Obviously the majority of conversation yesterday was dominated by the FIA regulation tweaks, and who am I to try and buck the trend? Here are some of the things on topics right now:
- The new points/wins tally things seems to be a halfway point between Bernie's medals idea and the way it used to be. So far, we've seen a lot of instant reaction to this decision, but my only real concern is that the championship will be over too soon.
- At first, it seemed as though the FIA were relaxing the testing regulations, but it was not to be. What they have said is that teams can indulge in a specific number of straightline tests at a specific set of tracks. The problem is, this starts from Jan 1st 2009. Can you really backdate regulations like that?
- Finally, the budget cuts seem to be awfully low, and as they are not mandatory, there's a worry that F1 will become almost two different beasts in the same show.
So, it's fair to say that none of the new regulations have been greeted with joy, but are they really that bad? Share your thoughts today, and we'll keep our eye on any new stories and paddock reactions as they filter out during the day. I will see you in the comments.
nope. with every passing hour, i'm less and less bothered.
But you have already admitted to being fickle a couple of times today :)
that i am, yes.
And the likelihood that the end of year, final race shoot-outs will become a rarity
How much do the budget capped teams get to work outside of the regulations, did I read no engine rev limits?
So it seems - but do the engines still have last for 3 races?
How are the teams going to exploit the relaxed regulations with only £30 million to play with? Thats less than Minardi had I believe
I think i'm going crazy, but i swear this is the first time i've seen the Brawn with the name on the engine cover. http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/124058
if you say it's true. i'm not going to argue!
i must have seen it before though... surely they wouldn't have just had that put on over night or whatever.... i'm going crazy... i must be..
It definitely was not there before. Your sanity is at worse questionable but this is not enough to make it certain.
No comment.
It was on the car on Sunday though. ;)
lemmie see. is it too early in the morning for a shameless plug?
http://www.f1minute.com/2009/03/16/barrichello-back-behind-the-wheel/
...nope, no name on the engine cover.
Is NEVER too early
:D okay. so does that suggest they'll be sticking with that livery for a bit then? i was kinda hoping they would roll up in Aus in 9 days time (9 days!! :D ) with a slightly better livery..
:D
Depends if they remember to bring the multi-pack of highlighters to Aus
:D
Did anyone consider the possibilty that they were behind McLaren on the track one day whilst they were using FloViz paint and Ross & Co just kinda liked it?
They could add green, pink and blue to the sceheme if needs be.
:D
How long will it be before a driver wins four races, nothing else and the championship but is about 50 points behind the points leader
We end up reverting back to or changing the points system again and blah, blah, blah
I love 1986 all over again and Canada.
RE: Finally, the budget cuts seem to be awfully low... there’s a worry that F1 will become almost two different beasts in the same show.
The proposed rules state that they regulation limits for the budget team will be modified to make sure there is no difference between $$$ and $ funded squads. What, then, is the attraction of $$$ teams?
Surely smart teams will poor as much cash as they can in to alternative tech *read Williams' active suspension* in 2010 and switch to budget teaming in 2011 and use those techs.
Superfunded B-team and an under-budget A-team with all the technowizardry
McLaren/Force India - Red Bull/Toro Rosso
am off to sleep now i think. I have nother long day tomorrow. night all x
Night Lou.
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G'night Lou
I *think* I've caught up with comments now... and I get the impression everyone else is as fed up as I am with all these stupid rule tinkerings (i.e. wins). I'm actually intrigued by the budget thing, but then I do work in accounts so that tells you all you need to know about me.
Okay time I was off, flying visit, and I'm writing this here in public to give me no excuses because I've been procrastinating again (and I do it so well):
My plan when I get home from work on the 18th is to a) call you with my predictions, b) quickly blog the FIA stuff, c) do college work while ignoring everything else until I'm done. Yes even Ep.96, even live MWM.
Meanwhile, some say this has already happened... :-D
Nighty night.
This is a film review announcement:
Scream still rocks after 13 years!
That is all.
Katy Perry tribute? "I was behind the McLaren and I liked it"
:D
Quite possibly
Just before I go.. the one thing that gets me is that no matter how something is funded, i.e. full cost, subsidised or free, for the purposes of Budget Cap the FIA will deem it to be at full cost.
Not sure if they can do that - anything given for free to the teams will still be assessed its actual value and be included in the cap. So even if STR, for example, developed new components and gave them to RBR, then they will still be assessed as part of RBR's budget, as well as STR's budget.
Good night Lou
I don't think I'll catch up today, I left the doohickey running all day and I see I now have over 600 comments to read and I gotta get to bed in about 5 hours,I better start reading now.
So if as part of your sponsorship deal, you are given a supercomputer for next to nothing - they'll take it at retail value essentially.
Nice... I've never paid retail for any computer and I'm not advertising them.
I could understand for things they are given, but for things that they are paying a reduced rate for? C'mon....
great post from vee8:
http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/2009/03/17/the-wmscs-decisions/
What about 'paying' drivers who bring cash via sponsorship?
A handy website for anyone in USA. It lists all racing on TV.
http://www.tvracer.com/
oops!
I think the decision is good
kaushal would you like to expand on that some more.
i don't hate the idea, but i'm particularly intrigued as to why you think it's good?
LOL at Vee8'st Formula One.1 and Formula One.2
I was unable to quote using that from Mr C's Vee8 link post
Does Bernie have a Desktop Doohickey hack?
not sure what you mean?
Yeah, it was as clear as mud wasn't it
Kept getting an Error: Can not post comment in DD when replying & quoting your Vee8 link
The only thing that fixed it was removing the " and italicizing the F1.1 bit
That doesn't help much either
Maybe it wasn't quoting the link but using quotation marks that caused a problem. I don't know, it's late...
correct. tis a bug. fixed locally, ready for next release.
basically a quote of a quote, in doohickey is a no-go right now.
Though even when I removed your quote from the post, I still got the error
This is where it gets a bit too html isn't it?
hmmm. not sure, that shouldn't happen.
Just figured the error was in there as a cookie or summink
I missed this. No doubt due to my lack of calmness resulting form some of the other measures.
It is completely wrong to backdate any rule. Clearly this will disadvantage teams who have already done a lot of straight line testing as teams developing new bits mid season will only be able to verify their wind tunnel/CFD if they did not use the bulk of their allocation pre-season.
Say It isn't so, a Scotsman celebrating St. Patrick's Day:)
No alcohol was involved in my lack of my normal calm.
Time for bed.
5 hours later and I'm all caught up, and there was much rejoicing, time for one last pint of the black stuff before bed. I hope tomorrow isn't as busy as today 'cause I need some PS3 time:)
30 Million is crazy, that's 25% less than I've just spent on 4 drivers in fantasy racing!!Ha Ha
On the subject of Budget caps.
I love the idea of the big teams having to operate with limited resources.
A budget cap would also level the playing field somewhat.
HOWEVER - how on earth would you police this? Yes the FIA can check the books - but if the FIA could not police the traction control ban, how are they going to make sure teams are being honest with their accounting?
Also, 'cost' is not the whole story - the resources that teams have acquired - or have access to through their parent companies, can make a huge difference. Ferrari for example, are the only team with their own private test track.
The budget cap might actually make it harder for new teams, as they will need to invest their money in brining their resources up to the level of the other F1 teams, leaving them less to run/develop the car.
What price do you put on the intellectual property (car designs) shared between Red Bull and Toro Rosso?
However what I really cannot stand is the idea of trying to balance two different rule books - that is never going to work.
Finally, how much money does Bernie currently pay to the teams from the TV revenue? Is it more or less than £30 mil?
Also - it is kinda funny how over the last few weeks Max has forced through the hike in the superlicense fee on the basis that 'drivers are paid huge amounts of money these days'
Then yesterday he announces a £30 mil budget cap which will result in the drivers having to take a substantial pay cut....
Unless the drivers end up getting paid by the sponsors, not the teams?
I don't think any salaries are included in these cuts
Autosport reports that:
FIA president Max Mosley confirmed that the £30 million budget cap would include drivers' salaries.
oh wow. didnt know that, all previous talks of such caps havent included drivers salaries. i can imagine only small teams would take this cap until it becomes mandatory
Even then, the FIA would give still count the salaries as part of the team's budget, even if they weren't the ones who paid for it.
Last day of testing today. It's Kazuki for Williams leading Heikki for McLaren by 8 tenths, albeit with both drivers having only done initial runs.
So drivers go freelance and have no contract with any team and get paid by sponsors to race any given car at any given race with no cost to the team.... Oh that sounds kinda 1950's 1960's to me.
Again, even then, the FIA would give still count the salaries as part of the team’s budget, even if they weren’t the ones who paid for it. It's in the released document.
Surely backwards is not the way we should be going. i know people that have given up watching F1 because of all the in fighting, rule tweeks and general cr*p that's gone on with the FIA over the last 2/3 years. I really do think it's time for a change at the top and some real stability, or we'll finish up with a 2 tier sport that's nothing like the pinnacle of motor sport that it's supposed to be.
Hmm. Le Seb crashed out in testing at Sebring yesterday.
http://iheartfranck.com/2009/03/18/peugeot-improve-on-day-2/
Not impressed.
Maybe it's time for some-one to wrest the reins from Max and Bernie, the same way they did 30 years ago in the FISA-FOCA take over, some-one who really has the sport at heart, and not their pockets.
Easier said than done. Max has so much support in the FIA Senate, there's no way he can get voted out - unless whoever would replace him can offer the senators something... more.
Bernies on the Radio....he does make me angry
Yeah I guess you're right Journeyer, I just get really wound up about things like this,the powers that be dont seem to have the sport at heart the same as the genuine fans, ie you n me etc.
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. But absolute power is also absolutely harder to remove. Heck, Ferrari with all their might can't seem to do it.
"I do hold a grudge."
yes you do :)
And the likelihood that the end of year, final race shoot-outs will become a rarity {Comment #4}
Ironic. Just when Brazil 2008 shows that final race shoot-outs are the precise tonic F1 needs, the FIA seeks to reduce them - despite putting out a press release a few weeks back demonstrating this to be the case!
One day, the FIA will be capable of thinking in a logical, contiguous manner. Until then it's a liability to F1 and motorsport.
That'll only happen when Stadler and Walder leave their respective posts.......
One simple question that doesn't seem to make sense to me...
We had the closest ever formula 1 championship decider last season which seemed to really excite everyone. But we'd like to introduce rules which would have meant that the championship was actually decided on the Saturday when we saw the qualifying positions.
personally, after last year, i wouldn't have changed a thing, bar maybe bringing in slicks.
however, as brundle pointed out yesterday, the teams and the drivers would've approached that race differently given the new "wins" situation. so it's not really comparable.
I must admit that I found the whole cruise around Brazil and get the WDC title almost by default a little disappointing, I didn't find that exciting at all.
I do quite like the idea of wins deciding the title but it could be the case that the drivers who are 2nd or 3rd in the championship have many more points than the winner .. can that be fair? I'd say yes, for deciding the constructors championship but not for the WDC winner. I get the feeling that they haven't really thought through the consequences properly. Is Max away with the FIAries?
can steven roy be the first person (i think) to post more than 2,000 comments in less than 30 days?
Ooooh. With live commenting coming up, as well, that's going to be passed easily :)
i think someone is after lou's title!
One of the things that frustrates me is the money spent on aero development in F1. It seems to be the major differentiator in performance. I don't believe we get enough 'real world' benefit from this.
What if there was a way to standardise the aero? All the cars would run the exact same bodywork, just painted different colours. Would it be boring, or would we forget what we used to have as soon as the racing improved? To me, looks come behind other things.
Money should go into chassis, engine, brakes and drivers. Have some adjustment of front and rear wings (for safety and so teams can still get it wrong) but basically return car racing to:
a) if you don't have the most powerful engine, a well tuned chassis can make the difference; or
b) if you have the best engine and the best chassis, then you win until someone catches up
Yeah. And would McLaren have appealed Massa's "win" if it was deciding the championship?
they have previous on that score!
My main issue with this new points system is the Belgium stewards decision. Last year that cost Hamilton 25 seconds which worked out to be 4 points. Under the new system it costs a win which is a much bigger issue. On that basis the FIA cannot stick it's head in the sand and say that you're not allowed to appeal against the stewards decision. It's no longer simply a time penalty - it was as good as a disqualification.
Yes but not necessarily with the aim of Hamilton winning the race but perhaps with the aim of preventing Massa winning the race - not exactly what Bernie was hoping for when he suggested the medals.
which is exactly what alonso said he'd do to hamilton, and that was a very interesting part of the build up.
But the FIA would deny it anyway, since you can't appeal a drive-through imposed during the race.
Which is exactly what Formula 2, GP2, Formula Renault, Formula Ford etc all are. Since it's early days all manufacturers have strived to put the best and most revolutionary bits of kit on the grid. Restrict it with single standard in any area you become just another motorsport class. People will debate this forever, but I believe you should not restrict the ultimate motorsport class.
Thanks - I'm now stuck with the image of Hamilton and Kovalainen blocking in Massa whilst Raikkonen and Alonso trail around slowly so that Massa can keep up.
:-)
I think the only increase in overtaking we'll see from this rule will be between teammates who will be more willing to risk both cars not finishing.
Too late - they are restricting things. They should at least restrict things that make sense.
Hmmm... but even teammates won't just risk an overtaking maneuver, lest they violate the cardinal rule of racing: never take your teammate out.
A quick heads up for anybody in the Birmingham area tomorrow evening and interested in learning some more about KERS:
ENERGY REGENERATION IN FORMULA ONE
http://nearyou.imeche.org.uk/events/event.htm?eID=2307
It's actually a 7pm start with "light refreshments" before hand - hence the 6:30 start on the link.
Sounds similar (identical?) to the talk recently attended by some in these here parts?
Blindingly obvious quote of the day goes to Mr Max Mosley....
“There is no reason why cost-capped teams could not win races, [though] the massive and highly-organised, unlimited-expenditure teams are perhaps likely to do a better job of going racing. They will have the most expensive race engineers and tacticians, not to mention the top-earning drivers. However, racing is – and should be – unpredictable.”
Thanks Max because we couldn't work out ourselves that a team running off £30 million is going to do worse than a team running on £100 million!
yup, same thing. cheers for the link.
Phew. For a minute I thought you'd be heading for your third lecture of the year!!
hehehe. it's good to talk.
So Bernie thinks Jenson will be wining races next year after about 6 days of testing he is drawing the conclusion like pretty much everyone that they are super quick... don't get me wrong i hope they are. But Bernie saying Jenson stands a better shot at the championship with the new regs? i just don't see it. Surely with the old regs he stood a good chance cause Brawn could do something similar to BMW this year. But winning most of the races? i just can't see it.
I've stopped listening to bernie completely now. Should've started a long time ago.
I started typing a longer response to the WMSC proposals, but it's become ridiculously long, so I moved it to my blog.
In fact, it ended up so long that I've decided to split it into parts. I just can't believe the WMSC would shoot itself in the foot so much...
Well if you're going to equalise their performance aren't they supposed to be able to win races? In fact, isn't the whole point that the highly-organised, unlimited-expenditure teams are not ALLOWED to do a better job of going racing?
In fact, isn't the real point that you're turning the highly-organised, unlimited-expenditure teams into a pointless exercise when you can manage on £30 million (still can't believe they tied this to sterling) and Uncle Max will make sure the big spenders are no faster than you whilst simultaneously handing over the unsavioury task of making a lot of those "expensive race engineers and tacticians redundant"?
With a two-tier team system I can only assume their will be a two-tier superlicense system for the drivers in each respective group?
Or maybe not...
As an update to what happened yesterday, I felt a bit groggy when I woke up this morning so I didn't go to work. My colleague called me at 10 and said that they were sent home after sitting in the canteen for a bit as the smell was still pretty strong. I am glad to be at home working now because going in would have meant a 4 hour round trip for two hours work!
What happened yesterday Gavin?
So drivers go freelance and have no contract with any team and get paid by sponsors to race any given car at any given race with no cost to the team…. Oh that sounds kinda 1950’s 1960’s to me. {Comment #64}
Unfortunately the requirement of all F1 drivers to have a contract filed with the CRB causes some difficulties. Unless there was a secondary unfiled contract that handled the money issues and only billed minimum wage to the teams themselves, the full price would be liable, even if the teams had nothing to do with the payment of the drivers in question.
This.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/williams-jpg
Williams sans sticky up bits.
That's bringing sexy back! :-D
Hi everyone
where did the sidepodpanel come from?? I put my name down to join in yet never got told it was happening :-(
There was no date agreed (and still isn't) yet on the wiki page.
Grrrrr........
As for Bernie and Max with their new 'ideas' it's just a tactic by them to be seen to be in charge. They clearly don't like FOTA calling any of the shots. So basically Bernies lot did their 'Fans' survey and dismissed everything from it.
PS did you get my voicemail on sunday? Gave some race predictions....
sorry. we do it live on sunday's. where was ya?
yeah, it was very up in the air due to mixer difficulties (still ongoing), we didn't know if we could even do it until about 1am on that day.
erm, christine says no:
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/03/14/take-a-wild-guess/#comment-217317
don't think we've lost any?
oh good grief :)
bernie's agreed to fota's tv graphic proposals:
"We've been a bit strung up with our graphics because although we had the information (before), we couldn't use it. It was the same with the 'ship-to-shore' radio. It was interesting for viewers but the teams said we can't use it."
yippeee!
more: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73763
common sense prevails for once! :)
it's only fota and bernie involved in this one. interesting.
i guess the FIA don't really have a role here? i mean, it's not like it goes against any FIA rules.
completely. it's interesting that as you say "common sense prevails", but it doesn't involve the fia.
but it does involve bernie, so common sense prevailing is still quite an accomplishment. :)
Max will stick his oar in.
How about: "The FIA has discovered that it is unsafe for the cars location to be passed to the other teams because of safety reasons".
It's usually something circular like that!
We're narrowing down where the problem really is.
Oh dear, must've smelt like a hairdresser's salon
I hope everyone is ok
mclaren parts held together by gaffa tape:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/f1-car-gaffa-tape-png
standards are dropping in ron's absence aren't they?
It REALLY stunk!
My friend got taken away for treatment but she tells me she is ok... as far as I know, everyone is OK :-D
wheres this gaffa tape? i cant see it:(
but he didn't really leave... :-/
Well, it does fix everything.
highlighted in red:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/f1-car-gaffa-tape-highlighted-png
sorry, only have paint right now :(
It's probably Speed Tape. They use it in the aviation industry (Bassano would know). It can survive transatlantic flights.
Paint Rocks. Don't diss!
ah right, wondered if thats what you meant after id sent the message.
Can somebody please help me:
I am looking to buy a new PC within the next year for games mostly. What sort of specs (EG processor, RAM, graphics card) should I be looking for?
Tis true but it's really just sticky aluminium
Aerospace Gaffer Tape™
Get a Mac and run windows for games
looks like the stuff we use to me?
just found another with the diffuser and what looks like electrical tape:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/electrical-tape-f1-mclaren-png
odds that mp4-24b will actually be a 3-wheeled yellow van?
get a mac and a wii for games :)
don't be too harsh - it's testing. if the electrical tape makes it to melbourne, though...
what's the difference? i
wantneed some.It's on the list ;)
Heavy duty gaffer tape that stays on for weeks never mind transatlantic flights
Must dash now, see y'all later
nooo, you can't go now. you can't tell a man his gaffa tape his substandard and then just up an leave?
All Wikipedia says is:
"Speed tape is a tape used to do minor repairs on airplanes. It looks similar to duct tape (silver grey) but its adhesive is capable of sticking on an airplane fuselage or wing at high speeds, hence the name.
This aluminised tape is also known as 600 mph tape."
How fast are you planning to go?
nowhere. it's for the web cam.
I reckon gaffa tape might be acceptable.
yeah, but it's not aerospace gaffa tape though is it?
There was a great story somewhere online, with video, from a guy who was on a plane about to take off and he noticed a whole load of guys sticking things down on the wing with this stuff, but obviously he didn't know what it was. Somebody came to tell him to stop filming because the plane was taking off he asked what this tape stuff was, other people heard and it started a panic and everyone got off the plane and refused to fly.
Off-topic now: anyone heard of the news that IBM is in talks to buy Sun Microsystems?
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ibm-reportedly-talks-buy-sun/story.aspx
pictures from Melbourne
*runs around in circles*
Ooooooh! :)
JJ Lehto writes a column now?!
Whoop! :D
I would just liek to add that I've just spent 3 hours outside *something I try to avoid...* and it's absolutely glorious. :D
Just me and my MP3 players
No you can ask him questions here, he will answer them tomorrow one o'clock Finnish time.
Like this?
Ah maybe I've not found you properly
I typed in Sidepodcast under skype contacts and found you but that was sunday I left a message etc. Should i be dialling the number instead?
appears mclaren ran a revised diffuser today:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/mclaren-new-diffuser-png
has a raised central section and looks to be covered in more flow-vis paint. also now sporting bridgestone stickers.
that's all you need.
did you hear christine asking you to leave a message after the beep?
but is it working? Heikki is setting high 1:19s right now - and that's a second behind the Brawn and Ferrari's average pace of 1:18s.
thb, i'm not all that excited about the new graphics. stuff like race lines are fine, but strategy stuff like fuel loads....i liked that when someone makes a surprise qualifying, we are all very excited to find out weather he was light or not. we don't know about the race strategy until the 1st rounds of pit stops, and after that we keep guessing who will stay out longer...in my opinion, it really adds to the excitement....."raikkonen is trailing hamilton by 3 seconds"...who will be the first to pit....someone tell me (you see i don't really want to know until it happens. i'd want hamilton to pit first of course).....stuff like that
and about that aerodynamic freedom, will capped teams be allowed to race '08 chassis?
and no rev limits? if i'm the owner of a small team, i'd use an engine to its fullest on one race, get a good bunch of points and take the penalty for the next race, no problem ..i can develop the car to be excellent on high speed tracks or something and win the drivers championship having the advantage in those tracks. would that be possible?
god i'm so upset with that total gp wins thing. ok, i'm a diehard ferrari (and BMW) fan but it was awesome that the championship was over only at the last corner. if we are at a position like last year, we all know that, normally, massa would've won no matter what. again less excitement.
Yes I did, maybe I messed up by not ending the call properly perhaps??
I requested Sidepodcats as a contact but I don't think you've added to me your list yet as yr Skype symbol always shows offline.
shall check this evening, normally we're offline except for sunday evenings though.
Sidepodcats?
Well there's ya problem!
f1 today have heikki with a 1:18.202, no idea if that's correct though?
That makes perfect sense then why i'm missing you!
Why not do a search for RCC (aka rockingcopsecorner) and add me!
I shall make sure I check every Sunday now for the sidepodpanel etc
cool. we'll likely say in the comments too. normally we're more organised, but just troubled by technical gremlins at the moment.
me too.
:D
Damm those sneaky felines
They'll be chasing McLaren's Sidepodbird. :-)
Just noticed we have 290 teams in our Fantasy Racers league. Will we get to 300 before the season begins?
:-)
We believe you... millions wouldn't ;)
Still no headset delivery though. :( Was posted yesterday morning.
I've created the maximum 5 that I can - sorry... :D
Thank god for that!!
We have more participants than the rest of the top 10 teams per league combined!
woo-hoo! am not logged in, how's the autosport team looking?
72.
I joined the Pitlane Fanatic league as well, and cos of the way the teams are listed, I went straight to the top of the league. :)
Won't be there long, I'm sure!!
I could create another login?
go you.
cool. am getting quite excited now :)
MTVmax' expert for driving styles this season
Interesting how you can combine the budget cap idea with the new points system - if you're not in a position to win you have to do really badly in order to minimise the effect of leveling the performance difference.
Well she looks like a 'style expert' at least!
http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php?postid=3518947#post3518947
;)
You bad man :-)
It is - he had a run of 1:18s. But he's back in the 1:20s.
i just know that's gonna come back and bite me...
Cheeky!
i'd be less cocky if didn't have jordan. how tight is that man's contract btw?
McLaren have found what was causing the problem - it was all the vis flow paint and sensor arrays (not to mention the gaffer tape that wasn't gaffer tape)
Hehe.
Browsing through Youtube and came across this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLejkyXbJlc
I could do that (ahem)
it better be waterproof! :P
getting up there, maybe. no way would i come down again though.
I bet only animals could hear him after that landing - ouch...
1am? I was still being half bothered about it at 6:45pm!
revised article 7:
7) DEAD HEATS AND TIES
7.1 Points awarded for all the positions of competitors who are involved in a dead heat will be added together and shared equally. In the event of two drivers being involved in a dead heat for first place both will be classified first for the purpose of establishing the driver’s title in accordance with Article 6.1 above.
7.2. If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, or the same number of points and the same number of wins, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to :
a) if the number of first places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of second places ;
b) if the number of second places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges ;
c) if this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.
ummm, which bit has changed?
Probably 7.1.
old article 7
7) DEAD HEAT
Prizes and points awarded for all the positions of competitors who tie, will be added together and shared equally.
7.2. If two or more constructors or drivers finish the season with the same number of points, the higher place in the Championship (in either case) shall be awarded to :
a) the holder of the greatest number of first places,
b) if the number of first places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of second places,
c) if the number of second places is the same, the holder of the greatest number of third places and so on until a winner emerges.
d) if this procedure fails to produce a result, the FIA will nominate the winner according to such criteria as it thinks fit.
Spot the difference
Yup. So in case Hamilton and Massa had a dead heat for a win last year, for example, they'd both be credited with 1 win.
At least they didn't miss that loophole.
I wonder if Ferrari will try to engineer dead heats then so they can keep both drivers in the hunt? :D
that went well last time!
And oh, how we laughed!
I can't tell you how much I wanted Schumacher to lost the title by two points that year. Was never going to happen though.
I'm still reading through the new sporting regulations. I didn't know the speed limit in the pitlane is 100km/h during the race
Watch this video at about 2.40 and you will get a vague idea of how fast they are actually going in the pit lane.
Also, the way he hits the cone is hilarious.
Dude, where's the video?
Flibster, just checked out that you-tube vid. Awesome but I think that's probably why Richard Branson declined to join F1, those boys are sponsored by Redbull. Can you imagine Rubens doing that on a can of virgin energy drink....... I'm thinking the outcome might not have been the same!!!!!
Interesting article from ESPN. They think that NASCAR would benefit from F1's new points system...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3990779&name=hinton_ed
amended FIA sporting and tech regs here:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/1-2009-f1-technical-regulations-showing-alterations-17-03-2009-pdf
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/1-2009-f1-sporting-regulations-showing-alterations-17-03-2009-pdf
changes in pink.
Does anyone think McLaren may have been sandbagging. It seems very unlikely that they just happened to find all that time at the end of the last test after their rivals had shipped their cars to Australia. I now have to catch up on all the comments for today. I wonder what Max thinks of his wins system now if that pace is legit. Lewis could be champ by August and a new points based system introduced by September.
USGPE will be very pleased to hear an American endorsement of F1 I would have thought?
I think so. Mclaren are too mighty to get it that wrong, especially when they were part of the group that developed the rules, right?
Screenshots from this month's Top Gear F1 article (inc. few website mock ups):
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/9623/img001o.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1503/img002w.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5421/img003pnc.jpg
I would have given anything to have seen Bernie or Max's face when those times came in after the changes they made yesterday. Wonder if McLaren have a mole in high office? You have to wonder if Kovi can do those time would Lewis have been in the 17s.
Oh post in moderation!
And, Chris Evans on Radio 2 discussing F1 this afternoon asking folk to phone in regarding recent changes.
It's a distinct possibility isn't it? What's more important is their long-run pace, and I have a feeling that it ain't all that quick though...
Also, who says F1 isn't road-relevant?? Land Rover are going to use KERS!
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/03/18/jaguar_land_rover_kers/
Does he usually talk about Formula 1?
He seems to like it. Has mentioned it quite a few times recently, though it might be because the BBC are trying to promote F1 as much as possible in the lead up to Melbourne? He did have Mark Webber on the show a couple of weeks ago.
I was thinking about this while I was drinking some green beer last night. Under this new point system if a front running team like Ferrari qualifies poorly, say like what happened at Monza this year, what is the point of them running in the race? Instead of staying out there to salvage some points, I just get the feeling that some teams will give up on races that don’t suit them and save their engines for races they can win. I just see way too much room for manipulation in this proposal.
Martin Brundle on Radio 2 in a minute (well five minutes actually)
...and the editor of Motorsport Magazine (Nigel Roebuck?)
He is a racing fan and has been to a few GPs. He has two sports slots on his sow and F1 features fairly regularly. When he was on Virgin he had a karting team called something like Ginger Racing. I am surprised Top Gear haven't put him in their reasonably priced car.
They did. ;)
In the Suzuki
If they have a driver who has scored a couple of wins early in the season they are as well parking his car and saving engine life. Or if they have someone who is particularly strong on the last three tracks on the claendar save him a new engine for each and let him cruise round on an old engine at other tracks.
I know he's a bit of a petrol head but more likely is the fact that he's on the bbc, and they're getting everyone to talk about F1 coz they've got it back. Check the news nowadays it's popping up all the time, when they were'nt showing it they did'nt care. Ah the power of the media.
Yeah he went 4th quickest didn't he?
Maybe they should get Braun electric razors to sponsor them.
or perhaps, Brawny paper towels?
Oh Christ. It's been a few years since I left the green and pleasant land for the states but I see that the music hasn't got any better. The Pet Shop Boys are still churning out stuff?
(Listening to beeb2 online).
My memory ain't what it was.
Nico Rosbergs responce to the new rules:
What nonsense is this?
:D
His dad wouldn't of won the title under this system.
Well, Brundle pretty much said no more than what was on the BBC F1 site yesterday.
We should put some money together and see if Ross would be willing to take about 200 pounds to put the sidepodcast logo on the car somewhere.
Also, Ross should really consider calling the makers of Braun Electric Shavers and Brawny paper towels to see if they are interested.
first time i ever heard of jenson button was on his tfi friday tv show.
Just added a radio rip of Brundle's Radio 2 interview to drop.io in case anyone missed it...
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/brundle-radio2-mp3
ace :)
I just had a vision of a NASCAR driver who just won a race in a Brawn with that sponsorship:
"The Braun, Brawny, Brawn was awesome today!"
Ha-ha :)
Not even close. During the season that number was broken a few times. I could stop commenting.
was it? i forget.
Nice one, thanks
i'm agreeing with martin. at the end of the day the points changes probably won't make any difference.
...and you can hang me with that one in december :)
F1 has always been restricted. We no longer have traction control, ABS, active suspension, ground effect aerodynamics, turbo-charged engines, free aerodynamics, launch control, free fuel, etc etc
The idea that F1 is anywhere near the ultimate is fantasy. For most of F1's existence sportscars had freer regulations.
No worries. Also added a rather amusing picture of Scott Speed in the NASCAR pitlane. What does he think he looks like?
McLaren with an F3 car is never going to beat Minardi with an F1 car.
thumbnails on the autosport homepage may reveal renaults secret plan:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/top-secret-renault-revealed-by-autosport-png
houdini-esque.
He's eased my anger at it but I'm not negative about it. Not that it'll cloud my own personal love for the sport of course
..I'm still negative. 'not negative' just blows my mind thinking about such an expression!
Ron would never allow anything as garish as yellow.
What can I say, I like to be ahead of the game.
He is safe at least until Christine gives him the keys for the RSPCRF1 Osprey.
I still am angry. Martin has lost the plot on this one.
I think if I was involved in FOTA I would be using this to throw my weight around. Get all the members together and put out a statement that FOTA members will not race under this system. Nothing Max and Bernie can do if that happens. The teams would instantly have established that they have control of the sport. Come on FOTA it's time to slap some egos.
And when the FIA meddled with it and changed Group C, all the manufacturers left and effectively ruined the sport for a whole decade...
here's another way of looking at it...
all i've heard all day, on the tv, on the radio, on the web and in the blinkin' office is people talking about f1.
and the season starts in what 10 days?
in terms of getting headlines, could the timing have been any better? maybe the fia could still change there mind, maybe it won't make a bit of difference. either way, everybody is talking about formula 1.
everybody.
Yes. Watch them retract the 'wins thingy' just before the race - to get more headlines.
F1 loves a scandal and there's no such thing as bad publicity - look at the thing with Max last year!
They have screwed up that championship, the WRC and F1. Quite a record for a bunch of megalomaniacs.
I think I made that point last night. Bernie has put Max up to this to generate dollars and maybe to set him up to fail. In the end the first time we have a season like 2002 which we will in the not too distant future then this system will be dropped.
19:54 in yesterday's daily thread. I went on a little rant about Bernie and dollars.
I just realised. Tomorrow should be spacewalk day.
that's not what i'm saying though? bernie and max are generating revenue by generating headlines. i don't think anyone is up for a fall except for fota.
And DTM... Twice...
Bernie is trying everything he can to split FOTA. He tried to do it by admitting he had ought Ferrari's participation in F1 to split up the GPMA. He then put a bid in for Honda and now this. He is failing miserably so far and for whatever reason Ferrari seem to be sticking with the teams. If the teams stick together for another couple of years they can set up their own championship and walk away from F1. The FIA and Bernie have put out statements in the past that whatever championship Ferrari compete in is the real F1 and if FOTA set up their own championship they will use that.
Bernie is only interested in Bernie. He has two ways he can look after his own interests. He can do his usual divide and conquer and clearly that is what he is trying now. The $30 million budget cap is clearly designed to get the big teams to negotiate an alternative to their businesses being destroyed.
His other alternative is to cut out Max and side with the teams and slide change his medai and circuit contracts to their championship and at the same time cut out CVC. This option would give him a lot more personal value. If you can't divide and conquer you play both sides against the middle.
The only way FOTA can lose is if they split. If they stick togther for two or three years they can screw Bernie, Max the FIA, CVC and everyone else.
I wonder, if FOTA breaks F1 from the FIA and move the operating headquarters to the states (where F1 wouldn't have to have seperate regulatory and financial divisions) could the FIA, Bernie, and the rest do anything about it?
You know, all this talk of a split - it's not going to make the sport better. Look at IndyCars in the states - the split ruined US single seater racing and if it ever recovers, it's going to take a heck of a long time!
They need to find a solution that involves some sort of mediation or compromise - not just walk away.
I wanna see that day, I've said it before I've been following this sport of ours for the best part of 40 years and the last 10/15 have been the worst as far as changes,squabbles,power struggles,back stabbing and in-consistancy from the FIA and Bernie. The sooner they're outta here the better as far as I'm concerned, I'd pay money to get rid. If FOTA stick together I believe they've cracked it, solidarity will over come.
According to Max, the scandal last year was a set up to try and oust him - that didn't work.
F1 is ruled by two dictators who can stay for as long as they please :-(
i'd could be worse. it could be todt, max and bernie.
It is two different situations. With the CART / IndyCar split, you had teams and tracks fighting over the make up of the schedule and the fact that Tony George didn't like Roger Penske and Newman Hass dominating every year. The teams and tracks divided among the series.
With this situation, you all the teams in the same basket. Unlike the U.S. racing series the teams, not the tracks, have all the power. The only team that really worries me is Williams with the bailout money they recieved from Bernie.
That hasn't been stunning successful over the past few decades of F1. We just get more and more stupid rules and more and more ridiculous perversions of reality. I am not talking about a split. I am talking about a coup d'etat.
We had that situation for the best part of a decade.
Look what happened the last time those nations got close.......we'd still finish up with Bernie, The german will want to control everything,the frenchman will let him and the engishman will have none of it, and as I said that's Bernie. For the moment I stick with "better the devil you know" especially at they're age, they cant last much longer.
Isn't it ironic that Ferrari is the leader of this insurrection called FOTA? I wonder their increased discontent with Bernie and the FIA has to do with the fact that Todt has been pretty much gone from the paddock the last few years.
It's because Monty-Zimmerframe and the Toad hate each other. There was an article posted yesterday that said that Toad wanted Schumi and Monty wanted Kimi. Monty won and now Toad has left. So if TOad joins the FIA then Monty will want to oppose him - hence the raison d'etre of FOTA!
There was an interview on Irish radio a few minutes ago with Eddie Jordan. He was just discussing the wins-only and budget cap rules, adding a slight bit about working with DC. It was only 5 minutes or so. I'm busy for the next few hours but I'll have a look later to see if I can get i and upload it to drop.io.
Hey again, back after the second biggest farce ever. Grr. Don't say I'm happy, cos I ain't.
Though that means I'll have to beat Mr C again ;)
hmm?
Check identi.ca, this close (well, imagine a thumb and a finger really close together) to going insane at it.
ahhh.
Care to elaborate?
Well, after yesterdays frustration and anger at the new rules and regulations, I've looked at everything afresh and with an open mind after sleeping on it.
I'm still frustrated and angry.
Basically travelled all the way to the away ground, got there, rest of the team told me the game was off, we waited for the managers response, he said to us that the game was meant to be today, but the home team decided to put it back to next week at the last minute.
Yeah I've had that happen before :-(
am i really the only person who's actually not bothered? i feel like i'm missing out by not being angry?
i'm most concerned about the backdated straight-line testing limitations. but until a team confirms that they knew nothing about them prior to the wmsc meeting, i have no justification for concern there either.
More time goes on I really think it was just an angry reaction, its not the best solution, but damn it could be a whole lot worse
Sod it... lets just get the damn racing started please!
It's just the ongoing frustration that Bernie and the FIA constantly have to mess with the rules apparently just to keep themselves amused. We have had two of the best seasons I remember in the 15 or so years I've been watching F1, so why fix what isn't broken?
and i agree. common sense. no question.
still doesn't make me angry about it though.
I think it's just that after years of seeing the quality of racing slowly decline, things have been looking pretty damn good again, especially for the coming season. Then Bernie has to go and stick his oar in and mess things up again. I'm just going to have to stop myself getting too excited about things in future!
That, and the fact that in my first grand prix on batracer my clutch went on the first lap.
How?
Medals.
So I guess the BBC reads Sidepodcast.
This is medals as far as the champion is concerned.
Great quote from Jenson on Autosport.com -
"For sure it's an incentive to always go for the win, but it seems risky too - after nine races, we could find ourselves with a driver that has already won the title and can stand still eating ice cream, while the guy in second in the standings is just 18 points behind."
The stupid F1 advert with the black and yellow cars is on BBC1. That is pathetic. Could they not have found two people who could drive a bit and made it look realistic. Our kart rac was faster than that.
yeah but, they don't have to wear them around their necks and the still get a nice (abbey shaped) trophy.
Hasn't Christine bought that domain name and if so, isn't that copyright .. could you prevent them linking to "the big picture" when it's not your site?
fyi: brad's blog has moved:
http://formulaone.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/16/new-season-new-address-for-this-f1-blog/
We had this discussion before, then bostom.com will get involved.
Dunno why bostom.com would get involved for, maybe boston.com nicked there domain name?
Oops sorry, I must have missed that .. I'll just go sit in the corner with my dunces hat on doh!
No no. You may have missed that, we talk too much. Blame Steven. ;)
Even if we did sue the BBC and make off with millions, chances are Bernie would turn round and sue us for using F1.
Naturally! .. and talking of blaming Steven, ehem, I see I was volunteered to host a podpanel! .. have done the decent thing now and added my name to the wiki
Oh I don't mean sue them, just say if you are going to have to call your big picture something else
That was never an option. If you look back at the 70s and beyond you wil see race winners with huge laurel wreaths round their necks. They were banned because they covered sponsors logos. Medals would have to be tiny to be pass that test. This is all Bernie wanted all along.
:)
christine and i are taking the bbc's big pic introduction as compliment. in the same manner that we'd hope boston.com took our homage to their brilliant idea.
It was very good of you to volunteer.
Maybe they might reply with
'Where should we send your license fee to then?'
:D
What ho spiffing and all that :D
nah.
personally i can see the bbc winding a lot of people up, the way they appear to be cherry picking ideas, but not really doing anything original.
am still expecting a weekly f1 caption competition from them, and i'm surprised they haven't stolen rob's "gravel trap" idea too.
time will tell though.
Remember folks, quiz time on Pitlane Fanatic in 10 minutes or so
ace. ta.
Looks like not many people are doing the quiz this week
:(
I'll be in in a min
i'm over there. also tuning into alms radio le mans:
http://www.radiolemans.com/
I never remember radio lemans
cancel that, can't get at the activation email for some reason.
Check ya junk-mail.
I'll ask Maverick to look for you
checked me junk but nout.
should be activated
cheers
Hopefully I have added the Eddie Jordan interview to dropio. I have never used it before so I am not sure if I did it right.
cheers Al, tis perfect. worth embedding too:
Phew
am snowed under :'( however i'll keep an eye on it. will take part the first week of my hols if someone reminds me :D
it's a honda special.
your kidding! the one time i could do well.... ergh...
Mainly from the first era in the 60s though, you might have got 1 or 2
You wha?
looking at the questions i know 3... not sure about the others...
Thats about 3 more than I know! :D
you must know one of them ;)
It IS hard tonight Lou :(
Nope, don't remember anyone winning for honda
;)
Did anyone win?
i believe you, so far i know.. i think.... 4..... :(
I like it this week. Think I am going to do OK. On the first few questions anyway.
Would be interesting to do a super-duper Mav v Steven quiz :D .. and idea for when I host the panel maybe ;)
Sidepodquiz special? The Duel.
if they're up for it, but who could write those kinda questions?
That would be cool
I have a book?
I'll help write them
I wanted more Honda questions! Was doing well for a short while...
Hmm gimme a week or two .. wonder if they would do it
haha
that would be ace. just say the word.
I'll try anything like that. I should point out that I haven't actually won one of these quizzes yet and Olli hammered me last week.
so, 3 contenders
Can they get funky buzzers to press?
Wonder how you could do that as a panel , it would have to be like University challenge and buzz to answer or something
like a Tremaining one and maybe a silly Murray quotation buzzer
Does that mean we'll have to disqualify the winner too?
Right, starter for 10, which world champion started his career at Minardi in 2001?
Campus Roy
Fernando Alonso
i'm officially pleased i am not taking part in the quiz... they are v. hard questions. although 14 is the easiest :)
How?
Oh golly I've just realised it.
LOU!!
14. Which Formula 1 driver is sometimes known as the "Frome-Flyer"?
easiest question ever!! :P
what?
you just helped rg :(
Now nobody has to mention any names here
oh sorry... i assumed everyone would get it... sorry.
:)
You assumed I'm clever. I'm thinking what the hell is Frome.
hehehe :D
Unfortunately I'm still thinking that.
I think Frome was the car he drove
Really, I thought that one was easy
:D
see i'm not the only one ;)
Theres so many hard questions I often don't see the obvious.
erm....... he has driven a car called Frome yes..
alms news: klien's car may miss qually:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73771
Thanks for the tip :D
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Things would be looking good now if it weren't for that Lotus question...
:(
I actually got it immediately but don't tell anyone
:)
I still don't know if that helps.
:(
Wow, that was tough.
but did you enjoy it?
Lets be honest though, its addictive, I've been doing it for two months nearly, keep saying stop, but no, its now a tradition.
In a sick, twisted sort of way, yes :D
The fun way is to set a bar to beat someone, like mine is Mr C.
I think that was the easiest of the four or five I have done.
Try not to set your bar to high though, several people are very intelligent
care to name names ;)
I think we know who those people are.
I think it is a real shame Klien's car is trashed and he is going to miss quali
Some of us are clever enough to know they'd not get as many points as Mr C, so don't take part...
:D
Pardon me for being thick here, but is this quali for the proper Le Mans 24 hour race?
No. Sebring 12 hours in Florida. The first big sportscar race of the season. This Saturday
http://www.americanlemans.com/index_news.php?n=12552
Stephane Sarazzin fastest in afternoon practise in Franck's car.
Franck's car fastest and Klien's trashed. I hope Mr C has some tranquilisers for Christine.
Oh dear! .. Thanks for the link Steven
The oh dear was for the tranquiliser comment
The race is 10:30am-10:30pm Eastern time Saturday. There will be a live commenting session here for the full race.
For the FULL race? OMG
oooh yes :)
Never having been to a race live commenting session here I fear I may get lost in the comments
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/06/14/the-le-mans-24-hour-thread/
We live commented Le Mans for 24 hours last year. :)
Never having been to a race live commenting session here in sidepodland, I fear I may get lost in the sea of comments
*shudders at the thought of all the comments she will miss from 6pm - 11pm* can't believe i'm going to miss the last bit.
864 comments .. I'm sure you will at least tripple that this year
Won't it be on until 2:30 am GMT?
we jackie, we. you know you want too.
Is that just into Sunday then?
Think of it as a warm up to Melbourne
I'm game but I know absolutely nothing about those funny looking cars
Those times are Eastern US so add 4/5 hours depending when our clocks change
neither did we for le mans. steven will educate you.
Me neither. I know lots about Franck though :)
oh good point... so i'll be missing most of it then. :/
So, let me get this straight, 12 hour live comment on sunday starting in the wee small hours and finishing 2 or 3pm .. followed by sidepodpanel in the evening? I'll die of tiredness
i love this comment on lemans thread:
"The only thing that concerns me is we have live commenting on a season load of GPs, now Le Mans and I dread to think what will be next. A full sportscar season, rally season, Red Bull air races or the Superbowl?"
yup, we did that too.
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/06/14/the-le-mans-24-hour-thread/#comment-77401
Ending not starting
Okay, thats not quite so bad then
18 points, I'll settle for that for a first attempt.
Managed to beat Mr C by half a point :D
pah!
:(
if you think about it you actually beat R.G.... cause if i hadn't been in the comments he would never have got one of the answers right ;)
Zip it. ;)
ahhhhhh.
Woohoo! I got 11. That's one more than last time. This is progress :)
12 hours Saturday starting at 2:30pm
:)
much better :D
I already knew the answer, just teasing ya all.
Actually, I lie, I got 17.
I will miss the first few hours but will catch the bit where McNish wins.
sure you were :P
Boo.
That's twice now
Yeah, of course I knew Button was from Frome. Didn't know he flew though.
hondajet?
He is starting his own airline with Honda planes
See, learn something everyday.
erm... yeah sure he does :s
is that gonna go ahead now though?
If you don't know there is no point asking us.
Fantasy Racers league now has 296 teams
I was discussing this with Luke earlier, he said there was a pub in Frome called the Frome Flyer.. and it is on Jenson avenue....
oh. well... i thought you may know.. or could make a guess :P
That Honda-esque quiz was quite good. First time I've participated and as long as I remember, I'll have another go next week.
In that case. Yes
It's either a pub or a hotel for sure. But i just like how it's on Jenson avenue :)
Glad you enjoyed it :D
:D
Also I will have a go in one of these quizzes one week...
What channel is Le Seb Ring going to be on?
No idea but we will find a video stream somewhere.
sidepodcast.com (assuming we can find a stream).
my favourite :)
Just listened to the Eddie Jordan interview, the man speaks sense. Thanks for putting in dropio, Off to bed for me now the railway need me at 0500 tomorrow, see ya all in the morning.
good night bootneck.
I dunno if this is old or reported about today but lewis is now in Madame Tussauds with a small f1 area it seems (and an f1 game that looks like F1 2007 on the PS2 but unsure)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvSUN9Kqghs
If I make it to the Science Museum I'll bring some along for you. A couple of metres ok?
Most of the time it's either used for aerodynamic reasons during a temporary repair or to prevent moisture ingress on composite panels that have been dinked until a permanent repair can be carried out at base
can i not buy it then?
i saw some pics, the video makes him look squashed, but they've done a fine job with it.
the man himself didn't appear to be there though?
is google street view for london new?
http://bit.ly/savoy-place
we was there :)
It's F1 Championship Edition on PS3. Which is basically 2007 on PS2 but prettier.
it is quite new, but the black google cars have been out all over the country for some time now. I think the register has a page where you can record sightings.
3M™ Metal Foil Tapes
I know everyone hee is looking foward to having The Chain back as the F1 theme tune. But one I'd love to see used is Right Here Right Now by Fatboy Slim. It was used for F1 coverage when Irish broadcaster RTE had it, I definately remember it being used from 2000 up until they ended coverage in 2004.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DajTbUhRykU
There's the song. I love the way it starts at a crawling pace, and then builds up.
I can't find the actual intro that was used for the F1 by RTE anywhere unfortunately. But I prefer this over anything else, well maybe except the theme ITV used from 2003 to 2005.
If I remember correctly, Reebok used that intro in an ad too and then cut as the big beats bagan to kick in
IMHO, the intro is way better than the rest of the track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXN6-pj4kC0
There's a highlight video made with the song. Works well.
I'm out, night guys.
G'night Joe
I'm not keen on the race line graphics bit, a number of years ago Fox in the US were broadcasting hockey games and they decided to add a blue circle around the puck and a red streak when a shot was taken, it just got in the way of watching the game. I mean really it's a black puck on white ice how can you not see the puck.
I was wondering if there would be a a contingency on the F1 forums, blogs and such wanting the qualifying fuel figures to be kept quiet as 'spoilers' so as to keep some semblance of mystery for race day
I guess, here and everywhere else will be full of discussion of how team 'x' are running ultra low vs team 'y' with calculated pit stop windows published before the lights go out
Am starting to think that too much disclosure will spoil the magic and unpredictability of F1 somewhat
I disagree. Showing the lines taken by different drivers is a great idea. For too long F1 has ignored explaining the basics of the sport to the fans. There are many people who have followed the sport for many years who don't have the slightest clue about how cars handle and how different drivers drive. They can also show the difference between how a driver took a corner on new tyres vs knackered tyres. Stuff like this has to be explained.
I have sat watching races with people and heard them say that all the cars are doing exactly the same thing even when there is a massive difference in their lines. I love the Ascari chicane at Monza as it is a great place to explain the differences as you can see three corners in one shot from the exit. I sat with someone one day halfway though an Italian GP when he said all the cars were doing the same. I pointed out two cars closely following one another through Ascari. The first one mullered the first kerb while the second guy never got near it. At the right hander the situation was reversed so I explained about the effects of getting the first part right/wrong on the second part and on the exit from the third.
I shouldn't have to do that. Bernie is supposed to make the tools available to the broadcaster to do things like that.
I agree with a lot of Steven's point there but hold reservations about how well it may be handled by the broadcasters. Sublety over overkill is maybe too much to ask
That is always going to be the difficulty.
Twitter still fails to enamour me but am thinkking that I should (conjugate the verb to follow a tweet) look at Olivia Munn's twitterings, with gems like:
"Just saw Stevie Wonder - still blind"
That's aside from her being in the Top 5 fantasy league
And also : "running through japan as wonder woman really unnerves people." :)
I see what you're saying if used properly it could be a good tool to help the casual watcher or those who don't pay close attention. I guess I just don't want to see it used at every corner for every lap, maybe using it to show how a driver got a corner all wrong and the guy behind just nailed it perfectly to set up a pass.
Precisely. Making it 'enabled' for viewrrs at their choice however is how it should be, in HD with multi or chosen driver angles
Now THAT, I would pay for!
Wake up and smell the fibre optics Bernie!
Another thing that NASCAR does (on Fox, I think) is to show the draft when two cars follow each other. That looks quite cool!
Sidepodsmell update:
Back at work today and still a faint whiff of ammonia - but it's not too bad. Everything has been thoroughly cleaned too - a bit weird I must say.
Morning,Evening what ever time of your day it is. Just got to work, the morning rush hour can wait a while. Just read through comments from last night, I have to say I agree with Steve about the sport being explained to people more clearly, BBC have got a couple of bits on their web-site and I quite liked the thing Martin Brundle did on ITV a couple of seasons ago on how the cars work and are constructed, my son,12 year old thought it was brill too and learnt heaps from it.
Ah, the good ol' days. Bring back Peter Collins and RTE (and Fatboy Slim :P)!
There has been a guy walking though with a sniffer. Although it is 'safe', we have been told that if we feel uncomfortable we can move or go home. I will definitely need to take a walk at lunchtime as the air is a little stuffy in here!
The Formula 1 is a great sport and it has gone into more challenges and breakthroughs in technology that eventually benefits all of us as it is flowed through to the cars that we drive everyday.
In Australia in particular it is not as big as I would like to see, starting from the advertisement of the event on tv, as this year was approaching the awareness on tv was shocking thank God for the internet as we can receive information about dates and updates on the formula 1.
Also the coverage by channel ten this year was shocking there was to many adds and on some moments of the race it was on a commercial break so we the viewers missed out on seeing it live or at all.
Not to sound like a complainer and I realize that the tv station has the means to make good revenue in regards to the advertisements, But as an example the Tennis is broadcasted on channel 7 it is also stated live but when they show breaks it is still running live and the time taken by the add is minimal or not at all as it is shown for a quick break as they are changing servers and so forth.
With the technology that we have these days in regards to editing and live streaming why cant they show the add, thats fine as we all know that money is needed so we have the sport on tv, as a suggestion they can show the race but have it as a split screen at the same time of the add so we the viewers don't miss out on any of the action.
As I stated earlier I am a big fan of the formula 1 and I would like to see the sport well followed in Australia, and yes I am a Ferrari supporter we did not do to well in Melbourne this year, but its a good thing that more teams can be competetive as we can have always a great race to watch,Just like we were tired of seeing Holden always winning and dominating the V8 Supercars.
I would like to know your views on this
Regards
Stefano