'Ello and welcome to the 17th May 2011, how exciting! eh? For those longing for the weekend, well we're one day closer to it and the Spanish Grand Prix, so lets take a look at what has been going on;

F1 News

Non F1 Stuff

SidepodNews

  • With yesterday being Monday it means there are some new tweets of the week including those on travel disasters, and activities such as Mastermind and the Eurovision Song Contest.
  • With today being Tuesday, it can mean only one thing its Rankings day! If you've seen anything you think a driver might deserves points for, now is the time to bring it to Christine's attention.

In yesterday's daily you will have seen a tweet from Mark Webber, who had been attending the opening of the revamed A1Ring Red Bull Ring in Austria. Well I leave you with a video on the festivites that took place there over the weekend, featuring interviews, cars (old and new), bikes, planes and even a lap with last years championship winning car the RB6 driven by Sebastian Vettel.

429 responses

  • Mr C16/05/2011 at 23:10

    hullo tuesday!

  • Mr C16/05/2011 at 23:17

    Ever wondered how they design what the F1 cars will look like? Well Mercedes have given away how they have designed and painted this years car in this video.

    ooh cool. #rankings points for that surely.

    great daily james *big hugs*

  • Mr C16/05/2011 at 23:20

    ooh cool. #rankings points for that surely.

    ...and now i want a power-wall.

  • Amy16/05/2011 at 23:23

    I won more in the lotto than I thought! Still not $21 million though. And I can't get it out of my lottery account because I haven't verified my identity :D

  • Mr C16/05/2011 at 23:23

    And I can't get it out of my lottery account because I haven't verified my identity

    you're amy off the internet, what more do they need to know?

  • Amy16/05/2011 at 23:24

    you're amy off the internet, what more do they need to know?

    I know! They want my address. Um, the internet?

  • Mr C16/05/2011 at 23:24

    I know! They want my address.

    eesh, can't they google you?

  • Amy16/05/2011 at 23:26

    eesh, can't they google you?

    You'd think so but alas they need a scan of my drivers license. The things I do for money!

  • Mr C16/05/2011 at 23:26

    You'd think so but alas they need a scan of my drivers license. The things I do for money!

    :) :)

  • Amy16/05/2011 at 23:27

    the fact I still need a scanner makes me :( its not mfc enough.

  • Sidepodcast Update16/05/2011 at 23:45
  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 00:04

    Ever wondered how they design what the F1 cars will look like? Well Mercedes have given away how they have designed and painted this years car

    I can't believe Mercedes themselves are spinning the "scraping the white paint off" myth. They should have some idea of the truth.

    I want a power wall for watching races on

    What exactly do they do with 30,000 litres of paint? That is a huge amount.

  • BoozeBaron17/05/2011 at 00:18

    Adrian Sutil faces a criminal complaint from Eric Lux of Genii (the owners of Renault GP), after weeks of rumours of an altercation in China between the two yesterday

    I don't know Sutil obviously - but of all the drivers, he's always seemed the most passive or laid-back.... kinda surprised by this news... Who'd ever thunk we have a MMA driver in the mix :))) Sounds more like something Kimi would've done back in the day...

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 03:22

    Great Daily James!

  • Sidepodcast Update17/05/2011 at 05:45
  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 06:26

    Morning, great daily James, and well done Amy!

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 07:59

    morning all

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 08:02

    I won more in the lotto than I thought! Still not $21 million though. And I can't get it out of my lottery account because I haven't verified my identity :D

    You won! Whooooo!!!

    Caterham?

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 08:05

    Looks like the whole of F1 is off to silverstone for the opening of the new pit garages.

    I wonder if there will be chatter amongst the f1 snapper

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 08:07

    Looks like the whole of F1 is off to silverstone for the opening of the new pit garages.

    I wonder if MotoGP will be using them for their race too...

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 08:07

    Caterham?

    I wish i had one, thinking of heading here this weekend http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224083_10150184991906272_509156271_7047387_7132340_n.jpg

    http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229093_10150184991521272_509156271_7047376_3212815_n.jpg

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 08:08

    I wonder if MotoGP will be using them for their race too...

    I think so, cal cruchlow is going

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 08:09

    I think so, cal cruchlow is going

    Is Simon Gillett invited? :D

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 08:23

    Caterham?

    can I buy one with $120?

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 08:27

    can I buy one with $120?

    Doh!

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 08:28

    Doh!

    told you it wasn't quite $21 million :)

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 08:31

    told you it wasn't quite $21 million :)

    Seems like a lot of bother for that much then!

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 08:32

    Interesting bit from Adrian Newey regarding Senna's crash

    http://www.manipef1.com/news/articles/12196/

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 08:34

    Seems like a lot of bother for that much then!

    only takes 10 seconds to scan, 10 seconds work for $120 is better than I do at my real job :D

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 08:54

    Interesting bit from Adrian Newey regarding Senna's crash

    I'm afraid that's not an impartial statement. Having said that, I'm inclined to believe him.

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 08:55

    can I buy one with $120?

    Yeah, a die-cast one!

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 08:55

    I'm afraid that's not an impartial statement. Having said that, I'm inclined to believe him.

    True.

    Odd - Brundle mentioned it at the Senna premiere. He said that from the in car, it simply doesn't look like a steering failure from the motion that we can see.

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 08:59

    only takes 10 seconds to scan, 10 seconds work for $120 is better than I do at my real job :D

    That is true!

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:08

    Is Simon Gillett invited? :D

    ooh, now there is a man who's not welcome back into f1.

    ...in which case he's bound have his own talk show by xmas :)

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 09:14

    ooh, now there is a man who's not welcome back into f1.

    Because of the earth car Honda thing?

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 09:15

    ooh, now there is a man who's not welcome back into f1.

    Because of the earth car Honda thing?

    See, you've already forgotten! :D

    He's the guy who bought Donington Park and ran it into the ground.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:15

    Because of the earth car Honda thing?

    holy.....

    See, you've already forgotten! :D

    just.... wow.

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 09:16

    I wonder how prosecuting sutil will go down in the f1 paddock? Will he be in bernies bad books, will the other teams like LRGP even less?

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:17

    Because of the earth car Honda thing?

    ahh, you mean simon fuller, i'm guessing?

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 09:17

    ahh, you mean simon fuller, i'm guessing?

    He made Christine sick

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 09:18

    I wonder how prosecuting sutil will go down in the f1 paddock? Will he be in bernies bad books, will the other teams like LRGP even less?

    f1scoop made a good point:

    Lux to file Sutil complaint in a country he doesn't live in, which has no extradition treaty with Sutil's home country. Good luck with that!

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:18

    He made Christine sick

    he didn't force her to drink the free booze :)

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:19

    I wonder how prosecuting sutil will go down in the f1 paddock? Will he be in bernies bad books, will the other teams like LRGP even less?

    they probably think he's a pain in the neck...

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 09:20

    he didn't force her to drink the free booze :)

    shhh!

    I was talking about the earth pod camping things that gave her a chill!

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 09:21

    PS. this whole conversation is #confidentualfromchristine ;)

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:21

    I was talking about the earth pod camping things that gave her a chill!

    yeah, the drink helped not hindered her, i'm sure :)

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 09:22

    yeah, the drink helped not hindered her, i'm sure :)

    They were different years!

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 09:22

    yeah, the drink helped not hindered her, i'm sure :)

    Well it has meant that Crofty has remembered her ever since :)

    #insomuchtroublenow

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:22

    They were different years!

    oh, ooops.

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 09:23

    They were different years!

    How can Christine be reading these messages?

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 09:23

    ahh, you mean simon fuller, i'm guessing?

    Yeah sorry. Got them confused for some reason. I'm over Gillett hating because Donington was saved, but yeah I don't want to see him near F1 ever again.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 09:24

    I'm over Gillett hating because Donington was save

    you're too forgiving, we need to work on that :)

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 09:32

    they probably think he's a pain in the neck...

    hehe!

    Im sure things similar to this have gone down in the past though between paddock people without it going to court? (maybe not with an 'accidental' glass to the neck though)

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 10:16

    Silverstone said they would have radio coverage of the wing launch from 11 http://twitter.com/#!/SilverstoneUK/statuses/70407535982682112

    Cant hear anything yet.. http://www.silverstone.co.uk/ (bottom right)

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 10:24

    Cant hear anything yet.. http://www.silverstone.co.uk/ (bottom right)

    They say it is working, I cant get nadda. Can anyone in the UK make it work?

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 10:26

    In sad news, the worlds oldest panda has died http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/17/general-as-china-oldest-panda_8469837.html

    Apparently the zoo she was at loans pandas...

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 10:47

    In sad news, the worlds oldest panda has died www.forbes.com/fe…anda_8469837.html

    34 is oooold.

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 10:48

    34 is oooold.

    I'm always super impressed when animals are older than I am :)

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 10:48

    Apparently the zoo she was at loans pandas...

    every panda in the world that isn't in China is on loan from China.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 10:49

    I'm back! Had a massive IT fail before...

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 10:49

    34 is oooold.

    I agree... That's really ooooooolddddd...

    #confidentualfromKatherine

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 10:50

    every panda in the world that isn't in China is on loan from China.

    Oh, didnt know that.

    Wonder what the deposit it...

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 10:50

    I agree... That's really ooooooolddddd...

    Hehehe... oops. Missed the crucial bit

    ...for a panda.

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 10:51

    Oh, didnt know that.

    its something I did not know before I knew Christine :D

    Even if they have babies while they're overseas the babies belong to China.

    Wonder what the deposit it...

    Wikipedia says American zoos pay China $1 million a year for a panda on a 10 year contract.

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 10:53

    Wikipedia says American zoos pay China $1 million a year for a panda on a 10 year contract.

    Sounds like there could be a career opening for a bounty hunter who goes after pandas instead of chocolate!

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 10:54

    Sounds like there could be a career opening for a bounty hunter who goes after pandas instead of chocolate!

    That's the reason they're endangered!

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 11:02

    That's the reason they're endangered!

    You could take care of them, just rent them out to zoos for say half price.

    It could fund a panda F1 team!

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 11:07

    I agree... That's really ooooooolddddd...

    Hehehe... oops. Missed the crucial bit

    ...for a panda.

    The age gap between Katherine and myself is a constant source of amusement (mainly for me I'd have to say)

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 11:27

    Play-tested what looks like being my new computer this morning. It was going great - Sims 2 flies on it - until my attention drifted and the teenage Sim in the apartment left the cooker on. When her toaster pastry caught fire, the frame rate dropped to about 1 frame per second...

    Methinks the first upgrade will be a dedicated graphics card...

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 11:28

    I dont know if i have broken it, but radio silverstone doenst seem to be about the presentation, im getting someone talking about art here http://tunein.com/radio/Radio-Silverstone-RS247-s137373/

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 11:31

    Apparently the zoo she was at loans pandas...

    I initially misread that bit of the article as "the zoo also loans zoos to pandas" :D

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 11:33

    Small post ping: http://mrschristine.com/2011/05/17/celebrating-the-final-shuttle-launches/

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 11:34

    Im sure things similar to this have gone down in the past though between paddock people without it going to court? (maybe not with an 'accidental' glass to the neck though)

    There's one in Eddie Jordan's book about a "soon-to-become-ex-mechanic" on his team getting involved in a fight back in 1993, but that was in the pitlane.

    My guess is that you are right provided there are no journalists on duty involved (which there was in the example I gave). The injury severity probably swung Eric Lux's decision to sue - most bar brawls don't end in people getting stitches for any reason).

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 11:40

    My guess is that you are right provided there are no journalists on duty involved (which there was in the example I gave). The injury severity probably swung Eric Lux's decision to sue - most bar brawls don't end in people getting stitches for any reason).

    I dont think he suing, he is bringing criminal charges.

    It could make next years Chinese GP more fun

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 11:41

    Lux to file Sutil complaint in a country he doesn't live in, which has no extradition treaty with Sutil's home country. Good luck with that!

    France doesn't have an extradition treaty with Germany? That's partly what the European Arrest Warrant is for. Of course, if the judge says China should be ruling on the matter, this case could run and run (due to lack of agreement with either France or Germany concerning extraditions to China).

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 11:41

    It could make next years Chinese GP more fun

    Hehee... Sutil to be dropped for the 2012 Chinese GP only. Apparently he may have a sore neck that weekend...

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 11:42

    Toby Moody asked the F1 drivers their views on their viewsof the moto gp crash we were talking about on sunday:

    All the great names here at Silverstone. All the F1 drivers I've spoken to say Ped/Sic incident was just racing. That's what it is.

    http://twitter.com/tobymoody/statuses/70443794687995904

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 11:42

    I dont think he suing, he is bringing criminal charges.

    Argh! The distinctions between civil and criminal law (I meant he was bringing a case but picked the wrong word for the type of case...) Sorry.

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 11:44

    I dont think he suing, he is bringing criminal charges.

    Argh! The distinctions between civil and criminal law (I meant he was bringing a case but picked the wrong word for the type of case...) Sorry.

    But IIRC, Sutil will be facing criminal charges, not civil ones.

  • Sidepodcast Update17/05/2011 at 11:45
  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 11:45

    All the great names here at Silverstone. All the F1 drivers I've spoken to say Ped/Sic incident was just racing. That's what it is.

    Interesting. That said, such incidents tend to have bigger impacts on bikes compared to cars due to its inherent lack of protection.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 11:57

    All the great names here at Silverstone. All the F1 drivers I've spoken to say Ped/Sic incident was just racing. That's what it is.

    ped/sic?

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 11:58

    ped/sic?

    Pedrosa/Simoncelli, from the MotoGP race last Sunday.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 11:58

    most bar brawls don't end in people getting stitches for any reason).

    hehe, you need to drink in more interesting pubs!

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 11:59

    Pedrosa/Simoncelli, from the MotoGP race last Sunday.

    They did the opposite of F1 and went for an immediate 'Ride though' penalty as opposed to hearings after the race

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 12:00

    Pedrosa/Simoncelli, from the MotoGP race last Sunday.

    oooh. why are they asking f1 drivers?

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 12:01

    oooh. why are they asking f1 drivers?

    Guess he wanted a neutral opinion, a lot of the motogp guys dont like him so may have been a little biased

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 12:02

    Pedrosa/Simoncelli, from the MotoGP race last Sunday.

    oooh. why are they asking f1 drivers?

    probably because they could. it's a very dividing topic in the MotoGP paddock. fans are also divided on what happened.

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 12:03

    They did the opposite of F1 and went for an immediate 'Ride though' penalty as opposed to hearings after the race

    F1 did that back in the day. Just ask Juan Pablo Montoya. :D

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 12:07

    oooh. why are they asking f1 drivers?

    Because all the MotoGP riders are scared of Simoncelli because he's fast and can beat the works riders on a customer bike. Hence they all got together and complained that he's dangerous before the race.

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 12:09

    Because all the MotoGP riders are scared of Simoncelli because he's fast and can beat the works riders on a customer bike. Hence they all got together and complained that he's dangerous before the race.

    One question: isn't SIC's bike a works bike with full HRC support? I mean, yes, he's in a customer team, but for all intents and purposes, it's a works ride.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 12:11

    One question: isn't SIC's bike a works bike with full HRC support? I mean, yes, he's in a customer team, but for all intents and purposes, it's a works ride.

    I have no idea. Probably, due to the fact that the field is so weak?

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 12:12

    I have no idea. Probably, due to the fact that the field is so weak?

    Yup. And probably because HRC does know he's that quick. He was starting to look a much better bet than Dovizioso, and should've been in line to replace him at Repsol Honda next year. Not sure if last weekend's events change that or not.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 12:14

    Yup. And probably because HRC does know he's that quick. He was starting to look a much better bet than Dovizioso, and should've been in line to replace him at Repsol Honda next year. Not sure if last weekend's events change that or not.

    Well I think he broke Pedrosa, so..

  • Journeyer17/05/2011 at 12:17

    Yup. And probably because HRC does know he's that quick. He was starting to look a much better bet than Dovizioso, and should've been in line to replace him at Repsol Honda next year. Not sure if last weekend's events change that or not.

    Well I think he broke Pedrosa, so..

    HRC is in no hurry to replace him, IMO. They're running 3 bikes as it is - they can afford not to run his team and just run with 2 bikes (Stoner/Dovi).

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 12:21

    Via @MartinHaven

    RT @bikesportnews: Button to rossi: 'you guys are mental. We dont get close enough to punch each other'

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 12:46

    Via @MartinHaven

    RT @bikesportnews: Button to rossi: 'you guys are mental. We dont get close enough to punch each other'

    :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 12:46

    A bit of soothing lunchtime muzak...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehihWNMgMY

    :)

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 12:54

    road trip: http://yfrog.com/h3s6kdej

    w00t!

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 12:55

    road trip: http://yfrog.com/h3s6kdej

    400 miles to Barcelona!! #F1roadtrip

    blimey.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 12:57

    400 miles to Barcelona!! #F1roadtrip

    oooooooh!

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 12:57

    400 miles to Barcelona!! #F1roadtrip

    Ooooh, photos of masts coming up then?

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 12:59

    Ooooh, photos of masts coming up then?

    can't tell if anyone is with jas, crofty is in a field in the middle of nowhere looking at the new wing thing :)

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:01

    Lots of F1/motogp crossover today:

    @MBrundleF1 This made my day big time. Mega yfrog.com/h2572fuj

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:01

    You see, I find this unbelievably ridiculous

    http://www.globalmontreal.com/Habs+Basha+restaurant/4792130/story.html

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:01

    @MBrundleF1 This made my day big time. Mega yfrog.com/h2572fuj

    http://yfrog.com/h2572fuj

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:04

    @MBrundleF1 This made my day big time. Mega yfrog.com/h2572fuj

    http://yfrog.com/h2572fuj

    i have no idea who all these people are?

    ...and don't say martin brundle, he's a television commentator.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:05

    i have no idea who all these people are?

    :o

    That's Valentino Rossi

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:06

    ...and don't say martin brundle, he's a television commentator.

    :)

    Thats the guy who button said was mental

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:06

    That's Valentino Rossi

    oh right. the guy who didn't want to become a ferrari driver?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:06

    oh right. the guy who didn't want to become a ferrari driver?

    Yep

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:06

    i have no idea who all these people are?

    That's because you don't like the sport. He's Valentino Rossi, the one who keeps flirting with Ferraris and WRC...

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:07

    That's because you don't like the sport. He's Valentino Rossi, the one who keeps flirting with Ferraris and WRC...

    tart ;)

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:07

    That's because you don't like the sport. He's Valentino Rossi, the one who keeps flirting with Ferraris and WRC...

    I can still imagine him in a rally car, even if it is the odd one-off

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:07

    You see, I find this unbelievably ridiculous

    Nuts. I see why they asked him to take the banner down, but he did, so why sue him?

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:07

    tart ;)

    He's Italian. Luigi only follow da Ferraris!

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:08

    Brilliant picture by ted :D http://twitpic.com/4yugym

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:08

    Nuts. I see why they asked him to take the banner down, but he did, so why sue him?

    And also, they decided that their banner is worth $1,000 per day - eh.. pulling numbers out of thin air. That team needs to be slammed or just win damages of 1c

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:09

    Brilliant picture by ted :D http://twitpic.com/4yugym

    Caption: "I'm not gonna moan, I just dont want to, ok"

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:10

    And also, they decided that their banner is worth $1,000 per day - eh.. pulling numbers out of thin air. That team needs to be slammed or just win damages of 1c

    Where did they get that figure from?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:10

    Where did they get that figure from?

    Thin air I think

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:16

    You see, I find this unbelievably ridiculous

    www.globalmontrea…792130/story.html

    no different from mclaren banning unlap from using their image on his mugs.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:22

    no different from mclaren banning unlap from using their image on his mugs.

    That is different, because Unlap was selling them. Supporting your local team in such a manner is neither unusual nor of definitive economic benefit.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:23

    no different from mclaren banning unlap from using their image on his mugs.

    Unlap were selling McLaren goods without permission.

    This guy was selling kebabs with an advert showing the local hockey team without permission.

    The question is, did he benefit from the banner? probably. But he was asked to remove it and did. So was Unlap. As far as I know, McLaren haven't subsequently sued him for it.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:23

    That is different, because Unlap was selling them. Supporting your local team in such a manner is neither unusual nor of definitive economic benefit.

    it's no different, except the restaurant sells seats inside their premises.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:24

    Dimitris has Sutil's reaction statement on his blog:

    @f1enigma The full statement of Adrian Sutil in English, after the Lux one, can be found at my blog (http://bit.ly/cXyH2b)

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:24

    Unlap were selling McLaren goods without permission.

    luke was not selling mclaren goods? he was selling his own goods which featured a likeness to mclaren's brand.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:26

    That is different, because Unlap was selling them. Supporting your local team in such a manner is neither unusual nor of definitive economic benefit.

    so why didn't the guy just hang the poster outside his house?

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:27

    luke was not selling mclaren goods? he was selling his own goods which featured a likeness to mclaren's brand.

    Labelled as McLaren goods, which people purchased as likenesses to McLaren goods. Isn't that what Joe Saward referred to as passing off when discussing Group vs. Team Lotus?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:27

    it's no different, except the restaurant sells seats inside their premises.

    Luke sold specific goods based on McLaren's likeness. The restaurant did not.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:27

    so why didn't the guy just hang the poster outside his house?

    Technically that wouldn't have made a difference.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:27

    Labelled as McLaren goods, which people purchased as likenesses to McLaren goods. Isn't that what Joe Saward referred to as passing off when discussing Group vs. Team Lotus?

    it was passing off. and that banner suggests the team support the guys restaurant. which they don't.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:28

    so why didn't the guy just hang the poster outside his house?

    he still would've been hammered

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:28

    Technically that wouldn't have made a difference.

    my guess is no-one would have filed a complaint. just a hunch.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:28

    Luke sold specific goods based on McLaren's likeness. The restaurant did not.

    did you read the article?

    "contained unauthorized use of the Habs logo"

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:29

    Technically that wouldn't have made a difference.

    It would, He gained customers using an unauthorized logo suggesting affiliation with the team within eyeshot of the stadium.

    Having it on his house would probably have just got him some car toots

    He should have taken it down when he got the first warning,

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:29

    He should have taken it down when he got the first warning,

    agreed.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:30

    my guess is no-one would have filed a complaint. just a hunch.

    That's not my problem though. I agree that the NHL team asked him to remove the banner, just like I agree that McLaren asked Unlap to stop selling the goods.

    What I don't get is that after removing the banner, he was sued by the NHL team for having the banner in the first place? $89,000 is a lot of money to a restaurant...

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:30

    He should have taken it down when he got the first warning,

    He complied with the first warning

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:31

    He should have taken it down when he got the first warning,

    He complied with all warnings, removed the banner when asked and was then sued.

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:33

    He complied with all warnings, removed the banner when asked and was then sued.

    He didn't

    "It all started on December 16, 2010. That’s when Basha restaurant hung a giant banner containing the Canadiens’ copyrighted symbol." ... "That same day, Issa received a letter from a lawyer representing the NHL and the Canadiens. It demanded the banner be taken down, citing unauthorized use of the Canadiens symbol"

    He should have taken it down then

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:33

    He complied with the first warning

    you're reading a different article to me:

    "It demanded the banner be taken down"

    "Issa responded by removing the CH on the picture."

    that's not compliance!

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:35

    you're reading a different article to me:

    Seems like I have. Did the subsequent letters ask him to take the banner down too?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:35

    "It demanded the banner be taken down"

    It demanded the banner be taken down, citing unauthorized use of the Canadiens symbol.

    This is where context helps and confusion occurs. The club should have been more explicit.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:35

    He should have taken it down then

    has to be said, i'm impressed by the lawyer who filed the letter the day the banner went up. in this country that would've taken a month :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:36

    has to be said, i'm impressed by the lawyer who filed the letter the day the banner went up. in this country that would've taken a month :)

    Admittedly, I found that curious. I would thought the next day at least

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:37

    This is where context helps and confusion occurs. The club should have been more explicit.

    Regardless, I don't see why after taking the banner down he got sued.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:37

    i also wonder how a man who owns enough real estate to hang a 20ft banner, would struggle to pay $89k?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:37

    Regardless, I don't see why after taking the banner down he got sued.

    Lawyers + organisations = idiots.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:38

    i also wonder how a man who owns enough real estate to hang a 20ft banner, would struggle to pay $89k?

    Maybe he's paying huge rents for that real estate.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:38

    i also wonder how a man who owns enough real estate to hang a 20ft banner, would struggle to pay $89k?

    He may not own the whole building.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:39

    He may not own the whole building.

    Also true.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:41

    the guy is not getting any publicity from this, nope: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110516/habs-nhl-restaurant-110516/

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 13:41

    hehe, you need to drink in more interesting pubs!

    I don't drink in pubs and haven't since chess club at uni was held in one, but some of my friends at uni spent more time in pubs than they did on their coursework (hence the joke that they got a joint degree in drunken studies) and never reported anything like that. In fact, the total number of incidents that made it to the student paper involving anyone getting hospitalised for anything other than excessive drunkenness was one. In three years.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:42

    the guy is not getting any publicity from this, nope: www.ctv.ca/CTVNew…estaurant-110516/

    The club gave him the opening to do this. Had they been civil about just removing the sign, this might have gone away.

    I would completely the same thing in his position and actually applaud his opportunism.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 13:43

    I would completely the same thing in his position and actually applaud his opportunism.

    fair enough.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:44

    The club gave him the opening to do this. Had they been civil about just removing the sign, this might have gone away.

    I agree. OK, so he did it to pass off and get bums on seats, but the NHL team have given him 100x more publicity by acting how they did.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:44

    fair enough.

    The club may be legally right, but they have painted themselves as the bad guys here and people should take advantage in that situation.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 13:48

    The club may be legally right, but they have painted themselves as the bad guys here and people should take advantage in that situation.

    Agreed. What's $89,000 to them from the little guy?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:50

    Agreed. What's $89,000 to them from the little guy?

    Nothing, but they could have saved so much face had they just used common sense.

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 13:51

    I agree. OK, so he did it to pass off and get bums on seats, but the NHL team have given him 100x more publicity by acting how they did.

    And now he has to pay them 89K for that publicity!

    Someone should suggest he puts a sidepodcast themed banner up... :P

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 13:52

    And now he has to pay them 89K for that publicity!

    As I said, the judge could also award 1c to the club. The club should have been more explicit - there's a strong case here for the club not being clear enough.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:00

    I agree. OK, so he did it to pass off and get bums on seats, but the NHL team have given him 100x more publicity by acting how they did.

    they've also shown that they are actively defending their trademark(s). which is what you have to do to keep a trademark. so they may have gained from it all too.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:00

    Agreed. What's $89,000 to them from the little guy?

    have you seen the size of his place?

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 14:02

    have you seen the size of his place?

    No, just the back of his building. I have no idea about the size or worth of his business, nor do I care.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:03

    so they may have gained from it all too.

    Gained face? By going after a club supporter who runs an independent restaurant?? Not a chance.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 14:03

    the guy is not getting any publicity from this, nope: www.ctv.ca/CTVNew…estaurant-110516/

    Controversies always generate publicity. Nonetheless, if the letter specified the logo without also specifying the other illegal elements of the poster, then by removing the logo the restaurant complied (the team didn't have the right to forbid the banner, only the right to forbid their intellectual property being depicted on it). Common sense should have indicated removal of the other elements to avoid future trouble but an element-by-element approach to "cease and desist" invites an element-by-element removal quite legally.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:03

    No, just the back of his building. I have no idea about the size or worth of his business, nor do I care.

    you called him the little guy. maybe he's a short-arse ;)

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:04

    Gained face?

    did i say they 'gained face'???

    i said: "they've also shown that they are actively defending their trademark(s). which is what you have to do to keep a trademark."

    ee-by-gum

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:04

    you called him the little guy. maybe he's a short-arse ;)

    He's been played as and is playing "the little guy". The size of his business instantly becomes irrelevant in the eyes of publicity.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 14:05

    Gained face? By going after a club supporter who runs an independent restaurant?? Not a chance.

    Not face, money. It means they can continue to sell merchandise at official prices.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:05

    He's been played as and is playing "the little guy". The size of his business instantly becomes irrelevant in the eyes of publicity.

    you're being played...

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 14:06

    He's been played as and is playing "the little guy". The size of his business instantly becomes irrelevant in the eyes of publicity.

    The media likes to do that though. Could well be that the guy is a multi millionaire. The end result is that the NHL team looks bad for going after him, whether they are doing the right thing or not.

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 14:06

    At the end of the day, everyone wins.

    The fine is big enough to make sure other people dont steal there trademarks, the guy benefits from being seen as the little guy and gets more business which will allow him to pay the fine

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:06

    At the end of the day, everyone wins.

    true story.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:06

    you're being played...

    How am I being played? The guy shouldn't have put up the banner, but the club never should have chased him in this manner.

    It's how the media works.

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 14:06

    At the end of the day, everyone wins.

    Agreed. I'm sure he does have the money, I just don't personally agree that the NHL team should be suing him.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:08

    the club never should have chased him in this manner.

    if they didn't ever chase anyone, they are not adequately protecting their trademarks.

    go ask the makers of the yo-yo about that one.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:10

    if they didn't ever chase anyone, they are not adequately protecting their trademarks.

    They had three opportunities to close the issue - they failed each time

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 14:10

    This story is bizarre: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13417930

    Parents naming their child Like just because of Facebook. But then they also called their child Pie.

    Can't imagine being called Pie would encourage any kind of bullying at all!

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:10

    Parents naming their child Like just because of Facebook. But then they also called their child Pie.

    PIE!

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 14:10

    PIE!

    Hehehe.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:11

    Can't imagine being called Pie would encourage any kind of bullying at all!

    They should have called him "π"

    :)

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:12

    They had three opportunities to close the issue - they failed each time

    yeah and fadl had four opportunities to close the issue. the first being not being so daft in the first place.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 14:12

    if they didn't ever chase anyone, they are not adequately protecting their trademarks.

    They should have listed all their complaints with the poster the first time around. That way it could have been fixed once, resulting in better compliance, less infringement and much less fuss for all concerned.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:13

    yeah and fadl had four opportunities to close the issue. the first being not being so daft in the first place.

    They didn't ask him to remove it, they asked to remove various parts. They need to be completely specific.

    They should have listed all their complaints with the poster the first time around. That way it could have been fixed once, resulting in better compliance, less infringement and much less fuss for all concerned.

    Nail on head.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 14:13

    They should have called him "π"

    :D (not sure whether the registry office would have approved though...)

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:16

    They should have listed all their complaints with the poster the first time around. That way it could have been fixed once, resulting in better compliance, less infringement and much less fuss for all concerned.

    they asked for the illegal banner to be removed. how specific does one have to be?

    - "take that down"

    - "which bit?"

    - "huh???"

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:16

    :D (not sure whether the registry office would have approved though...)

    Imagine what it's like to Prince's children..?

  • RubberGoat17/05/2011 at 14:16

    Can't imagine being called Pie would encourage any kind of bullying at all!

    Third child is called I, then when they call the kids in for dinner all the parents have to shout is "I LIKE PIE!!!" :)

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 14:17

    Third child is called I, then when they call the kids in for dinner all the parents have to shout is "I LIKE PIE!!!" :)

    :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:17

    they asked for the illegal banner to be removed. how specific does one have to be?

    As I pointed out, he was was not clearly asked to take down the banner as it made specific reference to the logo.

    He took down the logo. He therefore complied.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 14:18

    they asked for the illegal banner to be removed. how specific does one have to be?

    The club doesn't have the right to demand the entire banner be removed if the offending item(s) on the banner are removed when the compliance notice is sent.

  • Mr C17/05/2011 at 14:22

    i officially give up with the sidepodcast comments, i shall spend the rest of my days talking to the brick wall opposite me. it's more fun and it talks way more sense. enjoy the season, this isn't remotely a fun way to spend my spare time any more.

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 14:23

    i officially give up with the sidepodcast comments, i shall spend the rest of my days talking to the brick wall opposite me. it's more fun and it talks way more sense. enjoy the season, this isn't remotely a fun way to spend my spare time any more.

    are you still hungover? :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 14:23

    i officially give up with the sidepodcast comments, i shall spend the rest of my days talking to the brick wall opposite me. it's more fun and it talks way more sense. enjoy the season, this isn't remotely a fun way to spend my spare time any more.

    Fair enough, but I'm just using the same arguments that will probably be brought up during the case.

    Sorry if that bores you.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 14:35

    So, time for another Positive Day then.

    I like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ&feature=player_embedded

    It's quite eye-boggling though.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 14:43

    F1Minute Ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/pirelli-tweak-hard-tyre-compound-for-upcoming-spanish-grand-prix

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 15:13

    i officially give up with the sidepodcast comments, i shall spend the rest of my days talking to the brick wall opposite me. it's more fun and it talks way more sense. enjoy the season, this isn't remotely a fun way to spend my spare time any more.

    Did me agreeing with mr c break him?

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 15:14

    Did me agreeing with mr c break him?

    :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 15:14

    Did me agreeing with mr c break him?

    here was far too much oblique camaraderie going down

    ;)

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 15:15

    Did me agreeing with mr c break him?

    What with your talking sense in the photographer thread too... there's something up with the universe :)

  • Amy17/05/2011 at 15:15

    What with your talking sense in the photographer thread too... there's something up with the universe :)

    is this happening because Alison is there and shes using his computer?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 15:16

    is this happening because Alison is there and shes using his computer?

    Hahaa

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 15:23

    is this happening because Alison is there and shes using his computer?

    Hehe no, not this trip!

  • Nick17/05/2011 at 15:28

    Nice pic twitpic.com/4yv8ek

    Shame Lewis didn't turn up! #rankings

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 15:29

    Nice pic twitpic.com/4yv8ek

    Shame Lewis didn't turn up! #rankings

    Sure does look cold...

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 15:31

    Nice pic twitpic.com/4yv8ek

    It's very pointy.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 15:40

    It's very pointy.

    I wouldn't like to fall on it

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 15:48

    I like this: www.youtube.com/w…e=player_embedded

    That's rather trippy but very cool. I saw so many different 2D and 3D shapes there!

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 15:48

    That's rather trippy but very cool. I saw so many different 2D and 3D shapes there!

    Just when you think they're in line, it starts all over again!

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 15:56

    Just when you think they're in line, it starts all over again!

    There's some weird resonant effects going on in there - but it makes for a great optical illusion

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 16:10

    Oh dear - looks like the FIA have banned off throttle diffusers - in an attempt to peg back red bull? http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91475

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 16:26

    This is interesting, if slightly enormous: http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/SciFiNow_DoctorWho_Infograp1.jpg

    Chart of loads of Doctor Who things.

  • James17/05/2011 at 16:30

    This is interesting, if slightly enormous: www.scifinow.co.u…Who_Infograp1.jpg

    Chart of loads of Doctor Who things.

    Blimey...

  • James17/05/2011 at 16:35

    Blimey...

    I am impressed though. just the amount of work that would have taken is mind blowing.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 16:36

    I am impressed though. just the amount of work that would have taken is mind blowing.

    Absolutely, where would you even start?

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 16:41

    Wow amazed people wouldn't step back and think about the impression they are creating if one of the hosts doesn't want to take part in the comments any more?

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 16:45

    Oh dear - looks like the FIA have banned off throttle diffusers - in an attempt to peg back red bull? www.autosport.com…port.php/id/91475

    Was just reading that, engines are for power not for aero tweaks

    Afternoon all

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 16:46

    Alex: Did you hear about the Senna screening at Clapham?

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:02

    Sorry if that bores you.

    Going over the conversation, I didn't read the word 'bore' at all or get that sentiment

    I'm just using the same arguments that will probably be brought up during the case.

    Will you settle out of court too :)

  • jpancoast17/05/2011 at 17:18

    Will you settle out of court too :)

    This is why we need a cross-site flame war. We need to focus our efforts on fighting the other sites, not each other!

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:19

    This is why we need a cross-site flame war. We need to focus our efforts on fighting the other sites, not each other!

    I'm sure there'll be an update in the flame war in someone's podcast soon. It's been a while :D

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 17:23

    I'm sure there'll be an update in the flame war in someone's podcast soon. It's been a while :D

    I think peace was achieved when they blogged about Amy.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:24

    I think peace was achieved when they blogged about Amy.

    Too amiable by far :D

  • Lukeh17/05/2011 at 17:27

    Hiya guys!

    Chart of loads of Doctor Who things.

    I don't know why but It makes me laugh on the Tennant bit for historical characters.

    Queen victoria, madame de pompadour and, well, satan.

  • jpancoast17/05/2011 at 17:27

    I think peace was achieved when they blogged about Amy.

    We should get formula1blog.com involved. We American's are much better at this flame war thing... ;)

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 17:27

    Alex: Did you hear about the Senna screening at Clapham?

    Ooh no I didn't.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:30

    Ooh no I didn't.

    Director Q&A at the Picture House

    Mon 6th June 8:15pm - ya fancy?

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:30

    Director Q&A at the Picture House

    And the film, obviously ;)

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 17:32

    We should get formula1blog.com involved. We American's are much better at this flame war thing... ;)

    Hehe, I'm pretty happy with how that one went.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:33

    Director Q&A at the Picture House

    Mon 6th June 8:15pm - ya fancy?

    Is about half sold so far, not sure when it was anounced but I found out yesterday

    £9.80 each inc booking

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 17:41

    Queen victoria, madame de pompadour and, well, satan.

    satan is an historical figure is he? glad we don't have to worry about him any more

  • Sidepodcast Update17/05/2011 at 17:45
  • Christine17/05/2011 at 17:53

    Christine's Rankings day today, so if you have any suggestions for drivers or teams, I am all ears.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:54

    Christine's Rankings day today, so if you have any suggestions for drivers or teams, I am all ears.

    Nominated Mark Webber before the weekend and tagged it

    Something about the flag at Buck House

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 17:58

    Evening.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 17:59

    Hi Pat

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:04

    Points for HRT..?

    Hispania Racing supports the Murcia football team in the charity match against Real Madrid

    Hispania Racing will make a donation to the victims of the earthquake in Lorca by supporting a team made up of players from Murcia in their friendly match against Real Madrid which will take place tomorrow, Wednesday the 18th of May, at 19:00h, at the Nueva Condomina stadium.

    The President of Hispania Racing, José Ramón Carabante and the President of Murcia Basketball Club, Luis Carabante, will attend the game.

    José Ramón Carabante, Presidente de Hispania Racing: “As I said last week, Murcia is a very special place for me and, given the relationship between the team and this city, we have decided to put our part in and will be at the game tomorrow”.

    “I urge all the fans to fill up the stadium, not because of the quality of the game, which of course will be a fantastic spectacle, but because of how important it is for everyone to chip in, every little bit counts towards those who have lost a relative or their house”.

    All money raised by the match will go to the victims of the earthquake. The encounter will be televised on Spanish national television.

    The ticket offices at the Nueva Condomina will be open today, Tuesday, from 17:00 to 19:00 and tomorrow from 10:00 to 14:00 and from 17:00 until the start of the match.

    Ticket prices range from five euros for children to thirty euros for the best seat in the house. For those who can’t attend the game but wish to help with a donation, they can do so through Fila 0, set up by the Murcian Football Federation.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 18:08

    Posterous ping: http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/f1minute-gets-a-new-icon

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:09

    Posterous ping: sidepodcast.poste…e-gets-a-new-icon

    Nice one. I thought I spotted something different about the Twitter logo yesterday. :)

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:10

    The new Silverstone Wing is looking impressive now it is finished, must admit to being sceptical through the build but I like it.

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 18:15

    Christine's Rankings day today, so if you have any suggestions for drivers or teams, I am all ears.

    I think I put something in last week's thread but I have no idea what

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 18:16

    I think I put something in last week's thread but I have no idea what

    About Webbo.

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 18:17
  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 18:19

    About Webbo.

    I have no idea. I think it was something I saw the day after the rankings were published.

    I decided to check and you are right

    http://sidepodcast.com/post/heikki-kovalainen-takes-the-lead-again-in-christines-rankings#comment-1090608

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 18:19

    I decided to check and you are right

    I check the previous threads, and I search the week's comments for "rankings" and "points".

    This week was quite tricky because the Eurovision thread is full of "12 points for Jedward!" type things :)

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 18:20

    The new Silverstone Wing is looking impressive now it is finished, must admit to being sceptical through the build but I like it.

    agree. still a rubbish name though. :-)

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 18:21

    This week was quite tricky because the Eurovision thread is full of "12 points for Jedward!" type things :)

    I think Jedward should get -12 points if that helps at all

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:24

    agree. still a rubbish name though. :-)

    Yep

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:27

    So the the 2nd and 3rd guys in the GP3 Series will not be racing this weekend...

    Now Tom Dillmann is out:

    @TomDillmann: I won't be racing GP3 in Barcelona this weekend. After the Pole in Istanbul and being P3 in the championship it is really disappointing...

    @TomDillmann: I'm already working hard with my management to be back for the third #GP3 round in Valencia. Better news to come for this weekend...

    Hmmm...

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:28

    So the the 2nd and 3rd guys in the GP3 Series will not be racing this weekend...

    The price of running on the F1 bill may be too high

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:29

    Tiago Monteiro's going to Le Mans, if you are a fan... He's replacing Lehaye at OAK who was injured at Spa.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:29

    The price of running on the F1 bill may be too high

    I still have no idea how the GP2 guys get by... ¢2.2 million per season...

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:30

    Tiago Monteiro's going to Le Mans, if you are a fan... He's replacing Lehaye at OAK who was injured at Spa.

    BTW... I've been hearing lots of little extra's about Highcroft

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:30

    BTW... I've been hearing lots of little extra's about Highcroft

    Oh? They promised they had something in the works.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:33

    Oh? They promised they had something in the works.

    Apparently ALMS is in such deep ****, that teams are looking for a way out / to another series, hence Highcroft's looks to IndyCar.

    Apparently something may have collapsed in the meantime, leaving them with little / nothing to go to. The current TV deal ALMS is really hitting the teams very hard.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:36

    :D

    @HVMracing: It's freezing. So what's the logical thing to do while we wait? Eat Blue Bunny ice cream! http://ow.ly/i/bGYk

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 18:37

    This week was quite tricky because the Eurovision thread is full of "12 points for Jedward!" type things :)

    So Jedward may be topping Christine's rankings?

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:38

    Apparently ALMS is in such deep ****, that teams are looking for a way out / to another series, hence Highcroft's looks to IndyCar.

    The front end has fallen apart, GT is still fairly strong though? The need to add a couple of spec classes to bulk the field a while ago wasn't a good sign though.

    The current TV deal ALMS is really hitting the teams very hard.

    That was a terrible decision, everyone said so at the time, but I think it must run deeper than that. There must be a reason why they had to take that deal rather than all live on actual TV.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:39

    By the way, is anyone here going to the World Series by Renault races at Silverstone later this year?

    They're free...

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 18:39

    By the way, is anyone here going to the World Series by Renault races at Silverstone later this year?

    They're free...

    me! me! me!

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 18:40

    The front end has fallen apart, GT is still fairly strong though? The need to add a couple of spec classes to bulk the field a while ago wasn't a good sign though.

    It's also getting hit by a number of other championships going on though.

    That was a terrible decision, everyone said so at the time, but I think it must run deeper than that. There must be a reason why they had to take that deal rather than all live on actual TV.

    Only other option may have been to buy TV time, which was Champ Car's last deal...

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:41

    By the way, is anyone here going to the World Series by Renault races at Silverstone later this year?

    Don't know, having the races split across two days doesn't make the travel cost worthwhile IMO.

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:41

    Don't know, having the races split across two days doesn't make the travel cost worthwhile IMO.

    If you only go on the Sunday I mean

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:42

    It's also getting hit by a number of other championships going on though.

    GrandAm? Maybe.

    Only other option may have been to buy TV time, which was Champ Car's last deal...

    I think they've been doing that up until now.

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 18:51

    By the way, is anyone here going to the World Series by Renault races at Silverstone later this year?

    Don't know, having the races split across two days doesn't make the travel cost worthwhile IMO.

    Mind you the same is true for GT1 and I was thinking of doing that, GT3 as a support race is more appealing to me than Meganes though.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 18:53

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/its-all-about-charity-on-this-weeks-christines-rankings

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 19:00

    Evening. Went for a run earlier. Intervals are hard! http://runkeeper.com/user/RubberGoat/activity/35841087

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 19:01

    It's also getting hit by a number of other championships going on though.

    I wonder what Hindy and co. think?

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 19:02

    Leigh are you around?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:05

    I wonder what Hindy and co. think?

    We'll know tomorrow I think

    Leigh are you around?

    In London or by my laptop?

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 19:13

    In London or by my laptop?

    I meant in the comments, sorry for the confusion.

    I'm sorry to say that I don't like the way the conversation earlier went. And if it's true that Mr C isn't coming back to the comments I think it's fair to say I would have expected a response to his message more akin to an apology.

    I don't want to single you out particularly, but I really am amazed that people who were around at the time could mind so little.

    You were having an argument and he said he was leaving the comments for the rest of the season... I would expect people in the community to be upset by this?

    Mr and Mrs C made this place for us and them. If it's just us who use it, then it ceases to exists.

    I would feel bad if I had seen any user post that today. We are supposed to be a community. The response to his comment seems off.

    Sorry if this in turn seems off.

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 19:17

    I would feel bad if I had seen any user post that today. We are supposed to be a community. The response to his comment seems off.

    I feel bad about it. Sorry Mr. C. if I upset you, man.

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 19:19

    You were having an argument and he said he was leaving the comments for the rest of the season... I would expect people in the community to be upset by this?

    Clearly I have missed something earlier. Unless there were some personal insults which I can't imagine with this community I suggest everyone take time to think about whatever happened.

    I am sure it can all be settled amicably

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 19:27

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/red-bull-and-str-get-team-rankings-points-for-a-great-weekend

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:28

    I would feel bad if I had seen any user post that today. We are supposed to be a community. The response to his comment seems off.

    Fair enough, but I would expect the same in kind.

    To be honest, I saw absolutely nothing wrong with either the argument or the comments - we both had our points of view that were shared with little fuss and then Mr C left a comment that in my eyes seemed like a bit off too.

    To be honest, I forgot about the whole thing straight afterward as it really wasn't that important and certainly not anything worth leaving the chatroom for.

    i shall spend the rest of my days talking to the brick wall opposite me. it's more fun and it talks way more sense. enjoy the season, this isn't remotely a fun way to spend my spare time any more

    We had a discussion, but if someone (anyone) cannot see an opposing point of view, that's really not my problem.

    There were no bad feelings, no insults, no swearing and no apparent bad moods, so I'm struggling to see what the problem is.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 19:29

    To be honest, I forgot about the whole thing straight afterward as it really wasn't that important and certainly not anything worth leaving the chatroom for.

    It's not a chatroom.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:30

    It's not a chatroom.

    Or comments area, I'm not sure of the official name.

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 19:33

    There were no bad feelings, no insults, no swearing and no apparent bad moods, so I'm struggling to see what the problem is.

    The bit where he said he wasn't coming back to the comments?

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 19:33

    There were no bad feelings, no insults, no swearing and no apparent bad moods, so I'm struggling to see what the problem is.

    i'm totally confused. have relevant comments been deleted?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:34

    The bit where he said he wasn't coming back to the comments?

    No idea why he said that. I didn't see anything wrong with anything anyone wrote. He disagreed with me and then went off.

    i'm totally confused. have relevant comments been deleted?

    Not a single one.

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 19:35

    We had a discussion, but if someone (anyone) cannot see an opposing point of view, that's really not my problem.

    You see... I think that's where we disagree. I think that the community is a community. If somebody is exiting the community then it is everyone's problem.

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 19:35

    #points for next week: http://twitpic.com/4yyu5n/full

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 19:35

    #points for next week: http://twitpic.com/4yyu5n/full

    Cool!

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 19:37

    #points for next week: http://twitpic.com/4yyu5n/full

    Ooh, huge new grandstand too. *mental note*

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:38

    You see... I think that's where we disagree. I think that the community is a community. If somebody is exiting the community then it is everyone's problem.

    And again, will I get an apology in kind? Mr C's comment inferred that he was having a conversation with people that weren't talking sense and that he was hitting his head against a brick wall.

    Do I not get the same consideration?

    And why am I being singled out? It was a conversation amongst a number of users who argued on either side of the subject.

  • Pat W17/05/2011 at 19:40

    I might be way out of place here so sorry if I am.

    I'm sorry to say that I don't like the way the conversation earlier went. And if it's true that Mr C isn't coming back to the comments I think it's fair to say I would have expected a response to his message more akin to an apology.

    Like Steven I missed this earlier, but I did read it back just before I posted my 'Evening' greeting, and whilst I appreciate my opinion hasn't been sought (so do ignore it if you like), as a neutral viewer who wasn't there, it seemed pretty small beer compared to the photography thread (and that's quite an understatement). I make the assumption that no comments have been deleted, if they have, ignore me here. Perhaps by not being there 'live', any perceived atmosphere/tone doesn't come across when reading it back, I don't know...

    What I saw was pretty much as Leigh just described. A conversation about a topic, perfectly logically can calmly, but still robustly, argued from both points of view with no insults or bad manners from anyone. That was until one person removes themselves from it for whatever reason. I don't know what that reason is, and Alex I didn't think it was a serious comment about leaving for the season, just thought it was a flippant comment as we all make in the heat of the moment, go away, come back a day or two later, move on.. sort of thing.

    I appreciate trademarks copyright and stuff generates strong opinions for both Mr C and Leigh.

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 19:41

    And why am I being singled out? It was a conversation amongst a number of users who argued on either side of the subject.

    Sorry I didn't mean to single you out you. You seemed to be around. I had posted a more general comment earlier but it got missed.

    Do I not get the same consideration?

    I would hope that you would. But he's not here.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 19:42

    You see... I think that's where we disagree. I think that the community is a community. If somebody is exiting the community then it is everyone's problem.

    I don't see that it is Leigh's place to go crawling to Mr C

    Did anyone at the time take Mr C's exit seriously because it isn't phrased in a serious way - only the lack of a return suggests that it was. maybe I'm missing something of the context not being present at the time...

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:44

    I would hope that you would. But he's not here.

    Maybe this is best saved for when he's back, because I think this is just crossed wired to be honest.

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 19:46

    Well perhaps it's an overreaction from me. And if it is then I appologise.

    But I have noticed a worrying amount of times Mr C has felt the need to remove himself from the comments, and the number of times Christine has had to make a happy place.

    Seems odd to me. Seems like maybe a sign that the community has changed a bit.

    Sorry again if I'm creating a problem and so on. I'm off for a bit now (but I'm coming back).

    Didn't mean to single anyone out again. Sorry if I cause a problem.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:48

    Didn't mean to single anyone out again. Sorry if I cause a problem.

    No hassle at all. To be honest, I've seen heated threads (the photography one is an example), but rarely seen any poor form in the main comments section, but then I miss a lot of stuff when I'm at work.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 19:48

    Seems odd to me. Seems like maybe a sign that the community has changed a bit.

    It's definitely changed a lot, and we've tried to address it a few times, but without much luck. Now, I think we just roll with it, or remove ourselves, as and when.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:53

    :)

    @alex_wurz: Day1 FIA Institute young driver academy: Cool 2c kids in car wanting to break laws of physics by sheer testosterone, some lessons 2learn :-)

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 19:56

    @alex_wurz: Day1 FIA Institute young driver academy: Cool 2c kids in car wanting to break laws of physics by sheer testosterone, some lessons 2learn :-)

    You can't beat the optimism of young drivers

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 19:56

    Leigh, have you just upset Vijay Mallya on twitter?

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 19:57

    Leigh, have you just upset Vijay Mallya on twitter?

    Vijay Mallya is on twitter?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:57

    Leigh, have you just upset Vijay Mallya on twitter?

    Nope - some people corrected him on cricket play and he's gone on a mad sweary rant.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 19:57

    Vijay Mallya is on twitter?

    http://twitter.com/#!/TheVijayMallya

  • Alex Andronov17/05/2011 at 19:57

    It's definitely changed a lot, and we've tried to address it a few times, but without much luck. Now, I think we just roll with it, or remove ourselves, as and when.

    Which will be really sad for me.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 19:58

    Vijay Mallya is on twitter?

    I'd link here, but the swearing is something else

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 19:59

    I'd link here, but the swearing is something else

    you did need to be warned about the comment about 15 minutes ago

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 19:59

    Tony Fernandes to buy West Ham?

    https://twitter.com/tonyfernandes/status/70578258147680256

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 20:00

    Tony Fernandes to buy West Ham?

    https://twitter.c…70578258147680256

    Aye - started seeing that at the weekend

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 20:03

    On the other hand

    :(

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/05/17/uk-witness-bahrain-idUKTRE74G41220110517

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 20:04

    Leigh, have you just upset Vijay Mallya on twitter?

    Nope - some people corrected him on cricket play and he's gone on a mad sweary rant.

    Whoops! And there I was thinking from those of his tweets not aimed at specific individuals that it was a family-friendly account...

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 20:15
  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 20:21

    Ping: Track Notes for Barcelona... http://www.vivaf1.com/blog/?p=5790

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 20:21

    Nice pic: In Flight iPhone snaps Space Shuttle launch

    Ohhhh-err

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 20:24

    #SignThatIHaven'tUsedProToolsInAWhile

    I didn't recognise the button-majig on my dock... Ho-hum

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 20:31

    Ping: Spanishy GP preview thingy http://www.vivaf1.com/blog/?p=6489

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 20:32

    Ping: Spanishy GP preview thingy http://www.vivaf1.com/blog/?p=6489

    It would be awesome if you called the post that!

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 20:34

    It would be awesome if you called the post that!

    watch out for That Vettely Blokey on Poley-woley

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 20:36

    It would be awesome if you called the post that!

    ;)

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 20:40

    Ping: http://mrschristine.com/2011/05/17/p-is-for-pie-well-almost/

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 20:55

    Tiago Monteiro's going to Le Mans, if you are a fan... He's replacing Lehaye at OAK who was injured at Spa.

    Yippee! While I am sorry Matthieu got injured in the first place, I enjoyed watching Tiago in F1 and think he'll do a reasonable job for them :)

    Also, the Aston Martin team is in LMP1, if they can get a functional car to the race. If they do, Vanina Ickx and Maxime Martin will be in it, which should be interesting.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 20:56

    Change beginning, but is it too late..?

    http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-series-makes-senior-management-change/

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:04

    Oh dear - looks like the FIA have banned off throttle diffusers - in an attempt to peg back red bull? www.autosport.com…port.php/id/91475

    How exactly is an off-throttle exhaust a moveable aero device? Simply because Max failed to understand what Article 3.15 said doesn't give Jean an excuse to do the same.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 21:05

    How exactly is an off-throttle exhaust a moveable aero device? Simply because Max failed to understand what Article 3.15 said doesn't give Jean an excuse to do the same.

    Because it feeds into a blown diffuser

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:09

    Because it feeds into a blown diffuser

    The diffuser doesn't move. The only thing that moves is whatever valve allows fuel to be injected into the exhaust and of course the exhaust gases themselves.

    It hardly fits with F1's green imaage to be dumping fuel into the exhaust

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 21:10

    The diffuser doesn't move. The only thing that moves is whatever valve allows fuel to be injected into the exhaust and of course the exhaust gases themselves.

    I agree that the description is wrong but I'm glad this is being tackled now as it would definitely get out of hand

  • Lukeh17/05/2011 at 21:11

    I agree that the description is wrong but I'm glad this is being tackled now as it would definitely get out of hand

    We might get Christian Horner on the BBC coverage every week otherwise talking about it.

    At least now we'll get Christian Horner on the BBC coverage talking about something else

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 21:11

    We might get Christian Horner on the BBC coverage every week otherwise talking about it.

    At least now we'll get Christian Horner on the BBC coverage talking about something else

    :lol:

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 21:13

    At least now we'll get Christian Horner on the BBC coverage talking about something else

    Or not talking about something, as is usually the case...

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:13

    I agree that the description is wrong but I'm glad this is being tackled now as it would definitely get out of hand

    It's hardly a new idea. It was done with the turbo engines in the 1980s

  • Kai17/05/2011 at 21:15

    Hi gang,

    Judging from my Amtrak 'quiet car' experience, I'm not surprised at all that they called the cops on someone.

    http://huff.to/kLHAOV

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:17

    How exactly is an off-throttle exhaust a moveable aero device? Simply because Max failed to understand what Article 3.15 said doesn't give Jean an excuse to do the same.

    downforce depends on throttle position - that certainly strikes me as an adjustable setting

    there are probably practical limitations to being able to ban the EBD outright, certainly can't be done overnight

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 21:18

    Judging from my Amtrak 'quiet car' experience, I'm not surprised at all that they called the cops on someone.

    We are supposed to have silent cars on Danish trains. And believe me, if you are even breathing loudly you get told off. It's rather amusing really!

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:18

    Judging from my Amtrak 'quiet car' experience, I'm not surprised at all that they called the cops on someone.

    I guess she booked the quiet car so she could hear her phone

  • Kai17/05/2011 at 21:19

    We are supposed to have silent cars on Danish trains. And believe me, if you are even breathing loudly you get told off. It's rather amusing really!

    Yeah, that's basically what happened to me. And I thought I was compulsive about noises! I got nothin' on those folks. They win.

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:19

    there are probably practical limitations to being able to ban the EBD outright, certainly can't be done overnight

    They can ban fuel being injected into the exhaust

  • Kai17/05/2011 at 21:19

    I guess she booked the quiet car so she could hear her phone

    :)

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:20

    They can ban fuel being injected into the exhaust

    but it would entail a rearrangement of the exhaust system really

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:20

    I agree that the description is wrong but I'm glad this is being tackled now as it would definitely get out of hand

    I'm just upset that the regulations are being ignored by the people who set the regulations for reasons that are not in their mandate. If the FIA can't be bothered to respect its own regulations, why should anyone else (other than fear of sanctions)?

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:21

    Oh dear - looks like the FIA have banned off throttle diffusers - in an attempt to peg back red bull? www.autosport.com…port.php/id/91475

    Renault's fault really, they got all excited and started bragging about how their fuel economy allowed them to carry so much more fuel than their rivals purely for blowing the exhaust

    But Mercedes seem to have pretty refined engine mapping too, so if a team has complained I think it'll be from one of the other engine suppliers

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:21

    downforce depends on throttle position - that certainly strikes me as an adjustable setting

    Downforce depends on throttle position for every car, no matter how it is designed...

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 21:22

    Judging from my Amtrak 'quiet car' experience, I'm not surprised at all that they called the cops on someone.

    Are they sure it wasn't called the "Quite Car"...?

    (ahem)

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:22

    but it would entail a rearrangement of the exhaust system really

    They just need to tell the ecu not to pump fuel into it.

  • Kai17/05/2011 at 21:23

    Are they sure it wasn't called the "Quite Car"...?

    hehe

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:23

    I'm just upset that the regulations are being ignored by the people who set the regulations for reasons that are not in their mandate. If the FIA can't be bothered to respect its own regulations, why should anyone else (other than fear of sanctions)?

    I disagree with changing the regs in season unless there is a serious safety issue.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:23

    They can ban fuel being injected into the exhaust

    Not unless it's a) between seasons, b) the FIA can prove a safety issue is at hand or c) the FIA has already given itself explicit freedom to adapt that specific regulation (as per DRS).

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:23

    Downforce depends on throttle position for every car, no matter how it is designed...

    that's hardly the same thing

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:24

    that's hardly the same thing

    As far as I can see it is...

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:25

    Not unless it's a) between seasons, b) the FIA can prove a safety issue is at hand or c) the FIA has already given itself explicit freedom to adapt that specific regulation (as per DRS).

    I was talking technically rather than legally. Technically it is an easy issue to deal with.

    I wonder if this is just Todt throwing his weight around to show Bernie who is in charge

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:25

    I was talking technically rather than legally. Technically it is an easy issue to deal with.

    Ah, OK.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:25

    As far as I can see it is...

    not at all

    downforce is dependent on velocity (well airspeed) not throttle position

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:26

    I wonder if this is just Todt throwing his weight around to show Bernie who is in charge

    If he carries on doing it like this, he'll find it's the teams. The regulator can say what it wants but without the teams it has nothing, and if the FIA breaks its own regulations the teams can turn around and say their contracts with it were repudiated (and therefore not get a penalty for walking out on it).

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:26

    I wonder if this is just Todt throwing his weight around to show Bernie who is in charge

    doubt Bernie will complain if it pegs Red Bull back a bit, even sounds like a Bernie idea

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:26

    that's hardly the same thing

    As far as I can see it is...

    Under power the throttle's main function is to propel the car forward. The aerodynamic effect is secondary. Pumping fuel into the exhaust to maintain aero performance is purely an aerodynamic function

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:28

    doubt Bernie will complain if it pegs Red Bull back a bit, even sounds like a Bernie idea

    I doubt it will have any particularly noticeable effect on them compared to the other top teams. If Renault are really not doing this they may make a step forward.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 21:29

    Noble: Late breaking news: F1 teams have been given a reprieve by the FIA on a change to the blown diffuser regs for the Spanish GP. Story soon

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:29

    downforce is dependent on velocity (well airspeed) not throttle position

    Under power the throttle's main function is to propel the car forward. The aerodynamic effect is secondary. Pumping fuel into the exhaust to maintain aero performance is purely an aerodynamic function

    Ah, got it. Thank you :)

    Just had another thought. this is going to seriously mess with natural driving styles, particularly if anyone naturally blends their throttle and brake applications.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:29

    If Renault are really not doing this they may make a step forward.

    Renault said they were

    And they have the most economical engine and so the most fuel to spare

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:30

    Noble: Late breaking news: F1 teams have been given a reprieve by the FIA on a change to the blown diffuser regs for the Spanish GP. Story soon

    I should think so! The cars will be about to set off to Spain - if any team had needed more than minor software changes to comply, it would have been impossible for them to do so.

    Wouldn't surprise me if some teams struggle to get this done for Monaco given that scrutineering for that's only 9 days away.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:32

    Noble: Late breaking news: F1 teams have been given a reprieve by the FIA on a change to the blown diffuser regs for the Spanish GP. Story soon

    now don't you want to know which teams objected? :-)

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 21:32

    Downforce depends on throttle position for every car, no matter how it is designed...

    But this is throttle position when drive is not being transferred to the wheels. Effectively in neutral when changing down

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:33

    now don't you want to know which teams objected? :-)

    Probably the small ones, Ferrari and Red Bull, so nearly half of them ;)

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:36

    Probably the small ones, Ferrari and Red Bull, so nearly half of them ;)

    it's not a major job to change the engine mapping, this is buying time to find a way around it, not in order to implement it

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:37

    Noble: Late breaking news: F1 teams have been given a reprieve by the FIA on a change to the blown diffuser regs for the Spanish GP. Story soon

    Typical

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 21:38

    Wouldn't surprise me if some teams struggle to get this done for Monaco given that scrutineering for that's only 9 days away.

    THe one place you don't want the cars to suddenly become twitchier at the rear is Monaco

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 21:38

    it's not a major job to change the engine mapping, this is buying time to find a way around it, not in order to implement it

    Agreed

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:39

    it's not a major job to change the engine mapping, this is buying time to find a way around it, not in order to implement it

    For the small teams it could be, Red Bull will have protested to delay the inevitable and I can see Ferrari complaining on pure reflex...

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 21:41

    For the small teams it could be...

    It's a softeware issue. It's doable

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:41

    For the small teams it could be, Red Bull will have protested to delay the inevitable and I can see Ferrari complaining on pure reflex...

    it's not a complicated thing to change, they change the engine mapping throughout practice

    ferrari? would agree on the complaining front - wouldn't surprise me if they're the ones who complained about them in the first place!

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:43

    For the small teams it could be...

    they've got the least developed blown diffusers therefore they've got the most to gain

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 21:43

    Am liking the infographic from James' link about Skype's purchase

    Didn't realise how much revenue they were taking in these days

    Not far off a billion dollars in 2010

    http://www.focus.com/images/view/58070/

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:43

    it's not a complicated thing to change, they change the engine mapping throughout practice

    They only change them between 12 predefined maps provided to them by the ECU provider. All the maps will now need changing and it will take time for the small teams to work out what exactly they need to tell MES in order so that they can get engine maps that comply without making them lose too much performance.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:44

    they've got the least developed blown diffusers therefore they've got the most to gain

    Once things have settled down, yes.

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 21:44

    now don't you want to know which teams objected? :-)

    More Noble: Now we need to do some digging: which team wants them banned, who wins the most from the ban, and who is the biggest loser?

    :)

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 21:46

    They only change them between 12 predefined maps provided to them by the ECU provider. All the maps will now need changing and it will take time for the small teams to work out what exactly they need to tell MES in order so that they can get engine maps that comply without making them lose too much performance.

    that's on the fly during the race, changing the predefined maps is a straightforward task

    at worse it's a case of uploading last year's maps before they had an EBD

  • Rubbergoat17/05/2011 at 21:51

    Daily is done, hope it's not out of date by the time you read it ;)

  • Christine17/05/2011 at 21:51

    Daily is done, hope it's not out of date by the time you read it ;)

    Thanks Gavin :)

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:54

    that's on the fly during the race, changing the predefined maps is a straightforward task

    I thought there was a ban on changing the maps once arrived at a venue because the software was checked over and sealed by scrutineering to prevent performance-enhancing software modification?

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 21:55

    at worse it's a case of uploading last year's maps before they had an EBD

    Good point :)

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:02

    For the small teams it could be, Red Bull will have protested to delay the inevitable and I can see Ferrari complaining on pure reflex...

    Ferrari I don't think had got it working to the level of Mercedes and Renault, they were testing it in Turkey (Alonso's free practice spin)

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 22:03

    I thought there was a ban on changing the maps once arrived at a venue because the software was checked over and sealed by scrutineering to prevent performance-enhancing software modification?

    Service Pack 1? ;)

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:04

    Ferrari I don't think had got it working to the level of Mercedes and Renault, they were testing it in Turkey (Alonso's free practice spin)

    So they'd have a point in protesting, but not necessarily in delaying that protest.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:04

    Service Pack 1? ;)

    :D

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 22:04

    So they'd have a point in protesting, but not necessarily in delaying that protest.

    If you can't beat 'em, complain about 'em

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:05

    So they'd have a point in protesting, but not necessarily in delaying that protest.

    I thought that, but then why protest something to get rid when they've invested time and money. Their system works, its just not as effective as the others.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 22:06

    I thought that, but then why protest something to get rid when they've invested time and money. Their system works, its just not as effective as the others.

    Ah ha!

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 22:06

    Ferrari I don't think had got it working to the level of Mercedes and Renault, they were testing it in Turkey (Alonso's free practice spin)

    Blue screen?

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:06

    Ah ha!

    I should say, thats my opinion only and those I've read. No conclusive proof ;)

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:08

    More Noble: Now we need to do some digging: which team wants them banned, who wins the most from the ban, and who is the biggest loser?

    On the protesting front, its possible its Williams or Cosworth, I don't think they are anywhere near being able to do it.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:08

    On the protesting front, its possible its Williams or Cosworth, I don't think they are anywhere near being able to do it.

    I can see all the Cosworth teams complaining and there are three of them...

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:09

    I should say, thats my opinion only and those I've read. No conclusive proof ;)

    i'd agree

    cosworth are worse off though but I guess maybe Ferrari have more to gain since they're near RBR/McLaren

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:09

    I can see all the Cosworth teams complaining and there are three of them...

    To clarify: Williams to ban it and the other two to delay the ban.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:10

    To clarify: Williams to ban it and the other two to delay the ban.

    would delaying the ban make any difference to HRT whatsoever?

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:11

    would delaying the ban make any difference to HRT whatsoever?

    Yes. They can talk to MES and come into compliance (I thought all the teams had a blown diffuser, even if for some they might as well not).

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:12

    cosworth are worse off though but I guess maybe Ferrari have more to gain since they're near RBR/McLaren

    Ferrari have the history of complaining when they can't replicate something to the level the others can, so they are always first on the list.

    I still wonder why its taken the FIA so long to realise it uses more fuel which is counter-intuitive to their green policy.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:13

    (I thought all the teams had a blown diffuser, even if for some they might as well not).

    Not really

    Virgin introduced theirs in turkey and it didn't work. they definitely will have a back up plan for spain

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:14

    I still wonder why its taken the FIA so long to realise it uses more fuel which is counter-intuitive to their green policy.

    They probably knew all along but hoped to be able to wait until the end of the season. Renault may have forced their hand.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:14

    Virgin introduced theirs in turkey and it didn't work. they definitely will have a back up plan for spain

    Oops!

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:15

    They probably knew all along but hoped to be able to wait until the end of the season. Renault may have forced their hand.

    I don't think Renault will have complained, they would have come up with the engine maps in conjunction with Red Bull.

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:16

    I don't think Renault will have complained, they would have come up with the engine maps in conjunction with Red Bull.

    I didn't mean by complaining - I meant by boasting about their high fuel consumption.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:17

    I don't think Renault will have complained, they would have come up with the engine maps in conjunction with Red Bull.

    i think Alia is referring to press release showing off about how much fuel they were using just to blow the diffuser

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:18

    I didn't mean by complaining - I meant by boasting about their high fuel consumption.

    i think Alia is referring to press release showing off about how much fuel they were using just to blow the diffuser

    ah. I haven't seen that. my mistake.

  • Bassano17/05/2011 at 22:18

    He he

    Am lovin' today's Instagram pic of Carl http://instagr.am/p/EXt21/

    #Up

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:18

    Virgin introduced theirs in turkey and it didn't work. they definitely will have a back up plan for spain

    williams are introducing theirs this weekend, they'll have a backup plan for it not working in practice

    I think we can rule out cosworth asking for a delay

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:19

    ah. I haven't seen that. my mistake.

    Not to worry, my vagueness hindered the situation.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:19

    ah. I haven't seen that. my mistake.

    http://www.vivaf1.com/blog/?p=6214 silly boys

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 22:19

    would delaying the ban make any difference to HRT whatsoever?

    I think at this rate, the only team that need to worry are Virgin

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:20

    I think we can rule out cosworth asking for a delay

    That's a nice thing to be able to do, even if the reason is unfortunate from Williams' perspective.

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:20

    ah. I haven't seen that. my mistake.

    heh. they really put their foot in it.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:21

    would delaying the ban make any difference to HRT whatsoever?

    I think at this rate, the only team that need to worry are Virgin

    can't see the FIA listening to their complaints about the system either

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:22

    can't see the FIA listening to their complaints about the system either

    what bothers me about this, is that the FIA just come off badly and seem like they have no backbone. They are backing down whenever the teams make a noise at the moment.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 22:24

    can't see the FIA listening to their complaints about the system either

    Exactly. By the way, apparently Nick Wirth is working on the Dallara IndyCar aero kit......

    "So, which is it to be Mr Wirth?"

    (I say in the style of a Bond villain)

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:24

    what bothers me about this, is that the FIA just come off badly and seem like they have no backbone. They are backing down whenever the teams make a noise at the moment.

    it did seem rather unreasonably short notice, just from a politeness perspective

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:24

    what bothers me about this, is that the FIA just come off badly and seem like they have no backbone. They are backing down whenever the teams make a noise at the moment.

    It's almost like they want the teams to dig a hole for themselves...

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:25

    Exactly. By the way, apparently Nick Wirth is working on the Dallara IndyCar aero kit......

    ?!?

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:25

    it did seem rather unreasonably short notice, just from a politeness perspective

    It's a very short one from a regulatory perspective. As it's neither a safety issue nor an issue on which the FIA had assigned more leeway to itself, it should have been set in stone for the duration of this season.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 22:26

    ?!?

    Aye - I was surprised when I heard it too.

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:27

    it did seem rather unreasonably short notice, just from a politeness perspective

    the FIA must have known it, and known the teams would say they couldn't do it yet. the most recent example is last year with the mirrors being moved, they FIA allowed the teams more time.

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:29

    the most recent example is last year with the mirrors being moved, they FIA allowed the teams more time.

    but that's an entirely different part that needs designing and manufacturing, it would be similar to making them reroot the exhaust away from the diffusers altogether, not changing the software

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:31

    but that's an entirely different part that needs designing and manufacturing, it would be similar to making them reroot the exhaust away from the diffusers altogether, not changing the software

    I know, my point was the FIA are changing the rules only for the teams to go not yet, allowing them time to find the optimum solution, the FIA go along with it.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 22:32

    What on Earth?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRHnTFesv7c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:33

    I know, my point was the FIA are changing the rules only for the teams to go not yet, allowing them time to find the optimum solution, the FIA go along with it.

    Considering the teams would be entitled to tell the FIA to forget the change for the rest of the season and the FIA would not be allowed to do anything against the teams in revenge, this is leniency based on the teams' interest in maintaining some semblance of a working relationship with the FIA.

  • James17/05/2011 at 22:35

    Considering the teams would be entitled to tell the FIA to forget the change for the rest of the season and the FIA would not be allowed to do anything against the teams in revenge, this is leniency based on the teams' interest in maintaining some semblance of a working relationship with the FIA.

    I think my problem is the teams seem to have too much power over the governing body.

    Also that the FIA take so long to catch on what happening, the engine mapping has been happening for well over a year and half. Grrr F1 ;)

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:36

    What on Earth?

    some one fell from a balcony and died a few days after this while trying it

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 22:37

    I think my problem is the teams seem to have too much power over the governing body.

    If the previous incumbent hadn't abused power to such a large extent, the FIA might have had some.

    The engine mapping has been happening since late 2009, but Max didn't care and Jean needed 2010 to get his feet under the table and position himself so that he could use some power in 2011.

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 22:39

    some one fell from a balcony and died a few days after this while trying it

    Silly person

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:39

    Silly person

    2 short planks

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 22:52

    2 short planks

    Sadly yes.

    I just saw a tweet from Scott Dixon - he says he'll plank his Ganassi car if there's a rain delay tomorrow

  • Steven Roy17/05/2011 at 22:54

    I just saw a tweet from Scott Dixon - he says he'll plank his Ganassi car if there's a rain delay tomorrow

    Hopefully not at over 200mph

  • Maverick17/05/2011 at 22:57

    I just saw a tweet from Scott Dixon - he says he'll plank his Ganassi car if there's a rain delay tomorrow

    he's going to lie on top of it while he waits for the sun to come out?

  • Alianora La Canta17/05/2011 at 23:01

    he's going to lie on top of it while he waits for the sun to come out?

    Suppose it's an interesting way to get clean...

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 23:07

    Hopefully not at over 200mph

    Who knows with Dixie?

  • Leigh O'Gorman17/05/2011 at 23:07

    he's going to lie on top of it while he waits for the sun to come out?

    Nothing else to do I suppose