We have reached Sunday and it is Doctor Who day! Eh-hem. Please excuse any Doctor Who excitement in the daily thread today, but we have been waiting a long time for this! Of course, there are plenty of F1 things to talk about. Well, I say plenty, there are a couple of things.

  • Notus have confirmed that running a Malaysian driver is not crucial to their plans to hit the grid, and that is lucky, as there are only a couple of viable options. They are hoping for that in the future though, and looking at it as more of a long-term project rather than something they need for their first year in the sport.
  • In linkage news, Jackie came up with a great weekend idea to highlight some of the great posts and give you something to read over a weekend. Round up posts are always very interesting, especially when there is editorial in there as well.
  • Yesterday, we watched Cars and live commented our way through the film - it was brilliant fun, and thanks to everyone who was around to enjoy it with us. If you missed out this time, stay tuned for the next movie - we're taking suggestions over on the wiki. Whichever one we pick will have to go some way to beat Cars, though, it had rarely working traffic lights and everything!

That'll do it for now. Don't forget there's no live show tonight, but we are working on the podcast about our experience at the Mercedes-Benz event, and that should be with you at some point soon. I will see you in the comments.

895 responses

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 00:02

    PING

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:03

    PING

    you can beat the pinger in your sleep?

  • Dank15/11/2009 at 00:04

    Notus have confirmed...

    Oopsie!

  • Pinger15/11/2009 at 00:05

    you can beat the pinger in your sleep?

    sorry boss, issues down here at ping hq

  • Maverick15/11/2009 at 00:05

    Oh hello, it's Sunday

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 00:07

    YES!! You got traffic lights in!!!!

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:07

    Notus have confirmed...

    Oopsie!

    They are called Notus here because they are not Lotus so Notus

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 00:07

    you can beat the pinger in your sleep?

    special powers

    grrrr, why is pat always right

  • Dank15/11/2009 at 00:07

    They are called Notus here because they are not Lotus so Notus

    Meh...

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:07

    grrrr, why is pat always right

    I rock

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 00:08

    I rock

    GRRRRRR

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:08

    YES!! You got traffic lights in!!!!

    :)

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 00:08

    YES!! You got traffic lights in!!!!

    woo!

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:09

    sorry boss, issues down here at ping hq

    overtime next week to make up for it.

  • Pinger15/11/2009 at 00:10

    overtime next week to make up for it.

    i'd like to point out to you how you overworked me mid week when you were moving all those old posts! i was working flat out!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 00:12

    I have an urge to watch The Incredibles now after Cars you know.

    But I don't trust the box...

  • lou15/11/2009 at 00:13

    How was sidepodfilmclub? Did it go well?

  • littlepurplegoth15/11/2009 at 00:14

    I have an urge to watch The Incredibles now after Cars you know.

    Watch it!! Box be darned!!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 00:15

    How was sidepodfilmclub? Did it go well?

    It was great! It initially started with a very worrying moment for myself, then we saw a traffic light break and unbreak, and some fun cameos, and cow tractors falling over, and everything.

    Cars is awesome :)

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:15

    I have an urge to watch The Incredibles now after Cars you know.

    Oh you must. It's excellent.

    But I don't trust the box...

    It was probably designed by Syndrome.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 00:15

    How was sidepodfilmclub? Did it go well?

    Well for a start, check Lukeh's qik page!

  • Alianora La Canta15/11/2009 at 00:15

    We have reached Sunday and it is Doctor Who day! {Original entry}

    Indeed so! And almost as exciting for me is that it is also lasagne day (i.e. I will try to make some without blowing up the house - especially since said house belongs to the friend who has determined to teach me some basic life skills...)

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 00:15

    Cars is awesome :)

    agreed!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 00:16

    Well for a start, check Lukeh's qik page!

    http://qik.com/video/3551385

    Traumatic times were had.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:16

    It was great! It initially started with a very worrying moment for myself, then we saw a traffic light break and unbreak, and some fun cameos, and cow tractors falling over, and everything.

    cow tractors??

  • littlepurplegoth15/11/2009 at 00:16

    cow tractors??

    And the combine bull

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 00:16

    cow tractors??

    yep and small bugs that were actual beatle cars!

  • littlepurplegoth15/11/2009 at 00:18

    It looks like a top/bottom slide having pinged the flap..

    I'd offer to lend you a child but they are all asleep now.

  • Maverick15/11/2009 at 00:18

    Good night, need sleep in case Dr Who gives me nightmares ;-)

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 00:18

    Traumatic times were had.

    "The incredibles? it should be called the rubbish box"

    classic

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 00:19

    Bless ya and your happiness

  • lou15/11/2009 at 00:19

    It was great! It initially started with a very worrying moment for myself, then we saw a traffic light break and unbreak, and some fun cameos, and cow tractors falling over, and everything.

    ookayyy.... Something tells me I need to watch the film to understand...

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 00:19

    ookayyy.... Something tells me I need to watch the film to understand...

    you really really really do

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:20

    Morning, folks.

    Will rush off to watch the boxing soon, but before I do, does someone have access to Brundle's Sunday column? Did he say something like this?

    This week it'll be announced that Mercedes has sold its shareholding in McLaren and will be taking a majority stake in Brawn.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 00:20

    ookayyy.... Something tells me I need to watch the film to understand...

    you really really really do

    and read the comments while you do it!

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:20

    It was great! It initially started with a very worrying moment for myself, then we saw a traffic light break and unbreak, and some fun cameos, and cow tractors falling over, and everything.

    Tractors falling over? MOO. :D

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 00:20

    ookayyy.... Something tells me I need to watch the film to understand...

    The link I just posted explains my problem.

    The rest... yeah you'll need to see the film :P

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:20

    cow tractors??

    Every sentient being in the film is a car or vehicle of some description.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:20

    Good night, need sleep in case Dr Who gives me nightmares ;-)

    Bye

  • lou15/11/2009 at 00:21

    Traumatic times were had.

    i can't watch it, am on my iPod lol

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:21

    Traumatic times were had.

    Hah :-)

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 00:21

    Good night, need sleep in case Dr Who gives me nightmares ;-)

    Night!

    Dr Who!!!! I forgot that is today :D

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 00:21

    i can't watch it, am on my iPod lol

    lol indeed

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:22

    This week it'll be announced that Mercedes has sold its shareholding in McLaren and will be taking a majority stake in Brawn.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6917184.ece

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:24

    This week it'll be announced that Mercedes has sold its shareholding in McLaren and will be taking a majority stake in Brawn.

    There is a major twist in this tale. This week it will be announced that Mercedes-Benz has sold its shareholding in McLaren and will be taking a majority stake in Brawn GP. McLaren will continue with Mercedes engines, but Brawn will become the works team, so Button has to get out his crystal ball to work out which team will give him the faster car next year. Will McLaren return to top form? Or has the tide turned, given that Brawn and Red Bull won 14 of the 17 races this year?

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:25

    There is a major twist in this tale. This week it will be announced that Mercedes-Benz has sold its shareholding in McLaren and will be taking a majority stake in Brawn GP. McLaren will continue with Mercedes engines, but Brawn will become the works team, so Button has to get out his crystal ball to work out which team will give him the faster car next year. Will McLaren return to top form? Or has the tide turned, given that Brawn and Red Bull won 14 of the 17 races this year?

    wha????

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:25

    There is a major twist in this tale. This week it will be announced that Mercedes-Benz has sold its shareholding in McLaren and will be taking a majority stake in Brawn GP. McLaren will continue with Mercedes engines, but Brawn will become the works team, so Button has to get out his crystal ball to work out which team will give him the faster car next year. Will McLaren return to top form? Or has the tide turned, given that Brawn and Red Bull won 14 of the 17 races this year?

    Interesting, that. And this too:

    Button is fully entitled to cash in on being world champion but I would be sure that his Brawn financial package tops £10m next year, and not the lower numbers reported.

    Looks like Goddard's been giving us the go-around... If those are indeed the numbers, I would think Button would stay. More so if Mercedes add a sweetener.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:26

    wha????

    You're surprised? Only thing a BIT surprising here is that it'll happen this year rather than next.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:26

    Lou is not going to like Brundle's thoughts on where Button will drive next year

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:28

    Lou is not going to like Brundle's thoughts on where Button will drive next year

    Why not? Brundle thinks he'll end up at Brawn anyhow - and it's the right thing to do, too.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:28

    There is a major twist in this tale. This week it will be announced that Mercedes-Benz has sold its shareholding in McLaren and will be taking a majority stake in Brawn GP. McLaren will continue with Mercedes engines, but Brawn will become the works team, so Button has to get out his crystal ball to work out which team will give him the faster car next year. Will McLaren return to top form? Or has the tide turned, given that Brawn and Red Bull won 14 of the 17 races this year?

    I'm really struggling to believe any of this.

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:28

    Lou is not going to like Brundle's thoughts on where Button will drive next year

    Do you think he's been reading some highly researched and professionally compiled stories? Neither do I.

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:28

    wha????

    actually, that's ok. i'm tired and misread that. i think we were expecting it sooner than this. interesting that martin knows it will happen this week.

  • lou15/11/2009 at 00:29

    Lou is not going to like Brundle's thoughts on where Button will drive next year

    i haven't drunk enough this evening for you to tell me... Please no bad news

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:30

    Why not? Brundle thinks he'll end up at Brawn anyhow - and it's the right thing to do, too.

    He is duggesting that there the negotiations with McLaren were serious rather than just a ploy

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:31

    Do you think he's been reading some highly researched and professionally compiled stories? Neither do I.

    Brundle is not exactly short of high level contacts down Woking way. I am sure that tomorrow or Monday I will have managed to find some highly researched and professionally compiled stories saying what he said.

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:31

    He is duggesting that there the negotiations with McLaren were serious rather than just a ploy

    i agree with everything martin says there. talking a lot of sense.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:32

    He is duggesting that there the negotiations with McLaren were serious rather than just a ploy

    suggesting

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:32

    Brundle is not exactly short of high level contacts down Woking way. I am sure that tomorrow or Monday I will have managed to find some highly researched and professionally compiled stories saying what he said.

    :D

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:32

    i haven't drunk enough this evening for you to tell me... Please no bad news

    It's not bad or remotely definite. Read for yourself

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6917184.ece

  • paul15/11/2009 at 00:32

    He is duggesting that there the negotiations with McLaren were serious rather than just a ploy

    Why wouldn't they be serious. That doesn't mean they are finalised. Button would be silly not to view a Mclare offer very carefully.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:33

    So is Merc stepping down their McLaren involvement, or is McLaren distancing themselves from Merc?

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:34

    So is Merc stepping down their McLaren involvement, or is McLaren distancing themselves from Merc?

    both. mclaren built a rival road car.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:34

    I found this part interesting

    I thought Team Button were simply giving the Brawn negotiators a hurry-up, and that McLaren were managing down the expectations of Kimi Raikkonen, but it runs deeper than that. Button has gone to ground on Brawn, and McLaren have a genuine interest in signing him, although it’s not yet done.

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:34

    both. mclaren built a rival road car.

    And (gasp) put their own engine in it.

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:35

    And (gasp) put their own engine in it.

    badged engine. they don't have the ability to make their own yet.

    but, that must've stung down stuttgart way.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:37

    So is Merc stepping down their McLaren involvement, or is McLaren distancing themselves from Merc?

    Mercedes want out of McLaren because McLaren launched their latest car with their own rather than a Merc engine and Merc see it as a rival for their car which was launched 3 days later. McLaren vetoed Mercedes advertising on the Brawn car this season and vetoed the supply of engines to Red Bull. So if Merc get out of the McLaren deal they can have their name on Brawn and Newey's cars

  • paul15/11/2009 at 00:37

    but, that must've stung down stuttgart way.

    Really? After making the new gullwing? I think Mercedes had pretty much cut those ties a while back.

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:38

    Really? After making the new gullwing? I think Mercedes had pretty much cut those ties a while back.

    mclaren didn't build that car overnight though. there must've been discussions about what would power it a long time ago.

  • paul15/11/2009 at 00:40

    mclaren didn't build that car overnight though. there must've been discussions about what would power it a long time ago.

    seems to me that, after the SLR, Mercedes decided to go back to AMG, and not carry on with Mclaren

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:40

    seems to me that, after the SLR, Mercedes decided to go back to AMG, and not carry on with Mclaren

    agreed. back then though mercedes didn't have a rival f1 team to jump too.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:42

    Mercedes want out of McLaren because McLaren launched their latest car with their own rather than a Merc engine and Merc see it as a rival for their car which was launched 3 days later. McLaren vetoed Mercedes advertising on the Brawn car this season and vetoed the supply of engines to Red Bull. So if Merc get out of the McLaren deal they can have their name on Brawn and Newey's cars

    Why isn't this getting a massive OMG response all over the place? You'd think a partnership as close and long-lasting as that coming apart would be big news in the specialist press. I've seen it reported but it doesn't come across as a major thing...

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:43

    badged engine. they don't have the ability to make their own yet.

    I knew that, but the badge says McLaren, not Mercedes-Benz.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:43

    Brundle is not exactly short of high level contacts down Woking way. I am sure that tomorrow or Monday I will have managed to find some highly researched and professionally compiled stories saying what he said.

    1994 race driver + 1998-2004 DC manager = LOTS of contacts.

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:44

    agreed. back then though mercedes didn't have a rival f1 team to jump too.

    I wonder if McLaren considered badged Honda engines for their road car?

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:45

    Mercedes want out of McLaren because McLaren launched their latest car with their own rather than a Merc engine and Merc see it as a rival for their car which was launched 3 days later. McLaren vetoed Mercedes advertising on the Brawn car this season and vetoed the supply of engines to Red Bull. So if Merc get out of the McLaren deal they can have their name on Brawn and Newey's cars

    Interesting - if the Merc-Brawn deal goes off, will the RBR-Merc deal be back on?

    Why isn't this getting a massive OMG response all over the place? You'd think a partnership as close and long-lasting as that coming apart would be big news in the specialist press. I've seen it reported but it doesn't come across as a major thing...

    I guess the partnership has run its course for many. It makes for a refreshing change after seeing the rumor that Mercedes will buy out McLaren for the last... 4 or 5 offseasons now.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:45

    Why isn't this getting a massive OMG response all over the place? You'd think a partnership as close and long-lasting as that coming apart would be big news in the specialist press. I've seen it reported but it doesn't come across as a major thing...

    I was very surprised when I first saw it. One or two people mentioned it and I said it was bull because I thought the two companies were locked in to each other

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:47

    Interesting - if the Merc-Brawn deal goes off, will the RBR-Merc deal be back on?

    I think there is a good chance if Merc can get out of the McLaren contract that Red Bull will be a Merc customer next season. There has to be a reason why RBR have not named their engine supplier for next season.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:47

    I guess the partnership has run its course for many. It makes for a refreshing change after seeing the rumor that Mercedes will buy out McLaren for the last... 4 or 5 offseasons now.

    I'd heard for a while that they might be frustrated at the ownership arrangement... they own the majority share but the other owners still have majority voting rights.. is that right? But even with that I thought it was solid.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:47

    I think there is a good chance if Merc can get out of the McLaren contract that Red Bull will be a Merc customer next season. There has to be a reason why RBR have not named their engine supplier for next season.

    Very good point.

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:48

    I'd heard for a while that they might be frustrated at the ownership arrangement... they own the majority share but the other owners still have majority voting rights.. is that right? But even with that I thought it was solid.

    agreed.

    and with that. goodnight all.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:48

    Night Mr C

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:48

    I think there is a good chance if Merc can get out of the McLaren contract that Red Bull will be a Merc customer next season. There has to be a reason why RBR have not named their engine supplier for next season.

    also agreed.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:48

    and with that. goodnight all.

    This early night business is hard to get used to. Night!

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 00:49

    I'd heard for a while that they might be frustrated at the ownership arrangement... they own the majority share but the other owners still have majority voting rights.. is that right? But even with that I thought it was solid.

    They have a plurality share (the largest among all stakeholders - around 40%?), but they don't have the majority. All Ron did was make a deal with Mansour Ojjeh and Mumtalakat that they would all vote the same way, effectively creating a majority coalition, if you will.

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:49

    Night Mr C

    if alison arrives while i'm sleeping, she needs lots of xx's.

    she'll know why.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:50

    if alison arrives while i'm sleeping, she needs lots of xx's.

    What have you done to her?

  • lou15/11/2009 at 00:50

    and with that. goodnight all.

    night mr c... No kisses? ;)

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:51

    What have you done to her?

    hehe. nothing. it's txt spk.

  • me15/11/2009 at 00:51

    night mr c... No kisses? ;)

    :)

    xxxxxx

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:51

    she'll know why.

    voicemail?

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:54

    xxxxxx

    We love you too :)

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 00:57

    Past time for bed here too, so goodnight all from LPG and myself.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:57

    Past time for bed here too, so goodnight all from LPG and myself.

    Goodnight

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 00:57

    Past time for bed here too, so goodnight all from LPG and myself.

    Same here, night guys, night everyone :)

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 00:58

    Same here, night guys, night everyone :)

    Night Lukeh

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 00:58

    i am at work doing no work but being paid double to be here. Cant wait to get home and watch cars and pretend i was actually here for it :D

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:58

    Past time for bed here too, so goodnight all from LPG and myself.

    Night!

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:59

    Same here, night guys, night everyone :)

    See ya!

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 00:59

    i am at work doing no work but being paid double to be here. Cant wait to get home and watch cars and pretend i was actually here for it :D

    Paid double to do nothing is ideal.. although giving up a Sunday..?

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 01:04

    giving up a Sunday isnt nice but I have Friday off so its still a 5 day week. The sacrifices I have to make to afford my trip means I foresee more weekend work in my future :(

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 01:05

    i am at work doing no work but being paid double to be here. Cant wait to get home and watch cars and pretend i was actually here for it :D

    Did you get dressed for work or just stick wit hteh pjs?

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 01:09

    i got dressed today!

  • lou15/11/2009 at 01:10

    Right, time for us to sleep, night all!xx

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 01:10

    Right, time for us to sleep, night all!xx

    Night Lou

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 01:10

    i got dressed today!

    I bet you don't stay dressed for long once you get home

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 01:18

    home is still 6 hours away so you are probably right.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 01:19

    Right, time for us to sleep, night all!xx

    Night

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 01:21

    Night Pat

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 02:13

    So I'm still here really...

    Picked up some CDs on a market stall today. My town has a record fair every now and then. Lots of people apparently still collect vinyl albums, I don't have a record player but they also sell CDs which is useful to me. I like hoarding them. I find if you rely on downloads you forget things.

    So I picked up Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon (how did I not own this before?), Metallica's black album (very good) and Super Furry Animals' Radiator (not listened to yet). I like physical media, I'm quite tactile like that.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 02:19

    Plans for Sunday: Study, Study, Study.

    I have an accountancy exam coming up soon. Retake 'cos I failed the 2nd half of the paper (passed the 1st half but still have to retake both). Refresher course next week (a Saturday, ugh) then on the 2nd I have the retake.

    Must refrain from commenting and blogging.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 07:38

    I bought some lovely fresh salmon today and was looking forward to having it for dinner because I haven't had salmon since I left NZ 17 months ago. But one of my colleagues went to the market after me and she gathered it up with her shopping and took it home :(

    So now I have to wait until tomorrow to have lovely slightly-less-fresh salmon :(

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 08:16

    Re giving Red Bull a Merc engine if Merc leave Macca for Brawn, as everyone has now been expecting for a while.....

    That was why all the Daimler big-wigs and Ron were at Abu after all....

    But as to engines ... if you were buying Brawn would you give their closest competitors this year, and most likely everyone's strongest opposition next year, the best engine?.... I think not....

    There is no way Macca would buy out the Merc 40% if they couldn't keep the engines for at least a couple of seasons....

  • Aitch15/11/2009 at 08:43

    There is no way Macca would buy out the Merc 40% if they couldn't keep the engines for at least a couple of seasons....

    Isn't Mclaren getting ready to build their own engines for the 2011 or 2012 season?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 09:13

    Morning.

    Has anyone heard of a site called "Formula One News"?

    Seems that they are taking our blog articles, posting them onto their site, and just adding "All credit goes to the Source" with a link at the end. Hmm....

  • startledbunny15/11/2009 at 09:16

    Seems that they are taking our blog articles, posting them onto their site, and just adding "All credit goes to the Source" with a link at the end. Hmm....

    Cheeky. They're making money out of other peoples work.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 09:16

    @Lady Snowcat

    I am working on my car-adjust championships - in my first variable Kimi becomes the top driver which should please you and Lewis only 13th.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 09:19

    There is no way Macca would buy out the Merc 40% if they couldn't keep the engines for at least a couple of seasons....

    There is actually options for Macca there are two very competent engines that will not be used next year which they could buy (either design or complete manufacture).

  • Dank15/11/2009 at 09:24

    Seems that they are taking our blog articles, posting them onto their site, and just adding "All credit goes to the Source" with a link at the end. Hmm....

    Happens quite regularly unfortunately. I had numerous sites leeching my feeds when I was running The Red Bullog and using my articles to make it look as if it was their doing.

    In the end I had to the feed to just show excerpts instead of the full thing. Annoyed the hell out of me that did.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 09:39

    "I am working on my car-adjust championships - in my first variable Kimi becomes the top driver which should please you and Lewis only 13th."

    Dear Rich....

    Sounds like you've got it exactly right straight away!!....

    You are a star....

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 09:41

    "There is actually options for Macca there are two very competent engines that will not be used next year which they could buy (either design or complete manufacture)."

    Just assuming they want the best they can have, and I think evryone believes that after lots of aggro in earlier years Mercedes have got that position firmly nailed....

    Macca will probably design their own but I am not sure they'll be ready just yet....

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 09:43

    Sounds like you've got it exactly right straight away!!....

    It is only part of the story - but in a way I have convinced myself that Ferraris, Renaults and BMWs were really really bad. Kimi's strong showing has something to do with KERS.

    Second in this category was Fernando and Robert was third! Won't spoil the post with more details.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 09:51

    Macca will probably design their own but I am not sure they'll be ready just yet....

    I think the Mercedes is the best engine - but the 2009 best and the worst car on the grid share the same engine. So Engine is not the most important consideration.

  • RG15/11/2009 at 10:04

    Morning all...

    Game this morning so don't know why I'm posting this. err, Go Timo!

    ...Bye all.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 10:33

    "I think the Mercedes is the best engine - but the 2009 best and the worst car on the grid share the same engine. So Engine is not the most important consideration"

    I thought that Toro Rosso used the Ferrari engine...

    And the worst car on the grid (per your estimation)... got a podium largely because of the engine....

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 10:35

    "Kimi's strong showing has something to do with KERS."

    As did Lewis's, as the Macca was agreed to be a better KERS system... and we all know how hard the KERS made the Ferrari to drive a la Fisi ... and how the Ferrari KERS failed due to heat etc, like in Abu....

    Looking forward to the article... there are just so many things to take into account....

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 10:50

    Morning., Has anyone taken my glasses??

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 10:55

    Morning., Has anyone taken my glasses??

    wasn't me!

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 10:58

    As did Lewis's, as the Macca was agreed to be a better KERS system... and we all know how hard the KERS made the Ferrari to drive a la Fisi ... and how the Ferrari KERS failed due to heat etc, like in Abu....

    Kimi made better use of the KERS than Lewis or any other driver. It seems from this that the Ferrari really was a dog of a car and it is to both Felipe and Kimi that they did as well. Incidentally the Macca after about round 4 the should have been competitive.

    There must be something wrong with my analysis but against targets set Lewis simply met them, drivers like Kimi, Felipe and Robert exceeded them. Other drivers measured miserably - but it is early days in the analysis.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 11:02

    Morning all! Hope you're all good.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:03

    I thought that Toro Rosso used the Ferrari engine...

    Toro Rosso may not have been the worst car - just had the poorest drivers. I am finding good evidence for Fernando saying that Renault is the worst car and John Howett saying both Toyota drivers should have done better.

    If only Kim had accepted the Toyota offer - it had potential for very serious speed and might just explain why Kobayashi made such a good début. Sadly this analysis is not reflecting so great on some of my favourite drivers.

  • James15/11/2009 at 11:07

    Toro Rosso may not have been the worst car - just had the poorest drivers. I am finding good evidence for Fernando saying that Renault is the worst car and John Howett saying both Toyota drivers should have done better.

    Agreed. Renault also stopped development quite early I believe.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:07

    I thought that Toro Rosso used the Ferrari engine...

    Also forgot to say the Force India was not bad either - it show more speed on more variety of circuits that I expected - I do take it though Silverston is a low downforce track?

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 11:07

    "There must be something wrong with my analysis but against targets set Lewis simply met them, drivers like Kimi, Felipe and Robert exceeded them. Other drivers measured miserably - but it is early days in the analysis."

    But you could be right on point....

    Don't get bogged down by changing things to obtain the results to match your expectations... as that would skew it....

    I am sure you could change parameters to always end up with exactly what you expect to see... but that wouldn't make it right....

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:18

    Don't get bogged down by changing things to obtain the results to match your expectations... as that would skew it....

    I am not going to, it is just Lewis is simply coming exactly what you would expect the car to come out with, Kimi and Fernado (and possibly Felipe) and coming out way better. Robert is because he score so few points and the BMW was totally rubbish - especially the KERS one which Nick had in the beginning. It is a little known or promoted fact BMW when they ditched their KERS-NonKERS and replaced it with a Non-KERS only car it was virtually a new car ground up - it certainly improved their situation.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:21

    Agreed. Renault also stopped development quite early I believe.

    It was real rubbish I am afraid, be it KERS or non-KERS.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 11:22

    It was real rubbish I am afraid, be it KERS or non-KERS.

    The Renault? Yeah, it was a very bad car - not sure it bodes too well for Kubica next year

  • James15/11/2009 at 11:23

    It was real rubbish I am afraid, be it KERS or non-KERS.

    If it was rubbish, then should Grosjean get another chance?

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:23

    I am also understanding why Williams seemed not too concerned about losing Rosberg. Kaz was sadly hopeless as it was not so bad a car.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 11:23

    "I am not going to, it is just Lewis is simply coming exactly what you would expect the car to come out with, Kimi and Fernado (and possibly Felipe) and coming out way better"....

    So you can't believe the Lewis position....

    Because?....

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 11:24

    If it was rubbish, then should Grosjean get another chance?

    The lack of testing certainly hurt him. It's a shame there is such limited testing over the off season or I'd put him in a programme against Lucas Di Grassi for the second seat early on.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:24

    If it was rubbish, then should Grosjean get another chance?

    Could argue the same for Piquet to be honest - he at least got into Q3 with that rubbish car.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:26

    So you can't believe the Lewis position....

    Everybody tells me he is so good and he did a lot better than Kovy!

  • me15/11/2009 at 11:27

    Hello everyone. How are we?

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 11:27

    Oops, that was not 'me', that was me!

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:28

    The lack of testing certainly hurt him. It's a shame there is such limited testing over the off season or I'd put him in a programme against Lucas Di Grassi for the second seat early on.

    It was a very poor car so even with testing I doubt it would have made much difference. It is establishing that Alonso can do wonders with a poor car.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 11:28

    Hello everyone. How are we?

    Morning. The world is blurry today :( I went to sleep with my glasses on ym desk and i wake up to find them gone

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 11:29

    Morning. The world is blurry today :( I went to sleep with my glasses on ym desk and i wake up to find them gone

    Oh no!

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 11:31

    Morning MR C and Christine.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 11:32

    "Everybody tells me he is so good and he did a lot better than Kovy!"

    Sooo....

    Kovy was crushed in 2008 and couldn't get it together at all in 2009....

    You are trying to match the results to everyone's expectations.... of Lewis...

    I honestly believe that from Germany onwards the Macca was pretty amazing... certainly better than the Ferrari...

    And perhaps you need to feature in that although it was easier to drive than the Ferrari and the KERS were better, it was still more difficult than the Red Bulls and Brawns.... for similar weight distribution issues to the Ferrari.... (although it was widely agreed that the Macca weight distribution was better than the Ferrari because of the KERS battery location)....

    This difficult to drive feature could have been an additional Heikki problem....

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 11:32

    Morning. The world is blurry today :( I went to sleep with my glasses on ym desk and i wake up to find them gone

    Where can they have gone?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 11:35

    Where can they have gone?

    I hve looked from head to toe in ym room to no luck... and im having to put my head very close tothe laptop to type this. Grrr. stupid vision and lack of memory and strange unexplainable incident.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 11:36

    Where can they have gone?

    last time I lost mine I had knocked them behind my bed but rather than falling onto the floor they were sitting on a bit of the mattress base that stuck out about 1cm more than the mattress. Took me 3 weeks to find them. So I'd recommend looking there ;)

  • James15/11/2009 at 11:37

    Could argue the same for Piquet to be honest - he at least got into Q3 with that rubbish car.

    wasn't that Germany where the rain effected quali?

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 11:37

    "It was a very poor car so even with testing I doubt it would have made much difference. It is establishing that Alonso can do wonders with a poor car"

    There is little yardstick for this as the only driver with any talent at all was Fernie... the others Junior and Grosjean (especially the latter) were not that strong.... and Alonso did most of the true testing with his team-mate doing all the less exciting set-up stuff re tyre wear....

    Although it was only at the very end after Pat 's influence disappeared that I think they stopped developing and actually they made a lot of comments that they were pretty good... just didn't translate it on the track especially when they tried and retried KERS...

    They were probably hurt by dipping in and out of KERS.... rather than that the car was sooo rubbish....

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 11:40

    Good Morning!

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:46

    And perhaps you need to feature in that although it was easier to drive than the Ferrari and the KERS were better, it was still more difficult than the Red Bulls and Brawns.... for similar weight distribution issues to the Ferrari.... (although it was widely agreed that the Macca weight distribution was better than the Ferrari because of the KERS battery location)....

    Cannot say much about the Toro Rosso - it shares similar potential but I think the Renault engine improved driveability over the ferrari engine.

    I did not factor in ease of driving but what the analysis could suggest

    Ferrari mid running but hugely difficult to drive

    Toyota fast and easy to drive but got the set up seriously wrong at times

    Macca fast with improved driveability as season progressed

    Red Bull very very very fast with moderate driveability

    Brawn Fast and easy to drive but lost speed during the season

    Renault - very unpredictable get the impression they never understood the car

    Williams Good turn of speed but moderately difficult to drive

    Force India Fast but specialised to certain circuits - set up or design?

    BMW Sauber - the KERS/Non-KERS car was a complete nightmare (high center of gravity). I think they returned to essentially a 2008 "inspired" car from midway

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 11:48

    Problem solved!!

    They were under the bed. Not down the sides, I mean proper under the bed. I hate it when I can't work out why!!!

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 11:50

    They were under the bed. Not down the sides, I mean proper under the bed. I hate it when I can't work out why!!!

    random sleep walking?

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 11:50

    They were under the bed. Not down the sides, I mean proper under the bed. I hate it when I can't work out why!!!

    #BlameSutil

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 11:50

    random sleep walking?

    Well there are books under my bed so random sleep reading? Perhaps I put the book on my face and the glasses with the books. God knows.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 11:52

    They were probably hurt by dipping in and out of KERS.... rather than that the car was sooo rubbish....

    OK my hunch they were trying too many things (KERS, non-KERS and a variety of diffusers rather than in a stepwise logical fashion so they could separate out the variables - even Fernando had huge variation in times . I have not found quite the evidence of complete catastrophe that BMW had - Robert with his mass had no chance of running the KERS.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 11:52

    They were under the bed. Not down the sides, I mean proper under the bed. I hate it when I can't work out why!!!

    #Pixies

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 11:52

    Well there are books under my bed so random sleep reading? Perhaps I put the book on my face and the glasses with the books. God knows.

    when my brother was younger his sleep trick was throwing his pillows out the window in the middle of the night.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 11:54

    when my brother was younger his sleep trick was throwing his pillows out the window in the middle of the night.

    :D wow... was the window open or did he have to unlatch it?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 11:54

    when my brother was younger his sleep trick was throwing his pillows out the window in the middle of the night.

    *hides laughter*

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 11:54

    when my brother was younger his sleep trick was throwing his pillows out the window in the middle of the night.

    Amy (Not *You* Amy, my Amy...A.K.A Pineapple) often has random conversations with me in my sleep. I get worried as to what stupid things I'll say?!

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 11:55

    :D wow... was the window open or did he have to unlatch it?

    he would open them, throw the pillows out, then close it and get back into bed. Mum would always get angry if he did it when it was raining, but it's not like he could stop!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 11:57

    he would open them, throw the pillows out, then close it and get back into bed. Mum would always get angry if he did it when it was raining, but it's not like he could stop!

    hehehe... thats brilliant!

    Did he try locking the windows... has he managed to stop doing it? It could be a problem if you lived on the 20th floor!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 11:57

    Amy (Not *You* Amy, my Amy...A.K.A Pineapple) often has random conversations with me in my sleep. I get worried as to what stupid things I'll say?!

    You cant still pretend she is called amy :P

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 11:58

    Did he try locking the windows... has he managed to stop doing it? It could be a problem if you lived on the 20th floor!

    we didn't have lockable windows in our house :D I don't think he does it anymore but according to his girlfriend he is still quite the sleep talker.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 11:59

    we didn't have lockable windows in our house :D I don't think he does it anymore but according to his girlfriend he is still quite the sleep talker.

    My older brother sleep yells... I can hear him from my own room some nights shouting random gibberish. once or twice he will come in to ask an inane question completely unrelated to anything, then have no idea what I'm on about in the morning. It's very odd.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 12:03

    My older brother sleep yells... I can hear him from my own room some nights shouting random gibberish. once or twice he will come in to ask an inane question completely unrelated to anything, then have no idea what I'm on about in the morning. It's very odd.

    Yeah, I know how he feels.

    I sailed on a tall ship a few years ago, you get soooo tired as you never sleep for more that 3-4 hours at a time and I got my head down once, then woke the guy in the bunk opposite me up to ask:

    "John, John, did you put the plugs back in? The captain said you need to sort it or the ship will sink"

    Sadly about 4 people we up to see this display, and I was not allowed to forget it for the remainder of the trip.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:04

    Sadly about 4 people we up to see this display, and I was not allowed to forget it for the remainder of the trip.

    :D :D

    I wonder how many relationships have been ruined by the sleep-talking ramblings of one partner :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 12:05

    Amy (Not *You* Amy, my Amy...A.K.A Pineapple) often has random conversations with me in my sleep. I get worried as to what stupid things I'll say?!

    Why do you call her Pineapple?

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:06

    Why do you call her Pineapple?

    because shes not me.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 12:07

    Why do you call her Pineapple?

    It was a SPC assigned name, so not to confuse her with SPC Amy.

    She doens't know it's her name....tried to call her it for a while to see if it would stick. Didn't work....she'd probably kill me if she found out where it came from.

  • Dank15/11/2009 at 12:07

    The circuit layout for the Indian Grand Prix that is due for 2011 has been revealed. Though I say revealed, it appears to have been available for some time but nobody has picked up on it: http://www.jaypeegreens-sportscity.com/masterplan_of_sports_city.html

    Yawntastic. Looks more Valencia and Abu Dhabi than Turkey to me.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 12:07

    It was a SPC assigned name, so not to confuse her with SPC Amy.

    Not sure who came up with it now.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:08

    Not sure who came up with it now.

    #blamenick http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/10/24/daily-24th-october-2009/#comment-559680

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 12:08

    The circuit layout for the Indian Grand Prix that is due for 2011 has been revealed. Though I say revealed, it appears to have been available for some time but nobody has picked up on it: http://www.jay...n_of_sports_city.html

    It's like China mixed with South Korea mixed with Singapore

    OH WAIT.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 12:09

    The circuit layout for the Indian Grand Prix that is due for 2011 has been revealed. Though I say revealed, it appears to have been available for some time but nobody has picked up on it: http://www.jay...n_of_sports_city.html

    Yawntastic. Looks more Valencia and Abu Dhabi than Turkey to me.

    Like I said on Twitter, Tilke just remixes the same corners every time. He's the Fatboy Slim of Circuit Designers!

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 12:10

    Yawntastic. Looks more Valencia and Abu Dhabi than Turkey to me.

    Another Tilkedrome. Argh, just argh. Why??! This man has had what...8 opportunities to design a good track and all of the races have been total gash at his 'venues' so far.

    #blamenick http://www.sid...-2009/#comment-559680

    Cheers!

  • Dank15/11/2009 at 12:10

    More details about the circuit and the planner's intentions on Wikipedia

    I really can't wait.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 12:11

    More details about the circuit and the planner's intentions on Wikipedia

    I really can't wait.

    There's too many corners!

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 12:12

    I really can't wait.

    1 more race with no fans watching, and millions around the world forced into a catatonic state by the sheer tedium of it all.

    Meanwhile, Indy, Silverstone, Imola, Magny Cours, Montreal, the Nurburgring, and possible Albert Park are left begging for the scraps left behind by Bernie and his ever demanding wallet.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 12:13

    *possibly

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 12:13

    There's too many corners!

    And this doesn't?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_International_Circuit

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 12:13

    " I have not found quite the evidence of complete catastrophe that BMW had - Robert with his mass had no chance of running the KERS."

    Did they ever run it with Robert... once maybe?....

    Assume a similar level of driving difficulty in the early season before they changed...

    Also take into account difficulty without the benefit of KERS.... for Robert and occasionally for Nick as well... you'd need to find the exact races where they did/didn't use it and when they changed the car to the "easy drive version".... was it Germany/Hungary?.... or later?....

    Think Ferrari in Singapore or Abu Dhabi....

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 12:14

    And this doesn't?

    http://en.wiki...International_Circuit

    What the!!!!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 12:14

    1 more race with no fans watching, and millions around the world forced into a catatonic state by the sheer tedium of it all.

    Well a lot of Indians I know like F1, but whether they can afford to attend is another matter.

    Meanwhile, Indy, Silverstone, Imola, Magny Cours, Montreal, the Nurburgring, and possible Albert Park are left begging for the scraps left behind by Bernie and his ever demanding wallet.

    Yay for the general decline of F1 to line someone's back pocket!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 12:14

    And this doesn't?

    http://en.wiki...International_Circuit

    What the!!!!

    I went cross-eyed looking at that!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:17

    #blamenick http://www.sid...-2009/#comment-559680

    This is not a hashtag, despite what Alison might claim!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:20

    There's too many corners!

    He puts in straights... people complain...

    He puts in Corners... people complain...

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 12:21

    He puts in straights... people complain...

    He puts in Corners... people complain...

    Obviously then he should just stand aside ;)

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:21

    He puts in straights... people complain...

    i have never complained about a tilke straight.

    it's his poxy 2nd gear corners that inevitably follow them that i object to.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:23

    it's his poxy 2nd gear corners that inevitably follow them that i object to.

    Isnt there an FIA regulation which says straights of a certain length must be followed by a tight corner?

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:24

    Isnt there an FIA regulation which says straights of a certain length must be followed by a tight corner?

    don't know, but there certainly isn't one that says they should be followed by six of them.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:24

    Isnt there an FIA regulation which says straights of a certain length must be followed by a tight corner?

    But i agree... that his circuits seem to be far to concentrated on slower corners.

    Sepang was good, but i fear the criticizem there has led to his current mode.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 12:25

    He puts in straights... people complain...

    i have never complained about a tilke straight.

    it's his poxy 2nd gear corners that inevitably follow them that i object to.

    Yeah I mean come on, it's got a long straight with a tight corner on each end, then a load of silly tight corners!

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 12:27

    There's too many corners!

    He puts in straights... people complain...

    He puts in Corners... people complain...

    It's the combination of them all that is the problem.

    Someone actually needs to look at tracks where cars can overtake and work out why it's possible. You can pass in Brazil, Spa, Silverstone, Indy, what makes those tracks work, and the Tilkedromes not work?!

    This is the problem, his circuits have not induced good racing - but somehow he's allowed to carry on building architectually magnificent venues - but forgetting that they're there for cars to RACE on not play follow my leader.

    Like Mr C says, the endless 2nd gear corners after straights aren't working.

    Tilke doesn't innovate, he just recycles old ideas that didn't work first time round.

    Let's be honest, he had pretty much an unlimited budget in Abu Dhabi and look what he did with it. That in itself should have closed the door to him. $1 Billion, on land reclamed from the sea? Couldn't you have built just a BIT of elevation change into the track?

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:30

    Someone actually needs to look at tracks where cars can overtake and work out why it's possible. You can pass in Brazil, Spa, Silverstone, Indy, what makes those tracks work, and the Tilkedromes not work?!

    You can pass at silverstone?

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:31

    but forgetting that they're there for cars to RACE on not play follow my leader.

    they can't even do that, given the amount of field spread he induces with the slow and middling sections.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:32

    You can pass at silverstone?

    hell yeah. we're talking silverstone, uk. right?

    you must be thinking of somewhere else / watching a different series?

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:33

    you must be thinking of somewhere else / watching a different series?

    Perhaps... Because i didnt see that much more than Bahrain/Turkey

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 12:36

    "Perhaps... Because i didnt see that much more than Bahrain/Turkey"

    Neither did I.....

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:38

    Perhaps... Because i didnt see that much more than Bahrain/Turkey

    button passed loads in silverstone didn't he? he qualified badly, then dropped back at the start and had to fight his way through the field.

    lewis was busy all day too.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:39

    Neither did I.....

    hmmm. am gonna have to find some footage.

    bahrain was a nightmare, when it came to passing this year.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:41

    bahrain was a nightmare, when it came to passing this year.

    i should also add i was sick during the bahrain weekend, and almost didn't watch it. come the end of the race i wish i hadn't.

    i go so far as to say i enjoyed abu dhabi more than bahrain.

  • James15/11/2009 at 12:41

    Someone actually needs to look at tracks where cars can overtake and work out why it's possible. You can pass in Brazil, Spa, Silverstone, Indy, what makes those tracks work, and the Tilkedromes not work?!

    where does the Hungaroring fit in? :)

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 12:41

    i go so far as to say i enjoyed abu dhabi more than bahrain.

    Nonsense.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:42

    where does the Hungaroring fit in? :)

    between germany and the summer break i think.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:42

    i go so far as to say i enjoyed abu dhabi more than bahrain.

    Nonsense.

    it was a long shot :)

  • James15/11/2009 at 12:42

    bahrain was a nightmare, when it came to passing this year.

    According to this http://www.cliptheapex.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=822#wrap there were 16 overtakes in Bahrain to Silverstone's 9 this year.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:43

    According to this http://www.cli...p?f=51&t=822#wrap there were 16 overtakes in Bahrain to Silverstone's 9 this year.

    on track??

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:43

    i go so far as to say i enjoyed abu dhabi more than bahrain.

    hehe oh dear...

    My memories might be clouded by Lewis move on Jenson

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 12:44

    According to this http://www.cli...p?f=51&t=822#wrap there were 16 overtakes in Bahrain to Silverstone's 9 this year.

    on track??

    If Brian Lawrence was involved, then yes, they're on track and don't include the first lap or the pitstops...

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:44

    According to this http://www.cli...p?f=51&t=822#wrap there were 16 overtakes in Bahrain to Silverstone's 9 this year.

    I knew it!

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 12:44

    "hmmm. am gonna have to find some footage.

    bahrain was a nightmare, when it came to passing this year."

    Hmmm....

    Well I was at Bahrain in the University grandstand... and I saw some action...

    More than I saw at Silverstone....

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 12:44

    Did they ever run it with Robert... once maybe?....

    They did once, so poor Nick ended up doing the development work. His early season showed some of the harm this did (sure he fluked 2nd place at Sepang but it only got half points). Robert was stronger at the season start. At the end of the season Nick was a lot stronger than Robert (fuel-corrected qualifying and race pace) but three stuffed team work or equipment in four races (under-mass @ Singapore, wheel nut @ Japan and fuel rig @ Brazil) does dent a person's chances. Both Robert and Nick made costly mistakes.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:45

    bahrain was a nightmare, when it came to passing this year.

    someone I know is going to Bahrain instead of Albert Park this year because he didn't want to miss out on the season opener. Sounds like a waste of money to me.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:45

    If Brian Lawrence was involved, then yes, they're on track and don't include the first lap or the pitstops...

    madness. silverstone was so much more enjoyable than bahrain, how is that possible?

    i wanted to shoot myself after watching 90 minutes in the desert.

  • James15/11/2009 at 12:45

    If Brian Lawrence was involved, then yes, they're on track and don't include the first lap or the pitstops...

    Indeed:

    The overtaking figures for each race do not include:

    * Position changes on the first lap of the race

    * Position changes due to drivers lapping backmarkers

    * Positions gained in the pits

    * Positions gained when a car has a serious technical problem; e.g. puncture, accident damage, etc.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:46

    someone I know is going to Bahrain instead of Albert Park this year because he didn't want to miss out on the season opener. Sounds like a waste of money to me.

    and by this I mean next. Silly off season making me think it's suddenly next year.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:46

    someone I know is going to Bahrain instead of Albert Park this year because he didn't want to miss out on the season opener. Sounds like a waste of money to me.

    it's not the real season opener, it doesn't count.

    just like brazil is the real season closer.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:47

    it's not the real season opener, it doesn't count.

    :(

    just like brazil is the real season closer.

    :(

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 12:47

    "i go so far as to say i enjoyed abu dhabi more than bahrain."

    And I enjoyed both.... although the atmosphere at Abu was probably more of a buzz....

    And Bahrain was hotter.... but the day/night thing was in Abu's favour there....

  • James15/11/2009 at 12:47

    it's not the real season opener, it doesn't count.

    so there will be no debrief for Bahrain then? :)

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:48

    so there will be no debrief for Bahrain then? :)

    there almost wasn't this year :)

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:48

    and by this I mean next. Silly off season making me think it's suddenly next year.

    Its you antipodeans having your seasons backwards... Madness

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 12:48

    i go so far as to say i enjoyed abu dhabi more than bahrain.

    Abu Dhabi was the most rubbish race all season - I actually gave up watching. I think they were trying to get too much of the scenery in so you actually missed the cars.

  • Alex Andronov15/11/2009 at 12:48

    Morning everyone... Afternoon everyone...

    Hosted wordpress is annoying isn't it ;)

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:48

    so there will be no debrief for Bahrain then? :)

    I havent listened to the AD one yet! ...oops!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 12:48

    Abu Dhabi was the most rubbish race all season - I actually gave up watching. I think they were trying to get too much of the scenery in so you actually missed the cars.

    Hey! What did the hotel ever do to you!

    :P

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:49

    And Bahrain was hotter.... but the day/night thing was in Abu's favour there....

    fair enough. but i watched both on tv. i bet all gp's that you visit in person are really enjoyable.

    i'd have enjoyed abu dhabi if i'd have gone there.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 12:49

    "madness. silverstone was so much more enjoyable than bahrain, how is that possible?"

    Errrr...

    Were you there?....

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 12:49

    I havent listened to the AD one yet! ...oops!

    Oh so that's why you haven't shouted at me yet. Phew!

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:49

    Were you there?....

    no.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 12:49

    Hosted wordpress is annoying isn't it ;)

    Uh oh. What's it done now?

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:50

    I havent listened to the AD one yet! ...oops!

    can i recommend you don't.

    trust me.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 12:50

    Abu Dhabi was the most rubbish race all season - I actually gave up watching. I think they were trying to get too much of the scenery in so you actually missed the cars.

    This is from a TV perspective - I am sure the event itself was way better! Camera work did not help!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:50

    "madness. silverstone was so much more enjoyable than bahrain, how is that possible?"

    I think people see silverstone though rose tinted glasses...

    Donnington would have been a better venue, it just went about doing it in the wrong way

  • Alex Andronov15/11/2009 at 12:51

    Uh oh. What's it done now?

    Nothing too bad, but Katherine is trying to get her blog into shape and we're plugging in this and wigiting that. And it's all kinda going a bit mad ;) But we're working on it :)

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:51

    I think people see silverstone though rose tinted glasses...

    not me.

    i just see it as a better race than bahrain.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 12:51

    "fair enough. but i watched both on tv. i bet all gp's that you visit in person are really enjoyable.

    i'd have enjoyed abu dhabi if i'd have gone there."

    And don't forget that you HAVE BEEN in the past to Silverstone...

    I promise that you'd enjoy any race on the TV if you'd been there before as you have the taste and feel of the event and can add the colour that you miss when you only have the TV and can't fill in the gaps....

  • Alex Andronov15/11/2009 at 12:51

    Hosted wordpress is annoying isn't it ;)

    Uh oh. What's it done now?

    Self-hosted I mean...

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:51

    can i recommend you don't.

    Oh dear... i dont think i will mind so much when i am over there ;)

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:52

    Self-hosted I mean...

    we may need a screenshot showing us your domain :)

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:52

    it's not the real season opener, it doesn't count.

    to fly from here to Bahrain costs $300 less than I spent on my flights to London. I'd rather pay the extra, go to Europe and do (almost) any of the races there than bother with Bahrain.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 12:52

    Hey! What did the hotel ever do to you!

    Looked like a melted, over decorated Xmas tree - Singapore with it lights worked Abu Dhabi did not (on TV that is)

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:53

    And don't forget that you HAVE BEEN in the past to Silverstone...

    last year? when we froze to death and nearly died the subsequent week?

    you are crazy if you think i enjoyed the race this year because of that.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 12:53

    last year? when we froze to death and nearly died the subsequent week?

    Silverstone tried to kill me. I am not a fan.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:53

    I promise that you'd enjoy any race on the TV if you'd been there before as you have the taste and feel of the event and can add the colour that you miss when you only have the TV and can't fill in the gaps....

    I went to Singapore last year and didn't really enjoy it this year.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:53

    Looked like a melted, over decorated Xmas tree - Singapore with it lights worked Abu Dhabi did not (on TV that is)

    interesting. singapore looked more gorgeous, i agree.

    i loved the heli-short over the river.

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:54

    I promise that you'd enjoy any race on the TV if you'd been there before as you have the taste and feel of the event and can add the colour that you miss when you only have the TV and can't fill in the gaps....

    i fundamentally disagree.

    the bahrain race was just a shocker. same as abu dhabi and valencia. all rubbish races in 2009.

  • Alex Andronov15/11/2009 at 12:55

    I do think that it's got to be very hard to judge what a race was like objectively if you were in a mix of tv and being there.

    It seems to me to be pretty clear that you are much more likely to be influenced by attending to vote in favour of the newer much better facilities. But the facilities are nothing to do with the racing.

    I haven't been to any races or any tracks. And I have to say Abu Dhabi was less exciting than other races, not the objectively the worst necessarily, but given the championship was over it was the worst - in my opinion.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 12:56

    I do think that it's got to be very hard to judge what a race was like objectively if you were in a mix of tv and being there.

    Clearly the best four races ever are the three I attended and the Japanese GP of 2005 ;)

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 12:58

    "the bahrain race was just a shocker. same as abu dhabi and valencia. all rubbish races in 2009."

    And I fundamentally disagree with you dear "me"....

    We'll just have to agree to differ (except for Valencia) .....

    And I do think it shows what a slave your view can be to the tv coverage....

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 12:58

    I haven't been to any races or any tracks. And I have to say Abu Dhabi was less exciting than other races, not the objectively the worst necessarily, but given the championship was over it was the worst - in my opinion.

    Did not translate well to TV - I think the architecture overwhelms in terms of size but it has little actually structure - sort of building blobs. Honestly I can say I enjoyed Valencia more!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 12:59

    the bahrain race was just a shocker. same as abu dhabi and valencia. all rubbish races in 2009.

    I think Valencia was truely rubbish.

    Bahrain and silverstone were both average, although i think the racing at bahrain was marginaly better,

    AD i liked, but i am biased.

    But most of the rqaces this year apart from Brazil werent all that brilliant in terms of close racing.

    Everyone laughed whrn the guy from the OWG blamed the tracks, the cars are mostly at fault.

    They should try the slit rear wing sooner rather than later...

  • me15/11/2009 at 12:59

    And I do think it shows what a slave your view can be to the tv coverage....

    of course. but isn't everyone's (except rich people who can afford to go to several)?

    you're judging me for being like millions of others?

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:00

    Did not translate well to TV - I think the architecture overwhelms in terms of size but it has little actually structure - sort of building blobs. Honestly I can say I enjoyed Valencia more!

    hmmm.. i wonder why?

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:00

    "I do think that it's got to be very hard to judge what a race was like objectively if you were in a mix of tv and being there.

    It seems to me to be pretty clear that you are much more likely to be influenced by attending to vote in favour of the newer much better facilities. But the facilities are nothing to do with the racing."

    Rubbish...

    Probably my favourite tracks are Spa... and Interlagos....

    The former does have a few new facilities on the Corporate side but not for the punters ... but Interlagos has neither....

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:00

    hmmm.. i wonder why?

    I thought they got camera angles better at Valencia this year.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:01

    And I do think it shows what a slave your view can be to the tv coverage....

    I have only ever watched races on TV coverage... I know i miss some stuff, but i dont feel like i am missing out any more than somone limited to a grandstand

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:01

    I haven't been to any races or any tracks. And I have to say Abu Dhabi was less exciting than other races, not the objectively the worst necessarily, but given the championship was over it was the worst - in my opinion.

    ok. top 5 worst races of the year. worst to... least worst.

    1) abu dhabi

    2) valencia

    3) bahrain

    4) malaysia

    5) hungary

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:02

    And I do think it shows what a slave your view can be to the tv coverage....

    didn't you say you have been to every circuit on this year's calendar at least once? 99.9% of fans would never get the chance to do that, even to go to one circuit is beyond some peoples wildest dreams. The TV coverage should be what they are judged on, it's all lots of people have.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:02

    They should try the slit rear wing sooner rather than later...

    doomed to failure and utterly pointless.

    why would they, it's already been proven not to work?

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:03

    1) abu dhabi

    2) valencia

    3) bahrain

    4) malaysia

    5) hungary

    I think that would be my order - Malaysia was pretty rubbish.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:03

    It's almost impossible to judge the race from TV as you can only see one thing... the guys the camera is following...

    At the track you see every car, every lap... you have the TV feed via big screen or Kangaroo AND can go in car with your favourite driver if you wish... plus you have timing stats via Kanga as well....

    Oh and as to facilities Monza have the worst loos by far....

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:03

    I think that would be my order - Malaysia was pretty rubbish.

    you can blame bernie for a lot of that. but it was what it was.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:03

    why would they, it's already been proven not to work?

    Its been proven by people who were instructed to prove it wouldnt work.

    I suspect it could if it was tried

  • RG15/11/2009 at 13:04

    ok. top 5 worst races of the year. worst to... least worst.

    Bump Hungary up to 4th and add Monaco at 5th.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:04

    It's almost impossible to judge the race from TV as you can only see one thing...

    then i'll just sit quietly shall i?

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:04

    They should try the slit rear wing sooner rather than later...

    Do we want even more ugly cars! I just think we need more Nick Heidfeld clones on the track!

  • RG15/11/2009 at 13:04

    Bump Hungary up to 4th and add Monaco at 5th.

    And afternoon all, can't feel hands again, I just spent 80 minutes on a football pitch doing nothing.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:05

    I suspect it could if it was tried

    i had no idea you had such a depth of experience when it came to matters of aerodynamics.

    i bow down to your vast knowledge and experience in these matters sir.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:05

    It's almost impossible to judge the race from TV as you can only see one thing...

    Without TV and its revenue there would be no F1!

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:06

    Bump Hungary up to 4th and add Monaco at 5th.

    Monaco has good scenery and the best marshalling!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:06

    i had no idea you had such a depth of experience when it came to matters of aerodynamics.

    My logic says if the status quo doesnt work, make changes.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:07

    "didn't you say you have been to every circuit on this year's calendar at least once? 99.9% of fans would never get the chance to do that, even to go to one circuit is beyond some peoples wildest dreams. The TV coverage should be what they are judged on, it's all lots of people have."

    I know I am lucky Amy...

    But if you just go on TV and not at least some of the stats and the other stuff you are then judging the TV coverage NOT the race...

    We should get the TV to do a better job if they don't portray the "as there" feeling appropriately....

    It seems you feel they did a good job at Silverstone which to my view was a very so, so affair.... they should do better elsewhere....

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:09

    Team McLaren are going #MFC. The November issue of Racing Line is the last one they will be publishing. This makes me sad because I bet the price of membership won't go down and the replacement 'new website' probably won't be worth as much to me, considering they try and say RL is worth 6 pound per issue or something outrageous like that.

  • RG15/11/2009 at 13:10

    Monaco has good scenery and the best marshalling!

    Are we talking about worst race in terms of quality, or worst race to attend?

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:10

    The November issue of Racing Line is the last one they will be publishing. This makes me sad because I bet the price of membership won't go down and the replacement 'new website' probably won't be worth as much to me, considering they try and say RL is worth 6 pound per issue or something outrageous like that.

    on the plus side, you will get the information the same day as everyone else.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:11

    Are we talking about worst race in terms of quality, or worst race to attend?

    i'm talking about enjoyment factor this year. not sure about anyone else though.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:11

    It's almost impossible to judge the race from TV as you can only see one thing...

    Blimey. You may have just wiped out our entire archives with that then.

    Good show!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:11

    My logic says if the status quo doesnt work, make changes.

    If costs are a concern they could try it in GP2...

    Im surprised they dont use the series for more rule experiments into overtaking...

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:11

    "then i'll just sit quietly shall i?"

    Oh me... is that possible?...

    Only jesting...

    I am just making the point about writing some of these races and locations off on the basis of the limited evidence...

    Given that Bahrain DID have more overtaking than Silverstone and I certainly saw a lot of interesting action being there ... somehow the TV guys need to get that across to everyone....

    Why did you rate Silverstone so highly?... the Trulli train was in great operation there this year....

    I am interested in why you got the better impression of the race....

  • RG15/11/2009 at 13:11

    i'm talking about enjoyment factor this year. not sure about anyone else though.

    Thats what I'm basing it on.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:12

    But if you just go on TV and not at least some of the stats and the other stuff you are then judging the TV coverage NOT the race...

    I really, really loved Singapore. And then I got home and watched the TV coverage of it and thought 'wow, that was actually really boring, I can't believe my perspective being there was so different' and my seats weren't exactly brilliant, I saw no 'racing' from where I was sat. I didn't have a Kangaroo TV either. So the TV pictures at the circuit seemed better to me than they did at home. Atmosphere can do a lot to make it seem like the racing is better.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:12

    Blimey. You may have just wiped out our entire archives with that then.

    Good show!

    i knew we were wasting our time.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:12

    i'm talking about enjoyment factor this year. not sure about anyone else though.

    In terms of enjoyment, i enjoyed them all apart from valencia.

    Brazil was the best by far, but the rest could defiantly be a lot better

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:13

    Are we talking about worst race in terms of quality, or worst race to attend?

    It might be the most expensive to attend.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 13:13

    Are we talking about worst race in terms of quality, or worst race to attend?

    i'm talking about enjoyment factor this year. not sure about anyone else though.

    I think part of it is that there seemed to be something going on as well as the overtaking - Nothing seemed to happen in Abu Dhabi!

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:13

    on the plus side, you will get the information the same day as everyone else.

    Their 'cutting room floor' section which says "in a new regular section, McLaren.com shares with you the images that didn't make the magazine." has been updated once since it launched in 2008. I do not hold out much hope of getting information from McLaren more than once a year :D

  • RG15/11/2009 at 13:14

    Brazil was the best by far, but the rest could defiantly be a lot better

    I enjoyed China, though that might have been down to the rain. Australia was very good, so was Italy.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:14

    Im surprised they dont use the series for more rule experiments into overtaking...

    gp2 isn't a play thing for f1?

    the split wing idea was dumb from the second it was suggested, i see no merit in ever considering it again.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:15

    At the track you see every car, every lap... you have the TV feed via big screen or Kangaroo AND can go in car with your favourite driver if you wish... plus you have timing stats via Kanga as well....

    Thats one way to watch it, i still think i would prefer to watch on TV.

    Practice was good to watch at the track, but i am more than happy to watch the races on TV... especialy in a pub

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:15

    I am just making the point about writing some of these races and locations off on the basis of the limited evidence...

    it's not limited evidence.

    attending a race and then judging it that way is though, because only 50k people can judge it the same way.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:17

    gp2 isn't a play thing for f1?

    I dont know what it is... Its supposed to be the direct feeder series, recent evidence suggests this isnt so, so i dont see too many problems in using it for experiments.

    the split wing idea was dumb from the second it was suggested, i see no merit in ever considering it again.

    Ok... that was an example, it just seems strange they arent doing anything at all other than talking

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:20

    Why did you rate Silverstone so highly?... the Trulli train was in great operation there this year....

    I am interested in why you got the better impression of the race....

    there was plenty of action through the field. vettel was on another planet, but webber had a huge fight on his hands in the first part. jenson had his first big major wobble of the year and rubens kept things exciting. i don't remember everything that happened, but i do know in bahrain i spent 90 minutes wishing vettel would do something... anything... yet he didn't. everyone else seemed to sit where the started except for toyota who went backwards.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:21

    Ok... that was an example, it just seems strange they arent doing anything at all other than talking

    i agree. but you picked the worst possible example there.

  • RG15/11/2009 at 13:21

    everyone else seemed to sit where the started except for toyota who went backwards.

    It was the car, not the driver.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:21

    According to this http://www.cliptheapex.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=822#wrap Valencia had 0 overtakes year.

    The circuit is ugly, the city around the circuit is really really ugly and there was no one there.

    Other than the joy of the winner, which was awesome seeing Rubens win again, i genuinly cant see how it was better than Abu Dhabi....

    But fair enough, i know a lot of people like to

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:22

    i agree. but you picked the worst possible example there.

    Perhaps, but it was radical. But I dont think making small changes is going to help

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:22

    "it's not limited evidence.

    attending a race and then judging it that way is though, because only 50k people can judge it the same way."

    OK...

    So if there was a fantastic race with loads of overtaking, but it all happened down the pack because the top cars were way out in front, as they had superiority and that was what they spent most of the TV time on.... would that be a rubbish race and a rubbish circuit?...

    Don't forget this all kicked off because of criticism of the newer circuits....

    And the idea that the live audience and experience isn't important and only TV matters hadn't ever occurred to me...

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:22

    Ok... that was an example, it just seems strange they arent doing anything at all other than talking

    I have no faith in any changes any more. Last time they changed things, we ended up with fugly cars and this season. Boo.

  • RG15/11/2009 at 13:22

    Other than the joy of the winner, which was awesome seeing Rubens win again, i genuinly cant see how it was better than Abu Dhabi....

    6 still isn't all the ring home about.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:23

    And the idea that the live audience and experience isn't important and only TV matters hadn't ever occurred to me...

    there was a live audience in bahrain? i didn't see a crowd all weekend.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:24

    i do know in bahrain i spent 90 minutes wishing vettel would do something... anything... yet he didn't. everyone else seemed to sit where the started except for toyota who went backwards.

    This is true... and perhaps raises another point... Perhaps too many of the drivers today arent brave enough to attempt risky moves?

    The costs of getting to F1 are so high they are taught to avoid the moves which we may have seen in the past?

    Perhaps because Kobyashi has come in a different route, he seems to be a revelation?

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:25

    Other than the joy of the winner, which was awesome seeing Rubens win again, i genuinly cant see how it was better than Abu Dhabi....

    there was a brilliant battle between lewis and rubens, wasn't there? it was touch and go until the last quarter of the race.

    i'm not defending the place or the race particularly. but it was better than abu dhabi.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:25

    6 still isn't all the ring home about.

    No, but its 6 more than 0

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:28

    there was a brilliant battle between lewis and rubens, wasn't there? it was touch and go until the last quarter of the race.

    There was a battle... that is true.

    *imagines Valencia with no refueling*

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 13:28

    *imagines Valencia with no refueling*

    *shudders*

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:28

    "there was a live audience in bahrain? i didn't see a crowd all weekend."

    No you are right...

    I was just have delusions....

    One of the really nice things about Bahrain was the delightful "Day out" feeling that everyone attending had... it was a great social occasion and after the race behind the main grandstand was packed with people chatting and laughing... there wasn't the usual mass exodus...

    They also put on lots of entertainment for people who attended...

    Of course not like the tons of folks at Silverstone I agree but there was still a crowd to push through.... and do crowds make for better TV?....

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:28

    *imagines Valencia with no refueling*

    that's different argument. i still don't think banning refuelling is a good idea. but i look forward to being proved wrong.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:30

    that's different argument. i still don't think banning refuelling is a good idea. but i look forward to being proved wrong.

    Pleeeeeease let us be wrong.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:30

    there was a brilliant battle between lewis and rubens, wasn't there? it was touch and go until the last quarter of the race.

    I still think the close on the track stuff between button and webber was far better than who would come out of the pits first though. Then we didnt even get to see that

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 13:30

    By the way, I did the Nurburgring endurance event on Forza 3 last night. 187kms = 9 laps of the old Nordscheleife in the Acura LMP1. Ended up winning by over just over 4 1/2 minutes with a best lap of 6'12. Was knackered after that.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:30

    "i'm not defending the place or the race particularly. but it was better than abu dhabi."

    So the pitstop strategy between Brawn and Macca in Valencia was more interesting than the overtaking in Abu?....

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion....

  • James15/11/2009 at 13:31

    I think Valencia was truely rubbish.

    Yes there were zero overtakes there ;)

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:31

    They also put on lots of entertainment for people who attended...

    i'm sure they did. and the hotels in abu dhabi were lovely. and that's great for everyone who goes, but i didn't and i can't.

    and do crowds make for better TV?....

    empty seats are embarrassing on tv. which is why bernie tries so hard to make sure they are not seen.

    it doesn't look good for the sport.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:33

    I still think the close on the track stuff between button and webber was far better than who would come out of the pits first though. Then we didnt even get to see that

    in all due respect, debating abu dhabi with you is a pointless endeavour :)

    i can't believe i got sucked into it again!

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:33

    i'm sure they did. and the hotels in abu dhabi were lovely. and that's great for everyone who goes, but i didn't and i can't.

    you really missed out. without on track entertainment, how can you live the joy that is eddie and the robbers? :D :D

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:34

    i can't believe i got sucked into it again!

    :lolhehehe:

    I did confess to being a little biased this time ;)

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:34

    So the pitstop strategy between Brawn and Macca in Valencia was more interesting than the overtaking in Abu?....

    i wasn't even watching properly by the end of the race. i just wanted the boredom to be over. the whole weekend was dull as dishwater and two laps of action in the dying minutes cannot make up for that.

    sorry, but abu dhabi was a disaster in terms of racing.

  • James15/11/2009 at 13:34

    i can't believe i got sucked into it again!

    hehe :P

    just found this: http://twitpic.com/pmjgs its the first computer i ever used. we still have the disks for it!

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:35

    you really missed out. without on track entertainment, how can you live the joy that is eddie and the robbers? :D :D

    :P

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:35

    just found this: http://twitpic.com/pmjgs its the first computer i ever used. we still have the disks for it!

    retro!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:36

    just found this: http://twitpic.com/pmjgs its the first computer i ever used. we still have the disks for it!

    It looks enormous!

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:36

    :P

    I just went looking for my video of them to upload so you could live the joy. But it's on my other laptop with the non functional screen. You got lucky this time.

  • James15/11/2009 at 13:36

    retro!

    Indeed, it ran MS Dos. so that tells you how old it is ;)

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:37

    you really missed out. without on track entertainment, how can you live the joy that is eddie and the robbers? :D :D

    I should have checked if they were playing in Dubai the other week...

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:39

    "They also put on lots of entertainment for people who attended...

    i'm sure they did. and the hotels in abu dhabi were lovely. and that's great for everyone who goes, but i didn't and i can't.

    and do crowds make for better TV?....

    empty seats are embarrassing on tv. which is why bernie tries so hard to make sure they are not seen.

    it doesn't look good for the sport."

    Me...

    You said no-one was in Bahrain...

    I explained that you were mistaken although I agreed there were a lot less than Silverstone....

    You have said that Bahrain was rubbish as was Abu Dhabi... and that you preferred the nil passes of Valencia...

    I can't agree and can only say that your view is coloured by the coverage....

    You say that only TV really counts.....

    And I say if that is so why do crowds matter...

    But more particularly I said that TV should do a better job with some races...

    I am sorry that you feel that there is no room for that idea....

    I

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:40

    Morning. Er. Afternoon. Wine makes me sleep.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:40

    I should have checked if they were playing in Dubai the other week...

    indeed. Eddie Jordan is the Godfather of Corporate Punk.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:41

    I think people see silverstone though rose tinted glasses... Donnington would have been a better venue, it just went about doing it in the wrong way

    You might be right on this.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:41

    You say that only TV really counts.....

    Where does it say only TV matters?

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:42

    indeed. Eddie Jordan is the Godfather of Corporate Punk.

    I have been told his autobiography is really good... I shall have to test this theory at some point

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:42

    Looked like a melted, over decorated Xmas tree - Singapore with it lights worked Abu Dhabi did not (on TV that is)

    Disagree. If we are comparing looks (not racing), Abu Dhabi wins by a big margin for me. I have no idea how to fix the racing though.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:42

    I explained that you were mistaken although I agreed there were a lot less than Silverstone....

    i know i saw empty seats, lots of empty seats on the television. maybe from the ground it looked busy to you. it wasn't.

    You have said that Bahrain was rubbish as was Abu Dhabi... and that you preferred the nil passes of Valencia...

    if i recall, i said the worst races were:

    1) abu dhabi

    2) valencia

    3) bahrain

    You say that only TV really counts.....

    i did not?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 13:43

    Is it 7pm yet?

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:44

    Disagree. If we are comparing looks (not racing), Abu Dhabi wins by a big margin for me. I have no idea how to fix the racing though.

    i agree abu dhabi has the best architecture of any race track.

    and i love the hotel i really do. i want a house that changes colour too.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:45

    Is it 7pm yet?

    Ah there is a debrief?

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:45

    Is it 7pm yet?

    Neeeearly.

    Well, actually, no.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:45

    and i love the hotel i really do. i want a house that changes colour too.

    I was wondering how anyone gets any sleep in it... It must have really good curtains!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:45

    Ah there is a debrief?

    Nope.

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 13:46

    Ah there is a debrief?

    That'll do it for now. Don't forget there's no live show tonight, but we are working on the podcast about our experience at the Mercedes-Benz event, and that should be with you at some point soon. I will see you in the comments.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 13:46

    Ah there is a debrief?

    Noooo, Doctor Who! The TV highlight since... well, the last Dr Who!!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:46

    Nope.

    Ah yes Top Gear starts this week!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:46

    Ah yes Top Gear starts this week!

    Nope.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:46

    and i love the hotel i really do. i want a house that changes colour too.

    I thought it looked cheap and gimmicky on TV

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:46

    Noooo, Doctor Who! The TV highlight since... well, the last Dr Who!!

    oh...

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:46

    That'll do it for now. Don't forget there's no live show tonight, but we are working on the podcast about our experience at the Mercedes-Benz event, and that should be with you at some point soon. I will see you in the comments.

    ♥ Scott.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:47

    I thought it looked cheap and gimmicky on TV

    I dont think i have ever seen a cheaper looking building...

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:47

    I thought it looked cheap and gimmicky on TV

    it looked nice in the photographs.

    the chequered flag was just silly. how can they not have any white bulbs?

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:47

    I really, really loved Singapore. And then I got home and watched the TV coverage of it and thought 'wow, that was actually really boring, I can't believe my perspective being there was so different' and my seats weren't exactly brilliant, I saw no 'racing' from where I was sat. I didn't have a Kangaroo TV either. So the TV pictures at the circuit seemed better to me than they did at home. Atmosphere can do a lot to make it seem like the racing is better.

    I know someone who reported the exact same thing about Barcelona a year or two ago.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:47

    "Where does it say only TV matters?"

    Hi Christine

    I took it from the following "me" comment when I said to judge a track and race from TV only effectively does it a dis-service....

    "it's not limited evidence.

    attending a race and then judging it that way is though, because only 50k people can judge it the same way."

    I took that to imply that the only way to judge a race was from the televised perspective....

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:48

    That'll do it for now. Don't forget there's no live show tonight, but we are working on the podcast about our experience at the Mercedes-Benz event, and that should be with you at some point soon. I will see you in the comments.

    Ah... well if i am not around when the daily lands... i cant read it! :P

    #sorry I do read it most days!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:48

    I took that to imply that the only way to judge a race was from the televised perspective....

    No, it implies that you can't judge it solely one way or the other. You're judging it from being there, we're judging it from TV. They are both valid opinions.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:49

    Disagree. If we are comparing looks (not racing), Abu Dhabi wins by a big margin for me. I have no idea how to fix the racing though.

    Well I really did not see the point of the hotel - the circuit it does not know whether it was a race track or a street track. I think it was the dullest race I have ever seen on TV.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:49

    I dont know what it is... Its supposed to be the direct feeder series, recent evidence suggests this isnt so.

    Um. What?

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 13:50

    Disagree. If we are comparing looks (not racing), Abu Dhabi wins by a big margin for me. I have no idea how to fix the racing though.

    I say a city evening skyline beats an LED hotel any time of the night (or day, for that matter).

    Hi everyone. The weekend is ending too soon.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:50

    Noooo, Doctor Who! The TV highlight since... well, the last Dr Who!!

    I feel like I get shunned when I tell people I just can't get into Dr Who, so I am glad I will be sleeping when you are all talking about it :D

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:51

    Um. What?

    It seems to produce useless drivers... the only decent graduate recently has been kobyashi and that series made him look rubbish.

    It doesnt seem all that suprising that Red Bull have given up on it and started bringing its drivers through other series...

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:51

    "I thought it looked cheap and gimmicky on TV"

    I understand that because when I got back I did wonder how you could get such a different view when watching it on the screen to actually being there...

    And probably the biggest disparity I have ever felt is watching Abu on TV....

    It came across as bland and santised whilst being there was not like that at all....

    If TV could get that fixed it would be fantastic!....

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:51

    *imagines Valencia with no refueling*

    No different to Valencia without refuelling. A long drawn out string of cars.

  • Kathi15/11/2009 at 13:51

    Kubica crashed out of the rally. Don't know how good he was doing before. Sorry :(

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:51

    I feel like I get shunned when I tell people I just can't get into Dr Who, so I am glad I will be sleeping when you are all talking about it :D

    I am with you on this...

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:51

    it looked nice in the photographs.

    You do have point with some photos - I just did not like - the buildings they were featureless blobs other than the lights - so what you have a hotel that has too much flashing lights.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:52

    Kubica crashed out of the rally. Don't know how good he was doing before. Sorry :(

    I didn't know he was in a rally! How exciting!

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:52

    I say a city evening skyline beats an LED hotel any time of the night (or day, for that matter).

    I say an awesome sunset beats a city skline you cant see because they wrapped the circuit in ugly concrete barriers

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:52

    I am with you on this...

    I blame the fact that as a kid I was literally scared of the theme tune. I used to run out of the room if it started because it was scary music. I don't think I've gotten over that fear. And if you can't get past the theme, how can you get into a show?

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 13:52

    It doesnt seem all that suprising that Red Bull have given up on it and started bringing its drivers through other series...

    Well, they got 1 hit - Vettel. And that's a heck of a lot better than many other academies that existed (except for the French Elf Academy of the 70s, of course - but they were just on another level)

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:53

    I say a city evening skyline beats an LED hotel any time of the night (or day, for that matter).

    i'd agree with that.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:53

    just found this: http://twitpic.com/pmjgs its the first computer i ever used. we still have the disks for it!

    Your first computer had disks? Mine had tapes.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:53

    And probably the biggest disparity I have ever felt is watching Abu on TV....

    I am still annoyed i havent had a chance to watch the BBC coverage :(

    I dont see why i shouldnt be able to download it

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:53

    Indeed, it ran MS Dos. so that tells you how old it is ;)

    I'm amazed you kept it!

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:54

    I blame the fact that as a kid I was literally scared of the theme tune. I used to run out of the room if it started because it was scary music. I don't think I've gotten over that fear. And if you can't get past the theme, how can you get into a show?

    i insist you do, else you're not the same as christine and that's just not right.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:54

    No different to Valencia without refuelling. A long drawn out string of cars.

    Refueling gave us *drama* this year...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 13:54

    I say a city evening skyline beats an LED hotel any time of the night (or day, for that matter).

    i'd agree with that.

    Singapore is pretty, has support and has potential to be decent, but needs major track revisions.

    I just can't see Valencia or Abu Dhabi getting to that level somehow.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 13:54

    "No, it implies that you can't judge it solely one way or the other. You're judging it from being there, we're judging it from TV. They are both valid opinions."

    Good...

    However I still think TV can go a lot further to get the actual race activity across....

    Maybe HD will be a start....

    I think I'll also market "Eau de Paddock" to spray around liberally whilst watching...

    It would, of course, be different for every race although the rubber and oil undertones wouldn't vary....

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 13:54

    I say an awesome sunset beats a city skline you cant see because they wrapped the circuit in ugly concrete barriers

    Not sure what you mean? I saw at least 3 camera views showing the evening skyline (usually down the back straight), a view from the ground of the track facing The Fullerton Hotel, another view facing the Sling and City Hall, plus more than a few views of the Flyer.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 13:54

    just found this: http://twitpic.com/pmjgs its the first computer i ever used. we still have the disks for it!

    Your first computer had disks? Mine had tapes.

    Yeah same here! Pfft!

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:55

    Singapore is pretty, has support and has potential to be decent, but needs major track revisions.

    i have faith. i thought they would flatten too many bumps, but they didn't.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:55

    I say a city evening skyline beats an LED hotel any time of the night (or day, for that matter).

    To me Singapore had contrasts and flavours with backdrops and and fore-drops like going past the river made really nice shots. Abu Dhabi was over the top and cheesesy at the same time. Looks an absolutely ghastly place. I can see going to Singapore but never to Abu Dhabi.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:55

    i insist you do, else you're not the same as christine and that's just not right.

    She doesn't like Harry Potter either.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:55

    I think I'll also market "Eau de Paddock" to spray around liberally whilst watching...

    It would, of course, be different for every race although the rubber and oil undertones wouldn't vary....

    i would buy that :)

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:55

    i insist you do, else you're not the same as christine and that's just not right.

    next you'll be telling me I have to read/watch Harry Potter. I refuse!

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 13:56

    Singapore is pretty, has support and has potential to be decent, but needs major track revisions.

    I think that's the major downside to Singapore - they can only do so much with the existing roads. I think they can revise the roads the circuit takes (ala Long Beach), but I'm not sure how willing they are to do that.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 13:56

    i have faith. i thought they would flatten too many bumps, but they didn't.

    indeed so! :D

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:56

    next you'll be telling me I have to read/watch Harry Potter. I refuse!

    #sameperson

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 13:56

    I blame the fact that as a kid I was literally scared of the theme tune. I used to run out of the room if it started because it was scary music. I don't think I've gotten over that fear. And if you can't get past the theme, how can you get into a show?

    I think i annoyed people when i said this last time...

    But i just dont get what he is doing/ what he is supposed to be doing/ what the story is

  • Kathi15/11/2009 at 13:56

    I didn't know he was in a rally! How exciting!

    Oh. Put this before my last comment then: Kubica is taking part in Sicily's Rally Taormina-Messina this weekend. He will be driving a Renault Clio R3.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:57

    I didn't know he was in a rally! How exciting!

    Oh. Put this before my last comment then: Kubica is taking part in Sicily's Rally Taormina-Messina this weekend. He will be driving a Renault Clio R3.

    :D :D

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 13:57

    Oh. Put this before my last comment then: Kubica is taking part in Sicily's Rally Taormina-Messina this weekend. He will be driving a Renault Clio R3.

    How nice of him to start promoting Renault before his contract even begins! ;)

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 13:57

    Oh. Put this before my last comment then: Kubica is taking part in Sicily's Rally Taormina-Messina this weekend. He will be driving a Renault Clio R3.

    :D

  • Kathi15/11/2009 at 13:57

    next you'll be telling me I have to read/watch Harry Potter. I refuse!

    #sameperson

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 13:58

    But i just dont get what he is doing/ what he is supposed to be doing/ what the story is

    I know that he sometimes looks different and when that happens he gets a new scarf. Dr Who scarves are very long. I have knitted one for a friend. It almost killed me.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 13:58

    How nice of him to start promoting Renault before his contract even begins! ;)

    Well he was dumped by BMW and Fernando has already visited the Ferrari home.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 13:59

    I say a city evening skyline beats an LED hotel any time of the night (or day, for that matter).

    I couldn't really see a skyline though.

    Abu Dhabi had a sunset.

  • me15/11/2009 at 13:59

    I know that he sometimes looks different and when that happens he gets a new scarf. Dr Who scarves are very long. I have knitted one for a friend. It almost killed me.

    i still insist you stay up and watch it.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 14:00

    I think i annoyed people when i said this last time...

    I don't think you annoyed anyone, although your argument was a bit weird because you were fine with LOST but thought Doctor Who was confusing.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:00

    I couldn't really see a skyline though.

    Abu Dhabi had a sunset.

    I remember they showed more than a few shots of it generously throughout the weekend.

    Abu Dhabi's sunset was great, the architecture besides the hotel not so much...

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:01

    i still insist you stay up and watch it.

    I may be easily swayed with some things, but once I decide I don't like a TV show/film/book I will never NEVER go near it. Never. Ever.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:01

    But i just dont get what he is doing/ what he is supposed to be doing/ what the story is

    Special dude goes in blue box, does timey wimey stuff, fights badeys, falls for woman, then fights big bad enemy.

    Whats not to get! :P

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:01

    Um. What?

    It seems to produce useless drivers... the only decent graduate recently has been kobyashi and that series made him look rubbish.

    It doesnt seem all that suprising that Red Bull have given up on it and started bringing its drivers through other series...

    That wasn't was was said though. You suggested it wasn't acting as a feeder series by getting drivers into F1, when clearly it is. Drivers are getting hired from GP2. Whether they are good or not is a different argument :-)

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:01

    Special dude goes in blue box, does timey wimey stuff, fights badeys, falls for woman, then fights big bad enemy.

    Whats not to get! :P

    has he travelled to dubai yet?

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:01

    No different to Valencia without refuelling. A long drawn out string of cars.

    err, "with"

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 14:02

    I couldn't really see a skyline though.

    Abu Dhabi had a sunset.

    Oh that was nice - pity about the boring track and tinsel like blob shaped buildings.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 14:02

    has he travelled to dubai yet?

    He has.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 14:02

    i insist you do, else you're not the same as christine and that's just not right.

    next you'll be telling me I have to read/watch Harry Potter. I refuse!

    Poor you!

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:02

    Whats not to get! :P

    I don't get why the baddies (or what I assume are the baddies) are little robots that remind me of R2D2. He ain't scary! He just bleep-boop-bleeps!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:02

    has he travelled to dubai yet?

    Tere are some periods of history that even the doctor cannot change. abu Dhabi is one of them.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:03

    I don't get why the baddies (or what I assume are the baddies) are little robots that remind me of R2D2. He ain't scary! He just bleep-boop-bleeps!

    Brilliant comment. :D

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:03

    I don't get why the baddies (or what I assume are the baddies) are little robots that remind me of R2D2. He ain't scary! He just bleep-boop-bleeps!

    you know they make dr. who in colour now, don't you?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:03

    I don't get why the baddies (or what I assume are the baddies) are little robots that remind me of R2D2. He ain't scary! He just bleep-boop-bleeps!

    Rose put her hands on a Dalek and IT AWOKE EVERY DALEK IN THE UNIVERSE.

    Madness.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 14:04

    Tere are some periods of history that even the doctor cannot change. abu Dhabi is one of them.

    :D

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:04

    Tere are some periods of history that even the doctor cannot change. abu Dhabi is one of them.

    :D

    :D

    :D

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:06

    Rose put her hands on a Dalek and IT AWOKE EVERY DALEK IN THE UNIVERSE.

    she's not Rose. She's Billie 'do you have a girlfriend? you're looking real cool, can I have your number?' Piper. Cannot take her seriously as an actress.

    Just like Marky Mark. Everytime I see him in something, I'm like 'ooh where's the Funky Bunch?'

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:07

    I'm amazed you kept it!

    Its a piece of history. I want to boot it up but it apparently needs a disk (which I don't know) and I don't have a non-USB keyboard.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:08

    she's not Rose. She's Billie 'do you have a girlfriend? you're looking real cool, can I have your number?' Piper. Cannot take her seriously as an actress.

    Just like Marky Mark. Everytime I see him in something, I'm like 'ooh where's the Funky Bunch?'

    Like Bruce Willis in Friends or Barbara Windsor in Eastenders.

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:09

    He has.

    has he?

  • Kathi15/11/2009 at 14:09

    I think you can follow the rally here

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:10

    Like Bruce Willis in Friends or Barbara Windsor in Eastenders.

    I too am just a love machine.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 14:10

    has he?

    Planet of the Dead was filmed in Dubai.

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:10

    she's not Rose. She's Billie 'do you have a girlfriend? you're looking real cool, can I have your number?' Piper. Cannot take her seriously as an actress.

    Just like Marky Mark. Everytime I see him in something, I'm like 'ooh where's the Funky Bunch?'

    i like that you are prepared to believe waking one dalek will wake all of them in whole universe, but you aren't prepared to believe billie became an adult.

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:11

    Planet of the Dead was filmed in Dubai.

    Ah of course. I was thinking there was an actual story in Dubai.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:11

    i like that you are prepared to believe waking one dalek will wake all of them in whole universe, but you aren't prepared to believe billie became an adult.

    I can knit a Dalek. http://www.entropyhouse.com/penwiper/who/extermaknit.html I cannot knit a Billie. I just learned that her pop career was more successful in New Zealand than it was in England. God, the 90s were so good.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:12

    Special dude goes in blue box, does timey wimey stuff, fights badeys, falls for woman, then fights big bad enemy.

    Whats not to get! :P

    I get that... But Why!!!!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:12

    I get that... But Why!!!!

    Why not!! if I had a blue box that could fly through space, fight robotic dudes and get into awkward situations, I'd film it for the BBC too!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:13

    I can knit a Dalek. http://www.ent.../who/extermaknit.html

    Looks like The Wombles had a great party last night

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:13

    Why not!! if I had a blue box that could fly through space, fight robotic dudes and get into awkward situations, I'd film it for the BBC too!

    :)

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:14

    which reminds me, I wasn't here when it happened but I heartily approve of Christine's dancing to Miami. Fantastic song.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:14

    Why not!! if I had a blue box that could fly through space, fight robotic dudes and get into awkward situations, I'd film it for the BBC too!

    Wouldnt you be tempted to just go forward in time and watch yourdelf do it instead?

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:14

    I get that... But Why!!!!

    I wonder why as well sometimes. then I remember David Tennant and I suddenly don't care ;)

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:15

    which reminds me, I wasn't here when it happened but I heartily approve of Christine's dancing to Miami. Fantastic song.

    Bienvenido a Miami! :D

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:15

    Looks like The Wombles had a great party last night

    you know who is better than this Dr guy? Super Womble. He can fly, he can swim, he's a hero, he's got X-ray sight!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:15

    Wouldnt you be tempted to just go forward in time and watch yourdelf do it instead?

    I think I would go back in time and warn the world of Michael Schumacher myself

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:16

    Bienvenido a Miami! :D

    my flatmate from 2006 texts me that almost every time she goes drinking.

  • Kathi15/11/2009 at 14:16

    Hah! Found it. Kubica was 9th (of 73) on ss1 and 17th on ss2. He crashed out of ss3 (of 8). Not bad, besides the crashing of course.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:16

    Lunchtime... soup I think.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:16

    my flatmate from 2006 texts me that almost every time she goes drinking.

    :D :D

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:17

    Hah! Found it. Kubica was 9th (of 73) on ss1 and 17th on ss2. He crashed out of ss3 (of 8). Not bad, besides the crashing of course.

    That doesnt bode well for the start of his renault career!

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:20

    which reminds me, I wasn't here when it happened but I heartily approve of Christine's dancing to Miami. Fantastic song.

    The only allowable Will Smith song is Summertime by Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince. I'll accept Boom Shake the Room when very drunk.

    Didn't he used to talk about a wiki? Wiki wiki.. He was ahead of his time.

  • Janna15/11/2009 at 14:20

    you know who is better than this Dr guy? Super Womble. He can fly, he can swim, he's a hero, he's got X-ray sight!

    "His muscles make you envy him, his speed is super quick, he's so good looking it really makes you sick"- Seems to me this could apply to both :)

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:20

    gosh now you've got me listening to Wombles songs on youtube to erase the pain of my parents "losing" their Wombles LP. It was my favourite as a child. Then it disappeared. It's 1am, and I should be sleeping but this is way better. I still know all the words!

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:20

    Didn't he used to talk about a wiki? Wiki wiki.. He was ahead of his time.

    :D

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:21

    now here's a pic of a man I never thought would go anywhere near NASCAR:

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80161

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:21

    gosh now you've got me listening to Wombles songs on youtube to erase the pain of my parents "losing" their Wombles LP. It was my favourite as a child. Then it disappeared. It's 1am, and I should be sleeping but this is way better. I still know all the words!

    a couple more hours and you can watch dr. who.

  • RG15/11/2009 at 14:21

    now here's a pic of a man I never thought would go anywhere near NASCAR:

    http://www.aut...s/report.php/id/80161

    I'm trying to imagine a Trulli Train in NASCAR.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:21

    The only allowable Will Smith song is Summertime by Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince. I'll accept Boom Shake the Room when very drunk.

    Didn't he used to talk about a wiki? Wiki wiki.. He was ahead of his time.

    you should also accept Will 2K from the album Willennium. If that's not a pun and a half, I don't know what is.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:22

    a couple more hours and you can watch dr. who.

    you'll never win

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:23

    now here's a pic of a man I never thought would go anywhere near NASCAR:

    http://www.aut...s/report.php/id/80161

    Oh god I can see it now

    'Trulli loses NASCAR drive, blames Sutil'

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:23

    spookily he also talks of Miami..

    "Absolutely not," said Trulli. "I have no business in Europe apart from the vineyard that my father runs. Racing is racing. We travel a lot around the world, I like living in the US, I have already an apartment in Miami, so that's never been a problem to think about my career.

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:23

    you'll never win

    we shall ;)

    i think live commenting will be done in here so you may have no choice :P

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:23

    I'm trying to imagine a Trulli Train in NASCAR.

    It's not as if they do it every week already. ;) Mind you, if Trulli tried it, someone would probably end up wrecking him... :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 14:23

    now here's a pic of a man I never thought would go anywhere near NASCAR:

    http://www.aut...s/report.php/id/80161

    Yeah but think about it... he's already shown he can bad mouth people and start fights with the helmets on - and he is capable of leading a long line... so why not???

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:23

    i think live commenting will be done in here so you may have no choice :P

    I will be asleep by then!

  • RG15/11/2009 at 14:24

    It's not as if they do it every week already. ;) Mind you, if Trulli tried it, someone would probably end up wrecking him... :D

    'Sutil is set to turn his back on F1 and join NASCAR'

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:24

    I'm trying to imagine a Trulli Train in NASCAR.

    A lot harder to acheive on an oval..

    But he should be set up nicely for 2010 wherever he lands, he's already got lots of experience of driving with heavy tanks

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:24

    Yeah but think about it... he's already shown he can bad mouth people and start fights with the helmets on - and he is capable of leading a long line... so why not???

    I think he should just give in and admit his desire to become a train driver

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:26

    #forChristine

    Rob Alert: (well Rob, Felipe and Fernando) http://www.flickr.com/photos/fasterinside/4105980318/

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:27

    Rob Alert: (well Rob, Felipe and Fernando) http://www.fli...terinside/4105980318/

    "Just don't go in that car. It's been jinxed by Luca and Giancarlo"

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 14:28

    I watched Cars after work, and I read through the comments. I appreciated the first mention of PEET STOP being tagged #forAmy :D

    And now, I actually shall go to bed and have happy dreams that it's finally Pearl Jam week!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 14:28

    Rob Alert: (well Rob, Felipe and Fernando) http://www.fli...terinside/4105980318/

    The three amigos.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:28

    I watched Cars after work, and I read through the comments. I appreciated the first mention of PEET STOP being tagged #forAmy :D

    And now, I actually shall go to bed and have happy dreams that it's finally Pearl Jam week!

    Night!

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:28

    The three amigos.

    Odd man out?

  • RG15/11/2009 at 14:29

    I watched Cars after work, and I read through the comments. I appreciated the first mention of PEET STOP being tagged #forAmy :D

    And now, I actually shall go to bed and have happy dreams that it's finally Pearl Jam week!

    Byeee.

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:29

    Odd man out?

    Three's a crowd? And all other similar cliches. ;)

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:29

    Rob Alert: (well Rob, Felipe and Fernando) http://www.fli...terinside/4105980318/

    The three amigos.

    it made me really happy seeing all three of them.

    Felipe and Fernando http://www.flickr.com/photos/fasterinside/4105980540/

    I don't think there will be any problems between them next year.

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 14:29

    Rob is saying (whilst protecting his more vunerable areas)...

    "You can have this nice little corner of the garage Fernando... where you can sit quietly and not get in Felipe's way".....

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:29

    I watched Cars after work, and I read through the comments. I appreciated the first mention of PEET STOP being tagged #forAmy :D

    And now, I actually shall go to bed and have happy dreams that it's finally Pearl Jam week!

    hehe night!

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 14:31

    I watched Cars after work, and I read through the comments. I appreciated the first mention of PEET STOP being tagged #forAmy :D

    And now, I actually shall go to bed and have happy dreams that it's finally Pearl Jam week!

    Night

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:31

    Rob Alert: (well Rob, Felipe and Fernando) http://www.fli...terinside/4105980318/

    Rob: I might be smiling now Fernando, but you see that front tyre? I am personally going to ensure it has a pin in front of it at every single race.... every single one.

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:32

    Why is everyone so sure Rob and Felipe are out to get Fernando?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:33

    Why is everyone so sure Rob and Felipe are out to get Fernando?

    I blame Ron Dennis myself

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:33

    I watched Cars after work, and I read through the comments. I appreciated the first mention of PEET STOP being tagged #forAmy :D

    And now, I actually shall go to bed and have happy dreams that it's finally Pearl Jam week!

    Night Amy. :)

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:33

    Why is everyone so sure Rob and Felipe are out to get Fernando?

    (see Nurburgring 2007)

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 14:33

    "Why is everyone so sure Rob and Felipe are out to get Fernando?"

    Do unto others as they are certainly going to do to you...

    But do it first....

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:34

    (see Nurburgring 2007)

    I saw it ;) racing incident. They will get on fine.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:35

    Why is everyone so sure Rob and Felipe are out to get Fernando?

    Why wouldnt they... he seems really easy to wind up...

  • Alex Andronov15/11/2009 at 14:36

    I am having a productive afternoon... I'm half way through Rock Band Beatles edition on Medium. It suggested I should take a break, but I Feel Fine!

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:37

    I saw it ;) racing incident. They will get on fine.

    They seem to differ, as you would've seen at the post-race blue room...

    The only shred of evidence that tells me they could get on well is Alonso picking Massa over Hamilton. Common hatred does not kinship make. ;)

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:38

    I am having a productive afternoon... I'm half way through Rock Band Beatles edition on Medium. It suggested I should take a break, but I Feel Fine!

    It suggested you take a break?

    I knew rock band/ guitar hero werent real games!

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:38

    Why wouldnt they... he seems really easy to wind up...

    He's a passionate racing driver and will voice his opinion. I just think people are unfair on Fernando.

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 14:38

    I'm trying to imagine a Trulli Train in NASCAR.

    We know who will have the most poles. I still am trying to organize the info for my analysis - that Truli out-qualifies compares to his race pace is such an under-statement. No wonder the Trului train is another variable used in the team strategies.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:39

    I am having a productive afternoon... I'm half way through Rock Band Beatles edition on Medium. It suggested I should take a break, but I Feel Fine!

    Just don't keep playing until the early hours of the morning or you'll be thinking 'Here Comes the Sun!' I'm not surprised you're doing well, I Should Have Known Better

  • Lady Snowcat15/11/2009 at 14:39

    "I just think people are unfair on Fernando"

    Or vice versa.....

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 14:39

    Damn, now I want to play it.

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:40

    They seem to differ, as you would've seen at the post-race blue room...

    It was Felipe that got worked up about the incident because of some damage to both cars as result of Fernando overtaking him.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:40

    He's a passionate racing driver and will voice his opinion. I just think people are unfair on Fernando.

    I think hes arrogant, and crumbles at the prospect of partnering a strong teammate.

    Not a great deal of evidence to support that, and i am sure he has had a sports psychologist help him to get him ready to take on felipe, but next year should be interesting...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 14:41

    I think hes arrogant, and crumbles at the prospect of partnering a strong teammate.

    A lot of racing drivers are arrogant, but I think that this time he knows what he is getting into Re: his teammate.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 14:43

    Now that the clock for Sidepodfilmclub is redundant, any thoughts on what we can fill the Factbyte Factbox with during the off season?

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:44

    A lot of racing drivers are arrogant, but I think that this time he knows what he is getting into Re: his teammate.

    Does he? ...Rob is good, i think he will be working him over already.

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:44

    I think hes arrogant, and crumbles at the prospect of partnering a strong teammate.

    I think Lewis is arrogant at times but then so are many racing drivers. Only two races should "crumbling" USA and Canada, being fed up stuck right behind his team mate when he was faster and Canada when he tried to get past Lewis but it backfired.

    If Fernando hadn't have done that and sat in second he would have been champion in 2007.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:44

    Now that the clock for Sidepodfilmclub is redundant, any thoughts on what we can fill the Factbyte Factbox with during the off season?

    Clock to Dr Who?

    Clock to Bahrain?

    Clock to Christmas?

    Rockall weather?

  • RG15/11/2009 at 14:45

    Now that the clock for Sidepodfilmclub is redundant, any thoughts on what we can fill the Factbyte Factbox with during the off season?

    A count of how many people ask 'Is it nearly Bahrain?'

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:47

    Now that the clock for Sidepodfilmclub is redundant, any thoughts on what we can fill the Factbyte Factbox with during the off season?

    Clock to the Christmas party, or to Christmas itself. ;)

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:47

    A count of how many people ask 'Is it nearly Bahrain?'

    I could do that when i get to Dubai... Its nearly Bahrain, but slightly different ;)

  • Rich15/11/2009 at 14:47

    I think hes arrogant, and crumbles at the prospect of partnering a strong teammate.

    One think everyone said that Fernado was not prepared to have Kovy as a team mate. He must have a weaker driver to show his talent. He is now teaming up with Felipe. Now IF Felipe returns to his original form Fernando is going to have a torrid time. Over the last three seasons Felipe has scored more points per race than any other driver (if you standardise and compare only races he drove in). I wonder if there is no a tougher team mate to have.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 14:48

    A lot of racing drivers are arrogant, but I think that this time he knows what he is getting into Re: his teammate.

    Does he? ...Rob is good, i think he will be working him over already.

    Sorry I don't follow?

    And who is Anando's engineer anyway?

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 14:49

    Sorry I don't follow?

    Getting in his head?

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:50

    One think everyone said that Fernado was not prepared to have Kovy as a team mate.

    Thats only a rumor though, I think Kovy went the other way as part of the deal.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 14:50

    Sorry I don't follow?

    Getting in his head?

    You think so?

  • Journeyer15/11/2009 at 14:50

    And who is Anando's engineer anyway?

    I would guess it's della Serra, Kimi's 2009 engineer.

  • James15/11/2009 at 14:51

    Getting in his head?

    2007 was a lesson for Fernando, he is more prepared for any "games".

  • me15/11/2009 at 14:52

    One think everyone said that Fernado was not prepared to have Kovy as a team mate.

    hehe. that's akin to being scared of the dark isn't it.

  • Kathi15/11/2009 at 15:26

    He's a passionate racing driver and will voice his opinion. I just think people are unfair on Fernando.

    I'm more worried about Massa starting a fight than Fernando

  • RG15/11/2009 at 15:34

    I bring F109 Game goodies

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xLyYT8a2eY (Quali at Singapore)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxpPtZAJoZo&feature=channel (Button at Silverstone)

    Singapore looks beautiful.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 15:39

    Singapore looks beautiful.

    YAY at being able tow atch sessions!! :)

    Hoping the steering isn't over sensitive with the wiimote though. Button video makes me wonder if it is...

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 15:42

    Hehehehe at Sutil's exit from the pitlane on the Qualifying video...

  • RG15/11/2009 at 15:44

    Hehehehe at Sutil's exit from the pitlane on the Qualifying video...

    Watching it all the way through, I was thinking, who is going to be the first person to do a Piquet at Singapore?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 15:44

    Watching it all the way through, I was thinking, who is going to be the first person to do a Piquet at Singapore?

    He was 9 seconds off the pace...

    ...and STILL faster than Piquet

  • James15/11/2009 at 15:45

    I bring F109 Game goodies

    http://www.you...m/watch?v=1xLyYT8a2eY (Quali at Singapore)

    http://www.you...o&feature=channel (Button at Silverstone)

    Singapore looks beautiful.

    I need a wii :(

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 15:57

    I bring F109 Game goodies

    Ah, cheers.

    I'm not a fan of the engine sound.. and it looks very sensitive unless the driver is hopeless!

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 16:07

    Watching Licence to Le Mans on Dave. All about Lord Drayson racing in the ALMS.

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 16:11

    By the way, I did the Nurburgring endurance event on Forza 3 last night. 187kms = 9 laps of the old Nordscheleife in the Acura LMP1. Ended up winning by over just over 4 1/2 minutes with a best lap of 6'12. Was knackered after that.

    Just to put into perspective, the official all time lap record around the old 'Ring was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 - 6'11.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 16:23

    *puts on pinger hat*

    http://sidepodcast.com/2009/11/15/things-i-learnt-from-watching-franck/

  • James15/11/2009 at 16:34

    *puts on pinger hat*

    http://sidepod...from-watching-franck/

    what happened to the pinger?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 16:34

    It's only half 4? Cmon time. Hurry up :(

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 16:35

    what happened to the pinger?

    It must be sulking.

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 16:35

    I think I've found what Mr C's day job is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n51fs/Gigglebiz_Episode_20/

    Look out for the Rapids Johnson segment :)

  • James15/11/2009 at 16:35

    It's only half 4? Cmon time. Hurry up :(

    Two and half hours!! :D

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 16:40

    Just to put into perspective, the official all time lap record around the old 'Ring was set by Stefan Bellof in 1983 - 6'11.

    Just don't take any overtaking lessons from him, Scott...

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 16:52

    #DoctorWho

    I might've posted it last week, I'm not sure, but I've been watching Dr Who videos after reading Christine's blog post and it ended up in me going back to watching the Tom Baker/Jon Culshaw interview :D

    Also, new look for STYA! Awesome!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 16:55

    Also, new look for STYA! Awesome!

    Hehe, yup, still tweaking it, but it's getting there.

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:08

    Am quite excited by the prospect of old Whos on YouTube.

    Since Mrs C is abroad with work until Friday, I'd been considering devoting one evening this week to a viewing of my DVD of Dalek Invasion of Earth. Or is that a sad and unproductive use of time?

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 17:10

    Since Mrs C is abroad with work until Friday, I'd been considering devoting one evening this week to a viewing of my DVD of Dalek Invasion of Earth. Or is that a sad and unproductive use of time?

    Everyone should be allowed one Doctor Who evening a week, I say.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:11

    Since Mrs C is abroad with work until Friday, I'd been considering devoting one evening this week to a viewing of my DVD of Dalek Invasion of Earth. Or is that a sad and unproductive use of time?

    of course it isn't. How else are you going to get ideas to prepare yourself for the next Dalek invasion?

    Hey all btw

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 17:12

    Am quite excited by the prospect of old Whos on YouTube.

    Is the first episode on there?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:12

    Everyone should be allowed one Doctor Who evening a week, I say.

    The iPlayer contibutes greatly towards this for me :P

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 17:13

    The iPlayer contibutes greatly towards this for me :P

    Oh yes. I had to watch the desert one recently to make sure I was prepared for today.

  • emily15/11/2009 at 17:14

    Oh yes. I had to watch the desert one recently to make sure I was prepared for today.

    *is not here*

    hehe you guys sound as excited about Dr Who this evening as Emily is, she seems to be counting down until it's on. i on the other hand, whilst being excited am ploughing through work :(

  • lou15/11/2009 at 17:15

    emily stole my laptop last night! that was me.. not here

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 17:15

    *is not here*

    hehe you guys sound as excited about Dr Who this evening as Emily is, she seems to be counting down until it's on. i on the other hand, whilst being excited am ploughing through work :(

    Emily exists in the 4th person?

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:15

    Anyone got a fave 'old Who' yarn? Partial to the Caves of Androzani myself; Robots of Death would be better if you couldn't see the Marigold logos on the robots' gloves.

  • lou15/11/2009 at 17:16

    Emily exists in the 4th person?

    i'd forgotten she'd been using my laptop to comment last night.. silly me.

  • me15/11/2009 at 17:16

    ....would be better if you couldn't see the Marigold logos on the robots' gloves.

    !!

    :)

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:17

    Anyone got a fave 'old Who' yarn?

    I am ashamed to say I've only seen the new series and the Dr who movie. I have seen clips of older episodes though. Blink was very good, as was Turn Left.

  • Nick15/11/2009 at 17:18

    i'd forgotten she'd been using my laptop to comment last night.. silly me.

    hehe, how was the film last night? did it go better than the previous attempt?

  • guille230615/11/2009 at 17:18

    afternoon all.

    I've never seen Dr. Who, so I'm not excited about today (not living in the UK is probably the reason ;-) ). I hope you enjoy it!

    If the old series is in you tube, where should I start?

  • lou15/11/2009 at 17:20

    hehe, how was the film last night? did it go better than the previous attempt?

    i didn't see cars, she just used my laptop to make a few comments while i was getting ready to go out..

    anyway... i'm not here... i have work to do... Christine help me!!!

    i'll be back maybe for Dr Who... lol xx

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 17:20

    anyway... i'm not here... i have work to do... Christine help me!!!

    Shoo!

  • me15/11/2009 at 17:20

    Anyone got a fave 'old Who' yarn?

    I am ashamed to say I've only seen the new series and the Dr who movie. I have seen clips of older episodes though. Blink was very good, as was Turn Left.

    i only saw them when ukgold used to re-run black and white episodes on a sunday morning.

    i find nothing is very scary on a sunday morning :(

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:21

    i find nothing is very scary on a sunday morning :(

    Rugrats terrified me sometimes as a 6 year old

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:21

    afternoon all.

    If the old series is in you tube, where should I start?

    With some Tom Bakers...

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:21

    With some Tom Bakers...

    any recomendations?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:22

    Who in Formula 1 would make a good 'Doctor'?

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:23

    Who in Formula 1 would make a good 'Doctor'?

    Remembers Jenson button picture...

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:23

    Remembers Jenson button picture...

    Oh I'm gonna have to dig that out now

    #sorryLou

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:24

    any recomendations?

    Ones from his first three seasons are good. Then Mary Whitehouse started getting a bit heavy and a new producer came in who tried to inject some 'comedy' - only really succeeded when they hired Douglas Adams as script editor.

    Special effects are generally cheap and cheerless. The giant rat in Talons of Weng-Chiang spoils an otherwise excellent yarn.

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:25

    Who in Formula 1 would make a good 'Doctor'?

    Got to be Ross Brawn. Same knowledge of everything that's about to happen. He only needs a scarf.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:27

    any recomendations?

    I've given up looking. All I can find are clips that people have edited the special effects on to make them more realistic.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:28

    Oh I'm gonna have to dig that out now

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukehmuse/4105708709/

    :D

  • RG15/11/2009 at 17:28

    Apparantly, according to sky sports news, mclaren have interviewed nick heidfeld.

  • me15/11/2009 at 17:29

    Apparantly, according to sky sports news, mclaren have interviewed nick heidfeld.

    interviewed? is he going for a factory position?

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:29

    All I can find are clips that people have edited the special effects on to make them more realistic.

    These people have too much free time.

    In other news, we used to have a peculiar and obscure Dr Who in-joke on F1R; if the author of a piece didn't want it to run under their byline (for whatever reason), we would credit it to Robert Holmes, who was one of the more prolific scriptwriters (he died in 1985/86, so couldn't take issue).

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:30

    interviewed? is he going for a factory position?

    They may soon have some vacancies for boring Germans...

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:36

    I am ashamed to say I've only seen the new series and the Dr who movie. I have seen clips of older episodes though. Blink was very good, as was Turn Left.

    I'm very much the same. although i didn't like Eccleston that much. going to be odd to see Tennant replaced by Smith.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 17:38

    I'm very much the same. although i didn't like Eccleston that much. going to be odd to see Tennant replaced by Smith.

    He's too young.

    #gettingold

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:38

    Hehe, yup, still tweaking it, but it's getting there.

    very nice ;)

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:38

    I'm very much the same. although i didn't like Eccleston that much. going to be odd to see Tennant replaced by Smith.

    Agreed. But I was at an interview with Steven Moffat a few weeks ago and he was saying that Matt has been amazing in filming so far

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:39

    Also, new look for STYA! Awesome!

    I may have gone mad, but what is STYA?

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:39

    Agreed. But I was at an interview with Steven Moffat a few weeks ago and he was saying that Matt has been amazing in filming so far

    From what i've seen pic wise. he is very expressive and very doctorish. i just have a dislike for his outfit. he does look good in Tennant's gear,

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:40

    I may have gone mad, but what is STYA?

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:41

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/

    Ah, ok. Never seen people abbreviate it before.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:42

    Ah, ok. Never seen people abbreviate it before.

    You know, I've never known what GMTV means. I know the TV bit means Television, but I've never worked out the GM

    It's one M short of a disaster though

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 17:42

    From what i've seen pic wise. he is very expressive and very doctorish. i just have a dislike for his outfit. he does look good in Tennant's gear,

    Rolled up trousers. *sobs*

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:44

    Rolled up trousers. *sobs*

    :)

    now this i like (spoilers) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/SspthH300hI/AAAAAAAAIkA/F63DY-y8UsE/s1600-h/who_filming_0ct5_pic2.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KTJWhtuRLac/SspKNU03tgI/AAAAAAAAIjw/30HvQTF9FQ8/s1600-h/jerky-spasms.jpg

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 17:45

    Ah, ok. Never seen people abbreviate it before.

    I may have introduced that recently as I am quite lazy and regretting choosing such a long domain name.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:46

    Well I think Ross Brawn would make an awesome Doctor

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/lukehmuse/4106519204/in/set-72157622808592874/

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:47

    Well I think Ross Brawn would make an awesome Doctor

    http://www.fli...et-72157622808592874/

    :)

    looking a lot thinner mind ;)

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:47

    looking a lot thinner mind ;)

    He got in shape for the role, fair play to him

  • RG15/11/2009 at 17:48

    Well I think Ross Brawn would make an awesome Doctor

    http://www.fli...et-72157622808592874/

    I like the fact it might just work.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:49

    I like the fact it might just work.

    Like Stuart said, he man knows everything that's about to happen!

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 17:50

    I may have just bought the 3 doctors on itunes...

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 17:51

    I have successfully done nothing all day. This was not the plan but I am a lot more relaxed than I was. I've been a dozy mood. This may or may not be related to the wine last night.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 17:51

    I may have just bought the 3 doctors on itunes...

    Oooh, very good!

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:54

    I can't believe I just did this: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/284/mosley.jpg

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:54

    I may have just bought the 3 doctors on itunes...

    Fabulous!

    On the other hand, now I know you can get Who on iTunes... #theregoestheharddrive

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:54

    I can't believe I just did this: http://img263....img263/284/mosley.jpg

    Hahahahahaha :D

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 17:55

    I can't believe I just did this: http://img263....img263/284/mosley.jpg

    :-)

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:55

    I can't believe I just did this: http://img263....img263/284/mosley.jpg

    He could play The Master

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 17:55

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/

    Since I have a mild hangover and I seem to have experience of heavier ones, I left a comment on that..

  • James15/11/2009 at 17:56

    Hahahahahaha :D

    I can't look at Matt Smith in the same way now.

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:56

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doctor_Who_The_Three_Doctors.jpg

    I used to have the edition with this cover!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 17:56

    I can't look at Matt Smith in the same way now.

    Maybe if Mr Smith isn't popular they can voice him over with Tom Baker

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 17:57

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Doctor_Who_The_Three_Doctors.jpg

    I think I broke the doohickey

  • me15/11/2009 at 17:58

    I think I broke the doohickey

    yikes!

  • me15/11/2009 at 18:02

    apparently, "return of the mack" also induces baloo-esque dance moves in our house!

    here i'dis.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 18:03

    apparently, "return of the mack" also induces baloo-esque dance moves in our house!

    Shut it!

    Actually, it's a bit slow. It's like being Baloo in slow motion.

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 18:03

    apparently, "return of the mack" also induces baloo-esque dance moves in our house!

    *runs away*

  • Stuart C15/11/2009 at 18:04

    Right, I'm off to make pre-Who dinner and open pre-Who wine.

    Audi-os!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:05

    apparently, "return of the mack" also induces baloo-esque dance moves in our house!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFcoC1FJOhA

    Scat dat daddat bap bap dodbooby doop

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:07

    He could play The Master

    Indeed he could ;) http://twitpic.com/pnerp

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:09

    I think I should stop now :)

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:10

    I think I should stop now :)

    Scaro'd for life, I am.

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:10

    Scaro'd for life, I am.

    Hmm who could play Davros....

    :P

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 18:10

    Scaro'd for life, I am.

    groan...

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:13

    groan...

    :D

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:15

    hehehee, a picture of Luca Di Longname getting Felipe and Alonso stuck in gravel :)

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 18:16

    hehehee, a picture of Luca Di Longname getting Felipe and Alonso stuck in gravel :)

    good start for Alonso...

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:17

    #sorryLukeh

    http://twitpic.com/png1y

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 18:17

    ARE WE EXCITED?!?! :D :D

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:18

    #sorryLukeh

    That's far too comfortably in how well they go together :P

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:19

    That's far too comfortably in how well they go together :P

    hehe indeed. i really have stopped this time.

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 18:22

    Just did the 9 lap 'Ring enduro again, this time with a setup on the Acura which I found on the Storefront. Managed to lap the entire field including the diesel R10 and 908. Best lap this time was 5'55, with lap times always between 6'00 and 6'10.

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:24

    hehehee, a picture of Luca Di Longname getting Felipe and Alonso stuck in gravel :)

    what was Fernando wearing?

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 18:25

    what was Fernando wearing?

    we were aaaaaaaaaall thinking that too

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:26

    what was Fernando wearing?

    Looks like he came for a round of golf.

    Still got stuck in the bunker, mind.

  • guille230615/11/2009 at 18:27

    what was Fernando wearing?

    Probably it's the redest thing Renault would let him wear until the end of the year. Not much better than the orange-yellow ING things...

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:28

    Still got stuck in the bunker, mind.

    :D

  • guille230615/11/2009 at 18:29

    This is under the 'promotional event' rule, I guess...

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:30

    This is under the 'promotional event' rule, I guess...

    anything to get Badoer away from the back of the pack!!

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:33

    This is under the 'promotional event' rule, I guess...

    I see two F60's and two F2008's :D

  • guille230615/11/2009 at 18:36

    I see two F60's and two F2008's :D

    then two were promotional, the other two were old, maybe there were also young drivers so they could use the three exceptions to the test rules in a single day ;-)

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:38

    then two were promotional, the other two were old, maybe there were also young drivers so they could use the three exceptions to the test rules in a single day ;-)

    what benift do Ferrai get our testing last years car and this years which was awful?

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 18:39

    what benift do Ferrai get our testing last years car and this years which was awful?

    they're ferrari, they'll find some way

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 18:40

    they're ferrari, they'll find some way

    aaand what i meant by that is that a formula one team as good and experience as ferrari will be able to get something from running last years car if they wanted to

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:41

    they're ferrari, they'll find some way

    :)

    good to see felipe driving his car again. i hope a picture of that ends up on the big picture ;)

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:43

    i wonder if anyone can get the right year for all these? http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/11/15/alonso-gets-ferrari-stuck-in-gravel-trap-in-first-appearance-for-team-pictures/ferrari_world_finals_2009-50/

  • me15/11/2009 at 18:44

    i wonder if anyone can get the right year for all these? http://www.f1f...world_finals_2009-50/

    oh lordy, y'all must be bored ;)

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:45

    oh lordy, y'all must be bored ;)

    passing the time until doctor who starts ;)

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 18:45

    oh lordy, y'all must be bored ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5YA0Uq2wXM

    :D

  • me15/11/2009 at 18:45

    passing the time until doctor who starts ;)

    hmm. must find something to occupy you all.

  • me15/11/2009 at 18:45
  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 18:47

    Evening all

  • guille230615/11/2009 at 18:48

    hi steven

  • me15/11/2009 at 18:49

    to occupy you all until dr. who:

    http://sidepodcast.com/2009/11/15/farcical-front-flap-adjustments/

    enjoy!

  • James15/11/2009 at 18:50

    Hmm I'm starting to think my parents are aiming for dinner whilst Doctor Who is on. I think they do it intentionally sometimes :(

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 18:51

    With just ten minutes to go, I'm worried that this Dr Who is going to be rrrrubbish. It's been built up so much and it's not quite the end one yet. Is it going to be one of those ones there just to pass the time until the real good ones?

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 18:52

    Am I the only person here who doesn't watch Dr Who? I gave up on it years ago

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 18:52

    With just ten minutes to go, I'm worried that this Dr Who is going to be rrrrubbish. It's been built up so much and it's not quite the end one yet. Is it going to be one of those ones there just to pass the time until the real good ones?

    not from the photos I've seen etc. I recon it won't be the best Russel T Davis has ever done, but it'll be better than the Easter one.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 18:52

    http://www.you...m/watch?v=h5YA0Uq2wXM

    I found this the other day

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjJRZafALsk

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:53

    With just ten minutes to go, I'm worried that this Dr Who is going to be rrrrubbish. It's been built up so much and it's not quite the end one yet. Is it going to be one of those ones there just to pass the time until the real good ones?

    Nooo, don't think that!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:53

    I found this the other day

    http://www.you...m/watch?v=ZjJRZafALsk

    again, as I said last time, BRILLIANT

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 18:54

    again, as I said last time, BRILLIANT

    I am not biased btw

  • guille230615/11/2009 at 18:55

    Am I the only person here who doesn't watch Dr Who? I gave up on it years ago

    I don't watch it also (on the other hand, I don't have access to it... :P )

    anyway, a late lunch is waiting for me. see you and enjoy the show!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 18:55

    Am I the only person here who doesn't watch Dr Who? I gave up on it years ago

    You are not. Amy and Nick also don't like it.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 18:55

    Bye Guille

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 18:56

    You are not. Amy and Nick also don't like it.

    Phew

  • RG15/11/2009 at 18:56

    I don't watch it also (on the other hand, I don't have access to it... :P )

    anyway, a late lunch is waiting for me. see you and enjoy the show!

    See ya mate.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 18:57

    Am I the only person here who doesn't watch Dr Who? I gave up on it years ago

    Evening. I'm in two minds. Some of the new era stuff is good fun and is well written, some of it I don't like at all. I will have this one on but I'm not going to be sat down watching intently.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 18:57

    I don't watch it also (on the other hand, I don't have access to it... :P )

    anyway, a late lunch is waiting for me. see you and enjoy the show!

    bye

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 18:58

    Right, I'm going to be watching the show, so I'll basically be away for an hour. See you guys later!

  • me15/11/2009 at 18:58

    You are not. Amy and Nick also don't like it.

    Phew

    am being productive and blogging a lot.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 18:59

    Evening. I'm in two minds. Some of the new era stuff is good fun and is well written, some of it I don't like at all. I will have this one on but I'm not going to be sat down watching intently.

    ooh, Five are showing The Towering Inferno...

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:02

    Doctor Whoooooooo - Doctor Who - Doctor Whoooooooooooooooooooo - The daleks

    etc

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 19:03

    from the QI elves @qikipedia

    Doctor Who themed fact for @mastermike. "Dalek" is Croatian for "Far-away thing."

  • Lewis15/11/2009 at 19:03

    Evening all! Been on a tournof Wembley Stadium for a relative's birthday. It was really great!

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 19:05

    he looks like Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall.

  • RG15/11/2009 at 19:05

    he looks like Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall.

    Oh phew, not the only one thinking that.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:06

    he looks like Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall.

    Heh!

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 19:06

    Evening all! Been on a tournof Wembley Stadium for a relative's birthday. It was really great!

    Big innit

  • Lewis15/11/2009 at 19:07

    Lots and lots of stairs!

    Big innit

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:19

    Why does the Aussie guy remind me of Mark Webber?

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:21

    go go gadget!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:27

    I think p'raps I won't ever drink water again.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:27

    This is spoooky

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:27

    I think p'raps I won't ever drink water again.

    s'ok, they never made their way back to earth

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:28

    s'ok, they never made their way back to earth

    although maybe they do.

    will get back to you

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:28

    I think p'raps I won't ever drink water again.

    I'm not going to eat a carrot again!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:28

    will get back to you

    :)

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:29

    I'm not going to eat a carrot again!

    Good point! It all started from the pesky orange thing.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:29

    "Certain moments are fixed"

    See, what did I tell you earlier about Abu Dhabi

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:29

    Clearly they never listened to their parents advice....

    Always boil water before you drink it..

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:29

    "Certain moments are fixed"

    See, what did I tell you earlier about Abu Dhabi

    Piquet? Singapore? :D

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:30

    Piquet? Singapore? :D

    Hahaha :)

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:30

    Piquet? Singapore? :D

    brilliant!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:32

    He is clearly making these places up.

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:33

    He is clearly making these places up.

    I am not very good at geography, so I believe him.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:33

    He is clearly making these places up.

    I worked that out when Christopher Eccleston came up with Raxacoricofallapatorius!

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:33

    I worked that out when Christopher Eccleston came up with Raxacoricofallapatorius!

    I may have googled that...

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:33

    Hoorah! You can now drink water again

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:34

    Mark Webber guy is in cruise control now

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:34

    I may have googled that...

    I was gonna say!!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:34

    Gotta have big tubs of ice cream for the journey home.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:35

    he's got a serious dribbling issue

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:35

    I may have googled that...

    I was gonna say!!

    I learnt to pronounce it a few years ago, but I still can't spell it! (I got quite bored a while back...)

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:35

    I learnt to pronounce it a few years ago, but I still can't spell it! (I got quite bored a while back...)

    Hehe, me too. I can't understand why it took Billie so long.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:36

    Don't just stand there!!!!!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:36

    Don't just stand there!!!!!

    wasss he goonnna do!!

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:36

    Don't just stand there!!!!!

    It's Dr Who. EVERYONE except the doctor and his assistant are idiots!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:37

    Now is not the time for giant tubs of ice cream actually

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:37

    20 minutes let! Whats gonnna happen?!?

  • RG15/11/2009 at 19:39

    Is that the spacesuit used in the Satan's Pit and all?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:39

    Is that the spacesuit used in the Satan's Pit and all?

    Looks like it.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:40

    Is that the spacesuit used in the Satan's Pit and all?

    yup. seems like he nicked it from that story!

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:45

    why doesn't he turn the radio off?

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:45

    why doesn't he turn the radio off?

    was just thinking the same thing

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:45

    why doesn't he turn the radio off?

    Mars FM isn't broadcasting I guess

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:46

    I am mightelly confused

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:46

    why doesn't he turn the radio off?

    Same reason he said he was leaving about six times before he actually did, I would think.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:46

    :( :(

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:48

    Ah this is the RTD moment as I call it...

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:48

    HAHAHA

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:48

    Woot, 4 knocks :)

    We all know what that means!

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:48

    ...he's gone mad...

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:49

    Unhinged doctor is scary!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:49

    Unhinged doctor is scary!

    I know!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:49

    We all know what that means!

    indeeeeeeed we do. and ive seen pictures. its aaaaall true :D

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:49

    indeeeeeeed we do. and ive seen pictures. its aaaaall true :D

    Shh

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:50

    Shh

    i meant none of it, nothing

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:51

    I know!

    I quite like it though.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:51

    i meant none of it, nothing

    :P

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 19:52

    He even has wild professor hair.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:52

    Doctor should get a job in animatronics or whatever it's called, his control is fabulous

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:53

    What happened?!!!!!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:53

    YAY!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:55

    Thats it, run away in a place you don't know. Clever

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:56

    I don't like the Doctor anymore :(

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 19:56

    He's gone mad with power!!!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:58

    yes, yes you have

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 19:59

    that was just wierd

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 19:59

    the cloister bell!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:00

    WILF!!!!!!!!!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:00

    yesssssssssssssssssss

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:00

    WILF!!!!!!!!!

    i love that guy

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:00

    oh my goooooooooooooood.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:01

    *switches to confidential*

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 20:01

    Ah, that was good. My fears were unfounded.

  • RG15/11/2009 at 20:01

    That guy (I know who he is, just avoiding spoilers here) really has changed his look.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:02

    That guy (I know who he is, just avoiding spoilers here) really has changed his look.

    The hoodie doesn't work for him, I fear

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:02

    Ah, that was good. My fears were unfounded.

    It was very very good! And sad :(

    WILF!!!!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:02

    The hoodie doesn't work for him, I fear

    or the hair

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 20:02

    It was very very good! And sad :(

    I am very sad that the lovely doctor is now completely mental. But it might be easier to say goodbye to him that way.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:03

    WILF!!!!

    My who-vian friend sent me pics of him in filming a few months ago

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:03

    I am very sad that the lovely doctor is now completely mental. But it might be easier to say goodbye to him that way.

    Ooh good point...

  • RG15/11/2009 at 20:04

    I am very sad that the lovely doctor is now completely mental. But it might be easier to say goodbye to him that way.

    Am I the only one who likes him this way? More exciting.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:04

    Confidential to 9pm, Top Gear 'til 10. Sorted

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:04

    Confidential to 9pm, Top Gear 'til 10. Sorted

    agreed

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:05

    Am I the only one who likes him this way? More exciting.

    It's interesting. You have no idea what he's going to do next!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 20:05

    Am I the only one who likes him this way? More exciting.

    Unhinged doctor is definitely interesting. But lovely doctor is lovely. Either way is good :)

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:06

    Now I need a bath but secretly I know it's because my mind needs to chill out after being unable to comprehend 1 hour of sheer awesome.

    But... so much water... I don't trust the bath!!!

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 20:07

    But... so much water... I don't trust the bath!!!

    You will need to keep commenting from the bath so we know you are okay!

  • RG15/11/2009 at 20:07

    But... so much water... I don't trust the bath!!!

    Just stay where you are, for like forever please.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 20:08

    #sidepodspace update

    T-23 and a half hours ish and everything is still looking good. There are no technical issues and weather at the launch sites and the trans-Atlantic abort sites is looking very good. Still 90% at the launch site. Should the launch not go ahead there is a 70% chance of good weather if there is a 24 hour turnaround.

    We may see a launch go first time unbelievably although it is already a week behind its original schedule so all is well with the world.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:09

    HAH! I've just realised where the ending street was filmed!! It's a street just around the corner from work in the city centre of Newport, my mum's just come up screaming it at me :P

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:09

    HAH! I've just realised where the ending street was filmed!! It's a street just around the corner from work in the city centre of Newport, my mum's just come up screaming it at me :P

    Of course, this is just delaying me from the water...

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:10

    Of course, this is just delaying me from the water...

    Don't drink it.

    Don't even touch it

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 20:10

    Of course, this is just delaying me from the water...

    I just realised I'm making pasta for dinner, which also requires water.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:11

    I just realised I'm making pasta for dinner, which also requires water.

    It's 'Blink' all over again!

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:11

    I just realised I'm making pasta for dinner, which also requires water.

    phone for a pizza. You're still eating italian, but no water involved!

  • James15/11/2009 at 20:16

    so did everyone enjoy doctor who? :)

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:16

    so did everyone enjoy doctor who? :)

    mmmmm

  • RG15/11/2009 at 20:17

    so did everyone enjoy doctor who? :)

    The first 40 minutes and the last 7/8 minutes of it, yes.

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:17

    so did everyone enjoy doctor who? :)

    loved it. Much better than the Easter episode

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 20:17

    so did everyone enjoy doctor who? :)

    I have blogged it, if anyone wants to leave their thoughts on what we just witnessed:

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/2009/11/15/immediate-thoughts-on-the-water-of-mars/

  • Christine15/11/2009 at 20:17

    loved it. Much better than the Easter episode

    +1

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:17

    The first 40 minutes and the last 7/8 minutes of it, yes.

    what did the middle 13/12 minutes to do you?

  • James15/11/2009 at 20:19

    so did everyone enjoy doctor who? :)

    I have blogged it, if anyone wants to leave their thoughts on what we just witnessed:

    http://smarter...on-the-water-of-mars/

    Will do ;)

  • RG15/11/2009 at 20:19

    what did the middle 13/12 minutes to do you?

    Just seemed to be the typical, 'Heroics', people saved etc. Something new please, which was given in the last 7/8 mins of it.

  • lou15/11/2009 at 20:20

    so did everyone enjoy doctor who? :)

    emily and I both <3 David Tennant!!!!

  • Lukuurrhghh15/11/2009 at 20:21

    Glug glug glogoggygg glgospst tsshhhhhhh

  • RG15/11/2009 at 20:22

    Glug glug glogoggygg glgospst tsshhhhhhh

    Right, everyone, as the good doctor says himself

    Run.

  • James15/11/2009 at 20:22

    emily and I both <3 David Tennant!!!!

    as do i ;)

  • James15/11/2009 at 20:23

    Will do ;)

    I just re-read my comment. clearly i'm not easily pleased

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:23

    Nah, that bath proved that it was actually really filmed on Mars rather than South Wales. The water was fine. Phew.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 20:24

    #sidepodspace

    Unlike previous missions there is no single major objective for this mission but they are doing a whole load of minor tasks. Assuming the launch goes ahead tomorrow the first spacewalk will be on Friday. This spacewalk will install an antenna, lubricate the payload orbital replacement system attachment(no idea what that is yet) and do install some parts that will be left on the Japanese robotic arm to be used by the next shuttle crew on one of their spacewalks.

    The second spacewalk is on Monday and they will pick the ELC2 (cargo container) from the shuttle payload bay and dock it to the ISS to be unloaded. They also have a load of minor tasks including installing ham radio equipment.

    The third and final spacewalk is schedulaed for Wednesday 25th when they will again tackle multiple taks including the installation of a high pressure oxygen gas tank.

  • lou15/11/2009 at 20:24

    HAH! I've just realised where the ending street was filmed!! It's a street just around the corner from work in the city centre of Newport, my mum's just come up screaming it at me :P

    you mean you were that close to David tennant and you didn't take a photo! Lol

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:25

    Nah, that bath proved that it was actually really filmed on Mars rather than South Wales. The water was fine. Phew.

    Fastest bath ever?

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:26

    you mean you were that close to David tennant and you didn't take a photo! Lol

    Nooo, I didnt see them. I'd have one if I new! At least half of Dr Who is filmed in Newport, the rest in Cardiff and the odd bit in London and Bristol. I've seen the trailer thingies of Catherine tate about ages ago before but never got to see the man himself :(

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:28

    anyone else thinks gadget looks like walle?

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:28

    anyone else thinks gadget looks like walle?

    I thought that

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:29

    Inspector Gadget on Confidential :)

    anyone else thinks gadget looks like walle?

    Reminds me of the robot from that other robot film... the one Wal-e is absed on... Johnny 5 i think?

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 20:29

    hehe confidential are playing the inspector gadget theme to introduce gadget!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:29

    Reminds me of the robot from that other robot film... the one Wal-e is absed on... Johnny 5 i think?

    Short Circuit is the film I'm thinking of. I'm sure the robot's name is Johnny 5...

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 20:29

    Reminds me of the robot from that other robot film... the one Wal-e is absed on... Johnny 5 i think?

    INPUT

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 20:30

    Short Circuit is the film I'm thinking of. I'm sure the robot's name is Johnny 5...

    Yep. Loved that film!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:32

    I'll be disappointed if we don't get to Mars by 2058, but releived if nothing happens in 2059

  • me15/11/2009 at 20:32

    am having a good day blogging:

    http://sidepodcast.com/2009/11/15/3d-formula-one-goes-virtual-insanity/

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:33

    am having a good day blogging:

    almost Joe-esque in output :P

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:38

    I LOVE THIS SONG!

  • James15/11/2009 at 20:39

    I LOVE THIS SONG!

    which one is that then Jon?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 20:42

    Just joined iRacing. It's really good, but as it's only one race per hour, you get bored waiting for the next one to come along!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:43

    which one is that then Jon?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOEfvMMcw_A&feature=related

    TUNE

  • me15/11/2009 at 20:45

    almost Joe-esque in output :P

    might try and squeeze one more in.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 20:47

    Just joined iRacing. It's really good, but as it's only one race per hour, you get bored waiting for the next one to come along!

    How much is it and what spec computer do you need?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 20:51

    Just joined iRacing. It's really good, but as it's only one race per hour, you get bored waiting for the next one to come along!

    How much is it and what spec computer do you need?

    I joined for a month to try it out (the price changes the longer you subscribe for) and my computer is 3 and a half years old, but at the time of purchase was a bespoke games machine.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 20:54

    I joined for a month to try it out (the price changes the longer you subscribe for) and my computer is 3 and a half years old, but at the time of purchase was a bespoke games machine.

    Should hopefully work on mine then :-)

    I just need to buy a new wheel..

    Keep us updated on whether its worth it?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)15/11/2009 at 20:55

    I joined for a month to try it out (the price changes the longer you subscribe for) and my computer is 3 and a half years old, but at the time of purchase was a bespoke games machine.

    Should hopefully work on mine then :-)

    I just need to buy a new wheel..

    Keep us updated on whether its worth it?

    Will do - it's alright so far, not the least of which because there's decent grids in each race...

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 20:56

    Phew! Got a Dr Who related blog post on before Top Gear... :)

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 20:59

    Oh my goodness. If you are a doctor who fan. You NEED to watch Confidential, (thats confidential not #confidential)

    ITS AMAAZING

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:00

    Top Gear! Wooo! :D

  • James15/11/2009 at 21:01

    Oh my goodness. If you are a doctor who fan. You NEED to watch Confidential, (thats confidential not #confidential)

    ITS AMAAZING

    Is it something that can wait a week. or should i stay up and watch it tonight?

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:01

    Is it something that can wait a week. or should i stay up and watch it tonight?

    ummm. i'd watch it asap

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 21:01

    ummm. i'd watch it asap

    I was watching it and I didnt notice anything new?

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:02

    I was watching it and I didnt notice anything new?

    just looked amazing for next episode. cant wait

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:02

    Romania? Erm.

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:04

    DACIA SANDERO! :D

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 21:04

    DACIA SANDERO! :D

    great! now...

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:07

    HAHAHA! Richard's Satnav woman is hilarious :D

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 21:09

    HAHAHA! Richard's Satnav woman is hilarious :D

    1..1..1..1.. :P

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 21:09

    1..1..1..1.. :P

    calling Vernon Kay!

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:12

    James is getting directions! :D

  • RG15/11/2009 at 21:16

    Pretty much a underground Monaco.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 21:16

    I love how his 'decibelometer' is an iPhone app

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:17

    Romanian Top Gear?

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 21:17

    This is basically an advert for the Dacia Sandero...

  • James15/11/2009 at 21:18

    what is with their love of the sandero?

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 21:18

    what is with their love of the sandero?

    I think it is irony

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:23

    that was quite predictable

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 21:24

    Heeehehehe :D

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 21:24

    I think it needs a little more work...

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:24

    Heeehehehe :D

    Brilliant :D

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:25

    James on the track again?

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:25

    Twin turbo 6.0L V12? Yikes!

  • James15/11/2009 at 21:26

    James on the track again?

    Indeed. good song as well :D

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:29

    That is the most obviously rehersed thing EVER. i know it all is, but it was soooo scripted what he was saying

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 21:29

    That is the most obviously rehersed thing EVER. i know it all is, but it was soooo scripted what he was saying

    TG scripted? Surely you jest good sir

    ;)

    Still entertaining.

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:30

    That is the most obviously rehersed thing EVER. i know it all is, but it was soooo scripted what he was saying

    Who cares if it's scripted? It's still good TV :D

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:30

    Who cares if it's scripted? It's still good TV :D

    nah, usually you know it is, but it was SO bad. me not like

  • James15/11/2009 at 21:31

    nah, usually you know it is, but it was SO bad. me not like

    agreed.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 21:34

    That is the most obviously rehersed thing EVER. i know it all is, but it was soooo scripted what he was saying

    So? It is an entertainment show. Most entertainment shows are scripted and rehearsed.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:34

    I love eric banna

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 21:39

    Argh... for some reason my comment jumped from thread to thread... my previous comment was supposed to be on 3D formula 1...

    Sorry :(

  • me15/11/2009 at 21:40

    Sorry :(

    i fix.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:43

    that be predictable

  • RG15/11/2009 at 21:44

    that be predictable

    The fact that Jeremy can't do maths by putting .5 under .6?

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 21:45

    The fact that Jeremy can't do maths by putting .5 under .6?

    that being a racing driver, he was going to be darn good

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:46

    James has a Dacia Sandero now! :D

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:48

    James has a Dacia Sandero now! :D

    Or was.

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:49

    Or was.

    did have*

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:57

    Look at that road!

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 21:57

    Hermann, are you watching?

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:58

    You know in some of the driving there, they got professional drivers in wigs to do it instead?

  • Chris15/11/2009 at 21:59

    You know in some of the driving there, they got professional drivers in wigs to do it instead?

    I can believe that...

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 21:59

    I can believe that...

    Look on YouTube, there's videos of the driving there!

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 22:00

    Tiff Needell getting a mention on Top Gear?

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:02

    Tiff Needell getting a mention on Top Gear?

    Well, he did use to present it. And he is in Clarkson's new DVD with VB-H.

  • me15/11/2009 at 22:02

    Well, he did use to present it. And he is in Clarkson's new DVD with VB-H.

    wwwwwha?

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 22:02

    wwwwwha?

    see. DVD. if you wanna see it, you has to buy it in actual physical form ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:02

    wwwwwha?

    S'true.

  • me15/11/2009 at 22:03

    see. DVD. if you wanna see it, you has to buy it in actual physical form ;)

    pah.

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:03

    see. DVD. if you wanna see it, you has to buy it in actual physical form ;)

    Or you could cheat and watch it on YT.

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 22:03

    i am almost an hour late to work. I blame the wombles.

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 22:05

    Well, he did use to present it. And he is in Clarkson's new DVD with VB-H.

    But he is the opposition now and after barely a mention in years he gets equal billing with the Stig as the greatest authority on car performance. Is he moving back to the BBC? #GMM

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 22:06

    wwwwwha?

    Who said VB-H? You have set him off again

  • Andy Taylor15/11/2009 at 22:06

    i am almost an hour late to work. I blame the wombles.

    But they live half the world away.

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 22:06

    i am almost an hour late to work. I blame the wombles.

    oohhh dear

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 22:07

    i am almost an hour late to work. I blame the wombles.

    Tell them you worked so hard on Sunday that you slept in

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 22:08

    Facinating program on BBC4 about a project to use atom bombs to power rockets

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:11

    Who said VB-H? You have set him off again

    *sheepishly raises hand* I'll just go do some more laps of the 'Ring on Forza 3 now... *runs and hides behind a rock* :P

  • Amy15/11/2009 at 22:12

    i havent got an angry phone call from my boss yet which normally arrives within 10 minutes of the time im meant to be there. Its not helping that luca badoer is driving this tram. Faster luca!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 22:12

    *sheepishly raises hand* I'll just go do some more laps of the 'Ring on Forza 3 now... *runs and hides behind a rock* :P

    http://www.olganon.org/

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 22:13

    i havent got an angry phone call from my boss yet which normally arrives within 10 minutes of the time im meant to be there. Its not helping that luca badoer is driving this tram. Faster luca!

    Public transport + Badoer-style driver = UGGGHHH. I feel your pain. :(

  • lou15/11/2009 at 22:13

    Who said VB-H? You have set him off again

    :D haha

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:13

    http://www.olganon.org/

    I do go outside, you know...

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 22:20

    I do go outside, you know...

    hmm ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:21

    hmm ;)

    Very funny.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 22:22

    if you want to see it again, here's the Christmas Dr Who preview :)

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 22:23

    Very funny.

    ehehehe. just messing, i dont think your addiction is THAT bad. they seem to have some serious issues over there ehe

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 22:23

    ehehehe. just messing, i dont think your addiction is THAT bad. they seem to have some serious issues over there ehe

    Who says he's addicted? Can't someone enjoy a (bloody brilliant) game?

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:27

    ehehehe. just messing, i dont think your addiction is THAT bad. they seem to have some serious issues over there ehe

    I'm not someone who will stay on the 360 24 hours a day out of choice. If I've nothing better to do, then yes I'll play, but if I'm invited out anywhere or just want to go to the shop or the city or whatever, then that takes priority over a game. :P

  • Scott Woodwiss15/11/2009 at 22:27

    Who says he's addicted? Can't someone enjoy a (bloody brilliant) game?

    The man, he speaks the truth. :P

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 22:29

    Who says he's addicted? Can't someone enjoy a (bloody brilliant) game?

    im just messing :)

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 22:29

    im just messing :)

    Lies! Lies and slander! Next you'll be accusing me of being obsessed with muse.

    Ludicrous.

    ;)

  • RG15/11/2009 at 22:31

    Reet, bed. School in the morning. Shall be sleeping well me thinks. Bye. lotsa love.

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 22:32

    Reet, bed. School in the morning. Shall be sleeping well me thinks. Bye. lotsa love.

    See ya RG!

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 22:32

    Lies! Lies and slander! Next you'll be accusing me of being obsessed with muse.

    would have put you down as more of a girls aloud fan myself

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 22:32

    Reet, bed. School in the morning. Shall be sleeping well me thinks. Bye. lotsa love.

    adios mon amie

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 22:34

    would have put you down as more of a girls aloud fan myself

    My forbidden secret.....

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 22:56

    Evening all.

  • me15/11/2009 at 22:58

    Evening all.

    hey chap.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 23:02

    hey chap.

    Evening sir.

    How's things? Bit of a mental day here. I've got a list of blog posts I'd planned to write. Most of them are now out of date now....

    Still, good to have Top Gear back.

  • me15/11/2009 at 23:03

    How's things? Bit of a mental day here. I've got a list of blog posts I'd planned to write. Most of them are now out of date now....

    am good. have been blogging, am still blogging. do ya need some encouragement?

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 23:04

    am good. have been blogging, am still blogging. do ya need some encouragement?

    :) A little wouldn't hurt. It's MCM tomorrow after all.

    I could do with another weekend to catch up with everything really.

  • me15/11/2009 at 23:05

    I could do with another weekend to catch up with everything really.

    sounds like a good plan. how much time do you have?

  • Steven Roy15/11/2009 at 23:06

    To Mars by A-Bomb just finished on BBC 4. It should be on the iplayer tomorrow and is worth a watch for anyone interested in space. The plan was to launch rockets by dropping baby nuclear bombs several times a second and surfing on their shockwave. Brillian idea. Mental but brilliant.

    They do discuss how this could be the one technology that could stop a space rock that popped up on a collision course unexpectedly. Of course they didn't know about Bruce then.

  • me15/11/2009 at 23:07

    They do discuss how this could be the one technology that could stop a space rock that popped up on a collision course unexpectedly. Of course they didn't know about Bruce then.

    :)

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 23:11

    sounds like a good plan. how much time do you have?

    Now, about 15 mins (or until the NASCAR finishes)

    But I'll probably get up early tomorrow and do a couple. I want to blog about the ongoing Button-Brawn-Macca saga before it's too late.

    You and Christine planning on going to any of the pre-season tests? I'm thinking about it as the flights to Seville for Jerez are silly cheap. Not sure I could swing a paddock pass though but it's got to be worth a shout.

    Thinking of doing the first Jerez one if I can as with the limited testing I'd think there'd be a fair few car launches.

  • me15/11/2009 at 23:12

    You and Christine planning on going to any of the pre-season tests? I'm thinking about it as the flights to Seville for Jerez are silly cheap. Not sure I could swing a paddock pass though but it's got to be worth a shout.

    not looking that far ahead at the moment. will likely try and cover any uk straight-line test though.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 23:14

    not looking that far ahead at the moment. will likely try and cover any uk straight-line test though.

    Trying to be a bit more organised this year, been meaning to go for a couple of years, now F1TP's up and running I've got an excuse to go (Or that's what I'm telling myself)

  • Lukeh15/11/2009 at 23:20

    I'm gonna head off for the night. See ya guys.

  • me15/11/2009 at 23:20

    I'm gonna head off for the night. See ya guys.

    night lukeh.

  • Adie15/11/2009 at 23:23

    Right, that race is done and it's my cue to hit the sack.

    Goodnight all, sleep well the lot of 'ya!

    I'll drop by tomorrow if I get chance.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 23:24

    You and Christine planning on going to any of the pre-season tests? I'm thinking about it as the flights to Seville for Jerez are silly cheap. Not sure I could swing a paddock pass though but it's got to be worth a shout.

    Im thinking of trying to get to an F2 test in espania. that would be cool

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 23:24

    Goodnight all, sleep well the lot of 'ya!

    adios!

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 23:49

    I have just moved my computer desk to a different position. More space created in the living room. Although I ought to have started my revising.

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 23:53

    Am brain storming here. So please work with me.

    If you think about the motorsport industry and split it down into areas, as big or as small as you want?

    So, PR coudl be one, media could be another.

    also, what do those chucks really entail?

    any help is appreciated. ta

  • Pat W15/11/2009 at 23:57

    Am brain storming here. So please work with me.

    not really sure i understand

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 23:59

    not really sure i understand

    Imagine doing a big old mind map, or thought shower, or whatever you call it...

    with motorsport in the middle....the things coming off it are differnet areas in the industry...

    so

    Engineering - Motorsport - Pr

  • Jon Waldock15/11/2009 at 23:59

    Engineering - Motorsport - Pr

    but more indepth.

  • Pat W16/11/2009 at 00:03

    Imagine doing a big old mind map, or thought shower, or whatever you call it...

    with motorsport in the middle....the things coming off it are differnet areas in the industry...

    Commercial (sponsorship etc)

  • Pat W16/11/2009 at 00:05

    Media etc. - Specialist press, mainstream reporters, TV

  • Pat W16/11/2009 at 00:06

    I liked this from Peter @Serafinowicz

    "What comes after the Credit Crunch? (via @robcmorgan) The delicious Credit Caramel Centre."

  • Journeyer16/11/2009 at 00:09

    If you think about the motorsport industry and split it down into areas, as big or as small as you want?

    The major ones:

    1. Chassis production

    2. Engine production

    3. Electronics/telemetry

    4. R&D (Windtunnel/CFD)

    5. PR/Marketing

    The minor (niche) ones:

    5. Logistics (Catering/Offices)

    6. Administration (HR/Finance/Legal)

  • Journeyer16/11/2009 at 00:10

    The minor (niche) ones:

    5. Logistics (Catering/Offices)

    6. Administration (HR/Finance/Legal)

    Perhaps I'd move PR/Marketing here. :D

  • Jon Waldock16/11/2009 at 00:10

    Perhaps I'd move PR/Marketing here. :D

    really?!

  • Journeyer16/11/2009 at 00:11

    really?!

    It's minor in that you don't really need motorsport-specific specialists to do this, I think; you can get anyone from the PR/Marketing industry (regardless of previous industry of work) and you'll be fine.

  • Jon Waldock16/11/2009 at 00:13

    It's minor in that you don't really need motorsport-specific specialists to do this, I think; you can get anyone from the PR/Marketing industry (regardless of previous industry of work) and you'll be fine.

    ah ok, fair point.

  • Kathi16/11/2009 at 14:36

    I need help: I'm trying to reply to this comment.

    I have this so far:

    @ michael E

    The problem is that you have to pay that agency if you want those shiny news stories on your page but that agency keeps all the money to itself without reimbursing their sources.

    And on a side-note: On quite a few articles they got the translation from the foreign source wrong at least the ones from German and Finnish sources. Another thing is if you read an article and you see the source is The Sun or another tabloid you won't take it to seriously (at least I hope you won't) but do you know if for example Iltasanomat is a reliable newspaper? So 'news' from this Finnish tabloid suddenly gets spread all over the world and taken as fact when in reality it was just something someone made up to see his name printed.

    Is that factual correct? Especially the first part.

    And does it make sense?

  • me16/11/2009 at 14:40

    The problem is that you have to pay that agency if you want those shiny news stories on your page but that agency keeps all the money to itself without reimbursing their sources.

    agreed.

    And on a side-note: On quite a few articles they got the translation from the foreign source wrong at least the ones from German and Finnish sources. Another thing is if you read an article and you see the source is The Sun or another tabloid you won't take it to seriously (at least I hope you won't) but do you know if for example Iltasanomat is a reliable newspaper? So 'news' from this Finnish tabloid suddenly gets spread all over the world and taken as fact when in reality it was just something someone made up to see his name printed.

    very good point.

    Is that factual correct? Especially the first part.

    And does it make sense?

    yes.

  • Kathi16/11/2009 at 14:50

    yes.

    thanks. (and sorry I seem to live in the past :) )