Halfway through the week, some would call it hump day, I think, as it is all downhill from here. Plus we are now only one day away from getting to see those cars in action again, which will brighten up all our weeks. Elsewhere, here's what we've been discussing:
- Williams have said that their Free Practice pace is not any attempt to show off or try and appear faster than they are, it just must be that they have a different programme to everyone else. I think we may have figured this out for ourselves already, given that their drivers haven't exactly been regular features on the podiums.
- Ferrari had their day in court, although really it was just an hour-long hearing. Just time for them to make their case before the end of the day. Apparently we're expecting a decision tomorrow, but if it goes against the FIA, they have confirmed they'll appeal, so this could keep rumbling on.
- Elsewhere, Drop.io was one of the Webware 100 winners announced yesterday. They know we heart them, and now they know lots of other people do too. Yay for drop.io.
That'll do it for now. There's plenty of other things to talk about besides the things I've listed about (particularly Ferrari who must be raking in the column inches by now), so I will see you in the comments.
Evening everyone, have i missed much?
Not really. We learned how to make cartoons. We had some song lyrics. There has been an earthquake in LA. Lou slashed her foot.
If you read back through the comments I am sure you will be very confused.
midnight is evil. that is all.
Surely its just a pre dinner landmark?
Reading through the comments... and yes, getting confused!
it just comes around so quickly.
Yeah.. you have to fight the break of dawn...
Apparently, LA got hit by another small earthquake - the 2nd in 3 days.
That's usually not good news - a series of minor earthquakes usually lead to a bigger one...
I got a comment posted on Joe's log with the phrase a little bit Piquet in it.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/the-return-of-autounion/
hehe. that's fab :)
I wonder if Joe knows what it means... ;)
Haha, thats great Steven
Mr C maybe you could bring it up in the next aside?
can do, shall do :)
nothing says its 9am like a new daily post! Morning all
Morning, Amy!
But... erm... isn't it 10 AM? :D
Morning Amy. Have you been sleeping again?
Morning Amy, ive just been to see a band from your neck of the woods
its 10am now yes, but it was 9am when it arrived. Has been a while since i was asleep ive already been at work 3 hours. What band did you see Nick?
British India.. Know them?
Listened to http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00kdry6/Whats_the_Point_of_..._Series_2_Formula_One/
How tentative was Ed Gorman? Clearly he was trying so hard not to say anything that would upset Max or Bernie
No commenting before work. Are you OK?
Haven't actually listened to it yet - been remastering some vinyl and shellac records onto my server.
It is not the most interesting thing I have ever heard. I could have made a far better program myself.
no commenting before work because i was running very late. Never heard of that band and i really dislike ed gorman. Its so hard to comment without simple click to quote.
leo just burst his ball live on air :D
LOL. Been waiting for that to happen
Last week he said it was unburstable. What show was it on?
I always thought Sarah Lane would burst it because she really bounces on it
live following [email protected]
Ah, I won't hear it on a podcast then
he had a slow leak. so figured he should sit on it?!
*boom*
no leo.
he has a spare ball though.
i need a spare ball.
I was going to watch net @ night but I thought I would wait for the podcast like normal.
Okaayyyyy.........
Now that we know the balls are burstable we need a cam on Mr C just in case
if mine burst, what would i do? podcast from the floor?
What is it with podcasters and bouncy balls? Do you get them with your microphones?
hehe.
in short, it's because they don't squeek or creek. although i have a ball cause leo does.
I guess he's the guru (or is that Adam Curry?). Good point about the squeaking tho
http://bit.ly/leobreaksball
Riiiiiiiight..... 8O
adam is behind podshow, where we get our music from. but's he's motivated mostly by money. he's not really a creative person.
He does call himself the "podfather", and thinks he invented the whole thing....
yeah. he's wrong about that too.
Just finished catching up on comments - and someone posted about the earthquake before me.
Oops. :D
I'm now imagining Marlon Brando as the Godfather sitting on a large inflatable ball...
No where near as menacing.
Listening to "whats the point of...formula 1", i think im worryingly close to coming to the conclusion that Kimi has the 'biggest' personality in f1 at the moment.
this just needs to be embedded:
LOL! :D
Puncture repair kit on standby...
I wonder if they will send him a free replacement
haha, i like the way he threw it back up in indignation
it's almost worth waking christine :)
What's the link to it?
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/leo-breaks-ball-flv
thanks
Never wake anyone unless there is a fire. I spent half an hour apologising to someone for my response to her 'guile' at daring to call me at 11am!
You better have a panda organised just in case she doesn't find it that entertaining.
noted. it'll be just a funny in the morning!
Was pretty hilarious. Nice how he starts bouncing once he knows there is a leak!
haha, and if she doesnt find it funny, you can always respond with how much funnier it would have been if you had woken her up to see it...
:-)
Paul (oz)
Did you manage to get skype working on your iphone and leave a voicemail yesterday?
Almost - up to the point of leaving the message. I couldn't think of anything useful to say. I might give a long range projection for Monaco when I get home tonight. It did connect OK though.
So long as you got through. If you can't think of anything else the Parade Lap usually has a lot of top 3 predictions. Or you can leave a voicemail to be included in one of the oractise digest shows.
I'll get my thinking cap on. I might just leave a "can you hear me", to see what the quality is like. Don't have wifi here at work, so will have to wait until later.
Just watched it now. Hahaha! Hilarious. :D
Leo ROCKS! :)
BTW, as I was typing my comment, the doohickey suddenly went into sleep mode.
That shouldn't happen if I was typing, right? :-/
The Doohickey knows best. It's a bit like an Apple Mac.
:D
:P to you. Hahaha!
Now... should I stay up for tonight's quiz? No one's won back-to-back quizzes, apparently. Hmmm... ;)
yup. at least it's doing what it's designed to do.
could give it some more thought. the chances of it happening must be pretty remote though. you have to sit in silence for an hour and then start typing at exactly the point doohickey gets tired.
Well, I did come from breakfast, so that exact scenario you're describing may have been what happened...
If you had live commented your breakfast, it wouldn't have happened :p
heeeh!
I wish I could do that, but the dining table is nowhere near my laptop. :D
Yeh, yeh, yeh. :P
will add it to the list, but it's a minor issue in the grand scheme of things.
sounds fair to me. what's the next issue, anyway?
that's classified ;)
oooh... will you have to kill me if i found out? :P
too true.
Um, isn't that what a laptop is for - to be portable?
You wouldn't want food getting into your laptop - unless you like the idea of ants getting into your laptop. :D
Ferrari-FIA trial is on CNN. They also mentioned the other teams against the cap. We get on that network for all the wrong reasons...
Im watching classic f1 on the bbc/f1 site. first time ive really seen f1 prior to 1992... i love it!
Classic F1 is VERY good. :D Steven Roy and I love it. :)
favourite bit? schumi parks that old car at rascasse.
he musta been getting his eye in all those years :)
Ive brushed it off for a long time, but coming to love it. especially seeing monaco without the Armco and ads everywhere. and seeing the much mentioned swimming pool in its entirety!
not up to 96 yet mr C!
ahh, that's all i've had chance to watch.
3rd day in a row i have left work early. I could get used to this barely working thing.
if you like seeing old Monaco, I suggest you watch the following:
1966: Grand Prix - ta John Frankenheimer movie that starts with a fantastic race sequence at Monaco
1971: Weekend of a Champion - a Roman Polanski documentary with Jackie Stewart chronicling his Monaco win that year
:)
home ALREADY?! I haven't even started working today yet! :P
I am going to miss the quiz tonight. I knew I was going out but I forgot it co-incided with the quiz.
:D
I didn't want to leave early today, but I had to take the opportunity because I managed to book a doctors appointment for half an hour before I was actually meant to finish. I are smarts.
Im doing it chronologically, great to see the changes in the cars, but 82' cars seem to have fewer wings than 81' cars which is strange. can anyone explain?
Figuring out what to do if his ball bursts live
i think it had something to do with ground effect - it was working so well for them, that they didn't need the front wings anymore...
I feel so old when I read comments like that
awww... that's a shame. :(
:D:P:D
I like classic F1, and I'm young, so you can look at it that way too. :D
:):):)
Cool! You can do non-spaced smileys now? Nice!
doohickeys only for time being.
we're rewriting wordpress one line at a time.
It is all to do with ground effect aerodynamics. From 77/78 they started shaping the under side of a car like a wing to create downforce. They reached a point where they took the front wings off the car because they were blocking the flow under the car and actually costing downforce. Didn't last for long as the rules were changed.
It is because of ground effects we have the plank today.
Can anyone direct me to a list of good Twitter feeds for F1
Ah, thanks, i know about the plank, and i remember the sparks.. very interesting though. Im now annoyed i haven't taken a bigger interest in the history of the sport. Thanks for the films journeyer, ive heard of grand prix, but they both look really good, will investigate!
The good thing now is that it is easy to find out anything you want and to get more info than you can ever use. Watch Le Mans with Steve McQueen. That is a good racing film too.
A lot of real drivers appear in Grand Prix so it is always worth trying to spot the real drivers from the actors.
Are you looking for news or comment or humour?
I have only been using it since Sunday and the fakes are great fun.
Regarding ground effect, were there no sparks in 82' because it was monaco and they needed a greater ride height, or had they not taken the cars that low yet?
sure:
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sidepodcast+Community+on+Twitter
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Team+Links
I get a little thrill everytime I watch it and spot Bruce McLaren :D
I should dig up Grand Prix. I have a copy of Le Mans, and it's not too bad even now, all these years later.
okay. must be time for me to sleeps. see y'all tomorrow.
Later, Mr C.
See ya Mr C
It is a struggle to remember which year was which. Around that time (I think it actually was 82) they tried to reduce the effect of ground effect by mandating a minimum ride height of 6 cm. Of course F1 being F1 after a couple of races teams realised that they could fit rising rate suspension because the ride height could only be measured in the pits. So they fitted softe springs on top of the normal springs. In the pits the car rose to meet the limit but as soon as it picked up any pace the aero load compressed the soft springs and it was back as before. It is possible that cars were actually complying with the 6 cm minimum in Monaco
Night, i should probably follow your lead, but im somehow addicted to classic f1
Thanks me
What about the other NZers?
Denny Hulme is thereand there may be others
Already. You just want to get up in the morning to show Christine Leo bursting his ball.
Thanks Steven, love the ingenuity of F1, never let a rule get in the way of a speed advantage!
What? Who is talking about us?
all great men but Bruce is my favourite :D
I should have got a set of the motorsport stamps NZ put out last year, and I don't even like stamps.
There were some amazing cars in the 80s and 90s. Dual chassis, fan cars, 6 wheels. Amazing stuff
I remember seeing some of them at goodwood, and being disappointed 6 wheels weren't allowed anymore.
Just realised that Kingfisher sponsored the 96 Benneton, VJ had his hands in earlier than I thought
Amy! Stamps???? Come on!
but its Bruce! and Denny! and Scott! and some other 2 blokes I've never heard of!
There was a rumour that someone was working on an 8 wheeler but that always sounded a bit iffy to me. But I suppose Tyrrel put 4 at the front and Williams and March put 4 at the rear so why not 4 at each end?
Chris Amon I would have thought would be one
there was controversy at the time
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/1402475
Wade Cunningham. You have to be joking
precisely. All this talk of Kiwi drivers has got me watching this
http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/trio-at-the-top-2001
Maybe he is but since he is not pictured on the stamp with his car breaking down, nobody can tell who exactly they are trying to show....
Hopefully f1 innovation can return to that level, but with recent developments that seems to be no nearer than before
That guy Warren Brown is a !!!!
I have never heard of him or Hugh Anderson. McLaren was not as good a driver as Chris Amon but he deserves his place. Ivan Mauger was awesome.
Wade Cunningham is running in Indy lights I think.
Leo gets played off by keyboard cat
http://leo.tumblr.com/post/110288158/leo-laporte-gets-played-off-by-keyboard-cat-via
How does that qualify him to be on a stamp? Is the guy who wrote that his agent?
Seriously, to think a karting champ deserves to be on a stamp ahead of Bruce McLaren is the most ludicrous thing I have heard in a long time.
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
Exactly!!!!!!!!!
Did hartley get in on the stamp act too?
You know why he said that
Well, seeing how the stamp collection was called or its intent was "NZ Champions of Motorsport" I think that Chris Amon should have been givien the bum's rush out of the door. Bruce McLaren should have his spot if only for the team that still bears his name.
Yes, Amon is an F1 Legend. But for all the wrong reasons...
I think that is a bit unfair. Piquet jr is for all the wrong reasons. Amon was a really good driver and the fact that he never won a GP should not detract from that . I have read respected journalists say that in the early 70s he was the second best driver in F1 to Jackie Stewart. I assume that was after Rindt's death but it still shows how highly rated he was. He mad so many bad team choices he makes Alesi look inspired.
I loved Mario Andretti's famous quote. If Chris Amon became an undertaker people would stop dying.
On that not it is time for bed and for a change I am only leaving once tonight so this is it.
From fake Max
Exhibit 1: That Massa chap thinks he can make it to the podium in Monaco. Exhibit 2: Red have taken us to court. Discuss.
I'll believe it when I see it, but goodnight anyway!
The sun is taunting me.. Time to call it quits, Night all..
Am I the only one around here who gets UP when the sun rises?
its time to join the converted.
I guess so!
You just proved my point, Steven. Amon was famous for being unlucky. He had his chances of winning, he should have won championships, but what does his record say: 0 wins. And it is not like he never had decent cars, but he somehow managed to grab defeat from the jaws of certain victory on numerous occasions enough times to be the butt of jokes from Mario Andretti.
We have a problem with the wording. There is just no room for a driver in a stamp collection called "CHAMPIONS OF MOTORSPORT" if you have yet to win a race.
Bruce McLaren as a driver is in a slightly better boat. His car won while he lived. That honour he shares as a sporting trivia question with "Blackjack" Cooper. So as a Team Owner he is worthy of the stamp.
But yes, if the collection was titled "NZ Legends of Motorsport" then for God's Sake give Amon pride of place....
So, like a latter day Mark Webber then?
No, that's overrating Mark Webber's abilities. Mark has not developed the ability to tease us with a certain win on a regular basis just yet before Mark's luck bite's him.
Best I can describe Chris Amon is season after season of performances like Nigel Mansell stalling his car coming out the hairpin in Montreal because his gear up hand was too busy waving to the fans. During the time that the car stalled, his teammate passed Mansell for the win.... I was a Mansell fan back then, and back then to this day I am stilling laughing my guts out thinking of that incident.
A pre-1997 Japanese Grand Prix Mika Hakkinen is the closest current driver to Chris Amon, come to think about it. Over 100 GP's wihtout a win back then. Then the Gift at Suzuka, and he becomes a back to back Champion in '98 and 99.
But before then, man he gave Chris Amon a run for his money...
The other driver that you really feel should have won a GP is Nick Heidfeld - F1's perpetual bridesmaid. Here are some of the records he holds. He has the most second place finishes without a win (8), the most number of points scored without a win, and has had the most podiums without a win. He also holds the record for the most number of consecutive classified race finishes (33). Victory has never been so close but so far if you look at the overall picture.
He IS the modern-day Chris Amon - except that he hasn't had as many opportunities as Amon to win a race.
Do not compare Nick Heidfeld to Chris Amon!
I have met the bloke and he is a legend. Just because you fail at F1 does not mean you are a bad driver. See Martin Brundle for a good example of that!
I have that on tape somewhere... must convert it to DVD sometime...
Haha - today is my Friday as it's a bank holiday tomorrow and I took leave on Friday. Off to Germany tomorrow to stock up on beer and buy some other stuff coz it's cheaper!
Sad thing is that I won't be able to join you for the Monaco GP as I have a meeting with the fellow attendees of the Le Mans trip on Sunday. Sometimes I wonder if my wife's family hate me so much because they keep organising stuff on Grand Prix Sundays :(
A shame you have to miss Monaco to organize for Le Mans. I guess they're not a fan of both. :(
But he never fulfilled his potential because he broke his legs in... Detroit, was it? Or was it Dallas?
with monaco 24 hours away, it's bearable. The Germans call Wednesday Mittwoch which basically means middle of the week - so I think they created humpday. useless fact for the morning. it's not often i appear in the morning so i thought i'd bring something to the table.
I think you've got the co-commentator from the BBC mixed up with someone else...? The point was that he was a very successful sportscar driver and won Le Mans, yet he "failed" in F1 according to Jordan's definition.
The best drivers in the world are not necessarily the F1 grid IMO!
Ooooh... cool factoid there. Hehehe. Where's Amy, by the way? Don't tell me she fell asleep early again. :P
I do remember he broke his legs - he ended up in hospital for it. Well, he did well in other formulae, for sure, but he didn't win a race, either, so by F1's standards, he wasn't successful.
Motorsport is made up of different disciplines - you can't compare people competing in different formulae. That's like comparing apples to oranges.
GMM have sunk to a new low:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090516163003.shtml
Honestly, I can't believe Autoblog reprinted it!
Well, Scheckter really did say it, and the BBC did report it. I'm not sure how this can be a new low?
Because Autoblog posted that he was going to, and TBH, his quote is no more serious than any of us who say 'I am not watching F1 anymore' every time something happens...
I'm sure Tommy Kristenson (sp?) would agree
I *HATE* Oracle
The headline says he considered it, rather than him actually wanting to do it. And the BBC also reported it. So I think it's a fair story.
I (heart) you!!! :D
Tom Kristensen? I'm sure he would, but he's not right or wrong. :)
Explain?
The movie "I Love You, Man" comes to mind...
I'd rather not. Just trying to get it installed in a Solaris Zone. Not at all straight forward.
Ooooh... Too bad Flibster isn't around - he knows a lot about that kind of stuff. :D
LOL.
We get so little sports car coverage in Oz. But I enjoy the yearly Radio Le Mans and the Audi v everyone else battle
I already know more than i want to, and it still doesn't work. I think i might go home and think about it.
Well hopefully I can find a portable radio tomorrow so I can enjoy RLM too ;)
All V8, eh? :D
Sounds like a good idea...
Why do you think there is only one Aussie in the sport? Because it's easier to race Taxis, that's why!
More than ever sadly.
Last night's conversation about oil was full of intellectual things and I thought I'd keep things going by talking about humpday a bit more :)
Gah! Nothing works. I'm off home.
enjoy Oracle. I know enough to know to stay away from it ;)
Did anyone see
the world touring car incident with the safety car crash? The safety car got it very very wrong.
Yep - apparently it's not the only time it's happened. Very Days of Thunder though!
aah the link is not direct. click on the "incidente in gara" just to the right of the parachutists
Show off ;)
hehe. taken a lot to get me this far. I can read italian quite well, it's the grammar part that (like with most people I guess) is the problem. I have an exam tomorrow - should be fun...
Well done sir - and good luck! Italian is a language I should have learned but never was given a proper chance at (family politics, of course!)
grazie ;) gee this family sounds great - stop you watching F1, learning italian.... :)
It's two families actually. You know what they say, you can pick your friends...
:) I once heard the theory of relativity described as "Time appears to move slower when there are more relatives around"
Hello to all.
Hey Christine. :)
Hiya :)
That is true - especially when organising road trips!
Christine, do you still need info on the Red Bull event in Szeged, Hungary last weekend?
Um?
G'Day :)
The one mentioned in the show last Sunday? Where the Red Bull cars were on the streets and Buemi tried a NASCAR?
Yes, I am aware of the event. Did we ask for more information then? I forget.
Well I asked my Hungarian colleague and she found a press release. Turns out 30,000 people attended the 3rd Annual speed event and it was all about showing off Red Bull liveried machinery - Buemi was apparently drag racing in a NASCAR and there were some F1 burnouts, stunt bikes etc. Szeged has a lot of concerts and themed events like this too.
Cool, thanks.
You're welcome!
I just spent an hour in a doctors waiting room. Good thing I don't have swine flu, I may have died whilst I sat.
Austrian TV showed a bit of it and it was pretty dull. Maybe the director was not aware the next 20 seconds was the good stuff, because they showed what looked like a movement of the 3 cars and then as soon as the F1 car turned and started doing a burnout they cut back to the studio. bizarre decision...
Only an hour? Wow, Australia has a good health system! ;)
You didn't before you went in there, but now you'll need to go back again to see if you got it while you were there today. I hope everything is good :)
It was a 2 minute appointment at the end of it, quick needle in the arm for the first of a course of 3 vaccines :D
I understand that this will be your first time at Le Mans?
You lucky *******! You are in for a real treat.
Was hoping to be at this years race, but money has been tight.
Which camp site are you staying at? Will you be arriving it time for Thursday qualifying?
Hey Matt,
cheers mate. I'll be staying at an infield campsite and we are arriving on Friday - we won't be able to make it for qualifying this time. I plan on doing an Amy and seeing everything. I'd love to keep you guys updated but I may not have internets down there... How can I do that?
overseas holiday? or just a catchup?
I know I'm tired but I keep expecting my post to be sent with Alt-S. any chance we could do that or perhaps it's better I remember there is a difference between outlook and the SPC interweb...
I can't imagine there is high demand for that.
just a catchup. An overseas holiday would be nice, but the only one planned is NZ. And thats not very exotic :(
you mean for stupidity? ;)
aah but when you're in australia, every trip to another country is overseas :)
I'm heading off-SPC now. Have a good day/night folks. Hopefully see you around for monaco in 24 hours. one quick piece of info Italians call München/Munich "Monaco of Bavaria" so if you're trying to get to Germany and travelling through Italy, don't get freaked out you're going to the wrong place. we refer to the one we care about this week as "Monaco of F1" ...no just plain old "Monaco"
*waves*
morning.
hello!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article6294116.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1
I think Mr. C. will like Clarkson's review of this car ;)
Allan McNish springs to mind here - he never really had the opportunity with Toyota to show whether he could have been an F1 driver. Had Allan or Anthony Davidson had the same opportunity of a competitive car and team fully behind them like Lewis would they have enjoyed similar success?
There are so many variables in motor racing and this is best shown with the Moto GP rider Marco Melandri. Last year he was on a Ducati - arguably the best bike on the grid (Casey Stoner gave Valentino Rossi a good run for the championship) but Marco could not make it work for him (invariably close to last in most races). This year he is riding for the Hayate Racing Team, a re-branded single-rider version of the Kawasaki Racing Team which like Honda officially withdrew from competition this year. Kawasaki, like Honda cited the economic climate but similarly were totally uncompetitive (I think both teams lost confidence in themselves). At Le Mans this Sunday Marco finished a genuine second and has been scoring well in other races with arguably the slowest bike on the grid and one where there has been no in-season development.
We do not give enough credit to synergy that exist between the driver, the car and the team. Simply comparing team mates is also not really valid and in most cases people ignore the actual race statistics anyway and go for gut feel or those that look more aggressive on the track. An example here is few people would consider Nick to be better than Bobby-K, the results over the period they have been team mates are very different Nick has scored more points and finished more races. Add to this he is able to adapt his driving style and to develop a car through a season. In race situations he may not be the fastest, but he can overtake, and really makes the best of opportunities in the race when they occur. Yet Jordan would define him as an F1 failure, and indeed it is possible he only shines in adverse situations.
I thought the same of Jenson and Rubens, but this year Jenson is showing the way and yet I am not actually convinced it is only the car (sure it was in Australia but since then the Red Bulls are IMHO equally good).
The same could be said for those living in Britain. Except everything outside the UK must seem exotic considering the grim holiday resorts and summer climate experienced on those windy isles. Remember the Spanish Armada was not so much defeated by the British navy as by a British summer!
Hah! Hayate are the Brawn of MotoGP! Thanks Rich, that's a good analogy! :)
Something tells me this is the cervical vaccine. Am I right? :)
They've been on fantastic form, really. That second factory Ducati has been a poisoned chalice - it hurted the careers of Gibernau, Melandri, and now Hayden.
bingo!
I knew it! :) A lot of my women friends and family have been taking that set of vaccines over here - especially in the last week.
Steve Parrish blames Ducati for this - making the bike work for Stoner and no-one else... Hayden is a bit Piquet though - apparently he can't make the new engine formula work because he came from 'point-and-squirt' while these lower power engines are better for the Euro riders who came up the ranks from the 'wingwing' baby bikes ;)
i'll take anything thats free, it wasn't when i was in nz so now that i'm here i figure 'hoorah taxpayer money'
Wow. We are talking about injections now? Better find some F1 news.
BRDC denies Silverstone sale.
The Mirror says Hamilton will have to grow up.
And Button is determined to get his first Monaco win.
But Hayden is a world champion - he beat out Rossi and Pedrosa for the title in 2006. I wouldn't compare him to Piquet.
Can I just say that it's getting harder and harder to justify being a Hamilton fan these days? :(
Hmmm... Not much news there, sadly. And there won't be any for another 2 and a half hours.
You are so right here. Hayden is really not having a good season and we know he is good rider. I also like they guy (surprising considering I am not very pro USA) but that is because he seems down to earth. My favourite though is James Toseland - pity Lewis is not like him!
There are several campsites on the infield. I don't know how many of the sites have numbered spaces - but if yours doesn't, try to get there as early as you can, because the place does fill up on Friday.
Fill up on supplies from a supermarket on the way down (although there is a supermarket in walking distance from the circuit)
Take clothing for ALL weather conditions. You can never tell what the weather will do, but whatever it does do - it will do so in extreme. One year we had 37degrees, and the next rain and thunder like in Malaysia - but for most of the race.
So take the 'wet weather gear', and the sun cream.
Make sure that you carry all your valuables with you at all times. It is a busy event, and you do get some thieves targeting the campsites.
Don't expect to get much sleep on Friday - it gets a little crazy. There seems to be a competition among the campsites over who can bring the biggest fireworks. Enjoy.
I you fancy a shower on Saturday, then get up EARLY.
Do you have grandstand seats booked?
opps, forgot the spell check/correct that. Let me know if you need a translation
do not want. Barrichello please.
Hehehe. Either would be good. Button slightly edges it for me, though. :)
hes won enough, he needs to share.
I'd take either :D
although Barrichello winning at Monaco would be 5 pints of awesome, 3 spoonfuls of win and a barrel of huzzah!
Many thanks Matt ;)
We are in Campervans and I think we have marked spaces :)
We will be stopping in the great Supermarket town of Flensburg in Germany for beer, food and supplies...
Will do - I have heard that the weather is a bit 'capricious' ;)
I am paranoid, which helps!
Awesome! I plan to stay awake for the whole race too!
Our campervan has a shower in it I think... no problem for me though!
Yep, can't remember the name but it's near the first corner.
Thanks again for the tips Matt, you're a legend! :D
Wow, you've taken that quote to a whole new level there! :D
best birthday evah!
I reckon Lewis should spend some time with James Toseland - that is one nice guy, double Superbike world champion and a gifted musician. James had a terrible start to his season but he responded in such positive ways and makes sure he is accountable.
see http://forum.jamestoseland.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=737
It would have been better for Lewis to have at least one season in a back marker team to have gain some character.
It's the true recipe for success I hear!
anybody brought up here yesterday's article on GP.com on the new teams ? If Mr. Saward can gather that sort of information surely all the current teams must have similar data in hand. that would give them quite strong assurance that the chance of getting locked out of F1 by new teams is rather low. that may be one of the reasons some of the teams are playing hard ball with FIA right now
Jake Humphrey has a new blog entry with some info on the coverage for Monaco, and a behind the scenes video.
I can't watch it right now, but it looks interesting.
That does look good. BBC are doing really well so far!
Geolocked video. :(
It's putting Jake into the 60's, superimposing him into footage, looks really interesting actually should be an interesting watch come Sunday!
sounds like the opening will be rather different, even if I can't see the video :D
I really need one of those remotes you can put on your keys so if you lose them you can hear where you left them, 3rd time this week ive put my keys down somewehere and I cant remember where!
Oh they were in my messenger bag. Hm.
Moving on... :D
yup - i agree with that assessment, Wolf. and the FIA are slowly retreating - they've already said that the vacant spots will be available even after the May 29 deadline, so assuming only USF1 and Lola enter, there will still be 11 spots left. ;)
Always in the last place you look.
Hahaha! Aren't you a bit too young to be having them memory issues? :P
Memory? What memory?
:P
Of course. If you carried on looking after you'd found them it would be a bit silly! :)
Has anyone seen this article
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/a-worrying-new-report/
I am very worried about the budget caps and having to use standard parts. Economic rationalisation may be appropriate in a pure manufacturing environment but it can blight innovation. My own employers are building a mammoth life-science facility described as a “machine for learning and research” put into English it means learning and science is to be manufactured as if it were on a production line. There is no way you can be innovative under such circumstances.
F1 needs to remain unique - we have spec-car series like A1-GP and it is just not as exciting! Sure it is nice for more teams to have opportunities to win races but I like to see how different bits of aero-work can influence the car, or the Red Bull has a different rear suspension to any other team.
Why? Bar a few spins in China, his driving has been really good this year.
OK, I'm being provocative maybe :)
There is lots of negative press about him at the moment but quite frankly, it is getting a little silly now.
Lewis has never looked comftable talking to the media, but even by his standards, he has some really silly things this year. However people seem to forget that Alonso was grumpy last year until he started winning. Lewis is a competitive individual, and quite frankly, he should not be happy with the way the season has turned out so far!
It doesn't make any of it right though. Yes he's still a fantastic driver but the way he behaves is very off-putting!
i heart the soccer pics on drop.io. thats one football team i would actually watch.
I agree, but then I felt similar about Senna at the time.
I can appreciate his desire to be competitive, every driver wants to be and he is a world champion, but it bothers me how negative his attitude is when the McLaren has improved from what they initially believed it to perform like. Plus you look at Button's attitude for 2 years after 2006 and whereas he may have had moments of downbeat feelings at the Honda car, you never saw him almost ignoring the team and hinting at moving away just because of a lack of compeitiveness in the car, he just got on with the job and strived to improved.
I just think lewis needs to put his head down, concentrate on the job and keep trying to get the best out of the car because when he does, he gets a great drive out of it and it'll only improve his reputation.
Well said Lukeh. Do you guys remember in Hyde Park that I said that this year will be a true test of Hamilton's character? Well, at this moment in time I think he's scoring an "F" :(
Lewis is a public figure, part of his job is to work with the press. See my comment about James Toseland - that is the sort of person Lewis needs to emulate for him to become a genuine sports person. He is the World Champion and therefore an Ambassador for the sport and is doing a rather poor job of it just at the moment.
Or maybe a "P" for Piquet.
It would be nice if all these drivers were great guys and perfect sportsman, but they are real people. I think Lewis was put into the spotlight way too fast, and didn't grow up thorugh the sport properly
I really dislike the way he often refers to the team as 'them' and 'they'
Oooooooh. Harsh.
Daddy tells him to say that I think...
Button-gate Mark I and II (in 2004 and 2005, respectively) forced Jenson to mature - a lot. Now he's one of the most loyal people to his team out there. Lewis will now need to learn what Jenson has learned back then.
But fair :(
Will they NEVER get a proper PR person to take over?
Daddy needs to stay in that hedge he crashed into.
Jenson has leant from his mistakes and I am pleased that his loyalty to Honda/Brawn is paying off. In the case of Lewis one has the feeling that he is looking for excuses to jump ship when his team is not winning. He should see this as an opportunity to build the team up the way Michael Schumacher did at Ferrari.
that would mean listening to others telling him (them) what to say and what not to say :-)
Yes, and Schumacher was what, 5 years into his career and after 2 world championships?
If that is true then it's really sad considering Mclaren made him. Surely that's a case for sticking around?
Yes, very much agree with that assessment. But does Lewis have the right qualities to do a Schumacher (with Ferrari) or an Alonso (with Renault the first time)?
Is this the same Jenson who wanted to jump to Williams, or stay with Honda depending who was fastest....?
Alonso started when he was 3 years into his career and he had no championships. It's more about the person's strength of character than it is about what he's already accomplished.
As I said, that mess (in 04/05) forced him to mature - a lot. He could've decided to look around after 07/08, but he stayed on, and only looked around when the team was on the verge of closing.
Agreed. I think it is unfair to expect Lewis to be as mature the first time he hits a hurdle in his career. For better or worse, this is probably the first time he's been in this situation.
I am really not sure its good to emulate these guys - rather look to James Toseland as a role model - double world champion and 2007 BBC sports personality of the year but has had a really rough time in Moto GP but remains the gentleman despite criticism of his performance from the public.
see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvnrFQx0lTg
Good point there. :D But that said, those are real F1 examples. One may hate what they did on-track, but it's what they did off-track that really set them apart - and is what Lewis should emulate.
It's the simple things - like working all night at the factory, giving constant feedback, even buying food for the boys - that will earn Lewis the team's undying loyalty. I believe Joe touched on this in a previous Aside.
Meant to say was in line to be BBC sports personality of the year like Lewis. How suitable would it actually have been if Lewis actually won this considering events of this season?
Hmmm. Good point there, Rich.
I feel for Lewis. For two years he is the hero if UK motorsport, now everyone is on his back. I think he is lucky Jenson is taking mush of the spotlight off him
*much
When has it not happened to any British driver out there? Jenson, Damon, DC - everyone in recent history went through it.
Yep, i guess you are right
The main problem is Lewis has had the greatest ooportunity any driver has ever had of going straight into a top team who were near the climax of their careers. I still consider McLaren to be the best team in terms of developing the best F1 package. This year they have generally shown good improvement and they will be winning not too soon. My issues is Lewis is not helping the team with his public comments. I also do not accept his youth - you can still be young and a team player - DeSeb seems a good example here.
I agree with you, but keep in mind that once the environment is there to make Lewis look bad, you're rarely going to hear any good stories like you would have last year. They will not been seen as interesting by the editors, and so the bad ones are what find their way to the surface. Lewis (and other drivers) probably make all sorts of comments throughout their career, but it's only once the boot is already in, that it's fashionable to join in. mob mentality.
I don't disagree. I think Lewis needs to toughen up. But I can see why he is like he is. I think Lewis is also showing the sort of killer instinct a lot of past champs have.
I also can't believe I keep defending the guy...!
Is it common that each driver has their own fuel rig?
Yet why did we hear about all the good stuff Michael did? Surely, if Lewis did it too, we'd hear about it...
Yup, it is - it's been standard practice for a decade or so now.
Ferrari had a better PR machine?
Today, of all days:
Four new teams confirm F1 plans
Shows how much I pay attention :) Is there a reason? I always noticed two rigs in the pictures but assumed that one was the backup.
because they think Ferrari will lose and withdraw?
This isn't going to end well is it?
They act as each other's backup. Remember Singapore last year, when Felipe broke his fuel rig? He used Kimi's rig for his 2nd stop.
Heh. It's a propaganda war, I tell ya.
Nope. Max is boxed in right now. Even if he wins (which I doubt), FOTA will appeal - and that may mean this will not end by next Friday...
It seems like it is getting out of control. If they *were* to actually get to the grid next year - would we just be seeing glorified F3 cars with cosworth V8s and movable wings I wonder
This is getting beyond ridiculous!
Makes sense. I guess it means there is more chance that the backup is guaranteed to be working.
Yep - while we're all watching the new GP1 series with Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Renault, Toyota, and Red Bull - at least.
OK, now how many of them actually have the money and facilities to make the step ...
Max was making all sorts of deals (and promises) with other teams without consulting with existing teams.
I really really really hope FOTA win the appeal. Somebody has to stand up to Max otherwise I think F1 is doomed.
My worry is that just won't happen. It's far to easy for Renault, Toyota and BMW at least to leave the sport
Of course, the court won't really look at that...
Here's an interesting tweet-opinion:
thinking about that - 40 mil is a value of very good sponsorship deal that the top teams may have these days, but will have difficult time to renew ... so, still no peanuts to raise for a new F1 opearation.
Renault may leave, but I'm sure Flavio will find some money and soldier on. Toyota and BMW are a bit more worrying, though - even if they find a buyer, would they join F1 or GP1?
I'm sure the LMS is praying Ferrari just give up on single-seaters altogether and join them instead...
150% agreement from me.
Loving this tweet:
163% for me;)
i told you A1GP had a future :)
Hmmm. No entry from Oreca yet?
Just over an hour to go - better eat dinner now, lest I miss anything...
an hour of what? the submission deadline?
the verdict, silly. :D
court verdict on FIA vs Ferrari
well, the initial one, anyway...
This time I think there is a real danger that Ferrari will pull out with Toyota. Max has not been fair to the existing teams. I would expect Renault to pull out as well citing similar reasons (but in reality it would have been an economic situation). If Red Bull decides to pull out then it will be difficult to think of it as F1 any more (they are the flamboyant team and I will really miss their presence). Finally BMW could also pull out - this years results hardly justify the budget!
You will then have space for the new teams to fill up the back of the grid and it will end up a two-tier system.
Leading to the months of apeals
But the A1GP cars are Ferraris!
Time is on FOTA's side right now - if that is what happens, the new entrants won't bother anymore and FOTA will win.
and if that happens, McLaren and Williams will simply blow away the rest, as they have so much knowledge and development expertise, even while spending the same
at least Lewis would stop whining ;)
:-)
... and Nico could stay put :-)
What about Brawn as well!
If they *were* to actually get to the grid next year - would we just be seeing glorified F3 cars with cosworth V8s and movable wings I wonder {Comment #315}
If they were to get on the grid, they'd have to spend part of the £23m they're allowed to spend in 2009 on getting themselves a factory capable of making themselves constructors. Otherwise the FIA will be obliged to reject them when they turn up for the first race in 2010 due to the regulations (this applies whether the 2009 or 2010 regulations are in play at that point).
By the time the teams have spent the money on a factory and the many staff needed to be a constructor, there will be enormous difficulties in getting a fast car. Assuming, of course, that the relevant planning authorities actually allow the necessary factories to be constructed in good time in the first place...
assuming they don't leave... which they will probably do if there is a breakaway series...
That remains to be seen, without Honda, but yes, probably.
Ray Mallock? Wow!
But what about Epsilon? I thought they were helping USGPE?
This has to be politicking - these guys can't all be serious!
what happened to your dinner ? :-)
still cooking, apparently... will go back down in 5. :)
Yep.
They haven't been mentioned in the same sentence since weeks before the launch. I'm not sure they were even mentioned by PW during the launch. So they may actually be working separately now.
Yup, very true - getting your name on the entry list is one thing, racing quite another.
Reality Check how can a team like Litespeed hope to get a competitive car ready for next year. The will be an embarrassment the way Lola were at their last F1 presence.
These teams only use is to give the F1 Rejects website more material for their site!
new Brawn front wing for Monaco - http://bit.ly/19w7jl
FTA:
Surely there are only two serious names there - USF1 and Lola?
Some nice rumours going round about other news teams interersted.
Biggest one for me would be the return of Team Lotus - backed by Hitachi.
David Hunt still owns the name and has been wanting to return for a few years from what I hear.
Max doesn't really care at this point if they enter or not. So long as they show interest, he can use that as ammunition against the existing teams.
ooh, bendy
That makes a mockery of the new aero regs doesn't it?
Wasn't this the last iteration of Lotus?
Are you serious? :P
Wow
They're definitely not standing still. ;)
BTW, any word if RBR will use the DDD this weekend?
LOL. Diffuser anyone?
nice rumour. I'll support a LOTUS!! I need a team - i've been drifting ever since ..well..i forget.
It's called 'exploiting a loophole'. Like they did with the DDD. :D
Hitachi were involved for a few years and are apparently still loyal to Team Lotus
Yes.
Lotus baby! :D
All wee need is somethign that looks good and breaks down frequently and it'll be a real Lotus race car. :D
do we really expect this to run to time? maybe I should set up a google new alert.
He is trying to scare the teams into signing before the deadline. I hope they call his bluff. The madman has to go!
as long as it's yellow. Truly, I am that shallow. And none of that fluro yellow.
Not black and gold?
Don't you mean brittish racing green?
and painted green and yellow
ps sounds like their roadcars!
I want something a bit brighter than these
JPS cars were awesome
I never knew them when they were that colour, hence for me lotus is yellow...
Red, gold and cream?
if you click on the F1 link to the left you can look at the cars through the previous years - watch the rear wings change...
aaah. i'd rather not :)
Was that not cos of Camel sponsorship!
shhh. don't mention them. I miss the days when the sponsorship logos were changed into driver's names or something for some races because of the local bans.
I'm guessing there is no such tobacco ban in Monaco?
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.php?photoID=126323&catID=1101-3706
They're not an EU member, so no ban. Even so, Ferrari stuck with the barcode at Monaco last year.
I don't think Monaco is part of the EU is it?
No, they're not.
Gavin, will you join tonight's quiz, BTW?
ahh I didn't realise it was an EU thing, I thought it was more a common sense thing ;)
I think thats because the advertising can't be shown on TV outside of Monaco.
Good ol' Ferrari.
Sure, I'm off tomorrow so it shouldn't be a problem. what time is it?
Brand Republic claim that Brawn's commercial director has left. Unfortunately, I can't get the link working well enough to find out the finer details :(
8:30, I think. :)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/may/20/lewis-hamilton-monaco-grand-prix-ayrton-senna
More Lewisms. Because it's him, those quotes about him and Senna come across really badly...
I know he admires Senna and everything, but he doesn't need to keep telling us about it every other week.
They’re not an EU member, so no ban. Even so, Ferrari stuck with the barcode at Monaco last year. {Comment #380}
That's because Monaco is part of the WHO, which is supposed to have ratified a ban on tobacco advertising. The EU have a separate law that preceded the WHO one.
It's funny that there is a lot of complaints on the Team McLaren boards about the official site never mentioning Ayrton on the anniversary of his death, when on the other hand, McLaren's actual driver is talking about him too much.
Oooh. As always, Alia teaches me something new everyday. Very nice fact there - thank you! :)
Is not Lewis telling everyone that he is great the way Senna was. I think it is for other people to judge his similarity to the legend.
There is a time and place to talk about Ayrton. They talk about him too much, yet they don't mention anything when it's actually appropriate to.
25 minutes to go. Really getting antsy now...
you really think a decision will be on time?
They hardly ever mention Prost do they?
25 minutes till what?
i've got a google alert set up but does anyone know where it's likely to be carried first? bbc news radio?
yup, i do. if the FIA could it, so can they. :)
Ooooh I'll get to find out before my exam :o
ferrari F1 court decision
Too true, too true. :)
I will accept any new team as long as it is painted pink and Franck is its driver! (even one from Nick Wirth!)
http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=108596
Trying to get in good with Christine?
someone pointed out that they never mention Bruce on his anniversary either, and a debate raged. Those forums are awful.
You guys scared the hell out of me. First I thought it was Thurs. FP2, not that I would have missed it, but that would have made me at least 25 min. late for work. I would have had to start working on my sick voice
Prost at least took the trouble to go to Ron's award! ceremony.
Ping!
it's all right. you're here now. :)
Funnily enough, Damon Hill in Motorsport Magazine cites his driving style as his inspiration...
Joe Saward's blog was first last time...
I think it's possible that Ron and Lewis agreed to avoid being seen in the same room together. Do you think that's unlikely?
Good tip
I quite like the livery on Alex Lloyd's car. He seems to as well and even set up a joke website called "Pink Lloyd" about it... :)
and this place doesn't cost me $160 a year!
awww! :D that should make Christine smile. :)
Do you have to be a member to get on teh McLaren forum?
link please?
yep
I like this guy.
Perhaps we are missing a trick there ;)
http://joesaward.wordpress.com
when you provide me with merchandise, 12 magazines a year and pit lane visits at races, then I'll pay you $160 a year :D
By avoiding each other you could draw more adverse publicity and speculation. I just do not like the way he (Ron) was treated - I am really not a fan of him - but you respect, even if you have differences of opinion. Actually it was the refusal of Lewis to provide some text for the ceremony that really offended.
are you still a member? do you still get those perks?
Do you think it's worth it? I have avoided joining up to now
thanks. maybe james allen on twitter too?
Oh.
That is kinda of why I introduced it - it is sort of fun and not too serious!
http://twitter.com/Jamesallenonf1
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/Industry-News/CAR-interviews-McLaren-Automotive-boss-Ron-Dennis/
The full interview with Ron Dennis from CAR Magazine. It may have been linked to earlier...
Go you! Dusk and the night time are my favourite parts of the race. The Atmosphere as the light fades (and the BBQs start cooking), while the cars go thundering by, headlights and break disks glowing is awesome.
Incidentally, you can see who is really pushing by seeing how much the breaks are glowing under breaking. (tip: if you start getting some showers during the night, head to opposite the pits to see the cars all flying in!)
However don't forget it a tough event - I have said for years that the 24h is harder on the spectators than the drivers. The hustle and bustle of 250,000 spectators is incredibly draining, and you will be on your feet for much of the time, Also it is not 'just' 24 hours. You will have been on the go for 8h+ before the race even begins.
Just remember to carry plenty of water, and don't kill yourself trying to stay awake. If you are walking around like a zombie, you are not enjoying yourself. Sometimes better to get a quick nap (or at least taking a break from the track)
That is a very good investment. Le Mans is different from shorter races (such as F1) where you tend to watch the whole race from one spot. At Le Mans, you move around and watch from several different spots on the circuit. However a Grandstand seat is a still a good purchase. It gives you a geed refuge to take a break when you need it, plus you don't need to find a trackside spot to watch the start/finish of the race (trackside alongside the start/finish straight fills up 4-5 hours before the start of the race). Most Grandstands have a big screen positioned so you can follow the race while the cars are round the back of the circuit.
just noticed the decision is expect at 2pm (french time, 9 minutes) so I agree that the decision is likely to be at this time - i was thinking they were still in court and was expected to finish at that time. i really need lunch though so might have to run away.
Interesting tweet while waiting for the verdict:
Oooh. *gathers up DAS pass and hunts for car keys*
does anyone know if Brawn WERE at Kemble like we were talking about a day or two ago?
yep although the merchandise quality is shocking, the magazines are glorified advertising for mclaren partners with the odd good article from time to time, and the pit visits are few and far between. I think I only got one in Melbourne because the recession means there were less corporate VIPs for them to schmooze with. Most of the folks in Britain have done MTC tours and really enjoyed them.
Even with all the criticism I think its worth it, but I'm a huge fan and like having stuff you can't buy. The shirts from the last few years have been only available to members so its fun to spot others wearing them at races. There is no shirt in this years pack though.
Rob says they were...
but was this afterward the event or before? When i was on-site (here) I think it was Rob's comment who said a friend saw them there, but then all we saw was a tractor, a plane or three and a rainbow.
i just got a google news alert. but nothing new :(
And so we wait.
I'm waiting for people to say on here. So don't forget people :)
400 comments? aww damn.
morning all.
we will. although i need to go pick up my lunch in a minute
just found this story about valencia track and a corruption case
all excited for a moment..
FIA to appeal
If they are ruled against in todays *blah blah blah*
Damn...
SHOOT.
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5339025,00.html
morning. i blame me. my work is particularly stop start today so i keep coming in here and making chat...
Ah damnit.
Ferrari lose round one against the FIA
Wednesday 20th May 2009
Ferrari have lost their bid to gain an injunction against the FIA's plans to introduce its controversial budget cap next season.
The Scuderia indicated before the court case that they will withdraw from the 2010 Championship if the FIA refuses to back down on the £40 million budget cap or the 29 May deadline for entries to next year.
So now what?
you peeps discussed this post yet?
"Former grand prix boss Nick Wirth, sportscar team Epsilon Euskadi, leading race car engineering company Ray Mallock Limited and GP2 outfit Campos Racing have joined the list of outfits confirming plans to compete in Formula 1 next year"
annoyed. off to get food.
ooh, dear
yep.
carry on then :)
There will be plenty of slots by the looks of things.
Now - can Ferrari appeal this decision? Is that allowed for an injunction?
Sounds like Rubbish to me. John Hindhaugh of MWM is chummy with RML so expect him to make a comment tonight...
Awww crap. :(
Amazing. I really thought Ferrari would win round 1
The French courts have almost always ruled for the FIA. The FIA haven't lost there for years now.
normally yes, but it depends on the court system - i think they'll probably need a fresh argument.
So did I - this could be a sad moment in f1 history!
Looks like the FIA may get to have things the way they want. They will have teams all on a 40 million pound budget and should Mercedes leave get there wish of having a standard engine supplier in the form of Cosworth.
It will be interesting to see the Ferrari press statement today.
But what if the FOTA teams all agree to not follow the budget cap? Remember that the two-tier system is no longer in place.
Williams have already said they would follow it.
You have to imagine Force India will do the same.
james allen just tweeted the verdict is still yet to be announced.
did pf1 jump the gun?
And if the Ferrari and the other manufacturers do pull out? What will Max say?
pitpass have also reported it, as have the BBC, so I don't think so.
wow. let's see....i hope so :)
To avoid further "issues" Macca will sign up. I am interested to know Brawn's stance. The rest of the team could withdraw!
Wouldn't be surprised. PF1 did the same for Spy... the Spy Saga and got it wrong. Until JA and Joe say something, I won't believe it!
nope - it's on Autosport - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75442
BBC are reporting it as well, although there is no report yet just the headline in yellow on the top of the sport page.
surprised BBC didnt say 'FORMULA 1 IN MELTDOWN AS FIA PREVAIL AGAINST WORLD' or something
that's good enough for me.
:D
I was amazed they didn't go for London.
my hope is their "valid reason" becomes better in the next few days.
FIA is based in Paris. That's the only place they can go to.
Indeed.
Bad news. I don't want to say bad decision because I have no idea if Ferrari were justified in using that excuse.
What do you think will happen now, Steven?
Should be held on neutral ground in my opinion so not France or Italy.
I read in AUTOSPORT that they had the choice because of... Some reason? The Concorde agreement is based in English law? Something like that.
I guess this just increases the chance of a breakaway
Sadly, I agree.
Nice tweet:
I hope there is no breakaway - look at what happened in the states :(
I think Mr C had it right in the debrief... Max hasn't realised that while the budget cap makes racing cheaper it also devalues F1 as a brand.
If some of these no hopers can afford to do it then what does it mean?
I really don't like this :(
aaaagh. we saw a breakaway in rugby league in australia before they merged back after a few years. it slaughtered the sport because loyalties and rivalries formed over years were suddenly not there. Whatever happens, i hope it stays as one competition.
well, the teams still have till Friday to come up with some proposal to Max. Also FIA will need to do something about the 2010 regs if they are serious about scrapping the two-tier thing
Very interesting.
Also - what about Max and his "vote me to remain as President after kinky-gate and I will stand down at the next elections"
He'll never step down.
You gotta love a sport where a team that receives unfair and preferential treatment tries to take the governing body to court for imposing unfair rules on them! How ironic is that?
but Max will now be negotiating from a position of strength. that can't be good.
they can keep the 2010 regs intact. the FIA will just invoke the court ruling and shove the rules they want down FOTA's collective throats.
by the way, the teams were to meet yesterday, no reports came out of that meeting, right ?
The fact that Ferrari had an unfair advantage in the first place should be questioned in court.
Interesting how this has all come to a head right before Monaco, where EVERYONE in F1 is in attendence. Expect something big to happen this weekend...
where that team was supported by teams that would normally be against such preferential treatment...
but if the other teams support them, then that shouldn't be playing as big a role in this ruling, right?
that's understating it... ;)
we might hear from them anytime now...
I'll say! I wonder what other secret clauses there were
I think anyone who can build a car to the rules should be allowed to race it. We have had a closed shop and all that did was reduce grid sizes. We need more teams so that the young drivers, engineers and mechanics can get experience and the best ones will move to the front.
I'm sure we'll find out soon!
I am heading to the land of nod, I'm already looking forward to waking up to see what develops in the next 8 hours or so. Night all!
How will you sleep after this?
Me neither. The problem is Max is so arrogant he believe the teams will simply bend to his wishes without any real discussion. Having won this, he essentially will have broken FOTA as a meaningful group and will get even moreof a dictator. If these teams do pull out we will not have F1 as we (or I) know it!
I haven't seen anything
night Amy. already?
nothing new coming out of italian media.
But is the FIA going about it properly? That's the 40-million pound question right now...
Someone go prod Bernie... He'll let us know.
Give them a couple of hours for the PR to go full swing.
Yeah I know. Expect a stand against Max and Bernie in some form (possibly a breakaway, possibly a Coup d'etat)...
I don't think LDM will give in so easily... I'm sure they'd have planned for this eventuality.
Me too see ya folks.
I am just surprised that a French court did not question it. Of course they may have decided that it was wrong in the first place and that is what decided the case.
Good night Amy
yup, that's a possibility.
night Paul
Good night Paul
Totally different situation. CART was thriving and becoming more popular. F1 is in a mess and needs big changes.
well, FIA rarely looses court cases in France. that may be also a reason why they are based there ...
Even so - it will still affect the sport negatively. It didn't need to happen this way.
I was thinking that too. I have heard of cases like that - where the defendant's argument against a ruling is invalid unless it invalidates a separate earlier ruling that the defendant accepted - therefore the case is thrown out...
The Situation is irrelevant - damage was done in the split that still hasn't been repaired. The same will happen here!
They must be competitive so a rule like the 107% needs to be applied. Last time Lola competed they were11 sec off the mark!
I think the behaviour of Max and Bernie over a number of years has adversely affected the sport. Staying with them means more negativity.
So we should put up with them forever because a breakaway is always bad?
So we keep the status quo and let dumb and dumber ruin F1?
We need major changes in the sport and so long as these clowns are pulling the strings that is not going to happen
Ferrari have issued its first press release of the day:
But at what price? Is splitting F1 in two really going to solve the problem? Unless all the current entrants jump ship and get Bernie's commercial deals, I don't think so...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75443
Absolutely. I think anyone should have to earn their place on the grid in every race. Why should Honda when their car was garbage have the right to qualify automatically for every race simply because no-one else is allowed to enter.
Force India have qualified last for the vast majority of their races. What are they contributing to F1 that should guarantee their right to be on the grid for every race. Qualifying should mean something an F1 should not be a closed shop.
For anyone who dislikes Johnathan Legard and has Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=81659204708#/group.php?gid=81659204708
If it hasn't become obvious yet, we are stuck in the middle of a war for the heart and soul of this sport. Whoever wins, it will come at a price. The collateral damage will be massive.
FYI, this was released BEFORE the decision today.
That's why it's their first release of the day. ;)
As much as I dislike the man's commentary, I dislike stupid facebook groups even more but I'll leave that for another day...
You are making EXACTLY the same statements as Tony George did in the early 90's. Well guess what - US Single seater racing was mortally wounded and Tony George turned out to be as bad as the last guys running the show :(
the problem is money - going to races with not much chance to race and get TV coverage does not make much sense
Lotus, McLaren, Williams? Not big car companies but they have done more to create F1 history than all the major manufacturers put together.
All the current teams will move together.
right, I'll leave you guys to discuss this big news whilst I spend the next 3 hours writing up law-related examination answers. Wish me luck!
But Williams have already stated that they will follow the cap.
;) if i worked for ferrari, i'd drive the company car everywhere....
no, i'd wait hours before making a decision. the public is how this game will be won and lost. it's in ferrari's decision to say almost nothing today and then do something at monaco tomorrow during the gaps on thursday - and then get 24 hours of coverage on friday when journos have no on track action
And Force India.
Against the likes of Ferrari, Alfa Romeo and Renault. You need both sides of the equation for it to work.
Not the first time we have been there. So long as Berni and his boy are running the show we will keep having wars and scandals and bias. We need a split from them.
Bocca di lupo (in the mouth of the wolf - it's italian for good luck. you can't make this stuff up)
Good Luck!!
But they WEREN'T running the show last time - it was Balestre at the helm. Bernie and his gang were the good guys, remember?
Isn't it "In Bocca Al Lupo"?
they can always argue this was in the current configuration. if one team pulls out, that will affect things. f1 would not be the same if any team pulls out, and depends on who....
Tony George took away Indy and built a new championship with nobodies in it.
What I am talking about is the same teams racing on the same tracks with different people running the show. Max will set up a rival championship but with no known teams and no major attractions to make it a rival. Monaco will followm Ferrari McLaren and co because they like the money and the prestige more than michel Boeri likes his nice little job with the FIA.
i hope you're right... but you can never be sure, to be honest.
Yes but at least they are within 2 seconds and Sutil has got the car into points winning situations both last and this year.
The reality is the outfits mentioned will be so hopelessly uncompetitive at least for next year that it will damage F1 as a spectator sport.
Of course I do not believe those teams will actually make it to the grid in 2010.
:) yeah it is. i don't pay attention to those inbetween words. i have an exam tomorrow. I should go well
But if teams want to do that why should they be banned. All they have to do is beat Force India to get on the grid and then build from their. That is what teams did in the past. Why should they be banned from trying?
But isn't it the teams setting up a rival championship? I wonder how easy it is to transfer commercial deals (for FOM) from the current F1 to a breakaway GP1...
i agree. those teams might actually be in a better position depending on the shakedown of who goes, which team sponsors move to other team, and which track sponsors go...aaaargh
Reasons to love Sidepodcast #34: A Filipino correcting an Australian on Italian grammar :D
Made me laugh:
:D
not easy, and how easy would it be to get it on TV and get paid good money by TVs ...
Hahahahaha! Absolutely hilarious. :D
but one must wonder if there are clauses in those contracts stating that Ferrari have to be in F1 for it to be valid...
I don't see Williams staying in a championship where they will race no-one when they can move with the others. There is not a better negotiator in the paddock than Frank. I am sure he is putting down a marker to get Max onside and something to use as leverage to get a good deal out of a breakaway.
Force India has a technical link up with Macca - how can these teams mentioned get close to the tails of this year's grid back markers?
No one is banning any team the debate is to limit budgets to R40 million.
:) I'm the only native English speaker in my class and sometimes when discussing things, people look at me to comment on the English grammar for our topic. then their eyes move over to a German who knows English grammar much better.
that we don't know, but I would not be suprised if similar clauses were present
what if a1gp was not around next year? there would be tracks and spare money and some TV coverge..
But all the trouble was caused by Bernie wanting to run the show. It turned into a power struggle between the two of them to see who was most powerful.
again, one would hope that really is the case... it's a bit unnerving that we have not heard anything on the topic from Williams or Brawn...
that has been mentioned numerous times as a potential exit route - Ferrari could buy them out and use it to start building the new championship.
But you can say the same thing then as now - would they really have wanted to stick to Balestre and the status quo?
I have no argument with anything you ar saying. Something has to be in place to guarantee quality but that should not mean a closed shop where no-one is allowed to enter. Williams was not exactly highly rated when he first tried but he stuck at it and eventually hit on a winning formula. Today others should have that option.
Bernie will follow the money making appeal. Do you think any of the circuits who have paid big bucks for a race are going to be happy to be told Mallock and co are going to be racing while on the same day Ferrari, McLaren and co are racing somewhere else?
:D
Brawn and Williams have no real current interests outside of F1. Just assuming if Ferrari, Renault, Toyota, BMW and Red Bull pulled out - each of these could re-direct their factories to another area of motorsport. Unfortunately it would take that amount of withdrawal before Max would re-consider.
I wonder what CVC are thinking right now...
It is harder to negotiate a deal when you have declared a position.
What do you think will FOTA be saying this weekend?
I'm still here oops
They are probably working out how they can sell out to Bernie which is probably why he triggered this whole thing by getting Max to impose a budget cap.
I made jokes about it a week ago but wasn't aware other, shall we say, more informed people, mentioned it.
Teams are united. Budget cap is against the ethos of F1. Will consider our plans. We will not enter a championship where a budget cap is in place.
But why would they sell out to Bernie already when they haven't even been able to repay their debt in full yet? Have they actually made any money off F1?
But Max is bending the rules to let these teams in that is what is wrong. The US team is set to start next season irrespective of the new rules. Prodrive will bail out again as will several of these so called interested parties.
How did that happen?
are we including the teams that have parts (and podcasts) supplied by those teams as well?
hehe!
Does this mean that none of them will be entering by the 29th?
I started gambling on the race. I forsee myself losing money, I have never gambled in my life.
If they see the future value of their investent crumbling beofre their eyes it is best to recover what they can as quickly as they can. Global recession coupled with F1 politics must have SELL in big red letters popping up on their screens.
I doubt that they have made anything.
Agreed. Introducing the franchise system in th first place was wrong and clearly failed at what it was designed to do. Max was never great at strategic thinking.
So you're telling me that Bernie might actually be the big winner of all this? Yet I'm not all that surprised...
So long as FOTA remain united I would hope so
Ehat did you bet?
What did you bet. grrrrrrr Keyboard grrrrrrrr
I went with what I want to happen so I've got money on Rubens for pole and win, Heikki for top 8 finish and 14 or 15 cars to finish the race.
Just a quick question...
Why was the last lower class race team to move into F1 and be successful?
Jordan? Stewart?
I am sure he will buy back the rights and in a couple of years sell whatever he owns again.
Depends on what you mean by successful. If you mean challenging for the championship, Jordan. If you mean winning at least 1 GP, Stewart. But the last real successful team was Toleman, which became Benetton, which is now Renault.
Do you think betting what you want to happen rather than what is likely to happen is the best tactic?
Stewart
James Allen twitter is still not updated but there is a blog entry
I just hate it that so many people think Ferrari are doing what they're doing because they're whinging and they're sore losers. When it's really a lot more complicated - and a lot more essential to F1's future - than that.
No. but the odds on Jenson are rubbish. I'm all about profit.
The team bosses are meeting under the umbrella of FOTA, (Formula One Teams Association) on Friday, which is a rest day in Monaco.
From fakeMax
Strangely, we agree with red's assessment of the new teams which boils down to one word - rubbish. Dreadful list of chav names.
I'd go with Jordan.
1 win doesn't make you a success - it makes you lucky. Consistant wins make you a success.
But were Toleman successful as Toleman? Not in the slightest.
I gues you don't need your bet to come up as often to make money.
Pnly in F2
Only
Jordan only won 4 times - and only 2 came in the same season. I wouldn't count that as consistent...
Jenson pays $2.90 for a win, Rubens pays $10. Jenson $3 for pole, Rubens $8.
keyboard issues or is it the rage of the court decision?
So - where's everyone gone?
Is Max's lunch with the drivers pushing through on Friday? Will their teams even allow them to attend?
pondering putting money on Sutil to win the world champ. Payout is $1501 ;)
My Italian friend says you have to respond with "Crepi Al' Lupo" - The Wolf has died...
See ya later...
to A1gp - where it's still about racing ;)
I went to leave a comment of JA's blog. oh and to do some work.
True - Jordan were very unlucky in 1999 - If Hill had a better year they could have got the constructors title.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75444
That's great, Max, just rub it in.
LDM will reply in due course now, I'm sure.
Since my laptop gave up again and I switched back to my desktop I have discovered that I can't type no more.
Yeah I knew that bit! except for the middle word ;) I thought the translation was "may the wolf die" - because that's why it's a good luck thing - because of the struggle. if the wolf is dead, i think it would be a walk in the park...until a giant antelope eats you....
Good odds
It is very obvious Max is attempting to break FOTA's power. The only way for FOTA to respond is for the bigger teams to withdraw from 2010 but allow the independent teams (Brawn, Williams and FIF1 to enter). This will devalue F1's potential earnings so it becomes a fight between Bernie and Max - FOTA has to force a wedge between these two and Bernie likes money and Max likes Power. Following his divorce Bernie's pockets are a little lighter so it will hurt him to lose still more revenues.
But wouldn't FOTA be stronger if everyone left Max's F1 to form the new breakaway? A breakaway alone would already cause a rift between Bernie and Max.
"No competitor should place their own interests above those of the sport"
This from Max who gave Ferrari a better deal than every other team including giving them a veto on anything they didn't like. This from max who put his own need for power over the interests of the sport when their was a potential split in the FIA as a result of the vote of confidence.
EXACTLY.
Obviously, but if it goes wrong for the little independent team they will fold. If FOTA does go ahead with a break away (which must now be in consideration) it could eventually sink Max. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely - with Max it has now reached an absolute and there needs to be a coup d'état
I need to get out more - my first thought as I read that was
Power corrupts. Absolute power...
...Is even more fun!
:P
Here's a nice tweet - it could get VERY interesting if this happens:
"On Tuesday, Mosley said he believed that submitting the injunction was a sign Ferrari do not want to go through with their threat to quit the sport."- From BBC sport
Of course they do not want to quit F1!!!! They just hate you dumb new rules. with out siad rules they would want to stay!!
I knew it he'd say that... That's what first came through my head. But such statements are just pushing Ferrari away to a breakaway.
Evening all! Work sucks... :(
Max winning and rubbing it in sucks more... :(
I wish I could rub my fist in Max's face.
Agreed
agreed
Sounds good to me. Unfortunately the EU won't be able to do anything this year in all likelyhood.
I think that sums it up nicely. They don'twant to quit F1. They want Max to quit F1
Hi John
But Max doesn't want to quit. He's the sport version of Robert Mugabe.
Hehe. know the feeling. Fortunately you're in time for a great discussion about how Max and Bernie have ruined our beloved sport.
hehehe
Too bad there's no way An Aside With Joe can be a live show. :( This week's edition will be legendary, I'm sure.
lol. What does that make Bernie?
Howdy, Steven!
Fortunately he can't void the election result when people finally vote him out.
Who says it can't be live? Who says they could not take skype calls live?
Journeyer
You are to blame for a new show.
IF they vote him out. And he's always managed to ensure it doesn't happen.
My sig on another forum used to be "Max Mosley, the man with the voting system that Robert Mugabe would be jealous of."
Just think how much happier the average motorsport fan would be worldwide if someone put him out of our misery.
Max that is - not Mugabe...
Mugabe's wealthy donor...
The full quote is
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
Lord Acton
I actually think FOTA hold the trump card. The value of Formula One is that you are competing with the best of the best. For a team like Williams or Force India if they are not competing with Ferrari, McLaren etc how can they use it commercially - there is now no point of reference to promote your expertise and technology. If I were to advise FOTA it would be to get all teams on board to either not submit or to withdraw their submission for 2010. Make a public statement to this effect and wish Max all the best in 2010 with his new teams consisting of Lola, USF1, Wirth Research, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos Racing, iSport and Litespeed. Pro-drive will have pulled out - they are already making the right noises for a pull out. The amount of revenue lost will simply be staggering - almost for sure TV Channels will be cancelling broadcast rights. It would be an instant devaluation (in fact monetary collapse).
Erm - I think Mr C mentioned something about technical setup making it difficult to be a live show
It's not a new show! It'll just be taking it live - if ever... :D
I have to admit that thought crossed my mind - but I don't even want to ponder it...
I do.
See, Steven? Told ya so. :P
It's only a skype conference call. A good numbers guy should be able to sort that.
Just like Max. Ruining our fun because you have absolute power.
For that to happen, they have to able to setup an effective breakaway series. When I mean effective, I mean having all the current commercial muscle of F1. Without it, Max may just laugh them off.
Everyone is welcome to submit questions for us to pass along.
I agree with Journeyer.
Also, for the smaller private teams, like Williams, Brawn, and FIF1, racing is what their company is all about. Not racing in 2010 is like stopping your company for a year and hoping to start over again. Not very likely.
Have you received many questions for this week?
But they leave Max and rather more importantly Bernie empty handed. Actually FOTA have a feasibility plan for a break-away. They really only need to sell their commercial interests to Rupert Murdoch to get the ball rolling.
Not yet.
It looks like the Ares parachute test was a success.
Ares is the space shuttle replacement which is due to have a test flight in a month or two. They chucked a weight with the chutes out the back of a C17 over Yuma a few minutes ago and it all deployed perfectly.
I worry when NASA gets too many things right
That is surprising this week.
Nice and scientific.
Equilivent of an action man and a bin bag... ;)
we went to bed at 5am and 6am respectively last race weekend. not in a million years are we going add more complication.
But your company is only worth something when measured against the competition. Williams has the F2 contract and the smaller teams could provide consultancy to the new teams. Yes it would mean sitting out 2010, but they have lost all control of the industry and rules of participation in that industry. There needs to be a complete revolt for F1 to survive. Max has made these decisions - he can also un-make them. I keep saying this has worked to FOTA's advantage they just need to be brave enough to stand up to Max.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like there's the motivation to start a break away series this year, so it might be a bit difficult to gather any support for that among the teams.
Also, in an economic environment where companies are looking for conservative investments, I don't see anyone willing to dish out that kind of money for a brand new racing series. Even with the big names involved.
i wasn't thinking as far as taking skype calls live. i was thinking something along the lines of live audio streaming the call with joe. no need for video, no need for call-ins. just hearing it in progress and allowing us to follow along in the comments would make me very happy. you don't even need to give us too much notice - most of us will be around anyway...
I was just thinking that!
That used to work too
More complication is good.
Have you double checked your ball befpre the race weekend starts?
that is the complicated (and expensive bit).
*snigger* :D
oh darn. :(
All that will happen is that everything tat currently xists will split form the FIA. In reality as far as business or the public is concerned nothing will have changed it will just be a bit of politics.
Not in this case. If we screw up a show with me and him, it makes no difference. Every word Joe says is valuable and there is no way we're risking technical difficulties on it.
We've had enough problems as it is (damn China).
To be honest it does not actually need a break away - what is needed is threat to walk away by all FOTA teams. It is strategy and FOTA has to call Max's bluff. If all the teams held the ground they will get back controlling interests, if they don't they will have lost controlling interest for ever and be at the mercy of a power-intoxicated, philandering madman.
ooh, i need a spare...
Good luck explaining that in the boardroom... To the uninformed eye, it will still be like organizing a brand-new breakaway series...
Do you think sidepodcast is powerful enough to challeng China like that. They have guns and stuff.
FYI, it did make me laugh, and I wouldn't have minded being woken up for that.
Poor Leo.
*I'm now in hysterics...*
I'm such a child. :D
:D
i've not tired of watching it since.
So long as it is an FIA championship with the FIA making the rules we will have the same problem. These problems are pre-Max and pre-Balestre. We have had similar problems since before the FIA was th FIA.
Someone had the keyboard cat video up in minutes after the thing went out live
So if they made their own series and left the FIA in the cold, how will it make things any different? It seems to be more of an issue of human nature and corrupting power...
Yes but the teams hold the key to the value of the currency. Max is trying to disenfranchise them. It is time to stand up to Max and the FIA.
And if Max calls their bluff in return? They have to be ready with something feasible in case Max decides he can live without them...
If they set up their own championship they can put a set of procedures in place about how it is governed. Now they are working based on a set of procedures developed by a bunch of blazers in Paris who are utterly dependant on Max to keep their snouts in the gravy train.
But weren't the rules different in Balestre's time?
Yes and greed too. If Max's gets away with this the next step is to pay the teams less revenue and it goes on and on. The Battle field has been selected the troops line up and F1 will again be as much a political as a sport interest.
i just saw this yesterday at the end of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Simple things amuse simple minds. Like me!
Actually Max has more to lose but he has had nerves cast of high-tension stainless steel. The teams will lose at most a year (2010). Max has lost the series, the glamour - actually everything.
They were still written by a bunch of people with no financial stake in the business. You need the people who are risking their own money to write the rules or better still to control who writes the rules. You need the team principals to be the board of directors and to appoint people into position and have the right to vote them out.
Many of those manufacturers can't afford to lose a year - they may decide not to come back at all. I don't think many of them will be willing to go that far without a proper breakaway...
and to go with all the talk of new teams for 2010, here's a possible new driver
With Max, will the series loose it's glamor as well? Sports lose a lot of their fanbase with political shenanigans (eg baseball and hockey shut outs). If the major F1 teams were to take a year hiatus, who would be there to welcome them back? Would the series still maintain it's original prestige?
Isn't that how the soccer leagues in Europe are governed?
Awwww... and here I thought it was gonna be an article about Hulkamania. ;)
There would not be a year off. That just can't happen
I know I'm not having a totally focused day, but what do you mean?
More or less
The name Ferrari will easily survive a year's hiatus. Actually having a year off might suit the manufacturers as they grapple with the current economic situation. It means they will have only the cost of development and not participation. In reality FOTA can force Max to back off but they to be really serious - they still hold the trump card.
Would agree - that'll just be too much for everyone.
he can replace alonso
Gavin:
The name of the NZ Stamp Collection is "NZ CHAMPIONS OF MOTORSPORT". So to qualify, you have to be a KIWI and be a CHAMPION.
Truth Table:
Amon a KIWI? ==> 1. AMON a Champion ==> 0.
Boolan Algebra 1 * 0 = 0.
Amon should not have a stamp in that collection.
I can not help if the NZ government has to scrap the bottom of the barrell of various categories of Motorsport to find five champions from New Zealand. But if 5 stamps have to be filled and and its five minutes before quitting time on a Friday afternoon, if one's a Karting Champion I guess a cart has a motor so it quailifes....
Gavin. I never called Amon a bad driver. But when you are famous for not winning championships or races due to being the unluckliest driver F1 has ever seen, surely that is being famous for all the wrong reasons.....
PK, Jr. is just useless. You can not become famous in F1 for that. It is just too common....
Don't know if this video has been linked too before or not.
Whitmarsh talks to the McLaren guys at the post Barcelona debrief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1AZkJ9iGD0
The drivers are siding with FOTA. That's good to hear. :D
"For me, it is strange that no one sat down and thought how we are damaging the sport, how much damage the sport has had in the last two months. To have those three or four new teams and losing seven of the big manufacturers I cannot understand - and not losing only seven manufacturers but losing the 10 best drivers in the world. It becomes no more interesting, F1." Beautiful peace of propanda here!
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/drivers/hulkenberg.shtml
Sorry, I was talking about Nico Hulkenberg while making a reference to an old American professional wrestler. Sorry!
Actually no you will see Wirth Research, Lola, USF1, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos and iSport competing with Lite Speed at the back.
beat that mosely!
But would any fan, whether a casual one or a dedicated one, actually watch that?
he'll probably say something to the effect that f1 survived losing senna and schumacher - and it'll survive losing alonso...
gp2 must have a couple of fans? so yes.
I like that he says '10 best' from 7 teams. So 4 drivers are pants. One is obviously Piquet...
:D
:D
I think that is very well phrased!
I knew hulk mania - i lived that too! Hulkenberg on the other hand, no idea :) Clever joke now I know :)
Can those going to Silverstone this year create some HUGE "Max Out" banners?
in reference to last week (or earlier) when we were talking about how much of the driver quotes are actually written by the drivers, i think this might be one :)
Well...back after maths exam....
Best.Exam.Ever
:D
:)
I'd love to do it at Suzuka. May not have the same impact, but at least it'll look a bit more international. ;)
Great!
absolutely! I've had a love-hate relationship with Alonso - love (2003-2005), hate (2006-2007), and back to love (2008-now). He's awesome. :D
That's good
Seabass, Kovy and possibly Buemi as he has not got much F1 experience! Makes sense to me. What I am not sure I like is that he has rather dumped Nico from the top-tier.
Afternoon everyone...
...more f1 politics today whooop!
me too, i hated him when he was beating Kimi in 05 and hadn't forgiven him in 06, loved him when we was at McLaren, then hated him a wee bit for the whole blackmail thing, now I like him again :D
McLaren aren't one of the 7 teams though.
McLaren Automotive press release
http://www.mclaren.com/latestnews/press-releases.php?article=300
http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/05/20/ferrari-ridicule-new-f1-teams/
What do you think of the entry - and the comments of others?
yeah i think I'm similar on the love hate thing - it depends on which team a driver is in, and if you like one driver in the sport, then you have to dislike his nemesis, and then you have to like the enemy of the enemy and so it goes on...
maybe he wasn't counting that team?
I think the comment about how Ferrari should remember they were a small team themselves once is spot on
They're not anymore, are they? ;)
I am not sure who the teams are, we know Williams and Force India will sign the budget caps so it leaves it to either Macca or Brawn - so I took it he meant Macca as he said the best 10 drivers (Hamilton has to be on that list).
ooo~, just fell asleep at the computer. Night all.
Good night. :)
A person I met worked for Macca during the Alonso year and was highly complementary about the guy and actually says that there are still many people at the factory that have fond memories of him. He was apparently very courteous to everyone. She reported Lewis had very special treatment right from the beginning in terms of meetings and greetings and all the fun stuff and actually was not really around much or interacted much with the workers.
I'm not convinced about any of the teams signing or not signing. I think it will depend on who flinches first. Those two teams may not want to be a part of a competition that takes place without some of the other teams. Ferrari fans are passionate - and you want them inside the fence.
I might head up Lygon street tomorrow and see how they're coping!
YAY! Another one caught! :D
Night.
That's the sort of PR you can't manufacturer at a desk :) I remember reading years ago that the best thing an American Football quarterback can do when he arrives at a team is bond with the offensive line (the guys who protect him). I think the same would be for any team - mutual respect goes along way in team sports.
Hehe. gNight.
I'm sure the news tonight will be very interesting to watch. Might not be as much UEFA action as they were scheduling.
It will not say much for Williams if you are able to beat Wirth Research, Lola, USF1, Epsilon Euskadi, RML, Formtech, Campos and iSport. Vijay Mallya wants prestige and again there is not much in beating the above mentioned. FOTA can devalue F1 to a point where it has so little value. Honestly A1GP will have more appeal tan the above mentioned teams battling out as the cars have a genuine F1 DNA and are built by Ferrari.
I thought Lewis spent the bulk of the winter after his announcement working in the factory doing a range of different jobs to see how the cars were made. That was the official line anyway.
It is alays the same in these situations. What the public sees and what the insiders see is so different.
It's going to be along 17hours and 12 minutes and the track opens tomorrow..
He may have been around he just simply was not seen by people much, in contrast Alonso interacting more with the everyday people. - It was only what she reported and that Fernando was very polite with a higher visibility. She told me a few things about Lewis which should not really be mentioned but equally were not derogatory more observational. I will illustrate she mentioned that Alonso would naturally stand aside to let other people into the lift first, would hold the lift doors open for the cleaning staff - OK get my drift!
I think this says it all in any workplace. The people that talk to the maintenance guys and the people who don't. I am proud to say I'm in the first category :) Three cheers for Alonso!
Hip Hip Hooray! :D
It is also cultural - she was South Africa and we are naturally more old fashioned in terms of manners - Fernando had more of the manners she was familiar with. To the average South African Lewis comes over as basically rude (more so than he actually is) - its a culture thing.
hey
hello! good afternoon/evening/morning depending on where you are!
hey why is the practice sessons on a thursday
I answered your question on the other thread, Chris.
Right - early to bed for me, there's a quiz later! :D
Jordan,
Quite a response! Does winning Le Mans not count as being a champion? True, he wasn't the best F1 driver from NZ even but he still went to Europe as an unknown with no money and had a good career.
I agree with you that they got the wrong 5 drivers though which kinda sucks. I could think of a few people more deserving of a stamp for this collection, but NZ post probably did all of this on purpose just to cause some controversy...
Thanks
ciao. if i'm still here when the quiz is on, please tell me to take a break from the computer :) good night"
Personally, I care little which names are printed above the garages. What matters to me is that the racing is interesting.
Ah a culture thing. Now I understand...
so why watch f1 then? surely touring cars or maybe motogp would be more interesting?
the drivers and the teams are the primary interest.
from a racing point of view, f1 is near the bottom, really good racing is to had elsewhere. personally i stick with f1 because of the community it has. SPC for example
I'm sorry but: Screw Ferrari! After reading their press release, they're acting like the proverbial kid throwing his toy from a pram. It's also unbelievably shameful and unsporting of Ferrari to mock those who wish to compete with them. I'm kinda disgusted by that.
I for one wouldn't lose any sleep over them going off in a huff and starting their own Ferrari-based championship or whatever they would do post-F1. I'd much rather see a new team like Lola on the grid than a bunch of whinging, dictating, idiots.
For once I agree with Max. What other choice did he have? Either let Ferrari walk all over the FIA and dictate their own rules, or stand firm and put Ferrari in their place. I just hope the budget cap sticks. I can't wait to see everyone operating on the same money. It'll level the playing field and reward the innovators in the sport.
Rant over :D
Erm, I think you're missing the point. As things stand, the FIA are walking all over FOTA and dictating their own rules. Ferrari and FOTA are standing firm and trying to put Ferrari in their place.
Because, to paraphrase Max, F1 should be about action and not a giant chess match...
Corrected quote.
Lets take Nick Wirth, he with Max co-funded Simtek and they competed in F1 for about one and a half seasons they retired more often than they finished and the highest place they got was ninth - this was a time when it was a lot less competitive now. There were races when neither car completed one lap because they broke down! You want a championship based on such entries. I a bit sceptical of the Cosworth engine deal as it was not hugely reliable. Modern F1 cars are amazingly reliable so it is now more difficult to score points with uncompetitive machinery.
have you seen who some of those teams are though? we would have a bigger budget than some of them using only the change down the back of our sofa.
aren't lola renowned for moaning? a lot.
he coulda left things as they are?
max said that!? he's teh cause of the chess match half the time
And being 14 seconds off the pase...
agreed.
what's this - me and Mr C on the same side?! Goodness - F1 must really be in trouble. ;)
:D
seriously, I was shocked to see people jumping down Ferraris throat for their press release, because I agree with them. I have no interest to see all of those teams racing. I don't mind one or two new slow backmarker teams, but a whole bunch all at once? No thankyou. It's totally not what F1 is or should be.
that too.
Yes they do have a reputation, but they did not produce a bad car in the initial A1GP series but I think F1 is beyond their capacity to produce competitive machinery.
Ah but A1GP was a one make series, so it dosen't matter how good or bad the cars are, because they're all the same!
EXACTLY. I was stunned to see the negative reaction to the statement, to be honest - I agreed with Ferrari! I was thinking maybe it's because I'm a Ferrari fan at heart. But for a McLaren fan like you to be saying that, it makes me feel better.
I think the Ferrari statement could have been better phrased - but I do share the same sentiments - those teams are a joke. Not all - I think USF1 is wanting to take it seriously.
its probably time i went to bed for real, I keep thinking its Friday tomorrow but it isn't, so I have one extra day of 6.45am alarm to get through before my eagerly awaited noon sleep in on Saturday :(
and to be absolutely honest the Ferrari A1GP car is way way better (and I think more reliable) car.
Peter Windsor must be spewing, at the start of the year it was 'wow a new team!' and now its just a name on a very long list.
hehe. too true. and he might not even be the only US entry...
but i do believe it was based on the 2004 F1 car, so you'd kinda expect it to be
I cannot think he is very happy about being one of a long list - he wants to showcase American sourced technology.
He apparently said the opposite - that F1 should be like a giant chess match :(
Yes which is why it is more interesting than it used to be!
slow and quite boring unless you're in it?
Yes and he is the chess piece that needs to be removed first!
and joining a Ferrari-less F1 is probably not what he bargained for...
If the new teams do join the grid, i wonder if they will be asked to join FOTA, and after all the spaghetti throwing... would a team like USF1 want to?
But isn't he like the king so hardest to get rid of?
Hi all.
That is why you have strategy and why you try and get rid of the opposition's King FIRST!
Max, you have done much to make Formula 1 safer, and that will be the best thing you've done for this sport. But, like the man you deposed, Mr. Balestre, you've gone too far. The emphasis of strategy over racing and self-interest over the greater good is slowly but surely inflicting a fatal wound on this sport.
For the sake of the sport and its fans, please go, before it's too late.
Explains where I've gone wrong all these years.
They will be asked, if it still exists, but to be honest all it takes is Max to back down on the budget cut for 2010 and spaghetti throwing ends.
Kings can move 1 square at a time....so who's the queen?
Best to get rid of King and Queen followed by the rooks as they do the most damage. I always played very defensibly which made it tedious so I gave up playing.
I think Sidepodcast shound send this through to the FIA as an official petition.
Ferrari have issued a statement. Basically, it says that if nothing can be agreed, Ferrari will really leave F1 at the end of the season.
Curiously, at the end, they say: "In this situation, Ferrari will continue to compete in races of a calibre worthy of the marque, matching its level of innovation and technological research."
Make of that what you will.
And that's my parting shot for now. See ya later. ;)
I know where it'll end up: Max's trash bin.
Night Journeyer
I attack. I've lost most games.
night
I think pwople including me are more annoyed about the way it was phrased rather than the content. You can say that the new teams are not of the same standard as the teams that are leaving without it sounding arrogant. FOTA and its members need everyone onside now. Picking on smaller teams may alienate some members and som potential new members.
I defended so most games ended without a winner!
See you in half an hour then
FOTA need all the teams on the one side. I imagine USF1 have already been contacted in this regard.
The queen is all powerful. So Bernie
But honestly Simtek and Lola were F1 embarrassments and it is best to be honest. Have a look at
http://www.f1rejects.com/
I see Lee McKenzie replied to Gvin after he slagged her off on here last night. The reply only took 9 minutes
I can see him as the Queen Bee
I agree with them but teams like Williams, Stewart, Jordan, etc could not get in under the existing system. Most teams would not have made it under the system that required them to stump up a huge amount of money. There needs to be an open door to anyone who can meet the rules. If they are rubbish they will not last long.
Ferrari issued reaction to the court ruling
nice one.
Looks like the whole thing was pointless, and Ferrari and the FIA will surely be taken to court for anti competitive behaviour now the veto contract has been shown to a court
Speaking at Monaco today, Raikkonen said he would prefer to race for Ferrari in a different championship than for another team in F1.
"I am pretty sure that we are not going to disappear from F1," he said. "But I don't know, but I cannot be 100 per cent sure. I will still have a contract with them and they are racing in many different categories, so I think they will find something for me.
LOL, there are times I ask myself that same question. To be fair, the last couple of years have provided good racing - during the Schumacher era, the interest was on the wane.
Oh, and to clarify the point, I DO follow other forms of motor sport - touring cars etc. Motorbikes have never bitten me though.
Perhaps, given the crossroads F1 finds itself at now - 'So why do we watch F1' is a question we should all ask ourselves?
Agreeing with their sentiments is one thing, but the wording of Ferrari's statement is outrageous. To be so openly critical of people trying to come into the sport is just not on.
Back in the early 90's Ferrari were a joke, before they hired Told, Schumacher, Brawn, Byrne etc.
I am heading out into the big bad world. Back after the quiz.
Remember to post questions for Joe. I am sure you will all have lots about the current situation. It's not often we get direct access to a journalist on the inside so lets keep him interested with good questions.
There are reasons why those projects failed back then.
In Lola's case, their sponsor force them to rush an entry a year ahead of the original plan - and then didn't pay up. The company is under new management now - and they are a serious motorsport company, with an excellent reputation, and all of the infrastructure and skills needed to get an F1 project off the ground.
le Mans then.
evening ladies and gents, exam went very very well :)
Sums up what we are all thinking, and the fact that when the teams go we are going to lose the drivers as well.
McLaren/Mercedes really need to come out and say they are with the other manufacturers. If they pull out from the sport, its not like the FIA can impose the 3 race ban on them.
I thought they had said that they agreed with the other manufacturers, but had lodged an entry anyway.
i won't ask how you are today then ;)
true. but i don't think they need to. ferrari are saying everything that needs to be said (and maybe more).
my sanity is one lovely piece tonight :D
Then they really need to decide what they are going to do. In my opinion, to get Max to back down it is going to take all the teams to do that. If some waver then we will have a situation where the Max and Bernie will work on that team get them to stay and destroy the threat the other teams have of starting another series.
The problem is Ferrari are starting to say so much, its more like a kid in a pram than any sort of strategic argument to help the teams agenda.
bernie needs ferrari.
well done lukeh mate ;)
right now though, if i were them i'd pick up my ball and go home.
why put up with the kind of rubbish max/fia are throwing at them? why not play somewhere else where the swingset is nicer and the people are welcoming?
Evening everyone. Glad it went well! I finished my project today, will hand in tomorrow. Am celebrating with channel 301 classic Monaco GPs.
1996 right now
Evening everyone :)
First thought: COOOL
Second thought: So much has changed, yet so much is the same.
Its the only park in town at the moment, they will have to get their friends to help them build a new one, but it inst that easy as the new park will have to compete with the old one, which people already know about and have been using for years.
:D:P
Aww, have nothing to moan at you tonight.
All that analogy does is remind of the swing and tree pictures used to represent user requirments in systems analysis. I think I've been doing this course too long now...
Independents winning, Ferrari looking after the midfield...
just looking at this paddock shot:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/paddock-jpg
not for the first time this year i have to ask... how will three more teams fit in there?
also, presumably mclaren and ferrari are at opposite ends because that's the only way to fit them in. rather than because max has had a big sulk again?
:)
nick's right though. but i say look at ferrari theme world. they know how to build the biggest and best parks in the world.
Let them have, wait for it, waterhomes. See, chuck all the races next to a sea/river/lake and space problem has been fixed
I wasn't doubting that, it is a good analogy :P
For those not familar with the tree/swing development: http://blog.thingsdesigner.com/uploads/id/tree_swing_development_requirements.jpg
It's actually 5.
I haven't announced my team yet!
I think they should build the new park though... we would get twice as many races :P
But I think i like the politics far too much...
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Have Ferrari seen the ACO rule book?
They don't like the '2 tier' F1 - they migh have a fit if they read the Le Mans regs.
One set of rules for Desiels
One set of rules for Petrol engines
One set of rules for Coupes
One set of rules for Open top cars
LMP1... LMP2....GT1... etc, etc
After Pat brought it up on twitter, watching the 96 Monaco extended highlights on the BBC red button. Something strangely comforting about Murray walking talking about the armco :)
Renault have been up at Kemble again, if anyone didn't know.
he's just talking, not walking. Thats jakes job.
:D
The report on Autosport says that Nick Wirth, Epsilon Euskadi, Ray Mallock, Campos and Formtech. Unless my maths is slipping, I count 5 there.
Quick question, is anyone checking the teams are only doing straight line testing or do the FIA trust them enough?
Erm...pass?
I only know they've been up there because BBC Look East have it as one of their main stories. It's not been on yet, though.
Watching it on the webcam just isn't the same as bunking off from work and standing in the cold all day with your camera is it? ;)
I suspect they have to film it all and send the footage to the FIA
LeMans (proper) I believe, is just a race. So the argument of winning LeMans is just as silly as calling Button a Champion for his maiden win at Hungaroring. Over a series of races, a Champion is determined usually by the person with the highest points total at the end of the season. Just because you won at Indy does not make you the IRL champion.
There is just too much chance involved in a single race to make the agrument that the winner of a race is a champion, As much as I would like to get into Christine's good books for suggesting that Franck Montagny is a LeMans Champion...
Well, the NZ post Office screwed themselves with the wording of the stamp collection. Saying "Legends of NZ Motorsport" would have safely earned Amon, HUlme, and McLaren stamps, Dixon looks like a safe bet and now we are hunting for one last driver. Would it be stretching Motorsport to include that female sport Pilot that I think Auckland Airport is named after == Jean Somebody....?" :p
I guess you could use that as your excuse. You got a cold because of it, but obviously don't tell them where you were when you got it ;)
As always, Alia teaches me something new everyday {Comment #392}
:blushes: I try to learn something new every day. It makes sense to share it with you because you are my friends :)
Ah ha! Printer ink prices explained at last
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/what-the-duck-printer-ink-jpg
it's the logical place for them. Running a LMP1 Prototype car.
Would be great to see them against Peugoat, Audi, Aston Martin, Creation, Pescarolo...
How accurate is that!
normally yes, but it depends on the court system - i think they’ll probably need a fresh argument. {Comment #463}
I'll give them a fresh argument - the FIA breached Appendix 5 of the Sporting Regulations by not consulting the TWG and SWG! Whether this is needed depends on which of the three interpretations I've seen for why Ferrari lost is true.
eh? i was looking earlier and couldn't see nothing?
Looks like the FIA may get to have things the way they want. They will have teams all on a 40 million pound budget and should Mercedes leave get there wish of having a standard engine supplier in the form of Cosworth. {Comment #465}
Unlikely. Mercedes have said they're staying and I don't think it's even possible for McLaren to sign up to the budget cap this year. Could be a bit lonely up there, but it will pay off if the cap remains as is because they will be champions by default.
Now there's a recipe for irritating Max (who hopefully will be happily retired and reading a good book on the beach somewhere exotic by then - i.e. not in a position to exact revenge).
Damn I missed the report. But Renault have most definately been straight line testing somewhere today.
not kemble, that's for certain. unless they were testing a predator livery?
New livery?
I perked up a bit there.
Hmm, well it must be somewhere in the East of England. BBC Look East wouldn't have reported it otherwise.
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/05/20/daily-20th-may-2009/#comment-308244
that'll be it ;)
as in... all i could see was grass.
you're farrrrrrrr too good at finding things quickly kathi :P
Aha!
Erm...
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/129295
that's a funny pet name for kubica?
Now we've got birthday cakes on cars too?!
Since when did brown sticky tape suddenly become an aerodynamic help?
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/129286
He looks good for 50.
Erm, wasn't the rear wing the normal place for congratulations?
1. It is rare in Motor racing to have a championship based on a single race - due to the expense of competing, economies of scale make it better value to do a series of races.
But it does happen. Karting World championships take place over a single event.
So, I think there is a case to be made for Le Mans - and the Indy 500 too.
You could say the same about events such as the Formula BMW World Final.
If F1 can be made cheep enough, then some teams (such as Ferrari and Toyota for example), may have the spare cash and facilities to run a sportscar program in addition to their F1 program.
I expect that LDM visited Le Mans in the early 70's, but has he been back since? I suspect that he will get the shock of his life when he witnesses Le Mans first hand, and sees just how big the even is these days.
11 years or so ago, Audi's motorsport boss was a guest at the race, and when he got home, he went straight to the board, and told them "we MUST do this race!" I can see the same happening with Ferrari.
But there is a stumbling block. I cannot see Ferrari wanting to build a diesel powered car. If Peugeot wins this year, then perhaps we may see the ACO peg the diesel back some more, and make it more attractive for Ferrari?
oooh, i like your thinking.
i mean, assuming franck got a drive for ferrari... or... something.
I got a response from LeeMcK!
[email protected] This is my 6th time at Monaco GP,come here a few times a year tho so I know it pretty well.Cars run thurs and Fri is free day!
The world really is ending!!!
Did I miss whoever dropped these footie pics?
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/f1-2009-mon-xp-0012-jpg
He breaks my heart, he really does.
Still bragging then
Because he plays like a .... girl?
[Apologies, if it's any consolation, so do I]
He seems to have missed it.
Has the man never heard of contact lenses? Seriously?
No way - not until I've driven the sport so far into the ground that we will have to host an underground Grand Prix somewhere - Bernie assures me that Tilke has a layout already and a projected base of 100,000 moles...er spectators... :)
I dread to think how he was treated at school.
you still (heart) him ;)
Or have Edgar Davids style glasses (waits for first person to have heard of him)
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/129249
I'm saying nothing, nothing ;) haha
It was his fault, it was the tyres, trainers I mean. And the teachers, the pencils and the tree outside the classroom
I didn't slag her off as such - just had a whinge. Lee, you obviously read Sidepodcast, so just let me tell you I think you're lovely and you have made my day ;)
Hehehe.
The french dude with the coloured specs?
No, no, no. But... perhaps I take back the bit where I said he was dead to me.
One can imagine...
Fisi-chella! Like Jones on Gazza. Maybe not so bad
Don't worry, I know who he is ;)
Dutch, but apart from that, yeah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rebFLh1Qt9A
Does the singer not sing "Bourdais, Bourdais..."? Gareth Jones on Speed think so...
Charge the mobile and tweet updates.
haha, i was listening to that today too
I like her too, just not her tweets
Crazy, crazy man.
.. and yes I would probably do the same.
Pffft. You're just saying that coz Mario Andretti never won it. AFAIK winning Le Mans makes you a champion - why do you think so many people want to enter and win it?
Now you're pushing it! Just remember NZ has had one world Champion and the USA has had two and we are much smaller and less resourced than your lot, so that's not half bad mate!
There have been many successes in Motorsport and you could easily fill TEN stamps with NZ Motorsports Legends. Considering none of them had the access to car manufacturers or big sponsors AND lived on the other side of the planet, that isn't bad going!
OK will do - if Twitter works on it! (Might send you a text or two ;) )
At least they allow innovation and new ideas... what a concept!
that would work too.
Is the quiz at 8:30?
Has anybody plugged PF's excellent round up of the Bulls... er... new entrants?
http://www.pitlanefanatic.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1006
Yep
just reading adam coopers latest piece. something i didn't know about the end of the spanish gp:
"Massa was then told to park after crossing the line to ensure that he had some fuel in the tank for the mandatory FIA sample."
a) i thought we decided the sample wasn't mandatory?
b) that's rather smart.
Anyone else think the Monte Carlo Rally IRC/WRC spat was really intended as a dry run?
a) EJ said it was - but you are forgiven for missing it as I usually just ignore what he says
b) Very. Must have been Rob's idea...
what happened?
don't/can't watch the bbc tv coverage any more. i just can't.
mr c, I hate to be a nuisance but could you answer me an insy tinsy little c++ question that im a little unsure about? it's only just recognising what something is and I dont udnerstand what it means...
shoot.
some girl, has published some podcast:
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/05/20/f1-digest-2009-monaco-preview/
lecturer told me to put this at the start of that enqueue/dequeue program today to help me out but didnt actually explain it
typedef struct list node;
void enqueue(node**,node**);
void dequeue(node**,node**);
void display(node*);
now I know the enqueue/dequeue/display void thingies all direct to their parts of the code (it's horrible terminology, apologies) and I already have a struct list, but what's with the node** bits in brackets, as well as the typedef?
Hopefully that makes sense...
we calling her 'some girl' now, to carry on from woman and THAT woman?
A girl? On the internet?
it beats guru.
You remember how you're supposed to be doing this for fun...?
it was brilliant fun. once.
it does. gimmie two, cause it's been a looong time.
that sounded wrong reading it back.
it was brilliant fun to stay up all night, but we're not doing it again.
http://www.ktn.co.nz/about.html
Here are some more Kiwi champions, Jordan!
Says the man that regularly goes to sleep at 5am.
coolio, no rush. :)
but i don't normally get up again at 9:30am for FP3.
True.
FP1 is on at 8:55am. What sort of time is that? Do I wake up early or Stay up late?
Hey everyone.
Looks like it's been quiet since Ferrari released their statement. Thursday and Friday will be very interesting...
By the end of Friday the engineers will be wondering if they should attach turrets to their cars!
Annoyingly, the start times for FP2 are at the end of my lunch. Inconsiderate people.
just checking, is the above line supposed to read:
typedef struct listnode;
?
she typed it out with a space so im guessing not..?
I have a struct list already before this little section she told me to add, and that (struct list) defines various variables
Ta. :-)It worked for me at the museum - but TwitPic didn't.
The Monte Carlo Rally is the most prestigious rally in the world. It used to be big in length too, several days. Over the last 20 years it has been cut back, to the annoyance of the ACM. The FIA last year introduced a rule into the WRC which says we will alternate calendars. So in 2009 we will have 14 rallies, and in 2010 we will have 14 different ones, then start again. In the meantime a rival series called IRC started up, supported by Eurosport with mucho live coverage. So the ACM says no you don't, we're off to the IRC.
Gotcha.
I'd love to do the quiz, especially with no Steven, but I spent way too long watching old F1 earlier...
...And has better cars, and more than one guy wins! ;)
Blame Steven?
okay, understood. not sure how much you know / i know, here's hoping i don't insult your intelligence.
so, your typedef is renaming your struct list and giving it an alias of node.
and this allows node to be referenced in the three calls. agreed?
ooooooh looking through the code I've got I see how it works now, the node pops up in them. makes a LOT more sense now, just gotta add a efw things to make it all work
much appreciated!
yay :)
Wow. You're good!
Disappearing for food and practice exam papers, enjoy the quiz and I'll catch ya later.
But I thought they'd be back on the WRC in 2010? Don't they just alternate series, but still run every year?
Dunno, it's got really complicated. Bring back the days of just hooning round a paddock, I say! :D
more news re: massa fuel problems in spain:
"We had the fuel in the car but the car was reading wrong numbers... So maybe I saved fuel for nothing"
So it may have been a fuel readout problem? Very interesting...
D'oh
but he stopped on his in lap didn't he?
Couldnt they have measured the fuel left in the rig and compared it to the car readouts? Sounds strange
He stopped on purpose, apparently.
apparently he didn't run out of fuel, he was told to stop. see earlier comment:
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/05/20/daily-20th-may-2009/#comment-308748
Now that's Ferrari this year in a nutshell!
Button says he's boring now
oh...sorry i just got here, haven't had time to look at earlier comments yet/
Let rubens win then :P
aww poor button, someone needs to tell him that winning in monaco would make his fans very very happy and probably emotional in my case...
tis ok. it ws news to us too.
If it makes you feel better, Flavio thinks he and Brawn can cruise to the titles. :D
Please ignore that number. Pasted the wrong thing! In fact, can I get that altered to a link to the button story?
I read the autosport article of him saying that as a bit tongue in cheek, he's only messing about I think
don't get me started on dear old mr Flav.
Damn, I've just been a idiot and quoted it.
can someone tell me why Jenson is dressed like this? i mean... a plain white cap and a plain white top?
It's all the fashion these days
At least I hope it is.
Forbidden!
The page says... :D
I bet andy murray is walking about wondering where all his Brawn clothes have come from
hehehe
Seriously, can I get it removed? It's a rather "personal" number that I pasted in by mistake instead of the link to the Button. That's all I'll say. Would appreciate it very much.
:D
I'm sure Mr C is on it. :)
Let's hope so :)
that’s a funny pet name for kubica? {Comment #887}
I think they're trying to wish the Mini a happy 50th birthday and happen to have put Kubica on the picture holding the cake (since having a Mini holding the cake would have looked a bit strange...)
what've i done?
right! 1sec.
Scott is asking you to delete the number in one of his earlier posts.
Everyone order Scott a Pizza!
job done!
Much thanks. Appreciated very much. :)
still reading autosport. this time dieter rencken. something else that hadn't occurred to me:
"...as far as the Formula One Teams' Association (note emphasis) is concerned, Mercedes is a non-member, for the company is certainly no team, nor even majority shareholder (whether by voting stock or percentage) in McLaren, and as such has no rightful place within FOTA..."
"...thus, if Mercedes intends remaining in F1, it is as engine supplier to teams, and its presence or statements should not be taken as a sign that McLaren intends breaking ranks with FOTA. Or not."
Quiz is a humdinger this week!
how'd it go?
Still going!
Hasn't finished yet!
Oooh... If that isn't a veiled threat to Max, I don't know what is. :P
those are dieter's words though. but interesting ones nonetheless.
that's why it's a veiled threat. i mean, why would he say that, right?
i would assume he's just joined the dots that we hadn't. mercedes have spoken, but mclaren haven't. no?
it's not like mclaren can really speak after lie-gate...
Hahaha, I love the BBC. They've decided to start using the auto-refresh live text updates for the football...
...at the end of the season. :D
Better late than never? ;)
They had it at the beginning of the season, but the only time i saw it used, it crashed, i guess football gets higher page views than other sports and it overloads it? Uefa cup final with no British teams might be low enough
Ooh, fair enough. You think the BBC would be able to accomodate I suppose
Already one of the proposed teams to enter F1 has actually denied any intention.
The Barwa Addax GP2 team (Campos Racing) has denied it has any plans to compete in Formula 1 next season.
"The Barwa Addax team, currently competing in the GP2 series, has, at this moment, no intention to launch a project to compete in F1 in the 2010 season,"
"Barwa Addax wants to avoid any confusion that might lead into thinking that it's involved in any such project."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75458
Did Max say they were one of the potential entrants? I don't think so...
*closes borland c++*
and, with that one click, it finished.
phew.
Its pretty cheap publicity.
GP2t: No we are not entering F1.
MEDIA: Who are you?
GP2t: Ah, Im glad you asked, We are....
You have saved it?
They were one of the teams linked to entry into the F1 arena. Some of the teams are connected to Max or Bernie - it really is a political leverage and FOTA should call the FIA bluff.
noooooooooooo... i mean, yes.
;)
Phew, quiz is done!
Gotta love the bit where they have to mention Campos Racing in parentheses. :D
:D
Well Done, i have no idea what you were doing, but it sounded impressive
But I don't think they were mentioned in the entry list provided by AUTOSPORT this morning. So even if they don't enter, it doesn't really make any difference.
:)
Once had a friend who did a coursework in one go and then some kind friend turned his computer off. He was gutted.
Kind friend was not me.
I have no idea what I was doing either so we're all good
:D
ouch, i remember having to redo all of my 20page geography coursework in just 3 days last year when my laptop suddenly crashed and actually died. And the lesson is, always ALWAYS back up!!
Actually they are one of the four teams autsport mentioned...
"Former grand prix boss Nick Wirth, sportscar team Epsilon Euskadi, leading race car engineering company Ray Mallock Limited, GP2 outfit Campos Racing and automotive parts company Formtech have joined the list of outfits confirming plans to compete in Formula 1 next year, AUTOSPORT has learned."
Opening paragraph
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75440
Pitlanefanatic had the following to say about the team...
"Barwa Addax - formerly known as Campos Grand Prix, Alejandro Agag bought the team from ex-F1 driver Adrián Campos at the beginning of the year. Agag is the co-owner of Queens Park Rangers with Flavio and Bernie and was a name that was bandied around in association with the sale of both Super Aguri and Honda. He is rumoured to be securing funding in Qatar. However, the team has no manufacturing facilities. One to watch out for if a current team did come on the market - especially if that team was Renault."
ohh that sounds awful :(
terrible things, these computers. They're all secretly out to get us, the washing machines are in on it too.
Always handy to have a usb stick just in case.
Oooh... Well, even so, it's too late, the court has ruled in Max's favor already.
Those go missing when you need them. Evil things, clever idea, but too small.
i now have 2... and an external hard drive... and i back up onto the school computers (with school work) too.. can never be to careful
Couldn't you put it on your keyring or something?
But the list of names are really not worth anything - I think Lola might be serious and USF1. Pro-drive will pull out again!
They are part of Max's propaganda with not real likelihood of actually competing.
I often store a backup my work in my pouches when ive done it. then wake up and realise im no hamster... :(
man, hamsters have a good life.
That may be true to some extent, but the remaining teams can't afford to try calling Max's bluff and get caught out if more teams enter than anticipated. They need a solid plan.
agreed.
i was wrong to think we should put out a press release saying sidepodcast are considering entry into next years f1 championship.
that raises too many questions.
we should be putting out press releases saying we're not considering doing so. looks like we'd get an equal amount of column inches and we can pocket our 60p budget.
:D
Honestly - they can call Max's bluff - sorry to disagree F1 is Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, Williams, Toyota etc not Max and Bernie. FOTA must call FIA's bluff otherwise they will completely lose control.
110% agreed.
What's the time gap between fp1 and fp2 tomorrow?
wondering if I can get into uni and back to hand my assignment in the time... takes me 30 mins there, wait 20 mins for another bus up there, 30 mins back home...
I don't disagree with that. What I'm saying is that if Max does indeed have more than USF1 and Lola (which is highly likely, especially if the other teams pull out), they need to have a Plan B. They can't get caught out without a championship to compete in.
it's usually 2 and a half hours.
2hrs 30mins
oh, easy peasy. Theyve couldve made it a challenge! :P
don't tempt fate as they say :P
true true, already had unecessary one hour long bus ride recently!
Tell me about it - my Italian made washing machine (yes, I know, but it was the only washer/dryer combo available) just got repaired under warranty. Wanna know what the fault was? The overload switch was'nt connected properly in the factory and when it shorted, it burnt out the whole fuse box (which got replaced). That's what caused the smoke!
You'll have obstacles, first up will be the skid pan on your bike, then climb the wall and then the flight simulator followed by the mental challenge, then bounce over big red sponge balls over water
doing the krypton factor on the way to uni would be awesome!!
Although Id prefer a crystal maze form of travel. :D
FakeSebBuemi: "Bourdais went to bed early as he thinks free practice is tomorrow not Friday, silly Frenchie. I'm staying up with Red Bull shots in Casino!!"
hehe
The next tweet should be very interesting. :D
I have bought an external hard drive for back up - shall I clone my hard drive or just back up the important data?
Depends how much you'll have let if you do a total back up?
They're the same size HDD...
Journeyer won the quiz with 44 points!
Damn him! I came 3rd.
That was an absolute nailbiter. Best win for me. Kimster is a very tough guy to beat.
Joint third from last. Yeah.
:P
You seem to forget I was only 2 points behind. ;)
Good point! That was really, really tight.
But who remembers who finished third?
Like, who finished third in 1999?
5th for me. Not bad really - I'm the Webber of the PF quiz ;)
Heinz-Harald Frentzen - Jordan's best-ever finish.
Might call myself, Jarno Trulli. But he's won a race, how about Seb Buemi?
What a legend!
...
I hate you ;)
Thank you, Lukeh!
And on that note, back to bed for me. Later, all. :D
:P
Night champ
Evening all. Was just reading the comments. Seems someone was posting under my name earlier. We may have a problem...
If you make a ghost image you can compress them so they take up less space - I have a series of 10gb disk images than using ghost compression are down to 5 and a bit gb.
Rename yourself to Lord Chris of Awesomeville?
I don't get how Ford is an answer twice to the Lotus engines question.
Ford and Ford Cosworth. Different makes
I'm slightly worried about how tempting that sounds...
What Lotus engines question?
Damnit - missed the quiz again.. :(
twas funny i actually got that - i was just making a total guess on that one. :D i think it may be referring to the pre-DFV era in the early 60s?
Name 8 engine suppliers Lotus had.
Aww man that was your question:
Still Ford though, isn't it?
I guessed Honda and Cosworth and was tempted to put Renault. Wished I had
get yourself a blog, and then link it to your name... that way we will be able to tell you apart ;)
Cosworth is a different branch though.
Evening all. Glad to see it was worth Journeyer's while getting out of bed for the quiz.
It usually is. :D
So how do you explain, for example, Stewart's 1999 car being called a Stewart-Ford, yet the engine being a Cosworth?
How is your foot Lou?
We need to find a way of disabling his alarm...
No, because Ford financed the DFV engine...
:D
Ford bought Cosworth and called the engine a Ford. Before that Cosworth was an independent company that built an engine for Ford
surprisingly alright thanks, i even managed to walk up town in my heels today without much problem. it did hurt by the time i got back, but a lovely pasta salad from M & S was worth it :)
Exactly, so in effect Lotus only had 7 engine suppliers. They were never known as Lotus-Cosworths, were they?
So when did Lotus use a Ford that wasn't a Cosworth?
If you can wear heels it must be good. In that case I will save my sympathy. :)
Yes. Ford only financed the development of the engine so initially it was a Ford. Then Ford reduced their involvement and it was called a Cosworth.
yeah that was my thinking, if i can wear heels it will be fine, just as well really, my other option would have been trainers (most comfortable) and i'm not sure if i can pull of the trainers and suit thing like David Tennant can :P
Ok - off the top of my head...
Coventry Climax *Inline 4 and V8*
Honda *V6 Turbo*
Mugen-Honda *V10*
Renault *V6 Turbo*
Ford *V8*
Cosworth *DFV V8*
Lambourghini *V12 - only V12 Lotus*
BRM *H16 and V8*
Judd *V8*
We could ask me to implement a gravatar
http://en.gravatar.com/
gravatar, need to update mine, i still have one from a simpsons blog i go on.
If BRM were an engine supplier to Lotus, how come I never got a point for it?!
are you sure it just wasn't someone else called chris?
Issue with that. I had a livejournal once, and barely posted! I hardly twitter either. I just don't have enough to say.
That could work.
A reason to use the gravitar
You know what I mean. Should I change my name yet again to prevent confusion?
it doesn't scale. it's utterly awful as any kind of solution to anything.
soon as you bring it in, you have to start paginating comments and all sorts of awful stuff :(
Right, night all! Fun quiz and all.
The engines were rubbish. I wouldn't give points for them either
We are not short of a few Chrises here
night R.G
I'd complain about that if I were you. ;)
BRM's were fitted to the Lotus 33 and 43 in '66 and '67
Ah fair enough, I don't wanna argue. :P
umm. i was serious?
what was it before? a unique name or simply adding a surname would probably help. whatever you're more comfortable with really.
The H16 - dreadfully poor. Massively underpowered, unreliable and enormously heavy.
It was Chris (Vampire) after the panel I did where I introduced myself as Vampire, but my Skype said Chris. The host got confused and I was Chris for the panel, So I changed it to prevent confusion,
But. The. Sound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjEz-Rcets4
Oh hell yeah. Still does strange things to me. ;)
ah-ha! i do now remember.
entirely up to you. gravatars are a no go when the site gets 100,000 comments a quarter. and the only other way of restricting user names is with a login, and that's a big 'ol bag or hurt we don't really want to get into.
Fair enough.
Ah! Idea. I'll link to my twitter in the website column. That way, you know it's me!
nice one :)
Thanks. It's the closest to a blog I'm ever going to get.
Apparently Renault will be back at Duxford on next Wednesday.
Day off booked. ;)
wonderful! :)
It sounds fabulous. I wonder how they got it to run long enough to record it. I saw one at Autosport International a few years ago and it just looked ridiculous complicated. I wish they had cross-sectioned it so that I could see what was going on inside. I assume no-one told them that it is and advantage not to have the centre of gravity a foot higher than necessary.
I think Max should mandate H16s. They sound way better than modern engines and the sheer complexity of it would limit revs
Actually - thats the V16.
It's the audio from the CD which is in Nick Mason's Into the Red book.
It showed a pic of the H16 duringthe slide show
Check the audiofile I put on drop.io a week or two ago - same cd. ;)
Looks like the BBC have been busy with Jake on a cool looking featurette for Monaco. You can find behind the scenes after Murray's preview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jX0BVRuv2w
First it was Kimi and his ice cream, now - Jake and his sandwiches?
Morning people, just catching up with everything.
How is it that the FIA and Ferrari have split so deeply, so quickly? Surely mostly the same personnel are still there, has Max turned against someone in the scuderia?
Yeah, im really looking forward to that.
I guess he has been searching to find his answer to DC's tea and MB's Ice Cream
It's like a pilot coming over the intercom with: "There is no cause for alarm"
Looks interesting.
That's like ... my dream situation there!
Well what can you do? I searched for BRM H-16 and get an epic fail :(
he needed a new target after Ron left.
Seems a bit weird to me....
Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_shsRfXqk
Oh dear - I knew what that was before I clicked on it - Thats from the 'business training' film - How to Irritate People.
Has several of the Pythons and Tim Brook-Taylor
They've also cut that scene down from the original length. Thats here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJSey8HRUhU
It is strange, i get the feeling it must be about more than budget caps, FOTA's creation will defiantly have irked him, as well as the rejection of the medals system, i wonder if something else went on behind the scenes
That's just the thing. They have gone from so tight to so divided.
Whatever it was seems to have happened since the Belgian GP investigation.
Maybe Something to Ask in an Aside with Joe¬?
Friends close and enemies closer? Just that someone forgot this.....
Ahhhh, right. yes would be good to see Joe's point of view
Thanks, I thought it was a bit short. I have the whole thing on video somewhere.
why isnt it friday? :(
It is for me ;) Four day weekend baby!
'Cause practice for Monaco is always on Thursday?
because I'm not that lucky...
Feel good to get that over with?
Right, quick straw poll (of sorts)
Kimi says he's plegged to Ferrari whether or not they leave...so my question is....
IF Ferrari leave, will Kimi go with them? or take the clause that undoubtedly in his contract and go to another team? Anddd i want a reason you think it too...
3...2...1....GO!
As long as the them tune is involved in some way. That was epic.
That was Brundle. He was very close to Senna in F3. Going into the last race of the championship Brundle was leading. He broke his legs in his first F1 season after making a great start to the season and lost career momentum.
Also, anyone else enjoy the ironicness of Ferrari calling 2010 series Formula GP3, when there's already a GP3?
and richard o'brian!
Ferrari will be in an F1 championship next season with Kimi as one of their drivers
It doesn'r work very well but I'll take a pass over excellent marks to be honest, i'm that sick of it. but it's done :)
Thats not the question i asked Mr Roy, and i knew you'd give that answer!
Agreed.
But if not, Kimi will retire. He won't go to a lesser team, and McLaren are full.
I didn't know that - I thought it was Johnny Herbert that broke his legs?
I seem to manage. In real life I say sod all.
totally of topic and such a random question, but i don't suppose anyone knows what this means do they? as in the character, not the fact it's a tattoo.
you been taking pics of jensons legs again?
Johnny Herbert broke his legs in an F3000 accident at Brands Hatch. He had alread tested fro Benetton and Lotus and been massively impressive. There was a rumour that the day he tested for Lotus Mansell pitted to ask who was driving that thing because it had never gone like that before. He was regularly spoken of as the next Jim Clark in Autosport. Imagine a driver being compared to Clark.
Herbert nearly had his feet removed in a F3000 accident in 1988. Badly broke both his legs.
Came back to racing too quickly - could barely walk at the time.
I think it means left
if only... tbh if i do see him it will probably be all i will be taking pics of as i'll be sitting on the floor :P
Depends where Ferrari go. I don't think I see Kimi as a sportscar driver - but then I said the same about Jacques Villieneuve.
The surgeon was going to amputate one feet until the family explained that he was a racing driver. They were told that he woud never drive again and would be lucky to walk.
Good. It's out of the way and you can move on. I've completed my project too, and had to map each paragraph to the criteria sheets. Took all of this evening and wiped out my plan to whizz through it and do a practice exam paper. At least its done and I can catch up on papers next week!
btw fellow readers of Sniff Petrol may realise the struggle I had not to include JV's middle name...
Don't get me started on McNish. F1 missed a massive talent there.
time to go sleepy :) see you guys for free practise in the morning... at MONACO! *excited*
night!
:D
bed time for me, must get up for fp1 tomorrow (eeek i'm very excited!) night all!! xx
Surprisingly Lola weren't to impressed with Ferrari's comments about them
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6329501.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=796995
Night Luke, looking forward to it!
Don't you have school?
night!!
Good night people who are leaving.
She's on study leave, boo @ her.
I am an exam! yeey
i'm on study leave :)
niigght
now thats a tremayne all in itself ;)
Does studying Jenson count?
Now there's an interesting euphemism :)
Yes. People with short memories. Button good Lewis bad. Lewis has never left his team or as far as we know even negotiated a contract with anyone but he gets gtief for not saying the tight things. Jenson never knew who he wanted to drive for and bought his way out of a contract but he is loyal. Are you guys serious?
Ah, glad someone sees my point of view. I'm not really criticizing Jenson, he was trying to do the best for himself, but it's a bit unfair to keep heaping on Lewis.
Jenson has changed. Lewis needs to get some proper advice on how to deal with the media, perhaps then he will change too.
People just read way too much into his comments. He has to strike a balance between keeping the press off his back for driving badly by making sure everyone knows the car is the problem and supporting and driving the team. I don't think he has said much wrong at all.
Very clever Mercedes. So they are playing hard ball with Max without involving McLaren so he can't punish the team.
Yes indeedy.
On another note, I left Christine a message via iPhone skype. Not sre yet how it sounded, but I guess it worked.....
I am sure they will be able to use it. They are very good at improving sound quality. Some of the live shows have several people on skype and some are very quiet. By the time the show is edited all the levels are about the same.
sure thing, no worries. will take a listen in the morning.
Lou, I asked my Chinese friend what Jenson's tattoo means. She said:
literally the first character means"one",the second means"time". depends on the context can mean " these""this time" or mathematically " twice than usual"
thanks Kathi :D thank your friend too :)