Qualifying day is always the best one of the weekend here at Sidepodcast Towers in terms of F1 action, and then Sunday is better for podcasting fun. However, I get ahead of myself. Having seen some Free Practice laps today, are we in a better position to know what to expect?
- Jaime Alguersuari did okay for his first official day behind the wheel. A small stall during a practice start, and a painfully slow installation lap were his only real misdemeanours throughout the day. He ended both sessions last, but did we expect anything less?
- Hamilton and Kovalainen were both right up there in terms of pace, with the McLarens both enjoying the same updates finally. The same can be said for Piquet, well, only the bit about the updates. Actually, we must be nice to Piquet as it's his birthday today.
- Meanwhile Massa became very spin-happy, as he channelled all things Silverstone around the Hungaroring. It wasn't wet, so this was slightly odd to behold, but I guess not exactly surprising. Rob, have a word, would ya?
That'll do it for now. We'll be live commenting our way through today as well, so I hope you will join us for all the sessions you can. I'll see you in the comments.
Good morning, Europe! :D
hey sir. sorry, was using live commenting, didn't see you there.
how's tricks?
:D Tis alright, have been catching up on comments anyway. :) Any LCLT updates?
Same old, same old. Glad it's the weekend - this week at work just exhausted me.
funnily enough...
there are? will look at LCLT once the others are in bed.
coming, very soon. gimmie two...
The Post that took 4 weeks to write is finally here!
Alex wanted to know who was the better of the two Red Bull drivers.
Well, I looked at qualifying pace, points scored, finishing positions and of course, the championship and it's a very tight one, this!
Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far...
okay. if you hard refresh lclt. it now has a filter box.
will update the wiki with more info.
hard refresh? is that different to soft refreshing? or refresher sweets?
:D
very much so.
Was thinking about that earlier, spooky
Something to do with the cookie monster I think
been a long time coming, this one. performance on threads is still a killer when there's 2,000+ comments to search. but have done the best i can for the time being.
awesome! i ♥ the filter box in the LCLT. makes it much easier to search a whole thread :)
FP3 is looking a bit uncertain for me at 10:00am at the moment
No chance for FP3 or Qually for me. Dad wants to golf 'cos he has a thing on in the late afternoon, and don't want to miss Sunday racing. Plus we've already paid for membership and missed lots of weeks, need to make it pay... DVR is set.
I need to look at the DVD Recorder & Freeview
Maybe time to go PVR
changelog for lclt updates:
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Website+Changelog
pls yell if you spot anything odd. a race weekend isn't the best time for a release, but i'd like to try the updates in a race situation and there isn't another for a while.
It changed the way I watch telly. More convenient than removable media, unless you want to keep it...
Saying that, I don't watch a lot of telly now
What I miss can be found on the iplayers or downloaded
welcome to the dark side.
*hides from pat*
am now waiting for lclt to fall asleep so i can see the pic....
I use a combination of the two, usually when I forget to record it to PVR and I have to go online for it, like with Mock The Week this week :-)
Have been there about six months i think
If I miss Top Gear, it's out there, readily viewable. No biggie
ahh. i put the timer up. one second.
Ahh bless
[in advance]
i'm going to be waiting here for ages aren't i? :P
if you refresh, he'll pass out in about five minutes.
:D awesome thank you.
i haven't actually tested this bit...
so... i could be waiting till quali?
or more.
right... :D well someone's got to test it :P
hehe.
AWWWWWW i prefer that photo!! although they are both adorable..
he fell asleep btw..
phew!!
although mine hasn't.
oh? did you refresh?
tis okay, it just did. might've got click happy.
:D
okay i'm off to get 8 hours sleep before FP3 :) night all! x
night lou. am gonna do the same very shortly.
Night Lou
Night Lou. Night Mr C. :)
Now, to wait for that pic to come out...
love it!!
Night Lou
Night all, i shan't see you for FP3, because i value my sleep :P
Night
night jon
G'night Jon
something i wouldn't mind is a legend for the y-axis. in the first graph, it was immediately clear that the numbers were tenths of a seconds. aside from that, good stuff.
strong words from fernando, echo what christine was saying yesterday:
"This is the worst Formula One we had in many years, maybe the worst in history, because of the politics and all of the fights."
"These six months, they have been very bad for Formula One."
Got it - also will use titles on future graphs ;)
Is it unclear on all graphs or just the first?
if you can fit them in all, that would be good. but first and last probably need them the most.
also, one other thought. this is a great line, in our comments:
"Check it out and leave me a comment on who you think has done better so far..."
but shouldn't it also be in the post too?
I may as well update all the graphs as it won't take too long...
Maybe... I have been wondering how to get more people to comment. Also, how do I add the F1 minute player?
you should have a word with ollie about that. he's great at finding the balance between giving an opinion yet leaving room for thoughts too.
i shall ask christine in the morning, she's the wordpress expert. we can create a custom one for you too if you like?
I would love that - remember I am using the free blog service so the one available for download on your site won't work for some reason...
it may not be possible, but if anyone knows...
For anyone that has some time, check out this really interesting video from Steve Machett of SpeedTV discussing everything that the teams have to calculate to get the proper weight at the end of the race.
I put it on my site for those that are interested. LINK: http://www.racingeagles.com/2009/07/hungarian-grand-prix-speed-tvs-chalk-talk.html
With that in mind, I think one thing that will improve post race celebrations is to change the regulations so that the cars are weighed without tires during their post race inspection. They only thing with the tires they could check is to make sure that the teams have not modifed the tires in any way from the time they get them from Bridgestone.
I want more doughnuts...
I love the chalk talk sessions
another quote from the fernando interview. on movable wings:
"I never touch it! So far, nine races, I never use it. It's not useful at all."
that was pat symmonds idea, that. and even renault don't use it.
6 degrees is not a lot of difference though is it?
seconded.
i really gotta sleep, but that video is calling me!
pat said last season it would be. it was on the renault podcast so i can't quote word-for-word, but he said it was enough.
Obviously isn't though is it, like the KERS limit
regs fail. in every way, from fugly wings to a lack of overtaking.
But the movable flaps are way too small!
If it was the whole wing, then yeah, 6 deg would do it...
i know. but, the data they had said it should've been enough.
'They' also said Bourdais was good
Because we all know Renault have reliable Wind Tunnels, right? ;)
it was mclaren's, wasn't it?
he was. str are not.
Them of the "We're not sure of the numbers so we'll use Flo-Vis" McLaren?
He was in the U.S.
Haven't seen it in F1
De Seb did ok once he settled down
we saw it in le mans though.
that's the ones.
I think they were sure, the numbers were saying 'Epic Fail'
i believe red bull offered "assistance" to str in order not to lose him back to bmw. i also think they turned off le seb's engine on the monza grid. but i'm cynical like that.
hehehe.
And the numbers were right too
dan this video is brilliant!
IN BRIGHT GREEN LETTERS!
Blog post updated - but there's no question marks, Mr. C!
done. and ya moderated me ;)
How did I do that? Are you trying to launder me money again?
You're off the naughty step ... well, on my front porch at least ;)
always.
Have some question marks in return: ??????????????????
thanks. now i must sleep.
hope lclt holds up in the morning. catch ya later.
G'night Mr C
I should sleep too or Mrs. Goat will get mad :(
Night all and hopefully see you in qually!
LOL at "Mrs Goat"
Night Gavin
We are here
Evenin' Sidepodcast!
It's been bloody ages since I posted anything, due to the fact that I've been busier than a one-legged riverdancer.
Just popped in to say congrats on getting your question aired on FP2.
Also: Alguersuari (yes, I did copy n' paste his name from your post - not used to typing it yet!) did a very good job in my book. Hope that shuts up all these gits who say "It's too soon!" or "He's only a boy!".
Also just read on SPEED dot com that Piquet is definitely out for Valencia, with Grosjean sinking his arse into a seat fitting as we speak... (not that I believe everything SPEED reports)...
See you in another few months...
Ben
anyone still awake?
Hello Dirty Scarab! It's been a while, no?
It's one thing in FP1, quite another in the race. We shall see on Sunday if the drivers were right or not. As they say, "If you're quick enough, you're old enough." Thing is, he hasn't been very quick, has he?
Let's see if it happens, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's true.
Indeed. But again, this has been rumored for ages now, so if it's true, it wouldn't be much of a surprise.
They are also tipping Jacques Villeneuve for USF1... (*gulp*)
Other journalists have been reporting it too, however. But none of our official sources. We shall see.
Meanwhile...
JA's new entry
Interesting part:
That came a bit out of the blue, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. It would make sense for USF1 from a marketing standpoint. And I guess they need someone experienced...
Interesting, too, how JA is stepping back from those Alonso to Ferrari rumors:
But if there's one team willing to pay out that much cash, it would be Ferrari.
I don't know where Brawn will find the money for Alonso. i don't know why Kubica would go from one struggling manufacturer to another.
This sounds awful but anyone but Danica Patrick is OK with me. Which is sad because I really want to see a women driver in F1.
The questions I have with Jacques is how much has in the tank and would he really come back for a noob?
If Alonso wants to drive for Brawn, he'll have to agree to a paycut. And given how Brawn's 2010 funding is being questioned, is that the best thing to do for Alonso?
As for Kubica, you make a very good point there. But the only other potential open seat is at McLaren - where he'd have to deal with Team Lewis. Would he rather be undisputed #1 in a slow-ish car, or would he rather go to a frontrunner team - and risk getting smashed by Lewis?
Why the hate for Danica? She's not that bad, is she?
Not much left in the tank, but desperate enough to drive for any F1 team right now.
I should of qualified that answer.
It not that I hate her. She has actually really improved her racing this year and has been caring the Andretti Green team. She done a bit of growing up this year.
I think it is a bad move for USF1 to hire her and for her to join USF1. I think it would create a really bad situation. She has a lot of baggage with her. She brings in a lot of sponsors true but it makes the team "DanciaF1" instead of "USF1." If you take away that sponsorship and media appeal there isn't much there. You will not win a race with her. I've watch her for six years in the IRL and just have never seen anything to make me think that she is F1 material.
For Dancia, she already spent time in England racing and didn't like it. She wants to stay stateside and earn the big bucks. She just sign a big deal with IMG which means her next move will be a big one. She wants to race in the IRL and dabble in NASCAR. She wants to be on a team that has a chance to win week in and out in both NASCAR and the IRL. Two organizations can do that are Penske and Ganassi. Penske won't do it because he already have too many drivers. Ganassi makes a lot of sense.
Back to F1, it is kind of a catch 22 with her. If she wants in, she is going to have to go back of the grid team. However, because of her name recognition, the way she is marketed, and the management around her she wants to be on a top of the grid team in anything she is in.
That came out a lot longer than I thought it would. Sorry for hogging all the space.
Don't worry about it - it makes a lot of sense.
I guess it's true, but if Danica's success now will be the reason for her not going to F1, that would be a bit sad.
Thanks,
I've actually really enjoyed her racing this year. I think she actually might be having be best season of all the Americans on the IRL grid.
Racing fans, especially old CART fans like myself get irrational with her sometimes because she was the face of the IRL and really help them lose less money than the CART championship. We get inundated with her commercials. I watch the Milwaukee Race with her a few weeks ago and counted 11 ads in a row that featured her. Plus in the past she has been known to be a extremely whiny and confrontational with other driver, but she has grown out of that a bit. Frankly she is the only thing that the IRL has going for it at the moment.
The amazing thing is that the IRL is starting to resemble the post split CART where the majority of the winners and grid was born outside the US and they pick the worse places to go racing. Not have Laguna Seca, Road America, Vancouver, and one of Portland, Lime Rock, or Road Atlanta on the calendar is absolutely insane. I hope with the new regime in the IRL thing can start getting better. People have lost interest and cannot relate to anyone on the grid outside of Danica. If I was NASCAR, I would give Hendrick's or another one of the big teams a $100 million under the table to throw at her to see if she would bit. It would KILL the IRL financially.
I think NASCAR is better off keeping IndyCar alive, crazy as it may sound. Why? A lack of competition would put all the pressure on NASCAR. Given that NASCAR is running into some problems of their own (the COT, declining ticket sales, Mayfield-gate), I think they're better off leaving IndyCar alone.
I would agree but the state of the IRL is so poor, that all the pressure is on NASCAR anyways. It is absolutely amazing how all dominating NASCAR has become. It is telling that ESPN and FoxSports only cover NASCAR and only give trivial coverage to the IRL. None of the major networks carry the IRL or any other race series but NASCAR. The only thing that is keeping the IRL alive is Danica. If NASCAR takes Danica, the IRL loose its' face and advertising revenue. Plus it completes for the France family's dream of completely destroy the series which was so dominating over NASCAR just 20 years ago.
im guessing danica will stay at indycar and be a big fish in a small pond. there are no guarantees she'd be anywhere nearly as successful at nascar as she's been at indycar.
here is an interesting look at engine usage
Good point. However, after seeing how the France family operates... it wouldn't surprised me. Every promising American driver in the IRL they've plucked for NASCAR, one with a lot success (Smoke) and everyone else with very little.
Hello Amy,
Wow, Kubica goes through engines this year faster than a fat kid through chocolate.
It's midnight here and qualifying starts at five. I think I am going to stay up tonight and do some reading and note taking for work. What a way to spend a Friday night.
sounds like my kind of night to be honest!
I don't know if anyone has noticed this...
But I think I now know why RG is such a fan of BMW... At least they like to pay him back from time to time. Check out the left and right scoops on the front wing and tell me if it doesn't say: "Go RG".
http://www.f1minute.com/2009/07/24/handling-difficulties/
You sir have an eagle eye.
ooooooooooh
I think he might be quite pleased by this show of support from the team :)
I just lied about my occupation on my tax return. Oooh.
OK that it, I got through 78 pages of a 366 of the new draft of the climate change bill in the Senate. I give up.
I am turning on the PS3 to race Hungary on F106:CE.
Go to Jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
:)
I am not collecting $200, I am collecting $660 :D I spoke to some of my colleagues and every single one of us got the same "invalid occupation" error so every single one of us chose another similar occupation instead. If I am going down we're all going down!
I was only joking. However I am with you better to take the whole company down!
Heheh I know. I don't like that I have already spent the money and I don't even have it yet :(
I don't know Australian tax laws but I think you will be OK.
I am the only person I know who didn't lie about their deductions to get a bigger refund so I think I'll be OK. I have Inland Revenue in my genes, I can't lie to a tax department :D
you're a goner Amy. If you're going to lie to a tax office, don't talk about it online! morning all!
what do you mean not all data online is secure? Do you mean I shouldn't have given my credit card number to that lovely Nigerian man who promised me an inheritance? ;)
I got that email too! We are so going to be rich. But to save you the hassle, you should just give me your credit card number and then I'll look after the paperwork for you. Because I care :)
Would you also like my mothers maiden name, the name of my first pet and my favourite sports team?
My bank actually asks for my great grandmothers name and because obviously I had four of them I always have to stop and think which one they want.
Your favourite sports team - i think i might be okay with that one! Federer's twins was top news in switzerland yesterday. i'm assuming that's what the story was. that country is obsessed...
They probably want your father's father's mother because it's easier.
I come to work on a weekend for free internet. The maintenance guy is near me cleaning his car ;)
It's funny but the modern marketing scams sound like marketing pitches to an 1990's Formula One backmarker. I can imagine the guys at Mastcard Lola trying something like that.
Yes that one might be a little obvious. I guess what else can they talk about? ;) Their only choices are Federer or Buemi, and the latter hasn't done anything newsworthy recently. The only other Swiss person I know is my friend Fran and she hasn't done much newsworthy either. Although she is a midwife...
hmm. exclusive photos?
I think Lola would have been nuts NOT to take any offers :)
What Peter Sauber doing these days? Hold it are we counting only people born is Switzerland or the people who moved there after they made lots and lots of money?
Good question. Once in a museum in Bern, I was looking at a list of "famous people from Bern", once I saw Stalin, I realised that it was really famous people that had spent any time at all in the city. i am now making any connection between Stalin and Sauber, just the flexibility of definitions.
Morning all.
There is a very successful scam going on at the moment where you get a telephone call from your credit card company. They tell you that they have detected unusual activity on your card. They say, "your card number is..." You look at your card... Yes that is the number on the card. They say, "we just need you to decide what you want us to do with the refunded money, take it off the bill or send you a cheque. Unfortunately only the card holder can make this decision. Can you give me your mother's maiden name just to confirm, good thank you, can you now give me the 3 digit security code on the back of the card. Thank you. Now which option would you like."
They get your card number and telephone number from old compromised websites before they brought in the three digit number. And because they called you and had your credit card number they are pretty believable.
Morning :)
who needs exclusive when you have hurried photoshopping
Wow. I had a similar experience years ago where the Telstra (major phone company in Australia) used to ring up and say they had some good offers, "but to ensure we're talking to the bill payer could you please provide us with your date of birth"? they were shocked when I refused. But that wasn't a scam, that was just they way they did business. idiots...
i see those crowns are still around :)
you can also see that Roger has won 15 grand slams by having three hands :D
I take it back, Buemi did something newsworthy, he sped in the pitlane during FP2 and was fined 1800 Euro :D
you know i never noticed that!
now webber has won a race, we can hype up another driver from Oz
I guess being Red Bull backed will help him get into/dumped from Torro Rosso ;)
at least his name is not Sebastien/ian/iän
at least his name is not Sebastien/ian
I am spending time this morning trying to make the 2 hours of shows I foolishly signed up for next weekend! :)
During the week I kept thinking, "ah yes I'll tackle that on the weekend". But then I remembered that this weekend there's a race! And we're going to a play this evening! Ah well I'm sure I'll muddle through :)
Surely one of your diary/calendar features alerted you to a clash of these things? what's the play?
But I think I now know why RG is such a fan of BMW… At least they like to pay him back from time to time. Check out the left and right scoops on the front wing and tell me if it doesn’t say: “Go RG”. {Comment #118}
That is really, really cool. RG didn't even have to pay for it (unless he knows something I don't). Now that's what I call acknowledging the supporters...
Time and the Conways
http://www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/42735/productions/time-and-the-conways.html
What a pity the other angles show the fact that this wasn't RG having a big impact :(
shhh ;)
I know of Priestley's work, but not familiar with it. Enjoy your intellectual evening, just don't write your podcast shows at the same time :)
I love how even the national theatre even link to wikipedia for the play description. very tempted to vandalise that page for all the people that look it up today.
I spoke to some of my colleagues and every single one of us got the same “invalid occupation” error so every single one of us chose another similar occupation instead. If I am going down we’re all going down! {Comment #126}
I wonder if the lack of people in your profession will be taken as a sign of the recession rather than a programming error?
An Inspector Calls is the play most people know...
This one is a bit of a serious commitment to culture though. It's 3 and half hours long and has two intervals!
Two intervals for the actors to learn their lines for the next acts? Or for the uncommitted audience members to think about leaving, and then not, and then have a second chance bonus interval. I love theatre, but if it's longer than 2 hours, I need a commercial break.
Guys,
Last night (at 3am) I posted a link to my blog, so in case you missed it, I have written a post comparing Vettel and Webber here
Thanks it was an interesting post - I think it is entirely feasible for Mark to have a repeat win tomorrow over team mate and Red Bull's closest rivals may well be McLaren and not Brawn.
*waves from daily*
over 'ere.
Daily feels like home.
we need a welcome mat.
i agree. :)
am thinking this is a job for Lukeh when he gets back :)
Yup, indeed.
daily is better than home actually. I haven't once lost my keys in here.
there's always a first ;)
i tried and failed to get onto autosport.com
sidepodconspiracy to stop me leaving ever? Losing my keys often stops me leaving the house. I did notice today that all the glass in the door to my apartment complex is shattered. Maybe someone else lost their keys :D
great.... not the FIAgt live timings are down... i'll never get to find out how Ant's doing at this rate..
radiolemans.com
fun neighbourhood then?
ooo!!! thank you, almost forgot about them!
inner city. I was already pleased it is swipe access only, now I am pleased the glass is pretty strong.
okay Davidson's car is 7th :)
i think i'll stay and comment in the daily while everyone continues to comment in the live commenting thread ;)
That's good Lou. You're in the right place :)
I am in both. Multitasking ;)
This is why I switched to the Doohickey earlier!
Nice in here innit!
Take me to Singapore - not an Aussie!
You've got to get to Australia first ;)
it's where i am. i'm just in silent mode. show me a photo of a panda to wake me up;)
yay for multi tasking ;)
From the google cache text only version of James Allen blog. From yesterday (i.e. 24-07-09):
"Half of the UK contingent here in Budapest have been without mobile phones today as O2 had a problem which mean no coverage. This affected a lot of the BBC people and Brawn too."
I got annoyed when Vodafone crashed at the Aus GP! Didn't they know I had to twitpic? Didn't they know their logo was all over my shirt?
It affected guys from my office who were out in the states too. It was a really massive fail from O2.
obviously f1 timing was in on that as well.
Should we pick a thread to be in?
@fakepiquetjr is trying to make fun of Massa getting injured. HUMOUR FAIL.
Am thinking we should stick to the daily...
All the Massa stuff should be in the daily right? No live coverage = daily thread time?
yep... everyone who isn't already please jump into the daily ;)
hmm.
Massa's onboard video from the object hitting his head is here
fotos are here. skip 7 and 9 if you're squeamish (same photo as the one we talked about before). shows the object in the air, the car in the wall, and sever shots of massa getting helped in and out of the car, into helicopter, some shots of the car as well.
i mean *of* the object. nothing squeamish on this.
i'd drop that feed, like the real piquet.
Rubens says he is on the way to see Felipe in the hospital
I'm liking the pic of the sleeping panda when the LCLT is shown as doing the same :D
He justifies it by saying his wound is superficial. That's not the point!
Looking at the pic of the object striking Massa's head, I can safely say that looks like a spring.
I dropped all the fakes apart from the original, fakemarkwebber, a while back. There was just too much tweeting and the humour value was very low.
The video of the crash is not that bad - but then neither is the Surtees one when you think about it. But that picture ... my wife knows nothing of F1 and she was shocked too!
i stay away from tweeter. i can't keep up with emails i care about, i don't need to branch out that much.
its nice that Rubens is going to the hospital. I like that some of the F1 drivers actually care about each other. The Brazilians seem to be quite tight.
I'm guessing Michael might be en route to Budapest too, if he's not too busy right now.
That is something positive, I just hope the initially fairly positive reports lead to a full and rapid recovery. He is going to need to be in hospital for at least 48 hours though.
Got this from a facebook friend:
Nel 1994, 15 anni fa, il piu' grande campione di ogni tempo perse la vità per un puntone della sospensione che penetro' nel suo casco, all'altezza della visiera. Una settimana Surtees...18 anni, ha perso la vita in formula 2 a causa di una ruota finita in pieno casco, oggi, Massa, ha rischiato grosso e deve la vita al fatto che la molla non è pesante come una ruota ne sottile come un puntone. ABITACOLI CHIUSI.
I agree. it's nice to see human drivers for a change, like webber's non PR made scream, and the drivers running around today after qualy. nice :)
The Brazilians have always seemed very close though haven't they. Like Rubens and Senna... Heikki and Kimi seem to be close too... and then there is JB and DC shame Lewis isn't that close with the other brits really.
domenicali said on RAI (italian tv) that he won't race. but no other comment that i'm aware of.
you want a translation?
Mr Raikkonen and Mr Kovalainen watch the races together. I think that is very sweet :)
:D
Yes please :)
This is what Babelfish says:
If there were another Australian Mark would likely be closer to that driver (even of they were NZ) - shared culture plus competing away from home and similar experiences.
Afternoon, can anyone enlighten me as to what happened in the end with the Qualy. I had to go out during the major confusion when they didn't know how anyone had done.....
ooh great... the cat's just dropped a mouse in the lounge.... of all the times to be having to run around after a small mouse...
That's why I asked Scott in Italy who speaks Italian to have a go.
fish of Babel sense speak not so gibberish thinks it.
That was cause for great celebration two weeks ago when my nieces came running over and told me their kitten had caught a mouse!
@fakepiquetjr is trying to make fun of Massa getting injured. HUMOUR FAIL. {Comment #196}
Yuck! I'll stick to @fakeyujiide for my Fake F1 humour...
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/07/25/hungary-fp3-and-qualifying-times-2/
Nel 1994, 15 anni fa, il piu' grande campione di ogni tempo perse la vità per un puntone della sospensione che penetro' nel suo casco, all'altezza della visiera. Una settimana Surtees...18 anni, ha perso la vita in formula 2 a causa di una ruota finita in pieno casco, oggi, Massa, ha rischiato grosso e deve la vita al fatto che la molla non è pesante come una ruota ne sottile come un puntone. ABITACOLI CHIUSI.
in 1994, 15 years ago, the greatest champion of all time lost his life for a strut of suspension that penetrates his helmet above his visor. one week[ago] surtees...18 years old, has lost in life in formula 2 of the cause of a wheel that hit him right in the helmet. today, massa, has had a gross risk to his life and it must be that he survived because the object was not heavy like a strut.
i'd take a mix of both of our translations. you get the idea ;)
its nice that Rubens is going to the hospital. I like that some of the F1 drivers actually care about each other. The Brazilians seem to be quite tight. {Comment #210}
This is heart-warming. Good on you, Rubens, and hope you get good news when you get there :)
thing is... my cat brings it into the house... and then leaves me to catch the damn thing.
not a very smart cat, that one...
Thanks Christine!!
Did they decide the was Ruben's fault in the end?
massa hands were definately on the wheel when it hit. just watched an onboard replay.
Ah not good. The kitten left it on the doorstep, so all ok here!
It wasn't Rubens' fault per se, but the part did fall off from his car.
she's too smart... that's her problem ;) she likes to play with the mouse, then lets us catch it once she gets bored.
If you change that to "Rubens car's fault" then yes
I noted that with some concern - they should take their hands off the wheel if there is no way to avoid the accident.
That should be an instinctive reaction, implying that the impact must have impaired Massa's brain function somewhat...
Wasn't the accident caused because he wasn't thinking properly, he didn't steer at all, I doubt he was thinking to move his hands off the wheel. Thank god he managed to brake.
just rewatched. he doesn't do any steering after the hit of the object so i doubt he was fully aware. just rewatched and his right hand was down (and may have been off)
I think that is a given, considering he momentarily forgot how to steer ;)
I'd imagine it would have been similar to being unexpectedly punched in the face by Mike Tyson
i was just thinking about this. i'm not sure he did brake. are their skid marks on the track? the only marks i saw were off the track - in sand - because if you drive a car through sand it leaves lines. even without braking
oo its nearly 5... weights should be up soon :)
have a read of Joe Saward's blog
except you *usually* know that's going to happen. estimates from italian media have him about 280 km/h.
we'll see :)
I cant believe I'm still awake! I almost never stay up this late.
Telemetry showed 100% brake+throttle
In Tom Pryce's accident (also a head injury) apparently he kept his foot on the throttle too. I am not saying it is the same, but just that it could have been how his brain reacted to the crash.
Joe on his blog says that the team said it was just caused by the car going over the rough ground rather than braking.
welcome to the dark side. I'm getting up at 8am. Painful.
I came to the same conclusion there was no sign of driver inputs once he was hit on the helmet. The braking could even have been involuntary bracing. Not a questions of forgetting there will be certain shut downs of the body's sensory apparatus.
From @NobleF1 on twitter
!
i think by his feet falling on the pedals, than any deliberate effort
Quick question - for my radio show, if I wanted to put songs in there, could I just play them off Musicalley or would I need to buy them?
Good lord.
What are you up to that early?
I came home full of beans about going to Oran Park tomorrow to watch Paul in his MX-5 and just generally hang out at a race track again. Not getting up early now!
They have to be pod safe for public broadcast
Not just stitches? Uh-oh.
agreed.
blimey. that's major. any idea what the recovery time with something like that is?
I am really not sure I like the sound of that, I feel somewhat upset.
I am going to a craft fair. Damn right I'm a nerd.
Blimey, you'd think the press would be more careful before they say "just so you know, Felipe is fine" at the press conference
iasked christine about the music selection on the post for that topic but never asked about buying them or using them. nice question.
They are - they're off the Musicalley from Mevio site.
Sounds like a fracture
musicalley is fine. you just need to tell us what you've played.
hmmm. hard to tell. the most serious injury we've had before this was ralf hitting the wall at indy 2004 - he missed 6 races with that.
Oh my god!!! :( poor Massa. That's pretty upsetting :( i hope he'll be okay.
OK, so when I'm recording do I just play it off the site and it will pick it up?
So do I. Reckon he will be out for a while
[waits for official news]
All signs are positive so far though. We can never 'know' for sure, but I for one, am staying positive. We have a few weeks before the next race and I highly doubt Felipe will miss it.
I hope his wife is doing OK too. I always worry about pregnant women who have to go through really stressful events.
no. you need to tell us. email or wiki i would guess.
if they suspect brain damage, it can be weeks/months/years. he'd be 99% fine, but it's that 1% you have to worry about.
the operation can be plastic surgery for a bone fracture to the eye socket/skull which is minor but still not suitable for racing. i think the man will be fine, but doubt he'll be racing for a little while. fingers crossed.
Ah OK, no problem :)
Will there be only 19 drivers on the grid tomorrow then!
Sounds like it
jonny noble is as official as it gets. especially with 5live backing him up.
I'd presume so.... You're not allowed to put in your reserve after qualifying me thinks
Ok, thanks
oh goodness! of course, i'd forgotten she was pregnant.
Jonny Noble:
Have just spoken to Barrichello about the Massa incident. He thinks after the events of Brands Hatch and today, something has to be done
I agree. Freak accidents or not, it feels like it did in 1994 all over again :(
If he needs an operation, isn't the answer quite obvious?
Dare I say that these things happen in three's?
Be nice Scott!
hmm. but what can you do aside from close the cockpit?
do we want to see that?
Indeed. Forget the politics for a sec, this MUST be a priority.
gavin are you sure about 100% brake and throttle when Massa hit the wall?
i found this screenshot AFTER the hit and it's just 100% throttle. as I'm saying this was after the hit. i just never paid attention to the telemetry but now i'm looking for it.
I think he was asking if a reserve driver can step in
and the answer to that is no. empty grid position
i agree... aren't these just accidents... how can you stop a rear suspension failing?
really not...
AUTOSPORT reporting on the injuries as told by Noble
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77276
you say that, but nothing can be done, apart from covering the cock pits
*imagines old men sitting around saying things like "in my day we raced with..."
i think everyone might be thinking that this weekend.
you can't legislate for every conceivable problem. rubens is overreacting.
if anything, helmet manufacturers need to take these things onboard, but there's only so much that can be done.
Jake says the BBC waited before they were sure about what happened before showing the reply. I assume as 5live are commenting for the radio they would have the world feed anyway..
Maybe that is a must? I dunno. But clearly, we have had a lot of near misses lately and it seems like the luck has run out...
It's a dangerous sport, we know this
Ollie has proof: http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/07/25/hungary-2009-felipe-massa-crashes-out-of-qualifying/
Presumably Brawn were as careful as they could have been when putting Ruben's ar together. So far, they've been pretty bulletproof, it's not like bits are falling off right and left in which case I might suggest severe fines for the offenders
surtees accident cant really be stopped against, but id agree that for helmet protection it needs to be improved for smaller things
Possibly a stupid question, but how did Massa get a cut on his forehead when he was wearing a helmet?
live italian tv just said "he's good" but nothing new.
the pic shows that the visor broke.
yeah i think helmet manufacturers should do something to reinforce them a little more, but i can't see what the drivers can do...
Through the visor, or it may have lifted?
Ah OK, thanks.
I believe you now :) It's not that I didn't before, I just wanted to see your evidence.
Interesting that the screen clearly shows he is braking but the team say 'those marks aren't from braking'
visors dont lift by themselves
When hit by flying suspension parts?
Fair enough ... it's hard to make sense of it all at the moment!
if they aren't from braking the ferrari must be so hard on its tyres as to never be able to complete a lap.
Media control kicking in
Perhaps some form of (larger?) windscreen is a partial answer? The drivers already sit incredibly low and something to attempt a deflection of anything coming towards the driver's face?
Surtees' visor also lifted - it appears the coil hit the top of the visor and broke it - that would be quite sharp!
the visor is only attached to the helmet on one side - the other side was detached clean.
That said, the "screens" did go a bit mental today. It could easily be the sensors that are broken rather than the brakes.....
maybe the way the cars are 100% throttle + 100% brake = no effect from brake.
yeah it's not like the car did a Red Bull of a few years ago and fall to bits. i'm thinking Brawn would have checked over and over again if only for the cost of having to repair the car if it breaks.
Brking would be certainly reduced if throttle was on and car in gear
yeah. it's taken an hour before I've started looking for things.
On a Sim, it would slow you down but the effect would be massively reduced. I have no idea what would happen in real life...
it would be from a part failing, not just falling off because it wasnt done up hard enough
I've never tried to 100% accelerate and brake at the same time. Probably a good thing I don't have a car at the moment or I'd go experiment.
the clutch would blow up
anyone for go karting tomorrow?
i remember being told by different people over the years of what to do if your throttle jams, correct me if i'm wrong but step 1 is turn off the ignition switch, and then failing that, hit neutral. thoughts anyone?
neutral and brake
Have you tried doing that at 100mph after being hit in the head by a coil?
Felipe Massa will need to undergo an operation for his injuries – which include a head cut, bone damage to his skull and a brain concussion {Comment #256}
That is serious. At that point, four weeks may not be enough. Though how long is enough is like asking "how long is a piece of string?"
Hope the operation goes well for Felipe and he recovers well and quickly. I feel sorry for him :(
On a slightly different note, I'm pleased at how many drivers mentioned their concern for Felipe in their press statements. I'm sure it was never this widespread in the past.
I remember asking my dad once what I should do if he has a heart attack while driving. He didn't really appreciate the question, but he did answer it and your answer rings a bell.
i am not drawing a connection between the two. just going off on a tangent.
Any weights yet?
Hmmmm it depends what "bone damage" means..... It could be proper skull fracture or it might even be nothing once the tissue swelling goes down.
you wouldn't cut the ignition Jon?
whilst being partially uncontious
nope.
Yeah I know. My point was, even if he knew what to do, the situation may have made it difficult to do it!
with the Amy vs Scott In Italy battle? You'll be the first to know.
From JA's Twitter:
Intensive Care? :(
Depends if you had time surely? It wouldn't be my first action,if you're in neutral it doesn't matter how hard your foot is on the throttle..... You can sort it out once you've stopped.
anyone for go karting tomorrow? {Comment #335}
I am planning a go-karting expedition (possibly October), but there's no way I'm trying to gather a group together at 24 hours' notice - or attempting to brake and accelerate at 100% simultaneously (bearing in mind the Teamworks people reckoned that would break the kart).
standard procedure for a head injury.
*after* you and me right? or is Journeyer playing a long today. it's 1-1-1 isn't it?
well yeah of course, but if you're partially unconscious then you have to work out whats easiest, and likelyhood you wouldnt think about what you were doing, you'd just brake
I can play along. :D
it's standard to put someone in intensive care after any operation to the brain or head. it's a precaution...
that was the FIAs fault!
hehe
That's what hire karts are for. Right after they tell you not to :P
I think I sorta did that the last time I went go-karting. From what I remember, the rear end locked up and I spun a bit.
do you think they got fed up with you slamming their servers?
Where we're going, we don't need rules.
When you do it at my local place they give you "hand gestures"
i was never talking about massa's incident, just a general standard road car throttle jam. as someone who spun a car on a freeway at high speeds (tyre popped), i assure you braking is not always the best thing to do.
that, or they are just incompetent :D
today will tell?
you think once every 10 seconds is too much?
i think it already did with live timing;)
too much for what? to bring it down, no. to get noticed, yes.
in that situation, braking is never the best thing to do. turn into it (and depending on which tyre has popped and whether the car is FWD/RWD/4WD) and put the power on
6 times a minute? I've done HUNDREDS by then ;)
i'm not worried about being noticed. i suspect amy is doing it more than once every second though ;)
[might make a slight change to the script then]
:D
i was seriously concerned about my dad having a heart attack whilst driving! he had had major heart surgery! but that was 10 years ago now, I have gotten over my fear of being in a car with him :D
No. You'll lose steering and braking assistance. You'll possibly also turn it off too far and the steering lock will come into play.
I guess it all depends on the cars age and technical ability (rev limiter?) and whether you are in danger of crashing or can just coast to a stop.
I need to stop giving away my secrets. :D
Ooh, anyone got any live feeds for the Spa 24 Hours?
I am concerned next time I am behind the wheel this might be me
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2672796/Honey-I-sank-the-Porsche
I haven't driven over a year, and my next attempt will be a narrow windy coastal road that I never liked when I drove it regularly :D
I would suggest the MWM listeners collective on Facebook.
yep. http://www.fiagt.com/live.php
Davidson's car now 6th :)
I wouldn't be applying more throttle. Just ease off everything. I think Scott was saying he spun because he braked, not because of the initial tyre deflation.
Looks like they're currently under yellows at Spa, not sure why.
i get that. it's a good question to ask. handy hint - if your car makes a noise, and you're not sure where it's coming from, stop the car.
Again, Karting solves many problems and answers many questions.
I have remembered some things. Last night my flatmate said "you know how when you drive, and you accelerate with your left foot"
"no?"
the tyre popped. i then spun. then i had to keep the car on the road without hitting the cars on my side of the road, or the other side of the road, heading off the side of the freeway, and well...i did put on the brakes at a few points, but had to come off when i was going to roll the car. all wheel drive subaru.
or, turn up the stereo until you can't hear it.
the track was wet earlier... seems alright now... i've not been watching for about 1/2 hour so can't tell you :(
Is that yellow pace car a Weismann?
mental note: don't get in car with amy.
I've been in a car when the brakes failed, luckily we weren't going that fast and the driver had the presence of mind to use the handbrake
I have a fantastic driving record :D
how did the brakes fail?
I got a compliment on my driving ability the other day. Someone left a yellow note on my windscreen saying "Parking: Fine"
:)
my brakes failed once in my mini after I seriously over worked them going down a ridiculously steep hill. My poor car.
How nice of them
Ouch, that Corvette is mullered.
eek.
Even the crazy countries where they sit on the wrong side of the car know that right foot down means go faster.
Anyone who drives an automatic (or manual if you're game) should really try left foot braking. It doesn't take long to learn and has saved me several times.
i used to do it in the work car - an automatic - just because i thought it would be interesting to get an idea of how to do it. never had to seriously do it but the fact is, it's faster. but jeremy are you talking about rally driving here or normal driving "saving".
Coming back from a rally in Canberra, my brakes caught fire after coming down Macquarie Pass rather enthusiastically in the Beetle at 2am. The guys at the roadworks at the bottom thought it was funny.
I drove an automatic once when my flatmate got really drunk and then tried to drive to her boyfriends house and the only way to stop her was to drive her myself. I had no idea they don't start without your foot on the brake, that they don't slow down when you stop accelerating, and that you can't take the key out unless its in park. Stupid cars.
When we got there though she said "I love you soooo much I'll give you some petrol money!"
I didn't point out the error in that logic.
Not that you can really compare it, but left foot braking is all I've known so far, thanks to all the sim racing I've done.
Both, but mostly road driving, and by saving, I mean from minor rear enders and major stuff like people pulling out of intersections on me.
phew. after much running.. and it climbing up the inside of my trousers, i have caught the mouse!
Eeek! Literally!
should have taken the money ;) automatic cars are great. they are like toy cars to me after driving a manual all my life.
i wasn't best pleased... and may have screamed just a little bit... but i got it! mwahaha. and it's back outside where it belongs.
I did take her money, and then I went to buy some food and visit my boyfriend too. I didn't like my flatmate, I was more than willing to use her petrol AND get paid for it :D
is this with an auto? cos i would only ever do left foot break in a manual in a mega emergency.
I love getting presents but not so much from pets :-)
smart work :)
I would never ever buy one though, unless I lived in a city where I got stuck in traffic a lot. I enjoy my driving, and I enjoy actually controlling the driving rather than just steering :D
likewise. i live in a town where a traffic jam is caused by a tractor. it's funny, but i'm over it.
If the F1 guys can do it, so can I. All I really need is launch control. I'm guessing that was never an option on my Honda... I keep a manual car around for the occasional loony moments.
My automatic is a toy car!
who's on pole?
i just want a steering wheel like them. i can live without launch control
heheh :)
they have flappy things though! They are still changing gear!
Mostly auto but I could get the rear out in the WRX with some carefully timed applications. Not that I really needed to - it had enough power to show all those 'but RWD is more fun' peeps that they were wrong.
Evening peoples.
Heard about qualifying from lou's always awesome updates... sounds completely mad...
jake has the fuel info?
WRX hey? interesting. still got all the points on the license?
asking or telling? FIA have not posted it.
telling. he says:
"Fernando light, 12 laps of fuel. Rest of the boys almost identical fuel and stopping around L19...but Jenson is heaviest top 10 car, 25 laps"
i guess it goes up in the media centre before it goes on the website, the timestamp on the document is always a lot before the time it goes up.
he has?
I would prefer flappy paddles to the buttons on the wheel I currently have, but at least I have seven 'gears' (increments) to play with - just like the F1 guys!
When I say auto, i really mean ones with an acceptable manual function. which they pretty much all have now. I would have any auto with the dual clutch manual function thingy that VW, Porsche, Ferrari and BMW use.
+6 laps. there is still hope, but he better be able to stay with the leaders.
I could pretend my toy car was an F1 since the engine is in the rear and you change gears on the steering wheel. After that all comparisons break down cos its dead slow, handles like a bus and ride bumps like a pogo stick.
Maybe shared in the paddock first before being realised on t'internet?
ahh. boo to jake.
are we still on?
i got a media pass for one sporting event here in italy. should try for the fia.
better hope there's no safety car.
yeah it's still a battle for us:)
so Jenson would have been heaviest anyway... even if he hadn't have had the extra 4 laps of fuel in the car....
Many moons ago now. Boring Honda old man car now :-(
My hotted up GTi Swift doesn't get out much anymore...
why?
not a good time for my network connection to start misbehaving.
for spoiling the fun. amy has to be first on twitter. it's the law.
oh... maybe you should tell him? :P
me and journeyer are doing that :)
a certain blogger was first last week, and then sent me a DM to rub it in.
Cutting the throttle also cut power assistance to steering and braking
*Cutting the ignition, I mean
i guess i learnt that before the cars i was driving had those things!
if it's who i think it is, you being first even once must've cut him deep :)
go amy!
you playing favourites? ;)
you dont count, you're not on twitter. no favourites in the spc race :D
I am angry at drop.io. It won't load.
aah shucks for the last part. not so sure about "you don't count". grrr...
5live appear to be saying massa can be replaced, but only with a driver currently in the field.
buemi to ferrari tomorrow?
exactly.
Go to bed Amy! :-)
As I am. Goodnight all.
Best wishes to Felipe and all associated with him.
kimi to drive his car, a magnum to drive the other.
oh...
that would be interesting...
...alonso? =))
but if it has to be from the current field, that team would only have to run 1 car.
buemi's the most likely bet, i guess. but the ferrari would start where buemi qualified then?
night Jeremy. i was going to call you a slacker for going now but just looked at my australian east coast clock. 2:52 am. yikes ;)
i'm lost now :)
Speaking of twitter, I am confused by my twitter angel who disappeared after Melbourne, then came back with one update on July 9 "Belting along the Autobahn in light rain on my way to the Nurburgring. A Porsche just passed doing about 160mph..." and since hasn't been seen.
would toro rosso be happy with that though?
what's a twitter angel?
str have ferrari engines. and it will not be algeawhatsit.
no. where massa qualified, surely?
James Allen blog is back.
if they want more engines?
back weekend for le seb not to be around.
damn. i wasn't trying hard enough :)
http://twitter.com/glendix/status/1381258707
Every time I am sad I remember that tweet and life is good again :D
no that part I'm okay on, it was more a case of if a driver changes teams, is it the car/driver qual position that counts.
i could write a script for you ;)
:)
have just asked 5livef1.
:)
you mean bad? well, would ferrari have gotten bourdais had he been the guy in the other car...?
mm, true. probs not.
"Ross Brawn confirms that the part that hit Felipe Massa was the spring from a damper on Barrichello's car - weighing around 800 grammes"
http://twitter.com/NobleF1/statuses/2839541346
Jon Noble on twitter
"Ross Brawn confirms that the part that hit Felipe Massa was the spring from a damper on Barrichello's car - weighing around 800 grammes"
The FIA Elections has its own set of pages. Feel free to ignore if you're not interested:
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/the-fia/governance/elections/Pages/fia_elections_home.aspx
I still want to know who this guy is. Tweets like "Sitting in a meeting to discuss whether we should corporately be using twitter..." and "Opened the new F1 exibition this morning at the Science Museum. Ron very happy with 'his' speech. I love that place." and " Doing a run through of team principals' presentations an hour before the FOTA press conference in Geneva. Like herding cats." say "quite high in the team" to me.
Back when he was only following me and F1_Girl she was sure he was a mechanic. No way.
I'm going to give up posting twitter links... someone always beats me to it :P
ow. delighted he's alive :) gees.
he's only got 140chars.
i think he might have written Ron's speech.
soz. you go first. i don't even like twitter remember.
but whooo is he? I should have asked the McLaren girl at the cricket "who put my name on this list" but I was too excited about the fact it wasn't a hoax and that someone at McLaren knew my name to think at the time :D
That's a surprise - I think if I was Ferrari and STR I would come to an agreement - it would be good experience for Buemi.
who is he? your future husband if he's single. maybe even if he's not ;)
interesting tweet:
"Ferrari ABS? conveniently spaced lockup marks!"
http://www.sutton-images.com/preview.asp?filename=d09hun1108.jpg
not is cool. the less i have to use my touch pad the better... tis very very hot atm... i'm going to need some sort of fan....
would having your foot on both pedals do that?
I'd much rather the lovely McLaren guy who showed us around the pits. I had a good chat to him, he was very heartable :D
A little bouncing perhaps?
Not to mention now may not be the best time to speculate on that.
No. Solid lines.
that's odd. i agree with bassano that it might be bouncing, but still not the pattern i'd expect in a fully functional car.
abs?
That's a bit illegal isn't it?
very.
With abs - thats kind of what you would see. I'd expect to see less of the black though.
Which of the Ferrari's did that then?
Absolutely as it is a driving aid like traction control.
Getting the most amount of Retweets, that one
Massa's, before he hit the tyre barrier
need to reset which takes so long I have no doubt I will lose the weights race :(
stay for the challenge!
news has been delayed, amy. who knows, might not be up yet by the time you're back.
I guessed that there may be contact with the barrier from that image. :D
I think it is the undulations in the surface - would need higher resolution image though to say positively.
JA blog saying that KERS is worth 18 metres on the start so will probably beat the two Red bull cars to the first corner. but that might depend on the weights which are known to Jake at BBC but not to the FIA website, and there people like us :(
but...my internet....I have stayed. But it can go at anytime.
An Alonso-Hamilton fight at the front will hinder RBR and help Jenson stay in touch.
this is the latest I've seen. but not surprised after what happened today. i just don't get why the fia don't have a more efficient system to post it to everyone within 5 minutes. must be italian.
they know I'm getting up in 5 hours and are laughing their heads off.
you mean because of the dirty air in front of the RBR cars?
yup. not to mention the track itself.
it's all about you :)
Certainly if both RBR got behind one or both Maccas it would help Jenson. Alonso being light is likely to avoid being taken at the start though.
obviously. Q3 was delayed by what, 10-15 minutes? Weights are delayed by an hour :D
Because Lewis cold jump them on the way to the first corner
News on Ant Davidson in the Spa 24 his car is currently still 6th, tis raining ALOT and there is a safety car out while debris is being cleared from the track.
It's like SidepodTime ;)
just for that, I am not buying the FIA anything at the craft fair.
Although the air from Vettel's car won't be so since it's not Kate's sister ;)
:D
Just a guess but I assumed the tyre marks were made before impact ;)
We are Brazilians and sometimes we have a family, sometimes we don't, and when we wake up all we want to see is someone we know. I wanted to be there in case there was not anybody from the family there.
Rubens is the sweetest man ever :D
aawwwww.
That's such a nice thing to do
aww Rubens is amazing :)
How can anyone dislike this man?
Absolute legend.
Rubens Q&A is on autosport just in case anyone hadn't realised this is where that quote is from :)
I don't know if I agree with him on
Q. A week after the Henry Surtees incident at Brands Hatch, we've had another driver hit on the head here. Is it pure coincidence?
RB: No. I honestly don't believe in coincidence in life. Things happen for a reason and I think this is the second message.
But I do believe in coincidence.
Lou, keep watching the Spa live feed, you might hear an e-mail from me get read out ;)
i'm not listening to it sadly as my bandwidth doesn't seem to want to cope... am watching live timings though :)
Ah, bad times.
Other tyre marks in that image are constant lines not broken.
i think it was coincidence, it's open wheel racing... what else can be done except reinforcing the helmets?..
OK, anyone who happens to be watching the live feed LOL
Blimey, that has taken long
Specuation now about Ruben's and a retirement decision
Sheesh!
sorry :(
weights are finally out on the FIA site or try the main page which will have the link in a few moments.
http://fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/hun09_weights.pdf :P
oh.. well i suppose once someone exhausts one subject they move onto the next...
YEEESSS!!
snap ;)
ohnoes, keep these men apart:
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/1313784
[Breaks out party poppers]
ooh.
Scott wins by 7 seconds.
I win on twitter, even with pressing 'enter' instead of hitting 'post'. oops.
Crikey, Fernando was literally running on fumes!
Well, Timo won't be using his super big tank tomorrow then
it wasnt there when i hit post! boo!
have retweeted (twice in my excitement).
Scott has you got this months F1 Racing?
Kubica answers a question talking about his experiences with games like Rfactor, richard burns rally, etc... thought it might interest you.
me or the other Scott? no for me.
this is mighty close stuff, i gotta admit. 2-1-1 to Scott.
wow. am impressed by both.
i saw amy's first because of the very long link.
Indeed
Oops, Scott Woodwiss I should've said.
not really important but looks like we've found the reason Rubens doesn't use the Brawn colours on his helmet
Visibility is already getting a bit difficult and because for the show itself, if I use the helmet that I am supposed to use, not even the mechanics know if it is me or Jenson because we are very low in the car. But from the protection side it is quite good. although can't the team see the camera bar is a different colour and the number on the car?...
i say scott's first because he had the time to format it in his comment, and not just paste the link. :D
scott went to the effort to link it properly whereas my brain goes AHH SOMETHING IS LOADING! PANIC! HIT POST ON TWITTER! CTRL+V ON SPC!
Ooh interesting, I'll have to pick it up one morning next week before work. Cheers :P
:D
:D
hehe :)
Most people's instinct is to look at the helmet first, I guess. Although the camera bar is a more definite source, I'd agree.
i was just going to write "weights". but figured i'd post a decent message for anyone coming along.
looks like the drivers all want to improve safety... and by drivers i mean brawn drivers
JB on twitter
"My thoughts go out to Felipe after his horrific accident today.. This shows there is still more we need to do on safety."
http://twitter.com/The_Real_JB/statuses/2839911809
I am pleased to see Heikki is heavier than Lewis. I was concerned Lewis would be heavier and faster which would make me :( :(
I do that on twitter, but its preloaded and ready for me to hit the button. Note to self: enter doesn't make it post.
Good news from Noble
"Felipe Massa has undergone successful surgery at the AEK hospital and will remain under observation in intensive care. More news tomorrow"
NO!!! It dosent!
Noble's tweet:
Felipe Massa has undergone successful surgery at the AEK hospital and will remain under observation in intensive care. More news tomorrow
Noble on Massa
"Felipe Massa has undergone successful surgery at the AEK hospital and will remain under observation in intensive care. More news tomorrow"
it does in tweetdeck. what are you using
Tenths of a second apart?
RG ahead of BC and Lou. ;)
[question mark]
I always just use the main twitter site for the weights. Sometimes when my network is wonky my clients dont post, and there can be no delays with such important data!
We're all too competitive aren't we :)
hehe :) i thought about getting the script to do my post for me, but all it does not is go "beep" when the page has something there.
:)
You and Lou posted at THE SAME TIME. RG was ahead by 7 seconds - just like Scott...
Course not...
understood. and yay for not rebooting.
Has lou tried tweeting Jenson? He does seem to reply to people. :P
we need more accurate comment times.
indeed - now, it's 3:30 AM over there, Amy. don't you need to be up at 8? ;)
i'd still be waiting for it to load. I curse myself for leaving my system recovery discs in NZ, I really need to give this thing a nice deep clean and start all over again.
aren't the ones here accurate?
amy, you're feeling very sleepy.
as in, to the milisecond.
all you need is a clock you can swing from side to side. ;)
put it on the list? ;)
all nighter? I still need to vacuum and have a shower!
I tweeted to Jenson to use Twitpic for pics and sure enough he did!
How about you put a clock at hte top that stops when you click post comment, then we can all compare times when we've posted ;)
oooh wait, wasnt that ;)
i think so :)
Get a...
[Mustn't start that one again]
if only because macs suffer the same slow down problem. both of ours need a reinstall.
not sure if this is completely correct. but i have a new script to sort out the grid.
1 7 Fernando Alonso Renault 637.5
2 15 Sebastian Vettel RBR Renault 655.0
3 14 Mark Webber RBR Renault 652.0
4 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 650.5
5 16 Nico Rosberg Williams Toyota 654.0
6 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren Mercedes 655.5
7 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 651.5
8 22 Jenson Button Brawn Mercedes 664.5
9 17 Kazuki Nakajima Williams Toyota 658.0
11 12 Sébastien Buemi STR Ferrari *671.5
12 9 Jarno Trulli Toyota *671.3
13 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn Mercedes *689.0
14 10 Timo Glock Toyota *679.2
15 8 Nelsinho Piquet Renault *667.7
16 6 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber *658.0
17 21 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India Mercedes *680.5
18 20 Adrian Sutil Force India Mercedes *683.5
19 5 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber *666.0
20 11 Jamie Alguersuari STR Ferrari *675.5
----
Lightest: 16 Nick Heidfeld *658.0
Heaviest: 8 Jenson Button 664.5
so close!! lol
Isn't it a little late for hoovering?
good man.
don't you know that vaio is the mac of the pc world? apparently. If they mean 'expensive' they are right.
I do my best work at night.
i blame steven, he promised me we could have a games night ages ago and we still haven't had one :P
I think Anando was slightly bit lighter than that, just a bit.
I'm getting that way too
Will probably wait for SL in September though
my script got confused looking for massa though. need to rewrite.
Check out who is in pole... ;)
:D
told you it wasn't right ;) maybe the rest is rubbish.
have tweeted Rubens, Jenson and Jessica many times... no reply :(
your script thinks bourdais is still there, i'd say it's more than confused, it's IN THE PAST.
ah but even a little sleep is good... you don't want to fall asleep during the race...
hehehehe.
i'll edit that :)
hehe. stupid team change. forgot about that.
yes I shall have a little. I'll go at 4am :D
are you learning Japanese so you can read Jessica's as well as Portuguese to read Rubens? F1 twitter is making you multilingual ;)
And then dream of craft fairs instead ;)
Portuguese is easier to learn than Japanese :( japanese is hard... she tweets in english sometimes....
Vettel on Fuel-adjusted Pole
:D Got confused by the *?
cheers jackie.
http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=1191&p=10066#p10066
yeah. i remove the star later in the script to convert the time, but not at that stage. next time it'll rock your world. *
* = may contain errors.
what does this actually mean?
Right - time for more movies and a takeaway.
May be around tomorrow. Might even get the urge to watch the Silverstone Classic that I've recorded off sky today.
He was the fastest when fuel weights are taken into account
okay.
See ya Flibster, what you watching today?
the williams preview suggested more like 2,4 kg per lap of fuel. this site (i have something similar for next time planned) only says 2.1. anyone know where they got their number.
Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Clerks II.
Possibly Zack and Miri Make a Porno if there's time.
According to James Allen the team says the signs are good for Massa and that he looks to be alright.
3 great films
Not seen Zac & Miri yet
thank goodness. hope he makes a full recovery.
Very good film. Bit cringeworthy in places, but Mewes is very good in it.
Shall check it out
The figures I used came from the F1 yearbook. Gavin had a post on this on his blog about why there are differences. The estimate from the yearbook is based on data from the 2008 season
f1 minute(s):
Fernando Alonso Takes Pole in Hungary
and
An Update on Felipe Massa’s Condition
I guess I should read more blogs, but I don't want to be doing everything the same as people. I have no plans for a blog, just a script to work out the grid to post here.
Worth a rental certainly. I have deliberately missed out Jersey Girl at the moment. Will get round to watching that again though.
I am happier with this news- when RG put the tweet about operation I decided to take the dog for a walk - I was sort of upset.
Some tweets from JB
"Quali didn't quite go to plan but sometimes things happen for a reason. I'm down in 8th but with more laps of fuel than the guys up front."
"It could play into my hands if the Mclarens r able to jump the bulls..."
"So be ready for an action packed GP tomoz!"
epic Kevin Smith night! I approve :) Needs some Mallrats though ;)
Watched Clerks *workprint edition* a few days ago
Followed that up with Mallrats *extended* and Chasing Amy yesterday.
Kevin Smith is doing a Q&A Session in London in October too. :D Will be the 4th I've been to.
Who was chasing Amy? Heikki? ;)
see you all later. i need to eat and avoid the computer. well this one ;)
Ooh, details?
She wishes :)
she wishes. night all ;)
this excites me
His original Jersey trilogy are still my favourites, the ones since then I have enjoyed less and less each time. Still a big fan though :) I own 3 different editions of Clerks :D
I know I'm going to regret asking but who he?
Bassano beat ya by 2 seconds. Night, Scott.
And on that bombshell, I'm off to bed too. Night, all. :D
He directed the films Flibster mentioned
was just about to ask the same question...
October 10th - IndegO2 at the wonderbra..
By to those off now
cool :)
Wrote, directed, edited and in a couple of cases, starred in as well.
Oh right .. I was thinking it was an F1 bod I didn't know I didn't know about
"@rubarrichello hey when you see felipe wish him our best please!!!"
An interesting tweet from Montoya
http://twitter.com/jpmontoya
I wish he would come down here, I'd love to go to one. I really enjoyed all of the 'evening with...' DVDs.
And cameo'd in Die Hard 4(.less)
[Mark Kermode joke]
S. American buddies?
The good Doctor K. Who was very wrong about Catch and Release, Clerks II and Zack and Miri.
I have these on my desk at work and everyone in my office wants to steal them.
Hmm, not on O2 Indigo page
There is a gap though for Oct 10th
NICE!
Yeah, don't always agree with him but it's a good show
I have just noticed how much Montoya likes !!!!s and ?????s. A good page for Mr C.
Why didn't they edit out the athletics news in the R5L Hungary Preview podcast? :)
Over punctuation is just painful
At least I'm not the only one with the set then. :D
My favourite are the Missy, Sissy, Chrissy and Justice ones I have. ;)
Kev conofirmed the date and location via twitter. Not sure when the tickets go on sale though.
haha. cheers.
Ta
I have concluded that JP Montoya is Chris_Humphreys and thats why he hasn't been here for a while.
w00t! Lee Evans is doing a new stand-up tour in 2011 :D
twenty eleven?
for bassano.
2 years away??
The best Christmas present I got in 2003 :D Silent Bob doesn't stand up anymore though unless I blu-tack his feet to the table.
Waiting for advancements in anti-perspirant suits?
:D
:heart:
background pics are huuuge.
Such a good present. I buy all my own presents so I know I'm actually getting what I want. I've got the entire inaction figure collection I think. I keep looking at his Auctions Askew and thinking "that'd look cool on my wall...."
:D
His tours are usually 3 years apart I've found. An example is his last 3:
Wired and Wonderful tour - 2002
XL Tour - 2005
BIG Tour - 2008
I've signed up for e-mail alerts so the second they go on sale, I'll be in there to get them! Mind you, I'm gonna have to wait until the end of next year to do so...
Wow, they are!
It was kind of an awkward present because they were from my ex boyfriend who had bought them months and months previously but still wanted to give them to me. I got him nothing. :D
Is Gene still Ferrari's reserve driver?
yup
And Badoer it seems
yep he was at goodwood... :D
Crazy vid: http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/4x4-backflip-wmv
Oh yes I was meant to go to bed at 4. Oops. Night (morning?) all :)
See ya Amy
see ya amy
Has the press conference been uploaded yet?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8168858.stm
How about to drop.io or anywhere else for non-UKers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAIKUjRn3jE
I've done the [url=http://formula1home.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=802]fuel weights, stints and times calculations[/url] on my blog. Unfortuantely the "use of actual pit stops" calculation method is still pending (this is where having a desktop rather than a PDA to do the typing with would have helped!)
made a very minor update to doohickey if you refresh.
changes listed here. please yell if you spot anything odd.
You do know it's still Saturday, don't you? I know it's been a long day but...
:D
ahh. i made lclt changes. slept and then made these. hmm. i'll change the wiki :)
AP is a trusted news agency, right? because I just read this, and it's worrying to say the least, but it's not being reported anywhere else http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD99LLA500
ap is is trusted yep.
damn.
Has been mentioned on television too...
Fake Mansell tweeted that a few minutes back, couldn't find anywhere else to corroborate it so I left it
oh my god. i feel ill..
Please no. Not twice :(
I suppose it would be wrong not to classify a fractured skull as life-threatening. The 1st 24hrs after surgery are always critical
ap wire are on par with reuters.
we'll just have to cross our fingers and hope :(
agreed.
I would post the story that Villeneuve's crashed out of the Spa 24 Hours for us all to laugh at, but after reading that I feel it would be quite inappropriate.
I really, really hope this is just a doctor calling it 'life-threatening' because that is protocol, but it seems a little extreme - 'critical' would be normal the medical term. Maybe they are the same word in Hungarian.
From James Allen
ignore reports on Sky/AP that Massa is in life threatening condition. He's stable after an op and will be okay. Long recuperation though
cheers. james vs. AP interesting. i don't trust sky as far as i can throw them, so let's go with james.
Thank goodness. Stupid media over-hyping the story.
fair point.
Does James Allen not count as media anymore then?
Have drop.ioed vid
Yeah, but its on BBC as well.
Trying to think posite, Seve Ballesteros, he was announced life threating, but he is ok now.
James Allen is an entity all by himself ;)
So who would be Ferrari's first choice to sub for Massa while he recovers? I'm guessing Gene?
Of course, silly me :)
Yeah. There's the media and then there's James Allen... ;) :P
Hi Giggles, what's happening over at the NFT?
Who has seniority, him or Badoer?
Alright, rephrase the question - who would you pick, Gene or Badoer? I'd go Gene.
It's been too long since I've seen either of them drive. No idea
Last time they subbed a driver it was Salo for Schuey wasn't it back in '99?
Badoer
So I hear but I can't find it there.
Though that's not surprising
I only pick Gene because he'd kept his hand in in other series, like Le Mans and sportscars. I haven't seen Badoer race in ages.
As in BBC News on tv.
Ah, cheers
A better headline possibly
[hope so at least]
yay! you're in my favourite part of london... there is an amazing water installation really near there... hehe so much fun :)
Could be Neither! MS is till on the pay role!
Oh please, no
Does he have a valid super licence?
Does he even still have one?
That's what I meant
He probably has an expired one ;)
He probably thinks "As long as I still look like my picture, they might still let me in"
I can't see it happening.
We'll soon know if the reserve driver status changes in the next 3 week or so
It's probably little more than a formality if he did want to drive again.
I'm not a religious person but please remember Massa in your thoughts tonight
Seconded
Thirded :(
I did say MS in jest - no I do not think they will use his services even if he has a super-license. If Felipe is not in a position to drive in the next race it will depend on other commitments but probably Marc Gene as Luca Badoer has not raced an F1 this century.
Giggles deserves a "pluger of the year award" come December
*plugger
haha :D
Evening. Annoyed that I can't now watch qualifying on iplayer as I know the result already
if you watched it you wouldn't know the result! you\re better off knowing this one and the watching.
Hi. James Allen is very untrustworthy, he's probably using a source we've already heard. He's not got strong contacts at Ferrari...or he'd be at the BBC
Seriously, it was so confusing even the drivers didn't know!
:( ggrr i can't find a stream for the Spa24hr race and this is when i actually want to watch it! When Ant is in the car! grr. He is currently in 9th.
he does have strong contacts at ferrari. he commentates of italian f1 coverage sometimes.
Doesn't he know that guy at Ferrari that told him the Alonso rumours were true or something?
FIA GT site?
I'm very worried about the 'stop these accidents' bandwagon though
Without putting a cockpit on the car, how can you! Things will fall off, and drivers can only have crash helmets to protect them till they invent force fields
they are next streaming video at 8am tomorrow... no idea why they aren't streaming it for 24hours...
agreed. and stand up mr. button.
i guess drivers are just saying what they think people wanna hear?
For all our knocking of JA I cannot imagine for one second that he would be irresponsible enough to tell everyone Massa is OK if this were not the case.
Why wouldn't drivers be serious about safety? I know I wouldn't.
I don't doubt his intent, just his information. I obviously hope the best for Massa, but so many sources are saying so many things, and Ferrari aren't saying anything until tomorrow.
It's interesting that Ferrari are the only team who haven't released Saturday quotes, for obvious reasons I'm sure.
hm? what did he... oh... to be fair Rubens said it was discussed alot in the GPDA meeting yesterday, so they obviously all have something to say on improving safety.
They're probably waiting for some concrete positive information to release
they won't release a normal presser i don't think. it wouldn't be very respectful.
massa hit the tyre barrier and was flown to hospital while kimi suffered rear graining on his 2nd run.
even under the todt regime that would be too much!
Henry Surtee's accident was the kick off for that, but that was a wheel hitting the driver's head. The best solution for that is to try and stop the wheel's coming off (e.g. more work on those tethers, and get them in lower formulae). Without a windscreen, there's no other way.
e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4xN0vfpUk
you're probably right. it works at lemans though.
Not sure i totally understand Rubens' last tweet... well google translate isn't helping much anyways, but i think, probably because he isn't family, he wasn't allowed to go in to see Felipe.
Rubens must feel bad since the part came from his car
Not a great sign. Even Kanaan got in to see Zanardi. Unless Massa is fully conscious and said don't let that guy in! ;)
Feel bad yes, but I doubt he'd feel responsible. There's nothing he could do to stop it unless they asked them to loosen the bolts on it before he went out.
nothing to do with him though. it's no-ones fault.
when you're doing 150kph+, s*** happens.
He probably has a lot of family with him at the moment already
Indeed
it's standard for non family members not to be allowed to see someone in ITU. it's normally close family only. I'm guessing Mrs Massa and his brother might be a little upset and possibly don't want anyone else around if Massa is still recovering from his operation. Plus he is probably still sedated...
If he's in intensive care then the people allowed to see him will be severely limited.
F1.com saying "has escaped serious injury"
Really?
he looks unhappy here but i think that's more because he was worried for Felipe, not because he felt like it was his fault or anything.
Expect that's the initial reaction as he was flown away looking conscious.
Could be
To be honest, I don't think we're going to know too much more on this until the morning.
i'm going to have to learn Portuguese more quickly than this... Rubens last tweet doesn't make any sense to me.. or google ;)
Google deceptively stating it was posted 10 mins ago
Clearly, this was not the case
think you're right. wasn't expecting any updates this evening tbh.
The real danger is swelling of the brain due to a haemorrhage .. see BBC health
summer challenge?
I think no news is good news in this case
With head injuries there is always more risk than with other injuries. Provided there is adequate oxygen to the brain and internal bleeding and swelling is managed it will be a few hours before any real certainty about how life threatening the injuries really were. I do not want to be alarmist, we must just be patient and not promote rash comments (that he is either OK or its serious).
haha it may well be :P although i've never been strong with languages.. :)
ooo i can understand his last tweet!
I just came back from the hospital.Felipe went trough a cirurgy which went very well.Now he is asleep waiting for a new scan tomorrow
The chances are considering Ferrari's championship contention doesn't exist, even if we assume the best, he'll probably be rested for a few races to fully recover though.
Head injuries are complicated. No two are the same
i've either picked up Portuguese really quickly or it's in english... :)
Some drivers come out of it not the same, others unaffected - some even faster! (Hakkinen, Japan 1995)
:D
I do believe the bit where they say he will not be woken until tomorrow. I do sense some seriousness as these life-threatening statements are rather more recent that the reports that surgery was positive (which can mean we did not lose him under the operation).
hehe!
I'm curious if Massa does get a break for a few races, who Ferrari will run. Badoer & Gene are their official test drivers, but they're best F1 days are over 10 years behind us.
(they're > their - excuse me)
Australia actually.
You're right, I'm getting confused with when he had his appendics out. I recall Ron Dennis threatening to remove Blundell's to make him faster too.
Really? Nowadays, he would have threatened him with liposuction.
Those two had best days?
That was some crash!
His head movement wasn't a pretty site.
Yeah, battling for 5th and 6th with each other in a Minardi if I recall. :p Badoer cried when the engine went bang.
That's a Minardi each of course
When's the Parade Lap tomorrow?
11 ish?
It depends on how many races - Marc Gene is still a good racer so I suspect he will be drafted in. If it is more than a couple I suspect they will find somebody else that has more recent F1 experience or discuss the situation with other teams. Given the restrictions on testing it could even be beneficial for a team like Force India or BMW that have a strong reserve driver to be loaned to Ferrari.
Indeed. 11:10 or thereabouts.
Don't get RG's hopes up
sidepodtime :)
I really like this Qualifying Analysis graphic:
http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/blog/index.php/328/hungary-qualifying-analysis/
earlier, alex threw his notes away. and now he's gone into town.
with the amount of material the man's likely to have left, it should start about 11:50.
Doubt they'd run a GP2 driver - and if they did it'd be di Grassi. Grosjean and Hulkenburg need that title first.
that is brilliant!
Klien's in GP2?
It is also my hopes (they are good drivers that should have a seat) but there is logic and even some benefit to the team doing the loan as there is always a chance that you may need to use a replacement driver, better one with more recent experience. In the past BMW have been fairly reasonable and it is still a "sport" and everything I have seen and heard from Force India is the same.
Right, well, 11:10. Shall return then for all the fun and games, and hopefully be more Masseducated.
cheers neil ;)
i tried to explain to dad everything that had happened today but gave up and decided Christine did a much better job that i could ever do, so decided to make him listen to f1minute instead :)
Aww, wow. Did it help?
Seems I missed the news about Geoff Willis' departure from RBR whilst I was away
very much so. although he did say 'wow how long have the bbc been doing this?'.. obviously i explained it wasn't the bbc and was something much better ;)
during the race weekend, yeah.
Hehehe. Praise indeed :)
news from James Allen
Massa's doctor reporting to Brazilian media that brain scan is clear and signs are positive. Family is en route to Hungary now
yay for positive news.
James' site still down. Grr.
According to James Allen "Massa's doctor reporting to Brazilian media that brain scan is clear and signs are positive. Family is en route to Hungary now" this does sound a bit more hopeful and it explains more about Rubens concerns.
Mav is a bit of a star .. shh don't tell him I said so :D
our little secret ;)
News from Joe - http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/the-latest-on-massa/
Mum's just picked up on the story on her laptop. She was saying to me that if someone is moving, like he was when he was wheeled out of the ambulance, and getting quite agitated after an knock to the head like that, it means they've suffered some kind of brain damage. But hearing that he's got the all clear on his scan is great news. She did also say that the first 48-72 hours of recovery are the most important.
both informative and reassuring. I heart Joe.
was OK for me half an hour ago. Seems /.ed now though.
Without actually saying anything concrete, which is fine because it's a balanced and well-considered article.
Me too :D
Not to put a downer on it but he needs to be lucid to make a proper assessment of his prognosis. Hopefully he's out of the dangerous territory by now. How long his recovery will take depends on how sever his head injury was.
Best of luck Felipe Baby
maybe we needs a get well Felipe baby song?
that's perfect. answers many questions. ta.
Just as I return from my evening out (which I didn't enjoy, was thinking of Felipe)
Cheers :)
Joe points out that Rubens said Massa seemed quite agitated that he had cut on his forehead. I'd be careful of that. As I said, agitation can be a sign of brain damage. And as Bassano said, we need a proper assessment of his situation.
Or a welcome back song when he returns
"Saved by the White Visor"
Evening all
Looks like I picked an incident filled quali to miss
For Mr C I managed 665 mor comments today and the more bar did not re-appear after the last click.
never go outside again!
good stuff. implemented that fix, about an hour ago.
Outside was great. We had this big bright, hot thing in the sky which was very worrying but apparently it happens every now and again
i saw it earlier. we had to go out for wine (me in shorts and sandals, christine in the heaviest jumper known to man).
i don't know about you... but if i'd been hit by a flying spring, crashed into tyre barriers at a high speed, then taken to a medical centre with a very painful head (am guessing that cut hurt), was in a neck brace/ board and was bleeding... i think i'd be a bit agitated too. we'll hear more in the morning but i think we should concentrate on the positive news that his brain scan was clear and that his op went well.
seconded.
So other than what Joe said, what has been confirmed about Massa?
Driving lessons count as outside.
Obviously, he ain't racing tomorrow.
What else do you need to know? He's being looked after in the best possible care.
Me too
i meant you... not me...;)
hats off to the hungarian marshals.
tis all on autosport, or in the comments. but the main thing is his operation went well and we will know more in the morning.
Not much, if any
I was just saying to LPG, if you're going to have a head injury, then he best place to have one is at a GP race weekend. The prompt attention of the medical team who are experts in this sort of thing will have made all the difference.
The odds are he is not serious or they would put him into a coma like they did with Wendlinger. They put him into a coma fo something like 6 weeks.
Milatary hospital is not a bad place to be when trauma's involved.
It just seems incredible that this happens a week after Surtees.
I've been out all evening and I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.
Rude.
You are right about the agitation. From the moment I saw the accident I realised this was serious (the velocity with which the spring hit Felipe's helmet were huge). We have to be cautiously positive from the reports of the scans etc. The freak nature of the accident and the chances of it happening are so small but the consequences so large.
what is all this going outside?
It's no coincidence. I think we need to look at whether the idea of an open cockpit is a safe one in today's world.
Outlaws invited us out for dinner. I had a rotten time because I was worried about Felipe.
yes it is.
There was some over-reaction/misquote from AP earlier. It's been clrified now
James Allen is having issues with his site but has some good updates if you have his feed
Fine. Will you say that next time too?
yes. if the events are completely unrelated.
BBC news just said that Massa has 2 skull fractures
There are always safety improvements to make but it is pure coincidence that it comes so close to Surtees' accident
the boy doesn't do things by half.
Do you not think that the driver's head being exposed is a significant weak point with all the other safety features around him?
It's like chopping the nosecone off to leave his feet exposed.
Awww man....
Do we know that he will be OK? Is it still life threatening?
It's as safe as it has ever been. I haven't seen Massa's accident so I have no idea what happened beyond the basic description. I am going to watch it on the iplayer just to try and understand it.
As every piece of paper related to an event says motor sport is dangerous and regardless how the rules are written it always will be. To me it is crazy that 20 years after they put so much effort into moving the driver's feet out of danger their heads are still sticking out.
As far as we know, the AP/Sky story was just an exagerration.
A closed cockpit has other dangers, safety helmet improvements can surely be made too
it's a coincidence.. well i think it is. Surtees accident was an unfortunate and rare one, exactly the same as Massa's. how many times have things come off cars and bounced across the track? probably hundreds. That spring was tiny in the scale of the track, it could have bounced anywhere, it was just unlucky and very very unfortunate for Massa that it happened to bounce where it did, when it did. There is no way of telling if it will happen again or not. I agree maybe helmets need to be reinforced but i don't think it's necessary to have closed cockpits.
Great quote from Juan Pablo Montoya regarding Massa's crash:
The medical response, it seemed, left something to be desired.
"You know what it really showed me?" Montoya said after qualifying second for the Allstate 400 at the Brickyard. "I’m glad I’m not tere to say this, but how long the medical response was. I mean, it was incredible ...
"You know when you get here and you’re used to what NASCAR does, it’s kind of bad, you know? They’re ready to tow the car out and the guy’s knocked out inside the car and they don’t even notice. Kind of shocking."
He's absolutely right..
Indeed.
Do you not think the drivers failing to see flying objects coming towards them is a weakpoint? Perhaps the cockpit sides are too high... (I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying that there has to be a full investigation before we jump to conclusions)
The same argument was made against seatbelts in the 60's - when they thought it was best you were thrown clear of the car in a crash.
he is? i thought they did a great job.
The cockpit sides are high to protect his head, not protect against flying debris.
I made a couple of comments on Joe's post on the Surtees accident about this. What is the point in mandating crash tests that subject the car to huge loads while the driver can be killed by a wheel because his head is exposed.
I don't have the answer and would be willing to see some research on it. I just hope that a considered approach is taken rather than the usual FIA knee-jerk reaction
So did I ... but Montoya cannot resist having a dig at the sport.
What a reject - now he can't even get a top 5 in banger racing. Enjoy the Bitter Lemon, my friend!
i don't know much about fractures to the skull, but i'm thinking that as he's had an operation the doctors have known this for some time and things are in hand. remember we've already been told that scans are clear etc, we are just finding out more information. I do know one thing though, Richard Hammond had a fractured skull after his crash, and i know he was lucky, but he is alright. so maybe we can take some comfort from that?
Usually they do not make any confirmed diagnosis with injuries like this until at least 48 hours (there are reasons which I won't go into but being in hospital will improve any risk of these being managed) - I am sure he is in good hands and all we can do is hope for the best. I have my doubts about whether he will be racing this season though.
now you've changed the point that you're arguing. you said:
"It's no coincidence."
and i'm saying it is a coincidence. it is a coincidence that these two events happened in close succession. they are unrelated.
I have argued for at least 20 years that the minimum we should have is overhead protection like they have on top fuel dragsters. I have also argued for about the same time that there should be bars in front of and behind the wheels to stop one car launching over another. Either of those would have saved Surtees.
seconded.
Oh absolutely.
But what is the point in protecting the driver's legs, body and neck but not his head?
It's like wearing a suit of armour with a hole in it covered in fluorescent cloth with 'hit me' written on it...
But a helmet is somewhat an improvement on a flourescent cloth
I take your point though
you may be right about that.
I was thinking the same thing - but injuries such as these do affect moods and judgment. I am guessing Felipe's is not as serious as Richard Hammond's.
In most cases if a flying object is coming sideways at a driver there is nothing he can do about it.
very much so. as christine pointed out recently. you can drive a tank of those things.
I'd have to go back and look, but it was minutes before the Merc showed up.
The marshals were actually getting ready to remove the car before anyone actually attended to Felipe.
That's unacceptable in my opinion..
I don't remember saying that, but if I did, I would have said OVER. ;)
But they are not 'freak accidents' in the respect of that it could happen again? I guess that is what I mean.
What I am trying to say is that there seems to be a weak point in driver safety that has been swatted away by some people as a 'freak accident'
I work in safety stats and I can say that most accidents happen in a 'freak' manner - the point is that you learn from them so that you prevent them happening in future...
I have my doubts if he will race ever again.
Anyone remember Cristiano Da Matta?
Steady on. Bit early for that isn't it?
Let's see what happens
With Hammond, he did change personality wise and stuff like that.
Didn't he hit that deer? Is now scared of racing ever again?
Yeah, now that really was a freak accident.
He has had a serious head injury and he has a family. It will take a while to recover from this...
I did not want to be as negative as that, there are cases of drivers coming back. What I think is even more likely is that he will come back but is simply not as competitive like with Karl Wendlinger.
massa might get funky highlights?
You have no basis for that.
exactly, all head injury's are different and affect people in different ways. hopefully he his wounds are only to the skull bone and not his brain. with any brain/ head surgery he'll be monitored for some time. with any luck he isn't as bad as we are all imagining.
And race dogsleds to the North pole?
Too soon? I lol'd still.
Look at what has happened to his hair since
Head injuries are complicated, no telling how long any effects will last for
The brain can recover/repair for approx 5 - 7 years after injury
[I had someone close to me who suffered a traumatic brain injury with amazing rehabilitation]
And like celery too?
did it? i thought the only think he said it changed was his liking for celery?
You are right. But I can't see him coming back somehow.
Stefan Johanson hit a deer in Austria in a McLaren one year to prove Gavin's freak accident point.
And a mullet?
you've concluded that because?
Actually there have been a few drivers that have hit deer over the years. Doesn't help that some of the old circuits were run on parkland!
It'll be interesting to see in a few weeks what his thoughts on racing again are.
That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food.
I dunno. I just have.
:)
:)
Especially food that you consume more calories eating than what's in it... whats the point in that???
wha? i don't think we can say that... i think it will depend on the severity of any long term effects this may have on him. Personally i think if he isn't back before the end of the season he'll be back for 2009. Plenty of drivers have had big crashes and come back into f1... fact is none of us know Felipe and know how he is most likely to react to this...
I think that's a falacy
:D hehe
Most of my arguments are!
Same with lettuce. Beats me why none of these food fad gurus has never had a success with eat yourself thin.
Like who?
So you think that he will return with Doctor Who and travel back to the start of this season? ;)
BBC 1 have a film just started where someone else does Bruce Willis's job of saving the planet from a big space rock. Who knew there was a back up plan?
from 5live:
"I think it is highly unlikely that Massa will be racing in within the next two months. Marc Gene is their official reserve"
What's the film?
What happened to Luca Badoer. I thought that was his job.
You think Badoer would be. I wonder why that is.
Deep Impact
Good good. For Gene that is, not Massa being unable to race.
Marc Gene? Right now there are probably about 100 drivers sobbing thinking "But I am better than Marc Gene!"
I've not seen that one, I'd still be wanting Bruce to save the planet from asteroids & meteors I think
That's an oddly entertaining film...
Including his brother
sorry typing/ having a conversation with mum about the season = fail .
Now now, he drove that hideous highlighted Minardi you know, Badoer can't say he did that!
They realised he's never scored a point in F1 and that putting him in car he hasn't driven competitively in ten years isn't so smart?!
Bruce can always save ya ;)
That few?
Don't trust them. Bruce can save us.
Both are test drivers for the Scuderia
Both are test drivers for Ferrari
Sorry for the double post, doohickey didn't like S c u d e r i a
I think
So why Gené?:P
It came up tails?
Deep Impact = No Bruce = Comet destroys most of the world
Armageddon = Bruce = a minor fender bender and everyone's happy.
Now I know who I'd want on my team!
Marc will be given the nod over Luca - younger and a more active racing driver - is Marc not rumoured to be in contention for the Campos seat?
Well it is an evil word ;)
I was being polite!
Well that kinda ruins the film then doesn't it
According to Ollie, it means Stable
I didn't know that, I thought it was team
:D
Apparently team is "Squadra"
Like a stable of horses - so that is why they have a black horse as their emblem.
Oops!
and toro sorrow?
Read Ollie's piece, it's quite good
http://blogf1.co.uk/teams/ferrari/
I did not know that Felipe is becoming a dad soon. Makes this worse. :(
Toro Rosso was originally announced as Squadra Toro Rosso but they changed to Scuderia because squadra was more commonly used for football teams
At the end of the Ferrari should have only done one thing - talk to FRANCK ;)
Toro Rosso?
Red Bull in Italian
[ping]
Yes it was announced a little time ago - he was incredible excited - I seem to remember something along the lines that he wanted to have his kids tag along like Rubens do.
Just decided this fim is utterly unrealistic. They spotted the comment a year before impact. The last thing that came close to the Earth was spotted a week in advance.
must have been one explosive comment.
New and improved Doohickey?
Apparently, (and this is according to Wikipedia) this film was much preferred by scientists and the like, whereas Armageddon did much better in the box office a few months later.
I hate Deep Impact with a passion, and not just cos it doesn't have Bruce in it.
it wasn't me!
:D
Do you want to save that one for the SidepodRadio show?
Cos if so, I'll have to watch it :)
Just watching the Massa incident on the iplayer. Just over a minute before the medical car arrived. That is reasonable.
Hehehehe. Can do :)
I blame...... I meant comet
That comment I made about Ferrari and Franck has given me a great idea...
*runs off laughing quietly*
Anyone have a link to Gavin's blog, I forgot to bookmark it
Well that film was Pants really. At least Armageddon had an Oil Rig in it!
www.f1numbers.wordpress.com ;)
Ah, there you are. See previous comment
deep impact squashed an oil rig.
Ta
Have updated comment of the year page: http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Best+Comment+of+the+Year
Boo! Nobody squashes an Oil Rig, it's not allowed. It just isn't!
Bruce would never do that, see. Armageddon wins.
It's all about the vest
oh. wow. thank you!
Does anyone know where I can download the A-Team theme in full, but with none of the talking at the beginning, just the whole piece of music?
That's some good companty right there
*company
You could cut it out using GoldWave?
Thanks for the heads up Lou, the Jonsi & Alex album is great
Recommend to all Sigur Rós fans
Alta vista used to have an audio search
yay! :) i'm pleased you like it, it's lovely
MR C & Christine:
If you're looking for a new tv show, True Blood is now on iTunes
I recommend it
For everyone else, it's on FX
Ooh, noted. We're literally just discussing what we're going to watch tonight. We has Green Wing, Teachers, Father Ted, Grand Designs, and Cold Feet.
All of which we've seen before, but requires watching again, especially as they were reduced on iTunes.
http://fxuk.com/series/true-blood
West Wing, Season 1, Episode 1 ;)
Green Wing and Father Ted are free on 4OD
Is it good even though Anna Paquin's in it?
not on your phone though. and they may not be there forever.
Is it very good
She's quite different to her X Men role. Grown up a bit
what about 24?
I dunno, I reckon £4.99 is a decent price to pay to watch without adverts and put on iPod if I want.
Pah
Season One only, for me
noted. and the dennis leary fireman thing?
Rescue Me
Yeah, that's worth a go
Also, Weeds, with Mary Louise Parker
amy has cancelled craft fair plans. Amy is going back to sleep. Even the blind saw this coming
Still dislike her though. She was a Kiwi until it didn't suit her anymore!
cheers. now to find the time...
Hello everyone. Stayed up all night to catch qualifying, slept in till 2:00 PM. My body clock is officially broken.
I am watching NASCAR qualifying at Indy. It amazing how much better Formula One's format is.
And also Dexter :)
You are sleeping on a weekend
NASCAR has qualifying?
She's sleeping ... that is news enough!
aww. Have a lovely sleep Amy :)
:P
Find car, get in it. You're in
I used to love NASCAR. Now it's just stupid!
i'm sure trickle had to qualify didn't he?
She was born in Canada, Wiki says she moved to U.S. from NZ after her parents divorce when she was 13
Didn't know that
When she was in the Piano she was a Kiwi. Then she got famous, moved to Hollywood, talked like an American and hasn't been back since. We don't even call her "New Zealand's Anna Paquin" anymore...
Her co-star in True Blood is British, doesn't talk like it though
Hollywood does that unfortunately
The much-rumoured 10" Mac Tablet for 2010?
I sure hope so
It's example #A1 of how making things way too spec can ruin a series.
Exactly - prior to the COT it was quite entertaining. Now it plain sucks!
Didn't Hakkinen suffer a form of brain injury in 95?
Just seen the Massa accident. How is it possibly for a spring to just fall off a car. Had it been one of the awful back of the grid teams we used to have in the 80s I could understand it but how can a team that is leading the world championship have something like that just fall off.
Massa reaction was odd too. He stayed on the throttle but got on the brakes. That is a very odd reaction for a racing driver.
The 2nd of Massa's fractures is to the base of his skull acording to the BBC F1 site
Quotes drom elsewhere say it was a damper
Looks likely he was only semi-conscious after the impact from the flying debris
He must have hit that wall hard because his head looked like it when close to the steering wheels despite his HANS device. I guess the second fracture is from the rebound.
You can see on the youtube footage that it is a coil spring. I didn't think anyone used those any more. I thought everyone used torsion bars.
Howdy all, just got back from a nice evening
What i don't get is that hte springs aren't mounted like a normal car, they are mounted horizontal-ish and are connected to a whole host of other things. It confuses me greatly
They still use dampers which connect with the pull/push rods
Are there coils inside of dampers or is it just hydraulics & pneumatics
Apparently it hit the steering wheel, which as you say, is incredibly odd given he was wearing a HANS
My understanding is the seat belts stretched more than they should have.
Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73AMtoeZyog
It was a big impact. It like the tethers argument on Surtees's crash. The HANS can only limit head movement so much.
Which makes sense.
I have to admit, that as soon as i saw the accident, before any onboards, it sounded like he still had hte throttle on, and that video confirms it.
Ah but they didn't snap, which is the main thing, if they had then it would have been fatal
If you stop the youtube clip at 25 seconds it is clearly a coil spring
I know it's not a particularly popular thing to say, but there is absolutely nothing that can be done safety wise without making this a closed cockpit formula, and frankly, i don't believe a closed cockpit windscreen could cope with an inpact like that
I don't think you can lower the driver anymore or raise the monocoque either. I think it just one of those things they we have to try to prevent via sweeping and checking cars but can't avoid.
It would work if you used glass from Aviation windscreens.
Laminated windscreens can take quite a hit and even if it didn't stop the spring it would massively reduce the impact.
Could we see an increase in the visor strength? I think most of the damage came from the fact that it hit the visor as well as the helmet. In the shots I've seen, the helmet to a beating but the visor looked destroyed.
i agree... i don't think closed cockpits are the answer....
Should happen regardless I think
But thats not really the point, if F1 is to stay open cockpit, nothing can be done
yay! Davidson's car is up to 5th! hehe
Apparently Ferrari might withdraw Kimi - it is the dail mail so not sure of the reliability
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1202117/Ferraris-Felipe-Massa-life-threatening-condition-horror-smash-Hungary.html;jsessionid=F8D7DBA339A5C35F8B99B7DC2E21FEAF
I was thinking, how ridiculous is it that they spend all his money on helmets, HANS devices and such and the only thing that is protection on their most important organs(their eyes) is protected by a thin piece of plastic. I think they can figure out a material and a design to keep the clarity of vision while increasing the material that protects the eyes.
Visors are actually very good on impact protection considering that the driver has to see through them.
That picture of Massa with one eye open is really disturbing. I really don't like the look on his face. It just seems so cold and lifeless. :(
Sensationalist rubbish
Also found this:
The picture in that paper is in pretty bad taste but it does show that the visor was disodged in the accident and seems to be in one piece.
Yeah was just about to say, looks a little scratched up, but apart from that, pretty good, you can tell where it hit thouh as there is a large chunk missing
He was sedated
I asked James Allen if he could remove it from his blog.
have you read Joe's article on Massa? he explains everything really well, and explains why they induce comas and that it is actually the safest thing to do.
I was just think that a little more material in the visor might have taken at least some of the energy out before it hit the head. I think injuries would of been un-avoidable in this instance, but it might of helped less the damage a little bit.
I have read it. That was just me confusing an induced coma with sedation. :P
Scott has you got this months F1 Racing?
I've got mine. I have to wonder if the people who decide the F1R front covers have a crystal ball - Felipe was on the cover, and by the time it gets in the shops you can pretty much guarantee he'll be the one non-British driver casual F1 followers will remember...
He should know better
What I mean is thinking of them as two different things.
I shall be picking it up sometime this week.
The first race after Imola 94 was Monaco and Karl Wendlinger had a huge accident at the chicane after the tunnel. The chicane was closer to the tunnel then and instead of kerbs it was barriers. Wendlinger was put in a coma for about 6 weeks
I hate GMM...
Sensationalist journalism and headline writing should led you to the seventh gate of hell in my opinion.
To me it looks like the spring cut the screw out that attached the visor. On the video of the accident you can see the steering wheel turns and it looks like his head hits the corner of the wheel. I would guess that is what caused his injury.
I put a comment for this blog that it should be removed - it got through moderation but the photo was kept.
Everyone is an expert hey, nothing else to do hey guy's
No-one is claiming to be an expert. All we are trying to do is understand what happened.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
then leave it to the experts and watch the press instead of being like a bunch of little school girls
Hey, I know quite a lot about Bassano Clapping
How insightful
i'm sorry norton but that is bang out of order. you clearly haven't even attempted to read a single comment here.
Who put you in charge of what people can discuss? Or for that matter to what makes you think that no-one here has any expertise?
Does James Allen not count as media anymore then? {Comment #730}
James Allen is "intelligent media", as opposed to the "stupid media" to which Scott referred.
Not to change subjects, but what does everything think of the report of Wurz maybe driving for USF1? I am trying to write a blog post about (killing time on a sunny Saturday) and trying to figured out everything he brings to the table in comparison to say JV.
Join us in the new daily Dan but I'd rather Wurz than JV
Thought they were going for an American Pie line up?
Thank you for coming here and insulting us. You must like offending people to write a comment like that?
If you wish to start a petty flame war then you have come to the wrong place my friend!
Dan is still in the 25th though (timelime wise!)
But this is SidepodTime, it's global! ;)
Ever heard Wurz moan like a jealous child, or even at all? No? Thought not,
I am surprised they have gone for someone with no American profile. That is clearly his biggest negative.
On the positive side he has more recent experience and McLaren were prepared to almost perpetually pay him 7 figures to develop their cars even when it meant building a special lengthened chassis for him. That tells you everything you need to know about ability, attitude etc.
The other thing worth considering is that he fronted a team that applied for a grid slot so he may have people and a budget from that, that can be made available to USF1.
Does he [Michael Schumacher] have a valid super licence? {Comment #750}
The Superlicence he has at the moment will have expired at the end of 2006.
However, the rule concerning reactivating Superlicences is to have competed in F1 in the last three years (other series, with shorter permissible time periods, can be used instead) in order to reactivate a Superlicence at the same level. So Michael could do it this year - but not next, unless he decides to do some high-level single-seater racing or feels like going through the WMSC/Safety Commission process like a newbie.
and he has a wicked sense of humour!
What else do you need to know? He’s [Massa] being looked after in the best possible care. {Comment #872}
I can believe that - it's the same hospital that looked after Ralph Firman after his big accident in 2003 and they did a good job then.
That is the bit I never understood. How screwed up does your brain need to be to think that is food. {Comment #947}
Celery is one of my favourite vegetables, though I will admit to not being entirely neurotypical to start with...
Apparently Ferrari might withdraw Kimi – it is the dail mail so not sure of the reliability {Comment #1086}
Did it occur to the Daily Mail to check the plausibility of the story? It's not as if anything on the Ferrari broke...
I get the feeling that rag doesn't do a lot of checking at all
I get the feeling that rag doesn’t do a lot of checking at all {Comment #1130}
You're probably right. Unfortuantely.