It is Thursday and whilst that is usually a bad day around Sidepodcast Towers, it has been tempered during this off season with the ever-excellent Thursday Thoughts. Today it is Gavin's turn to host the question, so keep an eye on his blog for your prompt this week. Now onto some F1 things we're talking about:

  • Massa returned to the track this week, getting behind the wheel of the F2007 again, to continue his training for 2010. He completed just under 100 laps over two days, and afterwards said that although it was a different car, he felt comfortable in there, his driving style hadn't changed and he was still pretty quick.
  • Scott has the opportunity of a lifetime, working at the fabled Classic Team Lotus on a voluntary basis at the moment. Some excellent work experience, some great sights to be seen, and famous faces to be met! He's blogged about his first few days on the job and it sounds like an amazing time already.
  • Of course the big news of yesterday was Renault's announcement, but I was very intrigued to read about Kubica and his manager's concerns over the changes. It makes perfect sense that he signed up for one thing and now it's different he has questions. I am interested in how this one works out.

That'll do it for now, assuming we all get through Thursday together, then Friday is just around the corner and that's always good times. I'll see you in the comments.

620 responses

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:08

    welcome thursday.

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 00:08

    Hello Thursday. You'd better be nice!

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 00:08

    welcome thursday.

    Hmmmm....

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:09

    Hmmmm....

    not good?

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 00:10

    Time to head off I think. Night all. :)

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:11

    Time to head off I think. Night all. :)

    night lukeh

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 00:12

    not good?

    I'm just not sure where my day's gone.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 00:12

    Time to head off I think. Night all. :)

    night Lukeh

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:14

    I'm just not sure where my day's gone.

    me too. i blame... fourstar.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 00:14

    hooray you have reached the same day as me. I have enormous fear of commenting in the wrong day without noticing.

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 00:15

    hooray you have reached the same day as me. I have enormous fear of commenting in the wrong day without noticing.

    What do you mean?

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:15

    hooray you have reached the same day as me. I have enormous fear of commenting in the wrong day without noticing.

    it's not the kinda thing to keep you awake at night though right? we can just move them, we have the power.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 00:16

    I have to go shopping today :(

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:16

    I have to go shopping today :(

    xmas shopping?

  • lou17/12/2009 at 00:18

    xmas shopping?

    yep, which isn't as bad because i'm not buying anything for myself, but i'm not a fan of shopping. I'm not a fan of the crowds and i just don't enjoy it.

    ....

    ...

    ....

    visiting the technology or book depts is another matter though :)

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 00:20

    i mean sometimes i am involved in a conversation and it goes midnight in uk so the default thread changes in mobile doohickey and i dont notice and end up commenting on the same topic in 2 different days. I know you can move them mr c but i hate to cause work for you! I dont lose sleep over it though. I reserve that for thinking about how much money i need for my trip ;)

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 00:20

    xmas shopping?

    I have done officially none of mine. Some things are sorted but only because I split the cost of things my sister chose and bought.

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:22

    I have done officially none of mine. Some things are sorted but only because I split the cost of things my sister chose and bought.

    genius!

  • lou17/12/2009 at 00:22

    I have done officially none of mine. Some things are sorted but only because I split the cost of things my sister chose and bought.

    #ineedasister ..... :)

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 00:24

    i did all of mine online. Not leaving the house rules.

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 00:27

    #ineedasister ..... :)

    Yeah. You can share mine if you want? She's the bestest person ever.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 00:29

    Yeah. You can share mine if you want? She's the bestest person ever.

    :D

  • lou17/12/2009 at 00:30

    i suppose i should get some sleep before i have to head off outside in the morning and shop... send me good vibes! it's not going to be fun.

    night all! xxx

  • me17/12/2009 at 00:30

    night lou.

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 00:39

    i suppose i should get some sleep before i have to head off outside in the morning and shop... send me good vibes! it's not going to be fun.

    Good luck!!

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 01:00

    hooray i have picked up hours at work til 11pm on new years eve. Now i have a good excuse to not do anything for it! (i hate new year eve. Irrational hate)

  • me17/12/2009 at 01:03

    hooray i have picked up hours at work til 11pm on new years eve. Now i have a good excuse to not do anything for it! (i hate new year eve. Irrational hate)

    that'll help your budget too.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 01:09

    ooh yes. Not only do i get the overtime pay the guy giving the shift away offered $50 in bribery money to get someone to do it. I would have done it without the bribe but i wont turn it down!

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 01:10

    yeah im not a new years eve fan either amy.

    bring on Bahrain. we should hold a new F1 years eve party!!

    although bahrain can be stricken because the track is just wrong. I wish Tilke would quit!

  • me17/12/2009 at 01:10

    ooh yes. Not only do i get the overtime pay the guy giving the shift away offered $50 in bribery money to get someone to do it. I would have done it without the bribe but i wont turn it down!

    thursday is already a good day!

  • me17/12/2009 at 01:22

    we should hold a new F1 years eve party!

    last year, we hung out in the comments. i can see that happening again this year :)

  • me17/12/2009 at 01:22

    right. must sleep.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 02:21

    http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/image/4334.html?page=4

    Can anyone shed some light on this? what is Adrian up to?

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 02:25

    Can anyone shed some light on this? what is Adrian up to?

    I looked at that at the time and I am clueless. Benetton used to run a wing with wires like that in the mid 80s but that wire was structural. Clearly since they have run all season without wire it is not needed structurally. I am not even sure it is legal to race with the wire in place as I suspect it crosses some exclusion boxes.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 02:34

    yeah the wire i assume is a stabilisation mechanism until it can be fited properly.

    the device on teh nose is what im curious about. maybe RBR have come up with an idea to place a camera ratehr that the cameras set up beside the nose cone. removing the side cameras would free up air into the sidepods and befrore that the suspension etc.

    it could also just be a balast point? cant wait to see if it sticks. Knowing adrian, i think it will

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 02:39

    Definitely not ballast. They want the ballast as low as possible for the centre of gravity and next year the front tyres are narrower so they won't need ballast in the nose.

    The teams love the side cameras and use them as flow conditioners so they won't ask for them to be moved. It could be a camera housing to get pictures from the test for promotion or launch video.

    You will often see a similar housing under the nose which house a laser which measures ride height but a laser in the high position wouldn't give them any information.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 02:47

    Far out Steven! You have given me something there mate. lasers for ride height measurments etc. I like it. never considered it, never knew about it. like i said press coverage here is minimal, so no need to mention tests never get a go on the news.

    never really thought it would be ballast for the same reasons you gave, but this is adrian, who knows what he has going on at the rear of the car.

    Promotional video seems the likely scenario for me though.

    Another thing, has geoff Willis been snapped up again yet? i rate geoff highly.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 02:53

    The laser ride height measurement is only used in testing.

    The only reason for the ballast moving forward this year was because the FIA demonstrated its usual ignorance. When they changed from grooved tyres to slicks they kept the same width tyres front and rear without realising that there was a different percentage of groove across the width of the two tyres so they ended up with a higher ratio of front to rear contact patch. So they are making narrower front tyres for next season to sort out the mess.

    Haven't seen anything about Geoff WiIlis. I am amazed he has not been snapped up.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 03:02

    Yeah i knew all that about the tyres. The technical aspects are what attract me to the sport the most. id be as bold to say, i could tell you what car was what and what year it was if the liveries were stripped back to white.

    maybe Geoff is enjoying the time off. he may end up at Virgin, or back BAR/brawn/Mercedes.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 03:04

    Yeah i knew all that about the tyres. The technical aspects are what attract me to the sport the most. id be as bold to say, i could tell you what car was what and what year it was if the liveries were stripped back to white.

    Normally someone will post a series of white pics of ever car once a season as a quiz. Some times I get all of them other times I fail miserably. We are going through a spell now where the cars look quite different to each other but there have been times when most of the cars looked nearly identical.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 03:07

    i cant tell you what year a car is even with the livery on it.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 03:08

    i cant tell you what year a car is even with the livery on it.

    Not even a Brawn?

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 03:12

    I've arrived. The plane, that is docked at our gate, is covered in ice. Meep!

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 03:12

    I've arrived. The plane, that is docked at our gate, is covered in ice. Meep!

    You have arrived in Germany?

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 03:16

    i hope im around to see that quiz. thatd be fun.

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 03:17

    You have arrived in Germany?

    Nope. Helsinki airport

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 03:19

    Nope. Helsinki airport

    Horrible time to fly but I guess the afvantage is that the airport is not so busy.

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 03:20

    My Thai friend pointed this out to me: http://ilifetv.truelife.com/tvonline-player.jsp?channel_id=panda

    It's the big brother panda channel. We talked about here before, right? Or was it on Christine's blog.

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 03:21

    Horrible time to fly but I guess the afvantage is that the airport is not so busy.

    I like it because I can take the overnight bus to the airport. It's quicker and quieter.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 03:21

    My Thai friend pointed this out to me: http://ilifetv....jsp?channel_id=panda

    It's the big brother panda channel. We talked about here before, right? Or was it on Christine's blog.

    I don't remember it.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 03:22

    i cant tell you what year a car is even with the livery on it.

    thats becasue your watching the helmets Amy. LOL seeing if you can see heikki's finnish blue eyes.

    LOL @ steven "not even a brawn"

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 03:22

    I like it because I can take the overnight bus to the airport. It's quicker and quieter.

    I can see the advantage in that

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 03:24

    i dont watch the helmets i just watch the race as a whole and dont look au amy particular car in great detail :D

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 03:26

    I don't remember it.

    It's a 24/7 Panda channel

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 03:28

    I was just joking Amy.

    24/7 panda channel. sounds as exciting as real big brother.

    if i wanted to watch people eat grass all day i'd hang out at my hippy mates place, or create another woodstock. :-)

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 03:30

    It's a 24/7 Panda channel

    I remember some zoo pandacams. I just don't remember this one. No doubt when Christine appears she will tell us when it was mentioned.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 03:56

    pandas not exciting? You must be new here ;)

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 04:08

    Booooo random middle of the night awakeness = bad times

    I don't know why I'm not tired.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 04:15

    go to bed alison! You are feeling sleeeeepy

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 04:19

    yeah newish. I know about MArs C and her panda monium. LOL

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 04:20

    go to bed alison! You are feeling sleeeeepy

    I've had about 4 hours. I just woke up for no reason.... Maybe I just don't need to sleep!

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 04:22

    plane is slightly less icy now. Maybe we will survive

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 04:24

    safe travels kathi!

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 04:26

    safe travels kathi!

    thanks. you too. I'm hoping I will have internet before you leave but who knows with those underdeveloped countries.

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 04:27

    safe travels kathi!

    Oooh where are we going? :D

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 04:28

    Oooh where are we going? :D

    to my parents' for Christmas

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 04:29

    to my parents' for Christmas

    Ah I see is that in Germany or did I just make that up?

  • Kathi17/12/2009 at 04:33

    Ah I see is that in Germany or did I just make that up?

    oops yes in Germany. about 100km east of Munich

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 04:38

    oops yes in Germany. about 100km east of Munich

    Ah well have a good flight :D

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 05:15

    Haven't seen anything about Geoff WiIlis. I am amazed he has not been snapped up.

    As of October he was set to join Sauber according to Autosport. Not sure if they will go through now.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 05:37

    Rich - thanks for the heads up mate. Woever gets him will be better off for it. he did a great job at BA under Dave Richards.

    And you must be the Rich who likes heidfeld.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 05:45

    And you must be the Rich who likes heidfeld.

    I am a Nick fan - but in all honesty he is the ONLY F1 driver I have actually met - a really nice guy, pity people do not rewatch races and see just how good an over-taker he really is, just his smooth style does not make qualifying very good.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 07:10

    Mr Hartley still thinks he'll make it to F1.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/3171457/Hartleys-F1-breakthrough-still-alive

    Interesting to see his team mate is Mr Ricciardo, who if I remember rightly was very impressive in the young driver testing.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 07:32

    i do watch the races again, and again and again etc. ive got about 98% of the races since 97. I really dont rate him. I think my dislike stems from when he was wrongly given credit for beating Webber when they were at williams. That really peeved me coz webber is 10 times the driver.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 07:34

    nice find Amy. that will be a great battle to follow. Go Go Disco!!!

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 07:50

    nice find Amy. that will be a great battle to follow. Go Go Disco!!!

    its a trans-tasman battle for the ages.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 07:54

    Agree totally Journeyer. That was my only sad bit about losing toyota.

    Disco and Fartley battle will be mega!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 08:36

    Good Morning!

    Made it to work - took me 3 hours because of the snow - but it was fun and I have great pics!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 08:36

    OK guys - the Jenson has been pushed - so here is this week's Thursday Thought: "What do you want to get F1 for Christmas?"

    Have fun and I can't wait to hear from you - I will write a post later ;)

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 08:48

    @ rubbergoat. I want to get F1 a chance to swap Bahrain, for a street nightrace in Paris. And also to swap "Hi its me, Al the swarmy" (let me know if that needs explanation) for Disco Dan Ricciardo.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 08:50
  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 08:52
  • Amy17/12/2009 at 08:52

    Like who?

    no one in particular, just more Finns.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 08:54

    Juha Kankinnen

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 08:54

    no one in particular, just more Finns.

    Finns ain't what they used to be

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 08:57

    Juha Kankinnen

    +1 Sir! I was in nappies when I saw him for the first time!

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 08:59

    "What do you want to get F1 for Christmas?"

    It's got rid of Max, isn't that enough for one year?

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 08:59

    I gotta admit, i like the finns too. And not just for their excessive use of the letter 'K'. Always have great drivers. Hakkinen the greatest of all time, but tommi makinnen, now hirko mirvonen (i doubt that spelled correctly) the list goes on

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 09:08

    "What do you want to get F1 for Christmas?"

    It's got rid of Max, isn't that enough for one year?

    Happy thoughts, Mav ;)

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 09:09

    Far out rubbergoat. you just made me discover your page and you blew my mind. Just looking at abu dhabi consistency blog, and i gotta say, this is right down my alley. Loving it.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 09:14

    Far out rubbergoat. you just made me discover your page and you blew my mind. Just looking at abu dhabi consistency blog, and i gotta say, this is right down my alley. Loving it.

    Cheers mate, glad you liked it. My 2009 reviews are in progress too - something a little different and full of pretty graphs of course ;)

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 09:26

    Id love to de la rosa back. i think he can be pretty solid, and yeah, a typical Sauber season. thats why i said it :-)

    @rubbergoat. Cant wait for that mate. I keep my own spreadsheets aswell, but not nearly as detailed as yours. Kudos. great stuff.

  • me17/12/2009 at 09:31

    ooh, autosport have a GT academy promo running. last year they found some real racing drivers on their sofa:

    http://sidepodcast.com/2009/04/09/turning-virtual-dreams-into-reality/

    anyone thinking of taking part?

    http://www.facebook.com/GTAcademy#/GTAcademy?v=app_4949752878

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 09:31

    Seriously rubbergoat, have you ever seen how Homer Simpson drools at a donut? Im doing that now at your blogs. Im a big fan of graphs, and im excited, can you tell? LOL

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 09:33

    anyone thinking of taking part?

    oooh just because its on the ps store I want to download it. And then come last because I don't like/suck at sim racing.

  • me17/12/2009 at 09:41

    ping:

    http://sidepodcast.com/2009/12/17/kobayashi-confirmed-at-sauber/

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 09:51

    @ Lorenzo I agree. he wont be going back to Hinwil. It will be Merc if anywhere, but i think he'll stay put, the Merc seat has gone.

  • Lorenzo17/12/2009 at 09:57

    Kerbrider....Merc seat has gone?? you surely can't be suggesting that a certain 7x WDC might be strengthening his neck muscles over the euro winter, now could you??

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 09:59

    Trust me, its gone.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:01

    Kamui achievced more in his two races than grojean did for half a year, and the same can be said for the other spanish fells. Im not going to attempt spelling it.

    Yes but in a way better car - you need to judge a driver based on his equipment (look at how well Jarno was qualifying?). Nevertheless I think neither other drivers mentioned would be on my shopping list.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 10:04

    Compared to team mates across Toyota, STR and Renault. Kobayashi compared well to an experienced, and known to be quick driver. Grojean spun more than a lobster on a lazy susanne, and the spanish fella was flogged like a rabid dog by Buemi

  • Lorenzo17/12/2009 at 10:06

    Come on Kerbrider! you can't lead us to water with a comment of that gravity and not push our faces in and force us to drink... (well that's how it happens in my family anyway).

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 10:10

    Thats hilarious. All that im saying, is give it a chance. no one is saying hes a champion. he is just an exciting prospect is all. and its all down to his great move on button in abi dabbi

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:23

    Trust me, its gone.

    if so, how come sauber didn't announce nick today?

  • Stuart C17/12/2009 at 10:23

    Morning all.

    Just what everyone needs:

    http://twitter.com/thepaddockmole

    Someone else playing the anonymous insider game. In other news:

    http://www.stuartcodling.com/2009/12/flavio-lobbying-pardon/

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:26

    if so, how come sauber didn't announce nick today?

    because Nick thinks there is a remote chance of a seat at Mercedes!

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:26

    http://twitter.com/thepaddockmole

    Several F1 Secrets will soon be unearthed!!!

    haha, is that one exclamation mark for each secret?

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:27

    because Nick thinks there is a remote chance of a seat at Mercedes!

    that was my assumption.

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 10:28

    Its waiting on teh result of a certain medical test. Its a formality really.

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:31

    omg!

    http://twitter.com/ClaireVWilliams

    (hearts)

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:32

    that was my assumption.

    MS to Mercedes is based on

    a) neck strength and medical clearance

    b) getting out of a contract with Shell

    c) discussing with wife (who is not keen on him resuming a full F1 programme all the while there is any concern with the neck)

    d) MS's own will to compete for 19 races in a full season (he might like the curries too much!)

    It might just be that MS wants to drive but not full time - be a test driver developer.

    All the while MS is in the news and making media headlines the merchandising is going well so why deny?

  • Stuart C17/12/2009 at 10:33

    Its waiting on teh result of a certain medical test. Its a formality really.

    Wot he said (maybe).

    omg!

    Another legend joins the massive!

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:33

    All the while MS is in the news and making media headlines the merchandising is going well so why deny?

    i'd keep it going until january at least.

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:34

    Wot he said (maybe).

    are sauber keeping a seat free for nick or could he be left standing when the music stops?

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:35

    Its waiting on teh result of a certain medical test. Its a formality really.

    With any injury to a vertebra and or spinal column you cannot be certain - putting the neck into high G situations is still a risk - same applies to Felipe - but he is younger which helps.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:36

    i'd keep it going until january at least.

    Mercedes is playing on this to get media coverage - so hence they will not announce until the last minute.

    I think that Kubica might be the real goal.

  • Stuart C17/12/2009 at 10:37

    could he be left standing when the music stops?

    Always a possibility. After all, the music is still going and there are plenty of dance partners out there until the lights go on and the cleaning lady arrives...

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:38

    are sauber keeping a seat free for nick or could he be left standing when the music stops?

    If Fisi is the second driver yes - but if there is a (remote) chance of Kubica going back to Sauber rather take whats on offer.

    Kubica is not likely to risk waiting for a Mercedes drive too long (has more to lose than Nick).

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:40

    Always a possibility. After all, the music is still going and there are plenty of dance partners out there until the lights go on and the cleaning lady arrives...

    Not so many dance partners and some are just not so nice!

  • KerbRider17/12/2009 at 10:48

    Kubica will stay, MS will drive the merc, nick will be at sauber, and why wouldnt windsor want JV at USF1. great marketing for them. the name is big in nth america

  • Stuart C17/12/2009 at 10:49

    Not so many dance partners and some are just not so nice!

    Depends on how desperate for a union the dancers are.

    This metaphor is the gift that keeps on giving.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:52

    Kubica will stay, MS will drive the merc, nick will be at sauber, and why wouldnt windsor want JV at USF1. great marketing for them. the name is big in nth america

    don't get your hope too high on MS - I think it still more publicity making.

    Three years out of a car and he was past his best when he retired (lost two championships while in the best team) plus a car that is realistically only going to be fourth best!

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:52

    Depends on how desperate for a union the dancers are.

    or what other dance floors you could move to!

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:53

    Three years out of a car and he was past his best when he retired (lost two championships while in the best team) plus a car that is realistically only going to be fourth best!

    you're applying common sense to the argument. if the man comes back, it's because he's not thinking straight.

    i still blame jenson.

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 10:54

    Three years out of a car and he was past his best when he retired (lost two championships while in the best team) plus a car that is realistically only going to be fourth best!

    The 2005 car was no way the best car

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:54

    you're applying common sense to the argument. if the man comes back, it's because he's not thinking straight.

    Hopefully his wife is thinking for him - and I blame Jordan for this he started it even before Jenson moved!

  • me17/12/2009 at 10:56

    The 2005 car was no way the best car

    twas the best car at indy :)

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 10:57

    twas the best car at indy :)

    safety car might have given it a run for its money

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 10:57

    The 2005 car was no way the best car

    It was not better than the Renault - I still think he was past his best - MS is also really not good when mixed up in the traffic - he needs the best car to win. He actually makes quite hash of overtaking on too many occasions.

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 10:59

    twas the best car at indy :)

    There was no race at Indianapolis in 2005. Just like there was no race at Austria in 2002. My mind cannot remember either of them, just a picture that says 'Scene missing' ;)

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 10:59

    I do think Schumi was a product of his era - his wings have been clipped by the refuelling ban

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:04

    I do think Schumi was a product of his era - his wings have been clipped by the refuelling ban

    well that silenced y'all! :-D

  • me17/12/2009 at 11:05

    well that silenced y'all! :-D

    see, now i'm torn. i don't like the refueling ban, but if it makes schumi's life more tricky...

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 11:06

    I do think Schumi was a product of his era - his wings have been clipped by the refuelling ban

    Schumacher has already raced in non-refueling F1 races though so he knows how to handle them

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 11:06

    The 2005 car was no way the best car

    Also remember the FIA then stood for Ferrari International Assistance - it was period when the Renault Mass dampener was banned and Alonso got punished fro impeding Massa by being on the same straight as the Ferrari driver.

    If MS returns to race - it will be miserable for the guy if not outright embarrassing. The scene and circumstances have change too much - and I keep saying Brawn was in a huge capital shortfall to develop next year's car - so it is unlikely to be better than fourth.

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:09

    Schumacher has already raced in non-refueling F1 races though so he knows how to handle them

    He knows how to handle them but it's not his forte that gave him an edge

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 11:09

    He knows how to handle them but it's not his forte that gave him an edge

    True enough.

  • me17/12/2009 at 11:13

    If MS returns to race - it will be miserable for the guy if not outright embarrassing. The scene and circumstances have change too much - and I keep saying Brawn was in a huge capital shortfall to develop next year's car - so it is unlikely to be better than fourth.

    if he takes a title winning car and manages 4th - 8th, i shall be quite amused. i assume though that if he gets in the mercedes it'll be because he brawn have managed to cook the rule books again.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 11:17

    if he takes a title winning car and manages 4th - 8th, i shall be quite amused. i assume though that if he gets in the mercedes it'll be because he brawn have managed to cook the rule books again.

    We think alike but Brawn's success was a combination of fortunate circumstance - how would the season have been if their rear diffuser got banned and they lost results of the first two races? A brawn flaps its wing and.....

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 11:20

    I got my second First :D

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:21

    We think alike but Brawn's success was a combination of fortunate circumstance - how would the season have been if their rear diffuser got banned and they lost results of the first two races? A brawn flaps its wing and.....

    It wouldn't have been the right decision though - that's not fortune, that's just fair

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 11:21

    I got my second First :D

    Yay well done

    I swear my uni must be the only place that doesn't do assignments in firsts/seconds/etc but nore A-F grades in a 16 mark boundary. The degree is declared in first/second/etc though of course. Plus my uni sucks. ;)

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 11:22

    I swear my uni must be the only place that doesn't do assignments in firsts/seconds/etc but nore A-F grades in a 16 mark boundary. The degree is declared in first/second/etc though of course. Plus my uni sucks. ;)

    That is a bit odd!

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 11:23

    It wouldn't have been the right decision though - that's not fortune, that's just fair

    The FIA is not always fair - I happen to agree it should have been banned - but I also think it was unfair to have banned the Renault Mass Dampener.

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:24

    I swear my uni must be the only place that doesn't do assignments in firsts/seconds/etc but nore A-F grades in a 16 mark boundary. The degree is declared in first/second/etc though of course. Plus my uni sucks. ;)

    That is a bit odd!

    It's the percentage that matters though, right?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:24

    #MFC: Guy gets to direct a Hollywood movie after uploading a YouTube clip

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8417789.stm

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 11:25

    It's the percentage that matters though, right?

    They all go into the final degree grade, yeah, apart from the first year where not one mark matters but as far as I know that's quite common. I don't mind, I repefer it like that with a bondary of F1 up to A16 (The only time where I'd hate F1 ;)) if I'm honest.

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:26

    The FIA is not always fair - I happen to agree it should have been banned - but I also think it was unfair to have banned the Renault Mass Dampener.

    Why? It didn't break any rule? Just this whimsical "spirit" nonsense and show me a team that doesn't do that (you'll find them at the back of the grid if you do fancy going to look)

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:27

    yep, which isn't as bad because i'm not buying anything for myself, but i'm not a fan of shopping. I'm not a fan of the crowds and i just don't enjoy it. {Comment #15}

    I don't like shopping much either - luckily I did the last of my Christmas present shopping this morning (next week will be a nightmare in town, so I'm avoiding it as far as possible). Now I just have to help out with food shopping...

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 11:27

    #MFC: Guy gets to direct a Hollywood movie after uploading a YouTube clip

    Flipping heck!!

    That's amazing!!

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:29

    yeah im not a new years eve fan either amy. {Comment #29}

    Seeing as I have a review meeting at the JobCentre on New Year's Eve (possibly the only thing happening in that place all day, resulting in grumpy staff as well as me being grumpy) so I'm not a fan of it this year either. Until it gets to midnight and I can watch a whole town's worth of fireworks from a bench outside with a glass of lemonade...

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 11:30

    Until it gets to midnight and I can watch a whole town's worth of fireworks from a bench outside with a glass of lemonade...

    that sounds lovely!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:31

    yeah im not a new years eve fan either amy. {Comment #29}

    Seeing as I have a review meeting at the JobCentre on New Year's Eve (possibly the only thing happening in that place all day, resulting in grumpy staff as well as me being grumpy) so I'm not a fan of it this year either. Until it gets to midnight and I can watch a whole town's worth of fireworks from a bench outside with a glass of lemonade...

    There are a lot of humbugs around here. Why all the Xmas and New Year hate?

    You lot need to get jobs working offshore so that you can be away from it all!

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 11:32

    There are a lot of humbugs around here. Why all the Xmas and New Year hate?

    I hate New years Eve because I get a year older on the day! I'm allowed to! :P

    Christmas however is awesome. ;)

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 11:33

    There are a lot of humbugs around here. Why all the Xmas and New Year hate?

    I have to work right through to 3am on New Years Day.... I think that has made me somewhat humbugish!

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 11:33

    Why? It didn't break any rule? Just this whimsical "spirit" nonsense and show me a team that doesn't do that (you'll find them at the back of the grid if you do fancy going to look)

    Because other teams took the same idea for pre-approval and the FIA turned it down! One rule one consistency - Brawn got away with it because the entire season could be sold as David vs Goliath of course it was not it was a Super Goliath (in terms of development) slaying two other Goliaths - the real David of the season was Red Bull. Sure the team made mistakes, the drivers made mistakes but is was the best package and even though it is not my team I rather hope they win the championships (either) next year.

    I do not have very strong feelings though - but there was an element of unfairness which is my real point.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:33

    There are a lot of humbugs around here. Why all the Xmas and New Year hate?

    I have to work right through to 3am on New Years Day.... I think that has made me somewhat humbugish!

    What kind of shop do you work at with those hours?

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:34

    I think my dislike stems from when he was wrongly given credit for beating Webber when they were at williams. That really peeved me coz webber is 10 times the driver. {Comment #74}

    The trouble was that statistically Nick did better until his accidents...

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 11:36

    What kind of shop do you work at with those hours?

    A STUPID ONE!!!

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:36

    There are a lot of humbugs around here. Why all the Xmas and New Year hate?

    You lot need to get jobs working offshore so that you can be away from it all! {Comment #153}

    I like Christmas and New Year.

    I don't like hassle and being messed about (which next week in town will be because of all the shoppers and this year's New Year's Eve will be because my adviser gave me a meeting date that even other JobCentre staff thought was odd).

    Besides, I can't get a job working anywhere, which might be where part of the stress is coming from!

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:37

    What kind of shop do you work at with those hours?

    A STUPID ONE!!! {Comment #159}

    How true! I think this can be labelled as "Shop Completely Missing the Point Of the Holiday"...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:37

    What kind of shop do you work at with those hours?

    A STUPID ONE!!!

    Surely it's not open for business at that time?

  • me17/12/2009 at 11:38

    Surely it's not open for business at that time?

    pubs are. that would be similar hours. nightclubs and garages too.

    i don't mind working through the holidays.

  • me17/12/2009 at 11:39

    i don't mind working through the holidays.

    although, unlike amy i don't get $50 for doing so.

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 11:39

    i don't mind working through the holidays.

    Good job too, because you have quite the list to get on with.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:39

    i don't mind working through the holidays.

    although, unlike amy i don't get $50 for doing so.

    In NZ you got an extra day's holiday if you worked a bank holiday...

  • me17/12/2009 at 11:40

    Good job too, because you have quite the list to get on with.

    yes indeedy!

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 11:41

    Surely it's not open for business at that time?

    Sort of. I queried the rota when it first came through. Our opening hours are more or less centrally dictated. I figured it must be a mistake but apparently not..... Someone is having a Scrooge moment. I can't imagine it being a profitable experience for them. They have to pay us triple time for the privilege.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 11:41

    I think my dislike stems from when he was wrongly given credit for beating Webber when they were at williams. That really peeved me coz webber is 10 times the driver. {Comment #74}

    The trouble was that statistically Nick did better until his accidents...

    Yo are being too analytical - Mark being 10x times better is emotional not based on real evidence.

    Nick had five less races that season due to the accident9s)-politics got on the podium three times and got pole position once. Against this Mark got one third place (where Nick happened to finish second) and no pole positions. Mark also originally started out as the numer 1 driver - Nick was only confirmed after a late season shoot-out with Jungle boy as the second driver! Mark cannot overtake - Nick is amongst the best!

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:42

    Because other teams took the same idea for pre-approval and the FIA turned it down! {Comment '156}

    Because they were looking at the rule book the wrong way and therefore asked the wrong question. They then interpreted the answer more widely than was meant. Had they been paying attention when Ross Brawn brought up the loophole the previous May, they could have had double diffusers (after all, Force India were evaluating the concept and only waited until Bahrain to install it because they were an update behind where they intended to be through the engine supplier change).

    The real unfairness is that Brawn were a Goliath-recently-turned-David rather than a pure David, up against two Goliaths (McLaren and Ferrari) and one medium-sized being (Red Bull). Being Goliath and going back to being David is not the same as being David all along...

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 11:45

    Hehehe, I must admit I really love the photoshop I've made for part of my thursday thoughts from Gavin's idea... all will be revealed soon :P love the question this week though

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:45

    Hehehe, I must admit I really love the photoshop I've made for part of my thursday thoughts from Gavin's idea... all will be revealed soon :P love the question this week though

    Oh, what have I done? ;)

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 11:45

    I think the Brawn would still have dominated the start of the season even if it did not have a double diffuser. It is far too simplistic to think that was the only difference. People seem to attribute magical properties to the double diffuser because the Brawn dominated with it. That ignores the fact that two other teams had them and they were decidedly average.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:47

    I think the Brawn would still have dominated the start of the season even if it did not have a double diffuser. It is far too simplistic to think that was the only difference. People seem to attribute magical properties to the double diffuser because the Brawn dominated with it. That ignores the fact that two other teams had them and they were decidedly average.

    I thought Toyota and Williams were better until the others got DDD's?

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 11:48

    I thought Toyota and Williams were better until the others got DDD's?

    I remember Williams being widely described as having missed the boat to exploit their "advantage" that came with their diffuser.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:49

    Several F1 Secrets will soon be unearthed!!! {Comment #107}

    Will this include the secret of why so many people feel the need to be secretive over nothing or very little?

    Also, that many exclamation marks makes me think this might be the work one of THAT Woman's fans...

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:51

    Will this include the secret of why so many people feel the need to be secretive over nothing or very little?

    as long as they don't reveal them after the event with a big "as predicted by me..."

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:52

    Will this include the secret of why so many people feel the need to be secretive over nothing or very little?

    as long as they don't reveal them after the event with a big "as predicted by me..."

    Oh yeah, today I predict it will snow, or it might not.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 11:52

    I thought Toyota and Williams were better until the others got DDD's?

    They had the same jump on the others Bran had and finished something like 5th and 7th in the championship. If you look at the first few races where Brawn dominated you had 6 cars with double diffusers so if having a double diffuser was the crucial factor those cars should have locked out the points but that didn't happen. Heidfeld, Webber and Vettel all finished second in one of the early races therefore the diffuser was not all powerful.

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:52

    Oh yeah, today I predict it will snow, or it might not.

    You can't hedge your bets. You have to predict one or the other (and then conveniently forget your prediction if wrong)

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:53

    They had the same jump on the others Bran had and finished something like 5th and 7th in the championship. If you look at the first few races where Brawn dominated you had 6 cars with double diffusers so if having a double diffuser was the crucial factor those cars should have locked out the points but that didn't happen. Heidfeld, Webber and Vettel all finished second in one of the early races therefore the diffuser was not all powerful.

    the common denominator is the engine

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:53

    I think the Brawn would still have dominated the start of the season even if it did not have a double diffuser. It is far too simplistic to think that was the only difference. {Comment #173}

    John Owen, Brawn's chief of aero, said in the January 2010 edition of F1 Racing (plug alert) that the front wing design was more important and they thought the double diffuser was a neat distraction...

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:54

    the common denominator is the engine

    In fact, if Brawn were in anyway lucky, it was in not getting stuck with the Honda lump

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 11:55

    You can't hedge your bets. You have to predict one or the other (and then conveniently forget your prediction if wrong)

    I thought the secret was to predict both in different comments then when the answer was known to refer back to the correct prediction.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:55

    Oh yeah, today I predict it will snow, or it might not. {Comment #178}

    Given that I had snow in my hair when I got back from shopping this morning, I think that's a pretty safe prediction even without the last phrase!

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 11:56

    John Owen, Brawn's chief of aero, said in the January 2010 edition of F1 Racing (plug alert) that the front wing design was more important and they thought the double diffuser was a neat distraction...

    That doesn't surprise me.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 11:56

    Its waiting on teh result of a certain medical test. Its a formality really. {Comment #109}

    How so? Schumi failed it last time...

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 11:56

    Oh yeah, today I predict it will snow, or it might not.

    You can't hedge your bets. You have to predict one or the other (and then conveniently forget your prediction if wrong)

    I predict Schumacher will not return, as he doesn't want to do a full season, and that Benson/Jordan will have egg on their faces.

    I so hope I get to do the whole "as predicted" thing on this one

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:56

    I thought the secret was to predict both in different comments then when the answer was known to refer back to the correct prediction.

    OK then - It will snow later.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 11:56

    I thought the secret was to predict both in different comments then when the answer was known to refer back to the correct prediction.

    It may not snow later ;)

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 11:57

    In fact, if Brawn were in anyway lucky, it was in not getting stuck with the Honda lump

    That contributed hugely - I remember Rubens saying how more driveable the car was with the Merc engine - especially the smooth power delivery.

    The front end was pretty trick on the Brawn - but I think without the dd Red Bull would have been in the hunt earlier into the season and they would have had both championships.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:00

    Hopefully his wife is thinking for him - and I blame Jordan for this he started it even before Jenson moved! {Comment #126}

    :D Well, if Jordan wants the credit for everything he must also take the blame...

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 12:00

    I predict Schumacher will not return, as he doesn't want to do a full season, and that Benson/Jordan will have egg on their faces.

    I just don't see the point of coming back for one season. The only reason for someone with his record to come back is to win another championship. It took him 4 seasons with Benetton and 5 with Ferrari so the odds of doing it in one year with Mercedes are slim even if Ross Brawn has done a lot of the things Schumacher would want the team to do. I see no point in him coming back unless he is prepared to commit to 3 seasons.

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 12:01

    Hi. Can people stop giving me work please

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:02

    Hi. Can people stop giving me work please

    OK ;)

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:02

    I predict Schumacher will not return, as he doesn't want to do a full season, and that Benson/Jordan will have egg on their faces.

    I'm hoping for a Schumacher non-return - and EJ is (unfortunately) pretty used to the egg/face scenario even if Andrew Benson isn't.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:02

    I predict Schumi won't return.

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 12:02

    OK ;)

    grr trying to get the end of month done without all the info..

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 12:04

    I just don't see the point of coming back for one season. The only reason for someone with his record to come back is to win another championship. It took him 4 seasons with Benetton and 5 with Ferrari so the odds of doing it in one year with Mercedes are slim even if Ross Brawn has done a lot of the things Schumacher would want the team to do. I see no point in him coming back unless he is prepared to commit to 3 seasons.

    Coming back and replacing Massa for a few races was fine, no pressure, go out and have some fun - Schumacher said as much himself. A whole season is a completely different matter.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 12:05

    I predict MS will not return since he only wants #1 status in the team, the best car/team package, a weak team mate and the FIA to overlook all of his cheating. I cannot see any of these becoming true!

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:05

    There was no race at Indianapolis in 2005. Just like there was no race at Austria in 2002. My mind cannot remember either of them, just a picture that says 'Scene missing' ;) {}

    As far as I'm concerned, there was a race at Indy 2005... ...but there were only two cars involved. The Ferraris were still engaged in team orders, which was the straw that broke Rubens Barrichello's back with regard to being at Ferrari and the Minardis drove like they didn't want any part of the mess and felt compelled to be there because of the Jordans (which was of course the truth).

    When you support the one team that actually treated the US GP 2005 as a race instead of a political toy, stuff like that tends to stick in the memory. The fact there was a massive thunderstorm over my house through the entire broadcast helped the memorability stakes too.

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 12:05

    I discovered today that my dad is a Shumi fan. I found it a little distressing...

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 12:06

    Coming back and replacing Massa for a few races was fine, no pressure, go out and have some fun - Schumacher said as much himself. A whole season is a completely different matter.

    Hence my comment about the curries - see the Top Gear interview when he played the Stig.

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 12:06

    Morning peeps :)

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 12:06

    Morning peeps :)

    Afternoon, rather.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 12:06

    I discovered today that my dad is a Shumi fan. I found it a little distressing...

    You need to de-program him

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 12:06

    Gavin, I would do your TT question but my computer broke and I can't do it at work, sorry...

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 12:07

    I discovered today that my dad is a Shumi fan. I found it a little distressing...

    Have you considered adoption?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:07

    Gavin, I would do your TT question but my computer broke and I can't do it at work, sorry...

    Aww :(

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:08

    I swear my uni must be the only place that doesn't do assignments in firsts/seconds/etc but nore A-F grades in a 16 mark boundary. The degree is declared in first/second/etc though of course. {Comment #142}

    Are you studying at a Sims 2 university (only place I've heard of outside the USA that uses that marking system without a direct converter)?

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 12:08

    Aww :(

    I can do it delayed at the weekend..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:08

    Aww :(

    I can do it delayed at the weekend..

    That's fine by me ;)

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 12:09

    Have you considered adoption?

    I was thinking murder - but you are too nice to do that sort of thing! Both my parents were Shumi fans!

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 12:09

    You need to de-program him

    Yeah. I think he was a little shocked that I had actual knowledge all of a sudden. I said he'd retired with his tail between his legs in 2006 and coming back like this wasn't the way to finally get the better of Alonso. My dad got quite annoyed :P

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:10

    that sounds lovely! {Comment #152}

    It is! Lots of pretty patterns and I don't have to set up, pay for or protect my ears against them :) It was especially great for the Millenium celebrations...

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 12:11

    Mixed feelings on New Year. I've had a couple of good ones and plenty of bad ones.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:11

    I was thinking murder - but you are too nice to do that sort of thing! Both my parents were Shumi fans! {Comment #213}

    My dad was a Ferrari supporter until Brawn turned up. It was somewhat ironic because I ended up borrowing his hat for the final few races of this season...

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 12:13

    Yeah. I think he was a little shocked that I had actual knowledge all of a sudden. I said he'd retired with his tail between his legs in 2006 and coming back like this wasn't the way to finally get the better of Alonso. My dad got quite annoyed :P

    Schumacher fans are generally a bit touchy t any criticism of him

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:13

    Mixed feelings on New Year. I've had a couple of good ones and plenty of bad ones. {Comment #216}

    I've had some fairly good ones and one memorably bad one (1998/1999). My parents and I were invited to a party full of people I didn't know. The music was loud and there was nothing to do - until everyone started using party poppers at midnight with me stuck in the middle of the room. Suffice to say it was a bit of a disaster and the experiment was never repeated...

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 12:14

    Schumacher fans are generally a bit touchy t any criticism of him

    like he was fairly useless when he got mixed up in the middle of the pack and really need the FIA to assist in his winning.

  • Alison17/12/2009 at 12:17

    Schumacher fans are generally a bit touchy t any criticism of him

    He's not hardcore. Either that or he's so hardcore he's blocked all memories of Alonso out of his head....

  • me17/12/2009 at 12:24

    Schumacher fans are generally a bit touchy t any criticism of him

    i hadn't noticed.

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 12:24

    Woo, here's my thursday thoughts for this week :)

    http://gridwalktalk.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/thursday-thoughts-f1-christmas-present/

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 12:27

    Woo, here's my thursday thoughts for this week :)

    I wonder how many people are getting Muse albums

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 12:27

    I wonder how many people are getting Muse albums

    *runs*

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 12:32

    Force India have teamed up with a subsidiary of TATA to do CFD research.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:41

    Mixed feelings on New Year. I've had a couple of good ones and plenty of bad ones. {Comment #216}

    I've had some fairly good ones and one memorably bad one (1998/1999). My parents and I were invited to a party full of people I didn't know. The music was loud and there was nothing to do - until everyone started using party poppers at midnight with me stuck in the middle of the room. Suffice to say it was a bit of a disaster and the experiment was never repeated...

    Can I ask why, if it's not too personal a question?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:45

    Woo, here's my thursday thoughts for this week :)

    http://gridwal...f1-christmas-present/

    Well done Lukeh - that was a fantastic post! Thanks for adding a link on my blog too.

    Have you got a bigger version of that pic? I love it BTW...

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 12:46

    Have you got a bigger version of that pic? I love it BTW...

    I did have a bigger version, lemme check if I saved one.

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 12:47

    I did have a bigger version, lemme check if I saved one.

    http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q127/Lukehmuse/bigxmas.jpg

    That one is a bit bigger and clearer.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:48

    I did have a bigger version, lemme check if I saved one.

    http://i135.ph...Lukehmuse/bigxmas.jpg

    That one is a bit bigger and clearer.

    That is really cool - were they all wearing caps in the original?

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 12:48

    That is really cool - were they all wearing caps in the original?

    Yep, it's just the normal picture from Melbourne but with lots of Santa hats and the background taken out completely and replaced :)

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 12:49

    That is really cool - were they all wearing caps in the original?

    i would imagine not ;)

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 12:49

    That is really cool - were they all wearing caps in the original?

    i would imagine not ;)

    oh! caps, not hats

    nevermind :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:50

    That is really cool - were they all wearing caps in the original?

    i would imagine not ;)

    oh! caps, not hats

    nevermind :D

    :)

    Just couldn't remember if they were allowed caps/hats/headgear in the 'class photo'...

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 12:50

    Just couldn't remember if they were allowed caps/hats/headgear in the 'class photo'...

    The odd thing about that photo was that it was fine fitting christmas hats to everyone except Kimi. Honestly, I had to adjust allsorts to find one that fitted Kimi as ironic as it sounds

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 12:51

    Force India have teamed up with a subsidiary of TATA to do CFD research.

    That is an interesting investment.

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 12:52

    That one is a bit bigger and clearer.

    I love it!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:52

    Just couldn't remember if they were allowed caps/hats/headgear in the 'class photo'...

    The odd thing about that photo was that it was fine fitting christmas hats to everyone except Kimi. Honestly, I had to adjust allsorts to find one that fitted Kimi as ironic as it sounds

    On very close inspection you can tell - silly hat Kimi!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 12:54

    Force India have teamed up with a subsidiary of TATA to do CFD research.

    If Lotus start using it will they complain that they nicked it? :D

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 12:54

    The odd thing about that photo was that it was fine fitting christmas hats to everyone except Kimi. Honestly, I had to adjust allsorts to find one that fitted Kimi as ironic as it sounds

    that makes if funnier, because of the way it sits compared to the others and is out of character, and he's got his serious face on :-)

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:00

    Today is an odd day

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:01

    Today is an odd day

    Wassup? It is a thursday

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:01

    Wassup? It is a thursday

    have a look at twitter

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:02

    Today is an odd day

    Wassup? It is a thursday

    Of course! That's why it took 3 hours to get to work!!!

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:03

    have a look at twitter

    I.. uh...

    What on earth?!

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:03

    What on earth?!

    mmmm

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:04

    have a look at twitter

    I.. uh...

    What on earth?!

    I don't follow?

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:05

    I don't follow?

    http://twitter.com/jonwaldock

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:05

    I don't follow?

    http://twitter.com/jonwaldock

    Have you been hacked? Change the password!

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:06

    Have you been hacked? Change the password!

    I think Jon's just being silly

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:06

    Have you been hacked? Change the password!

    ummm, nope, that was me ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:06

    Have you been hacked? Change the password!

    ummm, nope, that was me ;)

    ?

    Have a cuppa tea and a lie down!

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:06

    I think Jon's just being silly

    I'm in a very odd mood today

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:08

    If anyone with a PS3 is interested, there will be a Gran Turismo 5 demo available today

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:13

    If anyone with a PS3 is interested, there will be a Gran Turismo 5 demo available today

    It's been available for a while as Prologue, right?

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:15

    It's been available for a while as Prologue, right?

    Yeah but Prologue is, what, 1/2 years old now? This'll be much more towards the final GT5 game. I'll download it and see how different it is to prologue, as in if it actually has damage ;)

  • Webby17/12/2009 at 13:23

    I am so tired of waiting for it to come out. All the cars will be 3 years old!

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:24

    I am so tired of waiting for it to come out. All the cars will be 3 years old!

    Thats Gran Turismo for you!

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:24

    I am so tired of waiting for it to come out. All the cars will be 3 years old!

    They've said it'll be out early in 2010 but only in japan, maybe the US. Still no idea when it'll be out in the UK or Europe :(

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 13:27

    Fire alarm.

    Woop. Grrrr

  • Webby17/12/2009 at 13:28

    As long as F1 2010 is good my racing fix will be satisified.....for now....

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 13:36

    Can I ask why, if it's not too personal a question? {Comment #227}

    It's OK to ask me, I just wasn't sure anyone wanted to be burdened with the details...

    Me + loud noises = very bad reaction (I have very sensitive ears and being around loud noises with insufficient ear protection hurts - which is why I sometimes need earplugs even in libraries).

    Being stuck in a fairly small room when about 40 party poppers are in use simultaneously (plus loud cheering and clapping) = very loud noise (at least as far as my ears are concerned).

    In this particular instance, I ended up in a small ball on the floor, covering my ears and screaming (and I can scream pretty loud when hurt). While this resulted in things getting quiet again, I don't think it did much for the party atmosphere for anyone else...

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 13:38

    The odd thing about that photo was that it was fine fitting christmas hats to everyone except Kimi. Honestly, I had to adjust allsorts to find one that fitted Kimi as ironic as it sounds {Comment #236}

    I can imagine - how many Santa hats have completely flat hems when placed on someone's head? Good work for figuring a way around this design problem :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:40

    Can I ask why, if it's not too personal a question? {Comment #227}

    It's OK to ask me, I just wasn't sure anyone wanted to be burdened with the details...

    Me + loud noises = very bad reaction (I have very sensitive ears and being around loud noises with insufficient ear protection hurts - which is why I sometimes need earplugs even in libraries).

    Being stuck in a fairly small room when about 40 party poppers are in use simultaneously (plus loud cheering and clapping) = very loud noise (at least as far as my ears are concerned).

    In this particular instance, I ended up in a small ball on the floor, covering my ears and screaming (and I can scream pretty loud when hurt). While this resulted in things getting quiet again, I don't think it did much for the party atmosphere for anyone else...

    Wow - so how did you cope with the F1 when you went? Did you have those big ear defender things?

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 13:40

    If Lotus start using it will they complain that they nicked it? :D {Comment #240

    Um... ...I hope it doesn't come to that - the wind tunnel thing is (probably) causing enough legal work for one year...

    (and no, it won't help me get into F1 as a legal assistant because my college's exam board no longer does the Legal Word Processing qualification!)

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:41

    You can only do time trials at Indy GP circuit in a Nissan on this demo, boo. I just want to play the Top Gear circuit!

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 13:42

    It's snowing here in Wymondham! :D

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:42

    You can only do time trials at Indy GP circuit in a Nissan on this demo, boo. I just want to play the Top Gear circuit!

    Although, as im sure you can imagine, it looks absolutely mindblowing.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:43

    It's snowing here in Wymondham! :D

    Wait till I get home later - we had lots of snow too!

    I had to push a foot of snow out of the way just to get the bike out of the shed - and it was pretty scary riding the bike to the railway station!

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 13:44

    Force India have teamed up with a subsidiary of TATA to do CFD research.

    Tata Nano Force India Edition coming soon?

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 13:45

    Wow - so how did you cope with the F1 when you went? Did you have those big ear defender things? {Comment #265}

    Big red ear defenders (available from good DIY shops) combined with a decent pair of earphones with thin cables for the radio (which went under the ear defenders - the seal was so bulky and flexible that they still kept the sound off my ears despite the cables). Worked a treat :) This is not a million miles from the arrangement I'll need for my audio typing exam in March, which should give you a clue as to how awkward my hearing can be for some things.

    Earplugs work fine for rock concerts but not for graduation events (I think it's the particular pattern of bass/mid-range sounds produce by clapping that are a particular problem for my ears because my hearing seems to be particularly magnified at that part of the sound range).

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 13:47

    New favourite computer components site: www.scan.co.uk

    They are sending me email updates as my order is accepted, payment authorised, item picked, item despatched. They've done the first three and it was only ordered 10 mins ago.

    ebuyer cancelled my order yesterday when my card details didn't match my address. scan went straight through, no trouble. ebuyer can get stuffed :-)

    My card details don't match only because I haven't updated them yet (the bank thinks my signature has changed)

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 13:48

    It's snowing here in Wymondham! :D

    Talking of snow in the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8416010.stm

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:48

    Wow - so how did you cope with the F1 when you went? Did you have those big ear defender things? {Comment #265}

    Big red ear defenders (available from good DIY shops) combined with a decent pair of earphones with thin cables for the radio (which went under the ear defenders - the seal was so bulky and flexible that they still kept the sound off my ears despite the cables). Worked a treat :) This is not a million miles from the arrangement I'll need for my audio typing exam in March, which should give you a clue as to how awkward my hearing can be for some things.

    Earplugs work fine for rock concerts but not for graduation events (I think it's the particular pattern of bass/mid-range sounds produce by clapping that are a particular problem for my ears because my hearing seems to be particularly magnified at that part of the sound range).

    I use earplug style earphones for the train - and I have found that it doesn't block the noise as such, but there is a lot less noise pollution so there is leff interference for what you want to hear. Works great in traffic too ;)

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 13:48

    They are sending me email updates as my order is accepted, payment authorised, item picked, item despatched. They've done the first three and it was only ordered 10 mins ago.

    oh that's embarrasing, I read the email wrong. missed the 'stage 1 of 4'

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 13:48

    Tata Nano Force India Edition coming soon? {Comment #271}

    :D

    Also, does this mean Narain Karthikeyan has a chance of a drive (he's allied with TATA, which is rumoured to have caused problems with him getting into FIF1 in the past)?

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 13:48

    Me + loud noises = very bad reaction (I have very sensitive ears and being around loud noises with insufficient ear protection hurts - which is why I sometimes need earplugs even in libraries).

    This must get frustrating.

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 13:50

    Force India have teamed up with a subsidiary of TATA to do CFD research.

    Weren't they hooked up with Williams not so long ago?

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 13:51

    Snow has got to Birmingham! (We'll see if I'm still excited when I'm trying to get home)

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 13:52

    Talking of snow in the UK: http://news.bb...k/1/hi/uk/8416010.stm

    Could be fun for many..

    Lovely sunny day today.

  • me17/12/2009 at 13:52

    New favourite computer components site: www.scan.co.uk

    very good site. doesn't hold a great election of brands, is my only complaint.

  • me17/12/2009 at 13:53

    very good site. doesn't hold a great election of brands, is my only complaint.

    *selection

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 13:53

    very good site. doesn't hold a great election of brands, is my only complaint.

    Carriage is cheaper too

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:55

    Talking of snow in the UK: http://news.bb...k/1/hi/uk/8416010.stm

    I dunno how I'm gonna get to work in all this snow

    http://twitpic.com/tvknx

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 13:55

    I dunno how I'm gonna get to work in all this snow

    Hehehe. Darn it, it would be a good excuse.

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 13:56

    Talking of snow in the UK: http://news.bb...k/1/hi/uk/8416010.stm

    I dunno how I'm gonna get to work in all this snow

    http://twitpic.com/tvknx

    I was wondering how I was going to get home, took photo but dunno where to put it :-)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 13:56

    I dunno how I'm gonna get to work in all this snow

    Hehehe. Darn it, it would be a good excuse.

    I had so much fun this morning - got to take loads of pics too!

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 13:56

    Hehehe. Darn it, it would be a good excuse.

    If only my boss knew what an email was, I could photoshop snow into that photo...

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:00

    I was wondering how I was going to get home, took photo but dunno where to put it :-)

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/image135

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 14:00

    http://drop.io...odcast/asset/image135

    I'd be careful in all that snow

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:01

    I'd be careful in all that snow

    Terrible business. Nearly broke me neck.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 14:01

    http://drop.io...odcast/asset/image135

    I'd be careful in all that snow

    You definitely need gloves, hat, scarf, crampons for all that snow

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 14:04

    http://drop.io...odcast/asset/image135

    I'd be careful in all that snow

    You definitely need gloves, hat, scarf, crampons for all that snow

    Aww man, I'm dying to send you my pics now, but I can't get them off the phone yet :(

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:05

    Aww man, I'm dying to send you my pics now, but I can't get them off the phone yet :(

    email them to drop.io

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 14:06

    Aww man, I'm dying to send you my pics now, but I can't get them off the phone yet :(

    email them to drop.io

    I have no idea how to email using this phone!

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:23

    I have no idea how to email using this phone!

    set up a new contact in the phone book called 'sidepodcast drop'.

    don't give it a phone no but put sidepodcast.drop (at) drop.io

    then go to pic and send it to the contact

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 14:28

    I have no idea how to email using this phone!

    set up a new contact in the phone book called 'sidepodcast drop'.

    don't give it a phone no but put sidepodcast.drop (at) drop.io

    then go to pic and send it to the contact

    Done. But I'll download them and drop them later ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 14:29

    Done. But I'll download them and drop them later ;)

    Odense Railway Station, 6am in the snow :)

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:35

    Odense Railway Station, 6am in the snow :)

    cool :-)

    apparently you commute through a Bond film?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 14:36

    Odense Railway Station, 6am in the snow :)

    cool :-)

    apparently you commute through a Bond film?

    Eh?

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 14:36

    I dunno how I'm gonna get to work in all this snow

    http://twitpic.com/tvknx

    Now I definitely can't get to work

    http://twitpic.com/tvpby

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:43

    Eh?

    looks somewhere Bond is trying to escape from Russian spies

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:43

    looks somewhere Bond is trying to escape from Russian spies

    not necessarily in russia

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 14:43

    Eh?

    looks somewhere Bond is trying to escape from Russian spies

    Ah I see. Yes, it kinda was like that TBH!

  • Pat W17/12/2009 at 14:45

    Now I definitely can't get to work

    :-)

  • me17/12/2009 at 14:48

    Now I definitely can't get to work

    http://twitpic.com/tvpby

    HOLY!

  • me17/12/2009 at 14:49
  • Christine17/12/2009 at 15:00

    Now I definitely can't get to work

    That looks like a Christmas Card picture.

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 15:00
  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 15:01

    That looks like a Christmas Card picture.

    I see a business opportunity...

    :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 15:01

    Odense Railway Station, 6am in the snow :)

    Were the trains running?

    After about an hour, and rather slowly!

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 15:25

    Me + loud noises = very bad reaction (I have very sensitive ears and being around loud noises with insufficient ear protection hurts - which is why I sometimes need earplugs even in libraries).

    This must get frustrating. {Comment #278}

    Sometimes it does. Not as often as it used to do when I was obliged to go into noisy environments such as school without earplugs, because as an adult I can now carry a pair of earplugs discreetly and use them when I think they are needed. The people who interact with me on a frequent basis are used to it.

    In case you're wondering, there is a technical term for this - "sensory defensiveness".

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 15:26

    Weren't they hooked up with Williams not so long ago? {Comment #279}

    They were, between 2006 (when Karthikeyan tested for them) until 2008 (the year after Narain stopped).

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 15:28

    They were, between 2006 (when Karthikeyan tested for them) until 2008 (the year after Narain stopped).

    After which they moved to Ferrari.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 15:30

    After which they moved to Ferrari. {Comment #315}

    Hmmm... ...Ferrari didn't hold onto them very long, did they (unless this is a non-exclusive deal)?

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 15:34

    Hmmm... ...Ferrari didn't hold onto them very long, did they (unless this is a non-exclusive deal)?

    Could be. But even at Ferrari, TATA were minor sponsors/partners at best, so it's probably not much of a loss to either side.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:39

    i survived christmas shopping!!

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 15:39

    i survived christmas shopping!!

    Woop!

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:39

    Woop!

    hello all :)

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 15:40

    hello all :)

    Do you have snow? We seem to be on snow-watch today.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:43

    Do you have snow? We seem to be on snow-watch today.

    err...no... we had a few flakes yesterday. We are meant to get some overnight i think. What about you?

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 15:43

    Also, I've just been thinking about the new Lotus F1 team. Lotus' next road car is going to be the Esprit replacement and will be classed as Type 123. I wonder if the 2010 F1 car will be the Lotus 124.

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 15:44

    err...no... we had a few flakes yesterday. We are meant to get some overnight i think. What about you?

    I saw some flakes earlier but it has come to nothing.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:45

    I saw some flakes earlier but it has come to nothing.

    i'm really not feeling that bothered about christmas this year.. snow may help, but all i can think about is universities and Alevels..

    How is everyone today, other than being on snow watch?

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 15:46

    i'm really not feeling that bothered about christmas this year..

    You said that last year as well.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:47

    You said that last year as well.

    did i?

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 15:47

    did i?

    To the archives!

  • me17/12/2009 at 15:49

    Could be. But even at Ferrari, TATA were minor sponsors/partners at best, so it's probably not much of a loss to either side.

    it was massive at the time wasn't it:

    "For the first time an Indian brand will appear on the Ferrari," president Luca di Montezemolo told Italian media. "It's historic."

    that deal hasn't fallen apart has it?

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE4BG3NR20081217

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:50

    oh, Lukeh, the new greggs in our town high street is open.

    no idea why i feel the need to tell you that :)

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 15:51

    oh, Lukeh, the new greggs in our town high street is open.

    Woohooo!!

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:55

    You said that last year as well.

    did i?

    i'm thinking maybe the christmas build up isn't for me then... lol :D

  • me17/12/2009 at 15:56

    i'm thinking maybe the christmas build up isn't for me then... lol :D

    i think last year we put it down to the honda thing.

    maybe this year we can blame jenson?

  • lou17/12/2009 at 15:59

    i think last year we put it down to the honda thing.

    ah yeah.. that upset alot :( stupid honda.

    maybe this year we can blame jenson?

    uurmmm... you could... can i blame mclaren instead?.. i'm good with blaming my exams though :D

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 16:08

    HERE IT IS: http://mobile.sidepodcast.com/2008/12/23/daily-23rd-december-2008/#comment-166126

    Didn't really spend all that time looking. Nope. Not me.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 16:11

    HERE IT IS: http://mobile....-2008/#comment-166126

    Omg! i don't even remember writing that! The archives are scary, but also awesome :)

    reading down the comments has reminded me about Dom! I wonder what he thinks of the whole Brawn = Mercedes, Jenson moving to Mclaren thing..

    Didn't really spend all that time looking. Nope. Not me.

    :) hehe thank you for looking :P

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 16:12

    reading down the comments has reminded me about Dom! I wonder what he thinks of the whole Brawn = Mercedes, Jenson moving to Mclaren thing..

    Dom has submitted a season review, so he is still about, if not commenting. :)

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 16:12

    Dom has submitted a season review, so he is still about, if not commenting. :)

    oooh, funky.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 16:13

    Dom has submitted a season review, so he is still about, if not commenting. :)

    yay!

    ...

    *thinks about the season review she kinda forgot about*

    ....

    eeeek!!! sorrrry!!!!

    *looks down in shame* :(

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 16:13

    yay!

    ...

    *thinks about the season review she kinda forgot about*

    ....

    eeeek!!! sorrrry!!!!

    Don't tell RG cos he'll say I'm like Bernie, but there is still time.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 16:16

    Don't tell RG cos he'll say I'm like Bernie, but there is still time.

    yay! thank you!

    will record it straight away... cant promise it will be very long though :)

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 16:16

    yay!

    ...

    *thinks about the season review she kinda forgot about*

    ....

    eeeek!!! sorrrry!!!!

    I am shocked that anyone could miss the deadline. Just can't believe it.

  • RG17/12/2009 at 16:17

    Don't tell RG cos he'll say I'm like Bernie, but there is still time.

    Bad time to walk in?

    Hi all.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 16:17

    yay! thank you!

    will record it straight away... cant promise it will be very long though :)

    Mine was 2 mins 22s so yours dosn't need to be too long to beat that

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 16:17

    yay! thank you!

    will record it straight away... cant promise it will be very long though :)

    Any length is acceptable, I have plenty of longer reviews to sift through :)

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 16:17

    Bad time to walk in?

    Gah. Can't get away with nothin'.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 16:17

    Hi RG

    Do you have snow as well?

  • RG17/12/2009 at 16:18

    Do you have snow as well?

    Yeah, not lying since it poured down yesterday. Just survived a hailstorm.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 16:20

    I think AUTOSPORT knows nothing about drivers now. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that there is only me with any idea. They did their own top 50 drivers across all championships for 2009. Franck didn't make the top 50 and was only 6th in their sportscar list. McNish was only second in sportscars. Stupid people

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 16:24

    Is bluetooth supposed to not work or something? I am trying to connect my phone to my Netbook and apparently my netbook needs a password?

    GRRR!!!

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 16:34

    Hello everyone, back from my unintended F1 sabbatical.

    I'm giving USF1 a 1 in 4 chance of being on the grid the way things are going.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 16:38

    i'm really not feeling that bothered about christmas this year..

    Me neither since this Xmas has been written off due to issues of having to re-design computer labs - it has just become too complicated for my poor little mind. Changing a venue from having only a single class to up to four classes simultaneously and the room is a silly shape with lots of columns and vertical Air-Con units - so it now has to have 100 computers, 4 data projectors, 4 X 46inch LCD panels each having to work for a combination of 92, 79, 66, 53, 52, 39, 26 or 13 seats controlled from up to four points of instruction. It it looks like an under-ground car park cos everything is grey and it IS half-way under ground. I have finished the design of the seating and its being cleared for fire evacuation that is about as far as it has got. The factory is having to work through Xmas as well as me so they are grumpy! and did I say it looked like underground parking!

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 16:40

    and did I say it looked like underground parking!

    It really does! I hope you are going to paint some spaces on the floor.

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 16:40

    I'm giving USF1 a 1 in 4 chance of being on the grid the way things are going.

    Hi Dan. Those are not good odds!

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 16:41

    and did I say it looked like underground parking!

    That looks like a bomb shelter with all those supports.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 16:47

    That looks like a bomb shelter with all those supports.

    I think you are being polite but sure feels like one - yep 100 PCs are to go in there and I have to spend five hours each day lecturing/supervising in that hole! Lovely prospect for 2010 - apologies for being grumpy. I have not told anyone yet but the tables are going to pistachio green (he he) and to be shaped like a sea-bean (my revenge!)

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 16:48

    It really does! I hope you are going to paint some spaces on the floor.

    oh I am planning my revenge don't worry!

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 16:49

    This is an excellent Christmas message from 'Mark Webber'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8JC81xWJ4o&feature=player_embedded

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 16:50

    This is an excellent Christmas message from 'Mark Webber'

    Also, one from 'Vettel' :P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgTkTFPMRyg

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 16:56

    Is bluetooth supposed to not work or something? I am trying to connect my phone to my Netbook and apparently my netbook needs a password?

    IIRC, it's an access code. Enter it on your Netbook, then enter the exact same code on the phone. That should establish the connection.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 17:00

    It really does! I hope you are going to paint some spaces on the floor.

    oh I am planning my revenge don't worry!

    and to think the artist's impression is this and its not a computer lab but a collaborative learning centre!

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 17:00

    This is an excellent Christmas message from 'Mark Webber

    Also, one from 'Vettel' :P'

    :) If SidepodcastTV is ever going to put together a Christmas Special Spectacular, we have to invite these two on. We can schedule it in right after Christine and Maroon 5 do a cheesy holiday rendition of "Felipe Baby" with special guest Feliple Massa coming down the chimney on the final verse.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 17:49

    Bradley Lord's AUTOSPORT column had me shaking my head in disbelief today. In the new cost saving F1 some teams have admitted that they are spending two hours a day practising pit stops because the time it takes to change wheels will affect race time. Considering how headcounts have been slashed you would think teams could not afford all those man hours to be spent on pit stops but it gets better. The pit stop mechanics have all been doing gym work to make sure their wheel changing muscles are in optimum condition and they have physiotherapists working on them to make sure they don't pull muscles.

    Such a complete waste of money having 16-18 people spnding all their time doing this.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 17:50

    Bradley Lord's AUTOSPORT column had me shaking my head in disbelief today. In the new cost saving F1 some teams have admitted that they are spending two hours a day practising pit stops because the time it takes to change wheels will affect race time. Considering how headcounts have been slashed you would think teams could not afford all those man hours to be spent on pit stops but it gets better. The pit stop mechanics have all been doing gym work to make sure their wheel changing muscles are in optimum condition and they have physiotherapists working on them to make sure they don't pull muscles.

    Such a complete waste of money having 16-18 people spnding all their time doing this.

    thats how it's always been?

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 17:52

    thats how it's always been?

    The change is because there is no re-fuelling the wheels have to be changed as fast as possible. According to the column the teams have had pit stop crews doing two hours a day since Abu Dhabi. Normally pit stops would be practised a feww weeks before the season not six months. I have never heard of mechanics having personal trainers and physios working with them every day.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 17:57

    The change is because there is no re-fuelling the wheels have to be changed as fast as possible. According to the column the teams have had pit stop crews doing two hours a day since Abu Dhabi. Normally pit stops would be practised a feww weeks before the season not six months. I have never heard of mechanics having personal trainers and physios working with them every day.

    I wonder if that applies to cost-sensitive Virgin or do they simply get discount at the Virgin health & wealth centres!

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 17:59

    The change is because there is no re-fuelling the wheels have to be changed as fast as possible. According to the column the teams have had pit stop crews doing two hours a day since Abu Dhabi. Normally pit stops would be practised a feww weeks before the season not six months. I have never heard of mechanics having personal trainers and physios working with them every day.

    The pit crew have always had personal trainers and physios.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 18:01

    Swimming has been cancelled due to snow, so I'm going to be on my computer for this evening this evening. Perusing a catalogue of races which arrived in the post this morning and from which I will order absolutely nothing...

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:02

    I wonder if that applies to cost-sensitive Virgin or do they simply get discount at the Virgin health & wealth centres!

    He was talking about Williams and Force India but I assume most teams are doing the same. I am not sure it works with teams that don't actually have cars.

    One interesting snippet is that there can be no repeat of the Renault wheel falling off issue because the manual engagement of the wheel retaining safety pin thing is out an it is now automated.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:03

    The pit crew have always had personal trainers and physios.

    I have never read that before

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 18:04

    How is everyone today, other than being on snow watch? {Comment #325}

    I'm fine, thank you. Staying nice and cosy at my computer :)

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 18:10

    He was talking about Williams and Force India but I assume most teams are doing the same. I am not sure it works with teams that don't actually have cars.

    Won't they have to get fit before the season though - unless your are USF1 of which we have heard suspiciously little from recently.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 18:10

    HERE IT IS: http://mobile....-2008/#comment-166126

    Didn't really spend all that time looking. Nope. Not me. {Comment #335}

    Totally random reminder generated by that link - the venue for my karting competition has insisted there be 15 people, so I've got 3 spaces left. The event will go ahead even if they're not filled, but I might as well have people in as empty karts...

    Please e-mail me if you're interested.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 18:12

    yay! thank you!

    will record it straight away... cant promise it will be very long though :) {Comment #341}

    You don't want to try beating mine because I think I might have rambled on a bit too much in the one I submitted...

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:12

    Won't they have to get fit before the season though - unless your are USF1 of which we have heard suspiciously little from recently.

    All the teams will need to practise pit stops but I guess the new teams have priorities other than taking half a second off their pit stops in their first season.

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 18:13

    I think AUTOSPORT knows nothing about drivers now. {Comment #349}

    In that case I will pat myself on the back for not spending £4 on that issue. I can spend it on a hopefully better issue in the New Year instead.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 18:15

    I just uploaded a lot of snow photos for you guys on drop.io ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 18:21

    There's a picture on Facebook showing Lotus' 2010 F1 on a CFD computer. Let me see if I can grab it.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:23

    There's a picture on Facebook showing Lotus' 2010 F1 on a CFD computer. Let me see if I can grab it.

    Promo-photo?

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 18:23

    We can schedule it in right after Christine and Maroon 5 do a cheesy holiday rendition of "Felipe Baby" with special guest Feliple Massa coming down the chimney on the final verse. {Comment #362}

    I heard the first few notes of what I thought would be "Felipe Baby" when in a bookshop this morning and was really disappointed when they weren't followed by the sound of Mrs C's voice (it turned out to be the original version of the tune with "Santa Baby" lyrics on it).

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 18:24

    OK guys, here are my Thursday Thoughts - have you done yours yet? http://f1numbers.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/thursday-thoughts-what-f1-needs-for-christmas/

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 18:24

    Promo-photo?

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/10847-214994066399-24814686399-3722782-4677825-n-jpg

  • RG17/12/2009 at 18:25

    OK guys, here are my Thursday Thoughts - have you done yours yet? http://f1numbe...-needs-for-christmas/

    Why, yes I have.

    http://onetimoglock.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/thursday-thoughts-what-to-give-timo-glock-for-christmas/

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:26
  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 18:27

    cool, did you take that?

    :D Nope, I spotted it on a post from the F1 FB group.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:27

    :D Nope, I spotted it on a post from the F1 FB group.

    cool

  • Alianora La Canta17/12/2009 at 18:31

    The change is because there is no re-fuelling the wheels have to be changed as fast as possible. According to the column the teams have had pit stop crews doing two hours a day since Abu Dhabi. Normally pit stops would be practised a feww weeks before the season not six months. I have never heard of mechanics having personal trainers and physios working with them every day.

    The pit crew have always had personal trainers and physios. {Comment #367}

    They have had some input from trainers and physios (at least since the introduction of refuelling and probably before then for the richer teams), but before now it wasn't so intense because pit speed was largely determined by the lollipop man plus the fuel hose people (and of course the amount of fuel in a given stop). Doing it correctly was more important for most members than doing it quickly, so once the procedure was mastered, there was relatively little gain from additional practise. Now every single member will influence pit stop time for every single stop, so there is more to gain from extra practise.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 18:36

    I have 17 Google Wave Invites! Anyone want one?

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:37

    I have 17 Google Wave Invites! Anyone want one?

    Has anyone found a use for it yet?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 18:38

    I have 17 Google Wave Invites! Anyone want one?

    Has anyone found a use for it yet?

    Umm...?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 18:39

    #MFC Skype used to broadcast during a rally.

    Cool - much better than yakking to the olds ;)

  • me17/12/2009 at 18:42

    I think AUTOSPORT knows nothing about drivers now. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that there is only me with any idea. They did their own top 50 drivers across all championships for 2009. Franck didn't make the top 50 and was only 6th in their sportscar list. McNish was only second in sportscars. Stupid people

    who the hell did they put in front of mcnish?

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:43

    who the hell did they put in front of mcnish?

    Would you believe Sarazzin?

  • RG17/12/2009 at 18:43

    who the hell did they put in front of mcnish?

    One of the Peugeot Le Mans winners?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)17/12/2009 at 18:43

    who the hell did they put in front of mcnish?

    Would you believe Sarazzin?

    WHAT?

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:43

    One of the Peugeot Le Mans winners?

    yup

  • RG17/12/2009 at 18:43

    Would you believe Sarazzin?

    Did they rank it in order of style of name?

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 18:44

    Would you believe Sarazzin?

    !!!!

  • me17/12/2009 at 18:45

    The pit stop mechanics have all been doing gym work to make sure their wheel changing muscles are in optimum condition and they have physiotherapists working on them to make sure they don't pull muscles.

    complete madness.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:45

    Top 10 prototype drivers

    Sarazzin

    McNish

    Brabham

    Pagenaud

    De Ferran

    Franck

    Mucke

    Bourdais

    LaPierre

    Pla

    No TK

  • me17/12/2009 at 18:47

    The pit crew have always had personal trainers and physios.

    I have never read that before

    news to me.

    i know last year we were laughing at renault because they did their practice last minute and in civvies.

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 18:47

    Top 10 prototype drivers

    Sarazzin

    McNish

    Brabham

    Pagenaud

    De Ferran

    Franck

    Mucke

    Bourdais

    LaPierre

    Pla

    None of the top 5 have ever finished in the top 3 at Le Mans whilst sporting a broken foot. Franck has. He deserves to be higher up than that.

  • RG17/12/2009 at 18:47

    complete madness.

    I'm all for not pulling muscles stupidly...

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:48

    I'm all for not pulling muscles stupidly...

    me too :D

  • me17/12/2009 at 18:48

    Would you believe Sarazzin?

    not without seeing it, no. are they mental?

  • me17/12/2009 at 18:49

    No TK

    de ferran??

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:49

    not without seeing it, no. are they mental?

    Looks like it. Lou won't be happy that Jenson only made number 2 in the overall thing

  • RG17/12/2009 at 18:50

    Looks like it. Lou won't be happy that Jenson only made number 2 in the overall thing

    Won by Loeb?

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:51

    Looks like it. Lou won't be happy that Jenson only made number 2 in the overall thing

    yayyy

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:51

    Won by Loeb?

    Won by Hamilton

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:51

    yayyy

    thats yay that jenson didnt win, not that lou wont be happy

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:51

    Won by Hamilton

    i would agree with that

  • me17/12/2009 at 18:52

    have i missed something?

    "Has Mosley shot himself in the foot responding to comments from Briatore we knew nothing about?"

    http://twitter.com/MauriceHamilton/status/6765895560

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:52

    Hamilton

    Button

    Jimmi Johnson

    Vettel

    Loeb

    Franchitti

    Webber

    Scott Dixon

    Kubica ???

    Alonso ??

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:53

    i would agree with that

    Me too

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 18:54

    i would agree with that

    Me too

    well....actually

    Sarah Moore is my driver of the year!

  • RG17/12/2009 at 18:54

    Kubica ???

    Hahahahaha. Where to start, well, Nick Heidfeld scored more points in the same car.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:55

    have i missed something?

    I know nothing

  • me17/12/2009 at 18:56

    I know nothing

    shall investigate. what cane we read into this:

    They are now Corina Schumacher comments at Express about MS : I have faith that he will calculate the risks and that he will find his fun

    he's going racing without her permission maybe?

    http://twitter.com/f1enigma/status/6763272026

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 18:57

    shall investigate. what cane we read into this:

    I assume Max's comments are in his Telegraph article which has not been discussed here at all as far as I know.

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 18:59

    Hamilton

    Button

    Jimmi Johnson

    Vettel

    Loeb

    Franchitti

    Webber

    Scott Dixon

    Kubica ???

    Alonso ??

    Sorry, Jimmie Johnson ahead of Loeb, Vettel and Alonso? Sorry, but that is complete BS.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 19:00

    #sidepodspace

    While NASA is all excited about finding a bit of water on the moon someone has found a planet totally covered in the stuff. This is a huge step.

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091216/tod-waterworld-is-most-earth-like-planet-870a197.html

  • me17/12/2009 at 19:07

    I assume Max's comments are in his Telegraph article which has not been discussed here at all as far as I know.

    might be this:

    "The FIA have repeatedly given him the benefit of the doubt. It did so when prohibited software was found in a car under his control; again when a component was removed from his team's refuelling equipment; again when his team failed to declare properly the purpose of a particular suspension component, and most recently when they were caught with information illicitly acquired from another team."

    http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/5288.html

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 19:08

    might be this:

    We knew all of that though

  • me17/12/2009 at 19:09

    We knew all of that though

    true. in that case i have no idea how max has shot himself in the foot?

  • Dank17/12/2009 at 19:17

    Hamilton

    Button

    Jimmi Johnson

    Vettel

    Loeb

    Franchitti

    Webber

    Scott Dixon

    Kubica ???

    Alonso ??

    Those aren't entirely different from my recent '09 list I featured on my blog. Though Jimmi Johnson in the top 10? Hmm.

  • Maverick17/12/2009 at 19:19

    I assume Max's comments are in his Telegraph article which has not been discussed here at all as far as I know.

    might be this:

    might be but we already knew all of this. nice of him to finally admit he was incompetent all the same.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 19:23

    Those aren't entirely different from my recent '09 list I featured on my blog. Though Jimmi Johnson in the top 10? Hmm.

    The four you have in your top ten they don't they have in the following positions

    Hirvonen 11th

    Bianchi 26th

    Hülkenberg 13th

    Meeke 25th

  • Dank17/12/2009 at 19:25

    The four you have in your top ten they don't they have in the following positions

    Yeah, but what do AUTOSPORT know eh? :-)

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 19:27

    Those aren't entirely different from my recent '09 list I featured on my blog. Though Jimmi Johnson in the top 10? Hmm.

    It depends on what you think of the Chase. But remember, this guy has won 4 NASCAR titles in a row - against a pretty deep field too.

    But the number 1 driver isn't even the champion in his own formulae...!

    might be but we already knew all of this. nice of him to finally admit he was incompetent all the same.

    Just because we knew it didn't mean it could be used in the courts. Now that Max has come out and said it though...

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 19:27

    Yeah, but what do AUTOSPORT know eh? :-)

    Exactly. I worry about them. Wonder if Stuart got to vote on this list. Unusually for them it doesn't say how they arrived at their list.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 19:42

    Lou won't be happy that Jenson only made number 2 in the overall thing

    why not? He wasn't as consistent as Hamilton. I'd agree with that order tbh, Jenson had an incredible year, and if it wasn't for the middle of the season i'd have him as the best driver. ;)

    see... i'm not 100% biased all of the time :) hehe

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 19:50

    see... i'm not 100% biased all of the time :) hehe

    Why are you in such a good mood?

  • lou17/12/2009 at 19:53

    Why are you in such a good mood?

    i'm not sure... i've been listening to coldplay most of the evening, maybe that's it :)

  • lou17/12/2009 at 19:53

    i'm not sure... i've been listening to coldplay most of the evening, maybe that's it :)

    i've also been editing photos :)

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 19:55

    i'm not sure... i've been listening to coldplay most of the evening, maybe that's it :)

    Blimey. Coldplay makes me depressed!

  • RG17/12/2009 at 19:56

    Blimey. Coldplay makes me depressed!

    Coldplay makes me go to bed.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 19:58

    Blimey. Coldplay makes me depressed!

    Even their more recent stuff?

    Coldplay are my favourite band ever :) they have the same effect on me as Muse do on Lukeh :)

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 19:59

    Coldplay are my favourite band ever :) they have the same effect on me as Muse do on Lukeh :)

    That's good.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 19:59

    Coldplay are my favourite band ever :) they have the same effect on me as Muse do on Lukeh :)

    one of the reasons they make me so happy is because listening to them atm reminds me of their gig at Wembley i went to in september - one of the best evenings of my life! so amazing! :)

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:22

    From sdryden on Twitter:

    Max Mosley is going to be on @BBC5Live in the next few minutes discussing morals in sport. Yes, you read that correctly.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:23

    Actually, he's on now...

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:24

    Key notes from Max:

    "Things which interest the public is not necessarily in the public interest."

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:24

    "Things which interest the public is not necessarily in the public interest."

    ummm...

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:25

    "Merely because someone's well known and famous doesn't mean their private lives should be open to everybody."

    Max cites Tiger Woods. "Whether it is justifiable to expose his private life is very questionable." He's not famous because of his family, he's famous because he's a great golfer.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:26

    ummm...

    He means that just because the public wants to know about it doesn't mean that the public needs to know about it.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:27

    Tiger "shouldn't be condemned without being given a chance to present his side"

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:28

    Question: If a sportsperson wanted to hide not a sexual preference, but rather a political preference (say, the BNP), is he allowed to keep it a secret?

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:29

    He means that just because the public wants to know about it doesn't mean that the public needs to know about it.

    i got that. it sounds kind of... fascist.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:30

    I couldn't type down the answer quickly enough, but basically Max says, as long as he doesn't use it for personal gain, he should be.

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 20:31

    He means that just because the public wants to know about it doesn't mean that the public needs to know about it.

    Nine times out of ten, the public would rather not know about it.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:31

    i got that. it sounds kind of... fascist.

    Very interesting... they called it "public interest" vs. "public curiosity".

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:32

    Max cites Tiger Woods. "Whether it is justifiable to expose his private life is very questionable." He's not famous because of his family, he's famous because he's a great golfer.

    he got rich because people want a piece(s) of him. if he was "just" a great golfer, he could've decided not to do any publicity. no-one buys a gillette razor to because it will improve their swing.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:33

    Very interesting... they called it "public interest" vs. "public curiosity".

    read that statement again, this time out loud:

    "Things which interest the public is not necessarily in the public interest."

    ummm....

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:33

    he got rich because people want a piece(s) of him. if he was "just" a great golfer, he could've decided not to do any publicity. no-one buys a gillette razor to because it will improve their swing.

    They actually got to the Michael Phelps example as well.

    Although the ultimate point Max might've missed here is that these people don't want to reveal them, but media manage to reveal them anyway.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:34

    read that statement again, this time out loud:

    "Things which interest the public is not necessarily in the public interest."

    ummm....

    FWIW, the hosts agreed.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:34

    Very interesting... they called it "public interest" vs. "public curiosity".

    curiosity born out of the publicity which he courted.

    max could easily have been an anonymous face at the FIA. he choose to lead a public life and then decided he wanted out when it suited him.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:35

    FWIW, the hosts agreed.

    what did they say?

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 20:35

    ummm....

    That makes sense right?

    Just because you want to know about something doesn't mean you need to know about it. I don't know of an example, but there must be some

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:35

    what did they say?

    Something along the lines of, "we agree completely, Max."

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:36

    That makes sense right?

    it sounds like suppression to me.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:37

    Something along the lines of, "we agree completely, Max."

    i see.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 20:38

    it sounds like suppression to me.

    of course. but some things should be kept privately and not in the public arena

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:38

    Just because you want to know about something doesn't mean you need to know about it. I don't know of an example, but there must be some

    i am all for privacy. you might have guessed by my name.

    my point is that if people choose not to be anonymous, but instead to seek fame and fortune in the public eye, they can't suddenly decide to switch that off when it suits them.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:38

    In lighter news - I've finished all my work deliverables. I am officially on vacation for the next 2 and a half weeks. :D

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:39

    In lighter news - I've finished all my work deliverables. I am officially on vacation for the next 2 and a half weeks. :D

    yay!

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 20:41

    my point is that if people choose not to be anonymous, but instead to seek fame and fortune in the public eye, they can't suddenly decide to switch that off when it suits them.

    i agree but disagree....for example....

    Timo Glock does something, no idea what, but it's of huge public interest. He isn't famous beacuse he wanted to be, it comes with the territory.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:42

    Timo Glock does something, no idea what, but it's of huge public interest. He isn't famous beacuse he wanted to be, it comes with the territory.

    he took the sponsorship deals though? he signed the t-shirts, appeared on tv. it's slightly different for max, who had no reason to be in the public eye at all, but i think it still stands.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 20:43

    he took the sponsorship deals though? he signed the t-shirts, appeared on tv. it's slightly different for max, who had no reason to be in the public eye at all, but i think it still stands.

    are we talking the sponsorship privately or from the team?

    he has to do media things, do what the team needs him to do, that's definitely part of the job description.

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:44

    From f1scoop:

    Mutterings from Norfolk suggest Jarno Trulli is visiting Lotus for a seat fitting with his new team.

    We know - Scott told us about it YESTERDAY. :D

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 20:44

    "Things which interest the public is not necessarily in the public interest."

    I agree with that

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:44

    We know - Scott told us about it YESTERDAY. :D

    :D

    :D

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:45

    I agree with that

    you agree with max?

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 20:45

    he has to do media things, do what the team needs him to do, that's definitely part of the job description.

    It's a job that he chose though. You can't say, I want to be an F1 driver but I don't want anyone to know who I am.

  • RG17/12/2009 at 20:46

    We know - Scott told us about it YESTERDAY. :D

    They are like so behind with the times.

    Or, he just read sidepodcast a bit late, happens sometimes.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:46

    It's a job that he chose though. You can't say, I want to be an F1 driver but I don't want anyone to know who I am.

    nor can you say: "you may print this about me, but not that".

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:47

    Or, he just read sidepodcast a bit late, happens sometimes.

    or scott's blog.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 20:47

    nor can you say: "you may print this about me, but not that".

    i'm looking at you mr r.schumacher

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 20:48

    It's a job that he chose though. You can't say, I want to be an F1 driver but I don't want anyone to know who I am.

    If this is what we're talking about, it might be time to bring up Kimi Raikkonen. He definitely likes driving very fast, but just because he wants to be an F1 driver doesn't necessarily mean he wants to be famous. Kimi seems to be that way at least sometimes.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 20:48

    It's a job that he chose though. You can't say, I want to be an F1 driver but I don't want anyone to know who I am.

    of course, but the original point was you cant choose fame and fortune and then switch off the media when you want too. he chose the job because it's what he's good at and because he's worked for it for years.

    he can't say "no i dont want that" if he does something, but he didn't choose to be famous, he chose to be an f1 driver and it's something that comes with it.

    i agree with you both, but it's not always the case

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 20:49

    you agree with max?

    I agree with the statement. Things that are in the public interest are things that the public need to know for example things like MPs fiddling expenses, Max doing dodgy deals with Bernie etc.

    Just because the public is interested or curious about something doesn't make it in the public interest. Public interest is a long held concept that goes with an open society and a demoracy.

    Max is technically correct but as usual he is twisting it to his own ends. Unfortunately people are more interested in his hobbies than the fact that he screwed the FIA out of a fortune as well as long term financial security by giving Bernie the commeercial rights to F1 for $3 million a year.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 20:50

    If this is what we're talking about, it might be time to bring up Kimi Raikkonen. He definitely likes driving very fast, but just because he wants to be an F1 driver doesn't necessarily mean he wants to be famous. Kimi seems to be that way at least sometimes.

    but what he does want is as much money for as little commitment as possible.

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 20:51
  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 20:52

    Tiger "shouldn't be condemned without being given a chance to present his side"

    agreed

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:54

    Things that are in the public interest are things that the public need to know for example things like MPs fiddling expenses, Max doing dodgy deals with Bernie etc.

    max got careless, and got busted. end of story.

    if he wanted to keep a lid on it, he should've been more careful.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:54

    Tiger "shouldn't be condemned without being given a chance to present his side"

    agreed

    i agree. but he doesn't seem interested in doing that.

    he should tweet more.

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 20:55

    Tiger "shouldn't be condemned without being given a chance to present his side"

    He did present his side, and his side was taking a step back from golf to spend more time with his family.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 20:55

    of course, but the original point was you cant choose fame and fortune and then switch off the media when you want too. he chose the job because it's what he's good at and because he's worked for it for years.

    The thing is a lot of famous people don't get harassed by the media and most of those who do seek out the media attention in the first place. I remember an interview where some journalist or photographer was getting pelters for photographing someone at their own house. He pointed out that the only reason he knew where that person lived was because in the past that person's agent had planted a story or two and told the photographer to be at that location.

    He then said something that I found amazing. He said that there are famous people who don't get harassed because they are not constantly turning up at celebrity events. The example he used was Nicholas Lyndhurst. Despite being in Only Fools and Horses which was th biggest program on TV for years and countless other successful shows he lead a private life and the photographer saif he had no idea where he lived.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:57

    He said that there are famous people who don't get harassed because they are not constantly turning up at celebrity events. The example he used was Nicholas Lyndhurst.

    and i agree. max put himself in the public eye to feed his ego and sense of self importance.

    now he regrets that.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 20:57

    Tiger "shouldn't be condemned without being given a chance to present his side"

    He did present his side, and his side was taking a step back from golf to spend more time with his family.

    He also refused to speak to the police about the accident for several days so that for example had he any alcohol or social drugs in his system they would have become undetectable. And he could only do that because he is famous. The first time any of us are asked to speak to the police about an accident I can imagine the reaction if we said we wanted to wait a weak frst.

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 20:58

    "Things which interest the public is not necessarily in the public interest."

    No in these days. Like it or not, as soon as you make yourself a public figure. Once you run for an elected office, decide to become a professional athlete, and a spokesperson; it's fair game. Is it fair... probably not.

    The biggest problem with Tiger Woods is that people knew absolutely nothing about the guy before this all broke. When it broke, it painted a picture of the guy that we were wondering about the guy for the last 15 years.

  • me17/12/2009 at 20:58

    No in these days. Like it or not, as soon as you make yourself a public figure. Once you run for an elected office, decide to become a professional athlete, and a spokesperson; it's fair game. Is it fair... probably not.

    it is if you know that's the deal before you start.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 20:59

    The biggest problem with Tiger Woods is that people knew absolutely nothing about the guy before this all broke. When it broke, it painted a picture of the guy that we were wondering about the guy for the last 15 years.

    I am amazed in this day and age he managed to keep it quiet. Especially given the number of women involved.

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 21:03

    Trust me, it is something I have to tell people who want to enter politic. You will have to give up your privacy whether you like it or not.. That the price for fame these days. It's not fair. Like Clint Eastwood said, deserving has nothing to do with it.

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 21:04

    Trust me, it is something I have to tell people who want to enter politic. You will have to give up your privacy whether you like it or not.. That the price for fame these days. It's not fair. Like Clint Eastwood said, deserving has nothing to do with it.

    That was in response to:

    it is if you know that's the deal before you start

  • me17/12/2009 at 21:08

    has this been mentioned:

    Court Announces New System for F1 Appeals

    not sure i understand it though?

    http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/ica/2009/Pages/ica_new_system.aspx

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 21:15

    not sure i understand it though?

    Looks like instead of the FIA deciding who judges these things the teams are now allowed to nominate judges. This should result in slightly more sensible rulings and stops any thoughts of decisions being made up front.

  • me17/12/2009 at 21:16

    Looks like instead of the FIA deciding who judges these things the teams are now allowed to nominate judges. This should result in slightly more sensible rulings and stops any thoughts of decisions being made up front.

    ooh. lil'jean is doing well isn't he?

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 21:16

    has this been mentioned:

    I never thought I would be saying this:

    Todt is doing the right thing.

    At least there is movement to make changes with the stewards and appeals process. The question is if it is going to be impartial? Otherwise this who thing is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 21:16

    ooh. lil'jean is doing well isn't he?

    Doing better than Max. We will find out what he is really like once the season starts.

  • Dan Brunell17/12/2009 at 21:20

    Doing better than Max. We will find out what he is really like once the season starts.

    I know he has made changes with the stewards as well. I hope it will lead to a more "proactive" approach instead of the "we'll figure it out later" attitude that has been there the last few years.

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 21:20

    ooh. lil'jean is doing well isn't he?

    *faints*

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 21:30

    Here is the link to my post for Thursday's blog topic "What F1 Needs For Christmas?”

    http://f1centric.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/my-xmas-present-to-each-2009-f1-driver/

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 21:34

    ooh. lil'jean is doing well isn't he?

    Did Mr C just praise the toad, or am I seeing things?

  • me17/12/2009 at 21:35

    Did Mr C just praise the toad, or am I seeing things?

    i did. well, whilst questioning my sanity.

  • me17/12/2009 at 21:35

    Here is the link to my post for Thursday's blog topic "What F1 Needs For Christmas?”

    http://f1centr...-each-2009-f1-driver/

    ooh. must.get.cracking.

  • RG17/12/2009 at 21:36

    i did. well, whilst questioning my sanity.

    In the same week you looked forward to the potential Schumi return?

    *starts to dial 999*

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 21:37

    i did. well, whilst questioning my sanity.

    First he wants MS to come back and now he likes what Jean is doing with the FIA.

    OK, who are you and what have you done with the real Mr C? Should we start a missing persons campaign to find him?

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 21:37

    *starts to dial 999*

    it's for the best ;)

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 21:38

    OK, who are you and what have you done with the real Mr C? Should we start a missing persons campaign to find him?

    Yes. You can describe him to the photofit artist

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 21:38

    Yes. You can describe him to the photofit artist

    "Well, he's ninja with no face and an iPhone strapped to his chest."

  • Jon Waldock17/12/2009 at 21:38

    Yes. You can describe him to the photofit artist

    :D

  • lou17/12/2009 at 21:53

    i've just got round to watching Jenson's interview on the one show! eheh he can conduct himself very well in interviews :)

  • RG17/12/2009 at 21:58

    Right, I'm off to bed. Do check out my Thursday Thoughts on the Timo blog, and nighty night all. lotsa love.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 22:00

    Right, I'm off to bed. Do check out my Thursday Thoughts on the Timo blog, and nighty night all. lotsa love.

    these thursday thoughts?

    http://onetimoglock.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/thursday-thoughts-what-to-give-timo-glock-for-christmas/

    :) night RG

  • RG17/12/2009 at 22:01

    these thursday thoughts?

    http://onetimo...-glock-for-christmas/

    That be those Thursday Thoughts :D

  • Journeyer17/12/2009 at 22:03

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siQgD9qOhRs

    Iron Man 2 trailer - complete with a teaser of the bits they shot the week before the Monaco GP with Stark in an IndyCar.

    I love this line: "I have successfully privatized world peace."

  • Christine17/12/2009 at 22:03

    That be those Thursday Thoughts :D

    I like the new theme.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 22:07

    morning all. I spent my evening on my flatmates eee pc and now i cannot escape desire to own one. It would be so perfect for my holiday :D

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 22:15

    morning all. I spent my evening on my flatmates eee pc and now i cannot escape desire to own one. It would be so perfect for my holiday :D

    They are very nice from work I got the real baby 701 but actually it is more practical to get the MSI wind netbook which weighs the same but has a 10 inch screen.

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 22:21

    my normal laptop is only 11 inches so if i got a smaller one a 10 inch aint small enough. I might go investigate after work because if i get one before i fly to nz i can get my tax back at the airport.

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 22:24

    my normal laptop is only 11 inches so if i got a smaller one a 10 inch aint small enough. I might go investigate after work because if i get one before i fly to nz i can get my tax back at the airport.

    701 is a bit limited on screen real estate. It is the sub 1KG I like about netbooks.

  • Lukeh17/12/2009 at 22:24

    *waves* evening all

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 22:26

    ah i just want small footprint for travelling, weight doesnt bother me

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 22:30

    ah i just want small footprint for travelling, weight doesnt bother me

    I use my netbook the whole time - so in the office I just hook up to a big monitor. My 701 is very nice - I was given it to record my lectures into Podcasts - it is very well built and also ideal to view photos etc. I can recommend it. It actually works better than the Lenovo S10 which was a disappointment.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 22:34

    *waves* evening all

    evening :)

  • Rich17/12/2009 at 22:34

    ah i just want small footprint for travelling, weight doesnt bother me

    See

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvvsbVZXNuA

    I got an MSI in Silver and there is no finger-print problem.

  • me17/12/2009 at 22:56

    ping:

    http://sidepodcast.com/2009/12/17/thursday-thoughts-what-do-you-want-to-get-f1-for-christmas/

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:21

    Evening everybody :)

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:21

    Katherine is wondering how Ben is doing...

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 23:22

    why is no one amy sitting? I need 6 more hours of entertainment!

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:22

    Katherine is wondering how Ben is doing...

    uh-oh. i have on my list:

    - charge camera for chirstine to take photos of ben

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:23

    - charge camera for chirstine to take photos of ben

    i took a photo of the two together... i think..

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:23

    why is no one amy sitting? I need 6 more hours of entertainment!

    i was blogging. that took 4hrs :)

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 23:23

    - charge camera for chirstine to take photos of ben

    Who is Ben?

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:23

    i took a photo of the two together... i think..

    ah-ha. that may save me a job. also on my list:

    - sort camera photos for lou

    i may be a bit busy.

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:24

    - charge camera for chirstine to take photos of ben

    :)

    Katherine did just say, "I want to know how Ben is adjusting to his new home - but don't put that if it makes me sound insane"

    I probably shouldn't put that though... right?

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 23:24

    confused. #notinonit

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:24

    Who is Ben?

    Erm yeah, what he said.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:25

    ah-ha. that may save me a job. also on my list:

    i don't know how good it is.. but i remember taking a few on christine's orders :)

    - sort camera photos for lou

    :D

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:25

    Who is Ben?

    Well if Mr C charged the camera... you'd know ;)

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:25

    Katherine did just say, "I want to know how Ben is adjusting to his new home - but don't put that if it makes me sound insane"

    i think there may be arguments with panda when it comes to screen time...

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:26

    Katherine is wondering how Ben is doing...

    i think she should crochet Ben a little camera so he can send photos back to er... your monster (i'm sorry i forgot his name!)

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:26

    Ben is the other monster... As in not Giles (our monster)... But Christine's monster.

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:26

    confused. #notinonit

    it was you that said.., monsataaaaaaar!

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:27

    i think there may be arguments with panda when it comes to screen time...

    Uh oh... a rivalry! It's a tricky business...

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:27

    Ben is the other monster... As in not Giles (our monster)... But Christine's monster.

    ...erm...okay...

    #confused

  • Chris17/12/2009 at 23:28

    Ben is the other monster... As in not Giles (our monster)... But Christine's monster.

    ...erm...okay...

    #confused

    I'm sure it will all become clear on Sunday...

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:28

    Ben is the other monster... As in not Giles (our monster)... But Christine's monster.

    Giles! that's it...

    #sorrykatherine

    both are incredibly cute, and Katherine is very talented. i tried to crochet once... it didn't go well. i'm worse at crochet than i am at knitting, and i didn't think that was possible!

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:29

    Uh oh... a rivalry! It's a tricky business...

    it's a tough one. you don't want to be bringing a monster into the house and having him get all the attention. on the other hand, panda did bump bibendum.

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:29

    Ben is the other monster... As in not Giles (our monster)... But Christine's monster.

    ...erm...okay...

    #confused

    We have a monster... Called Giles... And now Christine and Mr C have a monster called Ben... Here they are together...

    Giles is more blue and Ben has a tie...

    http://drop.io/katmonsters/asset/p1080607-jpg

    http://drop.io/katmonsters/asset/p1080634-jpg

    http://drop.io/katmonsters/asset/p1080662-jpg

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:32

    both are incredibly cute, and Katherine is very talented. i tried to crochet once... it didn't go well. i'm worse at crochet than i am at knitting, and i didn't think that was possible!

    It is a different skill set I guess. Katherine much prefers crochet to knitting I think.

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:33

    it's a tough one. you don't want to be bringing a monster into the house and having him get all the attention. on the other hand, panda did bump bibendum.

    You should be an equal monstering employer.

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:33

    Giles is more blue and Ben has a tie...

    Ohhhhhhh I see!

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:34

    You should be an equal monstering employer.

    i thought Mrs C was adopting Ben not hiring him?

  • paul17/12/2009 at 23:35

    Ooo. It's Mr Classic Team Lotus.

    Just read your blog Scott. This is the coolest thing I have read (almost0 this year.

    Congrats.

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:35

    i thought Mrs C was adopting Ben not hiring him?

    Indeed. But Mr C clearly wants to put Ben to work down the podcasting mines.

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:36

    Indeed. But Mr C clearly wants to put Ben to work down the podcasting mines.

    luxury.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:36

    Indeed. But Mr C clearly wants to put Ben to work down the podcasting mines.

    i suppose he is kinda dressed for work with his little tie..

  • littlepurplegoth17/12/2009 at 23:36

    http://georgehart.com/bagel/bagel.html

    just the latest in a series of mathematical but otherwise useless links to post on SPC... all this talk of crochet reminded me :-)

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:36

    i suppose he is kinda dressed for work with his little tie..

    That's true :)

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:37

    Ooo. It's Mr Classic Team Lotus.

    I didn't expect to be called that when I got the work experience. :P

    Just read your blog Scott. This is the coolest thing I have read (almost0 this year.

    Congrats.

    Thank ya sir, much appreciated :)

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:37

    Indeed. But Mr C clearly wants to put Ben to work down the podcasting mines.

    luxury.

    A monster to 'elp with ya podcast? When I were a lad we used to throw coconuts at the listeners to express sound.

  • paul17/12/2009 at 23:38

    Thank ya sir, much appreciated :)

    The Lotus 49 is my favorite F1 car ever. I've never seen one in the flesh. I'm so jealous :D

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:38

    A monster to 'elp with ya podcast? When I were a lad we used to throw coconuts at the listeners to express sound.

    :P:P

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 23:39

    ah the monster. i was most distressed to see it before the guests arrived with the #classified and then not be able to see the actual reveal to christine!

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:39

    A monster to 'elp with ya podcast? When I were a lad we used to throw coconuts at the listeners to express sound.

    :D :D :D

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 23:40

    The Lotus 49 is my favorite F1 car ever. I've never seen one in the flesh. I'm so jealous :D

    Classic Team Lotus had a stand at Autosport International last year with a 49, a 79 and a Ducarouge designed Senna era car - I think 93T.

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:41

    Classic Team Lotus had a stand at Autosport International last year with a 49, a 79 and a Ducarouge designed Senna era car - I think 93T.

    If it was a Senna era car, it would have been either a 97T, 98T or 99T.

  • paul17/12/2009 at 23:41

    Classic Team Lotus had a stand at Autosport International last year with a 49, a 79 and a Ducarouge designed Senna era car - I think 93T.

    All we need is an Autosport show in sunny Oz, and I'm set. ;-)

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:44

    The Lotus 49 is my favorite F1 car ever. I've never seen one in the flesh. I'm so jealous :D

    The one they have at the workshop is the 49C, the final evolution in Gold Leaf colours. It really is a thing of beauty. It's funny that the closest I've ever got to it in the past was driving it in Grand Prix Legends, and now I walk past the real thing several times a day on my way to the backroom with all the merchandise. It's crazy.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 23:44

    If it was a Senna era car, it would have been either a 97T, 98T or 99T.

    I could never track the Lotus numbers when they got into the 90s

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:44

    A monster to 'elp with ya podcast? When I were a lad we used to throw coconuts at the listeners to express sound.

    The only question remains... when you were a lad did you have African swallows? We only had European swallows... Coconuts didn't go as far back then ;)

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 23:45

    The one they have at the workshop is the 49C, the final evolution in Gold Leaf colours. It really is a thing of beauty. It's funny that the closest I've ever got to it in the past was driving it in Grand Prix Legends, and now I walk past the real thing several times a day on my way to the backroom with all the merchandise. It's crazy.

    Someone had a 48 in Gold Leaf colours at the show last year. First time I have ever seen one of those. The 48 was the F2 car Clark was killed in.

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:45

    I could never track the Lotus numbers when they got into the 90s

    The 93T would probably be a Mansell/de Angelis car, one of the first turbo Lotus F1 cars.

  • paul17/12/2009 at 23:45

    Someone had a 48 in Gold Leaf colours at the show last year. First time I have ever seen one of those. The 48 was the F2 car Clark was killed in.

    I don't think I have ever sen a 48.

  • lou17/12/2009 at 23:46

    okay bed time for me, night all! xx

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 23:47

    Night Lou

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:47

    okay bed time for me, night all! xx

    Me too I'm sick... And I recorded tonight's (18th) http://gigglesadvent.com under a cloud of manflu!!!

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 23:48

    im going to need christine to go to giggles house and reenact the moment ben entered her life so it can be streamed to me. I am serious.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 23:49

    Me too I'm sick... And I recorded tonight's (18th) http://gigglesadvent.com under a cloud of manflu!!!

    Such a trouper

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:50

    Me too I'm sick... And I recorded tonight's (18th) http://gigglesadvent.com under a cloud of manflu!!!

    oh no :(

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:51

    im going to need christine to go to giggles house and reenact the moment ben entered her life so it can be streamed to me. I am serious.

    is there any chance giggles and kat can come here?

    i can't face london traffic.

  • paul17/12/2009 at 23:51

    is there any chance giggles and kat can come here?

    Do they have a boat?

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:52

    Do they have a boat?

    i can post them a paper one.

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:52

    I am so glad I'm going to ASI this year:

    The 1984 FIA World Rally Champion, Stig Blomqvist, will drive the legendary 550bhp Group B Audi Sport Quattro in the Live Action Arena at Autosport International, 14-17 January, at the NEC, Birmingham.

    WOOOOHOOOO! :D

  • Amy17/12/2009 at 23:53

    that is also acceptable. As long as there is streaming.

  • paul17/12/2009 at 23:53

    i can post them a paper one.

    Oh. Pit lane style?

  • Alex Andronov17/12/2009 at 23:53

    is there any chance giggles and kat can come here

    i can't face london traffic.

    I'm not surprised. It's rubbish!

  • me17/12/2009 at 23:54

    Oh. Pit lane style?

    exactly that.

  • Steven Roy17/12/2009 at 23:55

    The 1984 FIA World Rally Champion, Stig Blomqvist, will drive the legendary 550bhp Group B Audi Sport Quattro in the Live Action Arena at Autosport International, 14-17 January, at the NEC, Birmingham.

    He is going to struggle to get the throttle half way down on that thing in there. I have seen Stig do a few of these things and he will be spectacular. He would be spectacular in a Sinclair C5

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:57

    He is going to struggle to get the throttle half way down on that thing in there. I have seen Stig do a few of these things and he will be spectacular. He would be spectacular in a Sinclair C5

    If it's just the Sport Quattro then that'll be great but if it's the S1 winged monster I will literally die and go to heaven and back. :D

  • paul17/12/2009 at 23:57

    If it's just the Sport Quattro then that'll be great but if it's the S1 winged monster I will literally die and go to heaven and back. :D

    You might join Lou on the moon?

  • Scott Woodwiss17/12/2009 at 23:59

    You might join Lou on the moon?

    Probably :D

    If anyone wants to know why I love the Quattro just listen to this. Actually watching it is optional but the sound is more important. :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEK7POxpVeE

    Love. it.

  • paul18/12/2009 at 00:00

    Love. it.

    I dunno. 5 cylinders is just wrong.

  • Scott Woodwiss18/12/2009 at 00:01

    I dunno. 5 cylinders is just wrong.

    Must. resist. urge. to. get. angry.

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:10

    I dunno. 5 cylinders is just wrong.

    Philosophically it is just wrong but mechanically it is as near perfect as you can get.

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:11

    Philosophically it is just wrong but mechanically it is as near perfect as you can get.

    Specifially why? link?

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:14

    Specifially why? link?

    I assume you mean the mechanical rather than the philospohical. With 5 cylinders 145 degrees out of phase you only ever have one piton changing direction at a time rather than 2 in a 4 or 6 cylinder or 4 in a V8 so the engine is much more balanced.

  • paul18/12/2009 at 00:16

    I assume you mean the mechanical rather than the philospohical. With 5 cylinders 145 degrees out of phase you only ever have one piton changing direction at a time rather than 2 in a 4 or 6 cylinder or 4 in a V8 so the engine is much more balanced.

    Balance. and then Audi put it in front of the front axel line.

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:18

    Balance. and then Audi put it in front of the front axel line.

    That was insane. It didn't matter when they introduced the Quattro because no-one else had turbos or 4WD but once Lancia, Peugeot etc got their cars sorted it was impossible to make the Quattro work because the engine location was so stupid.

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:19

    I assume you mean the mechanical rather than the philospohical. With 5 cylinders 145 degrees out of phase you only ever have one piton changing direction at a time rather than 2 in a 4 or 6 cylinder or 4 in a V8 so the engine is much more balanced.

    That makes sense. I'd just never thought of it.

    Now - I need an animation to show this so that I can (attempt to) enthuse the children and further their education :-D

  • paul18/12/2009 at 00:20

    Now - I need an animation to show this so that I can (attempt to) enthuse the children and further their education :-D

    Maybe you could make a Lego model?

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:24

    Maybe you could make a Lego model?

    Lol

    Although I did just realise that Skwish looks a lot like a molecular model. Brought on my seeing this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0hDX7LtSxk&feature=sub

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:26

    That makes sense. I'd just never thought of it.

    It's 144 degrees not 145. Just realised I couldn't count.

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:29

    Now - I need an animation to show this so that I can (attempt to) enthuse the children and further their education :-D

    Try this for starters. No animation but basic info

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-5

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:30

    Straight 4 and radial 5 animation but no straight 5

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firing_order

  • paul18/12/2009 at 00:31

    It's 144 degrees not 145. Just realised I couldn't count.

    You counted every degree?

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:33

    You counted every degree?

    No I divided 720 by 5 and failed

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:33

    Straight 4 and radial 5 animation but no straight 5

    Yay!

    Thank you!

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:35

    Thank you!

    If you are teaching them mechanics you need to cover the Stirling engine. It is 200 years old and is the future. And there are animations.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_Engine

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:44

    :-)

    Stirling engines are on the list. I have a friend who runs their whole house on a couple (taking turns) - completely off grid and everything, although not so much in summer as they use their PV more then - who we plan to be off to see once the weather improves (and we have the ness. funds to get to the wilds of scotland).

  • paul18/12/2009 at 00:47

    Stirling engines are on the list. I have a friend who runs their whole house on a couple (taking turns) - completely off grid and everything, although not so much in summer as they use their PV more then - who we plan to be off to see once the weather improves (and we have the ness. funds to get to the wilds of scotland).

    Thats very cool. I wish I had the money to put in PV at my place. I'm sure i could run the house all year, and we get very good rates for feed-in electricity. I just don't have the money to pay for the cells. :-(

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:50

    Thats very cool. I wish I had the money to put in PV at my place. I'm sure i could run the house all year, and we get very good rates for feed-in electricity. I just don't have the money to pay for the cells. :-(

    I'm told that ebay is a good source, and that there are plenty of secondhand cells around atm.

    Alternatively Maplins do a kit (think its 100W) that comes up for sale for around £250 at some point most years.

    But then for £300 you could get a stirling engine...

    They charge the car from the PV in the summer as well, and just stay home in the winter....

  • Steven Roy18/12/2009 at 00:51

    Stirling engines are on the list. I have a friend who runs their whole house on a couple (taking turns) - completely off grid and everything, although not so much in summer as they use their PV more then - who we plan to be off to see once the weather improves (and we have the ness. funds to get to the wilds of scotland).

    I know a guy who used to work for a company that made a stirling engine that ran of the excess heat from central heating boilers to recover huge amounts of energy but they couldn't get the finance to put it into production. He used to have a little one which sat on top of his tea cup as a demonstration.

  • paul18/12/2009 at 00:52

    I'm told that ebay is a good source, and that there are plenty of secondhand cells around atm.

    Here in Australia, especially facing north, PV is a viable option. However I would need about 1.5 to 2 Kw system, which would cost about $15,000 to start. I could do my own, but to feed in to the grid you need a "certified" system. Grrr.

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:54

    I'm told that ebay is a good source, and that there are plenty of secondhand cells around atm.

    Forgot to say - its not uncommon to see *good* 2nd hand cells selling at around £100 a Watt (and sometimes a lot less, but damage may well have done for half the potential production on those). That sounds very little for a lot, but if you can get your household useage down to around 20KwH a week you'll be feeding back to the grid in the summer (june/july/aug) from most of the UK (assuming south or sse and unobstructed of course) on around 100W of installation

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 00:55

    Here in Australia, especially facing north, PV is a viable option. However I would need about 1.5 to 2 Kw system, which would cost about $15,000 to start. I could do my own, but to feed in to the grid you need a "certified" system. Grrr.

    Ah sorry - didn't realise you were southern hemisphere... does the whole system need to be certified, or just the inverter/grid tie part of it?

  • paul18/12/2009 at 00:57

    Ah sorry - didn't realise you were southern hemisphere... does the whole system need to be certified, or just the inverter/grid tie part of it?

    The whole system to get money. It's all part of a grand government plan to make jobs for installers. I was chasing down the eBay route until they changed the rules.

  • littlepurplegoth18/12/2009 at 01:01

    The whole system to get money. It's all part of a grand government plan to make jobs for installers. I was chasing down the eBay route until they changed the rules.

    phooey.

    We don't have much of a feed in here (although our power co. is one of the few that offer more than a penny a unit) but as we too don't have the ness cash to do it 'properly' lolol its a moot point.

    Cutting usage is the first line anyway (LED bulbs! You can get those for cars too, just to drag it back to SPC-land). After that we have various bits of gadgetry - and I have my eye on a solar briefcase for next year with some thoughts of experimenting with getting my computer unplugged :-) Although as I can't currently find a router that can be powered by the phone line that's a moot point as well (although I have found a 12V one so....)