We're headlong into another week now, and facing several of them without races. For us here at Sidepodcast Towers, this is good as we can get round to all those things "on the list" that have been put off for breaking F1 news. However, we will endeavour to keep you entertained during the summer break. Let's start right now:
- The replay of the live show is up and ready if you want to catch the Debrief in its unedited glory. The podcast version should be done by tonight. Apologies it was not ready on Sunday, but I was, as Rob would say, cream-crackered.
- At the end of the live stream, we talked for a little about Sidepodradio. Don't forget to leave your voicemails for smooth transitions, sign up for a show, leave comments and questions for existing shows, and suggest a charity for our donations. It's all happening on the wiki.
- Finally, it's also worth checking out the replay of the Parade Lap, if you weren't there to listen live. Our host Alex talked us through predictions, food, blame steven, and even an homage to a certain news network. Definitely worth a look, and maybe even a second look.
That should keep you busy for now. We'll be around if anyone has any questions about Sidepodradio, and I feel another blog post coming soon. I'll see you in the comments.
wow..it's quiet around here this evening/early morning. is everyone asleep?
I'm around, pretty quiet though as you say
someone's just sent me some links to video clips of Jake doing childrens tv hehe :)
Bit like his Fake Twitter pic
hehe yes very much so :)
only he is getting stuff thrown at him.. poor Jake...
Can't be any worse than talking to EJ
haha :) maybe the bbc need to give EJ to the CBBC commentry team... they can thrown strange liquid stuff over him every time he says something
stupidFinally getting round to putting up some Montreal pics. Realise I didn't take very many at all
ooo photos yay!! :D
Slow to upload but will post link when there
yay :) i'm off to go listen to a few podcasts in bed. night Bassano, and anyone else who is around x
See ya Lou
Someone pick a topic to discuss?
Err
[thinks]
Holiday plans?
I've had mine blown out of the water by my cousin getting married in Greece
Though I'm sure that will be fun too
Maybe not then ;)
Not much really. Moving to England in 2 weeks or so. Going to college there, plus my sister had her kid recently so me and mum want to be over there, and we've wanted to move for years anyway.
So no holiday plans as such.
Which college?
Basingstoke College Of Technology. Doing games design, 3D modeling, that sort of thing. Looking forward to it.
Sounds good, I used to have family in Basingstoke
Very late but have put some more on Flickr from Montreal
Really need to sort out the wonky ones though :)
Think I will catch up on some tv
See ya Joe, if you're around
Night mate.
Did you get to try any of the beers from Unibroue?
HI guys, what's up?
117 minutes til home time! Yay i can SLEEP!
18 minutes since I arrived :(
Not very many other people :(
G'day everyone.
Morning Sean!
Genuine question... At what times can G'day be used? All times? Or is it more of a mornings thing?
Pretty much whenever, although I'd say only use it when its daylight.
Then G'night?
Not really.
So what do you do when it's dark and you see somebody for the first time... Actually G'Night wouldn't make sense that would be like it's time to go. It's more like we'd say "evening".
Do we really have to have 4 weeks of this Piquet leaving nonsense? Can't they just say for sure that he's going now?
We say evening too. Or just, you know, hello.
Hmm, I've just started using Twitter, and I don't know what I should make of it yet...
install tweetdeck, it helps
Hello?
What devilry is this? ;)
I always begin with Ahoy Hoy.
We also have a way of communicating through grunts. Only Australians will be able to interpret it. For more information, go to Australia or check out the bonus features on Adam Hills live dvd.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/nelsinho-jpg
Renault has this image in their photocollection from Hungarian GP for the media.
Hmm, looked through the settings, can't seem to find a way of minimising it to the toolbar like most things can. Can you?
Hidily-ho also works quite well.
:)
I keep it mninimised both on PC and or Mac, works fine. I only bring it up when beep announces something new
Yeah, but I don't like having things all over my tray. It's just me I guess, I prefer minimising it down to the clock area.
I have just listened back to the parade lap...
I feel like we've done a jake and have the open talkback that goes on in my ear while we're doing the parade lap ;) The secrets are revealed because there is more in the replay video than actually went out live!
Oh really? That's not good.
Nothing bad on there at all! It's a lot of Mr C saying, "um wave, ah I see I think I need to reboot the server," and the feed cuts out!
Ah. If it is the bit where everything died that is not so bad. I thought you meant when we chatter as the songs are on.
The secrets I describe are not very interesting secrets. They are very much of the type, "Christine and me carried on typing and giggling while Mr C was panicking".
Hehehehe. The way it should be :)
I am still jealous of your insider access ;)
Ah no. None of that went out. Although I'm still careful in those bits because I remember your warning from many weeks ago!
Massa news:
Bocskai told Hungarian television: "He's woken up (from sedation) more and more often now and he's able to communicate actively, that is, he reacts when he's talked to. We are optimistic, in our hope a slow recovery is beginning."
You wouldn't want to be caught saying anything bad about Heikki, would you? ;)
I can picture it now
"That Kovalainen! So rubbish! Lets all laugh! .....what do you mean we're broadcasting?"
I assure you the nukes would already be heading toward the UK. ;)
heh! If you heard the conversation while the music is playing it would be very much of the style...
Mr C: "Alex have you finished that bit yet."
Alex: "No."
*typing ensues*
Christine: "45 seconds to the end of the track."
Mr C: "I haven't been reading the comments, I've been on twitter, anyone kept up with the comments"?
*reading ensues*
Next you'll be telling me you know Mr C's real name or *gasp* what he looks like. ;)
And Christine would be saying, "45 seconds until nukes arrive, sorry amy"
Good morning, Europe! :D
"T-minus 45 seconds and counting..."
:D
Morning Journeyer, how goes it?
Good evening from non-Europe.
hi all. just came into highlight the bbc article about asking mark webber a question. have to go and write reports by lunch. oh the joy.
nice :)
haha :) maybe the bbc need to give EJ to the CBBC commentry team… they can thrown strange liquid stuff over him every time he says something stupid {Comment #8}
I'm not sure EJ's tendency to swear would be appreciated by the CBBC execs...
My week has been off to a good start. Let's see if this keeps up. :)
Good to hear about Massa. Just realized something - his accident (and hopefully, a full recovery) will endear him even more to the hearts of the tifosi. He'll be remembered fondly whatever happens to him, regardless of whether he wins titles or not.
Finally getting round to putting up some Montreal pics. Realise I didn’t take very many at all {Comment #9}
I'm sure you took more than me. I took ten photos, of which three turned out to be black rectangles and most of the others were distant shots of the top of Force India's motorhome. The one I took of the drivers' parade is laughably bad - mostly it's a picture of the front of the lorry, with an amorphous blur of people just to the left of it...
Holiday plans? {Comment #16}
My holiday was last month...
Massa news:
Bocskai told Hungarian television: “He’s woken up (from sedation) more and more often now and he’s able to communicate actively, that is, he reacts when he’s talked to. We are optimistic, in our hope a slow recovery is beginning.” {Comment #58}
Now that is good news. Communication is a goid sign at this early stage. Hope the progress in recovery remains fast :)
Why is a Hungarian defence ministery spokesperson the one making the statements? Is he at a military hospital?
Good question. I guess it could be because it's an international thing?
Ah, later on he says:
"There are experienced army soldiers in the medical team that is working around him. The doctors who completed the operation had experiences with some really extreme injuries, amongst them Colonel (Lajos) Zsiros, who has attended many military missions. He is the leading surgeon of the Hungarian Defence Forces."
Ah. I should finish articles before I start commenting on them :D
Good morning everyone.
Morning Lukeh, how are ya?
Hello there.
Not so bad, had a loooooooong sleep which I needed :) Have a few things today to get done so hopefully a productive few hours ahead!
anyone read the new GP+ mag ? guys must have been busy, unusal number of errors this time :-)
Very good. It's nice to get to the end of the day and know you've achieved lots.
Also, I've started using Google Chrome because Firefox is just annoying me now but for some reason 5 or 6 times out of 10 Chrome doesn't actually load webpages :/
Any reason for this at all? Or perhaps a problem with my router or something else? Firefox didn't load but I'd say that was once a day, not every few pages...
Just listening to the debrief because of all of the several telephone calls and dinner that meant I had to miss large chunks.
I think it's funny that Mr C is still upset about the time Christine kept his show notes away from him!
That was my first exciting foray into the interactive world of Sidepodcast. It was my suggestion (don't tell Mr C). It was a thrill to have a small comment from the comments make it to the show! :)
I can't help, it doesn't do that for me. Did you try turning it off and on again? :D
I think I shall just sit here and shout at it :D
I have a feeling it was my router anyways. Have been messing about with a few settings and it seems not only faster but no annoying moments yet.
Ah, you were a troublemaker right from the start! ;)
Absolutely :) Never said I wasn't :)
We can rebuild it! Faster, Stronger and with no annoying moments.
The Million Dollar Router!
Hmm. I'm hungry... and I need to go over the shop to send some packages off... and Greggs is next door to the post office.
I think the packages are leading me to something.
They are an enabler.
Blimey. At this rate, you will be our official Greggs runner :)
don't worry. i expected that and new it would be the case.
didn't swear for that very reason.
blimey. that really is the best.
i thought it was fun until about 5 minutes into the show, when fun turned swiftly to panic.
You mentioned it at the time which was a big saving grace!
They clearly don't mess about in these situations which is exactly what we want to hear.
I like the sound of this
Is there any kind of Greggs loyalty scheme?
Ooh. There should be. For every sausage roll you get 10 reward points, and when you get to 100, you get a free dessert of your choice and a badge telling you that 'Greggs is Super Awesome'
do you deliver internationally?
just reading this comment from kathi. makes for some rather frightening reading. esp:
" I’ve changed this team at least a million times (2 Million worth of changing fines to be correct)"
wow.
If you put that much effort in, you deserve every single t-shirt you get!
See, this weekend's win is strange. I like this image. I'm no Mclaren fan but there's genuine happiness there between Whitmarsh and Lewis I reckon and it's nice to see them enjoying it after a tough season so far.
Then I see this image, and all I can think of is the word 'smug'. Bleh.
She looks smug. I'd say he looks releaved.
Yeah it's her rather than lewis. it just annoys me!
Even more frightening: My change history has reached page 7. About 14o changes during the season until now.
Hehe. It doesn't feel like that much effort. A bit of "this one?" "oh no better this one" "or sell this and buy the other two" after second practice on Friday and then just the usual Sunday during/post-race changes. That's all. That's not too bad is it ...
Oh. My name is Kathi and I am a fantaholic.
:D
I want to be Jensons girlfriend for the food
http://twitpic.com/bt6fr
75p! What a steal.
Oh and the food looks nice too.
Hey everyone, I hope your all well!
What do people think of Renaults suspension from European (Valencia) race?
100% okay with it. it was dangerous and stupid.
I think that if (which is what the FIA are suggesting) the team knew that the wheel wasn't safe before Alonso left the pit lane, but they didn't tell Alonso they deserve the punishment. Alonso was on the pit radio saying that he thought the car had a puncture.
Teams have always been in trouble for not informing their drivers of dangers like that. (except perhaps Kimi's dangerous exhaust last year)
I agree with the suspension, although I wouldn't be surprised if they end up racing in Valencia and the suspension is held back till Monza or somewhere like Joe says in his blog. People will speculate they got the suspension because of the state of affairs in motorsport concerning tyre safety and other areas within the past week but regardless of that the team completely messed up the pitstop and obviously didn't inform Alonso well enough as he thought it was a puncture.
Although I do think, if they don't race in Valencia, it'll put a big downer on the european GP as I can see a lot of the spanish media and fans ignoring the event without Alonso there.
gazzetto della sport here in italy has listed four people as the replacements for massa. schumacher (despite denials from his manager yesterday), badoer, gene and some young german guy who i've already forgotten about.
Huelkenburg?
what do you think of it Kostia?
bleh indeed. saw some great photos of lewis this morning, but most of I'd class as "surprise"
yep.
my flatmate has decided she might go to the Abu Dhabi GP. She also told me that she thinks Webber will take the championship (#sorrylou) "because he is very consistent and the Brawn is slow now"
I didn't know she followed F1?
it's an effort to connect. I'm having non f1 people ask me things today. nice to be in demand ;) but why Abu Dhabi??
truth be told she has been to more races than I have, she's gone to the Aus GP the last 4 years or so "but I find it boring on TV" says she.
She gets a discount with Etihad and is going to Europe at the end of the year and is pondering going via Abu Dhabi if the dates match up with the race.
Hello Kostia!
Hard but fair, I think. It's a conspiracy theorist's dream, though.
Justifiable then. Interesting she finds it boring on TV whereas I got quite bored at the one race I went to. Mind you, with Schumacher and Barrichello it was a ferrari doubleshot and I was going to be bored regardless of where I was!
Hi all. 1st comment.
The claim that Renault 'knowingly' released an unsafe car is a little strong, that would be deliberately sabotaging their own race. If Renault are punished, why shouldn't the stewards also be reprimanded for not black flagging him once it was clear that the wheel was loose. Brundle spotted it minutes before it came off and the stewards are ultimately responsible for safety aren't they?
I can't believe 24 hours later the tedkravitzfacts are still going
Good to hear from you Brett! Welcome!
Two things...
1) It would be better for them to try and get him back to the pits, they couldn't reverse him down the pitlane. So there is a chance it was worth them trying to keep him going
2) I totally agree he should have been black flagged. Very poor stewarding there.
Ah, yeah I didn't think that maybe they were trying to send him all the way round. That is a rather irresponsible, especially if they didn't tell FA to drive very slowly. I can see why they would have done it though.
Twitter now has faketedkravitz
Doesn't the black flag only come out on the start-finish line, though? I'm basing this on my foggy memory of Schumi at GBR 1994 and Frentzen at AUS 2002.
5 minutes ago from Rubens on Twitter:
Apparently they didn't tell him.
howdy.
very true.
i can only assume that the stewards think renault did what they deliberately. e.g. got pole and then stuffed the pitstop to hide the fact the car has no pace?
we haven't heard the radio conversation (what happened to the fia releasing relevant bit related to stewards discussions?), but maybe the whole "i think i have a puncture", was nothing more than a charade.
It should be a black flag with an orange circle I think from memory. Just a black flag means come back to the pits...
*goes to check*
black flag is shown on the timing screens, so no.
Apparently...
The problem would appear that there isn't one which says, stop where you are... But they could have ordered the team to make him do that over the radio and shown him that one.
what do you mean, mr. c?
orange is "mechanical problem, pull over now". i guess it's a tough call because it initially looked like it was just the spinner that was loose.
welcome Brett. we like new people :)
I thought he should have been black flagged as well. The stewards have to make that call and tell the marshalls - there was no way a marshall could spot the wobbly tyre out there. I'm still shocked that Alonso didn't stop on track by his own choice, but he thought he had a puncture so no massive danger.
RANT WARNING!
Ye well I think 1 thing Scott. Everybody but ferrari gets penalties and it makes me hate ferrari and the sole reason they get no loving from me. Seems awefuly biased right, as I see it Ferrari is a bully in F1. Bully: "he started it, I swear!" sort of thing. Multiple pit stop exit lights failures by ferrari plus kimis exhaust are some of the things.
"Situation is different in the case of Alonso, because the team knew, dumb Kostia" yes but a race suspension, you have got to be joking. Ferrari the sole of Motorsport, well wonderful things like Ferrari and FIA cannot stay forever now can they. (Of course they can stay forever as long they love each other).
Presumably Renault planned this in the Hollywood studio where the Moon landings were staged? :)
i'm glad you found it which flag it was - i knew there was one. i saw it in GP2 or something last year.
I really don't think this is likely.
I think they just wanted to get him back round to the pits.
I am so sick of *these* conspiracies. The moon landings were faked in russia, and that's what makes it more impressive ;)
only a conspiracy theory. but if renault do want to sell... one way to get a good price could be to:
- guarantee pole
- run at the front
- find a single fall guy on which to blame stuffing the race (in this case the wheel man)
- alonso pretends he thinks he has a puncture.
doesn't seem likely, but without access to the radio calls, it's hard to make a judgement.
yeah i have to agree with Alex, but has anyone seen a loose wheel survive a whole lap? incredibly "optimistic" on their part, but i prefer the word "foolish"
Well they must have thought, we have two choices have him pull over now and guarantee DNF or hope for the best
nope. i think BoL pointed out on the renault blog that one of the stewards was the same guy who embarrassed himself by crashing a renault off the start line a while back.
that seems far more likely to be the reason to me. hence the immediate appeal.
best way to do that is to tell the driver the wheel might fall off and drive accordingly.
conspiracies are fun, but surely a buyer will look at the overall performance, and not just the on track stuff. anyone can see how light the guy was.
But wouldn't that guarantee an unsafe release penalty?
i doubt flav was involved unless there was money to be made ;)
yeah but that might not have been a suspension.
Joe did as well
That's a rather risky way of bluffing your way out. :D I'd have done something less risky, like busting a gearbox or getting him to run out of fuel.
or let Piquet drive both cars for the race ;)
no, but if alonso really thought he had a puncture he likely would've driven faster than if he thought the wheel would come off. a puncture would've damaged the front wing, but not much more.
Mohammad Bin Sulayem? The guy who arranged ~40 votes for Max at teh last FIA election! Wow. Thats interesting.
What is BoL?
What I mean is if the team come on the radio and say, "we know your wheel isn't attached".
blue and orange lion. he comments here and on the renault blog.
as alex pointed out, joe mentioned the connection here too:
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/renault-f1-suspended-from-european-gp/
there are conspiracies that this is the most pro Max set of stewards you could assemble. Renault are led by Flav which has pushed FOTA. Max doesn't like FOTA and therefore theories suggest this is why renault got banned. i still think renault have themselves to blame on this,.
harder to put the blame on one man who "made a mistake" though?
Brett it was your first comment today, but were you the Brett who wrote in for feedback last night on the podcast?
it was pretty dumb, given they may have hauled themselves onto the podium with a three stop strategy.
Yep. Was surprised and pleased when it was read :)
Hurray :)
i guess a podium was a real chance but I think I'd written them off by then. not sure i remember everything that happened after qualy2.
twas a long shot, the car wasn't very fast. kimi fluffed his stop though and it may given the man a chance.
Get well soon felipe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjK159dJtxs
Get well soon felipe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjK159dJtxs
Very nice video, i like.
Morning all, how are we all today?
boo for jenson. on whether he's conformable with his lead:
"For sure, not. I have lost 15 points to Webber over the past three races, and that is massive."
for.sure.not. well done sir.
Content :)
why so?
Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm.
...nope. I can't explain that one. Harnessing the power of Borat maybe.
For sure not!!!
Even Lou can't defend that surely!
I'm half asleep, had a nice lunch, and thinking about going outside to smell the flowers in the sunshine....
that, sounds like my kinda day.
i am work but it's clear to me that not a lot is going to get done today (I am at work), so why both trying? How are you doing Jon?
I'm imagining Lou's defense:
"Um he was probably really tired and was going to write a much longer text but then realised that he was at the character limit and had to chop some words out. It was probably origionally going to be 'For my greatest fan Lou I would like her to be sure that I have not stopped thinking she is the most important thing in my life. However there is a dark cloud looming on the horizon. I have lost 15 points to Webber over the past three races, and that is massive.'"
oops I over bolded near the end there but you get the idea.
nice try Alex :)
Haha, those days happen often for me...without the working..
I'm doing pretty good thanks for asking, i woke up at 9, stayed in bed till 11.30 watching West Wing, then got up, attempted to make potato wedges which i burnt quite impressively, then made a cheese toastie (which i didn't burn, woop), now im back in bed watching West Wing attempting to come up with some sort of contingency plan to what i'll do if i'm not fully well before university in september :)
Ive been told that Mirko Bortolotti could stand in for Massa, has anybody else heard anything about this or any other potential stand in should Massa not be fit to race.
hmmmm
:D
i don't even know where you got that from... can i have a link so that i can defend him? ;)
oh and afternoon :) i always seem to appear as someone says something about Jenson or Brawn it's kinda scary..
I haven't heard anything, but i can't imagine Ferrari would let a guy who's only had 1 test in an F1 car.
It;s from Autosport:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77368
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77368
can't wait.
:D
oh and you can't defend him by the next thing he says, because he uses 'for sure' in that quote too
for sure she can't.
I think my defense is the only one.
She can for sure not.
NobleF1:
Budapest hospital officials will hold a press conference later to reveal details about Massa's condition.
Doctors suspect he has some damage to his eye, but do not know how serious
ahh shucks. not good :(
Oh dear :(
I think you should watch more West Wing because you pretend you're in the situation room and then you can come up with a contingency plan. There's a few fans around here of that show, including me, who got through every episode earlier this year.
Oh noes. :(
well ... as you know, he is a racing driver so his education was maybe compromised by the amount of time he spent training and racing, he doesn't boast to be good at English ;)
It also seems that being in f1 means that you need to say 'for sure' a lot... maybe he got confused by someone around him saying 'for sure' at the time, or realised he had not said it in a while and used it as 'thinking time' like a lot of people use 'er' as a chance to think quickly about answers... either that or he changed his answer half way through by saying 'for sure....not.' but the interviewer didn't include the ellipsis.
i think you're a lurker. i'm going off for a walk. later folks.
have a nice walk! have fun!
have fun! :)
A walk? Outside? Don't say you weren't warned.
oh :( poor Massa.
i have defended Jenson, and now i must leave :P am off to my Nan's in search of more details about my family tree :) (tis really fun) speak to you all later!! x
Ooh, awesome. Good luck with it again! :)
ha, have fun!
Afternoon.
Evening.
Morning
Apparently mini vettel is called Fabian, i now think he is awesome. What a cool name
G'Day
(is this right Sean?)
I'm sure it wouldn't sound right if you actually said it. ;)
But yeah, it's fine.
Here's my attempt: http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/memo-5
:D
Don't worry, it sounds worse when Americans try. ;)
At least I didn't include "Bruce" on the end.
That was a LONG film. 6 hours and 20 minutes! 4 VHS tapes. *not available on dvd... :(8
Utterly magnificent though.
If you can get hold of it - The Godfather - 1902-1959 - The Complete Epic is one of the best films I've ever seen!
Full Autosport Story on the Doctors fear for Massa's eye:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77379
Just to say, having minimal sight in one eye isn't necessarily a stopper of racing, a guy raced in Le Mans with only sight in one eye.
Theres always hope!
I think F1 is a bit different though. It's also for the safety of everyone else.
Still, best wishes for Massa and may he see and race again.
Aw man. That would be such a shame for him not to race again... :(
Whats the difference? Le Mans drivers have to cope with more cars, bigger closing speeds. I'm not saying it won't effect it, i'm just saying that others have raced with only one eye before.
Paul Drayson - Drives a biofuelled Aston Martin Vantage in GT2
Aha yeah, him. He's the minister for something, i forget what
Speaking only in hypotheticals. If his retina is damaged for example the vibrations might cause him to lose his sight. That would be a very difficult choice to make.
Minister of State for Science and Innovation.
Thats the sausage, he did a good interview on RadioLeMans about the Thrust SSC thing, and how he got the FIA to change their mind by taking disabilitys case by case, instead of as a blanket issue.
Have finished my first blog entry out of 4 or 5 that are still being drafted up... just talking about how we seem to be going more and more into these new tracks that I personally don't like. Give it a read if you have some spare time :)
Thrust SSC was 12(?) years ago - I know I was at uni and we had it come round and as Aerospace students - got to climb over it and now lives in Coventry.
Bloodhound SSC perhaps? ;)
Is there a feed anywhere? I never remember to check blogs without a feed.
Thats the one! I got the SSC bit right :D
Like this? That's the RSS feed at least, I don't know anything about all that though :P
That's the one. ;) I couldn't find it.
:D
The engines are pretty special in BHSSC
A prototype Eurojet EJ200 Eurofighter engine will take the car to 300 mph
A bespoke hybrid rocket will boost the car up to 1,000 mph.
An 800 bhp petrol engine, is an APU and to drive the oxidiser pump for the rocket.
800bhp for a fuel pump?! :D
ah yeah, i love things like that. its a proper engineering project :D
Night everyone, catch y'all later.
night!
G'Night!
Looks like the Ferrari website has gone down.
Okay it's back now.
Night Sean
Theres a fly buzzing round me, i want to go all Obama on his ass, but i think the animal rights people may have a go at me.
No surprise but..
The FIA Safety Commission has been asked to prepare a report into the Surtees and Massa crashes
Just as they should.
Oh dear.
Enclosed cockpits to be proposed sometime soon then.
agreed. as i said in the last day or two, it should be mandatory for EVERY accident where there cockpit light goes on, or a medic is required. or something. not sure how to define it but i am happy they are looking at this issue.
:) now that was funny. talk about commander in chief.
unlikely but would depend on the type of damage to the retina.
Nice words from Luca as well. Interesting snippet:
"I'm heading back to Maranello with Domenicali, who will make suggestions how to substitute the Brazilian driver until he returns, which I hope will be very soon. We'll make a decision when the time is right, considering that there's a break of a month now."
How long before the race will they make their decision, I wonder.
I figure we'll hear officially in the week before the race, but strong rumours the week prior to that.
just read another italian paper's predictions: Gene (50%), Schumacher (30%) Other (incl, alonso, 20%). it's interesting that Schumy drive story won't go away.
Afternoon all.
The beer run was a success - also I now have 48 cans of un-named illegal energy drink ;)
i guess it's more feasible than Alonso. but quite frankly, i think Alonso's more likely to drive that Ferrari than Schumi is.
I just saw someone say that Brawn should be banned for the spring incident. Considering Renault were banned for what could have been a potential accident, a Brawn ban for an actual accident doesn't sound harsh.
that's an interesting point hadn't considered that. rubens continued around the track too.
What? Inconsistency from the stewards in F1? Never!
Hello all
that's a given, but do you think brawn should be banned too?
Also, the Brawn incident was an accident, but so was the Renault one and they were banned. I'm really just repeating what I said but still.
Afternoon.
Just finished all day lectures so immediately checked on news of Felipe. I really hope and pray the eye damage is not as bad as suggested in the news. I did wonder after seeing THAT photograph whether the eye could be an issue but kept my thoughts to myself. On a more positive note I thought the video Forza Felipe, Siamo Con Te posted on YouTube was very touching. It is clear to me that without taking extreme measures safety could still be improved. One suggestion is to ban the wheel bins and to be stricter if a car is observed to have parts flapping (Kimi and the exhaust spring to mind). Having said that I still find a lot ambiguity in FIA in their penalties Renault vs Red Bull incidents. Yes Renault made mistakes and considering DeSeb's Australian GP Fernando should have been told by the team to retired the car when the wheel came off. I do not blame the driver for continuing (in either case) but I think this is an area where greater clarity could be exercised e.g. if you loose a wheel you must take the car off the track to a safe position. Yes there will grey areas like if you loose the tyre. Possibly by simulating various scenarios (even in a wind tunnel) danger to other drivers could be assessed for various parts that could potentially fall off. From this analysis guidelines could be drawn up. I agree that in both of the recent accidents this would not have helped, but we need to look to the future by learning what is possible from the past. A few years ago a delamination of a truck tyre hit my car while I was driving at night about 70 mph. The damage was fairly extensive despite keeping some distance behind the truck. I realised bits flying off can travel large relative distances.
renault's appeared to be human error. do we know if brawn's was, or was it material failure?
hullo squire.
I'd say if Renault remain banned, Brawn should get it too.
I think Renault getting banned was either (a) a typical knee-jerk reaction from the FIA after someone gets hurt or (b) a cynical way to allow Alonso to race a Ferrari in his home GP.
Consider this though. The Spanish fans only really care about Alonso and from the ones I know, there's no way they'll even watch if he doesn't race...
ooh, that's interesting. hadn't thought about that.
Renault didn't get the ban for the wheel coming off. THey got banned for not using a compulsory safety device to prevent that happening so it is a bit different.
However the Bran thing is veryweird for me. I have never known a front running team have a spring/damper unit just fall off the car. I would have said that such a thing was impossible without serious contact being made.
Hey Steven :)
Shortly after the accident happened, we were told he was alright. Now it's gotten very bad. Turnaround. :(
listening to bbc newsreaders mispronouncing luca's name is rather amusing.
Before one starts talking about banning Brawn you need to assess how preventable was the incident. To be honest Renault there were several points of issue - should Alonso have driven back to the pits on three wheels is just one?
To be fair it's a little better than it was the other night when the word 'life threatening' was being thrown around everywhere :(
I'm very concerned about the eye injury that the doctors mentioned this morning myself, but at least Felipe it seems has responded very well to the surgery and what the doctors have done so far to save him.
From this pic it seems like quite a secure piece to just fall off, so maybe it was just worn out?
By the way, the piece that fell off is piece #1...
What was the other stuff to fall out? There was another object or two that fell out as Barrichello went around the corner, then the spring fell out as he went down the straight obviously.
But Lord Paul Drayson is only sighted in one eye and he lobbied the FIA to give him a racing licence. I'm more worried about a head injury TBH...
drivers frequently drive back to the pits with punctures. lewis has made a career out of doing so.
I worded that wrong, of course the head injury is bad. I meant the eye injury alongside that concerns me too when they're still unsure of what that issue is or so was being reported this morning.
Both are very serious and I wouldn't say you can prioritise one over the other.
I guess they will want to give the new guy at least on straight line test or a demo run somewhere first. Effectively they only need to make the announcement about a week before the race,
but a punctured wheel still has contact with the ground, right? it still does function as a wheel, if barely.
If it's a Gene or a Schumacher or an Alonso, they won't need too much running. If it's a Borlotti or some other youngster, they'd need some of that.
hardly. it's more dangerous isn't it? bit flying around and taking out bit of bodywork with it.
...which also is done slowly while damaging the car. If Alonso felt unsafe doing it, he wouldn't have bothered...
It takes two bolts to fail for it to fall off. Presumably one failed and the spring/damper worked the other one loose flailing around.
I understood your meaning. They are both bad and career threatening. You are just worried because it's not just a bad knock to the noggin!
i thought he drove back very well. the front wing survived almost entirely intact.
Another FAIL for the ban on in-season testing then.
The spring is effectively wrapped round a damper. So the first part was the damper.
aren't said names exempted from the ban, tho? i know there are exemptions for certain people.
I was a bit annoyed with James Allen's tweet, I know he was attempting to balance sensational news but he did not attribute enough seriousness to the accident. Joe's comments though were spot on and his professionalism showed through. You have to wait to determine what the damage is in an accident such as this. Hospital staff have stated that if he had not been operated on he would have died - that is life-threatening in anyone's language.
So did I - reminded me of Steven's favourite driver actually!
agreed. all the safety concerns around tim, were down to that too.
All things considered, I think Tim/Bob/Not Seb did brilliantly!
joe had more characters to play with though :)
I am annoyed James Allen posted that photo.
As has much of the MSM?
Once the wheel has gone there is no reall danger carrying on with only three. All sorts of drivers have done that. Schumacher did most of a lap of Spa like that in 1998 because he wanted to thump DC and we saw the vid of Gilles recently in a car that still had some suspension travel drive a lap of Zandvoort with only two wheels touching the ground for most of it.
How times change...
my point is Red Bull where fined in Australian for DeSeb attempting to bring back a three-wheeled car - does this not set a precedent? I looking for guidance on safety and consistency in regulation.
if anyone is bored, i'm on radionow telling stupid stories
That's why I think it's a knee-jerk reaction or a way to make an opening for Alonso to Ferrari. There are no precedents when it comes to FIA rulings which is interesting considering their head was a top lawyer.
The poblem there was he drove with the fourth wheel still attached to the car and flailing around. Had it come off there could have been an accident. For me once the wheel has detached there is no danger in an F1 driver finishing a lap on 3 wheels other than the speed difference.
Interesting he compares it to Lauda...
I agree. Alonso was in total control. Nanny state F1 for the win.
I would not think a one-eyed driver should be allowed to drive an F1 car - you simply cannot have the same judgement of distances and put other drivers at risk. wrt head injury there are example of drivers retuning to the track and being OK - the devil is in the detail of the damage to the brain.
Very good point, that. Did Lauda suffer any skull damage then?
*Collapses*
Hello everyone :)
But Paul Drayson did Le Mans and did the ALMS last year?
He suffered severe burns and respiratory damage IIRC. Steven?
From Mr. Noble:
#sidepodspace update
I am way behind today.
We are now 2 hours 45 minutes into the final spacewalk of the STS127 mission. It should last around another 4 hours.
I agree he drove back well, certainly I do not blame Fernando for the penalty - in fact I think it is very hard on him - except he will not miss the European GP because money will talk.
whose money, though?
When Lauda was still gravelly ill they signed someone (Reggazoni?) to replace him. That was the main reason Lauda was back racing in 6 weeks because he was about to lose his drive. It was incredibly callous.
For sure i am back and neighbours is on, for sure it will be no different than usual and i am certain, for sure that i will watch the simpsons after.
Just taking a page out of Jenson's book there
Driving with three wheels needs to established as safe - could parts not get damaged, dislodged and strike other drivers?
The problem is the did not use the restraining pin thing. That was made mandatory to stop wheels flying off cars. If people break a mandatory safety rule they have to be hammered.
*for sure not
I don;t think there was any bone damage. Just burns and inhalation of smoke
For sure
Hi Nick
Why did they not use the pin? Because he was released too early?
You could argue that Ferrari should have been banned after Singapore last year because of the Fuel hose thing...
I've never seen an F1 car using a pin like all the other single wheel nut cars do
ello ello
The race will not be as well attended, possibly less TV audience and I think Bernie would not want this. He is the real boss here.
Well duh! If the helmet had not been as good there would have been more damage. Not exactly something that should take 48 hours to figure out.
But would that be enough to get Renault reinstated? Especially if the ban is politically motivated?
Martin Haven's take on Renault's penalty....
The Man has a point you know!
Competition for obvious quote of the week i think!
They will be allowed to race under appeal. But if they lose, won't the penalty be harsher?
I have seen lost of cars over the years do a complete lap on three wheels. Now that there is effectivlel no suspension travel the only things likely to be damaged are the floor, front wing and diffuser and we see those damaged in every minor collision anyway.
I asked last night (when no-one was around, arent i clever) that if renault appeal, it will take more than 4 weeks to be seen by the appeals court and so they will surely race under appeal?
Can I ask again, why did Renault not use the pin? Because he was released too early?
You could argue that Ferrari should have been banned after Singapore last year because of the Fuel hose thing...
Massa didn't make it to the track though.
What pin is this? I've never seen one used in F1, other series yes, but not F1
That's what Joe S said. JA said that the Court of Appeal might meet during the break to discuss that.
The car was released early and they took no action to stop him. You could see from the onboard slow mo tha the whell was not properly attached before Alonso had even straightened the car up in the pit lane. It could easily have been wheeled back and fixed.
But by driving down the pit lane with a heavy hose full of fuel swinging about, surely he was endangering people?
Thats stupid, but not banworthy. Raikkonen's exhaust hanging by the sensor wire on the other hand...
How did they hope for him to do a whole lap like that?
Absolutely, but I think the two situations are different.
#sidepodspace update
I am further behind than I thought and NASA's info is even more useless. Today's spacewalk just finished after 4 hours 54 minutes. It was originally scheduled to last 6 and a half hours so I have no idea why the early finish.
Last weeks spacewalks were only starting around this time.
It's not really a pin. There is a pull out or push in device in the middle of the wheel that locks it in place.
You are missing my point. I am sayong test this to see what are the risks and what could come off or review the history. Rules should be formulated based on observation - if it is safe then it can be built into guidelines. We have had two accidents, which I am sure could not have been prevented, but lets look to see what sort of incidents could be prevented. I have also never said Renault should be banned.
I'm not so sure on that one ... After an unsafe release the driver continued knowing that he may endanger some one if it flew off ... and the other incident was Alonso!
it finished early? what does Christine think of that?
Finishing early is fine. Starting ahead of schedule is not.
Fair enough.
just checking the rules of sidepodtime ;)
Sidepodtime has rules?
Is this not a similar risk to DeSeb in Australia?
You could say DerSeb's incident was his choice alone after he hit another car... but like I said, the FIA never considers past incidents.
No he doesn't. The retaining device does not affect whether or not the wheel stays on. The wheel nut does that. They could have thought that the wheel nut was on properly but for some reason the retaining device wouldn't engage and then thought that no-one will ever know so we will just chance it.
If that is what happened it has to be stopped from happening again.
I thought they had appealed and it was going to take more than 4 weeks to hear the appeal
Didnt know that, ta
The last part of the article makes sense though...
You can correct me but I seem to recall the team instructed him to bring the car back.
The BBC commentary spotted that they were having trouble fitting the wheel so I assume there wa some problem that caused it.
flexible ones :)
JA said the Court of Appeal might meet during the summer break to hear the appeal.
No need, you're probably right!
Has Alonso stopped or been stopped before he left the pits there would have been no penalty. Had Massa done a lap with the hose he would have been penalised.
Everybody arguing about racing instead of politics?
F1 is getting boring... *yawn*
Absolutely but it was a no win situation. He is not allowed to stop at another team's pit and he is not allowed to stop in the fast lane
That was blatant bias by the stewards.
It also happened to the dutch guy at Spyker a few years ago in France (might have been 2007) - he went on the track with the hose and Spyker were not banned.
And there's the incident in France last year with Kimi's exhaust - a similar size, shape and weight to the piece that hit Massa.
:D
Massa did stop and it was really rather funny to see the mechanics do the the sprint to his car.
Back to how it was!
I agree,i i have just heard about this Renault penalty.
Why is it not the driver... who was dangerous being penalised.
Oh, its Alonso...
The other thing that was odd was that it wasn't just mechanics that ran down the pitlane - Ian Phillips was in the Force India pitlane and he swears he saw Ferrari Personnel not in fireproof gear running down the pitlane...
Actually was it not rather larger, heavier and hotter - a rather nastier piece of F1 shrapnel!
Hotter would be better as it would help the debris deform in an accident
I really feel sorry for the other Renault driver if the team do get banned for a a race.
You are absolutely right in the approach you want Rich. I doubt whether the FIA will show the same intelligence.
For me the Surtees accident is entirely preventable. I have been arguing since the 80s that F1 and other single seater classes should have overhead protection like Top Fuel dragsters. Had that been in place none of us would even know about Surtees's car being hit by a wheel.
I have also argued for the same time that there should be bars in front of and behind the wheels of single seaters to stop one launching over another. Had that been the case Clarke's wheel would not have been launched across the track.
I 10000% agree
Assuming it connected just below the helmet!
Did you guys hear about Montoya - he got penalised while winning the race for speeding on pit road (They don't use a limiter)
Check out this video about a minute in to hear what he said over the radio. God I miss this guy in F1!
I am waiting for NASA to post something saying what they achieved. I don't believe they finished an hour and a half early and completed their list especially as there were tasks left over from the first three spacewalks.
Correct
I hope PK gets the Ferrari drive if Felipe cant continue.
Very good to hear that the signs are looking better for him though
"Thank you, NASCAR, for screwing my day."
It'll be interesting to see when JPM switched his limiter off. It seems he and the stewards see it differently.
I have a freebie NASCAR game somewhere and every time you pit the engineer is in your ear saying stick to 3500 revs in second
From Martin Brundle's column:
You a right Steven ideas such as yours could tested - even modelled with their fancy computers. Without being ridiculous I think it is still possible to get safer still. I have also wondered if the silly tyres that wear out so quickly are altogether safe. I hate the two tyre interference rule bring different tyres that are safe and let the teams decide which they want/need.
It's a different limit for different tracks though...
So like 2003 for JPM - flying at Indy, before the stewards call him in for a drive-through.
From AP: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g8gpZRl3t8mV2RxsVjIuPU75dJeAD99MSJA80
To me they should let people run whatever tyre they want from the range.
One thing I read on recently was someone proposing low profile tyres so that they would bounce less if the wheel gets free.
Sounds like NASCAR screwed themselves over from a lot of publicity over 0.5 mph.
I am sure they will be happy an American guy won though.
Yeah but it's a rule, where do you draw the line?
Wouldnt they cause far more damage in an impact though?
JJ? Hmmm... he's not the most loved of the American drivers, though. I think there are more JPM fans than JJ ones... :D
NASCAR don't seem to have lines, they just chuck paint around however they feel.
That is not going to make Christine happy. NASA cannot send messages like that to spacewalkers
"Since you guys are cruising, we're running out of tasks," Mission Control called up as the spacewalk neared the four-hour mark.
:D
They ran out of things for them to do? In SPACE?
That's what you have to balance out. You also have to consider the extra suspension loads if a tyre has less spring in it.
The suspension would need a serious re-design - it is an idea worth reviewing.
Where's Amy? Decommissioned without a laptop?
:D
They could have had them polish things at least.
or played eye spy! night all. i'm going home.
I know of a bunch of transcripts that need doing, or if all else fails, shouldn't they be playing Space iSpy?
my laptop just went blue screen of death. oh oh. maybe not leaving...
Ah, steven...
Following extensive debates this weekend we decided that the only reasonable conclusion is that NASA didnt go to the moon.
The moon is made of cheese.
Americans love cheese
The would have found a way to keep brining more back
Hope we cleared that up for you...
You are running Windows?
That's the first moon landing conspiracy argument that actually makes sense! Well done sir!
yeah it's xp. I'll be okay. I think I just filled up the hard drive. it's rebooted okay but need to recover what i was working on. oh the joys.
I cant take all the credit... this took a think tank several hours in a pub... ;)
Seems logical to me apart from one thing. When they were landing on the moon they slowed the LEM down using a rocket engine. If you do that on cheese you are just going to melt it. So every time you find somewhere to land you are going to melt it. So if someone went there and committed to a landing they drowned in molten cheese.
I also have an FOM/BBC rumour, but i dont think it is reliable enough to post here..
Say it anyway, just say it's not reliable...
But it could be like Haloumi... :D
SpaceFondue
You would have to assume a rocket engine was not needed because cheese is soft and would absorb the impact.
Just post it as Giggles Made-up Media and blame me
Just realised. Wallace and Gromit landed on the moon so it must be possible
This is not reliable.
I have a friend/aquantance that does some work for the BBC, i was talking to him about how much better the coverage is this year, and how great it is that we could watch it online ..
Anyway, he said he overheard at the beeb that they not be broadcasting online next year as FOM are looking at doing something, and the bbc only have the online rights if FOM aren't doing anything themselves.
Once again, it isnt reliable.
Well done you have just explained moon craters!
I hope it is not true because it can only mean one thing. Bernie has found out that there is a market and he wants to charge.
Moto GP-esq?!
Remember to listen to my sidepodspace show on sidepodradio Sunday. Moon craters may get a mention.
If anyone wants to be on the show or has any space related questions or comments let me know on the wiki
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/sidepodspace
Thats MotoGP website-esq not the BBC moto gp
You are o-so-right here that divorce cost him dearly
Dear Bernie,
Please put F1 online in English. I will pay money, possibly even donate you an organ and my first two children in return for F1 in HD online.
Sincerely,
Gavin stuck in a foreign country.
Does this explain why he was moody with jake during the Q2-Q3 break?
#sidepodspace
A brief run down of the rest of the shuttle mision.
Tomorrow is packing day. They have a range of stuff that has to be packed in the shuttle before it leaves. Tomorrow night the hatches between the two vehicles get closed.
Wednesday Endeavour undocks and does a flyaround of the ISS. Theis can bee quite entertaining and worth watching. They also do a final inspection of the shuttle's thermal protection system.
Thursday is a systems check day and apparently they are deploying a couple of satellites that I didn't know about.
Friday - they shut the doors fire the rockets and land. Unless the weather doesn't co-operate in which case they hang around in spce foranother day.
Do you think they ever get halfway back to earth and go: "You know, I have this sinking feeling I've forgotten something..."
Isnt a sinking feeling to be expexted? ;)
Damn, I left my keys behind! Can you radio for one of the Russians to land with them later?
Not if they plan to land in the sea!
Anyone played with the miniracingonline?
first you want it online and now you want it online in HD?
It's simple really:
Online = will give organs
+HD = First two children
Not sure the misses will be very happy...
do you have the bandwidth to deal with hd online?
cause if they deliver and you don't, you're left with no organs, no children and no f1.
oh and what organs? if you give your heart you may struggle to watch it...let alone online
Toolkit?
wouldn't it just be easier to move?
I'll move to Finland - which I may have to do when the missus finds out I've given away the first two children...
Never heard of it. Probably Scott Woodwiss as he seems to have tried every racing game on the planet
:D
Aren't we taking a joke too seriously here?
dont worry, eventually it'll get in the earth orbit and then get to earth....if it dosent burn up first...
That is how the Donington thing started
:D
There does seem to be some very unfair goings on here. I have to give up my kidney for Mr C's iPhone fund, whilst Mrs Goat has to give up her children for F1 online.
And you can't make more kidneys
i've gone off getting an iphone, due to the fact ever since giggle's bought one, he's had a tendency to want to go outside.
Phew.
Don't know why, better wireless signal indoors!
Does that mean Christine's kidney is up for grabs? Because if it is there are a few things I would like to use it for. Although to be fair I am sure others have suggestions too. So if you would like to use it for make your suggestions and I suppose it is only fair that Christine picks the winner.
Remember #kidney
#kidney Christine keeps her kidney for staying alive and healthy purposes.
#kidney Sidepodcompetition?
I suppose it would save us spending money on a prize.
You still have to remove the kidney which must cost a few quid. Although Alison did say she was a medical student so I am sure she is competent and would be happy to practise on you
Lots and lots of Massa news: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77383
Yeyy, good news :)
Excellent to hear he can make a full recovery :D
It is very good he wants to know what happened to him... that shows he is self aware.
Indeed. And I think this bit is very good, also: "During the night we do not plan to do any more interventions on him."
Great to hear. yay for AUTOSPORT!
I am happy that this report is so positive and that he has awareness. I think it will be best though not to make too quick a return to F1 and I am sure Ferrari will respect this.
They are planning to keep him conscious. That is incredibly good news.
He is communicative and can move his arms and legs. More great news,
Removing the drain tube from his wound must be very positive too.
This is all far better news than I was expecting this early.
The only thing worrying me is his eye, but its relatively good to even be able to say that after what happened.
He still has skull fractures and has had treatment for a brain injury. This is still a serious situation.
Evening all, good to hear the news about Massa
I didnt say it wasnt.
I am just relived that there was some positive news.
evening janna, how's you?
Ok thanks, not a great day at work but other people have it much worse
Sorry Nick. I was just pointing out that there are more important things than his eye to worry about.
Hi Janna
true enough, although it sounds like employees at mclaren have been having a good day all round.
am just reading a good piece on autosport re:helmet safety too.
how come?
just catching up on tweets from the 5thdriver. been wearing rocket red t-shirts and martin is happy:
http://twitter.com/TheFifthDriver/status/2871206873
aweosme
it pays to complain. bit.ly's custom url hath returned:
http://bit.ly/
#sidepodspace
NASA are taking the mickey now. As well as completing their list in a ridiculously short time they also performed some get ahead tasks including tying down some cables and fitting some handrails and foot restraints.
major media fail for AUTOSPORT.
am just reading tony dodgins' column and it states - for more information:
"see MPH column in Thursday's Autosport magazine"
so. we pay a monthly subscription to autosport online, and that kindly tells us to:
1) wait four days for the rest of the story.
2) then go outside to the shops and pay for a paper copy of the magazine.
i can't think of a bigger insult to online subscribers. i may have to go and rant on their forums.
I think that's nonsense making you go & buy the magazine, rant away!
Evening all. Just read about Massa's eye damage. This was quite disheartening:
I've been buying the mag for the past couple of weeks any way. Remind me, and I'll scan the pages in
:D
Keep reading....go to the main story, that was before the press conference
They just don't get it do they?
Evening everyone :) lovely to see such positive news about Massa. how is everyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFOfQzD0vuo
Great stuff.
Isnt MPH on the website? I have never subscribed to it but i think i might have followed a link there by accident once...
I not then its a big boon for us paper readers :P
No worries, its good he is awake though. Hopefully they will keep us up to date over the next few days.
Who's she?
She reminds me of my old english teacher from school, i suddenly had a massive feeling that i hadn't done my homework!
Hi Lou
nope. i shall await a response, hope i've got it wrong though:
http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=112768
MPH is Mark Hughes's column in the magazine
i feel better for that :)
meh. paper is sooo 17th century.
Steven Roy, I have a misic suggestion. Goto YouTube and look-up "Breath" by Breaking Benjamin. Very Energetic! Steve-O
I hate powercuts. :(
Evening all :)
Look at the lyrics, very "Kimi to Lewis" stuff!
We'll look some more......
Is there an mIRC chat or anything I don't have to hit F5 every 3 seconds out there for this?
Check out the realtime doohickey
http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime
Yeah try either www.sidepodcast.com/realtime or www.sidepodcast.com/livecommenting
Whichever floats your boat
or live commenting:
http://www.sidepodcast.com/livecommenting/
Oopsy, yep the LCLT too. Wasn't trying to sway him, honest
:P
Blatant favouritism from Mr Lukeh.
When apple bring out a version you will love it... ;)
They are new to me. Good choice. If you are suggesting music ofr sideporadio shows though they have to be podsafe and I don't think this is. Some artists allow podcasts to use their music without paying the normal fee.
Apparently the best site for this is http://www.musicalley.com/music/listeners/datesort.php
Hi Alison.
It is, and it appears regularly every week (except this month), so maybe the Felipe one will be online as well.
http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime/?
it's delayed by a week though. which gives me the other option of:
3) sitting on my hands for 11 days to find out what's being said.
if they want to charge more, then fine. give us that option, but it's stupid keeping information back to coincide with print deadlines.
Hello
I've just transcribed a podpanel. I have to say that you speak nice and clearly and at a very appropriate speed Steven :D
oh great.
;)
Which one did you transcribe?
Unlike some people..... ;)
:cry:
It does keep it episodic though... Its probably best to keep it like that for just blogs and opinions and not exclusive news
Don't forget Diary of Jane. Epic song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWaB4PXCwFU&feature=related
Dont they offer that by giving you online access if you subscribe for the paper mag directly?
you've lost me? the put the column online one week late.
so just charge more to have it sooner.
Awwww. It's just that if I turn the speed down to about 3/4 I can keep up with it when I type. Your words come out a mile a minute though.....
no.
apologies. remind me during the recording and i'll try harder.
ah, i thought you meant you wanted to have it online on what ever day of the week it was done by.
But i agree 100% if its in the magazine it should be online. Although they might be doing stuff like this to keep people buying the magazine.
Awww hahaha. You're just excitable :)
No you won't. We've been telling you this for months! :)
What is the story with the Massa reporting so? Earlier they said eye damage, now that's being denied.....?
Just take his unnamed energy drink again? Or is that too risky? ;)
yes. you tell me when you're editing... after the show is recorded. when peeps mention it during the show i tries harder.
But it says here if you buy the print subscription you get full access to autosport.com and Forix.
that's correct. but full access doesn't include everything in the paper magazine, and what it does include is delayed by a week.
Ah i see ;)
But you get the magazine sent to you and it is in that... ;)
(admittedly this is a bit analogue)
still doesn't get to me today though?
Also, if it's anything like weekly magazine subscriptions we've had in the past, it will get to us about three days late.
I have to slow down for my normal million words a second or no-one outside of Scotland would ever understand me. It's something all of us learn when we head to the deep south
i need to head north.
Is ot my fault I have so many fans?
Well I suppose it is really. I am just so good :D
My parents are both Glaswegian. It's not such an issue for me.
:D
:lots
No this is a problem.
News shouldnt be embargoed for posterity's sake like this, it should be published as news and his column used for comment.
agreed.
Maybe you need a pop up remeinder every 5 minutes
I know someone who is good at reminders.
Awww don't make him all self-conscious :(
Just practicing for a couple of voicemails to send in :)
I am sure you must have had some of the same problems I did the first time I headed south then
yay!
On skype? :P
That reminds me, do you still need donation voicemails now we've reached the target for the show? I'm guessing so for the charity reasons :)
Mr Brawn suggested it was a part failure but said they looking into it last time i checked. i suppose they've got the part back by now? He said something about them having run the part all season... i assumed he meant that version, but could he have meant that exact part?
i'm sure he didn't mean to use such bad english....
One of mine will have a charity reference, so I'd say yeah, go for it :)
yes please.
I put a subtle reminder in my notes
the fia still have it i think.
:)
ah ok.i suppose Brawn cant do anymore about it for a while anyway considering their factory is shut for the next 2 weeks.
also true. does that start today? surely the cars need to get back in?
Brawn should be able to tell a lot from examining the holes the bolts were in. They should be able to tell which blot went first and what the failure mode was by marking/scoring.
Is this the stupidest rule that F1 has ever had?
It's got some serious competition!
it's high up on the list.. but i still think banning in season testing, and banning refuelling are a little higher.
(A quick hi, I'm semi-lurking)
Mine never arrived last week, and I've noticed for some time now (as in over a year) that Wednesdays are really quiet on the website, then lots appear on Thursdays to coincide with the mag which contains the same stories.
tbh I only get the mag now for the features.
Hmmm at least it's only 2 weeks out of the 4. I thought it was a whole month at first.... I'm sure they've done some pretty stupid things in the past though.....
Not even close. The FIA has had all sorts of stupid rules. It is almost their specialist subject.
The 6cm rule was a classic. They made a rule that the bottom of the car had to be 6 cm of the ground but they could only measure it in the pits. So teams invented all sorts of systems so that the car was 6cm off the ground in the pits but as soon as it was doing any speed the downforce lowered the ride height.
Everyone knew what was happening but they kept checking them in the pits anyway
It's gonna waste a loooooooooot of time that could be spent on developments though for the teams, and I'm sure Mr Brawn would be wanting to working on getting Brawn back to what is expected of them with the factory guys at the moment than anything else
Ah, i like banning of refuling, and i think the total banning of testing was silly, but locking up factories?
Next they will only give them £20 phone credit for the year!
Please go on! :D
Voicemails sent :)
I like banning refuelling and closing the factories for 2 weeks. There should be no limits on testing though.
fanx you.
If the teams want to test I woiuld rather they did it at extra races though...
You're welcome, as always :)
We've been doing it for 2 weeks or so?
giggles really should have bought the domain name by now.
me? yes. did you not watch the live show?
Yes I did...
hmm. i wanted to finish early to go read them. we were reading them out on the show.
BTW Gavin, managed to unearth any good sim racing news yet? :P
Got the Forza 3 Special Edition news?
Where's that?
I got an advert on autosport for this earlier saying it was starting soon...
Er... yes ;) Seen this? http://www.real-timeracing.com/
question for steven. christine has kindly set up this page:
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Interviews+with+Bloggers
do we have a plan for when to record?
I have indeed. That should be one of the games we talk about in the preview section.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=217258
On there it talked about the american release but I read yesterday on another confirmed source the same pack was coming to the UK. Will try and find that for you...
Well seeing as I am calling you on Wednesday night for Scott, why not make it a double date?
are you guys recording between yourselves, or should we schedule a time to record the convo?
you are? ace.
In all honesty you will probably have more news than me anyway so you may as well announce the stories and ask me some questions.
Are we just talking about news or other stuff too?
I was going to suggest to do mine on Wednesday too. :P
Didn't we agree to call you on Wed night on skype and you would record it for us?
I can't find the story but this pretty much confirms it'll be here too
good stuff, have updates the wiki. what sort of time?
probably :)
suits us fine. have wiki'd it.
That magazine is still going?
Can we do it in an hour's time? I am pretty much finished with the questions
really? wow, yup can do.
I've decided to do a news section first with the latest sim racing news this week, then a preview section featuring some big upcoming racing titles, then I might do a review of my new wheel or something, still need to decide that. And also maybe a discussion on how to start sim racing. How does that sound?
What, live?
*gulp*
steven's recording the questions, and then people can answer them when they have the time.
Bruno says "Get Well Soon, Felipe"
Made me smile, this one ;)
Well he can ask me them live if he wants to...
great stuff. here's your show page. could you copy the info there too pls:
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sim+Racers+Weekly
cheers buddy.
even better!
blimey, tis all kicking off :)
No problem. Will update with what exactly will be coming up in the show in just a bit. It's only a rough outline, still need to decide what the content will be.
Sounds good. I think I would be of most value talking about how I got into Sim Racing and my history, just because I have been playing sim racing for a long time over a lot of platforms and can tell you what it was like etc...
The plan as I understand it is I record the questions then they are played to each blogger so that everyone gets the same questions.
What he said
that's the one. we'll need an intro from you explaining the basic outline of the show if that's possible too?
We're both quite experienced. It will be interesting since you're the PC racing expert and I'm the one on consoles. :P
Well that's up to you of course, it's your show. But would it not sound better if you asked them live? Otherwise, how else am I going to ask you why you don't have a blog?
:D :D
:D
I might have started a tiny bit earlier than you though?
No problem
I ask ze Qvestions
Earliest memory I have is about 7 or 8 years old on the PS1 on Gran Turismo and V-Rally. This was about 1997-1998 time.
At Christmas, by the way.
You're not keen on doing it live? What if you find out a question is duff or you want to change it? You could think of me as a dummy run...?
Kooler, eight veeks.
OK yep... got 10 years on you then. Ferrari Formula One, 1987 ;)
Actually it was Christine's idea. i like live as you know but it is unfair if some people get live and others don't. I will have a question where you can tell me why I should have a blog. Can't say fairer than that.
We could actually use these as fillers between shows rather than as one complete show.
Actually I can go earlier. Lotus Turbo Challenge on the Mega Drive/Genesis!
About 1994-1995.
I have a bad feeling that you would have beaten me, seeing what happened this week!
The questions are good. The answers may not be up to much.
I say treat it like a podpanel. Don't stick rigidly to answering the question. Look on it as a way to get eyeballs for your blog and take the politician's approach.
I don't think it's unfair but dude, it's your call. I'm just letting you know I am keen...
is there anyone i've missed off of here, who could be a potential interviewee:
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Interviews+with+Bloggers
Alianora
ahh yes!
Christine,
Can I use the Mansell Vs. Senna F1 Big Picture for my blog header?
legally, no. sorry. the pic is for editorial use.
we can't stop you however.
That's OK - that's why I am asking :)
In general, what's the story with using pictures?
long winded. gotta prep for recording steven. ask me again in an hour if no-one else has answered.
Have made a wiki page about my show to give a bit of extra info, if thats alright
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Lukeh's+Lunch+Time+Comedy+Show
It... actually doesn't give any real information but still!
It also doesn't link being linked to so try this!
is yours live or pre-rec'd lukeh? and can we collar you for an interview about blogging pls?
I think my page says that it's live. I kinda mention it 6 or 7 times. :P
Urm... do you want an interview? I mean, my blog doesn't get much coverage or anything
bear with me. i'm loosing the plot here :)
yes please. and this in part is to encourage more readers :)
Ok then, sounds good to me. :)
So I cab't change your mind Steven?
we can call you after the questions have been recorded?
when's a good time for you?
Jeez it's raining like the days of Noah outside!
Let me know and we'll see...
next 2 days I'm working but will be home from half 5-ish... so... anytime after then I suppose?
groovy, ta. now to convince lou...
If you are keen to do it live I could try the questions on you. What I am keen to avoid is that you and I get conversational. I would like this to be straight question and answer.
If you are doing nothing then there is no reason why you can't answer as I am asking.
We're gonna need some help here. Steven!
I am sure Lou will do it
I warned you, i have a boat...
:P
Do you have a white beard and is it big enough to fit all the marmots and baby pandas christine wants?
Mebe...
you have a white beard?
hiiii lou.
erm... hi?
Hehehe :D
Hi Lou.
Ready for your interview
what?... no...
I am interviewing bloggers for sidepodradio and your blog one one of the slots in Christine's prize draw.
It's 10 simple questions.
but my blog is new and very boring atm..
2 things.... skype doesn't work on my laptop anymore, and does it have to be tonight?...
Blog link please...?
nope and we can send you the questions and you can answer whenever you like if you prefer.
http://photofinishblog.wordpress.com/
i has 2 blog posts to put up in the next few days though.
brb in 5...
The point of the interviews is to let people plug their blogs and get more readers.
No. I am recording the questions tonight but you can sort out a time with Christine and Mr C to listen to and answer them. They are really simple questions just to let you talk about your blog without thinking what to say. They are really just reminders to help your conversation along.
My view is this show is about the bloggers and the less I say the better.
that would be much nicer... i would probably prefer that if i have to do it...tbh..
Just added Dank to the wiki.
nice one. cheers.
i may have to crack open the email.
Evening everybody. Hope all is well this evening :)
hahahehe
never better. have scheduled you a half hour slot to discuss your various blogs, m'kay?
Hi Alex
he has a 'this is your life'?
seriously?!
Hey Alex. Preperations for Sidepodradio are rife at the moment and it's awesome :D
news to me. brilliant though.
We need EJ to have a watch so heavy that he can't lift his mic.
that is an awesome page :D
I'm just stunned someone thought that the this si your life was a good idea. Half an hour of praising Eddie and feeding his ego.
Is it one of those TW Steel monstrosities?
I have no idea. I have never noticed it. I just like the idea that he has something round his wrist that stops him lifting his mic
steven, ready when you are. no rush, just so you know.
another half an hour? Sure no problem :)
I am ready
Better get some rest for tomorrow me thinks, plus feel like watching some Black Books again so off to bed for me. See you guys tomorrow evening, I'll probably get round to recording my answers for Steven's show tomorrow evening too :)
night!
what do I need to do?
talking to steven / gavin on skype. bear with us, we can't multitask :)
answers are further back in the comments though.
okie doke. Will look back :)
On iPhone and got confused thinking I was supposed to be doing something right about now. Phew! :)
BBC teletext reporting that Masa's condition is severe but no longer critical
I'm gonna delete that Scott, hope you understand.
Yup, sorry for any offense. Just thought I'd show how unthoughtful some people can be sometimes.
Good idea
Sorry i had to rush off earlier, i'm still no longer here...
Answers to questions..
It's going to rain, y'all better get on the boat, oh and yes i do have a very long white beard....santa like....
:)
For those being interviewed about your blog, don't worry, the questions are really nice and you'll get to see a list of them before you hear steven ask them.
I think it's going to be a very good show and I can't wait to hear it :)
How many plastic bottles do you nee for an arc?
Noted, but it came across as you telling a bad joke...
This looks like it could be quite interesting...
Yeah, sorry if it was read that way. :(
Doesn’t the black flag only come out on the start-finish line, though? I’m basing this on my foggy memory of Schumi at GBR 1994 and Frentzen at AUS 2002. {Comment #135}
Yes, the black flags (both plain and with orange circle) are only shown at the start/finish line - but the team gets immediate notification through the messaging system. It wouldn't have changed anything on track, but it would make it easier for the FIA to impose its will. Appealing a black flag is much harder than appealing a suspension because the penalty has already been levied.
Haven't really been paying attention for the past few mins. Are you using skype Mr/Mrs C? I'm planning to leave a recording for a transition, but I don't want to interupt anything
They are on skype now. I have recorded some questions for bloggers so it may be that one of them is answering them just now. I think Giggles was due about now
yup chris. just search for sidepodcast in skype and when you call us, it should automatically go to voicemail. yell if you have issues and thank you.
Scott's on skype as well so I guess he is answering questions. It shouldn't take more than about 10 minutes even with re-takes
Already got you on Skype, just wasn't sure if it was a physical voicemail system, or some daft one that only works if you're not on the phone
just editing the questions. scott, are you awake for another quarter of an hour?
just call and you should hear christine's voice.
Done. Wrote the script out before recording, but forgot to double check a fact before recording. Thankfully, I just checked and I was right! *phew!*
:)
Although, seeing as I encourage people to donate in my transition, I'd better do that myself now. Don't want to appear hypocritical...
yay! thanks you.
Urm, hi. I'm not here but I was just drifting off to sleep and I got a text that turned out to be a direct message on twitter, I have NO idea how that found it's way to my phone as a text message, from chris humphreys asking to be un modded or something on here. Turned laptop on to get angry at twitter and find out how the heck it managed to do and I suppose I'd pass on message... although I kinda get the idea you guys already have had plenty yourselves saying the same thing...
Anyways... twitter woke me up via phone. grr. Night.
steven, i love question 10 :)
Just to say, having minimal sight in one eye isn’t necessarily a stopper of racing, a guy raced in Le Mans with only sight in one eye.
Theres always hope! {Comment #228}
There is. The questions are whether any reduction in sight will a) be enough to classify as "partially sighted" (in which case Massa could be out of motor racing altogether for five years before being allowed back in*) and b) be enough to blunt his talent even if he misses out on that definition (in which case it would be a few races into his return to F1 before we knew).
Hopefully these worries will prove unfounded and I will keep my fingers crossed accordingly.
* - Note that in the hypothetical case that Felipe was still F1-standard after those five years, he'd be allowed in even if he had no sight at all in one eye.
I said I was answering questions tonight?
whenever it suits you sir. wednesday if you prefer.
Either way, I have to be up at half 5 tomorrow for work so I'm afraid tonight's a no-go. Wednesday's perfectly fine, though. :)
no worries, ta.
You were there when I asked it the first time. Were you not listening?
was listening and reading, but i love the way it's phrased.
I know exactly the kind of answers I am going to get from it. It was deliberate
cheers lukeh.
we have banned chris humphreys for life, due to the fact he was to be making up fake commenters here, and then proceeding to have conversations with them (himself).
that's simply not on. apologies that he's hassling you. can i recommend reporting him to twitter and also blocking him, as we have done?
sorry again.
I assume anyone who is planning to use music on a live show has to send the details to Christine before the event.
if possible yup. if it's a live show, and anything changes, telling us afterwards is fine also.
Can I just get a rain check on getting that other half hour slot that's vacant below my show? I'm planning on having some music in my show and the discussion on starting as a sim racer could go on a bit provided me and Gavin decide to get too carried away. If not, I'll figure out how to squeeze everything into 30 minutes :)
I was thinking about the practicalities of playing it. If I play it from my PC is Skype going to pick it up with good enough quality to broadcast? Totally untechnically it would seem to make more sense for you to play any music to get the best quality
understood. that we can do. on the parade lap, giggles gives christine the last line that he intends to say, in order to cue up the next song.
would that work?
It also happened to the dutch guy at Spyker a few years ago in France (might have been 2007) – he went on the track with the hose and Spyker were not banned. {Comment #373}
There were two good reasons for that:
1) Albers never made it beyond the pit exit run-off area (OK, that was as far as it could have moved with a great big bendy thing hanging off the side...);
2) The team considered Albers to be the sole reason the incident happened because it hadn't released him. As far as I'm aware, it's the only time in the history of F1 that a team has sent the bill for a penalty to the door of a driver...
no worries. consider it yours. have updated the page and moved the top 5 until later in the day.
Cool. I might even go for 45 minutes and leave 15 minutes for something random to fill.
1 hour would be easier for us. but no worries if not.
Damn that sounds professional. I need to think about that because there is no way I will script anything that tightly. When I do presentations etc I never do word for word just general areas and waffle round them. I will find a way though
have you heard the parade lap :D
Once or twice
OK, I'll see what I can do :P
This is not reliable.
I have a friend/aquantance that does some work for the BBC, i was talking to him about how much better the coverage is this year, and how great it is that we could watch it online ..
Anyway, he said he overheard at the beeb that they not be broadcasting online next year as FOM are looking at doing something, and the bbc only have the online rights if FOM aren’t doing anything themselves. {Comment #426}
I hope that, if true, the same platform as the video clips are on isn't used. I've never managed to get those to load on my computer, so that would be the end of me seeing free practise...
Like i said... It is not reliable, although i wouldn't mind something from FOM, i would hope it would be more like the Iphone ap and not just a video feed online. Although that would be useful in some countries.
Right tonight has been a bit rubbish on my front, i have been kept away from the comments because of all sorts of issues.
On a completely separate note i discovered this weekend that Deaf people can drive every bit as well as those with hearing so i thought i should apologise for my comments last week, I was ignorant more than anything, but still not really an excuse.
Anyway, Night all! :)
night nick.
is there anyone i’ve missed off of here, who could be a potential interviewee:
Alianora {Comment #649}
I'd be quite happy to be an interviewee - I've left times I'm available to be phoned this week in the wiki. Do you need me to send you my mobile number or do you already have it?
cheers alia. if you could email christine, that would be fab. thanks.
cheers alia. if you could email christine, that would be fab. thanks. {Comment #762}
E-mail sent :)
I've seen The Godfather & The Godfather Part 2 so many times I've lost count. One day a friend lends me his set of the epic and I ended up watching it at least 3 times back to back over the week that I had it, FFC did a fantastic job of editing the movie in chronological order. If anybody ever has the chance to watch it that way don't pass it up.
He did add quite a bit of previously unseen material as well.
I really want a version of this to become available on DVD or Bluray.
I was hoping that when the Coppola Restoration came out they would have put that version out as well.