The start of another week, and for myself at least, a good one. I am not at work this week, and can spend my days doing leisurely things, such as editing podcasts, and sorting out Sidepodradio bits and pieces. So, here are some of the other things I will be distracting myself with:
- Joe has written a very interesting post about the injury that is keeping Schumacher from racing the Ferrari in Valencia. One thing it does suggest to me is that if Schumi is still struggling from his injury now, then we definitely won't see Massa back this year. But as Joe says, health really should be the number one priority, even if you are taking part in a sport that proclaims it's danger on the tickets.
- I missed this at the time, but Maverick posted the second part of his mid-season review a couple of days ago. I especially enjoyed the first post with it's many graphs and great explanations, so this one is definitely worth checking out as well.
- And turning to our own site for in-house plugging, Amy took a fantastic walk around Albert Park and live streamed it for us. We collected the videos in a post here. Meanwhile, we posted the second edition of our Interviews with Bloggers series, this time with Lukeh, and he has some amusing answers. Check it out if you have ten minutes to spare.
That'll do it for now. I'm not sure we can top what an entertaining weekend we've had, but we're worn out now, so perhaps it's time for some peace and quiet! However, we always want to know what you're up to, so I'll see you in the comments.
Hello new daily post, nice to see you've arrived on time!
Morning Daily!
Mrs C the link to amy's post doesnt work
Oh yea. It helps if I actually put them in. Will fix now :)
Midnight already? That was quick.
I also have this week off and I will be golfing, getting my exam results, visiting a 'House of Marbles' (I don't really know either), catching up with paperwork, getting an MOT for the car, more golfing, getting drunk with college peeps after we compare notes, and possibly going to Thorpe Park - although I've been so many times I'm not overly excited about that.
Hehe :D
aha, that was great. thanks guys :D guest post on its way soon, half written on paper, so just have to write it up proper :D
Wrong thread, sorry
Am watching the early stages of the Blind Installation, before I volunteered
Giggles is saying "This is really surreal..."
He had NO idea
I cant get Alex's video to work and i am feeling incredibly lazy so migt try and hit the ha.
I will be back if this doesnt work!
Which video are you watching?
Nick Heidfeld... dancer or Human?
http://www.sidepodcast.com/playground/livestreaming.php
Alex (Ustream)
dancer!
Ron Dennis?
no comment
"I can't start drilling willy nilly"
His heart wasn't in it from the beginning ;)
Thinks a lot.
uh oh, late for work. The blinds were totally worth it though.
It should have been obvious that his place was yammering. We just didn't know it yet.
I predicted that
You MUST tell them why :)
I get to 1:30 and it all stops. This is so unfair.
Amy is off to work so sleeps for me!
Did you miss the live show then?
Let it buffer a bit
G'night Nick
Night NIck
bye nick and amy
Same
OH by the way, it was 3 hours and 20 minutes till my next stint....not 2 hours and 20 minutes as i corrected myself ;)
Should we predict how many minutes late you are?
:D
Hehehehehe.
I see a couple of birthdays were missed in todays post, no worries. Dr. Mario Theissen celebrates his 57th and Oscar Alfredo Galvez would have been 96, now off to get a Fullers. the first line you here at the beginning of the Motorhead song 'I won't Pay Your Price' is ' I'm so drunk' :D
Possibly my favourite thing i've ever said. EVER.
"(big zip sound) 3 hours and 20 minutes until my next stint,....no wait it's 2 hours and 20 minutes....(big pause)....so yeah, im gonna get some sleep"
aha :D
of course because i am late i take the tram to get to work quicker and it has hit every single red light.
Always the way
when are you supposed to be there?
23 mins ago?
Kat to Giggles
I'm surprisingly nervous, you have a drill in your hand
I guess this doesn't happen very often.
I can see why
He'll stick to yammering in future
Loved the vids from Albert Park, I might be ambitious enough over the next two weeks to take some pics of the former CART track in Vancouver.
That would be very cool!
I am very confused. During the live show I had horrific buffering. I am now watching the replay and it has run for 21 minutes since I clicked play without a second's hesitation. Surely there is no difference watching the live show and the replay.
Yeah, it loads up the next bit before you watch it, i.e when i was watchng at 30 mins i could scroll up to 45-60 minutes without any problems.
They record the show then upload, no buffering applies
If that's what you meant
Pretty sure there was a track round here. Ahh, I'm annoyed. Gonna write a blog post on lack of tracks up here tomorrow.
Night anyways, see yas beyond the blue honda
The buffering must be at my end though because other people had no problems.
aha, i was reading that the other night :D
night!
Night RG.
Night RG
I only had buffering on the simultaneous Qik feed
See ya RG
bye RG
I didn't even risk that. For most of the show I had pauses every 10 seconds. I was losing 3 minutes out of every 7 or 8
Night RG.
OK, I'll do it, better write it down while I still have the capability of remembering to do so. Kettle Valley Amber Ale up next.
From yesterday:
If only I'd listened, was foxed by the one-way system
Looks like someone has been visiting the odd world record site Christine mentioned before.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090815/tod-austrians-target-ice-cream-eating-cy-7f81b96.html
Night
It's a good job they just had to stand by their bikes and not ride them. We have seen how dangerous bikes can be.
Ooh, do that!
When I started reading I had visions of them setting a second record for the biggest pile of cyclists ever after an accident.
I nearly posted a comment in answer to a question Mr C asked in the replay. I just assume everything is live now
Two for the price of one.
Right, sleepy time pour moi. Ta for this weekend all, was alot of fun :D
Night Jon
bye jon
Night Jon.
night Jon
See ya Jon
G'night Jon
Zip up tight ;)
shhhhaaatt up :P ;)
twas rather funny though :D
Jean Todt at Benetton?? He was with Peugeot before Ferrari Mr C
Very strange watching myself arrive at Alex's house
Bassano to the rescue!
Don't tell me you have been drinking all day like me.
I'm going to have to pause it soon and watch the rest tomorrow
Wonder if it's downloadable, I should save this
Good question. I'm not sure.
Anyway, had better get some sleep. Talk to one and all later.
Night Christine
See ya Christine
Thanks for making this all possible
Not a drop.
Good night Mrs C
Night!
night Christine
Night, Christine.
Morning, everyone. Looks like you all had fun last night. :D
Hey Journeyer, what's new.
Not much, same same here. ;)
I'm watching myself drilling Alex's walls on playback
So weird
Hi J. It was great :-)
Hi Journeyer.
You have a lot of video to watch
My goodness, it IS Sidepodhomeimprovement.
Never mind Giggles; Bassano will fix it! :D
hi journeyer
Suuuure looks like it. Just another day at SPC, then. :D
I'm watching footage from the '96 Molson Indy so I can take some pics to see see how things have changed. Live commenting getting drunk as well. Damn these letters keep moving:D:D:D
Sounds like fun :-)
I'm having another Google Reader catch-up session, 2nd night in a row, I'm really getting on top of it at last..
BTW, where can I see the replay of "Bassano Will Fix It"?
You should be able to watch on Alex's ustream feed
http://www.sidepodcast.com/playground/livestreaming.php
It really adds to the comedy if you follow the comments too
If you click through on the link above the player it'll take you to his ustream account. You should probably do the same on his Qik account. From each you'll be able to pick the different videos. I think he did two on Ustream(?) and several on Qik.
Ustream only will be fine
If you ever watch any vids from the '96 Molson Indy Vancouver and you hear Paul Page calling it the suburbs, ignore him because the race is right in Downtown Vancouver. I guess he went to the Jim Macay school of broadcasting, damn it's getting tough to type, for those who don't know Mackay called Vancouver a village during the 1979 Soccer (Football) bowl in which the Whitecaps won. gotta get another beer.
Drunk commenting gets increasingly difficult
i didn't say he was did i? i said it didn't matter where he went to be a team boss, he would've been the same and done the same.
my example being, he coulda gone to benetton instead of ferrari.
absolute favourite moment...
q: do you you guys have a metal drill bit?
*both look around*
a: yeah loads. all of them are made of metal...
I thought you said he could have stayed at Benetton but maybe you phrased it in a way which could sound like either meaning.
i could've, but i didn't mean it :)
You're Not kidding:D I think we need a smiley with a glass of booze:D
Do you think we need a highlights edition?
:D
oooh yes! very much so.
I think we could have a section in the sidepoddies award show for best clip from a live stream
ahh, brilliant :)
Trying to find that bit now
does the drill that you have have different settings for drilling?
No, it's quite old. No 'hammer action'
heheheh http://www.shanerogers.com.au/blog/?p=134
Quality!
I love the Max grafitti that is linked from it
http://www.shanerogers.com.au/photos/2009-05-08/Pages/19.html
i feel a little ill but i dont think being 45 minutes late and going home early would go down too well
Probably not
Sidepodcast separation anxiety?
almost certainly not...
I'm gonna head to bed. Catch you tomorrow.
See ya Pat
night pat.
apparently giggles can download the file from his admin page in ipod format. not sure we can though.
Night Pat
night Pat
I'll ask him to try and put on drop.io
I'm glad I don't have to work tomorrow, it's still the the 16th here yes we are a little behind the time, boy am i gonna pay for all this drinking tomorrow. bah, no pain no gain and i think my glass is empty again.
ooh, what's next?
Anybody seen Clint Eastwood's film Gran Torino? Saw it last night, what a great film, the man still's got it.
Loved it, great film
pick one if you like. Still got the usual suspects except for the Kettle Valley
great ending, without spoiling for others
ace. what's the bottle with the light blue label on the right of this pic?
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/beer-update-jpg
and have you had any of that yet?
Belgian... something
That is a Granville Island Belgian Wit and it's still there but not for long, next on the list. will update photo.
I love the idea of people picking what someone should have from his own fridge :D
fantastic :)
i only wish are fridge looked like that.
i am perplexed by this picture from getty.
"Scottish Formula 1 racing driver drives his car during the Bavaria City Racing in Rotterdam on August 16, 2009"
they've forgotten his name already? also, love the keywords at the bottom of the page:
- driver
- sport
- van
It's not like he raced 20 years ago
i can only think they didn't know how to spell his name? very odd.
i see more beer pics!
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/beer-update-2-jpg
Photos updated on the drop. Won't link because i am on my way to oblivion
They picked up that he was Scottish and the car was F1. Anyone with no more knowledge should be able to find the answer from there.
hehehe. too much fun aitch.
i must go now, but i shall raise you a virtual glass and bid y'all goodnight.
Good night Mr C
no-one do any drilling while i'm gone.
cheers Mr C and goodnight, Belgian Wit about to be cracked open
I just called my parents and the first thing my Mom says 'you're not drunk are you' and my response was ooooooh yeaaa
G'night Mr C
Watching the last few minutes of the handiwork and I'll be off soon too
I bet she loved that
I guess she was on the other line, all I got was 'I'll call you back later' man I'm glad I
don't live at home. there now that comment is fnished
And with that I bid you farewell hoping your hangover is kind to you when Monday's sunshine hits you at some point
i have a feeling it will be not only ugly but downright fugly. Night BC
Time for bed. Night all
night Steven
lunch time! Because i didnt have time to prepare lunch this morn I only have $1.45 on me so am heading to aldi on a budget challenge to see what i can afford.
about 3 weeks or so i forgot to pack something for coffee break and i tell you i have have breakfast around 5am on work days and it seemed like noon took forever to arrive, boy was i hungry. i see it's time for another beer.
success! A tin of spaghetti with tomato and cheese sauce. Dont even need a can opener because it has a ring pull. 99c. Now to find a fork.
stores should give away free fork or spoons. Do you have a nuker at work?
it is in my tea cup and microwaved, and i found a spoon in the dishwasher. Nom nom nom. How is the beer going?
the beer is going down down mighty fine, although i will need a beer run at some point on monday if the hangover ain't too bad, no chance on that:D
quiet around here tonight
Good morning! GOOD MORNING!
I've slept the whole night through, good morning, GOOD MORNING to you!
good morning, sleep is still a couple of hours and a few beers away, if i last that long.
I eat far too much subway but at least the one near my work has a loyalty card. I'm saving the free subs for that day I really need it
Morning all!
So today is Renault's Appeal day?
Honestly, I can't see how F1 can come out looking good if the appeal is either upheld or dismissed?
i wonder if the fia will allow the team to race and allow the drivers to keep points if they score any but disqualify the team from collecting constructor points
Is a suspended ban a good compromise?
That works too. I suspect we'll see one of these two options exercised.
I think that looks like they are trying to let Alonso race in Spain to make money, so it looks bad to me.
The second is better and has a precedent with McLaren in 2007 but looks too knee-jerk and heavy handed. Also a Fail. What a mess!
good morning. anyobody else having problems with internet ? half the sites I try to access are not available. even FIA.com ...
Has Badoer's track days at Fiorano been brought up? I don't have time to catch up with last night's comments...
I had problems last week when there were those broken cables between Taiwan and the mainland. Everything works fine now.
They always fail on big news days don't they?
hm... maybe the Taiwan earthquake this morning broke some cables again
But I personally think the penalty was deserved. What's the best solution, then?
well, besides the news I am also trying to work :-) and I can't
anyway, wasn't the hearing scheduled for 18 Aug with result to be publised on 19th ?
Reuters say there's no damage reported so far.
Taiwan is SO unlucky right now.
Japan has been hit with 3 earthquakes in a week. I hope this isn't leading up to something worse.
well the last time earthquake hit under the sea off Taiwan the major cable was cut and the result was quite similar to what I see now
even Twitter does not work me :-(
I don't - it's too harsh and Renault are victims of circumstance.
I can't stop thinking about Alex's brunch so I'm having french toast for dinner.
i did hear a couple of weeks ago on a radio program that we are in cycle where we can expect more earthquakes. i hope that ain't true because we are well overdue for one here and the experts think it could hit in the high 8's to 9's on the Richter scale
now I can add also yahoo and flickr and everything else yahoo to the list of sites that don't work for ... something is not right
But if they indeed not fully inform Alonso of what was going on, there is negligence there that needs to be punished accordingly.
no one seems to be complaining here... yet. so i suspect it may be a different cable that broke.
He knew there was a problem with the car (he thought it was a puncture) and the team told him to pit. Good enough for me.
well this site I can access
Morning everyone... I can't remember my weekend... I hope I didn't do anything too odd ;)
I seem to recall some eggy bread...
:)
thank you for inspiring my dinner :D
was that the french toast & fruit on the drop? damn i getting hungry now
It was... And bacon... My friend made it for me yesterday... It was AWESOME.
mmmmmmmmmmmbacon
and maple syrup...
you can't go wrong with maple syrup especially if it's from Quebec
morning everyone :) im standing in a shopping centre that is made up of about 4 shops! Worst shopping centre ever!
but if you are in the centre and people are shopping, then it is officially a shopping centre ;)
but its rubbish! :D
Then you are mistakenly at a landfill?
Here cometh the preview quotes!
And with that, I officially announce the beginning of Grand Prix Week!
Aitch, are you STILL going?
we need a fridge update.
*bouncy, bouncy in*
Hi everybody.
:)
hey rg.
*bounces back*
I am watching the live stream from last night :)
Hey, just wanna share this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqqy1cXUsBc
Massa was interviewed by TV Globo sometime last week and shown on TV yesterday. His recovery is amazing.
i think the tripod slipped. it's meant to be:
"...a decoration ceremony for those who assisted Brasilian F-1 driver Felipe Massa's during his recovery"
here's a better one.
Traffic lights = FAIL
I spent 20 mins this morning at 1 set of lights.... 20 mins!
Apparently it had decided traffic coming from my direction was bad and never turned green.
Afternoon everyone.
it is? oh rats.
Gah. I'm on it.
Afternoon! having a fun day?
Knew it straight away!
:D
Erm... I slept, then I did the washing up.
So far so good.
Haha, I have greggs for lunch. Next half hour is gonna be reaaal good.
First day of a holiday? Coz that sounds like what I do!
Hey RG Congrats about yesterday ;)
This one's for Giggles' media company. :D
LEGO to supply Formula 1 with tyres for 2010!
They already do - to Brawn, it seems ;)
:D
I know what you were referring to, but after it updated, it looks like you can make the afternoon into morning. Hehe. :D
good stuff. i wish i could understand it.
that would put giggles into the shade :)
Hehehe.
His eye has healed up really well :)
What did I do now?
I know. Too bad no one can translate Portuguese here. I particularly wanna find out what Massa was saying when they were watching the onboard, and when they were examining his helmet - it looked like Felipe was explaining where the spring hit and how it broke the helmet.
Hahaha it took me a while to work that one out :P :D
What about BOL and Felipe Leite?
what if we yelled, really loudly?
It would make him and Bassano look like total amateurs. :D
You could tweet loudly?
they don't do twitter?
Apparently Jamallen tweeted that FM is targeting interlagos for his comeback
AND. TALKED. REALLY. SLOWLY. SO. THEY. UNDERSTOOD?
They picked up that he was Scottish and the car was F1. Anyone with no more knowledge should be able to find the answer from there. {Comment #147}
Was it Jackie Stewart? ;)
I did that last night, following the comments too?
It looked more like McNish ;)
Honestly, I can’t see how F1 can come out looking good if the appeal is either upheld or dismissed?
The accusation itself was the type to make looking good impossible. I can't see how the FIA can prove its allegation, but if it doesn't, there will always be suspicions hanging over the team.
I have a feeling the decision will be upheld.
Any news?
I just found this: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77730
Not news really?
i wonder if the fia will allow the team to race and allow the drivers to keep points if they score any but disqualify the team from collecting constructor points {Comment #172}
That will really annoy me. As far as I could see, Alonso was the only one who demonstrably did anything wrong (by not slowing down when it became obvious something was wrong with his car). If he escapes punishment and his team doesn't, that would be an injustice.
We're not expecting anything today, though, are we?
I'm watching them not us :)
According to the article, no, that's a correct assumption.
I think the judgement comes tomorrow
good morning. anyobody else having problems with internet ? {Comment #175}
Unless Facebook apps and the Fisichella Forum count, no. The former can be a bit shaky at the best of times and the latter has been down for a fortnight...
Ah, if it is upheld then Alonso could drive the Ferrari?
Makes sense, why else would Badoer have been announced? He's only temporary!
maybe the Taiwan earthquake this morning broke some cables again {Comment #179}
That would explain a lot...
How's your farm going? ;)
From the entry:
Does he know something we don't, I wonder...?
Ugh. :P
Let's see what James Allen says (as he speaks Italian and has contacts through his work with RAI TV) but maybe it's a paddock rumour like the one at the weekend about buying out Raikkonen's contract...
What about BOL and Felipe Leite? {Comment #236}
I follow a @filipefurtado on Twitter - would he do?
I'd have a go at translating the video, but I have no sound card and no Portuguese (only Spanish).
Good luck! ;)
Ah fair enough
Crazy weekend it was
How’s your farm going? {Comment #257}
Very nicely, thank you. There are now two cows, a chicken and a sheep in the compound, a little tree grove, a cross-shaped vegetable patch and a rest tent. :)
It'll be a while before it has 20 horses like the farm I actually live in, though!
there's a them and us now? ;)
:) he he :)
It was absolutely bonkers :)
Did we not tell you about Sidepodfixing? ;)
Ugh. :P {Comment #259}
Have you tried it, then?
I wonder if J is on Facebook?
No Facebook. :D But I'm aware of all the FB fads - the farms, the mafias, the restaurants - I've seen 'em all. ;)
If I get one (which at the moment is unlikely), I'll let you know. :D
Off to work now, catch ya later folks
Hamilton's set to make an appearance during the Brands Hatch round of the DTM on Sunday 6th September.
http://www.motorsportvision.co.uk/news/article.asp?NewsID=4937
Why is this an exclusive article for subscribers on AUTOSPORT?
Analysis: Why Renault got its ban
Urm, because their wheel fell off.
But others' wheels fell off in the past and didn't get banned for it, right?
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
:P
Maybe they felt guilty about MrC's complaint and decided to give online subscribers 'a bit extra'
I have read it somewhere else - it argues the penalty was harsh and without precedent, because Vettel got fined $50,000 in Australia and the only harsher penalty is a race ban.
It also mentions that race control ordered Vettel into the pits over the radio to the team, but they did not ask Renault to do that in Hungary...
Didn't he do that last year? Wasn't Keith the Marshall there?
I believe so.
Here's something for you all to check out. It's quite a long video at 8 minutes but you won't regret it. Ona a Ukranian talent show, a woman retells the story of Ukraine in WW2 by using sand. It sounds bizarre, I know, but it is absolutely incredible, and so very moving. This is a real talent without a doub.
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2009/08/ukraines-got-real-talent.html
I just read a WW2 book about Eastern Europe so I understand what you mean... I'll watch that later :)
WOW.
I appear to have accidentaly applied for a job in Northumbria.
I have googled its location and this is clearly a big oops
Is it a good job though?
Hey!
Not quite THAT good :D
:P Too scary up there for me!
I have scared myself so much i have started looking at university courses in australia...
We're not that scary. Are we?
I dont think i would be comfortable being that far away from the rest of the world :P
this contrasts greatly with
:D
Ya... well... umm... I like the weather?
:P
But the weather is nice and cool up here.
Amy I dont suppose you know anything about doing a postgraduate course to convert a normal degree into a legal one?
Haha, its cool enough down here thanks!
normal degrees are illegal?
Ferrari logic.
hehe.. a law degree!
the only one I know of here is http://jd.law.unimelb.edu.au/
ooh i found one ...3 years! this sounds like lots of drinking!
ah thanks, i had been looking for about 20 mins and couldnt find anything! :D
sticking to the spirit of education?
Hehehe. I just got to the bit in the show where Mr C doesn't understand the word astronomical. :)
it's a big word.
I have edited it slightly to make you seem less stoopid ;)
it's far to late for that.
How loud is 84.1 decibels?
about the volume of a hoover.
whaaaaaaaaaat. That's rubbish!!
sorry - about the volume of a 'henry' (other makes are available).
literally, yes.
why?
Teignmouth Today has confirmed that Muse will indeed be playing gigs on 4th/5th Septemeber for the first time in their hometown in 10 years with the provision the gigs don't exceed 84.1 decibels.
What a stupid request for a gig, grr. I know they'll go over it anyways and just be fined but still!!
It probably means no amps and drumming with brushes
depends. that may be the volume outside the venue? in which case the walls will absorb some of that.
here's a rough guide
Ahh, that's a good point. I can't find anything yet on the actual venue mind you so I guess I'll wait and see for that.
Not that I'm gonna be able to go :(
I talked to an architect who was in charge of building a new stadium and he told me on the day of the noise measurement level across the other side of the valley, the wind blew the wrong way and they had to spend millions making it more noise-proof!
I HATE this website.
Sorry...Rant over...
In fact i am most annoyed with websites. I think the whole concept should be replaced. #MFC
i done found a flaw with mediafuturechange. the name is too long for a twitter account.
mediafuturefail or twitterfail?
We should go backwards in technology and send websites through the post. Instead of faster broadbands speeds, we could have faster delivery speeds. The doohickey could be a piece of paper sent out between followers. It's pure genius, a business ideas the royal mail are simply missing out on.
Maybe both?
How about
@MFC @MediaFC @MFChange @####
bet @mfc is gone
that could be about a whole other sport... and we promised rg ;)
:D
On the subject of Media Future Change... The pub that we... walked past... at lunch time had this on their bar:
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/photo-191
Pubs on twitter... whatever next
"Where are our twittering tweeters??! Come out of the rain and come see us! Say special password "MIGHTY" to Lucy & receive your free pint!!"
that sir, is destiny calling.
A recent update from it...
"Char Grilled minted lamb steak and green beans on special today. I had it yesterday scrumptious!!"
I think it's against me :)
hahah!
Warning fail.
*MIDLAND football fans have been issued with a World Cup warning: misbehave or you’ll miss the tournament.
Urm... they might wanna re-write that.
Oops!!
Been quite delayed listening to the rebroadcast of live show last night... Now listening again... Loved the Jon Waldock bit.
Afternoon all
Afternoon.
Have you been broadcasting live today?
Not yet... I've just done something for Sidepodradio though.
Renault should be banned as it is entirely unacceptable to ignore safety procedures to try to get results. That kind of cowboy behaviour has to be stamped on hard. I love the following quote from the Renault lawyer in autosport's article .
Maybe it is just me but a mechanic lifting his hand to say the car can be released when he knows there is a problem is the conscious wrongdoing. The idea that no-one on the pitwall knew there was a problem when Martin Brundle picked up on a problem while the guy was trying to tighten the nut.
I think Renault are being let off very lightly.
That's good. My sidepodspace show is coming together nicely. I think I have enough material to fill the slot and I know the answer to the questions how many elephants does the sky wigh and was there ever a major Tom in space.
I've hardly done anything yet... Except that I've done a bit of planning. And tonight I'm going to do some actual doing.
You sound too much like the FIA Stewards you love to hate Steven.
Then if you have to crucify someone for making a mistake, punish the mechanic who made the error - not the whole team.
I think you have failed to see that this is something that has happened before without ban or punishment. Remember Raikkonen in France in 2008? A hot piece of exhaust the same size, shape and weight of the spring was allowed to dangle off the car and fly free - with no penalty.
Then there's Vettel in Australia - who did not come into the pits even when Race Control instructed the team to make him do so. They didn't do this for Renault in Hungary...
All of this is to crucify a team owner who Max hates and get Alonso into a Ferrari for his home GP... There would be no grounds for any kind of ban had it not happened in the week after Surtees and Massa.
Renault won their appeal. Unsurprising.
agreed, 100%.
however, those things did happen.
yay!
Oops, linky.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77736
Fined $50,000 instead.
that'll please ghosn!
I want to go for an extra line in between this...
I think that Steven is right these things should be punished hard.
However the inconsistency is terrible.
It shouldn't be impossible to ever change the way that things are enforced.
So how to deal with this? This often happens actually that you want to make an example but it's unfair. The way to do this is to say, "this behavior will from now on get a ban, but because we have only just decided that - you will get a suspended ban this time".
Yep, they did. But that shouldn't have forced the stewards into a heavy-handed action and it did nothing to improve the safety of the sport - instead, F1 looks stupid and corrupt again :(
I think Steven has been utterly consistant for years on this point. Which is totally unlike the Stewards.
It will be interesting to see how having done all this before changes your approach
sure it would. people like to see stuff happening, even if it's pointless and wrong stuff.
ignoring the situation would have seen f1/fia get it in the neck for not taking safety seriously. we know it's nuts, but that's the way it is.
Quite considerably I would say...
It doesn't make what they did right though does it?
Safety is top priority and deliberately flouting safety rules to try to get results should be hammered. People have had season long bans for breaking technical rules.
How do you punish a mechanic? If a diver makes a mistake and crashes the car the team suffers. If the refueler screws up and the car stops the team suffer. All for 1 and 1 for all works both ways. If the mechanic does a good job at a pit stop is it fair that the team succeeds or should the win be just his success?
I know it has happened before and it was wrong then. Raikkonen actually made a scheduled pit stop and Ferrari chose not to deal with th problem then. We cannot continue to accept blatant breaches of the safety regs. We can't go back to the bad old days where nothing happened till someone died.
The idea that Alonso was ever going to race for Ferrari this season is fantasy. It cannot possibly hapen. Regardless of the two incidents there would be grounds for a ban but the FIA may not have banned them. Unfortunately prevailing circumstances have to be considered. Imagine if they had given them a token punishment and a similar incident happened in Valencia with Renault or someone else. The FIA would have been slaughtered and F1 would have been dragged through the gutter.
Has Scott Woodwiss indicated when and how we are pre-recording the Sim Racing Radio show yet?
Utterly predictable
not really, no. but the stewards avoided accusations of not acting in the interests of safety, and the appeal overturned their decision to exclude the team once everyone had forgotten what happened 3 or 4 weeks ago.
spanish ticket holders are happy, the fia are richer, the event organisers are happy too.
probably money changed hands behind the scenes, so some people have fatter wallets. we're none the wiser about the regs or what should happen next time, but maybe the transparent fia will let us know in due course.
probably worth asking when he's around.
That is utterly pathetic. If you are a team boss what instructions do you give a mechanic now if he thinks the nut is tight but he can't get the safety to engage knowing that the penalty is a 50K fine? Is the gamble on a race win worth writing a cheque for 50K? You bet it is.
OK fair enough, although I disagree on the ban and the circumstances that led to it you and Mr. C. have some very fair points on the matter - but hasn't F1 been dragged through the gutter anyway now? Like I said this morning, the FIA has put F1 in a lose-lose situation and only made the sport look worse yet again!
your wheel will fall off and you'll drop from first place to last?
It might be too late for that - unless we hear about a rush for tickets I fear most may be unable to make plans at such short notice...
The trouble is as long as Max is in power he will never hace specific penalties for specific offences
They decided the result today?
I already did F1 Minute.
Gah.
Roge-o. Wondered if you'd heard anything?
It surely would stop a mechanic in future releasing a car he knew was not safe and it would stop his boss telling him to do it.
Ah, it's your fault then? Didn't you make Debrief show notes just before they were banned?
In all fairness, this decision is a lot quiicker than expected and it's quicker than the usual process too...
No
It's so annoying! Maybe I won't bother doing a Digest Preview because they'll probably decide to race on Thursday instead and make it all nonsense anyway.
Imagine the press since the last race if they had not banned Renault. Every paper, news channel and website would have been full of pictures of Surtees, Massa and the Alonso incident. Now all they have done is bury the news that there is no ban.
The wheel nut would hold the wheel on as it did before there was a locking device. The problem Renault had was that the safety would not engage because the nut was not properly tightened due to the stupid illegal aerodynamic device coming loose.
Clearly Valencia still has a lot of tickets to sell
Afternoon all....a question to sidepodpeople...
why do people bother penalising teams if they get over turned in the courts?
Because f1 is run by, using the official term, silly billies.
Indeed, it just makes a whole mockery of 'justice' and punishing people
I think F1 needs to decide if commercial coniderations come into the frame when it makes judgements.
The sport does exist to put on a show. I dont mind if this is a factored into punishments. but if so it needs to be done consistently. Such random punishments and decisions do nobody any good.
I like BBCF1's choice of picture
Although I bet the website editor definitely had a miserable Alonso pic at the ready just in case ;)
To me there are two ways of looking at F1. Either it is an entertainment put on for the benefit of the audience and therefore utterly fake. If e go down that route they may as well bring in rules that says the drivers have to slide the cars through corners and do a donit on every lap.
The alternative is that it is a sport which we observe and the sport takes priority regardless of the effect on the audience or the business.
For me it is a sport and if Bernie is stupid enough to put a second race in Spain which has a long history of empty grandstands before Alonso turned up then it is tough if for whatever reason Alonso is not there. Like with Schumacher recently if people buy tickets only to see one driver then that is their problem if he is not there.
Which goes back to the FIA allowing the bin lids in the first place :(
Spain only cares when Alonso wins - so it was a daft idea to have a race so far away from his home region and practical suicide not to allow him to race there...
I'm not sure what it has to do with it, but i remember someone saying that the axles thread are done so that if such a thing happens then it should get tightened not undone....i.e left hand thread and right hand thread!
Yay Happylonso is back :D
A little something for sidepodcast from lou... :D
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Which goes back to the deal with Ferrari. They were declared not to be aerodynamic devices the same season that Renault's mass damper was declared to be an aerodynamic device. No doubt as part of Ferrari's veto.
That would be ideal.
What i would like to have seen is Renault banned for a race, but common sense allowing them to wait until monza to serve it.
We heart Lou!
Hehehe, i hope she's having a good time... i could do with a dip in a sunsoaked pool right now!
They tried several tracks over the years before Barcelona and only Montjuich drew a crowd. Unfortunaltely the teams ended up trying to intall the armco barriers because they had not been done properly, In that race Rolf Stommelen went straight through a barrier and a bunch of fans were killed.
For years at Valencia we used to have races with almost no-one there because Spain was only interested in motor bike racing.
If you look at the cars you will see that on one side thay have red wheel nuts and on the other it's either green or blue. This is to stop the action of the wheels from lossening the nuts. If the nut is not properly tightened in the first place this won't make any difference.
Looks like she is having fun
Righteo, time to go to a meal and have some yummy food to celebrate my brothers birthday. :)
Byee!
Why is it commonsense not to ban them from Valencia?
Bye Lukeh
Because motorsport is intrinsically commercial, and it doesn't make any sense to make decisions which are commercially damaging.
Unlike football where you can play with jumpers for goalposts, motorsport needs to make money to exist.
That's not a fair argument - it's like saying Rooney gets a ban for a red card but he can play against Arsenal next week and then take the ban?
Supposing Valencia was the last race of the season. What takes priority commercial or sporting? If that is the case at the end of the season why not in the middle? Supposing Alonso's car was great at Monza and hopeless at Valencia would it be fair to everyone else to move the ban? If the ban had been swapped to Monza are teams in future allowed to choose when they serve a ban?
Well thats not 100% true, it depends, if its on but just not tight enough then it will make a difference, but if its not correctly threaded on, i.e at an angle, then you are right in saying it wont make a difference
I have to agree with Gavin, commercial reasons cant be factored in, it makes a joke of it all
In the Renault case the problem was that the nut was tightened against the aero thing and when it moved the nut was effectively loose. So it was tthreaded correctly but it was not even in contact with the wheel or the aero part.
Exactly. A ban is a ban. Except in F1, who seem to have a knack of always navigating into a sh-storm every time a decision needs to be made!
I am not saying the teams should be abe to choose where they serve the ban, just that somone at the FIA should look at the applications of punishments from a neutal perspective, and decide how punishments should be applied IF commercial considerations are to be taken into account, as they appear to have been in this situation.
For example they would see that Valencia it is important to have the national f1 hero racing and suspend the ban to Spa. At spa they would see that this is effectively Renaults home race with the French GP not being on the calendar, as well as being the most local GP for their main sponsor IMG.
I am all for a straitforward neutral decision is final thing if that were the case. But the lack of transparency and muddled decision's at the moment would surely benefit by being fairer and more open
i don't really see this as a storm though?
- news: renault banned from next race
- news: renault to appeal
- news: renault win appeal
who's angry? i was only annoyed for about 20 minutes and then we did a debrief and by the end of it i was happy again. if the appeal had been upheld, i would've felt that harsh, but in the end it seems to me f1 came through this quite well.
Its not really the same thing at all, i am saying punishments should be delt out in context, not that teams should pick and choose when they sere their bans
says who though? we assume they may have been, but we're a cynical bunch.
i would say, that it's a shame valencia felt the need to speak out. at all.
it really is none of their business.
:P OK, maybe not in this situation, but for example banning McLaren from scoring points but letting Alonso and Hamilton battle it out for the championship...
They shouldnt have been allowed to. They should be reprimanded over that and for trying to give eyebrows 2.0 the Ferrari drive
fair point. that was a good decision for the sport and the fans. so i agree.
well it kinda is....especially the business bit, if 'nando didnt race they'd have empty grandstands. but i agree that they have no place commenting on appeal procedure
But we have had weeks of rumours, gossip and speculation on the matter, and none of it has been good for the sport...
I wonder how many people will say that the ban got overturned so Alonso could race at home? Lots of people think the sport is a fix and this will not exactly convince them otherwise...
I am going to try and go live from London now on qik. Let me know if you can see anything.
The current FIA administration has made a complete mess of discipline issues. To me the best way i to say any ban starts immediately. If Renault were desperate to be at Valencia they should not break the rules at the previous race.
that wasn't their aim? max said the drivers were free to go wherever and this only affected the team from the start.
they just wanted him there. it was wrong, but they had no intention of getting him into a ferrari. ever.
yay!
I am because safety has been subordinated for commercial reasons and that is utterly unacceptable. Max is supposedly the great safety guru and yet stuff like this is still happening.
I meant Gene ;)
This car is weird ... it has a butt on it's head!
You are saying circuits should choose. Valencia should be allowed to insist that Alonso races there.
they have a poor business plan and will one day suffer massive losses. it's only a matter of time. he can't win every race and every championship and one day he'll fancy a go at rallying or something.
True, but its not just Renault, its the circuit owner in Valencia, the fans who had bought tickets and people wanting to watch a guy race in his home race on tv who get punished as well.
This way Renault still get punished but its commercially less damaging
If commercial considerations were not taken into account why has a race ban been changed to an irrelevant fine? Either commercial considerations were involved or the stewards missed important information again.
That was totally wrong. Drivers and teams should never be separated.
and one day they'll realise its a stupid stupid race. booooo
I am saying The FIA should be able to take commercial considerations into account without compromising their authority. At the moment they have no choice but to either ban them from Valencia or let them off with a small fine.
If they had a system to decide where bans were served we might have had a better decision
Anyone see anything?
I left a comment on Joe's blog the day Schumacher announced his comeback was off saying that it was a certainty now that this ban would be drpped. You have to wonder ifthe whole Schumacher thing was a smokescreen
because i believe the stewards were reacting to cover their arses after the previous two incidents in successive race weekends.
i don't think it was a just or correct penalty in the first place. if no-one was injured in previous races, nothing would have happened.
also, don't forget ben the renault crashing steward was present.
I saw you sideways, forgot to put the audio on! give it another go!
i heard a "hello", but nothing after that.
it's still uploading.
No they shouldnt!! They can insist all they want, but they shouldnt be allowed to have any control over anything that isnt in their control!
I think it was, but to cover BMW's exit, not this
new phone of wifi access?
i'll write that again...
do you have a new phone, or how are you streaming?
aha. it's working now, but the phone is sideways...
He seems to have the iphone in his other hand?
I think answering that question may lead me to perjure myself.
understood. carry on.
Did you say that in a robot voice?
Who in the FIA are going to decide this and what other factors can they consider? Do you think this will be fairer or to more accusations of rigging things? For me no good can possibly come of this. It is another step down the line of F1 beccoming and entertainment rather than a sport.
ah okay.
Should I select 3 or 3 mms as a connection?
hold on. you're walking down the road with two phones?
uumm. not a clue. where's that option?
Just replayed Giggles's video and it ran a lot longer this time
yes. And a sign saying, "I'm destracted, mug me" ;)
:P
I have to get on a tube now. So the rest won't upload for a while I'm afraid.
no worries.
i love that everyday is a new surprise :)
At the begining of the year the teams should send a list to the FIA with 3 or 4 races it was important for them not to miss with a clear and valid case for it being there (apart from the last race) ranked in order. For example could say: Monza (home race) Brazil (Driver's home race) Abu Dhabi (Major Sponsor/Investor)
I can see him wearing a harness in the near future with half a dozen phones all pointing at him for different directions
eh? that's silly.
So supposinf the last four races are their most important and they get a three race ban the week before the first of those?
OK, but i still think its better than the current system.
Also it doesn't really matter to Renault whether or not they are at this race. The people with the big problem are the circuit promoters
I have no idea, the FIA would have to decide. But i cant see how pretending commercial considerations have no impact when they clearly do
i don't at all sadly.
i'm fine with an appeal court saying - "taking drivers points away would make a ridicule of the sport and the fans what else can we do to ensure this doesn't happen again?"
but what you're suggesting is crazy. what if str said france is key and then sacked bourdais so suddenly spain became key?
Yeah that is right. It would have to be done with the court deciding which races bans are served at...
That bit is crazy.
Neutarl referee to decide if a ban's implimentation is inappropriate.
I am sayin F1 is a sport and sporting factors should take priority. Someone mentioned Wayne Rooney before and it was a valid example. Football clubsare not and should never be allowed to say when their star players are banned. There are massive commercial implications for football clubs if they lose a couple of star players from important games but sporting factors must always take priority or we may as well turn F1 into drifting with style points for the best donut display.
There is a massive difference between the 2. The equivelent for that example would f1 teams being able to choose where the ban is served because the weather report was bad and they dont think they will do well in the wet. Or avoiding tracks their drivers dont do well at..
I am saying the people awarding the ban should use common sense to implement it, instead of having to choose between letting someone off or damaging the sport.
PK may have discovered live streaming...
That's not a fair argument either Gavin. In Soccor, if the most important player for Arsenal is banned from the next home game, then Arsenal will suffer a drop of revenue for that one game. There are all the other home games for Arsenal to make money from. If he is banned for the next away game - Well hopefully Glasgow Rangers will host Aresnal a second time, as an example.
Now Valenica. A stupid circuit in a stupid city, in only its second year of existance. If Alsono is banned, it is not like Alsonso is going to return that season for another race right? It is not like NASCAR where both the Pepsi 400 and Daytona 500 are held at the same track circuit of Daytona..... The race organizers have the one shot to make money.
People with common sense in the FIA? I am sorry but I have been watching this sport for decades and had no idea such a peron existed.
I think he said it was Pizzonia
No I'm sorry I disagree. Both cases are about a team transgression. Especially the Renault case - why should Alonso be punished? Did he put the wheel nut on wrongly?
PK may have discovered live streaming... http://camtweet.com/s/9c8acec
doohicky hates the link i will try again http://camtweet.com/s/9c8acec
Fair enough - I was trying to make an analogy with a key player missing an important event and subsequent loss of revenue and team strength - have you got a better one?
can you have multiple linked gmail addresses?
Can I just say that this Renault discussion is why I love Sidepodcast ;)
This is perhaps the biggest problem...
Valencia chose to stage a race to cash in on Alonso. That is their problem. There was alwats an element of risk that he could get banned or injured or killed or decide to be an astronaut. If they haven't budgeted for that or taken out insurance against that then that is their problem. The sport should never be corrupted to cope with commercial incompetence.
Arsenal and Rangers are not in the same league so they won't pkay each other apart from freindly matches. No football club looses money from players being missing becaase players are missing. Where it makes a diference is if they the loss of one or more of their top players costs them a result in an important match. For example they can be defeated in a European match and drop £10 million easily as a result.
#468 - Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said:
Why is it commonsense not to ban them from Valencia?
Because motorsport is intrinsically commercial, and it doesn’t make any sense to make decisions which are commercially damaging.
Unlike football where you can play with jumpers for goalposts, motorsport needs to make money to exist.
That’s not a fair argument – it’s like saying Rooney gets a ban for a red card but he can play against Arsenal next week and then take the ban?
That’s not a fair argument either Gavin. In Soccor, if the most important player for Arsenal is banned from the next home game, then Arsenal will suffer a drop of revenue for that one game. There are all the other home games for Arsenal to make money from. If he is banned for the next away game – Well hopefully Glasgow Rangers will host Aresnal a second time, as an example.
Now Valenica. A stupid circuit in a stupid city, in only its second year of existance. If Alsono is banned, it is not like Alsonso is going to return that season for another race right? It is not like NASCAR where both the Pepsi 400 and Daytona 500 are held at the same track circuit of Daytona….. The race organizers have the one shot to make money.
Fair enough – I was trying to make an analogy with a key player missing an important event and subsequent loss of revenue and team strength – have you got a better one?
wha?
It's Pizzonia isn't it?
If the team builds a good car and comes up with great strategies and does great pit stop why should Alonso be world champion? Same thing. The driver and the team are one and th same and should never be separated when it comes to scoring.
It was just pizzonia touring his house...
"Sorry, we're experiencing some technical difficulties right now. (code 400)"
It is another reason not to een consider giving them more power.
Code 400 sounds scary... id run!
he appears to have stolen a bmw steering wheel.
Sensible guy, he left the rubbish bits behind :P
im watching the btcc replay...the bmw's crashed offf....is the steering wheel for a touring car?
ahh, it's a williams one, sorry. he used to be a test driver, right?
Is code 400 the one where everyone punches the nearest South African? Hang on was that not command 99?
Yes
Hey, everyone. :D
So Renault will race this weekend? Figures. Has Grosjean been announced, then? Or will they leave that for tomorrow?
i think pizzonia just said there's a vodka button on the wheel for kimi?
Does he have a superlicence or the qaulifications for one?
No, but I was highlight the point that appears to be lost on everyone that Unless F1 is run solely at race tracks owned by Bernie or Max, we can expect to punish drivers at their home races and not expect these circuit to go belly up. Since 1978 Montreal has been milking the Villeneuve name and given Villeneuve status in F1 it is not surprizing that it is always a sold out event.....
Now I think Bernie owns the Hungaroring, so if we had all F1 races there, we might be able have consistant bans on drivers and teams as there would be no siginicant loss on revenue to the circuit as he could fall back on his TV deals....
Do you think all F1 races at Hungary would be interesting?
Tryin to keep up with the long comments so I may be repeating something somebody said earlier. But in football (soccer) if you get a red card you miss the next three games. if you want to appeal a red card then the appeal will automatically be in 10 days from the incident. So clubs will always appeal if their star players because the 3 game ban cannot start until the appeal is decided.
Hi Journeyer. No Grosjean announcement yet as far as I know
He defitiely qualifies for one but I don't know how much F1 running he has.
When did they change that rule? I thought it was only the next game?
Dosent seem to make a difference with super licence giving
It depends on the offence technically. A ban takes place a week after, so if you get suspended on a Sunday, you can still play in a Wednesday match. In theory, also the Saturday match. But the ban starts on the Sunday.
Then the FA has the option to cancel the suspension, keep it, or increase it say if it was a ridiculous challenge etc.
And back to lurking.
That is only for two yellow cards or getting 5 yellow cards in a season.
ah ok, theres my thinking :)
That is totally wrong. If Hamilton was banned from Silverstone the stands would still be pretty much filled. Same if Button was banned. That is because there is a history and love of the sport so that it attracted big crowds in the years when there was not a competitive home driver.
If people decide to host races based on the presence of one driver and don't take insurance out against the possibility of him being there then that is their problem. Races should not be going to countries like Spain with a history of putting on races in front of empty grandstands. The Valencia race is run by the city of Valencia and it will make no difference whatever to them if Alonso is not there. They won't even see a dip in the city's budget.
Well we discovered that even if he doesn't the FIA can allow him to if they feel like it...
Yes, Alonso should be World Champion. The reason being that PK, jr screwed up massively on a top notch car and was unable to bring home enough points to land the Constructor's Championship that you omitted.
If Alonso and PK did their jobs well ==> like as Senna and Prost, or Mansell and Patrese, the team would pick up the Constructor's Championship that you obviously omitted by less than half way into the season and at that point the team does not care who becomes the Driver's Champ becasue it is going to be one or their two drivers anyway.....
The Driver's Championship should not be worth the amount of metal used to create it that the team should not give a Rat's --- that one of their driver's smashes into the other guy to get it. Once a whinner moves to another team (Ferrari) then by all mean the Owner should blame the whinner for wrecking both cars...
It varies depending where in the world you are.
#499 - Steven Roy said:
No, but I was highlight the point that appears to be lost on everyone that Unless F1 is run solely at race tracks owned by Bernie or Max, we can expect to punish drivers at their home races and not expect these circuit to go belly up. Since 1978 Montreal has been milking the Villeneuve name and given Villeneuve status in F1 it is not surprizing that it is always a sold out event…..
That is totally wrong. If Hamilton was banned from Silverstone the stands would still be pretty much filled. Same if Button was banned. That is because there is a history and love of the sport so that it attracted big crowds in the years when there was not a competitive home driver.
If people decide to host races based on the presence of one driver and don’t take insurance out against the possibility of him being there then that is their problem. Races should not be going to countries like Spain with a history of putting on races in front of empty grandstands. The Valencia race is run by the city of Valencia and it will make no difference whatever to them if Alonso is not there. They won’t even see a dip in the city’s budget.
Given that it lonly took the British 30 years to develop decent drivers the Spanish are doing a remarkable job, Steven. Back in the 30's I am sure it made perfect sence to Abondon England and set up more races in Italy and Germany...
Hang on ... in that case Bernie gets punished in the pocket, something he mortally avoids like the plague!
I'm sorry you've completely lost me?
What??? Alonso is driving the nuts off the car ... literally! OK Piquet is pants, but you can't blame Alonso for the fact that the car is awful!
I think people only care about the drivers - only the Manufacturers give the rats bum about boasting how they won the constructors championship...
That comment was in reply to mine earlier. Jordan said that Alonso should not suffer because the team made a mistake and I said in that case he should not be world champion if the team does a great job by giving him a great car etc.
well. he considers himself a good development driver.
so, yeah you can.
But you can only polish a turd so much!
Maybe - I must confess Jordan's comment is a little confusing...
2 wins and helping Mclaren back to their winning ways in 2007. I'm not a fan of Alonso, but I have to admit he's good.
not true.
i present to you the MP4-24. i thank you.
I meant last year, in that terrible car.
it was awful, and they have shown signs of doing something similar this year. if the car isn't good, the driver needs to share some of the blame.
step up kimi.
I thought you liked Alonso?
I don't think Lewis can take the credit for developing the car when there is a testing ban though can you?
The point is, the Renault is awful - and there is not much a driver can do apart from making the best of what he has... And I think if you look at the gap between the two drivers, he is.
Just like rotten Tuna by moonlight, it shines and stinks !
Disagree. The designer makes the car and the team make the best of developing what they have.
Without testing, how can the driver help as much as he used to?
what difference does that make? you said you can't blame him, i say you can.
yup. every bit of feedback he and kovi give, goes towards making that car faster.
i'm not saying he isn't. i'm just saying he's as much responsible as the people in the factory.
every lap and every turn of the wheel from friday to sunday.
in fact i'd go further and say drivers who can develop cars are more important than ever before, given the limited running this year.
Funnily enough earlier in the season Alonso's fans were saying the reason the McLarenwas awful was because Lewis had relied on Alonso to be the development driver. I assume they now beliee that Hamilton is now the better development driver.
i do.
They have been testing all sorts of bits a races
I have no idea which is better. What we do know is that Lewis has given good enough feedback to help turn the car around.
although i should add, i think kovi is good in this respect too. whereas piquet isn't good at anything, least of all car development. therefore mclaren have a better chance of improving things.
How can you run a test session during a race weekend? All the driver can say is 'better' or 'worse' can't he?
But it seems to have been in a hit or miss style?
If the team can give you a car that can assure you World Championship status. Not unlikely as this has been before - Then it is still up to the driver to drive it. Witness Senna vs Prost in the McLaren, Fangio vs Moss in the Mercedes, Hill and Villeneuve at Williams, to the ultimate mismatch between drivers - Mansell vs. Patrese at Williams. In the Constructors, the cars kicked butt to the poin that the season was just half over and you knew who had the best car. Now only Mansell was able to beat Patrese by half way through the season, the other cases the drivers went down to the wire. So yes, you can have the best car in F1, but you still have to beat your teammate to be Champion. So in Prost's, Moss', Villeneuve's and Patrese's caes, where did the team go wrong ? The team gave them great cars but they did not become world champions that year. So the driver's should not be banned when the team makes amassive screw up.
worked a treat though.
Check the qik
That's not how I thought testing worked?
if ian phillips ever stops talking over the radio, you'll hear the feedback the give.
he's on the eye!!
Like when Jenson just said "I can't get heat into the tyres" and stuff like that?
He can do anything that can be done during a test just not as much of it. He can say that the new pieces hav had a list of effects and if combined with previous pieces or new pieces or if modified in a specific way they would be better
am confused then. what did you think?
they've been chucking parts at all the problem areas and solving them simultaneously.
After that McLaren MP4-18 disater, what are the odds that McLaren built an entirly new car but just kept the modle number of the old car so it looks like nothing has been doen at all?
Remember that was McLaren that was never entered into a race as it was worse than the MP4-17B?
more the bits back in the garage, when they're discussing how new parts are working.
You see I never get to hear that because I'm at work - might have to tape it off the telly here next time then.
My point is if the team do a great job the driver benefits and if they break the rules the driver suffers. All for one and one for all. You only want one half of that to apply and the other half not to.
alex. you don't look too comfortable up there.
can you show us london?
I thought testing was done like an experiment - where you methodically test one piece at a time?
I'm still on the eye as it goes. There appears to have been a small delay.
What next? Id he going to fly with the Red Arrows?
ahh. not necessarily. there was a big debate here ages ago and plenty of arguments were put forward that suggest some kind of chaos is a more productive way to go about development.
i'll try and find the links. either way methodical testing went out of the window and chucking things at the car appears to be paying off.
you don't thing the car just got faster by coincidence, surely?
Sneak into an F1 factory?
:D
there were a lot of people looking at me! It's still catching up!
w00t! can we see more?
I just thought a test was conducted like a lab experiment where the golden rule is "Only change one Variable at a time"?
no. quite the opposite. i thought that, maybe in 2008 and was promptly corrected.
looks like nick got qik working:
http://www.qik.com/video/2564527
i have no idea what it's showing though?
We also thought that about changing regulations. Apparently not so.
Really. Very interesting. If anybody has those links I'd love to read them...
have recorded more not a great signal. Lots recorded for background on music videos for giggles radio
:D
You can regularly hear dribers giving a whole list of feedback especially during Friday practise. They will talk about understeer in the entry to low speed corners becoming neutral then oversteer and the car bottoming out at the front at one corner. They quite regularly gie a list of about 10 points after each run befre the radio is cut and the engineer starts asking specific questions.
nice one. the picture quality is amazing!
Anything you particularly want me to do?
I guess it shows how much better they are than telemetry eh?
could you get the other passengers to say "hello giggles"?
Evenin'
That is rarely done anywhere nowadays due to Tagguchi and Design of Experiment. What is generally done is a grid of tests can be calculated and anysis of the grid tells you which individula factors are having what effect. So you can make several tests of mutiple changes and the analysis will give you a good estimate of the optimum.
I'll have to look that one up...
That rarely happens in labs nowadays
I didn't get that until we were off sorry. Not sure any of my fellow passengers were strong English speakers.
ahh. what's your plan now?
It's a combination. It is easy to underestimate the feedback they can give though. As an example I remember when Top Gear got hold of the Koenigsegg which had clearlt had a lot of money spent on it to get the fesign right to be stable at speed for normal drivers. The Stig took it out to srt a lap time and lost it. He told them that if they put a wing on the nack it would go round the track 4 seconds faster. They went a way talked to him about the design of the wind and when they went back the time improved by close to four seconds.
Bear in mind that a road car doesn't give anything close to the feedback to a driver that a race car does.
It;s been around since the 80s if not earlier. Lots of statistics involved
that would be telling. I'm really here for a price for Giggles radio.
About to do something else for you on qik. Lets see if this works.
who would pay for sky, really?
your camera is sideways :)
His camera is always sideways
:D
Giggles goes all the way to Big Ben and you can't be bothered to tilt your head?
true.
london looks gorgeous this evening.
did i miss this update from aitch?
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/last-nights-survivors-jpg
Evening everyone, great debate tonight. Watching the live streaming but all I'm seeing is buffering at the moment & a sideways picture of County Hall.
i have the same :)
i think he's going to walk up some steps... sideways.
Hi Janna
OK I'm reading up on this but I don't understand how they can make an array that would show an improvement on an F1 car? Any ideas?
these videos are now fully uploaded:
http://www.qik.com/video/2566258
http://www.qik.com/video/2566443
apparently he didn't walk up the stairs:
http://www.qik.com/video/2566550
:)
streaming is catching up now.
They're really good quality, I think the sunshine helps :lol:
They could do something along the lines of havin the front and rear wings set at three different leves, the useless flappy thing on the front wing set at noth extremes of its range and add it a couple of changes of ride height and a shark fin or not.
I assume all the aero work they do in a wind tunnel is donethis way.
he picked a brilliant day for it.
Maybe Giggles fixed the weather
think he's now on the millennium bridge?
:P
And from the range of values tested they figure out the effect of each and from that the optimum?
This is probably a stupid question, but if they test a number of things all at once and there's a problem, how do they know which of the things caused it? If it's the combination you could reconfigure but if it's one piece causing all the problems how would you know?
ooh, we're off back into london!
And if the team screw up legally the driver suffers. Witness the BRM H-16. If JYS retired F1 after his year driving his BRM H-16 even you would have called him hopeless. Fortuneatly JYS stayed in F1 and went to what became Tyrrell.
Then there's that Alesi missing front right tyre pit stop disater. Nothing illegal about it. Just the one tire was missing when Alesi cam into the pits. Could not figure out what was going on after three seconds as I was on the floor laughing. Alesi suffered.
Now for drivers doing illegal activites. Hey, Bertrand Gachot, did Jordan suffer when you got charged for assult? No, they just hired a German No-body - some Mike guy that makes shoes for a living....
Yup $150,000 from Mercedes Benz to give Schuie a try while Gachot in the Bighouse, real suffering for Jordan that...
So when the driver does something illegal which does not happen much, the team does not suffer, it opens a replacment slot. Like you said Steven, all for one, and so Alsono should race elsewhere for REnault's mistake.
Lukeh posted this earlier. It is incredible.
It really is too - loved it!
As a sidenote, has that Internet Squirrelly Squirrel been discovered either reading or reading whatever is on the back of Page 22 of F1 magazine that has me's photo of the Mclaren test, yet?
Pretty much. If it has been designed properly you can end up with something very close to the ideal. So instead of adding on a front wing and running through all the options with that before you add the rear wing and repeat you have saved a huge percentage of time. Of course F1 being F1 it's a moving target you are aiming for so hitting the ideal regardlees how goof the design is will be unlikely but you will be a lot closer than by only changing one thing at a time.
he's been seen in all sorts of places, but i'm not sure he has a copy...
You get some indication form the results. In the end it omes down to how well the people designing the experiment understand the variables and if they have constructed the grid in a way that will highlighr for example that having the front wing set at maximum stalls the airflow at the sidepods.
walking and talking:
Are yoou suggesting that the team should have been jailed?
Alonso cannot drive for another team. His sponsors would go ballistic
QIk is a great idea but poorly implemented. It needs to be able to check the available upload speeds available to it then ajust the quality of the video accordingly.
i'd agree with that. however, the current implementation offers really good quality video after the fact.
i suspect uk 3g might not be as good as US 3g?
I would have hated to be the poor data entry clerk wh had to type in all the initial data for the program to calculate and punch out... Remember, some one, some where had to create this program....
I dont know... i read someone in the states complaining that they only had EDGE not 3g. I thought over here the HSDPA version of EDGE was supposed to be quicker than 3g?
and that is probably the biggest flaw with it. Someone has to decide the critical factors and then someone has to type with 100% acuracy.
possibly. it feels as though qik is preset for slightly better bandwidth than we have at our disposal.
however, the only thing that bugs me, is that it loops some of our videos twice :)
The national archive has just released the latest batch of the MOD's UFO sightings file so we can expect alien stories all ove the net for the next couple of weeks.
http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
No. That's what you are suggesting....
No they would not. Alsonso's personal sponours are transfered form overall to overall each time he moves teams. Just like everyone else's personal sponours. The Team's sponours would obviously be different. Witness Lauda's red Paramlet cap or whatever milk company that's on his head all the time... The only other cap you ever saw on Lauda's head was whatever name of tire won him that particular race...
I am not talking about what people do in the sport not outside. If Ross Brawn gets a driving ban for speeding i don't think everyone who works for Brawn should be banned.
The gadget show appear to be giving away the most ridiculous prize ever...
It will be interesting too see how many of those "flying saucer's" where thrown at husband's whoses wives thought they have come home very late from work that night....
Don't all Five shows do that? what are they giving away now?
oh?
What?
bassano will come round and put up your blinds?
it's amazing it's able to do any of it.
I think the camera on this device is better than others we've used before.
The video from tonight has almost killed an entire battery.
The light in London was amazing. Probably should have worked out the orientation before I started.
Still in London. Recording completed for the evening. Now having some dinner.
Literally every piece of tech.
aha, i love those competitions, they make me laugh lots
They do that on every show. Everything they feature in th show is the prize.
I dont think they would have enough shows to cover everything they are giving away... It also includes a shopping trip to seoul
so this is the 3gs?
with a gazzallion pounds spending money?
I am just saying that the driver is screwed. If the driver does anything that is illegal (out or in F1) of F1 then the team is going to find a replacement for him. The team is not punished and migth even find a better driver.
If the team does something legal the driver is punished with the team. The driver should bve allowed to driver for differnt teams like did happen in the old days. I do remember Fangio winning a Driver's Championship using two different cars. So the precident is there, if nothing else.
You can't compare today's F1 to Fangio. Can you imagine Carlos Ghosn sanction his highest paid employee to go give a week's worth of global publicity to FIAT? It will not happen. It is impossible.
Am off now, thanks to Steven for answering my question, I think I understand. Looking forward to more from Alex soon. I tried to explain how great live streaming putting up blinds was to someone at work today & got the blankest look ever - I ended up with "you had to be there"
:)
see ya janna.
it is... Boo hiss... A Nokia. Cheapest 3.5g pay as you go phone on 3 I could find that would also allow tethering.
Outsiders will never understand until they experience it.
Glad my answer helped.
you bought a new phone?
mind if i ask how much?
:) Katherine had the same problem.
With a 10 pound top up it was 99 pounds. Which is expensive obviously. You could have gone for something slightly cheaper.
but 3g not 3.5 and no tethering.
interesting. never thought of that.
does the tethering work on a mac?
It's actually only 2 megapixels. It doesn't say it's number on it anymore.
You are talking to yourself with the 2 phones?
:D :D
not sure. I need it for my pc laptop to be honest. It uses nokia's software. I think it might.
Nokia - connecting Giggles.
does it doohickey?
browser is horrible. What's mobile link?
Whats 3.5? HSDPA?
http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime/mobile
#626 - Steven Roy said:
If the team does something legal the driver is punished with the team. The driver should bve allowed to driver for differnt teams like did happen in the old days. I do remember Fangio winning a Driver’s Championship using two different cars. So the precident is there, if nothing else.
You can’t compare today’s F1 to Fangio. Can you imagine Carlos Ghosn sanction his highest paid employee to go give a week’s worth of global publicity to FIAT? It will not happen. It is impossible.
The precident is there, if nothing else, said. And frankly, if you spin it right, there is enough publicity for companies to be connected to the World Champion for who got most of his points using your products as there is for companies to be connect the World Champion who needed your products to jump over that gap needed for him to be World Champion....
Not that we get these sort of Adverts in North America anyway... but hey, there's a new deal for 2 by 4's at Home Depot sponoured by the #20 Nascar team !
I'll tell you one thing. It's real light.
yeah. which makes qik even more worrying, because the streaming quality wasn't much better than plain old 3 earlier.
That's cute. The dog wnats me to walk him now.... bye.
see ya sir.
I wasn't exactly giving it ideal conditions either though. I was on and off of tubes etc up real high.
My guess is the processer isn't up to much. Fine for tethering, not so much for qik.
I managed to survive last night's festivities and I don't have a hangover. Now I need some food, there doesn't seem to be much in the fridge so maybe another beer is in order:) or maybe not.
ahh, interesting. a lot of the time i could hear you, but not see you.
well thy might work. That phone doesn't have a modern browser. So no real doohicky. However mobile looked like it was working and then battery died.
you have that problem a lot :)
Bye Jordan
How can you not have a hangover. You promised you would.
Mr C, just been listening to debrief and i has a question....a while back you said that if Todt gets in then the new thing will take over, however...the new thing seems awesome, so what happens if he dosent?
This points to a lack of motivation!
not sure i understand the question. you mean, if ari wins what happens to MFC?
yarrr
gotya. mfc is going ahead regardless. christine's working very hard on it as i type, whilst i... ummm... am not so much.
the plan is for the new spc site design to be generic enough that it will be the same codebase for spc and mfc. so i sort of am doing things.
either way, we're doing a new media podcast, if only because giggles needs one :)
cooolios :)
Your still going if todt wins :(
I would love Ari to win but at the moment i cant see how it can happen...
glad you like the new thing though.
Goal number one achieved - no longer need to sign in for commenting.
Stranger things have happened in the FIA.
? disppeared
annoyingly the little frenchman has slightly confused matters by talking sense and actually having good ideas.
this was not expected.
honestly, though i'm not even thinking about it right now. f1 has to change to keep us motivated in the long term, but right now, i for one am motivated.
w00t!
how?
Please keep in mind that so did Max at first!
if giggles is still reading, am curious is hsdpa has faster upload speeds than 3g, or if it's just download speed that is improved?
of course. i said exactly that last night.
Well I couldn't possibly say without upsetting you enormously. Just be happy it works.
#mfchappyplace
If it's any help my new phone has hspda and uploads very very fast
Excellent news! :D
ahh. can you get qik on your phone?
Have seen the qik application mentioned in an email by Nokia the day after i got it so I assume so
you mean you're not keen to live stream your whole life?
over the past couple weeks it's slowly impacting on me how much the new media thing has an effect on everything, and it was probably the Qik stuff that was the straw that broke the camels back (in a good way) and i wanna embrace it :D
Urm.. I'll get back to you on that one ;)
Hi guys, does anyone know what's the best video quality achieved using qik? mine have all been around 240 wide at 1 to 4 fps/
i'm sure we have a choice?
oops. sorry.
i'm NOT sure we have a choice?
Maybe i should do a proper test run of my qik...
pleeeease.
*loads the playground up*
:)
calm down calm down!
I have absoloutly nothing to say, and unlike giggles i dont have a legendary owl!
Ok ill give it a go...
Hello, seen my stream? Not much there if you hate cats or children.
Although planning to do some live streaming on holiday (Northumberland/Edinburgh) That's about 3 weeks away though.
I think I may too, although I also have nothing to do/ say
you guys are ace :)
Did that work
erm. i saw nothing?
Nuffink.
ah it says its uploading unsent data.
Thats not too good because i had 3 bars of H when i started
:/
qik has broken my phone
wha?
ooh. that's bad.
went to download it, and now my phone is just flashing colours like crazy. even when i turn it off, it does it...
It seems to be stuck on 1%
oh dear.
i'm guessing it's not done that before?
what does it mean when the green thing on the side goes yellow?
Have taken the battery out and whatnot and it's ok now. I'm not WTF that was though and it's just worried me now... :S
nope :(
orange = recording, i think?
did qik install?
Whats the green button with the square?
Its really stuck. I dont think its going to work
ooh. that might be recording? i really have no idea.
we press it until it says "you're live" and then delete any three second videos later.
nopies. will try installing another way, that was via browser and everything went crazier than a piquet family meeting
Just tried another video that doesnt seem to have streamed either :(
*starts googling for an alternative to qik*
:)
:)
Just trying mine now. No sound, just monitor.
i see you :)
is that via wifi? really good quality.
ok apparently im connected now?
what's your qik url?
By the way, Mrs C, the email with the FIAsco in it, have you not seen this before?
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/another-fia-fiasco-jpg-2
Yes
I've only used Wifi so far. What networks are any of you on? I'm on Vodafone, hoping it works ok when I'm not on wifi
http://qik.com/lukehmuse
so unpredictable
christine's is t-mobile. giggles last broadcast must've been on 3.
sorry!
I have seen it all over the place but I don't know how to say it.
Amy I dont suppose you know anything about doing a postgraduate course to convert a normal degree into a legal one? {Comment #296}
In the UK, you need to do a CPE conversion course. It's a postgraduate taught course (one year full-time, two years part-time) taught at many British universities. I've also found a site that describes the pass rates for each university, which you may wish to consider before signing up for such an expensive course.
Unfortunately I do not know the procedure for outside the UK.
Monkey Island!
i see lukeh's house!
ahhh ok :)
its killed my phone again :(
i dont think qik likes it...
booo!
I'll try again. I'm determined now dagnabbnit.
have added you to the playground page.
ohhh lordy, just found out my phone is supported...
thank yooooou :)
should be streaming again in a sec fingers crossed
hehehe. you know you want to :)
Yay for Lukeh!
Stay away from the sign in page RG, stay away.
Oh what the heck
i see lukeh.
We have that Circuit Guide up too :)
w00t! what's you url?
Oops, one sec.
Yeyyy, now i can spell rubens ;)
Lukeh is edu-ma-cational too. R-U-B-E-N-S.
I may have solved my problem... this is only a theory though, so dont expect wonders
Does your cap have its own hook?
what can you spell?
play a game lukeh.
Noooooo it's gone again. Just as i was about to tell you a story :(
the only one I know of here is http://jd.law.unimelb.edu.au/ {Comment #301}
Ah. If we're talking the Australian method of converting non-law to law degrees, it's also possible to do JD courses at Monash and RMT University. Queensland University used to do it but appear to have stopped taking new students.
i see nick!
So this works on a computer and not just a mobile? In that case, I have a webcam soooo....
and lukeh. too much fun.
What a stupid request for a gig, grr. I know they’ll go over it anyways and just be fined but still!! {Comment #314}
It's still over 4dB louder than a cinema is permitted to be...
For future
http://www.qik.com/sauberrg
The sauber part is sooo gonna be outdated in a little while
woooooow. x2 streams. cricket on channel one, and scary mask on channel 2.
I think i may go see mr nokia tomorrow. Dis ain't right.
i think i've lost lukeh, but i like nick programs.
nooo, don't go yet nick.
yeah, new blog.
nick. what's on the picture behind you?
I have several... maybe i will do a tour of the artwork another time ;)
The ones directly behind me are of Dubai
damn. but i like that what i see so far.
it's mental with two audio streams running at the same time.
please and glad to see it's working.
Sorry about that.. i thought Lukeh had gone!
i love this, its great :D
scott, yell once you have a qik (or other streaming) account and i'll add you.
rg, for some reason you embed code isn't there to copy?
i will do mroe as long as I got this annoying crazy lines crashing thing fixed :)
I think it needs a miniute or 2 to get itself properly connected before you start streaming... otherwise it gets all confused
Then if you have to crucify someone for making a mistake, punish the mechanic who made the error – not the whole team. {Comment #342}
Unfortuantely the FIA doesn't have any specific sanctions (other than a fine or a ban) that it could actually issue to a mechanic. Given the number of other mechanics who have made errors and gone unpunished, and the fact that the regulation the FIA cited says it is the team's responsibility to release cars safely, the mechanic could justifiably feel aggrieved if punished directly. Having the team punished and pass the monetary element (or a portion thereof) to the mechanic would be another matter...
i feels the back to the future scene with the big telly showing lots of channels.
hahaha, i really really really need a shave!
i thought your hair was long?
I got it cut the other week when i started swimming.. for speeeeed!
ahh, i learns :)
i see lukeh listening to muse.
the sheer awesome of finding clips of the new album broke it. ahem.
Then there’s Vettel in Australia – who did not come into the pits even when Race Control instructed the team to make him do so. They didn’t do this for Renault in Hungary… {Comment #342}
Vettel did, however, get black-flagged and fined for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Race Control declined to call Alonso in because Vettel had ignored it back then - it's not obliged to call anyone in, after all.
Thanks Alianora... I have been looking at British universities but they dont seem to have any way of knowing if you can join a course in September if you haven't applied through UCAS, so i have been looking at AUS as they start in January ;)
tour of lukeh's house. i love my life.
Renault won their appeal. Unsurprising. {Comment #343}
This is good news. I did wonder how exactly the FIA intended to prove its allegation. It must have been a pretty poor showing from the FIA though, for the result to be given a day early...
Nick, if you're interested in a full time course then you do need to apply through ucas, part time ones you can generally do outside of ucas via forms etc. If you're intereted in applying you need to do it now, because you'll have to go through clearing (thursday) to do it.
i'm so hoping lukeh finds mint sauce in his fridge...
I want a new phone alot right now, am missing out on all the fun :(
awww. but how much fun is lukeh's biscuit tin?
its a darn sight better than my biscuit tin, i am jealous :D
feels an orange... it is orange...
have no idea if this is over 3g, but it's better than our stream.
Right, I'm signed up to uStream, so expect Wheel Cam very soon! :D
that was fun :D
Even for post grad courses? most of the ones i have seen have had deadlines back in the early months of the year
Oops, linky.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77736
Fined $50,000 instead.Comment #346}
Well, if it's only a question of accidental unsafe release (the court having appeared to accept it wasn't deliberate), then that is the highest non-sporting penalty that can be issued, and the sporting penalty of disqualification is superfluous because Renault effectively disqualified itself by dint of its actions.
you've finished? am still watching. just got to the toaster.
what's the url sir?
#
you have another mintue or so! it said there was a delay to be fair
oh post grad, not so sure. yeah you're probably right for post grad ones, there are probably alot of places that still have courses, you've just got to be patient on the phone, ill have a look to see if theres a post-grad-ucas
If only I couldd stream my quest to find a cable :D
was that all done over 3g, or wifi?
wifi I believe
Mine was on hsdpa... I dont have wifi :P
ahh, makes sense. i loved the light switch challenge. did you fix the phone, or how did you stop it crashing?
that's the most impressive demo. really good stream and almost no buffering.
it seemed to work when I was moving. Strangely...
Will still take a look at it though. It went a bit funny here and there. I'm going for another look in my kitchen :D
there is http://www.ukpass.ac.uk/ but that didnt really seem to be masses of help when i looked earlier. I will look into it a bit more tomorrow
Nick, have a look at tthis...
http://www.ukpass.ac.uk/
Excellent... I will have to go down to the lake and stream from there :D
ah you got there before me!! fair enough, i'd phone unis tbh, find out the procedure
Thanks Alianora… I have been looking at British universities but they dont seem to have any way of knowing if you can join a course in September if you haven’t applied through UCAS, so i have been looking at AUS as they start in January {Comment #782}
You're welcome.
What you need to do is ask the universities directly. Given the urgency involved, phoning is your best bet. They should be able to advise you a) whether they are likely to have vacancies and b) what you need to do to fulfil them. While all the universities have probably got their Plan A organised, drop-outs and people who've missed their predicted degree classification could mean there are spots opening on courses.
Start with the courses/universities that look most interesting, but be warned: you might have to settle for a course other than the one you would have picked had you had a free choice. Having Australia as a backup option is a good idea, but you may need to convert the course to British law if you want to go back to Britain to practise (such courses are probably less expensive or time-consuming than the CPE).
UCAS deal with undergraduate courses as well as postgraduate teaching ones, but they don't have anything to do with most postgraduate courses (including those pertaining to the legal profession).
yeah... I hate the phone.. grrr
lukeh has a lots of kitkats. don't tell christine... but they're orange ones.
Thanks Jon and Alianora... I will have a look into it tomorrow :D
Evening all. Exam results are in.
hey. how'd you do pat?
As long as they aren't the original ones. I have a shortage of them and want one.
Nelson Mansell FTW
:)
you gotta watch lukeh in his kitchen.
I passed the two relatively easy ones.
Amazingly, I passed the really hard tax exam where I couldn't get the numbers to work (I think I passed on the workings out - always show your workings!)
And I did not pass the Financial Statements paper so I have to retake in December. Actually I passed Part 1 and failed Part 2, which was kinda what I expected.
Finally home...
ignoring the situation would have seen f1/fia get it in the neck for not taking safety seriously. {Comment #352}
Instead it's getting it in the neck for generating yet another psuedopolitical mess. My first aid tutor last week commented on F1 "politics" in a negative way, and the only F1 drivers he appeared to know about were Hamilton and Massa...
more streaming? will do!
very well done sir!
first job, find a wall socket?
thanks!
on Qik?
I don't know... I just thought I needed it :)
http://www.sidepodcast.com/playground/livestreaming.php
it just stopped actually...
i can't hurt ;)
neither can "it".
You're immortal?
doh!
In your humble opinion...is Ustream or Jtv better?
Time for another Sidepodscience experiment!
giggles knows more than us now, but there seems to be less ads on JTV.
Lukeh is reading his DVDs
no, no, no, owwwww!
I think... ustream is better but it has ads...
i got nothing? is it still streaming?
as a viewer, I agree
Seems to be... I don't think it can be a replay... I was watching Nick's and then it just started.
it was working here! now it is b-wording
just stopped.
UStream it is, i shall just have to find myself a webcamwith a mic in the vast box of goody's we have in our garage
his remote broke!
I think it does... My broadcast was HSDPA and it seemed to go well...
I wish i had comedy central!
It might be too late for that – unless we hear about a rush for tickets I fear most may be unable to make plans at such short notice… {Comment #363}
Spaniards can be rather spontaneous when it comes to deciding whether to buy tickets - my Spanish teacher at secondary school claimed that a fair number of them check the day's weather before getting tickets for activities involving going out. However, the sheer dullness of 2008's race may mean the increase in ticket-buying is slow. Even Alonso and Schumacher combined are not enough to guarantee an exciting race (otherwise 2004 would have been thrill-a-minute).
Douglas
is it only Nick and I watching?
It's Anthony Worral Thomson isn't it?
no
my webcams won't work :(
Winnie the pooh
AA Milne
am. i think i'm addicted :)
I have no idea
Rory Bremner is the other one
Are 20 cars unable to overtake duller or better than 18 cars unable to overtake?
He's a tv chef
You all have yourselves to blame if there is nothing new added on to the playground now but more live streams.
:)
He's an chef / arrogant tv personality
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Also for comments having no context whatsoever
that could be an issue.
#luekhlivestream
I have three!
#sorrychristine
I passed the two relatively easy ones.
Amazingly, I passed the really hard tax exam where I couldn’t get the numbers to work (I think I passed on the workings out – always show your workings!)
And I did not pass the Financial Statements paper so I have to retake in December. Actually I passed Part 1 and failed Part 2, which was kinda what I expected. {Comment #821}
Four out of five is good going. Hopefully the Part 2 will go better in December. Until then, give yourself a trest - you've earned it :)
At school I was called 'the walking dictionary'
Thanks Alia!
Unfortunately I have to take both parts as a single paper rather than the part I failed, but nothing a lot of revision can't cure.
Was I right then?
#lukhlivestream
Can someone help me set up my XBOX Live Vision camera to work as a cam for UStream?
Eat an orange!
Did anyone mention this? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77739
"I cannot wait to race again, I hope I can do the Brazilian Grand Prix," Massa told Brazilian television channel Globo. "But it's not for me to say, it's for the doctors, and I have to show I can be ready for the grand prix."
lukeh's yer man. he's... umm... contemplating oranges at the moment.
sounds like it's translated from the video journeyer posted earlier?
but certainly good news.
Love the line... "washing machines - the most evil machines since Terminator 2"
Lukeh, can I drag you away from dem oranges for a sec? Soz everyone :P
That was brilliant :-)
I'd love to help but I have no idea.
That isn't an orange... It's a tangerine...
Are 20 cars unable to overtake duller or better than 18 cars unable to overtake? {Comment #861}
An interesting philosophical question, Maverick, but not one that I believe will detain many F1 fans for long. I for one will make sure I have some books handy...
ooops!
...so, what's the difference?
It might be a clementine?
At school I was called ‘the walking dictionary’ {Comment #871}
It's a good nickname to be given :) - though not necessarily the easiest to appreciate at the time...
It might be...
I have a post about this...
http://www.gamboling.co.uk/2006/12/whats-difference-between-satsumas.html
Unfortunately I have to take both parts as a single paper rather than the part I failed, but nothing a lot of revision can’t cure. {Comment #872}
Oh no! Looks like you'll be passing one part twice then.
An Orange is completely differnent... One of those big things.
yuck yuck yuck.
That was too orangey for Lukeh's just good for Pat W and his dog.
hmmm. i think that may require another post...
*Lukehs
tsk
you think of everything, that's brilliant!
I hope so!
Well if your blog has been going long enough, and there isn't any real subject for it - these things eventually happen. Especially from the time when I wrote a post every day.
I'm all oranged out now. Whats up?
I must to bed now... Have fun evening everyone!
Night!
I am going to catch up on comments and tweets.
Night Alex
Night Alex!
See ya alex
why do people bother penalising teams if they get over turned in the courts? {Cmment #374}
Because the stewards don't think before making false accusations (had the accusation been true there would have been no benefit, and some cost, to the FIA in reducing the penalty).
night sir.
Also these decisions do not often get overturned
Just thought... How is the parade lap going to work now?
same as before, although i'm guessing giggles might be tempted to live stream.
i don’t really see this as a storm though?
- news: renault banned from next race
- news: renault to appeal
- news: renault win appeal
who’s angry? {Comment #403}
The sort of people who follow F1 casually and spend half their pre-race build-up having to be updated about the latest stupidity. Since they make up large proportions of F1's audience, that would classify as a storm. What they see is a team doing something, them being considered in the wrong, and then deemed in the right again. It's very difficult to handle such a thing well. Though F1 might get away with such a thing once, it's become the rule rather than the exception. That's causing an underlying anger that F1 is generally a mess because it can't make its mind up what it's doing...
although it would be cool if everyone live streamed as they listened.
a big wall of movement.
Cool.. i have promised him a call in so it might all go a bit crazy if we stream at once!
I'm not here...
I recorded 1.1 Gigglybits of video today - not including the live streaming stuff!!!
Crazy!
You need the 4 eeepc's ;)
Wouldn't that melt down the interwebs?
oh man, i think im going to have to have a word with my internet provider...
hehehe giggly bits :P
we can but try :)
I always feel like I am 3 weeks behind with sidpodcast.
hehehe. yeah. us too.
I think my computer would seize! It has a strop on the /livestreaming page now, even when only one or two are running, because there are so many stream boxes which are all phoning home to check for new content.
i know it used to be freeserve...then wanadoo...i think its now orange?
I'm about the same on the shows but I'm keeping up with the chatter.
Better than Midweek Motorsport, I'm about 13 weeks behind on that. #sorrydex
If commercial considerations were not taken into account why has a race ban been changed to an irrelevant fine? {Comment #422}
Because, reading between the lines of the Autosport story, the FIA couldn't prove that Renault's actions were deliberate. Since this was the complete reason why the FIA was proposing to treat Renault's behaviour differently to other unsafe releases in the past, this meant they could only issue the same penalties as had been issued for other unsafe release - which are substantially lighter.
Time penalties were impossible because Renault had effectively disqualified itself. Disqualification was impossible because Alonso pitted (by necessity) the lap the problem was noticed, meaning he never went past the post where the black flag is kept. Therefore all the FIA could do was issue a fine, so it issued the largest one it thought it could get away with issuing.
agreed. not sure if there even is a solution for that, but i see it too.
hey paul. wassup?
I think you are way too productive.
Live video streaming now?! Cripes.
How do I find and send the embed link for my stream? I have Wheel Cam all set up! :D
At the moment it isn't a major problem, just that it is hard to scroll the browser or switch windows - which you don't really need to do during a 1 or 2 person live stream anyway if you have those one side and comments the other.
Things I do for sidepodcast. Spent last hour looking for usb cable for phone. So far, no success :(
hehehe, I await London Newcastle airport!
Google it?
ahh.
think of it as enhanced commenting. commenters now stream stuff too.
Wheelcam?
anybody live within 20mins of rg?
what's the name of your ustream account?
I think if you post a link to your accont mrc can do the rest with his magic...
woodwiss
I am saying The FIA should be able to take commercial considerations into account without compromising their authority. {Comment #425}
They can't. For one thing, Steven is right to say there would be massive difficulties in making commercial considerations compatible with a sport. Also, the FIA is banned from getting involved in the commercial side of F1 by the EU.
I don't think that is an adequate explanation from the FIA. Either the mechanic knew the safety device was not engaged which seems to be the case from the Renault evidence where their argument is no-ine on the pitwall knew about the problem and only two mechanics did or the device failed in which case the Renault devices should have to pass an inspection before being allowed on track in Valencia. The only other possibility is that the mechanic thought the device had engaged when it had not and therefore should need to be inspected before it runs in Valencia.
okay, so your url is: http://www.ustream.tv/woodwiss
start streaming and i'll embed the player.
http://www.ustream.tv/woodwiss
done!
i see ya. give me 5 mins.
The frame rate is a bit slow also a big shaddow on the screen... are your lights off?
Other than that... great! :D
job done. scott added here too:
http://www.sidepodcast.com/playground/livestreaming.php
The problem, as I have said before, is the complete arbitrary nature of the FIA penalties and decisions. I agree that if this had happened 2 or 4 weeks before, no one would have said a thing. They need published rules that they follow. Spa last year is another classic example of random decision making. Until the FIA publish rules before incidents happen, we will continue to see these random penalties and appeals.
I am saying the people awarding the ban should use common sense to implement it, instead of having to choose between letting someone off or damaging the sport. {Comment #461}
If the FIA had stuck to an allegation it could conclusively have proved, then there would have been no ban in the first place and therefore this would never have been discussed.
If precedent was different and accidental pit lane releases had been punishable through bans, then it could have banned with impunity and little damage to the sport would have been wrought. OK, Fernando would have been frustrated and his fans disappointed, but if the FIA had made clear what Fernando's team had done wrong, then commercial damage would have been low. Certainly it would have been lower than this U-turning performance the FIA has put in through (I suspect) reaching further than it could grasp.
I reciently replaced my webcam after a long time with the old one. I really reccomend it! Massive difference
I think its just the camera picking up the faster frame rate...
We hear you.
audio is great scott. just thinking about the shadow,
Can hear scott clearly
sound great
wondering why it's only half the screen? maybe because the camera is lower than the screen and looking up?
I don’t think that is an adequate explanation from the FIA. {Comment #940}
Neither does the FIA - it did say it was releasing a full explanation in the coming days...
Lukeh, which game did you make the Sidepodcar?
Indeed.
Wait, what?
This game, Forza 2
Why did it just say I'm online? My xbox has been online for ages. Wierd.
Its an effect i have seen before... i dont think its that easy to get rid of when it happens...
the things you learn with live streaming.
bugger.
can you guys play together and both live stream?
That would be awesome!
Probably, depends how much of an effect it has on scott's bandwidth live streaming and racing online
hehe. are you trying to create some weird feedback loop?
Oooh I like that Vauxhall
yes.
:D
sidepodcar!
yay sidepodcar :)
The only other possibility is that the mechanic thought the device had engaged when it had not and therefore should need to be inspected before it runs in Valencia. {Comment #940}
If the device is to be inspected before Valencia, it won't necessarily be announced ahead of time. It may not even get special mention in the Technical Notes unless it fails special testing or is testing in the middle of the race weekend, which poses a problem for checking what the FIA has done about this situation.
Lukeh's Sidepodcar vs Scott's Sidepodcar?
ooh yes!
hehehe, is that someone random commenting on scotts ustream page...
i think so :D
Oooh, nice lexus.
wat?
bad grammar, demanding... it can only be...
uh oh.
Again it says im online but I was typing here. WHAT?!
Crazy xbox is crazy.
Well, he's determined. I'll give him that!
Thanks Alianora
Scott can you stop the cars spinning? i think that might help the picture...
I'm not sure if you can
ah yes there is! right analog :)
Why does that not surprise ,e
me not ,e
Does he have a superlicence or the qaulifications for one? {Comment #489}
Grosjean won the GP2 Asia Series in 2008, which qualifies him for a Superlicence automatically. I'm sure the relevant paperwork will have been sent off during the holidays.
yay Brawn car!! We should race our brawn cars :D
no offense...but i think scott's brawn car may be a taaad faster...
noone can defeat my mercedes clk!!
...except that, yes, you are right. :P
Thanks Alianora {Comment #983}
You're welcome.
Oh.. while we are on consoles... both sony and EA are holding big pressers ahead of gamescon.
Speculation a slim cheaper ps3 will be announced
Slim PS2 blew my mind away, i still laugh at the old big versions, mine is sooo small
yay Rothmans colours :)
Why does that not surprise me {Comment #987}
Um... ...because the same organisation still hasn't put up the Steward's Report from Australia?
Tomorrow
PSP 3000 iss, less so smaller than PSP 1000, but don't care, it has more stuff.
See ya scott, cheers for that.
Well done scott!
Good stuff Scott!
Also it had far less oranges than my excuse of a video, so good job :)
Thanks guys! Any requests for the next live stream?
Leave 'em in the new daily and I'll pick em up tomorrow. Night all :)
Night scott!
I may consider it when GT5 is launched if the price is right. I only bought a slim PS2 for GT4
Just doing some catching up with the comments and I must apologize for letting you all down by not having a hangover especially after I said that I would have one. I will try harder next time:D
That;s the spirit