantage of his KERS too. ;)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 13:07

    Newly uploaded on Flickr, but it's from Australia 2008:

    Dannii and Jules - Partners In Crime

    :D

  • me28/04/2009 at 13:10

    Newly uploaded on Flickr, but it's from Australia 2008:

    seems that user is just uploading a bunch of f1-live images?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 13:15

    Newly uploaded on Flickr, but it's from Australia 2008:

    seems that user is just uploading a bunch of f1-live images?

    As in 'stuff the copyright infringement'?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 13:15

    As in 'stuff the copyright infringement'?

    Haha! If that's true, uh-oh...

  • me28/04/2009 at 13:16

    As in 'stuff the copyright infringement'?

    as in, doesn't appear understand the first thing about copyright infringement.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 13:38

    Next SidePodMeet-up (affiliates) opportunity is under review for June

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 13:39

    Next SidePodMeet-up (affiliates) opportunity is under review for June

    :D

    Le Mans?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 13:40

    Next SidePodMeet-up (affiliates) opportunity is under review for June

    Ooh, what's this?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 13:43

    Ooh, what's this?

    Its from Bassano's earlier comment .. think it's to do with one of his trips abread though

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 13:43

    Ooh, what's this?

    Mind you, we could organise the friday trip to FOS at Goodwood?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 13:45

    Mind you, we could organise the friday trip to FOS at Goodwood?

    Mind you its £33 per day for a general admission ticket

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 13:45

    http://www.goodwood.co.uk/site/content/festivalofspeed/Welcome.aspx

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 13:46

    I obviously have a problem with the phrase mind you :doh:

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 13:47

    Or mabe .. I'm just trying to make it to next month's top 5

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 13:52

    Or mabe .. I'm just trying to make it to next month's top 5

    You're well on your way. :P

  • Sean Golding28/04/2009 at 13:55

    Dylan Moran. Very funny man.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:03

    Finally saw the BBC Bahrain coverage. Pretty good. And yep, Ray Charles was singing at the end. :D

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:06

    anyone willing to hazzard a guess to what penalty McLaren will get tomorrow?

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 14:07

    anyone willing to hazzard a guess to what penalty McLaren will get tomorrow?

    I'm scared.

    (and I fixed my internet)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:07

    anyone willing to hazzard a guess to what penalty McLaren will get tomorrow?

    Suspended race ban, hefty fine. Maybe a minor points deduction.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:08

    I'm scared.

    (and I fixed my internet)

    Yay! You're back! :) Any penalty will be imposed on McLaren as a constructor. No penalties to the drivers - except for the suspended race bans.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:08

    so you think it's just a suspended ban?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:09

    I'm scared.

    (and I fixed my internet)

    cool :D

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:10

    cool :D

    well, not cool that you are scared, of course

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 14:10

    anyone willing to hazzard a guess to what penalty McLaren will get tomorrow?

    A good lashing?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:11

    A good lashing?

    Haha

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:11

    so you think it's just a suspended ban?

    Yup - and a hefty fine. A points deduction is also very much possible, but will probably only apply to constructor points, not driver points - ala Spygate.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 14:12

    so you think it's just a suspended ban?

    Yup - and a hefty fine. A points deduction is also very much possible, but will probably only apply to constructor points, not driver points - ala Spygate.

    Agreed.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 14:12

    well, not cool that you are scared, of course

    I just wish it was a team I don't support for once. But noooo, it's always McLaren.

    What do you think are our chances of this being the last lame distracting political F1 event of the season? I think 0%

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:13

    so you think it's just a suspended ban?

    they'll have to be fined something, if only to cover the costs of convening the meeting.

    aside from that though, they'll probably have to make a public apology and no more will be done. ron's gone. mission accomplished.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:14

    Agreed.

    I think nothing will happen to the drivers. A fine would send out the wrong message when Max wants to cut costs so I think a points deduction of WCC points

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:14

    I think nothing will happen to the drivers. A fine would send out the wrong message when Max wants to cut costs so I think a points deduction of WCC points

    problem with the deduction of constructors points, is it also hurts mercedes, and then had nothing to do with anything.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:15

    I just wish it was a team I don't support for once. But noooo, it's always McLaren.

    What do you think are our chances of this being the last lame distracting political F1 event of the season? I think 0%

    I think you are right

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:15

    I think nothing will happen to the drivers. A fine would send out the wrong message when Max wants to cut costs so I think a points deduction of WCC points

    For Max, cutting costs is fining a team $10 million instead of $100 million. Times are a-changing! :D

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 14:15

    problem with the deduction of constructors points, is it also hurts mercedes, and then had nothing to do with anything.

    neither did Heikki, so I hope the punishment evades him.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:16

    problem with the deduction of constructors points, is it also hurts mercedes, and then had nothing to do with anything.

    they had nothing to do with spygate, either, but they got excluded anyway. that's a lot worse than the current situation, since merc engines are powering the brawns too.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:18

    they had nothing to do with spygate, either, but they got excluded anyway. that's a lot worse than the current situation, since merc engines are powering the brawns too.

    there's an argument that says, said dossier contained ferrari engine data too. that could've / would've helped mercedes. this doesn't involve them at all.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:19

    i do wonder if max wouldn't like the idea of pushing mercedes into the arms of brawn though.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:25

    i do wonder if max wouldn't like the idea of pushing mercedes into the arms of brawn though.

    Why wouldn't Mercedes want to support Brawn, they are doing well and there is a feelgood factor about Brawn thats currently lacking at McLaren

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:26

    Why wouldn't Mercedes want to support Brawn, they are doing well and there is a feelgood factor about Brawn thats currently lacking at McLaren

    the should, and maybe they will. how else are they going to get a talent like brawn?

    i just think it might make max's day if that happened. even more so if he was the architect of it.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:27

    the should, and maybe they will. how else are they going to get a talent like brawn?

    not maybe - they definitely will. right now, brawn is their best chance at winning a constructors title for the first time since 98.

    i just think it might make max's day if that happened. even more so if he was the architect of it.

    trust me, it will. ;)

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 14:27

    trust me, it will. ;)

    and then McLaren can become the new Williams :(

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:28

    not maybe - they definitely will. right now, brawn is their best chance at winning a constructors title for the first time since 98.

    that's short term thinking though. next year brawn maybe nowhere.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:29

    and then McLaren can become the new Williams :(

    That depends on how Whitmarsh does - and if they can keep Lewis. At this point, if McLaren want to survive without Mercedes, they'd have to attract a big name - like old-school Mercedes rival Audi, perhaps...

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:29

    and then McLaren can become the new Williams :(

    mclaren have a much better business plan than williams did. although with the hybrid technology frank is finally getting it.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:30

    that's short term thinking though. next year brawn maybe nowhere.

    i don't think so - not with virgin money and merc input - and when has a team with ross brawn in it ever been off the pace?

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 14:30

    mclaren have a much better business plan than williams did. although with the hybrid technology frank is finally getting it.

    I'm reading a fantastic book at the moment with lots of stories of the early days of these teams, it's a good reminder that they've come through bad times before.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:31

    mclaren have a much better business plan than williams did. although with the hybrid technology frank is finally getting it.

    is it too little, too late though for Williams? all that hybrid tech is useless with standardized or banned KERS next year. his best hope now is the budget cap.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:32

    i don't think so - not with virgin money and merc input - and when has a team with ross brawn in it ever been off the pace?

    last year... honda!

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:33

    is it too little, too late though for Williams? all that hybrid tech is useless with standardized or banned KERS next year. his best hope now is the budget cap.

    banning kers requires a unanimous agreement, right? frank has x2 vote.

    i'm thinking about outside of f1 though, something that ron gets, but frank has been less interested in.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:33

    banning kers requires a unanimous agreement, right? frank has x2 vote.

    x1 sorry.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 14:33

    last year... honda!

    I was going to say that but he inherited that Lemon

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:33

    last year... honda!

    that was year 1! :P he had no input in the design of the car, and he knew that - which is why he duly dumped 08 and focused on 09. even then, he managed to get them a podium they had no business getting.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:34

    banning kers requires a unanimous agreement, right? frank has x2 vote.

    why x2?

    i'm thinking about outside of f1 though, something that ron gets, but frank has been less interested in.

    frank was never really interested in it, and i don't think he'll ever be. ron is a racer and a businessman, frank is a racer through and through.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:36

    that was year 1! :P he had no input in the design of the car, and he knew that - which is why he duly dumped 08 and focused on 09. even then, he managed to get them a podium they had no business getting.

    i'm just not convinced by brackley's ability to land sponsors. earth dream came about because they couldn't do it and still with a massive lead over the competition and wins under their belts... where the hell is the money?

    so far, branson... possibly.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:37

    frank was never really interested in it, and i don't think he'll ever be. ron is a racer and a businessman, frank is a racer through and through.

    disagree. hybrid technology is all about the business.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:38

    disagree. hybrid technology is all about the business.

    nope - it was always about F1. had there been no KERS, would he have bought it? no way.

    and if it was indeed being run as a business, why haven't we heard anything about it yet?

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 14:38

    Afternoon all, how are we?

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:39

    and if it was indeed being run as a business, why haven't we heard anything about it yet?

    i'll throw that right back at ya. if it was about the racing... why haven't they raced it yet?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:39

    i'm just not convinced by brackley's ability to land sponsors. earth dream came about because they couldn't do it and still with a massive lead over the competition and wins under their belts... where the hell is the money?

    ask nick fry - that's still his job. :P

    so far, branson... possibly.

    that's more or less a certainty now, i'd think. he was in bahrain today, so there must be at least some progress in that deal. remember, there is still a possibility of a virgin buy-out, so if that is true, that may explain why there are few other sponsors.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:40

    i'll throw that right back at ya. if it was about the racing... why haven't they raced it yet?

    because it's not worth running it. ask BMW, Ferrari, and Renault. at this point, with KERS getting standardized next year anyway, they have to focus their limited funding to develop other parts of the car.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:40

    ask nick fry - that's still his job. :P

    and that's why brawn may not be successful next year.

    that's more or less a certainty now, i'd think.

    sure, but right now... it's not.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:41

    because it's not worth running it. ask BMW, Ferrari, and Renault.

    yes it is, ask lewis.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:41

    Afternoon all, how are we?

    just putting the world to rights. yourself?

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 14:41

    yes it is, ask lewis.

    And Piquet!!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:41

    and that's why brawn may not be successful next year.

    maybe, but with a budget cap looming, this probably won't play as big a role as we think it is right now. and remember, the money branson is paying now isn't being used for 2009, it's being saved for 2010. this is still a fully-funded honda operation.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:42

    yes it is, ask lewis.

    he's the only guy who can make it work without any problems. how about the rest? he's the exception, not the rule.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 14:42

    And Piquet!!

    and Rubens' hand?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:42

    And Piquet!!

    Oooh... :P

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 14:43

    just putting the world to rights. yourself?

    Playing Rainbow Six, killing some terrorists. So I guess I'm also putting the world to rights, just in a more direct way.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:43

    and Rubens' hand?

    Piquet may be able to use it defensively, but he hasn't made much use of it to overtake. And Flavio wants it gone anyway.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:43

    he's the only guy who can make it work without any problems. how about the rest? he's the exception, not the rule.

    hekki made it work just fine in china?

    kimi wouldn't have been in the points without it last weekend.

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 14:44

    Rosberg wants KERS too. His post-race quotes basically said that even with a really good start it was hopeless trying to keep any places off the grid with KERS cars around.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:44

    Piquet may be able to use it defensively, but he hasn't made much use of it to overtake. And Flavio wants it gone anyway.

    kers is hugely important. and you're wrong if you think otherwise.

    the teams without it are just about surviving, but all drivers want it. really want it.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:44

    kimi wouldn't have been in the points without it last weekend.

    i'd argue it's cost him more points than it's given him. had to switch it off in malaysia, wrecked his car's balance in australia, was of little or no benefit to him in china.

    hekki made it work just fine in china?

    perhaps, but it was no good for him in bahrain.

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 14:46

    i'd argue it's cost him more points than it's given him. had to switch it off in malaysia, wrecked his car's balance in australia, was of little or no benefit to him in china.

    Theirs may be unreliable but Ferrari admit without it they have nothing.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 14:47

    Theirs may be unreliable but Ferrari admit without it they have nothing.

    Exactly, after one race without it Felipe was demanding he have it for the next one.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:47

    the teams without it are just about surviving, but all drivers want it. really want it.

    Let's see the Constructors Standings.

    Brawn - no KERS

    RBR - no KERS

    Toyota - no KERS

    McLaren - KERS

    Renault - KERS (sometimes)

    BMW - KERS (sometimes)

    Combined scores:

    non-KERS: 104

    KERS: 22

    I wouldn't call that 'just about surviving'.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:48

    Exactly, after one race without it Felipe was demanding he have it for the next one.

    Then it duly cost him a result in Bahrain. Ah, the irony of it all.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:48

    Steven Roy, where are you when I need you? :P

    I guess this was how he felt during the whole refuelling debate... :D

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:50

    I wouldn't call that 'just about surviving'.

    the cars with the most advanced kers systems, are lacking in aero, so that chart tells you nothing.

    on track the kers drivers have an advantage. ferrari would be nowhere without it, renault too. bmw, are suffering from a general lack of development. lewis however likely wouldn't have scored a point without it.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 14:50

    Brawn - no KERS

    RBR - no KERS

    Toyota - no KERS

    McLaren - KERS

    Renault - KERS (sometimes)

    BMW - KERS (sometimes)

    But the KERS teams have had other problems downforce etc, for the most part their KERS systems have worked, particualy McLaren.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:51

    I guess this was how he felt during the whole refuelling debate... :D

    you're wrong about that too ;)

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:51

    But the KERS teams have had other problems downforce etc, for the most part their KERS systems have worked, particualy McLaren.

    exactly.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 14:52

    on track the kers drivers have an advantage. ferrari would be nowhere without it, renault too. bmw, are suffering from a general lack of development. lewis however likely wouldn't have scored a point without it.

    Exactly, lets face it without KERS Lewis would have been no way near Trulli in Australia and would have avoided liegate. :P

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:53

    But the KERS teams have had other problems downforce etc, for the most part their KERS ... have worked, particualy McLaren.

    It's worked for McLaren, that's true to an extent (it works for Lewis but not as well for Heikki). But we've seen tons of KERS-related issues, not all related to reliability. Kubica struggled with it when he tried running it in China and Bahrain. Raikkonen and Massa have both had their KERS fail.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:53

    Exactly, lets face it without KERS Lewis would have been no way near Trulli in Australia and would have avoided liegate. :P

    Given how the cars fell off and the number of SCs we got, he still would've been right with Trulli. You have to consider that without KERS, there's more free ballast to move around, so it's easier to hit the right car balance.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:53

    It's worked for McLaren, that's true to an extent (it works for Lewis but not as well for Heikki). But we've seen tons of KERS-related issues, not all related to reliability. Kubica struggled with it when he tried running it in China and Bahrain. Raikkonen and Massa have both had their KERS fail.

    so why do all the drivers want it? because they're helpless without it.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:54

    you're wrong about that too ;)

    funny how me and steven roy end up siding with each other on such big issues against the rest of you lot. :P

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 14:54

    It's worked for McLaren, that's true to an extent (it works for Lewis but not as well for Heikki). But we've seen tons of KERS-related issues, not all related to reliability. Kubica struggled with it when he tried running it in China and Bahrain. Raikkonen and Massa have both had their KERS fail.

    That's to do with bad KERS systems rather than KERS being bad (if that makes sense). Ferrari with KERS are bad, Ferrari without KERS are terrible.

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 14:55

    It's worked for McLaren, that's true to an extent (it works for Lewis but not as well for Heikki). But we've seen tons of KERS-related issues, not all related to reliability. Kubica struggled with it when he tried running it in China and Bahrain. Raikkonen and Massa have both had their KERS fail.

    But it is cutting edge technology and F1 is trying to make it smaller, lighter, faster. There's bound to be reliability issues. When it works, though, and it will work more and more, it leaves the drivers without out for dust.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 14:55

    It's worked for McLaren, that's true to an extent (it works for Lewis but not as well for Heikki). But we've seen tons of KERS-related issues, not all related to reliability. Kubica struggled with it when he tried running it in China and Bahrain. Raikkonen and Massa have both had their KERS fail.

    McLaren have the best KERS system, hence no failures. Yet.

    Kubica's weight is the biggest problem, and Heidfield has been using it without issue. BMW's problem is they haven't worked on their car and are relying on the Spain updates.

    Ferrari's KERS I guess is the exception.

    Why have teams develop their own KERS this year only to standardise it the year after?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:55

    so why do all the drivers want it? because they're helpless without it.

    but if they were to choose between improved aero or KERS, they'd pick the aero in a heartbeat. They're only choosing KERS because it's the short-term fix to be competitive. The better long-term fix is to improve their aero. Brawn, Red Bull, and Toyota will stay competitive even without KERS.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 14:56

    Given how the cars fell off and the number of SCs we got, he still would've been right with Trulli. You have to consider that without KERS, there's more free ballast to move around, so it's easier to hit the right car balance.

    It was a joke :P

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:56

    That's to do with bad KERS systems rather than KERS being bad (if that makes sense). Ferrari with KERS are bad, Ferrari without KERS are terrible.

    Kimi was doing fine without KERS in Sepang until they called him in for wets...

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:57

    quick ad-hoc poll then.

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers?

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 14:57

    this week am looking to get the post content appear in a lightbox, so there's still an opportunity to read and refer to blog posts, without leaving doohickey.

    Oooh :)

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 14:57

    The KERS team suffered because they developed KERS rather than focus on the aero as the non-KERS teams have.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:58

    But it is cutting edge technology and F1 is trying to make it smaller, lighter, faster. There's bound to be reliability issues. When it works, though, and it will work more and more, it leaves the drivers without out for dust.

    No, it won't - they'll all have standardized KERS next year, anyway. And those teams with advanced KERS will still have to fix their aero.

    Force India were supposed to start using McLaren's KERS by Spain - one wonders why they haven't officially confirmed it yet.

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 14:58

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers?

    Yes, but not by choice.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 14:58

    Afternoon all

    this week am looking to get the post content appear in a lightbox, so there's still an opportunity to read and refer to blog posts, without leaving doohickey.

    Sounds like the deathbed for the lclt.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:58

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers?

    yes - by choice. it's almost may and we haven't heard a peep about it from the non-kers teams.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 14:58

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers?

    I don't think Brawn will run KERS at any point this year. Williams and Toyota will probably join the KERS gang possible Red Bull/Torro Rosso.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 14:59

    so why do all the drivers want it? because they're helpless without it.

    Look at Piquet - even with his rubbishness he was able to hold off Barrichello who was in a much faster car for two laps! That fight completely justifies KERS because had Barrichello been able to use it he would have killed him!

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 14:59

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers?

    Brawn.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 14:59

    yes - by choice. it's almost may and we haven't heard a peep about it from the non-kers teams.

    would be ironic though - if Brawn do indeed pick up KERS, they'll probably use Macca's system - which is the best of the lot right now...

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 14:59

    No, it won't - they'll all have standardized KERS next year, anyway. And those teams with advanced KERS will still have to fix their aero.

    Ah ok, I was talking about this year. To me, standard parts are a completely different matter.

  • me28/04/2009 at 14:59

    Sounds like the deathbed for the lclt.

    noooo. lclt upgrades coming soon and they doth rock!

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 15:00

    noooo. lclt upgrades coming soon and they doth rock!

    They really do.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 15:00

    would be ironic though - if Brawn do indeed pick up KERS, they'll probably use Macca's system - which is the best of the lot right now...

    Can the Brawn car fit KERS, I thought they couldn't?

  • RG28/04/2009 at 15:00

    noooo. lclt upgrades coming soon and they doth rock!

    yay. If it gets mr c saying doth rock, they must be really good

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:00

    Can the Brawn car fit KERS, I thought they couldn't?

    It can, but they won't - I think they took KERS into consideration because they started working on their car so early.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:02

    It can, but they won't - I think they took KERS into consideration because they started working on their car so early.

    are you kidding? honda was the first team to run kers on a formula 1 car. they have more development experience than anyone else. did that information just fall out of their heads?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 15:04

    quick ad-hoc poll then.

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers?

    I was under the impression that Toyota and Brawn both were not going to use KERS this year? Maybe toyota might, but if Brawn stay in front they may not bother with it...

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 15:04

    The teams who developed KERS have shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. Spent all that money only on research and developement only for standardised KERS the year after.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:04

    are you kidding? honda was the first team to run kers on a formula 1 car. they have more development experience than anyone else. did that information just fall out of their heads?

    they've tested it more than anyone else, yet decided not to run it anyway, and don't look like running it anytime soon. there MUST be a very good reason for that.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:04

    The teams who developed KERS have shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. Spent all that money only on research and developement only for standardised KERS the year after.

    Agreed.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:04

    I was under the impression that Toyota and Brawn both were not going to use KERS this year? Maybe toyota might, but if Brawn stay in front they may not bother with it...

    i would put good money on a very fed up rubens barichello badgering ross brawn for kers right now.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 15:04

    The teams who developed KERS have shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. Spent all that money only on research and developement only for standardised KERS the year after.

    Agreed.

    So much for costing cutting :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:05

    are you kidding? honda was the first team to run kers on a formula 1 car. they have more development experience than anyone else. did that information just fall out of their heads?

    I wonder if they still have access to it? Or did Honda take it with them when they left? Wouldn't have thought so since they only took the company itself out of F1 and not the factory.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 15:05

    The teams who developed KERS have shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. Spent all that money only on research and developement only for standardised KERS the year after.

    Surely the teams can't be that stupid then?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:05

    I wonder if they still have access to it? Or did Honda take it with them when they left? Wouldn't have thought so since they only took the company itself out of F1 and not the factory.

    they still have it with them.

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 15:05

    they've tested it more than anyone else, yet decided not to run it anyway, and don't look like running it anytime soon. there MUST be a very good reason for that.

    Remember that they had to shoehorn a new engine into the car at the last minute. KERS will have fallen down the priority list a bit.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 15:06

    So much for costing cutting :D

    Cost cutting.

    I apologise for my spelling failing so badly.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:06

    Surely the teams can't be that stupid then?

    no one saw standardized kers coming. blame it on max.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:06

    So much for costing cutting

    The budget cap that's being proposed can realistically go to as much as $80million if they wanted to. It might seem like a lot, but it's only 1/3 of the budgets pretty much everyone is using now.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:06

    they still have it with them.

    Why not use it then? They've probably been working on that system as long as their car.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:06

    Remember that they had to shoehorn a new engine into the car at the last minute. KERS will have fallen down the priority list a bit.

    so now the engine is in - they should at least be discussing the possibility of running it by now. not even a peep from them on it.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:07

    they've tested it more than anyone else, yet decided not to run it anyway, and don't look like running it anytime soon. there MUST be a very good reason for that.

    because ross brawn does one thing very well. he's makes reliable cars. he has systems and processes that make sure that every car is reliable as it can be.

    kers will undoubtedly come. mclaren have more pre-season aero data than any other team. if they catch brawn and have a decent kers system. what's ross gonna do?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:07

    Why not use it then? They've probably been working on that system as long as their car.

    as chris said, they've had to shoehorn a new engine in - KERS directly connects to the engine.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 15:07

    I was under the impression that Toyota and Brawn both were not going to use KERS this year? Maybe toyota might, but if Brawn stay in front they may not bother with it...

    i would put good money on a very fed up rubens barichello badgering ross brawn for kers right now.

    Doesn't mean anything if Brawn have no money left to make a major development of the car...

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:08

    as chris said, they've had to shoehorn a new engine in - KERS directly connects to the engine.

    So I guess a redesign of the system to fit it in would take a considerable amount of time and money.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:08

    Doesn't mean anything if Brawn have no money left to make a major development of the car...

    i'm pretty sure they have a fully developed kers system already.

    we heard them running it at the silverstone test last summer. it was already working back then.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:08

    kers will undoubtedly come. mclaren have more pre-season aero data than any other team. if they catch brawn and have a decent kers system. what's ross gonna do?

    assuming they DO catch ross. that's not a given at this point.

    and remember, kers isn't a no-brainer. you have to sacrifice a lot of ballast to get that in - and it will probably take away the brawn's ability to take care of its tyres. i still think they won't run it.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 15:08

    no one saw standardized kers coming. blame it on max.

    Fair enough then.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 15:08

    I may be two days late but I'm finally watching the Bahrain forum :D

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:09

    assuming they DO catch ross. that's not a given at this point.

    true.

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 15:09

    I feel for Red Bull they get Renault's KERS and Torro Rosso would get Ferarri's :D

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:09

    I may be two days late but I'm finally watching the Bahrain forum :D

    haha! just watched it today myself.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 15:10

    I may be two days late but I'm finally watching the Bahrain forum :D

    I still haven't seen it. Hopefully I'll get time before the champions league match tonight but I haven't seen Match of the Day yet either...

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:12

    I still haven't seen it. Hopefully I'll get time before the champions league match tonight but I haven't seen Match of the Day yet either...

    tonight already?! who's up tonight?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 15:13

    tonight already?! who's up tonight?

    Chelsea vs. Barcelona

  • RG28/04/2009 at 15:13

    tonight already?! who's up tonight?

    Barcelona and Chelsea.

    Usless competition anyway...

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:14

    Useless competition anyway...

    Why useless? ;)

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 15:14

    Just want to say the new doohickey works much better here at Uni whilst I'm in a lecture :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 15:14

    Usless competition anyway...

    How so?

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:15

    Just want to say the new doohickey works much better here at Uni whilst I'm in a lecture :D

    oh dear!

  • RG28/04/2009 at 15:15

    Why useless?

    If there is a competiton when Newcastle United have been in the Champs League more times then Spurs, then its useless

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 15:18

    oh dear!

    also works much better here in bed when I should be asleep :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 15:18

    If there is a competiton when Newcastle United have been in the Champs League more times then Spurs, then its useless

    Typical. Well, you're going to miss out on a great gametonight then!

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 15:18

    Just want to say the new doohickey works much better here at Uni whilst I'm in a lecture :D

    oh dear!

    It isn't that intresting so not having that bad of an effect :P

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 15:18

    are you kidding? honda was the first team to run kers on a formula 1 car. they have more development experience than anyone else. did that information just fall out of their heads?

    I was under the impression that Honda did have that information but those people still work for Honda not Brawn as they were part of the engine development team. Just like the McLaren KERS is actually the Mercedes KERS.

    And my guess is that Mercedes KERS isn't in the same place as the Honda's one would have been. And changing it isn't trivial during a testing ban. And Brawn doesn't have a lot of money.

    Mercedes might be keener to do the work for them though - but I thought we'd heard it couldn't be easily adapted.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 15:19

    Typical. Well, you're going to miss out on a great gametonight then!

    I'll still watch it though. It is football.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:25

    And my guess is that Mercedes KERS isn't in the same place as the Honda's one would have been. And changing it isn't trivial during a testing ban. And Brawn doesn't have a lot of money.

    Mr C said they already ran it at the first Barca test. Are you sure on that, Mr C?

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:28

    Mr C said they already ran it at the first Barca test. Are you sure on that, Mr C?

    i didn't say that. i said silverstone last summer.

    i was there, however, i didn't see a kers device, but other teams suggested the strange noise the honda was making was a result of earlier kers trials.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 15:30

    i was there, however, i didn't see a kers device, but other teams suggested the strange noise the honda was making was a result of earlier kers trials.

    I recall Ant saying on one of his commentaries that he had tested a car with KERS

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:30

    I recall Ant saying on one of his commentaries that he had tested a car with KERS

    he did too. good memory.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:30

    i was there, however, i didn't see a kers device, but other teams suggested the strange noise the honda was making was a result of earlier kers trials.

    oh... if that's the case, then Brawn may not have much of a KERS to fit in. not that they're hurting right now for it...

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 15:35

    oh... if that's the case, then Brawn may not have much of a KERS to fit in. not that they're hurting right now for it...

    Exactly. I know the drivers will be asking for it. But Brawn is actually quite cautious I think.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:36

    oh... if that's the case, then Brawn may not have much of a KERS to fit in. not that they're hurting right now for it...

    honda were also the first team to turn up in the pitlane with the big red/green warning domes sitting atop the roll hoop.

    i can't find a pic but lou will remember them. bmw have since copied the idea, by honda were months ahead.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:36

    Ross Brawn already made it clear that his team weren't in a hurry to adopt KERS on their car and would only take into consideration at a later date. So if they are going to run it, it won't be until much later in the season.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:36

    i can't find a pic but lou will remember them. bmw have since copied the idea, by honda were months ahead.

    i remember it too. you used it on one of your KERS articles.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 15:37

    i can't find a pic but lou will remember them. bmw have since copied the idea, by honda were months ahead.

    Honda had already developed and track-tested its KERS system last year, using a flywheel system developed in conjunction with Flybrid. Unlike any other team, this was to be a pure flywheel solution mounted inside the front of the fuel tank, running off the front of the engine. This would not have required the same cooling and complex packaging demands as the electric or flywheel\electric solutions seen on its rivals.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73700

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:37

    Ross Brawn already made it clear that his team weren't in a hurry to adopt KERS on their car and would only take into consideration at a later date. So if they are going to run it, it won't be until much later in the season.

    And that's a BIG if.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:37

    Exactly. I know the drivers will be asking for it. But Brawn is actually quite cautious I think.

    my guess is it will depend on the next race. if brawn are still ahead after all the updates then it'll be less of an issue.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:37

    my guess is it will depend on the next race. if brawn are still ahead after all the updates then it'll be less of an issue.

    agreed.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:38

    Also just read a story which included Brawn saying the only reason they went for Merc engines and not Ferrari is because the Merc engine actually fitted into the car and the Ferrari unit didn't.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:39

    Also just read a story which included Brawn saying the only reason they went for Merc engines and not Ferrari is because the Merc engine actually fitted into the car and the Ferrari unit didn't.

    Ooooh... In retrospect, that may have proved to be a good decision in terms of the horses in the engine.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:40

    Ooooh... In retrospect, that may have proved to be a good decision in terms of the horses in the engine.

    Well I say the Ferrari engine didn't fit when what I actually ment was the Merc unit fitted easier than Ferrari's did, so going with MB was the logical option.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:41

    Well I say the Ferrari engine didn’t fit when what I actually ment was the Merc unit fitted easier than Ferrari’s did, so going with MB was the logical option.

    AND that they'd decided on the engine around Christmas time last year!

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:41

    AND that they'd decided on the engine around Christmas time last year!

    That makes sense - the engine was ready long before the MBO was finalized.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:43

    Back with KERS, Brawn said that the system was the last thing on their mind when they were getting the car ready, which I can understand when it was a race against time to get the car fully functioning and track tested before Melbourne.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:44

    found it. i heart drop.io.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:45

    and here's the sister image. those were uploaded around the time of the italian gp.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:46

    Just reading another story saying that if Brawn want KERS, they WILL have to buy it from McLaren.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:46

    Just reading another story saying that if Brawn want KERS, they WILL have to buy it from McLaren.

    do they give reasons?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:47

    Just reading another story saying that if Brawn want KERS, they WILL have to buy it from McLaren.

    so the 2008 one they developed is useless now. but McLaren's KERS is the best one out there right now, so it's not all bad.

  • Jon Waldock28/04/2009 at 15:47

    Just reading another story saying that if Brawn want KERS, they WILL have to buy it from McLaren.

    It dosent surprise me, they have to pay for their engines, so would be hte ssame for other stuff too.

    Howdy all :) how is everyone? :D

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:48

    It dosent surprise me, they have to pay for their engines, so would be hte ssame for other stuff too.

    What's surprising is that they can't use the one they developed themselves anymore.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:48

    Oh, bloody brilliant...

    http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12892&Itemid=219

    I know it's GMM, but...

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:50

    Another GMM:

    http://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12894&Itemid=219

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 15:50

    and here's the sister image. those were uploaded around the time of the italian gp.

    I like

    this third option as well. Possibly fitting for Ferrari.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:51

    I like

    this third option as well. Possibly fitting for Ferrari.

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:51

    I like this third option as well. Possibly fitting for Ferrari.

    Hehehe

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:52

    What's surprising is that they can't use the one they developed themselves anymore.

    until scott finds a source, it's not the case.

    our understanding is the flybrid system fits to the drive shaft, not the engine.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 15:53

    Hullo again everyone, back on laptop =]

    As I was saying earlier, my 3 hour lecture this morning resulted in once again a series of doodles that happily took up my time :)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:53

    our understanding is the flybrid system fits to the drive shaft, not the engine.

    Isn't Brawn also using McLaren's driveshaft ala Force India?

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 15:53

    As I was saying earlier, my 3 hour lecture this morning resulted in once again a series of doodles that happily took up my time :)

    I heart 5 pints of Awesome Man.

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:53

    As I was saying earlier, my 3 hour lecture this morning resulted in once again a series of doodles that happily took up my time :)

    lemmings!

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:54

    Isn't Brawn also using McLaren's driveshaft ala Force India?

    no.

  • Mattw28/04/2009 at 15:56

    our understanding is the flybrid system fits to the drive shaft, not the engine.

    Even worse for weight distribution :(

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:57

    Even worse for weight distribution :(

    yup, well the flywheel can be positioned anywhere. but it's additional weight at the rear.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 15:58

    until scott finds a source, it's not the case.

    What I meant was that if Brawn want it, they'll have to pay more to McLaren to be able to use. Can't see a reason in the story I found it in though. Only thing I can find which is close to a reason is that it mentions Brawn's agreement with Merc to be for engines only.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 15:58

    As I was saying earlier, my 3 hour lecture this morning resulted in once again a series of doodles that happily took up my time :)

    I like Flavio Snailatore :D

  • me28/04/2009 at 15:59

    What I meant was that if Brawn want it, they'll have to pay more to McLaren to be able to use. Can't see a reason in the story I found it in though. Only thing I can find which is close to a reason is that it mentions Brawn's agreement with Merc to be for engines only.

    ahh, right. yes, that i agree with.

    that assumes macca want to sell it to them though.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 15:59

    that assumes macca want to sell it to them though.

    I don't see a reason why they wouldn't.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:00

    that assumes macca want to sell it to them though.

    But doesn't that give the impression that they just want the money for it rather than help out Brawn?

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:01

    I don't see a reason why they wouldn't.

    because if brawn don't have kers, mclaren might stand a chance of catching / beating them.

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:01

    But doesn't that give the impression that they just want the money for it rather than help out Brawn?

    why would they want to help brawn? they wanted help them stay in the championship when there was a chance they'd have to run three cars. why would they want to help them beat them??

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:02

    because if brawn don't have kers, mclaren might stand a chance of catching / beating them.

    But isn't McLaren's problem with the car a lack of downforce rather than if Brawn has a KERS system or not?

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:02

    why would they want to help brawn? they wanted help them stay in the championship when there was a chance they'd have to run three cars. why would they want to help them beat them??

    that sounds like something ferrari would do, not mclaren. ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:02

    why would they want to help brawn? they wanted help them stay in the championship when there was a chance they'd have to run three cars. why would they want to help them beat them??

    Exactly.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 16:03

    I don't see a reason why they wouldn't.

    I can think of 37

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 16:03

    F1 news: Senna film to start shooting in May

    http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9279.html

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:03

    This makes me think - would McLaren still be asking for more money for Brawn to buy their KERS system if it was the former beating the latter instead?

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:04

    that sounds like something ferrari would do, not mclaren. ;)

    what are you lot smoking this afternoon?

    why would martin sit there thinking "that brawn is a nice chap, i wonder if he would like our kers system this weekend?"

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:04

    F1 news: Senna film to start shooting in May http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/4/9279.html

    OOOH! :D

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:04

    I can think of 37

    :D

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:05

    why would martin sit there thinking "that brawn is a nice chap, i wonder if he would like our kers system this weekend?"

    if that was his line of thought, then he shouldn't have allowed mercedes to sell their engines to brawn.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 16:06

    if that was his line of thought, then he shouldn't have allowed mercedes to sell their engines to brawn.

    not at all, they could have been another Force India. Engines aren't everything, whereas the only decent KERS system would be quite the advantage.

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:07

    if that was his line of thought, then he shouldn't have allowed mercedes to sell their engines to brawn.

    of course he should. bernie mentioned 'three cars per team to make up the numbers'.

    no team wanted that.

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:07

    not at all, they could have been another Force India. Engines aren't everything, whereas the only decent KERS system would be quite the advantage.

    agreed. no-one expect this kind of performance from brawn.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 16:08

    and i just realised saying KERS system is unnecessary.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:08

    agreed. no-one expect this kind of performance from brawn.

    do you guys honestly think bernie and max will just allow mclaren not to sell their kers to brawn? i really doubt that.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:08

    and i just realised saying KERS system is unnecessary.

    VERY unneccessary.

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:08

    and i just realised saying KERS system is unnecessary.

    ;)

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:09

    do you guys honestly think bernie and max will just allow mclaren not to sell their kers to brawn? i really doubt that.

    yes. they cannot force them to.

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:09

    yes. they cannot force them to.

    having said that... i don't think that brawn WANT it!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:09

    and i just realised saying KERS system is unnecessary.

    Whoever heard of a system system? ;)

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 16:09

    do you guys honestly think bernie and max will just allow mclaren not to sell their kers to brawn? i really doubt that.

    McLaren have done more than enough for Brawn already.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:10

    yes. they cannot force them to.

    this is bernie and max we're talking about.

    having said that... i don't think that brawn WANT it!

    on that, i agree with you.

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:10

    McLaren have done more than enough for Brawn already.

    totally. over and above the call of duty. and come to that, so has vijay.

    imagine how he'd feel if brawn got the macca kers?

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:11

    this is bernie and max we're talking about.

    you're wrong journeyer. max and bernie cannot force a team to sell a piece of technology to a competitor. f1 would collapse if that were true.

    not to mention an optional piece of technology.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:13

    having said that... i don't think that brawn WANT it!

    Maybe not entirely. As I mentioned, the system was the last thing on their mind when they were getting the car ready, but they still haven't ruled it out, just decided to consider it at a later date. But if it gets to the situation where they win 3 out of the next 4 races, as they have done already, then there'd be no need for it unless Brawn want to take that risk. Knowing Ross, he's no risk taker.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:14

    imagine how he'd feel if brawn got the macca kers?

    force india are getting the KERS first (possibly as early as Barcelona), so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:14

    force india are getting the KERS first (possibly as early as Barcelona), so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too.

    Source?

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:16

    force india are getting the KERS first (possibly as early as Barcelona), so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too.

    bull****

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:17

    you're wrong journeyer. max and bernie cannot force a team to sell a piece of technology to a competitor. f1 would collapse if that were true.

    how do i explain this...

    there's a reason why max and bernie can and would pressure mclaren to sell their kers to brawn - both are contending for the championship. just because brawn are beating mclaren means that they'll clam up and not sell their kers to brawn anymore. if they're selling it to force india as a customer team, they have to be open to selling to brawn too.

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 16:17

    ervenningh alil :)

    I just didn't want to miss out on the elbow typing fun... ;)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:17

    bull****

    ugh - i have a source for this. just a sec.

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:18

    ugh - i have a source for this. just a sec.

    not the force india thing! this bit:

    "so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too."

  • me28/04/2009 at 16:19

    am ending my part of the conversation right now. your arguments are beyond mental, i shall returneth later.

    bye all.

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 16:19

    "so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too."

    exactly, if they had a deal with Brawn to supply them with an engine, they have fulfilled that. Their deal with FI was for more, so FI get more.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:19

    "so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too."

    oh - i thought you were referring to scott.

    for scott.

    http://www.f1minute.com/2009/03/27/force-india-kers-playing-a-weighting-game/

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:20

    not the force india thing! this bit:

    "so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too."

    I can see where you're coming from - because the Merc deal only includes engines, that doesn't mean Brawn automatically have the right to request Macca's system.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 16:20

    bye all.

    t'ra mr c!

    must read up on what you're all talking about..

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:20

    exactly, if they had a deal with Brawn to supply them with an engine, they have fulfilled that. Their deal with FI was for more, so FI get more.

    their deal with FI was for an engine and a driveshaft - and that's it. So it's still the same scenario between FI and Brawn - if FI can buy it from McLaren, Brawn should be able to buy it too.

    Later, Mr C.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 16:21

    must read up on what you're all talking about..

    that seems like a good idea, no idea what the ec is gannin on.

    (I love you lclt)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:21

    must read up on what you're all talking about..

    We're all arguing over Brawn and McLaren's KERS system. There's a link in there somewhere ;)

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:21

    (I love you lclt)

    :D There's still a reason for it after all...

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:21

    bye all.

    Later, Mr C :)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 16:22

    We're all arguing over Brawn and McLaren's KERS system. There's a link in there somewhere ;)

    Oooh links are always good! :P

    Time to go comment swimming then

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:23

    We're all arguing over Brawn and McLaren's KERS system. There's a link in there somewhere ;)

    We started with whether or not Brawn will need to use KERS, then we moved to the topic of whether McLaren can deny selling their KERS to Brawn should they want it.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:24

    It's times like these I realize why I end up topping the talkative board. Hehe.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:25

    It's times like these I realize why I end up topping the talkative board. Hehe.

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:26

    According to the Doohickey, you're leading on comments today by quite a margin. I now have a chance to pass Mr C now he's gone off ;)

  • Amy28/04/2009 at 16:28

    ooh my alarm goes off in 4 hours, that's me outta here!

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 16:28

    I thought you knew that already - isn’t Dom’s time marked as the world-best time? At least that’s what I saw on the screenshot.

    I'm sure someone in a Formula 3 car has gone faster than that?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:30

    ooh my alarm goes off in 4 hours, that's me outta here!

    Bye Amy! :)

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 16:30

    I'm sure someone in a Formula 3 car has gone faster than that?

    Apparently it's an offline record. In other words, it beats the time that is pre-programmed into the game.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:30

    Apparently it's an offline record. In other words, it beats the time that is pre-programmed into the game.

    Yup.

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 16:33

    Apparently it's an offline record. In other words, it beats the time that is pre-programmed into the game.

    Must have been offline when I did that lap then.

    I think I remember seeing a 1:07 lap being the WR...

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:35

    According to the Doohickey, you're leading on comments today by quite a margin. I now have a chance to pass Mr C now he's gone off ;)

    That would be down to my debate with Mr C and me working from home. :)

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 16:35

    I think I remember seeing a 1:07 lap being the WR...

    yeah, that rings a bell

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:35

    Apparently it's an offline record. In other words, it beats the time that is pre-programmed into the game.

    Oh i see... Makes sense now. :)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 16:36

    Just wondering seeing as games have been brought up, has anyone tried that new New Star GP game you can download for the PC? I know Joe knows about it but it's a brilliant little game...

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:37

    That would be down to my debate with Mr C and me working from home. :)

    Will be sleeping in a bit. Mr C, you can come back now... :D

    But seriously, Lou and Steven Roy *might* slip out of the top 5 today. Paging Scott, RG, and Amy... :D

  • RG28/04/2009 at 16:37

    Just wondering seeing as games have been brought up, has anyone tried that new New Star GP game you can download for the PC? I know Joe knows about it but it's a brilliant little game...

    Have got the demo, nifty little game indeed. Just waiting to be less lazy to fork out the tenner to buy it

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:39

    Just wanted to comment on the Senna documentary:

    It looks very, very interesting - and it has everyone's support. There are lots of Senna docus out there, though - I don't know how this movie will rise above all those. What is that 'something new' they can bring to the table?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 16:39

    Have got the demo, nifty little game indeed. Just waiting to be less lazy to fork out the tenner to buy it

    I played the demo once and just thought 'must.have.this.' Even better now within minutes of buying it last week I found a database with all the right names etc... :)

    Maybe if it drops a pound or two you should totally consider it, horribly addictive when you get the full season :P

  • RG28/04/2009 at 16:41

    Maybe if it drops a pound or two you should totally consider it, horribly addictive when you get the full season

    oooh. Sure will. Heard about its addictiveness. Remember having to drive a lap around Melbourne in the wet on slicks to win the race after being second for so long, did it as well.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:43

    But seriously, Lou and Steven Roy *might* slip out of the top 5 today. Paging Scott, RG, and Amy...

    :D I'm on it!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:43

    But seriously, Lou and Steven Roy *might* slip out of the top 5 today. Paging Scott, RG, and Amy…

    So, greatest F1 driver ever?....

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 16:44

    So, greatest F1 driver ever?....

    That'll do it :P

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:44

    So, greatest F1 driver ever?....

    Oh no, here we go again! :D RG...?

    On that note, will probably call it a night early. :) Good night!

  • RG28/04/2009 at 16:45

    But seriously, Lou and Steven Roy *might* slip out of the top 5 today. Paging Scott, RG, and Amy...

    I've got homework, too much homework, yes, and revision...

    So, greatest F1 driver ever?....

    Erm, Pedro Diniz

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 16:45

    Night Journeyer. :)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:45

    Erm, Pedro Diniz

    Pfft, just another one of those drivers with no talent and a rich daddy.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 16:45

    night journeyer

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 16:45

    I've got homework, too much homework, yes, and revision...

    Aww, shame! Paging Jackie as well. :)

    141 comments... not bad, not bad at all for a day's work...

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 16:46

    Bye Journeyer :)

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 16:47

    But seriously, Lou and Steven Roy *might* slip out of the top 5 today. Paging Scott, RG, and Amy...

    I don't know how I could ever get back up there again...

    2600 comments?? I basically need to find a way to stop everyone but me getting on Autosport...

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 16:49

    So, greatest F1 driver ever?....

    I vote Deletraz!

    Underrated. :P

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 16:55

    Hearting quick comments from the train :)

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 17:04

    Hearting quick comments from the train :)

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/photo-73

  • lou28/04/2009 at 17:08

    hey everyone, just got home from school. I had a 2hr30min psychology mock today :( i ended up writing around 13 pages... my hand still hurts. This afternoon's been fun though, we went to a uni fair thing and i managed to get a lot of uni prospectuses. just flicking back through the comments quickly...

    Just been listening to Jenson’s Bahrain diary. He reveals:

    1. He’s getting a house in Bahrain in a couple of months.

    *cough* i believe he bought the actual plot of land in about 2007 and has been planning/ having it built since then... so it's due to be finished within a few months ;)

    Newly uploaded on Flickr, but it’s from Australia 2008:

    Dannii and Jules - Partners In Crime

    Jules was once Danii's PA. it's how she got into f1 really, cause Danii went out with Jacques Villeneuve i believe.

    i do wonder if max wouldn’t like the idea of pushing mercedes into the arms of brawn though.

    I so so so so hope Mercedes don't buy out Brawn, it would be awful and horrible and it wouldn't be the same. plus brawn are a nice small lovely team, mercedes would ruin that.

    imagine how he’d feel if brawn got the macca kers?

    atm Brawn have no interest in investing in KERS. They are choosing to concentrate on upgrades and sorting out the fact their car isn't so good on low fuel runs.

    But seriously, Lou and Steven Roy *might* slip out of the top 5 today. Paging Scott, RG, and Amy…

    good luck :P i'll be revising and looking at uni courses, may be around though.

  • lou28/04/2009 at 17:09

    Also, am catching up with comments on ye olde comments, since when did links to drop.io appear in a box like in doohickey?

  • Jon Waldock28/04/2009 at 17:09

    This afternoon's been fun though, we went to a uni fair thing and i managed to get a lot of uni prospectuses. just flicking back through the comments quickly...

    how many is alot? we had a competition to get the most prospectus, i got 35 i believe.....my back really did hurt....

    good luck :P i'll be revising and looking at uni courses, may be around though.

    woot, the joys of ucas. HAVE FUN :P

  • Flibster28/04/2009 at 17:10

    So, greatest F1 driver ever?....

    Erm, Pedro Diniz

    C'mon... Got to be Ide...

  • lou28/04/2009 at 17:11

    how many is alot? we had a competition to get the most prospectus, i got 35 i believe.....my back really did hurt....

    i have 2 bags worth..

    woot, the joys of ucas. HAVE FUN :P

    i've not started ucas first.... still don't know what i want to do at uni let alone where...

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 17:11

    Lou you're never going to keep your leaderboard status up with combined replies like that ;)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 17:12

    how many is alot? we had a competition to get the most prospectus, i got 35 i believe.....my back really did hurt....

    Bad times

    :(

    But any freebies is good! :P

  • lou28/04/2009 at 17:13

    Lou you're never going to keep your leaderboard status up with combined replies like that ;)

    ahhh shame ;)

    i fear you may have discovered my plan :P

  • Jon Waldock28/04/2009 at 17:13

    But any freebies is good! :P

    yeah, although unis are giving less freebies at uni fairs now, i wanted to get lots of pens etc, but only got prospectus's boo

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 17:14

    yeah, although unis are giving less freebies at uni fairs now, i wanted to get lots of pens etc, but only got prospectus's boo

    God the amount of pens you get after a uni fair I found was absurd. Although I did get cookies and sweeties at ones i went to :D

  • lou28/04/2009 at 17:14

    yeah, although unis are giving less freebies at uni fairs now, i wanted to get lots of pens etc, but only got prospectus's boo

    yep there were only prospectus's and bags today, no pens or anything..

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 17:29

    What time will we know about Mclaren's escapades tomorrow?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 17:34

    Can you all do me a huge favour and vote for cat #3 (a mate of mine) here:

    http://www.zmonline.com/beautybeast/finalcatvote.html

    Ta muchly ;)

  • chris evans28/04/2009 at 17:34

    What time will we know about Mclaren's escapades tomorrow?

    If the diffuser hearing is anything to go by, whenever they feel like it.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:38

    Steven Roy, where are you when I need you? I guess this was how he felt during the whole refuelling debate…

    Coo-ee

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 17:40

    Lukeh: 28/04/2009 at 15:53

    Hullo again everyone, back on laptop =]

    As I was saying earlier, my 3 hour lecture this morning resulted in once again a series of doodles that happily took up my time

    I love 5 Pints of Awesome Man!

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:40

    Steven Roy, where are you when I need you? I guess this was how he felt during the whole refuelling debate…

    Journeyer is right. KERS is a disaster and a bad idea. Just like I always said. The only people who want it on their cars are the people with bad cars who are desperate for any kind of performance they can get and if that is just somethig that stops people overtaking them so be it.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 17:41

    As I was saying earlier, my 3 hour lecture this morning resulted in once again a series of doodles that happily took up my time

    What's "Priss the prent button" refer to?

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:42

    funny how me and steven roy end up siding with each other on such big issues against the rest of you lot.

    It's because we are right

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:43

    But it is cutting edge technology and F1 is trying to make it smaller, lighter, faster. There’s bound to be reliability issues. When it works, though, and it will work more and more, it leaves the drivers without out for dust.

    Toyota said that the F1 KERS was more primitive than the KERS they used in the 24 hours of Tokachi. No I had never heard of that race either.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 17:43

    What's "Priss the prent button" refer to?

    Our lecturer is Swedish and he could NOT say 'Press the Print' correctly. :P

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:45

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers?

    Absolutely. Brawn and Red Bull are not going to waste their time with KERS. I would say that the driver who wins the championship this year will do it without having had KERS on th car.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 17:45

    What's "Priss the prent button" refer to?

    Our lecturer is Swedish and he could NOT say 'Press the Print' correctly. :P

    Swedish? Pah - they're like Danes but crappier!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 17:46

    Lukeh: 28/04/2009 at 16:36

    Just wondering seeing as games have been brought up, has anyone tried that new New Star GP game you can download for the PC? I know Joe knows about it but it’s a brilliant little game…

    Yeah it's not too bad!

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:46

    Look at Piquet - even with his rubbishness he was able to hold off Barrichello who was in a much faster car for two laps! That fight completely justifies KERS because had Barrichello been able to use it he would have killed him!

    We have had years of slow cars holding off fast cars. Murray Walker spent decades saying catching is one thing and passing is another.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:47

    would be ironic though - if Brawn do indeed pick up KERS, they’ll probably use Macca’s system - which is the best of the lot right now…

    I nelieve FIF1's Mercedes contract prevents Brawn getting that system

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:48

    are you kidding? honda was the first team to run kers on a formula 1 car. they have more development experience than anyone else. did that information just fall out of their heads?

    McLaren ran KERS a decade before anyone. There is a reason why they are doing it better than anyone else

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:49

    The teams who developed KERS have shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. Spent all that money only on research and developement only for standardised KERS the year after.

    They didn't know there was going to be a standard system when they started testing

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:52

    kers will undoubtedly come. mclaren have more pre-season aero data than any other team. if they catch brawn and have a decent kers system. what’s ross gonna do?

    Develop his aero so that he can stay in front this year and use the info as the basis for next year's car when they have standard KERS. Standard KERS is like putting a green stripe on the tyres.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:53

    i’m pretty sure they have a fully developed kers system already.

    They would have to install it into the Merc engine though which may not be as easy as taking out the Honda engine and replacing it with the Merc motor was.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 17:53

    Yeah it's not too bad!

    Just watching a video of it on YT. Looks really cool! :D

  • Nathan28/04/2009 at 17:53

    The teams who developed KERS have shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. Spent all that money only on research and developement only for standardised KERS the year after.

    They didn't know there was going to be a standard system when they started testing

    They need to increase minimum car weight and perhaps the amount of KERS to be used per lap so there is more performance advantage and therefore a reason for the teams to use the system.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 17:53

    I feel for Red Bull they get Renault’s KERS and Torro Rosso would get Ferarri’s

    They are both Magnetti Marelli systems with little difference between them

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 17:56

    Just watching a video of it on YT. Looks really cool! :D

    It's really fun to play with the 360 pad, like an F1 Micro Machines :)

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:06

    you’re wrong journeyer. max and bernie cannot force a team to sell a piece of technology to a competitor. f1 would collapse if that were true.

    Even Max can't fine someone $100 million for taking technology from a team then a few months later make it compulsory for a team to sell technology. My understanding of the Brawn / Mercedes deal is that it had to be for engines only because FIF1 have a contract which makes them the sole customer for all the other McLaren and Merc goodies including KERS.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:08

    force india are getting the KERS first (possibly as early as Barcelona), so they cannot deny brawn the right to have it too.

    So if MacLaren discover some aero miracle at the next race that makes them marginally faster than Brawn they have to give Brawn KERS which gives away their advantage? That doesn't make sense.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:09

    am ending my part of the conversation right now. your arguments are beyond mental, i shall returneth later.

    Is the man-flu causing you to use archaic verb endings?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:13

    Ooooh, forgot about Jenson's Bahrain diary...

    *listens*

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 18:13

    Look at Piquet - even with his rubbishness he was able to hold off Barrichello who was in a much faster car for two laps! That fight completely justifies KERS because had Barrichello been able to use it he would have killed him!

    We have had years of slow cars holding off fast cars. Murray Walker spent decades saying catching is one thing and passing is another.

    Yes but that was clearly because of KERS - look at how Piquet suddenly left him for dead on the straight!

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:13

    I so so so so hope Mercedes don't buy out Brawn, it would be awful and horrible and it wouldn't be the same. plus brawn are a nice small lovely team, mercedes would ruin that.

    Never gonna happen.

  • lou28/04/2009 at 18:17

    Never gonna happen.

    :D

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:19

    They need to increase minimum car weight and perhaps the amount of KERS to be used per lap so there is more performance advantage and therefore a reason for the teams to use the system.

    The problem is not the minimum weight or KERS really. The problem is the stupid tyre spec. All they have to do is make the front tyres narrower which is what Bridgestone want to do for next season but because of the stupid testing ban they can't develop tyres during the season which means the teams won't have 2010 spec tyres for winter testing which is beyond stupid.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:19

    Looks like I have been talking to myself.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:19

    Looks like I have been talking to myself.

    I'm still here, I just have nothing interesting to say :D

  • RG28/04/2009 at 18:20

    I'm still here, I just have nothing interesting to say :D

    What he said.

    Ahh, still nothing.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:27

    Although I am intruiged by this Ayrton Senna movie that was mentioned earlier... that could be very good watching.

    Or at least I hope it will be, and not an overdramatised money cow.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:27

    Never gonna happen.

    The idea that Mansour Ojjeh is going to buy back shares he sold doesn't make any sense. Same goes for Mumtalakat. Mercedes own 40% of the company, Mumtalakat 30%, Ojjeh 15% and Ron Dennis 15%. Dennis Ojjeh and Mumtalakat have a voting pact so why would any of them buy shares in an economy like this when they have total power anyway. Mercedes have road cars using McLaren as a premium brand and want to supply engines and other technology into McLaren Automotive. Why would they walk away from that and give it to a direct competitior. Equally they could not run Brawn as a premium brand and there is no road car payback to be had.

    This is all bull that Merc ar leaking to make sure the FIA judgement goes the right way. After the FIA announce that Mclaren will get no real punishment and praise Mclaren for the action they have taken Merc will say that they always had faith that the FIA would see things that way and they continue to view McLaren as a valued partner yah di yah id yah.

    The world will keep spinning like nothing happened beyond a few guys in blazers having a nice day out in Paris on expenses and tons ofcarbon dioxide will have been neddlessly produced.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:27

    What he said.

    Ahh, still nothing.

    Glad to see all the stuff I said was so dull no-one has a comment to make about it. So glad i bothered. :)

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:28

    Although I am intruiged by this Ayrton Senna movie that was mentioned earlier… that could be very good watching.

    There was supposed to be a feature film being made about him with Anotonio Banderas playing Senna but I guess it disappeared down the plug hole.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 18:29

    The world will keep spinning like nothing happened beyond a few guys in blazers having a nice day out in Paris on expenses and tons ofcarbon dioxide will have been neddlessly produced.

    Sounds like my job... ;)

  • RG28/04/2009 at 18:34

    Glad to see all the stuff I said was so dull no-one has a comment to make about it. So glad i bothered. :)

    It wasn't dull, I just couldn't find any response to it.

  • lou28/04/2009 at 18:35

    another rumour for today...

    "Could Bernie be about to take over the lease at Donington Park. Apparently he's already made a move to buy Donington Hall next to track..."

    http://twitter.com/DoningtonF1/status/1641343134

    So... Bernie DOES want a british gp?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 18:35

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/fr-stats-xls

    My FR Stats post-Bahrain. Enjoy ;)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:36

    another rumour for today...

    "Could Bernie be about to take over the lease at Donington Park. Apparently he's already made a move to buy Donington Hall next to track..."

    http://twitter.com/DoningtonF1/status/1641343134

    Interesting... I mean, it could be anything with Bernie. ne week he says something, then he'll contradict that and say something else, then say something else the week after so we'll just have to wait and see. I read a rumour earlier today that construction at donington has been stopped but I don't think there's any truth to it... haven't seen any information anywhere legarding it...

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:36

    haven't seen any information anywhere legarding it...

    Oh my god, legarding it?!!

    *cries*

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 18:37

    Interesting... I mean, it could be anything with Bernie. ne week he says something, then he'll contradict that and say something else, then say something else the week after so we'll just have to wait and see. I read a rumour earlier today that construction at donington has been stopped but I don't think there's any truth to it... haven't seen any information anywhere legarding it...

    Was that on purpose?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:37

    Was that on purpose?

    I really wish it was.. :/

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:39

    So... Bernie DOES want a british gp?

    The 2010 British GP will be at Silverstone. Everything that has happened and everything that will happen is to turn the screw on the BRDC to get them to put up more money. Bernie may well buy some local property to convince the BRDC to cough up more and to sucker Gillet into a situation where his default fee increase.

    There will not be a GP at Donington in the next decade. It is impossible.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:40

    Oh my god, legarding it?!!

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  • lou28/04/2009 at 18:41

    There will not be a GP at Donington in the next decade. It is impossible.

    so the fact that dad is kinda refusing to let me go to what we think could be the last british gp is not a big deal? as it wont be the last british gp?

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:42

    so the fact that dad is kinda refusing to let me go to what we think could be the last british gp is not a big deal? as it wont be the last british gp?

    It will not be the last British GP at Silverstone. Definitely.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:43

    so the fact that dad is kinda refusing to let me go to what we think could be the last british gp is not a big deal? as it wont be the last british gp?

    wouldn't be surprised if we see Silverstone next year but Stevens definitely a lot better to say this than myself, all my statement is based from is a hunch inside me, I just dont see Dongington being ready

  • lou28/04/2009 at 18:44

    It will not be the last British GP at Silverstone. Definitely.

    i'll remind you of that next year if there is no british gp :P

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 18:44

    Evening all.

    If Adrian Newey designed the Doohickey, it would be called the Neweyhickey.

    When Honda left F1, they took their engines. They may have taken their KERS too.

    Jackie, I recommend talking to your local Citizens Advice Bureau - www.adviceguide.org.uk

  • Nathan28/04/2009 at 18:45

    When Honda left F1, they took their engines. They may have taken their KERS too.

    So why not the gearboxes??

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 18:46

    Load up the F1 site. At the top of the page, the F1 logo comes in just like the intro before each session :D

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:46

    wouldn't be surprised if we see Silverstone next year but Stevens definitely a lot better to say this than myself, all my statement is based from is a hunch inside me, I just dont see Dongington being ready

    They are already in financial trouble and had no chance of raising money from debentures before the economy turned to crap. Remember also when the deal was originally announced Gillet had a partner and he split soon after which has to have had an effect.

    Also Donington are already generating a lot of bad publicity with the mess they have made of the work they are doing which has cost them their license to hold races this season.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:47

    i'll remind you of that next year if there is no british gp :P

    I love people telling me I was right so I look forward to it.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:47

    When Honda left F1, they took their engines. They may have taken their KERS too.

    Their KERS must have belonged to their engine program so they will be gone.

  • lou28/04/2009 at 18:48

    I love people telling me I was right so I look forward to it.

    :D i hope your right tbh :)

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:50

    Ollie has possibly the best pun ever and he has cake

    http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/04/28/who-called-glock-wan-for-fashion-advice/

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 18:51

    Ollie has possibly the best pun ever and he has cake

    Haha, great pun :D

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 18:51

    Their KERS must have belonged to their engine program so they will be gone.

    Thought so. Gearboxes would be made by the team though?

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:52

    :D i hope your right tbh :)

    We went through all this farce before with Brands Hatch. The only difference is the people at Brands didn't spend a load of money or do something stupid to stop the circuit operating normally.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:53

    Thought so. Gearboxes would be made by the team though?

    Don't know.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 18:53

    Don't know.

    Should have said. don't know but I assume they were with the chassis team so are now attached to the Merc engines.

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 18:54

    We went through all this farce before with Brands Hatch. The only difference is the people at Brands didn't spend a load of money or do something stupid to stop the circuit operating normally.

    They had the local residents to do something instead.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 18:55

    We went through all this farce before with Brands Hatch. The only difference is the people at Brands didn't spend a load of money or do something stupid to stop the circuit operating normally.

    Am I the only one who thinks that Donnington know that Bernie is resting on them. And that the BRDC won't stump up the cash?

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 19:02

    Am I the only one who thinks that Donnington know that Bernie is resting on them. And that the BRDC won't stump up the cash?

    Donington is not going to be rady on time. It is impossible. It was impossible to start with and now they are already running into financial problems.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 19:03

    Donington is not going to be rady on time. It is impossible. It was impossible to start with and now they are already running into financial problems.

    I know. My point is that I don't think there will be a British GP.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 19:13

    Wow have you guys seen this? http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/900/

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 19:14

    Wow have you guys seen this? http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/900/

    Go Christine!

  • Jon Waldock28/04/2009 at 19:14

    Wow have you guys seen this? http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/900/

    haha thats amazing

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 19:14

    Go Christine!

    It's fantastic recognition isn't it :D

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 19:15

    Wow have you guys seen this? http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/900/

    !!! :D

  • RG28/04/2009 at 19:15

    Wow have you guys seen this? http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/900/

    Haha, brilliant, goo Mrs C :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 19:16

    Does that mean Christine has been GMM'd?!?

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 19:17

    Does that mean Christine has been GMM'd?!?

    It's not a GMM story luckily. :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 19:18

    It's not a GMM story luckily. :)

    I wondered with the numbers at the end .. thought that was what they did

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 19:18

    It's not a GMM story luckily. :)

    Another one they've missed?

  • Pat W28/04/2009 at 19:21

    Okay.. everyone who said Windows Live Writer was excellent is right, it is.

  • Pat W28/04/2009 at 19:21

    Wow have you guys seen this? http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/900/

    Brilliant :-)

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 19:22

    Wow have you guys seen this? http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/900/

    I wonder how many it sold to become a hit?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 19:23

    Okay.. everyone who said Windows Live Writer was excellent is right, it is.

    Agreed, can't express enough how helpful it is :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 19:23

    I wonder how many it sold to become a hit?

    They should charge to download it .. fill up the sidepodtowers coffers

  • Pat W28/04/2009 at 19:24

    Now I've thrown that out there I'll go back to lurking, errr, doing my "Cash Management And Credit Control" practice papers. Lots of words. Not nice. I took accounts because I prefer numbers.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 19:25

    Has anyone hear of F1 complete before? It's a new one on me.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 19:26

    Now I've thrown that out there I'll go back to lurking, errr, doing my "Cash Management And Credit Control" practice papers. Lots of words. Not nice. I took accounts because I prefer numbers.

    Enjoy! .. well I hope it's not too painful

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 19:26

    Has anyone hear of F1 complete before? It's a new one on me.

    Yep I read quite a lot of their stories

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 19:59

    Murray's Bahrain Moments is up now for those of us who are in the right geographical location.

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:00

    The site is back! :)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:01

    The site is back! :)

    Yay

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 20:01

    The site is back! :)

    Woot!

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:01

    The site is back! :)

    w00t!

    apologies mediatemple fubar'ed the database.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 20:02

    apologies mediatemple fubar'ed the database.

    *continues shake fist directed at media temple*

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:02

    I wondered with the numbers at the end .. thought that was what they did

    Which numbers?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 20:04

    *continues shake fist directed at media temple*

    Curse you, Media Temple! *shakes fist*

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:06

    More Merecedes murmurs - http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/bad-news-from-mercedes-ahead-of-crucial-day/

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:10

    More Merecedes murmurs - http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/bad-news-from-mercedes-ahead-of-crucial-day/

    the ferrari line is more interesting:

    "Ferrari is not interested in F1 controlled by a £30 million budget cap, nor by standard engines."

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:12

    Which numbers?

    the numbers after /view in the url

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:18

    Yep I read quite a lot of their stories

    I have never heard of it at all. Their forum looks like they don;t get much traffic and it has th feel of a brand new site een though they have comments from a year ago.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:19

    apologies mediatemple fubar'ed the database.

    Has it given you a load of work to sort it?

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:19

    I have never heard of it at all. Their forum looks like they don;t get much traffic and it has th feel of a brand new site een though they have comments from a year ago.

    is it a slow news day or something? :)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 20:19

    is it a slow news day or something?

    Trust me, tomorrow won't be for obvious reasons.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:20

    is it a slow news day or something? :)

    It's a big story. It's not every day your wife has her first hit single

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:20

    Has it given you a load of work to sort it?

    nope. they rolled back/forward/whatever and it came back to life.

    they're a sodding useless web host, but at least now they're responding to our tweets when something goes wrong. things can only get better :)

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:20

    Trust me, tomorrow won't be for obvious reasons.

    Something happening tomorrow like?

    Ah yes, the quiz, how could I forget.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 20:20

    Trust me, tomorrow won't be for obvious reasons.

    Some Mclaren thingy and a FIA budget thingymajiggy? Nah they'll get ignored I guess :P

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:20

    It's a big story. It's not every day your wife has her first hit single

    it's a hit now? ace.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 20:20

    It's a big story. It's not every day your wife has her first hit single

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 20:20

    it’s a hit now? ace.

    That's what the news story says!

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:21

    Team boss Franz Tost agrees with Alain Prost's recent criticism of Toro Rosso racer Sebastien Bourdais. This isn't sounding good...

    http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12509/900/ (gmm warning)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 20:22

    Team boss Franz Tost agrees with Alain Prost's recent criticism of Toro Rosso racer Sebastien Bourdais. This isn't sounding good...

    He's making even Piquet look good. And that's something I thought could never happen.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:23

    it's a hit now? ace.

    Jackie found the story http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/1/

  • toxicfusion28/04/2009 at 20:23

    “Ferrari is not interested in F1 controlled by a £30 million budget cap, nor by standard engines.”

    I can't imagine F1 without Ferrari, love or hate them it just would not be the same without them.

    James Allen's right Ferrari and the FIA seem to be so far apart right now which a few years ago the idea of such of thing would be seen as impossible.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 20:23

    “Ferrari is not interested in F1 controlled by a £30 million budget cap, nor by standard engines.”

    Thats very worrying :/

    or a case of Ferrari oversenstionalising the situation?

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:24

    He's making even Piquet look good. And that's something I thought could never happen.

    That's unfair. He's not done that badly at all...

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:24

    He's making even Piquet look good. And that's something I thought could never happen.

    Seems harsh to be havinga go when he finished seceral places ahead of Buemi two days ago.

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:24

    Jackie found the story http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12511/1/

    the mind it does boggle.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:25

    I can't imagine F1 without Ferrari, love or hate them it just would not be the same without them.

    Ferrari is going nowhere. They are just pulling the same garbage that they have done for half a century and more. Give us what we want or we will leave.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:25

    If Adrian Newey designed the Doohickey, it would be called the Neweyhickey.

    Thats wot I said!

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:26

    http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/12509/900/ (gmm warning)

    why are we quoting gmm?

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:26

    the mind it does boggle.

    I just wondered if the guy who posted the story was selling downloads.

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:26

    Ollie has possibly the best pun ever and he has cake

    Thanks Steven. And the cake was yummy. :)

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:26

    I just wondered if the guy who posted the story was selling downloads.

    hahaha. it links to drop.io. they could've at least linked to the post explaining the story!

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:29

    why are we quoting gmm?

    Feel free to ignore it... just thought it's a bad position to be in when your boss is telling the press that your negative attitude is getting in the way...

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:30

    Ollie has possibly the best pun ever and he has cake

    Was that the Gok Wan?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:31

    I hope you enjoyed my FR stats:

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/fr-stats-xls

    I have included some new graphs and tidied it up a bit. You can still view all the othe stuff if you 'unhide' the sheets.

    Seems like Felipe Massa was the worst value for money - I thought that would have been Kubica...? Otherwise, no real surprises so far!

  • Pat W28/04/2009 at 20:31

    Enjoy! .. well I hope it’s not too painful

    The main problem is that it isn't at all interesting. Okay the cash budget bit is okay because it has numbers. The explainy bit is yawny. At least this unit was an option, and I'm taking a backup option..

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:31

    Was that the Gok Wan?

    Yep, the Glock Wan pun.

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:31

    Feel free to ignore it... just thought it's a bad position to be in when your boss is telling the press that your negative attitude is getting in the way...

    is he really though? i just don't believe a word they copy&paste any more.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:32

    Yep, the Glock Wan pun.

    Loved the Webber photo .. but would have been funnier if it had been Felipe

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:32

    Feel free to ignore it... just thought it's a bad position to be in when your boss is telling the press that your negative attitude is getting in the way...

    is he really though? i just don't believe a word they copy&paste any more.

    He's in a bad position because he's a bit Piquet and his team mate is kicking his Flavio...

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:33

    It's Tuesday so it must be punday :)

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:33

    Loved the Webber photo .. but would have been funnier if it had been Felipe

    Haha, I didn't think of that. "Felipe baby, cool, we've got you a clear visor".

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:35

    Has a bit Piquet made it to the wictionary yet?

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:35

    Was that the Gok Wan?

    Yes

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:36

    Has a bit Piquet made it to the wictionary yet?

    Sidepodictionary?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:36

    Sidepodictionary?

    yes that's what I meant

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:36

    Has a bit Piquet made it to the wictionary yet?

    Yep. http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Dictionary

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:37

    He's in a bad position because he's a bit Piquet and his team mate is kicking his Flavio...

    He beat his team mate on Sunday.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:37

    Yep. http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Dictionary

    Aha, so we can blame Amy :)

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:38

    is he really though? i just don't believe a word they copy&paste any more.

    Fair enough. I normally would've tried harder to find a decent source, but I guess I was being a bit lazy then...

    Will try harder. ;)

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:38

    Aha, so we can blame Amy :)

    I like it when they put names next to it.

    *Looks down

    Ah darn

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:39

    Aha, so we can blame Amy :)

    I like it when they put names next to it.

    *Looks down

    Ah darn

    Coined by Amy?

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:40

    Coined by Amy?

    Gawd, can't remember who said that. Wasn't me though.

  • Jon Waldock28/04/2009 at 20:40

    oooh we're back :)

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:40

    Jackie, (apologies for the public-ness on this, but...) you DM'd me on Identi.ca but haven't replied. Was it anything important or just a "Hi". (I gets worried when people DM me, it makes me think it's a precursor to something, like I effed up somewhere and offended someone.) If was just a "Hi", then a howdy back at ya. :)

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:41

    oooh we're back :)

    Normal service resumed. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:41

    Coined by Amy?

    Gawd, can't remember who said that. Wasn't me though.

    I thought it was me?

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:42

    Oh, I know it's GMM and all, but still, recognition for Christine. Big up!

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:42

    I thought it was me?

    Which me is that?

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:42

    I thought it was me?

    It was light years ago, ie, back in the time when I made that comment

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 20:42

    Jackie, (apologies for the public-ness on this, but...) you DM'd me on Identi.ca but haven't replied. Was it anything important or just a "Hi". (I gets worried when people DM me, it makes me think it's a precursor to something, like I effed up somewhere and offended someone.) If was just a "Hi", then a howdy back at ya. :)

    Ah I said more than hi but you obviously didnt get it .. wasn't important though.. I'll try again

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:42

    I thought it was me?

    Which me is that?

    As in Mr. Goat, not Mr. C.

    I just can't remember when it was first said...?

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:42

    Oh, I know it's GMM and all, but still, recognition for Christine. Big up!

    Don't worry, it's not. ;)

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:43

    It was light years ago, ie, back in the time when I made that comment

    the comment about wanting to kill franck?

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:43

    Ah I said more than hi but you obviously didnt get it .. wasn't important though.. I'll try again

    I got "Hi Ollie," :D The comma made me think...

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:43

    the comment about wanting to kill franck?

    You can't mention that!!!

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:43

    the comment about wanting to kill franck?

    It wasn't like that. It was meerly a phrase, a, i didn't want to kill him

  • me28/04/2009 at 20:46

    bad news for ferrari. kimi say their cars run well in the heat:

    "The trend seems to be confirmed that our cars run better with higher temperatures."

    oops!

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:50

    It wasn't like that. It was meerly a phrase, a, i didn't want to kill him

    Ah, how the archives make me laugh: http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/11/02/couldnt-have-asked-for-more/#comment-143815 :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:51

    It wasn't like that. It was meerly a phrase, a, i didn't want to kill him

    Ah, how the archives make me laugh: http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/11/02/couldnt-have-asked-for-more/#comment-143815 :D

    How do you search the archives?

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 20:51

    Thats wot I said!

    sorry Gavin, must have missed your post. Feeling a bit like Mr C has been over the last few days, so not firing on all cylinders

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:52

    "The trend seems to be confirmed that our cars run better with higher temperatures."

    Since that was the highest temperature we will see this season it looks like it is downhill all the way for Maranello.

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:52

    How do you search the archives?

    And that was in my own guest post?

    *Bangs head against table/laptop

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:52

    Thats wot I said!

    sorry Gavin, must have missed your post. Feeling a bit like Mr C has been over the last few days, so not firing on all cylinders

    No probs, hope you feel better soon!

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:54

    How do you search the archives?

    http://www.google.co.uk/ :D

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 20:55

    You can search with Google? Since when have Google done search engines?

  • RG28/04/2009 at 20:55

    I'm just reading through those comments.

    You lot are a bunch of 'orrible people ;) I mean lou

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/11/02/couldnt-have-asked-for-more/#comment-143830

    let me suffer? WHAT?! ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 20:56

    How do you search the archives?

    http://www.google.co.uk/ :D

    Bah. It only appears in the dictionary!

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 20:58

    You can search with Google? Since when have Google done search engines?

    Oh crikey :lol: Would it be wrong to declare my love for Steven right now? (Don't worry Mr Roy, I'm still joking.)

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 20:58

    let me suffer? WHAT?! ;)

    I think we managed to cover up the sidepodmurder quite well... apart from the hundreds of times I said it... and that fact I've just linked back to that conversation...

    *runs away*

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 20:59

    let me suffer? WHAT?! ;)

    After what you said? I'm not surprised.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:00

    Coined by Amy?

    Gawd, can't remember who said that. Wasn't me though.

    I thought it was me?

    It was coined by Amy, but somehow I must have seen it and subliminally typed it too?

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 21:01

    It was coined by Amy, but somehow I must have seen it and subliminally typed it too?

    what are you searching for?

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 21:01

    Evenin' all... What's going on 'ere den?

    A sidepodmurder you say... ah...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:01

    It was coined by Amy, but somehow I must have seen it and subliminally typed it too?

    what are you searching for?

    A little bit Piquet. I found Amy's post on the 21st... mine was on the 27th!

  • RG28/04/2009 at 21:01

    A sidepodmurder you say... ah...

    Shh, Christine's on...

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 21:02

    A sidepodmurder you say... ah...

    Nope, no sidepodmurder here, just the same sidepodmurder from November that never happened...

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 21:02

    A little bit Piquet. I found Amy's post on the 21st... mine was on the 27th!

    Ah. Well that's good really, we were hoping it would catch on :)

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 21:03

    A sidepodmurder you say... ah...

    There's been a terrible wrongdoing in Sidepodland, me sir. What say your investigations?

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 21:03

    Shh, Christine's on...

    Minus 2 million points?

  • RG28/04/2009 at 21:03

    There's been a terrible wrongdoing in Sidepodland, me sir. What say your investigations?

    I demand a lawyer...

  • Dom28/04/2009 at 21:04

    Minus 2 million points?

    Why did she give herself that?

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 21:04

    Minus 2 million points?

    Minus 2 kajillion points. Andy loses 1 kajillion points for getting the terminology wrong!

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 21:05

    Right you lot... Stand up when you're being spoken to and sit down while you're listening...

    There's been a murder... A sidepodmurder no less.. And none of us is leaving here until we find out who the RG is... Sorry culprit is ;)

  • lou28/04/2009 at 21:05

    You lot are a bunch of 'orrible people ;) I mean lou

    eeeek i'd forgotten all about that... i blame steven...

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 21:06

    Right you lot... Stand up when you're being spoken to and sit down while you're listening...

    And I still don't know who called a dog 'heel'!?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:06

    Not F1-related but I just finished writing it this moment:

    http://zerodownforce.blogspot.com/2009/04/greatest-racing-eras-group-touring-cars.html

  • RG28/04/2009 at 21:06

    There's been a murder... A sidepodmurder no less.. And none of us is leaving here until we find out who the RG is... Sorry culprit is ;)

    Eeep.

    I ain't speaking without a lawyer.

    Though I do suspect a Mr. Roy is hiding a secret laptop with my personal information and posting as me at times. I was clearly on holiday as of the date November 5th onwards

  • RG28/04/2009 at 21:07

    Not F1-related but I just finished writing it this moment:

    http://zerodownforce.blogspot.com/2009/04/greatest-racing-eras-group-touring-cars.html

    Non-F1 related. Have you been reading the last few comments?

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:08

    Non-F1 related. Have you been reading the last few comments?

    Hehehe. I started writing it before you lot have been talking about whatever it is you are now. :P

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 21:09

    And I still don't know who called a dog 'heel'!?

    Mr White, if that's your real name... You think this is funny do you? A miscarriage of sidepodjustice was done here last Novembertide. And I, for one am going to get to the bottom of it. Even if it takes five minutes!

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 21:10

    Though I do suspect a Mr. Roy is hiding a secret laptop with my personal information and posting as me at times. I was clearly on holiday as of the date November 5th onwards

    I hope that laptop doesn't contain the secret messages between Alonso and Pedalo about the "Red cars"

  • Christine28/04/2009 at 21:10

    Mr White, if that's your real name... You think this is funny do you? A miscarriage of sidepodjustice was done here last Novembertide. And I, for one am going to get to the bottom of it. Even if it takes five minutes!

    It was RG wot done it.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:10

    Not F1-related but I just finished writing it this moment:

    http://zerodownforce.blogspot.com/2009/04/greatest-racing-eras-group-touring-cars.html

    Oh Scotty baby, you really need to get rFactor:

    http://rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Touring Car Legends

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:11

    Oh Scotty baby, you really need to get rFactor:

    http://rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Touring Car Legends

    I know! I've seen that mod and it looks so freakin' awesome! :(

  • RG28/04/2009 at 21:11

    It was RG wot done it.

    Ahh shucks.

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 21:11

    Shh, Christine's on...

    Does she not know about the sidepodmurder?

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 21:12

    eeeek i'd forgotten all about that... i blame steven...

    Wha?

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 21:13

    And I still don't know who called a dog 'heel'!?

    I had a dog called "Sit"

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 21:13

    It was RG wot done it.

    I fank you Ms Blachford... Very 'elpful evidence that.

    Much obliged. An all.

  • lou28/04/2009 at 21:13

    Wha?

    i dunno, i paniced :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:13

    Oh Scotty baby, you really need to get rFactor:

    http://rfactorcentral.com/detail.cfm?ID=Touring Car Legends

    I know! I've seen that mod and it looks so freakin' awesome! :(

    It is. What else can I say, it's one of the best rFactor mods!

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 21:13

    Does she not know about the sidepodmurder?

    I think she does - minus one million points wasn't it?

  • Ollie28/04/2009 at 21:14

    Mr White, if that's your real name... You think this is funny do you? A miscarriage of sidepodjustice was done here last Novembertide. And I, for one am going to get to the bottom of it. Even if it takes five minutes!

    It wont me guv, 'onest. I woz in the Blogger's Dog wolfing down a swifty 'alf wiv the stable-'and.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:14

    It is. What else can I say, it’s one of the best rFactor mods!

    Can you tell me something - what's it like to drive one of the VL Holden Commodores?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:16

    It is. What else can I say, it’s one of the best rFactor mods!

    Can you tell me something - what's it like to drive one of the VL Holden Commodores?

    Dunno, I've never driven one. But in the game it's quite cool - very grunty, loud and tail happy. The M3 is a screamer and the RS500 a bullet!

  • Alex Andronov28/04/2009 at 21:17

    It wont me guv, 'onest. I woz in the Blogger's Dog wolfing down a swifty 'alf wiv the stable-'and.

    Well you say that now and you make a good point all told. Lets frame RG and pack it in for the night. I hear there's a dart board in the snug.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:17

    Dunno, I've never driven one. But in the game it's quite cool - very grunty, loud and tail happy. The M3 is a screamer and the RS500 a bullet!

    You simply have to try one of the GT-Rs. They weren't called "Godzillas" for nothing!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:18

    Well you say that now and you make a good point all told. Lets frame RG and pack it in for the night. I hear there's a dart board in the snug.

    I blame Steven.

  • Pat W28/04/2009 at 21:18

    Gavin Brown (RubberGoat): 28/04/2009 at 22:16:11

    It is. What else can I say, it’s one of the best rFactor mods!

    Can you tell me something - what's it like to drive one of the VL Holden Commodores?

    Dunno, I've never driven one. But in the game it's quite cool - very grunty, loud and tail happy. The M3 is a screamer and the RS500 a bullet!

    Wish my wheel still worked..

  • RG28/04/2009 at 21:18

    I blame Steven.

    See, someone who obviously sees sense here.

    (You have seen that evidence haven't you, cos you could be on the losing side)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:19

    Dunno, I've never driven one. But in the game it's quite cool - very grunty, loud and tail happy. The M3 is a screamer and the RS500 a bullet!

    You simply have to try one of the GT-Rs. They weren't called "Godzillas" for nothing!

    I refuse to as a matter of principle. It's the car that ruined Bathurst!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:19

    See, someone who obviously sees sense here.

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:19

    I refuse to as a matter of principle. It’s the car that ruined Bathurst!

    Maybe so, but I still love it!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:20

    I refuse to as a matter of principle. It’s the car that ruined Bathurst!

    Besides, you'll be at a loss when we finally race each other and I come flying past you off the start... ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:21

    I refuse to as a matter of principle. It’s the car that ruined Bathurst!

    Besides, you'll be at a loss when we finally race each other and I come flying past you off the start... ;)

    I'll beat you in the M3!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:21

    I'll beat you in the M3!

    Pfft, it will be no match for my 4WD powah!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:23

    I'll beat you in the M3!

    Pfft, it will be no match for my 4WD powah!

    That car isn't in the game - it's the GTS-R, RWD, 400 BHP...

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:24

    That car isn't in the game - it's the GTS-R, RWD, 400 BHP...

    But but...it was in the preview pictures... :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)28/04/2009 at 21:26

    That car isn't in the game - it's the GTS-R, RWD, 400 BHP...

    But but...it was in the preview pictures... :(

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/tcl-car-presentation-pdf

    It ain't there bro... but there's many fun cars to try!

    Good night all!

  • RG28/04/2009 at 21:26

    Just a little plug

    http://thef1waffler.blogspot.com/2009/04/you-spin-my-car-right-round.html

    Guess from the title who its about ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:27

    It ain't there bro... but there's many fun cars to try!

    I saw it in a picture! I shall prove it!

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:48

    Where'd everyone go? :P

  • Steven Roy28/04/2009 at 21:49

    Where'd everyone go? :P

    They are all hiding. There is a sidepodmurderer on the loose

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 21:50

    They are all hiding. There is a sidepodmurderer on the loose

    Pfft, he doesn't scare me.

  • Scott Woodwiss28/04/2009 at 22:03

    Right, I'm off, gotta be up in the morning. Night all :)

  • Pat W28/04/2009 at 22:13

    Pfft, he doesn't scare me.

    Right, I'm off, gotta be up in the morning. Night all

    Clearly he does.

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 22:39

    Evening peeps

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 22:39

    Evening peeps

    LO

  • Pat W28/04/2009 at 22:48

    Guess from the title who its about ;)

    I guessed wrong..

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:01

    Has everyone gone to bed?

  • me28/04/2009 at 23:02

    Has everyone gone to bed?

    hi, still here. playing catch up with news.

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 23:03

    Has everyone gone to bed?

    *waves from the shadows* :)

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 23:03

    hi, still here. playing catch up with news.

    I'm still here, just about. I can confirm that the Newhickey works exactly as intended. tried to reply, couldn't. Thought "ah-ha!" changed thread. Bingo

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 23:04

    I can also confirm that a certain documentary will soon be available :)

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 23:05

    Mr C, did you receive my email with speedtape pic?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:07

    I can also confirm that a certain documentary will soon be available :)

    Tell me more :)

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 23:08

    Tell me more :)

    The one that's not on iPlayer

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:08

    The one that's not on iPlayer

    The Graham Hill?

  • me28/04/2009 at 23:09

    Mr C, did you receive my email with speedtape pic?

    i did. took a while to figure out what it was / who it was from, because the title was truncated to about 5 characters. got there in the end though, cheers!

  • lou28/04/2009 at 23:11

    The one that's not on iPlayer

    the jackie stewart one was never on the iplayer was it?...

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 23:11

    The Graham Hill?

    That is on iPlayer. This one isn't

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 23:12

    i did. took a while to figure out what it was / who it was from, because the title was truncated to about 5 characters. go there in the end though, cheers!

    Yeah, sorry. It was via MMS

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:12

    That is on iPlayer. This one isn't

    give us a clue?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 23:12

    That is on iPlayer. This one isn't

    :o

    would be eternally grateful if one of the others appeared in some mystery place!

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 23:13

    give us a clue?

    It'll probably appear in a faimiliar place soon, put there by the fairies no doubt ;)

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:13

    I was listening to sidepodpanel : the giggles earlier .. it's so funny

  • me28/04/2009 at 23:13

    I was listening to sidepodpanel : the giggles earlier .. it's so funny

    uh-oh, not the archives!

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 23:14

    would be eternally grateful if one of the others appeared in some mystery place!

    Lukeh, do yourself and Lou know about the Brawn merchandise competition on the Telegraph F1 podcast?

    Signed caps I believe

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:14

    uh-oh, not the archives!

    archives on my phone

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 23:14

    Lukeh, do yourself and Lou know about the Brawn merchandise competition on the Telegraph F1 podcast?

    Ohhh my goood!

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:14

    uh-oh, not the archives!

    Is that bad?

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:15

    Ohhh my goood!

    I take it that's a No?

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 23:16

    I take it that's a No?

    I would safely say I have no idea, not sure if lou does though... don;t think so...

  • lou28/04/2009 at 23:16

    Lukeh, do yourself and Lou know about the Brawn merchandise competition on the Telegraph F1 podcast?

    erm..... no! what do i need to do? :D

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 23:16

    give us a clue?

    You share a first name.

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:16

    JYS

  • Andy Taylor28/04/2009 at 23:17

    JYS

    Yup.

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 23:18

    erm..... no! what do i need to do? :D

    Sorry Lou, didn't realise you were around during all that revising

    Just a sec

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:18

    Yup.

    cool I missed all 3

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 23:22

    erm..... no! what do i need to do? :D

    Just email:

    [email protected]

    7:56 mins into the latest Telegraph F1 podcast - dated 24.04.09

  • lou28/04/2009 at 23:22

    Sorry Lou, didn't realise you were around during all that revising

    lol yep i'm around tonight, am not doing much revision, not sure my hands would be able to cope with it :P plus i've had an evening of looking at uni stuff (fun) plus chatting to some lovely friends :) which was nice.

  • Alianora La Canta28/04/2009 at 23:22

    But they run Silverstone, so it’s one and the same in my book. {Comment #259}

    My point is that if the BRDC put a commercial person from the world of business in charge of this specific contract negotiation and gave that person carte blanche to negotiate with Bernie without regard to wider consequences, a deal would be easy-peasy. If it leased Silverstone to a commercial entity (even if it was done in such a way that the BRDC owned and ran the track for the other 51 weeks of the year), the same would apply.

    However, the BRDC is a democratic institution which actually cares about balancing its books. This is what Bernie hates.

  • Journeyer28/04/2009 at 23:40

    Good morning.

    Apparently, someone's back in the top 5:

    Most Talkative

    * Journeyer (3132)

    * Lukeh (2679)

    * Steven Roy (2572)

    * lou ( bra... (2517)

    * Scott Woodwiss (2485)

  • Lukeh28/04/2009 at 23:41

    Most Talkative

    * Journeyer (3132)

    * Lukeh (2679)

    * Steven Roy (2572)

    * lou ( bra... (2517)

    * Scott Woodwiss (2485)

    Well done scott! Wow im up to 2nd...

  • Jackie28/04/2009 at 23:41

    where do the hours go, is it change of shift time again?

  • Alianora La Canta28/04/2009 at 23:47

    anyone willing to hazzard a guess to what penalty McLaren will get tomorrow? {Comment #331}

    Since I suspect the WMSC may have other news it wants to hide under the case, I think it will go for something headline-grabbing. Large fine (to be paid this year), removal of constructor's points for 2009 but no impediment to driver's points or team participation.

  • Alianora La Canta28/04/2009 at 23:48

    What do you think are our chances of this being the last lame distracting political F1 event of the season? I think 0% {Comment #342}

    Frankly, I'm not sure this will be the last lame distracting political F1 event of today, let alone the season :(

  • Bassano Clapper28/04/2009 at 23:50

    Frankly, I'm not sure this will be the last lame distracting political F1 event of today, let alone the season :(

    Apparently, there will be some discussion on the budget caps too, according to the FIF1 podcast

  • Alianora La Canta28/04/2009 at 23:58

    i believe every car will be fitted with kers by silverstone (in june). does anyone think there will still be cars on track at that time sans-kers? {Comment #409}

    Yes.

    Brawn have neither the funding to develop the system nor a technical partner to do so. Besides, their car is designed specifically to not use KERS.

    Toyota have the funding but do not appear to have the inclination to develop KERS. Maybe they'll buy Williams' system in 2010 if it works and such purchasing proves necessary.

    Toro Rosso are depending on Ferrari to get a KERS system. Ferrari is unlikely to let Toro Rosso have a system until Ferrari has had some successes with it. Therefore I can see Toro Rosso not getting KERS until the final third of the season, if they get it for 2009 at all.

    Adrian Sutil is too heavy to use KERS and Force India can't afford to build a whole new lightened chassis for him the way BMW did for Robert Kubica without hampering its progress. Under their current circumstances, they can't afford to do that.

    As a result, I think 13 drivers will have KERS for Silverstone (most of whom will get it in Spain or Turkey), possibly rising to 15 by the end of the year.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:00

    Toyota have the funding but do not appear to have the inclination to develop KERS. Maybe they'll buy Williams' system in 2010 if it works and such purchasing proves necessary.

    They won't need to - it's going to be standardized, anyway. Unless they still have to produce their own KERS?

    Brawn have neither the funding to develop the system nor a technical partner to do so. Besides, their car is designed specifically to not use KERS.

    I thought it was designed to have KERS, until they had to use a Merc engine?

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:05

    Force India were supposed to start using McLaren’s KERS by Spain - one wonders why they haven’t officially confirmed it yet. {Comment #412}

    They're doing it race-by-race and driver-by-driver for the same reasons as BMW - it's not an advantage at every track and, like BMW, they have one driver a lot lighter than the other.

    Force India have stuck to Spain as the time when KERS will be introduced and I have no reason to disbelieve them simply because they haven't repeated it since China. That said, Sutil's weight means he almost certainly won't have it.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:09

    honda was the first team to run kers on a formula 1 car. they have more development experience than anyone else. did that information just fall out of their heads? {Comment #426}

    No, but Brawn did a partial redesign of their car after getting the Mercedes engine. They also lost access to the Honda KERS unit itself at that point. Due to the new restrictions imposed by the unfamiliar engine, a "back-to-basics" approach was taken. KERS could not be described as "back-to-basics". The Brawn car hasn't got KERS because of a design-level choice, not because its lack was forced.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:11

    They won’t need to - it’s going to be standardized, anyway. Unless they still have to produce their own KERS? {Comment #872}

    Since this is the FIA we're talking about and (for now) Max Mosley still runs it, I wouldn't guarantee any change for 2010 will or will not happen. It would not be the first time we've been told one thing only to witness a U-turn.

    A sensible team will have a plan in case the expected standardisation occurs and another plan in case it doesn't.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:12

    JA's latest blog entry is up.

    On McLaren:

    A loss of 30 points or a possible suspended two race ban seem the likely outcome tomorrow.

    On Ferrari:

    Meanwhile Ferrari seems to be the team shaping up to make threats about leaving F1. Its president Luca di Montezemolo made a flying visit to Bahrain ... and made some suggestions to the Italian media that Ferrari is not interested in F1 controlled by a £30 million budget cap, nor by standard engines.

    Although it has a seat on the world council, Ferrari was not planning to attend tomorrow’s extraordinary meeting ... But as it seems likely that Max Mosley will use the occasion to vote through the budget cap and rules for 2010, Ferrari is reviewing that decision.

    Everyone goes on about the FIA and Ferrari being hand in glove, but in 20 years in the sport I have never seen them as far apart as they are now.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:13

    JA's latest blog entry is up.

    Forgot the link: click here.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:13

    The teams who developed KERS have shot themselves in the foot in my opinion. Spent all that money only on research and developement only for standardised KERS the year after. {Comment #428}

    They have, but they had no idea it would happen at the time. When they were spending the bulk of the money, Max was saying there'd be no restrictions, and later that the only restriction would be power output.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:28

    Yes, I KNOW it's Pitpass, but these are on-the-record interviews with Bernie and Damon.

    If you didn't hate Bernie before, I'm sure you'll hate him now.

    Donington, Silverstone... Korea?

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 00:31

    Yes, I KNOW it's Pitpass, but these are on-the-record interviews with Bernie and Damon.

    If it's Pitpass I refuse to follow the link

  • me29/04/2009 at 00:33

    If it's Pitpass I refuse to follow the link

    seconded.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:33

    If it's Pitpass I refuse to follow the link

    Even if it's properly sourced and quoted on-the-record?

  • me29/04/2009 at 00:35

    Even if it's properly sourced and quoted on-the-record?

    i dislike pitpass for a completely different reasons.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:35

    max and bernie cannot force a team to sell a piece of technology to a competitor. {Comment #536}

    They effectively can, though despite several attempts they haven't succeeding in getting that right prescribed into the regulations yet. At the moment, their forcing comes in a combination of sticks and carrots to effect obligation through behind-closed-doors "negotiation". Usually they lean on whoever they think owes them the most favours, hence why it was McLaren this time, Ferrari in 2007 and Toyota in 2005 when similar situations occurred.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:36

    i dislike pitpass for a completely different reasons.

    Fair enough. Will just post bits from the article here then. Hang on.

  • me29/04/2009 at 00:37

    i dislike pitpass for a completely different reasons.

    for reference: http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/03/05/an-open-letter-to-pitpass/

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:37

    If you didn’t hate Bernie before, I’m sure you’ll hate him now. {Comment #879}

    This is normal for Bernie. He doesn't know a long-term deal when he sees one, only the quick profit. He relies on making short-term deals with such intensity and pace that when some of them fail on him, he doesn't feel the effect.

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 00:39

    Even if it's properly sourced and quoted on-the-record?

    I have not been back to that site since their attck on JYS and the Scots in general. I have no intention of ever visiting it again even if they start publishing next weeks winning lottery numbers.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:43

    their deal with FI was for an engine and a driveshaft - and that’s it. {Comment #550}

    It was considerably more than that. The FI deal is and has always been for engine, driveshaft, KERS and hydraulics (source: Autosport, November 13 2008). FI also received access to McLaren's supplier list and received Simon Roberts on secondment to manage the factory.

    The Brawn deal, on the other hand, is for engine only. Hence why they will only receive an engine from McLaren (at least this year).

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:45

    This is normal for Bernie. He doesn't know a long-term deal when he sees one, only the quick profit. He relies on making short-term deals with such intensity and pace that when some of them fail on him, he doesn't feel the effect.

    Ecclestone revealed that DVL 'had in the early days, all the funding put together, otherwise they wouldn't have started. I think because of (the recession), the banks have pulled back and left them in trouble.'

    DVL's bid to host the British GP depends on two forms of bank funding and if either were 'pulled back', as Ecclestone says has happened, it could be fatal.

    ...

    Ecclestone revealed to Sylt that if Donington cannot host the British GP then it will simply be replaced by South Korea next year.

    ...

    He vehemently denied to Sylt that he would look for a replacement if Donington fails since there is no other suitable. Sylt tongue-in-cheek raised the possibility of returning to Brands Hatch and Ecclestone said 'it would be nice if we could,' before bluntly adding: 'If there's no Donington, there's no British Grand Prix.'

    ...

    However, Ecclestone is sure to have done the sums and worked out that the 30m pound fee paid by Korea is 12m pounds more than Donington has committed to and this more than outstrips any profits which the race may make.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:47

    This afternoon’s been fun though, we went to a uni fair thing and i managed to get a lot of uni prospectuses. just flicking back through the comments quickly… {Comment #589}

    Sounds cool, lou! I went to one of those the year before I went to university and it was interesting. I only got two prospectuses though, one of which was for the local college. That's the trouble when a specialised course is wanted though - finding somewhere that does it can be tricky!

    Hope you get a good result on the psychology :)

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 00:48

    However, Ecclestone is sure to have done the sums and worked out that the 30m pound fee paid by Korea is 12m pounds more than Donington has committed to and this more than outstrips any profits which the race may make.

    I am sure he can also work out that there are a couple of empty slots in the calendar so he can go to Korea and India in the unlikely event that either has a circuit and still have a race at Silverstone.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:49

    I am sure he can also work out that there are a couple of empty slots in the calendar so he can go to Korea and India in the unlikely event that either has a circuit and still have a race at Silverstone.

    I didn't include it in what I quoted, lest it get too long, but Bernie said he only wanted 18 races because that was all the teams could 'just about live with'.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:50

    Hope you get a good result on the psychology :)

    Ooooh... psych. What kind of work do you want post-uni, lou? The great thing with psych is that you can go a lot of different ways with it.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:52

    Look at Piquet - even with his rubbishness he was able to hold off Barrichello who was in a much faster car for two laps! That fight completely justifies KERS because had Barrichello been able to use it he would have killed him!

    We have had years of slow cars holding off fast cars. Murray Walker spent decades saying catching is one thing and passing is another. {Comment #613}

    Very true, and it still applies now. Fisichella proved last race by holding off Massa for three laps despite Giancarlo having no KERS and Felipe having the device in (probably) functional state.

    KERS is killing some overtaking opportunities, but it is something against which defence is possible.

  • me29/04/2009 at 00:52

    I didn't include it in what I quoted, lest it get too long, but Bernie said he only wanted 18 races because that was all the teams could 'just about live with'.

    he's seems to forget that both german races are about to go bankrupt and spa is basically screwed.

    france is missing and valencia is subject to a political corruption scandal.

    if we're talking pure numbers, silverstone is safe as houses.

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 00:53

    I didn't include it in what I quoted, lest it get too long, but Bernie said he only wanted 18 races because that was all the teams could 'just about live with'.

    He has had 19 races before and wanted 20 before races started dropping out. We all watched coverage of the race in China where the commentators pointed out that although the drivers appeared to be talkig to the team everything they said was aimed at Charlie Whiting to influence his decision. This is the same. If circuits believe there are multiple slots available they will drop their bid. Everything Bernie ever says is spun to extract the maximum return.

    There will be a 2010 GP at Silverstone. It is a certainty.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:54

    I didn't include it in what I quoted, lest it get too long, but Bernie said he only wanted 18 races because that was all the teams could 'just about live with'.

    Oh, and my dad has confirmed with his Korean friend that construction is underway on a brand-new circuit around 2 hours out of Seoul, which should be done by next year. The circuit will be accessible by car and train (which is no surprise, given how they've taken their cues on building trains from Japan).

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:54

    I am sure he can also work out that there are a couple of empty slots in the calendar so he can go to Korea and India in the unlikely event that either has a circuit and still have a race at Silverstone. {Comment #892}

    Especially since India has already said it won't have one until 2011 at the earliest.

  • me29/04/2009 at 00:55

    Oh, and my dad has confirmed with his Korean friend that construction is underway on a brand-new circuit around 2 hours out of Seoul, which should be done by next year. The circuit will be accessible by car and train (which is no surprise, given how they've taken their cues on building trains from Japan).

    you cannot use that fact that someone has started building a track as a guarantee of anything.

    one word - donington.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:56

    he's seems to forget that both german races are about to go bankrupt and spa is basically screwed.

    German races are bankrupt, that is true. Why would Spa be screwed?

    france is missing and valencia is subject to a political corruption scandal.

    France may be missing, but Abu Dhabi took its slot, so a net change of zero. Valencia's scandal is a lot of hoo-hah about nothing - it should be more worried about producing better racing. But it'll stick around as long as Alonso is around.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:57

    I didn’t include it in what I quoted, lest it get too long, but Bernie said he only wanted 18 races because that was all the teams could ‘just about live with’. {Comment #893}

    The teams lived with 19 in 2005. What he means is that CVC's profit margin cannot live with the additional amount the teams get for the 19th race.

  • me29/04/2009 at 00:57

    German races are bankrupt, that is true. Why would Spa be screwed?

    spa have (or will have) lost its primary sponsor - ING.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:57

    one word - donington.

    Ah, but this is different - SoKor's circuit is funded by... the Korean government. And with their friends at Samsung and Hyundai, I'm pretty sure they're not running out of cash anytime soon. South Korea's model is similar to Singapore's (but less restricted), and just as successful.

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 00:57

    German races are bankrupt, that is true. Why would Spa be screwed?

    Spa is in a permanent state of financial disaster. It has been since the short version of the track returned to the calendar in the 80s. Disputes between regional and national governements and promoters etc

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:58

    The teams lived with 19 in 2005. What he means is that CVC's profit margin cannot live with the additional amount the teams get for the 19th race.

    Good point raised there. Still, that would still mean Bernie would only want 18 races, whatever reason he gave out. He still does dictate the calendar.

  • me29/04/2009 at 00:58

    The teams lived with 19 in 2005. What he means is that CVC's profit margin cannot live with the additional amount the teams get for the 19th race.

    good point.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 00:58

    Spa is in trouble for the same reason as France - it struggles to break even and the local governments are none too impressed with the burden they have to carry to keep the event alive.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 00:59

    Spa is in a permanent state of financial disaster. It has been since the short version of the track returned to the calendar in the 80s. Disputes between regional and national governements and promoters etc

    That plus losing ING... somehow, I think they'll survive. They've survived for nearly 25 years now, they'll continue to do so even beyond it. Most of them have realized that the circuit plays a big role in the province's revenues. Why else would they fund building a brand-new pit complex?

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 01:00

    Spa is in trouble for the same reason as France - it struggles to break even and the local governments are none too impressed with the burden they have to carry to keep the event alive.

    It's been dropped before (for 2003) - but the local government begged Bernie to put it back on the calendar. I don't think much has changed since then.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 01:02

    Good point raised there. Still, that would still mean Bernie would only want 18 races, whatever reason he gave out. He still does dictate the calendar. {Comment #906}

    Ah, but it is easier to persuade one person than ten teams plus one person. OK, the only persuasion techniques Bernie accepts are money-related, but his negativity is a relatively simple problem. After all, if he can arbitrarily reduce the number of races, he can arbitrarily increase them as well.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 01:04

    It’s been dropped before (for 2003) - but the local government begged Bernie to put it back on the calendar. I don’t think much has changed since then. {Comment #910}

    It got dropped for 2006 as well when the track couldn't afford to do the necessary upgrades to please the FIA. It may survive, but it could lose its slot and resurface a year or three later.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 01:04

    It got dropped for 2006 as well when the track couldn't afford to do the necessary upgrades to please the FIA. It may survive, but it could lose its slot and resurface a year or three later.

    I thought the reason it got dropped was because they were constructing the pit complex at the time, so they couldn't hold the race?

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 01:09

    So why not the gearboxes?? {Comment #653}

    Pass.

  • Steven Roy29/04/2009 at 01:10

    I thought the reason it got dropped was because they were constructing the pit complex at the time, so they couldn't hold the race?

    Not sure about 2006 but it has dropped out on a few occasions because of finance which resulted in Bernie taking over as the race promoter.

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 01:12

    I thought the reason it got dropped was because they were constructing the pit complex at the time, so they couldn’t hold the race? {Comment #913}

    The pit complex was supposed to have been ready in time for the 2006 race, but it was clear by January of that year that finances would prevent it from being done that quickly. Certain parts of the upgrade (such as the pit lane upgrade) had been required by the FIA as a condition of keeping Grade 1 status, so the delay in the pit complex stopped the Grand Prix in its tracks.

    I think the Bus Stop was getting its millionth readjustment on that basis as well, though whether it could have been done in time without the pit complex funding issue is another question entirely.

  • Journeyer29/04/2009 at 01:13

    I think the Bus Stop was getting its millionth readjustment on that basis as well, though whether it could have been done in time without the pit complex funding issue is another question entirely.

    Goodness knows why they keep fiddling with it - it doesn't even look like a Bus Stop anymore. :D

  • Alianora La Canta29/04/2009 at 01:24

    Goodness knows why they keep fiddling with it - it doesn’t even look like a Bus Stop anymore. {Comment #917}

    Unfortunately not :(