Qualifying day is always the best one of the weekend here at Sidepodcast Towers in terms of F1 action, and then Sunday is better for podcasting fun. However, I get ahead of myself. Having seen some Free Practice laps today, are we in a better position to know what to expect?

  • Jaime Alguersuari did okay for his first official day behind the wheel. A small stall during a practice start, and a painfully slow installation lap were his only real misdemeanours throughout the day. He ended both sessions last, but did we expect anything less?
  • Hamilton and Kovalainen were both right up there in terms of pace, with the McLarens both enjoying the same updates finally. The same can be said for Piquet, well, only the bit about the updates. Actually, we must be nice to Piquet as it's his birthday today.
  • Meanwhile Massa became very spin-happy, as he channelled all things Silverstone around the Hungaroring. It wasn't wet, so this was slightly odd to behold, but I guess not exactly surprising. Rob, have a word, would ya?

That'll do it for now. We'll be live commenting our way through today as well, so I hope you will join us for all the sessions you can. I'll see you in the comments.

1127 responses

  • Journeyer24/07/2009 at 23:13

    Good morning, Europe! :D

  • me24/07/2009 at 23:35

    Good morning, Europe! :D

    hey sir. sorry, was using live commenting, didn't see you there.

    how's tricks?

  • Journeyer24/07/2009 at 23:41

    hey sir. sorry, was using live commenting, didn't see you there.

    :D Tis alright, have been catching up on comments anyway. :) Any LCLT updates?

    how's tricks?

    Same old, same old. Glad it's the weekend - this week at work just exhausted me.

  • me24/07/2009 at 23:49

    :D Tis alright, have been catching up on comments anyway. :) Any LCLT updates?

    funnily enough...

  • Journeyer24/07/2009 at 23:50

    funnily enough...

    there are? will look at LCLT once the others are in bed.

  • me24/07/2009 at 23:52

    there are? will look at LCLT once the others are in bed.

    coming, very soon. gimmie two...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)24/07/2009 at 23:54

    The Post that took 4 weeks to write is finally here!

    Alex wanted to know who was the better of the two Red Bull drivers.

    Well, I looked at qualifying pace, points scored, finishing positions and of course, the championship and it's a very tight one, this!

    Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far...

  • me24/07/2009 at 23:55

    coming, very soon. gimmie two...

    okay. if you hard refresh lclt. it now has a filter box.

    will update the wiki with more info.

  • Jon Waldock24/07/2009 at 23:55

    okay. if you hard refresh lclt. it now has a filter box.

    hard refresh? is that different to soft refreshing? or refresher sweets?

  • Bassano Clapper24/07/2009 at 23:56

    hard refresh? is that different to soft refreshing? or refresher sweets?

    :D

  • me24/07/2009 at 23:56

    hard refresh? is that different to soft refreshing? or refresher sweets?

    very much so.

  • Bassano Clapper24/07/2009 at 23:57

    okay. if you hard refresh lclt. it now has a filter box.

    Was thinking about that earlier, spooky

  • Bassano Clapper24/07/2009 at 23:57

    hard refresh? is that different to soft refreshing? or refresher sweets?

    very much so.

    Something to do with the cookie monster I think

  • me24/07/2009 at 23:58

    Was thinking about that earlier, spooky

    been a long time coming, this one. performance on threads is still a killer when there's 2,000+ comments to search. but have done the best i can for the time being.

  • lou24/07/2009 at 23:59

    been a long time coming, this one. performance on threads is still a killer when there's 2,000+ comments to search. but have done the best i can for the time being.

    awesome! i ♥ the filter box in the LCLT. makes it much easier to search a whole thread :)

  • Bassano Clapper24/07/2009 at 23:59

    FP3 is looking a bit uncertain for me at 10:00am at the moment

  • Pat W25/07/2009 at 00:03

    FP3 is looking a bit uncertain for me at 10:00am at the moment

    No chance for FP3 or Qually for me. Dad wants to golf 'cos he has a thing on in the late afternoon, and don't want to miss Sunday racing. Plus we've already paid for membership and missed lots of weeks, need to make it pay... DVR is set.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 00:04

    ... DVR is set.

    I need to look at the DVD Recorder & Freeview

    Maybe time to go PVR

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:08

    changelog for lclt updates:

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Website+Changelog

    pls yell if you spot anything odd. a race weekend isn't the best time for a release, but i'd like to try the updates in a race situation and there isn't another for a while.

  • Pat W25/07/2009 at 00:12

    Maybe time to go PVR

    It changed the way I watch telly. More convenient than removable media, unless you want to keep it...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 00:13

    It changed the way I watch telly. More convenient than removable media, unless you want to keep it...

    Saying that, I don't watch a lot of telly now

    What I miss can be found on the iplayers or downloaded

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:13

    What I miss can be found on the iplayers or downloaded

    welcome to the dark side.

    *hides from pat*

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:14

    changelog for lclt updates:

    am now waiting for lclt to fall asleep so i can see the pic....

  • Pat W25/07/2009 at 00:14

    It changed the way I watch telly. More convenient than removable media, unless you want to keep it...

    Saying that, I don't watch a lot of telly now

    What I miss can be found on the iplayers or downloaded

    I use a combination of the two, usually when I forget to record it to PVR and I have to go online for it, like with Mock The Week this week :-)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 00:14

    welcome to the dark side.

    Have been there about six months i think

    If I miss Top Gear, it's out there, readily viewable. No biggie

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:14

    am now waiting for lclt to fall asleep so i can see the pic....

    ahh. i put the timer up. one second.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 00:15

    am now waiting for lclt to fall asleep so i can see the pic....

    Ahh bless

    [in advance]

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:15

    ahh. i put the timer up. one second.

    i'm going to be waiting here for ages aren't i? :P

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:15

    am now waiting for lclt to fall asleep so i can see the pic....

    if you refresh, he'll pass out in about five minutes.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:16

    if you refresh, he'll pass out in about five minutes.

    :D awesome thank you.

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:18

    :D awesome thank you.

    i haven't actually tested this bit...

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:19

    i haven't actually tested this bit...

    so... i could be waiting till quali?

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:19

    so... i could be waiting till quali?

    or more.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:21

    or more.

    right... :D well someone's got to test it :P

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:21

    right... :D well someone's got to test it :P

    hehe.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:22

    AWWWWWW i prefer that photo!! although they are both adorable..

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:22

    AWWWWWW i prefer that photo!! although they are both adorable..

    he fell asleep btw..

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:22

    AWWWWWW i prefer that photo!! although they are both adorable..

    he fell asleep btw..

    phew!!

    although mine hasn't.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:23

    although mine hasn't.

    oh? did you refresh?

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:24

    oh? did you refresh?

    tis okay, it just did. might've got click happy.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:24

    tis okay, it just did. might've got click happy.

    :D

  • lou25/07/2009 at 00:28

    okay i'm off to get 8 hours sleep before FP3 :) night all! x

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:28

    okay i'm off to get 8 hours sleep before FP3 :) night all! x

    night lou. am gonna do the same very shortly.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 00:29

    Night Lou

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 00:29

    Night Lou. Night Mr C. :)

    Now, to wait for that pic to come out...

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:29

    Now, to wait for that pic to come out...

    love it!!

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 00:30

    Night Lou

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 00:34

    Night all, i shan't see you for FP3, because i value my sleep :P

    Night

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:34

    night jon

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 00:35

    G'night Jon

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:44

    Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far...

    something i wouldn't mind is a legend for the y-axis. in the first graph, it was immediately clear that the numbers were tenths of a seconds. aside from that, good stuff.

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:47

    strong words from fernando, echo what christine was saying yesterday:

    "This is the worst Formula One we had in many years, maybe the worst in history, because of the politics and all of the fights."

    "These six months, they have been very bad for Formula One."

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 00:48

    Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far...

    something i wouldn't mind is a legend for the y-axis. in the first graph, it was immediately clear that the numbers were tenths of a seconds. aside from that, good stuff.

    Got it - also will use titles on future graphs ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 00:49

    Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far...

    something i wouldn't mind is a legend for the y-axis. in the first graph, it was immediately clear that the numbers were tenths of a seconds. aside from that, good stuff.

    Got it - also will use titles on future graphs ;)

    Is it unclear on all graphs or just the first?

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:51

    Is it unclear on all graphs or just the first?

    if you can fit them in all, that would be good. but first and last probably need them the most.

    also, one other thought. this is a great line, in our comments:

    "Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far..."

    but shouldn't it also be in the post too?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 00:53

    Is it unclear on all graphs or just the first?

    if you can fit them in all, that would be good. but first and last probably need them the most.

    I may as well update all the graphs as it won't take too long...

    also, one other thought. this is a great line, in our comments:

    "Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far..."

    but shouldn't it also be in the post too?

    Maybe... I have been wondering how to get more people to comment. Also, how do I add the F1 minute player?

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:56

    Maybe... I have been wondering how to get more people to comment.

    you should have a word with ollie about that. he's great at finding the balance between giving an opinion yet leaving room for thoughts too.

    Also, how do I add the F1 minute player?

    i shall ask christine in the morning, she's the wordpress expert. we can create a custom one for you too if you like?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 00:58

    Also, how do I add the F1 minute player?

    i shall ask christine in the morning, she's the wordpress expert. we can create a custom one for you too if you like?

    I would love that - remember I am using the free blog service so the one available for download on your site won't work for some reason...

  • me25/07/2009 at 00:59

    I would love that - remember I am using the free blog service so the one available for download on your site won't work for some reason...

    it may not be possible, but if anyone knows...

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 01:00

    For anyone that has some time, check out this really interesting video from Steve Machett of SpeedTV discussing everything that the teams have to calculate to get the proper weight at the end of the race.

    I put it on my site for those that are interested. LINK: http://www.racingeagles.com/2009/07/hungarian-grand-prix-speed-tvs-chalk-talk.html

    With that in mind, I think one thing that will improve post race celebrations is to change the regulations so that the cars are weighed without tires during their post race inspection. They only thing with the tires they could check is to make sure that the teams have not modifed the tires in any way from the time they get them from Bridgestone.

    I want more doughnuts...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:01

    For anyone that has some time, check out this really interesting video from Steve Machett of SpeedTV discussing everything that the teams have to calculate to get the proper weight at the end of the race.

    I love the chalk talk sessions

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:04

    another quote from the fernando interview. on movable wings:

    "I never touch it! So far, nine races, I never use it. It's not useful at all."

    that was pat symmonds idea, that. and even renault don't use it.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:04

    another quote from the fernando interview. on movable wings:

    "I never touch it! So far, nine races, I never use it. It's not useful at all."

    that was pat symmonds idea, that. and even renault don't use it.

    6 degrees is not a lot of difference though is it?

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:04

    I want more doughnuts...

    seconded.

    i really gotta sleep, but that video is calling me!

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:05

    6 degrees is not a lot of difference though is it?

    pat said last season it would be. it was on the renault podcast so i can't quote word-for-word, but he said it was enough.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:06

    pat said last season it would be. it was on the renault podcast so i can't quote word-for-word, but he said it was enough.

    Obviously isn't though is it, like the KERS limit

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:07

    Obviously isn't though is it, like the KERS limit

    regs fail. in every way, from fugly wings to a lack of overtaking.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:10

    Obviously isn't though is it, like the KERS limit

    regs fail. in every way, from fugly wings to a lack of overtaking.

    But the movable flaps are way too small!

    If it was the whole wing, then yeah, 6 deg would do it...

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:10

    But the movable flaps are way too small!

    i know. but, the data they had said it should've been enough.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:11

    i know. but, the data they had said it should've been enough.

    'They' also said Bourdais was good

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:11

    But the movable flaps are way too small!

    i know. but, the data they had said it should've been enough.

    Because we all know Renault have reliable Wind Tunnels, right? ;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:12

    Because we all know Renault have reliable Wind Tunnels, right? ;)

    it was mclaren's, wasn't it?

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:12

    'They' also said Bourdais was good

    he was. str are not.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:13

    Because we all know Renault have reliable Wind Tunnels, right? ;)

    it was mclaren's, wasn't it?

    Them of the "We're not sure of the numbers so we'll use Flo-Vis" McLaren?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:13

    he was. str are not.

    He was in the U.S.

    Haven't seen it in F1

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:13

    he was. str are not.

    De Seb did ok once he settled down

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:13

    He was in the U.S.

    Haven't seen it in F1

    we saw it in le mans though.

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:13

    Them of the "We're not sure of the numbers so we'll use Flo-Vis" McLaren?

    that's the ones.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:14

    Them of the "We're not sure of the numbers so we'll use Flo-Vis" McLaren?

    I think they were sure, the numbers were saying 'Epic Fail'

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:14

    De Seb did ok once he settled down

    i believe red bull offered "assistance" to str in order not to lose him back to bmw. i also think they turned off le seb's engine on the monza grid. but i'm cynical like that.

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:15

    I think they were sure, the numbers were saying 'Epic Fail'

    hehehe.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:16

    I think they were sure, the numbers were saying 'Epic Fail'

    hehehe.

    And the numbers were right too

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:17

    I put it on my site for those that are interested. LINK: http://www.racingeagles.com/2009/07/hungarian-grand-prix-speed-tvs-chalk-talk.html

    dan this video is brilliant!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:18

    Them of the "We're not sure of the numbers so we'll use Flo-Vis" McLaren?

    I think they were sure, the numbers were saying 'Epic Fail'

    IN BRIGHT GREEN LETTERS!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:18

    Blog post updated - but there's no question marks, Mr. C!

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:21

    Blog post updated - but there's no question marks, Mr. C!

    done. and ya moderated me ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:21

    Blog post updated - but there's no question marks, Mr. C!

    done. and ya moderated me ;)

    How did I do that? Are you trying to launder me money again?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:22

    done. and ya moderated me ;)

    You're off the naughty step ... well, on my front porch at least ;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:23

    How did I do that? Are you trying to launder me money again?

    always.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:24

    How did I do that? Are you trying to launder me money again?

    always.

    Have some question marks in return: ??????????????????

  • me25/07/2009 at 01:24

    Have some question marks in return: ??????????????????

    thanks. now i must sleep.

    hope lclt holds up in the morning. catch ya later.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:25

    G'night Mr C

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 01:25

    Have some question marks in return: ??????????????????

    thanks. now i must sleep.

    hope lclt holds up in the morning. catch ya later.

    I should sleep too or Mrs. Goat will get mad :(

    Night all and hopefully see you in qually!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:27

    I should sleep too or Mrs. Goat will get mad :(

    LOL at "Mrs Goat"

    Night Gavin

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 01:50

    We are here

  • Dirty Scarab25/07/2009 at 02:26

    Evenin' Sidepodcast!

    It's been bloody ages since I posted anything, due to the fact that I've been busier than a one-legged riverdancer.

    Just popped in to say congrats on getting your question aired on FP2.

    Also: Alguersuari (yes, I did copy n' paste his name from your post - not used to typing it yet!) did a very good job in my book. Hope that shuts up all these gits who say "It's too soon!" or "He's only a boy!".

    Also just read on SPEED dot com that Piquet is definitely out for Valencia, with Grosjean sinking his arse into a seat fitting as we speak... (not that I believe everything SPEED reports)...

    See you in another few months...

    Ben

  • Joe in Fla25/07/2009 at 02:41

    anyone still awake?

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 03:27

    Hello Dirty Scarab! It's been a while, no?

    Also: Alguersuari (yes, I did copy n' paste his name from your post - not used to typing it yet!) did a very good job in my book. Hope that shuts up all these gits who say "It's too soon!" or "He's only a boy!".

    It's one thing in FP1, quite another in the race. We shall see on Sunday if the drivers were right or not. As they say, "If you're quick enough, you're old enough." Thing is, he hasn't been very quick, has he?

    Also just read on SPEED dot com that Piquet is definitely out for Valencia, with Grosjean sinking his arse into a seat fitting as we speak... (not that I believe everything SPEED reports)...

    Let's see if it happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 03:31

    Sounds like a GMM story if I've ever heard one.

    Indeed. But again, this has been rumored for ages now, so if it's true, it wouldn't be much of a surprise.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 03:35

    Indeed. But again, this has been rumored for ages now, so if it's true, it wouldn't be much of a surprise.

    They are also tipping Jacques Villeneuve for USF1... (*gulp*)

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 03:35

    It is indeed GMM.

    Other journalists have been reporting it too, however. But none of our official sources. We shall see.

    Meanwhile...

    JA's new entry

    Interesting part:

    On the driver market rumour front, Robert Kubica’s name has been linked with Renault, while Fernando Alonso has been sounding out Brawn. Remember that he had extensive talks with Brawn and with Nick Fry about moving to the team this time last season when it was Honda. They made a real play for him and how he must be regretting his decision to stay at Renault.. but he would be looking for a one year deal and the money might be a bit of a problem.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 03:36

    They are also tipping Jacques Villeneuve for USF1... (*gulp*)

    That came a bit out of the blue, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. It would make sense for USF1 from a marketing standpoint. And I guess they need someone experienced...

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 03:38

    Interesting, too, how JA is stepping back from those Alonso to Ferrari rumors:

    I think it’s 2011, unless they can get him in there for 2010. The option for 2010 was on Raikkonen’s side and he triggered it. They would have to buy him out and that would be €20 million+. To pay that and pay Alonso a similar amount is hard to imagine. That seems to be where the situation is at present.

    But if there's one team willing to pay out that much cash, it would be Ferrari.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 03:39

    On the driver market rumour front, Robert Kubica’s name has been linked with Renault, while Fernando Alonso has been sounding out Brawn. Remember that he had extensive talks with Brawn and with Nick Fry about moving to the team this time last season when it was Honda. They made a real play for him and how he must be regretting his decision to stay at Renault.. but he would be looking for a one year deal and the money might be a bit of a problem.

    I don't know where Brawn will find the money for Alonso. i don't know why Kubica would go from one struggling manufacturer to another.

    That came a bit out of the blue, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. It would make sense for USF1 from a marketing standpoint. And I guess they need someone experienced...

    This sounds awful but anyone but Danica Patrick is OK with me. Which is sad because I really want to see a women driver in F1.

    The questions I have with Jacques is how much has in the tank and would he really come back for a noob?

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 03:44

    I don't know where Brawn will find the money for Alonso. i don't know why Kubica would go from one struggling manufacturer to another.

    If Alonso wants to drive for Brawn, he'll have to agree to a paycut. And given how Brawn's 2010 funding is being questioned, is that the best thing to do for Alonso?

    As for Kubica, you make a very good point there. But the only other potential open seat is at McLaren - where he'd have to deal with Team Lewis. Would he rather be undisputed #1 in a slow-ish car, or would he rather go to a frontrunner team - and risk getting smashed by Lewis?

    This sounds awful but anyone but Danica Patrick is OK with me. Which is sad because I really want to see a women driver in F1.

    Why the hate for Danica? She's not that bad, is she?

    The questions I have with Jacques is how much has in the tank and would he really come back for a noob?

    Not much left in the tank, but desperate enough to drive for any F1 team right now.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 04:02

    Why the hate for Danica? She's not that bad, is she?

    I should of qualified that answer.

    It not that I hate her. She has actually really improved her racing this year and has been caring the Andretti Green team. She done a bit of growing up this year.

    I think it is a bad move for USF1 to hire her and for her to join USF1. I think it would create a really bad situation. She has a lot of baggage with her. She brings in a lot of sponsors true but it makes the team "DanciaF1" instead of "USF1." If you take away that sponsorship and media appeal there isn't much there. You will not win a race with her. I've watch her for six years in the IRL and just have never seen anything to make me think that she is F1 material.

    For Dancia, she already spent time in England racing and didn't like it. She wants to stay stateside and earn the big bucks. She just sign a big deal with IMG which means her next move will be a big one. She wants to race in the IRL and dabble in NASCAR. She wants to be on a team that has a chance to win week in and out in both NASCAR and the IRL. Two organizations can do that are Penske and Ganassi. Penske won't do it because he already have too many drivers. Ganassi makes a lot of sense.

    Back to F1, it is kind of a catch 22 with her. If she wants in, she is going to have to go back of the grid team. However, because of her name recognition, the way she is marketed, and the management around her she wants to be on a top of the grid team in anything she is in.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 04:05

    That came out a lot longer than I thought it would. Sorry for hogging all the space.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 04:19

    That came out a lot longer than I thought it would. Sorry for hogging all the space.

    Don't worry about it - it makes a lot of sense.

    I guess it's true, but if Danica's success now will be the reason for her not going to F1, that would be a bit sad.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 04:31

    Don't worry about it - it makes a lot of sense.

    I guess it's true, but if Danica's success now will be the reason for her not going to F1, that would be a bit sad.

    Thanks,

    I've actually really enjoyed her racing this year. I think she actually might be having be best season of all the Americans on the IRL grid.

    Racing fans, especially old CART fans like myself get irrational with her sometimes because she was the face of the IRL and really help them lose less money than the CART championship. We get inundated with her commercials. I watch the Milwaukee Race with her a few weeks ago and counted 11 ads in a row that featured her. Plus in the past she has been known to be a extremely whiny and confrontational with other driver, but she has grown out of that a bit. Frankly she is the only thing that the IRL has going for it at the moment.

    The amazing thing is that the IRL is starting to resemble the post split CART where the majority of the winners and grid was born outside the US and they pick the worse places to go racing. Not have Laguna Seca, Road America, Vancouver, and one of Portland, Lime Rock, or Road Atlanta on the calendar is absolutely insane. I hope with the new regime in the IRL thing can start getting better. People have lost interest and cannot relate to anyone on the grid outside of Danica. If I was NASCAR, I would give Hendrick's or another one of the big teams a $100 million under the table to throw at her to see if she would bit. It would KILL the IRL financially.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 05:06

    The amazing thing is that the IRL is starting to resemble the post split CART where the majority of the winners and grid was born outside the US and they pick the worse places to go racing. Not have Laguna Seca, Road America, Vancouver, and one of Portland, Lime Rock, or Road Atlanta on the calendar is absolutely insane. I hope with the new regime in the IRL thing can start getting better. People have lost interest and cannot relate to anyone on the grid outside of Danica. If I was NASCAR, I would give Hendrick's or another one of the big teams a $100 million under the table to throw at her to see if she would bit. It would KILL the IRL financially.

    I think NASCAR is better off keeping IndyCar alive, crazy as it may sound. Why? A lack of competition would put all the pressure on NASCAR. Given that NASCAR is running into some problems of their own (the COT, declining ticket sales, Mayfield-gate), I think they're better off leaving IndyCar alone.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 05:48

    I think NASCAR is better off keeping IndyCar alive, crazy as it may sound. Why? A lack of competition would put all the pressure on NASCAR. Given that NASCAR is running into some problems of their own (the COT, declining ticket sales, Mayfield-gate), I think they're better off leaving IndyCar alone.

    I would agree but the state of the IRL is so poor, that all the pressure is on NASCAR anyways. It is absolutely amazing how all dominating NASCAR has become. It is telling that ESPN and FoxSports only cover NASCAR and only give trivial coverage to the IRL. None of the major networks carry the IRL or any other race series but NASCAR. The only thing that is keeping the IRL alive is Danica. If NASCAR takes Danica, the IRL loose its' face and advertising revenue. Plus it completes for the France family's dream of completely destroy the series which was so dominating over NASCAR just 20 years ago.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 06:23

    im guessing danica will stay at indycar and be a big fish in a small pond. there are no guarantees she'd be anywhere nearly as successful at nascar as she's been at indycar.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 06:40

    here is an interesting look at engine usage

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 06:51

    im guessing danica will stay at indycar and be a big fish in a small pond. there are no guarantees she’d be anywhere nearly as successful at nascar as she’s been at indycar.

    Good point. However, after seeing how the France family operates... it wouldn't surprised me. Every promising American driver in the IRL they've plucked for NASCAR, one with a lot success (Smoke) and everyone else with very little.

    here is an interesting look at engine usage

    Hello Amy,

    Wow, Kubica goes through engines this year faster than a fat kid through chocolate.

    It's midnight here and qualifying starts at five. I think I am going to stay up tonight and do some reading and note taking for work. What a way to spend a Friday night.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 06:52

    It's midnight here and qualifying starts at five. I think I am going to stay up tonight and do some reading and note taking for work. What a way to spend a Friday night.

    sounds like my kind of night to be honest!

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 07:15

    I don't know if anyone has noticed this...

    But I think I now know why RG is such a fan of BMW... At least they like to pay him back from time to time. Check out the left and right scoops on the front wing and tell me if it doesn't say: "Go RG".

    http://www.f1minute.com/2009/07/24/handling-difficulties/

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 07:24

    But I think I now know why RG is such a fan of BMW... At least they like to pay him back from time to time. Check out the left and right scoops on the front wing and tell me if it doesn't say: "Go RG".

    You sir have an eagle eye.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 07:29

    But I think I now know why RG is such a fan of BMW... At least they like to pay him back from time to time. Check out the left and right scoops on the front wing and tell me if it doesn't say: "Go RG".

    ooooooooooh

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 07:30

    ooooooooooh

    I think he might be quite pleased by this show of support from the team :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 07:42

    I just lied about my occupation on my tax return. Oooh.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 07:44

    OK that it, I got through 78 pages of a 366 of the new draft of the climate change bill in the Senate. I give up.

    I am turning on the PS3 to race Hungary on F106:CE.

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 07:49

    I just lied about my occupation on my tax return. Oooh.

    Go to Jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 07:49

    Go to Jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

    :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 07:50

    Go to Jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

    I am not collecting $200, I am collecting $660 :D I spoke to some of my colleagues and every single one of us got the same "invalid occupation" error so every single one of us chose another similar occupation instead. If I am going down we're all going down!

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 07:54

    I am not collecting $200, I am collecting $660 :D I spoke to some of my colleagues and every single one of us got the same "invalid occupation" error so every single one of us chose another similar occupation instead. If I am going down we're all going down!

    I was only joking. However I am with you better to take the whole company down!

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 07:55

    I was only joking. However I am with you better to take the whole company down!

    Heheh I know. I don't like that I have already spent the money and I don't even have it yet :(

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 07:58

    I am not collecting $200, I am collecting $660 :D I spoke to some of my colleagues and every single one of us got the same "invalid occupation" error so every single one of us chose another similar occupation instead. If I am going down we're all going down!

    I don't know Australian tax laws but I think you will be OK.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:00

    I don't know Australian tax laws but I think you will be OK.

    I am the only person I know who didn't lie about their deductions to get a bigger refund so I think I'll be OK. I have Inland Revenue in my genes, I can't lie to a tax department :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:02

    I just lied about my occupation on my tax return. Oooh.

    you're a goner Amy. If you're going to lie to a tax office, don't talk about it online! morning all!

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:03

    you're a goner Amy. If you're going to lie to a tax office, don't talk about it online! morning all!

    what do you mean not all data online is secure? Do you mean I shouldn't have given my credit card number to that lovely Nigerian man who promised me an inheritance? ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:04

    what do you mean not all data online is secure? Do you mean I shouldn't have given my credit card number to that lovely Nigerian man who promised me an inheritance? ;)

    I got that email too! We are so going to be rich. But to save you the hassle, you should just give me your credit card number and then I'll look after the paperwork for you. Because I care :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:06

    I got that email too! We are so going to be rich. But to save you the hassle, you should just give me your credit card number and then I'll look after the paperwork for you. Because I care :)

    Would you also like my mothers maiden name, the name of my first pet and my favourite sports team?

    My bank actually asks for my great grandmothers name and because obviously I had four of them I always have to stop and think which one they want.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:09

    My bank actually asks for my great grandmothers name and because obviously I had four of them I always have to stop and think which one they want.

    Your favourite sports team - i think i might be okay with that one! Federer's twins was top news in switzerland yesterday. i'm assuming that's what the story was. that country is obsessed...

    They probably want your father's father's mother because it's easier.

    I come to work on a weekend for free internet. The maintenance guy is near me cleaning his car ;)

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 08:10

    I got that email too! We are so going to be rich. But to save you the hassle, you should just give me your credit card number and then I'll look after the paperwork for you. Because I care :)

    It's funny but the modern marketing scams sound like marketing pitches to an 1990's Formula One backmarker. I can imagine the guys at Mastcard Lola trying something like that.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:12

    Your favourite sports team - i think i might be okay with that one! Federer's twins was top news in switzerland yesterday. i'm assuming that's what the story was. that country is obsessed...

    Yes that one might be a little obvious. I guess what else can they talk about? ;) Their only choices are Federer or Buemi, and the latter hasn't done anything newsworthy recently. The only other Swiss person I know is my friend Fran and she hasn't done much newsworthy either. Although she is a midwife...

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:14

    my friend Fran and she hasn't done much newsworthy either. Although she is a midwife...

    hmm. exclusive photos?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:15

    It's funny but the modern marketing scams sound like marketing pitches to an 1990's Formula One backmarker. I can imagine the guys at Mastcard Lola trying something like that.

    I think Lola would have been nuts NOT to take any offers :)

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 08:16

    Yes that one might be a little obvious. I guess what else can they talk about? ;) Their only choices are Federer or Buemi, and the latter hasn't done anything newsworthy recently.

    What Peter Sauber doing these days? Hold it are we counting only people born is Switzerland or the people who moved there after they made lots and lots of money?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:19

    What Peter Sauber doing these days? Hold it are we counting only people born is Switzerland or the people who moved there after they made lots and lots of money?

    Good question. Once in a museum in Bern, I was looking at a list of "famous people from Bern", once I saw Stalin, I realised that it was really famous people that had spent any time at all in the city. i am now making any connection between Stalin and Sauber, just the flexibility of definitions.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 08:19

    Morning all.

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 08:19

    It's funny but the modern marketing scams sound like marketing pitches to an 1990's Formula One backmarker. I can imagine the guys at Mastcard Lola trying something like that.

    There is a very successful scam going on at the moment where you get a telephone call from your credit card company. They tell you that they have detected unusual activity on your card. They say, "your card number is..." You look at your card... Yes that is the number on the card. They say, "we just need you to decide what you want us to do with the refunded money, take it off the bill or send you a cheque. Unfortunately only the card holder can make this decision. Can you give me your mother's maiden name just to confirm, good thank you, can you now give me the 3 digit security code on the back of the card. Thank you. Now which option would you like."

    They get your card number and telephone number from old compromised websites before they brought in the three digit number. And because they called you and had your credit card number they are pretty believable.

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 08:20

    Morning all.

    Morning :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:20

    hmm. exclusive photos?

    who needs exclusive when you have hurried photoshopping

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:23

    They get your card number and telephone number from old compromised websites before they brought in the three digit number. And because they called you and had your credit card number they are pretty believable.

    Wow. I had a similar experience years ago where the Telstra (major phone company in Australia) used to ring up and say they had some good offers, "but to ensure we're talking to the bill payer could you please provide us with your date of birth"? they were shocked when I refused. But that wasn't a scam, that was just they way they did business. idiots...

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:23

    who needs exclusive when you have hurried photoshopping

    i see those crowns are still around :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:25

    i see those crowns are still around :)

    you can also see that Roger has won 15 grand slams by having three hands :D

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:26

    I take it back, Buemi did something newsworthy, he sped in the pitlane during FP2 and was fined 1800 Euro :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:27

    you can also see that Roger has won 15 grand slams by having three hands :D

    you know i never noticed that!

    now webber has won a race, we can hype up another driver from Oz

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 08:29

    now webber has won a race, we can hype up another driver from Oz

    I guess being Red Bull backed will help him get into/dumped from Torro Rosso ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:30

    I guess being Red Bull backed will help him get into/dumped from Torro Rosso ;)

    at least his name is not Sebastien/ian/iän

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:31

    I guess being Red Bull backed will help him get into/dumped from Torro Rosso ;)

    at least his name is not Sebastien/ian

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 08:31

    I am spending time this morning trying to make the 2 hours of shows I foolishly signed up for next weekend! :)

    During the week I kept thinking, "ah yes I'll tackle that on the weekend". But then I remembered that this weekend there's a race! And we're going to a play this evening! Ah well I'm sure I'll muddle through :)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:33

    During the week I kept thinking, "ah yes I'll tackle that on the weekend". But then I remembered that this weekend there's a race! And we're going to a play this evening! Ah well I'm sure I'll muddle through :)

    Surely one of your diary/calendar features alerted you to a clash of these things? what's the play?

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 08:35

    But I think I now know why RG is such a fan of BMW… At least they like to pay him back from time to time. Check out the left and right scoops on the front wing and tell me if it doesn’t say: “Go RG”. {Comment #118}

    That is really, really cool. RG didn't even have to pay for it (unless he knows something I don't). Now that's what I call acknowledging the supporters...

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 08:37

    Surely one of your diary/calendar features alerted you to a clash of these things? what's the play?

    Time and the Conways

    http://www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/42735/productions/time-and-the-conways.html

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:40

    That is really, really cool. RG didn't even have to pay for it (unless he knows something I don't). Now that's what I call acknowledging the supporters...

    What a pity the other angles show the fact that this wasn't RG having a big impact :(

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 08:42

    What a pity the other angles show the fact that this wasn't RG having a big impact :(

    shhh ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:43

    Time and the Conways

    I know of Priestley's work, but not familiar with it. Enjoy your intellectual evening, just don't write your podcast shows at the same time :)

    I love how even the national theatre even link to wikipedia for the play description. very tempted to vandalise that page for all the people that look it up today.

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 08:43

    I spoke to some of my colleagues and every single one of us got the same “invalid occupation” error so every single one of us chose another similar occupation instead. If I am going down we’re all going down! {Comment #126}

    I wonder if the lack of people in your profession will be taken as a sign of the recession rather than a programming error?

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 08:44

    I know of Priestley's work, but not familiar with it. Enjoy your intellectual evening, just don't write your podcast shows at the same time :)

    An Inspector Calls is the play most people know...

    This one is a bit of a serious commitment to culture though. It's 3 and half hours long and has two intervals!

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 08:46

    This one is a bit of a serious commitment to culture though. It's 3 and half hours long and has two intervals!

    Two intervals for the actors to learn their lines for the next acts? Or for the uncommitted audience members to think about leaving, and then not, and then have a second chance bonus interval. I love theatre, but if it's longer than 2 hours, I need a commercial break.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 10:38

    Guys,

    Last night (at 3am) I posted a link to my blog, so in case you missed it, I have written a post comparing Vettel and Webber here

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 10:50

    Last night (at 3am) I posted a link to my blog, so in case you missed it, I have written a post comparing Vettel and Webber here

    Thanks it was an interesting post - I think it is entirely feasible for Mark to have a repeat win tomorrow over team mate and Red Bull's closest rivals may well be McLaren and not Brawn.

  • me25/07/2009 at 14:39

    *waves from daily*

    over 'ere.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 14:41

    Daily feels like home.

  • me25/07/2009 at 14:42

    Daily feels like home.

    we need a welcome mat.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:42

    Daily feels like home.

    i agree. :)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:42

    we need a welcome mat.

    am thinking this is a job for Lukeh when he gets back :)

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 14:42

    am thinking this is a job for Lukeh when he gets back :)

    Yup, indeed.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 14:43

    we need a welcome mat.

    daily is better than home actually. I haven't once lost my keys in here.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 14:44

    daily is better than home actually. I haven't once lost my keys in here.

    there's always a first ;)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:44

    i tried and failed to get onto autosport.com

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 14:46

    there's always a first ;)

    sidepodconspiracy to stop me leaving ever? Losing my keys often stops me leaving the house. I did notice today that all the glass in the door to my apartment complex is shattered. Maybe someone else lost their keys :D

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:47

    great.... not the FIAgt live timings are down... i'll never get to find out how Ant's doing at this rate..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 14:48

    great.... not the FIAgt live timings are down... i'll never get to find out how Ant's doing at this rate..

    radiolemans.com

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 14:48

    sidepodconspiracy to stop me leaving ever? Losing my keys often stops me leaving the house. I did notice today that all the glass in the door to my apartment complex is shattered. Maybe someone else lost their keys :D

    fun neighbourhood then?

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:49

    radiolemans.com

    ooo!!! thank you, almost forgot about them!

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 14:49

    fun neighbourhood then?

    inner city. I was already pleased it is swipe access only, now I am pleased the glass is pretty strong.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:50

    okay Davidson's car is 7th :)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:54

    i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 14:54

    i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)

    That's good Lou. You're in the right place :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 14:54

    i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)

    I am in both. Multitasking ;)

  • Chris25/07/2009 at 14:54

    i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)

    This is why I switched to the Doohickey earlier!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 14:54

    i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)

    Nice in here innit!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 14:55

    i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)

    I am in both. Multitasking ;)

    Take me to Singapore - not an Aussie!

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 14:56

    Take me to Singapore - not an Aussie!

    You've got to get to Australia first ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 14:56

    i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)

    it's where i am. i'm just in silent mode. show me a photo of a panda to wake me up;)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 14:56

    I am in both. Multitasking ;)

    yay for multi tasking ;)

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 15:01

    From the google cache text only version of James Allen blog. From yesterday (i.e. 24-07-09):

    "Half of the UK contingent here in Budapest have been without mobile phones today as O2 had a problem which mean no coverage. This affected a lot of the BBC people and Brawn too."

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:03

    "Half of the UK contingent here in Budapest have been without mobile phones today as O2 had a problem which mean no coverage. This affected a lot of the BBC people and Brawn too."

    I got annoyed when Vodafone crashed at the Aus GP! Didn't they know I had to twitpic? Didn't they know their logo was all over my shirt?

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 15:06

    "Half of the UK contingent here in Budapest have been without mobile phones today as O2 had a problem which mean no coverage. This affected a lot of the BBC people and Brawn too."

    It affected guys from my office who were out in the states too. It was a really massive fail from O2.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:07

    "Half of the UK contingent here in Budapest have been without mobile phones today as O2 had a problem which mean no coverage. This affected a lot of the BBC people and Brawn too."

    obviously f1 timing was in on that as well.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 15:22

    Should we pick a thread to be in?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:23

    @fakepiquetjr is trying to make fun of Massa getting injured. HUMOUR FAIL.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:23

    Should we pick a thread to be in?

    Am thinking we should stick to the daily...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:24

    Should we pick a thread to be in?

    All the Massa stuff should be in the daily right? No live coverage = daily thread time?

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:24

    All the Massa stuff should be in the daily right? No live coverage = daily thread time?

    yep... everyone who isn't already please jump into the daily ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:26

    Should we pick a thread to be in?

    hmm.

    Massa's onboard video from the object hitting his head is here

    fotos are here. skip 7 and 9 if you're squeamish (same photo as the one we talked about before). shows the object in the air, the car in the wall, and sever shots of massa getting helped in and out of the car, into helicopter, some shots of the car as well.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:26

    hmm.

    Massa's onboard video from the object hitting his head is here

    i mean *of* the object. nothing squeamish on this.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:27

    @fakepiquetjr is trying to make fun of Massa getting injured. HUMOUR FAIL.

    i'd drop that feed, like the real piquet.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:27

    Rubens says he is on the way to see Felipe in the hospital

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:27

    I'm liking the pic of the sleeping panda when the LCLT is shown as doing the same :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:27

    @fakepiquetjr is trying to make fun of Massa getting injured. HUMOUR FAIL.

    i'd drop that feed, like the real piquet.

    He justifies it by saying his wound is superficial. That's not the point!

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:28

    Looking at the pic of the object striking Massa's head, I can safely say that looks like a spring.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:28

    i'd drop that feed, like the real piquet.

    I dropped all the fakes apart from the original, fakemarkwebber, a while back. There was just too much tweeting and the humour value was very low.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:29

    hmm.

    Massa's onboard video from the object hitting his head is here

    i mean *of* the object. nothing squeamish on this.

    The video of the crash is not that bad - but then neither is the Surtees one when you think about it. But that picture ... my wife knows nothing of F1 and she was shocked too!

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:29

    I dropped all the fakes apart from the original, fakemarkwebber, a while back. There was just too much tweeting and the humour value was very low.

    i stay away from tweeter. i can't keep up with emails i care about, i don't need to branch out that much.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:30

    its nice that Rubens is going to the hospital. I like that some of the F1 drivers actually care about each other. The Brazilians seem to be quite tight.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 15:30

    its nice that Rubens is going to the hospital. I like that some of the F1 drivers actually care about each other. The Brazilians seem to be quite tight.

    I'm guessing Michael might be en route to Budapest too, if he's not too busy right now.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 15:31

    Rubens says he is on the way to see Felipe in the hospital

    That is something positive, I just hope the initially fairly positive reports lead to a full and rapid recovery. He is going to need to be in hospital for at least 48 hours though.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:31

    Got this from a facebook friend:

    Nel 1994, 15 anni fa, il piu' grande campione di ogni tempo perse la vità per un puntone della sospensione che penetro' nel suo casco, all'altezza della visiera. Una settimana Surtees...18 anni, ha perso la vita in formula 2 a causa di una ruota finita in pieno casco, oggi, Massa, ha rischiato grosso e deve la vita al fatto che la molla non è pesante come una ruota ne sottile come un puntone. ABITACOLI CHIUSI.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:32

    its nice that Rubens is going to the hospital. I like that some of the F1 drivers actually care about each other. The Brazilians seem to be quite tight.

    I agree. it's nice to see human drivers for a change, like webber's non PR made scream, and the drivers running around today after qualy. nice :)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:32

    its nice that Rubens is going to the hospital. I like that some of the F1 drivers actually care about each other. The Brazilians seem to be quite tight.

    The Brazilians have always seemed very close though haven't they. Like Rubens and Senna... Heikki and Kimi seem to be close too... and then there is JB and DC shame Lewis isn't that close with the other brits really.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:32

    That is something positive, I just hope the initially fairly positive reports lead to a full and rapid recovery. He is going to need to be in hospital for at least 48 hours though.

    domenicali said on RAI (italian tv) that he won't race. but no other comment that i'm aware of.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:33

    Nel 1994, 15 anni fa, il piu' grande campione di ogni tempo perse la vità per un puntone della sospensione che penetro' nel suo casco, all'altezza della visiera. Una settimana Surtees...18 anni, ha perso la vita in formula 2 a causa di una ruota finita in pieno casco, oggi, Massa, ha rischiato grosso e deve la vita al fatto che la molla non è pesante come una ruota ne sottile come un puntone. ABITACOLI CHIUSI.

    you want a translation?

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:33

    The Brazilians have always seemed very close though haven't they. Like Rubens and Senna... Heikki and Kimi seem to be close too... and then there is JB and DC shame Lewis isn't that close with the other brits really.

    Mr Raikkonen and Mr Kovalainen watch the races together. I think that is very sweet :)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:34

    Mr Raikkonen and Mr Kovalainen watch the races together. I think that is very sweet :)

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:35

    Nel 1994, 15 anni fa, il piu' grande campione di ogni tempo perse la vità per un puntone della sospensione che penetro' nel suo casco, all'altezza della visiera. Una settimana Surtees...18 anni, ha perso la vita in formula 2 a causa di una ruota finita in pieno casco, oggi, Massa, ha rischiato grosso e deve la vita al fatto che la molla non è pesante come una ruota ne sottile come un puntone. ABITACOLI CHIUSI.

    you want a translation?

    Yes please :)

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:35

    you want a translation?

    This is what Babelfish says:

    In 1994, 15 years ago, the piu' great champion of every the life for a strut of the suspension lost time that penetro' in its helmet, all' height of the visiera. A Surtees week… 18 years, it has lost the life in formula 2 because of it rotates ended in full helmet, today, Mass, has risked large and it must the life to the fact that the motivating force is not heavy as it rotates some thin like a strut. NSIDE SLUICES.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 15:36

    The Brazilians have always seemed very close though haven't they. Like Rubens and Senna... Heikki and Kimi seem to be close too... and then there is JB and DC shame Lewis isn't that close with the other brits really.

    If there were another Australian Mark would likely be closer to that driver (even of they were NZ) - shared culture plus competing away from home and similar experiences.

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 15:37

    Afternoon, can anyone enlighten me as to what happened in the end with the Qualy. I had to go out during the major confusion when they didn't know how anyone had done.....

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:38

    ooh great... the cat's just dropped a mouse in the lounge.... of all the times to be having to run around after a small mouse...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:38

    This is what Babelfish says:

    That's why I asked Scott in Italy who speaks Italian to have a go.

    fish of Babel sense speak not so gibberish thinks it.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:39

    ooh great... the cat's just dropped a mouse in the lounge.... of all the times to be having to run around after a small mouse...

    That was cause for great celebration two weeks ago when my nieces came running over and told me their kitten had caught a mouse!

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 15:39

    @fakepiquetjr is trying to make fun of Massa getting injured. HUMOUR FAIL. {Comment #196}

    Yuck! I'll stick to @fakeyujiide for my Fake F1 humour...

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 15:39

    Afternoon, can anyone enlighten me as to what happened in the end with the Qualy. I had to go out during the major confusion when they didn't know how anyone had done.....

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/07/25/hungary-fp3-and-qualifying-times-2/

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:40

    Nel 1994, 15 anni fa, il piu' grande campione di ogni tempo perse la vità per un puntone della sospensione che penetro' nel suo casco, all'altezza della visiera. Una settimana Surtees...18 anni, ha perso la vita in formula 2 a causa di una ruota finita in pieno casco, oggi, Massa, ha rischiato grosso e deve la vita al fatto che la molla non è pesante come una ruota ne sottile come un puntone. ABITACOLI CHIUSI.

    in 1994, 15 years ago, the greatest champion of all time lost his life for a strut of suspension that penetrates his helmet above his visor. one week[ago] surtees...18 years old, has lost in life in formula 2 of the cause of a wheel that hit him right in the helmet. today, massa, has had a gross risk to his life and it must be that he survived because the object was not heavy like a strut.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:41

    That's why I asked Scott in Italy who speaks Italian to have a go.

    i'd take a mix of both of our translations. you get the idea ;)

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 15:41

    its nice that Rubens is going to the hospital. I like that some of the F1 drivers actually care about each other. The Brazilians seem to be quite tight. {Comment #210}

    This is heart-warming. Good on you, Rubens, and hope you get good news when you get there :)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:42

    That was cause for great celebration two weeks ago when my nieces came running over and told me their kitten had caught a mouse!

    thing is... my cat brings it into the house... and then leaves me to catch the damn thing.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 15:43

    thing is... my cat brings it into the house... and then leaves me to catch the damn thing.

    not a very smart cat, that one...

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 15:43

    Thanks Christine!!

    Did they decide the was Ruben's fault in the end?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:43

    massa hands were definately on the wheel when it hit. just watched an onboard replay.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:43

    That was cause for great celebration two weeks ago when my nieces came running over and told me their kitten had caught a mouse!

    thing is... my cat brings it into the house... and then leaves me to catch the damn thing.

    Ah not good. The kitten left it on the doorstep, so all ok here!

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 15:44

    Did they decide the was Ruben's fault in the end?

    It wasn't Rubens' fault per se, but the part did fall off from his car.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:44

    not a very smart cat, that one...

    she's too smart... that's her problem ;) she likes to play with the mouse, then lets us catch it once she gets bored.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 15:44

    Did they decide the was Ruben's fault in the end?

    If you change that to "Rubens car's fault" then yes

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 15:45

    massa hands were definately on the wheel when it hit. just watched an onboard replay.

    I noted that with some concern - they should take their hands off the wheel if there is no way to avoid the accident.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:46

    massa hands were definately on the wheel when it hit. just watched an onboard replay.

    I noted that with some concern - they should take their hands off the wheel if there is no way to avoid the accident.

    That should be an instinctive reaction, implying that the impact must have impaired Massa's brain function somewhat...

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 15:46

    I noted that with some concern - they should take their hands off the wheel if there is no way to avoid the accident.

    Wasn't the accident caused because he wasn't thinking properly, he didn't steer at all, I doubt he was thinking to move his hands off the wheel. Thank god he managed to brake.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:47

    massa hands were definately on the wheel when it hit. just watched an onboard replay.

    I noted that with some concern - they should take their hands off the wheel if there is no way to avoid the accident.

    just rewatched. he doesn't do any steering after the hit of the object so i doubt he was fully aware. just rewatched and his right hand was down (and may have been off)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:47

    That should be an instinctive reaction, implying that the impact must have impaired Massa's brain function somewhat...

    I think that is a given, considering he momentarily forgot how to steer ;)

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 15:49

    That should be an instinctive reaction, implying that the impact must have impaired Massa's brain function somewhat...

    I'd imagine it would have been similar to being unexpectedly punched in the face by Mike Tyson

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:50

    Wasn't the accident caused because he wasn't thinking properly, he didn't steer at all, I doubt he was thinking to move his hands off the wheel. Thank god he managed to brake.

    i was just thinking about this. i'm not sure he did brake. are their skid marks on the track? the only marks i saw were off the track - in sand - because if you drive a car through sand it leaves lines. even without braking

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:50

    oo its nearly 5... weights should be up soon :)

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 15:50

    i was just thinking about this. i'm not sure he did brake. are their skid marks on the track? the only marks i saw were off the track - in sand - because if you drive a car through sand it leaves lines. even without braking

    have a read of Joe Saward's blog

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:50

    I'd imagine it would have been similar to being unexpectedly punched in the face by Mike Tyson

    except you *usually* know that's going to happen. estimates from italian media have him about 280 km/h.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:51

    oo its nearly 5... weights should be up soon :)

    we'll see :)

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 15:51

    oo its nearly 5... weights should be up soon :)

    I cant believe I'm still awake! I almost never stay up this late.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:51

    Wasn't the accident caused because he wasn't thinking properly, he didn't steer at all, I doubt he was thinking to move his hands off the wheel. Thank god he managed to brake.

    i was just thinking about this. i'm not sure he did brake. are their skid marks on the track? the only marks i saw were off the track - in sand - because if you drive a car through sand it leaves lines. even without braking

    Telemetry showed 100% brake+throttle

    In Tom Pryce's accident (also a head injury) apparently he kept his foot on the throttle too. I am not saying it is the same, but just that it could have been how his brain reacted to the crash.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:51

    i was just thinking about this. i'm not sure he did brake. are their skid marks on the track? the only marks i saw were off the track - in sand - because if you drive a car through sand it leaves lines. even without braking

    Joe on his blog says that the team said it was just caused by the car going over the rough ground rather than braking.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:51

    I cant believe I'm still awake! I almost never stay up this late.

    welcome to the dark side. I'm getting up at 8am. Painful.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 15:52

    just rewatched. he doesn't do any steering after the hit of the object so i doubt he was fully aware. just rewatched and his right hand was down (and may have been off)

    I came to the same conclusion there was no sign of driver inputs once he was hit on the helmet. The braking could even have been involuntary bracing. Not a questions of forgetting there will be certain shut downs of the body's sensory apparatus.

  • RG25/07/2009 at 15:52

    From @NobleF1 on twitter

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries - which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:53

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries - which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion

    !

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:53

    Telemetry showed 100% brake+throttle

    i think by his feet falling on the pedals, than any deliberate effort

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:53

    Quick question - for my radio show, if I wanted to put songs in there, could I just play them off Musicalley or would I need to buy them?

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:53

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries - which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion

    Good lord.

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 15:54

    welcome to the dark side. I'm getting up at 8am. Painful.

    What are you up to that early?

    I came home full of beans about going to Oran Park tomorrow to watch Paul in his MX-5 and just generally hang out at a race track again. Not getting up early now!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 15:54

    Quick question - for my radio show, if I wanted to put songs in there, could I just play them off Musicalley or would I need to buy them?

    They have to be pod safe for public broadcast

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 15:54

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries - which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion

    Not just stitches? Uh-oh.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:54

    I came to the same conclusion there was no sign of driver inputs once he was hit on the helmet. The braking could even have been involuntary bracing. Not a questions of forgetting there will be certain shut downs of the body's sensory apparatus.

    agreed.

  • me25/07/2009 at 15:54

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries - which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion

    blimey. that's major. any idea what the recovery time with something like that is?

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 15:54

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries - which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion

    I am really not sure I like the sound of that, I feel somewhat upset.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:54

    What are you up to that early?

    I am going to a craft fair. Damn right I'm a nerd.

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 15:55

    Blimey, you'd think the press would be more careful before they say "just so you know, Felipe is fine" at the press conference

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:55

    Quick question - for my radio show, if I wanted to put songs in there, could I just play them off Musicalley or would I need to buy them?

    They have to be pod safe for public broadcast

    iasked christine about the music selection on the post for that topic but never asked about buying them or using them. nice question.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:55

    They have to be pod safe for public broadcast

    They are - they're off the Musicalley from Mevio site.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 15:55

    blimey. that's major. any idea what the recovery time with something like that is?

    Sounds like a fracture

  • me25/07/2009 at 15:55

    Quick question - for my radio show, if I wanted to put songs in there, could I just play them off Musicalley or would I need to buy them?

    musicalley is fine. you just need to tell us what you've played.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 15:55

    blimey. that's major. any idea what the recovery time with something like that is?

    hmmm. hard to tell. the most serious injury we've had before this was ralf hitting the wall at indy 2004 - he missed 6 races with that.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:55

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries - which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion

    Oh my god!!! :( poor Massa. That's pretty upsetting :( i hope he'll be okay.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:56

    musicalley is fine. you just need to tell us what you've played.

    OK, so when I'm recording do I just play it off the site and it will pick it up?

  • RG25/07/2009 at 15:56

    Oh my god!!! :( poor Massa. That's pretty upsetting :( i hope he'll be okay.

    So do I. Reckon he will be out for a while

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 15:56

    [waits for official news]

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 15:56

    I am really not sure I like the sound of that, I feel somewhat upset.

    All signs are positive so far though. We can never 'know' for sure, but I for one, am staying positive. We have a few weeks before the next race and I highly doubt Felipe will miss it.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 15:57

    Oh my god!!! :( poor Massa. That's pretty upsetting :( i hope he'll be okay.

    I hope his wife is doing OK too. I always worry about pregnant women who have to go through really stressful events.

  • me25/07/2009 at 15:57

    OK, so when I'm recording do I just play it off the site and it will pick it up?

    no. you need to tell us. email or wiki i would guess.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 15:57

    blimey. that's major. any idea what the recovery time with something like that is?

    if they suspect brain damage, it can be weeks/months/years. he'd be 99% fine, but it's that 1% you have to worry about.

    the operation can be plastic surgery for a bone fracture to the eye socket/skull which is minor but still not suitable for racing. i think the man will be fine, but doubt he'll be racing for a little while. fingers crossed.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:57

    no. you need to tell us. email or wiki i would guess.

    Ah OK, no problem :)

  • LCLADM25/07/2009 at 15:57

    Will there be only 19 drivers on the grid tomorrow then!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 15:58

    Will there be only 19 drivers on the grid tomorrow then!

    Sounds like it

  • me25/07/2009 at 15:58

    [waits for official news]

    jonny noble is as official as it gets. especially with 5live backing him up.

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 15:58

    I'd presume so.... You're not allowed to put in your reserve after qualifying me thinks

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 15:58

    jonny noble is as official as it gets. especially with 5live backing him up.

    Ok, thanks

  • lou25/07/2009 at 15:59

    I hope his wife is doing OK too. I always worry about pregnant women who have to go through really stressful events.

    oh goodness! of course, i'd forgotten she was pregnant.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 15:59

    Jonny Noble:

    Have just spoken to Barrichello about the Massa incident. He thinks after the events of Brands Hatch and today, something has to be done

    I agree. Freak accidents or not, it feels like it did in 1994 all over again :(

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 15:59

    Will there be only 19 drivers on the grid tomorrow then!

    If he needs an operation, isn't the answer quite obvious?

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:00

    I agree. Freak accidents or not, it feels like it did in 1994 all over again :(

    Dare I say that these things happen in three's?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:00

    Will there be only 19 drivers on the grid tomorrow then!

    If he needs an operation, isn't the answer quite obvious?

    Be nice Scott!

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:00

    I agree. Freak accidents or not, it feels like it did in 1994 all over again :(

    hmm. but what can you do aside from close the cockpit?

    do we want to see that?

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:00

    I agree. Freak accidents or not, it feels like it did in 1994 all over again :(

    Indeed. Forget the politics for a sec, this MUST be a priority.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:00

    gavin are you sure about 100% brake and throttle when Massa hit the wall?

    i found this screenshot AFTER the hit and it's just 100% throttle. as I'm saying this was after the hit. i just never paid attention to the telemetry but now i'm looking for it.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:00

    Will there be only 19 drivers on the grid tomorrow then!

    If he needs an operation, isn't the answer quite obvious?

    I think he was asking if a reserve driver can step in

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:01

    I think he was asking if a reserve driver can step in

    and the answer to that is no. empty grid position

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:01

    hmm. but what can you do aside from close the cockpit?

    i agree... aren't these just accidents... how can you stop a rear suspension failing?

    do we want to see that?

    really not...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:02

    AUTOSPORT reporting on the injuries as told by Noble

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77276

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:02

    Indeed. Forget the politics for a sec, this MUST be a priority.

    you say that, but nothing can be done, apart from covering the cock pits

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:02

    Will there be only 19 drivers on the grid tomorrow then!

    *imagines old men sitting around saying things like "in my day we raced with..."

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:02

    Indeed. Forget the politics for a sec, this MUST be a priority.

    i think everyone might be thinking that this weekend.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:03

    i agree... aren't these just accidents... how can you stop a rear suspension failing?

    you can't legislate for every conceivable problem. rubens is overreacting.

    if anything, helmet manufacturers need to take these things onboard, but there's only so much that can be done.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:03

    Jake says the BBC waited before they were sure about what happened before showing the reply. I assume as 5live are commenting for the radio they would have the world feed anyway..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:03

    I agree. Freak accidents or not, it feels like it did in 1994 all over again :(

    hmm. but what can you do aside from close the cockpit?

    do we want to see that?

    Maybe that is a must? I dunno. But clearly, we have had a lot of near misses lately and it seems like the luck has run out...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:03

    if anything, helmet manufacturers need to take these things onboard, but there's only so much that can be done.

    It's a dangerous sport, we know this

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:03

    gavin are you sure about 100% brake and throttle when Massa hit the wall?

    i found this screenshot AFTER the hit and it's just 100% throttle. as I'm saying this was after the hit. i just never paid attention to the telemetry but now i'm looking for it.

    Ollie has proof: http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/07/25/hungary-2009-felipe-massa-crashes-out-of-qualifying/

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 16:04

    Presumably Brawn were as careful as they could have been when putting Ruben's ar together. So far, they've been pretty bulletproof, it's not like bits are falling off right and left in which case I might suggest severe fines for the offenders

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:04

    if anything, helmet manufacturers need to take these things onboard, but there's only so much that can be done.

    surtees accident cant really be stopped against, but id agree that for helmet protection it needs to be improved for smaller things

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:04

    AUTOSPORT reporting on the injuries as told by Noble

    Possibly a stupid question, but how did Massa get a cut on his forehead when he was wearing a helmet?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:04

    live italian tv just said "he's good" but nothing new.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:05

    Possibly a stupid question, but how did Massa get a cut on his forehead when he was wearing a helmet?

    the pic shows that the visor broke.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:05

    if anything, helmet manufacturers need to take these things onboard, but there's only so much that can be done.

    yeah i think helmet manufacturers should do something to reinforce them a little more, but i can't see what the drivers can do...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:05

    Possibly a stupid question, but how did Massa get a cut on his forehead when he was wearing a helmet?

    Through the visor, or it may have lifted?

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:05

    the pic shows that the visor broke.

    Ah OK, thanks.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:06

    Ollie has proof: http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/07/25/hungary-2009-felipe-massa-crashes-out-of-qualifying/

    I believe you now :) It's not that I didn't before, I just wanted to see your evidence.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:06

    I believe you now :) It's not that I didn't before, I just wanted to see your evidence.

    Interesting that the screen clearly shows he is braking but the team say 'those marks aren't from braking'

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:07

    Through the visor, or it may have lifted?

    visors dont lift by themselves

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:07

    visors dont lift by themselves

    When hit by flying suspension parts?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:07

    Ollie has proof: http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/07/25/hungary-2009-felipe-massa-crashes-out-of-qualifying/

    I believe you now :) It's not that I didn't before, I just wanted to see your evidence.

    Fair enough ... it's hard to make sense of it all at the moment!

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:08

    Interesting that the screen clearly shows he is braking but the team say 'those marks aren't from braking'

    if they aren't from braking the ferrari must be so hard on its tyres as to never be able to complete a lap.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:08

    Interesting that the screen clearly shows he is braking but the team say 'those marks aren't from braking'

    Media control kicking in

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:08

    Perhaps some form of (larger?) windscreen is a partial answer? The drivers already sit incredibly low and something to attempt a deflection of anything coming towards the driver's face?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:08

    visors dont lift by themselves

    When hit by flying suspension parts?

    Surtees' visor also lifted - it appears the coil hit the top of the visor and broke it - that would be quite sharp!

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:08

    visors dont lift by themselves

    the visor is only attached to the helmet on one side - the other side was detached clean.

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 16:08

    Interesting that the screen clearly shows he is braking but the team say 'those marks aren't from braking'

    That said, the "screens" did go a bit mental today. It could easily be the sensors that are broken rather than the brakes.....

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:08

    Interesting that the screen clearly shows he is braking but the team say 'those marks aren't from braking'

    maybe the way the cars are 100% throttle + 100% brake = no effect from brake.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:09

    Presumably Brawn were as careful as they could have been when putting Ruben's ar together. So far, they've been pretty bulletproof, it's not like bits are falling off right and left in which case I might suggest severe fines for the offenders

    yeah it's not like the car did a Red Bull of a few years ago and fall to bits. i'm thinking Brawn would have checked over and over again if only for the cost of having to repair the car if it breaks.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:09

    maybe the way the cars are 100% throttle + 100% brake = no effect from brake.

    Brking would be certainly reduced if throttle was on and car in gear

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:10

    Fair enough ... it's hard to make sense of it all at the moment!

    yeah. it's taken an hour before I've started looking for things.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:10

    Interesting that the screen clearly shows he is braking but the team say 'those marks aren't from braking'

    maybe the way the cars are 100% throttle + 100% brake = no effect from brake.

    On a Sim, it would slow you down but the effect would be massively reduced. I have no idea what would happen in real life...

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:10

    yeah it's not like the car did a Red Bull of a few years ago and fall to bits. i'm thinking Brawn would have checked over and over again if only for the cost of having to repair the car if it breaks.

    it would be from a part failing, not just falling off because it wasnt done up hard enough

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:10

    Brking would be certainly reduced if throttle was on and car in gear

    I've never tried to 100% accelerate and brake at the same time. Probably a good thing I don't have a car at the moment or I'd go experiment.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:10

    On a Sim, it would slow you down but the effect would be massively reduced. I have no idea what would happen in real life...

    the clutch would blow up

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:11

    I've never tried to 100% accelerate and brake at the same time. Probably a good thing I don't have a car at the moment or I'd go experiment.

    anyone for go karting tomorrow?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:12

    I've never tried to 100% accelerate and brake at the same time. Probably a good thing I don't have a car at the moment or I'd go experiment.

    i remember being told by different people over the years of what to do if your throttle jams, correct me if i'm wrong but step 1 is turn off the ignition switch, and then failing that, hit neutral. thoughts anyone?

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:12

    i remember being told by different people over the years of what to do if your throttle jams, correct me if i'm wrong but step 1 is turn off the ignition switch, and then failing that, hit neutral. thoughts anyone?

    neutral and brake

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:13

    I've never tried to 100% accelerate and brake at the same time. Probably a good thing I don't have a car at the moment or I'd go experiment.

    i remember being told by different people over the years of what to do if your throttle jams, correct me if i'm wrong but step 1 is turn off the ignition switch, and then failing that, hit neutral. thoughts anyone?

    Have you tried doing that at 100mph after being hit in the head by a coil?

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 16:13

    Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries – which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion {Comment #256}

    That is serious. At that point, four weeks may not be enough. Though how long is enough is like asking "how long is a piece of string?"

    Hope the operation goes well for Felipe and he recovers well and quickly. I feel sorry for him :(

    On a slightly different note, I'm pleased at how many drivers mentioned their concern for Felipe in their press statements. I'm sure it was never this widespread in the past.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:13

    i remember being told by different people over the years of what to do if your throttle jams, correct me if i'm wrong but step 1 is turn off the ignition switch, and then failing that, hit neutral. thoughts anyone?

    I remember asking my dad once what I should do if he has a heart attack while driving. He didn't really appreciate the question, but he did answer it and your answer rings a bell.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:14

    Have you tried doing that at 100mph after being hit in the head by a coil?

    i am not drawing a connection between the two. just going off on a tangent.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:14

    Any weights yet?

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 16:14

    Hmmmm it depends what "bone damage" means..... It could be proper skull fracture or it might even be nothing once the tissue swelling goes down.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:14

    neutral and brake

    you wouldn't cut the ignition Jon?

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:14

    Have you tried doing that at 100mph after being hit in the head by a coil?

    whilst being partially uncontious

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:14

    Any weights yet?

    nope.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:14

    Have you tried doing that at 100mph after being hit in the head by a coil?

    i am not drawing a connection between the two. just going off on a tangent.

    Yeah I know. My point was, even if he knew what to do, the situation may have made it difficult to do it!

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:15

    Any weights yet?

    with the Amy vs Scott In Italy battle? You'll be the first to know.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:15

    From JA's Twitter:

    Ferrari says Massa has bone damage of skull and concussion, requires a operation. He will stay in intensive care

    Intensive Care? :(

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 16:15

    you wouldn't cut the ignition Jon?

    Depends if you had time surely? It wouldn't be my first action,if you're in neutral it doesn't matter how hard your foot is on the throttle..... You can sort it out once you've stopped.

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 16:15

    anyone for go karting tomorrow? {Comment #335}

    I am planning a go-karting expedition (possibly October), but there's no way I'm trying to gather a group together at 24 hours' notice - or attempting to brake and accelerate at 100% simultaneously (bearing in mind the Teamworks people reckoned that would break the kart).

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:15

    Intensive Care? :(

    standard procedure for a head injury.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:15

    with the Amy vs Scott In Italy battle? You'll be the first to know.

    *after* you and me right? or is Journeyer playing a long today. it's 1-1-1 isn't it?

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:15

    you wouldn't cut the ignition Jon?

    well yeah of course, but if you're partially unconscious then you have to work out whats easiest, and likelyhood you wouldnt think about what you were doing, you'd just brake

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:16

    *after* you and me right? or is Journeyer playing a long today. it's 1-1-1 isn't it?

    I can play along. :D

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:16

    Intensive Care? :(

    it's standard to put someone in intensive care after any operation to the brain or head. it's a precaution...

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:16

    *after* you and me right? or is Journeyer playing a long today. it's 1-1-1 isn't it?

    that was the FIAs fault!

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:17

    I can play along. :D

    hehe

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:17

    I've never tried to 100% accelerate and brake at the same time. Probably a good thing I don't have a car at the moment or I'd go experiment.

    That's what hire karts are for. Right after they tell you not to :P

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:17

    I am planning a go-karting expedition (possibly October), but there's no way I'm trying to gather a group together at 24 hours' notice - or attempting to brake and accelerate at 100% simultaneously (bearing in mind the Teamworks people reckoned that would break the kart).

    I think I sorta did that the last time I went go-karting. From what I remember, the rear end locked up and I spun a bit.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:17

    that was the FIAs fault!

    do you think they got fed up with you slamming their servers?

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:17

    That's what hire karts are for. Right after they tell you not to :P

    Where we're going, we don't need rules.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:18

    That's what hire karts are for. Right after they tell you not to :P

    When you do it at my local place they give you "hand gestures"

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:18

    well yeah of course, but if you're partially unconscious then you have to work out whats easiest, and likelyhood you wouldnt think about what you were doing, you'd just brake

    i was never talking about massa's incident, just a general standard road car throttle jam. as someone who spun a car on a freeway at high speeds (tyre popped), i assure you braking is not always the best thing to do.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:18

    do you think they got fed up with you slamming their servers?

    that, or they are just incompetent :D

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:18

    that, or they are just incompetent :D

    today will tell?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:18

    do you think they got fed up with you slamming their servers?

    you think once every 10 seconds is too much?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:19

    that, or they are just incompetent :D

    today will tell?

    i think it already did with live timing;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:19

    you think once every 10 seconds is too much?

    too much for what? to bring it down, no. to get noticed, yes.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:19

    i was never talking about massa's incident, just a general standard road car throttle jam. as someone who spun a car on a freeway at high speeds (tyre popped), i assure you braking is not always the best thing to do.

    in that situation, braking is never the best thing to do. turn into it (and depending on which tyre has popped and whether the car is FWD/RWD/4WD) and put the power on

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:19

    you think once every 10 seconds is too much?

    6 times a minute? I've done HUNDREDS by then ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:19

    you think once every 10 seconds is too much?

    too much for what? to bring it down, no. to get noticed, yes.

    i'm not worried about being noticed. i suspect amy is doing it more than once every second though ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:20

    6 times a minute? I've done HUNDREDS by then ;)

    [might make a slight change to the script then]

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:20

    When you do it at my local place they give you "hand gestures"

    :D

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:21

    i was never talking about massa's incident, just a general standard road car throttle jam. as someone who spun a car on a freeway at high speeds (tyre popped), i assure you braking is not always the best thing to do.

    i was seriously concerned about my dad having a heart attack whilst driving! he had had major heart surgery! but that was 10 years ago now, I have gotten over my fear of being in a car with him :D

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:21

    you wouldn't cut the ignition Jon?

    No. You'll lose steering and braking assistance. You'll possibly also turn it off too far and the steering lock will come into play.

    I guess it all depends on the cars age and technical ability (rev limiter?) and whether you are in danger of crashing or can just coast to a stop.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:21

    [might make a slight change to the script then]

    I need to stop giving away my secrets. :D

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:22

    Ooh, anyone got any live feeds for the Spa 24 Hours?

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:23

    I am concerned next time I am behind the wheel this might be me

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2672796/Honey-I-sank-the-Porsche

    I haven't driven over a year, and my next attempt will be a narrow windy coastal road that I never liked when I drove it regularly :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:23

    Ooh, anyone got any live feeds for the Spa 24 Hours?

    I would suggest the MWM listeners collective on Facebook.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:24

    Ooh, anyone got any live feeds for the Spa 24 Hours?

    yep. http://www.fiagt.com/live.php

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:24

    yep. http://www.fiagt.com/live.php

    Davidson's car now 6th :)

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:24

    in that situation, braking is never the best thing to do. turn into it (and depending on which tyre has popped and whether the car is FWD/RWD/4WD) and put the power on

    I wouldn't be applying more throttle. Just ease off everything. I think Scott was saying he spun because he braked, not because of the initial tyre deflation.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:25

    Looks like they're currently under yellows at Spa, not sure why.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:25

    i was seriously concerned about my dad having a heart attack whilst driving! he had had major heart surgery! but that was 10 years ago now, I have gotten over my fear of being in a car with him :D

    i get that. it's a good question to ask. handy hint - if your car makes a noise, and you're not sure where it's coming from, stop the car.

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:25

    I haven't driven over a year, and my next attempt will be a narrow windy coastal road that I never liked when I drove it regularly :D

    Again, Karting solves many problems and answers many questions.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:26

    Again, Karting solves many problems and answers many questions.

    I have remembered some things. Last night my flatmate said "you know how when you drive, and you accelerate with your left foot"

    "no?"

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:26

    I wouldn't be applying more throttle. Just ease off everything. I think Scott was saying he spun because he braked, not because of the initial tyre deflation.

    the tyre popped. i then spun. then i had to keep the car on the road without hitting the cars on my side of the road, or the other side of the road, heading off the side of the freeway, and well...i did put on the brakes at a few points, but had to come off when i was going to roll the car. all wheel drive subaru.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:27

    i get that. it's a good question to ask. handy hint - if your car makes a noise, and you're not sure where it's coming from, stop the car.

    or, turn up the stereo until you can't hear it.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:27

    Looks like they're currently under yellows at Spa, not sure why.

    the track was wet earlier... seems alright now... i've not been watching for about 1/2 hour so can't tell you :(

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:27

    Is that yellow pace car a Weismann?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:27

    or, turn up the stereo until you can't hear it.

    mental note: don't get in car with amy.

  • Alison25/07/2009 at 16:28

    I've been in a car when the brakes failed, luckily we weren't going that fast and the driver had the presence of mind to use the handbrake

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:28

    mental note: don't get in car with amy.

    I have a fantastic driving record :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:28

    I've been in a car when the brakes failed, luckily we weren't going that fast and the driver had the presence of mind to use the handbrake

    how did the brakes fail?

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:29

    I have a fantastic driving record :D

    I got a compliment on my driving ability the other day. Someone left a yellow note on my windscreen saying "Parking: Fine"

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:30

    I got a compliment on my driving ability the other day. Someone left a yellow note on my windscreen saying "Parking: Fine"

    :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:30

    how did the brakes fail?

    my brakes failed once in my mini after I seriously over worked them going down a ridiculously steep hill. My poor car.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 16:30

    I got a compliment on my driving ability the other day. Someone left a yellow note on my windscreen saying "Parking: Fine"

    How nice of them

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:30

    Ouch, that Corvette is mullered.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:31

    my brakes failed once in my mini after I seriously over worked them going down a ridiculously steep hill. My poor car.

    eek.

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:31

    I have remembered some things. Last night my flatmate said "you know how when you drive, and you accelerate with your left foot"

    "no?"

    Even the crazy countries where they sit on the wrong side of the car know that right foot down means go faster.

    Anyone who drives an automatic (or manual if you're game) should really try left foot braking. It doesn't take long to learn and has saved me several times.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:33

    Anyone who drives an automatic (or manual if you're game) should really try left foot braking. It doesn't take long to learn and has saved me several times.

    i used to do it in the work car - an automatic - just because i thought it would be interesting to get an idea of how to do it. never had to seriously do it but the fact is, it's faster. but jeremy are you talking about rally driving here or normal driving "saving".

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:34

    my brakes failed once in my mini after I seriously over worked them going down a ridiculously steep hill. My poor car.

    Coming back from a rally in Canberra, my brakes caught fire after coming down Macquarie Pass rather enthusiastically in the Beetle at 2am. The guys at the roadworks at the bottom thought it was funny.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:34

    Anyone who drives an automatic (or manual if you're game) should really try left foot braking. It doesn't take long to learn and has saved me several times.

    I drove an automatic once when my flatmate got really drunk and then tried to drive to her boyfriends house and the only way to stop her was to drive her myself. I had no idea they don't start without your foot on the brake, that they don't slow down when you stop accelerating, and that you can't take the key out unless its in park. Stupid cars.

    When we got there though she said "I love you soooo much I'll give you some petrol money!"

    I didn't point out the error in that logic.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 16:34

    Anyone who drives an automatic (or manual if you're game) should really try left foot braking. It doesn't take long to learn and has saved me several times.

    Not that you can really compare it, but left foot braking is all I've known so far, thanks to all the sim racing I've done.

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:35

    i used to do it in the work car - an automatic - just because i thought it would be interesting to get an idea of how to do it. never had to seriously do it but the fact is, it's faster. but jeremy are you talking about rally driving here or normal driving "saving".

    Both, but mostly road driving, and by saving, I mean from minor rear enders and major stuff like people pulling out of intersections on me.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:35

    phew. after much running.. and it climbing up the inside of my trousers, i have caught the mouse!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 16:35

    phew. after much running.. and it climbing up the inside of my trousers, i have caught the mouse!

    Eeek! Literally!

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:35

    When we got there though she said "I love you soooo much I'll give you some petrol money!"

    I didn't point out the error in that logic.

    should have taken the money ;) automatic cars are great. they are like toy cars to me after driving a manual all my life.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:36

    Eeek! Literally!

    i wasn't best pleased... and may have screamed just a little bit... but i got it! mwahaha. and it's back outside where it belongs.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:36

    should have taken the money ;) automatic cars are great. they are like toy cars to me after driving a manual all my life.

    I did take her money, and then I went to buy some food and visit my boyfriend too. I didn't like my flatmate, I was more than willing to use her petrol AND get paid for it :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:36

    Both, but mostly road driving, and by saving, I mean from minor rear enders and major stuff like people pulling out of intersections on me.

    is this with an auto? cos i would only ever do left foot break in a manual in a mega emergency.

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:37

    i wasn't best pleased... and may have screamed just a little bit... but i got it! mwahaha. and it's back outside where it belongs.

    I love getting presents but not so much from pets :-)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:37

    I did take her money, and then I went to buy some food and visit my boyfriend too. I didn't like my flatmate, I was more than willing to use her petrol AND get paid for it :D

    smart work :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:37

    should have taken the money ;) automatic cars are great. they are like toy cars to me after driving a manual all my life.

    I would never ever buy one though, unless I lived in a city where I got stuck in traffic a lot. I enjoy my driving, and I enjoy actually controlling the driving rather than just steering :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:38

    I would never ever buy one though, unless I lived in a city where I got stuck in traffic a lot. I enjoy my driving, and I enjoy actually controlling the driving rather than just steering :D

    likewise. i live in a town where a traffic jam is caused by a tractor. it's funny, but i'm over it.

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:39

    I would never ever buy one though, unless I lived in a city where I got stuck in traffic a lot. I enjoy my driving, and I enjoy actually controlling the driving rather than just steering :D

    If the F1 guys can do it, so can I. All I really need is launch control. I'm guessing that was never an option on my Honda... I keep a manual car around for the occasional loony moments.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 16:39

    should have taken the money ;) automatic cars are great. they are like toy cars to me after driving a manual all my life.

    My automatic is a toy car!

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:40
  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:40

    If the F1 guys can do it, so can I. All I really need is launch control. I'm guessing that was never an option on my Honda... I keep a manual car around for the occasional loony moments.

    i just want a steering wheel like them. i can live without launch control

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:40
  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:40

    If the F1 guys can do it, so can I. All I really need is launch control. I'm guessing that was never an option on my Honda... I keep a manual car around for the occasional loony moments.

    they have flappy things though! They are still changing gear!

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:42

    is this with an auto? cos i would only ever do left foot break in a manual in a mega emergency.

    Mostly auto but I could get the rear out in the WRX with some carefully timed applications. Not that I really needed to - it had enough power to show all those 'but RWD is more fun' peeps that they were wrong.

  • Lukeh25/07/2009 at 16:42

    Evening peoples.

    Heard about qualifying from lou's always awesome updates... sounds completely mad...

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:43

    jake has the fuel info?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:43

    Mostly auto but I could get the rear out in the WRX with some carefully timed applications. Not that I really needed to - it had enough power to show all those 'but RWD is more fun' peeps that they were wrong.

    WRX hey? interesting. still got all the points on the license?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:44

    jake has the fuel info?

    asking or telling? FIA have not posted it.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:44

    asking or telling? FIA have not posted it.

    telling. he says:

    "Fernando light, 12 laps of fuel. Rest of the boys almost identical fuel and stopping around L19...but Jenson is heaviest top 10 car, 25 laps"

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:45

    jake has the fuel info?

    i guess it goes up in the media centre before it goes on the website, the timestamp on the document is always a lot before the time it goes up.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:45

    jake has the fuel info?

    he has?

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:45

    I would prefer flappy paddles to the buttons on the wheel I currently have, but at least I have seven 'gears' (increments) to play with - just like the F1 guys!

    When I say auto, i really mean ones with an acceptable manual function. which they pretty much all have now. I would have any auto with the dual clutch manual function thingy that VW, Porsche, Ferrari and BMW use.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:45

    "Fernando light, 12 laps of fuel. Rest of the boys almost identical fuel and stopping around L19...but Jenson is heaviest top 10 car, 25 laps"

    +6 laps. there is still hope, but he better be able to stay with the leaders.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 16:45

    i just want a steering wheel like them. i can live without launch control

    I could pretend my toy car was an F1 since the engine is in the rear and you change gears on the steering wheel. After that all comparisons break down cos its dead slow, handles like a bus and ride bumps like a pogo stick.

  • RG25/07/2009 at 16:45

    "Fernando light, 12 laps of fuel. Rest of the boys almost identical fuel and stopping around L19...but Jenson is heaviest top 10 car, 25 laps"

    Maybe shared in the paddock first before being realised on t'internet?

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:45

    i guess it goes up in the media centre before it goes on the website, the timestamp on the document is always a lot before the time it goes up.

    ahh. boo to jake.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:45

    i guess it goes up in the media centre before it goes on the website, the timestamp on the document is always a lot before the time it goes up.

    are we still on?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:46

    jake has the fuel info?

    i guess it goes up in the media centre before it goes on the website, the timestamp on the document is always a lot before the time it goes up.

    i got a media pass for one sporting event here in italy. should try for the fia.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:46

    +6 laps. there is still hope, but he better be able to stay with the leaders.

    better hope there's no safety car.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:46

    are we still on?

    yeah it's still a battle for us:)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:46

    "Fernando light, 12 laps of fuel. Rest of the boys almost identical fuel and stopping around L19...but Jenson is heaviest top 10 car, 25 laps"

    so Jenson would have been heaviest anyway... even if he hadn't have had the extra 4 laps of fuel in the car....

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:47

    WRX hey? interesting. still got all the points on the license?

    Many moons ago now. Boring Honda old man car now :-(

    My hotted up GTi Swift doesn't get out much anymore...

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:47

    ahh. boo to jake.

    why?

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:47

    yeah it's still a battle for us:)

    not a good time for my network connection to start misbehaving.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:47

    why?

    for spoiling the fun. amy has to be first on twitter. it's the law.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:47

    for spoiling the fun. amy has to be first on twitter. it's the law.

    oh... maybe you should tell him? :P

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:47

    not a good time for my network connection to start misbehaving.

    me and journeyer are doing that :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:48

    for spoiling the fun. amy has to be first on twitter. it's the law.

    a certain blogger was first last week, and then sent me a DM to rub it in.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:48

    Depends if you had time surely? It wouldn't be my first action,if you're in neutral it doesn't matter how hard your foot is on the throttle..... You can sort it out once you've stopped.

    Cutting the throttle also cut power assistance to steering and braking

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 16:48

    *Cutting the ignition, I mean

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:48

    Cutting the throttle also cut power assistance to steering and braking

    i guess i learnt that before the cars i was driving had those things!

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:49

    a certain blogger was first last week, and then sent me a DM to rub it in.

    if it's who i think it is, you being first even once must've cut him deep :)

    go amy!

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:50

    go amy!

    you playing favourites? ;)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:51

    you playing favourites? ;)

    you dont count, you're not on twitter. no favourites in the spc race :D

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:51

    I am angry at drop.io. It won't load.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:51

    you dont count, you're not on twitter. no favourites in the spc race :D

    aah shucks for the last part. not so sure about "you don't count". grrr...

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:51

    5live appear to be saying massa can be replaced, but only with a driver currently in the field.

    buemi to ferrari tomorrow?

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:52

    you dont count, you're not on twitter. no favourites in the spc race :D

    exactly.

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:52

    go amy!

    Go to bed Amy! :-)

    As I am. Goodnight all.

    Best wishes to Felipe and all associated with him.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:52

    buemi to ferrari tomorrow?

    kimi to drive his car, a magnum to drive the other.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:52

    5live appear to be saying massa can be replaced, but only with a driver currently in the field.

    oh...

    buemi to ferrari tomorrow?

    that would be interesting...

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:52

    buemi to ferrari tomorrow?

    ...alonso? =))

    but if it has to be from the current field, that team would only have to run 1 car.

    buemi's the most likely bet, i guess. but the ferrari would start where buemi qualified then?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:52

    As I am. Goodnight all.

    night Jeremy. i was going to call you a slacker for going now but just looked at my australian east coast clock. 2:52 am. yikes ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:53

    buemi's the most likely bet, i guess. but the ferrari would start where buemi qualified then?

    i'm lost now :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:53

    Speaking of twitter, I am confused by my twitter angel who disappeared after Melbourne, then came back with one update on July 9 "Belting along the Autobahn in light rain on my way to the Nurburgring. A Porsche just passed doing about 160mph..." and since hasn't been seen.

  • RG25/07/2009 at 16:53

    buemi's the most likely bet, i guess. but the ferrari would start where buemi qualified then?

    would toro rosso be happy with that though?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:54

    what's a twitter angel?

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:54

    i'm lost now :)

    str have ferrari engines. and it will not be algeawhatsit.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:54

    buemi's the most likely bet, i guess. but the ferrari would start where buemi qualified then?

    no. where massa qualified, surely?

  • Jeremy25/07/2009 at 16:55

    James Allen blog is back.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:55

    would toro rosso be happy with that though?

    if they want more engines?

    back weekend for le seb not to be around.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:55

    James Allen blog is back.

    damn. i wasn't trying hard enough :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:55

    what's a twitter angel?

    http://twitter.com/glendix/status/1381258707

    Every time I am sad I remember that tweet and life is good again :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:55

    str have ferrari engines. and it will not be algeawhatsit.

    no that part I'm okay on, it was more a case of if a driver changes teams, is it the car/driver qual position that counts.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:55

    damn. i wasn't trying hard enough :)

    i could write a script for you ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:56

    Every time I am sad I remember that tweet and life is good again :D

    :)

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:56

    no that part I'm okay on, it was more a case of if a driver changes teams, is it the car/driver qual position that counts.

    have just asked 5livef1.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:56

    i could write a script for you ;)

    :)

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:56

    back weekend for le seb not to be around.

    you mean bad? well, would ferrari have gotten bourdais had he been the guy in the other car...?

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:57

    you mean bad? well, would ferrari have gotten bourdais had he been the guy in the other car...?

    mm, true. probs not.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:58

    "Ross Brawn confirms that the part that hit Felipe Massa was the spring from a damper on Barrichello's car - weighing around 800 grammes"

    http://twitter.com/NobleF1/statuses/2839541346

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:58

    Jon Noble on twitter

    "Ross Brawn confirms that the part that hit Felipe Massa was the spring from a damper on Barrichello's car - weighing around 800 grammes"

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 16:58

    The FIA Elections has its own set of pages. Feel free to ignore if you're not interested:

    http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/governance/elections/Pages/fia_elections_home.aspx

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 16:58

    :)

    I still want to know who this guy is. Tweets like "Sitting in a meeting to discuss whether we should corporately be using twitter..." and "Opened the new F1 exibition this morning at the Science Museum. Ron very happy with 'his' speech. I love that place." and " Doing a run through of team principals' presentations an hour before the FOTA press conference in Geneva. Like herding cats." say "quite high in the team" to me.

    Back when he was only following me and F1_Girl she was sure he was a mechanic. No way.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 16:58

    I'm going to give up posting twitter links... someone always beats me to it :P

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:58

    "Ross Brawn confirms that the part that hit Felipe Massa was the spring from a damper on Barrichello's car - weighing around 800 grammes"

    ow. delighted he's alive :) gees.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:59

    ow. delighted he's alive :) gees.

    he's only got 140chars.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 16:59

    Like herding cats." say "quite high in the team" to me.Back when he was only following me and F1_Girl she was sure he was a mechanic. No way.

    i think he might have written Ron's speech.

  • me25/07/2009 at 16:59

    I'm going to give up posting twitter links... someone always beats me to it :P

    soz. you go first. i don't even like twitter remember.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:00

    i think he might have written Ron's speech.

    but whooo is he? I should have asked the McLaren girl at the cricket "who put my name on this list" but I was too excited about the fact it wasn't a hoax and that someone at McLaren knew my name to think at the time :D

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 17:01

    5live appear to be saying massa can be replaced, but only with a driver currently in the field.

    That's a surprise - I think if I was Ferrari and STR I would come to an agreement - it would be good experience for Buemi.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:02

    but whooo is he? I should have asked the McLaren girl at the cricket "who put my name on this list" but I was too excited about the fact it wasn't a hoax and that someone at McLaren knew my name to think at the time :D

    who is he? your future husband if he's single. maybe even if he's not ;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:02

    interesting tweet:

    "Ferrari ABS? conveniently spaced lockup marks!"

    http://www.sutton-images.com/preview.asp?filename=d09hun1108.jpg

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:02

    soz. you go first. i don't even like twitter remember.

    not is cool. the less i have to use my touch pad the better... tis very very hot atm... i'm going to need some sort of fan....

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:02

    "Ferrari ABS? conveniently spaced lockup marks!"

    would having your foot on both pedals do that?

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:03

    who is he? your future husband if he's single. maybe even if he's not ;)

    I'd much rather the lovely McLaren guy who showed us around the pits. I had a good chat to him, he was very heartable :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:03

    interesting tweet:

    "Ferrari ABS? conveniently spaced lockup marks!"

    http://www.sutton-images.com/preview.asp?filename=d09hun1108.jpg

    A little bouncing perhaps?

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:03

    A little bouncing perhaps?

    Not to mention now may not be the best time to speculate on that.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:04

    would having your foot on both pedals do that?

    No. Solid lines.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:04

    would having your foot on both pedals do that?

    that's odd. i agree with bassano that it might be bouncing, but still not the pattern i'd expect in a fully functional car.

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:04

    No. Solid lines.

    abs?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:05

    abs?

    That's a bit illegal isn't it?

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:05

    That's a bit illegal isn't it?

    very.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:05

    abs?

    With abs - thats kind of what you would see. I'd expect to see less of the black though.

    Which of the Ferrari's did that then?

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 17:06

    That's a bit illegal isn't it?

    Absolutely as it is a driving aid like traction control.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:06

    Jon Noble on twitter

    "Ross Brawn confirms that the part that hit Felipe Massa was the spring from a damper on Barrichello's car - weighing around 800 grammes"

    Getting the most amount of Retweets, that one

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:07

    Which of the Ferrari's did that then?

    Massa's, before he hit the tyre barrier

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:08

    need to reset which takes so long I have no doubt I will lose the weights race :(

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:08

    need to reset which takes so long I have no doubt I will lose the weights race :(

    stay for the challenge!

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:08

    need to reset which takes so long I have no doubt I will lose the weights race :(

    news has been delayed, amy. who knows, might not be up yet by the time you're back.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:08

    Massa's, before he hit the tyre barrier

    I guessed that there may be contact with the barrier from that image. :D

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 17:09

    Massa's, before he hit the tyre barrier

    I think it is the undulations in the surface - would need higher resolution image though to say positively.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:09

    JA blog saying that KERS is worth 18 metres on the start so will probably beat the two Red bull cars to the first corner. but that might depend on the weights which are known to Jake at BBC but not to the FIA website, and there people like us :(

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:10

    stay for the challenge!

    but...my internet....I have stayed. But it can go at anytime.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:10

    JA blog saying that KERS is worth 18 metres on the start so will probably beat the two Red bull cars to the first corner. but that might depend on the weights which are known to Jake at BBC but not to the FIA website, and there people like us :(

    An Alonso-Hamilton fight at the front will hinder RBR and help Jenson stay in touch.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:10

    news has been delayed, amy. who knows, might not be up yet by the time you're back.

    this is the latest I've seen. but not surprised after what happened today. i just don't get why the fia don't have a more efficient system to post it to everyone within 5 minutes. must be italian.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:11

    this is the latest I've seen. but not surprised after what happened today. i just don't get why the fia don't have a more efficient system to post it to everyone within 5 minutes. must be italian.

    they know I'm getting up in 5 hours and are laughing their heads off.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:11

    An Alonso-Hamilton fight at the front will hinder RBR and help Jenson stay in touch.

    you mean because of the dirty air in front of the RBR cars?

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:12

    you mean because of the dirty air in front of the RBR cars?

    yup. not to mention the track itself.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:12

    they know I'm getting up in 5 hours and are laughing their heads off.

    it's all about you :)

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 17:12

    An Alonso-Hamilton fight at the front will hinder RBR and help Jenson stay in touch.

    Certainly if both RBR got behind one or both Maccas it would help Jenson. Alonso being light is likely to avoid being taken at the start though.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:13

    it's all about you :)

    obviously. Q3 was delayed by what, 10-15 minutes? Weights are delayed by an hour :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:13

    you mean because of the dirty air in front of the RBR cars?

    Because Lewis cold jump them on the way to the first corner

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:13

    News on Ant Davidson in the Spa 24 his car is currently still 6th, tis raining ALOT and there is a safety car out while debris is being cleared from the track.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:13

    obviously. Q3 was delayed by what, 10-15 minutes? Weights are delayed by an hour :D

    It's like SidepodTime ;)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:14

    It's like SidepodTime ;)

    just for that, I am not buying the FIA anything at the craft fair.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:14

    you mean because of the dirty air in front of the RBR cars?

    Although the air from Vettel's car won't be so since it's not Kate's sister ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:14

    I guessed that there may be contact with the barrier from that image. :D

    :D

    Just a guess but I assumed the tyre marks were made before impact ;)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:15

    We are Brazilians and sometimes we have a family, sometimes we don't, and when we wake up all we want to see is someone we know. I wanted to be there in case there was not anybody from the family there.

    Rubens is the sweetest man ever :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:15

    Rubens is the sweetest man ever :D

    aawwwww.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:16

    We are Brazilians and sometimes we have a family, sometimes we don't, and when we wake up all we want to see is someone we know. I wanted to be there in case there was not anybody from the family there.

    Rubens is the sweetest man ever :D

    That's such a nice thing to do

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:16

    We are Brazilians and sometimes we have a family, sometimes we don't, and when we wake up all we want to see is someone we know. I wanted to be there in case there was not anybody from the family there.

    Rubens is the sweetest man ever :D

    aww Rubens is amazing :)

  • Lukeh25/07/2009 at 17:17

    We are Brazilians and sometimes we have a family, sometimes we don't, and when we wake up all we want to see is someone we know. I wanted to be there in case there was not anybody from the family there.

    Rubens is the sweetest man ever :D

    How can anyone dislike this man?

    Absolute legend.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:18

    We are Brazilians and sometimes we have a family, sometimes we don't, and when we wake up all we want to see is someone we know. I wanted to be there in case there was not anybody from the family there.

    Rubens is the sweetest man ever :D

    Rubens Q&A is on autosport just in case anyone hadn't realised this is where that quote is from :)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:18

    Absolute legend.

    I don't know if I agree with him on

    Q. A week after the Henry Surtees incident at Brands Hatch, we've had another driver hit on the head here. Is it pure coincidence?

    RB: No. I honestly don't believe in coincidence in life. Things happen for a reason and I think this is the second message.

    But I do believe in coincidence.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:20

    Lou, keep watching the Spa live feed, you might hear an e-mail from me get read out ;)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:21

    Lou, keep watching the Spa live feed, you might hear an e-mail from me get read out ;)

    i'm not listening to it sadly as my bandwidth doesn't seem to want to cope... am watching live timings though :)

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:21

    i'm not listening to it sadly as my bandwidth doesn't seem to want to cope... am watching live timings though :)

    Ah, bad times.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:21

    I think it is the undulations in the surface - would need higher resolution image though to say positively.

    Other tyre marks in that image are constant lines not broken.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:21

    But I do believe in coincidence.

    i think it was coincidence, it's open wheel racing... what else can be done except reinforcing the helmets?..

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:22

    OK, anyone who happens to be watching the live feed LOL

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:22

    Blimey, that has taken long

    Specuation now about Ruben's and a retirement decision

    Sheesh!

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:22

    Ah, bad times.

    sorry :(

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:22

    weights are finally out on the FIA site or try the main page which will have the link in a few moments.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:22

    http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/hun09_weights.pdf :P

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:22

    Blimey, that has taken long

    oh.. well i suppose once someone exhausts one subject they move onto the next...

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:22
  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:22
  • me25/07/2009 at 17:23

    ohnoes, keep these men apart:

    http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/1313784

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:23
  • me25/07/2009 at 17:23

    snap ;)

    ooh.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:23

    weights are finally out on the FIA site or try the main page which will have the link in a few moments.

    Scott wins by 7 seconds.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:23

    weights are finally out on the FIA site or try the main page which will have the link in a few moments.

    I win on twitter, even with pressing 'enter' instead of hitting 'post'. oops.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:23

    Crikey, Fernando was literally running on fumes!

  • RG25/07/2009 at 17:23

    weights are finally out on the FIA site or try the main page which will have the link in a few moments.

    Well, Timo won't be using his super big tank tomorrow then

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:23

    Scott wins by 7 seconds.

    it wasnt there when i hit post! boo!

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:24

    I win on twitter, even with pressing 'enter' instead of hitting 'post'. oops.

    have retweeted (twice in my excitement).

  • Lukeh25/07/2009 at 17:24

    Scott has you got this months F1 Racing?

    Kubica answers a question talking about his experiences with games like Rfactor, richard burns rally, etc... thought it might interest you.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:24

    Scott has you got this months F1 Racing?

    me or the other Scott? no for me.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:24

    it wasnt there when i hit post! boo!

    this is mighty close stuff, i gotta admit. 2-1-1 to Scott.

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:24

    Scott wins by 7 seconds.

    wow. am impressed by both.

    i saw amy's first because of the very long link.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:24
  • Lukeh25/07/2009 at 17:24

    me or the other Scott? no for me.

    Oops, Scott Woodwiss I should've said.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:25

    not really important but looks like we've found the reason Rubens doesn't use the Brawn colours on his helmet

    Visibility is already getting a bit difficult and because for the show itself, if I use the helmet that I am supposed to use, not even the mechanics know if it is me or Jenson because we are very low in the car. But from the protection side it is quite good. although can't the team see the camera bar is a different colour and the number on the car?...

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:25

    i saw amy's first because of the very long link.

    i say scott's first because he had the time to format it in his comment, and not just paste the link. :D

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:26

    i saw amy's first because of the very long link.

    scott went to the effort to link it properly whereas my brain goes AHH SOMETHING IS LOADING! PANIC! HIT POST ON TWITTER! CTRL+V ON SPC!

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:26

    Kubica answers a question talking about his experiences with games like Rfactor, richard burns rally, etc... thought it might interest you.

    Ooh interesting, I'll have to pick it up one morning next week before work. Cheers :P

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:26

    scott went to the effort to link it properly whereas my brain goes AHH SOMETHING IS LOADING! PANIC! HIT POST ON TWITTER! CTRL+V ON SPC!

    :D

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:26

    scott went to the effort to link it properly whereas my brain goes AHH SOMETHING IS LOADING! PANIC! HIT POST ON TWITTER! CTRL+V ON SPC!

    :D

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:27

    scott went to the effort to link it properly whereas my brain goes AHH SOMETHING IS LOADING! PANIC! HIT POST ON TWITTER! CTRL+V ON SPC!

    hehe :)

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:27

    although can't the team see the camera bar is a different colour and the number on the car?...

    Most people's instinct is to look at the helmet first, I guess. Although the camera bar is a more definite source, I'd agree.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:27

    scott went to the effort to link it properly whereas my brain goes AHH SOMETHING IS LOADING! PANIC! HIT POST ON TWITTER! CTRL+V ON SPC!

    i was just going to write "weights". but figured i'd post a decent message for anyone coming along.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:28

    looks like the drivers all want to improve safety... and by drivers i mean brawn drivers

    JB on twitter

    "My thoughts go out to Felipe after his horrific accident today.. This shows there is still more we need to do on safety."

    http://twitter.com/The_Real_JB/statuses/2839911809

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:28

    I am pleased to see Heikki is heavier than Lewis. I was concerned Lewis would be heavier and faster which would make me :( :(

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:28

    i was just going to write "weights". but figured i'd post a decent message for anyone coming along.

    I do that on twitter, but its preloaded and ready for me to hit the button. Note to self: enter doesn't make it post.

  • RG25/07/2009 at 17:29

    Good news from Noble

    "Felipe Massa has undergone successful surgery at the AEK hospital and will remain under observation in intensive care. More news tomorrow"

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 17:29

    "My thoughts go out to Felipe after his horrific accident today.. This shows there is still more we need to do on safety."

    NO!!! It dosent!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:29

    Noble's tweet:

    Felipe Massa has undergone successful surgery at the AEK hospital and will remain under observation in intensive care. More news tomorrow

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:29

    Noble on Massa

    "Felipe Massa has undergone successful surgery at the AEK hospital and will remain under observation in intensive care. More news tomorrow"

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:29

    I do that on twitter, but its preloaded and ready for me to hit the button. Note to self: enter doesn't make it post.

    it does in tweetdeck. what are you using

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:29

    Noble on Massa

    "Felipe Massa has undergone successful surgery at the AEK hospital and will remain under observation in intensive care. More news tomorrow"

    Tenths of a second apart?

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:29

    RG ahead of BC and Lou. ;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:30

    it does in tweetdeck. what are you using

    [question mark]

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:30

    it does in tweetdeck. what are you using

    I always just use the main twitter site for the weights. Sometimes when my network is wonky my clients dont post, and there can be no delays with such important data!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:30

    RG ahead of BC and Lou. ;)

    We're all too competitive aren't we :)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:30

    I do that on twitter, but its preloaded and ready for me to hit the button. Note to self: enter doesn't make it post.

    hehe :) i thought about getting the script to do my post for me, but all it does not is go "beep" when the page has something there.

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:30

    RG ahead of BC and Lou. ;)

    :)

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:30

    Tenths of a second apart?

    You and Lou posted at THE SAME TIME. RG was ahead by 7 seconds - just like Scott...

  • RG25/07/2009 at 17:31

    We're all too competitive aren't we :)

    Course not...

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:31

    I always just use the main twitter site for the weights. Sometimes when my network is wonky my clients dont post, and there can be no delays with such important data!

    understood. and yay for not rebooting.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 17:31

    Has lou tried tweeting Jenson? He does seem to reply to people. :P

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:31

    You and Lou posted at THE SAME TIME. RG was ahead by 7 seconds - just like Scott...

    we need more accurate comment times.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:31

    understood. and yay for not rebooting.

    indeed - now, it's 3:30 AM over there, Amy. don't you need to be up at 8? ;)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:31

    understood. and yay for not rebooting.

    i'd still be waiting for it to load. I curse myself for leaving my system recovery discs in NZ, I really need to give this thing a nice deep clean and start all over again.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:32

    we need more accurate comment times.

    aren't the ones here accurate?

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:32

    indeed - now, it's 3:30 AM over there, Amy. don't you need to be up at 8? ;)

    amy, you're feeling very sleepy.

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:32

    aren't the ones here accurate?

    as in, to the milisecond.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:32

    amy, you're feeling very sleepy.

    all you need is a clock you can swing from side to side. ;)

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:33

    as in, to the milisecond.

    put it on the list? ;)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:33

    indeed - now, it's 3:30 AM over there, Amy. don't you need to be up at 8? ;)

    all nighter? I still need to vacuum and have a shower!

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 17:33

    Has lou tried tweeting Jenson? He does seem to reply to people. :P

    I tweeted to Jenson to use Twitpic for pics and sure enough he did!

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 17:34

    as in, to the milisecond.

    How about you put a clock at hte top that stops when you click post comment, then we can all compare times when we've posted ;)

    oooh wait, wasnt that ;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:34

    put it on the list? ;)

    i think so :)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:34

    i'd still be waiting for it to load. I curse myself for leaving my system recovery discs in NZ, I really need to give this thing a nice deep clean and start all over again.

    Get a...

    [Mustn't start that one again]

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:34

    [Mustn't start that one again]

    if only because macs suffer the same slow down problem. both of ours need a reinstall.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:34

    not sure if this is completely correct. but i have a new script to sort out the grid.

    1 7 Fernando Alonso Renault 637.5

    2 15 Sebastian Vettel RBR Renault 655.0

    3 14 Mark Webber RBR Renault 652.0

    4 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 650.5

    5 16 Nico Rosberg Williams Toyota 654.0

    6 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren Mercedes 655.5

    7 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 651.5

    8 22 Jenson Button Brawn Mercedes 664.5

    9 17 Kazuki Nakajima Williams Toyota 658.0

    11 12 Sébastien Buemi STR Ferrari *671.5

    12 9 Jarno Trulli Toyota *671.3

    13 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn Mercedes *689.0

    14 10 Timo Glock Toyota *679.2

    15 8 Nelsinho Piquet Renault *667.7

    16 6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber *658.0

    17 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India Mercedes *680.5

    18 20 Adrian Sutil Force India Mercedes *683.5

    19 5 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber *666.0

    20 11 Jamie Alguersuari STR Ferrari *675.5

    ----

    Lightest: 16 Nick Heidfeld *658.0

    Heaviest: 8 Jenson Button 664.5

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:35

    RG ahead of BC and Lou. ;)

    so close!! lol

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:35

    all nighter? I still need to vacuum and have a shower!

    Isn't it a little late for hoovering?

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:35

    not sure if this is completely correct. but i have a new script to sort out the grid.

    good man.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:35

    [Mustn't start that one again]

    don't you know that vaio is the mac of the pc world? apparently. If they mean 'expensive' they are right.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:35

    Isn't it a little late for hoovering?

    I do my best work at night.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:35

    We're all too competitive aren't we :)

    i blame steven, he promised me we could have a games night ages ago and we still haven't had one :P

  • RG25/07/2009 at 17:35

    Lightest: 16 Nick Heidfeld *658.0

    I think Anando was slightly bit lighter than that, just a bit.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:35

    if only because macs suffer the same slow down problem. both of ours need a reinstall.

    I'm getting that way too

    Will probably wait for SL in September though

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:36

    good man.

    my script got confused looking for massa though. need to rewrite.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:36

    not sure if this is completely correct. but i have a new script to sort out the grid.

    Lightest: 16 Nick Heidfeld *658.0

    Check out who is in pole... ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:36

    I do my best work at night.

    :D

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:36

    Check out who is in pole... ;)

    told you it wasn't right ;) maybe the rest is rubbish.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:36

    Has lou tried tweeting Jenson? He does seem to reply to people. :P

    have tweeted Rubens, Jenson and Jessica many times... no reply :(

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:37

    my script got confused looking for massa though. need to rewrite.

    your script thinks bourdais is still there, i'd say it's more than confused, it's IN THE PAST.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:37

    all nighter? I still need to vacuum and have a shower!

    ah but even a little sleep is good... you don't want to fall asleep during the race...

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:37

    your script thinks bourdais is still there, i'd say it's more than confused, it's IN THE PAST.

    hehehehe.

    i'll edit that :)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:37

    your script thinks bourdais is still there, i'd say it's more than confused, it's IN THE PAST.

    hehe. stupid team change. forgot about that.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:38

    ah but even a little sleep is good... you don't want to fall asleep during the race...

    yes I shall have a little. I'll go at 4am :D

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:38

    have tweeted Rubens, Jenson and Jessica many times... no reply :(

    are you learning Japanese so you can read Jessica's as well as Portuguese to read Rubens? F1 twitter is making you multilingual ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:39

    yes I shall have a little. I'll go at 4am :D

    And then dream of craft fairs instead ;)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:39

    are you learning Japanese so you can read Jessica's as well as Portuguese to read Rubens? F1 twitter is making you multilingual ;)

    Portuguese is easier to learn than Japanese :( japanese is hard... she tweets in english sometimes....

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 17:40

    Vettel on Fuel-adjusted Pole

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:40

    I think Anando was slightly bit lighter than that, just a bit.

    :D Got confused by the *?

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:42

    Vettel on Fuel-adjusted Pole

    cheers jackie.

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 17:42

    http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1191&p=10066#p10066

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:43

    :D Got confused by the *?

    yeah. i remove the star later in the script to convert the time, but not at that stage. next time it'll rock your world. *

    * = may contain errors.

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:43

    Vettel on Fuel-adjusted Pole

    cheers jackie.

    what does this actually mean?

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:44

    Right - time for more movies and a takeaway.

    May be around tomorrow. Might even get the urge to watch the Silverstone Classic that I've recorded off sky today.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:44

    what does this actually mean?

    He was the fastest when fuel weights are taken into account

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:44

    He was the fastest when fuel weights are taken into account

    okay.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:44

    Right - time for more movies and a takeaway.

    See ya Flibster, what you watching today?

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:45

    http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1191&p=10066#p10066

    the williams preview suggested more like 2,4 kg per lap of fuel. this site (i have something similar for next time planned) only says 2.1. anyone know where they got their number.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:46

    See ya Flibster, what you watching today?

    Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks II.

    Possibly Zack and Miri Make a Porno if there's time.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:46

    According to James Allen the team says the signs are good for Massa and that he looks to be alright.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:46

    Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks II.

    3 great films

    Not seen Zac & Miri yet

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:47

    According to James Allen the team says the signs are good for Massa and that he looks to be alright.

    thank goodness. hope he makes a full recovery.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:47

    Not seen Zac & Miri yet

    Very good film. Bit cringeworthy in places, but Mewes is very good in it.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:48

    Very good film. Bit cringeworthy in places, but Mewes is very good in it.

    Shall check it out

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 17:48

    the williams preview suggested more like 2,4 kg per lap of fuel. this site (i have something similar for next time planned) only says 2.1. anyone know where they got their number.

    The figures I used came from the F1 yearbook. Gavin had a post on this on his blog about why there are differences. The estimate from the yearbook is based on data from the 2008 season

  • me25/07/2009 at 17:49
  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:49

    The figures I used came from the F1 yearbook. Gavin had a post on this on his blog about why there are differences. The estimate from the yearbook is based on data from the 2008 season

    I guess I should read more blogs, but I don't want to be doing everything the same as people. I have no plans for a blog, just a script to work out the grid to post here.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:49

    Shall check it out

    Worth a rental certainly. I have deliberately missed out Jersey Girl at the moment. Will get round to watching that again though.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 17:50

    According to James Allen the team says the signs are good for Massa and that he looks to be alright.

    I am happier with this news- when RG put the tweet about operation I decided to take the dog for a walk - I was sort of upset.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:51

    Some tweets from JB

    "Quali didn't quite go to plan but sometimes things happen for a reason. I'm down in 8th but with more laps of fuel than the guys up front."

    "It could play into my hands if the Mclarens r able to jump the bulls..."

    "So be ready for an action packed GP tomoz!"

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:55

    Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks II.

    Possibly Zack and Miri Make a Porno if there's time.

    epic Kevin Smith night! I approve :) Needs some Mallrats though ;)

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:57

    epic Kevin Smith night! I approve :) Needs some Mallrats though ;)

    Watched Clerks *workprint edition* a few days ago

    Followed that up with Mallrats *extended* and Chasing Amy yesterday.

    Kevin Smith is doing a Q&A Session in London in October too. :D Will be the 4th I've been to.

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:58

    Followed that up with Mallrats *extended* and Chasing Amy yesterday.

    Who was chasing Amy? Heikki? ;)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:58

    see you all later. i need to eat and avoid the computer. well this one ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:58

    Kevin Smith is doing a Q&A Session in London in October too. :D Will be the 4th I've been to.

    Ooh, details?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:58

    Who was chasing Amy? Heikki? ;)

    She wishes :)

  • Scott in Italy25/07/2009 at 17:58

    Who was chasing Amy? Heikki? ;)

    she wishes. night all ;)

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 17:58

    Watched Clerks *workprint edition* a few days ago

    Followed that up with Mallrats *extended* and Chasing Amy yesterday.

    this excites me

    Kevin Smith is doing a Q&A Session in London in October too. :D Will be the 4th I've been to.

    His original Jersey trilogy are still my favourites, the ones since then I have enjoyed less and less each time. Still a big fan though :) I own 3 different editions of Clerks :D

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 17:59

    Kevin Smith is doing a Q&A Session in London in October too. :D Will be the 4th I've been to.

    I know I'm going to regret asking but who he?

  • Journeyer25/07/2009 at 17:59

    she wishes. night all ;)

    Bassano beat ya by 2 seconds. Night, Scott.

    And on that bombshell, I'm off to bed too. Night, all. :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 17:59

    I know I'm going to regret asking but who he?

    He directed the films Flibster mentioned

  • lou25/07/2009 at 17:59

    I know I'm going to regret asking but who he?

    was just about to ask the same question...

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 17:59

    Ooh, details?

    October 10th - IndegO2 at the wonderbra..

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:00

    By to those off now

  • lou25/07/2009 at 18:00

    He directed the films Flibster mentioned

    cool :)

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 18:00

    He directed the films Flibster mentioned

    Wrote, directed, edited and in a couple of cases, starred in as well.

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 18:01

    He directed the films Flibster mentioned

    Oh right .. I was thinking it was an F1 bod I didn't know I didn't know about

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 18:01

    "@rubarrichello hey when you see felipe wish him our best please!!!"

    An interesting tweet from Montoya

    http://twitter.com/jpmontoya

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 18:01

    October 10th - IndegO2 at the wonderbra..

    I wish he would come down here, I'd love to go to one. I really enjoyed all of the 'evening with...' DVDs.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:02

    Wrote, directed, edited and in a couple of cases, starred in as well.

    And cameo'd in Die Hard 4(.less)

    [Mark Kermode joke]

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:02

    "@rubarrichello hey when you see felipe wish him our best please!!!"

    An interesting tweet from Montoya

    http://twitter.com/jpmontoya

    S. American buddies?

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 18:03

    And cameo'd in Die Hard 4(.less)

    [Mark Kermode joke]

    The good Doctor K. Who was very wrong about Catch and Release, Clerks II and Zack and Miri.

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 18:03

    Wrote, directed, edited and in a couple of cases, starred in as well.

    I have these on my desk at work and everyone in my office wants to steal them.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:04

    October 10th - IndegO2 at the wonderbra..

    Hmm, not on O2 Indigo page

    There is a gap though for Oct 10th

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:05

    I have these on my desk at work and everyone in my office wants to steal them.

    NICE!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:05

    The good Doctor K. Who was very wrong about Catch and Release, Clerks II and Zack and Miri.

    Yeah, don't always agree with him but it's a good show

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 18:05

    "@rubarrichello hey when you see felipe wish him our best please!!!"

    An interesting tweet from Montoya

    http://twitter.com/jpmontoya

    I have just noticed how much Montoya likes !!!!s and ?????s. A good page for Mr C.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:06

    Why didn't they edit out the athletics news in the R5L Hungary Preview podcast? :)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:06

    I have just noticed how much Montoya likes !!!!s and ?????s. A good page for Mr C.

    Over punctuation is just painful

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 18:07

    I have these on my desk at work and everyone in my office wants to steal them.

    At least I'm not the only one with the set then. :D

    My favourite are the Missy, Sissy, Chrissy and Justice ones I have. ;)

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 18:07

    October 10th - IndegO2 at the wonderbra..

    Hmm, not on O2 Indigo page

    There is a gap though for Oct 10th

    Kev conofirmed the date and location via twitter. Not sure when the tickets go on sale though.

  • me25/07/2009 at 18:07

    I have just noticed how much Montoya likes !!!!s and ?????s. A good page for Mr C.

    haha. cheers.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:08

    Kev conofirmed the date and location via twitter. Not sure when the tickets go on sale though.

    Ta

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 18:08

    Over punctuation is just painful

    I have concluded that JP Montoya is Chris_Humphreys and thats why he hasn't been here for a while.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 18:08

    w00t! Lee Evans is doing a new stand-up tour in 2011 :D

  • me25/07/2009 at 18:09

    w00t! Lee Evans is doing a new stand-up tour in 2011 :D

    twenty eleven?

  • me25/07/2009 at 18:09
  • lou25/07/2009 at 18:09

    w00t! Lee Evans is doing a new stand-up tour in 2011 :D

    2 years away??

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 18:09

    At least I'm not the only one with the set then. :D

    The best Christmas present I got in 2003 :D Silent Bob doesn't stand up anymore though unless I blu-tack his feet to the table.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:09

    w00t! Lee Evans is doing a new stand-up tour in 2011 :D

    twenty eleven?

    Waiting for advancements in anti-perspirant suits?

  • me25/07/2009 at 18:10

    Waiting for advancements in anti-perspirant suits?

    :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:10

    for bassano.

    :heart:

  • me25/07/2009 at 18:11

    :heart:

    background pics are huuuge.

  • Flibster25/07/2009 at 18:11

    The best Christmas present I got in 2003 :D Silent Bob doesn't stand up anymore though unless I blu-tack his feet to the table.

    Such a good present. I buy all my own presents so I know I'm actually getting what I want. I've got the entire inaction figure collection I think. I keep looking at his Auctions Askew and thinking "that'd look cool on my wall...."

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 18:11

    Waiting for advancements in anti-perspirant suits?

    :D

    His tours are usually 3 years apart I've found. An example is his last 3:

    Wired and Wonderful tour - 2002

    XL Tour - 2005

    BIG Tour - 2008

    I've signed up for e-mail alerts so the second they go on sale, I'll be in there to get them! Mind you, I'm gonna have to wait until the end of next year to do so...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:12

    background pics are huuuge.

    Wow, they are!

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 18:12

    Such a good present. I buy all my own presents so I know I'm actually getting what I want. I've got the entire inaction figure collection I think. I keep looking at his Auctions Askew and thinking "that'd look cool on my wall...."

    It was kind of an awkward present because they were from my ex boyfriend who had bought them months and months previously but still wanted to give them to me. I got him nothing. :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:13

    Is Gene still Ferrari's reserve driver?

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 18:14

    Is Gene still Ferrari's reserve driver?

    yup

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:15

    Is Gene still Ferrari's reserve driver?

    yup

    And Badoer it seems

  • lou25/07/2009 at 18:15

    Is Gene still Ferrari's reserve driver?

    yep he was at goodwood... :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:18

    Crazy vid: http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/4x4-backflip-wmv

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 18:25

    Oh yes I was meant to go to bed at 4. Oops. Night (morning?) all :)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:25

    See ya Amy

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 18:26

    See ya Amy

    see ya amy

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 18:49

    Has the press conference been uploaded yet?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 18:50

    Has the press conference been uploaded yet?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8168858.stm

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 19:01

    How about to drop.io or anywhere else for non-UKers?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:04

    How about to drop.io or anywhere else for non-UKers?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAIKUjRn3jE

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 19:05

    I've done the [url=http://formula1home.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=802]fuel weights, stints and times calculations[/url] on my blog. Unfortuantely the "use of actual pit stops" calculation method is still pending (this is where having a desktop rather than a PDA to do the typing with would have helped!)

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:05

    made a very minor update to doohickey if you refresh.

    changes listed here. please yell if you spot anything odd.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 19:07

    changes listed here. please yell if you spot anything odd.

    You do know it's still Saturday, don't you? I know it's been a long day but...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:07

    You do know it's still Saturday, don't you? I know it's been a long day but...

    :D

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:11

    You do know it's still Saturday, don't you? I know it's been a long day but...

    ahh. i made lclt changes. slept and then made these. hmm. i'll change the wiki :)

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 19:13

    AP is a trusted news agency, right? because I just read this, and it's worrying to say the least, but it's not being reported anywhere else http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD99LLA500

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:13

    AP is a trusted news agency, right? because I just read this, and it's worrying to say the least, but it's not being reported anywhere else http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD99LLA500

    ap is is trusted yep.

    damn.

  • Lukeh25/07/2009 at 19:14

    AP is a trusted news agency, right? because I just read this, and it's worrying to say the least, but it's not being reported anywhere else http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD99LLA500

    Has been mentioned on television too...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:14

    AP is a trusted news agency, right? because I just read this, and it's worrying to say the least, but it's not being reported anywhere else http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD99LLA500

    Fake Mansell tweeted that a few minutes back, couldn't find anywhere else to corroborate it so I left it

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:14

    AP is a trusted news agency, right? because I just read this, and it's worrying to say the least, but it's not being reported anywhere else http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD99LLA500

    oh my god. i feel ill..

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:15

    ap is is trusted yep.

    Please no. Not twice :(

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:15

    ap is is trusted yep.

    I suppose it would be wrong not to classify a fractured skull as life-threatening. The 1st 24hrs after surgery are always critical

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:16

    Fake Mansell tweeted that a few minutes back, couldn't find anywhere else to corroborate it so I left it

    ap wire are on par with reuters.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:16

    I suppose it would be wrong not to classify a fractured skull as life-threatening. The 1st 24hrs after surgery are always critical

    we'll just have to cross our fingers and hope :(

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:19

    I suppose it would be wrong not to classify a fractured skull as life-threatening. The 1st 24hrs after surgery are always critical

    agreed.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:20

    I would post the story that Villeneuve's crashed out of the Spa 24 Hours for us all to laugh at, but after reading that I feel it would be quite inappropriate.

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 19:21

    I suppose it would be wrong not to classify a fractured skull as life-threatening. The 1st 24hrs after surgery are always critical

    I really, really hope this is just a doctor calling it 'life-threatening' because that is protocol, but it seems a little extreme - 'critical' would be normal the medical term. Maybe they are the same word in Hungarian.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:21

    From James Allen

    ignore reports on Sky/AP that Massa is in life threatening condition. He's stable after an op and will be okay. Long recuperation though

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:22

    From James Allen

    ignore reports on Sky/AP that Massa is in life threatening condition. He's stable after an op and will be okay. Long recuperation though

    cheers. james vs. AP interesting. i don't trust sky as far as i can throw them, so let's go with james.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:22

    From James Allen

    ignore reports on Sky/AP that Massa is in life threatening condition. He's stable after an op and will be okay. Long recuperation though

    Thank goodness. Stupid media over-hyping the story.

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:23

    I really, really hope this is just a doctor calling it 'life-threatening' because that is protocol, but it seems a little extreme - 'critical' would be normal the medical term. Maybe they are the same word in Hungarian.

    fair point.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 19:23

    Thank goodness. Stupid media over-hyping the story.

    Does James Allen not count as media anymore then?

  • Alex Andronov25/07/2009 at 19:24

    Have drop.ioed vid

  • RG25/07/2009 at 19:24

    cheers. james vs. AP interesting. i don't trust sky as far as i can throw them, so let's go with james.

    Yeah, but its on BBC as well.

    Trying to think posite, Seve Ballesteros, he was announced life threating, but he is ok now.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:24

    Does James Allen not count as media anymore then?

    James Allen is an entity all by himself ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:24

    So who would be Ferrari's first choice to sub for Massa while he recovers? I'm guessing Gene?

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 19:25

    James Allen is an entity all by himself ;)

    Of course, silly me :)

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:25

    James Allen is an entity all by himself ;)

    Yeah. There's the media and then there's James Allen... ;) :P

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:25

    Have drop.ioed vid

    Hi Giggles, what's happening over at the NFT?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:25

    So who would be Ferrari's first choice to sub for Massa while he recovers? I'm guessing Gene?

    Who has seniority, him or Badoer?

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:26

    Who has seniority, him or Badoer?

    Alright, rephrase the question - who would you pick, Gene or Badoer? I'd go Gene.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:28

    Alright, rephrase the question - who would you pick, Gene or Badoer? I'd go Gene.

    It's been too long since I've seen either of them drive. No idea

    Last time they subbed a driver it was Salo for Schuey wasn't it back in '99?

  • Kathi25/07/2009 at 19:28

    Alright, rephrase the question - who would you pick, Gene or Badoer?

    Badoer

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:28

    Yeah, but its on BBC as well.

    So I hear but I can't find it there.

    Though that's not surprising

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:29

    It's been too long since I've seen either of them drive. No idea

    I only pick Gene because he'd kept his hand in in other series, like Le Mans and sportscars. I haven't seen Badoer race in ages.

  • RG25/07/2009 at 19:29

    So I hear but I can't find it there.

    As in BBC News on tv.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:30

    As in BBC News on tv.

    Ah, cheers

    A better headline possibly

    [hope so at least]

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:30

    Have drop.ioed vid

    yay! you're in my favourite part of london... there is an amazing water installation really near there... hehe so much fun :)

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 19:31

    Alright, rephrase the question - who would you pick, Gene or Badoer?

    Could be Neither! MS is till on the pay role!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:32

    Could be Neither! MS is till on the pay role!

    Oh please, no

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:32

    Could be Neither! MS is till on the pay role!

    Does he have a valid super licence?

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:33

    Does he have a valid super licence?

    Does he even still have one?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:33

    Does he have a valid super licence?

    Does he even still have one?

    That's what I meant

    He probably has an expired one ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:35

    He probably has an expired one ;)

    He probably thinks "As long as I still look like my picture, they might still let me in"

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:37

    He probably thinks "As long as I still look like my picture, they might still let me in"

    I can't see it happening.

    We'll soon know if the reserve driver status changes in the next 3 week or so

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 19:37

    He probably thinks "As long as I still look like my picture, they might still let me in"

    It's probably little more than a formality if he did want to drive again.

    I'm not a religious person but please remember Massa in your thoughts tonight

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:37

    I'm not a religious person but please remember Massa in your thoughts tonight

    Seconded

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:38

    Seconded

    Thirded :(

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:38
  • Rich25/07/2009 at 19:38

    I did say MS in jest - no I do not think they will use his services even if he has a super-license. If Felipe is not in a position to drive in the next race it will depend on other commitments but probably Marc Gene as Luca Badoer has not raced an F1 this century.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:40

    Giggles deserves a "pluger of the year award" come December

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:40

    *plugger

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 19:41

    *plugger

    haha :D

  • Andy Taylor25/07/2009 at 19:42

    Evening. Annoyed that I can't now watch qualifying on iplayer as I know the result already

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:43

    Evening. Annoyed that I can't now watch qualifying on iplayer as I know the result already

    if you watched it you wouldn't know the result! you\re better off knowing this one and the watching.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:43

    Hi. James Allen is very untrustworthy, he's probably using a source we've already heard. He's not got strong contacts at Ferrari...or he'd be at the BBC

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:43

    if you watched it you wouldn't know the result! you\re better off knowing this one and the watching.

    Seriously, it was so confusing even the drivers didn't know!

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:44

    :( ggrr i can't find a stream for the Spa24hr race and this is when i actually want to watch it! When Ant is in the car! grr. He is currently in 9th.

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:44

    Hi. James Allen is very untrustworthy, he's probably using a source we've already heard. He's not got strong contacts at Ferrari...or he'd be at the BBC

    he does have strong contacts at ferrari. he commentates of italian f1 coverage sometimes.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:44

    Hi. James Allen is very untrustworthy, he's probably using a source we've already heard. He's not got strong contacts at Ferrari...or he'd be at the BBC

    Doesn't he know that guy at Ferrari that told him the Alonso rumours were true or something?

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:45

    :( ggrr i can't find a stream for the Spa24hr race and this is when i actually want to watch it! When Ant is in the car! grr. He is currently in 9th.

    FIA GT site?

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:45

    I'm very worried about the 'stop these accidents' bandwagon though

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:45

    Without putting a cockpit on the car, how can you! Things will fall off, and drivers can only have crash helmets to protect them till they invent force fields

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:45

    FIA GT site?

    they are next streaming video at 8am tomorrow... no idea why they aren't streaming it for 24hours...

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:46

    I'm very worried about the 'stop these accidents' bandwagon though

    agreed. and stand up mr. button.

    i guess drivers are just saying what they think people wanna hear?

  • Andy Taylor25/07/2009 at 19:46

    Hi. James Allen is very untrustworthy, he's probably using a source we've already heard. He's not got strong contacts at Ferrari...or he'd be at the BBC

    For all our knocking of JA I cannot imagine for one second that he would be irresponsible enough to tell everyone Massa is OK if this were not the case.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:47

    i guess drivers are just saying what they think people wanna hear?

    Why wouldn't drivers be serious about safety? I know I wouldn't.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:48

    For all our knocking of JA I cannot imagine for one second that he would be irresponsible enough to tell everyone Massa is OK if this were not the case.

    I don't doubt his intent, just his information. I obviously hope the best for Massa, but so many sources are saying so many things, and Ferrari aren't saying anything until tomorrow.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 19:48

    It's interesting that Ferrari are the only team who haven't released Saturday quotes, for obvious reasons I'm sure.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:48

    agreed. and stand up mr. button.

    hm? what did he... oh... to be fair Rubens said it was discussed alot in the GPDA meeting yesterday, so they obviously all have something to say on improving safety.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:48

    It's interesting that Ferrari are the only team who haven't released Saturday quotes, for obvious reasons I'm sure.

    They're probably waiting for some concrete positive information to release

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:50

    They're probably waiting for some concrete positive information to release

    they won't release a normal presser i don't think. it wouldn't be very respectful.

    massa hit the tyre barrier and was flown to hospital while kimi suffered rear graining on his 2nd run.

    even under the todt regime that would be too much!

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:50

    hm? what did he... oh... to be fair Rubens said it was discussed alot in the GPDA meeting yesterday, so they obviously all have something to say on improving safety.

    Henry Surtee's accident was the kick off for that, but that was a wheel hitting the driver's head. The best solution for that is to try and stop the wheel's coming off (e.g. more work on those tethers, and get them in lower formulae). Without a windscreen, there's no other way.

    e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4xN0vfpUk

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:52

    Without a windscreen, there's no other way.

    you're probably right. it works at lemans though.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:52

    Not sure i totally understand Rubens' last tweet... well google translate isn't helping much anyways, but i think, probably because he isn't family, he wasn't allowed to go in to see Felipe.

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 19:53

    Rubens must feel bad since the part came from his car

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:53

    Not sure i totally understand Rubens' last tweet... well google translate isn't helping much anyways, but i think, probably because he isn't family, he wasn't allowed to go in to see Felipe.

    Not a great sign. Even Kanaan got in to see Zanardi. Unless Massa is fully conscious and said don't let that guy in! ;)

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:55

    Rubens must feel bad since the part came from his car

    Feel bad yes, but I doubt he'd feel responsible. There's nothing he could do to stop it unless they asked them to loosen the bolts on it before he went out.

  • me25/07/2009 at 19:55

    Rubens must feel bad since the part came from his car

    nothing to do with him though. it's no-ones fault.

    when you're doing 150kph+, s*** happens.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:55

    Not a great sign. Even Kanaan got in to see Zanardi. Unless Massa is fully conscious and said don't let that guy in! ;)

    He probably has a lot of family with him at the moment already

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:55

    nothing to do with him though. it's no-ones fault.

    when you're doing 150kph+, s*** happens.

    Indeed

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:56

    Not a great sign. Even Kanaan got in to see Zanardi. Unless Massa is fully conscious and said don't let that guy in! ;)

    it's standard for non family members not to be allowed to see someone in ITU. it's normally close family only. I'm guessing Mrs Massa and his brother might be a little upset and possibly don't want anyone else around if Massa is still recovering from his operation. Plus he is probably still sedated...

  • Andy Taylor25/07/2009 at 19:56

    Not a great sign. Even Kanaan got in to see Zanardi. Unless Massa is fully conscious and said don't let that guy in! ;)

    If he's in intensive care then the people allowed to see him will be severely limited.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:57

    F1.com saying "has escaped serious injury"

    Really?

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:58

    Rubens must feel bad since the part came from his car

    he looks unhappy here but i think that's more because he was worried for Felipe, not because he felt like it was his fault or anything.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:58

    F1.com saying "has escaped serious injury"

    Expect that's the initial reaction as he was flown away looking conscious.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:59

    Expect that's the initial reaction as he was flown away looking conscious.

    Could be

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 19:59

    To be honest, I don't think we're going to know too much more on this until the morning.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 19:59

    i'm going to have to learn Portuguese more quickly than this... Rubens last tweet doesn't make any sense to me.. or google ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 19:59

    Expect that's the initial reaction as he was flown away looking conscious.

    Could be

    Google deceptively stating it was posted 10 mins ago

    Clearly, this was not the case

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:00

    To be honest, I don't think we're going to know too much more on this until the morning.

    think you're right. wasn't expecting any updates this evening tbh.

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 20:02

    The real danger is swelling of the brain due to a haemorrhage .. see BBC health

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:02

    i'm going to have to learn Portuguese more quickly than this... Rubens last tweet doesn't make any sense to me.. or google ;)

    summer challenge?

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 20:02

    think you're right. wasn't expecting any updates this evening tbh.

    I think no news is good news in this case

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 20:03

    Hi. James Allen is very untrustworthy, he's probably using a source we've already heard. He's not got strong contacts at Ferrari...or he'd be at the BBC

    With head injuries there is always more risk than with other injuries. Provided there is adequate oxygen to the brain and internal bleeding and swelling is managed it will be a few hours before any real certainty about how life threatening the injuries really were. I do not want to be alarmist, we must just be patient and not promote rash comments (that he is either OK or its serious).

  • lou25/07/2009 at 20:03

    summer challenge?

    haha it may well be :P although i've never been strong with languages.. :)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 20:04

    ooo i can understand his last tweet!

    I just came back from the hospital.Felipe went trough a cirurgy which went very well.Now he is asleep waiting for a new scan tomorrow

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:04

    The chances are considering Ferrari's championship contention doesn't exist, even if we assume the best, he'll probably be rested for a few races to fully recover though.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:04

    The real danger is swelling of the brain due to a haemorrhage .. see BBC health

    Head injuries are complicated. No two are the same

  • lou25/07/2009 at 20:05

    ooo i can understand his last tweet!

    I just came back from the hospital.Felipe went trough a cirurgy which went very well.Now he is asleep waiting for a new scan tomorrow

    i've either picked up Portuguese really quickly or it's in english... :)

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:05

    Head injuries are complicated. No two are the same

    Some drivers come out of it not the same, others unaffected - some even faster! (Hakkinen, Japan 1995)

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:06

    i've either picked up Portuguese really quickly or it's in english... :)

    :D

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 20:06

    Not a great sign. Even Kanaan got in to see Zanardi. Unless Massa is fully conscious and said don't let that guy in! ;)

    I do believe the bit where they say he will not be woken until tomorrow. I do sense some seriousness as these life-threatening statements are rather more recent that the reports that surgery was positive (which can mean we did not lose him under the operation).

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:06

    Some drivers come out of it not the same, others unaffected - some even faster! (Hakkinen, Japan 1995)

    hehe!

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:08

    I'm curious if Massa does get a break for a few races, who Ferrari will run. Badoer & Gene are their official test drivers, but they're best F1 days are over 10 years behind us.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:08

    (they're > their - excuse me)

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 20:08

    Some drivers come out of it not the same, others unaffected - some even faster! (Hakkinen, Japan 1995)

    Australia actually.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:09

    Australia actually.

    You're right, I'm getting confused with when he had his appendics out. I recall Ron Dennis threatening to remove Blundell's to make him faster too.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 20:10

    You're right, I'm getting confused with when he had his appendics out. I recall Ron Dennis threatening to remove Blundell's to make him faster too.

    Really? Nowadays, he would have threatened him with liposuction.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:10

    Badoer & Gene are their official test drivers, but they're best F1 days are over 10 years behind us.

    Those two had best days?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:11

    Australia actually.

    That was some crash!

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 20:11

    That was some crash!

    His head movement wasn't a pretty site.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:12

    Those two had best days?

    Yeah, battling for 5th and 6th with each other in a Minardi if I recall. :p Badoer cried when the engine went bang.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:12

    Yeah, battling for 5th and 6th with each other in a Minardi if I recall. :p Badoer cried when the engine went bang.

    That's a Minardi each of course

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:12

    When's the Parade Lap tomorrow?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:13

    When's the Parade Lap tomorrow?

    11 ish?

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 20:13

    I'm curious if Massa does get a break for a few races, who Ferrari will run. Badoer & Gene are their official test drivers, but they're best F1 days are over 10 years behind us.

    It depends on how many races - Marc Gene is still a good racer so I suspect he will be drafted in. If it is more than a couple I suspect they will find somebody else that has more recent F1 experience or discuss the situation with other teams. Given the restrictions on testing it could even be beneficial for a team like Force India or BMW that have a strong reserve driver to be loaned to Ferrari.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 20:14

    11 ish?

    Indeed. 11:10 or thereabouts.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:14

    Given the restrictions on testing it could even be beneficial for a team like Force India or BMW that have a strong reserve driver to be loaned to Ferrari.

    Don't get RG's hopes up

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 20:15

    Indeed. 11:10 or thereabouts.

    sidepodtime :)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:16

    I really like this Qualifying Analysis graphic:

    http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/blog/index.php/328/hungary-qualifying-analysis/

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:17

    sidepodtime :)

    earlier, alex threw his notes away. and now he's gone into town.

    with the amount of material the man's likely to have left, it should start about 11:50.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:17

    Don't get RG's hopes up

    Doubt they'd run a GP2 driver - and if they did it'd be di Grassi. Grosjean and Hulkenburg need that title first.

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:17

    I really like this Qualifying Analysis graphic:

    http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/blog/index.php/328/hungary-qualifying-analysis/

    that is brilliant!

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:18

    Doubt they'd run a GP2 driver - and if they did it'd be di Grassi. Grosjean and Hulkenburg need that title first.

    Klien's in GP2?

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 20:18

    Don't get RG's hopes up

    It is also my hopes (they are good drivers that should have a seat) but there is logic and even some benefit to the team doing the loan as there is always a chance that you may need to use a replacement driver, better one with more recent experience. In the past BMW have been fairly reasonable and it is still a "sport" and everything I have seen and heard from Force India is the same.

  • Neil H25/07/2009 at 20:19

    Right, well, 11:10. Shall return then for all the fun and games, and hopefully be more Masseducated.

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:20

    Right, well, 11:10. Shall return then for all the fun and games, and hopefully be more Masseducated.

    cheers neil ;)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 20:36

    i tried to explain to dad everything that had happened today but gave up and decided Christine did a much better job that i could ever do, so decided to make him listen to f1minute instead :)

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 20:37

    i tried to explain to dad everything that had happened today but gave up and decided Christine did a much better job that i could ever do, so decided to make him listen to f1minute instead :)

    Aww, wow. Did it help?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:37

    Seems I missed the news about Geoff Willis' departure from RBR whilst I was away

  • lou25/07/2009 at 20:38

    Aww, wow. Did it help?

    very much so. although he did say 'wow how long have the bbc been doing this?'.. obviously i explained it wasn't the bbc and was something much better ;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:38

    Seems I missed the news about Geoff Willis' departure from RBR whilst I was away

    during the race weekend, yeah.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 20:39

    very much so. although he did say 'wow how long have the bbc been doing this?'.. obviously i explained it wasn't the bbc and was something much better ;)

    Hehehe. Praise indeed :)

  • lou25/07/2009 at 20:39

    news from James Allen

    Massa's doctor reporting to Brazilian media that brain scan is clear and signs are positive. Family is en route to Hungary now

    yay for positive news.

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 20:39

    James' site still down. Grr.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 20:40

    According to James Allen "Massa's doctor reporting to Brazilian media that brain scan is clear and signs are positive. Family is en route to Hungary now" this does sound a bit more hopeful and it explains more about Rubens concerns.

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 20:48

    that is brilliant!

    Mav is a bit of a star .. shh don't tell him I said so :D

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:49

    Mav is a bit of a star .. shh don't tell him I said so :D

    our little secret ;)

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 20:50

    News from Joe - http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/the-latest-on-massa/

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 20:51

    Mum's just picked up on the story on her laptop. She was saying to me that if someone is moving, like he was when he was wheeled out of the ambulance, and getting quite agitated after an knock to the head like that, it means they've suffered some kind of brain damage. But hearing that he's got the all clear on his scan is great news. She did also say that the first 48-72 hours of recovery are the most important.

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 20:51

    News from Joe

    both informative and reassuring. I heart Joe.

  • Andy Taylor25/07/2009 at 20:51

    James' site still down. Grr.

    was OK for me half an hour ago. Seems /.ed now though.

  • Andy Taylor25/07/2009 at 20:54

    both informative and reassuring. I heart Joe.

    Without actually saying anything concrete, which is fine because it's a balanced and well-considered article.

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 20:54

    both informative and reassuring. I heart Joe.

    Me too :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 20:55

    Mum's just picked up on the story on her laptop. She was saying to me that if someone is moving, like he was when he was wheeled out of the ambulance, and getting quite agitated after an knock to the head like that, it means they've suffered some kind of brain damage. But hearing that he's got the all clear on his scan is great news. She did also say that the first 48-72 hours of recovery are the most important.

    Not to put a downer on it but he needs to be lucid to make a proper assessment of his prognosis. Hopefully he's out of the dangerous territory by now. How long his recovery will take depends on how sever his head injury was.

    Best of luck Felipe Baby

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 20:56

    Best of luck Felipe Baby

    maybe we needs a get well Felipe baby song?

  • me25/07/2009 at 20:58

    News from Joe - http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/the-latest-on-massa/

    that's perfect. answers many questions. ta.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:00

    News from Joe - http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/the-latest-on-massa/

    that's perfect. answers many questions. ta.

    Just as I return from my evening out (which I didn't enjoy, was thinking of Felipe)

    Cheers :)

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:00

    Joe points out that Rubens said Massa seemed quite agitated that he had cut on his forehead. I'd be careful of that. As I said, agitation can be a sign of brain damage. And as Bassano said, we need a proper assessment of his situation.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:00

    maybe we needs a get well Felipe baby song?

    Or a welcome back song when he returns

    "Saved by the White Visor"

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:02

    Evening all

    Looks like I picked an incident filled quali to miss

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:03

    For Mr C I managed 665 mor comments today and the more bar did not re-appear after the last click.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:03

    Looks like I picked an incident filled quali to miss

    never go outside again!

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:03

    For Mr C I managed 665 mor comments today and the more bar did not re-appear after the last click.

    good stuff. implemented that fix, about an hour ago.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:04

    never go outside again!

    Outside was great. We had this big bright, hot thing in the sky which was very worrying but apparently it happens every now and again

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:05

    Outside was great. We had this big bright, hot thing in the sky which was very worrying but apparently it happens every now and again

    i saw it earlier. we had to go out for wine (me in shorts and sandals, christine in the heaviest jumper known to man).

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:05

    Joe points out that Rubens said Massa seemed quite agitated that he had cut on his forehead. I'd be careful of that. As I said, agitation can be a sign of brain damage. And as Bassano said, we need a proper assessment of his situation.

    i don't know about you... but if i'd been hit by a flying spring, crashed into tyre barriers at a high speed, then taken to a medical centre with a very painful head (am guessing that cut hurt), was in a neck brace/ board and was bleeding... i think i'd be a bit agitated too. we'll hear more in the morning but i think we should concentrate on the positive news that his brain scan was clear and that his op went well.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:05

    never go outside again!

    seconded.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:06

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:06

    seconded.

    Driving lessons count as outside.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:06

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

    Obviously, he ain't racing tomorrow.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:06

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

    What else do you need to know? He's being looked after in the best possible care.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:07

    Looks like I picked an incident filled quali to miss

    Me too

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:07

    Driving lessons count as outside.

    i meant you... not me...;)

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:07

    What else do you need to know? He's being looked after in the best possible care.

    hats off to the hungarian marshals.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:08

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

    tis all on autosport, or in the comments. but the main thing is his operation went well and we will know more in the morning.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:08

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

    Not much, if any

  • Andy Taylor25/07/2009 at 21:09

    What else do you need to know? He's being looked after in the best possible care.

    I was just saying to LPG, if you're going to have a head injury, then he best place to have one is at a GP race weekend. The prompt attention of the medical team who are experts in this sort of thing will have made all the difference.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:09

    tis all on autosport, or in the comments. but the main thing is his operation went well and we will know more in the morning.

    The odds are he is not serious or they would put him into a coma like they did with Wendlinger. They put him into a coma fo something like 6 weeks.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:10

    What else do you need to know? He's being looked after in the best possible care.

    Milatary hospital is not a bad place to be when trauma's involved.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:10

    It just seems incredible that this happens a week after Surtees.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:10

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

    What else do you need to know? He's being looked after in the best possible care.

    I've been out all evening and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:11

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

    Obviously, he ain't racing tomorrow.

    Rude.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 21:11

    Joe points out that Rubens said Massa seemed quite agitated that he had cut on his forehead. I'd be careful of that. As I said, agitation can be a sign of brain damage. And as Bassano said, we need a proper assessment of his situation.

    You are right about the agitation. From the moment I saw the accident I realised this was serious (the velocity with which the spring hit Felipe's helmet were huge). We have to be cautiously positive from the reports of the scans etc. The freak nature of the accident and the chances of it happening are so small but the consequences so large.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:11

    I've been out all evening and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

    what is all this going outside?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:11

    It just seems incredible that this happens a week after Surtees.

    It's no coincidence. I think we need to look at whether the idea of an open cockpit is a safe one in today's world.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:12

    I've been out all evening and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.

    what is all this going outside?

    Outlaws invited us out for dinner. I had a rotten time because I was worried about Felipe.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:12

    It's no coincidence.

    yes it is.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:12

    So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?

    There was some over-reaction/misquote from AP earlier. It's been clrified now

    James Allen is having issues with his site but has some good updates if you have his feed

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:13

    It's no coincidence.

    yes it is.

    Fine. Will you say that next time too?

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:13

    Fine. Will you say that next time too?

    yes. if the events are completely unrelated.

  • Jackie / saltire25/07/2009 at 21:14

    BBC news just said that Massa has 2 skull fractures

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:14

    Fine. Will you say that next time too?

    There are always safety improvements to make but it is pure coincidence that it comes so close to Surtees' accident

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:15

    BBC news just said that Massa has 2 skull fractures

    the boy doesn't do things by half.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:15

    Fine. Will you say that next time too?

    yes. if the events are completely unrelated.

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    It's like chopping the nosecone off to leave his feet exposed.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:15

    BBC news just said that Massa has 2 skull fractures

    Awww man....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:15

    BBC news just said that Massa has 2 skull fractures

    the boy doesn't do things by half.

    Do we know that he will be OK? Is it still life threatening?

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:16

    It's no coincidence. I think we need to look at whether the idea of an open cockpit is a safe one in today's world.

    It's as safe as it has ever been. I haven't seen Massa's accident so I have no idea what happened beyond the basic description. I am going to watch it on the iplayer just to try and understand it.

    As every piece of paper related to an event says motor sport is dangerous and regardless how the rules are written it always will be. To me it is crazy that 20 years after they put so much effort into moving the driver's feet out of danger their heads are still sticking out.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:16

    Do we know that he will be OK? Is it still life threatening?

    As far as we know, the AP/Sky story was just an exagerration.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:16

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    A closed cockpit has other dangers, safety helmet improvements can surely be made too

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:16

    It's no coincidence. I think we need to look at whether the idea of an open cockpit is a safe one in today's world.

    it's a coincidence.. well i think it is. Surtees accident was an unfortunate and rare one, exactly the same as Massa's. how many times have things come off cars and bounced across the track? probably hundreds. That spring was tiny in the scale of the track, it could have bounced anywhere, it was just unlucky and very very unfortunate for Massa that it happened to bounce where it did, when it did. There is no way of telling if it will happen again or not. I agree maybe helmets need to be reinforced but i don't think it's necessary to have closed cockpits.

  • Frank McCarthy25/07/2009 at 21:16

    Great quote from Juan Pablo Montoya regarding Massa's crash:

    The medical response, it seemed, left something to be desired.

    "You know what it really showed me?" Montoya said after qualifying second for the Allstate 400 at the Brickyard. "I’m glad I’m not tere to say this, but how long the medical response was. I mean, it was incredible ...

    "You know when you get here and you’re used to what NASCAR does, it’s kind of bad, you know? They’re ready to tow the car out and the guy’s knocked out inside the car and they don’t even notice. Kind of shocking."

    He's absolutely right..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:16

    As every piece of paper related to an event says motor sport is dangerous and regardless how the rules are written it always will be. To me it is crazy that 20 years after they put so much effort into moving the driver's feet out of danger their heads are still sticking out.

    Indeed.

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 21:17

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    Do you not think the drivers failing to see flying objects coming towards them is a weakpoint? Perhaps the cockpit sides are too high... (I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying that there has to be a full investigation before we jump to conclusions)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:17

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    A closed cockpit has other dangers, safety helmet improvements can surely be made too

    The same argument was made against seatbelts in the 60's - when they thought it was best you were thrown clear of the car in a crash.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:18

    He's absolutely right..

    he is? i thought they did a great job.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:18

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    Do you not think the drivers failing to see flying objects coming towards them is a weakpoint? Perhaps the cockpit sides are too high... (I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying that there has to be a full investigation before we jump to conclusions)

    The cockpit sides are high to protect his head, not protect against flying debris.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:18

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    I made a couple of comments on Joe's post on the Surtees accident about this. What is the point in mandating crash tests that subject the car to huge loads while the driver can be killed by a wheel because his head is exposed.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:18

    The same argument was made against seatbelts in the 60's - when they thought it was best you were thrown clear of the car in a crash.

    I don't have the answer and would be willing to see some research on it. I just hope that a considered approach is taken rather than the usual FIA knee-jerk reaction

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:19

    He's absolutely right..

    he is? i thought they did a great job.

    So did I ... but Montoya cannot resist having a dig at the sport.

    What a reject - now he can't even get a top 5 in banger racing. Enjoy the Bitter Lemon, my friend!

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:20

    Do we know that he will be OK? Is it still life threatening?

    i don't know much about fractures to the skull, but i'm thinking that as he's had an operation the doctors have known this for some time and things are in hand. remember we've already been told that scans are clear etc, we are just finding out more information. I do know one thing though, Richard Hammond had a fractured skull after his crash, and i know he was lucky, but he is alright. so maybe we can take some comfort from that?

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 21:20

    Do we know that he will be OK? Is it still life threatening?

    Usually they do not make any confirmed diagnosis with injuries like this until at least 48 hours (there are reasons which I won't go into but being in hospital will improve any risk of these being managed) - I am sure he is in good hands and all we can do is hope for the best. I have my doubts about whether he will be racing this season though.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:20

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    now you've changed the point that you're arguing. you said:

    "It's no coincidence."

    and i'm saying it is a coincidence. it is a coincidence that these two events happened in close succession. they are unrelated.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:20

    A closed cockpit has other dangers, safety helmet improvements can surely be made too

    I have argued for at least 20 years that the minimum we should have is overhead protection like they have on top fuel dragsters. I have also argued for about the same time that there should be bars in front of and behind the wheels to stop one car launching over another. Either of those would have saved Surtees.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:21

    I don't have the answer and would be willing to see some research on it. I just hope that a considered approach is taken rather than the usual FIA knee-jerk reaction

    seconded.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:21

    The same argument was made against seatbelts in the 60's - when they thought it was best you were thrown clear of the car in a crash.

    I don't have the answer and would be willing to see some research on it. I just hope that a considered approach is taken rather than the usual FIA knee-jerk reaction

    Oh absolutely.

    But what is the point in protecting the driver's legs, body and neck but not his head?

    It's like wearing a suit of armour with a hole in it covered in fluorescent cloth with 'hit me' written on it...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:22

    It's like wearing a suit of armour with a hole in it covered in fluorescent cloth with 'hit me' written on it...

    But a helmet is somewhat an improvement on a flourescent cloth

    I take your point though

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:22

    I have my doubts about whether he will be racing this season though.

    you may be right about that.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 21:22

    i don't know much about fractures to the skull, but i'm thinking that as he's had an operation the doctors have known this for some time and things are in hand. remember we've already been told that scans are clear etc, we are just finding out more information. I do know one thing though, Richard Hammond had a fractured skull after his crash, and i know he was lucky, but he is alright. so maybe we can take some comfort from that?

    I was thinking the same thing - but injuries such as these do affect moods and judgment. I am guessing Felipe's is not as serious as Richard Hammond's.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:22

    Do you not think the drivers failing to see flying objects coming towards them is a weakpoint? Perhaps the cockpit sides are too high... (I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying that there has to be a full investigation before we jump to conclusions)

    In most cases if a flying object is coming sideways at a driver there is nothing he can do about it.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:22

    But a helmet is somewhat an improvement on a flourescent cloth

    very much so. as christine pointed out recently. you can drive a tank of those things.

  • Frank McCarthy25/07/2009 at 21:23

    he is? i thought they did a great job.

    I'd have to go back and look, but it was minutes before the Merc showed up.

    The marshals were actually getting ready to remove the car before anyone actually attended to Felipe.

    That's unacceptable in my opinion..

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:23

    very much so. as christine pointed out recently. you can drive a tank of those things.

    I don't remember saying that, but if I did, I would have said OVER. ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:24

    Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?

    now you've changed the point that you're arguing. you said:

    "It's no coincidence."

    and i'm saying it is a coincidence. it is a coincidence that these two events happened in close succession. they are unrelated.

    But they are not 'freak accidents' in the respect of that it could happen again? I guess that is what I mean.

    What I am trying to say is that there seems to be a weak point in driver safety that has been swatted away by some people as a 'freak accident'

    I work in safety stats and I can say that most accidents happen in a 'freak' manner - the point is that you learn from them so that you prevent them happening in future...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:24

    I have my doubts about whether he will be racing this season though.

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    Anyone remember Cristiano Da Matta?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:25

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    Steady on. Bit early for that isn't it?

    Let's see what happens

    Anyone remember Cristiano Da Matta?

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:25

    With Hammond, he did change personality wise and stuff like that.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:26

    Anyone remember Cristiano Da Matta?

    Didn't he hit that deer? Is now scared of racing ever again?

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:26

    Anyone remember Cristiano Da Matta?

    Yeah, now that really was a freak accident.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:26

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    Steady on. Bit early for that isn't it?

    Let's see what happens

    Anyone remember Cristiano Da Matta?

    He has had a serious head injury and he has a family. It will take a while to recover from this...

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 21:26

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    I did not want to be as negative as that, there are cases of drivers coming back. What I think is even more likely is that he will come back but is simply not as competitive like with Karl Wendlinger.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:26

    With Hammond, he did change personality wise and stuff like that.

    massa might get funky highlights?

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:27

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    You have no basis for that.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:27

    I was thinking the same thing - but injuries such as these do affect moods and judgment. I am guessing Felipe's is not as serious as Richard Hammond's.

    exactly, all head injury's are different and affect people in different ways. hopefully he his wounds are only to the skull bone and not his brain. with any brain/ head surgery he'll be monitored for some time. with any luck he isn't as bad as we are all imagining.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:27

    With Hammond, he did change personality wise and stuff like that.

    massa might get funky highlights?

    And race dogsleds to the North pole?

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:27

    massa might get funky highlights?

    Too soon? I lol'd still.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:27

    With Hammond, he did change personality wise and stuff like that.

    Look at what has happened to his hair since

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:27

    With Hammond, he did change personality wise and stuff like that.

    Head injuries are complicated, no telling how long any effects will last for

    The brain can recover/repair for approx 5 - 7 years after injury

    [I had someone close to me who suffered a traumatic brain injury with amazing rehabilitation]

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:28

    And race dogsleds to the North pole?

    And like celery too?

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:28

    With Hammond, he did change personality wise and stuff like that.

    did it? i thought the only think he said it changed was his liking for celery?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:28

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    You have no basis for that.

    You are right. But I can't see him coming back somehow.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:28

    Yeah, now that really was a freak accident.

    Stefan Johanson hit a deer in Austria in a McLaren one year to prove Gavin's freak accident point.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:28

    massa might get funky highlights?

    And a mullet?

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:29

    You are right. But I can't see him coming back somehow.

    you've concluded that because?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:29

    Yeah, now that really was a freak accident.

    Stefan Johanson hit a deer in Austria in a McLaren one year to prove Gavin's freak accident point.

    Actually there have been a few drivers that have hit deer over the years. Doesn't help that some of the old circuits were run on parkland!

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:29

    You are right. But I can't see him coming back somehow.

    It'll be interesting to see in a few weeks what his thoughts on racing again are.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:29

    And like celery too?

    That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:30

    You are right. But I can't see him coming back somehow.

    you've concluded that because?

    I dunno. I just have.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:30

    And like celery too?

    That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food.

    :)

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 21:30

    That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food.

    :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:31

    And like celery too?

    That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food.

    Especially food that you consume more calories eating than what's in it... whats the point in that???

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:31

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    wha? i don't think we can say that... i think it will depend on the severity of any long term effects this may have on him. Personally i think if he isn't back before the end of the season he'll be back for 2009. Plenty of drivers have had big crashes and come back into f1... fact is none of us know Felipe and know how he is most likely to react to this...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:31

    Especially food that you consume more calories eating than what's in it... whats the point in that???

    I think that's a falacy

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:32

    That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food.

    :D hehe

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:32

    Especially food that you consume more calories eating than what's in it... whats the point in that???

    I think that's a falacy

    Most of my arguments are!

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:33

    Especially food that you consume more calories eating than what's in it... whats the point in that???

    Same with lettuce. Beats me why none of these food fad gurus has never had a success with eat yourself thin.

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:33

    wha? i don't think we can say that... i think it will depend on the severity of any long term effects this may have on him. Personally i think if he isn't back before the end of the season he'll be back for 2009. Plenty of drivers have had big crashes and come back into f1... fact is none of us know Felipe and know how he is most likely to react to this...

    Like who?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:33

    I have my doubts if he will race ever again.

    wha? i don't think we can say that... i think it will depend on the severity of any long term effects this may have on him. Personally i think if he isn't back before the end of the season he'll be back for 2009. Plenty of drivers have had big crashes and come back into f1... fact is none of us know Felipe and know how he is most likely to react to this...

    So you think that he will return with Doctor Who and travel back to the start of this season? ;)

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:34

    BBC 1 have a film just started where someone else does Bruce Willis's job of saving the planet from a big space rock. Who knew there was a back up plan?

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:35

    from 5live:

    "I think it is highly unlikely that Massa will be racing in within the next two months. Marc Gene is their official reserve"

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:35

    BBC 1 have a film just started where someone else does Bruce Willis's job of saving the planet from a big space rock. Who knew there was a back up plan?

    What's the film?

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:36

    "I think it is highly unlikely that Massa will be racing in within the next two months. Marc Gene is their official reserve"

    What happened to Luca Badoer. I thought that was his job.

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:36

    "I think it is highly unlikely that Massa will be racing in within the next two months. Marc Gene is their official reserve"

    You think Badoer would be. I wonder why that is.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:36

    What's the film?

    Deep Impact

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:36

    "I think it is highly unlikely that Massa will be racing in within the next two months. Marc Gene is their official reserve"

    Good good. For Gene that is, not Massa being unable to race.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:36

    from 5live:

    "I think it is highly unlikely that Massa will be racing in within the next two months. Marc Gene is their official reserve"

    Marc Gene? Right now there are probably about 100 drivers sobbing thinking "But I am better than Marc Gene!"

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:37

    BBC 1 have a film just started where someone else does Bruce Willis's job of saving the planet from a big space rock. Who knew there was a back up plan?

    I've not seen that one, I'd still be wanting Bruce to save the planet from asteroids & meteors I think

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:37

    What's the film?

    Deep Impact

    That's an oddly entertaining film...

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:38

    Marc Gene? Right now there are probably about 100 drivers sobbing thinking "But I am better than Marc Gene!"

    Including his brother

  • lou25/07/2009 at 21:38

    So you think that he will return with Doctor Who and travel back to the start of this season? ;)

    sorry typing/ having a conversation with mum about the season = fail .

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:38

    Marc Gene? Right now there are probably about 100 drivers sobbing thinking "But I am better than Marc Gene!"

    Now now, he drove that hideous highlighted Minardi you know, Badoer can't say he did that!

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 21:38

    What happened to Luca Badoer. I thought that was his job.

    They realised he's never scored a point in F1 and that putting him in car he hasn't driven competitively in ten years isn't so smart?!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:38

    BBC 1 have a film just started where someone else does Bruce Willis's job of saving the planet from a big space rock. Who knew there was a back up plan?

    I've not seen that one, I'd still be wanting Bruce to save the planet from asteroids & meteors I think

    Bruce can always save ya ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:38

    Marc Gene? Right now there are probably about 100 drivers sobbing thinking "But I am better than Marc Gene!"

    That few?

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:38

    BBC 1 have a film just started where someone else does Bruce Willis's job of saving the planet from a big space rock. Who knew there was a back up plan?

    Don't trust them. Bruce can save us.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:39

    What happened to Luca Badoer. I thought that was his job.

    Both are test drivers for the Scuderia

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:40

    What happened to Luca Badoer. I thought that was his job.

    Both are test drivers for Ferrari

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:41

    Sorry for the double post, doohickey didn't like S c u d e r i a

    I think

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:41

    Both are test drivers for Ferrari

    So why Gené?:P

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:41

    So why Gené?:P

    It came up tails?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:42

    BBC 1 have a film just started where someone else does Bruce Willis's job of saving the planet from a big space rock. Who knew there was a back up plan?

    Don't trust them. Bruce can save us.

    Deep Impact = No Bruce = Comet destroys most of the world

    Armageddon = Bruce = a minor fender bender and everyone's happy.

    Now I know who I'd want on my team!

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 21:42

    What happened to Luca Badoer. I thought that was his job.

    Both are test drivers for Ferrari

    Marc will be given the nod over Luca - younger and a more active racing driver - is Marc not rumoured to be in contention for the Campos seat?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:42

    Sorry for the double post, doohickey didn't like S c u d e r i a

    I think

    Well it is an evil word ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:42

    Marc Gene? Right now there are probably about 100 drivers sobbing thinking "But I am better than Marc Gene!"

    That few?

    I was being polite!

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:43

    Deep Impact = No Bruce = Comet destroys most of the world

    Well that kinda ruins the film then doesn't it

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:43

    Well it is an evil word ;)

    According to Ollie, it means Stable

    I didn't know that, I thought it was team

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:43

    Well that kinda ruins the film then doesn't it

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:44

    Well it is an evil word ;)

    According to Ollie, it means Stable

    I didn't know that, I thought it was team

    Apparently team is "Squadra"

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 21:44

    According to Ollie, it means Stable

    Like a stable of horses - so that is why they have a black horse as their emblem.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:44

    Deep Impact = No Bruce = Comet destroys most of the world

    Well that kinda ruins the film then doesn't it

    Oops!

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:45

    Like a stable of horses - so that is why they have a black horse as their emblem.

    and toro sorrow?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:45

    Like a stable of horses - so that is why they have a black horse as their emblem.

    Read Ollie's piece, it's quite good

    http://blogf1.co.uk/teams/ferrari/

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 21:45

    I did not know that Felipe is becoming a dad soon. Makes this worse. :(

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:45

    Apparently team is "Squadra"

    Toro Rosso was originally announced as Squadra Toro Rosso but they changed to Scuderia because squadra was more commonly used for football teams

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:45

    At the end of the Ferrari should have only done one thing - talk to FRANCK ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:46

    and toro sorrow?

    Toro Rosso?

    Red Bull in Italian

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 21:46

    At the end of the Ferrari should have only done one thing - talk to FRANCK ;)

    [ping]

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 21:50

    I did not know that Felipe is becoming a dad soon. Makes this worse. :(

    Yes it was announced a little time ago - he was incredible excited - I seem to remember something along the lines that he wanted to have his kids tag along like Rubens do.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:51

    Just decided this fim is utterly unrealistic. They spotted the comment a year before impact. The last thing that came close to the Earth was spotted a week in advance.

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 21:52

    Just decided this fim is utterly unrealistic. They spotted the comment a year before impact. The last thing that came close to the Earth was spotted a week in advance.

    must have been one explosive comment.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:52

    Just decided this fim is utterly unrealistic. They spotted the comment a year before impact. The last thing that came close to the Earth was spotted a week in advance.

    New and improved Doohickey?

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:52

    Just decided this fim is utterly unrealistic. They spotted the comment a year before impact. The last thing that came close to the Earth was spotted a week in advance.

    Apparently, (and this is according to Wikipedia) this film was much preferred by scientists and the like, whereas Armageddon did much better in the box office a few months later.

    I hate Deep Impact with a passion, and not just cos it doesn't have Bruce in it.

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:52

    New and improved Doohickey?

    it wasn't me!

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:53

    must have been one explosive comment.

    :D

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:53

    I hate Deep Impact with a passion, and not just cos it doesn't have Bruce in it.

    Do you want to save that one for the SidepodRadio show?

    Cos if so, I'll have to watch it :)

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:53

    Just watching the Massa incident on the iplayer. Just over a minute before the medical car arrived. That is reasonable.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:53

    Cos if so, I'll have to watch it :)

    Hehehehe. Can do :)

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 21:54

    must have been one explosive comment.

    I blame...... I meant comet

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 21:55

    That comment I made about Ferrari and Franck has given me a great idea...

    *runs off laughing quietly*

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:57

    Anyone have a link to Gavin's blog, I forgot to bookmark it

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:57

    I hate Deep Impact with a passion, and not just cos it doesn't have Bruce in it.

    Well that film was Pants really. At least Armageddon had an Oil Rig in it!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:58

    Anyone have a link to Gavin's blog, I forgot to bookmark it

    www.f1numbers.wordpress.com ;)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:58

    Well that film was Pants really. At least Armageddon had an Oil Rig in it!

    Ah, there you are. See previous comment

  • me25/07/2009 at 21:58

    Well that film was Pants really. At least Armageddon had an Oil Rig in it!

    deep impact squashed an oil rig.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 21:58

    Anyone have a link to Gavin's blog, I forgot to bookmark it

    www.f1numbers.wordpress.com ;)

    Ta

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:58

    Have updated comment of the year page: http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Best+Comment+of+the+Year

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 21:59

    Well that film was Pants really. At least Armageddon had an Oil Rig in it!

    deep impact squashed an oil rig.

    Boo! Nobody squashes an Oil Rig, it's not allowed. It just isn't!

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 21:59

    Boo! Nobody squashes an Oil Rig, it's not allowed. It just isn't!

    Bruce would never do that, see. Armageddon wins.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:00

    Bruce would never do that, see. Armageddon wins.

    It's all about the vest

  • Rachel25/07/2009 at 22:02

    Have updated comment of the year page: http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Best+Comment+of+the+Year

    oh. wow. thank you!

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 22:03

    Does anyone know where I can download the A-Team theme in full, but with none of the talking at the beginning, just the whole piece of music?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:03

    Have updated comment of the year page: http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Best+Comment+of+the+Year

    oh. wow. thank you!

    That's some good companty right there

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:03

    *company

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:07

    Does anyone know where I can download the A-Team theme in full, but with none of the talking at the beginning, just the whole piece of music?

    You could cut it out using GoldWave?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:07

    Thanks for the heads up Lou, the Jonsi & Alex album is great

    Recommend to all Sigur Rós fans

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:08

    Does anyone know where I can download the A-Team theme in full, but with none of the talking at the beginning, just the whole piece of music?

    Alta vista used to have an audio search

  • lou25/07/2009 at 22:11

    Thanks for the heads up Lou, the Jonsi & Alex album is great

    yay! :) i'm pleased you like it, it's lovely

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:14

    MR C & Christine:

    If you're looking for a new tv show, True Blood is now on iTunes

    I recommend it

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:15

    For everyone else, it's on FX

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 22:16

    I recommend it

    Ooh, noted. We're literally just discussing what we're going to watch tonight. We has Green Wing, Teachers, Father Ted, Grand Designs, and Cold Feet.

    All of which we've seen before, but requires watching again, especially as they were reduced on iTunes.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:16

    For everyone else, it's on FX

    http://fxuk.com/series/true-blood

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:17

    All of which we've seen before, but requires watching again, especially as they were reduced on iTunes.

    West Wing, Season 1, Episode 1 ;)

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 22:18

    Green Wing and Father Ted are free on 4OD

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:18

    If you're looking for a new tv show, True Blood is now on iTunes

    Is it good even though Anna Paquin's in it?

  • me25/07/2009 at 22:19

    Green Wing and Father Ted are free on 4OD

    not on your phone though. and they may not be there forever.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:19

    Is it good even though Anna Paquin's in it?

    Is it very good

    She's quite different to her X Men role. Grown up a bit

  • me25/07/2009 at 22:19

    West Wing, Season 1, Episode 1 ;)

    what about 24?

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 22:19

    Green Wing and Father Ted are free on 4OD

    I dunno, I reckon £4.99 is a decent price to pay to watch without adverts and put on iPod if I want.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:19

    what about 24?

    Pah

    Season One only, for me

  • me25/07/2009 at 22:20

    Season One only, for me

    noted. and the dennis leary fireman thing?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:21

    noted. and the dennis leary fireman thing?

    Rescue Me

    Yeah, that's worth a go

    Also, Weeds, with Mary Louise Parker

  • Amy25/07/2009 at 22:21

    amy has cancelled craft fair plans. Amy is going back to sleep. Even the blind saw this coming

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:21

    Is it good even though Anna Paquin's in it?

    Is it very good

    She's quite different to her X Men role. Grown up a bit

    Still dislike her though. She was a Kiwi until it didn't suit her anymore!

  • me25/07/2009 at 22:21

    Yeah, that's worth a go

    cheers. now to find the time...

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 22:21

    Hello everyone. Stayed up all night to catch qualifying, slept in till 2:00 PM. My body clock is officially broken.

    I am watching NASCAR qualifying at Indy. It amazing how much better Formula One's format is.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:22

    cheers. now to find the time...

    And also Dexter :)

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 22:22

    amy has cancelled craft fair plans. Amy is going back to sleep. Even the blind saw this coming

    You are sleeping on a weekend

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:22

    Hello everyone. Stayed up all night to catch qualifying, slept in till 2:00 PM. My body clock is officially broken.

    I am watching NASCAR qualifying at Indy. It amazing how much better Formula One's format is.

    NASCAR has qualifying?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:22

    amy has cancelled craft fair plans. Amy is going back to sleep. Even the blind saw this coming

    You are sleeping on a weekend

    She's sleeping ... that is news enough!

  • lou25/07/2009 at 22:23

    amy has cancelled craft fair plans. Amy is going back to sleep. Even the blind saw this coming

    aww. Have a lovely sleep Amy :)

  • me25/07/2009 at 22:23

    amy has cancelled craft fair plans. Amy is going back to sleep. Even the blind saw this coming

    :P

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:23

    NASCAR has qualifying?

    Find car, get in it. You're in

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:25

    NASCAR has qualifying?

    Find car, get in it. You're in

    I used to love NASCAR. Now it's just stupid!

  • me25/07/2009 at 22:25

    NASCAR has qualifying?

    Find car, get in it. You're in

    i'm sure trickle had to qualify didn't he?

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:25

    Still dislike her though. She was a Kiwi until it didn't suit her anymore!

    She was born in Canada, Wiki says she moved to U.S. from NZ after her parents divorce when she was 13

    Didn't know that

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:31

    Still dislike her though. She was a Kiwi until it didn't suit her anymore!

    She was born in Canada, Wiki says she moved to U.S. from NZ after her parents divorce when she was 13

    Didn't know that

    When she was in the Piano she was a Kiwi. Then she got famous, moved to Hollywood, talked like an American and hasn't been back since. We don't even call her "New Zealand's Anna Paquin" anymore...

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:32

    When she was in the Piano she was a Kiwi. Then she got famous, moved to Hollywood, talked like an American and hasn't been back since. We don't even call her "New Zealand's Anna Paquin" anymore...

    Her co-star in True Blood is British, doesn't talk like it though

    Hollywood does that unfortunately

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:33

    The much-rumoured 10" Mac Tablet for 2010?

    I sure hope so

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 22:48

    I used to love NASCAR. Now it's just stupid!

    It's example #A1 of how making things way too spec can ruin a series.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 22:49

    I used to love NASCAR. Now it's just stupid!

    It's example #A1 of how making things way too spec can ruin a series.

    Exactly - prior to the COT it was quite entertaining. Now it plain sucks!

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 22:52

    Didn't Hakkinen suffer a form of brain injury in 95?

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 22:53

    Just seen the Massa accident. How is it possibly for a spring to just fall off a car. Had it been one of the awful back of the grid teams we used to have in the 80s I could understand it but how can a team that is leading the world championship have something like that just fall off.

    Massa reaction was odd too. He stayed on the throttle but got on the brakes. That is a very odd reaction for a racing driver.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:53

    The 2nd of Massa's fractures is to the base of his skull acording to the BBC F1 site

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:54

    Just seen the Massa accident. How is it possibly for a spring to just fall off a car. Had it been one of the awful back of the grid teams we used to have in the 80s I could understand it but how can a team that is leading the world championship have something like that just fall off.

    Quotes drom elsewhere say it was a damper

    Looks likely he was only semi-conscious after the impact from the flying debris

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 22:55

    The 2nd of Massa's fractures is to the base of his skull acording to the BBC F1 site

    He must have hit that wall hard because his head looked like it when close to the steering wheels despite his HANS device. I guess the second fracture is from the rebound.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 22:56

    Quotes drom elsewhere say it was a damper

    You can see on the youtube footage that it is a coil spring. I didn't think anyone used those any more. I thought everyone used torsion bars.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 22:56

    Howdy all, just got back from a nice evening

    Just seen the Massa accident. How is it possibly for a spring to just fall off a car. Had it been one of the awful back of the grid teams we used to have in the 80s I could understand it but how can a team that is leading the world championship have something like that just fall off.

    What i don't get is that hte springs aren't mounted like a normal car, they are mounted horizontal-ish and are connected to a whole host of other things. It confuses me greatly

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 22:56

    You can see on the youtube footage that it is a coil spring. I didn't think anyone used those any more. I thought everyone used torsion bars.

    They still use dampers which connect with the pull/push rods

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 22:56

    You can see on the youtube footage that it is a coil spring. I didn't think anyone used those any more. I thought everyone used torsion bars.

    Are there coils inside of dampers or is it just hydraulics & pneumatics

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 22:57

    He must have hit that wall hard because his head looked like it when close to the steering wheels despite his HANS device. I guess the second fracture is from the rebound.

    Apparently it hit the steering wheel, which as you say, is incredibly odd given he was wearing a HANS

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 22:58

    Apparently it hit the steering wheel, which as you say, is incredibly odd given he was wearing a HANS

    My understanding is the seat belts stretched more than they should have.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 22:58

    Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73AMtoeZyog

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 22:59

    Apparently it hit the steering wheel, which as you say, is incredibly odd given he was wearing a HANS

    It was a big impact. It like the tethers argument on Surtees's crash. The HANS can only limit head movement so much.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 22:59

    My understanding is the seat belts stretched more than they should have.

    Which makes sense.

    I have to admit, that as soon as i saw the accident, before any onboards, it sounded like he still had hte throttle on, and that video confirms it.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 23:00

    It was a big impact. It like the tethers argument on Surtees's crash. The HANS can only limit head movement so much.

    Ah but they didn't snap, which is the main thing, if they had then it would have been fatal

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:00

    If you stop the youtube clip at 25 seconds it is clearly a coil spring

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 23:05

    I know it's not a particularly popular thing to say, but there is absolutely nothing that can be done safety wise without making this a closed cockpit formula, and frankly, i don't believe a closed cockpit windscreen could cope with an inpact like that

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 23:09

    I know it's not a particularly popular thing to say, but there is absolutely nothing that can be done safety wise without making this a closed cockpit formula, and frankly, i don't believe a closed cockpit windscreen could cope with an inpact like that

    I don't think you can lower the driver anymore or raise the monocoque either. I think it just one of those things they we have to try to prevent via sweeping and checking cars but can't avoid.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 23:09

    I know it's not a particularly popular thing to say, but there is absolutely nothing that can be done safety wise without making this a closed cockpit formula, and frankly, i don't believe a closed cockpit windscreen could cope with an inpact like that

    It would work if you used glass from Aviation windscreens.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:09

    I know it's not a particularly popular thing to say, but there is absolutely nothing that can be done safety wise without making this a closed cockpit formula, and frankly, i don't believe a closed cockpit windscreen could cope with an inpact like that

    Laminated windscreens can take quite a hit and even if it didn't stop the spring it would massively reduce the impact.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 23:11

    It would work if you used glass from Aviation windscreens.

    Could we see an increase in the visor strength? I think most of the damage came from the fact that it hit the visor as well as the helmet. In the shots I've seen, the helmet to a beating but the visor looked destroyed.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 23:12

    I know it's not a particularly popular thing to say, but there is absolutely nothing that can be done safety wise without making this a closed cockpit formula, and frankly, i don't believe a closed cockpit windscreen could cope with an inpact like that

    i agree... i don't think closed cockpits are the answer....

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 23:12

    Could we see an increase in the visor strength? I think most of the damage came from the fact that it hit the visor as well as the helmet. In the shots I've seen, the helmet to a beating but the visor looked destroyed.

    Should happen regardless I think

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 23:15

    It would work if you used glass from Aviation windscreens.

    But thats not really the point, if F1 is to stay open cockpit, nothing can be done

  • lou25/07/2009 at 23:15

    yay! Davidson's car is up to 5th! hehe

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 23:21

    Apparently Ferrari might withdraw Kimi - it is the dail mail so not sure of the reliability

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1202117/Ferraris-Felipe-Massa-life-threatening-condition-horror-smash-Hungary.html;jsessionid=F8D7DBA339A5C35F8B99B7DC2E21FEAF

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 23:22

    Could we see an increase in the visor strength? I think most of the damage came from the fact that it hit the visor as well as the helmet. In the shots I've seen, the helmet to a beating but the visor looked destroyed.

    I was thinking, how ridiculous is it that they spend all his money on helmets, HANS devices and such and the only thing that is protection on their most important organs(their eyes) is protected by a thin piece of plastic. I think they can figure out a material and a design to keep the clarity of vision while increasing the material that protects the eyes.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:23

    I was thinking, how ridiculous is it that they spend all his money on helmets, HANS devices and such and the only thing that is protection on their most important organs(their eyes) is protected by a thin piece of plastic. I think they can figure out a material and a design to keep the clarity of vision while increasing the material that protects the eyes.

    Visors are actually very good on impact protection considering that the driver has to see through them.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 23:24

    That picture of Massa with one eye open is really disturbing. I really don't like the look on his face. It just seems so cold and lifeless. :(

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 23:25

    Apparently Ferrari might withdraw Kimi - it is the dail mail so not sure of the reliability

    Sensationalist rubbish

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 23:26

    Also found this:

    "Reports suggested he had bone removed from around his eye socket. He was then put in an induced coma. His brother, Eduardo, was by his bedside until the late evening, as Ferrari fans gathered outside the hospital. His parents, Ana Elena and Luiz Antonio, and pregnant wife, Raffella, are flying in from Brazil to be with him.

    "

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:26

    Apparently Ferrari might withdraw Kimi - it is the dail mail so not sure of the reliability

    The picture in that paper is in pretty bad taste but it does show that the visor was disodged in the accident and seems to be in one piece.

  • Jon Waldock25/07/2009 at 23:29

    The picture in that paper is in pretty bad taste but it does show that the visor was disodged in the accident and seems to be in one piece.

    Yeah was just about to say, looks a little scratched up, but apart from that, pretty good, you can tell where it hit thouh as there is a large chunk missing

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 23:29

    Also found this:

    He was sedated

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 23:29

    Apparently Ferrari might withdraw Kimi - it is the dail mail so not sure of the reliability

    The picture in that paper is in pretty bad taste but it does show that the visor was disodged in the accident and seems to be in one piece.

    I asked James Allen if he could remove it from his blog.

  • lou25/07/2009 at 23:29

    Also found this:

    have you read Joe's article on Massa? he explains everything really well, and explains why they induce comas and that it is actually the safest thing to do.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 23:29

    Visors are actually very good on impact protection considering that the driver has to see through them.

    I was just think that a little more material in the visor might have taken at least some of the energy out before it hit the head. I think injuries would of been un-avoidable in this instance, but it might of helped less the damage a little bit.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 23:30

    have you read Joe's article on Massa? he explains everything really well, and explains why they induce comas and that it is actually the safest thing to do.

    I have read it. That was just me confusing an induced coma with sedation. :P

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 23:30

    Scott has you got this months F1 Racing?

    I've got mine. I have to wonder if the people who decide the F1R front covers have a crystal ball - Felipe was on the cover, and by the time it gets in the shops you can pretty much guarantee he'll be the one non-British driver casual F1 followers will remember...

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:30

    I asked James Allen if he could remove it from his blog.

    He should know better

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 23:31

    I have read it. That was just me confusing an induced coma with sedation. :P

    What I mean is thinking of them as two different things.

  • Scott Woodwiss25/07/2009 at 23:31

    Scott has you got this months F1 Racing?

    I shall be picking it up sometime this week.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:32

    have you read Joe's article on Massa? he explains everything really well, and explains why they induce comas and that it is actually the safest thing to do.

    The first race after Imola 94 was Monaco and Karl Wendlinger had a huge accident at the chicane after the tunnel. The chicane was closer to the tunnel then and instead of kerbs it was barriers. Wendlinger was put in a coma for about 6 weeks

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 23:33
  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:34

    I was just think that a little more material in the visor might have taken at least some of the energy out before it hit the head. I think injuries would of been un-avoidable in this instance, but it might of helped less the damage a little bit.

    To me it looks like the spring cut the screw out that attached the visor. On the video of the accident you can see the steering wheel turns and it looks like his head hits the corner of the wheel. I would guess that is what caused his injury.

  • Rich25/07/2009 at 23:35

    I asked James Allen if he could remove it from his blog.

    I put a comment for this blog that it should be removed - it got through moderation but the photo was kept.

  • norton25/07/2009 at 23:39

    Everyone is an expert hey, nothing else to do hey guy's

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:40

    Everyone is an expert hey, nothing else to do hey guy's

    No-one is claiming to be an expert. All we are trying to do is understand what happened.

  • Christine25/07/2009 at 23:41

    Everyone is an expert hey, nothing else to do hey guy's

    Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

  • norton25/07/2009 at 23:41

    then leave it to the experts and watch the press instead of being like a bunch of little school girls

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 23:42

    Everyone is an expert hey, nothing else to do hey guy's

    No-one is claiming to be an expert. All we are trying to do is understand what happened.

    Hey, I know quite a lot about Bassano Clapping

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 23:42

    then leave it to the experts and watch the press instead of being like a bunch of little school girls

    How insightful

  • me25/07/2009 at 23:42

    then leave it to the experts and watch the press instead of being like a bunch of little school girls

    i'm sorry norton but that is bang out of order. you clearly haven't even attempted to read a single comment here.

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:43

    then leave it to the experts and watch the press instead of being like a bunch of little school girls

    Who put you in charge of what people can discuss? Or for that matter to what makes you think that no-one here has any expertise?

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 23:49

    Does James Allen not count as media anymore then? {Comment #730}

    James Allen is "intelligent media", as opposed to the "stupid media" to which Scott referred.

  • Dan Brunell25/07/2009 at 23:51

    Not to change subjects, but what does everything think of the report of Wurz maybe driving for USF1? I am trying to write a blog post about (killing time on a sunny Saturday) and trying to figured out everything he brings to the table in comparison to say JV.

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 23:53

    Not to change subjects, but what does everything think of the report of Wurz maybe driving for USF1? I am trying to write a blog post about (killing time on a sunny Saturday) and trying to figured out everything he brings to the table in comparison to say JV.

    Join us in the new daily Dan but I'd rather Wurz than JV

    Thought they were going for an American Pie line up?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 23:53

    then leave it to the experts and watch the press instead of being like a bunch of little school girls

    Thank you for coming here and insulting us. You must like offending people to write a comment like that?

    If you wish to start a petty flame war then you have come to the wrong place my friend!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)25/07/2009 at 23:54

    Not to change subjects, but what does everything think of the report of Wurz maybe driving for USF1? I am trying to write a blog post about (killing time on a sunny Saturday) and trying to figured out everything he brings to the table in comparison to say JV.

    Join us in the new daily Dan but I'd rather Wurz than JV

    Thought they were going for an American Pie line up?

    Dan is still in the 25th though (timelime wise!)

  • Bassano Clapper25/07/2009 at 23:54

    Dan is still in the 25th though (timelime wise!)

    But this is SidepodTime, it's global! ;)

  • Joe25/07/2009 at 23:55

    Not to change subjects, but what does everything think of the report of Wurz maybe driving for USF1? I am trying to write a blog post about (killing time on a sunny Saturday) and trying to figured out everything he brings to the table in comparison to say JV.

    Ever heard Wurz moan like a jealous child, or even at all? No? Thought not,

  • Steven Roy25/07/2009 at 23:56

    Not to change subjects, but what does everything think of the report of Wurz maybe driving for USF1? I am trying to write a blog post about (killing time on a sunny Saturday) and trying to figured out everything he brings to the table in comparison to say JV.

    I am surprised they have gone for someone with no American profile. That is clearly his biggest negative.

    On the positive side he has more recent experience and McLaren were prepared to almost perpetually pay him 7 figures to develop their cars even when it meant building a special lengthened chassis for him. That tells you everything you need to know about ability, attitude etc.

    The other thing worth considering is that he fronted a team that applied for a grid slot so he may have people and a budget from that, that can be made available to USF1.

  • Alianora La Canta25/07/2009 at 23:57

    Does he [Michael Schumacher] have a valid super licence? {Comment #750}

    The Superlicence he has at the moment will have expired at the end of 2006.

    However, the rule concerning reactivating Superlicences is to have competed in F1 in the last three years (other series, with shorter permissible time periods, can be used instead) in order to reactivate a Superlicence at the same level. So Michael could do it this year - but not next, unless he decides to do some high-level single-seater racing or feels like going through the WMSC/Safety Commission process like a newbie.

  • Rich26/07/2009 at 00:08

    Ever heard Wurz moan like a jealous child, or even at all? No? Thought not,

    and he has a wicked sense of humour!

  • Alianora La Canta26/07/2009 at 00:14

    What else do you need to know? He’s [Massa] being looked after in the best possible care. {Comment #872}

    I can believe that - it's the same hospital that looked after Ralph Firman after his big accident in 2003 and they did a good job then.

  • Alianora La Canta26/07/2009 at 00:22

    That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food. {Comment #947}

    Celery is one of my favourite vegetables, though I will admit to not being entirely neurotypical to start with...

  • Alianora La Canta26/07/2009 at 00:31

    Apparently Ferrari might withdraw Kimi – it is the dail mail so not sure of the reliability {Comment #1086}

    Did it occur to the Daily Mail to check the plausibility of the story? It's not as if anything on the Ferrari broke...

  • Bassano Clapper26/07/2009 at 00:32

    Did it occur to the Daily Mail to check the plausibility of the story? It's not as if anything on the Ferrari broke...

    I get the feeling that rag doesn't do a lot of checking at all

  • Alianora La Canta26/07/2009 at 00:35

    I get the feeling that rag doesn’t do a lot of checking at all {Comment #1130}

    You're probably right. Unfortuantely.