We're into Tuesday already, and it's time to start turning our attention to the European Grand Prix. Many of the teams have released their GP previews already, and they are all starting to talk up their chances in Valencia. Here are some of the things we're talking about:
- Renault have much more of a chance in Valencia than they could have, as the Court of Appeal overturned the penalty from Hungary, and issued the team with a hefty fine instead. That means Alonso and his as yet unnamed teammate will be allowed to race around the dockyard.
- Massa has been looking a little further ahead than Valencia, and says he is hoping he might be able to return for the Brazilian Grand Prix, which is towards the end of October. He is highly aware that the final decision rests with the doctors though, so all he can do is rest up and get better.
- McLaren are hoping they can score another victory in Spain, making back-to-back victories for the team. Whitmarsh says they have even more improvements to bring to the car this weekend, and the team are all feeling supremely positive.
That's all for now. I hope you had an okay Monday, it's a brand new day. Let us know what you've got planned today, and I'll see you in the comments.
Morning everyone!
Morning sir! How art thou?
Not bad. You?
Pretty good thankin' ya.
Am currently in the cave (as it's known in my family, playing on my ps2 (retro i know ;) ) projected onto the wall, tis good fun
I'm OK, but slightly tired.
Evening all.
Still trying to process the madness of Sunday evening that was DIY with Giggles
it may well be a defining point in our lives.
I haven't old anyone 'off-site' yet. I don't know where to start
Obviously, that should've been told
I shall be heading off now. Hope my tour wasn't too annoying earlier ;) will get that annoyaning big sorted out tomorrow fingers crossed after workies.
Night all!
night lukeh.
Niiight!
G'night Lukeh
[pulls the shift-change lever]
Where were you when Giggles & Bassano put up window blinds, the grandchildren will ask you ;)
yammerer or a do'er?
Maybe there will be a phillips finger by then!
sidepodspace disaster
I just realised that the new launch date for the shuttle that we discussed last night is Sunday at stupid o'clock in the morning. I can't cope with getting up early for a shuttle launch when I am planning on being up late (OK until my normal time) to see Franck. I can see Christine sending NASA another letter about this.
Fortunately NASA being NASA the launch will probably be delayed.
I am still here, just trying to do a speedy catch up..
I wonder how Aitch's head is.
:)
He said earlier that he didn't have a hangover and was considering more beer
Good logic...silly man ;)
just found a wordpress app on android... things are looking up
I still cant get the sidepod DIY thing to work though... it resets after 1:32 on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/alexandronov
could you try it in a different browser?
I had considered catching up with today's comments
LCLT says 733 comments pending
Think I'll stick to Doohickey and be grateful for the More button allowing me to see the last hour or so more easliy
There are other browsers!?
didn't seem that busy a day?
Ah, I think you're watching the first part where he disabled the router
There may be another show after it
aha. comedy classic.
Am guessing you'll need the one that's 168mins in length
It starts by saying "guess what i did... i unplugged the router"
Whooo go firefox!
(i miss chrome)
As it was when Katherine said, but everythings's unplugged, there's no internet. Alex points to the laptop and says, clearly we have the internet
Maybe you had to be there :D
i totally missed that??
Boo only got to 4 mins-ish before reset :(
Chrome loses brownie points for that one
Oh dear, as does Firefox
Safari, Opera?
Are you letting it buffer for a while, it's a huge file?
I
I will start 30mins in and see how that goes!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77739
:D :D
Hahaha I cant believe i wasted my sunday 'doing things' when i was missing this! :D
Dad doesn't get hangovers either. I am jealous.
Sounds like a pact with the devil to me
My only consolation is that my friend is always so much worse than me
Hoping to return in Brazil is really not the same as 'targeting Brazil', is it?
Nope, but it's a start
I was referring to the headline writers but It'd be great to see him back this season - especially at his home race
http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Topster/471894
this is amusing :D
:D :D
Riiight, i need to sleep.
Night all :)
see ya jon.
as is this:
http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Pionir/471889/
Good night Jon
Can we predict who will appear next?
Too early for Journeyer....
Ah Jeremy, hello :)
timing! :-)
Question for you Bassano:
My brother in law is a pilot with QANTAS, and he will be back in London in a few weeks. I haven't asked him if he would like a man-date, but would you be interested if he said yes?
It is my dream to come to England for a meet up, but if I can't, maybe my brother in law (who's not that interested in F1, but is able to talk about anything) can?
As long as you don't call it that again, then yeah, why not :)
If I'm not on a late shift, I'm sure we can sort something out
SidepodMeet-Up International comes to Bassano!
Hello all, just watching a little football....the real football, NFL
Ooh, controversial
Personally, I don't care but RG, Gavin and a few others may be turning in their sleep right now ;)
Good for them. The Buccaneers will have a game in London this year... my team
Hi Jeremy and Joe.
That's an amazing question. How will you sell it to him? "There's this guy on the internet..."
I'm guessing he's a 747 pilot. If it helps, tell him I help run the 777 maintenance line
Here, watch this video... :D
Week off for me.
Monday consisted of a haircut, car wash and a very tiring round of golf on a course we don't visit often. Very hilly.
...he likes a drink.
Pilots like a drink or two
As long as they abide by the 8 hours: Bottles to Throttles rule
Mr. C! And a good day to you, Sir!
hi joe.
Nick, how's the playback. Fine in Firefox for me
Can't believe I'm watching it again, it's so addictive
Good news about Renault. It'll keep Luca in a seat he's more than earned.
That's pretty much the line I was going to use. The rest of Sidpodhistory would take a while to explain.
Haha :-)
Or give Gene a chance
am happy about that one. roll on friday.
Haha :-)
A380. But he's flown quite a few different aircraft in his time.
Think I'll head to bed, can hardly stay awake.
Apparently I am going to a 'House of Marbles' tomorrow. Lots of marbles rolling around...structures...of some kind.. I'm told it'll be worth it. If only I could live stream it...
How did I get this reputation? If it wasn't true, I'd be quite offended ;)
Wow, the really big bird!
The BFL season has started?
Please report back on that
G'night Pat
NFL
night pat.
One of the singapore airlines A38's flew over us in Hyde Park in July - looked mahooooooooooosive.
Bolivian, Bermudan?
you turned up to a building job, with a hangover.
All we are sayiiiing, is give marc a chance....
Will do. My phone can record basic video and can email dropio, if it is truly mindblowing I will send something in..
It was an SPC sanctioned mercy mission
How could I not?
Next week's Debrief #title ?
I am back!
OOh i forgot about that, i keep meaning to go, maybe i will this year...
true. you refused a beer, which was noted.
I now know who to blame for all those flights with broken seat back TV's :P
I will expect a full report...if you remember any of it!
I don't drink on the job
After it maybe, but that was off camera ;)
Excellent. I'm excited. I wont see him until Sunday so I'll keep you posted.
We could all sing it on a skype conference call?
I plan on a Rays game this year, if the hurricanes/tropical storms don't get in my way
I don't do avionics, devilish boxes of smoke, they are
NFL - Panthers and the Giants. I have a stream
We haven't done that since Xmas
I could qik stream it... the NFL are probably the only people who love their copyright more than Bernie :P
OK, i will give you a 50% let off :P
Go to the game, it'll be fun. Bucs game are great fun
Though I do recommend you ask the crew to "turn it off and back on again"
Really, I do
Why wont a Roland DR-20 microphone just plug into a Roland ED UA-30 interface and work? Waah :-(
Now I'll have to do some learning. I don't have a purple suit and skull ring?
I suspect with my experience i might know more about the system than the crew do...
Emirates are good though, if you whine enough they will either send you to business class or if they cant give you a bottle of champagne.
That's the way to do it!
Ask this guy!
:)
do you have a cable?
three pin to 1 big pin? :P
You defiantly need the Rat!
that's the one you need. 3-pin into the mic and the single pin into the front?
Can you drop.io a pic
http://www.ultra1.homelinux.net/G3/weblog/2007/DSCF4346.JPG
oops. didn't finish the comment.
mic should go in the front left socket.
You have laptop hinges... Amy will be jealous!
hehe. that's not mine. it's running windows. i just googled up a big pic of the thing.
Ah that was Amy's lappy with the brken hinges
I suspect that the pic of the Roland doodah is not Mr C's lest he be a Japanese reader
I thought that was strange. Also that he was running IE6 :P
yeah, hooked it up ok. im guessing the mic needs power. i'll play a bit and let you know
Are you going to stream to us? Its the done thing ya'know ;)
dr-20 shouldn't need power, it's passive.
hehehehe.
[Am keeping quiet on this one]
Ive just watched the video of
memy beard. Scary!aah. thanks. I could look stuff up myself, but I thought you'd be excited to hear that I'm finally fiddling with some of the stuff I've got :P
off out for a walk in the sunshine apparently. it will have to wait :(
i am. yell if we can help with anything else. bassano has a drill and nick, a beard.
unless you want to pop over for a visit... no spiders, I promise!
you wanna put a man with ADD on a plane for 24hrs? i'd be bored within minutes. i'd be dead by singapore.
They have
BeerRose on planes for just this reason! :Pthat was the dead part ;)
You could live stream it
*shudders at the cost of in-flight internet*
the undoing of mr. c. that could work.
You will be fine once you get there... they have kangaroos to carry your bags, and koala's to act as slightly smelly pillows :D
If they have pandas he may have no choice
On Qatar last year,my tv was broken and wouldn't respond to anything, so I really did ask the (rather attractive) hostess to 'turn it off and on again' and it worked ! Huzzah. Bloody good airline too. Jsut a shame when I haad to wait two and a half hours in Doha for my connecting flight ! Smallest terminal E.V.E.R.
I feel bad MrsC hasn't seen a Panda... I saw a couple of them a few years ago and was quite non fussed by the whole thing
Where did you see them because I know she has some kind of list of all the places that have them
I'm sure there must be some in the UK somewhere ?
I havent ever been there but apparently Doha will be the next big 'boomtown' when the world economy takes off
I cant quite remember, but wikipedia tells me it must have been hong kong
London Zoo?
None at all. Edinburgh Zoo is supposed to be getting two next year or the year after.
Lou and Lukeg were there recently and only got pics of red pandas
They disagree with keeping endangered animals from the wild, but they had one which was supposed to go to America but couldn't
Lukeh
hehe i thought lukeg was the name of a panda for a minute!
Problems with it's visa I expect
New Fact: Bassano isn't your real name :P
Say it ain't so
If the man who claims his name is Alex is to be believed :P on the video
Should we be using our real names?
lies.
I missed that
I am
Looks like the Panthers need a receiver who doesn't have teflon gloves
good, they're in the same division as Tampa Bay. I hope it's team policy that they coat their fingers with butter before games.
Hopping sports...Did you ever watch MLB on 5? Baseball isnt the same without those guys
Are you watching? They dropped the ball on four consecutive plays
Yes. Now I watch on line but it is not the same. 5 had great coverage
I watch the games locally so it's not an issue. I see every Rays game, I just wish they could win a few more
Its pre season though...
So true, I always get excited about football returning, then midway through the game wonder why I'm watching guys who'll be working for UPS in a couple weeks
Not the best way to create a good impression or to get signed on if they are not signed up yet.
Yes, with every drop, they see their chances of employment diminish.
we had 2 guys who filled in while the US was on ads... I started watching baseball because they were so watchable as just presenters filling time...
There was certainly plenty of rich arabs floating about ! It looked pretty impressive as we took off over the city, albeit at 2:30 am.
Did you like it? I haven't been a baseball fan for years. Ever since the Rays got good, I got hooked, planning a game to St. Pete and a few beers
Miami Dolphins cheerleaders are hot!
I do like it. there are way to many games to follow what is hapening though. Its the complete opposite of the NFL in that regard.
five is a free terrestrial network over here. they used to show 2 games per week which was ideal
Yup ! : http://www.zsl.org/zsl-london-zoo/animals/mammals/red-panda,44,AN.html
Lou got pics of that. It's more like a rat than a panda
And my surname ain't clapper! ;)
the Rays games are broadcast locally so I never miss a game. So I conider myself lucky
Haha :-)
It has to be.
I am amazed anyone can watch all thsoe games in a season
Okay, I don't watch all of them. When I'm off, I sit outside and listen to them on radio while grilling and consuming beer. I have it on tv when I go inside to get more beer, I don't miss a play. but with the NFL season coming up, I may miss more. Today the Rays are off, but he Dolphins are playing and I am watching them. Tommorrow the Rays play and no NFL, so my evening is planned
Just noticed that I have streams available for two games. It never occurred to me that there would be two games on a Monday night.
This looks fun... You can lock your andoid phone with an Iris Scan
It's preseason, but from time to time, the NFL will have two MNF games, one on the east coast and one on the west coast.
Alright gang, see you tommorrow. Stay safe
I now have streams for both. Last night I couldn't get the Debrief to stream without massive buffering but now I have two games running without a blip. The feed quality from the Giants game is incredibley good.
See you later Joe.
NFL has kangaroo TV
See you later...
I should probably go to bed.. but sidepodDIY is too addictive
gosh i missed quite a debate and lots of streaming while i slept! Almost flattened my battery trying to catch up :D I have this addiction to streaming so bad that i dont even care about the data costs , does anyone have any requests for things in melbourne they want to see?
I have always wondered about Batman Street. Apparently melbourne was called Batmania at one point!
The MCG and the tennis grounds could be interesting too, but i fear you might get forced to go to an AFL game if you are not very careful in that area...
I wanted to visit The Lambs Go Bar in Fitzroy but never got the chance. A friend bought me the T shirt. They have stacks of beers from around the world
ah yes we have lots of things named after mr john batman! Locals get angry if you pronounce it like the superhero, they call him bat-min. Spoilsports.
They sound like they have no sense of humour... There is only one way to pronounce that word!
Boat?
i thought it was the NZ influence. mel-bun, bat-min etc.
Fush un chups :)
how will my BIL (brother in law) ever find you now? :P
New Cylinders? (Sorry Amy)
Maybe you need to give us a menu of Melbourne highlights and we can pick from the list.
How can they not know how to pronounce Batman? And why are they not cashing in on that name?
He doesn't have a good record on boats. He went on one once and by the time he got back off he discovered that he was married.
Time I was asleep. Night all.
Same for me, Night to Steven and all
Bye Steven & Nick
i asked a customer the other day if they had internet access and she was all 'internet iccess? Whats that?"
he's safe from that now though. what else could go wrong (not that marrying Christine is such a bad thing :P )?
hmmm melbourne highlights. Im a terrible tour guide and i cant think of any (this is not am invitation for sydney folk to say "thats because there arent any")
Morning Gang - hope all is well this morning :)
I have randomly found some things from Wikipedia for you:
How about Flinders Street Station, Federation Square, Royal Exhibition Building and the Rialto Observation Deck.
And you are a great tour guide - I watched the Grand Prix videos - they were ace.
Good morning! How's everyone? :D
Had a fun round of Rockeoke last night - karaoke with a live band. Twas fantastic! :D
Two Apple Retail stores? :P
there is? I only know of the one at Chadstone and I'm not going there :P
all good ideas, I sometimes forget that things I see every day are tourist attractions. I've never gone to the Rialto Observation Deck though because the one at Eureka is higher :D
What about Amy's favourite pubs and cafes? We could have a tour of Amy's Melbourne instead?
Grosjean announced as Piquet's replacement at Renault
Shock and indeed, horror.
good afternoon
I'd take you to the F1 pub but there is no signal down there :(
Coolly done press anouncement - they know we already know but they're going to pretend they don't.
my flatmate just asked me why the next race is called the European Grand Prix. "Is it not always in Spain?" she asked.
I like when people I know ask me questions I can answer :D
Watch out! The more difficult question of why there are two races in Spain is bound to follow - even Bernie cannot give a satisfactory answer.
Did you say - it is wherever the popular driver of the moment is from? :)
I did point out that it magically hopped from Germany to Spain and oh look who the popular world champions from those countries were :D
ah I forgot to respond to McLaren are hoping they can score another victory in Spain, making back-to-back victories for the team
I should release a preview statement saying much the same only I hope the driver is much more Finnish this time around.
morning all
you mean kimis coming back ?
well, there is a picture of him in this months racing line....
I am just happy they have a chance.
P.S. You think Melbourne is hard - try Canberra
aha :D
theres also one of Mika and DC though. Next headline "McLaren to run 5-car team in 2010?"
I like the sound of that
You think Prodrive will get the 13th spot then? :-D
nah, clearly it'll be team ex-super aguri
Easy - $$$$$$$$$$!
That's not a satisfactory answer :-)
I am sure Bernie is satisfied ;)
Impossible!
True, there's always the next billion dollar target to aim for...
That's what I'm aimin' for
VIDEO (sort of): Multi-million dollar Ferrari 250 TR crashing at Monterey Historics
Well at least it was being used as intended - and it should get fixed hopefully...
Oh dear. When was at my last race meeting, this fellow in a C-Type Jag was just lining up on the dummy grid. For some reason he wasn't concentrating and rolled straight into the (quite cheap) car in front. Oops
second day of very very bad internet conenction in a row ... not happy
It's all this video streaming. I think it's broken the internet
www.bmsc.com.au
I wonder how many times it got dinged before he bought and restored it though?
oh, OK then #blamespc :-)
true enough guess. It was sad to see the nose all dinged up.
Not as sad as the Morgan +8 which had the whole rear torn apart.
Westfield Doncaster
http://www.apple.com/au/retail/storelist/
not going there either :P none of the big malls are easy to get to on public transport!
I remember that someone asked for a screenshot the last time this happened. http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/vista-jpg :)
I could just pass that to my boss tomorrow and go home
Thing is he might wonder what was open in the background ;)
Does it matter? It's Vista's fault. This is better than blaming Steven Roy!
Odd fact for the day:
Romain Grosjean's nickname is Choucroute or Chou, meaning sauerkraut and cabbage respectively.
ma petit chou is a pretty common nickname for a child... like petal here.
I am at the hairdresser. Have dropioed a pic but it might take a while to come through.
Weirdly, all the hairdressers have just gone into a back room to celebrate someones birthday, leaving us all here with wonky hair.
Epic
:)
fantastic :)
What a random thing to happen.
As you are on Holiday Christine, and you have your G1... We are all expecting you to keep your eyes peeled for Tractors
Morning all. I like when I wake up and there is something you have been looking for all day, is finally found.
I'm pretty sure its just an excuse so you are allowed to poast a pic ;)
Faith no more?
:D
ooh, hair does look very half finished!
Went to Uni with a Faith. When she stormed out of class one time, everyone went quiet.
I broke the silence with the statement "Faith No More. Epic"
One of those moments (rare for me) that I'll remember forever.
Too bad I can't post it for language, but sniffpetrol's Bourdais tweet is brilliant. :D
how many people got it? I would have cried with laughter :D
I might cry with happiness when I see them in Feb :D
Haven't followed the comments too closely.
Have you seen Danny's suggestions for FR 2010 already?
http://fantasyracers.com/game/ideasfor2010.php
I like most of them but A private league limit of 100 teams per league is not good sidepodcastnews.
He also appears to be missing the "rename it to KathiRacers" that was suggested here the other day
The problem with that is that you can sabotage other leagues by joining them!
that's terrible news :cry:
hehehe.
my issue is, it's missing the option:
- go back to last year's rules because they were simple to understand
and then leaving them.
Should it worry us that you thought of that so quickly?
*evil laugh
Could do Sidepodcast 1, SPC 2 etc.
Or name them, Sidepodcst Ferrari, Sidepodcast Williams. Name em after other teams like some teams with two teams in my league do.
Not a fan of this - especially for a community as big as ours.
Nonetheless, I have a fun idea for this - Mr C has his own private league and Christine has her own. They'll taunt each other no end. :D
ahh now I realise I should not have joined Sidepodcast with my team of Finns and Italians, I should have joined the enemy!
That is also important in
"Top league average to be based on all teams in the league."
or the "I'm joining SPC league with massa, bourdais and piquet" strategy
No, that idea will never work.
Is it just me, or are these rules designed to stop Kathi's winning strategy?
Never played last year so I wouldn't know. I like all proposals except the league limit option - but it looks to me like all of these changes are being made to stifle our Kathi :(
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/2009-08-18-11-02-49
*waves*
That's fine if you can lock the league once it gets to a 100. It's that 101st person ruining your entire season that is the problem.
yes.
also a good point.
I guess the league owner would probably have that option, right?
It's like the FIA have taken over :-D
i just want it to be more like the pole poll. pick you you think will do well. the end.
fantasy racers for people with short attention spans.
But thats just predictions.
perhaps we should migrate to that for 2010, then? ;)
Plus my season in another prediction league ain't going to well.
yes. but that's what it was last year.
Coolly done press anouncement – they know we already know but they’re going to pretend they don’t. {Comment #218}
Someone plainly didn't - Yahoo! had a story this morning that Kubica was going to Renault this year. I didn't check the source because there's only one I can think of which would say something that daft...
can't wait for your radio show sir!
of course, I broke this year after all
i'm doing it this year and i like it (not just because i'm beating christine).
Watch out! The more difficult question of why there are two races in Spain is bound to follow – even Bernie cannot give a satisfactory answer. {Comment #220}
I believe the answer to that is "because Spanish regional governments like giving Bernie money".
Oh, I just stuck with like 6 drivers.
essentially you picked who you thought would do well. and then scored points on them.
2009 = #blamesteven
It's still an unsatisfactory answer and doesn't explain why Spanish regional governments can't divert some money towards building vaguely interesting circuits.
Good Morning! I have just been 'outside' and have seen the worlds biggest pigeon... It looked like it was headed for london, so be careful people
How about this?
If the rules for 2010 are considered rubbish, how about I set up a game based on the 2008 rules?
i like danny's site. i just don't like this years rules or next years proposed rules.
i'm picky like that.
Sounds like F1 :P
I like next years rules, gives me more of a chance.
Simple - because they're using that money to pay Bernie.
So I'm saying that if someone gives me a copy of the 2008 rules we all love so much, how about I organise a game through my blog?
Just a thought...
ha! so true!
next you'll want Ari to win the election...
I would love Danny to set up two games next year. One with this year's rules without the driver limit and one with last year's rules. You think he would do that for me? *looks cute*
also true :)
when it comes to F1, we still have no 2010 rules ... weeks ago FIA said the rules will be on their site shortly ... how long time "shortly" means in FIA-speak ?
:P :P :P :D
They sound promising, but may need some refining. It seems less complicated next year than it is now.
I'll probably give it a chance. :)
Gotta remember also, they are also only ideas.
absolutely. last time they were discussed after the season. i'm surprised it's come up so soon?
They do seem clearer. It just needs a few checks in place to prevent someone spoiling the fun.
i'm surprised that with 567 entrants in the league spc hasn't been awarded the right to veto regulation changes. after all we bring... prestige to the championship.
I asked him a month ago if he's considering any changes and he sent me some suggestions and said he will put them here but thought it was too early *shrugs*
They were slightly different. I didn't reply to him mostly because I couldn't get my thoughts down on paper very well, so if you see this Danny: Sorry about that.
:)
It's really weird... To explain how the points works is somewhat complicated. However what you have to do is simple. And once you see how the points work you hear people outloud saying back exactly what you said to them in the first place.
So I say, "You get 2 points for guessing pole, 2 points for every position you get right, 1 point for every near miss. And you get 4 points if you guess the winner correctly rather than just 2."
And they say, "what this is crazy complicated". Then they look at it think about it and say, "So you're saying, you get 2 points for guessing pole, 2 points for every position you get right, 1 point for every near miss. And you get 4 points if you guess the winner correctly rather than just 2."
"Yes," I say.
"Why didn't you just say that in the first place," they always say.
Yup i'd subscribe to that, I picked fairly decent drivers (Glock, Rosberg, Vettel, Heidfeld) and seem to be routed to the bottom pages of the table.
I must of been 300 or so points behind after Oz and never been able to get back into it since.
Finding it really hard to get into, always stuck with rubbish points no matter what I do. I must be missing something, kinda kills the enjoyment when there's no chance back!
:)
A bit too competitive but it could work.
How do we stop everyone from joining both unless we say each person has one team only? This is gonna get complicated :)
Anyone got any creative ideas to silence the office big mouth? All i can hear is chuckle chuckle constantly.............
I'd love to extract some stapler throwing revenge
We could 'do a FOTA' and see if there's scope for negotiations after we threaten to pull out and set up 'Kathi Racers' ;)
The ultimate fantasy racers - they have to pick the fantasty teams they're having in their leagues each week ;-)
Mr C...
I found a very interesting setting today in Qik...
Something I really should have checked before I went live yesterday it says, "
Optimise for: Maximum Quality / Minimum delay
Also:
Quality: High / Medium / Low
I had Maximum Quality and Quality: High set yesterday.
Yes but the reason you aren't doing well is because you don't have Webber or the Brawns. Have you ever read my Fantasy Racers posts on my blog? Christine and Mr. C. (amongst others) thought that they really helped with their understanding of how the game worked...
Start a rumour about redundancies
'I heard about what [insert bosses name] said, I thought it was a bit harsh'
Then refuse to explain when prompted. 'Maybe I shouldn't have said anything' ;)
Noise cancelling earphones? Worked a treat when the builders were in moving the office around!
"Bags I'm having your desk" and just leave it at that
That's the one! :lol:
Literally got through that last week
The whole of my department (Financial Research) got warned we were going to be made redundant about 3 months ago and they only just finished it last week, lucky for me I kept my job. Never in my life would I want to do that or put anyone through it again. Lets just say my management have booked their place somewhere hot when they meet their maker. So I guess that makes me a survivour.......
I was thinking physical pain, surely PC's can be painful when wielded as a weapon?
I think will have to read it, I thought you picked yr drivers at the start of the season and that's it! I didn't realise all this jazz about changing drivers during a race! I'm usually preoccupied watching the race lol
I never changed them as they seem to be a good mix ;)
Unfortunately, they're all rounded corners nowadays.
Oh BTW, please do read it and leave me a few comments ;)
I'm happy with my lineup. Wasn't too pleased when Flav sacked Piquet mind you, think I'm gonna have some words.
That's how Kathi's running away with it, she's playing the game like the stock market, luckily she's restricted to 9 drivers only or she'd have over half the field by now!
Keyboard used like a cricket bat, anyone seen 'Wanted'?
That was an odd movie!
So when the Renault appeal result was announced, who ran straight to twitter and who headed for FR to buy Alonso on the cheap?
Keep plugging the 'leave a comment' line and it WILL work. Advertising seems to be the name of the game in the blogosphere
But it had Angelina
No further consideration necessary ;)
You can leave me some comments too if you like. Keep them polite though. :LOL:
Leaving comments on other blogs works too. I get links from James Allen's blog sometimes!
Indeed!
I left you a few links on BBC 606 today... expect a few morons to visit
Yeah I saw those too - thanks for that - I look forward to seeing what happens. Always nice to have extra page views ;)
we don't have any of those :(
doesn't danny look tired?
The hairdressers did come back in the end.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/2009-08-18-12-10-50
I have also concluded that our non-studio lighting is rubbish.
I could also try smiling.
i like that the whole of the internets get to see your new hair before i do :)
if you open the curtains... there's this this called the sun.
I thought it would give you a heads up, so you know to say something later.
The su... no, you lost me.
Where are these options to be found?
use that with caution
Ah the good old 606 days...
Wehn i got back in to F1 (2007 after Schumi left in 2006) I started to post online and used to use the 606 site religiously each day. I thought that it was run by fanboys and it was really hard to have conversations without the thread being hijacked by a troll. Morons is an understatment
Then I found Planet F1, wow that's some hardcore trolling going on in there. I've since found out that Sidepodcast seems to best for no trolling. Never tried the Autosport forums though, think PF-1 put me off.
I reckon I could do more damage with an A3 flip chart and felt pen. I could write that we all know about this said loudmouths affair with the boss.....
worse than pf-1.
Mr C: Practice this line
"Your hair looks lovely!"
I cant belive they left! Did they say anything when they came back?
Nice haircut though :D
"don't you look tired?""the lighting in our house is awful.""your hair looks lovely."
ok, got it.
I assumed Mrs C had it done for Franck's IRL debut?
They apologised before and after, and got straight back into it. They were only gone for about five minutes, it was just weird because all of us having our hair cut were just left looking at each other like... do we just sit and wait?
hahaha :D
hehe, you should have all quietly swapped places!
Is that possible? I would've though Autosport would've been more reserved english gent types (think BRDC etc)
PF-1 forums are great if you want an instant hit of the latest headlines. One quick look down the topics will 99/100 mention whatever news has been reported that day. The quality of the actual topics themselves though...WOW!!!! I don't understand how every topic and can be trolled after usually 3 or so posts. There's no point in expecting reasonable debate at all.
Haha!
pf-1 is just a troll fanboyu rumour site now though sadly. They lost it in 2007 for me...
It’s still an unsatisfactory answer and doesn’t explain why Spanish regional governments can’t divert some money towards building vaguely interesting circuits. {Comment #297}
Um... ..."because they've missed the point of hosting a F1 race?"
Just in case we didn't know it already, Leo is still way ahead of us: http://leoville.com/state-of-the-twit-2009
Streamasaurus consists of six Mac mini computers, two running OS X for our Bit Gravity streams, and the rest running Windows and Flash Media Encoder for our other providers.
Are you obliged to leave a tip at the hairdressers?
when it comes to F1, we still have no 2010 rules … weeks ago FIA said the rules will be on their site shortly … how long time “shortly” means in FIA-speak ? {Comment #309}
How long is a piece of string? Sometimes it's 2 hours, other times (like with the Steward's Reports) it's 5 months and 21 days - and counting...
Not if you aren't happy with their service
European rules
Not if they disappear for birthday cake and then don't share
Oh yeah that reminds me!
Slapped wrists for Mr C and Christine!
Was listening to the podcast last night and my girlfriend (Kay) was most upset you both thought Piquet was rubbish and were taking the mickey out of him!! I.e. the whole 'what does he expect alongside Alonso' etc!!
So there, consider yourself told from Kayleigh!!
I was left amazed he had a genuine fan.......
Good afternoon/morning/night to everyone by the way :-)
not when they charge £15!
When they charge me £2-£3 in Dubai... then they get a tip!
*cough*
Does Leo make money out of Twit? I mean does it run on more than donations?
Hey Benji
That's all from me till tonight, see y'all later
Advertising.
But the air fare kinda offsets that now doesn't it? ;)
Ive never in my life left a tip after having a haircut, I worry it would seem sarcastic when my cut takes less than a 3 minutes especially now since my hairline is ever receiding since I turned 24.
Ah cheers, i have never really watched it properly
Well yes. But there is only one place in the world i buy jeans, so if i need a new pair i can chuck a haircut into the bargain ;)
Nice to see some feedback on my ideas for 2010. I haven't actively canvassed opinion as I do not want to spoil the enjoyment of those still engrossed in 2009, but seeing as you've started.......
Ha! Lightweight...
At least he uses his stuff :(
I got my mixer and microphone working. It just needed plugging in and out about 1000 times. Not being used for 3 and a half to 4 years is probably the culprit.
What is a .wps file?
Works for Windows
http://filext.com/file-extension/WPS
hehe. ahh, i forgot about works. hoho.
Can I open it on a Mac or do I need to break out the laptop?
Did you forget about Dre?
I got it bundled in with my Asus netbook... instant uninstall for open office instead!
Office on the Mac should open it/
problem with PF1 is something like half of their reported stories are complete fallacy. at least autosport have a solid base to start from.
oh.
if only we could set up a gigabit network between my place and yours
i mighta.
One of my favourite useful tools on the internets
http://www.zamzar.com/
to the rescue... It will convert works docs to any other format you fancy...
I personally use a spare junk e-mail address with it just in case not a real one.
Good site to know, it converts almost anything to almost anything
you have six mac mini's?
Ooh, how exciting! I try it now.
PF-1's filled with such rubbish articles as 'Jenson Seeks More Wins'. Come on where's the hard hitting journalism and scoops etc?
Hardly revealing stuff is it!
Now do we live in a time where we have more access in comparison to other sports or is F1 too secretive?
I personally feel it's far to secretive and corporate. I want to see more about what happens in the factories away from the circuit.
did a quick count of intel based macs the other day. we have 6 (working) laptops.
I must stop hoarding. I must stop hoarding. I must stop hoarding.
powerpc and 68k macs? you dont wanna know....
for the record, i hate leo's commenting system. it requires clicking the more button, just to see comments in that thread.
i had high hopes for js-kit. in practice it's useless.
Amazing!!! Thanks Alex :)
ditto!
No probs... It even converts txt files to MP3... by reading them out!
Madness obviously.
they don't pay any journalists do they?
problem is, what happens in factories is a bit dull. however, live streaming has proved i will watch anything.
It would appear I blogged about Zamzar 2 years ago!
http://arblognot.blogspot.com/2007/09/convert-between-any-almost-file-formats.html
They've been in beta for a while!
how many blogs...
I feel like I need another one now.
Too many... I like partitions...
Incidentally, if anybody wishes to assess the proposed rules for Fantasy Racers 2010 themselves, I intend to run a mini competition for the remainder of the year, starting with the European GP this coming weekend.
It's running off a copy of the database, so updates to your personal details will not carry across to the live site, but existing usernames/passwords will be fine (as of last week).
If anybody is interested, you can access it at
Fantasy Racers 2010 BETA
Take a look at the number of posts... 2006 - 500 posts, 2007 - 261, 2008 - 53, 2009 - 7.
It's slowed a bit!
now that is very tempting. i likes that idea.
I don't know where they get their news feed from, they do seem to be very quick though at getting news out first. I always see the news on there but wait until Autosport report it before I know it's true etc.
Yeah I imagine it could be quite dull lol, what I was trying to say is once the teams leave the ciruit it's almost like a fog of war descends and it's hard to get news unless something big happens.
For instance the whole saga regarding Alonso and Ferrari...Clearly someone somewhere in the paddock is talking to people like James Allen and saying Alonso is defo going etc if JA's willing to say with 100% conviction on his blog (I personally trust JA, some of you others may not). If things like that are common knowledge allegedly amongst the paddock then why can't we get in on the action more? It's like we're kept at arms length on purpose. Without us the fans there'd be no F1! Maybe i'm just thinking far too much about things. Do others think we have excellent or poor access to the teams etc?
YES!!
I went and checked. It's 8 but not all of them are public.
Be gentle with me. There may be a few broken links and some missing content, but the functionality of entering a team should be working.
yeah, but motogp is the opposite and they really struggle to bring big money into the sport because they can't offer any exclusives. everything is a little to open.
people who pay more, should have better access, right? at least within reason.
i'll throw that back at you. renault recently opened their factory to fans. did you apply to visit?
That link should be http://www.fsports.co.uk/fantasyracers2010
Ha ha, yes I did!! A friend works up at Enstone (about 10 miles from me) and when I found out the factory was open I rang up to ask (thinking i'd go along with him) and guess what..all places booked up.
I was gutted! I'm a real fan, I'd pay to visit lol.
Problem was though it was a one off day etc, why couldn't they open it up more often, say every 1st Sunday of the month? Problem with these selective open days is that typically I find out far too late!!
Went on a tour of the Aston Martin factory recently and that was great.
Woohoo! I'm in third place at the moment!
I'm beating Kathi, I'm beating Kathi! :lol:
I am not last! :P
You had better take a screenshot. It won't happen again! :)
Me too!
We have chosen identical teams
are you sure it's the same Kathi, or the list isn't sorted the wrong way? Hi everyone by the way :)
Yeah defo, I wouldn't mind paying that little something extra for good high quality access. First thing that springs to mind is onboard race coverage. I'd pay for the sort of coverage Kangaroo TV shows on race weekends. I know Bernie tried it in the past but I think it could be done better these days.
I don't understand why FOM don't have an online archive, loads of old footage gathering dust that could be a real money maker for them. I'd pay a couple of quid to get onboard copy of Senna at Monaco 1992 for instance.
fair enough. personally i'd like to see more track action (testing) and have the opportunity to watch f1 cars for about £15 (testing) and get closer to the teams in action (testing).
aside from that f1 mostly has it about right. i am expecting my life to be over once usf1 start live streaming from their factory though.
same here.
Will they have to call Bassano if they can't get the tyres on the car?
you know it just occurred to me. danny has a playground too...
I'm..... last.
Stupid first name.
heheh. i do hope so. he has a hammer.
Might blog about this post race too and compare competitions later if that's helpful...
It's in the order that you entered.
Or WE entered, I should say
Stupid me being late.
for me. yes please.
is it the order you entered on the old site, or the new one?
you'll still beat me :)
A hundred times YES YES YES!!
I was gutted testing was cancelled this year, booked off time in anticipation (holidays tough to book in my workplace).
I can understand how testing effectively rewards the richer teams allowing them chance to catch up/pull away but maybe these days could be reserved for reserve drivers etc.
We demand more access!
On a seperate note when is Donnington gonna admit it's not going to happen. Trying to save up for next years ticket and want to know for selfish reasons when they're released for sale.
:D
Please do.
Removing the 0.2M transfer penalty makes life easier. The number of times when I've miscalculated and not had enough left to buy the driver I wanted having already bought a driver that I would be more willing to give up.
agreed.
Hey Danny, I can't select any drivers as I kept swapping them and now it won't let me select any. I have zero drivers and it tells me that
**** Change not made. You already have the maximum number of drivers permitted ****
You are Sauber?
Indeed - it also takes away the need for me to put in a 'submit' button, as requested by a number of players. You can stick drivers in / out as often as you like to get the right line-up without thinking too hard.
ooh - my first bug.
Stand by - I'm going in....
ahh, i like it already.
This should be fixed now...
But mine has a better name :P
ooh. points for good names. hadn't thought of that.
They sell there archive to their 'premium broadcaster'
For example BBC are showing old european gp's here and on the red button
Did anybody notice the new points scoring? A bit more interest over the final qualifying sessions, I thought...?
oh man! i didnt see the Q1 points, it means im gonna have lost points before i've started ;)
Minus points?
Ooooh dear.
i need gavin...
Why are the values changing if they are only based on performance?
They're not. They won't be changing until after this weekends race.
Have I left some text in somewhere?
Everybody who needs help needs to see the FR posts on my blog. The latest one is here: http://f1numbers.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/fantasy-racers-hungary/
He likes comments too :-)
Can you check if they have changed or is it just me?
That makes sense but still the BBC only uses a fraction of past coverage in any reviews/highlights etc
The amount of coverage generated on all the camera's across a GP weekend must be immense, yet we only get the piddly FOM feeds. People will pay more if it's there and good quality. I'd happily pay £10+ for a copy of Lewis at Silverstone 08 onboard etc.
I went to a Joseph Arthur gig recently and he was selling CD's of the gig while you waited at the end. Genius idea
They haven't changed on this version of the competition.
that's the first time I've heard of anyone actually pulling that off. how long was the wait?or did you just leave? I know coldplay talking about the concept but realised just how hard it is to do.
I think that if I change jobs, working for a company that has access to every bit of footage shot would be a good idea
UK only. grrr.
Just me then ;)
Bernie tried it with F1 digital+ and made a massive loss. Because he was so badly burned by that i dont think we will see much more footage being produced.
But the website is another matter. NASCAR's is amazing... so many goodies. F1 needs to get to that level
Sorry!
off to check out NASCAR site....and start the cultural conversion before my move west....
there is a lot of video, but it comes into its own when a race is on, with car trackers for the whole field, streams of pit radio to all the cars...
Danny have you removed points for leftover cash?
I have.
there were points for leftover cash?
not sure if i'd include a 30 second clip of "mark martin is having an issue with his radio communication under the Highlights tab. but there is a lot of video. impressive.
And restriction to 6 drivers? That's harsh.
Hearing Mark Martin talk is DEFINITELY a highlight ;)
all free?
no... but they do have the option to buy it, and there is a free trial i belive
I wonder how many free trials I can do....
OK I went for Alonso-Button-Rosberg-Vettel based on my average scores ;)
Danny, have you looked at my FR blog posts before? I was wondering what you thought of them...
with the new point system?
I went with two certanties to be out in Q1. Someone who hasn't raced in 10 years, someone who isn't happy and the lovely one.
Yes - all are capable of getting into Q2 or Q3 and all finish strongly. Three of those drivers have got pole and on multiple occasions!
I went with Heikki of course so I had to call my team Sorry Amy :D
Huh, i didnt know Avril was racing?
I wasn't aware of them until today - but they look fantastic. Will be monitoring with interest....
I waited about 10 mins for a cd. I do a lot of studio work with my band and i'm quite clued up on the process, I was very impressed how a simple setup worked.
First off it's gonna be useless for groups over 100 people waiting at a time etc, not enought time to physically burn the CD's.
How they did it was recording the first half and then burned that onto CD immediately, You're basically waiting for the last few songs which is the last CD to be burned.
They recorded direct from the mixing desk into a hard disk recorder, using Cubase to automatically even out the audio peaks. Then it would've mastered before going on CD, the time was taken up waiting for the disks to be burned.
If you were the impatient type you could download the gig at home when you got in.
Genius
:D
As well as all the qualifying points available, other changes:
200 points for the race winner instead of 150.
Fastest lap now 25 points, was 20
You are right -Genius! Pretty impressive, but do people still play CDs ;) I love this idea, listen to the gig on the way home/out in the car. Do you remember the cost?
very interesting. i like that idea.
so not the music i was thinking of listening to this afternoon.
Hi everyone.
I see there's now a 2010 game - it seems as if Kathi's competitive spirit has been revived! :D
I'm jumping in! Woohoo!
I'm listening to BOL - and I'm sorry to say but Molly Wood has started to irritate me lately :(
By the way, we just got evacuated for a Fire Drill. GRRR!
This is the chance to beat the Kathinator!
If anyone is going to be in New Zealand in January, they are holding a Bruce McLaren Festival
That's if Hampton Downs ever gets finished? Is it on schedule or is it a Donington?
But you cant be disappointed with Avril ;)
who? I'm so out of touch. and too lazy to google...
but still i kind of enjoyed it.
Will you be there and streaming?
Too sunny for there to be any possibility of us having a fire drill
I did once have a computer named after her ;) but it was a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.... by the way, Ewoks are still funny in German (found that out on the weekend)
Buzz Out Loud... really cool Technology podcast...
I've heard of a few bands doing this.
I was talking to Jan McLaren about it at the GP, she sounded confident, but who knows...
Alas I will not, but my brother was pretty keen on going. I'd say he will not be streaming. :(
ah one of "those". my ipod died months ago and haven't got around to getting a new one. we should have a survey - how many podcasts do you listen to in the average week?
Pearl Jam have released bootlegs of almost all of their shows since 2000, I think the first lot were CD only but they have been online for a number of years now. I cannot wait to download the show I go to :D
:D I've gone for Alonso-Rosberg-Webber-Hamilton. This should be interesting. ;)
For some reason I thought you meant the Blue Orange Lion!
Good afternoon everyone!
Why not the same for races etc? I'm a naughty one and torrent then afterwards but i'd pay Bernie if he offered them! Got all the sessions so far this year (practice, quali, race + FOM race onboard)
Yeah it was £10 flat! (I think it made it easier for change etc)
Joseph Arthur @ Shepherds Bush if anyones interested.....
As for CD's, mine are redundant now i've got Mp3 players with uber good memory.
I've got a stack of over approx 800 album cd's and easily 500+ singles. I refuse to sell them or throw them out but they're just taking up room in my loft now :-(
I think the two are connected ;)
check out the pic of Badoer and the ferrari guy looking quite bored with each other(PIC). for some reason a different pic comes up sometimes so just press reload a couple of times if you get the pic with the dancing horse in the background.
Hey Lukeh. :D Danny set up a Fantasy Racers 2010 BETA run. Care to join us?
http://www.fsports.co.uk/fantasyracers2010/
psssh not enough Finns. Doomed to fail :P
I can't believe he's 8.5 million. As Hindy on MWM said last week: "That man can't drive sheep!"
Heya my good man
I have 0.5 Finns. Surely that counts? ;)
I'm in a similar boat, but with less singles. moving continent is a good excuse to leave them behind, just find a nice play to store them. 10 quid is pretty good.
I don't care. He'll be good.
I will remind you where Kovy is on the chart? (Sorry Amy!)
I named my team after him, yet he's not on my roster. :D
gee spot the new zealander in the forum ;) I'm curious how he goes, but I'm disappointed that Genè isn't around. His name would lead to more journalistic puns, which is really what sport is all about.
:)
Umm, Hindy is a Mackem? I am terrified of sheep TBH!
that will not count until he is fluent in the language and changes his surname to end in 'nen'
I was referring to you in this forum. but i have no idea what MWM is...
ahh a poor start to the season to be rectified by winning 5 of the remaining 7 races (1 for Kimi, 1 for Rubens)
But his dad was finnish and didn't have a 'ninneninnenen' surname?
I think he was pretending to be Finnish. I refuse to believe any of them exist that aren't 'namenen'
Typical Aussie calling us Kiwi's out for sheep. At least Dingoes don't steal our babies ;)
Yeah silly things like owning the same Stone Roses album three times lol
I look at the pile and just think arggh forget...i'll sort it tomorrow...........
wow, this is quite staggering. Nothing to do with f1 but will make the anti-MS crowd laugh :)
Microsoft Xbox 360's are infamous for getting the 'red ring of death', which is basically 3 red lights on the front of the console that basically merans, thats it. it's done. Send it to Microsoft to get it fixed. Have had it happen 3 times to myself.
Just noticed that the failure rate is now 54% of consoles now get this.
http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html
54%!!!
Rosberginen?
*snuggles PS3, conveniently forgetting the time the laser died and the unit had to be replaced*
A+!
3?! wow. I've seen a few doubles in my time. Think I might have doubled up once or twice but 3. But do you sort the pile by genre or breakups like in High Fidelity?
This bit at the end was interesting:
Pats PSP on the shoulder button.
Sorry, meant to add - I reckon that's spot on, I hardly play my Wii but I love it!
That's a very good point now you mention it, the Wii is very much the casual audience consolew whereas the others are expected of for longetivity in games and long times of usage. Still, it's quite unbelievable how often the 360 actually goes all wrong.
hehe... i know some fanboi's but nobody i know has 'snuggled' with their console untill now! :P
New PS3 probably going to be announced in the next few hours...
So I wonder what the average failure rate per 100 or per 1000 hours of play is? That would be a fairer representation...
Yep, seems likely.
Seeing as it's gamescon, I wonder if we'll hear anything from Codemasters about F1 2010 on the Wii? I mean It is out in 2 months!
Well yes, but the 360 and PS3 are supposed to be the premium gaming machines.Whereas the wii is just a repackaged gamecube
Possibly, but the smaller companies generally announce stuff away from the big expo's as the big companies swamp the gaming news.
They could have a playable version there though
Yep I got the first album three times, kept on losing copies and buyin another one to replace, also forgetting people borrowing stuff etc.
I'm actually quite embarrassed how I have them filed.....alphabetically according to what relationship I was in and what order I bought them. For instance Led Zep 2 is next to Radiohead 'Kid A'...I find it easier to remember by thinking which lady I was seeing at the time (there's only ever been 3). I can date years better via the music that was out as opposed to news events etc. For instance Princess Diana to me makes me think 'Be Here Now' - Oasis 1997.. it was released two weeks before her death blah blah blah
Yeah thinking about it i'm lucky i have a girlfriend..
:P
and they thought to create a custom LED pattern for when it does. normally when things break, they just stop working.
:) I'm just alphabetical. It's just easier, provided you leave space on each shelf. and you get the joy of odd combinations where Tool appears next to Tori Amos. Mind you I remember seeing Radiohead next to Spice Girls at my friend's place. The first filled me with hope for her music taste. the second...well...didn't ;)
temp you to a mug (or three)?
http://www.cafepress.co.uk/sidepodcast
Your systems completely broke, but hey, have some purdy lights to make up for it. ;)
They are excellent mugs... But they don't have any digital readouts yet :(
mine are alphabetical too, but I took the opportunity of moving countries to leave them all in a box at my parents house muhahaha.
someone lost the concept model...
How do you know they are still alphabetical?
because I took them out of the rack and stacked them in the box in order :D
My CD's are sorted by the heap method, the DVD's by the wrong case method, but my games are sorted by the order i bought them, which is auite effective, but sony keep changing the box shape with every generation which doesnt help...
hehe.
My daughter randomises mine every few days. I'm trying to teach her to at least dust them but if falls on deaf ears.
at least she hasn't taken to throwing them as frisbees.
My CD's are sorted by "I don't care anymore as I never listen to music not on iPod or radio" and my DVD's are sorted by "Oldest shoved to the back of the bookcase and new ones in a pile at the front" - seems to work out OK ;)
or target practice
Oh yeah the three red rings of death...The console overheats so much the processor chip comes/melts loose from the actual circuit board. Got a friend who will fix for £20 a time.....
I wish had the shelving space, when i had the whole collection out it was a nightmare. Got most of it burned onto PC now though thank god.
Next week, quite like the Michael who T-shirt but as i'm actually called Michael people might not get the joke....
She's under strict orders to only do that with mummy's CDs
I used some old Cd's as a soundhole cover for my acoustic, gives a nice deeper tone.
non f1, but if any radiohead fans are around, new "single" came out officially today (free too) but no EP like the rumours rumoured.
:)
Yay for the classic european highlights being up on BBCF1 :)
The PSN store is going down for an hour or 2 during sony's press conference... which has got me excited that something big is going to go on it
Sweet!
A claim to fame of mine is my band (Contract) played the Jericho in Oxford, the pub Radiohead got discovered in.
Yeah we're still doing the day job though :-)
Bahhh!! Hoew could I forget about 1999!! That was when Rubens came 3rd and Herbert 1st in the Stewart :D:D:D:D Good times...
That's true... I honestly have no idea where it is
Last time I was in Oxford, someone told me where Thom used to go for coffee and everywhere we went I was just staring out the window hoping for a glimpse...
just release stuff online like all the cool musicians do.
Barry Cello also got into an astounding 4th place in the Jordan in 1993
Murray :D
Watching 1993... brundle spun out and ended up at the end of a straight... Did they not have safety cars?
Wasn't he 2nd at Donington at 1 point? He was running 3rd if I remember correctly before he was forced to retire just before the end.
They're always around Oxford, you'll see Ed O Brien and Johnny Greenwood most though, usually strolling down the Cowley Road. Don't see Thom so much these days (last 3 years or so) but used to when I was at college wandering around Oxford with time to kill. Jim a lad on my course woke up in South Park (for all you Oxford locals) after a night down the Zodiac and Thom was sat on the opposite bench watching him then he wandered off.
Has this been posted?
Joe Saward: A bad time to be in Formula 1
I think he's mentioned it before. If it's as bad as it sounds, this may mark the beginning of the end for the UK's Motorsport Valley.
http://www.reverbnation.com/contract
http://www.myspace.com/contracttheband
If anyone listens you'll hear that we lack that final killer vocalist. We've always struggled for a great lead singer...
PS I can't stand the website, it's horrible. Feel free to rip apart it's lameness
what that means, is testing isn't coming back. probably not for a decade or more :(
not F1, but important Eurovision Song Contest news.
worse still, others (like MotoGP) seem to be liking F1's idea - and they now want to reduce their testing for 2010 and beyond.
if it's as bad as it sounds, testing won't come back until the manufacturers (and their big money) do.
Hey Manor are in Bicester! I should apply for a job! nothing mechanical though, I fight with a PC lol
that sounds an awful lot like asking them to explain themselves in an interrogation room.
my real name is michael, but i am known by my middle name because my father and I shared the same first name. this might work for me...
more than a decade, maybe never?
CFD killed the test driver star?
I would ask them to explain too, the Azerbaijan entry was AWESOME. I still sing it.
It was an awful song.
Servers came and broke your heart? ;)
sidepodradio?
supercomputers. yes.
Ah but it didn't have sparkly trousers
Scary world. I think next year less people will be voting for that country, so mission accomplished. BUT, I don't get how you can vote for your own country - that's a key thing with the ESC. Maybe the security ministry would just prefer they vote for anyone other than Armenia.
robert scoble:
"Our next baby's initials spell out RSS. I won't reveal the name until we register the name."
:D
it's 2 syllables too long, so i had to improvise. :D
I guess, it was no Iceland ;)
aah those trousers. now i remember the girl from Iceland....
I thought you weren't allowed to vote for your own country?
From memory both were awful!
ahhh. okay:
"Albert came and broke my heart"
yeah i think they had an average journo write the piece who didn't understand how the competition worked. amateurs. nowhere to leave a comment on the page as far as i could see.
Uh oh. RG alert at the ready
i was competing with him at the time. i think my affection lasted about 3 days.
I thought countries couldnt vote for themselves?
THIS is were we've been going wrong! Stupidly voting for other countries. How foolish of us. Mind you, I still wouldn't have voted for Scooch.
she was robbed of #1
You people keep forcing me to listen to it again and again!
Ha I sent some audio samples to Mr C and Christine for podcasts and jingles etc so you may hear them in the future on here. Although between you, me, and the board I think they may have forgotten about them..........
Either that or they're being polite and don't wanna tell me they're rubbish lol
3 months and counting.
She was born in Denmark too :D
gosh, all this renewed Eurovision talk, I am looking forward to 2010 already :D
hehehe. she's actually Danish. well i learnt something. you know RG one day in 10 years one of us might accidentally meet her.
nope. but we haven't done any new shows that need jingles in aaaages.
When I go on my European tour, I may accidently on purpose walk into her.
no big surprise that is was me that brought it up.
You can't, The Grauniad strikes again.
I think they objected to them voting for Armenia - even voting for France was preferable
HA yr too kind squire
They stream this rubbish to Australia? I thought only Europe suffered!
Gina G in 1996...Oh argh just a little bit.......man she was hot
you funny man. she was in london last week though.
We heard Verka Seduchka and the Latvian Pirate song repeatedly on holiday as they were used for the kiddy disco :D
its huge here! Sadly they show it on a delay so its on at prime time rather than something like 3am.
yeah but we take it very unseriously in Oz (where i'm from). the worst thing though, it's not live. but i'd host eurovision parties where people would pick a country and bring food from that country (or "inspired by" eg Malta-> Maltesers) and then basically just laugh at how bad the entries were.
Best song of 2009, Serbia.
Weird... i don't remember it ever being on TV in NZ?
That's your definition of taking it unseriously?
I know. Stupid travel.
I don't think it is, I'd definitely never seen it until this year.
i'd already forgotten that! i think i've heard a few ESC songs in cafes and things and i just find it hard to explain why it's so funny to me. and to back Amy's comments, it is pretty big now, particularly thanks to Terry Wogan's sense of wry humour. the network that shows it (SBS) got a lot of complaints one year when they had their own person do it. they replayed it three weeks later with Wogan's comments back on.
We used to score the acts on 'straightness'
Even Wogan got a point one year for some strange comments about tight trousers...
Hahaha I just remembered reading this... I still find it really funny! :P
fair point. it does sound a tad serious now i think about it. so the organisation was serious but the attitude towards the show was not.
Nice category. Costume changes and Key changes for me. And with that comment, score me one point for your category ;)
I'm trying to remember the year we tried to have a drink from each country but it's really hazy
I was shocked that she got me to repeat almost everything I said. I know the NZ accent is 'hilarious' but surely she had heard it before, there are THOUSANDS of Kiwis in Australia :D
i hope it wasn't the year they expanded to the extra 20 countries. that would have been really tough.
It's filed under C:\University\IdeasThatSeemedSensibleAtTheTime\
:) We'll try to talk you into it for 2010.
The more straight looking they were the more points they gained. We took the view straight men wouldn't do the show so any that looked straight we thought clearly were in denial.
We did a themed evening one night where you dressed as the country you picked based on stereotypes. I was France so had a big beret, onions, frog stickers and a white flag...
music news for lukeh - muse announce two gigs in Devon
Yup, good stuff :)
he mighta mentioned that yesterday.
I'm stealing these ideas ;) what did people do for countries they had no idea about?
one day, someone will know something about muse before you... one day.
Sweet! Rock out in Totnes!!
Lukeh...i'm bored of uprising now :-(
it was me about 10 years ago ;)
:D
Is that the day Christine hates Franck?
Hehe lance armstong tweeted for a few people to join him on a ride...
How we did it was to put names of obvious countries that everyone would know into a hat. This is what a few wore:
Italy – Pizza chef with a huge moustache etc
America – NFL shirt, plastic burgers round the neck, stars and stripes bandana, map of iraq and compass
Australia – Crocodile Dundee with an obligatory blow up kangaroo
Germany – Dress as certain ‘historical’ figures…hmmm
Russia – Giant vodka bottle etc (yes somebody made a costume!)
Holland – All in orange
You get the idea
We once did a bad taste party and I remember looking out my window and seeing Hitler, Himmler, and Stalin get out the taxi together…….
I have seen muse live more times than Lukeh. Does that count?
don't think they qualified for EUROvision ;)
Nice work. apart from German. I'd avoid those cliches and just bring 10 litre beer mugs and those beer wench costumes.
how many? let's make a competition.
Twice. It's not a strong claim, but I think he's only been once.
True enough :(
I beat both of you together ;) But seeing a band doesn't necessarily correlate to fandom. Just ask an australian fan of many bands that tour once every ten years.
I have not seen any of my favourite bands that are still together :( But November 20 is only 3 months away!
Reading - 2000 (the best)
Doncaster Dome - Nov 2001
Brixton - May 2001
Nottingham - Nov 2003
Birmingham - Dec 2003
T In The Park - Jul 2004
Earls Court - Dec 2004
Lille France - Dec 2006
Wembley 2007
And 02 Nov 2009!! come on!!
who?
Can you call a pop group a band? :P
that's a lot of performances to take in. I think i've seen them about 5 times. but i think they've toured the uk more than Oz. I'm jealous.
Pearl Jam, Metallica and Live are the three I want to see. Live has been rubbish for about 10 years, but the stuff before that I love :D
I'm not jealous. No. No way at all. Nooooooooooo. Nope. No way.
didn't know Live were still around ;) so Nov 20 is a festival? are those three on the one bill?
nah, November 20 is Pearl Jam and quite possibly the best day of my life. Opening acts are Liam Finn (bleh) and Ben Harper (I know some of his songs, I'm not a fan)
One quick thing, if you fancy taking a sneak peek at their new album, you can preveiw all of the albums songs on iTunes :D
I can't listen to it anymore as my mind explodes in excitement everytime I go back to it. Although the r'n'b sounding song scares me but at the same time makes me reeeeeeeeeeally want to hear the full thing as it sounds epic. Plus the final 3 tracks being the big hyped up Symphony and based on the previews those final 3 songs alone may cause for serious lukeh mind explosions. :D
Liam Finn is pretty good. and I'm a big fan of Ben Harper. I saw a great "small" gig with him where he sang without a microphone for half of one song. it was the sort of 2000 person theatre and it sounded great. just him, no amp, no mic, no instruments. just fantastic. and as for Pearl Jam, yeah have fun :)
tempting, but I think I might want to wait for the whole thing to leak out next month.
Ah, it isnt the backstreet boys then...
they are rumoured to be coming in January. I am SO there.
Backstreets back?
Even with the dodgy choreography?
All right! :D
oh don't remind me. I might have to take a sign that just says STOP DANCING.
On that note, I am going to sleep. I was all set for an early night, 4 hours ago.
it's amazing what happens when F1 takes a break...
Goooood night.
Night, Amy. ;)
Just as well that we have back-to-back races, then. ;)
*makes gun sign with hand*
Night Amy!
lovely. sleep tight :)
Was it Liam Finn that was in Betchadupa? I saw them live a while ago at Uni - they played a great set that was full of heavy rock music so the very next day I rushed out and bought their album and was so disappointed - it was full of slow, watered down songs and was nothing like the music at the gig!
I've actually got a fair bit of work done lately. ooh the Dandy Warhols are on NME radio now...thankfully.
Night
Yay Dandys!
Was I pleased when I found some of their tracks were podsafe.
Which ones?
yep. think i saw one gig maybe. as support for something. he has an acoustic set on KCRW's Morning Becomes Eclectic which is a great US based show full of live studio performances from artists, with podcast for some live shows.
Right... will be off now as I will be cycling home in a mo...
I am going for a run in a bit too - I'm going to try and run further than the 1.6km last time as I have to get to 5km for Sept. 3rd!
One of them was on the fourth part of Radio Giggles.
I think I'm planning to use another one on the new Radio Giggles. Unfortunately I can't access that site from the office.
Good luck. Left Foot Right Foot Left Foot Right Foot. Breathe. Repeat. Hmm. time to leave myself. see you all sometime soon.
I don't know if anyone is around but I will shortly do a quick qik test... I'm going to walk to London Bridge... I'm going to try this lowest quality setting and see how that goes.
Comment along if you're about I should be able to read the comments.
I should be probably getting to bed too. Night, everyone.
Enjoy yourself, Alex. :D I'm sure the others are just lurking about. ;)
Schumi will come to Valencia. Note to self: Don't pick Kimi for FR team
...
Awwww.
Wont he want to win to rub it in schumis face that it could have bee him?
Coolio
I am not here but Giggles is live on http://www.qik.com/alexandronov
I am getting a lot of bufferig but I seem to get that from everything recently.
The pic quality is good though
It is very good, put it on lower?
I am getting 10 - 15 seconds of video followed by a similar pause
Greetings.
Er, shouyld anyone here taking about Grosjean beating Di Grassi for PK's seat in Spain ?
http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/story/?id=288050
Time for lunch here...
He said he was trying the lowest res
Hi Jordan. Grosjean was always getting the drive as he has been the reserve driver all season. For me di Grassi is the better driver
I was. It was. I have paused to let it catch up.
I am going to try the other data connection.
He just bought the Evening Standard
my guess is that this is it swapping in and out of ram. Eg ram getting full
I didn't I saw the board though.
I heard you say Evening Standard then it froze. I thought it was a good place to let you see th delay as you would remember it
I get it delivered, thats why I'd be rubbish with the qik thingy.
You think we would not enjoy you sitting in front of the letter box for half an hour waiting for it?
The delivery guy is inconsistant, sometimes he comes ridiculously early.
You get the London Evening Standard delivered?
Noo, the local paper. I enjoy reading it cos its usually all about Newcastle and struggling, makes me feel good.
That may have been worse than yesterday. The delay was up to 6.09 by the end.
it occurs to me. qik servers are in the US, right?
we need a european version of qik.
I can't believe you are walking through London reading comments from one phone while videoing yourself on another. Don't you have people staring at you?
euroqik
exactly. our live streaming improved when we moved the server to dublin.
I can see this being the next item on your list
heheh. no chance. i might tweet the qik people though.
it's a huge difference. I've seen it on my site too.
I wonder how something like that would be possible.
the key part is London lots of weird things happen in London.
But yes lots of people stare. Yesterday in the confine of the eye capsule was much more embarressing because I was trapped in with people who might ask me questions.
Sony executive just said in their Gamescom conference 'The PS2, or as I like to call it, the Michael Schumacher of games consoles."
*shivers*
because it won't go away?
What sort of industry has major press conferences which nobody televises or streams?
:D
you're too quick. or too qik, whatever you prefer.
you have a steam?
But that would mean that Flavio knows something about F1, which is about 180 degrees from what PK, jr said..... :P
I was listening to this week's TWiT before Giggles went live and they were talking about NASA planning to stop tracking asteroids because there are just too many of them. They said it was OK because Bruce Willis would save us. I think they may listen to sidepodcast.
Reading the updates over at eurogamer
sorry..Stream? Anyone have a stream... the internet appears to be all out of streams... not even a qik stream
Exactly
in that case, they should know that we also have bassano as backup.
he at least owns his own drill.
:D
All we need is a long cable attached to a power socket and hope that he doesn't just take masonary bits.
:P :P
And he's only ever 20 minutes away from the action :)
i reckon quicker, there are no one-systems in space (are there?).
the phone is getting 58kbps.... Hmmmm....
Not unless you count gravity which is pretty much one way until you get a long way up
but in space nobody can hear you live stream.
perfect.
:D ;)
Does that mean if Bassano goes he won't take you to yammer while he works?
For those wanting to see the end of the video it should be all up now. Lots of walking and talking action.
I'll already be there - in my moon car.
#MFC Sony will put be putting the bbc iplayer and content from other tv channels directly onto the PSN, hastening the demise of broadcast tv?
Ooooooooh.
Digital Reader for the PSP. Sounds good.
Any news on Gt5 yet?!?!
Nope not yet.
PSP Minis sound, intruiging.
Sure I saw on a live blog of the conference that gt5 was featured in a trailer at the beginning
seconded.
It could be very interesting if that part of the PSN is accessible from sony tv's and blu ray players, not just the ps3
GT PSP comes free if you register your PSP GO! in the first 10 days of october
are you guys following this page?
we need more bandwidth.
I'm following gamespot
Still more worthwhile sticking with the 3000
I has Kotaku liveblog
no but I am now, eurogamers has gone mad for me.
I'm following this one:
http://www.coveritlive.com/index2.php?option=com_altcaster&task=viewaltcast&altcast_code=0bc971ea16&ipod=y
have found somewhere new for giggles to live stream from.
Anywhere I can view the live press conference in QuickTime?
ps3 slim. who's getting one?
No although highlights in HOME later.
PS3 slim n cheap annonced
*looks at phat ps3*
Damnit.
Ooooooh. Tough call.
existing ps3 will be cut to 299 Euros too (same price as slim) as of now.
I have no idea what that means in pounds... could be anything from 200-350
Is that it? Is there more?
Complitimento
all done.
am really interested in the iplayer thing.
Nooope. That's it.
Ooh, just been reading about the firmware update 3.0 coming for the PS3 too. Didn't see that mentioned.
No GT5? :(
neat :)
Its polyphony so that's not a surprise, if they show anything more anywhere it will be the Tokyo Game Show. GamesCon is really for Sony Europe Studio's
Evening people :)
How far away is TGS?
Evening!
Hi all
Back now
PS3 did someone say??
A month.
Hello Jackie and RCC
slim ps3 has been unveiled.
ps3 slim piccies if anyone wants a gander.
http://www.gamed.nl/view/64299
Hi RG, Nick, RCC and anyone I've missed out
That's not too bad then.
Hi RG, Jackie and all...
PS3!! wow.....I WANT
I want some juicy F1 news .. has there been any today or is that too much to ask in the run up to Valencia?
apparently it's opening q4 2009.
I'm heading off for the evening, another day another family birthday. Byee!
see ya lukeh/
Have fun
When my new blog launches you hopefully wont be stuck with that problem ;)
:P
All these birthdays and going outs, i need to live in your family. Have fun.
Tell me more .. I'm kinda not enjoying the bloggy thing personally
Can't go wrong with more blogs :)
not inspired?
Yes well that was the problem... i wasnt blogging enough... I am starting a new daily one which i have been trying out this week.
Just ironing out a few things with it and trying some ideas before i let it loose on the world
tis the lack of feedback thing I think
more replacing the old ones i think
ahh, fair enough. if there's anything we can do to help do yell.
thanks .. maybe I just need a holiday
started a new one today, trying to be more regular with that. With football I'm hoping there is more news.
Does anyone know hoe to get rid of the snap up preview windows for links on wordpress?
fraid not :(
I think i have done it ;)
so here's an exciting update:
"Wirecast 3.5.3 released: Support for iPhone H.264 streaming"
Damn. I missed a question I could have answered!
hehe... sorry. I will call again if i manage to break it :P
No, it isn't that place is it, no, please no, no, don''t, no.
'This is a Wirecast Demonstration'
Noooooo
#sorryrg
(iphone live streaming demo coming after spa methinks)
woohoo for holiday.
Looks like Rob is going to be looking after Badoer...
I wonder if he will be "good old man" or "Luca Baby" :P
ahh, you loves it really.
I determined it as 'Papa Luca'
what is will allen's header pic??
I'm with RG .. that was damned annoying
Hate it, hate it more than anything.
*with
i couldn't hear it...
I guess he hasnt updated it yet.
There is a name for those tattoos though
whats wrong with it?
hehe, Darn, I should of asked who Will Allen was :P
he has. it's a pic of the sciences and arts place in valencia and a very bad renault stuck on top.
You're lucky!
looks like a child put it together.
Looks like an awful attempt of a photoshop
Photoshop Disaster! Do it, do it!
I thought it was a road with a Renault stuck on it
I have a pic of a McLaren and a Hungarian lady!
hehe. shall do.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/will-allen-jpg
I still dont get this new one!
http://www.hickerphoto.com/data/media/188/valencia-attraction_11261.jpg
So you're probably bored of me by now... But I am going to try some live streaming of me making dinner. A cooking show no less... Not sure which streaming service yet...
hehe it appears in ffox but not chrome... weird
I guess chrome has decency censorship
Awesome! I am just popingout but i will be an avid viewer... whats on the menu?
ustream it will be...
cool. although i'm not sold on watching a cooking show...
Its like a physical version of coding ;)
Don't worry this is cooking with Giggles... I'll take you through things slowly
i don't want to learn though :(
Are you any good?
b.a.c.o.n.
if i learn something... i'll end up having to cook something.
and then the playground will never get finished.
If you learn cooking from Giggles and not from me, I will never forgive you.
i know nothing.
i think he should be drinking wine though.
Hey all, again :P
hey scott, are you watching giggles?
Not at the moment, i heard cooking show earlier?
i think giggles needs a blind in his kitchen window...
Evening everyone, what's Alex cooking?
Evening all.
Just doubled my running distance from 1.5km to 3km with very little discomfort! Very happy with myself :D
b.a.c.o.n.
Scott,
How are we doing the Sim Racing Radio Show?
I haven't thought about it that much recently to be honest. My best bet would be to do it on Skype. Let me see if I can reinstall it and then maybe do a test to see if there's any problems?
Good idea to test it first - we wouldn't want you to do a Woodwiss would we? ;)
which wii game?
sorry, for context... giggle's, which wii game?
Yes yes, alright... :P
What you need is #giggleslivestream
ahh, the f1 game. righto.
ahha. shall do.
maybe in the next few days, there is a game expo in germany starting tomorrow
#giggleslivestream
PSP rocks and therefore gets the game before everyone else.
PSP and wii versions will be the same, out earlier.
But its made by codemasters who are good.
#giggleslivestream
I don't know. I just love my PSP.
#giggleslivestream
are you tempted by the ps3 slim, with iplayer?
Both versions are made by codemasters.
Proper Consoles are the future. you need one!
My big Qik show off was going to be me on the Wii :D
#giggleslivestream
PS3 will do it in HD
It also has an app store :P
God knows yet, Mario Kart possible. Show off on table tennis on Wii Sports Resort probably.
didn't know wii did proper iplayer. now investigating.
Canoeing is brilliant.
It has a 'channel' its not that amazing.
PS3 also lets you use the iplayer already, but it goes though the browser which isnt that convenient
#giggleslivestream
might need to see some live streaming wii games.
gotya.
So, when's my dinner going to be ready?
It is better than it was, it allows you to maximise it to full screen without having to manual align it
OMG it's Mrs. Giggles!
heehhehehehe... ummm... he might be distracted.
Could we have a competition with people in different places playing the same game on the wii & live streaming?
#giggleslivestream
we broke the 3g cell tower in the park video streaming :)
that be awesome!
I am watching you! (So is your father!)
It doesnt... I am sure i saw a demo though
Is the Wii Mario Kart thing still on?
hehe. i (heart) life.
live streaming it would be brilliant.
HI all. Back again
After Sidepodradio - everyone was busy with exams and holidays!
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sidepodcast+Mario+Kart+Wii+Tournament
don't go!!
#giggleslivestream
Oooh, I hear a timer, my dinner must be ready.
Have a good evening, everyone :)
hi. we're watching giggles and not learning to cook.
enjoy your dinner ;0
I have been watching while doing other stuff.
#giggleslivestream
where did that stuff come from?
thank you giggles and kat :)
Legendary.
hours of entertainment.
I wonder if he will be back to stream the dish washing
:D
The phone rang and i missed the ending... what happened!
We need more people to stream!
some food magically appeared on some plates and they went off to eat it.
Ah, it wasnt one of those films with a big twist at the end then?
Skype 4.1 has been installed. Gavin, whenever you're ready. :)
All this streaming makes me feel like Giggle Brother!
How are we going to record it?
hehe..oops. Anyone got a dictaphone?
I'm sure there was a piece of software you could use that enabled recording skype calls. Let me have a google...
I don't think I liike the new Fantasy Racers rules. I like this year's rules and I think they should be allowed to run for another year to see what happens. I think it could be really interesting. I also really, really don't like the limit on private leagues. It really only applies to 3 leagues and it restricts the growth of the competition.
The reason we have 568 people is because people heard it being discussed hear and they could join the private league. If the league had been limited to 100 most of the people after that would not have joined and felt excluded when we discussed it.
I can understand why Danny wants to make things more even but I think this is the wrong way to go about it.
Why not just allow the top 100 scores or take the average league score instead of limiting the number of people in it?
He mentioned a couple of months ago that he pulls in $10,000 a week(maybe month but I think week) in donations on top of the advertising.
WOW... was he trying to discourage donations!
I did think it may cost him money making a statement like that but given the his costs he would need to pul in a lot of money.
not sure. you donate what it's worth to you, so why would it?
PS3 slim pics and a comparison with the PS3 Fat
I like that he is open about these things though. Media companies usually stay tight lipped about money.
I can see some people instinctively reacting against a large sum of money.
but you can see he's investing it back into the cottage. not into a boat in the habour.
Exactly. The people who think about it will see that he has the building, the equipment and the staff so clearly he needs to pull in a lot of money but a lot of people will just react against someone "making" a lot of money.
I've got a program that can record sound so you wanna give it a test, Gavin?
Dinner's over...
We have a dishwasher, so... live streaming that isn't going to be too exciting.
Or has he built a replica of the cottage on his super yacht... hmmmm
Its better than nothing :P
Umm, I'm kinda watching something then I'm off to bed as I'm tired after my run. Can we test it out tomorrow?
we need a fish tank...
Is it a lot of money though?
$10,000 a month is probably not a lot for a celebrity to make...
And that isn't profit, it's revenue.
http://rubbergoat.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/running-diary-week-2-run-1/
Today's run diary - Really pleased with today's effort!
Absolutely. That's the big difference. The social contract implicit in that admission is huge....
That's fine, matey. :P
Inspired by Gavin's blog post just now:
http://woodwiss.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/the-need-to-get-fit/
That's awesome mate!
Thanks :)
Hello, is everybody ok?
Hi startledbunny. How's your day been?
Busy, and Live Stream free.
You missed Giggles walking and talking on Qik and cooking on ustream
Which street was he walking down in that last Qik video?
I can't remember.
just about to send a whole bunch of questions off to shell re:v-power.
anyone have any questions we should throw in, or anything we've said that needs clarification from people who actually know stuff?
How have Audi's efforts in sportscar racing and the Le Mans 24 Hours helped towards the development of Shell V-Power?
cheers.
Would they like the opportunity to offer a job?
hehehe.
Can I see Rob again?
:D
;)
How do they calculate the exact formula for the gasoline additives and is it done at the track during the race weekend or is it done back at the lab beforehand?
ooh. nice one.
What does the V stand for?
How similar is the fuel used in F1 cars (and at Le Mans for the diesel) to pump gas for road cars?
I can find no mention on the web
Oh.My.God.
erm...
what?
never thought to ask!
ah :P
I've found somewhere that suggests it could stand for Velocity.
presumably it's somthing to do with a vee engine? but a great question.
VRRRRROOOOM?
cheers peoples, questions sent.
No probs - good night all!
night sir.
Awesome question!
Am I the only person who is happy the Michael Schumacher is not returning the the prancing horse. He was a great driver but he is yesterdays man F1 is no about the next generation not the last. David C and is square jaw are doing a great job on the Beeb, much better than he did in a car.
So lets see more new talent and less old fogies. This sport is about leading edge stuff on trailing edge fluff. So sorry about your neck Michael. shame Ferrari could have put a rising star in the unreasonabley priced car but at least Luca is a new old face to most of us.
No, you're not. Moving on...
VROOM
VROOM
Trust me, you're definately not the only one! But yes, as Andy said...
love.it!
Beat me to it
Not exacttly the only person round here with that opinion. You will find many like minded people who can't stand the thought of him coming back
a quick live stream before 10pm. RCT2.
tuning in.
hehe. is that rollercoaster tycoon?
Looks rollercoastery to me.
Tycoon 2. Thank Lukeh for that, he reminded me about it!
Night All.
night sir!
As an interesting counterpoint to the Renault decision from a sport that is serious about enforcing its rules. In rugby union under certain conditions a substitution can only be made for a blood injury. I don't know the rule and am not interested enough to find out.
In a game involving Harlequins a player faked a cut mouth and walked of the pitching spitting blood. The deception was discovered and the player was banned for 13 months which was reduced to 4 months. His coach was banned from coaching anywhere in the world for three years for his part and the club were fined £215.000.
It may seem harsh but it is a certainty that no-one will risk anything like that again and all that was affected was the result of the match. I guess there is a lot more chance of someone gambling with an wheel in F1 when the fine is a quarted of that.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/aug/17/dean-richards-banned
i shouldve lived streamed the karaoke..
I think this was a bit more like the McLaren Fine. the european rugby board showing how important it was, and also getting rid of someone.
Honestly ask yourself this question...
If somebody had been killed by the wheel, what penalty would you give?
Whatever the answer to that question is, is what Renault should get. That's the only way to guarantee consistancy from the stewards.
It seems quiet here without live streaming now...
Maybe doohicky needs a funbyte factbox to show a live stream whenever one is available...
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where was this karaoke?
and yes
I agree... but its not as simple as that.
What is needed is a kill switch in race control so they can stop any car which they see as dangerous. If decisions cant be made by the teams, then take the responsibility away from them
But to do that race contoll needs to be able to control the race. the stewards need to be scrapped completly as they no longer serve any relevant purpose.
Evening all, how are we?
It's just struck me that i'm moving on the day of/day before sidepodradio. Booo
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I don't understand why it isn't as simple as that?
The teams need to be told if they do wrong bad things happen consistantly.
I don't get this they have the black flag, the black flag with the orange spot. These should be enough. Stopping a car centrally is much more dangerous.
You cannot give someone outside the car a kill switch. That is down right dangerous.
Unlucky
Problem is, they only show them at the start finish straight and at no-where else on the circuit and hold a pit board with the car number on it too...so it wouldnt have worked in the renault case
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The simplest way to ensure people don't try to bend the rules is to ensure that hard but fair penalties, that are known in advance, will be applied in a consistant manner.
They only have the blank and orange flag at the start finidh line son in the Alonso case had the wheel been still attached he would have completed a lap and had to do another lap tp get to the pits.
They need to do what they do in the IRL. Have a race director who can direct a race and radio the team or driver and give them a direct instruction.
I also hear you can sing it on sidepodradio too.
sidepodkaraoke?
They do it in other oval racing too, sometimes known as "raceciever" the race director can tell drivers where yellow flags, incidents etc etc.
Exactly. Everything speeld out clearly in black and white. That would have stopped all the Ferrari favouritism too.
they can get a message to the team in an emergancy and have it transmitted over the radio.
The easiest way to ensure that the team does the right thing is to make it such a consistantly bad idea for them to do the wrong thing that they would have never released him.
question. sort of along the same lines.
how come there's no work about an investigation into brawn for their cars falling to pieces?
it happened to RBR when theirs did.
Anyone with any musical talent can appear on sidepodradio. Many of the shows involve music and some of us would rather use music from commenters than standard podsage music.
the entertainment aspect may mean that actually talent isn't required :)
There was one IRL race where the race leader was told to give up his position very close to the end of the race because he was blocking someone who was trying to overtake him.
phew.
umm...he was in the lead and he was blocking someone from overtaking? isnt that what they're meant to do?
I thought there already was one, controlled by Bernie.
I guess because it is a one off and massively unlikely to happen again. RBR had a few cars fall apart one after the other in a short time frame. I would like any failure with safety implications to be investigated.
ah no, you're mistaking that for the script written before the race ;)
This is far to slow frm the decsion to implementation it takes 10 secconds
Race control radios the driver to pull over, if they dont they kill the engine. They will have full camera access, so i am sure they could see when its safe and when it isnt safe to kill it.
and im sure Brawn have investigated it lots, they just havent gone "LOOK LOOK!!! WE'RE GOOD!! SAFE SAFE!!! THATS US!!!! LOOOOK!!"
ok. but do we know that?
what happened to brawn saying - we looked, we know what happened, it won't happen again.
and the fia saying - we investigated and we're confident it won't happen again.
There is a difference between defending and blatant blocking which is not allowed in the IRL or any other race series apart from Schumacher's exemption in F1.
isn't it their duty to explain though. like bmw did when their kers blew someone up.
You can't ever have that. The driver may know something they don't
indeed.
F1 has an attitude, which I understand - even though I'm uncomfortable about it, which is we'll investigate before something happens, but after something happens we don't want to write the prosecutions evidence for them.
If Massa never raced again, and I sincerely hope that isn't the case, could he sue Brawn for damaging his livihood? I don't know what they sign away.
We don't have evidence of it but I have never, ever seen a spring fall off a car and I doubt I will ever see another.
Isn't that why they are paid enormous amounts of money?
what kind of thing would the driver know that the race director does that would stop the driver pulling off?
Like what? That they are right and the fia is wrong? in Hungary alonso's car could have been stopped by the end of the first corner, if not by the end of the pitlane.
Asking
yes
not all of them are. how much do you think tim earns per race?
i understand it's risky. i just think brawn have a duty to drivers and other competitors to come clean.
"our car fell to bits and took out massa because...."
i do agree, although it probably was just a part failure and you cant test for things like that.
but was it? or was it human error? we have no idea.
He shouldn't be able to do that because all drivers sign waivers. Had he been killed though his wif could sue everyone. Mark Donohue was an American driver who was killed in the 70s and his wife sued the helmet company, the tyre company etc etc. Some of the case ran for 20 years and I think she got money from all of them.
Give the other teams a technical debrief about what went wrong, but i dont think they are obliged to make it public?
They are paid for their ability. The lowest paid driver is taking the same risks or more than the highest paid.
i think at the very least the fia should though. don't you?
Analysis of the failed components would show if there was any metal fatigue or other clues as to it's failure
Evening all
I have no idea but you can't have someone outside the car controlling it. Besides if the driver is still on the track on the racing line the last thing you want to do is stop him unexpectedley.
am sure they have/are going too debriefed others, but they dont have to make it public, but im sure it would be leaked.
It should never have left the pits. You can see the wheel is not right before he left the pits.
agreed. i'm sure brawn will have done that. i'm curious why:
a) they haven't been inclined to clear the name of their mechanics
b) why the fia haven't done anything publicly on this front whatsoever.
the helmet manufacturer has been pro-active in making improvements. has anyone else?
Maybe, i don't see a massive need from it as long as everyone knows what has happened and is happy it wont happen again.
i dont think they'd stop unexpectedly, they'd pull off the racing line and slow down as if they were having an engine failure or something, the marshalls would know what was going on too, so they could cover it with flags. no safety problems
would you feel the same if massa was gone?
Was Alonso shown any flags at Hungary?
Hi Bassano
but he's not, the helmet did its job. i think thats what we take from it
As soon as you clear someones name you pass it on to someone else, however unlikely their actions were to have caused the incident.
None.
Then aren't the stewards also partly to blame? Maybe that was part of Renault's defence
Only if it actually was someones fault, if it was just a failure then thats no-ones fault
The FIA are going to steer the car as well as kill the engine?
agreed. am just curious. if the spring ended massa's life, would you be more keen to know why the brawn fell to pieces, or not bothered?
Or whoever instructs the stewards
Nope, that would be claiming gross neglegence surely? We didnt know it was wrong because we werent told?
You can also clearly see that the wheel man on that wheel did not raise his hand to say they were done. The lollipop man didn't do his job.
someone must be responsible for "lifeing" parts. every team does it. every team monitors every single part and knows exactly how many miles it's done versus what it's theoretically capable of doing.
i'm curious, but also not too bothered because the necessary people have learnt the necessary things
It would have come out as the media would have hunted it down like crazy.
As it is i dont feel a massive need to know what went wrong as long as everyone is happy the problem has been identified and fixed.
If it was one mechanics fault though a tiny mistake, would you rather he was quietly let go from the team and prevented from taking part in motorsport again, or that he was brutaly savaged in the press for something he must feel terrible about and never intended to happen?
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The FIA are claiming it was unsafe on the track but none of approved officials at the track or race control insisted the car be halted immediately
I was refering to whoever it was that said that the race director should be able to talk to the drivers, the driver is in control of the car.
fair enough.
i think if it was a manufacturer who's bits fell off, we'd know a lot more.
because the team are owned by a bloke who inherited it. there's less sense of corporate responsibility.
I do agree that the officials could probably have done more, but renault knew the car wasnt safe to do a lap, even i knew that, so they should take the main blame.
I didn't know that. If I was Renault I would have used that as th defence rather than saying two mechanics knew about the problem but no-one on the pitwall did which is a ridiculoous defence. If the mecahanic didn't signal the release is human error rather than a deliberate action.
if he didn't do his job properly, should he continue unpunished?
he may have been, but we may just not know about it
and that's my point. i think we should know.
Hello..
I have two questions then and I'd really like honest answers to them. I think it's not fair to debate the point without answering these two questions:
1) What punishment would you have given Renault if they had knowingly released Alonso with an unsecured tyre. And that tyre had killed someone.
2) What punishment would you give Brawn if it turned out they had decide to make their car less secure so they could go faster, and it killed Massa.
These two things could happen... Not to these people or in these incedents of course. But do you not think that people should have the same punishments as if these things happened. Or be asked to prove they were accidents, as in the Brawn spring?
I think given the circumstances, probably not. We've seen a number of dubious releases from various teams, this particular one just happened to have consequences out on track.
Depends what it was, if it was serious neglegence then he should be held fully accountable.
evening
i'm not talking about the renault guy :)
Also... Why can't they show the black flag at other parts of the circuit then? rather than just the pits. That seems easier that a kill switch or whatever?
evening all
i dont think so, i think that maybe there should be a "this is hte problem, we are sorting it out" statement, but if there isnt, then im not too bothered
This is a difficult issiue as it depends if they broke the rules. you could say the teams make the cars less secure by building the cars shells out of carbon fibre which shatters into sharp pices instead of kevlar and rubber.
because you have to show the flag with a board saying the car number, its basically a pit board, so you'd have to have one of each flag plus a board and numbers at each post that needs one...and the marshalls would probably need a training course in using the pit board.... (as stupid as it sounds)
we don't have enough info to answer either question? we don't anything about brawn and only one camera angle about renault.
we'd need radio traffic and all sorts of other information, which is why the fia should be investigating one and why i assume the appeal hearing let renault off of the other.
alonso and renault appeared to do what other teams have done in the past. and these things have gone unpunished. brawn appeared to suffer a freak accident and in motor racing these thing happen.
i don't object to either outcome, i am just concerned that nobody seems bothered about brawn.
they can, but by the time race control has identified which marshalls post to tell, they then have to get the right flag out of the box and identify which car to show the flag to. Race control telling the driver to stop, would be far quicker.
do they not know which car is being issued the blue flags now?
fair enough. i disagree, but i understand where you're coming from.
ah but the driver of the car will know that he's being blue flagged, you know if you are going slower than the leader.
If they had deliberately released him knowing the safety device had not engaged they should get a three ban at least. If the lollipop man released him without the mechanic signalling then it is human error. They should still be prnalised for not stopping Alonso before the wheel fell off.
That is not even a possibility. For the spring to work at all it hass to be properly secured.
I think any failure with safety implications should be investigated by the FIA and the car should have to ass a special scrutineering session before being allowed on track again.
i should think they are, just not publicly, i think Brawn are bothered about Brawn
I wonder what they would say if you emailed them and asked them specificly what happened. They may be willing to say, but dont feel the need to put out a statement.
Because the rules have never been changed to deal with moderne commnunications methods.
next question then. should button have been allowed to qualify in hungary?
Hi Guille
One race ban
Three (or more) race ban
The difference it's because the second case would be a more deeply thought action, while the first can be the result of a bad fast decision. But in both cases I would give the punishment independently of the in-track consequences. I don't think you should play with safety, and unfortunately it seems that the punishment is only good if it really hurts the team.
they changed the parts of the car that broke? am sure scruiteneers were around the car.
Should anyone? If the FIA were satisfied his car was ok, then i think its fair enough to let him go.
Perhaps they should have checked everyone else's car too for the potential for a similar failure?
did they know what the cause of the initial failure was? how could they be sure the fixes were enough?
the sister car spontaneously combusted out on track and there wasn't enough time for a detailed investigation.
I disagree with that. Wheels have come off in the past but that is why the nut retaining devices were introduced. Not stopping the car when they knew it was running without that engaged is why they are being punished
supposedly button lost time during qualifying because the team was checking/changing the same part that felt from barrichello's car. that was the sensible thing to do, I think
I think a scrutinner should have inspected his car before he was allowed.
Honestly... If it said somewhere in the rules... Unsafely releasing a car with wheels which aren't correctly attached will result in a 3 race ban. Then every team would have a device fitted to the cars which would stop them doing it. FACT.
The rules should cause teams to be preventative.
alonso couldn't know it wasn't engaged, and the team say they didn't know either. the guy pulling the retainer may not have been totally sure if he pulled it or not. it's a split second thing right, and the car moved.
maybe he had pulled it? maybe the spinner was faulty or the suspension had collapsed?
Got to go to bed... Sorry will catch up tomorrow.
But they didn't know it was Barrichello that caused the incident till after?
there are some rules in teh regs to say that (in most series atleast, not sure about F1) things like "Going the wrong way up the pitlane = DQ from session", "pit speeding = xxxx", but there are so many eventualitys that you'd struggle to cover them all....but i do agree.
aren't they deliberately loosely worded? i forget, but i'm sure someone said there was a reason they are written in a way that is open to interpretation.
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good night!
They new before Q3 started. I knew before Q3 started
night sir.
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He must have known that the car wasn't behaving normally though.
And its highly unlikely the team would have put a punctured tyre on the car
Night
Alonso very quickly knew there was a problem by the way the car was handling. He must also have been able see that it was loose
Night Alex
but he wouldn't have know the pin wasn't pulled.
That would be ideal. The problem is most of the people who make the decisions are previous racers, who probably dont like penalties.
Someone at the FIA needs to drive forward the safety. Unfortubnatly they are all too busy politiking. Badly.
i'm sure that's happened before?
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Goodnight Alex.
that's not the reason at all.
i'll need to look it up. they are intentionally no specific.
Max said that early in his presidency. He favours loose rules that can be interpreted to cover a particular set off circumstances. I assume he meant whether or not Ferrari was involved.
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If the wheel is loose the safety is not engaged.
wait wait, you can say that for tech regs, but for punishment regs that cant be true
The laws of rugby and cricket are open to interpretation of the field, but they are still pretty tight.
The only issue is if the laws are too specificly tight it makes it easier to get around them
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always? not a puncture, not a broken suspension arm? nothing but 100% a non-secured pin?
am only asking, i have no idea.
that may be the reason. you can't say it's because they're too busy playing politics though. it's not the case at all.
i think you're right, you cant tell thats its 100% a loose wheel.
There are some things which are specified such as the punishments. The interpretation of the offence is a bit looser.
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Its not 100% true, but it really can't help them focus on the saftey rules if they spending so much time arguing over max's latest random rule
fair point.
He must have been able to see the wheel moving as the first corner is a very tight right hander so the wheel would have been in his eyeline.
what we're saying is that we know he'd know something was wrong, but he wouldnt necessarily know it was a non secured pin
Sounds good to me. I co-ran a game with very similar scoring for a while.
i know he can see it. that wasn't my question. i try again (it's important to me)...
as a formula one driver of a formula one car for many years. would/could alonso have known 100% that the pin was not secured?
keeping in my he radioed in suspecting a puncture, didn't he?
I don't think so, until the wheel started to come off (but that was almost at the middle of the lap)
Do we know how the wheel acts if the nut isnt secured but the pin is engaged?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI9LQTtr6s0&feature=related
it didnt look loose, it looked wrong, but didnt look loose.
If the wheel is moving the nut is loose. If the nut is loose the safety is not engaged.
What happens is the wheel acts to losse the nut. That is what used to happen before the retaining devices were introduced.
yes but if the tyre is moving around the driver wont know that the wheel nut is loose, it will be (as brundle said) just feel really really horrible, it could be; a puncture, a wheel weight has come off and it feels unbalanced, a minor suspension failure or it could be a wheel nut loose. you wouldnt know that from the car
the audio is out of sync on that video, but even brundle thought alonso would believe it to be a puncture.
the camera and brudle also have a much better view than alonso who's much lower.
Autosport is worse than it used to be in the Atlas days. I think now only the Nostalgia section is worth the odd look, and I don't even bother with that..
Did you ever try RASF1 on Usenet? A good core of people ruined by an incredibly bad signal/noise ratio and trolls aplenty (not as many as the CART/Indy sister groups during 'the split', mind you).
I agree... but how many punctures do we see coming out the pits these days? the teams adjust the pressures for the drivers before they get put on, surely they have a system which would tell them if the pressure was too low when they go to set it, or at least someone would notice.
In any case, I don't think that the punishment should depend on the team/driver knowing that the wheel was loose. It WAS loose, period. Next time make sure you do it properly, but this time you messed it up and you should pay for it.
It looks like F1-live has started to do its own original reporting Perhaps the ESPN takeover is having an effect?
they will ask 'nando if he wants pressures changed before he pits and then they'll do that, but i think the main problem is, why didnt renault tell him.
they've been doing the occasional report all year. am hoping though.
I don’t care. He’ll be good. {Comment #528}
There's a survey going on at Formula1.com about how many points Badoer will score. Dad put his choice in and noticed something odd. 43% said he'd score no points. The same percentage said he'd score between 1-5 points. 13% said he'd score at least 6 (presumably they are mostly from Luca's family's computers - or the F1 Rejects brigade has swarmed onto the site).
ESPN do use a lot of AP and AFP reports on their main site, but their dedicated sports sites like cricinfo seem to produce their own content
You forgot me.
i wouldnt be so sure, just done a quick google as at the bottom it says "Capsis International" and googled them and found...
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we've had this convo before. capsis are owned fully by espn, it's fine.
no association with gmm whatsoever.
oh really? phew. :D
If the mechanic really didnt raise his hand and the car was released he should have been straight on to his boss telling him so that the pitwall got the message.
Capsis is f1-live. they seem to flesh out the agency reports to make them longer
But even if he did would flav have known what he meant?
I mean how serious it was.. (i am not joking here)
previous convo was here.
you wouldnt go to flav with something like that, youd go to nando's engineer
Flav would only know that Alonso was on for a good result. I would assume anything like this would go to Pat Symonds.
What does Flav do on the pitwall anyway? Surely a more useful person could be sat there cos he clearly doesn't know what he is doing. Why not stay in the pits?
coool thanks, appologee's, must'nt have been around then
I can't imagine what he does other than get himself on TV. I am sure half the time he is watching TV.
I’m actually quite embarrassed how I have them filed…..alphabetically according to what relationship I was in and what order I bought them. {Comment #555}
I sequence mine according to when the disk was last inserted into either the hi-fi or the computer (both have their own storage area). These are then rotated so that all disks get a fair chance in one device or the other, assuming I can stand listening to them. As such, the next three disks due to be in the hi-fi (unless I feel like a change) are Destiny's Child (Destiny Fulfilled), Meat Loaf (Rock 'N' Roll Hero) and Britney Spears (...Baby One More Time). The next disk likely to be conveniently missed out is Son of Dork...
I was a Bill Bailey gig in Bournemouth.. was it last year or the one before.. Tinselworm. They were doing the same thing there. Bit pricey though.
I took the opportunity of moving countries to leave them all in a box at my parents house muhahaha. {Comment #562}
Oh, is that what my brother was doing when he left a bunch of CDs in his room when he moved out three years ago? I noticed a lot of them were generic dance music, but still...
Just saw this... seems a massive effort for a massively ugly car!
Watching 1993… brundle spun out and ended up at the end of a straight… Did they not have safety cars? {Comment #584}
Ironically enough the first use of the Safety Car in the modern era* was the previous race. They were initially quite cautious in deploying Safety Cars because the powers-that-be were conservative about the effects this new-fangled idea could have. Oh how times have changed...
* - The first use of a Safety Car in F1 was Canada 1973 and it was, to say the least, a mess. To this day nobody knows who won that race...
aha awesome
My CDs are a bit like that. I've got a rack in nice alphabetical order but I didn't leave any spaces because I filled it up. So new purchases just get put into piles next to it. It used to be... rip to Winamp, put CD in the CD wallet in the car, put case in the pile. Of course, now I have the car stereo which takes USB sticks I don't need to cart the CDs around any more..
If it’s as bad as it sounds, this may mark the beginning of the end for the UK’s Motorsport Valley. {Comment #587}
This is sad. There are going to be a lot of people forced onto the dole this way and it's going to be difficult for them to find jobs elsewhere with the economy as it is.
It's also a recipe for unfairness - some teams make their own engines and that'll take a large proportion of the 350. Plus I doubt Cosworth will be restricted this way...
I dont think Engines will be included. if it was that specific, i cant see ferrari being able to run their entire road car programme along side f1 with just 350 people!
out to do some indoor climbing. see you later/tomorrow. bye!
ooh have fun!
I don't think it works that way. the limit is only in the F1 division
Bye Guille
Honestly ask yourself this question…
If somebody had been killed by the wheel, what penalty would you give? {Comment #993}
The same as was given in the appeal, assuming the reason for the reduction is what I think it is (i.e. the FIA couldn't prove deliberation on Renault's part). If Renault didn't mean to send the car out in a dangerous state, then consistency demands that the same penalty is given for unsafe release as it has been at any other time. Precedent makes it quite clear that a fine is all that can be issued for an accidental unsafe release. There's no point issuing a deterrant in this case because if a team didn't mean for a breach to happen in the first place, it won't mean it any less after a penalty. Same with other teams.
What this really reveals is that there is currently no effective penalty in the general penalty list that can be given to a team whose driver doesn't complete the race.
I'd have punished Alonso separately for dangerous driving (which I believe prevented the car from being brought back to the pits with all four wheels), but that's another matter.
I don’t get this they have the black flag, the black flag with the orange spot. These should be enough. Stopping a car centrally is much more dangerous. {Comment #1002}
It wasn't enough in this case because the black flags are centrally controlled and therefore always positioned on the start/finish straight. Alonso needed to know earlier than that if he was to be forced to drive sensibly.
Perhaps the Digiflags could be linked to the deployment of the black/black-with-orange-circle flag to improve response times to incidents like this?
They need to do what they do in the IRL. Have a race director who can direct a race and radio the team or driver and give them a direct instruction. {Comment #1008}
Race control can give a direct instruction to teams through a two-way communications system (which cost a pretty penny, I might add) - and did so when Vettel tried driving with three wheels in Australia. We generally know about it because the computer puts a written version of the instruction on-screen when it happens.
In this case, we needed a race director who acted faster.
how come there’s no work about an investigation into brawn for their cars falling to pieces?
it happened to RBR when theirs did. {Comment #1014}
The word went out during the weekend that there'd be an investigation. It just so happens that this one is more complicated than the RBR one is, and it's not entirely clear yet whether there's an intrinsic flaw in the Brawn device (the design has been on the car all year and last race contained its only failure, as distinct from the RBR suspension failing twice in successive races).
As a result, it's not a formal disciplinary investigation but an exploratory one - at present. If Brawn's done something wrong on the design of that part, they'll probably be punished for it, though given what happened I don't think they'll need that incentive to do a better job in future!
If Massa never raced again, and I sincerely hope that isn’t the case, could he sue Brawn for damaging his livihood? {Comment #1029}
I don't think so, unless it could be proved that Brawn deliberately caused that danger. Otherwise the mandatory insurance would cover it.
what kind of thing would the driver know that the race director does that would stop the driver pulling off? {Comment #1032}
Considering that number of things that the FIA has managed to miss until long after the race has finished, it would probably be quicker to answer the question, "What kind of thing would the race director know that the driver doesn't?"
i dont think they’d stop unexpectedly, they’d pull off the racing line and slow down as if they were having an engine failure or something, the marshalls would know what was going on too, so they could cover it with flags. no safety problems {Comment #1048}
No remote kill switch currently in existence is capable of all that. If someone developed one that could, it would be a different matter...
Then aren’t the stewards also partly to blame? Maybe that was part of Renault’s defence {Comment #1055}
The centralised black flag system meant the FIA could not have shown any flags of the appropriate type to Alonso. This could have formed part of Renault's defence, but the stewards and marshals simply followed the regulations. Doesn't mean the regulations are perfect, but you have to use the regulations you have at any given time.
Such as? the main problem comes from dealing with the stewards. if you give the race director the power during the race with a decent team behind him i think you would find situations being dealt with immediately and not 20 laps or 5 hours later.
I didn’t know that. If I was Renault I would have used that as th defence rather than saying two mechanics knew about the problem but no-one on the pitwall did which is a ridiculoous defence. If the mecahanic didn’t signal the release is human error rather than a deliberate action. {Comment #1070}
I think the "only two mechanics knew" followed on from the lollipop error. Besides, I think they were trying to fend off the "knowingly" bit (relatively simple, with what they said probably being sufficient) rather than claiming they didn't breach any regulation at all (which wouldn't have been possible if the lollipop was lifted early).
Such as? the main problem comes from dealing with the stewards.
If I gave you a full list, I'd probably still be typing this time tomorrow.
As a brief list, the FIA has previously managed to miss until a long time afterwards:
- Component failures (for example, Raikkonen's exhaust weakening, then falling off in France 2008)
- Loose bits of track (for example, the loose drain that was loose for some time before Juan Pablo Montoya hit it in China 2005)
- vast quantities of debris on track causing a hazard (several occasions, but the most striking was in USA 2004, when a load of Turn 1 debris was left until Ralf Schumacher crashed from a puncture ten laps later)
- dangerous weaving (Fuji 2007; took some amateur footage posted to YouTube for the FIA to figure out the Vettel-Webber crash was not as straightforward as it looked)
- the fact that Juan Pablo Montoya shouldn't have been on track for 57 laps of the US GP 2004 - because he'd disqualified himself by actions he took 14 seconds before the formation lap!
Asking the FIA to have any sort of direct control over the cars themselves is a recipe for disaster.
I dont see how bolstering the power of people who could take actions in these circumstances is a bad idea.
In fact making one person responsible for it and having people answer directly to them and not the stewards would surely make it more efficient.
I am not saying the FIA should just turn a car off. they should tell the driver to pull over, and if the driver fails to do so, and it is a saftey issiue they should be able to take action.
The idea is probably a good one. The problem comes with who that persoon is, and how the decisions are made.
I don't think I have ever seen a GP weekend where I have been happy with all the stewarding decisions. There needs to be a single group who are respected for good, independent rule governing. Alia has given a good list of some very dubious situations in recent years, and there are many others. Until there is someone in charge making decisions for the good of the sport and safety of the drivers we will continue to have farcical penalties and appeals.
Why can’t they show the black flag at other parts of the circuit then? rather than just the pits. {Comment #1080}
Because the black and black-and-orange flags have to be co-ordinated by Race Control directly. Impossible to do properly and consistently with the marshal system (hence why only one position), but I reckon the Digiflags could do the task if programmed to do so. One button pressed by Race Control and all the Digiflags could say the same thing (except, perhaps, for ones already showing yellow flags for a particular danger zone as per their current purpose).
Oh my goodness, has anyone seen the rally crash in argentina with the horses? The driver and co-driver were ok, but the horse sadly died.
There is a pretty graphic pic in the article not sure if i should post it here.
There has been a number of those in the past in WRC and other races. There was shocker at Bathurst a couple of years ago involving a kangaroo.
I disagree completely. The solution is easy - do what they do in the US series - just stop scoring them.
If you mark them as DNF (or even DQ) it renders their being on track any longer utterly pointless.
Do race control have the guts to stop a car? I don't think so. As you showed in your previous post, they spend laps and laps deciding on if a car is dangerous or not....
i don’t object to either outcome, i am just concerned that nobody seems bothered about brawn. {Comment #1085}
The reason why I'm not worried about the Brawn situation is because the investigation into their accident with Massa is still ongoing. It was not a straightforward accident, so it is only to be expected that the data-gathering and analysis is taking a while - especially since figuring out culpability is probably below ensuring a lack of repetition on the FIA's agenda.
Of course they should do that, anyone ignoring race control should also be banned for a couple of races. But if peoples lives are on the line and the driver doesnt realise it, there should be a last resort
That doesn't necessarily get a dangerous car off the track, as they should have done with Kimi in France, 2008.
sniper?
I haven't known a driver in any series ignore a call from race control to pit the car for safety reasons. They do it for penalties but not for safety stuff, IMO.
If they had made the call he would have pitted. No call was made and therein lies the problem.
do they not know which car is being issued the blue flags now? {Comment #1087}
Usually - but not always. Black flags are of such gravity that no error could be borne in issuing them, either in terms of giving one out in error or missing one that should have been waved.
They could not hear the call, have a moment of madness... I realy dont see why this is a bad idea.All it will do is provide an extra leval of saftey
I haven’t known a driver in any series ignore a call from race control to pit the car for safety reasons. {Comment #1205}
Vettel, Australia 2009. There weren't any flags (before the completely black one), but he did get instructed from Race Control and he ignored it.
How many times has it been required so far?
They could not hear the call, have a moment of madness… I realy dont see why this is a bad idea.All it will do is provide an extra leval of saftey {Comment #1208}
And an extra level of danger if mis-applied (quite likely, given the FIA's track record).
Fair enough - I don't think cutting his engine would have helped. He could have coasted, accidentally or purposely, into a dangerous position such as the racing line. What if the system decides to activate when not required?
Thats a a bit like saying, Why dont we get the cars going faster and faster untill people actually start getting seriously hurt in every accident then we know what is safe
Honestly… If it said somewhere in the rules… Unsafely releasing a car with wheels which aren’t correctly attached will result in a 3 race ban. Then every team would have a device fitted to the cars which would stop them doing it. FACT.
The rules should cause teams to be preventative. {Comment #1103}
The teams already are preventative - they do hundreds of pit lane drills to avoid mistakes being made. Until someone devises a device that's capable of preventing any movement in the car until all wheels are secure, the risk will always be there no matter what the teams and the FIA do.
no it isn't.
it's like saying, why don't we have a system where if a driver slightly misbehaves some overbearing steward can pull the cord just because they feel like it.
Thats exactly what i was going for.
you've lost me then. i don't get why they should be given what is a potentially dangerous method of stopping drivers when we know it'll get misused
anyway, i need sleep..
He must have known that the car wasn’t behaving normally though.
And its highly unlikely the team would have put a punctured tyre on the car {Comment #1113}
He might have thought he'd run over debris early in the lap. Doesn't explain why Fernando drove on at full speed though.
You forgot me. {Comment #1157}
Sorry. Though you do know Luca would need to be on the podium for 6 points to be given to him? (Feel free to throw something at me if he does make the podium) ;)
anyway, i need sleep.. {Comment #1218}
Goodnight, Pat.
no it isn’t.
it’s like saying, why don’t we have a system where if a driver slightly misbehaves some overbearing steward can pull the cord just because they feel like it. {Comment #1215}
Worse still, it enables a race controller with a grudge to abuse the facility without meaningful appeal. I'm not saying Charlie would do it, but a future race controller might.
Everyone seems to be getting the wrong idea about this, its something which would be needed once every 3-4 years. Its something which already has the tech in place to be done, and would only be used in a saftey emergency where the driver does not respond to calls from race control, and there is a clear danger in allowing him to continue.
That sounds like what they said when the safety car was introduced. It was introduced after years of ridiculong American racing for having full course yelliws and pace cars. Bernie in particular was scathing about it and frequently said it was one of the reasons F1 better. The safety car was only going to be used in emergencies now you can't go three races in a row without deploying it.
Everyone seems to be getting the wrong idea about this, its something which would be needed once every 3-4 years. Its something which already has the tech in place to be done, {Comment #1223}
It would be needed every 3-4 years... ...and probably either used once or twice a season, or threatened but never activated, depending on who was in charge of the button. Either way it wouldn't be used the way it needed to be used.
Also, the tech isn't there to do it safely, because that would require steering, acceleration and gradual braking as well as a kill switch. Otherwise there'll be deactivated cars on the racing line and all sorts.
Isnt that a good thing though, in the 93 race on the bbc, brundle i think was left at the end of a straight with cars heading at him at full pelt before turning at the last miniute, the marshals were struggling to move the car and the rac carried on meters away. It does get overused on occasion i agree, but i dont see that happening with this solution as most drivers will just leave the track anyway.
Why wouldn't it be used in the correct manner?
Race control have the power to issue black flags now. we don't see 5 of them per race?
Can you imagine the fallout if the race director hits the kill switch and the driver is then involved in an acident either being hit frm begind or after he got out of the car? Can you imagine if the driver was killed?
It can't possibly ever happen.
Every time something new is introduced it is used way more than anticipated.
All that would happen is the engine would be cut when race control deems it to be safe to, the driver would then park it on the grass. deliberately leaving a car stranded on the track doesn't happen now, why would it then?
They are only going to use this if the driver refuse to follow orders to leave the track but when they hit the kill switch the driver immediately becomes co-operative?
can you imagine a dangerous car loosing controll and killing a dozen spectators?
Its only an absoloute last resort!
Its not a game show where people phone in to choose which car to turn off next.
Im giving up on this, I really dont understand these arguments
I don't need to imagine it. I have seen it.
Why wouldn’t it be used in the correct manner? {Comment #1227}
Because the FIA rarely does much else in the correct manner. We don't see lots of black flags in a race because there is such an uproar when they are used that the FIA is scared to use them at all - or such is the impression they give me. The Vettel incident was the first time one has been shown to a competitor since Australia 2002, and there have been incidents since then which warranted a black flag.
i'm gonna jump right in at the end of the conversation.
we've already seen that max will happily abuse every single power available to him to screw over ron dennis, at any possible opportunity.
give him a sniff of a chance to switch off lewis' car? he'll do it without hesitation. you know it.
as you were.
But why hasn't lewis been shown black flags then, this would surely be an even more extreme equivalent to that. The system would tell everyone what had happened and there would be a similar level of uproar
Because you can't acidentally show a black flag. You can't accidentally tell Ferrari what signal they need to transmit to activate a black flag
uproar means nothing to the fia. never has, never will.
i think lewis has seen is fair share of penalties during his short time in f1. fair or not? depends, but he's certainly been dealt a few.
deliberately leaving a car stranded on the track doesn’t happen now, why would it then? {Comment #1230}
Because the driver wouldn't have control of the car (apart from limited amount of steering). Kill switches are designed to activate quickly, so the moving off wherever the car was would be completely dependent on how much momentum the car possessed and where the nearest safe spot is. Remember that race control doesn't get a view of every single part of the circuit, only of those parts which happen to be being sent to a feed at that specific moment (to avoid information overload).
That is a good point. What is the kill switch killing?
my idea was it would kill the engine and leave the car in neutral.
It still seems completely logical and a good idea to me, but not to anyone else so i may have to drop it!
seems crazy to me, and i've only read 6 comments :)
blog post?
can you imagine a dangerous car loosing controll and killing a dozen spectators?
Its only an absoloute last resort! {Comment #1232}
I can imagine the kill switch seriously hurting people if mis-applied. Particularly competitors who had nothing to do with the original infraction getting launched over deactivated cars. Could spectators end up involved in such an accident involving multiple cars? Quite possibly.
The problem with safety is that it's easy to put in measures that contradict the initial purpose of their introduction. I have a feeling that the remote kill switch is one of them.
It wouldnt work in my new blog ;), but maybe i should have written it all out.
Im kinda fed up with it now :P
I still think scrapping the stewards is a good idea too, have race control do the race, then a court which travels with f1 to rule on matters before the race and issue penalties afterwards, with the same people going to every race
But why hasn’t lewis been shown black flags then, this would surely be an even more extreme equivalent to that. {Comment #1236}
If you believe the conspiracy theory, there was no need - more moderate measures did the job quite sufficiently without need to resort to black flags. Besides, Lewis never had a situation where the black flag (or kill switch) could plausibly have been pulled out. But that was more luck than judgement.
Also, the FIA got scared off issuing black flags in general some time ago, unless forced. It may even date back to the black flag M Schumacher received in Silverstone 1994 and the fuss kicked up then.
I dont see why people would deliberatly make an effort to hit all these deactivated cars, which would be turned off when it appears safe to do so, but i guess it is a possibility.
digi-flags are a good start. they aren't being used enough though.
How is it killing the engine though. Are you cutting hydralics, fuel, electrics?
A detailed explanation would help but in the end I agree with Alianora. I don't want the FIA to have that power because I don't trust them and their lawyer is not going to allow it because they will get sued for everything if someone dies as a result of a deliberate action to stop his car.
Ok this will be my last post on the issiue :P (i am sure i said that a while back)
I have no idea, i guess just putting it into neural and then stop the driver changing gearmight be the best way? I dont know enough to come up with a more final answer than that
Cars hit each other all the time and several drivers have been killed or injured hitting stationary cars.
my idea was it would kill the engine and leave the car in neutral. {Comment #1241}
If the engine is killed and the gearbox and KERS as well (due to regulatory safeguards), then you also kill the accelerator. Brakes need grip to be effective and tyres generate more grip at speed, so they'll have reduced effectiveness should coasting be insufficiently rapid deceleration. The steering goes down because it's reliant on hydraulics, which in turn rely on the engine. The car will coast quickly to a halt in a straight line from wherever it was when the kill switch was activated.
If a spot within 50m of a straight line from where the car started isn't safe, then a straight kill switch won't suffice.
That is why I was adking how it was going to be killed because all these things are inter-reliant and just saying kill the engine leaves all sorts of potential problems as unintended implications.
I dont see why people would deliberatly make an effort to hit all these deactivated cars {Comment #1246}
They don't make a deliberate effort to hit cars now and they still manage it. Having one moving at such a different speed to them makes it more likely, if the deactivated car ends up in an unsafe spot.
digi-flags are a good start. they aren’t being used enough though. {Comment #1247}
Agreed. I'm a convert to them now.
i was expecting them to do more with them. run them at every marshall post etc.
They should. They also tried coloured lights on the steering wheel which is even better.