Monday rolls round again, and this week we are anticipating plenty of announcements regarding teams and their futures. If they're anything like Honda's previous statements, it will simply be a delay until further announcements, however, we shall wait and see.

  • As mentioned, we are supposed to be hearing something from Honda today. It may or may not be the deadline for the team, and we may or may not be hearing Richard Branson's name. If anything, it'll be good to have something concrete to go on, so I can stop writing "may or may not".
  • USF1 are ready to put their plans on the table on Tuesday, with the countdown on their site ticking down to zero tomorrow. Are we expecting big things, or just a few confirmations that the team does exist and it does plan to race? It is surely way too early for driver decisions and suchlike?
  • Both of the above are discussed in depth in yesterday's Sidepodchat. You can view a replay of the live stream here, and the (barely) edited show should be out at some point this evening.

That should keep us going while we await some news, let's hope for more in the way of headlines than last week. I will see you in the comments.

525 responses

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 00:10

    So basically this is the week when stuff is supposed to start happening. Especially as the person who wrote on Force Fans that the VJM02 had started up has also hinted that Force India may be testing this week.

  • me23/02/2009 at 00:14

    So basically this is the week when stuff is supposed to start happening. Especially as the person who wrote on Force Fans that the VJM02 had started up has also hinted that Force India may be testing this week.

    wow, that's very cool.

    force india mercedes may take awhile to get used to mind you.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 00:16

    This is a very productive race on GRID. The front of my car is stuck on top of a tyre wall

    :(

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 00:16

    force india mercedes may take awhile to get used to mind you.

    Force India Mercedes or FIM...

    That's Fault Identification Manual for me, oh dear - I hope not

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 00:23

    Off to bed I think, driving lesson in the morning so need to get a bit of sleep. Knowing Honda we'll get some news in about an hour or two ;)

    If Scott's still around, cheers for the races on GRID. Good fun! As was the show tonight, sidepodchat is such a good idea.

    Night all

  • lou23/02/2009 at 00:24

    Night Luke.

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 00:24

    Night all

    G'night Lukeh

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 00:28

    Live Oscars streaming anyone, about half an hour to go I think

    http://tinyurl.com/bbzdng

  • Andy Taylor23/02/2009 at 00:29

    Live Oscars streaming anyone, about half an hour to go I think

    Nah, I've got work in the morning.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 00:30

    Live Oscars streaming anyone, about half an hour to go I think

    okay am giving myself an hour to finish ICT, then i'm off to bed. but i'll have a listen to the Oscars while i work. I can't stand just hearing the sound of the keyboard and the clock.

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 00:30

    I got up way too late today to be getting any sleep before 5am

  • lou23/02/2009 at 00:48

    Oh Mr C, i forgot to say, when i asked Dad he was pretty sceptical that the public would be able to watch a private test. He said that if the team were still owned by honda, then it may possibly be a different story, as he may have been able to speak to some of his contacts within the team and Honda UK. But seeing as the team's future is 'up in the air' at the moment his friends are not really willing to chat about work or the team, which is understandable. So if the team are testing i have no idea if they will let the public attend, i'm guessing not.

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:13

    Let's try the current thread shall we

    Wiki updated for Best Comment of the Year

  • me23/02/2009 at 01:14

    Let’s try the current thread shall we

    for a split second i thought the damn thing was double posting again :D

    i need sleeps, night one and all.

  • Andy Taylor23/02/2009 at 01:15

    Wiki updated for Best Comment of the Year

    I've been removed? :(

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:18

    I’ve been removed? :(

    What was yours, I don't think I removed any

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:18

    i need sleeps, night one and all.

    Night Mr C

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:18

    I’ve been removed? :(

    I remember

    Patronising. Hang on

  • Andy Taylor23/02/2009 at 01:19

    Patronising. Hang on

    That was the one. Thanks and goodnight all :)

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:20

    That was the one. Thanks and goodnight all :)

    Night Andy, you been re-instated

    [That means put back on there]

  • lou23/02/2009 at 01:21

    i need sleeps, night one and all.

    night Mr C.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 01:21

    That was the one. Thanks and goodnight all :)

    Night Andy.

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:23

    Oscar coverage ads doin' my head in, had to mute till the ceremony proper starts

  • lou23/02/2009 at 01:27

    everyone's going to sleep and i'm really tired. I hate ICT. oh damn my teacher i'm off to bed. a 15 page detailed report about something i'm not even sure on and an access project is too much over a 1/2 term anyway. Night all who are still away x

  • lou23/02/2009 at 01:29

    Night all who are still away x

    *awake.

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:32

    Night Lou

  • Bassano Clapper23/02/2009 at 01:33

    Oscar's have begun, Hugh Jackman presenting

  • Dirty Scarab23/02/2009 at 02:03

    USF1:

    My gut feeling is that they'll simply be announcing that they're running in twenty ten.

    However, Peter Windsor is on SPEED TV live right now on a show called 'Wind Tunnel'. He'll be talking about USF1 in the next hr...

    I'll report back on what he says...

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 02:11

    However, Peter Windsor is on SPEED TV live right now on a show called ‘Wind Tunnel’. He’ll be talking about USF1 in the next hr…

    Listening to it too. Interesting stuff.

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 02:15

    Windsor on Danica.

    "We're flattered, that she flattered, which makes us flattered."

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 02:19

    Highlights at the first commercial break.

    - USF1 will buy a engine from a current F1 manufacture.

    - Team is opened to bringing in an experienced F1 driver to begin with.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 02:20

    - USF1 will buy a engine from a current F1 manufacturer.

    No surprise there.

    - Team is opened to bringing in an experienced F1 driver to begin with.

    No surprise there, either.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 02:21

    Hang on, if they're announcing this now, what will they announce on the 24th?

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 02:25

    Hang on, if they’re announcing this now, what will they announce on the 24th?

    Windsor is on a talk show on Speed and they just took a segment before they talked about the oncoming F1 season to talk about USF1. They opened it up to the phones and to the email. Windsor was holding back a lot but did give some nuggets out.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 02:29

    Hang on, if they’re announcing this now, what will they announce on the 24th?

    Names and faces

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 02:32

    Names and faces

    People were asking about different drivers mainly Danica and AJ Allmendinger. Windsor basically gave the same answer for both: They are great drivers and are in the running for the USF1 seats.

    A non-answer, answer. It like I was doing media coaching with him.

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 02:54

    Final thing from Windsor:

    "The one thing that F1 teams don't do is talk about how cool they are... We are going to open up the factory with web cameras, fan zones, interaction... its' the things that NASCAR do so well. We have to do the same."

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 03:00

    “The one thing that F1 teams don’t do is talk about how cool they are… We are going to open up the factory with web cameras, fan zones, interaction… its’ the things that NASCAR do so well. We have to do the same.”

    Nice to hear. Easier said than done, though. ;)

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 03:00

    “The one thing that F1 teams don’t do is talk about how cool they are… We are going to open up the factory with web cameras, fan zones, interaction… its’ the things that NASCAR do so well. We have to do the same.”

    All the top teams are going to have a team of people monitoring those cameras if USF1 turns out to be any good.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 03:01

    All the top teams are going to have a team of people monitoring those cameras if USF1 turns out to be any good.

    Exactly.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 03:19

    Quick question: Did anyone join the Singapore GP 'Name the Turns' contest? If yes, did you receive a confirmation email after you sent your entry?

  • Dirty Scarab23/02/2009 at 03:27

    I'll be reiterating a lot of what Dan's posted, but here are the key bits I noted from Windsor's interview that I found interesting:

    a) "Everything will be American".

    b) PW did point out that the exception is that US engines will be impossible for now. (2 reasons for this: 1) US car manufacturers are in dire trouble economically, and 2) The current engine freeze rules basically refuses to allow a new supplier into F1).

    c)PW essentially said "We have the money" to compete in F1.

    d)Windsor said of Danica Patrick: "She has road dust on her, therefore, we'll consider her". (Whatever that means)...

    e) USF1 would ideally like an all U.S. driver line up, but they were looking into having an experienced driver "in year one". PW also mentioned that with the exception of Scott Speed, no U.S. drivers have experience.(which might be a stumbling block).

    f) When asked by Dave Despain (the show's host): "Why will you be successful when many others like Paul Stoddart have failed"? PW responded by simply saying that he has a winning staff on board...

    g) When asked: Why base the USF1 team in North Carolina? PW

    mentioned, among other things the Windshear Wind Tunnel

    that they'll be using.

    h) And finally, when asked whether the US will embrace his team, Windsor said that his intentions were to bring the US to F1 and not the other way around, which is what Bernie has been trying to do. He also mentioned that NASCAR had the right idea in making the sport as fan friendly as possible. Then he mentioned that there will be Webcams in the USF1 factory etc. Windsor basically said that typically, F1 teams go out of their way to be incredibly secretive and USF1 would go in an opposite direction (within reason, I assume)...

    So there you have it. Noon Tuesday will be when we can hear the official word of USF1's intentions in 2010...

    Exciting stuff...

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 03:34

    Windsor basically said that typically, F1 teams go out of their way to be incredibly secretive and USF1 would go in an opposite direction (within reason, I assume)…

    Being open to the fans is nice and all, but the other teams won't really emulate them unless they:

    1. Become super-popular because of it

    2. Start winning races

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 04:35

    Windsor basically said that typically, F1 teams go out of their way to be incredibly secretive and USF1 would go in an opposite direction (within reason, I assume)…

    I have to admit when Peter Windsor said that final bit, I was about to have a heart attack. Even if they do 5% of what he said, it will be amazing.

    I think I am going to take a page out of Christine' book and start a I(heart)Windsor website...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 07:02

    Morning all,

    No link in today's thread about signing up for the SPC MarioKart Wii Tournament?

    I hope you all had a good start to the week... :-)

  • Dank23/02/2009 at 08:47

    Writing on the wall for Honda?

    Reuters claim this morning that there are no serious buyers for Honda

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 08:54

    Pop-up blocker issues now happening to me as well. After unblocking sidepodcast.com, the cause seems to be that merely right-clicking the link already opens the link in a new tab.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 08:59

    Reuters claim this morning that there are no serious buyers for Honda

    Oh dear.

  • Christine23/02/2009 at 08:59

    Reuters claim this morning that there are no serious buyers for Honda

    That doesn't sound promising at all.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 09:02

    That doesn’t sound promising at all.

    Wait... so they don't consider the management buyout a serious buyer? Otherwise, why would Brawn and Fry reject Bernie's funds? That just sounds very odd.

  • Gavin+Brown+(RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 09:07

    Reuters claim this morning that there are no serious buyers for Honda

    Tomorrow, USF1 will announce something that will use part of Honda's resources. I am almost certain of it now!

  • Dank23/02/2009 at 09:26

    Today is also the deadline set by Mercedes-Benz to supply Honda with engines as well...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 09:36
  • Sebastian (Birmingham, UK)23/02/2009 at 09:52

    Conspiracy theory one:

    Honda never had any intention of selling the team but wished to appear to be making the effort before regretfully announcing no serious buyers could be found. After all, it would be horrendously embarrassing if the team under new ownership did better and also embarrassing if new ownership resulted in a shambolic exit soon after. There does seem to be circumstantial evidence that those with serious offers had difficulty being taken notice of. (GP.com report.)

    Conspiracy theory two:

    Branson is a master at generating free publicity and never had any intention of buying the Honda team. After all, it was only about four days between Virgin showing interest and then Branson claiming the high moral ground on environmental and cost issues that precluded Virgin's entry. Is he suggesting he was unaware of these matters earlier in the week?

    Conspiracy theory three:

    It is obviously in Mosley's interest to use tactics of divide-and-conquer over the dispute with the drivers on super-licence fees. When he stated three drivers had paid, he knew he could not be challenged to prove it for reasons of confidentiality, that it could not be proved that three drivers had not paid, and the information, confirmed or not, would undermine the drivers' attempted solidarity on the matter.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 10:01

    Sebastian (Birmingham, UK):

    Conspiracy theory one:

    Honda never had any intention of selling the team but wished to appear to be making the effort before regretfully announcing no serious buyers could be found.

    Conspiracy theory two:

    Branson is a master at generating free publicity and never had any intention of buying the Honda team.

    Conspiracy theory three:

    It is obviously in Mosley’s interest to use tactics of divide-and-conquer over the dispute with the drivers on super-licence fees.

    I like your style, sir!

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 10:01

    Reuters claim this morning that there are no serious buyers for Honda

    Autosport's picked up on it too.

    :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 10:02

    Autosport’s picked up on it too.

    Prepare for the adminstrators then.

  • Sebastian (Birmingham, UK)23/02/2009 at 10:06

    I like your style, sir!

    Cheers.

    The third point had to be worded carefully.

  • Dank23/02/2009 at 10:07

    Branson is a master at generating free publicity and never had any intention of buying the Honda team. After all, it was only about four days between Virgin showing interest and then Branson claiming the high moral ground on environmental and cost issues that precluded Virgin’s entry.

    I'm on the fence with this whole 'Branson used this as a publicity stung' and then folk refer to what happened with Northern Rock when he showed an interest. Do we honestly believe that he sits back in his leather chair, stroking his beard, and ponders how to gain free promotion? Would that really make anybody go out and buy a Virgin Atlantic flight to Oz, or er, what else is it that Virgin do these days?

    I don't know the whole history of Branson, but other than the Northern Rock thing, has he a track record of doing this? Or, could it just be that both Northern Rock and Honda are rotten to the core, which Branson came to realise during discussions with both?

    Oh and as an aside, apparently Virgin are looking to bring out some 'green' fuels in the not too distant future.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 10:20

    Prepare for the adminstrators then.

    Looks like it's all gone Pete Tong.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 10:21

    Reuters claim this morning that there are no serious buyers for Honda

    oh. wish i hadn't checked the news now :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 10:25

    oh. wish i hadn’t checked the news now :(

    Time to write the Honda post? Or will you wait until 'the end'?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 10:25

    I’m on the fence with this whole ‘Branson used this as a publicity stung’ and then folk refer to what happened with Northern Rock when he showed an interest. Do we honestly believe that he sits back in his leather chair, stroking his beard, and ponders how to gain free promotion? Would that really make anybody go out and buy a Virgin Atlantic flight to Oz, or er, what else is it that Virgin do these days?

    Branson has been known to 'court' publicity on occasion - such stunts as ballooning around the world, dressing up as a bride to promote Virgin weddings and having a TV show (The Rebel Billionaire). So it's not an impossible scenario...

  • Sebastian (Birmingham, UK)23/02/2009 at 10:27

    Do we honestly believe that he sits back in his leather chair, stroking his beard, and ponders how to gain free promotion?

    A few years ago, I saw a Branson interview in which he not only admitted but boasted about his strategy of using tricks and stunts to generate free publicity worth millions for the Virgin brand. Yes, I do honestly believe he more than ponders on ways to acheive free promotion. During a dispute years back before the last Concorde deal was signed and there was some threat of a breakaway by teams, Branson offered to run and promote the rival series but his interest did not seem to extend beyond one comment for a bit of publicity.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 10:27

    Branson has been known to ‘court’ publicity on occasion - such stunts as ballooning around the world, dressing up as a bride to promote Virgin weddings and having a TV show (The Rebel Billionaire). So it’s not an impossible scenario…

    I'm waiting for him to do a stunt off Brackley F1's buildings then get stuck in the climbing harness :D

    Guess all we can do at the moment if you're a Honda fan is just try and stay positive about it. There's nothing much that can be said at the moment though it seems.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 10:29

    Time to write the Honda post? Or will you wait until ‘the end’?

    i don;t have the time to write it now, as i'm at school. will have to wait till later on in the week when i get chance i suppose.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 10:31

    Guess all we can do at the moment if you’re a Honda fan is just try and stay positive about it. There’s nothing much that can be said at the moment though it seems.

    Let's hope for the best and hope someone buys the team and sacks Nick Fry, so we can all draw a line under this unhappy mess :-(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 10:32

    Time to write the Honda post? Or will you wait until ‘the end’?

    I would like to write some kind of post about Honda in a historical perspective if you guys would like...?

  • lou23/02/2009 at 10:35

    Guess all we can do at the moment if you’re a Honda fan is just try and stay positive about it. There’s nothing much that can be said at the moment though it seems.

    yeah, but the prospect of a season without the team doesn't really bare thinking about in my mind. it will certainly take something out of the enjoyment i get from the sport. It will be a very long season without them and their drivers.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 10:39

    yeah, but the prospect of a season without the team doesn’t really bare thinking about in my mind. it will certainly take something out of the enjoyment i get from the sport. It will be a very long season without them and their drivers.

    The thing is we've heard now that USF1 have stated they'd look at an experienced driver when they start. Jenson looks pretty much set to miss out on a drive this season so if this is to be, could he sign up to USF1 in 2010 and spend the year with the team and getting them ready?

    Rubens, I'm pretty much feeling we've seen the last of him. Which is a shame like I said on here before, he's gone out with no real bow or thanking unless he gets the drive I just mentioned, but a year without a drive and he'd be 37 then pretty much seems like he'd be unlikely to get it.

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 10:44

    By the way, Lukeh and Joe - nice racing last night :)

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 10:46

    By the way, Lukeh and Joe - nice racing last night :)

    It was great fun. The first few races like at Istanbul I was stuck in Race Pro mode and slowing down for corners 100yrds from the corner like the F3000 cars on RP. The difference between the games in terms of car control and arcade/simulation racing is staggering, but both games are brilliant in their own right.

    Still gutted I lost that one race to you by spinning on a hairpin on the last lap ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 10:47

    The thing is we’ve heard now that USF1 have stated they’d look at an experienced driver when they start. Jenson looks pretty much set to miss out on a drive this season so if this is to be, could he sign up to USF1 in 2010 and spend the year with the team and getting them ready?

    Rubens, I’m pretty much feeling we’ve seen the last of him. Which is a shame like I said on here before, he’s gone out with no real bow or thanking unless he gets the drive I just mentioned, but a year without a drive and he’d be 37 then pretty much seems like he’d be unlikely to get it.

    What bums me out about Honda is the potential loss of the drivers to the sport. Expect to see Rubens do something like the ALMS in future with Gil De Ferran's Acura team...

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 10:47

    Still gutted I lost that one race to you by spinning on a hairpin on the last lap

    Just put you under too much pressure ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 10:48

    What bums me out about Honda is the potential loss of the drivers to the sport. Expect to see Rubens do something like the ALMS in future with Gil De Ferran’s Acura team…

    He did say he wanted to do Indy, but the missus wouldn't let him because she considered it too dangerous. As if F1 isn't just as risky!

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 11:34

    During a dispute years back before the last Concorde deal was signed and there was some threat of a breakaway by teams, Branson offered to run and promote the rival series but his interest did not seem to extend beyond one comment for a bit of publicity.

    Speaking of Concorde and Richard Branson... back when he was trying to buy the Concorde fleet after BA decided to take it out of service, having spurned his offer BA rather naughtily left one parked on the apron outside the Virgin hangar at Heathrow for months – as if to say "nyah nyah nyah"...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 11:43

    Speaking of Concorde and Richard Branson… back when he was trying to buy the Concorde fleet after BA decided to take it out of service, having spurned his offer BA rather naughtily left one parked on the apron outside the Virgin hangar at Heathrow for months – as if to say “nyah nyah nyah”…

    That sounds very much like how the British Establishment would operate - the same kind of jokers who made a deal with Sir Allen Stanford...

  • me23/02/2009 at 11:56

    I would like to write some kind of post about Honda in a historical perspective if you guys would like…?

    guest post for spc? of course.

    steven's set that bar pretty high mind you ;)

  • me23/02/2009 at 11:58

    did i miss this pic being mentioned somewhere:

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/ollie-pandafall-jpg

    hehe :D

  • Christine23/02/2009 at 12:01

    did i miss this pic being mentioned somewhere:

    They are even cuter upside down.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:04

    No one's answered my question yet, so I'll ask it again.

    Something doesn't add up here, you see.

    Why would Brawn and Fry reject Bernie's money? Especially considering we ALL know they are planning a management buy-out? If they really needed the money, they would've agreed to Bernie's money, FOTA or no.

    So that MUST mean they're still planning to buy the team, and that their funding is already good to go. Why isn't anyone picking up on that?

  • me23/02/2009 at 12:05

    Why would Brawn and Fry reject Bernie’s money? Especially considering we ALL know they are planning a management buy-out? If they really needed the money, they would’ve agreed to Bernie’s money, FOTA or no.

    maybethe terms were so bad they'd prefer to be unemployed?

  • me23/02/2009 at 12:06

    oooh, the man responded:

    http://twitter.com/richardbranson/status/1240519910

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:07

    maybe the terms were so bad they’d prefer to be unemployed?

    Hmmm, I don't think so. Business comes first, in this case. I mean, you can figure out how to get round Bernie's terms later - but not without giving yourself a chance! I mean, if Bernie's money was the last thing left that could save the team, would Brawn and Fry reject it? Given Brawn's love for racing and Fry's love to be in the spotlight, I don't think they'd reject it in that case.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:08

    oooh, the man responded:

    Has Nick responded already? :P Goodness, Branson is MUCH busier than him, and yet he's managed to reply!

  • me23/02/2009 at 12:09

    Given Brawn’s love for racing and Fry’s love to be in the spotlight, I don’t think they’d reject it in that case.

    maybe brawn has an offer to join another team?

    maybe the both do?

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:11

    maybe brawn has an offer to join another team?

    Possible. But the only position they can offer him now is team principal. And I don't see any vacancies right now.

    maybe the[y] both do?

    Fry? NOT possible. No way, no how. :P

  • me23/02/2009 at 12:12

    Fry? NOT possible. No way, no how. :P

    someone employed stepney.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:20

    someone employed stepney.

    The guy knows his motor racing - he wouldn't have been able to stay at Ferrari that long if it were otherwise.

    Fry is a completely different banana.

  • Jeremy23/02/2009 at 12:43

    oooh, the man responded:

    "If I had been talking to Honda, I would have signed an NDA"

    Does that mean he is and can't talk about it? Or, he isn't talking to them?

    Bah! Frustrating.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 12:47

    “If I had been talking to Honda, I would have signed an NDA”

    Does that mean he is and can’t talk about it? Or, he isn’t talking to them?

    Bah! Frustrating.

    Sounds like a non-denial denial. I reckon he is talking to them, we just don't know how serious he is...

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:48

    Does that mean he is and can’t talk about it? Or, he isn’t talking to them?

    Bah! Frustrating.

    Probably the latter, but hey, you never know.

    I wouldn't hope too much for it, though.

    EDIT: Reading Gavin's reply, I think it's a case of 'exploratory talks'. Anything can still happen, but again, I wouldn't put too much hope on it.

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 12:48

    I'm on Twitter now

    https://twitter.com/TheWiss

  • Dank23/02/2009 at 12:49

    http://twitter.com/CimaRacing

    According to this 'inside source':

    1. Management buyout will go ahead

    2. The buyout does NOT include Fry

    3. 50% staff cuts at the Honda factory.

    Hello salt! Let me pinch you!

  • Jeremy23/02/2009 at 12:50

    Honda never had any intention of selling the team but wished to appear to be making the effort before regretfully announcing no serious buyers could be found. After all, it would be horrendously embarrassing if the team under new ownership did better and also embarrassing if new ownership resulted in a shambolic exit soon after. There does seem to be circumstantial evidence that those with serious offers had difficulty being taken notice of. (GP.com report.)

    I'm liking this one. Management buyout is staged so it can be used as a scapegoat. Fry and Brawn are going to work for USF1

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 12:51

    2. The buyout does NOT include Fry

    PRAISE THE LORD! :D

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:51

    Hello salt! Let me pinch you!

    #1 is great to hear!

    #2 is too good to be true!

    #3 is inevitable given the current economic situation.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 12:55

    RealHondaF1.com's source saying that the information will be out in time to catch the 5PM news.

    I wonder how this will play out...

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 13:07

    I’m liking this one. Management buyout is staged so it can be used as a scapegoat. Fry and Brawn are going to work for USF1

    Brawn cant be leaving, he hasnt had a chance to do anything yet!

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 13:09

    Brawn cant be leaving, he hasnt had a chance to do anything yet!

    I hope he isn't. Fry - yes, get out now. Brawn - Please NO!

  • me23/02/2009 at 13:15

    I’m on Twitter now

    good stuff, don't forget you can add:

    http://twitter.com/sidepodcastdrop

    as a friend, to keep up with everything that gets fropioed.

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 13:21

    If you have to use a 9th engine this season. Will you only get the grid penalty in the first race you use it or in all races you use it?

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 13:27

    If you have to use a 9th engine this season. Will you only get the grid penalty in the first race you use it or in all races you use it?

    Let's quote Alia's wonderful article:

    If anyone uses a ninth engine in the season, they will have a 10-place grid drop for every race until the end of the season.

    Full link: http://formula1home.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=623

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)23/02/2009 at 13:27

    If you have to use a 9th engine this season. Will you only get the grid penalty in the first race you use it or in all races you use it?

    The first race you use it in :-)

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 13:28

    If anyone uses a ninth engine in the season, they will have a 10-place grid drop for every race until the end of the season.

    thanks

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 13:29

    I’m on Twitter now

    https://twitter.com/TheWiss

    Added!

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)23/02/2009 at 13:31

    If anyone uses a ninth engine in the season, they will have a 10-place grid drop for every race until the end of the season.

    For real?? That is so harsh!!!!!!

  • me23/02/2009 at 13:36

    quality lens:

    http://tinyurl.com/5pintsofawesomecamera

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 13:36

    I think I speak for some people here when I say: Lol Honda.

    : (

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 13:39

    quality lens:

    Impressive!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 13:52

    Re: Renault court Indian Sponsor,

    My friend has suggested the Reliance Industrial Group, which sounds feasible given the size and the types of business they are in. Any other ideas who it might be?

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 13:59

    quality lens:

    I can practically see up Mr O'Bama's nose...

    Hello salt! Let me pinch you!

    Some fellow who serves up nothing but 'me too' stories all of a sudden has an inside source? Pass me that salt...

  • Gavin+Brown+(RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 14:05

    I think I speak for some people here when I say: Lol Honda.

    I mean seriously, what the H?

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 14:06

    Honda have been a joke at times and still are even with their departure, that's what.

  • me23/02/2009 at 14:07

    I mean seriously, what the H?

    :D

  • me23/02/2009 at 14:12

    what happened to your name gavin?

    Gavin+Brown+(RubberGoat)

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 14:14

    From the Autosport forum:

    I've just had a look at Honda GP Limited on Companies House Direct - the UK company registry.

    A whole load of forms 403a have been filed today, releasing the company's assets from various charges that the company's funders held. Which suggests that the facilities have been paid off in full and means that the company would be free to sell those assets. In other words, something is definitely happening today and it looks like the rumour of the MBO completing today could well be true.

  • me23/02/2009 at 14:15

    In other words, something is definitely happening today and it looks like the rumour of the MBO completing today could well be true.

    blimey.

  • GavinBrown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 14:17

    what happened to your name gavin?

    Doohickey problems. I hit Ctrl-refresh but no dice (have to keep manually entering it) :-(

  • GavinBrown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 14:18

    I’ve just had a look at Honda GP Limited on Companies House Direct - the UK company registry.

    A whole load of forms 403a have been filed today, releasing the company’s assets from various charges that the company’s funders held. Which suggests that the facilities have been paid off in full and means that the company would be free to sell those assets. In other words, something is definitely happening today and it looks like the rumour of the MBO completing today could well be true.

    Whoaaoaoaoaa! That means (a) buyout or (b) administration/liquidation...

  • me23/02/2009 at 14:18

    Doohickey problems. I hit Ctrl-refresh but no dice (have to keep manually entering it) :-(

    can you give me more info please?

    - are you solely using doohickey?

    - what browser / os?

  • GavinBrown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 14:27

    can you give me more info please?

    - are you solely using doohickey?

    - what browser / os?

    Never mind - it's linked to the problem over the weekend. It seems to be fixed now...

  • me23/02/2009 at 14:28

    Never mind - it’s linked to the problem over the weekend. It seems to be fixed now…

    no worries, yell if you have more issues. still have a couple of weird character issues to resolve this week.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 14:30

    A whole load of forms 403a have been filed today, releasing the company’s assets from various charges that the company’s funders held. Which suggests that the facilities have been paid off in full and means that the company would be free to sell those assets. In other words, something is definitely happening today and it looks like the rumour of the MBO completing today could well be true.

    Blimey... thats MASSIVE news.

    Will we get told anything today then should an outcome come?

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 14:31

    If Lou were seeing this right now, she'd probably be going nuts.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 14:32

    Will we get told anything today then should an outcome come?

    They're saying that the team will probably announce it before 5 PM today. Failing that, the announcement can come as late as tomorrow morning.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 14:35

    They’re saying that they will probably announce it before 5 PM today. Failing that, the announcement can be as late as tomorrow morning.

    oooh, thanks. Fingers crossed it's a buyout! Plus this news is not in the early hours of the morning... :P

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 14:35

    They’re saying that they will probably announce it before 5 PM today. Failing that, the announcement can be as late as tomorrow morning.

    they being?

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 14:36

    they being?

    The RealHondaF1 'source'.

    The plot thickens.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 14:37

    OK, let me rewrite that:

    The source is saying that the team will probably announce it before 5 PM today. Failing that, the announcement can be as late as tomorrow morning.

  • me23/02/2009 at 14:38

    The source is saying that the team will probably announce it before 5 PM today. Failing that, the announcement can be as late as tomorrow morning.

    linky: http://www.f1network.net/main/s169/st140565.htm

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 14:39

    Before we get carried away, any signs of GMM?

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 14:45

    Before we get carried away, any signs of GMM?

    Nothing from what i've read yet...

  • me23/02/2009 at 14:49

    Before we get carried away, any signs of GMM?

    he's probably having a lie-in.

    :D

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 15:00

    Someone on autosport forums is saying a new rumour is Virgin will be the main sponsor of the team, rather than being an Virgin F1 team. Not confirmed with any sources though, still waiting for the actual MBO confirmation first of course :P

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 15:00

    Someone on autosport forums is saying a new rumour is Virgin will be the main sponsor of the team, rather than being an Virgin F1 team. Not confirmed with any sources though, still waiting for the actual MBO confirmation first of course

    It's like they're mind readers or something!

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 15:06

    It’s like they’re mind readers or something!

    That's what I said last night!

    Is Richard Branson a Sidepodcast fan now? :)

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 15:11

    Is Richard Branson a Sidepodcast fan now?

    Mr C has been questioning him about Honda via Twitter AFAIK so maybe he's taken an interest ;)

  • GavinBrown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 15:14

    That’s what I said last night!

    Is Richard Branson a Sidepodcast fan now? :)

    I agree with Journeyer - Branson is interested but doesn't want to buy a team. He can test the water by being a sponsor and buy in to it if F1 changes how he wants. Otherwise he can walk away and it's easier to do that as a sponsor than sell the team...

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 15:37

    Right. Time for a reality check, then. From the Autosport Forum:

    "Oh dear. Shame about Honda. My contact on the board says that the management buyout is most likely to go through and that nothing has changed in that it will not give the team enough money to get to Monaco. Hence the huge cuts expected (and Button's 50% pay cut as my man told me a while ago). Apparently closure of the team is still a real possibility - talks going on right now. I should have more news in an hour or so and if it shuts I may be able to reveal the name of my source."

    And in other news...

    "Also heard that Donington's Simon Gillett is in a crunch meeting today too but that's for another thread!"

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 15:41

    Uh oh. Not good.

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 15:45

    “Oh dear. Shame about Honda. My contact on the board says that the management buyout is most likely to go through and that nothing has changed in that it will not give the team enough money to get to Monaco. Hence the huge cuts expected (and Button’s 50% pay cut as my man told me a while ago). Apparently closure of the team is still a real possiblity - talks going on right now. I should have more news in an hour or so and if it shuts I may be able to reveal the name of my source.”

    you never know, if honda are half decent someone might decide that its a worth while investment

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 15:48

    you never know, if honda are half decent someone might decide that its a worth while investment

    true, but then how can that honda prove itself to be half-decent in 5 races? that's a tough act, to say the least.

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 15:56

    Perhaps David Sylvian may buy the team as a 51st birthday present to himself?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Sylvian

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 15:57

    One hour.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 16:00

    One hour.

    Not necessarily, the rumours say up till tomorrow morning

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 16:01

    One hour.

    Don't take it as a hard deadline. There's a possibility that the announcement will not be made by the deadline.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 16:02

    Perhaps David Sylvian may buy the team as a 51st birthday present to himself?

    Whatever would he do with it? :P

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 16:03

    Yes, but if not's there by 5ish, then it will be tomorrow.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 16:05

    Yes, but if not’s there by 5ish, then it will be tomorrow.

    They said the announcement could be made this evening. So we should be in a heightened state of awareness for the next 18-24 hours.

  • F1Wolf23/02/2009 at 16:07

    seems like everybody is getting excited about that story published on F1network - is there any reason for that source to be taken so seriously ?

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)23/02/2009 at 16:09

    Realistically though what is gonna happen?

    I get the feeling we've fretted about Honda for the last 120+ days for nothing

    I blame Nick Fry!!!

  • F1Wolf23/02/2009 at 16:09

    Quick question: Did anyone join the Singapore GP ‘Name the Turns’ contest? If yes, did you receive a confirmation email after you sent your entry?

    I did not join that contest but I submitted a photo to the other one they run and I got some confirmation and thank you message on the screen. no email though

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 16:11

    seems like everybody is getting excited about that story published on F1network - is there any reason for that source to be taken so seriously?

    1. There's nothing else to take seriously.

    2. This quote from the Autosport Forum:

    I’ve just had a look at Honda GP Limited on Companies House Direct - the UK company registry.

    A whole load of forms 403a have been filed today, releasing the company’s assets from various charges that the company’s funders held. Which suggests that the facilities have been paid off in full and means that the company would be free to sell those assets. In other words, something is definitely happening today and it looks like the rumour of the MBO completing today could well be true.

    I did not join that contest but I submitted a photo to the other one they run and I got some confirmation and thank you message on the screen. no email though

    But then for that contest, you just uploaded the image on a website. The 'Name the Turns' contest is being done through email.

  • F1Wolf23/02/2009 at 16:17

    But then for that contest, you just uploaded the image on a website. The ‘Name the Turns’ contest is being done through email.

    oh, OK, did not know that, I haven't thought of coming up with names of corners ...

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 16:19

    Whatever would he do with it?

    Teach Nick Fry to play fretless bass?

    Just had an email from team FIF1 confirming March 1 launch.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 16:22

    Just had an email from team FIF1 confirming March 1 launch.

    I was just about to say, I just noticed it says it on their web site too.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 16:23

    oh, OK, did not know that, I haven’t thought of coming up with names of corners …

    Before that contest, I hadn't thought of any, either. But when I heard of it, a nice name quickly came to my mind. :)

    Teach Nick Fry to play fretless bass?

    But Fry isn't part of the sale, right? ;)

    Just had an email from team FIF1 confirming March 1 launch.

    I wonder what they'll do for the launch...

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 16:24

    I wonder what they’ll do for the launch…

    Looks like just a session on track

    http://www.forceindiaf1.com/news.aspx?nid=73399&rt=2

  • RG23/02/2009 at 16:26

    You know your an F1 fan when you are asked to list things you know about China, you immediatly think of the grand prix.

    I take it Mr C has reset it back to the new lclt. Is it safe now to uninstall Chrome now?

  • Rich23/02/2009 at 16:32

    Realistically though what is gonna happen?

    It pains me to say it, but I think there is little hope for the team. How is a management buy out without huge sponsorship going to survive? I think it would be a lingering and protracted death.

    On a purely economic consideration, Honda could say we tried but there were no serious buyers, sell the assets and be less out of pocket that had it given the team away to a new enterprise.

    There is a certain commonsense but cynical motive to this strategy.

    I am sad that Honda is unlikely to make the grid in Australia, but it might be better for the drivers this situation at the start of the season rather than to expire part-way through as Super Aguri did last year.

  • me23/02/2009 at 16:35

    seems like everybody is getting excited about that story published on F1network - is there any reason for that source to be taken so seriously ?

    nope.

  • me23/02/2009 at 16:36

    1. There’s nothing else to take seriously.

    even less reason to do so then.

  • me23/02/2009 at 16:38

    I take it Mr C has reset it back to the new lclt. Is it safe now to uninstall Chrome now?

    not sure what you mean?

  • RG23/02/2009 at 16:39

    not sure what you mean?

    Can I unistall Chrome without the fear of firefox crashing on lclt again?

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)23/02/2009 at 16:40

    3 months of waiting and it comes down to waiting for an annoucement possibly being made at 5pm, what has my life become?

    Can Honda just put up or shut up, i'm sick to death of will they or won't they. I know being a fan means we're at the bottom of the pile priority wise but how anyone could consider support them after this escapade is beyond me at the moment. I'm left with a bitter taste whenever anyone mentions Honda and it's nothing to do with Rubens, Jenson, or the hard working staff, it's the inept muppets at the top.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 16:44

    it’s the inept muppets at the top.

    Brilliant way to describe them. So I forgot, the Honda announcement is being made today, what does the announcement mean? If they have been bought or not?

  • Jackie23/02/2009 at 16:46

    Speculation re Honda on James Allen's Blog http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/the-honda-story-hots-up/

  • me23/02/2009 at 16:47

    Can I unistall Chrome without the fear of firefox crashing on lclt again?

    umm, when did lclt crash ff? soz, must've missed something?

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)23/02/2009 at 16:47

    Brilliant way to describe them. So I forgot, the Honda announcement is being made today, what does the announcement mean? If they have been bought or not

    I belive this annoucement that may or may not happen at 5pm relates to a management buyout. Somewhere earlier in the thread someone has noticed that various business forms have been submitted to the goverment which usually means serious and imminent changes to a company..ie taken over, disovled etc

  • RG23/02/2009 at 16:48

    umm, when did lclt crash ff? soz, must’ve missed something?

    Last bloomin night when my posts kept disappearing.

  • Paul23/02/2009 at 16:52

    Apologies, but I have'nt read all the comments today on the Honda subject, but I was wondering..... What happens if they find a buyer, with less than 5 weeks to the start of the season have they got time to pass the crash tests, do their own tests and put a car on the grid that does'nt comprimise any other cars on the grid and complies to the regs. I think it''s a big ask to get all that done in less than 5 weeks, so the next question is will they or can they be allowed to miss the start of the season and still join in later when the car complies?

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)23/02/2009 at 16:54

    Apologies, but I have’nt read all the comments today on the Honda subject, but I was wondering….. What happens if they find a buyer, with less than 5 weeks to the start of the season have they got time to pass the crash tests, do their own tests and put a car on the grid that does’nt comprimise any other cars on the grid and complies to the regs. I think it’’s a big ask to get all that done in less than 5 weeks, so the next question is will they or can they be allowed to miss the start of the season and still join in later when the car complies?

    I believe they are free to join at any race providing they have an approved 2009 FIA entry slot (which the team last know as Honda do). Realistically they'll be legal unable to compete until all safety tests and administration is cleared up. I think Spyker started halfway through 2006???

  • me23/02/2009 at 16:55

    Last bloomin night when my posts kept disappearing.

    oh right, soz didn't know that's what you did (had studio squeaks to deal with, have yet to go through comments). ff should be fine now. no more lclt updates until movable boxes arrive in about 2wks.

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 16:55

    Am very much looking forward to hearing some actual proper news about Honda that isn't speculation and rumours and 'inside sources' now.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 16:56

    ff should be fine now. no more lclt updates until movable boxes arrive in about 2wks.

    Movable boxes! WOO! You deserve them donations ;)

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 16:59

    oh right, soz didn’t know that’s what you did (had studio squeaks to deal with, have yet to go through comments). ff should be fine now. no more lclt updates until movable boxes arrive in about 2wks.

    sounds great mr c, looking forward to it. If anyone wants to see the video and comments at the same time (on Firefox) until then they can always try the suggestion I posted in the comments last night to have a 'split browser'

  • me23/02/2009 at 17:04

    with less than 5 weeks to the start of the season have they got time to pass the crash tests

    there's nothing to say they haven't already though?

    they have an engine and they've likely fitted it into the car. we don't know how far down the road they actually are?

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:16

    I don’t know the whole history of Branson, but other than the Northern Rock thing, has he a track record of doing this? Or, could it just be that both Northern Rock and Honda are rotten to the core, which Branson came to realise during discussions with both?

    Branson can get free publicity any time he likes. All he has to do is announce any good news about any of his businesses and a camera crew turns up. If he was to issue any press statement with a progress update on Virgin Galactic he could have got all the coverage he did but his own products would have been the subject of discussion rather than a failed F1 team.

  • Dan Brunell23/02/2009 at 17:17

    Fry and Brawn are going to work for USF1

    If they pick up Fry, I will drop USF1 like a sack of potatoes. Who the heck would hire that guy after what he has done at Honda? Really, it like hiring Dr. Kevorkian to work in your Emergency Room.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:22

    Why would Brawn and Fry reject Bernie’s money? Especially considering we ALL know they are planning a management buy-out? If they really needed the money, they would’ve agreed to Bernie’s money, FOTA or no.

    No-one who ever was in partnership with Bernie got a good deal. Can you imagine Bernie putting up $100 million and letting Nick Fry or Ross Brawn make decisions. They would no doubt have some option to buy him out but could never raise the capital to do it. As soon as the economy picked up or Bernie found a buyer he would sell the majority stake from under them.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 17:25

    No-one who ever was in partnership with Bernie got a good deal. Can you imagine Bernie putting up $100 million and letting Nick Fry or Ross Brawn make decisions. They would no doubt have some option to buy him out but could never raise the capital to do it. As soon as the economy picked up or Bernie found a buyer he would sell the majority stake from under them.

    But again, I go back to my original point: if this was the last option to prevent the team from closing up and unemploying hundreds of people, would you still say no? It's a lot tougher from that standpoint.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:26

    oooh, the man responded:

    Branson say if he was to get involved he would insist Bernie made Honda greener. Was that a slip of the tongue or is he getting invvolved with Bernie at Honda.

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 17:27

    From the Autosport Forum:

    I popped over and had a look at that thread. I know I often bang on about this sort of thing, but I do question the mentality of people who preen on web forums – showing off and dishing out 'inside info' from behind a pseudonym. Most peculiar form of self-aggrandisment. I suspect that they just love to get the forumites a-twittering.

    Branson can get free publicity any time he likes.

    He does have 'previous' when it comes to popping up and offering to buy basket cases, though.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:27

    someone employed stepney.

    Stepney is really good. He turned the Ferrari pit crew from a complete shambles to a championship dominating team. Nick Fry thought he was as good as Dave Richards but he is not fit to lace DR's shoes.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:29

    I’m liking this one. Management buyout is staged so it can be used as a scapegoat. Fry and Brawn are going to work for USF1

    Why would anyone hire Fry

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 17:29

    No-one who ever was in partnership with Bernie got a good deal.

    He has propped up a lot of ailing teams out of his own pocket in the past, though. And when he hasn't – eg Super Aguri – it's because he knew the proprietors were taking the p--s out of him.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 17:30

    Am very much looking forward to hearing some actual proper news about Honda that isn’t speculation and rumours and ‘inside sources’ now.

    So what DID James Allen confirm? To summarize:

    1. No final decision on Honda for another week or so - i.e. they're extending the deadline, again.

    2. Nick Fry is currently not part of the MBO deal.

    3. Honda will come back when their company's 'slight cold' has been cured - i.e. after the recession ends, something very typical of a manufacturer to say.

    #2 will no doubt be a cause for celebration. If nothing is indeed announced in the next 24 hours, that should keep us optimistic until next week.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:31

    quality lens:

    TWIT did a thing on gigapan and it is not at all expensive. Don't buy one.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 17:34

    why can't all this honda stuff be over, it's just too painful now.

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 17:38

    it’s just too painful now.

    Best advice is to go to the pub. That's what I'm going to do (just for one, mind).

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 17:38

    why can’t all this honda stuff be over, it’s just too painful now.

    because business is never straightforward. add to that the ineffectiveness of fry and honda, and you get a shambles of a buyout process.

    it's tough, but that's how it works sometimes.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:40

    I agree with Journeyer - Branson is interested but doesn’t want to buy a team. He can test the water by being a sponsor and buy in to it if F1 changes how he wants. Otherwise he can walk away and it’s easier to do that as a sponsor than sell the team…

    He has the choice of buying a team for a pittance and having sponsors pay for it while he and his companies get publicity for as long as he owns it or paying out a load of money in sponsorship and getting publicity as long as he keeps paying money. The guy didn't become a billionaire by pouring money down a hole ten times when he could do it once.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 17:41

    Best advice is to go to the pub. That’s what I’m going to do (just for one, mind).

    i would go to the pub if i was old enough to get served anything alcoholic ;), and if i didn't have so much work to do :(

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:42

    1. There’s nothing else to take seriously. 2. This quote from the Autosport Forum:

    Surely if someone is monitoring Honda GP on the Companies House site they should also be monitoring Honda GP Holdings.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 17:48

    Surely if someone is monitoring Honda GP on the Companies House site they should also be monitoring Honda GP Holdings.

    Good point, but maybe the guy had access to the Companies House site doesn't have access to the Holdings records?

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:50

    there’s nothing to say they haven’t already though?

    I assume they have passed the crash tests since we haven't heard otherwise. The only thing that could screw that up is if they need the correct engine in the car for tests on the rear crash structure but I guess Ali is the only person who knows what the crash tests are. I know there is a head on test and a side impact test and I am sure there are three separate tests but I have no idea what they are.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:52

    He does have ‘previous’ when it comes to popping up and offering to buy basket cases, though.

    That is how it is interpreted but he may simply have had a look at Northern Rock and others and not liked the deal. In his position if I had no interest in being involved in F1 I would have done what he did and taken all the publicity. However if I was him and was interested I would have don exactly the same.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 17:53

    He has the choice of buying a team for a pittance and having sponsors pay for it while he and his companies get publicity for as long as he owns it or paying out a load of money in sponsorship and getting publicity as long as he keeps paying money. The guy didn’t become a billionaire by pouring money down a hole ten times when he could do it once.

    $40 million isn't so much of a pittance, to be honest. While it would be very cheap to buy the team, funding it afterwards isn't that cheap.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:54

    Best advice is to go to the pub. That’s what I’m going to do (just for one, mind).

    Stuart C tells underaged teenager to go to the pub. I can see the headlines now.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:55

    Good point, but maybe the guy had access to the Companies House site doesn’t have access to the Holdings records?

    Anyone can get basic info but I assume he has paid a fee for the kind of access he has and since both companies are the same type of company of he can get access to one he can get access to both.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 17:58

    Stuart C tells underaged teenager to go to the pub. I can see the headlines now.

    Hahaha! This should be immortalized. This goes to the Comment of the Year list! :D

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 17:58

    $40 million isn’t so much of a pittance, to be honest. While it would be very cheap to buy the team, funding it afterwards isn’t that cheap.

    If he was their main sponsor he is going to pay the same amount and on 1st Jan next year he has to pay the same again. If he buys the team he can get all sorts of people to sponsor him. I am sure Boeing or Airbus would be happy to put up a few million in return for his next plane order for example. Think of all the money his companies spend with suppliers and if each of those suppliers put 10% of that into sponsorship it would cover the team costs comfortably.

  • Scott Woodwiss23/02/2009 at 18:03

    1. No final decision on Honda for another week or so - i.e. they’re extending the deadline, again. 2. Nick Fry is currently not part of the MBO deal. 3. Honda will come back when their company’s ’slight cold’ has been cured - i.e. after the recession ends, something very typical of a manufacturer to say.

    #3 - So should we start taking bets on how long they're going to last when they decide to come back?

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 18:03

    If he was their main sponsor he is going to pay the same amount and on 1st Jan next year he has to pay the same again. If he buys the team he can get all sorts of people to sponsor him. I am sure Boeing or Airbus would be happy to put up a few million in return for his next plane order for example. Think of all the money his companies spend with suppliers and if each of those suppliers put 10% of that into sponsorship it would cover the team costs comfortably.

    And what if Branson suddenly lost interest in F1, like Shnaider did? How would he sell it off? I think that's the point here - Branson isn't so sure yet if he's willing to take that risk now. He'd rather test the waters for a year before committing to a team.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 18:05

    #3 - So should we start taking bets on how long they’re going to last when they decide to come back?

    no.

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:05

    TWIT did a thing on gigapan and it is not at all expensive. Don’t buy one.

    *googles gigapan*

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 18:09

    *googles gigapan*

    You don't need one.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 18:09

    #3 - So should we start taking bets on how long they’re going to last when they decide to come back?

    Honda's 1st stint lasted 4 years, thereabouts.

    Honda's 2nd stint lasted 9 years, thereabouts.

    Honda's 3rd stint lasted 9 years, thereabouts.

    If they'll do a 4th stint, expect it to last 8-9 years.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 18:10

    And what if Branson suddenly lost interest in F1, like Shnaider did? How would he sell it off? I think that’s the point here - Branson isn’t so sure yet if he’s willing to take that risk now. He’d rather test the waters for a year before committing to a team.

    He is not going to get in without a plan unlike Schnaider. If he did buy he would have an exit plan. One thing is certain there is never going to be a way for a long time to get a deal remotely as good as this one.

  • Sebastian (Birmingham, UK)23/02/2009 at 18:12

    Branson can get free publicity any time he likes. All he has to do is announce any good news about any of his businesses and a camera crew turns up. If he was to issue any press statement with a progress update on Virgin Galactic he could have got all the coverage he did but his own products would have been the subject of discussion rather than a failed F1 team.

    Yes, but he garnered that position by being so good at providing journalists with good copy on a very wide variety of subjects, many flash-in-the-pan, but journos worry about what to write today and forget what they wrote last month. He's a genius at feeding the media. Virgin Rail staked their reputation on those leaning trains. Finally after years of delay, they introduced them before the press. The trains failed to perform. Did the media drub him for it? No. He did a Houdini act by choosing that time to announce Virgin were going into space and the train-failure was hardly mentioned. He plays them like a violin.

    Someone on autosport forums is saying a new rumour is Virgin will be the main sponsor of the team, rather than being an Virgin F1 team.

    Virgin have a long record of spending modestly on adverting, especially considering the Virgin brand-name is on hundreds of products and services. Although Virgin Mobile did sponsor in F1 in the past, I believe that back then the brand name was licensed out with the main Virgin group only owning a minority stake.

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:12

    You don’t need one.

    i want one.

  • Christine23/02/2009 at 18:15

    i want one.

    I want a baby panda. We don't all gets what we wants.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 18:16

    I want a baby panda. We don’t all gets what we wants.

    You could get a panda and he could photograph it with the gigathing. Keeps everyone happy.

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:18

    I want a baby panda. We don’t all gets what we wants.

    ...tempting.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 18:20

    I want a baby panda. We don’t all gets what we wants.

    Ooooh... that one hit the spot. :P

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:21

    You could get a panda and he could photograph it with the gigathing. Keeps everyone happy.

    if it were upside-down having fallen off of a slide, that would make an excellent gigpan.

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:36

    with all the honda no-news, i'd forgotten about tomorrow's bbc press conference thingy. word from ms. mckenzie:

    "Busy few days ahead. Today:first BBC F1 full run through - should be eye opening! Tomorrow: BBC F1 launch. Exciting times!"

    http://twitter.com/LeeMcK/status/1240388884

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 18:37

    if it were upside-down having fallen off of a slide, that would make an excellent gigpan.

    Ooooh... not very friendly to the panda, I see.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 18:38

    with all the honda no-news, i’d forgotten about tomorrow’s bbc press conference thingy. word from ms. mckenzie:

    Didn;t even know... looking forward to that now!

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:38

    Didn;t even know… looking forward to that now!

    worth following the lady on twitter too, methinks.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 18:39

    with all the honda no-news, i’d forgotten about tomorrow’s bbc press conference thingy. word from ms. mckenzie

    Is it just me, or is this particular pre-season busier than usual?

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:41

    Is it just me, or is this particular pre-season busier than usual?

    personally, i'm just paying more attention this year.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 18:43

    worth following the lady on twitter too, methinks.

    Just signed up. Noticed she doesn't have that many followers at the mo so sent her a nice good luck message for the season :)

    I'm really looking forward to the BBC's coverage. I know ITV did a great job minus the adverts business, but I just think the BBC have the technology to provide a whole new platform for F1 coverage.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 18:43

    Oops, that should be just signed up for following, even.

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:45

    Is it just me, or is this particular pre-season busier than usual?

    here's what we were talking about this time last year:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/02/

    nothing much exciting :)

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 18:46

    Is it just me, or is this particular pre-season busier than usual?

    I have been thinking exactly the opposite. All the drivers were signed up early. We don't have any teams looking for engines. There has been very little testing to follow. For me it is the quietest pre-season in a long time with only cars designed to the new regs providing any real interest.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 18:48

    here’s what we were talking about this time last year:

    I was looking through the list for the daily posts and then I remembered we didn't have them then. Amazing how quickly something new becomes the norm.

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:49

    joe says all is not peachy in abu dhabi:

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/is-anyone-really-safe/

    but f1 circuit shouldn't be affected.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 18:51

    I have been thinking exactly the opposite. All the drivers were signed up early. We don’t have any teams looking for engines. There has been very little testing to follow. For me it is the quietest pre-season in a long time with only cars designed to the new regs providing any real interest.

    Good point. I think what IS true is that there has been much more speculation this year than in pre-seasons past, thanks to the new rules, plus the Honda sell-off.

    I was looking through the list for the daily posts and then I remembered we didn’t have them then. Amazing how quickly something new becomes the norm.

    We didn't even have them until the 2008 season ended - which wasn't that long ago, really. ;)

  • me23/02/2009 at 18:55

    We didn’t even have them until the 2008 season ended - which wasn’t that long ago, really. ;)

    next year, we'll have "hourly's" ;)

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 18:57

    sidepodspace

    Those of you in a dark area in North America will have the opportunity to see a comet tonight. It says on the NASA site that it will be visible from a dark site. I blame George Lucas for making me read it as being visible from the dark side.

    http://www.nasa.gov/

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 18:59

    next year, we’ll have “hourly’s”

    Christine won't like the idea of having to create at least 24 posts a day. :P

  • me23/02/2009 at 19:02

    I blame George Lucas for making me read it as being visible from the dark side.

    earlier today i wanted to use a mac mini. i was told it wasn't the mac mini i was looking for.

    suspecting a jedi mind trick i insisted, but it turns out it really wasn't the one i was looking for, as that had in fact been moved elsewhere.

    i blame george too.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 19:04

    Yet another change to engine rules.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73396

  • me23/02/2009 at 19:08

    Yet another change to engine rules.

    makes sense though doesn't it? seems like a reasonable request.

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 19:10

    Yet another change to engine rules.

    FOTA requested for it, apparently. They think it goes against the spirit of the rule.

    FOTA reporting a loophole? What has the world come to?

    A recession is what we've come to, apparently.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 19:12

    makes sense though doesn’t it? seems like a reasonable request.

    Yes but why are they never able to consider things like this when they write the rules in the first place. Common sense says if teams are only allowed 8 engines for a season they are going to identify one as a qualifying engine. Anyone on the inside of F1 should have realised that straight away.

  • me23/02/2009 at 19:12

    not sure if we covered this already, but james allen says "real honda f1" have solid sources:

    http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/the-honda-story-hots-up/

  • Dank23/02/2009 at 19:13

    with all the honda no-news, i’d forgotten about tomorrow’s bbc press conference thingy. word from ms. mckenzie:

    BBC F1 schedule page has been updated again

    Bit more info on how the it will all work:

    The BBC's red button interactive TV service will broadcast live coverage of all on-track sessions and an extended show after each race and qualifying session, as well as offering alternative video streams, such as on-board cameras and F1 data.

    The BBC Sport website will broadcast live video coverage of every on-track session, as well as carrying all the television coverage.

    Among a number of other features will be extra analytical data during the race, in-depth looks at the drivers, teams, tracks and an F1 car, as well as reports, news and insight from the TV team, broadcasting legend Murray Walker and driver columnist Mark Webber of Red Bull.

    Sounding rather delicious!

  • me23/02/2009 at 19:15

    Sounding rather delicious!

    wow. agreed.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 19:16

    Sounding rather delicious!

    wow. sounds awesome :) can't wait.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 19:16

    Sounding rather delicious!

    I liked Webbers column last year, so looking forward to more stuff this yeaer.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 19:16

    Sounding rather delicious!

    Sure does, I like how highlights are at 7pm.If a race was really superb, waiting till 11/2midnight was annoying!

    Extended show sounds like a brilliant idea...

  • lou23/02/2009 at 19:19

    Extended show sounds like a brilliant idea…

    Hopefully means they will show the whole press conference rather than just tuning in for what lewis said.

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 19:23

    Stuart C tells underaged teenager to go to the pub. I can see the headlines now.

    They all do it anyway. I just like to watch the tactics they use to try to avoid being asked for ID.

    Sounding rather delicious!

    It does, doesn't it? Nice to see our licence fee going on something other than Mastershout.

    P.S. It turned into two.

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 19:24

    Sounding rather delicious!

    I want

  • RG23/02/2009 at 19:24

    They all do it anyway. I just like to watch the tactics they use to try to avoid being asked for ID.

    We all do? Do we now?

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 19:27

    Common sense says if teams are only allowed 8 engines for a season they are going to identify one as a qualifying engine.

    But I thought they aren't allowed to change engines between quali and race since it's in parc ferme?

  • lou23/02/2009 at 19:27

    They all do it anyway. I just like to watch the tactics they use to try to avoid being asked for ID.

    not all of us. i don't, some of my friends do. tbh i don't actually have the time to go out drinking on the week, plus i'm not sure i'd really want to.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 19:27

    Hopefully means they will show the whole press conference rather than just tuning in for what lewis said.

    There were other people in the press conference?!

    :P

  • lou23/02/2009 at 19:28

    not all of us. i don’t, some of my friends do. tbh i don’t actually have the time to go out drinking on the week, plus i’m not sure i’d really want to.

    *weekend

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 19:28

    P.S. It turned into two.

    Two drinks then? Heh. ;)

  • lou23/02/2009 at 19:28

    There were other people in the press conference?!

    :)

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 19:32

    They all do it anyway. I just like to watch the tactics they use to try to avoid being asked for ID.

    i've never been ID'd, but then again its not illegal for me to buy drinks and stuff...so what i just said was a tad pointless...humm...

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 19:34

    Apparently, Ito-san's claim to fame is helping develop the NSX - you know, the car Senna helped design... Google it up.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 19:37

    Apparently, Ito-san’s claim to fame is helping develop the NSX - you know, the car Senna helped design… Google it up.

    Meh. That car was the weirdest Supercar... Too sensible and yet goes like stink.

  • Stuart C23/02/2009 at 19:44

    There were other people in the press conference?!

    I only realised this when I was sitting in the media centre and it carried on after Lewis had finished speaking. Not only that, they held press conferences when Lewis wasn't on the podium. Knock me down with a feather.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 19:45

    Knock me down with a feather.

    :D

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 19:46

    I only realised this when I was sitting in the media centre and it carried on after Lewis had finished speaking. Not only that, they held press conferences when Lewis wasn’t on the podium. Knock me down with a feather.

    Those pints have gone to your head, don't be so ludicrous!

  • me23/02/2009 at 19:50

    Those pints have gone to your head, don’t be so ludicrous!

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 19:51

    Those pints have gone to your head, don’t be so ludicrous!

    Five Pints? Awesome!

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 19:51

    Been watching David Letterman a lot, lately. Just wanna use his latest favorite line in a sentence.

    Honda, I wouldn't give your troubles to a monkey on a rock.

    Makes sense figuratively AND literally. :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:00

    Makes sense figuratively AND literally.

    Makes a change for Mr Letterman!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:09

    Man, it's quiet here tonight. No news about Honda then?

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 20:10

    This made me laugh: http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/11463/900/

    The chairman of A1GP says now F1 has just one tyre supplier and Force India, Bernie should buy A1 instead of copying it. (??)

    The bit I like is what's written at the end of the story: "This year's standard A1 car is based on the 2004 formula one Ferrari." :D

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 20:11

    Man, it’s quiet here tonight. No news about Honda then?

    I just saw a Honda Accord outside.

    Bit of honda news to send in there.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:11

    The chairman of A1GP says now F1 has just one tyre supplier and Force India, Bernie should buy A1 instead of copying it. (??)

    That story was a bit looney!

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:11

    Man, it’s quiet here tonight. No news about Honda then?

    I just saw a Honda Accord outside.

    Bit of honda news to send in there.

    :D

  • RG23/02/2009 at 20:12

    I just saw a Honda Accord outside.

    I see a Honda Accord outside every day, and a Jazz as well.

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:12

    That story was a bit looney!

    sounds to me like a1gp is in heaps of trouble.

    who goes to the press and says that?

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:13

    ooh, i just remembered. in doohickey you can quote a whole comment by clicking on the writer's name, like you can in lclt.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:13

    sounds to me like a1gp is in heaps of trouble.

    who goes to the press and says that?

    How can you say that A1GP is in a bit of trouble because of that story?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:14

    EXCLUSIVE Bourdais admits F1 nearly lost him to USA - Crash.net

    I am surprised no-one has posted this yet...

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:15

    How can you say that A1GP is in a bit of trouble because of that story?

    technically it's gmm, so i can't say anything.

    but, ontop of all the other problems the series is facing (and they do have problems), who goes on record with the line "[bernie] should buy me out"?

    that's a for sale sign right there. as big and as wide as you care to imagine.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 20:16

    but, ontop of all the other problems the series is facing (and they do have problems), who goes on record with the line “[bernie] should buy me out”?

    I think its called a 'joke' ;)

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 20:17

    That story was a bit looney!

    Very odd.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:17

    that’s a for sale sign right there. as big and as wide as you care to imagine.

    Fair enough. A1GP has always been at loggerheads with Bernie. Why do you think there is a GP2 Asia series? So Bernie can rival A1GP of course!

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:17

    I think its called a ‘joke’ ;)

    hmm. i'm not so sure. i guess you can read it either way, and i doubt that he even said it. but if he did, that's a "golf sale" sign right there.

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:19

    Fair enough. A1GP has always been at loggerheads with Bernie. Why do you think there is a GP2 Asia series? So Bernie can rival A1GP of course!

    from what i understand, the people behind the series are a bit clueless and it's a miracle they've lasted as long as they have.

    to me it's only a matter of time, but we'll see.

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 20:20

    but, ontop of all the other problems the series is facing (and they do have problems), who goes on record with the line “[bernie] should buy me out”?

    The GMM story uses the word "pleaded". Makes it even stranger...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:21

    from what i understand, the people behind the series are a bit clueless and it’s a miracle they’ve lasted as long as they have.

    to me it’s only a matter of time, but we’ll see.

    You could call them that, but there have been things that have happened that were out of their control. I think we have discussed this before and on Sidepodchat Ep. 1 as well...

  • Dank23/02/2009 at 20:21

    Hot BBC F1 gossip!

    CBBC will have some F1 content! :-D

    (don't know what exactly, but hey, sounds good!)

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 20:23

    So is it now safe to assume Honda won't make a 5pm announcement?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 20:23

    So is it now safe to assume Honda won’t make a 5pm announcement?

    Depends on what Timezone the announcers are in ;-)

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 20:23

    So is it now safe to assume Honda won’t make a 5pm announcement?

    Unless they use sidepodcast time.

    5ish.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 20:24

    CBBC will have some F1 content! :-D

    Uncle Murray's Jackie-nory

  • RG23/02/2009 at 20:25

    Uncle Murray’s Jackie-nory

    Dom Jolly Jackie and Ollie!!!!

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 20:28

    Dom Jolly Jackie and Ollie!!!!

    :D

  • Dave In NZL23/02/2009 at 20:32

    realhondaf1.com are reporting:

    "a management buyout of the Honda Racing F1 team has been completed, with a change in the senior staff also taking place. With news of significant, but specific, job cuts, we expect to see an official announcement on the future of the team this evening or early tomorrow morning."

    more here: http://www.f1network.net/main/s169.htm

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:32

    btw. didn't know this, but there's a mobile version of drop.io available here:

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/m

    in case you're ever short of bandwidth. yet again though, everything is listed in the least logical order

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 20:33

    Dom Jolly Jackie and Ollie!!!!

    We haven't even sorted out the theme tune yet!

    I think we need Giggles.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 20:33

    realhondaf1.com are reporting:

    Can you tell them to wait till I've finished my maths?

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 20:37

    a management buyout of the Honda Racing F1 team has been completed, with a change in the senior staff also taking place. With news of significant, but specific, job cuts, we expect to see an official announcement on the future of the team this evening or early tomorrow morning.”

    Damn. Am not gonna have internet then. :(

  • RG23/02/2009 at 20:38

    I think we need Giggles.

    :D

  • me23/02/2009 at 20:38

    Damn. Am not gonna have internet then. :(

    surely they must have figured it'll happen at 1am(ish)?

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 20:38

    Isn't this the story we've had all day though?

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 20:39

    Can you tell them to wait till I’ve finished my maths?

    what module and topic?

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 20:39

    There is something odd about a management buyout where the senior member of the management is not involved.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 20:40

    what module and topic?

    I've got it covered, its only Honda...

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 20:41

    I’ve got it covered, its only Honda…

    ahh, so your motivated to do maths, you havent hit "the wall" yet....

    we all have...its grim

  • Journeyer23/02/2009 at 20:45

    There is something odd about a management buyout where the senior member of the management is not involved.

    He IS involved. Brawn is definitely there, and I've always thought that he was the man running the show in 2008, not Fry.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 20:47

    Can you tell them to wait till I’ve finished my maths?

    and i've finished my psychology :P

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 20:48

    He IS involved. Brawn is definitely there, and I’ve always thought that he was the man running the show in 2008, not Fry.

    Fry was the guy dealing with Japan that meant he was in charge. Brawn may have been team principal but he was not head of the company. Martin Whitmarsh is team principal at McLaren but we all know who is running he show.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 20:49

    Who knew you could make volume of prisms so hard.

    And done, what do you mean he set me more, grrr.

  • Jackie23/02/2009 at 20:55

    Dom Jolly Jackie and Ollie!!!!

    You called :P

  • Jackie23/02/2009 at 20:56

    I'm just so fed up with the Honda thing I could scream

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 20:59

    Quick question: Did anyone join the Singapore GP ‘Name the Turns’ contest? If yes, did you receive a confirmation email after you sent your entry? {Comment #41}

    I entered the competition but received no e-mail back.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 21:01

    2) The current engine freeze rules basically refuses to allow a new supplier into F1). {Comment #42}

    A new supplier could enter as long as their engine was rated as being no better than those already in the series. It could be done, but there'd be no point.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 21:01

    Of topic, but has anyone seen this?

    http://tinyurl.com/stupidcomplaints

    I can kinda see why people would say that her job was based on quotas for the stupid amount of political correctness these days but at the same time, how sad to say she's giving people nightmares. Parents on a cbeebies message board too! I just found the whole thing a bit sad...

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 21:02

    Windsor said of Danica Patrick: “She has road dust on her, therefore, we’ll consider her”. (Whatever that means)… {Comment #42}

    It means "Danica's done some racing, so we'll not rule her out yet in case we regret it later".

  • RG23/02/2009 at 21:03

    Of topic, but has anyone seen this?

    A lot of people moaning about nothing, again.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 21:03

    “Why will you be successful when many others like Paul Stoddart have failed”? PW responded by simply saying that he has a winning staff on board… {Comment #42}

    Oh no. Craig Pollock said the same about his entry into BAR and we all know how that ended :(

  • Jackie23/02/2009 at 21:04

    Of topic, but has anyone seen this?

    Some people fear what they don't understand

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 21:04

    Oh no. Craig Pollock said the same about his entry into BAR and we all know how that ended :(

    *twitches at the mention of Mr Pillock*

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 21:06

    Being open to the fans is nice and all, but the other teams won’t really emulate them unless they:

    1. Become super-popular because of it

    2. Start winning races {Comment #43}

    Jordan did both and teams still didn't follow suit. Only if 1 appears inextricably linked to 2 will other teams follow :(

    Good on USF1 for trying though :)

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:11

    Uncle Murray’s Jackie-nory

    Dom Jolly Jackie and Ollie!!!!

    I'd be up for that.

    "Now children, are you sitting comfortably? Then I shall begin...

    Once upon a time, in a far away land, corruption, bribery, spying and blackmail was rife."

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 21:13

    Uncle Murray’s Jackie-nory

    The wheels on the bus go round and round

    And Niki Lauda took all the drivers off to a hotel in it and that is how the 1982 drivers strike started.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 21:15

    Honda conspiracy theory I've-lost-count:

    Honda executives accept a bid from USF1 partially backed by Virgin (to the tune of a few million rather than the many millions for a title sponsorship) and underwritten by Honda for 2009 only (while other sponsors are sought). Brawn stays in current position with the USF1 staff slotted round him. Fry is sent to another department (possibly Honda road car marketing) in a sideways move.

    Honda gets to say that it regretfully could not find a buyer for the whole thing, but that in line with its sporting heritage, was willing to supply engines for the medium term in support of the organisation best positioned to protect the workforce. The team is known as USF1 Honda and gets to enter F1 a year early. An American driver is hastily pushed into the test seat, with a view to promotion in 2010 if Bruno Senna doesn't work out or has his contract bought out by a big team.

    Lots of problems solved in one go.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:16

    So is it now safe to assume Honda won’t make a 5pm announcement?

    Depends on what Timezone the announcers are in

    Indeed. This morning's news of a management restructure, and the news of few serious offers for the F1 operation, came pretty early UK time. About 6am or 7am, I think. Tokyo are 9 hours ahead. So 5pm their time is 9am UK time. I think, once again. It's too late to be dealing with timezones, gah! :)

    When Honda were rumoured to be withdrawing, I stayed up for the official announcement which came at a similar time I think. Maybe a little bit earlier.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:16

    The wheels on the bus go round and round

    And Niki Lauda took all the drivers off to a hotel in it and that is how the 1982 drivers strike started.

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:18

    #319 - Alianora La Canta said:

    Honda conspiracy theory I’ve-lost-count:

    Honda executives accept a bid from USF1 partially backed by Virgin (to the tune of a few million rather than the many millions for a title sponsorship) and underwritten by Honda for 2009 only (while other sponsors are sought). Brawn stays in current position with the USF1 staff slotted round him. Fry is sent to another department (possibly Honda road car marketing) in a sideways move.

    Honda gets to say that it regretfully could not find a buyer for the whole thing, but that in line with its sporting heritage, was willing to supply engines for the medium term in support of the organisation best positioned to protect the workforce. The team is known as USF1 Honda.

    Lots of problems solved in one go.

    I am glad someone else thinks there is a link between USF1 and Brackley...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:18

    When Honda were rumoured to be withdrawing, I stayed up for the official announcement which came at a similar time I think. Maybe a little bit earlier.

    Wow.

  • Andy Taylor23/02/2009 at 21:23

    The wheels on the bus go round and round

    And Niki Lauda took all the drivers off to a hotel in it and that is how the 1982 drivers strike started.

    I'm now thinking of Murray reading The Very Hungry Caterpillar

  • Maverick23/02/2009 at 21:24

    Hot BBC F1 gossip!

    CBBC will have some F1 content!

    I knew it! Bob the Builder has put in a bid for Honda.

    Can He Fix It? Well Nick Fry Couldn't...

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:24

    When Honda were rumoured to be withdrawing, I stayed up for the official announcement which came at a similar time I think. Maybe a little bit earlier.

    Wow.

    For a site owner, it was big news and well worth staying up for. From a site owner's perspective. Maybe not from a fan's.

    I think it may have been earlier though, but either way, Tokyo, where the announcement would likely be made from, is 9 hours ahead. So 5pm Tokyo is 9am UK.

  • Maverick23/02/2009 at 21:26

    Windsor said of Danica Patrick: “She has road dust on her, therefore, we’ll consider her”. (Whatever that means)…

    I think it means she needs a shower and he's offering to scrub her back.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:26

    @me: http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/real-time-doohickey-beta-1235424106206-png

    Summink ain't right. Had to manually adjust before I was able to comment.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:28

    I think it means she needs a shower and he’s offering to scrub her back.

    Nope. Still doesn't turn me on. There's something repulsive about Danica and I think it's because of her attitude!

  • Jackie23/02/2009 at 21:28
  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:28

    @me: http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/real-time-doohickey-beta-1235424106206-png

    Summink ain’t right. Had to manually adjust before I was able to comment.

    Ctrl-Refresh. Fixed it for me.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:28

    Windsor said of Danica Patrick: “She has road dust on her, therefore, we’ll consider her”. (Whatever that means)…

    I think it means she needs a shower and he’s offering to scrub her back.

    Well, the sooner we can get her to Bahrain, the better! (Sorry.)

  • me23/02/2009 at 21:29

    When Honda were rumoured to be withdrawing, I stayed up for the official announcement which came at a similar time I think. Maybe a little bit earlier.

    when honda were rumoured to be withdrawing, the two of us delayed our planned trip to paris by a day.

    who wants to raise me?

    :)

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:30

    Ctrl-Refresh. Fixed it for me.

    Oh, a simply F5 did it for me. Must have been because it was the first time commenting since me had maybe changed something??? Either way, the problem hasn't repeated itself.

    Ta Gavin.

  • me23/02/2009 at 21:30

    Oh, a simply F5 did it for me. Must have been because it was the first time commenting since me had maybe changed something??? Either way, the problem hasn’t repeated itself.

    hmm. suspicious. nothings changed since about 1am, can't track this one down.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 21:31

    who wants to raise me?

    nah, couldn't beat that. i didn't have any internet connection. but i came into school a whole hour early for find out what the hell had happened. I spent most of the day in a state of shock.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:31

    Ta Gavin.

    You're welcome :-)

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:31

    who wants to raise me?

    Did the comment about back scrubbing not...

    (I'll be good and proper from now on, I promise.)

  • me23/02/2009 at 21:32

    (I’ll be good and proper from now on, I promise.)

    :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:33

    who wants to raise me?

    I didn't hear about it all weekend because I went to Taupo for a holiday :-)

  • RG23/02/2009 at 21:34

    who wants to raise me?

    I was in bed.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 21:34

    who wants to raise me?

    I said a naughty swear word several times when I got phoned by a friend to tell me, then got home from town and sat at my laptop in awe. that was about it for me.. then felt really sad as it kicked it :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:42

    I said a naughty swear word several times when I got phoned by a friend to tell me, then got home from town and sat at my laptop in awe. that was about it for me.. then felt really sad as it kicked it

    Was it a word that rhymed with "Firetruck"?

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 21:44

    Just had an email from team FIF1 confirming March 1 launch.

    I wonder what they’ll do for the launch… {Comment #156}

    From what I've gathered, bung it round Jerez a few dozen times. Then repeat for another seven days of the following two weeks. I don't think they're doing a formal launch this year.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:46

    From what I’ve gathered, bung it round Jerez a few dozen times. Then repeat for another seven days of the following two weeks. I don’t think they’re doing a formal launch this year.

    From what I've been able to gleam, this is the plan. A few photos, a few shoddy poses. Then on with the business of installation and data gathering.

    F1 launches this year have been relatively passion-less. But hey-ho, 'tis a sign of the times.

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 21:49

    F1 launches this year have been relatively passion-less. But hey-ho, ‘tis a sign of the times.

    You know things are low key when toyota come out with the most extragavant launch :D

    Jarno sadly didn't go away with an Oscar last night though, hollywood couldn't more biased.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:50

    Jarno sadly didn’t go away with an Oscar last night though, hollywood couldn’t more biased.

    Don't get me started on the Oscars!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:52

    From what I’ve been able to gleam, this is the plan. A few photos, a few shoddy poses. Then on with the business of installation and data gathering.

    We had enough 'shoddy photos' when FIF1 released that awful calendar...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)23/02/2009 at 21:52

    Good night all... Sweet 'Earth Dreams' everybody! ;-)

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 21:53

    Don’t get me started on the Oscars!

    I'm just saying, Ledger was great as the Joker in Batman but in comparison to Jarno in the Toyota launch, well!

    That moment of fear on his face with the lift opening and closing and the classic line "Yeah." deserved more recognition ;)

  • me23/02/2009 at 21:53

    night gavin.

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 21:53

    I was in bed.

    I was on sidepodcast: http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/12/04/daily-4th-december-2008/#comment-155918

  • RG23/02/2009 at 21:53

    Cheerio Gavin

  • me23/02/2009 at 21:53
  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 21:54

    Night gavin!

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 21:54

    Jarno sadly didn’t go away with an Oscar last night though, hollywood couldn’t more biased.

    Rigged!

  • RG23/02/2009 at 21:54

    I was on sidepodcast: http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/12/04/daily-4th-december-2008/#comment-155918

    Wow, I comment when I'm asleep

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 21:54

    See ya Gavin.

  • me23/02/2009 at 21:54

    Wow, I comment when I’m asleep

    :D

    :D

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 21:55

    Wow, I comment when I’m asleep

    That's 'me's' special skill!

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 21:55

    G'night Gavin.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 21:55

    I believe they are free to join at any race providing they have an approved 2009 FIA entry slot (which the team last know as Honda do). Realistically they’ll be legal unable to compete until all safety tests and administration is cleared up. I think Spyker started halfway through 2006??? {Comment #173}

    The one thing that stops it is the Concorde Agreement. A team may only miss one race in a season unless it does so through force majeure. It is the FIA who has responsibility for deciding whether an excuse a team provides constitutes force majeure. The last team to use it was Arrows, which was granted leave to miss five races (two retrospectively) while it successfully negotiated for a buyer.

    On that precedent, ex-Honda would likely be treated leniently. Except that a lot has changed in the seven years since the rule was last invoked. I would not like to guarantee the FIA's response to ex-Honda missing races in any way, shape or form.

    Having a car that doesn't meet the safety requirements would automatically prevent that car from being used in a race weekend. If that meant the team could not compete, then it would probably get a response of "tough luck". That said, Red Bull managed to get a component approved on the evening before scrutineering - as long as the appropriate paperwork is generated and reaches the stewards in time, there's no need for the components freighted to Australia to be pre-certified.

    Spyker entered in round 11 of 2006, but that was OK because it simply took the race entry of a predecesor team and got special permission to do a mid-season name change. The situation did not invoke the Concorde Agreement in any way.

    Whether the FIA feel like remembering Concorde still applies or not in this instance is unknown - I see little benefit to them either way.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 21:56

    That’s ‘me’s’ special skill!

    I deny all association with Mr C.

    Unless I'm sleeping again.

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 21:59

    Speaking of car launches, a reminder of how Jordan did it:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1UBtHAvnuE&feature=related

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 22:00

    I like how Jarno nearly falls over when Eddie does a spot of Irish dancing.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 22:01

    Spyker entered in round 11 of 2006, but that was OK because it simply took the race entry of a predecesor team and got special permission to do a mid-season name change.

    If I remember correctly, the change in livery caused more of a bruhaha than the change in team name.

    As an aside, can someone put Alia's name forward as a challenger for the 2009 FIA presidency election.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 22:01

    As an aside, can someone put Alia’s name forward as a challenger for the 2009 FIA presidency election.

    Against Steven Roy? Man thats gonna be more exciting than the 08 US Presedential election

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 22:02

    I like how Jarno nearly falls over when Eddie does a spot of Irish dancing.

    what can't he do? Jarno should just launch all the teams!

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 22:02

    Sounds like I'm gonna have no internet on the day everything happens. :(

  • RG23/02/2009 at 22:03

    Sounds like I’m gonna have no internet on the day everything happens. :(

    I'm betting that nowt happens tomorrow.

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:04

    Sounds like I’m gonna have no internet on the day everything happens. :(

    should we text you?

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:04

    should we text you?

    and when i say we....

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 22:05

    Against Steven Roy? Man thats gonna be more exciting than the 08 US Presedential election

    Oh, now that's a battle! That deserves a post and vote. I think I may have to post that nearer the time later this year. If I can't get him a blog, I might be able to get Steven to run against Alia and Max for the FIA presidency role. :) (I'm still joking, Steven.)

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:07

    Oh, now that’s a battle! That deserves a post and vote. I think I may have to post that nearer the time later this year. If I can’t get him a blog, I might be able to get Steven to run against Alia and Max for the FIA presidency role. :) (I’m still joking, Steven.)

    you have to do that!

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 22:07

    you have to do that!

    It's already partly written and in the draft section of my site. :) (Jokingly, of course, Steven.)

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 22:09

    Oh, now that’s a battle! That deserves a post and vote. I think I may have to post that nearer the time later this year. If I can’t get him a blog, I might be able to get Steven to run against Alia and Max for the FIA presidency role. :) (I’m still joking, Steven.)

    Sidepodcast could host live debates...

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:11

    Sidepodcast could host live debates…

    :D

  • Lukeh23/02/2009 at 22:21

    Time for bed, here's hoping for a big day of news ahead of us tomorrow. Night folks.

  • RG23/02/2009 at 22:21

    Night Luke and I'm off as well, bye

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 22:22

    Time for bed, here’s hoping for a big day of news ahead of us tomorrow. Night folks.

    Seeya tomorrow for the discussion. G'night. :)

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 22:23

    should we text you?

    Thanks, but I'll manage. Am quite busy tomorrow anyway.

    Early night sounds good today. Night all. :)

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:24

    night to everyone.

    is my clock wrong or something?

  • Andy Taylor23/02/2009 at 22:25

    is my clock wrong or something?

    :)

  • Christine23/02/2009 at 22:26

    is my clock wrong or something?

    Even I'm still awake.

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 22:26

    is my clock wrong or something?

    Because most are heading to zed-land early? It is a bit odd, but then it is a big day tomorrow. A big day of anti-climaxes, I believe. But still, a big day.

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 22:26

    is my clock wrong or something?

    wheres everyone gone!?! wow, the world is wrong... lol

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:27

    Because most are heading to zed-land early? It is a bit odd, but then it is a big day tomorrow. A big day of anti-climaxes, I believe. But still, a big day.

    that's true. with the bbc + usf1, it's also a good day to bury bad news...

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 22:31

    that’s true. with the bbc + usf1, it’s also a good day to bury bad news…

    I think so too.

  • Dom23/02/2009 at 22:34

    I’m betting that nowt happens tomorrow.

    "An inside source tells us that some tumbleweed has been spotted outside the Honda factory in Brackley. Whether the tumbleweed is connected to a bid for the team is yet to be confirmed."

    (GMM)

  • lou23/02/2009 at 22:35

    night to everyone.

    help the universe is going to explode! Mr C is going to bed at 10:30! ;) night 'me'

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:37

    help the universe is going to explode! Mr C is going to bed at 10:30! ;) night ‘me’

    nooooo. i'm still up. i can't fathom where everyone else went to though?

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:37

    btw lou, is doohickey quoting better now?

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:38

    I’m betting that nowt happens tomorrow.

    “An inside source tells us that some tumbleweed has been spotted outside the Honda factory in Brackley. Whether the tumbleweed is connected to a bid for the team is yet to be confirmed.”

    (GMM)

    :D

  • lou23/02/2009 at 22:38

    nooooo. i’m still up. i can’t fathom where everyone else went to though?

    oh i see. :D

  • Andy Taylor23/02/2009 at 22:39

    nooooo. i’m still up. i can’t fathom where everyone else went to though?

    I"m still here, trying to get the motivation to do some website work.

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:39

    I”m still here, trying to get the motivation to do some website work.

    what ya workin' on?

  • lou23/02/2009 at 22:39

    btw lou, is doohickey quoting better now?

    yep seems to be, although it often ha good and bad days ;) nothing so far though :D

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 22:40

    I”m still here, trying to get the motivation to do some website work.

    im sticking bits of paper to other bits of paper! this is fun times guys and gals.

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:40

    im sticking bits of paper to other bits of paper! this is fun times guys and gals.

    you may have to fropio that one!

  • Joe23/02/2009 at 22:40

    All this news expected tomorrow and I'm back at school. Damnit.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 22:41

    im sticking bits of paper to other bits of paper! this is fun times guys and gals.

    i didn't realise you did textiles too? :P

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 22:42

    you may have to fropio that one!

    fropio?? :s

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 22:42

    i didn’t realise you did textiles too? :P

    funnily enough its resistant materials....although im yet to see how...lol

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 22:42

    Surely if someone is monitoring Honda GP on the Companies House site they should also be monitoring Honda GP Holdings. {Comment #195}

    Checking the forms that have been submitted is free at Companies House using the WebCHeck service. You type in the company you want to look at in the Company Name box (leave everything else alone unless you need them for some specific purpose) and click on the name of the company number when the search results appear and click on "Order results for this company". Don't panic - you don't need to buy anything (unless you have a burning desire to see exactly what is in a given report, in which case it's £1 per download). Every form filed with Companies House since the company was registered will be there, in reverse chronological order.

    You will need the document explaining what the form numbers mean to get it to make complete sense. Be warned that the service can be slow and the whole site closes down between midnight and 7am GMT.

    The last thing that happened to Honda GP Holdings that involved a submission to Companies House is the termination of Yashudo Wada as a director. That happened on the 18th of November.

    Nothing is coming out about Honda GP Holdings because there is nothing to report (as far as is publicly accessible at the moment).

    Strangely enough, nothing shows up on the Honda GP page since Yasuhiro Wada's resignation as a director in September 2008. 403 forms are recorded when filed (an example can be seen at Force India Formula One Team Limited for April 2008 (the conclusion of the concrete episode to you and me), but none appear for Honda GP. Either the source is really good and has seen/been told about the forms before they were filed or this rumour is false.

    Incidentally, I can tell you that Honda Racing Development's accounts are overdue.

    If you want to know what a change of ownership will look like, type "FORCE INDIA FORMULA ONE LIMITED" into the search box and go through the procedure in the first paragraph. The giveaway is that you will get at least one, and sometimes several, director resignation forms (288b) filed on the same day. Once that happens, there's a good chance that the form we want to see, the change of company name "CERTNM", will appear in the few weeks following. There are quite a few reasons for directors resigning, but under the circumstances a buyout of some description would be the most likely.

    If you see a 652a (voluntary strike-off), or LRESEX (extraordinary meeting to wind up), that's bad news and means the end of ex-Honda.

    At the moment it's all to play for.

  • Andy Taylor23/02/2009 at 22:42

    what ya workin’ on?

    I'm thinking about updating my MobileMe page because it's a bit rubbish.

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:43

    fropio?? :s

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast

    the f key is apparently close to the d :)

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 22:44

    My comment on the Honda 403a rumour landed in the spam bin through excess linkery. I'm putting it in my blog because the links are important and I'm not wasting time editing the links when you could be using the information.

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:44

    I’m thinking about updating my MobileMe page because it’s a bit rubbish.

    are there any new styles in iweb?

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 22:44

    off topic: Marcus Grönholm will drive the Portugal rally. Retiring seems really difficult :)

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:45

    My comment on the Honda 403a rumour landed in the spam bin through excess linkery. I’m putting it in my blog because the links are important and I’m not wasting time editing the links when you could be using the information.

    cheers alia.

  • lou23/02/2009 at 22:45

    funnily enough its resistant materials….although im yet to see how…lol

    lol. i have currently just finished my textiles for this evening, and i can hardly close my sketch book (which is a good sign) :) just a little more psychology revision for my mock tomorrow and i'm calling it a night... hopefully a reasonably early one

  • me23/02/2009 at 22:45

    off topic: Marcus Grönholm will drive the Portugal rally. Retiring seems really difficult :)

    :)

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 22:46

    the f key is apparently close to the d :)

    ahhh, thought as much hehe

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 22:46

    So Honda belongs to Brawn now?

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 22:46

    you may have to fropio that one!

    ive also found my rocket motors from my old rockets, and the ignition too.. :D so i may be making a rocket tommorrow :D

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 22:50

    and poor Button will earn only half as much?

  • lou23/02/2009 at 22:53

    and poor Button will earn only half as much?

    I'm sure having a seat for the '09 season is a little more important to him atm ;)

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 22:59

    The entry on the Honda 403a rumour is now posted.

    Edit: One day I will remember to switch out of BBCode mode when leaving my blog...

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:02

    That's strange. My comment has just appeared as Comment #404 on my screen - two refreshes and 20 minutes after I first posted it. Never mind...

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 23:03

    The Finnish article about The takeover mentions something about Snetterton which I don't understand. Any ideas?

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:04

    Oh, now that’s a battle! That deserves a post and vote. I think I may have to post that nearer the time later this year. If I can’t get him a blog, I might be able to get Steven to run against Alia and Max for the FIA presidency role. (I’m still joking, Steven.)

    I don't believe you Ollie

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:05

    That’s strange. My comment has just appeared as Comment #404 on my screen - two refreshes and 20 minutes after I first posted it. Never mind…

    i pulled it from the mod queue.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:06

    Sidepodcast could host live debates…

    That sounds like another new show. Debate a different subject ever 20 minutes. Have two people on to debate points systems or technical regulations or which circuits should get race or whether USF1 or Honda will last longer.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:07

    Is it just me, or is this particular pre-season busier than usual? {Comment #222}

    Only because of Honda. Otherwise there's been practically nothing to do most weeks.

    Despite this my February Mini Blog Post Month (MiBloPoMo) is going well...

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:08

    That sounds like another new show. Debate a different subject ever 20 minutes. Have two people on to debate points systems or technical regulations or which circuits should get race or whether USF1 or Honda will last longer.

    oooooooh! yessss :)

  • Christine23/02/2009 at 23:08

    That sounds like another new show. Debate a different subject ever 20 minutes. Have two people on to debate points systems or technical regulations or which circuits should get race or whether USF1 or Honda will last longer.

    WHAT?

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:09

    WHAT?

    c'mon, that's a great idea (except maybe the 20min thing).

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:09

    nothing much exciting :) {Comment #226}

    I bet it was for you and Christine ;)

    By the way, thank you for pulling my comment out of the mod queue. There wasn't a message about it on screen, so I assumed that the two-line-long links had caused it to go straight to spam and into oblivion. Luckily I'd saved a copy first...

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:10

    The Finnish article about The takeover mentions something about Snetterton which I don’t understand. Any ideas?

    Snetterton is a racing circuit in Norfolk in the east of England

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:10

    The Finnish article about The takeover mentions something about Snetterton which I don’t understand. Any ideas?

    i have nothing about snetterton kathi. do ya have any more context?

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:10

    c’mon, that’s a great idea (except maybe the 20min thing).

    Yeah. I will probably need longer :D

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 23:11

    i have nothing about snetterton kathi. do ya have any more context?

    Is that where they might be shaking the car down? *Ollie checks Google Earth to assess how far away Snetterton is...

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:11

    Is that where they might be shaking the car down? *Ollie checks Google Earth to assess how far away Snetterton is…

    they'd have to drive past silverstone?

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 23:11

    c’mon, that’s a great idea (except maybe the 20min thing).

    And most importantly, it was Steven's fault. Ultimately. :D

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 23:12

    i have nothing about snetterton kathi. do ya have any more context?

    I think they might test there, "where f1 cars haven't been seen within living memory"

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:12

    Is that where they might be shaking the car down? *Ollie checks Google Earth to assess how far away Snetterton is…

    It would he a two or three hour drive for Honda to Snetterton. Lotus used to test there a lot.

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:12

    I think they might test there, “where f1 cars haven’t been seen within living memory”

    does it say when?

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:12

    And most importantly, it was Steven’s fault. Ultimately.

    I think we may need to debate that.

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 23:13

    does it say when?

    before the test in Silverstone which will be on the 5th

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 23:13

    It would he a two or three hour drive for Honda to Snetterton. Lotus used to test there a lot.

    I'm not really checking Google Earth - I really couldn't be bothered. Snetterton's in Norfolk country, isn't it?

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:13

    Christine won’t like the idea of having to create at least 24 posts a day. {Comment #233}

    By this time next year, "me" will probably have cracked the mystery of artificial intelligence and got a robot to write the more menial posts, leaving Christine to add creative words to the "hourly" reports when something new appears in the blogosphere (or she's miffed that "me" hasn't given her the Valentine's Day she wanted).

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:13

    before the test in Silverstone which will be on the 5th

    cheers. wonder what snetterton access is like?

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:14

    I’m not really checking Google Earth - I really couldn’t be bothered. Snetterton’s in Norfolk country, isn’t it?

    Yes

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 23:15

    cheers. wonder what snetterton access is like?

    If it's where I think it is, and Steven has just said it is, the ex says it isn't great.

    That sounded odd, but made sense in my mind. :)

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 23:15

    cheers. wonder what snetterton access is like?

    :) as long as you don't blame me

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:16

    cheers. wonder what snetterton access is like?

    It's a long time since I was there but is should be easy to get in because there is a little industrial estate in the centre of the circuit with race car builders and the like and they need people to be able to get in and out. Fans can drive round most if not all of the track. But like I say it was a while ago since I was there. I guess Scott will know more as it is his local track.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:18

    http://www.motorsportvision.co.uk/snetterton/find-us.asp

    How to find Snett

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:18

    Yet another change to engine rules. {Comment #235}

    You mean the FIA have finally figured out they'd let through qualifying engines by the back door? Good on them for fixing the error, even if they should have come up with a simpler system to avoid confusing themselves in the first place.

  • me23/02/2009 at 23:19

    How to find Snett

    thank you :)

  • Ollie23/02/2009 at 23:20

    You mean the FIA have finally figured out they’d let through qualifying engines by the back door? Good on them for fixing the error, even if they should have come up with a simpler system to avoid confusing themselves in the first place.

    This is just typical FIA. Forever making up for their stupid errors. It's been going on for donkeys years.

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:20

    You mean the FIA have finally figured out they’d let through qualifying engines by the back door? Good on them for fixing the error, even if they should have come up with a simpler system to avoid confusing themselves in the first place.

    Well actually the FIA didn't figure it out the teams told them.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:21

    They all do it anyway. {Comment #246}

    I never did! (Having been asked for my ID to buy a pair of scissors with an age indication of 3+ a few weeks back, and having never found an alcoholic beverage I like, this is just as well...)

  • Jon Waldock23/02/2009 at 23:28

    I never did! (Having been asked for my ID to buy a pair of scissors with an age indication of 3+ a few weeks back, and having never found an alcoholic beverage I like, this is just as well…;)

    i once bought a tin of spraypaint for a project i was doing, went back some time later, same shop, exact same paint, same colour etc, wasnt allowed to buy it because im under 21. pfft

  • lou23/02/2009 at 23:36

    I’m not really checking Google Earth - I really couldn’t be bothered. Snetterton’s in Norfolk country, isn’t it?

    oh that's further away from me than silverstone. I live too far south. Doesn't this all assume that the team survive though?

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:40

    But I thought they aren’t allowed to change engines between quali and race since it’s in parc ferme? {Comment #249

    A team willing to take a 10-place grid drop could make that change. Also, a driver starting from the pit lane is exempt from parc fermé (though such a driver would not gain a qualifying benefit from a qualifying engine no matter how good it was).

    An engine no longer has to last a whole weekend, though parc fermé changes are still not generally permitted. That said, parc fermé starts three hours after qualifying ends...

    I hope I'm still making some sort of sense.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:41

    There were other people in the press conference?! {Comment #251}

    At least two others, unless it's the Thursday conference (when there are four others) or Friday (when there are four people, but they rarely include Lewis so we don't see much of that).

  • Kathi23/02/2009 at 23:43

    Doesn’t this all assume that the team survive though?

    Well Heikki Kulta says it does and I tend to believe him, he was only wrong once since I started reading

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:51

    The chairman of A1GP says now F1 has just one tyre supplier and Force India, Bernie should buy A1 instead of copying it. (??) {Comment #266}

    Um... ...didn't all those ideas come from other series before Mr Teixiera took them for A1GP? Also, I'd have thought he'd learned from the amusing rebuttal he received last time he tried picking an argument with Mr Mallya.

  • Alianora La Canta23/02/2009 at 23:56

    Depends on what Timezone the announcers are in {Comment #285}

    If it's Japan, we could be waiting until the early hours of tomorrow morning, like on December 5th...

  • Steven Roy23/02/2009 at 23:59

    The chairman of A1GP says now F1 has just one tyre supplier and Force India, Bernie should buy A1 instead of copying it. (??) {Comment #266}

    Someone else had a go at him today. He made some comment about USF1 being a national team just like they have in A1GP. The writer replied that F1 cars ran in national colours until the late 60s.

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:03

    Of topic, but has anyone seen this? {Comment #310}

    That's a horrible thing to happen! Simply because someone has one arm shouldn't disqualify them from presenting a children's show. A sensible attitude from parents will prevent fear in children - the complaints say more about the parents than about Cerrie.

  • Ollie24/02/2009 at 00:03

    Um… …didn’t all those ideas come from other series before Mr Teixiera took them for A1GP? Also, I’d have thought he’d learned from the amusing rebuttal he received last time he tried picking an argument with Mr Mallya.

    The day Mallya earned my respect. His response was well executed, politely put and contained fact after fact. It was simply brilliant.

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:11

    who wants to raise me? {Comment #333}

    I got woken up by a loud "Alia!" by Mum. Radio 4 was blaring the explanation downstairs. I can't say my reaction was anything like lou's though. I just spent a heap of time writing out that day's blog entry because I knew I'd be unable to concentrate on much else until I'd done it.

    Edit: Something went slightly wrong when I did that link...

  • lou24/02/2009 at 00:13

    Okay, I'm off to do a bit more of revision for my psychology mock tomorrow morning before I go to sleep. Night all x

  • Andy Taylor24/02/2009 at 00:14

    are there any new styles in iweb?

    There are, plus new widgets, which make it easy to add HTML code and things like a countdown timer. Perhaps USF1 used it to make their site :)

  • Andy Taylor24/02/2009 at 00:14

    are there any new styles in iweb?

    I believe so, plus new widgets.

  • Ollie24/02/2009 at 00:15

    Okay, I’m off to do a bit more of revision for my psychology mock tomorrow morning before I go to sleep. Night all x

    Night Lou. Good luck with the psychology mock tomorrow.

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:15

    There are, plus new widgets, which make it easy to add HTML code and things like a countdown timer. Perhaps USF1 used it to make their site :)

    :D

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:15

    night lou.

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:18

    {Comment #333 is actually here...

  • Andy Taylor24/02/2009 at 00:18

    I believe so, plus new widgets.

    Sorry that double posting was my fault.

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:20

    Sorry that double posting was my fault.

    no probs. didn't give it a second thought. my confidence in the code must've increased :)

  • Andy Taylor24/02/2009 at 00:21

    no probs. didn’t give it a second thought. my confidence in the code must’ve increased :)

    That and the different text in each post...

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:22

    That and the different text in each post…

    oh... :D

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:22

    We had enough ’shoddy photos’ when FIF1 released that awful calendar… {Comment #348}

    Do I take it that you're not particularly disappointed that they only showed three pictures out of it?

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:34

    As an aside, can someone put Alia’s name forward as a challenger for the 2009 FIA presidency election. {Comment #366}

    If there are any General Senate representatives reading this, please note that I would need the post to be made primarily a homeworking post. Otherwise it would be impossible for me to do the job even if I permitted myself to be nominated.

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:37

    nooooo. i’m still up. i can’t fathom where everyone else went to though? Comment #391}

    I'm still here!

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:37

    I’m still here!

    *waves*

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:40

    I don’t believe you Ollie Comment #421}

    He's got to be kidding. What are the chances of either of us convincing a General Senate member to nominate us, let alone both?

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:40

    Windsor wants to do a top secret Skunk works operation with webcams all over the place. I'm confused.

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:43

    I think they might test there, “where f1 cars haven’t been seen within living memory” {Comment #435}

    Unless Snetterton's acquired a 1T licence without getting a press release done on the subject, then it'll be straight-line testing if that.

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:44

    Windsor wants to do a top secret Skunk works operation with webcams all over the place. I’m confused.

    me too!

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:45

    Unless Snetterton’s acquired a 1T licence without getting a press release done on the subject, then it’ll be straight-line testing if that.

    What's this about Snetterton? :D

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:47

    me too!

    If I was going to set up an F1 skunk works it would be somewhere with a pool of very talented F1 technical people and not North Carolina.

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:47

    What’s this about Snetterton? :D

    Honda may be running at Snetterton.

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:47

    If I was going to set up an F1 skunk works it would be somewhere with a pool of very talented F1 technical people and not North Carolina.

    :D

    also a very valid point.

  • Ollie24/02/2009 at 00:48

    He’s got to be kidding. What are the chances of either of us convincing a General Senate member to nominate us, let alone both?

    'cos you both know more about F1 than all of the senate and the president combined. And you both have common sense. Ah, actually, because of that, you've got no chance! Common sense is apparently frowned upon in F1 circles.

    We'll have our own election instead, me thinks.

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:48

    Honda may be running at Snetterton.

    When?! :D

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:48

    When?! :D

    4:30 am this morning

  • Ollie24/02/2009 at 00:49

    When?! :D

    Did you miss your honorable mention earlier? :)

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:49

    Steven Roy: 24/02/2009 at 00:48:36

    When?!

    4:30 am this morning

    Why so early?

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:49

    Why so early?

    classified goings on.

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:50

    Kathi posted this a couple of hours ago

    The Finnish article about The takeover mentions something about Snetterton which I don’t understand. Any ideas?

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:50

    It’s a long time since I was there but is should be easy to get in because there is a little industrial estate in the centre of the circuit with race car builders and the like and they need people to be able to get in and out. Fans can drive round most if not all of the track. But like I say it was a while ago since I was there. I guess Scott will know more as it is his local track.

    From what I've known going around the paddock there, access is very good. I've been able to stand on the pit wall during a track day event and on race weekends anyone can walk about in there.

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:51

    Why so early?

    To get you out of bed and at the track early

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:52

    The Finnish article about The takeover mentions something about Snetterton which I don’t understand. Any ideas?

    Hmm. I'm not really sure. Honda must be doing something extremely covert and secretive if they're running a car round Snetterton and half 4 in the morning. Apart from that, I can't think why.

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:55

    Can I get a link to that article?

  • Ollie24/02/2009 at 00:55

    extremely covert and secretive

    Covert and secretive? With that livery!? That's like a Marine going into battle dressed and made-up like a clown! :D

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:56

    Covert and secretive? With that livery!? That’s like a Marine going into battle dressed and made-up like a clown! :D

    :D

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:56

    Covert and secretive? With that livery!? That’s like a Marine going into battle dressed and made-up like a clown!

    What about their black interim livery? ;)

  • Ollie24/02/2009 at 00:57

    What about their black interim livery? ;)

    Alright smarty. ;) :D

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:57

    What about their black interim livery? ;)

    how would they know when the car returned to the pits?

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:57

    me: 24/02/2009 at 00:57:17

    What about their black interim livery?

    how would they know when the car returned to the pits?

    Alright, plain white then. :P

  • Alianora La Canta24/02/2009 at 00:57

    Windsor wants to do a top secret Skunk works operation with webcams all over the place {Comment #480}

    That sounds like a contradiction in terms.

  • Andy Taylor24/02/2009 at 00:58

    how would they know when the car returned to the pits?

    Mechanics on the floor in agony/

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:58

    Covert and secretive? With that livery!? That’s like a Marine going into battle dressed and made-up like a clown! :D

    That has to go in the wiki for comment of the year.

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:58

    If you can get me the link to that article, I can translate it and see what it says.

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:58

    Mechanics on the floor in agony/

    So Nakajima would be driving by mistake?

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 00:59

    If you can get me the link to that article, I can translate it and see what it says.

    Only Kathi has seen the article.

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:59

    If you can get me the link to that article, I can translate it and see what it says.

    i don't think we had one. but the conversation is earlier in this very thread.

  • me24/02/2009 at 00:59

    So Nakajima would be driving by mistake?

    isn't it always?

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 00:59

    isn’t it always?

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 01:02

    People - BIG news! Codemasters has released it's first development shot of F1 2009. It's a laser-scan image of Spa. OK, so it's not a major picture, but I'm pleased to hear they're going down the laser scan route when modelling the circuits. Doing this allows them to accurately recreate every bump, elevation change and detail in amazing quality. There's a couple of laser-scanned circuits for rFactor and the kerbs are as realistic as you like.

    http://www.virtualr.net/f1-2009-first-development-shot/

  • me24/02/2009 at 01:06

    There’s a couple of laser-scanned circuits for rFactor and the kerbs are as realistic as you like.

    any idea when it'll be released?

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 01:06

    any idea when it’ll be released?

    Pass.

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 01:09

    any idea when it’ll be released?

    Laser scanning can take a frighteningly long time, but to be fair the rFactor circuits were done by just one guy. With a whole team of people I'm pretty sure they could get a few circuits done much quicker. Plus, not all the cars have been released, we don't have any data in terms of lap times and so far it's just one image. So at the moment I'd say it's early days but knowing Codemasters, they can move bloody quick when it comes to game development.

  • Scott Woodwiss24/02/2009 at 01:13

    For more about the advantages of laser scanning, have a look at this post on the iRacing site. :)

    http://iracing.com/technology/track.php?lc=1

  • Ollie24/02/2009 at 01:16

    Off to listen to some tunes before bed. Night everybody. :)

  • me24/02/2009 at 01:16

    night ollie.

  • Steven Roy24/02/2009 at 01:20

    Off to listen to some tunes before bed. Night everybody. :)

    Night Ollie

  • Andy Taylor24/02/2009 at 01:28

    Night all.

  • me24/02/2009 at 01:28

    night andy.

  • Jeremy24/02/2009 at 03:22

    when honda were rumoured to be withdrawing, the two of us delayed our planned trip to paris by a day.

    I took my Honda to a Subaru dealership for a trade in quote (on a WRX) based on the rumour that Dave Richards (of ProDrive fame) might buy the team*

    *story may not be true. I just miss my 1997 WRX :-(

  • Lukeh24/02/2009 at 07:40

    People - BIG news! Codemasters has released it’s first development shot of F1 2009. It’s a laser-scan image of Spa. OK, so it’s not a major picture, but I’m pleased to hear they’re going down the laser scan route when modelling the circuits. Doing this allows them to accurately recreate every bump, elevation change and detail in amazing quality. There’s a couple of laser-scanned circuits for rFactor and the kerbs are as realistic as you like.

    Great news, cheers Scott

  • Kathi24/02/2009 at 10:18

    Can I get a link to that article?

    It's gone.