For those who have been expecting a mini series this week, I apologise that there isn't one. We contemplated taking a weekend off (shock, horror!), but decided to do a live show instead. If you're around about 7pm tonight, then tune in, and you never know what we'll be up to. Meanwhile, we're discussing:
- The French are protesting! F1 Minute reported this yesterday, but just outside of Paris, some tractors gathered to protest the building of a GP track as the area is populated enough and it would just cause chaos. Will their concerns be heard?
- The F2 championship has expanded to 25 cars now, which bugs me slightly, as it's an odd number. However, I wonder why some series are struggling to find teams to enter, whilst others are having to up their limits to make room for all the potential entrants.
- If there's anything you would like us to discuss in the show tonight, feel free to offer up suggestions as we'll be trying to keep budget cap talk to a minimum. However, if you're mad about the budget caps, why not leave us a Tremayne style voicemail? The art of Tremayning first occurred here, with examples of the last competition here. Call 0121 28 87225 to send us your thoughts in the style of the angriest journalist around.
That'll do it for now, keep the excellent thoughts coming, let us know what you're up to and I'll see you in the comments.
Also should point out F1 Wolf has posted his pictures and story about the Schumacher meet.
http://www.f1wolf.com/2009/05/spain-ronda-ascari-michael-schumacher-photos-and-videos.html
ooh somehow i missed that there was a live show this weekend. i shall try and make it, but i make no promises!
Probably because we said there wouldn't be. We can't be trusted. :)
Morning all. Can't think anything else about that darn Norwegian song. Grr
Should be there for 7pm.
I'll be there for the live show after watching Cambridge United at Wembley!!! :D Go local team :P:P:P
Wembley. Lucky, lucky you. Good luck for Cambridge, though I couldn't care less who wins.
after my connection problems of this morning its finally time for me to watch eurovision. I might read back through yesterdays post and pretend I was there for the comments at the time.
Hehe. I stopped watching after about five minutes.
My brother made a huge fuss about going even though they arent our first team!!! Oh well its still Wembley :D Sorry to sound rude or anything... just very excited :D
Out of curiostiy, who is your first team?
Chelsea.... I'm not a glory supporter though. Supported them for years, just happen to support them while they are good :D
Yeah, yeah. ;)
My mum just came in and asked me when the GP was on today. I had to tell her it's every fortnight. She thought Monaco was today!
Mind you, wouldn't mind if it was. :(
Oops, how rude of me. Morning all! :P
tonight sportswise is all about Roger/Rafa!
Bless. Personally, I like that it's not every week.
Yeah, you have a point. Those 4 races in 5 weeks took it out of everyone. Didn't help they were early morning flyaway races either. But at least it's a good race to look forward to. Monaco just IS awesome :D
I might miss it. Definatly won't be live commenting it.
last year I missed Monaco because my nana died so although I love the race, I think now I'll always think of Monaco as the worst weekend ever :(
I won't be around for FP but I'll make qualifying and the race for sure.
Aww I'm sorry to hear that :(
just outside of Paris, some tractors gathered to protest the building of a GP track
Now that's how you do a protest! Maybe the teams should park their trucks in such a way as to block the entrances to Monaco and refuse to move them until Max decides to either make the budget cap workable or drop the idea altogether?
my flatmates are not enjoying eurovision :D
I take it you don't have headphones then :D
I'm just trying to spread the joy around ;)
"Why do we have to watch something that's not even from our continent?!"
Mind you, you could say that about F1 bar Australia. ;) On the other hand, it doesn't feature terrible singing from people in ludicrous outfits.
:D I like it
nah, just Eddie Jordan ;)
:D So true!
I wonder why some series are struggling to find teams to enter, whilst others are having to up their limits to make room for all the potential entrants. {original entry}
If a series has the basics right, then the three factors I can think of that would make a difference are money, publicity and fashion.
Money - whatever the state of the economy, the amount of finances a team can get to compete in a series compared to how much it costs will always be a factor. The FIA are claiming a really low budget for F2, so teams are thinking that they can do the series in such a way as to get high value.
Publicity - some series are in the news more than others. A series in the news will be filled with teams that generally have an easier time getting a set amount of money than those teams in series people don't hear about very often.
Fashion - Sometimes series do things that make people follow them that cannot be neatly categorised as either monetary or publicity-related things. Most of these are transitory. Perhaps one of its drivers is suddenly very successful in the next series up, reflecting well upon the series from which that talent emerged. Or it had more Chileans than other series the previous year and the sponsors in the next series up suddenly demand Chileans for marketing purposes. These things can make bosses of senior teams pay attention to the junior series despite the reason for their attention not necessarily being there any more.
Wait till you here Norway. 12 hours later and its still in my head
Awful grammar there *hear. Thank god its only a maths test tomorrow then
"Spell trigonometry - without looking at how we've spelt it in the question" :D
I saw them on the semifinal! Catchy song.
Very quick plug:
http://batracer.com/-cj?&D&40677
password: tatohead
Just need 3 to fill up Stewart, Prost and Sauber and we can start.
That is all. Carry on! :P
This tweet from Giggles is just...
"I touched a penguin"
......yeah.
http://twitter.com/alexandronov/status/1824874899
They did that in NZ a couple of years ago to protest against a 'fart tax' against farmers. They drove the bloody things up the steps of parliament!
is he morphing into Fernando Verdasco?
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/45404793-verd-216-jpg
I kind of love him.
I found a Panda I have droppioed. Sadly very reflective glass!
Good mo...afternoon all.
Hey Lukeh
Some F1 news!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75390
Animal day on dropio. I hope you enjoy the story on Pandas by 60 Minutes Australia
Hehehe, I've started a convo with FakeJarnoTrulli on Twitter:
Me: Have you been on your wine again?
FJT: You bet, that's why I forgot to tweet so much. I'm thinking of a boat party once I get to Monaco, wine is perfect there!
http://twitter.com/FakeJarnoTrulli/status/1825029798 :D
Is there any chance they'd notice if you went home with it under your jumper?
:D
My response: http://twitter.com/TheWiss/status/1825189686 ;)
Hi. Sorry if commenting was annoying last night. My head paid this morning but am feeling a lot better now after sleep and a shower.
I'm trying to watch the live video feed of the DTM race (featuring Paul di Resta and Ralf Schumacher!) but the website is down.
Anyone watching the BTCC? First race was awesome.
Live link located but I think I'm an hour early. http://www.dtm.tv/Index/LiveEvent
why would you voluntarily watch Ralf? ;)
Entertainment purposes.
I feel like a bit of a twit this morning about last night reading back on twitter/comments. Plus I feel awful, and couldnt even eat all a sunday lunch because I feel ill. Today is not a good day. :(
Sore sidepodheads?
No, it just doesn't work. Have found *ahem* an alternate
http://www.freedocast.com/sportzone
Ralf Schumacher just pitted to retire, a big dent in the roof
Thanks for that Pat. Trying to watch DTM and moto GP at the same time. Poor Ralfy had a booboo
no they are fixing it under the safety car...
quite hard to tell who is who..
ouch from the onboard camera
What a shock.
Nice safety car
Rossi pitting first for dry tyres in Moto GP. He either just won the race or blew it
So that's what Norbert Haug does on his weekends off
Rossi fell
This should be a good race
Which one? :-)
I miss Mika.
He only had one good song
You need to find Euro F3. There is a new Mika coming. Mika Maki. You have to be fast with a name like that.
I don't know if anyone's interested but on BBC2 at 2:30 there is men's singles, ladies singles and mixed doubles exhibition matches with Andre agassi, Tim Henman, Kim Clijsters and Steffi Graf at wimbledon'e centre court to celebrate the new retractable roof.
I wish all roofs has celebrations like that.
MotoGP
Amy will never get any sleep.
Roger/Rafa is on at midnight, live show is on at 4am, when am I supposed to sleep?
Wednesday?
Now?
Lauda did a Massa
Morning everyone, just managed to crawl out out bed in time for moto gp...
Watching Rossi is hilarious, he's been into the pits looooooads
Stoddart vs Lauda, go Susie!
sounds like a plan
nah, watching Harper's Island now. I wanted to like this, but it's pretty rubbish.
Morning Nick
hi Nick
This is my first season of properly watching moto gp, i just love the bike hopping
V8s?
nooooo way. its a murder mystery.
Anthony Hamilton at the DTM
really? glad i was in the kitchen getting toast, then
I need more eyes and ears. I am trying to watch Moto GP, DTM and spacewalk preparations all at the same time
I think he manafes Jamie Green. I know he manages 3 or 4 drivers now
That's okay, MotoGP only has 9 laps left.
I need to get a computer screen next to a TV, it would really help...
Ive got 11 left on my screen?
i have 10...
ugh. although, maybe he could focus on them and leave Lewis alone. Ahh I can dream.
I may have misread the ticker
good evening from this part of the world
Hi
Evening Wolf
Good afternoon from this part ;)
Hi Wolf. Seasick yet? Thanks for the great vid
Eurovision and alcohol is a bad combination. Yesterday's daily post had over 1500 comments. Last season with no daily posts GPs didn't get that many
thankfully just like Christmas, it comes but once a year :D
But I wasn't drinking.
not seasick :-) a bit jetlagged though :-)
thank god for that...
It's a bad combination for your head and your reputation.
But it was funny
Neither was I but a lot of people were. You should read some of the conversation on music and naked Keith Chegwin that followed Eurovision. Some people would be embarrassed to have their comments quoted
I still think the Germans were robbed...
To be fair the GP posts this year WITH daily posts have been getting well over 2000.
There has been a massive ramp up in comments since late last season. The British GP post last season was the first to break 1000 so you can see the rate of increase
Yes, and I'm going to meet the Icelandic girl. Wasn't/Isn't gonna happen
do you think I can watch 17 hours of Lost in one go?
You might start to understand it if you do
Can you stay away from sidepodcast and tennis for 17 hours in one go?
i think YOU can yes
and work ;)
I got every episode of this season and said 'oh I'll watch that tomorrow' and all of a sudden the season has finished and I've watched none of it. I am not sure I can go forever without finding out what happens so I reeeeally need to get on to watching it.
No
i take that as a challenge.
The seasons probably only 13 hours or so, the eps are lees than 45 mins. Go for it!
What happened to Ekstrom?
My computer decided to lock up and I had to restart. I came back and Kristensen had won
I'm cheating already, I just remembered I did actually manage to watch eps 1 and 2 so I'm starting on episode 3. Should get it finished before the tennis in 46 minutes time :D
Ahh good. I need to do big sit-downs for series but never get around to it.
Okay, racing over so I'm off out. Should be back tonight but I'll probably miss the live thing if there is a live thing - it's mum's birthday so I'm going around for tea. :-)
Left rear puncture
Euro F3 including Finns
http://www.freedocast.com/sportzone
Euro F3 including Finns on the DTM feed
or maybe not
BTCC on ITV4 too if people have it
I'm trying to workout how tom chilton hasnt fallen off the track yet
I got quite excited when i heart Ford were coming back to the BTCC, however....they're just rubbish
sidepodspace update
The fourth of five (sounds BORG) spacewalk of the Hubble servicing mission is about to start
They arent a works team are they? It will probably take a season to get the car working
They're not allowed to be a works team apparently...
Yeah probably, apparently they only bought Alan Morrison in to use the races to test the car, thats why he always does so badly
So essentually every race for Arena is a well publicised test session :P
Nothing wrong with having that kind of setup is there?
Didn't say there was! :P
pretty much
It's a good way to develop the car for next year I reckon...
yeah, but also isn't particularly fair on Morrison because he may be really good but we wouldnt know
Such is life when you are the second driver :(
He was Class B champion in 2000 in a Peugeot 306 and he raced for Honda for a couple of years with the Civic. I don't think he won much, or at all for that matter. Might have won 1 race for Honda.
nah, i dont think so, second driver lets first driver through, and defends his position, but Alan literally turns up and instead of trying to find a setup that works for him, he has to spend every session doing stuff that wont necessarily work for him
my point is, whats the point in being a racing driver, if you cant race
I'm sure when they've sorted the car out a bit they'll let him race...?
brand new car, could take all year
It looks like a dream, but performance wise it's a nightmare at the moment. Nowhere near the front.
That Ford Focus should have been in BTCC 10 years ago!
such is life in the BTCC, BMW is 2 years old i think, Vauxhall is 3?4? years old. They have a long way to go
Ironic that a new car can't beat a 4 year old one... that's why I love BTCC!
They did have very little testing, and Vauxhall are known for going all over the world to test their cars before the start of the season. Give Ford another year and they'll be top 10's with the occational podium, 2 years and they'll be up there, top 5's probably
eee tennis is starting. if this game goes for hours i will cry.
I asked FakeJarnoTrulli if he planned to get Timo drunk before qualifying and he replied:
"We'll see. He may not need it though. I'll definitely get @fakejenson drunk, that gets rid of one threat to my pole."
:D
Signed up for twitter. Details at http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sidepodcast+Community+on+Twitter
:O !!!
Mr C saying good morning on the 16-05 Daily. Niiice... :D
And Steven Roy on Twitter? Daaaang.
yup,
whats the world coming too eh?!
FakePiquetJr: Watching BTCC, they hit each other a lot, think I should give it a try
it is almost midnight :-)
awwwwwww. bugger.
morning Mr C
FakeKazNakajima: Watching Rossi in the #motogp - he having a @fakepiquetjr style race!
Hard night last night?
busy.
Wimbledon is celebrating the roof over centre court by playing a special match....with the roof open. Am I missing something?
Sounds like it. Maybe he's got that massive hangover he predicted Christine would have yesterday morning. That'll teach him :D
Tim Henman is back on centre court!
The roofs shut now, they had a big sing song whist they shut it, its live on red button. Really funny stuff
COME ON TIIIIM!
They've got Agassi and Steffi Graf playing each other. These two are married. This can only go well...
Was it to the tune of Thunderbirds? :D
Or any of Cliff Richard's songs?
F.A.B
there is a far more important match happening in Madrid!
....I can't watch.
Have they ever played together before?
haha, no but it took them about half an hour, i avoided it. graff and agassi are on the same team, although the men seem to be letting the women do the work..
Not to my knowledge. If they have, I haven't heard about it. But then I never do follow tennis, so...
It seems strange they have it live on red button and hour delay on bbc2.
Hey Amy, how long does it take to close the roof on the Rod Laver Arena?
I can't recall off the top of my head, when I was there they left it open and it was so hot :(
At Wimbledon Its only supposed to take 8 mins, but i think they have equipment to measure stuff that needed setting up once they closed it.
Oh wow the roof is closing. Exciting stuff.
Imagine being brave enough to sing with Katherine Jenkins.
Some nutter from NASA is tweeting one of the spacewalkers. I wonder if he will get a reply
ah its 30 minutes
while I'm on the topic of Rod Laver Arena, here is my first ever attempt at a panoramic photo, featuring two Andy Roddicks.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/dsc06043-stitch-jpg
Once the tennis starts i reccomend turning the volume up, they are saying some really funny stuff
Nice photo Aims!
next year I aim to sit closer ;)
We call her Aims now? :D
oh wow, didnt realise you were actually there, i thought you were watching it on tv lol
This is like sidepodtime. There is no past or future there just is
thats from January ;)
Well she did aim the camera well ;)
Looks like the space time continuum is now back in alignment!
Who designed this Hubble thing? 111 fasteners to swap out an instrument?
booo, we don't have any voicemail tremaynisms :(
I guess so that in case one or two fail, others can pick up the slack.
Shouldn't that be: we don't have any voicemail tremaynisms, grrrrrrrrrr!
hey all, how is everyone today?
:D
I was gonna send one, but I've been preoccupied all day sorting out my stuff for staying at dad's next week. If I get a chance, I'll record one before 7 :)
I would like it known that Fed won the first set and I'm bouncing.
:D
Having just discovered what they are... I'm not surprised!
Hahaha! That said, there's much to grrr about in the sport right now... grrrr! :)
Your talking to the same people who shouted CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMPAGNE for 30 seconds down a telephone. I think they would tremayneif they could ;)
Ooh, trust me I have a good Tremayne brewing. I'll do it when I get to Dad's.
heya lou :)
F1 live are reporting Bernie could buy Silverstone, or maybe its just a slow news day
Oh dear where have i come to?
With all the moaning that has gone on here not one voicemail? I assume everyone is planning on doing it live. I have one that I will do live. Who else has one ready?
i'm not tramayning sadly it's not worth the coughing fit it would probably give me.
it is probably GMM forking out one of their 10 daily highly researched F1 stories :-)
You can't tremayne if you are happy. I hope he loses the next set to make you miserable.
Utter rubbish. The BRDC will never sell the track
And now you are trapped. You should tremayne about being lured into such a place
even one set is like a victory for him these days. Too happy to Tremayne!
Rule one of reporting news on SPC: Check for these 3 letters: GMM.
"grr. new comments keep appearing and demanding my attention. grr."
Hmmm... They probably won't, but I wouldn't rule it out. If selling Silverstone was the only way to keep the British GP alive, they would at least consider it.
Just sent a really bad one :(
:D
nonsense. they do not need the f1 grand prix.
My tremayne is about sidepodcast
are you doing it live?
grr this game will probably go til 4am and then theres a live show and then my alarm goes off at 6.45 so no sleep for me. grrrrrr.
There is no chance they would sell it. They view it as part of their heritage and the heritage of British motor sport.
We should have a Tremayne competition tonight!
+44 121 28 87225
Absolutely. Never give away your punchlines.
Even at the price of no F1 in Britain? Again, this is a long-shot at best, but I would not rule it out.
how subtle. :P
Ricky Hatton should have listened to ya mate!
I am sure Amy knows how to skype sidepodcast.
If there are not many live calls we could get Kathi to call randoms.
Good thing he didn't. :D
I think that may be why we're talking about it.
There will be a 2010 GP at Silverstone
why do they care if there's an f1 race in the uk? british racing drivers club. no mention of f1 or grand prix in that title?
hehehe.
Most boxers lead with their left or right. He leads with his face. Still for £15 million
Heikkis sister? :D
That's assuming a number of things:
1. We have proper F1 in 2010 - very likely, but this cannot be assumed right now.
2. Bernie was bluffing when he said they'd skip Britain in 2010 to give Donington more time - I actually think he meant this one. Anything but Silverstone, really.
That is what tonight's live show is
I'll do mine live too. Though once I get started, you'll probably have to try and stop me!
Too true, too true. :D The better it is for us then. ;)
he's bluffing.
we thought he was bluffing about canada or indy - he wasn't.
It is the result of watching Bernie pull this garbage for 20 odd years. 10 years ago he gave a 7 year contract to Brands Hatch.
i didn't think he was bluffing about indy. saw it coming several thousand miles off.
bernie is somewhat weakened right now. but he doesn't have to rush into anything though, and neither do silverstone and they won't sell their circuit to him.
why these guys don't go and set up a proper poker series for themselves instead of messing up F1 ...
they have one - they meet every friday at the force india motorhome. ;)
You can lose your own money at poker. Bernie doesn;t like that
it's the only way he knows how to do business. and to be fair, it works for him.
they're only messing up f1 if you believe every quote and read every headline. take a two steps back and it's a fun to watch.
Are adidas sponsoring the roof or the launch of the roof? All the players seem to be wearing it
well, true, just take the Friday meeting and the reports of no agreement, no progress. and then quietly BBC publishes interviews with both Mosley and Ecclestone that no major F1 sites picked up - both of them clearly stating that the two tier championship idea will be scrapped :-) even Autosport only mentioned this today ...
Does Bernie own any other circuits? I've got a feeling he owns the Hungaroring? Silverstone would be a bit more sensible if its for sale
all true. in fact the bbc somehow managed not to make a big deal of their very own exclusive.
he somehow runs Istanbul
I have heard that he owns Hungary but generally he has not bought circuits but has acted as the promoter. That way someone else gets the bills and he makes a fat profit
!
that is all.
Yeah, and the naming and shaming of Toyota didn't seem to make as much news as I expected.
I think he managed to get the promoters rights for Istanbul following the politicing of the podium ceremony. He also promoted Spa and one or two others from time to time.
Is that because of the tennis?
so the issue now is over the issue of governance, right?
BTW, if ferrari somehow lose their injunction, does that mean they'll still quit in 2010? or will they just force themselves to accept it?
4-3 up with a break according to Sue Barker
5-3! all he has to do is hold serve! I might fall over.
Yeah but if he owns a few erupoean circuits he can use that to jack up the fees on all the others when he needs to.
Paul Ricard *grin*
Ferrari are going nowhere unless there is a breakaway series
no, then they will have to focus on the cost saving measures the teams went to work on
does anyone actually believe that Ferrari would quit F1 ?
sit down and tie yourself to a chair
I could never understand why he let Max introduce a testing ban before he sold his test track
Not a chance
If they lose, then, what is more likely - them realistically staying within the 40M budget cap, or the budget cap getting readjusted?
deuce for the match!
I'm in bed but its all too much, I might fall out.
well, the cap isn't really 40 mil ... it is much more. but anyway at the end I think the teams will come next week with an alternative proposal and agree on that with FIA
the cap is 40M, but there's a lot of exempted items. the alternative proposal makes sense, but they want to teach max a lesson and make him listen to them before he does anything. just creating and agreeing on an alternative proposal won't achieve that goal.
I dont really understand why, if Max is really serious about a budget cap, we have this frankenstein proposal that seems to cap sporting expenses (although even then, still not including the drivers) but ignores potentially frivolous back-office expenses.... Maybe he likes the fancy motorhomes too much
that is true, but for all the number one priority (no matter what they say) is to race next year (unless the mother company already decided to quit F1) . So, I suspect first things will come first.
perhaps because those aspects may become either impossible to police or hinder f1 becoming more popular (like marketing).
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
well there may be many commercial contracts in place that can't simply be cancelled from day to day ...
but that would mean two things
1. nothing will have changed
2. LDM will lose to Max.
For LDM, #1 is bad enough. #2 just makes it a heck of a lot worse.
If Bernie and Max have both said there won't be a two tier system why not enter without the budgie cap and ignore it.
But won't we end up with teams spending £40m on the car, £30m on some drivers, and then £200m on chefs, pants and schmoozing? Does that not seem backwards to everyone?
well, the two tier thing is going to go, Luca will see on Tuesday if he wins or looses in the court. and when it comes to governance, calm heads and wait for the next FIA president elections may also be a way forward ...
Because what now remains is that everyone HAS to follow the budget cap. Otherwise, the new teams can't enter F1.
Deloitte (Max's chosen accounting firm) said that such irregular spending can be traced and checked, so they said such scenarios shouldn't be possible.
yes, that will happen in some teams, so that is the reason why the cap is not really 40 mil ... some the areas that are outside the cap are to be there only for limited time. but I suspect that the cap will not happen anyway because the teams are not convinced it can be policed. they will come with other costy cutting measures, perhaps agreement on supply of standard parts to independent teams etc etc
unless FOTA can find a credible rival, max will run again and win another term. that's not the right way to go at this point.
They are tackling the problem the wrong way but that is Bernie and Max for you. They fon't have a clue between them
Im not talking about teams disguising that fancy new suspension's development as a nice new pair of pants... Im talking about teams actually spending that much on the ancilliaries compared to the racing
why ? they can still go and spend 40 mil per season. the only matter is how to make this kind of cars at least a bit competitive and the teams profitable allowing them to invest and spend more in future. and that is what the current teams and FIA should work out
Hilary Swank is giving out the prizes. I'm confused.
Oh. Well, while that is possible, I don't think it's likely. Teams won't spend any more than they need to on schmoozing the VIPs. Remember, that was the first area where teams made spending cuts.
max said he's not budging on the budget cap. with no two-tier F1, everyone now has to follow it.
The budget cap should increase by about 5million every season. Isn't that what they were planning to do to some extent?
Huh? I thought they wanted to DEcrease the budget cap (through a glide path), not increase it.
That is always the case unti reality bites. MPs expenses can be controlled then it turns out that one got $13000 to have his moat cleaned out. Another claimed for a house in his constiuency that was 100 miles in the opposite direction and a couple with two houses each claimed for one of them as their second home.
RBS needed £24 billion from the British taxpayer to keep it in business when it thought it was solvent and had 'reputable' accountancy firms auditing its books.
I dont see why the drivers shouldnt be included. If they raised the cap and included them, then teams would have to choose to spend cash on making the car faster or buying in a good driver.
But then again the better drivers could all decide to go do something else
The teams can't get an FIA preident elected. I suspect nick Craw will get the job.
AHHHH BUDGET CAPS AGAIN!!!! :(
If driver budgets got included in the cap some of them might have ended up not being to afford their superlicenses ;)
But shouldn't the auditor also be seeing what's going on? It may be an individual auditing fault in this case rather than a generalization.
They wanted to do something to the figure, I know that.
well he also said the he is open to alternative ideas on cost cutting from the teams. the problem with the cap is that all parties involved in F1 are experts in finding ways around the rules. the teams simply do not believe it can be policed. look at the governments and tax collection ... the cheat is always ahead when it comes to money ...
You think Craw can beat Max this time round?
:-) welcome to the real world. remember that auditor is a supplier of a service and wants to keep the job :-)
Worse than that fines are not included. So teams can cheat as much as they like so long as they only get fined and it is not counted in their budget.
For example McLaren could have been fned $100 million and still been under the budget cap. How stupid is that?
i mean external auditors, not internal accountants. in this case, whoever the FIA will hire to look at their F1 books.
How many major companies are in a financial mess becuse no-one correctly assessed their financial state or risk?
Do you not think the FIA will just punish them by DSQ them instead?
The FIA aren't THAT stupid
They want to reduce it
the answer is simple. Giant novelty cheques.
Remember after the vote of confidence there was a block of organisations that threatened to split and set up their own federation. Since then we have heard not a single word from them. That can only mean that they have been organising a campaign to oust Max and they must be confident of succeeding or they would be setting up a rival body.
As per Alianora's post I think Max is toast.
They will find what the FIA want them to find regardless of reality. Remember ENRON
I remember Joe thinking Max will get reelected, as did JA...
They could do anything but even a $5k fine should count in a budget cap. How can a fine not count as part of the budget cap?
Sleep
So what have Craw and co been doing?
This spacewalk is turning into a farce. They have spent insane amounts of time money and effort and they can't get a hand rail off.
i'm sure they're trying something, but max won't be standing still, either.
The FIA really need to restructure the whole organisation to have a sporting head and a motoring head, unless this happens i cant see the whole thing staying together in the long run
ok. see you all in 2 hours.
How on earth does she listen to you?! We've been telling her that for days!
By any chance, is your last name 'Craw'? :D
She didn't listen to him. It's just that tennis is already done. :D
2 hour sleeps are the worst¬
night
There was a body (FISA) that ran sport. Max was elected president of FISA and used that as a launch pad for his FIA presidency campaign. He then abolished FISA to stop anyone doing the same to him. The FIA president should not be involved in sport other than as absolute last resort.
Where did my day go?
:D
She will be back in 20 minutes saying she can't sleep. First time she has listened to me.
i'm still here :P
I agree, but at the moment the buck stops with the president himself, i think a he should delegate somone to deal with sporting disputes et al
Remember Nico said a water bottle not a laptop
Here's a bit of the Twitter convo me and Amy have had:
Amy: I love it when every weekend has something on! Who needs sleep?
Me: YOU!
It would still do the trick :D
FISA needs to be re-instated and all procedures for electing / appointing people throughout the FIA needs to be reviewed
that was to prevent the deep sleep, I think I need deep sleep. Now I actually am going, I don't promise to be back for the live show, I get a feeling turning off the alarm will feel mighty good.
and.. no Craw here i'm afraid*
*Probably ;)
She nearly broke her laptop a couple of days ago doing that
Live tremayning is not to be missed
Won't happen while Mosley is there. But given Craw's background, he'd probably go back to that arrangement if he were elected.
Imaginary headline:
Tractors plough Paris GP circuit
I tell you, I've got a big Tremayne brewing.
I think NASA does some really stupid things at times. Why not consider the possibility that the handle could not be removed and design the capture plate to fit over it. Basic fail safe planning.
Just got this link through Twitter:
http://grandprixtv.net/video.aspx?id=195
Was quite good ;)
That was one of Brundle's pieces for ITV. He did a series of technical and driving set pieces which were shown during GP programs
watching that, this movable wings idea.. wont that negate the effect of slipsteaming somewhat?
In theory it should help the following car rather than the leading car but the amount of variability is so littl that as far as I can see it makes no difference whatever.
Actually you have a point. If one driver is slipstreaming another, they're both going to move the wings to the lowest setting available, so no-one's really gaining an advantage. Corner entry and exit speed will be the difference.
No way. The guy doing the spacewalk just tweeted. FIX!
:D
The theory is that the following car can run more wing because it does not have as much drag as the car in front is making a hole in th air.
Yeah but for next year wont it be more?
If i underatand it right a big part of slipstreaming is that the driver behind has less air hitting his wings so they slow him down less, if thy both go flat there will be less advantage to the guy behind
OOPS It wasn't him just someone from Hubble starting a message with his name. Must read and not scan.
Exactly.
On the straight yes but in the corner the following guy in theory gains on the leading car and if he is travelling faster he will carry that advantage down the straight. The thing is he has to genereate downforce in the corner and he can only do that if the air is affecting his wing. If the air is affecting the wing it is creating drag.
You really need Indy to supply some of the F1 teams with the gurney flaps they use. They seem to be more effective than any the teams have come up with.
You would think NASA would have given them a hacksaw for emergenies
Gurney flaps are just wing extensions. A wing with a Gurney flap is just the same as using a slightly bigger wing
Is Indy Bump day even on tv here?
A Gurney flap creates an area of high pressure air by trapping it, causing the air to flow over the wing in a gentle curve and give more downforce.
Yes but Gurney flaps simply modify and existing wing. You can make a wing with the same shape without a Gurney. The point about Gurney flaps is that they are removable which is now illegal in F1 as far as I know.
fakebernie:Since he loves to give and receive a good spank, Max’s approach to cost cutting should come as no surprise to anyone.
Yep that's how they were thought up - to modify an existing wing. Kinda like trimming the ailerons in a plane...
WOAH, just heard about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDqsUvzvO1Y
You will not expect it coming!!
I did say 'Woah, you were right!' but it decided nto to show... still, wow!
What on earth was the sc driver doing? You don't cross the track like that
There is a line there for a reason!!!!
Right, have fun tonight all with the show if it's on. I'm off out, church then some good company :) have fun!!! May be around later
see ya jon
See ya later mate
There is a show tonight? No fair. I may just have to keep the panda ;)
Oh no! Apologies. It appears we are not capable of taking a week off.
Guess that is why there is a blend line
Can you get the panda to phone in and tremayne
Post is up for all those joining us:
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/05/17/live-seems-empty-without-a-panel/
I'll see
Fair enough. Maybe I can still relinquish the panda. He is eating a lot of bamboo.
I have no idea what the guy thought he was doing... And why dont they have a bigger saftey car!
Does the panda have anything to be mad about though?
Hi everyone. Have I missed anything? :D
It is being kept away from you
Dom! hey! hows you? you're in time for the live show :)
Oh man, that was dumb driving from the SC...
Did anyone else think the commentator sounded like the dude from 'Allo 'Allo that always used to salute with "Klop!"?
I always thought the guy said klop on Allo Allo but he says he did not. He said that it was tler as in the end of hitler
It's a good place to end the week. :)
Is giggles on honeymoon?
He only proposed a week or two ago. It is amazing what you can get someone to do when they get on skype
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Giggles'll+Fix+It
Does anyone know a good solution for the feeling of sandpaper being rubbed down your oesphegaus :(
http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Giggles'll+Fix+It
try again
Hello, I am on the daily thread. Come and talk to me.
Chocolate milk.
Use a finer grade
Im not even sure which thread im on!
Hot water with lots of honey and lemon
Maybe MrC should read your blog. That would solve his problem
You're fine
You are on the daily. Stay where you are. Do not move.
Gargle whiskey or vodka
Yes. I guess if he doesn't have time to listen to 60 seconds of audio, reading a blog post is asking a lot.
Whisky, boiled water a teaspon of sugar and some lemon
Are you Irish?
hehehe i like your new technique of getting people in the right threads! hehe :D
a nice warm drink :) honey and lemon is the best :D
No ... just practical
Ah I wondered with the spelling of Whiskey
Honey or milk. Not Tea or Whisky!
haha... my spelling is creative... but usually logical i hope!
Party pooper :D
From fake Bernie
@fakeflav no hard feelings over Renault's threats to leave the series. O gave Piquet Sr. your spot in the Monte Carlo harbour
US F1will be torture testing their car in the autumn...
Will max be involved?
I loved this one from fake max 2 days ago
"Let me see. Red tie or blue tie? The leather thong is a given, of course. Dark suit or very dark suit? Hmmm. The ladies will know."
It looks like USF1 plan to test as much as they can before their testing limits kick in. Good plan. The more I hear about these guys the more convinced I am that they will achieve some level of success.
Grrr, they couldn't even get their name right grrr
Oops, forogt I was still on the live show thread.
Yeah, that safety car driver was an idiot.
NASA put so much thought into their design. The cover they took off Hubble earlier had 111 (yes 111) fasteners all of which had to be removed. The new one has two handles and two locking pins. Maybe the first one was slightly over the top and could have been picked up earlier?
Maybe we need a blend line for the comments when we change threads?
I wonder if it was Jean Ragnotti afain
111? Serious?
again
I wonder what piquet was up to this weekend
People joke that F1's safety car was out for a sunday drive at australia when it came out but today's incident in WTCC really takes the biscuit in terms of a sunday drive!
He's mad, but not that mad I don't think.
He's mad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZWeue-NPhY
Yes. You would have thought even at an early design stage in an office someone would have thought that is too many things to go wrong on the original build never mind in space.
Mission control telling astronauts to lean back so they can watch a lightning storm. The astronauts ignored them
As Steven pointed out, the SC just cut straight across the blend line and right into the path of poor Engstler. It amazes me how incompotent the marshalls were for not getting more yellows and SC boards out sooner to slow them down.
Bad day in space. They had 6 and a half hours to complete a task that should have take 4 and a half hours and they have run out off time to do the next task.
Maybe because they spent an hour and a half trying to undo one screw.
More "Jeannot": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND6aoEPLxYU
He's at his maddest in the little standard Clio, not the Maxi one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRF_thVBpUc
Just realised that I am still sitting here with a headset on. Sidepodcast has a lot to answer for.
Did the tool float away again?
Just a reminder - Ragnotti's Clio was FRONT wheel drive :D
Handbrake?
Now we know where Loeb got his skills from...
No. They had a handle with 4 screws/bolts in it. The first three came out without a problem and the fourth was stuck. Eventually they gave up with the technology and used brute force and ignorance. Of course with a little bit of design they should never have needed to take it off in the first place.
I missed them passing tools without tethers due to tremayning and th like.
That guy is absoloutly nuts! not sure i would be standing that close with him around
That's the whole point of Rallying!
replay of live show now up.
He's gonna be at Silverstone for the WSR. He won't be hard to spot - he'll be the one in the R5 Maxi Turbo doing 360s down the straight and drifting. :D
Sounds a bit like that drift raer at the RoC. Hope they have a few more of them at bejing
No seriously, he will do random 360s. He'll be haring down the pit straight and then all of a sudden yank the handbrake, spin the car 360 and carry on as normal!
Cool, thanks.
Quick question .. is it wordpress that powers your blog?
yup.
TY .. having a thunk
Are you starting another blog already?
good to hear :)
Not yet ;)
Well the STIS that was replaced today has been tested and is working. So all the hassle the astronauts have had seems to have been worthwhile
Oh.
I may have to do a Tremayne impression. How could you do a live show and not tell me?
1/3rd of us wants a blog, the other 2/3rds don't know it yet
Sorry, my fault.
Not Steven's then?
You're forgiven though.
Maybe a little bit Stevens.
:D That's more like it!
What did I do?
For those who haven't seen the talked about WTCC safety car incident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYO4yPmf5AI
off to work i go, hit snooze a few too many times oops
Remember next week is Monaco so you are guaranteed to have a late night on Sunday
It just reminded me of this :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-RNlgMLCuA
Whoops!
:D !
I'm not really a nascar fan, but i would love to watch a race at BMS
no panel helps. Really really helps.
Just think in 10 hours time you can be back commenting full time and building up to missing another night's sleep
six points pour la Bosnie-Herzégovine
oop sorry, wrong night
I've got that woman's voice saying that in my head, over and over...
How was tremayning and how long is the replay?
You missed me singing
Great fun show. Finished by 8:30pm so about an hour ish
Oh good
whats the bet you had to google Bosnie-Herzegovine?
Oi. It was Iceland and everything
I googled the entire sentence because I also didn't know six in French was spelled the same as six in English.
I cant seem to find it on tv iin the uk. Sky are showing NASCAR ASR
Forgot about bump day.
Trying to watch Indy500.com feed but it isn't loading, so have given up. Relying on Twitter and live timing.
John Andretti is grasping at straws trying to get in, he's got one more try I think
That's because Indy quals are not on TV at all here, live or otherwise.
Weren't they on last weekend?
eating porridge out of a bmw mug. Reminds me i need to go and buy the arrows mug at the f1 store.
I didn't know Icelanders had a Mackem accent?
It's on VERSUS here in the US, Canadian complain about not getting VERSUS, I guess it's the same in Europe
TV? No.
Mackem?!!!
I got this working now, Cam2: http://www.indy500.com/
We should probably talk about this on the daily?
Sure, lots of F1 wannabe's in the field.
You don't sound like a mackem to me
I thought you were from Sunderland? Didn't you tell me off for calling you a Geordie before?
Confused!
I told you off for calling me a mackem ;)
The indy site is a nightmare.. seems to either hate Chrome or be overloaded
It took multiple site refreshes in Firefox.
all bounced across, cheers pat.
Ah OK sorry about that. You still don't sound Icelandic! ;)
aha, firefox alllllll the way
My plan is failing. Must take more lessons.
I am getting nowhere with it. Won't load properly
It works!
Firefox wont run properly with 20 odd tabs on the go
nice view of about 40 postits :D
I've got a track map with a dot going round it for cam 1, and a view of the race directors on cam 2
but doohickey and lclt look really nice in chrome :D
If the replay is only an hour so I'll stick it on after Indy quals
doohickey looks even nicer on my desktop version ;)
So does the wiki if I can add ;)
Spacewalk complete. Last spacewalk of the mission is tomorrow.
hahaha touché.
I'm listening to the recording again...i love how shocked Christine is when me says she looks nice lol
Ah they changed cam1. All week it has been the press conference room chair...
Cam 2 has the better commentary.
Mmmmm, desktop doohickey
How did Ryan Hunter-Reay end up on the bubble
Jon did you show me the chimpanzee on a segway earier this week?
The song is stuck in my head...
Not sure. I think he's not with a fast team this year.
yep, twas me. i love it. it's amazing
Right, off to sleep, important tests tomorrow so need a good sleep.
kveðja
This is almost certainly not it
Niiiiiight"!
Night RG
night RG
Aqua?
!
I am soooo glad that I slept last night...
Off to start on the last.fm stuff now... need to work out how it all works first though (and there is fawlty towers on in the back ground which is quite distracting (in a good way)).
Now if he was wearing sparkly trousers...
Damn that song. It's stuck in my mind/
Someone please convince me the last song I've just listened to is not a driving song, please...
http://www.last.fm/user/woodwiss
LOL @ YOU
:D
Poor scott. :(
could be worse, you could be listening to THAT woman :P
lou makes a good point!
i keep trying to listen to norway's eurovision song on youtube. i keep stopping myself but god it's catchy... i need to keep my mind off it *listens to one of the 160 yet unheard podcasts on her ipod*
what's your last.fm username lpg?
are you in love with a fairytale too? :P
littlpurplegoth
note - no 'e' as it wouldn't let me go past 15characters :-(
Not actually completely there 'just' yet though...
oh no...well... yes i suppose i am.. kinda...
Drama at IMS as Ryan Hunter-Reay gets bumped out by John Andretti, but Hunter-Reay was the next in line to qualify and gets back in at the expense of Alex Tagliani. Frankly none of these three names should be fighting over last position.
The 3 DNQs: Tagliani, Barrett, Lazier
its amazing
:) pls link to if when your done :)
hehehe
who'd have thought a bottle based catamaran would be so hard to design...
there is nothing on red bulletin about the Sebs taking on Hungary... which is strange
You'll need 2 bottles, not one.
so this is an event that existed but never took place?
*cue spooky music*
2 litre bottle = 2kg of floating-ness, i'm 70kg + say 40kg for wood and mast + another person (90kg) which is about 100 bottles....but i'm looking for 160.....
It didnt happen? i wasn't really paying attention before, so what was it about the NASCAR?
I dont know, there seems to be no photos of it, no news about it, nothing about it on the red bulletin...
Perhaps it was an elaborate joke no one picked up on...
Having done some stuff with 2 lire bottles before, i recommend pretaping them into 3's and building with the triangular blocks
Ah. Didn't realise you were planning on a life-size one.
thanks, i'm planning on building a frame for them because they'res so many
oooooh yes
please please live comment and send pictures as you make it! :D
i'm going to do it after exams which is a months timeish, plus i need to collect all the bottles, but i have alot of people collecting them for me, so that shouldnt take too long :)
Ah, at least I only have to get up at 7 tomorrow rather than quarter to 6. I'll welcome the extra 1 and a quarter hours sleep :D
cool!
should be good, although i'm yet to find a place to sail it....but thats just a small problem....insignificant ;)
Im not an engineer, but if you have V shape hulls, maybe fill the bottom row of bottles with water to act as a keel?
wow, thats a really awesome idea. thank you!! would mean i'd have to make them a bit deeper overall to get the same boyancy, but that would totally work!!! thank you :D
Haha, ive no idea if it would work, but i hope it does, i've sailed inflatable boats which spent as much time going sideways as forwards
i'm off to sleep now. night all!! x
Niight!
night
It would, i hope lol, it'll be fun anyways. My first decision is working out how much weight it has to hold, so i can decided how many bottles i need
Im watching 'the car show' on iplayer. I cant belive noel Edmonds used to do top gear
Good morning! :)
Noel Edmonds? Who's he?? Was he from the Clarkson-less era of TG?
Journeyer's here, means my shift is over.
Goodnight all.
Top Gear 1979
went on to do cheesey weekend tv, and now Deal or No Deal.
Morning!
Night
Haha! :P All right, good night, Jon. :)
Whoa - that's 30 years ago...
Hehehe. :D
This guy.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NngdWbvpztk
not the pink one!