'Ello and welcome to the 17th May 2011, how exciting! eh? For those longing for the weekend, well we're one day closer to it and the Spanish Grand Prix, so lets take a look at what has been going on;
F1 News
- Adrian Sutil faces a criminal complaint from Eric Lux of Genii (the owners of Renault GP), after weeks of rumours of an altercation in China between the two yesterday the complaint was filed yesterday and there is a possibility of further action in the future.
- Albert Park are to hold on to the Austraillian Grand Prix, as the talk of moving elsewhere has now been ruled out. The circuit has hosted the Grand Prix since 1996 and will continue to do so until for at least the remander of the current deal which will take it to the 2015 season.
- Elsewhere Mark Smith has began work as Technical Director at Team Lotus after waiting since last June when he signed. The team he left, Force India, are unsure if their upgrade package will be ready to race at this weekends race.
- Ever wondered how they design what the F1 cars will look like? Well Mercedes have given away how they have designed and painted this years car in this video.
Non F1 Stuff
- Last week Skype was bought by Microsoft for the hefty sum of $8.5 billion, well now Mashable have a cool infographic detailing Skypes rollercoaster history, who the winner were of the Microsoft deal and where it might go from here.
- One of the biggest problems with motorsports venues are its tranport links or the lack of them, Leigh has been finding this out with Snetterton Motor Racing Circuit
- In gaming news, the Playstation Network has finally started to come back online albeit slowly and some users are still experience problems. Also there are rumours that the next chapter of the Metal Gear Solid franchise will be release in 2012, personally I can't wait.
SidepodNews
- With yesterday being Monday it means there are some new tweets of the week including those on travel disasters, and activities such as Mastermind and the Eurovision Song Contest.
- With today being Tuesday, it can mean only one thing its Rankings day! If you've seen anything you think a driver might deserves points for, now is the time to bring it to Christine's attention.
In yesterday's daily you will have seen a tweet from Mark Webber, who had been attending the opening of the revamed A1Ring Red Bull Ring in Austria. Well I leave you with a video on the festivites that took place there over the weekend, featuring interviews, cars (old and new), bikes, planes and even a lap with last years championship winning car the RB6 driven by Sebastian Vettel.
hullo tuesday!
Ever wondered how they design what the F1 cars will look like? Well Mercedes have given away how they have designed and painted this years car in this video.
ooh cool. #rankings points for that surely.
great daily james *big hugs*
...and now i want a power-wall.
I won more in the lotto than I thought! Still not $21 million though. And I can't get it out of my lottery account because I haven't verified my identity :D
you're amy off the internet, what more do they need to know?
I know! They want my address. Um, the internet?
eesh, can't they google you?
You'd think so but alas they need a scan of my drivers license. The things I do for money!
:) :)
the fact I still need a scanner makes me :( its not mfc enough.
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 17th May 2011
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- Real Racing 2 HD - An iPad racer for all abilities
- Live: Giggles Radio - 1983
I can't believe Mercedes themselves are spinning the "scraping the white paint off" myth. They should have some idea of the truth.
I want a power wall for watching races on
What exactly do they do with 30,000 litres of paint? That is a huge amount.
I don't know Sutil obviously - but of all the drivers, he's always seemed the most passive or laid-back.... kinda surprised by this news... Who'd ever thunk we have a MMA driver in the mix :))) Sounds more like something Kimi would've done back in the day...
Great Daily James!
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 17th May 2011
- Tweets of the Week - And your specialist subject is?
- Daily: 16th May 2011
- Real Racing 2 HD - An iPad racer for all abilities
- Live: Giggles Radio - 1983
Morning, great daily James, and well done Amy!
morning all
You won! Whooooo!!!
Caterham?
Looks like the whole of F1 is off to silverstone for the opening of the new pit garages.
I wonder if there will be chatter amongst the f1 snapper
I wonder if MotoGP will be using them for their race too...
I wish i had one, thinking of heading here this weekend http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224083_10150184991906272_509156271_7047387_7132340_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229093_10150184991521272_509156271_7047376_3212815_n.jpg
I think so, cal cruchlow is going
Is Simon Gillett invited? :D
can I buy one with $120?
Doh!
told you it wasn't quite $21 million :)
Seems like a lot of bother for that much then!
Interesting bit from Adrian Newey regarding Senna's crash
http://www.manipef1.com/news/articles/12196/
only takes 10 seconds to scan, 10 seconds work for $120 is better than I do at my real job :D
I'm afraid that's not an impartial statement. Having said that, I'm inclined to believe him.
Yeah, a die-cast one!
True.
Odd - Brundle mentioned it at the Senna premiere. He said that from the in car, it simply doesn't look like a steering failure from the motion that we can see.
That is true!
ooh, now there is a man who's not welcome back into f1.
...in which case he's bound have his own talk show by xmas :)
Because of the earth car Honda thing?
See, you've already forgotten! :D
He's the guy who bought Donington Park and ran it into the ground.
holy.....
just.... wow.
I wonder how prosecuting sutil will go down in the f1 paddock? Will he be in bernies bad books, will the other teams like LRGP even less?
ahh, you mean simon fuller, i'm guessing?
He made Christine sick
f1scoop made a good point:
he didn't force her to drink the free booze :)
they probably think he's a pain in the neck...
shhh!
I was talking about the earth pod camping things that gave her a chill!
PS. this whole conversation is #confidentualfromchristine ;)
yeah, the drink helped not hindered her, i'm sure :)
They were different years!
Well it has meant that Crofty has remembered her ever since :)
#insomuchtroublenow
oh, ooops.
How can Christine be reading these messages?
Yeah sorry. Got them confused for some reason. I'm over Gillett hating because Donington was saved, but yeah I don't want to see him near F1 ever again.
you're too forgiving, we need to work on that :)
hehe!
Im sure things similar to this have gone down in the past though between paddock people without it going to court? (maybe not with an 'accidental' glass to the neck though)
Silverstone said they would have radio coverage of the wing launch from 11 http://twitter.com/#!/SilverstoneUK/statuses/70407535982682112
Cant hear anything yet.. http://www.silverstone.co.uk/ (bottom right)
They say it is working, I cant get nadda. Can anyone in the UK make it work?
In sad news, the worlds oldest panda has died http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/17/general-as-china-oldest-panda_8469837.html
Apparently the zoo she was at loans pandas...
34 is oooold.
I'm always super impressed when animals are older than I am :)
every panda in the world that isn't in China is on loan from China.
I'm back! Had a massive IT fail before...
I agree... That's really ooooooolddddd...
#confidentualfromKatherine
Oh, didnt know that.
Wonder what the deposit it...
Hehehe... oops. Missed the crucial bit
...for a panda.
its something I did not know before I knew Christine :D
Even if they have babies while they're overseas the babies belong to China.
Wikipedia says American zoos pay China $1 million a year for a panda on a 10 year contract.
Sounds like there could be a career opening for a bounty hunter who goes after pandas instead of chocolate!
That's the reason they're endangered!
You could take care of them, just rent them out to zoos for say half price.
It could fund a panda F1 team!
The age gap between Katherine and myself is a constant source of amusement (mainly for me I'd have to say)
Play-tested what looks like being my new computer this morning. It was going great - Sims 2 flies on it - until my attention drifted and the teenage Sim in the apartment left the cooker on. When her toaster pastry caught fire, the frame rate dropped to about 1 frame per second...
Methinks the first upgrade will be a dedicated graphics card...
I dont know if i have broken it, but radio silverstone doenst seem to be about the presentation, im getting someone talking about art here http://tunein.com/radio/Radio-Silverstone-RS247-s137373/
I initially misread that bit of the article as "the zoo also loans zoos to pandas" :D
Small post ping: http://mrschristine.com/2011/05/17/celebrating-the-final-shuttle-launches/
There's one in Eddie Jordan's book about a "soon-to-become-ex-mechanic" on his team getting involved in a fight back in 1993, but that was in the pitlane.
My guess is that you are right provided there are no journalists on duty involved (which there was in the example I gave). The injury severity probably swung Eric Lux's decision to sue - most bar brawls don't end in people getting stitches for any reason).
I dont think he suing, he is bringing criminal charges.
It could make next years Chinese GP more fun
France doesn't have an extradition treaty with Germany? That's partly what the European Arrest Warrant is for. Of course, if the judge says China should be ruling on the matter, this case could run and run (due to lack of agreement with either France or Germany concerning extraditions to China).
Hehee... Sutil to be dropped for the 2012 Chinese GP only. Apparently he may have a sore neck that weekend...
Toby Moody asked the F1 drivers their views on their viewsof the moto gp crash we were talking about on sunday:
All the great names here at Silverstone. All the F1 drivers I've spoken to say Ped/Sic incident was just racing. That's what it is.
http://twitter.com/tobymoody/statuses/70443794687995904
Argh! The distinctions between civil and criminal law (I meant he was bringing a case but picked the wrong word for the type of case...) Sorry.
But IIRC, Sutil will be facing criminal charges, not civil ones.
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 17th May 2011
- Tweets of the Week - And your specialist subject is?
- Daily: 16th May 2011
- Real Racing 2 HD - An iPad racer for all abilities
- Live: Giggles Radio - 1983
Interesting. That said, such incidents tend to have bigger impacts on bikes compared to cars due to its inherent lack of protection.
ped/sic?
Pedrosa/Simoncelli, from the MotoGP race last Sunday.
hehe, you need to drink in more interesting pubs!
They did the opposite of F1 and went for an immediate 'Ride though' penalty as opposed to hearings after the race
oooh. why are they asking f1 drivers?
Guess he wanted a neutral opinion, a lot of the motogp guys dont like him so may have been a little biased
probably because they could. it's a very dividing topic in the MotoGP paddock. fans are also divided on what happened.
F1 did that back in the day. Just ask Juan Pablo Montoya. :D
Because all the MotoGP riders are scared of Simoncelli because he's fast and can beat the works riders on a customer bike. Hence they all got together and complained that he's dangerous before the race.
One question: isn't SIC's bike a works bike with full HRC support? I mean, yes, he's in a customer team, but for all intents and purposes, it's a works ride.
I have no idea. Probably, due to the fact that the field is so weak?
Yup. And probably because HRC does know he's that quick. He was starting to look a much better bet than Dovizioso, and should've been in line to replace him at Repsol Honda next year. Not sure if last weekend's events change that or not.
Well I think he broke Pedrosa, so..
HRC is in no hurry to replace him, IMO. They're running 3 bikes as it is - they can afford not to run his team and just run with 2 bikes (Stoner/Dovi).
Via @MartinHaven
RT @bikesportnews: Button to rossi: 'you guys are mental. We dont get close enough to punch each other'
:D
A bit of soothing lunchtime muzak...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehihWNMgMY
:)
road trip: http://yfrog.com/h3s6kdej
w00t!
400 miles to Barcelona!! #F1roadtrip
blimey.
oooooooh!
Ooooh, photos of masts coming up then?
can't tell if anyone is with jas, crofty is in a field in the middle of nowhere looking at the new wing thing :)
Lots of F1/motogp crossover today:
@MBrundleF1 This made my day big time. Mega yfrog.com/h2572fuj
You see, I find this unbelievably ridiculous
http://www.globalmontreal.com/Habs+Basha+restaurant/4792130/story.html
http://yfrog.com/h2572fuj
i have no idea who all these people are?
...and don't say martin brundle, he's a television commentator.
:o
That's Valentino Rossi
:)
Thats the guy who button said was mental
oh right. the guy who didn't want to become a ferrari driver?
Yep
That's because you don't like the sport. He's Valentino Rossi, the one who keeps flirting with Ferraris and WRC...
tart ;)
I can still imagine him in a rally car, even if it is the odd one-off
Nuts. I see why they asked him to take the banner down, but he did, so why sue him?
He's Italian. Luigi only follow da Ferraris!
Brilliant picture by ted :D http://twitpic.com/4yugym
And also, they decided that their banner is worth $1,000 per day - eh.. pulling numbers out of thin air. That team needs to be slammed or just win damages of 1c
Caption: "I'm not gonna moan, I just dont want to, ok"
Where did they get that figure from?
Thin air I think
no different from mclaren banning unlap from using their image on his mugs.
That is different, because Unlap was selling them. Supporting your local team in such a manner is neither unusual nor of definitive economic benefit.
Unlap were selling McLaren goods without permission.
This guy was selling kebabs with an advert showing the local hockey team without permission.
The question is, did he benefit from the banner? probably. But he was asked to remove it and did. So was Unlap. As far as I know, McLaren haven't subsequently sued him for it.
it's no different, except the restaurant sells seats inside their premises.
Dimitris has Sutil's reaction statement on his blog:
luke was not selling mclaren goods? he was selling his own goods which featured a likeness to mclaren's brand.
so why didn't the guy just hang the poster outside his house?
Labelled as McLaren goods, which people purchased as likenesses to McLaren goods. Isn't that what Joe Saward referred to as passing off when discussing Group vs. Team Lotus?
Luke sold specific goods based on McLaren's likeness. The restaurant did not.
Technically that wouldn't have made a difference.
it was passing off. and that banner suggests the team support the guys restaurant. which they don't.
he still would've been hammered
my guess is no-one would have filed a complaint. just a hunch.
did you read the article?
"contained unauthorized use of the Habs logo"
It would, He gained customers using an unauthorized logo suggesting affiliation with the team within eyeshot of the stadium.
Having it on his house would probably have just got him some car toots
He should have taken it down when he got the first warning,
agreed.
That's not my problem though. I agree that the NHL team asked him to remove the banner, just like I agree that McLaren asked Unlap to stop selling the goods.
What I don't get is that after removing the banner, he was sued by the NHL team for having the banner in the first place? $89,000 is a lot of money to a restaurant...
He complied with the first warning
He complied with all warnings, removed the banner when asked and was then sued.
He didn't
"It all started on December 16, 2010. That’s when Basha restaurant hung a giant banner containing the Canadiens’ copyrighted symbol." ... "That same day, Issa received a letter from a lawyer representing the NHL and the Canadiens. It demanded the banner be taken down, citing unauthorized use of the Canadiens symbol"
He should have taken it down then
you're reading a different article to me:
"It demanded the banner be taken down"
"Issa responded by removing the CH on the picture."
that's not compliance!
Seems like I have. Did the subsequent letters ask him to take the banner down too?
It demanded the banner be taken down, citing unauthorized use of the Canadiens symbol.
This is where context helps and confusion occurs. The club should have been more explicit.
has to be said, i'm impressed by the lawyer who filed the letter the day the banner went up. in this country that would've taken a month :)
Admittedly, I found that curious. I would thought the next day at least
Regardless, I don't see why after taking the banner down he got sued.
i also wonder how a man who owns enough real estate to hang a 20ft banner, would struggle to pay $89k?
Lawyers + organisations = idiots.
Maybe he's paying huge rents for that real estate.
He may not own the whole building.
Also true.
the guy is not getting any publicity from this, nope: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110516/habs-nhl-restaurant-110516/
I don't drink in pubs and haven't since chess club at uni was held in one, but some of my friends at uni spent more time in pubs than they did on their coursework (hence the joke that they got a joint degree in drunken studies) and never reported anything like that. In fact, the total number of incidents that made it to the student paper involving anyone getting hospitalised for anything other than excessive drunkenness was one. In three years.
The club gave him the opening to do this. Had they been civil about just removing the sign, this might have gone away.
I would completely the same thing in his position and actually applaud his opportunism.
fair enough.
I agree. OK, so he did it to pass off and get bums on seats, but the NHL team have given him 100x more publicity by acting how they did.
The club may be legally right, but they have painted themselves as the bad guys here and people should take advantage in that situation.
Agreed. What's $89,000 to them from the little guy?
Nothing, but they could have saved so much face had they just used common sense.
And now he has to pay them 89K for that publicity!
Someone should suggest he puts a sidepodcast themed banner up... :P
As I said, the judge could also award 1c to the club. The club should have been more explicit - there's a strong case here for the club not being clear enough.
they've also shown that they are actively defending their trademark(s). which is what you have to do to keep a trademark. so they may have gained from it all too.
have you seen the size of his place?
No, just the back of his building. I have no idea about the size or worth of his business, nor do I care.
Gained face? By going after a club supporter who runs an independent restaurant?? Not a chance.
Controversies always generate publicity. Nonetheless, if the letter specified the logo without also specifying the other illegal elements of the poster, then by removing the logo the restaurant complied (the team didn't have the right to forbid the banner, only the right to forbid their intellectual property being depicted on it). Common sense should have indicated removal of the other elements to avoid future trouble but an element-by-element approach to "cease and desist" invites an element-by-element removal quite legally.
you called him the little guy. maybe he's a short-arse ;)
did i say they 'gained face'???
i said: "they've also shown that they are actively defending their trademark(s). which is what you have to do to keep a trademark."
ee-by-gum
He's been played as and is playing "the little guy". The size of his business instantly becomes irrelevant in the eyes of publicity.
Not face, money. It means they can continue to sell merchandise at official prices.
you're being played...
The media likes to do that though. Could well be that the guy is a multi millionaire. The end result is that the NHL team looks bad for going after him, whether they are doing the right thing or not.
At the end of the day, everyone wins.
The fine is big enough to make sure other people dont steal there trademarks, the guy benefits from being seen as the little guy and gets more business which will allow him to pay the fine
true story.
How am I being played? The guy shouldn't have put up the banner, but the club never should have chased him in this manner.
It's how the media works.
Agreed. I'm sure he does have the money, I just don't personally agree that the NHL team should be suing him.
if they didn't ever chase anyone, they are not adequately protecting their trademarks.
go ask the makers of the yo-yo about that one.
They had three opportunities to close the issue - they failed each time
This story is bizarre: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13417930
Parents naming their child Like just because of Facebook. But then they also called their child Pie.
Can't imagine being called Pie would encourage any kind of bullying at all!
PIE!
Hehehe.
They should have called him "π"
:)
yeah and fadl had four opportunities to close the issue. the first being not being so daft in the first place.
They should have listed all their complaints with the poster the first time around. That way it could have been fixed once, resulting in better compliance, less infringement and much less fuss for all concerned.
They didn't ask him to remove it, they asked to remove various parts. They need to be completely specific.
Nail on head.
:D (not sure whether the registry office would have approved though...)
they asked for the illegal banner to be removed. how specific does one have to be?
- "take that down"
- "which bit?"
- "huh???"
Imagine what it's like to Prince's children..?
Third child is called I, then when they call the kids in for dinner all the parents have to shout is "I LIKE PIE!!!" :)
:)
As I pointed out, he was was not clearly asked to take down the banner as it made specific reference to the logo.
He took down the logo. He therefore complied.
The club doesn't have the right to demand the entire banner be removed if the offending item(s) on the banner are removed when the compliance notice is sent.
i officially give up with the sidepodcast comments, i shall spend the rest of my days talking to the brick wall opposite me. it's more fun and it talks way more sense. enjoy the season, this isn't remotely a fun way to spend my spare time any more.
are you still hungover? :D
Fair enough, but I'm just using the same arguments that will probably be brought up during the case.
Sorry if that bores you.
So, time for another Positive Day then.
I like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ&feature=player_embedded
It's quite eye-boggling though.
F1Minute Ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/pirelli-tweak-hard-tyre-compound-for-upcoming-spanish-grand-prix
Did me agreeing with mr c break him?
:)
here was far too much oblique camaraderie going down
;)
What with your talking sense in the photographer thread too... there's something up with the universe :)
is this happening because Alison is there and shes using his computer?
Hahaa
Hehe no, not this trip!
Nice pic twitpic.com/4yv8ek
Shame Lewis didn't turn up! #rankings
Sure does look cold...
It's very pointy.
I wouldn't like to fall on it
That's rather trippy but very cool. I saw so many different 2D and 3D shapes there!
Just when you think they're in line, it starts all over again!
There's some weird resonant effects going on in there - but it makes for a great optical illusion
Oh dear - looks like the FIA have banned off throttle diffusers - in an attempt to peg back red bull? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91475
This is interesting, if slightly enormous: http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/SciFiNow_DoctorWho_Infograp1.jpg
Chart of loads of Doctor Who things.
Blimey...
I am impressed though. just the amount of work that would have taken is mind blowing.
Absolutely, where would you even start?
Wow amazed people wouldn't step back and think about the impression they are creating if one of the hosts doesn't want to take part in the comments any more?
Was just reading that, engines are for power not for aero tweaks
Afternoon all
Alex: Did you hear about the Senna screening at Clapham?
Going over the conversation, I didn't read the word 'bore' at all or get that sentiment
Will you settle out of court too :)
This is why we need a cross-site flame war. We need to focus our efforts on fighting the other sites, not each other!
I'm sure there'll be an update in the flame war in someone's podcast soon. It's been a while :D
I think peace was achieved when they blogged about Amy.
Too amiable by far :D
Hiya guys!
I don't know why but It makes me laugh on the Tennant bit for historical characters.
Queen victoria, madame de pompadour and, well, satan.
We should get formula1blog.com involved. We American's are much better at this flame war thing... ;)
Ooh no I didn't.
Director Q&A at the Picture House
Mon 6th June 8:15pm - ya fancy?
And the film, obviously ;)
Hehe, I'm pretty happy with how that one went.
Is about half sold so far, not sure when it was anounced but I found out yesterday
£9.80 each inc booking
satan is an historical figure is he? glad we don't have to worry about him any more
Have you seen these recent posts on sidepodcast.com?
- Daily: 17th May 2011
- Tweets of the Week - And your specialist subject is?
- Daily: 16th May 2011
- Real Racing 2 HD - An iPad racer for all abilities
- Live: Giggles Radio - 1983
Christine's Rankings day today, so if you have any suggestions for drivers or teams, I am all ears.
Nominated Mark Webber before the weekend and tagged it
Something about the flag at Buck House
Evening.
Hi Pat
Points for HRT..?
Posterous ping: http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/f1minute-gets-a-new-icon
Nice one. I thought I spotted something different about the Twitter logo yesterday. :)
The new Silverstone Wing is looking impressive now it is finished, must admit to being sceptical through the build but I like it.
I think I put something in last week's thread but I have no idea what
About Webbo.
Nice
I have no idea. I think it was something I saw the day after the rankings were published.
I decided to check and you are right
http://sidepodcast.com/post/heikki-kovalainen-takes-the-lead-again-in-christines-rankings#comment-1090608
I check the previous threads, and I search the week's comments for "rankings" and "points".
This week was quite tricky because the Eurovision thread is full of "12 points for Jedward!" type things :)
agree. still a rubbish name though. :-)
I think Jedward should get -12 points if that helps at all
Yep
So the the 2nd and 3rd guys in the GP3 Series will not be racing this weekend...
Now Tom Dillmann is out:
Hmmm...
The price of running on the F1 bill may be too high
Tiago Monteiro's going to Le Mans, if you are a fan... He's replacing Lehaye at OAK who was injured at Spa.
I still have no idea how the GP2 guys get by... ¢2.2 million per season...
BTW... I've been hearing lots of little extra's about Highcroft
Oh? They promised they had something in the works.
Apparently ALMS is in such deep ****, that teams are looking for a way out / to another series, hence Highcroft's looks to IndyCar.
Apparently something may have collapsed in the meantime, leaving them with little / nothing to go to. The current TV deal ALMS is really hitting the teams very hard.
:D
So Jedward may be topping Christine's rankings?
The front end has fallen apart, GT is still fairly strong though? The need to add a couple of spec classes to bulk the field a while ago wasn't a good sign though.
That was a terrible decision, everyone said so at the time, but I think it must run deeper than that. There must be a reason why they had to take that deal rather than all live on actual TV.
By the way, is anyone here going to the World Series by Renault races at Silverstone later this year?
They're free...
me! me! me!
It's also getting hit by a number of other championships going on though.
Only other option may have been to buy TV time, which was Champ Car's last deal...
Don't know, having the races split across two days doesn't make the travel cost worthwhile IMO.
If you only go on the Sunday I mean
GrandAm? Maybe.
I think they've been doing that up until now.
Mind you the same is true for GT1 and I was thinking of doing that, GT3 as a support race is more appealing to me than Meganes though.
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/its-all-about-charity-on-this-weeks-christines-rankings
Evening. Went for a run earlier. Intervals are hard! http://runkeeper.com/user/RubberGoat/activity/35841087
I wonder what Hindy and co. think?
Leigh are you around?
We'll know tomorrow I think
In London or by my laptop?
I meant in the comments, sorry for the confusion.
I'm sorry to say that I don't like the way the conversation earlier went. And if it's true that Mr C isn't coming back to the comments I think it's fair to say I would have expected a response to his message more akin to an apology.
I don't want to single you out particularly, but I really am amazed that people who were around at the time could mind so little.
You were having an argument and he said he was leaving the comments for the rest of the season... I would expect people in the community to be upset by this?
Mr and Mrs C made this place for us and them. If it's just us who use it, then it ceases to exists.
I would feel bad if I had seen any user post that today. We are supposed to be a community. The response to his comment seems off.
Sorry if this in turn seems off.
I feel bad about it. Sorry Mr. C. if I upset you, man.
Clearly I have missed something earlier. Unless there were some personal insults which I can't imagine with this community I suggest everyone take time to think about whatever happened.
I am sure it can all be settled amicably
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/red-bull-and-str-get-team-rankings-points-for-a-great-weekend
Fair enough, but I would expect the same in kind.
To be honest, I saw absolutely nothing wrong with either the argument or the comments - we both had our points of view that were shared with little fuss and then Mr C left a comment that in my eyes seemed like a bit off too.
To be honest, I forgot about the whole thing straight afterward as it really wasn't that important and certainly not anything worth leaving the chatroom for.
We had a discussion, but if someone (anyone) cannot see an opposing point of view, that's really not my problem.
There were no bad feelings, no insults, no swearing and no apparent bad moods, so I'm struggling to see what the problem is.
It's not a chatroom.
Or comments area, I'm not sure of the official name.
The bit where he said he wasn't coming back to the comments?
i'm totally confused. have relevant comments been deleted?
No idea why he said that. I didn't see anything wrong with anything anyone wrote. He disagreed with me and then went off.
Not a single one.
You see... I think that's where we disagree. I think that the community is a community. If somebody is exiting the community then it is everyone's problem.
#points for next week: http://twitpic.com/4yyu5n/full
Cool!
Ooh, huge new grandstand too. *mental note*
And again, will I get an apology in kind? Mr C's comment inferred that he was having a conversation with people that weren't talking sense and that he was hitting his head against a brick wall.
Do I not get the same consideration?
And why am I being singled out? It was a conversation amongst a number of users who argued on either side of the subject.
I might be way out of place here so sorry if I am.
Like Steven I missed this earlier, but I did read it back just before I posted my 'Evening' greeting, and whilst I appreciate my opinion hasn't been sought (so do ignore it if you like), as a neutral viewer who wasn't there, it seemed pretty small beer compared to the photography thread (and that's quite an understatement). I make the assumption that no comments have been deleted, if they have, ignore me here. Perhaps by not being there 'live', any perceived atmosphere/tone doesn't come across when reading it back, I don't know...
What I saw was pretty much as Leigh just described. A conversation about a topic, perfectly logically can calmly, but still robustly, argued from both points of view with no insults or bad manners from anyone. That was until one person removes themselves from it for whatever reason. I don't know what that reason is, and Alex I didn't think it was a serious comment about leaving for the season, just thought it was a flippant comment as we all make in the heat of the moment, go away, come back a day or two later, move on.. sort of thing.
I appreciate trademarks copyright and stuff generates strong opinions for both Mr C and Leigh.
Sorry I didn't mean to single you out you. You seemed to be around. I had posted a more general comment earlier but it got missed.
I would hope that you would. But he's not here.
I don't see that it is Leigh's place to go crawling to Mr C
Did anyone at the time take Mr C's exit seriously because it isn't phrased in a serious way - only the lack of a return suggests that it was. maybe I'm missing something of the context not being present at the time...
Maybe this is best saved for when he's back, because I think this is just crossed wired to be honest.
Well perhaps it's an overreaction from me. And if it is then I appologise.
But I have noticed a worrying amount of times Mr C has felt the need to remove himself from the comments, and the number of times Christine has had to make a happy place.
Seems odd to me. Seems like maybe a sign that the community has changed a bit.
Sorry again if I'm creating a problem and so on. I'm off for a bit now (but I'm coming back).
Didn't mean to single anyone out again. Sorry if I cause a problem.
No hassle at all. To be honest, I've seen heated threads (the photography one is an example), but rarely seen any poor form in the main comments section, but then I miss a lot of stuff when I'm at work.
It's definitely changed a lot, and we've tried to address it a few times, but without much luck. Now, I think we just roll with it, or remove ourselves, as and when.
:)
You can't beat the optimism of young drivers
Leigh, have you just upset Vijay Mallya on twitter?
Vijay Mallya is on twitter?
Nope - some people corrected him on cricket play and he's gone on a mad sweary rant.
http://twitter.com/#!/TheVijayMallya
Which will be really sad for me.
I'd link here, but the swearing is something else
you did need to be warned about the comment about 15 minutes ago
Tony Fernandes to buy West Ham?
https://twitter.com/tonyfernandes/status/70578258147680256
Aye - started seeing that at the weekend
On the other hand
:(
Whoops! And there I was thinking from those of his tweets not aimed at specific individuals that it was a family-friendly account...
Nice pic: In Flight iPhone snaps Space Shuttle launch
Ping: Track Notes for Barcelona... http://www.vivaf1.com/blog/?p=5790
Ohhhh-err
#SignThatIHaven'tUsedProToolsInAWhile
I didn't recognise the button-majig on my dock... Ho-hum
Ping: Spanishy GP preview thingy http://www.vivaf1.com/blog/?p=6489
It would be awesome if you called the post that!
watch out for That Vettely Blokey on Poley-woley
;)
Ping: http://mrschristine.com/2011/05/17/p-is-for-pie-well-almost/
Yippee! While I am sorry Matthieu got injured in the first place, I enjoyed watching Tiago in F1 and think he'll do a reasonable job for them :)
Also, the Aston Martin team is in LMP1, if they can get a functional car to the race. If they do, Vanina Ickx and Maxime Martin will be in it, which should be interesting.
Change beginning, but is it too late..?
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-series-makes-senior-management-change/
How exactly is an off-throttle exhaust a moveable aero device? Simply because Max failed to understand what Article 3.15 said doesn't give Jean an excuse to do the same.
Because it feeds into a blown diffuser
The diffuser doesn't move. The only thing that moves is whatever valve allows fuel to be injected into the exhaust and of course the exhaust gases themselves.
It hardly fits with F1's green imaage to be dumping fuel into the exhaust
I agree that the description is wrong but I'm glad this is being tackled now as it would definitely get out of hand
We might get Christian Horner on the BBC coverage every week otherwise talking about it.
At least now we'll get Christian Horner on the BBC coverage talking about something else
:lol:
Or not talking about something, as is usually the case...
It's hardly a new idea. It was done with the turbo engines in the 1980s
Hi gang,
Judging from my Amtrak 'quiet car' experience, I'm not surprised at all that they called the cops on someone.
http://huff.to/kLHAOV
downforce depends on throttle position - that certainly strikes me as an adjustable setting
there are probably practical limitations to being able to ban the EBD outright, certainly can't be done overnight
We are supposed to have silent cars on Danish trains. And believe me, if you are even breathing loudly you get told off. It's rather amusing really!
I guess she booked the quiet car so she could hear her phone
Yeah, that's basically what happened to me. And I thought I was compulsive about noises! I got nothin' on those folks. They win.
They can ban fuel being injected into the exhaust
:)
but it would entail a rearrangement of the exhaust system really
I'm just upset that the regulations are being ignored by the people who set the regulations for reasons that are not in their mandate. If the FIA can't be bothered to respect its own regulations, why should anyone else (other than fear of sanctions)?
Renault's fault really, they got all excited and started bragging about how their fuel economy allowed them to carry so much more fuel than their rivals purely for blowing the exhaust
But Mercedes seem to have pretty refined engine mapping too, so if a team has complained I think it'll be from one of the other engine suppliers
Downforce depends on throttle position for every car, no matter how it is designed...
Are they sure it wasn't called the "Quite Car"...?
(ahem)
They just need to tell the ecu not to pump fuel into it.
hehe
I disagree with changing the regs in season unless there is a serious safety issue.
Not unless it's a) between seasons, b) the FIA can prove a safety issue is at hand or c) the FIA has already given itself explicit freedom to adapt that specific regulation (as per DRS).
that's hardly the same thing
As far as I can see it is...
I was talking technically rather than legally. Technically it is an easy issue to deal with.
I wonder if this is just Todt throwing his weight around to show Bernie who is in charge
Ah, OK.
not at all
downforce is dependent on velocity (well airspeed) not throttle position
If he carries on doing it like this, he'll find it's the teams. The regulator can say what it wants but without the teams it has nothing, and if the FIA breaks its own regulations the teams can turn around and say their contracts with it were repudiated (and therefore not get a penalty for walking out on it).
doubt Bernie will complain if it pegs Red Bull back a bit, even sounds like a Bernie idea
Under power the throttle's main function is to propel the car forward. The aerodynamic effect is secondary. Pumping fuel into the exhaust to maintain aero performance is purely an aerodynamic function
I doubt it will have any particularly noticeable effect on them compared to the other top teams. If Renault are really not doing this they may make a step forward.
Noble: Late breaking news: F1 teams have been given a reprieve by the FIA on a change to the blown diffuser regs for the Spanish GP. Story soon
Ah, got it. Thank you :)
Just had another thought. this is going to seriously mess with natural driving styles, particularly if anyone naturally blends their throttle and brake applications.
Renault said they were
And they have the most economical engine and so the most fuel to spare
I should think so! The cars will be about to set off to Spain - if any team had needed more than minor software changes to comply, it would have been impossible for them to do so.
Wouldn't surprise me if some teams struggle to get this done for Monaco given that scrutineering for that's only 9 days away.
now don't you want to know which teams objected? :-)
But this is throttle position when drive is not being transferred to the wheels. Effectively in neutral when changing down
Probably the small ones, Ferrari and Red Bull, so nearly half of them ;)
it's not a major job to change the engine mapping, this is buying time to find a way around it, not in order to implement it
Typical
THe one place you don't want the cars to suddenly become twitchier at the rear is Monaco
Agreed
For the small teams it could be, Red Bull will have protested to delay the inevitable and I can see Ferrari complaining on pure reflex...
It's a softeware issue. It's doable
it's not a complicated thing to change, they change the engine mapping throughout practice
ferrari? would agree on the complaining front - wouldn't surprise me if they're the ones who complained about them in the first place!
they've got the least developed blown diffusers therefore they've got the most to gain
Am liking the infographic from James' link about Skype's purchase
Didn't realise how much revenue they were taking in these days
Not far off a billion dollars in 2010
http://www.focus.com/images/view/58070/
They only change them between 12 predefined maps provided to them by the ECU provider. All the maps will now need changing and it will take time for the small teams to work out what exactly they need to tell MES in order so that they can get engine maps that comply without making them lose too much performance.
Once things have settled down, yes.
More Noble: Now we need to do some digging: which team wants them banned, who wins the most from the ban, and who is the biggest loser?
:)
that's on the fly during the race, changing the predefined maps is a straightforward task
at worse it's a case of uploading last year's maps before they had an EBD
Daily is done, hope it's not out of date by the time you read it ;)
Thanks Gavin :)
I thought there was a ban on changing the maps once arrived at a venue because the software was checked over and sealed by scrutineering to prevent performance-enhancing software modification?
Good point :)
Ferrari I don't think had got it working to the level of Mercedes and Renault, they were testing it in Turkey (Alonso's free practice spin)
Service Pack 1? ;)
So they'd have a point in protesting, but not necessarily in delaying that protest.
:D
If you can't beat 'em, complain about 'em
I thought that, but then why protest something to get rid when they've invested time and money. Their system works, its just not as effective as the others.
Ah ha!
Blue screen?
I should say, thats my opinion only and those I've read. No conclusive proof ;)
On the protesting front, its possible its Williams or Cosworth, I don't think they are anywhere near being able to do it.
I can see all the Cosworth teams complaining and there are three of them...
i'd agree
cosworth are worse off though but I guess maybe Ferrari have more to gain since they're near RBR/McLaren
To clarify: Williams to ban it and the other two to delay the ban.
would delaying the ban make any difference to HRT whatsoever?
Yes. They can talk to MES and come into compliance (I thought all the teams had a blown diffuser, even if for some they might as well not).
Ferrari have the history of complaining when they can't replicate something to the level the others can, so they are always first on the list.
I still wonder why its taken the FIA so long to realise it uses more fuel which is counter-intuitive to their green policy.
Not really
Virgin introduced theirs in turkey and it didn't work. they definitely will have a back up plan for spain
They probably knew all along but hoped to be able to wait until the end of the season. Renault may have forced their hand.
Oops!
I don't think Renault will have complained, they would have come up with the engine maps in conjunction with Red Bull.
I didn't mean by complaining - I meant by boasting about their high fuel consumption.
i think Alia is referring to press release showing off about how much fuel they were using just to blow the diffuser
ah. I haven't seen that. my mistake.
He he
Am lovin' today's Instagram pic of Carl http://instagr.am/p/EXt21/
#Up
williams are introducing theirs this weekend, they'll have a backup plan for it not working in practice
I think we can rule out cosworth asking for a delay
Not to worry, my vagueness hindered the situation.
http://www.vivaf1.com/blog/?p=6214 silly boys
I think at this rate, the only team that need to worry are Virgin
That's a nice thing to be able to do, even if the reason is unfortunate from Williams' perspective.
heh. they really put their foot in it.
can't see the FIA listening to their complaints about the system either
what bothers me about this, is that the FIA just come off badly and seem like they have no backbone. They are backing down whenever the teams make a noise at the moment.
Exactly. By the way, apparently Nick Wirth is working on the Dallara IndyCar aero kit......
"So, which is it to be Mr Wirth?"
(I say in the style of a Bond villain)
it did seem rather unreasonably short notice, just from a politeness perspective
It's almost like they want the teams to dig a hole for themselves...
?!?
It's a very short one from a regulatory perspective. As it's neither a safety issue nor an issue on which the FIA had assigned more leeway to itself, it should have been set in stone for the duration of this season.
Aye - I was surprised when I heard it too.
the FIA must have known it, and known the teams would say they couldn't do it yet. the most recent example is last year with the mirrors being moved, they FIA allowed the teams more time.
but that's an entirely different part that needs designing and manufacturing, it would be similar to making them reroot the exhaust away from the diffusers altogether, not changing the software
I know, my point was the FIA are changing the rules only for the teams to go not yet, allowing them time to find the optimum solution, the FIA go along with it.
What on Earth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRHnTFesv7c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Considering the teams would be entitled to tell the FIA to forget the change for the rest of the season and the FIA would not be allowed to do anything against the teams in revenge, this is leniency based on the teams' interest in maintaining some semblance of a working relationship with the FIA.
I think my problem is the teams seem to have too much power over the governing body.
Also that the FIA take so long to catch on what happening, the engine mapping has been happening for well over a year and half. Grrr F1 ;)
some one fell from a balcony and died a few days after this while trying it
If the previous incumbent hadn't abused power to such a large extent, the FIA might have had some.
The engine mapping has been happening since late 2009, but Max didn't care and Jean needed 2010 to get his feet under the table and position himself so that he could use some power in 2011.
Silly person
2 short planks
Sadly yes.
I just saw a tweet from Scott Dixon - he says he'll plank his Ganassi car if there's a rain delay tomorrow
Hopefully not at over 200mph
he's going to lie on top of it while he waits for the sun to come out?
Suppose it's an interesting way to get clean...
Who knows with Dixie?
Nothing else to do I suppose