It was a terrible day in the world of motorsport yesterday, but here's hoping today is a better one. We've got lots going on in the world of Sidepodcast, which is good as we ramp up to the Hungarian weekend. Here are some of the things we've got going on:

  • Yesterday's Debrief is now available in both the edited format and the uncut live stream. We talked about all manner of things including a little bit of politics, some silly season, and even Franck gets a mention. That must be a good show.
  • We also talk about the phenomenon that is Sidepodradio. What started out as a bit of a joke from RG has turned into a real life plan to broadcast some Sidepodshows for 12 hours at the beginning of August. There's more about it on the wiki, but mentioning it here is really just an excuse to plug Alex's pilot music show.
  • Finally, I forgot to mention that yesterday I wrote the Goodwood Roundup post that was promised in last week's Debrief. If there are any other blog entries or online photo sets that I have missed, please let us know and we can update the post.

That's all for now. It's Manic Monday, so I hope it is okay for everyone who dislikes the first day of the week. I will see you in the comments.

911 responses

  • Neil Denham19/07/2009 at 23:02

    Awful day, RIP Henry

    :(

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:04

    Hello Monday

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:12

    Hello Monday

    Monday is rubbish... Booo Hiss Booo

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:13

    Monday is rubbish... Booo Hiss Booo

    Agreed, thought if I was nice to it, I may have a decent one

  • Jon Waldock19/07/2009 at 23:13

    Monday is rubbish... Booo Hiss Booo

    My Monday is going to be spet getting rid of my stupid cold

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:13

    My Monday is going to be spet getting rid of my stupid cold

    My monday will be spent pretending it is sunday

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:14

    My Monday is going to be spet getting rid of my stupid cold

    I had Wine Flu the other day, terrible it was

  • Andy Taylor19/07/2009 at 23:16

    #sidepodspace

    According to the BBC, the main toilet in the ISS has broken down.

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:16

    The times Blog is repoerting that The f2 cars are built by williams... http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/07/tragedy-for-the-surtees-family.html

    I thought they designed it and built the prototype, but the actual race cars are built elsewhere?

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:17

    According to the BBC, the main toilet in the ISS has broken down.

    You could say they are in the...

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:17

    According to the BBC, the main toilet in the ISS has broken down.

    They can always go out on the porch ;)

  • Jon Waldock19/07/2009 at 23:18

    http://www.break.com/index/how-to-turn-a-speeding-ticket-into-jail-time.html

    gee, some people ;)

  • Jon Waldock19/07/2009 at 23:19

    They can always go out on the porch ;)

    Neighbours might see

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:19

    gee, some people ;)

    Woah!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:20

    Neighbours might see

    I'd risk it

  • Rachel19/07/2009 at 23:21

    gee, some people ;)

    wow.

  • me19/07/2009 at 23:22

    wow.

    how?

    i couldn't do that even if i wanted to.

  • Rachel19/07/2009 at 23:23

    right, I should get some sleep. night all!

  • me19/07/2009 at 23:24

    right, I should get some sleep. night all!

    night rachel. file is fixed now btw.

  • Jon Waldock19/07/2009 at 23:24

    i couldn't do that even if i wanted to.

    front wheel drive + long car of the right shape im guessing

    bet that was a mayjor face palm moment when he did that

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:24

    G'night Rachel

  • Jon Waldock19/07/2009 at 23:24

    right, I should get some sleep. night all!

    night!

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:25

    right, I should get some sleep. night all!

    night

  • lou19/07/2009 at 23:25

    night rachel

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:26

    gee, some people ;)

    Nuts

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:40

    The sleeping panda when doohickey rests is great :)

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:42

    The sleeping panda when doohickey rests is great :)

    I feel guilty waking a sleeping panda...

    Is it on a shorter time limit now?

  • Jon Waldock19/07/2009 at 23:42

    Right, i've got to sleep. Come on MWM! FINISH!!! 5 minutes left. I'm going to sleep well tonight!

    Night all

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:42

    Is it on a shorter time limit now?

    It varies I think

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:42

    Night all

    Night

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:43

    G'night Jon

  • lou19/07/2009 at 23:43

    Night Jon

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:43

    It varies I think

    To keep us on our toes?

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:43

    To keep us on our toes?

    Of course :)

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:43

    To keep us on our toes?

    Just realised what a silly expression that is...

  • Jon Waldock19/07/2009 at 23:43

    To keep us on our toes?

    For you it's longer so that you have to wait for the Panda to come like yesterday ;)

  • Andy Taylor19/07/2009 at 23:44

    Is it on a shorter time limit now?

    I think Mr C said it was shorter for testing purposes.

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:45

    I think Mr C said it was shorter for testing purposes.

    It was on 5 mins yesterday, i think its on about 15 now...

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:45

    For you it's longer so that you have to wait for the Panda to come like yesterday ;)

    I was outwitted yesterday ;)

  • Andy Taylor19/07/2009 at 23:47

    Well it's time for me to make like a sleeping panda (but not in a tree), so goodnight to one and all and here's hoping tomorrow is a better day.

  • Nick19/07/2009 at 23:47

    Well it's time for me to make like a sleeping panda (but not in a tree), so goodnight to one and all and here's hoping tomorrow is a better day.

    lets hope, Night!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper19/07/2009 at 23:47

    Night Andy

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 00:02

    According to the BBC, the main toilet in the ISS has broken down.

    You missed the earlier comments. The US toilet that was only delivered two shuttles ago is u/s

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 00:04

    They can always go out on the porch ;)

    THe porch is causing problems. Normally they could use the shuttle toilets but they vent waste water and now they would vent it straight at the porch so they are rationing the use of the shuttle toilet

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:04

    You missed the earlier comments. The US toilet that was only delivered two shuttles ago is u/s

    Will they need an extra shuttle mission to fix it?

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 00:06

    gee, some people ;)

    How insane can you be?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 00:07

    I'm confused about whether to put this in the thread with the discussion but which no-one will check, or in the current discussion in the current daily... so I'll just put it here.

    Sidepodradio actually happening is an amazing idea. :-) I have no idea yet if I'll be around to hear it but I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun with all kinds of unique ideas and concepts dreamed up for the day.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 00:09

    Will they need an extra shuttle mission to fix it?

    THey don't know yet. 13 over-achievers up there an none of them can figure out what is wrong with the toilet. They may need a plumber on the next shuttle

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:10

    THey don't know yet. 13 over-achievers up there an none of them can figure out what is wrong with the toilet. They may need a plumber on the next shuttle

    I bet one of them has a bit of a red face, they should talk to that guy.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 00:10

    Sidepodradio actually happening is an amazing idea. :-) I have no idea yet if I'll be around to hear it but I'm sure it'll be a lot of fun with all kinds of unique ideas and concepts dreamed up for the day.

    I think it is going to be a blast and I plan not to miss a minute of it and to be involved as much as I can.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 00:11

    They just mentioned Henry Surtees on BBC2

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 00:13

    I think it is going to be a blast and I plan not to miss a minute of it and to be involved as much as I can.

    I'd like to be here but have possible other commitments that weekend - Dad's birthday, and my sister moving back down from London for a month before she goes to Spain for a year. This should be Fri/Sat though.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:15

    I'd like to be here but have possible other commitments that weekend - Dad's birthday, and my sister moving back down from London for a month before she goes to Spain for a year. This should be Fri/Sat though.

    I have to navigate from birmingham to surrey with a massive hangover.

    It will be difficult, but i will persevere. Do you have a show?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 00:17

    I have to navigate from birmingham to surrey with a massive hangover.

    It will be difficult, but i will persevere. Do you have a show?

    Me? Why would I want a show?

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:18

    Me? Why would I want a show?

    Cos it'd be fun?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:18

    Me? Why would I want a show?

    Its just a bit of fun, you can do what ever you like!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 00:18

    Me? Why would I want a show?

    Cos it'd be fun?

    Maybe for people who enjoy talking.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 00:25

    My head is all over the place at the minute. I had a good exercise and a (for me) good golf round after missing several weeks, which was good. Did the rounds at parents places. Come home to hear the Surtees news and am trying to correct misconceptions on Twitter which is starting to really annoy me.

    Bedtime I think.

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:25

    G'night Pat

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:26

    Night...

    Another one bites the dust!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:27

    So, what was this about Monza? :)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:29

    So, what was this about Monza? :)

    Well it was just an idea..

    Go to the GP, I havent been to one before, and I thought it might be quite a good adventure!

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:30

    Go to the GP, I havent been to one before, and I thought it might be quite a good adventure!

    Also It was cheaper than Spa!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:34

    So, what was this about Monza? :)

    Well it was just an idea..

    Go to the GP, I havent been to one before, and I thought it might be quite a good adventure!

    Before yesterday, I would've probably said yes straight away. I found out my cousin's geting married in Greece, my hotel room is paid for a week for me. I'm sorta obliged. Will have a think though

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:35

    Also It was cheaper than Spa!

    Must do Spa one day, I love that track

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:35

    Before yesterday, I would've probably said yes straight away. I found out my cousin's geting married in Greece, my hotel room is paid for a week for me. I'm sorta obliged. Will have a think though

    Ah no worries...

    There is always Abu Dhabi ;)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:36

    There is always Abu Dhabi ;)

    ... and next season!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:36

    There is always Abu Dhabi ;)

    That's when he's getting married, I may make it home by Sunday

    Think it's the Wednesday before

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:36

    ... and next season!

    True

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:39

    I wasnt sure about it, in fact it was just a whimsical idea...

    I might have a chance for free tickets for abu ahabi, so i am hoping against hope for that...

    But i definatly want to go to a GP next year, or Le Mans. Goodwood has given me the bug!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:41

    But i definatly want to go to a GP next year, or Le Mans. Goodwood has given me the bug!

    We talked about going to the British GP at the Science meet-up but nothing became of it.

    Maybe we should organise something for Donnington next year

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:46

    Maybe we should organise something for Donnington next year

    ...Or silverstone!

    I think there should be london sidepoddrinking meetups to formaly discuss sidepodsober meetups!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:46

    I think there should be london sidepoddrinking meetups to formaly discuss sidepodsober meetups!

    Giggles and I have the odd beer

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:48

    Giggles and I have the odd beer

    You should really drink the even ones too... :P

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:49

    You should really drink the even ones too... :P

    I was talking about strange :)

    He likes the elderflower kind ;)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 00:50

    Elderflower beer!???

    Is that even drinkable?

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:51

    Elderflower beer!???

    Is that even drinkable?

    First time we met up, Giggles live commented from his iPhone. He let the site choose his drink

    They picked some Elderflower concoction!

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 00:52

    First time we met up, Giggles live commented from his iPhone. He let the site choose his drink

    That'd lad would do almost anything if he could upload it to drop.io :)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 01:01

    That'd lad would do almost anything if he could upload it to drop.io :)

    hahaha!

    That sounds great... I am deprived of drinking out here, so i head to london quite a lot.

    Give us a shout if you fancy a beer anytime

  • Bassano 'The Godfather' Clapper20/07/2009 at 01:03

    That sounds great... I am deprived of drinking out here, so i head to london quite a lot.

    Give us a shout if you fancy a beer anytime

    Cool, we should all have a SidepodDrink-up in the summer break

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 01:04

    Cool, we should all have a SidepodDrink-up in the summer break

    Sounds good!

  • Journeyer20/07/2009 at 01:59

    Must run, but before I go, here's an interesting article from BOP concerning Bernie... and Ari.

    http://www.britsonpole.com/why-ecclestone-has-harmed-f1-more-than-he-may-realise-and-why-vatanen-may-only-make-it-worse-post12038

  • Journeyer20/07/2009 at 02:02

    Last thing: RIP Henry Surtees. Condolences to the Surtees family. :(

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 02:11

    Must run, but before I go, here's an interesting article from BOP concerning Bernie... and Ari.

    The article is trying to suggest that people look at Bernie's remarks on Hitler and assume that everyone in F1 is facist. That is a ridiculous argument.

    To then admit to using an online translator and cleaning up a language they don't have any understandng of is just stupid. Ari is never going to be popular with the green lobby but the article misses the fundamental point. If we don't have Ari we have Todt. Todt is the selection of Max who it says is flawed due to everything that has surrounded him and Max was the choice of Bernie who they think is a facist.

    So we have the choice of someone the the green lobby will pick on or the choice of a Max and Bernie who will follow their policies. Tough choice.

    Go Ari !

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 02:25

    So we have the choice of someone the the green lobby will pick on or the choice of a Max and Bernie who will follow their policies. Tough choice.

    I think Bernie will want Ari to take charge; from a pragmatic point of view he is the man the teams would like and i am sure he has noticed he is the man the fans would like.

    Todt is also an unknown quantity as far as he is concerned, he has a history with max, and a working relationship, just because max sees him as the heir to his rule, doesn't mean Bernie can work with him in the same way...

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 04:46

    Just listening to Alex' pilot radio show. Is there no end to Dr Giggles talent? .. Well done Sir!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 04:48

    Just listening to Alex' pilot radio show. Is there no end to Dr Giggles talent? .. Well done Sir!

    Too kind! There is some rather headbanging music for this time of the morning Jackie!

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 05:01

    Too kind! There is some rather headbanging music for this time of the morning Jackie!

    I love rock .. "be mine be my little rock and roll queen" .. catchy

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 05:08

    I love rock .. "be mine be my little rock and roll queen" .. catchy

    I thought it was spelt RAWK ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 06:29

    Morning all!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 06:33

    Morning!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 06:42

    So Gavin have you signed up to some actual factual Sidepodradio show?

    I was trying to volenteer you for the Who's line is it anyway show: Who's startline is it anyway?

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 06:45

    I was trying to volenteer you for the Who's line is it anyway show: Who's startline is it anyway?

    Nick is hosting with 4 guests... Steven Roy, Bassano and Lukeh have so far signed up.

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sidepodradio

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 06:47

    So Gavin have you signed up to some actual factual Sidepodradio show?

    I was trying to volenteer you for the Who's line is it anyway show: Who's startline is it anyway?

    I wish I could... but I am on holiday that week :(

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 06:47

    I wish I could... but I am on holiday that week :(

    ah shucks! I'm on holiday that week too :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 06:49

    I wish I could... but I am on holiday that week :(

    ah shucks! I'm on holiday that week too :(

    Now you guys are making me feel bad for going to Spain :(

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 06:56

    Now you guys are making me feel bad for going to Spain :(

    I'm going to Somerset! Hardly any distance at all, but there's no internet there apparently :(

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 07:08

    I wish I could... but I am on holiday that week :(

    Don't forget, if you want to sign up for a show of your own, we are absolutely accepting pre-records.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 07:11

    I wish I could... but I am on holiday that week :(

    Don't forget, if you want to sign up for a show of your own, we are absolutely accepting pre-records.

    I haven't listened to the debrief yet so I will and let you guys know...

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 07:13

    I haven't listened to the debrief yet so I will and let you guys know...

    Ok, most of the chatter happened after we finished, so the replay is the best place to go. But if you got any questions, just let us know.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 08:00

    For Doctor Who fans:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8158556.stm

    Oh my god, it's a bow tie. Boo.

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 08:11

    I got a pack from the AGPC in the mail today, with a letter and a brochure, but all I really got out of it was PLEASE COME BACK, ITS CHEAPER!! PLEASE. WE BEG YOU.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 08:12

    Oh my god, it's a bow tie. Boo.

    Hmmm... Not sure about that... Hmmmm....

    Although Indiana Jones wore a bow tie. So it might work... *hopes*

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 08:14

    Although Indiana Jones wore a bow tie. So it might work... *hopes*

    He has weird rolled up trouser legs too.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 08:14

    I got a pack from the AGPC in the mail today, with a letter and a brochure, but all I really got out of it was PLEASE COME BACK, ITS CHEAPER!! PLEASE. WE BEG YOU.

    And do they convince you?

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 08:16

    And do they convince you?

    I didn't need convincing :D I shall ring them tomorrow.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 08:26

    He has weird rolled up trouser legs too.

    Yeah I'm less happy about those than the bow tie!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 08:27

    David Tennant was styled after Jamie Oliver apparently.

  • F1Wolf20/07/2009 at 08:36

    Alguersuari confirmed for Hungary by Toro Rosso

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 08:42

    Alguersuari confirmed for Hungary by Toro Rosso

    Bless those teams getting several days of news out of what should be one announcement :)

  • F1Wolf20/07/2009 at 08:43

    I wonder if these words from Alguersuari were sincere or ironic:

    "But already I feel that I am getting great support from the team, who have quite a reputation for looking after rookie drivers."

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 08:44

    I wonder if these words from Alguersuari were sincere or ironic:

    "But already I feel that I am getting great support from the team, who have quite a reputation for looking after rookie drivers."

    Buemi's still the rookie of the year though!

  • F1Wolf20/07/2009 at 08:45

    Buemi's still the rookie of the year though!

    well, now that he has some competition ... :-)

  • Journeyer20/07/2009 at 08:45

    I didn’t need convincing :D I shall ring them tomorrow.

    Ahh... Ron Walker must be wishing that everyone that went this year is like you. ;)

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 08:50

    Ahh... Ron Walker must be wishing that everyone that went this year is like you. ;)

    they are smart putting tickets on sale at tax return time. My tax return paid for my Christmas flights though. I called my mum to tell her and she already knew :( surprise ruined :(

  • Journeyer20/07/2009 at 09:11

    I called my mum to tell her and she already knew

    Awww. How did she find out, though?

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 09:14

    Awww. How did she find out, though?

    someone I used to work with saw it on facebook and tracked her down in the building to tell her. I don't even recall adding this woman to my friends list!

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 09:50

    Everyone is talking really loud today. Am I hungover without realising it?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 09:51

    Everyone is talking really loud today. Am I hungover without realising it?

    At least you don't have a contractor using the cupboard in front of your desk to work on a piece of ceiling!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 09:52

    Everyone is talking really loud today. Am I hungover without realising it?

    potentially, im listening to giggles's show, he's talking loudly too

  • me20/07/2009 at 10:06

    He has weird rolled up trouser legs too.

    like franck?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:07

    like franck?

    Kinda like Franck, yea. Maybe I do like it after all. :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 10:07

    "But already I feel that I am getting great support from the team, who have quite a reputation for looking after rookie drivers."

    hehe!

  • me20/07/2009 at 10:08

    someone I used to work with saw it on facebook and tracked her down in the building to tell her. I don't even recall adding this woman to my friends list!

    thought you were going to say she reads the comments.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 10:10

    The giggles show was actually very good :D love it

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:12

    Ooooh, Ben has added himself for a show on Sidepodradio called F1 & Design. Very cool.

    And he's donated for the Sidepodcause. We're almost halfway to our target already, and we only came up with the idea yesterday!

    I heart Sidepodpeeps.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 10:15

    Ooooh, Ben has added himself for a show on Sidepodradio called F1 & Design. Very cool.

    And he's donated for the Sidepodcause. We're almost halfway to our target already, and we only came up with the idea yesterday!

    I heart Sidepodpeeps.

    I go away for one weekend and I have no idea what you are talking about!

    What's the 'Sidepodcause'?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 10:16

    What's the 'Sidepodcause'?

    Go onto wiki, sidepodradio, it'll tell you all ya need to know

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:16

    What's the 'Sidepodcause'?

    Creating Sidepodradio for 12 hours will cost us £10 an hour = £120. We are taking donations for the cause, and if we get over our target the rest will go to charity. Donations received so far are listed on the wiki.

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sidepodradio

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:17

    Go onto wiki, sidepodradio, it'll tell you all ya need to know

    I shoulda just said that :)

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 10:18

    Creating Sidepodradio for 12 hours will cost us £10 an hour = £120. We are taking donations for the cause, and if we get over our target the rest will go to charity. Donations received so far are listed on the wiki.

    donations through paypal?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:19

    donations through paypal?

    Yup.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:20

    Perhaps I should write a blog post about Sidepodradio, for those that weren't tuned in to the post-debrief streaming.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 10:20

    Creating Sidepodradio for 12 hours will cost us £10 an hour = £120. We are taking donations for the cause, and if we get over our target the rest will go to charity. Donations received so far are listed on the wiki.

    Ah OK, thanks for that!

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 10:21

    Yup.

    done.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 10:21

    Perhaps I should write a blog post about Sidepodradio, for those that weren't tuned in to the post-debrief streaming.

    Might be a good idea. Apologies for missing it and sounding like a fool here, but I was literally allowed 10 minutes of internet until late sunday night over the weekend...

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 10:21

    Perhaps I should write a blog post about Sidepodradio, for those that weren't tuned in to the post-debrief streaming.

    I can't get the replay to load, it was trying for 3 hours before I gave up.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:23

    done.

    Ace! You just bought us an hour and we are now halfway there :)

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:23

    I can't get the replay to load, it was trying for 3 hours before I gave up.

    Boo.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 10:34

    Good morning all.

    Oh my god, it's a bow tie. Boo.

    Tooo, classic.

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 10:34

    Boo.

    that'll teach me for sleeping!

  • me20/07/2009 at 10:35

    that'll teach me for sleeping!

    odd. it's quite a big file, but not that big.

    shall drop.io for you.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 10:55

    potentially, im listening to giggles's show, he's talking loudly too

    I was really quiet at first versus the music... I thought, "I could turn the music down" but Naaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh. Instead I decided to turn me up :)

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 10:55

    For those curious about Sidepodradio, this is pretty much what we know so far, I think:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/07/20/ever-dream-of-being-a-radio-dj/

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 10:56

    The giggles show was actually very good :D love it

    Thanks!

    I need to work out how to export visulizations. Couldn't work it out on Sunday.

  • Alianora La Canta20/07/2009 at 10:58

    It was sad to hear of Henry Surtees' death. I suppose a loose wheel is one of those things it's not really possible to defend against in an open-wheel car that already employs powerful tethers, but it's still a huge pity. Condolences to the Surtees family and the F2 paddock :(

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 11:24

    hooray I was just about to watch some transcripting but instead I am watching some live action on the drop.io. Thanks Mr C :D

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 11:24

    hooray I was just about to watch some transcripting but instead I am watching some live action on the drop.io. Thanks Mr C :D

    watch some transcripting? do some transcribing.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:25

    hooray I was just about to watch some transcripting but instead I am watching some live action on the drop.io. Thanks Mr C :D

    Darn that Mr C! :)

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:26

    hooray I was just about to watch some transcripting but instead I am watching some live action on the drop.io. Thanks Mr C :D

    How come you don't have a Sidepodradio show yet, Amy?

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 11:27

    How come you don't have a Sidepodradio show yet, Amy?

    because I was hoping no one would notice :D

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:28

    because I was hoping no one would notice :D

    But you must!

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 11:29

    But you must!

    But I dont wannoooooooo. I am prepared to donate any amount to get out of the responsibility :D

  • RG20/07/2009 at 11:30

    But I dont wannoooooooo. I am prepared to donate any amount to get out of the responsibility :D

    That would, I suppose, work. Good idea Amy.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:30

    But I dont wannoooooooo. I am prepared to donate any amount to get out of the responsibility :D

    Hmm. We shall have to ask Steven later.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:33

    Gavin got ANOTHER shout out, on MWM, got an email read out!!!

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:34

    Gavin got ANOTHER shout out, on MWM, got an email read out!!!

    Coool!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 11:34

    Gavin got ANOTHER shout out, on MWM, got an email read out!!!

    So I hear ... haven't got to that bit yet...

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:35

    So I hear ... haven't got to that bit yet...

    43-44 minutes into ep31

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 11:36

    So I hear ... haven't got to that bit yet...

    43-44 minutes into ep31

    Cheers dude!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:36

    Cheers dude!

    No worries, am having a podcast listening day

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 11:37

    as I read my Aus 2010 brochure, I notice the following statement when they talk about the Wednesday behind the scenes tour: "be the first to see the new pit straight layout"

    circuit changes ahoy? trying to fit the new teams in?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:38

    circuit changes ahoy? trying to fit the new teams in?

    they'll have too, theres lots of circuits who wont have enough space. im looking forward to seeing the new teams in awnings round the back ;)

  • Journeyer20/07/2009 at 11:38

    Hmm. We shall have to ask Steven later.

    Indeed. :D Heheh!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 11:39

    So I hear ... haven't got to that bit yet...

    43-44 minutes into ep31

    Cheers dude!

    Aww man, I'm not sure I liked Declan's comment :(

  • RG20/07/2009 at 11:39

    they'll have too, theres lots of circuits who wont have enough space. im looking forward to seeing the new teams in awnings round the back ;)

    Trying to imagine Monaco. Water-Motorhomes

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:39

    Aww man, I'm not sure I liked Declan's comment :(

    hehe, i think it was meant nicer than it sounded. your stuff is great, just ignore him :D

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 11:40

    Morning everyone!

    circuit changes ahoy? trying to fit the new teams in?

    No word better to see upon opening up sidepodcast than ahoy! :D

  • RG20/07/2009 at 11:41

    Morning everyone!

    Afternoon Nick.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:41

    Morning everyone!

    Afternoon Nick.

    Is it afternoon already?! oh wow, i havent got much done today lol

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 11:42

    I have just recived my pitlane fanatic mug :D

    It is awesome! will post pics later...

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:42

    Is it afternoon already?! oh wow, i havent got much done today lol

    Podcast listening counts as getting stuff done in my book.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:43

    Podcast listening counts as getting stuff done in my book.

    Yeah, but its been mainly MWM podcasts because they last so darn long, depending on the episode im not sure they can be classed as podcasts ;)

  • Flabbergash20/07/2009 at 11:45

    asuguri confirmed

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 11:46

    Yeah, but its been mainly MWM podcasts because they last so darn long, depending on the episode im not sure they can be classed as podcasts ;)

    I so don't have the patience to listen to that show

  • RG20/07/2009 at 11:46

    It is awesome! will post pics later...

    Gonna try harder to lose to you next time.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 11:46

    Aww man, I'm not sure I liked Declan's comment :(

    hehe, i think it was meant nicer than it sounded. your stuff is great, just ignore him :D

    I am going to ask him for feedback now ... They still haven't sent a list of laptimes...

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:46

    I so don't have the patience to listen to that show

    I tend to do it in shifts, sometimes i cant cope with the rants :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 11:47

    Yeah, but its been mainly MWM podcasts because they last so darn long, depending on the episode im not sure they can be classed as podcasts ;)

    I so don't have the patience to listen to that show

    What a shame - it's rather good!

  • RG20/07/2009 at 11:47

    I so don't have the patience to listen to that show

    Problem with me is I listen when I go to bed. And long shows I tend to fall asleep too.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:47

    I am going to ask him for feedback now ... They still haven't sent a list of laptimes...

    Check on the listeners collective

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:48

    Problem with me is I listen when I go to bed. And long shows I tend to fall asleep too.

    Same, i close itunes and shut down, then it starts back from where i stopped the next day

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 11:48

    I am going to ask him for feedback now ... They still haven't sent a list of laptimes...

    Check on the listeners collective

    Can't seem to find it :(

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:51

    Can't seem to find it :(

    Me neither, boo

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 11:53

    Christine have you seen the head of car concept at brawn is into pandas?

    that might be stretching the truth, but PHIL ARNABOLDI listed under hobies:

    I have two young children so most of my spare time involves unicorns, pandas, diggers and tractor

    Tenuous panda-f1 linking over!

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:54

    Tenuous panda-f1 linking over!

    Love it! :)

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:54

    This does need to be taken with a large helping of salt, but it is humerous...

    http://www.racecar-engineering.com/news/opinion/382733/toro-rosso-explains-why-it-avoids-q3.html

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:54

    Can't seem to find it :(

    Tis a Facebook group, isn't it?

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5508588715

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:55

    Tis a Facebook group, isn't it?

    Yeah but theres a specific thing we're looking for on there which they said they'd put on it, which i dont think they have

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 11:55

    Can't seem to find it :(

    Tis a Facebook group, isn't it?

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5508588715

    Oh yeah, I'm on the group but I asked for a list and it doesn't seem to be there. I was keen to blog about it and make some comparison graphs...

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 11:56

    Yeah but theres a specific thing we're looking for on there which they said they'd put on it, which i dont think they have

    Ah, sorry. Misunderstood.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 11:56

    Ah, sorry. Misunderstood.

    No worries :)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 11:56

    This does need to be taken with a large helping of salt, but it is humerous...

    hehe, yeah that was posted the other day, great stuff :D

  • RG20/07/2009 at 11:58

    This does need to be taken with a large helping of salt, but it is humerous...

    I heart Red Bull/Toro Rosso.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:02

    I am going to ask him for feedback now ... They still haven't sent a list of laptimes...

    Oh dear... it's not nice :(

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:02

    I heart Red Bull/Toro Rosso.

    I love lists like that, my all time favourite was from Planet F1 at the end of 2007, they had "20 things Ferrari have learnt in 2007" and the same for Mclaren, which included some of my favourite lines....

    "1. Lewis Hamilton is probably ready for a full race drive"

    and

    "18.Never ever ever ever ever ever let ITV run a feature on past British F1 World Champions until the trophy is mathematically won."

    and

    "8.Max Mosley's idea of "sporting fairness" is McLaren playing by the absolute letter of the law, and Ferrari telling him what that law is. "

    :D

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:02

    carnage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159096.stm

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:03

    Oh dear... it's not nice :(

    really? how bad?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:03

    carnage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159096.stm

    Uh-oh - I have family travelling through Germany today...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:04

    I heart Red Bull/Toro Rosso.

    I love lists like that, my all time favourite was from Planet F1 at the end of 2007, they had "20 things Ferrari have learnt in 2007" and the same for Mclaren, which included some of my favourite lines....

    "1. Lewis Hamilton is probably ready for a full race drive"

    and

    "18.Never ever ever ever ever ever let ITV run a feature on past British F1 World Champions until the trophy is mathematically won."

    and

    "8.Max Mosley's idea of "sporting fairness" is McLaren playing by the absolute letter of the law, and Ferrari telling him what that law is. "

    :D

    Great stuff - I remember that one. P-F1 can be pretty funny at times...

  • RG20/07/2009 at 12:04
  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:04

    carnage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159096.stm

    Wow, imagine getting the insurance details for all of them

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:05

    Great stuff - I remember that one. P-F1 can be pretty funny at times...

    The Ferrari one was also good....

    "6. Red lights at the end of the pitlane mean stop. Don't they Felipe."

    :D

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:05

    in other news. i've found the sport i wish to follow in place of f1:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8158183.stm

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:07

    Oh dear... it's not nice :(

    really? how bad?

    Can I ask a favour first?

    I would like some honest feedback about my blog ... do people get any benefit from it and can they understand it? Is it too dry? Could it be made better?

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:07

    I would like some honest feedback about my blog ... do people get any benefit from it and can they understand it? Is it too dry? Could it be made better?

    what have i missed?

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:07

    I would like some honest feedback about my blog ... do people get any benefit from it and can they understand it? Is it too dry? Could it be made better?

    I really, really like it. It breaks stats down in a way that is really easy to understand, and the writing isn't boring. I think you do a great job.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:08

    Wow, imagine getting the insurance details for all of them

    haha, if its all one guy's fault he will be in a bit of bother!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:08

    what have i missed?

    The american one from MWM made some not nice comments about it

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:08

    in other news. i've found the sport i wish to follow in place of f1:

    I was about to say "it's not as good as Tennis" but then I saw that they are playing in Finland. Win!

    Speaking of Tennis, the Fed Fund currently is at $24.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:08

    I would like some honest feedback about my blog ... do people get any benefit from it and can they understand it? Is it too dry? Could it be made better?

    what have i missed?

    I've just received some feedback from Declan Brennan about my blog, and I'm not sure what to think of it.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:10

    I would like some honest feedback about my blog ... do people get any benefit from it and can they understand it? Is it too dry? Could it be made better?

    i think its great. shows F1 in a different light, lots of stuff i'd have never thought of, lots of food for thought

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:12

    what have i missed?

    The american one from MWM made some not nice comments about it

    He's Irish but based in the US, I think...

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:12

    He's Irish but based in the US, I think...

    ah yes, same difference ;)

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:12

    i think its great. shows F1 in a different light, lots of stuff i'd have never thought of, lots of food for thought

    that reminds me, I like it because its different. If I'm honest I don't read a lot of blogs because its the same thing over and over and over again, but I haven't seen anything else like yours.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:12

    in other news. i've found the sport i wish to follow in place of f1:

    then you my friend, have to see this....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE92G9u9jaY&feature=channel

    Welcome to Slamball :D

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:12

    I really, really like it. It breaks stats down in a way that is really easy to understand, and the writing isn't boring. I think you do a great job.

    I concur

    One ridiculous comment (you should probably ignore) is that there is quite a lot of blue in both your background an in your graphs!

    If thats all i am pulling you up on, you must be doing something right!

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:13

    The american one from MWM made some not nice comments about it

    really? boo :(

    gavin, i love your blog, but stats posts are always going to attract criticism from people who think they're too cool for excel. the way i see it, you have two choices:

    a) carry on as you are

    b) add gratuitous pictures of scantily clad pit girls

    personally i vote for the former.

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:13

    that reminds me, I like it because its different. If I'm honest I don't read a lot of blogs because its the same thing over and over and over again, but I haven't seen anything else like yours.

    seconded.

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:13

    Welcome to Slamball :D

    far too professional.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:13

    far too professional.

    aha, :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:16

    One ridiculous comment (you should probably ignore) is that there is quite a lot of blue in both your background an in your graphs!

    If thats all i am pulling you up on, you must be doing something right!

    Yeah I'm trying to go for a nice easy colour scheme - but I am open to ideas of course (no pink and yellow though ;) )

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:18

    One ridiculous comment (you should probably ignore) is that there is quite a lot of blue in both your background an in your graphs!

    declan said the site is a bit blue?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:18

    declan said the site is a bit blue?

    he said he got a bit confused by it all.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:18

    One ridiculous comment (you should probably ignore) is that there is quite a lot of blue in both your background an in your graphs!

    declan said the site is a bit blue?

    I'm emailing what he said to you now-...

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:19

    I'm emailing what he said to you now-...

    cheers sir.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:19

    declan said the site is a bit blue?

    he said he got a bit confused by it all.

    He just sent me a mail after I asked him for some feedback...

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:19

    declan said the site is a bit blue?

    That was me... ;)

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:20

    he said he got a bit confused by it all.

    Is he even trying? I don't think it could be easier to understand which is why I like it!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:23

    he said he got a bit confused by it all.

    Is he even trying? I don't think it could be easier to understand which is why I like it!

    apparently not ... I was quite surprised considering they had undertaken the seemingly complicated task of comparing different racing series and that he finds my blog difficult to understand?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:23

    declan said the site is a bit blue?

    That was me... ;)

    You're just blue-ist! :P

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:27

    You're just blue-ist! :P

    haha, it me eyes, they are lazy.

    One coment about it being had to take it then, perhaps you need a format more like a blog like Kotaku

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:27

    I'm emailing what he said to you now-...

    cheers sir.

    Sent ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:27

    You're just blue-ist! :P

    haha, it me eyes, they are lazy.

    One coment about it being had to take it then, perhaps you need a format more like a blog like Kotaku

    I don't follow... got a link?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:28

    One coment about it being had to take it then, perhaps you need a format more like a blog like Kotaku

    weird... that link button is EVIL

    Where they show just the headlines then you click to go into more detail.

    It might make it easier to take in.

    Just an idea tis all

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:28

    I don't follow... got a link?

    http://kotaku.com/

    Sorry... my battle with the link button continues, i didnt mean to post it!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:28

    One coment about it being had to take it then, perhaps you need a format more like a blog like Kotaku

    weird... that link button is EVIL

    Where they show just the headlines then you click to go into more detail.

    It might make it easier to take in.

    Just an idea tis all

    How do I do that in 'free' wordpress ... a split post?

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:29

    weird... that link button is EVIL

    had evil can a button be?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:29

    weird... that link button is EVIL

    had evil can a button be?

    Big red button? :)

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:30

    had evil can a button be?

    it can make you spell 'how' wrong. its THAT evil :)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:31

    How do I do that in 'free' wordpress ... a split post?

    I am not sure if there is a template that does that.

    Was just an idea to help break it up, I dont mind it how it is now, but i can understand some people find a lot of info up front confusing!

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:31

    had evil can a button be?

    It is out to ruin everything i post... :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:32

    How do I do that in 'free' wordpress ... a split post?

    I am not sure if there is a template that does that.

    Was just an idea to help break it up, I dont mind it how it is now, but i can understand some people find a lot of info up front confusing!

    It's a very good idea actually - I shall see how to implement it...

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:32

    It is out to ruin everything i post... :P

    you know the link button works rather well when used in conjunction with the preview button...

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:33

    It's a very good idea actually - I shall see how to implement it...

    there's a "more" tag in wordpress post admin. just add it like any other tag.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:34

    you know the link button works rather well when used in conjunction with the preview button...

    That was the problem!

    I previewed 5 or 6 times and it wasn't doing what i wanted and then i accidentaly clicked post before i had finished writing and my comment came out all... rude

    :D

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:34

    heres a new story from the nz news

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2611444/Hartley-not-ready-for-F1

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:35

    heres a new story from the nz news

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2611444/Hartley-not-ready-for-F1

    Smart kid

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:36

    It's a very good idea actually - I shall see how to implement it...

    there's a "more" tag in wordpress post admin. just add it like any other tag.

    So I just add 'more' as a tag to my post and it does it automatically?

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:36

    Sent ;)

    got it. it's a shame he said what he did.

    you have a niche blog that does exactly what it says on the tin. if we need stats we know exactly where to go. everything is cleanly laid out and i approve.

    the homepage does contain a lot of graphs and i guess that can be rather overpowering on first impression, but a quick read of any of the content shows they're needed.

    personally i wouldn't change anything.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:36

    I would like some honest feedback about my blog ... do people get any benefit from it and can they understand it? Is it too dry? Could it be made better?

    I like your blog posts. But I don't read all of them because I'm not into Fantasy F1. That said BBC's Not Mole blog has a weights and predicted stop time and lap times post but it lacks what you have in yours so I prefer to read yours. The graphs are the stand out feature especially useful on the parade lap because often out of left field Mr C will ask a question which I wasn't expecting (which is one of the best bits) and by having your piece of paper in my hand it makes me sound like an expert. So I like your blog. Keep it up.

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:37

    Smart kid

    " I knew some time ago that Alguersuari would get the Toro Rosso drive and I have to say when I first heard the news, I was obviously disappointed,"

    really doesn't match up with the general 'oh yes, I decided to stop being test driver, it was my decision' vibe

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:37

    that reminds me, I like it because its different. If I'm honest I don't read a lot of blogs because its the same thing over and over and over again, but I haven't seen anything else like yours.

    This is also very true.

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:38

    So I just add 'more' as a tag to my post and it does it automatically?

    in this format:

    <!--more-->

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:38

    Sent ;)

    got it. it's a shame he said what he did.

    you have a niche blog that does exactly what it says on the tin. if we need stats we know exactly where to go. everything is cleanly laid out and i approve.

    the homepage does contain a lot of graphs and i guess that can be rather overpowering on first impression, but a quick read of any of the content shows they're needed.

    personally i wouldn't change anything.

    Cheers! :D

    So it's best not to copy his response here, right?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:38

    really doesn't match up with the general 'oh yes, I decided to stop being test driver, it was my decision' vibe

    Sounds like he needs a big sponsor to pay as much as Repsol does...

    100% New Zealand?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 12:39

    How do I do that in 'free' wordpress ... a split post?

    There is a more button on Wordpress, but I only recommend it for long posts. You don't want regular viewers to have to click too much, and you need something to tempt people to read more (ie. Graphs or pictures).

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:39

    really doesn't match up with the general 'oh yes, I decided to stop being test driver, it was my decision' vibe

    Sounds like he needs a big sponsor to pay as much as Repsol does...

    100% New Zealand?

    They wouldn't have $2 million to give him! There'd be an uproar worse than the inflatable rugby ball in paris pallava!

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:40

    The graphs are the stand out feature especially useful on the parade lap because often out of left field Mr C will ask a question which I wasn't expecting (which is one of the best bits) and by having your piece of paper in my hand it makes me sound like an expert.

    illusions = shattered ;)

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:41

    Sounds like he needs a big sponsor to pay as much as Repsol does...

    100% New Zealand?

    the only local sponsor I can see on his overalls is LJ Hooker, a real estate company.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:41

    Guys,

    Thanks a lot for your comments. It's a shame I received what I did, but it's great to know that you guys like it and find it useful, because I made this blog for you guys and that's all that matters really :)

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:41

    the only local sponsor I can see on his overalls is LJ Hooker, a real estate company.

    LJ Hooker? Are you sure they're real estate ;)

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:41

    illusions = shattered ;)

    Whoops :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:41

    the only local sponsor I can see on his overalls is LJ Hooker, a real estate company.

    LJ Hooker? Are you sure they're real estate ;)

    "Thank you Mr. Hooker!"

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:42

    Thanks a lot for your comments. It's a shame I received what I did, but it's great to know that you guys like it and find it useful, because I made this blog for you guys and that's all that matters really :)

    That's the spirit :)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 12:42

    They wouldn't have $2 million to give him! There'd be an uproar worse than the inflatable rugby ball in paris pallava!

    Hehe that sounds like a bad film... what happened?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:43

    The graphs are the stand out feature especially useful on the parade lap because often out of left field Mr C will ask a question which I wasn't expecting (which is one of the best bits) and by having your piece of paper in my hand it makes me sound like an expert.

    illusions = shattered ;)

    Alex is also wicked with graphs - that post about writing your novel draft was excellent!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:43

    illusions = shattered ;)

    Although I do always credit Gavin and I complained on air when we didn't have a post from you, as I did from Ollie. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:44

    illusions = shattered ;)

    Although I do always credit Gavin and I complained on air when we didn't have a post from you, as I did from Ollie. :)

    Ah yeah that's because I had no internet that day ... finished the fuel weights post for Germany while the actual parade lap was circling!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:47

    Alex is also wicked with graphs - that post about writing your novel draft was excellent!

    Ah thanks! There hasn't be a day in probably 15 years (except when actually on holiday before I had a laptop light enough to take with me) that I haven't used excel or numbers.

    And a big part of my day job is the visual display of quantitive information.

    Gavin if you haven't read this then I would suggest you rush out and buy: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_vdqi

    It's a tad expensive but sooooooooo worth it.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:47

    Ah yeah that's because I had no internet that day ... finished the fuel weights post for Germany while the actual parade lap was circling!

    Indeed I wasn't really complaining about you... I just missed it is all :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:48

    Ah yeah that's because I had no internet that day ... finished the fuel weights post for Germany while the actual parade lap was circling!

    Indeed I wasn't really complaining about you... I just missed it is all :)

    :)

    I was missing the internet too!

  • me20/07/2009 at 12:51

    Indeed I wasn't really complaining about you... I just missed it is all :)

    talking of which, i'm loving the ability to watch the replay show back on the ipod. much usefulness, even if i do say so myself!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:53

    talking of which, i'm loving the ability to watch the replay show back on the ipod. much usefulness, even if i do say so myself!

    Me too :)

    If you aren't sure about Edward Tufte here's his video dissecting the design of the iPhone... http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/iphone-video.adp it was made before 3.0 of the software.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:54

    Looks like Schumi got a ride on the Nurburgring Rollercoaster

    So was it closed or not? I thought it didn't have a safety certificate?

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 12:55

    So was it closed or not? I thought it didn't have a safety certificate?

    It wasn't running at full speed

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 12:55

    So was it closed or not? I thought it didn't have a safety certificate?

    They didn't have a certificate to go at it's fastest speed.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 12:56

    So was it closed or not? I thought it didn't have a safety certificate?

    They didn't have a certificate to go at it's fastest speed.

    Pointless then!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 12:56

    So was it closed or not? I thought it didn't have a safety certificate?

    You couldnt give me love nor money to go on that thing

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:01

    Right all, i need some help, as you know i'm doing the 2CV event in a few weeks and was warned "You'll be workign with some seriously experienced guys, so do a lot of research and planning."

    Now, i have the race results from this years 2CV races and the results from the past few 24 hour races....but drivers wont necessarily be in the same cars, and there will be new cars aswell, so i don't really know what kind of research i can do.

    Any thoughts?

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:04

    If you aren't sure about Edward Tufte here's his video dissecting the design of the iPhone... http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/iphone-video.adp it was made before 3.0 of the software.

    ahh, cool. i listen once i've finished the replay. although i am already convinced by the previous link.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 13:05

    Now, i have the race results from this years 2CV races and the results from the past few 24 hour races....but drivers wont necessarily be in the same cars, and there will be new cars aswell, so i don't really know what kind of research i can do.

    Is there any sort of entry list?

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:05

    Any thoughts?

    driver bios. always a good filler. how many races have they done, when did they start?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:06

    Is there any sort of entry list?

    Not until 1-2 weeks before.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:06

    driver bios. always a good filler. how many races have they done, when did they start?

    lots of emailing? check.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 13:06

    Any thoughts?

    Lots of facts about the cars. Top speeds, uh, other technical stuff... help me out people.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 13:07

    Not until 1-2 weeks before.

    That really doesn't help. I'd say contact the teams involved and ask for who might be driving, any info about the cars and drivers etc.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:08

    That really doesn't help. I'd say contact the teams involved and ask for who might be driving, any info about the cars and drivers etc.

    ah but this being my problem, its club motorsport, 90% of teams dont have websites or 'proper' teams.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 13:09

    Any thoughts?

    And stuff about the circuit too, particularly difficult corners, bits the drivers like, if there are any notable things in its history.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 13:09

    Any thoughts?

    Cornering speeds of a 2CV

    Refuelling andf pitstop knowledge

    Driver info and ancedotes - rivalries?

    Funny sponsors?

    Tactics and strategy

    Interviews?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:11

    Refuelling andf pitstop knowledge

    I've got all the regs, and am going to find pictures of all hte cars used so far so that i can easily spot which one is which (cars dont generally change numbers but can change drivers) and am keeping myself up to date on the 2CV race forum, which is providing lots of helpful driver insights

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 13:13

    I've got all the regs, and am going to find pictures of all hte cars used so far so that i can easily spot which one is which (cars dont generally change numbers but can change drivers) and am keeping myself up to date on the 2CV race forum, which is providing lots of helpful driver insights

    Will you have access to information there or do you have to memorise it all?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:16

    Will you have access to information there or do you have to memorise it all?

    I've printed lots of it off, and will probably take a clipboard and pad around with me, so can carry a minimum. and i'll take everything i have with me and put it in my tent just in case.

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:19

    I've printed lots of it off, and will probably take a clipboard and pad around with me, so can carry a minimum. and i'll take everything i have with me and put it in my tent just in case.

    tent? how long are you there for?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:20

    tent? how long are you there for?

    Friday - Sunday

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:21

    Friday - Sunday

    blimey. go you. assumed it was for an afternoon, apologies.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:22

    blimey. go you. assumed it was for an afternoon, apologies.

    24 hour race? ;)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 13:24

    How come you don't have a Sidepodradio show yet, Amy?

    because I was hoping no one would notice :D

    I thought we needed Amy's question asking expertise for the Quiz?

    1 little show wont hurt... :)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 13:25

    That was the 'more' button coming into its own :D

  • Brits on Pole20/07/2009 at 13:26

    @84 Steven Roy

    Thank you for your lovely constructive analysis! Unfortunately, you have set up a straw man. Portraying a different argument from the one we are making and then calling it ridiculous, as well as trying to undermine us on ground we already concede.

    Our actual argument is, in fact, extremely simple and can be expressed in a single sentence: Opinion formers already have it in for F1 and Vatanen's perceived views on climate change will make it worse.

    We think you'll find that the paragraph from the Helsinki newspaper where Vatanen says climate change is the biggest hype he has experienced in his lifetime next to Stalinism is accurate enough.

    We'll be happy to engage with you on the basis of *what we actually said* - but we would suggest maybe reading the original a bit more carefully before commenting on it further.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 13:29

    Our actual argument is, in fact, extremely simple and can be expressed in a single sentence: Opinion formers already have it in for F1 and Vatanen's perceived views on climate change will make it worse.

    What on earth is an 'opinion former' ?

    I dont understand what you are saying will happen, they will make it illegal to race cars?

    I cant see this happening over the next 4 years, I think you are starting with a sensible point then extraperlating it far too much.

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:42

    24 hour race? ;)

    i was listening, honest!

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:42

    What on earth is an 'opinion former' ?

    i've missed something...

  • lou20/07/2009 at 13:42

    Hullo :)

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:42

    i was listening, honest!

    :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:43

    i was listening, honest!

    you will be getting a few voicemails over the weekend im sure :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:43

    Hullo :)

    hello hello!! hows lou today?

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:43

    you will be getting a few voicemails over the weekend im sure :D

    thanks you :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:43

    Hullo :)

    aternooon

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 13:44

    you will be getting a few voicemails over the weekend im sure :D

    Brilliant.

  • lou20/07/2009 at 13:44

    hello hello!! hows lou today?

    i'm good thanks :) feeling much better today, most things in the real world are sorted and am feeling pretty happy. how are you?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 13:44

    i've missed something...

    Comment #84 I think.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 13:45

    i'm good thanks :) feeling much better today, most things in the real world are sorted and am feeling pretty happy. how are you?

    a bit cold-y but good i think :D

  • me20/07/2009 at 13:53

    Comment #84 I think.

    okay, read it now.

    i have to agree with steven on the google translate thing. it's a very dangerous road to go down, lest you wish to accuse campos of building a horse and cart which pedalo must next year run with.

    best thing to do is await kathi's arrival and ask for her opinion. until there's a sensible translation available, everything else is moot.

    sorry BOP people, but google translate is simply a very dangerous tool in anyone's hands. our's more than most, admittedly.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 13:54

    sorry BOP people, but google translate is simply a very dangerous tool in anyone's hands. our's more than most, admittedly.

    Been there, done that, been scolded by Kathi :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 14:02

    Been there, done that, been scolded by Kathi :)

    she hasn't heard last night's show yet either...

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 14:04

    she hasn't heard last night's show yet either...

    Duck and cover?

  • me20/07/2009 at 14:05

    Duck and cover?

    always

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 14:08

    always

    I love how it says "sometimes it even saves his life..." meaning, sometimes it does, sometimes it dosent...meaning...burt is no longer alive...

  • me20/07/2009 at 14:09

    I love how it says "sometimes it even saves his life..." meaning, sometimes it does, sometimes it dosent...meaning...burt is no longer alive...

    you can't say that!!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 14:10

    you can't say that!!

    oooh, but i saw the ending, Burts fine :)

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 14:10

    I love how it says "sometimes it even saves his life..." meaning, sometimes it does, sometimes it dosent...meaning...burt is no longer alive...

    But he ducked and covered!

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 14:12

    But he ducked and covered!

    I heard that Australians wear more fluro vests per capita than any other country. I don't know if this is true but looking around the streets, they really are everywhere. Who needs duck and cover when you have fluro safety vests?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 14:27

    I heard that Australians wear more fluro vests per capita than any other country. I don't know if this is true but looking around the streets, they really are everywhere. Who needs duck and cover when you have fluro safety vests?

    Australia is obsessed. there are isles and isles of different types of fluro clothing. You would think that in such a sunny country people would be able to see each other!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 14:29

    I heard that Australians wear more fluro vests per capita than any other country. I don't know if this is true but looking around the streets, they really are everywhere. Who needs duck and cover when you have fluro safety vests?

    This did make me think of the line: "I like animals, that's why I like to kill 'em".

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 14:29

    Australia is obsessed. there are isles and isles of different types of fluro clothing. You would think that in such a sunny country people would be able to see each other!

    My office only has about 40 staff yet they insist that team leaders wear fluro vests so we can spot them on the floor. It's ridiculous.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 14:32

    My office only has about 40 staff yet they insist that team leaders wear fluro vests so we can spot them on the floor. It's ridiculous.

    The have to wear them inside? That is nuts...

    When i was living in a hostel in Brisbane, one of the guys in my room had to wear a full on fluro suit, trousers, gloves, hat and all.. He went to work at 5 and literally glowed across the room as he left

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 14:34

    When i was living in a hostel in Brisbane, one of the guys in my room had to wear a full on fluro suit, trousers, gloves, hat and all.. He went to work at 5 and literally glowed across the room as he left

    Was his job as a host of "tight 'n' bright" themed parties? :D

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 14:35

    Apparently Henry Surtees was worried about the lack of effective wheel tethering at the first race of the F2 calendar

    http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/07/wheel-tethers-in-formula-two.html

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 14:36

    Was his job as a host of "tight 'n' bright" themed parties? :D

    haha, I think he was working on the railway!

    But it was a scary sight to see!

  • Amy20/07/2009 at 14:44

    righteo, I am off to bed. See you all tomorrow sidepodland :D

  • Becken20/07/2009 at 14:44

    Here a link with the start at Brno:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx_ryh8cBkY&feature=related

  • RG20/07/2009 at 14:44

    righteo, I am off to bed. See you all tomorrow sidepodland :D

    See ya Amy.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 14:46

    Night Amy

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 14:47

    Apparently Henry Surtees was worried about the lack of effective wheel tethering at the first race of the F2 calendar

    http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/07/wheel-tethers-in-formula-two.html

    I think its a hard one, like has been said before, where do you put the limit for the wheel teathers? No series is without its risks, even sportscars.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 14:56

    I think its a hard one, like has been said before, where do you put the limit for the wheel teathers? No series is without its risks, even sportscars.

    2 or 3 years ago f1 had proper wheel teathers which withstood really big accidents. I dont know what they have changed but clearly this season wheels have been flying off a lot more easily...

    If the technology isn't being used, you have to ask why?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 14:57

    2 or 3 years ago f1 had proper wheel teathers which withstood really big accidents. I dont know what they have changed but clearly this season wheels have been flying off a lot more easily...

    They aren't meant to keep the wheelson, they are just meant to take some of the momentum from the wheel instead of making the car an even bigger moving bullet

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 15:06

    They aren't meant to keep the wheelson, they are just meant to take some of the momentum from the wheel instead of making the car an even bigger moving bullet

    What i am trying to say though is, they have kept the wheels on effectivly in the past, have they been changed?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v1ZyotPJ_0 2004

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km30TS8QC1g 2005

  • Journeyer20/07/2009 at 15:07

    Apparently Henry Surtees was worried about the lack of effective wheel tethering at the first race of the F2 calendar

    http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/07/wheel-tethers-in-formula-two.html

    Joe has also said his piece on the incident.

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/the-surtees-accident/

  • Journeyer20/07/2009 at 15:07

    righteo, I am off to bed. See you all tomorrow sidepodland :D

    Night, Amy. ;)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 15:10

    Joe has also said his piece on the incident.

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/the-surtees-accident/

    Steven should comment on what he says about the wall being to close, its a slightly different theory

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 15:12

    Joe has also said his piece on the incident.

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/the-surtees-accident/

    yep, hes exactly right

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 15:12

    Steven should comment on what he says about the wall being to close, its a slightly different theory

    what does steven think?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 15:14

    What i am trying to say though is, they have kept the wheels on effectivly in the past, have they been changed?

    i do see what you mean, and it all depends on the angle/speed/type of crash.the cars are of 2005 F1 safety standards (but only interms of the monocoque i think)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 15:15

    what does steven think?

    I cant be certain on this but i think his point was that the problem is not the proximity of the barrier but its angle. It would be better to have the barrier closer than to have it at the angle it currently is at.

    Hope i got that right Steven!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 15:20

    I cant be certain on this but i think his point was that the problem is not the proximity of the barrier but its angle. It would be better to have the barrier closer than to have it at the angle it currently is at.

    Its at that angle because of cars coming round that corner, i.e the corner before he came off is directly inline with that barrier. its just that he's spinning coming out that corner so hits the barrier at a funny angle

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 15:32

    Its at that angle because of cars coming round that corner, i.e the corner before he came off is directly inline with that barrier. its just that he's spinning coming out that corner so hits the barrier at a funny angle

    I was speculating that it was at that angle because of the steep slope behind it being at that angle.

    But i better leave it at that, i haven't been there so i dont know the geography beyond what i have seen on TV; and i am sure Steven could make his point a lot better than i can!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 15:40

    But i better leave it at that, i haven't been there so i dont know the geography beyond what i have seen on TV; and i am sure Steven could make his point a lot better than i can!

    I've walked round the GP circuit before and having read/heard stuff about Brands before, i know they couldnt move the barrier out any more, there is literally no more room.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 15:51

    For anyone obsessed with the wiki like me, I have found the Birthdays calendar thing a nightmare to use. It's all wonky, as well.

    Thinking about making a tidier table, but wanna make sure no one minds? Have done a bit as an example.

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Birthdays

  • RG20/07/2009 at 15:57

    Thinking about making a tidier table, but wanna make sure no one minds? Have done a bit as an example.

    Me likey that idea. More organised.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 15:59

    Me likey that idea. More organised.

    Ace. Will continue. Thanks RG.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 16:00

    Ace. Will continue. Thanks RG.

    Need any help, just call. or comment.

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 16:26

    "the more i think about it, all this cheaper racing is great but surely we have to think about what a good set of wheel tethers would cost..."

    Karun Chandhok

    I found this tweet a bit disturbing - does this mean F2 cars do not have tethers or are they not as high quality as on other racing car series?

  • Scott in Italy20/07/2009 at 16:37

    if anyone is interested in hearing me on radio, and practicing their french..

    http://www.idfm98.fr/

    i might get involved in the sidepodradio but i'm a little swamped at the moment. sounds a great idea!

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 16:50

    if anyone is interested in hearing me on radio, and practicing their french..

    http://www.idfm98.fr/

    i might get involved in the sidepodradio but i'm a little swamped at the moment. sounds a great idea!

    Ooh, we'd love to have you on. Even if it's just a voicemail that would be awesome :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 16:55

    I found this tweet a bit disturbing - does this mean F2 cars do not have tethers or are they not as high quality as on other racing car series?

    f2 use f1 spec wheel tethers. karun was not at brands yesterday.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 16:55

    if anyone is interested in hearing me on radio, and practicing their french..

    http://www.idfm98.fr/

    i might get involved in the sidepodradio but i'm a little swamped at the moment. sounds a great idea!

    Ah the man i have been looking for!

    I have a show on in the evening called who's starting line is it anyway.

    Bacicly i give you an f1 driver and a scenario and you have to improvise a scene with the other person...

    I need 4 contestants, i have 3... are you interested?

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:03

    Evening

  • Scott in Italy20/07/2009 at 17:03

    Ooh, we'd love to have you on. Even if it's just a voicemail that would be awesome :)

    I want to do something. I just need to plan my time a bit at the moment cos things are a little non-sidepodcast friendly ;) Will ponder things tonight.

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:03

    Unfortunately Mav is on holiday on the 2nd :(

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 17:04

    Evening

    Hey there... I have my Mug!

  • Scott in Italy20/07/2009 at 17:04

    I need 4 contestants, i have 3... are you interested?

    I am interested. Will consult my secretary and get back to you. But how? will i enroll myself on the wiki?

  • Scott in Italy20/07/2009 at 17:04

    Evening

    Hiya :)

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:05

    Hey there... I have my Mug!

    Excellent .. did it come out okay?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 17:05

    I am interested. Will consult my secretary and get back to you. But how? will i enroll myself on the wiki?

    Yeah that sounds good... there is a question mark in the 4th slot at the moment!

  • RG20/07/2009 at 17:05

    Unfortunately Mav is on holiday on the 2nd :(

    Hey Jackie.

    One thing I'm wondering is how the quiz will work?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 17:05

    Excellent .. did it come out okay?

    looks amazing... Will dropio!

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:05

    One thing I'm wondering is how the quiz will work?

    Is there a quiz without Mav?

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:05

    looks amazing... Will dropio!

    Coolio :D

  • Scott in Italy20/07/2009 at 17:07

    Yeah that sounds good... there is a question mark in the 4th slot at the moment!

    I won't be around tomorrow so if someone else takes it within 36 hours, then I'll have to appear somewhere else in the lineup.

  • me20/07/2009 at 17:12

    I found this tweet a bit disturbing - does this mean F2 cars do not have tethers or are they not as high quality as on other racing car series?

    f2 use f1 spec wheel tethers. karun was not at brands yesterday.

    a good article from racecar engineering re: what was and was not being driven at brands yesterday.

  • me20/07/2009 at 17:13

    Is there a quiz without Mav?

    can be pre-recorded and played out.

  • Scott in Italy20/07/2009 at 17:13

    two stories the world needs to see: giant jellyfish in japan and the redneck games that were on last week

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:14

    can be pre-recorded and played out.

    Unfortunately he won't be around for that either, I did suggest that. But .. I have asked PM, not sure if he'll do it though

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:15

    Unfortunately he won't be around for that either, I did suggest that. But .. I have asked PM, not sure if he'll do it though

    If not, you'll just have to make do with me

  • me20/07/2009 at 17:16

    If not, you'll just have to make do with me

    if your questions are less tricky, we welcome you with open arms ;)

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:17

    if your questions are less tricky, we welcome you with open arms ;)

    sniffle sniffle :(

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 17:17

    My awesome Mug, thanks so much Jackie!

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/mug-1-jpg

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/mug-2-jpg

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/mug-3-jpg

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:17

    Mav will help me get some questions though so that part will be 50:50. I've just had a thought... wonder if Lou would help

  • me20/07/2009 at 17:17

    My awesome Mug, thanks so much Jackie!

    wow! love that.

  • me20/07/2009 at 17:18

    Mav will help me get some questions though so that part will be 50:50. I've just had a thought... wonder if Lou would help

    i like thoughts like that...

  • RG20/07/2009 at 17:18

    My awesome Mug, thanks so much Jackie!

    I'm finishing last next time, me wants one.

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:18

    My awesome Mug, thanks so much Jackie!

    Ooh, it looks good. Glad you like it, you are most welcome... I want one noe LOL

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 17:21

    Right, am off for something to eat.. be back in about an hour. If anyone see's Lou would you ask if she's interested?

  • me20/07/2009 at 17:21

    Right, am off for something to eat.. be back in about an hour. If anyone see's Lou would you ask if she's interested?

    can do.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 17:30

    My awesome Mug, thanks so much Jackie!

    thats awesome

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 17:39

    Evening all.

    I would like some honest feedback about my blog ... do people get any benefit from it and can they understand it? Is it too dry? Could it be made better?

    I find it hard to get my head around the concepts and the graphs are a very useful tool to help explain it. If you could also title the graphs that would be helpful as sometimes I'm not sure what I'm looking at. I know it says it in the text, it just helps make it click for some reason.

    Can you turn that Snap thing off though? You try and mouseover the graph to follow it and that window pops up, very annoying!

    My problem with the race fuel analyses is that race-fuel qualifying just isn't very interesting to me. I don't want to have it explained to me by graphs and things. To be honest if they banned race fuel qualifying entirely I'd be very happy and we can focus on lap time comparisons.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 17:42

    Story about Henry is on BBC Londn News now

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 17:45

    I've got all the regs, and am going to find pictures of all hte cars used so far so that i can easily spot which one is which (cars dont generally change numbers but can change drivers) and am keeping myself up to date on the 2CV race forum, which is providing lots of helpful driver insights

    I'm assuming this means you've introduced yourself there? If you tell them who you are and what you're doing they should fall over themselves to help.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 17:52

    I found this tweet a bit disturbing - does this mean F2 cars do not have tethers or are they not as high quality as on other racing car series?

    I can't imagine an FIA series not having tethers.. but I do wonder if they are F1-strength.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 17:54

    f2 use f1 spec wheel tethers. karun was not at brands yesterday.

    Where did you find this? I looked on the official F2 site's tech specs last night and I couldn't see it mentioned.

    I did wonder if Karun jumped to conclusions like a lot of Twitterers did last night.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 17:56

    a good article from racecar engineering re: what was and was not being driven at brands yesterday.

    Ahh, thanks.

  • me20/07/2009 at 17:57

    Ahh, thanks.

    no worries. i think james allen updated his article earlier after checking up too.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 17:57

    a good article from racecar engineering re: what was and was not being driven at brands yesterday.

    Just saw their tweet of this, will RT.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 17:58

    Where did you find this? I looked on the official F2 site's tech specs last night and I couldn't see it mentioned.

    I did wonder if Karun jumped to conclusions like a lot of Twitterers did last night.

    I hope for his sake that nobody at the FIA saw what Karun wrote, or he could end up having a very frustrating career...

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 17:58

    My awesome Mug, thanks so much Jackie!

    Nice :-)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:02

    I am doing this goodwood video... I hate all the parts with me in them... i am clearly an idiot... Why do people not tell me this on a regular basis?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:06

    I am doing this goodwood video... I hate all the parts with me in them... i am clearly an idiot... Why do people not tell me this on a regular basis?

    You are an idiot.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 18:09

    Evening all.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:10

    Evening all.

    Hi.

    Things are very quiet here today it seems.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:10

    Evening all.

    Hellllo lukeh

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:10

    Oh Windows...

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/windows-fail-jpg

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:13

    Oh Windows...

    oops. what did you do?

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:13

    Evening all.

    *waves*

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:13

    Oh Windows...

    oh dear! Is that actually a lot of boxes, or is that the thing where you drag it around and it leaves lots of drawings of boxes behind it..?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:16

    oops. what did you do?

    I think i tried to get premiere to open too many files at once...

    It lost everything i had done so far :( luckily that wasnt much!

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:16

    oh dear! Is that actually a lot of boxes, or is that the thing where you drag it around and it leaves lots of drawings of boxes behind it..?

    Draggy roundy thingy

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:17

    I think i tried to get premiere to open too many files at once...

    you asked windows to multitask?

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 18:18

    Hi.

    Things are very quiet here today it seems.

    I wish I had a quiet day :(

    Although Radio 1 just played Muse's new song as soon as I got in whcih was lovely :D

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:19

    you asked windows to multitask?

    I just asked it to open. It said no. Closed.

    I think i need a mac to do this!

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:19

    I think i need a mac to do this!

    Thats pushing it.

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:20

    I think i need a mac to do this!

    video? yes.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:23

    My naration is really rubbish... I was going to give everyone a guided tour of goodwood, for the people who have never been but i think this was too ambitious, maybe i should just do the action? maybe some music over the bits where i am just walking around?

  • Maverick20/07/2009 at 18:28

    Good evening

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:30

    Good evening

    evening

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 18:31

    Good evening

    Fancy meeting you here!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:32

    My naration is really rubbish... I was going to give everyone a guided tour of goodwood, for the people who have never been but i think this was too ambitious, maybe i should just do the action? maybe some music over the bits where i am just walking around?

    it might not be as bad as you think

  • Maverick20/07/2009 at 18:32

    I just noticed that Mrs C had been editing the Birthdays page in the wiki and went to have a nose...

    ...is there any reason why there are no Mondays in December?

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:33

    ...is there any reason why there are no Mondays in December?

    Its all getting changed, I wouldn't worry about it now. New format coming up.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:33

    it might not be as bad as you think

    Its not just that, the camera is too low and shakey!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:35

    Its not just that, the camera is too low and shakey!

    that's how all the cool kids make movies now

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:35

    Its not just that, the camera is too low and shakey!

    no tripod?

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:35

    Good evening

    Fancy meeting you here!

    :P

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:35

    that's how all the cool kids make movies now

    Hey, we use tripods y'know.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 18:35

    Evening all :)

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:36

    Evening all :)

    Good evening Mr Woodwiss

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 18:36

    Evening all :)

    Evening sire

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:37

    no tripod?

    But i am waking around goodwood making silly coments as i go!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:40

    Evening all :)

    hey

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 18:47

    Hello sidepodcast

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:48

    Hello sidepodcast

    Helllllo Steven.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 18:48

    Everyone having a good day

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:48

    Evening, lots of people ariving, nobody talking.

    Tis like the pub with no beer. ;)

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:48

    Hello sidepodcast

    Hi. Message for you from Brits On Pole, somewhere down there. I read it at work today when I was supposed to be doing other things.

  • Jackie / saltire20/07/2009 at 18:49

    Everyone having a good day

    Hey Steven :D

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:49

    Evening, lots of people ariving, nobody talking.

    Tis like the pub with no beer. ;)

    Am just watching the cricket highlights finish while awaiting my food. Hungry so brain not working right

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:50

    Tis like the pub with no beer. ;)

    Theres nothing to talk about.

    Oooh, a bird just flew past...

  • Maverick20/07/2009 at 18:50

    Tis like the pub with no beer. ;)

    Speak for yourself :-)

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 18:51

    Hi. Message for you from Brits On Pole, somewhere down there. I read it at work today when I was supposed to be doing other things.

    I will dig it out. I assume they are not happy with me

  • Maverick20/07/2009 at 18:52

    Oooh, a bird just flew past...

    Was it a Norwegian Blue parrot?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:53

    I will dig it out. I assume they are not happy with me

    I think they claimed you were in the scarecrow building industry

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 18:53

    NASA TV is beyond clueless. Just tuned in and they are doing interviews about the past and future of the space program while there is a spacewalk going on. We needto take that over and save NASA from themselves

  • RG20/07/2009 at 18:53

    Was it a Norwegian Blue parrot?

    I think they call it a, pigeon

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 18:53

    Was it a Norwegian Blue parrot?

    Did it look like it was pining for the fjords?

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 18:55

    I think they claimed you were in the scarecrow building industry

    This from people who want to decide the FIA president based on something they have translated online and then tweaked despite having no knowledge of the language

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 18:55

    f2 use f1 spec wheel tethers. karun was not at brands yesterday.

    Thanks I could not find anything about this, but considering Karun said the following in an earlier tweet...

    "just saw the news about surtees.... very surreal considering i saw him yesterday at brands. really feel for his parents..." so he was at Brands on Saturday.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 18:55

    I dub thee Baron Sugar of Clapton

    heheheheh

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8159429.stm

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:56

    "just saw the news about surtees.... very surreal considering i saw him yesterday at brands. really feel for his parents..." so he was at Brands on Saturday.

    The fact he tweeted what he tweeted before suggests he isn't the sharpest tool in the box though...

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 18:57

    Just placed my order on Amazon for a Logitech DriveFX wheel for my 360. :D

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:57

    "just saw the news about surtees.... very surreal considering i saw him yesterday at brands. really feel for his parents..." so he was at Brands on Saturday.

    fair enough, we know he wasn't on sunday.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 18:57

    Also, there's been a 259 car pile up in Germany. 66 people are reported dead :(

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159290.stm

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 18:57

    I dub thee Baron Sugar of Clapton

    Does this mean the economy is going to underperfom like his business's?

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:57

    I dub thee Baron Sugar of Clapton

    baron alan??

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 18:58

    Also, there's been a 259 car pile up in Germany. 66 people are reported injured* :(

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159290.stm

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 18:58

    baron alan??

    ooooh yes

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:58

    Does this mean the economy is going to underperfom like his business's?

    or the government will have one good idea and then try and milk it for the next 40 years.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 18:58

    Also, there's been a 259 car pile up in Germany. 66 people are reported dead :(

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159290.stm

    earlier it was 100 cars and 60 people injured....bad times

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:58

    "just saw the news about surtees.... very surreal considering i saw him yesterday at brands. really feel for his parents..." so he was at Brands on Saturday.

    I saw tweets from him on Sunday.. I think it was him. Wasn't he the one doing a kart race in Milton Keynes or was that someone else?

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 18:58

    I hope for his sake that nobody at the FIA saw what Karun wrote, or he could end up having a very frustrating career...

    Your concerns were similar to mine - I actually I have enjoyed Karun tweets as they really allow you a little bit into to seeing life from a motor racing drivers' view. Mr C has confirmed they use the same tethers as in a F1 car.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 18:58

    You know, I haven't watched Top Gear yet. Was in my RWS WTCC race at Pau so had to miss it. To the iPlayer!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 18:58

    fair enough, we know he wasn't on sunday.

    I guess that answers my question!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 18:59

    I saw tweets from him on Sunday.. I think it was him. Wasn't he the one doing a kart race in Milton Keynes or was that someone else?

    Will Buxton was yeah

  • me20/07/2009 at 18:59

    I guess that answers my question!

    i am inside your mind.

    *waves*

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 18:59

    You know, I haven't watched Top Gear yet. Was in my RWS WTCC race at Pau so had to miss it. To the iPlayer!

    Oooh that reminds me, i have to iplayer Moto GP, apparently it was goood

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 19:00

    *looks at proper pics of Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor*

    Woah.

    Retro!

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 19:00

    i am inside your mind.

    *waves*

    Do you live in his eyes as well? (Bill Bailey reference there :D )

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:00

    I hope for his sake that nobody at the FIA saw what Karun wrote, or he could end up having a very frustrating career...

    He is very safe from any FIA attack. His father was considering running for presifent and only decided against it atthe last moment

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:00

    Do you live in his eyes as well? (Bill Bailey reference there :D )

    :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:01

    I hope for his sake that nobody at the FIA saw what Karun wrote, or he could end up having a very frustrating career...

    What did he say?

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:01

    Oooh that reminds me, i have to iplayer Moto GP, apparently it was goood

    Definitely worth a watch

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:01

    Also, there's been a 259 car pile up in Germany. 66 people are reported injured* :(

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8159290.stm

    !!!

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:01

    Definitely worth a watch

    See ya in 50 odd minutes then

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:02

    i am inside your mind.

    I really need to read ahead don't i

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 19:02

    See ya in 50 odd minutes then

    Same here

    *Top Gear starts on iPlayer.*

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:02

    See ya in 50 odd minutes then

    Nah, i can multitask ;)

    I'll just use the pop out player, i have to do some 2CV work too, woop woop

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:03

    Now....i really don't like watching football at all...BUT...it does bring a smile my face when something like this happens...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/8158802.stm

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:03

    What did he say?

    Something about how cheap racing is a good idea, but how much do you really save by not putting wheel tethers on the car.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:03

    *Top Gear starts on iPlayer.*

    5th gear just started on 5

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:04

    Something about how cheap racing is a good idea, but how much do you really save by not putting wheel tethers on the car.

    Ah i read something similar to that on a blog comment. Silly people

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:06

    Now....i really don't like watching football at all...BUT...it does bring a smile my face when something like this happens...

    Aww, 27-0. Why can't we beat minnows 27-0. We only beat Bournemouth 3-0. I want to win 27-0. Not fair.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:06

    Ah i read something similar to that on a blog comment. Silly people

    Its one thing for a fan to write it on a blog, its another for an ambitious driver to criticize the FIA and williams without foundation.

    I am not following him, but i find it surprising he hasn't apologised

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:06

    I'll just use the pop out player, i have to do some 2CV work too, woop woop

    When is the 2CV race Jon?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:06

    Aww, 27-0. Why can't we beat minnows 27-0. We only beat Bournemouth 3-0. I want to win 27-0. Not fair.

    Isn't the win the important bit?

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:07

    Isn't the win the important bit?

    Its a friendly and we want to look good.

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 19:07

    What did he say?

    Something about how cheap racing is a good idea, but how much do you really save by not putting wheel tethers on the car.

    I put Karun direct quotes (tweets - karunchandhok) in this comment stream earlier. Hopefully it does not get picked up by a silly website (you know who I mean) and reported on.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:08

    When is the 2CV race Jon?

    7-9 August

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:09

    7-9 August

    Gonna make an effort to listen, just for you.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 19:09

    I love Jezza's joy at finally fixing something :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:09

    Gonna make an effort to listen, just for you.

    Arent you nice :D

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:10

    Arent you nice :D

    Well I sure am

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:11

    I put Karun direct quotes (tweets - karunchandhok) in this comment stream earlier. Hopefully it does not get picked up by a silly website (you know who I mean) and reported on.

    I'm assuming you mean a certain agency rather than the people involved in the discussion earlier. BOP are usually pretty good.

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 19:13

    Its one thing for a fan to write it on a blog, its another for an ambitious driver to criticize the FIA and williams without foundation.

    To be honest neither FIA nor Williams are mentioned - it was a tweet and he is a GP2 not a F2 driver. It was not very bright - lets just leave it as he is obviously also concerned and has shown sympathy publicly to the Surtees family as has Felipe (on his website) and Jenson (in a tweet). His ;latest tweet was that dad was in the kitchen cooking up his famous Dal for dinner.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:14

    7-9 August

    Shame it wasn't a week earlier or you could have been the on site reporter for sidepodradio.

    Are your preparations going well?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:16

    Are your preparations going well?

    Ish, theres not a great deal i can do as its club racing (I.e no driver sites/team sites) but i've got a list of all the drivers and their results this season which im currently working on, and i now have photos of each car so i can learn which is which. Other than that, i'm just reading through regs, i've got a documentary about 2CV that i'm going to watch again a few times, learn some tech regs, and keep an eye on the 2CV race forum. Any idea for anything else you think i should look into?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:17

    Ish, theres not a great deal i can do as its club racing (I.e no driver sites/team sites) but i've got a list of all the drivers and their results this season which im currently working on, and i now have photos of each car so i can learn which is which. Other than that, i'm just reading through regs, i've got a documentary about 2CV that i'm going to watch again a few times, learn some tech regs, and keep an eye on the 2CV race forum. Any idea for anything else you think i should look into?

    Where and when is the race before the 24hr? Can you go?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:19

    Where and when is the race before the 24hr? Can you go?

    Its on Snetterton on 8th and 9th August, its open to the public and being a club race i should think you can get into the pits to meet people and see the cars (the ones that are broken...) up close. And you get to hear your very own sidepodfriend :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:21

    Its on Snetterton on .....

    Good english there...

    It's AT Snetterton

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:21

    Its on Snetterton on 8th and 9th August, its open to the public and being a club race i should think you can get into the pits to meet people and see the cars (the ones that are broken...) up close. And you get to hear your very own sidepodfriend :D

    That's not what I asked :-)

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:22

    I am annoyed at my bank, they have not done what I asked them to.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:22

    Does anyone know how to make a clip play at double speed in Adobe premiere elements?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:22

    That's not what I asked :-)

    whoooooopsiedoodles.

    i really should read the question.

    the race before it has already gone, was at the end of last month at oulton

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:24

    Something about how cheap racing is a good idea, but how much do you really save by not putting wheel tethers on the car.

    Ah i read something similar to that on a blog comment. Silly people

    i almost tried to do the same thing for the show yesterday though. i was working on the angle that max cut to many corners in his insistence that a series could be made so cheaply.

    after about 30mins research, using nothing but google it became clear that all modern open-wheel series run wheel tethers these days and f2 was no different.

    am surprised karun didn't know this mind you.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:24

    the race before it has already gone, was at the end of last month at oulton

    ah ok, Oulton would probably have been a fair old trek as well.

    do you know where you will be talking from?

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 19:25

    Does anyone know how to make a clip play at double speed in Adobe premiere elements?

    Put play speed at 200%? I used it when I was in 6th form so I have a vague memory of how it works.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:26

    ah ok, Oulton would probably have been a fair old trek as well.

    do you know where you will be talking from?

    some pits stuff and commentary box stuff aswell...potentially, i asked more for pits stuff, but i'll do whatever really.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:26

    Put play speed at 200%? I used it when I was in 6th form so I have a vague memory of how it works.

    That should be it.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:26

    I need a cup of tea.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:26

    Put play speed at 200%? I used it when I was in 6th form so I have a vague memory of how it works.

    Though to be fair, I used it in February and forgot, so don't worry.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:26

    Does anyone know how to make a clip play at double speed in Adobe premiere elements?

    Put play speed at 200%? I used it when I was in 6th form so I have a vague memory of how it works.

    I think i have worked out a way to do it using the time line...

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 19:26

    I'm assuming you mean a certain agency rather than the people involved in the discussion earlier. BOP are usually pretty good.

    Agency and certain website(s). In other words it should not be quoted as factual. A number of threads on discussion forums do say similar stuff - at least we now know F2 cars use the same tethers as F1 cars.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:27

    some pits stuff and commentary box stuff aswell...potentially, i asked more for pits stuff, but i'll do whatever really.

    cool :-)

    how do they identify the cars at night?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:27

    cool :-)

    how do they identify the cars at night?

    hahaha, i have no idea, i'm struggling with full light. some put coloured lights on top of their cars apparently

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 19:29

    after about 30mins research, using nothing but google it became clear that all modern open-wheel series run wheel tethers these days and f2 was no different.

    I could not find any source supporting this - but it would be what we would call "best practise". The poor Surtees family though - such a freak accident and Henry so young - very bad luck.

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:30

    I could not find any source supporting this

    i found plenty saying they were in the design, but nothing until today said they were also to f1 standard.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:31

    i found plenty saying they were in the design, but nothing until today said they were also to f1 standard.

    A question... I seem to remember the first edition F1 tethers weren't strong enough so they made them double-tethers. My question is.. when was this change made?

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:32

    Agency and certain website(s). In other words it should not be quoted as factual. A number of threads on discussion forums do say similar stuff - at least we now know F2 cars use the same tethers as F1 cars.

    one thing i haven't managed to clarify yet, is i thought that f1 now used two tethers per wheel (at varying strengths)? if that's the case how many do f2 use?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 19:33

    one thing i haven't managed to clarify yet, is i thought that f1 now used two tethers per wheel (at varying strengths)? if that's the case how many do f2 use?

    Are you and Pat the same person or what? :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:33

    Are you and Pat the same person or what? :)

    very, very scary!!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:34

    one thing i haven't managed to clarify yet, is i thought that f1 now used two tethers per wheel (at varying strengths)? if that's the case how many do f2 use?

    See now I'm reading your mind.. my next question would have been were the 2005 regs one tether or two? And if one, was that year chosen because it is a junior formula?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:34

    one thing i haven't managed to clarify yet, is i thought that f1 now used two tethers per wheel (at varying strengths)? if that's the case how many do f2 use?

    Do they still do this?

    Earlier I posted some videos of ralph at Indy, a few years back showing how the wheels seemed to stay on the car a lot better then than what we have seen in F1 this year.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:34

    Are you and Pat the same person or what? :)

    Hah :-)

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:35

    Earlier I posted some videos of ralph at Indy, a few years back showing how the wheels seemed to stay on the car a lot better then than what we have seen in F1 this year.

    i saw them, but they were a different type of accident, so i don't think it's comparable.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:38

    i saw them, but they were a different type of accident, so i don't think it's comparable.

    I thought they looked pretty similar to the impacts we had at Melbourne, perhaps even faster, but the tethers held...

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:39

    oh so very, very dear:

    "It seems very strange that the wheels came off like that in the span of a few seconds from two different car crashes. Wheels coming off have not been seen in any Formula in recent times." says Grand Prix 2 driver Karun Chandhok.

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 19:40

    Earlier I posted some videos of ralph at Indy, a few years back showing how the wheels seemed to stay on the car a lot better then than what we have seen in F1 this year.

    i saw them, but they were a different type of accident, so i don't think it's comparable.

    Here is a direct quote from Jonathan Palmer...

    "The Williams F1 designed Formula 2 cars comply with the FIA 2005 F1 safety standards, including the fitment of wheel tethers to reduce the risk of wheels coming off in accidents. The F2 car also includes the latest F1 standards of driver head protection with high cockpit sides and lateral deformable structures. As with F1 however, wheel tethers cannot provide an absolute guarantee that a wheel will not come off in an accident and in a single-seater race car the front of the head is inevitably exposed to the risk, however small, of being hit by another car or component."

    source: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77102

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:40

    I thought they looked pretty similar to the impacts we had at Melbourne, perhaps even faster, but the tethers held...

    the videos you found were from a banked oval though?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:41

    "It seems very strange that the wheels came off like that in the span of a few seconds from two different car crashes. Wheels coming off have not been seen in any Formula in recent times." says Grand Prix 2 driver Karun Chandhok.

    I am amazed at the ignorance of some drivers.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:41

    "It seems very strange that the wheels came off like that in the span of a few seconds from two different car crashes. Wheels coming off have not been seen in any Formula in recent times." says Grand Prix 2 driver Karun Chandhok.

    The guy is clearly a joke, who doesn't know what he is spouting off about.

    Good luck with that super licence application....

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:41

    I am amazed at the ignorance of some drivers.

    he's a commentator right? someone has to take the mic from him asap.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:42

    he's a commentator right? someone has to take the mic from him asap.

    he drives in GP2.

    My only explanation is its either

    a) heat of a moment thing or

    b) mistranslation or miscommunication he has had.

  • Rachel20/07/2009 at 19:42

    Evening :)

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:43

    Evening :)

    Helllllo Rachel

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:43

    the videos you found were from a banked oval though?

    But it was an impact from hitting a wall after not being able to take a corner... I dont think the banking makes much difference..

    Of course no too accidents are the same, but my main point was that 04-06 there were far fewer incidents where wheels flew off compared to now.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:43

    he's a commentator right? someone has to take the mic from him asap.

    Not that I am aware of, unless he is on a feed I don't watch, maybe he works for Indian or Asian TV.

  • Rachel20/07/2009 at 19:44

    Helllllo Rachel

    Hehe lllls.

    did you see Harry Potter in the end?

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:44

    Brits on Pole

    Our actual argument is, in fact, extremely simple and can be expressed in a single sentence: Opinion formers already have it in for F1 and Vatanen's perceived views on climate change will make it worse.

    Shame you didn't just say that in your post.

    Yesterday on this site we spent a lot of time discussing people using online translation services and publishing news based on this flawed method. You not only used such a service but then modified the result despite having no knowledge of the language concerned. If you have a basis for your argument about Vatanen's views I will give you a serious response but if you are going to use such a flawed method then I am going to be instantly dismissive as I was last night.

    We have had almost two decades of Bernie foing what he wants with F1 aided by his sidekick in the president's office. The WRC has been destroyed to make sure it is not a threat to F1 the WSC no longer exists because it was becoming too popular.

    Max gave Bernie a century's worth of commercial rights for $3 million per year when Bernie is charging several times that for a single race and then almost over night Bernie sold on the rights for about 10 times what he paid for them with none of that going to the FIA. Allegedly quite a lot of it made its way into Max's pocket which necessitated his hasty departure to Monaco.

    Part of the process of building F1 into the cash cow it is today was to take Ferrari from being a complete shambles into being the pre-eminent team. This Bernie and Max did with the involvement of Todt. We know of some very dodgy deals that were done to ensure this happened including Ferrari having a veto on technology of other teams and Ferrari having a massive financial advantage. No doubt there are others that have yet to become public.

    Vatanen may attracet some heat from the green lobby and if the choice was him or someone squeaky clean with no association with the current regime that may be enough to sway me but that is not the case.

    We have the option of Vatanen with a possible green trouble or a continuation of the current corrupt regime. Aside from the known failings of Ecclestone and Mosley we have Max's chief henchman Donnelly who wiped any reference of Ferrari being a customer from his company's website at the time of his appointment and has more recently has taken an interest in the Manor team and despite supposedly being part of the stewarding process has spent time at races trying to break FOTA.

    We have also had his involvement in the Spa farce last year where he carried out the driver interviews but the stewards signed the judgement. Then at the ICA hearing into this incident we had Charlie Whiting being proved as lying during the hearing when he made comments about Tony Scott-Andrews which McLaren's QC proved were lies by producing a signed statement from TSA.

    Of course we now know that that judgement adn the Massa non-penalty in Valencia were part of a back door deal with Ferrari. Whiting is also culpable for the illegal Ferrari which won the forst race of 2007 which lead to the whole spy nonsense. Nigel Stepney who was responsible for ensuring that the Ferrari complied with the rules noticed that the floor was a mass damper and therefore illegal. He reported this to the management headed by Jean Todt who told him they were going to race it anyway.

    Stepney then sought clarification from Whiting who never replied to him but somehow a car which both Todt and Whiting knew was illegal passed scrutineering and won the race (the points from which eventually made Raikkonen champion) only for the floor to be declared illegal for future races.

    I really could spend the rest of the night adding to my argument but I really don't see the point. We have a choice of continuing with the current corrupt regime or replacing it with Vatanen and maybe taking a little heat from the green lobby. Of course he could do something green like generating several thousand tonnes of carbon dioxide developing many KERS systems which never worked.

    In an effort to ensure clarity I should point out that everything I have said is public domain and no online translation was used.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:44

    a) heat of a moment thing or

    b) mistranslation or miscommunication he has had.

    It wouldn't be a mistranslation, I'm fairly sure he's lived here since F3 and that was ages ago

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:44

    Evening :)

    Hi

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:45

    Not that I am aware of, unless he is on a feed I don't watch, maybe he works for Indian or Asian TV.

    think he turns up on starsports asia during f1 races.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 19:45

    did you see Harry Potter in the end?

    Yes. Thought about running away when I went to go to the toilet, thought about logistics and realised it would take a long while to go home.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:45

    This is me following instructions ;)

    ""It's now confirmed that the webcast will be broadcast on the club website, www.2cvracing.org.uk"

    Full coverage of the commentary of the 2CV 24 Hour Race from Snetterton"

    Plug over.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:46

    Ish, theres not a great deal i can do as its club racing (I.e no driver sites/team sites) but i've got a list of all the drivers and their results this season which im currently working on, and i now have photos of each car so i can learn which is which. Other than that, i'm just reading through regs, i've got a documentary about 2CV that i'm going to watch again a few times, learn some tech regs, and keep an eye on the 2CV race forum. Any idea for anything else you think i should look into?

    Not sure what else you can do. There were some regional 2CV championships. The Scottish Motor Racing Club ran one for a few years. They may have some info.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:46

    a) heat of a moment thing or

    b) mistranslation or miscommunication he has had.

    Actually I see your point, the newspaper could have mistranslated it.

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:47

    Full coverage of the commentary of the 2CV 24 Hour Race from Snetterton"

    Plug over.

    if you fancy doing a guest post to plug your endeavors jon, we're all ears. it's great that you're doing this, so please plug away.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:48

    Actually I see your point, the newspaper could have mistranslated it.

    From what? The HT is an English paper and KC speaks English...

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:48

    if you fancy doing a guest post to plug your endeavors jon, we're all ears. it's great that you're doing this, so please plug away.

    do you mean after?

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:49

    Earlier I posted some videos of ralph at Indy, a few years back showing how the wheels seemed to stay on the car a lot better then than what we have seen in F1 this year.

    It all depends on the angle of the impact, speed, what they impact etc

  • me20/07/2009 at 19:50

    if you fancy doing a guest post to plug your endeavors jon, we're all ears. it's great that you're doing this, so please plug away.

    do you mean after?

    before and after is good.

    - here's what i'm doing, where i'm doing it and all the prep i have to put in

    - here's how it went

    sounds like something really interesting to me. am quite excited for you.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 19:50

    From what? The HT is an English paper and KC speaks English...

    Sorry, that came across harsher than i intended!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:50

    Not that I am aware of, unless he is on a feed I don't watch, maybe he works for Indian or Asian TV.

    think he turns up on starsports asia during f1 races.

    Ah right.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:50

    sounds like something really interesting to me. am quite excited for you.

    oooh ok, aww thanks :) i'm quite excited now, rattther nervous too, but should be fun. ill give it some though.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 19:51

    From what? The HT is an English paper and KC speaks English...

    Sorry, that came across harsher than i intended!

    I do that all the time!

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 19:52

    oooh ok, aww thanks :) i'm quite excited now, rattther nervous too, but should be fun. ill give it some though.

    It would be brillo :)

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 19:53

    if you fancy doing a guest post to plug your endeavors jon, we're all ears. it's great that you're doing this, so please plug away.

    And remember to plug the site the weekend of the race because no-one here has a good memory

  • Rachel20/07/2009 at 19:53

    Yes. Thought about running away when I went to go to the toilet, thought about logistics and realised it would take a long while to go home.

    lol, thinking about running away from a film is pretty... extreme. Leaving is all well and good, but actually legging it would be funny.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:54

    It would be brillo :)

    i'll have a quick mash of the keyboard in a bit :)

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 19:55

    And remember to plug the site the weekend of the race because no-one here has a good memory

    I shall try, if not then i'll probably voicemail on Friday evening anyway, so that may give Mr and Mrs C a poke if they've forgotten ;)

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:00

    If Ari said the following or implied anything similar to the following

    ""Ari Vatanen has personally told you that he has zero interest in reducing emissions in any way shape or form?"

    he also has little grasp of reality in the outside of motorsport. I hope this is complete nonsence.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 20:02

    #sidepodspace

    NASA are definitely trying to keep Christine happy. This spacewalk is 45 minutes behind schedule.

    It is now 18 minutes till the 40th anniversary of the first lunar landing.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 20:04

    ""Ari Vatanen has personally told you that he has zero interest in reducing emissions in any way shape or form?"

    Why should he?

    There isn't a law requiring everyone to believe in the global warming theory (YET!)

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 20:06

    It is now 18 minutes till the 40th anniversary of the first lunar landing.

    wechoosethemoon.org

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 20:06

    I &ahearts; Andros Trophy :D

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 20:07

    I ♥ Andros Trophy :D

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 20:08

    But I dont wannoooooooo. I am prepared to donate any amount to get out of the responsibility :D

    Hmm. We shall have to ask Steven later.

    Amy is doing the breakfast show with Journeyer. We were just waiting for Amy to decide when a convenient time was. She was volunteered on the show.

    We don't want to have a day of sidepodradio with only Christine as a female voice. We need to aim for 50/50ish male/female/

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 20:11

    LMAO at the end of TG "And if I might make a suggestion, gentlemen.....run!"

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:14

    LMAO at the end of TG "And if I might make a suggestion, gentlemen.....run!"

    I still have 20 minutes left of Moto GP, tis good

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:16

    There isn't a law requiring everyone to believe in the global warming theory (YET!)

    There is very clear (measured) evidence for the fastest rate of increase in temperature and atmospheric carbon-dioxide levels the planet has ever seen. These are triggering atmosphere-ocean-land feedback systems that will further speed up the above processes. This will provide greater energy in form of cyclonic air movements which further destabilise climate systems. The biggest concern arising from this is changed conditions for food production.

    The issue of climate change is very real, the Great Global Climate Swindle aired on channel 4 - was correctly named it was a swindle as it completely distorted and misrepresented our current knowledge of the subject.

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:17

    The issue of climate change is very real, the Great Global Climate Swindle aired on channel 4 - was correctly named it was a swindle as it completely distorted and misrepresented our current knowledge of the subject.

    did you hear bill gates is working on cows that don't break wind?

  • Rachel20/07/2009 at 20:19

    did you hear bill gates is working on cows that don't break wind?

    do they go blue and refuse to moove?

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:20

    do they go blue and refuse to moove?

    :)

    i fear for our planet if we've left bill in charge.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 20:22

    Only NASA would create a;; sorts of web based feature to mark the 40th anniversay of Apollo 11 and schedule a spacewalk at the same time.

  • Dank20/07/2009 at 20:23

    That Alguersuari. He's a cool dude isn't he? :-D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:25

    That Alguersuari. He's a cool dude isn't he? :-D

    That can't be him?! I do hope it is though!

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:25

    did you hear bill gates is working on cows that don't break wind?

    Are you referring to the Bovine genome project. Inserting genes and the gene technology is not exactly a precise science so unintended side-effects usually accompany any GMO.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 20:26

    In the process of writing up about the RWS WTCC event at Pau from my P.O.V for ZD.

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:26

    Are you referring to the Bovine genome project. Inserting genes and the gene technology is not exactly a precise science so unintended side-effects usually accompany any GMO.

    not a clue, i just read the story today. he said:

    "We're going to make the cows that don't fart. You name it, we've got it under control."

    i feel better already. you?

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:27

    "We're going to make the cows that don't fart. You name it, we've got it under control."

    Windows 7 is really something

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:27

    Windows 7 is really something

    :P

  • Rachel20/07/2009 at 20:27

    That Alguersuari. He's a cool dude isn't he? :-D

    hehe, I heart him. :)

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:28

    In the process of writing up about the RWS WTCC event at Pau from my P.O.V for ZD.

    omg, wtg my bff!

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 20:29

    omg, wtg my bff!

    :D

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:29

    Windows 7 is really something

    It cannot be worse than Vista can it?

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 20:29

    Only NASA would create a;; sorts of web based feature to mark the 40th anniversay of Apollo 11 and schedule a spacewalk at the same time.

    Wechoosethemoon was set up by the JFK Library and Museum and has been running "real time" since the 40th anniversary of the launch

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:29

    omg, wtg my bff!

    uh oh, abbreviation overload. Stand back.

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:29

    That Alguersuari. He's a cool dude isn't he? :-D

    how the heck did you find that??

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:29

    omg, wtg my bff!

    i had to look up 'wtg', shows how down i am with the kids

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 20:30

    omg, wtg my bff!

    I'm your Best Friend Forever? I'm honoured :P

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:30

    It cannot be worse than Vista can it?

    True, Vista does worse things than causing cow flatutance

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:30

    I'm your Best Friend Forever? I'm honoured :P

    My bff Jill?

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 20:31

    My bff Jill?

    Erm....never mind.

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:31

    My bff Jill?

    idk :(

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:31

    idk :(

    TSNF!

  • lou20/07/2009 at 20:31

    Evening!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:31

    It cannot be worse than Vista can it?

    I tell you what annoys me more than people saying Vista's bad (although they are right, and it is quite amusing) its people saying Vista's bad but actually meaning Office 2007

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:31

    I'm your Best Friend Forever? I'm honoured :P

    good job she didn't miss an f off. or it would be reallly scary

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:31

    TSNF!

    GMTV BBC

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:31

    Evening!

    goooooooood evening

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:32

    "We're going to make the cows that don't fart. You name it, we've got it under control."

    I think he should go back to grass roots and build an OS that does not crash! Of course it will need to be Unix based to do this!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:32

    TSNF!

    WE

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:32

    Evening!

    Hellllllo lou

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 20:32

    Wechoosethemoon was set up by the JFK Library and Museum and has been running "real time" since the 40th anniversary of the launch

    NASA also have a load of stuff on their site including realtime audio from the mission.

  • Dank20/07/2009 at 20:32

    how the heck did you find that??

    Was sent it by someone who should probably work for Mi5!

  • lou20/07/2009 at 20:33

    idk :(

    TSNF!

    i'm gone for the afternoon and when i come back you are speaking another language!

  • lou20/07/2009 at 20:34

    so how has everyone's day been?

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:35

    I tell you what annoys me more than people saying Vista's bad (although they are right, and it is quite amusing) its people saying Vista's bad but actually meaning Office 2007

    I mean Vista, while it is true that that third-party drivers and hardware do cause a lot of blue screening in Windows OS, Vista as an OS was complete rubbish unless you had lots of memory resources and a good AV installed.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:35

    i'm gone for the afternoon and when i come back you are speaking another language!

    One of my favouritist ads ever!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nIUcRJX9-o

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:35

    so how has everyone's day been?

    Alright. or as I should technically say a'rite

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:36

    The last 7 days of my last.fm worries me a lot... although the top choice has only been around in full today... oh dear.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:36

    Alright. or as I should technically say a'rite

    or as i should technically say 'ite

  • lou20/07/2009 at 20:37

    One of my favouritist ads ever!

    wow....

    thank god for subtitles.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:37

    One of my favouritist ads ever!

    :D

  • Rachel20/07/2009 at 20:37

    One of my favouritist ads ever!

    I like this one more, just for jokes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySR3hpieiQc

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:38

    thank god for subtitles.

    i honestly thought she was speaking a foreign language when she started

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 20:38

    the only local sponsor I can see on his overalls is LJ Hooker, a real estate company.

    Was that not a cop played by Shatner?

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:38

    thank god for subtitles.

    Yeah, thank good for subtitles *shuffles eyes*

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:38

    I like this one more, just for jokes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySR3hpieiQc

    My BFF Rose :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:39

    Yeah, thank good for subtitles *shuffles eyes*

    :P

  • lou20/07/2009 at 20:40

    i honestly thought she was speaking a foreign language when she started

    me too. although i'm pleased i don't know much text speak. i prefer English, it's much nicer ;)

  • lou20/07/2009 at 20:40

    Yeah, thank good for subtitles *shuffles eyes*

    :D

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 20:41

    thank god for subtitles.

    I think you mean TGFS

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:41

    me too. although i'm pleased i don't know much text speak. i prefer English, it's much nicer ;)

    rly? like omg, idk

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:42

    rly? like omg, idk

    I'm tempted to just speak to people tomorrow in work with responses like 'laugh out loud' or 'rolling on the floor laughing' to see their reaction

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:44

    I'm tempted to just speak to people tomorrow in work with responses like 'laugh out loud' or 'rolling on the floor laughing' to see their reaction

    yh, gd idea lol

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 20:45

    I find it hard to get my head around the concepts and the graphs are a very useful tool to help explain it. If you could also title the graphs that would be helpful as sometimes I'm not sure what I'm looking at. I know it says it in the text, it just helps make it click for some reason.

    Can you turn that Snap thing off though? You try and mouseover the graph to follow it and that window pops up, very annoying!

    My problem with the race fuel analyses is that race-fuel qualifying just isn't very interesting to me. I don't want to have it explained to me by graphs and things. To be honest if they banned race fuel qualifying entirely I'd be very happy and we can focus on lap time comparisons.

    Pat,

    Thanks mate - how the heck do I turn off the snap thingy anyone?

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:46

    yh, gd idea lol

    h8

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:47

    Thanks mate - how the heck do I turn off the snap thingy anyone?

    Appearance - Extras - Turn off Enable mShots.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:48

    h8

    :(

    not nice

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:49

    not nice

    Aww not you mr RG. It's that silly language. It's evil. Evil I tellsya.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 20:50

    Aww not you mr RG. It's that silly language. It's evil. Evil I tellsya.

    Thats okay. I just know too much.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 20:50

    Just finished assembling the first edit of the first of my goodwood videos...

    phew.. about half way to having it done i think...

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:50

    Thanks mate - how the heck do I turn off the snap thingy anyone?

    You can just click on the graph and it will open in a new window without the snap thing!

    I posted some comments on your latest posting - it provides a lot of clarity that explains the outcome. If I were Brawn I would be worried!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 20:51

    Thanks mate - how the heck do I turn off the snap thingy anyone?

    Appearance - Extras - Turn off Enable mShots.

    Do you know how thankful I am? I hated that feature!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 20:51

    u kno wen thngs r bad wn parents txtspk

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 20:51

    Pat,

    emailed you on gmail ... you wanna see it dude!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 20:51

    emailed you on gmail ... you wanna see it dude!

    rgr

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 20:52

    Do you know how thankful I am? I hated that feature!

    It really annoys me! Even on sites that use it to preview other websites. I just want to see what site it links to, I don't need to see it!

  • Rich20/07/2009 at 20:52

    Do you know how thankful I am? I hated that feature!

    For the graphs it was a distraction.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:53

    For Doctor Who fans:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8158556.stm

    Oh my god, it’s a bow tie. Boo.

    Not a fan?

    I trhink it's kinda cool. I like the retroness of it all after the modern turn of Ecclestone and Tennant, but at the same time, I'm too used to Tennant's Doctor to be too enthusiastic about this look. But I do like it. It's a strange emotion really.

    Not sure about the jacket mind you... looks like one of my uni lecturers...

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:55

    Not a fan?

    Not a fan of bow ties. If it was a regular tie, it would be completely different, I reckon.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:56

    Not a fan of bow ties. If it was a regular tie, it would be completely different, I reckon.

    Perhaps a bowler hat would complete the look.

    :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 20:57

    Not a fan of bow ties. If it was a regular tie, it would be completely different, I reckon.

    Does this have anything to do with the fact that a certain...

    http://www.sofachip.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/david-tennant.jpg

    *ahem*

    wears one?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:57

    Perhaps a bowler hat would complete the look.

    I know just the man for the job.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 20:58

    Does this have anything to do with the fact that a certain...

    The only person who should wear a bow tie is Harold Bishop.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:58

    Does this have anything to do with the fact that a certain...

    Oh I remember him.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 20:59

    The only person who should wear a bow tie is Harold Bishop.

    Replacing Matt Smith with harold Bishop as the Doctor is possible the greatest idea I've heard relating to the series.

  • me20/07/2009 at 20:59

    The only person who should wear a bow tie is Harold Bishop.

    we should've asked alex if he had one.

  • lou20/07/2009 at 20:59

    The only person who should wear a bow tie is Harold Bishop.

    i agree :)

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 20:59

    Replacing Matt Smith with harold Bishop as the Doctor is possible the greatest idea I've heard relating to the series.

    That is inspired. I haven't watched Doctore Who in many many years but I would watch that.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 21:00

    I'm sorry but this is photoshop material Christine.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:00

    Replacing Matt Smith with harold Bishop as the Doctor is possible the greatest idea I've heard relating to the series.

    I would DEFINITELY watch that

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:01

    Perhaps a bowler hat would complete the look.

    And another similarly dressed, but rather larger person to travel around with?

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:02

    we should've asked alex if he had one.

    I don't - I don't think... I do have a ridiculous morning suit though with tails that I bought in a charity shop for 4 pounds.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 21:03

    I'm sorry but this is photoshop material Christine.

    You have to do that. So what else is Doctor Harold going to wear? When I write Doctor I think Valentino Rossi. Rossi/Harold Bishop is an odd combination.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:04

    You have to do that. So what else is Doctor Harold going to wear? When I write Doctor I think Valentino Rossi. Rossi/Harold Bishop is an odd combination.

    Matt Bishop is The Doctor?

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 21:04

    You have to do that. So what else is Doctor Harold going to wear? When I write Doctor I think Valentino Rossi. Rossi/Harold Bishop is an odd combination.

    I love how we've gone

    Matt smith - bowties - harold bishop - valentino rossi.

    Only on Sidepodcast

  • RG20/07/2009 at 21:04

    You have to do that. So what else is Doctor Harold going to wear? When I write Doctor I think Valentino Rossi. Rossi/Harold Bishop is an odd combination.

    Your just handing lukeh ideas on a plate

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:04

    You have to do that. So what else is Doctor Harold going to wear? When I write Doctor I think Valentino Rossi. Rossi/Harold Bishop is an odd combination.

    He would have to have a tuba.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:04

    Matt Bishop is The Doctor?

    Ooooh.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:06

    *ahem*

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=104374314235

    Please join :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:07

    Pat,

    emailed you on gmail ... you wanna see it dude!

    rgr

    Did you see it?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:08

    *ahem*

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=104374314235

    Please join :D

    You're not gonna spam us are ya? ;)

  • RG20/07/2009 at 21:08

    *ahem*

    Jon's a legend, but not as much a legend as Harold Bishop.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:08

    You're not gonna spam us are ya? ;)

    Never :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:09

    Jon's a legend, but not as much a legend as Harold Bishop.

    No-one is as much of a legend as Harold Bishop is

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 21:09

    *ahem*

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=104374314235

    Please join :D

    I may have an image for you to add soon... ;)

  • RG20/07/2009 at 21:09

    No-one is as much of a legend as Harold Bishop is

    Of course not.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:09

    I may have an image for you to add soon... ;)

    thankinya

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 21:10

    Your just handing lukeh ideas on a plate

    And not even charging for them

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:10

    INT: McLaren Motorhome

    Matt Bishop appears wearing a bow tie, clutching a press release and holding a tuba under his other arm.

    BISHOP

    Reading far too slowly to make sense

    The Sulartins have arrived and while we got rid of the one living inside of Montoya we still have work to do. While you all go and do that I will attempt to play the theme tune on my tuba

    Badumbadumbadumbadumbadumbadumbadumbadum

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:13

    Oooh SofaF1 championship results announced. Pat W bagging loads of points this time and Mr C joint second with Aitch.

    The less said about Christine and my performance the better...

    http://www.sofaf1.com/2009/07/sofaf1-championship-2009-round-9.html

  • RG20/07/2009 at 21:14

    Oooh SofaF1 championship results announced. Pat W bagging loads of points this time and Mr C joint second with Aitch.

    Before you complain at my useless predictions ahead of my radio sow, I have in fact, not changed my predictions since Australia.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:14

    The less said about Christine and my performance the better...

    Oh for... there'll be no living with him.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:14

    The less said about Christine and my performance the better...

    I thought Christine was doing really really well at the beginning

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 21:15

    Nooooooooo

    The power of harold doctor has caused photoshop to kerplode in a fit of awesomeocity. :(

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:15

    http://www.sofaf1.com/2009/07/sofaf1-championship-2009-round-9.html

    That Nick is not me? me? I am confused in an ever spiralling decent to doom...

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:15

    The less said about Christine and my performance the better...

    her headstone will likely read the same.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 21:15

    Before you complain at my useless predictions ahead of my radio sow, I have in fact, not changed my predictions since Australia.

    Which says a lot about the people below me

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:16

    Nooooooooo

    nooooo

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:16

    I've just read an article that suggests historians of the future might think that Windows 98 was the 91st release of Windows after Windows 7 :D

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:16

    Which says a lot about the people below me

    In fact Stew was complaining about that very fact. Although some people haven't been playing the whole season.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:17

    Does anyone know where i can get music that i can legally use for my video? Preferably music that isnt being played by 13 year olds in their parents garden shed?

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:17

    Does anyone know where i can get music that i can legally use for my video? Preferably music that isnt being played by 13 year olds in their parents garden shed?

    apple loops.

    ahem, sorry.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:17

    That Nick is not me? me? I am confused in an ever spiralling decent to doom...

    No. If it's any help to you it confuses me every time I see you on here I think ah it must be Nick. But it isn't... It's Nick.

    The SofaF1 Nick is my former housemate and friend since we were around 12.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:19

    No. If it's any help to you it confuses me every time I see you on here I think ah it must be Nick. But it isn't... It's Nick.

    Ah that is good... I was a bit worried i had started doing web based things i couldnt remember!

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:19

    apple loops.

    They have fruit loops in my local grocery store, but i cant see them helping

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 21:20

    Did you see it?

    Yeah got caught with a phone call, responding now.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:20

    apple loops.

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:21

    Did you see it?

    Yeah got caught with a phone call, responding now.

    No worries, just wanted to make sure your address was correct!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:21

    apple loops.

    Is that a dessert? ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 21:22

    It's not brilliant but...

    http://zerodownforce.blogspot.com/2009/07/race-shop-world-series-pau-my-pov.html

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:22

    apple loops.

    :D

    i can't help but be smug sometimes. apologies.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 21:22

    Is that a dessert? ;)

    More like a breakfast cereal. In America.

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:22

    Ah that is good... I was a bit worried i had started doing web based things i couldnt remember!

    I think the only SofaF1 person other than me to have made it over here is fourstar.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:23

    i can't help but be smug sometimes. apologies.

    I had to try very hard not to appear smug today.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:23

    I think the only SofaF1 person other than me to have made it over here is fourstar.

    And yet we have invaded SofaF1!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 21:24

    No worries, just wanted to make sure your address was correct!

    I'm being wordy, if that's ok

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:24

    i can't help but be smug sometimes. apologies.

    Everytime you are smug I can just throw Logic in your face.

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:24

    Everytime you are smug I can just throw Logic in your face.

    rats!

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:24

    I had to try very hard not to appear smug today.

    what happened?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:24

    No worries, just wanted to make sure your address was correct!

    I'm being wordy, if that's ok

    Wordy is fine ;)

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:25

    So bacicly the music industry bacily havent worked out a way to get copyright free music to the 90odd % of people that dont have macs?

    Guess its not my fault then...

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 21:26

    rats!

    :D

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:27

    Guess its not my fault then...

    Not all of the podsafe stuff is bad.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:27

    Not all of the podsafe stuff is bad.

    How do you find it?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:28

    How do you find it?

    music.mevio.com

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:28

    And yet we have invaded SofaF1!

    I think that's for the best! They all needed a bit of shaking up over there. Although fourstar and I were the two previous winners of the championship it's going to be tricky this time. Nick has previously come second every time.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:28

    music.mevio.com

    Oh, they've changed it again, now I get what Alex was talking about!

    http://www.musicalley.com/

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:29

    Oh, they've changed it again, now I get what Alex was talking about!

    what??

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:29

    music.mevio.com

    Oh, they've changed it again, now I get what Alex was talking about!

    http://www.musicalley.com/

    Yes it's like an Alley for Music without tins and pans, but for the internet with dot com on the end.

    I think that's how I put it - clear as usual :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:29

    Oh, they've changed it again, now I get what Alex was talking about!

    you say changed it...

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:30

    You have to pay for this? Is there a slightly more 'free' option? :P

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 21:30

    what??

    You mean you haven't listened to Giggles Radio? That is what he said.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:30

    I think that's how I put it - clear as usual :)

    Hehehe, I liked your description, I thought perhaps it was a different site. But no, they've changed their name for about the third time in as many months.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:30

    You have to pay for this? Is there a slightly more 'free' option? :P

    You have to pay?

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:31

    You have to pay?

    Uh oh!

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:31

    You have to pay?

    If you sign up as a producer it is free, isn't it?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:31

    You have to pay?

    99cents to download apparently?

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 21:32

    Mav will help me get some questions though so that part will be 50:50. I've just had a thought... wonder if Lou would help

    Perfect. Lou was worried about having nothing to say and now she will have questions to read.

    Go Lou!

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:32

    You have to pay?

    Although... I did look today and they seem to have changed their terms and conditions again too...

    There might be something about mentioning the site every time on the show every time you play a track. It's hard to follow :(

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 21:33

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/doctorharold-jpg

    Please make it happen BBC. get some F1 advertising in there too see whilst getting the aussie fans into dr who.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 21:33

    For all those who watched TG last night - you know that 210mph Bugatti speeding ticket is a fake?

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:33

    There might be something about mentioning the site every time on the show every time you play a track. It's hard to follow :(

    it used to be a one-liner :(

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:34

    If you sign up as a producer it is free, isn't it?

    they want all sorts of feeds, addresses, phone numbers... seems very complex

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:34

    Please make it happen BBC. get some F1 advertising in there too see whilst getting the aussie fans into dr who.

    I (heart) you

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:35

    Although... I did look today and they seem to have changed their terms and conditions again too...

    I can't even find their terms and conditions anymore.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 21:35

    I (heart) you

    I ♥ lukeh

    and harold bishop

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:35

    they want all sorts of feeds, addresses, phone numbers... seems very complex

    Yea. It is geared towards podcasters, particularly ongoing music shows.

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:36

    Yea. It is geared towards podcasters, particularly ongoing music shows.

    be easier to just by a mac.

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:36
  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 21:36

    Please make it happen BBC. get some F1 advertising in there too see whilst getting the aussie fans into dr who.

    Freat stuff Lukeh

  • lou20/07/2009 at 21:37
  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 21:37

    Freat stuff Lukeh

    Great

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:37

    be easier to just by a mac.

    They have to show they are a reasonable company by unrestricting the iphone first ;)

  • Alex Andronov20/07/2009 at 21:38

    I can't even find their terms and conditions anymore.

    http://www.musicalley.com/music/producerTerms.php

    :(

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:39

    Moby is friendly http://mobygratis.com/film-music.html :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 21:41

    Freat stuff Lukeh

    I've put a cropped version as the group pic (its too big, boo) and put the full one in the photos section (yeyy)

    To coin a phrase from the great man himself...

    Mind = Blown

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:41

    http://www.musicalley.com/music/producerTerms.php

    It's good that it says webcasts as well as podcasts now. I don't think it did when I first read those.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:42

    For all those who watched TG last night - you know that 210mph Bugatti speeding ticket is a fake?

    I know of one that isn't a fake, thought it was the same one.

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:42

    It's good that it says webcasts as well as podcasts now. I don't think it did when I first read those.

    fair point. it's not quite the vibe the company started out with mind you.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:43

    For all those who watched TG last night - you know that 210mph Bugatti speeding ticket is a fake?

    I know of one that isn't a fake, thought it was the same one.

    Flibster would know the dude probably ... where is he ATM?

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:43

    fair point. it's not quite the vibe the company started out with mind you.

    No, but it's been turning that way gradually for a while.

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:43

    Flibster would know the dude probably ... where is he ATM?

    last seen heading towards green hell.

  • Christine20/07/2009 at 21:43

    Flibster would know the dude probably ... where is he ATM?

    Still trying to find the Nurburgring, I guess.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:44

    They have to show they are a reasonable company by unrestricting the iphone first ;)

    I don't see the reasoning. Get the right tool for the job.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 21:44

    I know of one that isn't a fake, thought it was the same one.

    Apparently some guy photoshopped it. The actual ticket was for a 2.0l Infiniti G35 doing 100mph.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:45

    Flibster would know the dude probably ... where is he ATM?

    Still trying to find the Nurburgring, I guess.

    Probably still trying to get there. My family were travelling back through Germany today and were trapped in a queue for hours !

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:46

    anyone have a blackberry? this comment sounds interesting:

    http://www.f1minute.com/podcast/#comment-7019

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:46

    I don't see the reasoning. Get the right tool for the job.

    Its more of a morality issue. This sort of thing will get worse and worse unless it is halted soon. I cant really do anything about it but I am boycotting them until they behave properly.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 21:46

    stupid computers!!!

    I wrote a very long and detailed email to Gavin in Gmail. I press backspace a few times to delete a character. Browser goes back several previous pages. I press forward. Email no longer there. GRRR

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:46

    Its more of a morality issue. This sort of thing will get worse and worse unless it is halted soon. I cant really do anything about it but I am boycotting them until they behave properly.

    apple? what have i missed?

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 21:47

    anyone have a blackberry? this comment sounds interesting:

    Clarkson calls it a RaspBerry

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:47

    stupid computers!!!

    I wrote a very long and detailed email to Gavin in Gmail. I press backspace a few times to delete a character. Browser goes back several previous pages. I press forward. Email no longer there. GRRR

    You're kidding :(

    I've been waiting for it too - is it not cached at all?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:48

    apple? what have i missed?

    Tying the phone to one provider. Its just the first step down a very steep hill.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:49

    apple? what have i missed?

    Tying the phone to one provider. Its just the first step down a very steep hill.

    Molly Wood agrees. She'd be a happy bunny sans iPhone!

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 21:49

    all this photobishopping has got me in the mood for Dr Who now, and am listening to the wonderful soundtracks by Murray Gold.

    I [heart] the song doomsday, the song that played when Rose and the Doctor got seperated, although it's sad and soppy. But brilliant. :)

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:49

    Tying the phone to one provider. Its just the first step down a very steep hill.

    don't all manufactures do that?

    you can only get the android-g1-googly-thingy on t-mobile in this country, which is why christine had to switch.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:52

    Tying the phone to one provider. Its just the first step down a very steep hill.

    That's a pretty common approach though. O2 also have the exclusive on the Palm Pre.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:52

    you can only get the android-g1-googly-thingy on t-mobile in this country, which is why christine had to switch.

    Thats an open platform though its quite different, there are several android phones about now. There are also HTC phones available for all the other networks.

    What i object to apple doing is locking content to a provider. If companies like them get their way then its only a matter of time until the wider web starts to be locked off in a similar way.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 21:54

    What i object to apple doing is locking content to a provider. If companies like them get their way then its only a matter of time until the wider web starts to be locked off in a similar way.

    I still don't see the issue, the iPhone is available on many different providers across the world, just not all providers in all countries.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 21:56

    I've been waiting for it too - is it not cached at all?

    What really annoys me is that Gmail automatically saves drafts, so I didn't save it manually. I go to the drafts folder - not there.

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:57

    What i object to apple doing is locking content to a provider. If companies like them get their way then its only a matter of time until the wider web starts to be locked off in a similar way.

    they're just doing what their competitors are doing. the government should legislate against such things as they have done in europe, which apple have complied with.

    i can't fathom why you're making your video editing life difficult for yourself, just because apple do what every other handset manufacturer currently does. but fair enough.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 21:58

    I still don't see the issue, the iPhone is available on many different providers across the world, just not all providers in all countries.

    Its the fist step though, what if apple said you cant access itunes unless you are with o2 broadband for example?

    A couple of years ago people would have been horrified. Now it doesnt seem all that different from how the iphone is sold.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 21:58

    I've been waiting for it too - is it not cached at all?

    What really annoys me is that Gmail automatically saves drafts, so I didn't save it manually. I go to the drafts folder - not there.

    So it's gone then ... not tonight I guess? :(

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 21:59

    just a thought, how do I make words vanish in this box again?

  • me20/07/2009 at 21:59

    just a thought, how do I make words vanish in this box again?

    which box?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 21:59

    So it's gone then ... not tonight I guess? :(

    Trying to remember what i wrote.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 21:59

    which box?

    never mind

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:00

    which box?

    never mind

    oh, gmail? sorry, assumed you meant doohickey.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:01

    oh, gmail? sorry, assumed you meant doohickey.

    I did, the filter box. But I'm writing this email instead now.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:02

    i can't fathom why you're making your video editing life difficult for yourself, just because apple do what every other handset manufacturer currently does. but fair enough.

    Apple are the only handset manufacturer who control content though. I suppose you could argue the pre will too, but that is simply copying the Iphone's model.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:02

    sorry, that gmail thing put me in a bad mood

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:03

    sorry, that gmail thing put me in a bad mood

    no worries. just type in the filter box, top right, and it'll find what you're looking for.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:04

    Apple are the only handset manufacturer who control content though. I suppose you could argue the pre will too, but that is simply copying the Iphone's model.

    i thought nokia had the idea first and apple copied them? only nokia's isn't too successful right now.

    regardless, i don't see why it stops you buying an imac?

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:05

    Apple are the only handset manufacturer who control content though. I suppose you could argue the pre will too, but that is simply copying the Iphone's model.

    Content in the form of applications, yes and for good reasons.

    You can still get the Internet though.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 22:06

    Most handsets are availble for any network. Apple only offer the iphone on one network per country and there is only one reason anyone has monopoly suppliers. That is to keep the price up. Clearly Apple want to maintain their premium position and have no interest in seeing companies discounting their product.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:06

    Anyone else notice that if you have to login to use wifi on iPod 3.0 it doesn't work as well as before?

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:07

    regardless, i don't see why it stops you buying an imac?

    There isnt anything really.. I will get a macbook when i get an iphone, but at the moment i cant see any reason to get one.

    Might go down the android route instead, will have a look at the handsets in a month or so

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:07

    Most handsets are availble for any network.

    not smartphones? cheap handsets, yes.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:08

    Might go down the android route instead, will have a look at the handsets in a month or so

    the android is rather awesome too.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:09

    Anyone else notice that if you have to login to use wifi on iPod 3.0 it doesn't work as well as before?

    login to public wifi, or your home network?

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:11

    Most handsets are availble for any network. Apple only offer the iphone on one network per country and there is only one reason anyone has monopoly suppliers. That is to keep the price up. Clearly Apple want to maintain their premium position and have no interest in seeing companies discounting their product.

    Actually some countries have multiple providers - Australia and Switzerland to name but two.

    Who knows, in the future, the exclusive deals may end. Watch the keynote where they announced iPhone MMS and tethering, both features that were "except in the USA". Listen to the audience reaction.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 22:12

    not smartphones? cheap handsets, yes.

    Exactly. Since those started coming in the marketing has changed completely and that can only be to keep the prices artifically high.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:12

    There isnt anything really.. I will get a macbook when i get an iphone, but at the moment i cant see any reason to get one.

    Why tie the two together? Macs work just fine without an iPhone and you can easily use an iPhone with Windows, just as you can with any iPod.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:14

    Why tie the two together? Macs work just fine without an iPhone and you can easily use an iPhone with Windows, just as you can with any iPod.

    haha i am not letting apple software any where near my pc!

    I learned that lesson a long time ago!

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:15

    Exactly. Since those started coming in the marketing has changed completely and that can only be to keep the prices artifically high.

    i guess so. to me the g1 represents value for money and the iphone represents value for money. they're tied to a single operator, and they might be cheaper if they weren't, but i don't think christine as ever bemoaned the price she pays for hers.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:16

    Gavin, I have replied, I think I remembered most of it

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:16

    haha i am not letting apple software any where near my pc!

    Not even Safari? :D

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:17

    haha i am not letting apple software any where near my pc!

    that isn't what i initially suggested though?

    my original point was simply, that your life would've been much easier if you'd produced your movie on a mac. and i stand by that.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:18

    i guess so. to me the g1 represents value for money and the iphone represents value for money. they're tied to a single operator, and they might be cheaper if they weren't, but i don't think christine as ever bemoaned the price she pays for hers.

    There are plenty of people who want to pay the price currently being charged. The overwhelming majority of the iPhone owners I talk to every day say that they "love" their iPhone, even those who are having problems.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 22:18

    my original point was simply, that your life would've been much easier if you'd produced your movie on a mac. and i stand by that.

    windows movie maker is brilliant fun though

    if your idea of brilliant fun is dealing with the impatience and unprediactablity of unstable products unable to cope with the single click of a mouse button and generally handling media in a media based application, of course.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:19

    Oooh SofaF1 championship results announced. Pat W bagging loads of points this time and Mr C joint second with Aitch.

    Excellent :-)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:19

    Gavin, I have replied, I think I remembered most of it

    Cheers Pat - loads of good ideas there!

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:19

    if your idea of brilliant fun is dealing with the impatience and unprediactablity of unstable products unable to cope with the single click of a mouse button and generally handling media in a media based application, of course.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 22:19

    Not even Safari? :D

    Safari tried to strangle my PC

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:20

    if your idea of brilliant fun is dealing with the impatience and unprediactablity of unstable products unable to cope with the single click of a mouse button and generally handling media in a media based application, of course.

    :D iMovie is fun too, but in a completely different way.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 22:20

    There are plenty of people who want to pay the price currently being charged. The overwhelming majority of the iPhone owners I talk to every day say that they "love" their iPhone, even those who are having problems.

    But how many people have not bought them because ofthe price and/or dislike of Apple's choice of network.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:20

    Not even Safari? :D

    About 8 years ago or so i tried to watch a video which was in an annoying format called quicktime.

    I downloaded this quicktime player which came bundled with a then unknown price of software called itunes. One day itunes decided it wanted to scan my music library and delete about a third of everything that was in there.

    So i am not a fan. Apple make brilliant software for their own computers, but i think it becomes a completely different beast when transferred to a PC

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:21

    But how many people have not bought them because ofthe price and/or dislike of Apple's choice of network.

    Plenty. Including me.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 22:22

    So i am not a fan. Apple make brilliant software for their own computers, but i think it becomes a completely different beast when transferred to a PC

    I like this Nick.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:22

    So i am not a fan. Apple make brilliant software for their own computers, but i think it becomes a completely different beast when transferred to a PC

    My mate hated iTunes because it wouldn't play any of his songs. The silly bugger was accessing his songs on his friends computer so when he moved to a different flat it stopped working!

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:22

    About 8 years ago or so i tried to watch a video which was in an annoying format called quicktime.

    you know it's annoying because microsoft did their level best to kill it and make it unusable, right?

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:23

    My mate hated iTunes because it wouldn't play any of his songs. The silly bugger was accessing his songs on his friends computer so when he moved to a different flat it stopped working!

    :D

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:23

    But how many people have not bought them because ofthe price and/or dislike of Apple's choice of network.

    I didnt have O2 signal here untill a month ago, so that was a small reason not to get one...

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:24

    you know it's annoying because microsoft did their level best to kill it and make it unusable, right?

    I dont think apple's software helped it much either!

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 22:24

    you know it's annoying because microsoft did their level best to kill it and make it unusable, right?

    windows does seem to absolutely hate Quicktime, true. It might as well code (hah!) a message into windows saying 'No. NO! GO AWAY.' or something when trying to watch quicktime videos

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 22:24

    That should be microsoft, not Windows.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:25

    windows does seem to absolutely hate Quicktime, true. It might as well code (hah!) a message into windows saying 'No. NO! GO AWAY.' or something when trying to watch quicktime videos

    apparently that is exactly what happened. depending on who's version of events you believe of course.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:26

    Anyone else notice that if you have to login to use wifi on iPod 3.0 it doesn't work as well as before?

    login to public wifi, or your home network?

    home is fine - I am talking about public wifi where you have to use a webpage to log on...

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:26

    you know it's annoying because microsoft did their level best to kill it and make it unusable, right?

    Now why would they do a silly thing like that? :)

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:26

    Gavin, I have replied, I think I remembered most of it

    Cheers Pat - loads of good ideas there!

    No probs. It would have helped if he'd been clearer!

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:28

    apparently that is exactly what happened. depending on who's version of events you believe of course.

    Is it wrong of me that I no longer care if Apple produced software runs on Windows or not?

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:29

    I dont think apple's software helped it much either!

    technically, and i'm talking purely at the bits and bytes level. quicktime is a vastly superior format to flash, which is the format microsoft championed over quicktime.

    vastly probably isn't a strong enough word. but trust me, if you had to do video stuff a lot, you'd come to the same conclusion before lunchtime.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:29

    apparently that is exactly what happened. depending on who's version of events you believe of course.

    Is it wrong of me that I no longer care if Apple produced software runs on Windows or not?

    Yes, because iTunes + iPod needs to run on PC's!

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:31

    Is it wrong of me that I no longer care if Apple produced software runs on Windows or not?

    i care, because doohickey and lclt work much, much better on safari on windows than they do on ff, ie, opera or chrome.

    i know this because i've spent days and days peering at and fixing the blooming things.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 22:32

    ooh! I just remembered a fantastic bit of logic from today. We had to watch a new short safety video today in work on our lunches that had newer stuff we were required to see blah blah blah, and it had a wonderful moment where it mentioned people who steal from our chain of supermarkets and what to do. Now, the eagle eyed of us noticed that the robber in question simply stole carrier bags from the shop in the video which got us asking...

    why would a robber steal just carrier bags from a supermarket? furthermore, is this even possible when they are free? our manager wasn;t sure how to answer :D just kinda made my day a lot more amusing...

    it's a simple life, I know... :P

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 22:33

    #sidepodspace

    Today's spacewalk has just finished. I have had it on in the background but I haven't really been paying much attention to it. They did everything they were scheduled to do except the installation of a video camera which will be scheduled into another spacewalk on this mission.

    Tomorrow is robotics day with the various robotic arms putting some stuff on the porch. Towards the end of the day Wednesday's two spacewalkers go and have a campout in the airlock and hope that no-one presses the open airlock button.

  • Scott Woodwiss20/07/2009 at 22:34

    why would a robber steal just carrier bags from a supermarket? furthermore, is this even possible when they are free? our manager wasn;t sure how to answer :D just kinda made my day a lot more amusing...

    Technicaly carrier bags aren't free any more. If you don't bring your own, they charge you for having to use the normal plastic ones.

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:34

    technically, and i'm talking purely at the bits and bytes level. quicktime is a vastly superior format to flash, which is the format microsoft championed over quicktime.

    But flash was just a plugin you install and forget about it. Quicktime was a great monster of a programme which (regardless of who's fault this was) stuttered, crashed and froze.

    Forcing people to download extra software they didn't want probably didn't help their cause much either

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 22:34

    Technicaly carrier bags aren't free any more. If you don't bring your own, they charge you for having to use the normal plastic ones.

    Carrier bags are free from us though!

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:35

    Technicaly carrier bags aren't free any more. If you don't bring your own, they charge you for having to use the normal plastic ones.

    Not in all stores

  • Nick20/07/2009 at 22:35

    Technicaly carrier bags aren't free any more. If you don't bring your own, they charge you for having to use the normal plastic ones.

    At LIdl and Aldi... still free most other places

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:35

    Technicaly carrier bags aren't free any more. If you don't bring your own, they charge you for having to use the normal plastic ones.

    Carrier bags are free from us though!

    Not for long they won't be - too expensive for the shop!

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:35

    But flash was just a plugin you install and forget about it. Quicktime was a great monster of a programme which (regardless of who's fault this was) stuttered, crashed and froze.

    true enough. but it was bigger for a reason. one of which being that it handled video properly.

    i totally see why flash won the battle though.

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 22:35

    Carrier bags are free from us though!

    It's still stealing though because effectively the bags are free with whatever people buy.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 22:36

    I just found it funny that, for the context of a supermarket, all they could muster were stealing carrier bags is all :)

    Could've made it interesting! Like a checkout desk or something

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:37

    I just found it funny that, for the context of a supermarket, all they could muster were stealing carrier bags is all :)

    Could've made it interesting! Like a checkout desk or something

    The principle of it is still stealing ... and if they steal that then they might go for other stuff?

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:38

    So I've caught up again, and found the umpteenth discussion of Apple vs MS. I've had 11 years of this so-called 'discussion' (read: polite slanging match - guess which word I was filtering earlier) on various motorsport groups, so you could say I'm a bit fed up of the pair of them, so I only run the OS, and MS Office (because MS Office is better than Open Office.. or, it was). I won't tie myself to a media player that insists on proprietary formats, whether that is the iTunes format or WMA or whatever. Even if I ran a Mac I'd run Winamp or something else. Winamp, MP3, Sorted.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:39

    Technicaly carrier bags aren't free any more. If you don't bring your own, they charge you for having to use the normal plastic ones.

    They have never been free. The cost is built into the price of the goods just as with any other overhead.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 22:41

    (read: polite slanging match - guess which word I was filtering earlier)

    Darn forgot about that.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:41

    They have never been free. The cost is built into the price of the goods just as with any other overhead.

    They are also unusual because they attract VAT throughout their manufacturing and wholesale process and are then given away for free.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:41

    I only run the OS, and MS Office (because MS Office is better than Open Office.. or, it was). I won't tie myself to a media player that insists on proprietary formats, whether that is the iTunes format or WMA or whatever. Even if I ran a Mac I'd run Winamp or something else. Winamp, MP3, Sorted.

    Open Office is nearly as good as Office but annoyingly the Excel equivalent is not quite as good as the MS version (at least for graphs).

    I use VLC player for my video stuff as it's almost universal - even plays .flv files now... and I use iTunes in m4a format because I have an iPod and want to make the most of my space...

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:42

    (because MS Office is better than Open Office.. or, it was)

    Anything is better than a program that deletes data in a spreadsheet just because it's hidden.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:43

    They are also unusual because they attract VAT throughout their manufacturing and wholesale process and are then given away for free.

    But the amount of bags they buy, the cost is minimal.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:43

    Open Office is nearly as good as Office but annoyingly the Excel equivalent is not quite as good as the MS version (at least for graphs).

    I've got graphs for a forthcoming blog feature. Can't mess with the graphs!

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:43

    Even if I ran a Mac I'd run Winamp or something else. Winamp, MP3, Sorted.

    absolutely. the difference is i think, you're not approaching this as someone who creates a lot of media content, and/or has to deal with problems relating to the digesting of said content across multiple platforms

    it's far more complicated for us, and we just couldn't do sidepodcast using windows. it simply isn't possible.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:44

    Darn forgot about that.

    ;)

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:44

    and I use iTunes in m4a format because I have an iPod and want to make the most of my space...

    I'm so glad Flibster isn't here with his talk of FLAC.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:45

    I use VLC player for my video stuff as it's almost universal - even plays .flv files now... and I use iTunes in m4a format because I have an iPod and want to make the most of my space...

    I use VLC too. I started to use m4a on Winamp - bought a new car stereo that can take a USB stick, guess what, plays mp3 but not m4a. Gutted. Now I have to re-encode things.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 22:45

    ;)

    How do you filter out more than two things?

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:45

    it's far more complicated for us, and we just couldn't do sidepodcast using windows. it simply isn't possible.

    Ooo. Can I use that quote?

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:45

    I'm so glad Flibster isn't here with his talk of FLAC.

    he's right to a degree. flac is a better format than mp3. just like quicktime is a better format than flash. neither won the popular mindshare though.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:46

    it's far more complicated for us, and we just couldn't do sidepodcast using windows. it simply isn't possible.

    Ooo. Can I use that quote?

    of course.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:46

    How do you filter out more than two things?

    ummm....

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:46

    absolutely. the difference is i think, you're not approaching this as someone who creates a lot of media content, and/or has to deal with problems relating to the digesting of said content across multiple platforms

    Absolutely. What is annoying is being told to get a Mac in order to do the smallest thing. No.

  • Paul20/07/2009 at 22:46

    he's right to a degree. flac is a better format than mp3. just like quicktime is a better format than flash. neither won the popular mindshare though.

    I could talk about Ogg if you like? ;-)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:46

    and I use iTunes in m4a format because I have an iPod and want to make the most of my space...

    I'm so glad Flibster isn't here with his talk of FLAC.

    I can't tell the difference anyway - and I tried it on loads of different types of hi and lo fi.

    Flibster's ears must be so sensitive that they are pricking up right now, knowing we are having this discussion without him! ;)

  • RG20/07/2009 at 22:47

    ummm....

    ah. grr

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:47

    I can't tell the difference anyway - and I tried it on loads of different types of hi and lo fi.

    there comes an age where it's physically impossible to do so. eventually we get old and so does our hearing. i'm not sure what age that is, but i'm clearly way past it :)

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:48

    I can't tell the difference anyway - and I tried it on loads of different types of hi and lo fi.

    I can tell the difference between MP3 and CD in my car on my new stereo. I'm not just going to have to re-encode the M4A's back to MP3, I've gotta do all the old MP3s I did years ago at 128 into a decent bitrate.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:49

    I can tell the difference between MP3 and CD in my car on my new stereo. I'm not just going to have to re-encode the M4A's back to MP3, I've gotta do all the old MP3s I did years ago at 128 into a decent bitrate.

    Can you? Wow! I honestly can't tell the difference as long as the quality is above OK...

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:49

    he's right to a degree. flac is a better format than mp3. just like quicktime is a better format than flash. neither won the popular mindshare though.

    FLAC is always going to be "better" as it's lossless, but for most people AAC or MP3 is "good enough". I listen to my iPod via both headphones (Sennheisers like yours, Mr C) and a fairly decent stereo system and I can't tell the difference between CD and iPod playback.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:50

    Can you? Wow! I honestly can't tell the difference as long as the quality is above OK...

    You know what... I've never been able to tell before I got that thing. I do like it.

    btw I just tried to quote your email by clicking what you wrote. I'm not addicted.

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:51

    I can tell the difference between MP3 and CD in my car on my new stereo. I'm not just going to have to re-encode the M4A's back to MP3, I've gotta do all the old MP3s I did years ago at 128 into a decent bitrate.

    it's worth noting that we used to create podcasts in both m4a and mp3 format, the extra hassle and cost of supporting both led us to standardise on mp3 for the time being.

    i am ever hopeful that one-day everyone will support m4a's, but i'm not holding my breath.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:51

    there comes an age where it's physically impossible to do so. eventually we get old and so does our hearing. i'm not sure what age that is, but i'm clearly way past it :)

    Well that day may have passed today because when I went to fill up my bike tyre with the free compressed air pumps they have in town, the tyre literally exploded and it was such an almighty bang that it made my ears ring for a sec!

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:51

    Can you? Wow! I honestly can't tell the difference as long as the quality is above OK...

    but as I say, many of my MP3s were ripped at 128 four or five years ago, my PC speakers aren't great so I never noticed anything wrong. put it through a better system and you notice the distortion.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:52

    Absolutely. What is annoying is being told to get a Mac in order to do the smallest thing. No.

    When I got my Mac, I sat down with it and less than half an hour later I was seriously wondering why I had put up with Windows for so long.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:53

    FLAC is always going to be "better" as it's lossless, but for most people AAC or MP3 is "good enough". I listen to my iPod via both headphones (Sennheisers like yours, Mr C) and a fairly decent stereo system and I can't tell the difference between CD and iPod playback.

    I use Philips in-ear buds. Not too expensive (as I seem to destroy earphones at the moment) at 30 Euros but good passive noise cancelling, good bass and decent range so I'm very happy with them. I actually think they sound better than the Sennheiser Cans I had that broke after three months...

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:53

    but as I say, many of my MP3s were ripped at 128 four or five years ago, my PC speakers aren't great so I never noticed anything wrong. put it through a better system and you notice the distortion.

    here's a test:

    - find a cd you know well and a track on it you know well.

    - purchase the equivalent song in mp3 format from amazon (only 69p).

    - play both in the car and see if you can tell the difference.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:54

    Can you? Wow! I honestly can't tell the difference as long as the quality is above OK...

    but as I say, many of my MP3s were ripped at 128 four or five years ago, my PC speakers aren't great so I never noticed anything wrong. put it through a better system and you notice the distortion.

    Hmm I rip mine at 190 which makes a little difference - I also use a program called MP3Gain to reduce the volume limit to 89db so the iPod graphic equaliser works better without distortion...

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:54

    there comes an age where it's physically impossible to do so. eventually we get old and so does our hearing. i'm not sure what age that is, but i'm clearly way past it :)

    Harry Shearer said on his radio show the other week that the studio engineer was apologising for the high-pitched whine coming through the speakers. He replied he was just glad he could still hear it (this coming just after he'd performed with Spinal Tap at Wembley Arena)

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:54

    here's a test:

    they did this a while back on the gadget show, they played mp3, cd and record aswell with pink floyd.

    they guessed the mp3

  • Paul20/07/2009 at 22:54

    - play both in the car and see if you can tell the difference.

    A car is a bad test really. Home stereo is better. There's too much other noise in a car. Although I can see where you are coming from, as that is where we most listen to music probably.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:55

    Well that day may have passed today because when I went to fill up my bike tyre with the free compressed air pumps they have in town, the tyre literally exploded and it was such an almighty bang that it made my ears ring for a sec!

    Oops. You're not supposed to use those things for bikes and now you know why :D

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:55

    they did this a while back on the gadget show, they played mp3, cd and record aswell with pink floyd.

    they guessed the mp3

    i can believe it, but how old were the people?

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:55

    Harry Shearer said on his radio show the other week that the studio engineer was apologising for the high-pitched whine coming through the speakers. He replied he was just glad he could still hear it (this coming just after he'd performed with Spinal Tap at Wembley Arena)

    :P :D

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:56

    i can believe it, but how old were the people?

    Suzi Perry + 2 other guys who must have been 30's

  • Paul20/07/2009 at 22:56

    i can believe it, but how old were the people?

    I would be asking what was the bit rate. I can tell the difference with probably 128K, and i'm old-ish

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:57

    Suzi Perry + 2 other guys who must have been 30's

    interesting. suzi is, mid-twenties?

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:57

    I would be asking what was the bit rate. I can tell the difference with probably 128K, and i'm old-ish

    they used the highest bit rate they could find for the mp3, i believe it was from 7 Digital

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:57

    Oops. You're not supposed to use those things for bikes and now you know why :D

    Well they are for bikes, that's the thing. It's just that I have a POS bike with a rear tyre that rotted away, so when I tried to fill it ... BANG!

  • RG20/07/2009 at 22:57

    interesting. suzi is, mid-twenties?

    39

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:57

    interesting. suzi is, mid-twenties?

    add 20 and your there ;)

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:57

    I would be asking what was the bit rate. I can tell the difference with probably 128K, and i'm old-ish

    that's important too. amazon mp3's are 256kbps i believe.

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:58

    When I got my Mac, I sat down with it and less than half an hour later I was seriously wondering why I had put up with Windows for so long.

    We had a Mac at Mum's in the mid-90s. It was okay, nothing special. Frustrating because everyone else I knew had PCs so I couldn't do sod all. Not to mention the stupid idea in schools at the time to take Acorns.

    My sister and my stepmum have Apple laptops and swear by them. I've said it several times. I'd take an Apple laptop and a Windows desktop.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:58

    add 20 and your there ;)

    ok, so about 15 ;)

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:58

    add 20 and your there ;)

    oh. hmm, wonder if it differs for female hearing?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 22:58

    interesting. suzi is, mid-twenties?

    Eh??? She'd love you saying that to her ;)

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:58

    here's a test:

    will try that later in the week, may require reminding..

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:58

    they used the highest bit rate they could find for the mp3, i believe it was from 7 Digital

    was it under normal conditions? or in a studio?

    i really should just watch it :)

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 22:59

    Hmm I rip mine at 190 which makes a little difference - I also use a program called MP3Gain to reduce the volume limit to 89db so the iPod graphic equaliser works better without distortion...

    I changed to 192 about 2 years ago, they are better.

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 22:59

    that's important too. amazon mp3's are 256kbps i believe.

    Correct, based on a sample of the tracks I have (all 10 of them).

  • me20/07/2009 at 22:59

    Eh??? She'd love you saying that to her ;)

    oops. i haven't seen her for about 2 years mind you.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 22:59

    was it under normal conditions? or in a studio?

    it was in a theatre, they had it very loud too i believe

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 23:00

    A car is a bad test really. Home stereo is better. There's too much other noise in a car. Although I can see where you are coming from, as that is where we most listen to music probably.

    I don't have a home stereo and the quality through the car system (at high enough volume) is the best I've had on anything I've owned.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 23:00

    that's important too. amazon mp3's are 256kbps i believe.

    the ones on said program were 320k

  • me20/07/2009 at 23:00

    it was in a theatre, they had it very loud too i believe

    i wish they'd done a bedroom/livingroom/car test too.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 23:00

    Completely offtopic again from everyone but I just saw this and had to share the best exam question answer ever!

    He even got it right!

  • Andy Taylor20/07/2009 at 23:01

    i wish they'd done a bedroom/livingroom/car test too.

    I expect that they would have been able to guess which room they were in.

  • me20/07/2009 at 23:01

    Completely offtopic again from everyone but I just saw this and had to share the best exam question answer ever!

    He even got it right!

    :D ;)

  • me20/07/2009 at 23:01

    I expect that they would have been able to guess which room they were in.

    blast.

  • RG20/07/2009 at 23:02

    Completely offtopic again from everyone but I just saw this and had to share the best exam question answer ever!

    You know its bad when you start to work the answer out.

  • Lukeh20/07/2009 at 23:02

    You know its bad when you start to work the answer out.

    the whale truly is the correct answer

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 23:03

    You know its bad when you start to work the answer out.

    if you can do x^5 then im am incredibly impressed, tahts not even A2

  • RG20/07/2009 at 23:04

    if you can do x^5 then im am incredibly impressed, tahts not even A2

    You know your are going blind when you read 4 as a 5.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 23:04

    Completely offtopic again from everyone but I just saw this and had to share the best exam question answer ever!

    You know its bad when you start to work the answer out.

    The strangest answer I ever had to mark was "don't forget to hook up to Boost Mobile!"

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 23:04

    if you can do x^5 then im am incredibly impressed, tahts not even A2

    You know your are going blind when you read 4 as a 5.

    Still impressed!

  • RG20/07/2009 at 23:05

    Still impressed!

    I'm not working out the point lie inbetween bit.

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 23:06

    I'm not working out the point lie inbetween bit.

    Then it depends how you're working out the roots....factorising?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 23:06

    Night all - way too late for me, stupid internetless house making me stay up late when I come home.

    One more day and then back to normal, so I can watch my programmes and write my blogs again :D

  • Pat W20/07/2009 at 23:07

    Night all - way too late for me, stupid internetless house making me stay up late when I come home.

    Night, sorry for the delay

  • RG20/07/2009 at 23:07

    Then it depends how you're working out the roots....factorising?

    Long division.

    Night gavin

  • Steven Roy20/07/2009 at 23:08

    Night Gavin

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/07/2009 at 23:08

    Night all - way too late for me, stupid internetless house making me stay up late when I come home.

    Night, sorry for the delay

    NP mate ;)

  • Jon Waldock20/07/2009 at 23:08

    Long division.

    aaahh right, still impressed, i still cant do long division

  • RG20/07/2009 at 23:09

    aaahh right, still impressed, i still cant do long division

    I would try and be clever here and show it, buut i can't be bothered

  • Alianora La Canta21/07/2009 at 09:57

    What on earth is an ‘opinion former’ ?

    I dont understand what you are saying will happen, they will make it illegal to race cars? {Comment #301}

    Probably the sorts of "green" organisations whose opinions are expressed in such magazines as New Internationalist. It did a feature about corporate reactions to climate change in late 2007 and the article's author labelled Honda's "Earth Dreams" project as the biggest load of greenwash he'd ever seen. Having a climate change sceptic in power is not going to convince them that motor sport is taking the environment particularly seriously - and in some places the "green" organisations are rather powerful.

    I'm not convinced they'll manage to get racing banned in a significant enough amount of the world to damage F1's future, though some national racing in countries with particular "green" sensitivities could be affected (especially by limitations short of banning). Basically, the "green" lobby could protest and elect their way to wholesale legislative change in certain countries. Not the UK, where the prevailing political opinion is largely talk and little action, but I could imagine places like Iceland and perhaps some other countries with sensitive ecologies (I'm fairly sure I read that one of the Scandinavian countries had a major pro-green lobby, but I can't remember which off the top of my head).

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)21/07/2009 at 09:58

    I'm fairly sure I read that one of the Scandinavian countries had a major pro-green lobby, but I can't remember which off the top of my head).

    It's Sweden - funnily enough the only Scandinavian country without any significant Oil resevres...

  • Alianora La Canta21/07/2009 at 10:02

    What i am trying to say though is, they have kept the wheels on effectivly in the past, have they been changed? {Comment #338}

    The wheel tether minimum specifications are identical to last year. It may be that other regulation changes have increased the forces with which they must contend have increased.

  • Nick21/07/2009 at 10:08

    The wheel tether minimum specifications are identical to last year. It may be that other regulation changes have increased the forces with which they must contend have increased.

    I was thinking about 4-5 years ago, no changes you know of since then?

  • Alianora La Canta21/07/2009 at 10:51

    I was thinking about 4-5 years ago, no changes you know of since then? {Comment #909}

    I don't think there have been. The tethers have been upgraded twice since their introduction; once to add a second wheel tether and again to increase the second tether's strength to 10,000N (the first tether has always been set to 5,000N). The calculation was that anything beyond that would be counter-productive safety-wise due to the risk to the survival cell getting a hole from a car corner being torn off.

    The second of those changes happened in 2002. Until the survival cell can take a 15,000N tether, I suspect that will remain the case.

  • Jon Waldock21/07/2009 at 10:53

    The second of those changes happened in 2002. Until the survival cell can take a 15,000N tether, I suspect that will remain the case.

    Biggger bolts?