We have reached that dreaded day of Thursday, but it turns out that some people have been experience Thursday symptoms on a Wednesday and sometimes, more annoyingly, on a Friday. We are going to have to do more to contain it, I think. Anyway, here are some F1 related things to discuss:
- Mr Paddy Lowe seems to think that it would only a take a tweak here or there to create more overtaking in Formula 1. That is true, to a point, I suppose, but it does seem to be missing the bigger picture (not to be confused with the Big Picture). He also said that their changes to the cars for '09 haven't been a huge failure as well, though, so perhaps his word shouldn't be taken too seriously.
- Fisichella may not be doing much celebrating on track, but he has plenty to celebrate now he has finally wed his girlfriend of 15 years. Alianora found some pictures that show the blushing bride, and a waiting bridegroom with a phone stuck to his ear. I wonder who he's calling?
- Following the potential extension that's not really a deadline extension but more of a concrete dispute between Bernie and Donington Park, it has been revealed that Simon Gillett is hoping to raise £120 million in a ridiculously short space of time to prove to Bernie that it's going to happen. At what point will he give up?
That'll do it for now. There should be an F1 Digest preview out later today, as detailed by the weekend schedule published yesterday. I'll see you in the comments.
Hmmm, Thursday
Two choices:
1) Leave for work early and go suit shopping beforehand
2) Take half day and enjoy late night shopping calmness
maverick posted this on yesterday's thread, but it's worth repeating here:
it reminds me of valencia...
Oh dear
I love it, the stadium of the north grandstand is incredible.
Pitlane exit is absloutly nuts! should be decent chance to overtake at turns 8 and 11
Ooops, yesterday's news already!
I know that it is probably a journo in the back (JA?) so Bruno will be taking it a bit easier but Monaco and Singapore feel fast because the walls are centimetres away from the tyres all the time, the open feel doesn't do Yas Marina any favours.
But there are grandstands!
I know what you mean, the slightly wider track with the coulourd track and Tight barriers with nothing behind them.
I hope its better, it must be!
nice architecture. i can't argue with that. no doubt will look picturesque by night.
it'll be a shocking race though.
It's a lot prettier than valencia. Still, would prefer it if they were skirting a few more of those walls. All the apexes are easily visible too.
noooo
#thinkhappythoughts!
any idea what the overhanging motorway gantry signs do?
They are for advertining, and i expect some will have cameras
ahh, they seem huge.
its the UAE :P
It lacks character - cutting the pit lane underneath the track isn't enough.
Fantastic stands, shame about the track.
Now if they could put Abu Dhabi's facilites around Interlagos...
i can totally see why bernie wants it seen in hd.
It will get some. the timing will help make it uniques, then i expect some interesting buildings to go up there.
Its very difficult for a new track to have charecter out of the bag. But i think the tight stadium will be good, also the pitstraight is a lot more inimate than a lot of tracks.
Give it time, it will be good.
That would be amazing. hopefully they can find some way of getting some of the olympic cash!
I thought they were more interested in building on top of Jacarepagua than upgrading Interlagos.
I hadnt even heard of that track untill i got joes book this morning!
i want to believe you. but i look at china, bahrain, turkey and valencia...
This is very different to the first 3, it wants to be Urban. They know they cant be spa or monaco. And they dont want to be another tilke drome.
They are doing a lot to make it unique, i think it stands a decent chance if people let it
Enjoy it while you can - that's where the athlete's village is going.
It feels like it's trying to be lots of places and not really succeeding. It's not quite a night race, it's not quite Monaco, it's not even quite urban.
Because it gives him something else that takes headlines away from how bad the track is like Singapore being glittery
Whats wrong with the track!
Jacarepagua is part of the Olympic complex. They are building on it. I would be surprised if Interlagos sees any Olympic cash
Have begged JA for a ticket. I am flatout of options!
it's a bit flat.
Learning lots of new / old circuits?
Loads. That finish one is the best gem i have found though.
I saw it and instantly wanted to drive it
It's dull, flat, featureless, has nothing unusual about it, bog standard Tilkegroan
Its a sandbank!
I actually like the concept of a tight, street circuit section and then a separate high speed section at the back, it's a common failing of Tilke that the whole circuit is too similar all the way around. That is a challenge (even if it was an afterthought after complaints about a lack of overtaking opportunities) but the street circuit doesn't quite work.
I had never heard of that one. The top 6 from the first race was impressive
And they couldn't build in some elevation changes?
I disagree massively. It has loads of uniqeness, and the layout is quite different from his normal addiction to gentle curves
Exactly. It's a stupid place to put a race track and guaranteed to be dull and covered in sand most of the time
I learnt yesterday that Suzuka was originally designed with three crossovers.
i understand that. i wasn't expecting anything else. i'm just saying that it is.
i like undulation changes. case in point.
So you cant race cars in desert countries? You cant just tell them to stick to camels and boats!
It will never have that, but it does have some. I think there is a 12 meter height difference between the heighest and lowest points. but not everywhwere has the natural undulation. the original track for dubai did have quite a lot though
again, i know this. but i wouldn't choose to build a track on a pancake, that's all. money talks, but it doesn't necessarily make for a good racetrack.
a pretty one, yes. a great one, i doubt it.
18 metres. But it's all gradual, they needed to unsight a few apexes.
You have to be joking
The other option is to build the track where there is undulation but no people.
Thats what happened in Turkey and its dead. Abu Dhabi inst in the centre of town but it should be close enough to get a good crowd
true story.
You can't make good F1 tracks on flat land. You can't have a good F1 track if it has sand blowing over it. I am not saying anything derogatory about the people but we know that the best tracks always have elevation change and don't have anything blowing on to the surface making it unpredictable
Nope. It was the plans before they called in Hugenholtz that really shock though - it's like they let Tilke have the first draft.
http://www.etracksonline.co.uk/Features/stories/suzuka-history.html
There is only one potential overtaking spot on the whole track and a load of mickey mouse bits. Bruno went through four corners without actually getting properly back on the throttle because the straights are ridiculously short.
I thought turns 8 and 11?
Interesting article
I haven't looked at the map but going by the Bruno's laps there is only one straight long enough to give anyone a chance to pass and it ends with a left hand hairpin.
The tunnel from the pits is asking for trouble. If someone breaks down in there or two cars crash the marshals are going to be in real trouble. If a car bursts into flames things could get really dangerous.
I love the way the rice fields were cleared almost over night
The longest straight of any circuit goes into turn 8 into a chicane, then there is a long curved straight down to tuen 11 which is lightly wider. I think both are good opertunities
I agree, I expect they have automated fire supressionfoam, but i cant help but feel there will be an incident, its to narrrow
I guess if your name's Honda and you have that amunt of money a few paddy fields are not a big problem
Is it still under the pitlane speed limit at that point? I don't see how it's worse than the underpass at Suzuka or the hotel in Monaco though.
Bruno went wide at the pit exit (tut, tut, a drive-through for you Bruno) is that because it doesn't matter and he wasn't trying to avoid it or is that a design fault. It's invariably the pit entry/exit that they get wrong.
Nope, full speed! Tight entry and a narrow tunnel... it could be interesting
It could be interesting if there are two drivers side by side. Hopefully one will be in a Ferrari as they always politely let the other driver through now. They seem to have gone from one extreme to the other.
Straight to turn 8 he is taking 13/14 seconds before he hits the brakes
Straight to turn 11 he is taking about 12 seconds.
If you allow for how much faster the racing cars will be I don't think turn 11 will see much overtaking. From turn 11 till turn 7 nothing can happen as it is all mickey mouse
It's much narrower than either of those. The underpass at Suzuka is very open. The tunnel at Monaco is an entirely different proposition.
But it's the pitlane exit, not the main circuit.
Well, thanks for the conversation. I'm calling it a night.
Good night.
if someone's engine stops in there it could get very dangerous
Night Maverick
You have 2 high speed sections in a row though, not many circuits have those opertunities, close in the first one and pass in the seccond?
Thats what i was asking about earlier, i guess they deploy the saftey car and redlight the pitlane?
It won't happen because of the chicane between them. Close up in the first one then you have to drop back behind to go through the chican so you are back to square one
They stop cars leaving the pits but I don't know about the safety car. The race is still running.
True, in canada it was already out which caused the problem in the first place..
isn't the safety in the pitlane, and thus trapped?
*car
Now there is a good point. I know they have back up safety and medical cars. I think I would have them stationed half way round the circuit
Ah very true! Cant belive i didnt think of that!
Ubless there is an extra sliproad?
Christine got me hooked on that stupid meeblings game. Now I am stuck playing another game on the same site. http://www.ninjakiwi.com/Games/Puzzle/Play/Rings.html
lord knows. sounds like a question for james...
i refuse to look :)
Go for it!
*you may have to access his blog to do so though...
That is a good plan. It is simple but instantly addictive
i have to leave doohickey?
unless you can embed his entire site in a comment?
:D
i'll do it in a sec.
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
mine too... i wonder if he is in Brazil, if not he will have to wait untill morning to send me that ticket! :P
Found a pic of jake and his lotus http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/5317/jake1.jpg
he can't fit in a lotus!
it's a good thing some people in F1 are as clever as Steven Roy. This is exactly what they do
He doesn't moderate too quickly
Someone replied to my question about RSS on his blog [I got email notification] and he failed to publish that at all
Name and shame them
ummm :-)
prof sid watkins?
THe prof is not around any more. He sits on one or two FIA safety committees but doesn't go to the races. He is way more intelligent than me though
did he say what the answer was?
Another Jake race pic-ish http://twitpic.com/kzxj6
isn't that herman munster?
Pic on f1.com of MB in his BBC overalls at Yas http://www.formula1.com/photos/597x478/manual/yas_marina_11.jpg
Lies! (the smarts bit - I remembered he retired)
:)
G'Day all. Long time no speak. What's been happening?
hey sean.
...absolutely loads.
I wonder how many two seaters McLaren made in the end. They always said they only had one.
Yeah? Unfortunately with computer failures and then things happening have't seen a race in a LONG while...
No, he just echoed my thoughts, rather more succintly
i thought you got a new one?
have you got a link? i meant to follow the story but got sidetracked.
Yeah, but then things happened on race days so i couldn't watch them.
damn. sundays should be a day of rest (and f1).
Not really a story, I'm comment No.8
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/us-f1-gears-up-for-car-build-phase/
Hmm, I have an essay due in 4 hours and I have 1000 words to do and biblio/references. Yeah, I'm pretty much screwed.
I agree.
Hey Sean, thanks for the AFL answers in sidepodradio :D
Sounds like my aproach.
Although 1000 words isnt that much, 10 100 word paragraphs, you'll be fine :P
Referencing is quite another issiue!
so he edited you comment before publishing? i'm confused.
Your welcome, although I can't for the life of me remember what I said! ;)
No
Someone replied to my comment with the same gripe - days ago
That HAS NOT been published
Except I've already said everything I need/want/can be bothered to say in the first 1000 words... :(
ahhh. righto.
james could've answered you. it was a straightforward question.
He doesnt seem to be consistant; the Yas post came up in my feed reader while others didnt...
Yabber away... i always write too much!
i appear to have full feeds again?
I don't follow his blog anymore. I might have a look now and again or if someone links to a good post but that's it
I thought so
me too, although it must be recent, last weekend they werent full...
The two readers I have on the iPhone no longer have full posts
For his blog only, I mean
maybe its only mobile devices? perhaps its an automated thing to save data for posts you might not want to read?
I don't pay for data, same as all UK iPhone users
If so, a small explanantion would've been appreciated. Never mind, I get to read non-F1 little gems like Alex's Gamboling instead
BTW, Mr C
Just for info
Link fails in DD are more and more common lately
[opens a new window but nothing ever appears]
yeah but many mobile feed readers arent on iphones or unlimited data plans.it it very annoying especialy as i tend to load up google reader when i go into blackspots on the train so i will have plenty to read...
odd. firefox see all too?
I no longer care if he can't be bothered to explain
no explanation for that one, although there was an air update released recently. could it be related to that?
Don't use RSS on desktop
that's a fair approach i think.
although it could be that he doesn't have a clue what an rss feed is?
Could be, no worries
Someone might find that hard to mime only using hand gestures
:) :)
He has a webmaster, i cant see him personally knowing anything. still somone should have said something :(
if the webmaster approved the comment, it's possible james hasn't even read it of course.
But they speak volumes! Volumes i tell you!
Very true, I still think it's sponsor related
more jake *cough* http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidbreach/4001069769/in/set-72157622562541072/
Found on digital spiy
Looks like someone missed the track ;)
if that's true, he's missing a trick because google offer ads in feeds too now.
hehe, i also founf this http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/09/top_gear_on_bbc_hd_from_novemb.html#P87050883
someone has put in a freedom of information request as to whether the bbc will be showing the yas race in HD!!! :P
Talk about hardcore!
good lord!
That could prompt me to get a new telly in the living room during the off season
loves forgetting he's ordered something then receiving a mystery package in the post!
Yay, like finding a tenner in your jeans
It wasnt the world atlas of motor racing by Joe Saward was it? :P
No, although I did order Grand Prix Saboteurs from amazon yesterday. ;)
I am waiting for him to do a post on donnington, because there there i s a quote in the book i really want to ask him about ;)
The atlas is available for 1p! 1p! how can anyone resist?!
I didn't even look to be honest.
Leave a voicemail for his next show
that might be a bit of an ambush!
are the voicemails on the next show or the last one of the season?
Assuming there will be a post AD one?
As far as I know there are voicemails on every show from now on
if it works and people send them in, yup.
not a clue. we wouldn't mind doing a live show during the off-season when things are less hectic and the server doesn't crash.
That would be interesting
It would be amazing!
it should be impossible. we need to work on fixing what's broken and then it's a case of finding a suitable time for all.
the man still needs a paying gig though. he's too good to do another whole season for free, even if he'd be happy to do so.
should be possible. sorry.
:lol:
He might be limited by what he can say at a paying gig though. perhaps he likes the freedom of sharing his knowlege with the fans without worrying. He did leve the traditional media to start his own website afterall!
Maybe you could link it up with a player in his blog? I would love to see it continue!
Watching Interlagos on the BBC shows... perhaps i was a little to harsh... I do really like the whole circuit apart from the pit straight.
Grass runoffs look so much nicer than tarmac and astro....
fair point. next year with an extended calendar, could be almost 30hrs of recording time. that's a fair whack to put aside when your travel expenses are increasing too.
wordpress.com is very limited in that respect. i don't think gavin can embed f1 minute on his for example.
I will retire tfor the night
Speak to you chaps tomorrow
night buddy.
Night Bassano
Night!
Thats difficult. Shorter shows would be better than nothing though!
We coud also record ads for GP+ GP.com and his blog as voicemails to send in to you instead of payment? That way you wouldnt have to mention it in the shows and it couldsave some time?
I dont really know, im just shooting off ideas because the shows are great and i am sure a lot of people would love them to continue
we did ask for exactly that, and stuart sent in a great one, i think there are others too although i haven't had chance to listen.
we can certainly do more to plug gp+ etc, and we shall.
me too. i could listen to joe's thoughts all day. it's the best job in the world and i seem to spend most of each hour laughing out loud. and then i listen again and laugh some more.
i feel a little guilty though. we're not professional journalists and we can't repay joe for his generosity.
He has sold quite a few subscriptions and books though so he is gaining by doing it but you are right someone should be paying him to do shows.
It would be interesting to get Joe and Stuart on at the same time.
You are giving him a platform though, whilst i am sure he deserves paying, i think he enjoys it, If he does, long may it continue! :D
With Santander sponsoring both Ferrari and Mclaren next year, i wonder if we will see some joint adverts?
That could be interesting! :D
But at the same time, Joe doesn't come across as the type of person who would really want to take from you. As you say, you aren't professionals and you do it for fun and he knows that. He definately deserves payment, but if he enjoys it then we may not even want it. And as Steven said, he has gained from doing it by selling books and subscriptions.
You shouldn't feel guilty. Clearly he is either really enjoying it or getting something from it or he wouldn't be doing it. We have some feedback on the regulars who have bought books and subscriptions but we have no clue how many listners have bought product.
true. although i fear nick's 1p contribution may not stretch a full season ;)
again good points. am hoping the answer is "loads and loads".
It was 2nd hand too...
But you have to buy the book, its just incredible, i have to keep picking it up everytime i look at it, and randomy flicking to a track and reading about it.
It is old, but i would say it is a must have!
okay, shall do tomorrow then.
for tonight, i bids you good morning.
hehe, the pluggage works!
Night!
Good night Mr C
Night.
hates referencing.
in essays.
Another early night fail.
Going to be now. Night all
Keep working Sean. You will get there
Yeah, maybe. We'll see.
Night.
My feed changes about three times every day. At the moment it is shortened, yesterday evening it was full text, afternoon shortened, morning full text ...
Very very weird
Yay! Finished. Now off to unit to hand it in before the hand in place closes for the day...
See ya's later.
what I like about Joe is that he loves F1 as a sport. I hope he makes a very big pile of money from it, but he fits so well with Sidepodcast because he does things for the love of the sport, not just to make a huge pile of cash
Only one of the three Interlagos races they picked was actually good too!
Morning,
Did we confirm this? I would love to include the F1 minute player, but at the same time, I would like to keep the blog 'free' at the moment, so I can't upgrade to fit it in yet...
Morning
I have tried and failed before at embeds on free WP.
People plugging even when I'm not here :)
Morning everyone :)
Morning all
I think i've decided Lukeh (i think it was Lukeh) was write....the hardest part about blogging is thinking of a title!
look! i'm that tired! i can't even spell right
It is, but it's also the most fun part. Often I start with a dummy title and the proper one comes to me while writing the post!
Maybe, i think getting an idea for a post on the coach at 6.30 this morning was pretty fun ;)
That is pretty good - I normally fall asleep on the morning train!
I was up at 5.30, was quite awake by then. And had to focus on summarising notes on Cognative Theory (yes, now your jealous!)
http://bit.ly/41EpvM Plug-ety-plug-plug
#MFC The man who 'kills' celebs
Interesting, because he basically says that you can make a hoax in minutes and with Twitter or Facebook, it spreads like a virus.
Great quote at the bottom too:
Now it takes only minutes for a hoax to circulate around the world.
"It's literally capitalising on the haste and desire for mass media to be the first to report things and the reason why I'm more successful now than ever before is because information travels so damn fast," he said.
"I think people who are offended take themselves too seriously, and I think it's been a bit of egg on the face of mass media but also a wake-up call at the same time to check your sources, man."
Sound familiar? ;)
James Allen has exclusive Video footage of the Abu Dhabi Circuit
Can't watch it now - hope it looks good though ;)
He's making a call that Lewis should win the race based on its KERSy corners.
Sounds good to me ;)
Morning all.
Can't be that exclusive, it's right at the top of this daily thread. ;-)
Goooood morning, what a fine NotThursday it is too
Morning :)
It can only be a good Thursday today because there is über-cuteness on Baby Panda Thursday.
it is good Thursday after good football Wednesday. have to start planning South Africa trip
Hullo :)
Yesterday I did 41 pages by about 10am and then dithered and did no more for the rest of the day. Today... It's 10am and I haven't done any pages yet!
Best get on! See you all later :)
Reminded me more of Bahrain :)
I'm not sure about the pitlane, did they really have to do that?
The pitlane exit isn't ;)
It allowed them to rejoin off the racing line. Sadly it's the only notable faeture about the track itself.
Massa is claiming Alonso knew about the race fixing but then takes it back because they are team mates next year, http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79435
And so it begins ;)
I wonder if Massa's loose tongue is due to more time on his hands, or his brain injury. My mum speaks her mind a lot more since her operation
NOW I understand what you meant!
Cue joke about knocking some sense into him!
I thought Alonso was supposed to be the catty whiny one?
:D
In novel news one of my characters names has changed. He was called Malcolm and now he's called Scott. I'm not really sure how this happened. But now I have to choose which I prefer!!!
Malcolm Scott?
His surname has stayed the same thankfully. I'll need to choose just one.
Does he wear a cardigan? That sounds more like a Malcolm.
I think you're right. I think he's probably a Malcolm really.
But then you have to worry about if people would shorten it to Malc if they were close with them. Hmmm..
Can I ask, how do your characters change names and nationalities? Are they spies?
#MFC Finland makes it a legal right to have Broadband
How awesome!
Heh. These are all relatively minor characters. So you might see them for a few paragraphs at one point. Then not see them again for several chapters and then you see them again. Which means I may not have had as strong a grip on who they were. Names are never my strong suit so I have to be very careful in the edit.
For the record he is becoming Scott. Because of the simple reason that I refer to him as Scott 13 times and Malcolm only twice. So that's got to have been my main preference.
Heh. Maranello will be blowing hot and cold next year at this rate.
I saw your post about why you cannot Kindle publish (I have just got home so playing comment catchup) and I say boo, it's like they don't want me to give you more money! Hopefully once the international one launches proper they will open it up to the rest of the world.
I know. Grrr!
in other comment catchup news, that pitlane exit is ridiculous. By tunnel I thought they meant something short, that looks far too long and narrow and dangerous if anything happens in there as has already been stated by others.
The sort of place you could get stuck in a way that would make a surprise outcome to a championship?
zing!
:)
it has a repeat of 2007 written all over it.
I see what you did there. I like it.
When are we moving to Finland again? :D
You're gonna scare Lou like crazy now.
Or she might just say it won't be a problem because the title will be clinched this Sunday. :D
It won't be.
Is he cool enough to pull off Malc? Not that it matters now that he's Scott.
That's why I had to go with Scott. There is no direct mention of cardigans so I think I shall be safe :)
I didn't know Lonely Planet was mostly owned by BBC Worldwide.
There was a big fuss about it being bought last year (was it last year? Something like that)
2007 apparently. Interesting.
maybe its only mobile devices? perhaps its an automated thing to save data for posts you might not want to read?
I don’t pay for data, same as all UK iPhone users {Comment #125}
Until recently, I did (I'm an iPaq user on Virgin), and even now I am if I exceed 25MB in a month. I'm also charged for data when roaming. I wonder if it depends if James can borrow a WiFi connection for a given post, or whether he's trying some targeting (e.g. doing full-length for entries he wants to emphasise while leaving the rest in summary mode)?
if that’s true, he’s missing a trick because google offer ads in feeds too now. {Comment #143}
As good a reason as any for me to continue to refuse to join the RSS bandwagon.
The BBC were told off by the Trust the other week, who have finally got around to investigating. It's seen as an anti-competitive move by them.
:D
But I see a full post in Google reader - so where is the problem?
Thought you'd like that ;)
i can't get it work on the #mfc site. but if anyone knows how to i'm all ears. even if we have to provide an alternate system.
Wordpress.com would like you to pay for upgrades to allow embeds. There may or may not be hackable workarounds, but I have never been that bothered about looking.
Vettel and Barrichello need to have good results to stay in it. If they don't do good enough, Jenson will be champ no matter how bad his day is.
I'm guessing Vettel will definitely be eliminated from contention in Brazil, while Rubens will ahead of Jenson, but not by enough to keep his title hopes alive.
That's cool, except the last few championship seasons did not end so smoothly did they? :D
Law of averages - it HAS to end smoothly sooner or later, right? :) It ended smoothly for years before the last 2 Brazilian shootouts.
Are you using an iframe? I can kind of see why they wouldn't want to let you put one of those on the wordpress.com site. You could then use it to steal visitors cookies for wordpress.com. And so if Joe visited Gavin's site, Gavin could use an iframe to steal joe's wordpress login. Something that can't happen when you have your own wordpress because of the domain element of cookies.
Shame the law of averages doesn't exist then ;)
There's no such thing as an average though - it's just an indicator, not reality.
I didn't do anything! Honest Guv!
Sorry I didn't mean to single you out like that.
But then you could also say that just because the last 2 years didn't go so smoothly that this year won't go smoothly as well, right?
Of course you didn't - but then I am the "website breaker" :D
I think all you can say is, as they say in the banking sector, "past performance does not guarantee future results"
Errr... Go Jenson?
:D
Afternoon all
Hey, Jon.
From JA: Massa gives Alonso an uncomfortable welcome
I find it very interesting that JA says:
Game on.
It makes amusing reading, it basically says "i didnt mean it how it sounded, but i did" love it
exactly. :D looks like nurburgring 2007 will give us a window into the type of relationship they'll have. i wonder if this will help or harm Vettel's chances of ending up at Ferrari in the near future (for just like Alonso, I think Vettel in a Ferrari is a matter of when, not if).
I think in 20 years time, we will look back at Alonso and say "Brilliant driver, unable to handle strong team mates".
Schumacher Lite?
As opposed to now when we say....?
Good afternoon.
Good point.
Hey there, Alison.
Afternoon.
Yeah I guess we can say that now. I think what I meant was if we looked retrospectively at his career long after he stops?
#MFC Cineworld refusing people into cinemas with a laptop in case they record the film... But not refusing people who have mobile phones with cameras?!?!?
http://jeremynicholas.co.uk/?p=358
Also contains a reference to Bruce Willis in his white vest for maximum Sidepodcast relevance :)
This has been debated here many times :D
From the JA article:
Agreed - and it's one thing I really miss in 2009!
And it will be for many years ;)
Hehe indeed, and I will always defend Alonso ;)
As an ex-cinema employee I would say that phone camera recording isn't going to be good enough to sell on. Also taking phones off people is never going to be practical.
Do you find Button-Barrichello too chummy for your taste? :D
Oh absolutely!
Afternoon all.
What with the bad behaviour of other people, and unpleasant threats from the proprietors, cinemas are rapidly becoming no-go areas.
Agreed.
I like the guy - but it is starting to look like his weakness isn't it?
No driver is perfect - I will even criticise Lewis when he messes up!
It bugs me the media seem to try to make problems between them :(
There were hints of it happening between Webber and Vettel but, alas, Webber then went on this scoreless run...
Yeah that's not called for. But I like the rivalry - the classic F1 battles have always been bitter rivals!
A couple of years ago I was hauled over the coals good and proper by Alonso fanboys on various Spanish BBs – apparently. My 'E' grade in GCSE Spanish didn't permit great intepretation.
You forgot the fact that it costs 3x the price of renting or buying the movie, and the fact that even with eleventy cinemas, the film you want to see is never on at the right time!
Rivalries are very awesome ands make it more exciting, don't get me wrong!
It's when you find moronic journalism like this when it bothers me
The problem is each copy of the film reel is identifiable by the production company. If it's your cinema that's been the leak then you risk losing your right to screen every film by that house. Basically your whole company is bankrupted.
This quote at the end rocks:
Hamilton has been the only case so far, and it was more Alonso's problems with the team managment than Lewis. I'm sure Lewis would have prefered to have had Alonso in the car last year and this year, they pushed each other to their limits.
Agreed, if it was between the two of them it would have got a little more fiery.
Interesting! Is it like that cartographer's trick of having the wrong amount of fjords to catch out copyists?
He wasn't happy when Fisi beat him - and he got Kovy kicked out of Renault too. I hope he's not going to the reds expecting Massa and the team to roll over, it ain't gonna happen!
It's ålwåys løvely in the fjörds!
Hehehe. :D What did you do to get them all worked up?
Well, it's been a grueling week, so I'm off to the pub for a Didier and a Gerhard.
Yeah don't even bother - my experience with them is that he is God, Lewis is Satan and Alonso never does wrong.
Pironi and a Berger?
It was a story called The Enemy Within, published in F1R in 2007 – can't remember which issue, though. It was after the whole Alonso/Hamilton thing kicked off.
Fisi beat him only a couple of times though, and I don't remember Alonso being vocal about being upset at that. The only time he got frustrated with Fisi was when he was being held up and ruining his own race.
I've never heard that he got Kovy kicked out from Renault, considering the performance of Kovy I find it hard to believe he would have been threatened by him.
It has already been said that Alonso and Massa will be treated equally by the team next year and both of them know it. The days of Ferrari favouring one over the other seem to over.
Can you just imagine Barcelona next year? A sea of red...
But even Alonso in a Ferrari probably can't save Valencia...
True dat. Audi-os
Ooooh, must see if I have that in my archive. They were none too pleased by it, were they? I remember the Alonso mobs also over-running Ed Gorman last year and the year before that.
Its the same with a lot of British fans though just in reverse. Alonso is always guilty as hell.
Which is why there's a need for psy-war this early on. Heck, they might be arguing as early as now who gets to drive the car first...
I think there's a real good chance one of them might get sacked if the rivalry threatens to destroy the team. Good drivers they may be, but no one is bigger than the Scuderia.
It was the same with Schumi and Hill, as well as Senna/Piquet and Mansell. Nothing new, really.
I shall personally slap anyone who considers Rubens to be the bad guy in this battle ;)
The team has to manage them, Nurburgring 2007 showed what can happen between then although they were driving for different teams at the time.
What happened?
If I rememebr rightly they had an argument after the race. I'm sure it was on TV?
Alonso passed Massa in the closing laps for the win, they had some heated words before the podium about the pass as there was some damage to the sides of both cars.
Schumi always was guilty as hell though ;-)
Agree 100% Both camps are deplorable.
:P
Yup, as James had explained. And it was all in extremely fast/fluent Italian.
Hehe
I support Alonso, my friends can't understand why I didn't want to support Lewis in 2007 and last year they liked to rub it in that Hamilton won the championship and Alonso didn't do a lot. Also Hamilton going into the back of Alonso in Bahrain was all Alonso's fault despite Hamilton getting a terrible start.
Essentially I get a lot of grief for who I support.
Boo :(
I just remember Alonso telling the cameraman where to look on his car for the damage :D
I put up with it, Lewis' mistakes in Bahrain, Canada, France and Japan last year make it worth while ;)
41 pages completed... Which means I'm up to page 123. Due to editing making things shorter. There are only 156 pages now. 33 to go!
Woo! go Alex :D
IS there a way to undo all those windows patches? they have changed all the fonts now my computer hurts my eyes :(
there is system restore but i wouldn't recommend it, what exactly has it done?
I sit around 8 spaniards. They hate me!
Do you know I stayed on SP1 until the bitter end - since I was forced to update, my computer has been so slow!
oh dear :(
To be honest it is good that there is a riverly between the two of them gives people something to talk about.
:o
I think it may have more to do with what else is on there, what kind of spec have you got?
What's with the F1 hate?
All the defualt fonts have gone to really thin and hard to read letters...
I thought about system restore, but wont that just lead to it downloading and force installing like it did this time?
Seems like a cheap shot to get people to buy windows 7, which i have no interest in or need for
Does this mean you have to write more? :P
They hate Hamilton. It doesn't help that when he won, I put loads of Hamilton pics on my wall and I was deliriously happy!
A lot of makes of laptop hated SP2
I have had the update and it hasn't happened to me. So I don't think it's them just trying to get you to upgrade. Something must have gone wrong.
Weird, but then I have only ever used the default fonts. and yes it will so I guess you are going to have to change the fonts again.
I have changed the fonts in chrome to areil which is better, but it stil doesnt look like it did before
It's a 2006 spec machine with 1GB ram - a games rig. I reasoned that if IT departments weren't upgrading then I had no reason to. Of course I relented when programs refused to work unless I upgraded!
Screen res hasn't changed has it?
I never changed them in the first place, theic crazy microsoft thing destroyed it all.
I don't think so. The whole plan was to tighten the story up. So it's all good. We shall see though. There may need to be some inserts. Even when I've finished all the pages I still need to go back and make some tweaks. Things which I've put off until I have got to the end so I can judge a bit better.
nope
If in doubt add more nanobots ;)
1GB ram? :o hehe sorry, it might be worth while upgrading the RAM and seeing if that improves things.
noted :)
Hey - that was a lot back then!
Thing is, the machine was broken moving to Denmark so I may as well hang on until January and buy a new one!
Or more cowbell!
Did you put the Eiffel Tower in yet?
Never too much cowbell!
I've got a fever...
Not yet... I'm trying to work out a way to fit it in!
Hehe sorry. I just can't imagine having only 1GB now especially as Windows OS want about that just to run but good thinking on waiting until January :)
Just ask Mark Ronson
I'm running XP though?
Thing is, these were awesome specs when I bought it...
A fight scene at the top. With laser guns.
XP is fine ;) If you can avoid Vista at all costs.
And cowbell.
That makes no sense, avoid Vista when you get the new computer. :)
That's what I did ;)
Next machine shall be Windows 7 or I might get a machine sans OS and transfer XP licence over. What do you reckon?
Oooh good thinking... :)
We should all get co-authorship really :-)
I'm getting a new machine next year, and I'm getting it with 7 - it's mostly just a stable Vista, anyhow. Reviews look good, so it's worth getting. It'll save me the trouble of having to reformat and transfer everything again later.
Windows 7 for sure, whilst Microsoft are still supporting XP there will come a point where they leave it. Also Windows 7 is just plain awesome :)
I think you aren't going to be happy with the outcome :)
fair enough. you gotta wonder why they'll do that with XP because all the netbooks use it!
Indeed it will probably take a while to get used to the new task bar. Although I'm using it on laptop I've noticed a difference, my hard drive and cpu are not working anywhere near as hard as they were on Vista.
From Mr Noble:
That bad? I wonder if there's still a river at Turn 3... :D
I hope I get a special mention for all the shooing I've done.
There will be a 7 for netbooks, if I remember correctly. But yeah, not exactly the smartest thing to do.
:D
You have done some mighty fine work on the shooing front!
XP is supported until 2014 ;)
I hope so, 2003 was amazing :D
I have full text feed again (this morning it was shortened) for James' site. Is it possible that they change it depending on how much traffic the site gets?
This is so annoying...
If i knew how i would uninstall windows,
At this rate i will be blind by the end of the day
BBC man disagrees with you :(
It could have been a workaround after I crashed his site...
:(
what does he know? considering it was the first race i saw i thought they were all like that :D
Try a Linux live CD (Ubuntu or Mint) and if everything you need works there, kill Windows :)
So maybe I should keep XP and put it on the new machine? it would save a heck of a lot of money!
Im kinda glad they are saving some races for next year, it doesnt make sense to have all the best ones at once then boring races for 2-3 years....
I honestly wouldnt know where to begin!
True, but only 2/5 could have been considered 'classic' this time...
Here's what JA had to say on the matter "No insight I’m afraid. There may well be some copyright issues"
Boring.
wait a miniute, i do have some weird light version of linux, will give it a go
back up your files first Nick!
All you have to do is ask ;)
1. go here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
2. download
3. burn it on cd like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
4. put Cd in your drive. A menu will show up (after choosing your preferred language) choose "try without installing" or something similar worded. It's the first option.
5. Wait
6. Go to system -> preference -> keyboard and change your keyboard layout to the one your using because it chooses American as default for some reason.
7. Firefox is preinstalled. Start it and go to sidepodcast.com/realtime to tell us if your internet works
Arrgh he's been in-penguinated! :D
I will not take responsibility if sth goes wrong with that. ;)
hehe much cheaper than getting macintized.
:D I Like that!
Didnt work :( Got the organge bar up to full, drum noise, then my screen went to no signal mode
back to squinting
will do!
Nick are you running Vista?
Oh by the way, the whole Ron Dennis oxford thing was a farce, we got there to be told that it had been postponed till next Tuesday....pup crawl!!
*pub
XP
It has always been fine, no problems, now i have super thin undreadable letters everywhere. changing fonts in chrome made no real difference
A ron dennis pub crawl!
You have to film it!
Hush. Don't disturb my recruiting with useful advice on how to solve his problems. :)
Ron was on a pub crawl??
No i meant we went on a pub crawl ;)
without ron!
but if i run without installing will i still be able to save and install things?
Have you rebooted after the forced boot? Sometimes theme options aren't loaded on the forced reboot because it changes behaviour that the installer doesn't want changing while it's doing the final parts of the install.
whoops sorry ;)
If you run it from a usb stick you can do that. If you run it from CD you can only install things for the duration of the session but it's a good way to see if something vital stops working. If everything works: Do you have about 6 Gigs free space on your disk?
Hehehe. That just reminds me of drunk Ron Dennis.
Also take a look at:
Right Click on Desktop > Properties > Appearance tab, and choose Font size: Normal
:)
But check out Linux first :)
And then if that doesn't work...
http://www.hwdot.com/how-to-restore-default-windows-xp-fonts/
The best/worst bit was when we got there....the banners/posters up were clearly written by someone who's never watched F1/who can't spell....
"Tonight, Maclaren Boss etc etc Ron Dennis"
I looked at it, and told my brother that Ron Dennis didn't make push chairs....unsurprisingly....he didnt get the joke..
yup its on that
Those are the instructions for installing Linux on USB drive so that it remembers the settings.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
After doing that you can take your little Linux wherever you go :)
I think it would be easier to buy a new pc!
linux is easy!
What about this bit...
In Control Panel > Display > Settings > Advanced
> On the General tab, in the DPI setting list, choose ‘Normal’ 96 DPI. or ‘Custom with 100%’ (it’s the same as 96 DPI)
Just to check Nick you did see my comment about rebooting?
oh no, sorry, its very hard to see the letters!
ah yes, i have rebooted and tried starting ubuntu but the screen didnt like it ;)
still wubbuish
How does one find all the drivers for graphics cards, sound cards etc - especially in a note book?
don't need to do you? has always worked out of the box for me.
It should happen automatically
I dont have any cd burner software :oops:
Do you have a usb stick?
I do, i am looking for it atr the moment, i have an external USB hard drive if that helps?
If you can partition it or don't mind if the whole content disappears.
I have the usb stick!
this is all rather exciting. you should probably live streaming this posterity, y'know.
english fail. you know what i mean though.
I am supposed to be going swimming now... :P
Also i would need to shave ;)
I cant find the usb-creator.exe
Mmmm afternoon nappage can't be topped!
i just had an afternoon donut. not sure how that compares though?
and i'm just about to have afternoon waffles and chicken pie, could do with a nap though
I just built a flat pack cardboard recycle bin thing. I do like figuring that stuff out when no one else can.
I had an apple. Win!
pics?
Why were you not live streaming this???
Erm, not right now. Maybe in a bit.
Just downoaded a cd burner... cd burning in process
Go MrsC!
surely if your computer has a cd burning drive you can just drag and drop into the folder on my computer?
Can xp write cds?
ok. Sorry I tried to find the usb-creator but it's not on the Karmic beta either.
I used to be able to on my last computer and that was XP.
You just put a blank cd in, then double click on it in my computer which will format it, then drop all the files in and there'll either be a "burn to disk" button, or you eject it and it does it for you
but he needs a bootable image if you do it your way you just copy the files? Or at least that's how it was the last time I tried that.
Hmmm apples you buy here are gross!
i don't really know anything technical. but i was burning a program which had lots of parts onto disk
We have good fruit and veg here though - these are farm fresh :)
Booted from cd everything sounded like it was working but my monitor came up with an "out of range" message any ideas?
sit closer to it?
sound like it doesn't like your monitor.
Is it still trying to boot or has it stopped. If it has stopped. reboot and go into your bios on start-up, Maybe somehow the screen resolution was changed there somehow.
I have run ubuntu on this setup before, just the once and it was ages ago.
Grrr... I need a new pc
Might the monitor be the problem for windows too?
could just be screwed?
http://store.apple.com/uk
its possible, but why would the Windows updates effect it?
I thought Linux could run on low spec machines?
Oh no I failed! :D
coincidence?
macbooks run linux fine too.
will I need one of.their monitors too?
I knew it, you're as bad as drug pushers! You want us all to have linuxy macs......
we both use dell monitors.
shiny shiny.
I just want to have a computer which.works. so there is no way.to get Linux working?
Afternoon all.
No Peroni, so had to do with Hoegaarden as a substitute.
do you have a spare monitor you could try?
on a thursday?
There is a option to boot into graphic/safe mode whatever it is called. Just a second
I could try my tv? Perhaps I should try unplugging it...
Ok when you have the menu: "try ubuntu without ...; "install ubuntu...
press F4 and choose save graphics mode. Maybe you can change your resolution then later after it started if nothing is wrong with your monitor itself.
(with F3 you can change your keyboard, I*ve never noticed that before)
I just built four more of them! I am the official putter together of flat pack cardboard now.
well hello from linux :D
Where is this erection taking place?
Ah thanks. i think the problem is i had 2 things plugged into my graphics card and without the windows programe to manage it it got a little confused...
sorry i should have thought of that!
so nice to be able to read the screen properly agian!
Think i might need to do some reading and install this properly!
YAY!!!!
Scattered around my office building are five green cardboard recycle bin things hand built (or folded) by yours truly. Am trying to take a picture but it's proving tricky.
boxes, you mean? ;)
If you need help just shout.
Hmmm... Better I say nothing. :D
It's a weird octagon shape.
8 sides, but not equilateral? :D
Jon's life lesson #467: Falling asleep when you have food in hte over is a really stupid idea!
Quadrangular compressed-fibre surplus substance receptacle, if you're talking Ronspeak.
That does add a certain something to my achievement, I've got to say :)
no-one was talking Ron speak last night
:(
Clearly a sub-optimal logistical facilitation strategy had resulted in the delayed announcement of a guest non-arrival scenario.
Not to deter you from linux. But when you get a chance... Is it possible this change you've made for your monitor could have fixed the windows problem?
You guys in the press room have alot of spare time dont you ? ;)
:)
Shhh!
Hehe! There really should be Talk Like Ron day. Those pesky pirates get all the glory.
Oh dear I don't want to make Kathi angry!
Hehe.
Would that I were there: ears ringing because of the single glazing; haunted by the prospect of not knowing how I was going to get back to the hotel without being robbed at gunpoint every night; and even after arriving back safely, trying to ensure Mr Noble doesn't get squiffy on caipirinhas and end up talking to arms dealers...
I checked, it hasnt :(
hehe, have you tried introducing Mr Noble to the joys of the sidepodcast comments?
Yay!Sorry to hear that.Kathi if i want to install ubuntu properly will i need to download a different versiona and do some complicated hard disk partitioing?
No, you just use option 2 on the start menu or there should be a install icon on your desktop. Ubuntu does the partitioning itself, but you can also customize it. I'd suggest you use their suggestion on the first time and when Karmic comes out in 2 weeks you can become a bit more adventurous.
Que?
Join the club!
ok will do, cheers :D
Didn't Sting used to be into that sort of thing?
Has this been brought up here?
FIA Foundation leaders back Todt
the times had the scoop. pf-1 appear to be cribbing from that.
Saw it earlier. Cannot be bothered discussing :(
i see. was there any discussion on it?
i was going to start one, but didn't have the motivation.
apologies. it was the telegraph that had the story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/6328903/FIA-presidency-battle-erupts-into-new-row-as-leaked-emails-show-support-for-Jean-Todt.html
can't blame ya. the worst bit is if he wins.
My thoughts exactly - it's a non-story anyway!
It doesn't seem like news to me. Everyone knows F1's all about the greasy palms right?
our teacher woman was going on about motivation today and the psycholigcal etc etc etc.
it felt like being trapped in a room with EJ for 3 hours
what i would like to know is who leaked it...
might be a bit more than that:
"The FIA Foundation, of which Todt and Vatanen are trustees, is a charitable organisation which Mosley maintains is independent of the FIA. It is registered with the UK-based Charity Commission Direct, which is sure to take a dim view of Ward's actions."
but it doesn't surprise me
Same here. May change my deedpoll to Gerry Mander.
Nice name there... :D
Is that aspect a surprise either though? Money breeds corruption.
Well you learn something new every day on Sidepodcast ;)
ed gorman claims the bbc are wasting yet more money:
"Other than the superstars, the flight to Sao Paulo was full of mechanics, marketing people, PR types, the BBC team (some of whom were using up our licence fee money in Club class)..."
doesn't name and shame though.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/formula_one/2009/10/flight-information.html
Wonder if its Legard so we can get rid.
Hi all
f1r article a month ago says the beeb doesn't have a big team. so there can't be a lot of suspects.
EJ?
I don't think so. Legard doesn't seem to be the prima donna type to me.
i guess they could've paid the difference too?
yup, very possible.
and DC I imagine would be happy to pay the difference.
You not suggesting Ed Gorman is being sensationalist or loose with the facts are you? ;)
Indeed. It's hard to know the whole story. People like to twist things into news.
Was just thinking that Legard and Jake had dinner together in the middle of the night at Singapore. My guess is that Martin, DC and EJ had more expensive arrangements....
:D
seems reasonable.
Was actually thinking the exact same thing.
ed gorman especially.
Call it sour grapes if you will (and I suppose you can), but at Monza I did feel occasionally irked that I am, in effect, paying the BBC to put me out of business. Quite frankly, if you were to stand in the centre of the paddock with a gun, blindfold yourself, and then fire a shot at random, you would have a very high chance of hitting a BBC employee in the backside.
Was feeling a bit dispirited just now...
...So decided to kick the blues by playing Knights of Cydonia on Guitar Hero :)
While I was there I did manage a blast of Paranoid and Schools out for Summer. Rocktastic ;)
and an even higher chance of being arrested, and done for murder....
Just stay away from Ted, OK? :D
I thought they weren't that large a team?
Well, at least they do it better than ITV did.
Supply arrives to meet demand...
completely understandable. how their coverage can be considered non-competitive i have no idea?
It would take a while to die from a gunshot wound there, I reckon.
Love this comment :)
i don't know how good his aim is...but blindfolded....im not 100% sure he'd get their backside!
Not if it was a potato gun!
Just wait for BBC Worldwide to release their F1 Magazine...
they already have one. it masquerades under the name "top gear".
Without wanting to wade too much into the BBC debate. It is important to remember that we all paid for ITVs coverage too. The price of products that we buy is higher so that they can pay for advertising space etc.
Do they send people to the races?
Mrs C paid for me to go on a tank-driving thing for my 30th birthday. There was a clay pigeon shoot, too; not only I was the only person not to hit anything, but I actually had a bit of shrapnel (from someone else's accurate shot) land on my head. What's the chances of that?
On the other hand, I see Alex's Guitar Hero prowess and raise him Samba do Amigo.
didn't we boycott sponsors? we stopped buying sony etc.
We did??? *shuffles psp out of sight*
Woo! Maracas!
hehe. i saw nothing.
Right... But people say, "we pay the licence fee". But often don't consider that they are paying for the adverts that they are being forced to watch.
Samba off?
Did somebody actually buy that game?
Samba de Amigo was awesome.
I believe I have played it.
Interesting comparison, that. Back when EMAP were selling Car magazine by the bucketloads, they didn't view the launch of Top Gear mag as a threat, and they failed to respond to it. Now Car is a shadow of its former self and Top Gear sells by the, er, bucketloads. The BBC may not be an utterly rapacious organisation but its commercial arm certainly is – and of course, the one gives free advertising to the other. "*Other car magazines are available" doesn't quite cut it.
we didn't watch them though? we watched justin.tv for those bits.
i understand what you're saying. but it isn't a level playing field. commercial organisations vs. a publicaly funded organisation. it really shouldn't be allowed to happen.
it must be time to boycott the license fee?
then you're boycotting all of tv?
I think Top Gear has become too much of a lads mag - but then Car is very boring too!
I've heard a rumour that after 2012 the text content on the BBC site will be hugely scaled back to a level similar it used to be on cefax.
They are tying to share content with other uk media to avoid it, but i have little confidence that will work
Do you pay it? Their methods of checking are antiquated . You don't own a tv, they'd leave you be.
we do. i think we should stop in protest.
watching f1 live online would be illegal though.
Not with the invention of tv on your laptop
Having loads of problems with ubuntu...
I cant even get skype to work to ask for help!
I'm aware of that. They wouldn't catch you though.
They can't force you to buy a licence because you own a computer!
am noticing that more and more.
That is very naughty, I think. And it's a big problem. Because even if they don't mention it directly, as they have started to do, you still get the massive brand recognition.
But then on the other hand 25% of all of the Times Online's traffic is to Jeremy Clarkson! http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2009/11/michael-wolff-200911?currentPage=2
Speaking of people on Top Gear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JamesMayAutocar.jpg
This image misses the first sentence of the message, though.
AUTOSPORT has more details on the FIA Foundation mess, including who leaked it and the response.
Yes but you can't have the show for free. I'd rather have it without ads. I'd pay for the content particularly to avoid ads.
wow!
so would i. but i think i'd prefer to pay a commercial organisation playing by the same rules as everybody else.
wouldn't you?
Why?
Well it's complicated. I think the BBC here does much better than PBS does in the states because PBS isn't basically allowed to make anything truly interesting except by accident. The BBC makes hugely expensive costume dramas and wildlife programs which are picked up by American television because they are too risky and expensive for them to make. Now there are two arguments here, maybe they wouldn't be so expensive if the BBC wasn't corning the market, or maybe nobody wants to watch them. But the idea is that the BBC can make them despite the fact that only a small number of people want to watch them each year. Because if they didn't nobody would.
Should they be bidding for F1 and other sports? Well again, you could say no they shouldn't because that's mainstream entertainment. But then the BBC becomes marganalised like PBS in the states. The idea is that you watch Eastenders and then at the end they say, "now you've had your 'fun', how about some history?".
The third prong to this is that ITV ran out of money and actually dropped their contract giving it up to the BBC. Perhaps because the BBC is too strong but perhaps it is because ITV have no decent programs on its channel. They cater to the lowest common denominator in a chase to the bottom for ratings. Talk about cutting ones nose of to spite ones face!
it doesn't seem fair to me. as i pointed out to andrew benson earlier this year. perform this google search:
http://www.google.com/search?q=f1+mole
number one is the bbc's mole. number two is joe's mole. joe's is the original (and the best) and the bbc are pushing it down with their own crappy imitation. why should they be allowed to do that with public money?
there are no-compete clauses in place to prevent exactly that from happening and they aren't working.
And joe's mole was originally on ITV until ITV got rid of them.
It's also not technically public money. I know this is largely semantics. But you don't have to own a television, so it's not technically considered public money.
They do that because the BBC hires all the best people, puts freelancers on retainers saying they cant work for other terrestial channels, and generaly acts uncompetitively.
Its a badly run organisation, it should have 1 or 2 tv channels, not 10. it should not be broadcasting radio, and it should be entirely seperated from its commercial and 'propaganda' arms
I really have no idea what you guys are arguing about, but I saw "BBC" and "Top Gear" a lot.
You know what I'd actually pay for? The ability to watch/download some BBC shows as you guys see them (like Top Gear) or shows that just plain aren't avalable in the states (Quite Interesting, Last Chance to see as well?) without having to resort to... errr... OTHER means.
you may now continue arguing about things I know nothing about :)
ubuntu is the most un user friendly piece of software i think i have ever seen
Speaking of the BBC Mole, is it still alive?
top gear is on itunes US, isn't it? paid for download as you suggest.
what are you trying to do?
I am scared to ask propaganda arms?
And the idea that it should have radio is madness. I will fight for the right to listen to Radio 4.
*not have
IT's the "American cut". different music, something like 15 - 20 minutes is cut out, and I don't think it shows up on iTunes until it airs on BBC America, which is later than when it originally airs in the UK
Amusingly, back when AB was GP editor of a certain magazine that now refers to itself in capital letters, he wrote a damning column explaining precisely why he was leaving the sport and not coming back...
Hmmm... Methinks it's worth digging up, that.
I think that site operates on a shoestring, and I'm not talking about a regional detective played by Trevor Eve.
but you can't own a tv and not pay them. even if you don't want to watch their content. and then they turn around an walk all over the competition with your funding.
i'm baffled how it's even legal?
Hrrrmmm... I may have to check on that... did a search and playtimes are around an hour, which would indicate it hasn't been cut...
ahh, didn't realise. boo.
Yes you can. You're just not allowed to use it to receive. You could use a tv to watch dvds or play games or something.
I cant get skype to work because it says another skype instance may exist which blatently isnt true.
I was going to re install it, but there is no obvious way to uninstall.
It wants to download some updated eice drivers but it crashed and i couldnt close the window, so i had to restart the comouter now i cant find out how to try and get the drivers again
It seems to take about 4-5 times as many clicks to do things which normaly only need one?
but i still can't watch itv. you have to agree that it's not normal. even if you think it's acceptable.
The governemnt pay them to run news channles broadcast all over the world. Usually radio, but there are websites and now 24 hour video news channels.
Editiorial control is with the BBC under the supervision of the foreign office
If radio 4 is worth what it costs it could exist with adverts or subscription
The problem with seperating the BBCs commercial arm is while it's easy to suggest that the BBC shouldn't sell Tinky Winky dolls or Top Gear Magazines. The commercial arm is also responsible for reselling the programs into other markets. The BBC has two options, give it away for free and then people will complain that "our licence fee" is paying for those people who get it for free. Or they can sell it. And once you sell it introduces commercial pressures on the BBC. Make that character more cute, make it more acceptable to American viewers, etc.
Rock and hard place. I have to say that they should remove the part of BBC Worldwides influence on program buying decisions.
What you think about the BBC just depends on your economic outlook. The way they take the licence fee just turns it into a different kind of tax.
No. Have you watched American news television? Or listened to American radio news?
The lack of people being able to buy control is hugely important.
wow you're moving fast. Did you use the medibuntu distro?
system -> administration -> synaptic manager is were you can add/remove free software.
sustem -> administration -> hardware drivers may be your best bet
Also have you updated your system already?
It's different to windows but it has its own logic which is logical. Erm you know what I mean
For the record I have radio 4 love. Most of its charm is the lack of commercial input.
I agree that it's not normal. The problem was (and still is for the way most people receive tv) that there is no way to tell if you are lying or not about if they watch BBC.
then do it by subscription. A lot of radio 4's output is a duplication of radio 5 anyway
I hate radio adverts far far far far far more than tv adverts.
repository not distro. sorry
So you're saying that I shouldn't pay a licence fee, I should buy a radio subscription? I don't see why it makes a jot of difference.
If it bleeds, it leads!
There's benefit to not having a news organization that needs to "sell itself" with sensationalization to consumers.
That's what we are doing. The problem is there isn't yet a viable national distribution channel which works where you can guarantee the listeners have paid.
Absolutely. I'd pay £100 a year for Radio 4.
What was Gavin saying about drivers being chummy? :D
The vet had to give one of those to one of our cats a year or so back.
Awww :D
A repository? I don't get it...
I did the one on the cd i burned, i am thinking it might not really be the best one!
i need to find the folder where skype would be intalled to change something apparently, any idea where it would be?
Jenson and Rubens look like a couple. It's a bit creepy.
Do they look like they're about to divorce? ;)
Its mandatory though. privatise it, fund it by people who like it sending in money if they like it. If there isnt enough cash it could go internet only, and if there isnt enough to do that it could be scaled back further
Morning Joe sponsored by Starbucks!
Sorry – bad suppository pun. You'll never look at a tea towel holder in the same way again.
They look like they just adopted a German boy..... Make or break perhaps?
Its volentary. you only want radio 1, only pay for that... you dont want to listen, dont pay!
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Fixing my FR teams now. My goodness, won't it be fun making a lineup with 26 active drivers to choose from next year...
Update from NobleF1...
Robert Kubica says that Renault is looking for an experienced driver to race alongside him in 2010. Not good news for Romain Grosjean
#sorrymrc
You pay far more money for the other channels. And my guess is you watch more BBC than anything else.
Anyway... Better go... I was supposed to be doing more editing whoops!
Heikki or Timo? It's pretty much down to the two of them now.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'd say Timo... although Heikki has links with the team so...
No offence Amy, but Heikki has no chance, Timo rules.
Never heard of this thing called bias.
But splitting the funding like that is nonsensical. The sum can only cost more than the total does now.
I'm guessing one of them will be in a Renault, the other will be in a Toyota.
I say Timo to Renault, Heikki to Toyota.
Just before I go... Loving this comment from Mr C in the archives:
http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/02/24/daily-24th-february-2009/#comment-199478
:)
medibuntu is a add-on for Ubuntu where all the freedom hating stuff is. You can install it like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
it ships skype and this version is the most compatible that you can find.
Your 'personal settings' (that is you chat protocolls and studd like that) are in /home/"yourusername" or click places -> home folder. Then under view ckeck hidden files and .skype will show up
Nick can I reach you on a landline telephone?
Am off to bed. Good night, everyone. :)
Night!
Boooo no.
Nick are you still alive?
Is it rude to write "I'm leaving for a position with better pay and prospects" in a resignation letter?
just! Back in windows now after this happened http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/imag0075
probably to say you aspire to better pay and prospectsd and feel you feel you need to move to achieve that
Sorry Kathi, the skype on my phone is pretty poor, i couldn't hear you then it wouldn't let me call back!
My resignation letters tend to be one sentence saying I tender my resignation from whatever date. If they ask why you are leaving tell them but for the resignation letter keep it simple
It's not me. My sister is quitting her job. I think that's a bit too rude but tbh after how they've treated her, they're lucky she's willing to work some notice.
Awww no I normally write really nice ones. Thankyou for all your investment in my training and development. That sort of thing :P
Remember, if you ever ask for a reference and they pull your file out, that letter is gonna be the first thing they see.
Your sister!
Paper mache time? ;)
Agreed.
But if you can't say something nice... Go for Steven's approach :)
I have never done anything beyond the basics even when I really liked the company.
If they need to check my file to remember who I was and what I did I was doing a lousy job in the first place.
Doesn't it depend on the kind of job that you're doing? Actually perhaps not.
If you are working for a company with multiple locations and centralised HR it may be different
A lot of references ask for specific information about attendance. How many sick days etc. If someone knows that off the top of their head, I'd call the police.
it's fair to say i've changed my mind on my opinion of the bbc. that's allowed isn't it?
the bbc's handling of f1 has made me see an entirely different side to them. the nasty side.
Indeed. Until I worked at my current firm I worked at places where there was such a high staff turnover that you often couldn't expect somebody that you had worked with to still be at the firm.
What did they do?
Of course. I was only pulling your leg.
I think I have generally been pleased at the way that the BBC has tried to cross sell F1 as a sport, whereas it seemed quite ghettoized at ITV. I wouldn't say it is nasty. I just think that we are experiencing a particularly tough economic climate at the moment which always hits advertising first. And while the hugely anti-competitive iPlayer could have only have come from the BBC, I think that it is certainly needs an organisation like the BBC to push the limits like that. 1st with national radio, 1st with television, 1st with colour television, 1st with a proper online presence, 1st with online shows, 1st with online live shows. The point of the monopoly is to push the innovation for the common good.
But with everyone else suffering at the moment, it's hard for everyone to compete. If you turned off the BBC, I think we'd soon realise that we missed it a lot. A large part of what we would miss is the ways in which it keeps the other organisations honest.
Ooops blockquote fail!
Brawn's livery is going a bit local this weekend it seems...
http://twitpic.com/lmm9t
Been thinking about Felipe's broadside and just wondered about whether this is a planned and concerted effort ...
He is just back from Maranello where he and Rob would have been putting their heads together.... I have a feeling Rob will be right on Felipe's side in making Fred feel not at all at home....
They would have known Felipe would have a big press meeting in Sao Paulo...
And to say "I think you are a liar but I am sure we'll work together OK as team mates" is right in your face.... just after Felipe has been smoozing all his chums at Maranello... and then refusing to do the PR thing and retract fully should have Ferrari worrying about next year big time...
I am also waiting for Teflonso's first outburst against Ferrari in public... because we all know it will happen as he does it everywhere he goes.... and if he does it this time it'll be game, set and match to the much loved Massa....
Also, the front wing is even more yellow! :D
http://twitpic.com/lmm6g
I agree with that, but i think the BBC is slaightly out of controll at the moment. The iplayer should be developed into an open platform so itv,4,5,and channles like bravo can use it to have their own content on. So you would have for example bbc.iplayer.com or itv.iplayer.com
You got my hopes up for a good looking car, and dashed them with some boring looking sponsors.
Why not keep the highlighter yellow? It looks awful compared to that.
But why should the BBC fund its rivals like that. Channel 4 had a perfectly functional platform of their own before. THen they made it unusable.
It does look out of place... but I like yellow. I feel conflicted. :(
They were barred from doing that. Because that was seen as uncompetitive.
to software developers.
nah, i love 'em. i'd forgotten i said that, and the planet earth things was brilliant. f1 coverage... not so much.
They have signed a deal today to have all 4OD content on YouTube!
What's wrong with it? What did they do?
Luckily / Unluckily I remember everything except names.
Whilst the software developers make millions and itv go bust!
see i think the f1 mole, and other such items are nasty.
you can't really believe benson just came up with the name, never having read joe's site?
they're ripping off ideas and in theory putting people out of business. or at least making it very hard for them to compete.
to other software developers I meant.
didnt joe take it off itv?
I'm waiting to see what it looks like when it is all together.
I can only see that item that was mean to be honest.
It's the same writer...
I miss the brawn symbols
Thank goodness they havent been using that all year!
I think if you didn't like Joe so much, you'd be much less bothered by this. It's only a stupid name on a blog. Hardly world in peril stuff. You're dooming the whole corporation over that?
who seems to have a new way of saying what hes thinking ;)
maybe. but remember their take on "f1 big picture" wasn't originally called that. something like "darren heath's view". again, did they just happen to pick a new name out of a hat. and why are the bbc allowed to highlight just darren's work and give him a voice every fortnight.
other photographers are not worthy?
Why do they need to have more than one photographer? Isn't that more of a waste of money than having one? He's a good one too. What's the need for a replacement.
Its a bit like saying why do they have ted every race? Are other pitlane reporters not worthy?
Its a feature, i guess they see it like a column by an expert but in photograhpic form?
not true. sorry, but we talked the other day about how bad i think the bbc's coverage is. you may have missed the conversation, but i really think they've done an awful job and wasted a shed load of money in the process.
darren is not employed by the bbc (so far as i know). he's freelance. why him?
I don't think that's fair. When do we ever talk about world in peril stuff? That's not what we're here for.
he probably has a good agent ;)
he's not the bbc's photographer. the bbc use library shots from companies such as getty. f1 big picture is a one-off deal they've done to plug the nuts out of darren heath.
why not a different tog for each race??
If some writers in the times are to be belived, crashgate may have been world in peril discussion ;)
it's just wrong. if i was any other freelance photographer i'd be livid. i don't even think darren is that special. i've already proved this year he talks rubbish.
let's hear from some others.
He's awesome. It probably suits him as a photographer not to be an employee. If they wanted to rotate it, they'd need another employee to sift through potentially relevant photos and choose etc etc.
you've got it wrong. he isn't the bbc's official photographer.
they've just picked a name out of a hat to fill a feature.
But it's always him. He might as well be their photographer. It's just that whatever arrangement they have isn't called that?
Last year at ITV it was Sutton. And he had a link on each photo so you could buy them.
perhaps he provides all the bbc websites photos?
If thats the case i expect he won a competitive tender to do so
Well that may well not be true. Martin, for example, doesn't work directly for the BBC. Neither does Jonathon Ross. They aren't employees as such. Same way that Darren isn't.
but that's different. the bbc pay getty, like itv paid sutton. people need photography and they pay for it.
bbc's f1 big picture is something completely different. it's a 24/7 plug for darren heath, he's work and his thoughts.
why?
I hadn't heard of this but I have just been reading about it. I guess Rob saw how Lewis got into Alonso's head and this is the start of the campaign. Just wait till the first strategy meeting when Rob or Felipe comes out and says how surprised they are that Alonso didn't just let the engineers sort out strategy like he said he did at Singapore.
I don't see why it's different to anyone elses blog on there.
True, but is it any different to what murrays doing?
:lol:
murray doesn't have anything to plug. he's in retirement. darren is fighting for work against plenty of other freelancers who aren't getting that kind of publicity
It was a story called The Enemy Within, published in F1R in 2007 – can’t remember which issue, though. It was after the whole Alonso/Hamilton thing kicked off. {Comment #308}
September 2007 edition - it was one of the quartet of pieces done for the title contender issue (some of you may remember it for the cover with Alonso, Hamilton, Massa and Raikkonen in suspiciously computer-edited-seeming fighting poses).
Stuart, "The Enemy Within" made a lot of sense and I liked it, but I can see why some of the Spanish contingent might have got slightly mad...
I meant Mark Suttons blog on ITV F1
Sorry, I just got confused about what we were talking about. Mr C was saying he hated the BBC and when I asked why he said it was about the mole blog. I just got confused at that point.
It was called from memory Life through the lens or something. I think it has been deleted now that the deal has stopped.
He had a new book out this summer didnt he?
I see what you are saying, but i dont see how hit helps/hinders anyone else. If anything other people might be put off using his pics in their publications as they want to differenciate from the bbc?
What are the odds in them picking Darren Heath's name out of a hat? He was picked because he is the best at the big picture type shot
Other people with F1 opinions could be having that space on the BBC website. I'm sure a lot of people want to write for them.
i don't think i recall it. but i assume it was a similar concept.
the key difference is, somewhere in the depths of the bbc charter thingy, they're supposed to be unbiased. so a commercial organisation can pick darren and he can give them a discount and all would be well. but should the bbc be allowed to use our money for the same purpose.
i'm sure they are not.
Isnt it the same as them using getty though?
What if he really is providing the best photographs. They shouldn't be forced to use substandard ones in the interest of fairness. Also you expect them to negotiate the price right? That'd be an even bigger waste of money.
the bcc aren't asking getty to explain how great there are at taking photos?
And as I said, he's freelance in the same way Martin, DC and Jonathon Ross are freelance.
Martin writes for the Times for example.
Isnt that a help to other photographers though?
he is not the only decent f1 photographer. you may think he is... and why might that be?
exactly.
It was a story called The Enemy Within, published in F1R in 2007 –
September 2007 edition {Comment #718}
Sorry - it's October 2007, not September 2007 (same cover though - it appears looking for the F1 Racing with a particular (more recent) Alonso interview has side benefits).
I don't care. I'm sure there are others. It's the same as there must be very good drivers that don't have enough money or exposure to get an F1 drive. In all walks of life, the best person doesn't always get a job. Tbh I'm not that fussed either way.
I thought Martin was a BBC employee? There was another comentator who didnt get the job, because he wanted to be a freelancer.
Martin is under contract to the BBC but that doesnt stop his other interests, the same as Boris writing a column in the telegraph every week...
i think alison's last comment has essentially proved my point.
that is game over isn't it? the bbc put him on the homepage all year, so therefore he must be the best. everyone else is substandard.
why else would they choose only him?
Oi. I'm not retarded.
I don't think Christine is going to like the new Le Mans tech regs. Peugeot lose out big time to Audi.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79443
fair enough. i am, and i think we're getting an awful deal from the beeb and i don't think it's right, nor fair. but that's only my opinion.
I have heard he was the best a few years ago when he discovered mclarens independent breaking, but i see your point.
Maybe they will use a different photographer next year?
Hello all, things I have learnt today: 1 - Vista SP2 will never install on my machine despite the best efforts of the nice man from Microsoft who keeps e-mailing me new things to try. 2 - When going back to normal PC settings it's best to plug everything back in before panicking that the things you've been doing (and don't understand) have broken your PC & all it's associated attachments.
quite the opposite and that's why this matters. that's why it's important.
it's subliminal, but it's very important. at least to me.
I don't really understand what it means but if it's bad for Franck, then boo.
he will be driving an open top though, so you get to actually see him driving...
He has a personnel service agreement just like all the others. He is not an employee technically.
Right. I just don't understand one thing. Why is it an abuse when the BBC does it this year and you actually saw the blog, versus last year when ITV did the same and you didn't read it?
It's just about money though? Presumably he's come to a favorable arrangement for all concerned. As a license payer, that suits me as well. I've opened the thing about twice. There's a reason I don't know any F1 photographers, I take no interest.
Fisi beat him only a couple of times though, and I don’t remember Alonso being vocal about being upset at that. The only time he got frustrated with Fisi was when he was being held up and ruining his own race.
I’ve never heard that he got Kovy kicked out from Renault, considering the performance of Kovy I find it hard to believe he would have been threatened by him. {Comment #309}
I know of two incidents about Alonso getting upset about Fisi beating him, though one of them (USA 2006) I only heard about through an F1 Racing article in June 2009 (not exactly contemporaneous). The other time was following China 2006, and it wasn't Fisi holding Fernando up but the latter's worn-out tyres...
The Kovy-kicked-out-of-Renault thing, to the best of my knowledge, is only a rumour, and I'm not convinced it is actually true. Remember there was a time when Renault believed in Piquet Jr, even if some of us never did...
Would ted be an employee?
I want to see him as pitlane reporter for the bobsleigh in Vancouver!
the bbc's pulling power is based on them being given a shed load of money (our money) to do good things. and work within fair criteria.
now they are twisting that criteria and taking that money and doing bad, by stealing other people's moles and favouring certain togs over other togs.
not what the bbc charter says (as i understand it). and not right.
And as a final note... I really am going... I think the problem we are suffering from is the biggest monopoly of all. The big football matches are on BBC1 and ITV. And I'm sure they get very good coverage standards which I'm sure cause the organisations to have to keep their standards up the rest of the year.
Bernies monopoly causes F1 fans even more of a problem than the BBC ever did.
Baically to stop drivers in closed cars like the Peugeot getting fried they must run air conditioning. Because air conditioning takes a lot of power the closed cars are allowed more powerful engines to compensate. Now in next year's regs they have taken away the engine power advantage so effectively the coupes have less power.
As a result Peugeot either have to run with a power disadvantage or build a new open car.
I doubt it
From Mr Noble:
Woken to a huge rainstorm in Sao Paulo this morning. Forecasts suggest the bad weather is in for the weekend.
That bad? I wonder if there’s still a river at Turn 3… {Comment #373}
I hope they've fixed the leaks in the buildings round the circuit. I seem to remember that, among other things, the media centre sprung a leak at some point during the 2003 weekend...
Ah. Rrrrubbish.
if the bbc and itv both covered f1. itv would lose.
it's an unfair fight.
BBC and ITV simultaniously with different commentary and build up I mean.
Meh. I don't subscribe to the god of competition. I don't really want to talk about it though.
It is. But the alternative isn't ready yet. I'd rather keep the BBC intact and wait for an all subscription online service which will be here in 5-10 years.
:D
itv would lose. what would be fair, would be itv and channel 4 covering the event.
or itv and sky. anyone but the bbc, because their pockets are deeper and their brand larger and they don't need to run advertisements.
Feel free to start a new topic.
i completely get where you're coming from (i will let you go in a second honest). but for me bbc + f1 is an awful combination on so very many levels.
We own Channel 4 too by the way.
itv and channel 5?
I really disagree. Despite the two things you've mentioned which I'm more than willing to conceed are bad (Heath and Mole - although I think Heath was already happening). I have found the BBC a vast, vast improvement over ITV.
I like what Ari is saying. Hope the FIA members are listening to this.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79447
i've just got the bbc to load. this is the header text from every big picture darren supplies:
"The photographs are taken by Darren Heath, who over the last 20 years has carved a reputation as one of the best photographers working within the sport."
followed by:
"This is Darren's story behind his latest image"
and finally a plug for a camera manufacturer:
"Camera: Canon EOS1DS Mark3. Lens: 50mm Exposure: 200th sec @ f/5"
About my world view? It's a bit too radical methinks.
My dinner is mega yummy.
Has this been brought up here?
FIA Foundation leaders back Todt {Comment #513}
The Todt camp really are bringing out the dirty tactics, aren't they? :(
That is ridiculous. I couldn't believe it when I first heard that a couple of years ago.
:)
fair enough. i know i watch less f1 build up coverage now than i ever did. but conversely i watch more of the race due to lack of advertising.
While I'm not a fan of EJ as a pundit. I have to say that I still prefer the passion that Jake, DC and to a certain extent EJ have over Steve and Mark.
The guy concerned says he only works for the foundation four days a week and helps Todt with policies in his free time so there is no conflict of interest.
The foundation is a charity and should not be indulging in politics
Pictures on the drop?
is it must see viewing though? would you feel like you missed out if you didn't catch it?
i guess media is changing too. i know exactly what's going on with bbc coverage just watching live comments, but maybe i couldn't do that before?
Isn't that a different argument though?
I think there is a difference between a) being better than everyone else and b) ignoring your charter.
They [the BBC] can’t force you to buy a licence because you own a computer! {Comment #578}
No, but they can force you to buy a licence to access certain files that consist of their live streaming services. The enforcement technology shouldn't be that complicated...
Hello
Right, I get that. But if they didn't broadcast in the first place then you wouldn't have the source of the comments.
I remember you last year wanting them to move to a studio based system. However they seem to have the best of both worlds now. Studio for the red button coverage. But the ability to grab people in.
not true. that isn't a studio, it can't do anything that studio's do. it's not what i suggested nor wanted.
the forum is a couple of chairs in a tent.
hey sir. we're debating bbc f1 coverage, but i'm not winning anyone over.
I think I'd really like to see the F1 presented in a studio again yknow...
I noticed, I haven't read back through yet, will do in a sec.
BBC and sky could be interesting
When they oth showed the FA cup final we used to chose sky because it was better, even though they had adverts...
i'd like them to do to f1 what they did to football.
even if i can't stand the bloke in charge, i'd like them to try.
I can see that, and I agree to an extent. My problem is that the charter causes so many annoying problems for me.
One of my favourite podcasts (not my favourite obviously :) ), for example, is from Adam and Joe, they are not allowed to make any podcast only stuff except for a brief intro and outro because that is the rule. And apparently that is anticompetitive. So they can't do it. It annoys me, but I understand. I still prefer the lack of adverts to almost any alternative. Would I prefer it to no other media? No of course. Can I see a danger of that happening? Yes. There must be controls, of course, but I'm not sure that they always seem to be the right things that are being controlled.
I chose BBC cos they didn't have Andy Gray, but thats a personal choice not based on decisions. But SKY really did show how to use interactive services.
I would, i got quite annoyed when they didnt put the forum up for a couple of days when i missed it
Like what?
If they used a studio it would be in london, and i think that would be a huge step backwards
Mr C mentioned the other night about more interactive stff you can do in a studio environment
yeah I'd prefer it to be on site definitely.
Studios arent allowed on site anymore
Also I only really went down this line because Mr C was suggesting that they had wasted their opportunity.
Just, maybe not in front of the garages.
Backwards from standing outside a garage not being able to hear anything?
Really?!
Well thats stupid...
but but walking and talking? :)
You can hear the engines, see things happening in the background.
I really dont mind them having to shout over the engines, for me it shows what the cars are really like and adds to the atmosphere
Just out of curisoity Mr C, what interactive stuff do you want?
There isnt enough space
Only if it's away from the pit lane.
I think people need to remember this is only year one.
Ah. I do mind. Either show the engines or talk. Don't do both.
In my opinion yes. They don't need to stay put, but for some reason they do. But I remember the old ITV studio when they didn't send people to the races. And in them days they didn't even know it was raining until they threw down to Murray and James. Let alone get a chance to talk to somebody, unless it was the odd guest - who was also in London.
Fair enough. The interaction between studio and commentators at other events is pretty good, I'm sure they could do it justice.
exactly that. you can't do detail when you're outside in a live environment and you don't even know what the weather will be.
studio's are controlled environments allow much greater capacity for enhanced coverage.
Like what? Sorry I wasn't around for the other chat. Can you say again or link?
Not trying to be difficult but am just unsure?
It doesn't make any sense to be yammering on in London about the latest news we've all read on Autosport.com anyway. The guys should be on site talking to the people involved and gleaning throughout during the weekend by talking with personnel off-the-record post-qualifying, pre-practice, whatever.
The only mistake they are making right now is standing too close to the engines.
Also how is that different than the three chairs in a tent setup?
you can't compare coverage now to the old days. a london studio, would be a perfect place to present a f1 one show from. you'd need a ted and a louise on the ground and two people in the box, but jake, dc and eddie could remain in the uk.
I'd rather have interviews with people standing in the pit lane over some flashy graphics and people sat round a table discussing a race hundreds of miles away.
Absolutely agree!
To the point where Jake nearly got run over :P
Basicly it all changed when FOM took over tv production. they adderd 3-4 times as many cameras and they work wirelessly. this means they have to be able to get a signal back to their production trailers on site.
ITV used to use a studio on top of their production van, but when they started using wireless signals these were bannes as they were getting in the way of signals returning to the world feed producers.
If you want a studio now it would be in london. I would trade all the interactive options we have now and any potential ones in future to avoid that
And they haven't learned from it in 15 races or by studying ITV's coverage. I don't think they will.
it's kind of difficult to do a peter snow swingometer in a brawn motorhome.
the kind of coverage i'm talking about is the kind of thing you see in snooker where people get to draw on screens to exaplin stuff.
Evening all
And miss out on DC saying, "So as I heard in the drivers conference I was in earlier that..." and EJ saying, "well Frank Williams told me he was going to Veto".
I soooo wish we had a fraction of budget to make some F1 video right now :)
If it's any compairosn, I thought Jakey (and that boring bloke off the one show but he wasn't as good )doing a great job hosting the Olympics from a studio going back and forth between events but still being interesting enough to talk between them... he definitely has the ability to do it in a studio but it depends, if they did, how the BBC ran the show that way.
I can't believe they've banned on site studios though!
but what would you draw on the screen, the racing line?
Indeed.
Why couldn't those people be in the studio back in London rather than the pundits?
Also... I'm pretty sure in MotoGP I have seen this from the paddock but I don't follow so I'm not sure.
Its not exactly football where you can move the players around and draw where they should be running and passing etc.
that would look nice and everything, but i would rather have them teasing infomation out of blabbermarsh on chairs in the paddock ;)
And you can't do that in the set-up they have now for the forum? They could just have a segment of pre-race in that location.
Surely you just make the TV they are sat next to a touch-screen which outputs into the outbound feed.
i can see this argument going nowhere :)
i will say, that we know what's possible in a studio enviroment right now, and it is so many years beyond what you're thinking, that you probably have to see it to believe it.
standing chatting in a pitlane doesn't come close. in a few years if f1 coverage doesn't change, jake will look very silly. i promise ya.
(you can even quote me from the archives)
That football thing looks to be the easiest thing int he world.
select random clip. move three people, make up a random scenario which could have happned...
why isn't it?
Who was it who didn't like the overlays? I think they are going to be upset :)
Only problem is its used by Andy Gray and I'm pretty sure he just makes up nonsense and blames everything on the goalkeeper. Gah.
well, you may know..
Its more of a restricted form when it comes to scribbly lines on a fancy screen. It is quite hard to think what you can scribble what you may as well just say as it makes no difference one way or the other.
sidepodcast f1 coverage would rock!
if only there wasn't a monopoly company running roughshod over everyone with their public funding.
Before a race someone analyse the best lines into the first corner on lap 1 or how certain drivers can benefit?
I dont think so.
It sounds a bit like when they first put sport on tv and said they didnt need comentators, because they were only usefull to people listening on the radio.
You could do a lot in a studio, but you woul lose the realism of being there...
why would i want to see 3 people in london standing in between virtal reality cars when they could be next to the real thing talking to the people who are working on them?
You want Steve Matchett chalk talks live
I am sure that you are right. And yet I'm not clear why the studio back in London needs the presenters in it? Jon Snow (actually he doesn't do it any more it's Jeremy Vine I think) isn't in the same bit of the studio as the rest.
Having been to quite a few GPs I really believe you would lose a lot of the flavour of the event...
You wouldn't get Eddie pulling Schuey in for an interview...
Sutil chasing after women....
Jake trying very hard to put Bernie on the spot...
It would be F1 lite.... or worse....
:lol:
It's Bernie that's the problem. Come on! You couldn't have done it when ITV were doing it either! Don't be silly.
Also it depends on what occurs in a race. Could be pit stop problems to point out, could be errors on a lap from the onboard camera to point out, anything could occur for them to use scribbly lines. Plus scribbly lines arent necessary if you don't need them, tis just an example.
There are all sorts of thing you can do from racing lines to changes in the car to analysing accidents
it need racing drivers with experience to control the technology. to say, this happened because of x,y,z etc. and draw it, and move the cars and discuss with other drivers what happened.
But usually you don't need scribbly lines to point something out big in an f1 incident.
This is true, and those parts could even be pre-recorded by the team who then fly out to the race.
Which bits of the coverage from each race(apart from the race!) do you guys recall....
I'm beginning to think I'm just commenting so I can just say scribbly, I love that word
you can move the cars about? surely it would take the background with it?
Another example would be Nico the other day. It seemed so much more interesting when he was facing the presenters all firing questions at him than what lee could have done.
Its no reflection on her, but the enviroment, you dont tend to get good interviews when you are in a scrum
And we're trying to share it with you, but the people, they are resistant to change.
although im being really prehistoric arent i
*apart from if they want to rant to as many journalists as possible
Right... So I don't see how you'll get them in London anyway.
It's easy enough to keep the background when you know how ;)
the sutil/heidfeld accident is a great example. we broke out the plastic cars to visualise it.
extrapolate that to a giant screen and show people what happened. fly around the accident matrix style. give people the oppurtinuty to understand f1.
Having them actually there to interview people find out the latest bit of information like Alex mentioned is better than having them sat in a studio. If the BBC were tp move them to a studio I'll only be watching the race and miss the build up. There is room for improvement in their coverage but this is only year 1.
but at the end of the day FOM control the feed not the BBC so it is up to them?
Sorry but it isn't coming across! What I'm getting is "we can have a bloke waving his arms in front of a green screen in London!"
I'd rather have insider knowledge of people on the ground.
lukeh. f1 coverage needs you!
And you can't do that in a tent?
Why can't we have both?
The idea sounds good.
couldnt they do that without the presenters or a studio though? just cgi?
Sorry, I read that as if you wanted both of them
no. for starters it needs to be dark!
because they would all be back in the studio, Ted and Martin don't have the same contacts that DC and EJ do.
Ted has said a million more useful things than EJ has.
That's what I want :)
And to have both would mean more dosh....
He couldnt run into the Ferrari garage and literally drag MS out though*
*Bad example
jake being at the track isn't important. he's just wasting hotel bills.
you need someone at the track, but not the anchorman.
I don't dispute that but can Ted grab someone and pull them over for an interview as EJ has done with Ross Brawn and Schumacher?
The idea is simple I reckon, Jake, Eddie, DC, Ted, Martin and Legard/New commentator at the track as well as two pundits to talk with cgi effects in studio in place x.
I understood the proposal to be to move the whole pre-race team to London apart from commentary and Ted and Lee. That makes little sense. What does make sense is keeping everything in the same format (personnel changes notwithstanding) but add in the studio bits either from London* or site.
*more likely to be Salford
This is true, as instead of being dragged out by EJ, Schumacher would realise the consequences if he said no to Ted.
#Tedkravitzfacts
;)
I think there are lots of valid points being made & we should let the BBC know what we think. The BBC Trust site is carrying out a review of the Television and Red Button service and are asking for people's comments.
that would work, but i say ej/dc/jake would be fine in london and save money.
Does it? Isn't it all CGI? You don't need someone standing in the CGI.
We need both. Giving up people on the ground for a studio is not an option
I was thinking that but thought it was only 5Live
Right I actually factually have to go now. Bad Mr C! Tsk! With all your F1 of the future talk :)
Can I just say that I want everything and all of it :)
Just as a parting rejoinder I like that Mr C is simultaniously annoyed at the BBC for riding roughshod over the competition by having lots of money, and also for not completely destroying the competition by doing something really funky and amazing that none of the competition can afford :)
The entire grabbing people off the street things makes me uncomfortable just like the grid walk does, so I'm never gonna win that argument.
really think about it and watch jake this weekend. watch him carefully and ask yourself: "does he really need to be there"?
I think the whole of BBC Sport is eventually moving.
sky can...
he dosent NEED to , but i like that he is
agreed.
Ahh right, cheers.
If they arent at the track i dont see why the buildup would be worth watching, you could explain things to f1 newcomers, but you would feel so distant to the event...
DC has a Red Bull job as well as a BBC one so he would be at the track anyway
Rot...
Sorry but rot!!...
It's Jake's take on this that has been a breath of fresh air and he'd have no credibility in a studio would he?...
He holds the programme together and it would be sterile from a studio....
Agreed.
When I first heard it was a studio based thingy, I thought 25 min build up max.
At least we'd be able to hear what he has to say.
secconded
it has, i agree. but i think he'd be great in a studio.
imagine him running into the audience for questions, or taking live calls, tweets and emails.
But it would be useless because he wouldn't have anything to say.
On a different note, just tried to access the comments on my mobile and got "Fatal error: Call to undefined function getcopyrighthtmlmessage() in /nfs/c01/h13/mnt/36301/domains/sidepodcast.com/html/realtime/mobile/index.php on line 6" Is it my phone or is there a problem?
Whats a studio based thing? what have i missed?
he does that... well not the running, but the e-mals
oops. i fix. soz.
Eurgh!!!
Suddenly he has no thoughts at all? Why is a studio soooo far removed anyway? if we have learnt anything from Sidepodcast it is that it's a very small world and communication is easy.
I would ask Mr C again which bits of the coverage he will remember when looking back...
Mr. Steven Roy,
I expect you spotted this story on the BBC site, but do you think it looks like space debris?
Do you think the edges are too sharp? I would have thought the heat of re-entry might have burned a larger piece of debris down to that size, but surely with the edges rounded off? I would be interested to know your opinion.
Studio shows were great when they were the only option, but i think it would be a shame to lose it.
I completly agree about using CGI and graphical overlays, but i would like to see them compliment the coverage at the track rather than replace it
i don't watch the bbc pre-show, i don't like it. so... not that.
Right but what I like is that we can comment on what's happening. If we are looking at other people who are now no longer commenting on what's happening. Where are we?
Sooo my dinner.... I made amazing mustardy mashed potato! I ate too much though. Now I feel ready to pop.
The main bits of coverage that stick in my mind are thus...
a) Jenson's win with JA
b) LewHam last corner last year
c) Massa crash this year...i remember this before of how awefully it was handled
RTL used to do their show with a studio audience. They may still do it that way. I wonder if Kathi or Gavin have an opinion on how that worked
i would guess, hd onboard shots have been revolutionary. that's impressed me. thermo cam and car overlays.
I don't know what that means.
I thought the reason you disapprove of the GMM business model is that they're not sending their reporters to find out what's gone on for themselves before commenting on it.
people comment on the forum and that's old men sitting on deck chairs.
people will comment on anything. fact.
3 words...
Orange Drill Blinds
;)
That is a good comment me
Anyway, would love to stay and go round in circles, but I've got a digest to record. See you peeps later.
:D
Its addictive!
ahh, i'm full of em today ;)
Sorry... I mean that if they interview Ross Brawn then we get to see that and we all comment and I like hearing the interview and commenting. But I worry that if we are spending time watching people on screen reacting to the Ross Brawn interview we are using up time they could be interviewing Martin Whitmarsh or whoever. Currently we get the commentary here and the interviews there. If the show focusses too much on the commentary I worry we won't have enough source material to discuss.
I've watched studio based motorsport before (yes, it is speedway, but that is not the point). It just seems that they can analyse what is going on for sure, but don't seem to know what is going on down trackside. And there is only one pit lane reporter (Charlie Webster btw from GP2) and two commentators. Which is not all that different from what you propose from F1. It gets confusing I'll admit when they are in the studio.
you can't leave?
i have stuff to do too. who started this?
He'd have thoughts on the happenings of the week and what he's seen on TV in front of him just like the rest of us.
He wouldn't have thoughts on the people he'd met and talked to through the weekend, he wouldn't bring us the odd little snippet of local culture. "I was walking through town, and..." These are things he's done so much better than Ryder or Rosenthal ever did, and I have to say I'd be more inclined to switch to a studio if either of those were still heading the coverage.
So I guess you aren't representative of the millions who do tune in?...
But I can't see a studio improving that as they wouldn't have incidents to model would they?....
OK... so what about the post race red button stuff then?...
Blame EJ, he starts everything
You?
:D
Toro Rosso are on twitter!
http://twitter.com/ToroRossoSpy
I hadn't seen it. That looks like a pretty solid lump of metal so it is unlikely anyone launched it into space. I have never seen a meteorite with such straight edges. It looks like it has been cut or sliced.
I would be very surprised if that is anything other than man made.
that doesn't make me wrong though?
certainly they would. it's not that hard... when you have a studio.
don't like it, don't enjoy it.
rats.
going round in circles is underrated!
In fact my favourite sport is based on going round in circles! apart from this one time the other week when they....anyway It has been an interesting debate!
:P
sure dosent..
if they were to put it in a studio etc, would you watch it?
most likely. they'd have to fire ej too though.
This is my question... I think the studio thing is a red herring. If they had walls but it was the same content I don't think it would help.
I've seen tons of studio-based racing coverage. When they lose the link it is just plain embarrassing.
What would make it different?
i'm not sure what to make of ej to be honest, i go through phases of not minding him and then really not
Ooooh yeah. I've seen that a few times in my professional sport watching career.
How far off the pace are the new teams going to be next year?
It may just make you unrepresentative...
Sorry but if the incidents haven't happened to model it's impossible...
How many did you watch?.... because they have certainly got better over the season...
Martin Whitmarsh not wanting to drop himself in it... again...
Eddie and DC after Kimi's post race winning interview...
Seb Vettel being very articulate...
Mike Gascoyne mentioned today that it'll be a miracle if Lotus get 2 cars to bahrain, which makes me think 'Oh god'
it wouldn't be the same content?
clearly i'm not explaining this very well. and seeing as i can't demo it, i'll concede and do something productive.
arsing around in a noisy pitlane is not the height of modern television coverage.
Miles!
1 team is going to be just a bit faster than super aguri,
1 is going to be back but very close
1 is going to be inbetween them
Even if man-made I do not think it came from space.
Thanks for the reply.
hogwash
Sorry the red herring thing wasn't aimed at you. I meant to people who think it's walls you are talking about,
But weren't you complaining about the cost before? I just don't understand what you want from it.
for me it dosent have to be,
tis ok. i'm selling this idea to the wrong audience.
He is just lowering expectations so that whatever they do is reported positively
They can. Make CGI cars and tracks and you can put them anywhere.
blog post?
i object to the cost when i've contributed.
sky can't spend what they like. it's a separate argument.
It certainly doesn't look to me like it has been heated to several thousand degrees. Too straight.
No problem
You would be contributing to sky by paying a subscription. This was the only part of the argument I really felt strongly about. And as an F1 fan you would almost certainly pay more for your coverage £35 a month for sky than you would for the BBC.
Someone has to pay. You want the content. Why shouldn't it be you?
I don't watch Gardeners World or Walking with Dinosaurs or whatever. I understand why people make them though.
damn typos.
So I think we need to see this Sidepodcast footage in action.
How much do we need to raise on the Sidepodcast Totalizer to pay for it?
me.. can you give us an example of where modern TV coverage of sport or an event is better?....
I hadn't even noticed.... It's funny how your head can interpret sentences like that.
Interesting that the only person TorroRosoSpy is following is RedBullSpy
bt vision would be one place, but even they are a little behind.
janna, mobly doohickey should be sorted now. sorry about that.
i am being shut down.
What do they cover?...
Breaking News from Finnish F1 broadcaster: Kimi will not go to Nascar!!!
Aren't you all glad they cleared that up for you?
I'm wholly convinced the sum of various subscriptions packages would be greater than the licence fee was originally. Plus you don't watch tv. Only F1 live. Why does it matter how they spend the F1 related portion of that? Waaaaay more of it is "wasted" on making other programmes you're not interested in.
oooh.
Can I shamelessly plug my 3rd naughty post, the 2008 season penalties thread
Phew!!!
In what way? I have BT Vision. I like the on-demand aspect but don't understand how it could add to the live F1 coverage.
Why didn't I think of that? It is so obvious. :D
Yes, I believe that you can.
Good to see you plugging
I do feel rather naughty myself now :D
It was mainly because of your comment Steven
Hello Steeeeeeeven
Anyone watch the UKTV G2 coverage of the World Cup. That was in a studio. And also very different if I remember right, felt more like Something For the Weekend with a studio audience. Ummm, no need to go that far BBC.
It's for the best :)
They did? We used to watch ORF and only have satellite TV (and with that RTL) for a few years. RTL sometimes have special shows with a studio audience.
Does that mean I should keep bugging you to plug?
Hello. I have been here for hours though
Argh, no
Studio audience programmes frustrate me beyond belief. I find them intolerable.
Meh. I was looking for an excuse to say Steeeeeeven really :P
Back when we had Sky analogue we used to be able o get a whole load of continental channel and I am sure RTL had a studio based show
Thank you, have tested and all is fine. Sorry it took a few mins, I have to wander around my flat to get a signal :)
Agreed. The questions are inane and the questioners waffle on too long, so do the respondees.
Whatever floats your boat
Just coming!
Who mentioned Michel?
I am surprised you are commenting just now and not glued to the TV
It's on now??? :( :(
You have missed half an hour. There are two episodes though so I am sure you will cope
My computer has decided all on its own to stop playing any sound. I am very confused
I haven't watched any this week. I have them on iplayer ready for watching. I've been too busy.
Mine did that earlier, then I plugged the speakers back in ;)
Such a huge relief...
Impressive that they got the inside track on that....
Hold on for a mo whilst a stop laughing...
Can I unplug my plug .. apparently I made a mistake or 42 .. sorry
Rubens thinks Massa's out of touch...
Hmmm...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79460
Alonso is cool....
(Arctic I imagine)....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79461
Oh dear!
Ctrl Alt Del!!!
:lol:
Might interest those into sim racing... Stephane Sarrazin talking about Forza 3 :)
It's out next week! One of the first things I'll be doing on it is making the Sidepodcar Mk II :)
Indeed. I was a bit annoyed when that happened as we'd made progress. For another time, perhaps.
I ddnt realise he was an f1 driver!
I feel like I've back a few years :P
I had to reboot. It eas playing sound one second then just stopped
This gives you an opportunity to plug ain when it is sorted
I'm not sure that we were, but as you say, there is plenty of time for more later.
Looks like Rubens is trying to be the peacemaker but it is probably in Felipe's interest to have a war
Hope the reboot sorted everything out. I just forgot to plug mine back in earlier and then had a panic :)
Selfish thoughts really because BT Vision was mentioned and that's one of the few things I actually have, so I was curious :-)
Hehehe. Keep it in mind. Mr C will be back, I have no doubt. (Can't keep him away!)
Just before it shut down the sound came back. So I got a closed down sound and on re-start all is well
You need to show him your latest baby panda videos
Does he still have a dodgy battery?
You could steal the power cord :P
Speaking of which, shoutout for @BTCare on Twitter. I've mentioned them before. It is a bit creepy, but they spotted my mention of them on Tuesday and asked if they could help, so they are currently investigating a charge on my account.
Hmmm...
*ponders where to tweet that rubens needs to come and visit me after the season*
That might halt his productivity on other stuff somewhat though :)
@rubarrichello?
:-)
He will definitely pick it up over the world of twitter and decide to get involved and make it happen ;)
Just remembered something... I was catching up on comments over lunch and I also have the Atlas of race tracks...
&Frank&Patshouseoffun?
Good night everyone
Night Kathi
Night thanks for the help!
Night Kathi
Oh no. I've run out of Masterchef.... What am I supposed to do now?
iplayer
Preferably something non-active. I'm VERY sleepy
Watch what?
Urm...
...sleep?
Enter for the next series.
Now that is a plan
Michel
That's what I was saying. I've exhausted their Michel supplies.
There must be more Michel on youtube
Evening folks
Book half day at work: check
Find suit & buy: check
Find cufflinks & buy: check
Buy Athens guide book & holiday reading: check
What a productive evening!
Evening, sounds like you've had a good day. When are you off to Athens?
Flying out next weekend but connect straight away for Zakynthos (Cousin's wedding). Weekend in Athens for the final race at the end of the month
Sounds like fun, hope you're not driving in Athens, it looked a nightmare from the safety of the coach when I was there. What's your holiday reading?
Bought Brundle's "Working The Wheel"
Wanted a JYS bio too but there was more than one, was going to ask the comments on the best
Also have a backlog of Patricia Cornwell if needed
Is that the one about the different tracks?
And no driving in Athens
Maybe a scooter around the island but no more
Wise decision!
Yup
This picture blows my mind a little bit. All it needs is the Michelin man in there and it has all my favourite people.
http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/diapo-021s-jpg
i've got it, but i cant remember if i've read it or not, i think it's one of the ones i've dipped in and out of
I've ridden bikes in Hanoi & Saigon though
A thousand mopeds do a lot less damage than hundreds of cars, mind
That's not Franck is it?
What about Franck?
Who is the guy on the right? Di Grassi?
And I hope that's Mr C fuzzy in the background....
Mrs C in Franck Snub Shocker!
#confidential
#notforchristineseyes
whos the non-rob guy?
I am mad at Franck as he has disappeared.
Di Grassi
So that's the latest 'squeeze' is it?
I'm sure there's money involved in that decision, or a lack of it
Good book.
Can't remember what it is called but the last JYS book was really good. It has a white cover.
But he's not a Geordie nor French?
Cheers :)
I googled to find out what he looked like and it came up with this http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/06/28/there-are-cars-out-there-too/ :D
For ages. There's no latest about it.
*is not here* you can't not like Di Grassi :)
Thanks Steven, will look at the airport.
Amazon & eBay are no good. Have had about two letters in as many weeks
You've lost me.
I don’t really have much to say about this guy, other than he is completely delicious.
Rrrrrrrrubish.
I am shocked
Is that similar to can't not liking Megan Fox? ;)
Cue star wars imperial march Music:
Dun Dun dun de dun.... http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/1320350
Fact.
It is very hard to keep up a blog about a man who races twice a year and disappears the rest of the time.
I agree. I wasn't aware what he looked like until just now ;)
Like Rob or Franck/Bourdais
Easy now....
i don't know who megan fox is...
Rob's from Boro though.
i dont know who she is either, and googled her, and still dont care
Ah, apologies
Ignorant Southerner that I am
Transformers?
She isnt that amazing, i dont think she is my type...
Ok, Olivia Munn
I wonder what he's up to...
never seen it
as in the film? never seen it.
ggaaaaah! i must go and do work! I HATE ALEVELS
bye all x
Now that you spurned Avril, who is it now then?
He's still from the north east so he is of course a legend.
Read that as Elves :D
Caffeine should kick in soon
Bye lou, off to bed for me, 'night all
They do suck fact, but they are worth it (im told), have you UCAS'd yet?
see ya
Bye lou and Janna
Night Janna
See ya Lou & Janna
She is no
AvrilClémence PoésyRachel McDowallUCAS SUCKS!
ALEVELS SUCK!
I just wanna take photos :( blah!
i am going.... i need a christine to stop me coming online...
x
Who keeps stealing time?
I got the wrong one, apparently her name is Amanda Seyfried
The girl from mamma mia
IKEA update: I went. I loved it. I am torn.
[Checks IMDB]
From The Bill & Mama Mia?
We need to have words
seeyas!
Shooooo.
Night!
Wrong one!
i'll make a deal with you ok.
if you do your alevels, and do your best (not your teachers best, or your parents best, whats best for you), i'll let you spend 3 months taking photos!
Anyone seen this for Abu Dhabi. The first laps round it
SAw that but still Mamma Mia!
Though she is in Jennifer's Body which I want to see
Too wholesome looking for me
and if theres a sidepodmeetup in the summer, i'll even buy you an ice cream (im that nice)
It was mentioned in the second comment :P but still cool to watch again.
WE discussed it last night
Me, Maverick & Mr C are very duboius
Nick loves it
Check the first post of this thread ;)
or the first coment of this post.
*Internets confuddle me with their terms*
I like it. Doesn't seem to be kaspillions of run off area, not to keen on the twisty section though.
Joe has been on a blogging frenzy! 5 posts in 2 hours!
So it's already kicking off between Massa and Alonso? Next year should be fun.
Hehe.
I like it bar turn 6 where I think they made a mistake should have had them go flat out into the sharp corner (turn 9/10?)
Alonso won't be fussed until Massa outperforms him
Oh and rubens weighed in with a massa hasnt been here for a couple of months, he's mistaken haha
Evening all.
Just found a video of Bruno Senna doing the first lap at Yas Marina.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikvjwBEYk50
:D I love driver arguments
Hey Rowley
So, hmmm. Second race?
into turn 7 rather.
People are going to play everything as being bigger than it actually is because of what happened in 2007. Ferrari will manage the pair of them and it will be equal just as it has between Kimi and Massa.
Doubt it, personally
But it'll be fun to watch
Yep, agree with you there.
Hey rowley.
Interesting to see it, there are good bits and bad bits. I like that Tilke's usual extremely long straight has undulations. I don't like some of the Mickey Mouse bits round the back.
Massa is the favourite son though and Kimi knew it
I'm not worried about Ferrari - more the drivers. The whole "best friends" thing didn't last long. Bring it on!
Alonso doesn't like being equal and he doesn't like team mates ever being faster than him
Kimi isn't bothered though, never has been. He drives his car he isn't fazed but what goes on the other side of the garage.
There is at least 5 months until next year, plenty of time for them to clear the air and focus on 2010.
Who does?
New MFC podcast if anyone is bored for ten minutes: http://mediafuturechange.com/2009/10/15/everybody-is-watching-sport-on-the-internet/
Clear the air? AHAHAHA! Ahem. Well, could be I guess.
Alonso has actually told someone that has he? anything involving Alonso the arguments always the same, so i'm not going down the same path again.
It's not in Massa's interest to clear the air. A war between them will help him.
oooooo.
Leo makes 1.5 mil? Wow.
Thanks Christine
He reacts particularly badly too it though and I assume Massa is just starting to niggle him
Massa belongs in the hospital. I doubt it.
He complained he was not getting number one treatment at McLaren for months
Isn't it a bit early to start doing that?
Or is it never too early.
I wonder how Massa will go actually. Should be very interesting. There were times he seemed to be under preasure from Hamilton.
He's a whinger, albeit a fast one
I get a not found for the new podcast
Retaliate first
I'm looking forward to a bit of a war. We've hardly had that this season. Boo.
Over a rookie? any reigning double world champion would have done the same.
He'd have had it if Lewis wasn't Ron's boy....
Yeah me too.
And if Lewis wasn't equal/better
Not if they don't sign a contract with number one status
Lewis held his own against him and Alonso should've known how McLaren would treat him
They reared Leiws
I think if it blows up with massa at ferrari it will be him that leaves and not massa.
Both Kimi and Alonso have delivered championships, massa hasn't...
I just think getting beaten by a rookie must be purely humiliating though. Particularly as reigning double world champion. You've beaten Kimi, you've beaten Shumi, you must think you're the business. For a rookie to come in and beat you must be the worst feeling ever.
Hello All
Personally I think Fernando is one or two classes better than Massa.
I've never seen Massa do better races than the car should be able to. Nando has done that numerous times in the Reanult.
We have no idea what was in the contract nor do we know Alonso's side of the story only Ron's.
He didn't know Lewis was his team mate when he signed for them back then he was the guy McLaren wanted for the future.
Totally agree
Hi ya Joe
He has only been in a Sauber and a Ferrari, and to be fair, honest here, Sauber weren't exactly Renault.
I really didn't want to kick this argument off again but:
Alonso was all smiles with Lewis as a team mate until Lewis showed he was a challenge. From then, things went down hill.
Yes so? Same with Jenson and Rubens?
Alphonso's gonna show you..... He's the business!
So nothin'. I'm just saying.....
I'm really looking forward to the new Ferrari line up, and I like it that there's already a bit of niggle.
I'm sorry but there is no way what happened in 2007 is anything like Jenson and Rubens, that is absolutely ridiculous.
If the car's to his liking I think he'll outshine Massa without trying
I thought you liked that german guy with overtaking problems? :P
Alonso joins McLaren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52nFM4fkX24
I have to be monogamous?
But Ferrari hasn't had a good car this year, and in that bad car Massa wasn't able to show if he really is one of the best drivers in F1.
Also I have no idea who you're talking about!! The guy I support is an awesome driver!!!
Norbert Haug?
True that. Spose when the car started to come good Monaco time he showed that when it did.
I don't think he is
Top 5 if he's really on form on the day, without Rob he's nothing
:D
You could say the same about Alonso and Hamilton. Lewis got inside Alonso's head and Alonso blew a fuse and effectively did something that was against the terms of his contract. If he does the same at Ferrari and the Italian press get on his case his stay in Maranello could be short.
I didn't know you were a Timo fan.
No, no, i guess not, so hard to find a girl that is these days ;)
He has never beaten a highly ranked driver in the same car though. It's fine beating Schumacher when you are in a different team but he has not beaten a decent driver in the same team with the same equipment
Hi Joe
Oh Nick, you didn't really type that did you?
Naughty step........
Heehee my money's on an all out death match. Some sort of mud wrestling may be involved. I think this might have trashed their relationship though.
NICK!!!
It just makes it all the more special when you do....
Sorry, having a bad week...
There's a space next to me Nick.
And? That's just the way his career has taken him.
We know there was no number one status from the comments coming from Alonso during the season
If he had beaten Lewis as he should have done with his experience he would still be the McLaren guy and we would all be asking Lewis who?
That may be a bit unfair. I thought on-track he competed well with Hamilton. It's just the "other" things that detracted. You have to remember he was in a new (different) car in 2007 as well.
Alonso belongs at Ferrari. He has that attitude.
You all think my German boy is off there though. That'd be bad times :( They'll twist his innocent little mind.
Weirdly I don't think he's off there. I think Mercedes want him bad.
Now i'm confused. Which German is this?
This idea I liiiiike.
Vettel.
Ralf
Its not Glock
....and what are you doing awake at this hour?
Hey Alex, I saw an article on Novel Writing and thought of you
http://www.tuaw.com/2009/10/15/5-ways-for-mac-users-to-get-ready-for-nanowrimo/
LOL :D
Eurgh Ralf?
The first two race he along with Kimi had the Bridgestone tyres to become familar with after using Michelin the previous years. After Monaco where Lewis was frustrated at coming second behind Alonso was when tensions rose and then the events at Hungary where Lewis went against the orders of the team leading to Alonso holding him up in the pits made things worse. After that spygate kicked off because Alonso did the right thing and passed emails over. Come China Ron claims that they weren't against Kimi but Alonso, slip up or not it was clear where Ron's head was at the moment in time. Over the last three/four races did Alonso complain about treatment and considering dodgy tyre pressures in China you can't blame him.
I have a picture of him on my wall ;)
(scarily, i actually do)
Why...........
I'm scared for you Jon. Really am.
And on the note that I was just about to offer you help, it is cruelly snatched away from you as I have to go to bed. See yas beyond the blue honda.
Actually, he threatened Ron with the info and Ron went to the FIA
Not the same
He didn't beat Hamilton and Hamilton was a rookie. Had Hamilton not made rookie mistakes and had problems in the last two races he would have beaten Alonso by 25-30 points. How would Alonso be rated then? Beaten by 2 to 3 race wins by a rookie?
Max tells it differently if I remember.
Oooops! True. Bed time for me. Night folks!
How do you know this? Is it possible he told Ron he had the info and they decided it'd look better if Ron declared it?
G'night RG
Could be
He would
The best rookie in history....
# Jon Waldock
For your feeder series podcast you should have a look at the German F3 championship. Hulkenberg and Ho Pin Tung are former champs.
Current champ is Laurens Vanthoor. Big Talent. One to watch.
Night my Vettel loving friend.
Thanks I'll take a look :)
And we only have Ron's side of the story, people forget Alonso has said nothing on the even because McLaren paid him not to.
Night Alex
Ifs and buts Steven. I rate both drivers very highly. Its a real shame we didn't see them in the same car for the second year.
I think next year will be very interesting for the 4 drivers involved (if Kimi is at Mclaren). It will chow a lot about the mental toughness of them all.
Team first and all. Could be seen to be an attribute.
I hope we get to see that
Battle Royale!
That film is creepy.
Is on my list but I know what you mean
Jon's gone quiet since that confession...
He's sitting looking at his wall.
I liked it but I can't make myself pay attention to subtitled films. My bf nearly had to tape my mouth up. Because I don't have to listen to understand, I blabber the whole way through them.....
oh what, sorry. :D
am doing some work :)
I am sirry but most of that is rubbish. Lewis had a whole car and all the tracks to become familiar with as well as the tyres. He had never done a race as long as an F1 race before etc etc etc. The idea that Alonso was somehow disafvantaged by only having to deal with a new team, car and tyres is plain wrong. Lewis had a lot more unknowns. Alonso had an advantage early in the season and didn't make the most of it.
If it was the right thing to hand over e-mails why didn't he do it immediately? He only did it because he didn't think Ron would call his bluff. Alonso may have ahanded over e-mails but it was Ron who called the FIA to say they existed.
Alonso's complaints about treatment started way earlier than that. Not long after Monaco he was comlaining that he was not getting number one treatment and he kept saying that till Lewis had a reasonable lead in the championship then he decided it would be better if the two had equal treatment.
Ifthe team wanted to stop him racing Lewis it would have been easy for them to do it but the only points ever made are one set of tyres with the wrong pressure and one comment in the heat of the moment. Drivers complain about tyre pressures all the time or about one set of tyres that don't perform like they expected but this one set of tyres has been hyped like it was the only occasion in F1 history where tyure pressures were wrong
it was free, and it's not *of him* its off him inside his car. It's A1 size and covers some of my prison cell like walls
Lol very funny - I'll have to use that and watch as the bemusement on my mates faces spreads.
Quite. He and all the other drivers know that Fernando is easily riled, so it's just psychological warfare, imo, just like what Lewis, maybe unwittingly ?, did to him in 07 at McLaren
Ah, just happened to be free. I getcha. :P
I don't like paying for posters, free ones are better :D
Autosport will help me add to my collection again ;)
Lewis got inside Alonso's head and Alonso blew a fuse. McLaren had a choice between giving Alonso number one status and backing him or firing him and backing Lewis. They had all the data and they did not choose Alonso
Maybe more to do with interpersonal relationships than talent though? Or money? Or they flipped a coin? You can never know. I love Lewis. I just don't get that he's miles better than Alphonso.
I agree with that bit
Mclaren have a track record of not backing a number 1. I don't think Alonso had any intention of staying in a team which did anything other than have him #1.
I don't think he's miles better, on the day one may be faster than the other but it changes
That was Lewis as a rookie. Do you think he hasn't improved significantly as a result of having three years experience and a world championship under his belt.
What if I think Alonso has improved as well? I think his experience knocked him down a peg or two. I don't see how anyone can do anything but develop as a result of that.
That's one of the reasons I watch F1. To see great drivers do battle and not know who will be the winner before the race starts. So I was also happy to see the German retire. Haha.
I'm not sure he's faster, but he may not drive in to gravel traps at the pits any more. Then again, Alonso is older and wiser too.
Ralf?
That's him. He now battles with some girl in DTM.....
He has definitely improved but not to the same extent. of improving in his first three years which were before he was up against Hamilton
Sure, he has retired to the DTM.
This is the last I'm saying on Alonso/Hamilton, the McLaren is a totally different car to the Renault so knowing a circuit means very little considering the car will handle differently. Lewis had plenty of time to use simulators to get to grips with tracks whilst different to the real thing he had some idea of what was coming.
We have only Ron's word about events between him and Alonso, Max said something relating to it that went against Ron's version.
It was rumoured at the time that Anthony Hamilton made a lot of noise about Lewis finishing second at Monaco because the team wanted to ensure a 1-2 finish rather than risk it.
What has been forgotten is Ron's interview after China where he said they were racing Alonso not Kimi. To say he didn't want Lewis to win the championship over Alonso is a understatment.
Salut people...
And happy birthday Jon!
Hi Guille
Yeeeeeey!!! I'm 19 in paris
Kept that one quiet?
:D (ouch, time zones...)
ready for your post-birthday weekend? ;-)
Cake?
:D
yeah ta :)
Not really, in England it's not for another half an hour ;)
i have humbugs?
psshhhh
# Jon
Congrats from the Netherlands. Here it's friday as well.
PS: Did you see my post for you about your podcast?
I think I have some biscuits here. I shall eat on for you.
i did thanks! :)
Alonso had the same training. I am arguing that the fact the tyres were new to Alonso does not mean he was at some kind of disadvantage when everything was new to Hamilton
When you start using Max as a good source you are in trouble.
What Anthony Hamilton said or did is irrelevant
I have not forgotten that I have been arguing about it ever since including on here a few days ago. F1 people say we all the time. They are programmed to say it. Ron was asked about Lewis's strategy and answered from Lewis's point of view. Lewis was racing against Fernando because Kimi was so far back. You cannot take one sentence from a season and say that proves anything.
Hi Guille
# Steven
Question for you: Dany Bahar. Why would he be Persona non Grata with Peter Sauber and BMW?
In the German press it is said that he was the reason why Lotus didn't buy BMW.
It was a good story, but the little boy did not fly away in a home made balloon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8309818.stm
Interesting. Danny Bahar was number two at Red Bull so I assume Sauber believes he was somehow responsible for Red Bull sponsorship leaving Sauber and maybe for Red Bull setting up their own team. I don't know of any history between them though.
i've always said that about the man. hey all.
hehe. morning.
oops. evening.
ooh you've rebooted. hello again
How was the re-boot?
alot of people (including myself) always forget that F1 is a team sport, it's just that often there becomes an I in team
hey mr. c
BMW and Peter Sauber wouldn't sell the team to Lotus because of the "people involved" This is a quote from the interview.
Bahar must have stepped on some important toes I guess.
done me chores. am free for 10 mins, what did i miss?
A boy blew away in a balloon, the media got worried, then everyone found out hours later he was in an attic.
...althoguh, in this actual comments, no idea. I was too busy watching balloon boy.
Clever boy!
blimey. all go then.
if your free for 11 you can wish me happy birthday ;)
me too. I prefered it when he was sailing away in the balloon. Isn't that every boy's wish?
Less clever boy!
Colander on head?
certainly can.
He did manage to hide in a box though!
Tim Tams?
and ray-gun in hand
no :-( Anzac
RT @alanvdm: First laps of Interlagos today - great track! I'm hoping it'll produce the usual exciting race we seem to get here. Meteo boys predict rain.
Not too bad, cant drink though them though ;)
Oh man. I forgot. I'll be back to missing races.... BOOOO!
why?
Stupid job of death.
on sunday?
I predict you will come down with a 24 hour bug on sunday ;)
On more or less everyday at the moment.
:D I can't afford it.
:-(
can't you leave for two-three hours?
Really no. I had a sneaky sleep under my desk yesterday :P
one.two.three.
Happy birthday to Jon........
Morning/evening, it all blends into one
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeey :)
Happy Birthday. Is it your 18th?
wow. well, I hope it gets better... ;-)
(I now the feeling...)
19th.
Have a great day anyway :D
Jon, As we say in the Netherlands:
Gefeliciteerd met je verjaardag!
I was just about to say that
;-)
You just made that up didnt you ;)
Babelfish it!!