The teams are threatening to pull out of the sport and we're hearing complaints about the budget caps all over the place. However, it's time to look to the positives, and see what else is happening following the Spanish GP:

  • Jake Humphrey discusses all things motorhome, and ignoring the fact that he walked into a door (it happens to everyone), he describes the Beeb's offering: "Ours has a little kitchen... some metal steps that have stripped the skin from everyone's shins and carpet on the walls... but it's a cosy home for our team and I think I'll grow to love it by the time we've lived here for a few races." Sounds... lovely.
  • Autosport have their Paddock Life edition out and it describes karting with Anthony Davidson, the motorhomes (of course), and an anonymous anecdote about a driver being lent a car over the break.
  • Ollie has a great caption contest up on BlogF1, which features a certain driver and is pretty topical considering the ongoing speculation about his commitment. If you're feeling particularly witty, head on over and leave a caption. Let us know if you do.

That'll do it for now. Apparently Ferrari are having a super-hasty and important meeting today, but who knows if we'll  hear anything from them. Hope to hear from you though, as I'll see you in the comments.

1307 responses

  • Journeyer11/05/2009 at 23:37

    Wow. Another early night for everyone? :D

  • Bassano Clapper11/05/2009 at 23:38

    Wow. Another early night for everyone? :D

    Sure is quiet isn't it?

  • Journeyer11/05/2009 at 23:40

    Sure is quiet isn't it?

    Yep - people have been sleeping earlier than usual lately. I used to catch up with you before you sleep. Now, all I see is an empty room...

  • Flibster11/05/2009 at 23:41

    Still about - but catching up on the work I should have been doing this morning, but was stuck in the office. :(

  • Journeyer11/05/2009 at 23:42

    Still about - but catching up on the work I should have been doing this morning, but was stuck in the office. :(

    You can't work in the office? Am confused...

  • Bassano Clapper11/05/2009 at 23:43

    Yep - people have been sleeping earlier than usual lately. I used to catch up with you before you sleep. Now, all I see is an empty room...

    Hmm, not sure why.

    Maybe it's driven by Mr C's late night activity around here

  • Flibster11/05/2009 at 23:43

    You can't work in the office? Am confused...

    Cant build the servers that are sat in my home office.

  • Steven Roy11/05/2009 at 23:44

    Sure is quiet isn't it?

    I think trying to keep up with Amy has broken everyone

  • Pat W11/05/2009 at 23:44

    Wow. Another early night for everyone? :D

    I've been working on my college project. Due in Thursday. Feel better for having actually done something to it now.. it has been sat here for days with nothing new added to it.

  • Pat W11/05/2009 at 23:45

    I've been working on my college project. Due in Thursday. Feel better for having actually done something to it now.. it has been sat here for days with nothing new added to it.

    I tried to do it over the weekend but only managed to write notes for it. Couldn't get the right words into the actual thing.

  • Journeyer11/05/2009 at 23:46

    I think trying to keep up with Amy has broken everyone

    Sure looks like it, yes. Good thing my timezone isn't very far from hers. :D

  • Journeyer11/05/2009 at 23:46

    I tried to do it over the weekend but only managed to write notes for it. Couldn't get the right words into the actual thing.

    Any progress is good progress. Don't let us distract you. :)

  • Pat W11/05/2009 at 23:47

    Any progress is good progress. Don't let us distract you. :)

    Closing doohickey and tweetdeck was the key :-)

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 00:48

    LOL

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 00:50

    LOL

    Not sure what's funny, Paul. Or did you just move pages? :)

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 00:52

    Not sure what's funny, Paul. Or did you just move pages? :)

    Woops, yes I did. I gotta watch the doohickey

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 00:54

    Woops, yes I did. I gotta watch the doohickey

    No worries. Just don't go moving back now. You know how Mr C is with that. :D Gets everyone to start commenting on this thread too. :)

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 00:57

    There is a sidepodcast facebook club thing but I have never used facebook so I don't know anything about it.

    I think Facebook is one of those "young person things", speaking as what my niece calls "an oldy".

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 01:00

    I think Facebook is one of those "young person things", speaking as what my niece calls "an oldy".

    Funnily enough, it's getting invaded by the not-so-young people now. Most of my older relatives (including my parents) use it. Me and my younger sis stay as far away from it as we can...

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 01:02

    Funnily enough, it's getting invaded by the not-so-young people now. Most of my older relatives (including my parents) use it. Me and my younger sis stay as far away from it as we can...

    Don't ya hate that? Like meeting your parents in a bar or something.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 01:03

    Don't ya hate that? Like meeting your parents in a bar or something.

    Oh yeah. That's why we're staying away from it. :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 01:45

    Some links are up. It's a work in progress. ;)

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 04:41

    Hey guy, good early morning from overpriced Paris airport :-)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 04:44

    Hey guy, good early morning from overpriced Paris airport :-)

    Bonjour, Wolf! En route to Spain?

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 04:46

    yep, 4 hours nothing to do before the next flight :-)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 04:50

    yep, 4 hours nothing to do before the next flight :-)

    Oooh... Ready for the trip of a lifetime? Surely this has to be bigger than attending a GP?

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 04:52

    Oooh... Ready for the trip of a lifetime? Surely this has to be bigger than attending a GP?

    probably :-) it kind of hit me when I bought the latest F1Racing at the airport in Hong Kong last night and so the Bacardi add with Schumi on the back of the cover. then I realized that tmr I will be in the car with that guy :-)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 04:57

    probably :-) it kind of hit me when I bought the latest F1Racing at the airport in Hong Kong last night and so the Bacardi add with Schumi on the back of the cover. then I realized that tmr I will be in the car with that guy :-)

    Pictures are required. :D Page 22 with Schumi is the goal - unlikely, but hey, you never know... :P Do you have an iPod loaded with Felipe Baby? Hahaha! :)

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 05:00

    Pictures are required. Page 22 with Schumi is the goal - unlikely, but hey, you never know... Do you have an iPod loaded with Felipe Baby? Hahaha!

    Nikon ready, video camera ready :-) and 2006 Chinese GP program ready too, that was the last time he won the race

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:01

    Nikon ready, video camera ready :-) and 2006 Chinese GP program ready too, that was the last time he won the race

    Ooooh... very good. :D No Page 22 or Felipe Baby, though? :( I'm sure his mentor would be amused by it... :D

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 05:06

    Ooooh... very good. No Page 22 or Felipe Baby, though? I'm sure his mentor would be amused by it...

    I forgot the Page 22 mag at home :-( but Felipe baby ... hm, will see :-) iPod with me ...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:09

    I forgot the Page 22 mag at home :-( but Felipe baby ... hm, will see :-) iPod with me ...

    Good, good. :D I think the issue with Page 22 is still on some stands in Europe, in case you want to give it a try. :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:12

    BTW, Wolf, how many winners are there?

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 05:16

    . then I realized that tmr I will be in the car with that guy :-)

    What a prize. You are living the dream of every F1 fan.

    Now if only you could keep the car :-)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 05:16

    i dont even like schumi but im jealous! Being driven broue by him is an experience that you will share with very few people on this earth and that is just incredible. Plus hey, free trip to spain?

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 05:18

    BTW, Wolf, how many winners are there?

    as far as I know 27 globally

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 05:18

    Plus hey, free trip to spain?

    Side trip to Monaco?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 05:19

    that was an epic misspelling of "driven around"

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 05:23

    Side trip to Monaco?

    not this time. went to Monaco in 2007, will take few years break before going back :-)

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 05:24

    not this time. went to Monaco in 2007, will take few years break before going back :-)

    Wow. I wish I could afford even the local race.

  • F1Wolf12/05/2009 at 05:27

    Wow. I wish I could afford even the local race.

    this is exactly the kind of message that Mr Ecclestone should be bombarded with every single day...

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 05:31

    the trick is to move to melbourne, living here makes the race cheaper ;) what do you mean thats obsessive? I think moving my entire life for one weekend a year was a good thing!

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 05:33

    the trick is to move to melbourne, living here makes the race cheaper ;) what do you mean thats obsessive? I think moving my entire life for one weekend a year was a good thing!

    Yeah not a bad idea, that's where I was born. Got a good job here unfortunately. It's actually all the "other costs" that make the race hard to get to. Still, next year is a must for me, already saving.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:34

    this is exactly the kind of message that Mr Ecclestone should be bombarded with every single day...

    He is, but he's not listening. :P

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:34

    the trick is to move to melbourne, living here makes the race cheaper ;) what do you mean thats obsessive? I think moving my entire life for one weekend a year was a good thing!

    :D Yes, you are a perfect fit for Sidepodcast, all right.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:35

    Yeah not a bad idea, that's where I was born. Got a good job here unfortunately. It's actually all the "other costs" that make the race hard to get to. Still, next year is a must for me, already saving.

    Like plane & accommodation? Good luck in saving up! :)

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 05:36

    this is exactly the kind of message that Mr Ecclestone should be bombarded with every single day...

    He is, but he's not listening. :P

    Simply doesn't care I think. He's pressing on with more of these new Asian GPs, with little hope of any local interest. It's becoming a purely made for TV sport.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 05:38

    Like plane & accommodation? Good luck in saving up! :)

    Exactly. It's not that for away, but everything adds up. Especially with my own little race car siphoning off all my spare cash.

  • Rocket12/05/2009 at 05:41

    Me. A few weeks ago I told you about a blog I read, written by the Beeb's host of F1GP on race day (whose name now escapes me) but I was unable to locate it for you. It turns out it was a different guy (I think) and have now found it. I notice you have a link in the daily to the current blog (by Jake Humphrey) so you have probably read it already anyway. So after that confusing explanation here's the link. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2009/04/hello_blog_12_1130_monday.html

  • Rocket12/05/2009 at 05:44

    Me. It seems I just got Jake's name wrong in the first place. Which is the reason I couldn't find it. I feel as though have dug a very big hole and am now burying myself so i should just stop......

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 05:53

    Like plane & accommodation? Good luck in saving up! :)

    Exactly. It's not that for away, but everything adds up. Especially with my own little race car siphoning off all my spare cash.

    Yeah. I was invited to the Italian Grand Prix but because I'm going to Le Mans already and want another holiday I'm going to have to pass on the chance this year...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 05:54

    http://mantovani.zip.net/arch2009-05-01_2009-05-31.html#2009_05-11_17_59_59-100063171-0

    Anybody link to Bruno yet? ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:55

    Anybody link to Bruno yet? ;)

    Nope. :)

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 05:55

    Anybody link to Bruno yet? ;)

    :-)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 05:56

    Nope. :)

    Nice pic! He didn't go for the obvious Rubens-Jenson theme. Massa looks pitiful there. :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 07:31

    It's darn quiet in here this morning, no? :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 07:34

    It's darn quiet in here this morning, no? :)

    The usual. Just started listening to the FIF1 podcast...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 07:38

    The usual. Just started listening to the FIF1 podcast...

    Oooh. Anything of interest? Any partisan defense of Sutil? I didn't listen to their Bahrain podcast because of that.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 07:41

    The usual. Just started listening to the FIF1 podcast...

    Oooh. Anything of interest? Any partisan defense of Sutil? I didn't listen to their Bahrain podcast because of that.

    Sutil didn't seem too bothered about the crash - he saw it as a racing incident and as he's unhurt, it's all OK...

    Fisi seemed to think he was one of the fastest at the end, probably because of the tyres...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 07:45

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/brawngp/5309522/Brawn-GP-did-not-give-team-orders.html

    David Coulthard's column. He said:

    As someone who knows a thing or two about "team orders", I would like to address the conspiracy theory that arose in the aftermath of Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix, when a clearly frustrated Rubens Barrichello appeared to hint that he may have been sacrificed in order to help Jenson Button's title charge. Frankly, I don't buy it for one second.

    It's a good read and I'm inclined to believe him. The team saw a better opportunity for Jenson and Rubens couldn't make his last set of tyres work. That is all :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 07:50

    Fisi seemed to think he was one of the fastest at the end, probably because of the tyres...

    Well, because he WAS one of the fastest. But he already lost too much time by then.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 07:54

    It's a good read and I'm inclined to believe him. The team saw a better opportunity for Jenson and Rubens couldn't make his last set of tyres work. That is all :)

    Yep, sure looks like it. :) See? Nothing to be suspicious of. Nice to see DC have an article not mentioning Red Bull and looking at other leading lights. :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 07:55

    It's a good read and I'm inclined to believe him. The team saw a better opportunity for Jenson and Rubens couldn't make his last set of tyres work. That is all :)

    Yep, sure looks like it. :) See? Nothing to be suspicious of. Nice to see DC have an article not mentioning Red Bull and looking at other leading lights. :D

    Hey, nothing wrong with DC mentioning Red Bull though - he is still a team member...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 07:56

    Fisi seemed to think he was one of the fastest at the end, probably because of the tyres...

    Well, because he WAS one of the fastest. But he already lost too much time by then.

    SO it's kinda pointless - a consolation goal, in effect ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 07:56

    Hey, nothing wrong with DC mentioning Red Bull though - he is still a team member...

    I'm not saying it's wrong - but I wouldn't want him to be talking about Red Bull all the time. :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 07:57

    SO it's kinda pointless - a consolation goal, in effect ;)

    Yep, you can say that. :) But there's no points for fastest lap - which he didn't even get. ;)

    Still, am hopeful that this pace will help Sutil score in Monaco. :D

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 07:58

    Well, Al Grogan wins the Drivers Championship on BatRacer, in a BMW! :D

    BMW also took the constructors, with the car that was supposed to be one of the slowest on the grid.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 07:59

    Well done, Al!

    And we thought Scott would pull it off from pole... ;) Did he finish 2nd ahead of Lou?

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 08:03

    Well done, Al!

    And we thought Scott would pull it off from pole... ;) Did he finish 2nd ahead of Lou?

    Abu Dhabi Race (Point Scoring Positions)

    1st Grogan

    2nd McCarthy

    3rd Woodwiss

    4th Van Spaandonck

    5th Matthews

    6th Johnson

    7th Brunell

    8th Fibster

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 08:04

    Well, Al Grogan wins the Drivers Championship on BatRacer, in a BMW! :D

    BMW also took the constructors, with the car that was supposed to be one of the slowest on the grid.

    Only in BATracer could that happen! Well done guys ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:05

    :( Damn brake problem forcing me to pit

    Well done Al anyways :)

    Oh and morning all :)

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 08:06

    Journeyer, I added your first comment to your wiki page.

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:08

    BMW also took the constructors, with the car that was supposed to be one of the slowest on the grid.

    Those guys know what they are doing, simlple as ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 08:08

    Morning to those who have just arrived!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:09

    Right, quick check - who's up for F1 1999?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:09

    Well done Al anyways :)

    And good job to Lou for fighting her way back to 6th - a great drive. :)

    BMW winning will make RG very happy. Maybe Dr Mario should hire Al. ;)

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 08:10

    Those guys know what they are doing, simlple as ;)

    Yes we do :P

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:10

    Journeyer, I added your first comment to your wiki page.

    Thanks! What a bland first comment, though - I'm not sure the video is even up anymore. :D And true enough, it's not. ;)

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 08:11

    Right, quick check - who's up for F1 1999?

    Sure thing, perhaps I should team with someone other than Al this time or keep us together seeing as we work so well?

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:11

    Right, quick check - who's up for F1 1999?

    sign me up scotty :P

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:13

    Yes we do :P

    aha! may I ask which of the winning duo you are? bear in mind that if you say James Matthews I will moan at you for edging me out for 4th ;)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 08:13

    hooray just got home from work to find f1 racing in the mailbox. My night is planned out now :D

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 08:14

    aha! may I ask which of the winning duo you are? bear in mind that if you say James Matthews I will moan at you for edging me out for 4th ;)

    I am Matthews :P

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:14

    aha! may I ask which of the winning duo you are? bear in mind that if you say James Matthews I will moan at you for edging me out for 4th

    It IS James :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:15

    I am Matthews :P

    [Insert generic moan followed by grudgingly given congratulations]

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:15

    hooray just got home from work to find f1 racing in the mailbox. My night is planned out now :D

    Good on ya, Amy! What's on the cover?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 08:17

    Good on ya, Amy! What's on the cover?

    cover is identical to the UK one except it says 'brawn gp exclusive' instead of 'inside brawn gp' and its issue 146 instead of 159 :D

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:17

    OK, here it is:

    http://batracer.com/-cj?&D&40677

    Password is tatohead ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:18

    Password is tatohead ;)

    Buemi?? Hehe. :D

    Should be interesting to see who will join Jordan, Stewart, and... gasp! BAR. ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:19

    cover is identical to the UK one except it says 'brawn gp exclusive' instead of 'inside brawn gp' and its issue 146 instead of 159 :D

    oooh... will definitely buy that, then! ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:19

    Should be interesting to see who will join Jordan, Stewart, and... gasp! BAR.

    I've already bagged a Stewart ;)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 08:19

    sidepodspace update:

    just turned on my tv, homer simpson is going into space.

    "3, 2, 1 make rocket go now"

    perhaps not quite the same as the launch i slept through.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:21

    In my opinion, F1 1999 is the closest carset/season out of all of them. Seeing as there were many teams who managed to get to or were near the front.

    Plus, I'm credited as one of the main contributors :D

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 08:21

    I've already bagged a Stewart ;)

    And I've taken a Jordan, I've password protected the other seat. Want to see if Al is intrested first.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:22

    And I've taken a Jordan, I've password protected the other seat. Want to see if Al is intrested first.

    Flibster's also taken a McLaren too.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 08:22

    In my opinion, F1 1999 is the closest carset/season out of all of them. Seeing as there were many teams who managed to get to or were near the front.

    I'll sit this one out, I got a little bored with the repetition of BATracer towards the end

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:22

    Plus, I'm credited as one of the main contributors :D

    Coolness! McLaren, Ferrari, Jordan, Stewart, and Williams are all solid teams to join. Even Sauber and Prost bagged a podium that year. BAR will be an interesting prospect... ;)

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 08:24

    Flibster's also taken a McLaren too.

    Yup.

    Wonder who'll be my teammate.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:24

    Coolness! McLaren, Ferrari, Jordan, Stewart, and Williams are all solid teams to join. Even Sauber and Prost bagged a podium that year. BAR will be an interesting prospect...

    Don't forget Benetton too. Fisi was on course to win at the Nurburgring had his headrest not come loose and caused him to spin off.

    Mind you, Wurz did describe it as his least favourite car...

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:26

    Plus, I'm credited as one of the main contributors :D

    So you are!

    Iv gone for Ferrari again, cant disappoint the tifosi can I?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:26

    Don't forget Benetton too. Fisi was on course to win at the Nurburgring had his headrest not come loose and caused him to spin off.

    Oh yeah! So 8 out of the 11 teams are going to be competitive. ;)

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 08:28

    All this talk of the Sidepodcast BatRacer games, I've forgotten to check my other games :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:28

    Oh yeah! So 8 out of the 11 teams are going to be competitive. ;)

    why dont you have a go? ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:32

    why dont you have a go? ;)

    Doing too many other stuff to give BATracer proper attention. You guys knock yourselves out. :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:34

    You guys knock yourselves out. :D

    Dont say that!

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 08:37

    For anyone who has missed it, F1 Big Picture is up to date now: http://www.f1bigpicture.com

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:38

    Dont say that!

    Not out of the race! Out in enjoyment. :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 08:39

    For anyone who has missed it, F1 Big Picture is up to date now: http://www.f1bigpicture.com

    Love it. It's my new wallpaper so Cheers!

    Really enjoying the big picture so thanks again!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:40

    Oh yeah! So 8 out of the 11 teams are going to be competitive.

    BAR weren't too bad on occasions. In a way it's actually 9 teams, but it's the reliability that's the issue with the BAR.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:41

    Love it. It's my new wallpaper so Cheers!

    But they're not wallpaper size, right?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:41

    BAR weren’t too bad on occasions. In a way it’s actually 9 teams, but it’s the reliability that’s the issue with the BAR.

    Besides, you know the 97 carset has Lola :D

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 08:42

    in good news, THAT woman won't be in Monaco as their Australian tour kicks off this weekend

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:43

    Besides, you know the 97 carset has Lola :D

    Wow - has someone actually tried using it for a whole season??

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:43

    in good news, THAT woman won't be in Monaco as their Australian tour kicks off this weekend

    Well, well. I guess that's why she went to Spain instead. When will the Aussie tour end? I think they're heading here to Manila once that's done.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:43

    Wow - has someone actually tried using it for a whole season??

    Yup, and won a race in a storm at Monaco! :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:44

    BAR weren't too bad on occasions. In a way it's actually 9 teams, but it's the reliability that's the issue with the BAR.

    having driven the most unreliable car in the 2009 carset, you can get minimise the gremlins fairly well with the right settings

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:44

    Wow - has someone actually tried using it for a whole season??

    Well it's a public carset as well as a private one, so the game can't start until someone picks them ;)

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:45

    Yup, and won a race in a storm at Monaco! :D

    Thats epic on a scale with Greek myths!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:45

    Thats epic on a scale with Greek myths!

    :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:45

    having driven the most unreliable car in the 2009 carset, you can get minimise the gremlins fairly well with the right settings

    which team was that?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:46

    Thats epic on a scale with Greek myths!

    I definitely agree - what was your reaction when you saw it?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 08:46

    Well, well. I guess that's why she went to Spain instead. When will the Aussie tour end? I think they're heading here to Manila once that's done.

    last show is on the 30th I think.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:46

    To be honest, I think some people just go for Lola because they like the paint scheme! I do!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 08:46

    Love it. It's my new wallpaper so Cheers!

    But they're not wallpaper size, right?

    Well I made it fit - it will do just fine, thanks!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:46

    I definitely agree - what was your reaction when you saw it?

    Erm, probably one that's unpostable here. ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:47

    last show is on the 30th I think.

    Makes sense - they'll be here 1st or 2nd week of June.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 08:47

    in good news, THAT woman won't be in Monaco as their Australian tour kicks off this weekend

    Well, well. I guess that's why she went to Spain instead. When will the Aussie tour end? I think they're heading here to Manila once that's done.

    They're coming to Odense too :(

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:47

    which team was that?

    Ferrari.

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:48

    To be honest, I think some people just go for Lola because they like the paint scheme! I do!

    The orange and blue really work, makes me wish Mastercard had more involvement in F1

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:48

    Ferrari.

    They're the most unreliable?? Dang... Is this the Ferrari of old again?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:49

    The orange and blue really work, makes me wish Mastercard had more involvement in F1

    ING uses orange and blue. :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:52

    They're the most unreliable?? Dang... Is this the Ferrari of old again?

    We finished 5th in the constructors with 4 podiums, so yes ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 08:52

    They're the most unreliable?? Dang... Is this the Ferrari of old again?

    If you mean comedy Ferrari of the late 80s and early 90s, then yes, yes it is :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:54

    dont they use orange and red now, and yellow and blue previous?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 08:55

    ING uses orange and blue. :D

    I never thought I'd say I miss last years livery ;) bring back the navy!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:55

    If you mean comedy Ferrari of the late 80s and early 90s, then yes, yes it is :D

    Well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. 10 seasons to great success - this was bound to happen.

    "Yes, yes it is." - FWIW, is anyone familiar with the show "Phineas and Ferb"? :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:56

    dont they use orange and red now, and yellow and blue previous?

    They used orange, yellow, and blue last year. Now, they have orange, yellow, and red. But the text of ING is still in blue.

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:56

    If you mean comedy Ferrari of the late 80s and early 90s, then yes, yes it is :D

    Good example: me and my team mate actually crashed into each other at one race!

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 08:57

    I hope no one minds, but I have updated the wiki page for the 2009 BatRacer game :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:57

    Good example: me and my team mate actually crashed into each other at one race!

    Oh... Dang. :O

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 08:57

    I hope no one minds, but I have updated the wiki page for the 2009 BatRacer game :)

    By all means, please do. :)

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 08:58

    They used orange, yellow, and blue last year. Now, they have orange, yellow, and red. But the text of ING is still in blue.

    Im sure they chose their livery by looking at swatches and being unable to come to a decision ;)

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 09:01

    Good example: me and my team mate actually crashed into each other at one race!

    Speaking of my team mate, he's just joined McLaren - must have had enough of me! :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:01

    They used orange, yellow, and blue last year. Now, they have orange, yellow, and red. But the text of ING is still in blue.

    Im sure they chose their livery by looking at swatches and being unable to come to a decision ;)

    No, I think this was their inspiration :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 09:04

    No, I think this was their inspiration :D

    No words can do that justice.... :)

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 09:05

    By all means, please do. :)

    I'm not sure how it all works, but I don't seem to have broken anything :D

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 09:08

    I'm not sure how it all works, but I don't seem to have broken anything :D

    Looks good, with pic and everything :)

    Is someone going to set up a page for the new game?

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 09:11

    Looks good, with pic and everything :)

    Thanks :) I don't know how to add pages yet, so I just edited what was there.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:12

    seeing as how its Rubens birthday on the day of Monaco qualifying, I predict the 7th cake of the season will be spotted in the paddock.

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 09:14

    seeing as how its Rubens birthday on the day of Monaco qualifying, I predict the 7th cake of the season will be spotted in the paddock.

    Did anyone see the cake BMW made Heidfeld? looked kinda odd to me :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:15

    seeing as how its Rubens birthday on the day of Monaco qualifying, I predict the 7th cake of the season will be spotted in the paddock.

    Did anyone see the cake BMW made Heidfeld? looked kinda odd to me :P

    anyone got a pic?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:16

    anyone got a pic?

    i shall drop.io all my cake pics :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 09:16

    http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9345.html

    3rd pic

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 09:17

    Morning all :) congrats to Al for winnning the world championship on BATracer! Was a really good, tight season.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:18

    http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9345.html

    3rd pic

    That's a cake? It looks like a model of the next Tilke-Drome!

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:19

    2009 cakes so far. both of heidfelds are pretty rubbish.

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/cake-bahrain-ferrari-jpg

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/cake-sepang-str-jpg

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/cake-shanghai-bmw-jpg

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/cake-shanghai-renault-jpg

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/cake-spain-bmw-jpg

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/cake-spain-mclaren-jpg

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 09:20

    mmmmm cake

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 09:21

    Well they aren't wasting the budget on cakes are they?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:22

    Well they aren't wasting the budget on cakes are they?

    Pastries are not covered under the budget cap... so expect bits of F1 car made of cake in future!

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 09:23

    You can clearly see the upgrades BMW bought to the cake between shanghai and barcelona worked on the track ;)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 09:23

    Pastries are not covered under the budget cap... so expect bits of F1 car made of cake in future!

    Well we've already got F3 cars made of carrots and potatos so.... :P

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:24

    maybe thats why Renault are keeping Piquet, his birthday is so close to Alonsos that sharing one cake between two drivers saves the team $$

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:24

    Pastries are not covered under the budget cap... so expect bits of F1 car made of cake in future!

    Well we've already got F3 cars made of carrots and potatos so.... :P

    Running on chocolate too!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:26

    http://www.justin.tv/tf1s_mansell

    Biggest accident in modern F1 history - tune in now!

  • Chris12/05/2009 at 09:28

    Morning all

    Biggest accident in modern F1 history - tune in now!

    Canada wasn't it? ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:28

    Biggest accident in modern F1 history - tune in now!

    And it's done. Still amazes me every time.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:28
  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:28

    Canada wasn't it? ;)

    Nope - Spa 1998.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:29

    http://www.justin.tv/tf1s_mansell

    Biggest accident in modern F1 history - tune in now!

    The announcement that Honda pulled out of the sport?

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 09:29
  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 09:29

    Canada wasn't it? ;)

    Spa my friend ;)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 09:29

    http://www.justin.tv/tf1s_mansell

    Biggest accident in modern F1 history - tune in now!

    I tune in and see Rubens looking hurt, boo! :P

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 09:30

    I've updated the wiki page for the 1986 game as well, I'm getting into this now :D

    Yay. I heart the wiki :)

  • Chris12/05/2009 at 09:30

    Nope - Spa 1998.

    It's a joke after my own stupidity lost me a point on the twitter round of the panel

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 09:31

    Hehehe, Trulli and panis almost agruing there over the safety car. :D

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 09:31

    How come Nick gets two cakes?

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 09:31

    Hehehe, Trulli and panis almost agruing there over the safety car. :D

    *the spare car, even

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:33

    Hehehe, Trulli and panis almost agruing there over the safety car. :D

    Wait til you see Schumi arguing with DC... :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:33

    It's a joke after my own stupidity lost me a point on the twitter round of the panel

    Oh, I didn't get that. ;)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:33

    How come Nick gets two cakes?

    first one was for 150 gps, second was for his geburstag. Check out my awesome German skills.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 09:34

    Wait til you see Schumi arguing with DC... :D

    I remember the race very well, I mean who doesn't? ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:34

    first one was for 150 gps, second was for his geburstag. Check out my awesome German skills.

    und mad skillz! :D geburstag = birthday?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:35

    I remember the race very well, I mean who doesn't? ;)

    Those who didn't get to watch it? ;) In which case, they should.

    Alesi vs. Senna in Phoenix 1990 on the mc_kik_live channel.

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 09:36

    und mad skillz! :D geburstag = birthday?

    I thought it was beer. All german words sounds like beer to me

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 09:36

    Yay. I heart the wiki :)

    Don't we all? :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:36

    Alesi vs. Senna in Phoenix 1990 on the mc_kik_live channel.

    And a Minardi on the front row! :O

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:36

    und mad skillz! :D geburstag = birthday?

    seriously, all i remember from doing german at school when i was 13 is the song 'zum geburstag viel glueck' aka happy birthday to you

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 09:37

    first one was for 150 gps, second was for his geburstag. Check out my awesome German skills.

    Wow, German and Finnish. You is multilingual.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:37

    und mad skillz! :D geburstag = birthday?

    seriously, all i remember from doing german at school when i was 13 is the song 'zum geburstag viel glueck' aka happy birthday to you

    You did German in a Dunedin School?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:37

    und mad skillz! :D geburstag = birthday?

    I thought it was beer. All german words sounds like beer to me

    You just wait - Kathi will clip you round the ear for that one ;)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:38

    You did German in a Dunedin School?

    in a 10 week term we had to do 3 weeks of German, 3 weeks of French then 4 weeks of Maori, then choose one to do the rest of the year. I chose German :D

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 09:38

    You just wait - Kathi will clip you round the ear for that one ;)

    I just plead ignorant Aussi

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:38

    Just learned now:

    Before Sebastian Buemi, Gregor Foitek was the last Swiss F1 driver - last drove in 1990. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 09:39

    You did German in a Dunedin School?

    in a 10 week term we had to do 3 weeks of German, 3 weeks of French then 4 weeks of Maori, then choose one to do the rest of the year. I chose German :D

    What a hurried way to learn a language :(

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:40

    What a hurried way to learn a language :(

    hence why I remember no French, and only the Maori you pick up in every day life.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 09:41

    Before Sebastian Buemi, Gregor Foitek was the last Swiss F1 driver - last drove in 1990.

    Wrong - was Jean Denis Delatraz in 1995. ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:41

    What a hurried way to learn a language :(

    Not hurried really, they had the rest of the year to learn the language properly.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:42

    Wrong - was Jean Denis Delatraz in 1995. ;)

    Daaaang - I thought he was French! ;)

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 09:42

    hence why I remember no French, and only the Maori you pick up in every day life.

    Like at the start of the rugby?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:42

    Not hurried really, they had the rest of the year to learn the language properly.

    I got 99.7% in my end of year German exam. I wish I'd studied it beyond that year, I quite enjoyed it :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 09:43

    Bernie is now saying on Autosport that he's willing to allow the British Grand prix to be skipped a year if Donington isn't ready

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75265

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:43

    Like at the start of the rugby?

    precisely. and the song about colours. Ma is white, whero is red, kakariki green. Ask any NZer, they'll sing you a verse ;)

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 09:44

    If Newey is the best designer/engineer right now who is second best in the paddock?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:44

    If Newey is the best designer/engineer right now who is second best in the paddock?

    I can't even name most teams designers. I do have a shocking memory though.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:44

    Bernie is now saying on Autosport that he's willing to allow the British Grand Prix to be skipped a year if Donington isn't ready

    He hates Silverstone THAT much?! What sweet nothings will he tell Tom Wheatcroft to convince him to give Gillett a 2nd chance?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:45

    If Newey is the best designer/engineer right now who is second best in the paddock?

    In the past, I would've said Rory Byrne. But now? It's hard to tell. I'd pick Nicolas Tombazis of Ferrari over Paddy Lowe of McLaren.

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 09:49

    It's intresting watching the opinions of Patrick Head and Frank Williams back in 1998. If only they knew what was coming...

  • Kathi12/05/2009 at 09:49

    I thought it was beer. All german words sounds like beer to me

    *clips paul round the ear*

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 09:49

    *clips paul round the ear*

    Hehehe.

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 09:50

    *clips paul round the ear*

    Oops. *ignorant aussi*

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 09:51

    Nice cars tho, those german ones

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 09:54

    Courtesy of DoningtonF1's RT:

    Donington construction pics

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 09:59

    I am rewatching the live show, god I can talk. Oops.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 10:00

    I am rewatching the live show, god I can talk. Oops.

    :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 10:00

    What a hurried way to learn a language :(

    Not hurried really, they had the rest of the year to learn the language properly.

    I meant 3 weeks to decide whether to continue or not... seems quick to me!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 10:00

    I meant 3 weeks to decide whether to continue or not... seems quick to me!

    Ohhh... well, it depends on the person, I guess. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 10:01

    I thought it was beer. All german words sounds like beer to me

    *clips paul round the ear*

    Told ya ;)

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 10:02

    Told ya ;)

    I promise to be better behaved

  • Kathi12/05/2009 at 10:08

    I promise to be better behaved

    Your punishment for offences against the German language is suspended due to the fact that there has been a change of culture within you and that the course of conduct - or similar - will not be repeated.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 10:10

    Your punishment for offences against the German language is suspended due to the fact that there has been a change of culture within you and that the course of conduct - or similar - will not be repeated.

    Spoken like a true WMSC member. :D

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 10:10

    Your punishment for offences against the German language is suspended due to the fact that there has been a change of culture within you and that the course of conduct - or similar - will not be repeated.

    Phew!

    I do like the sound of that Mercedes safety car....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 10:13

    MWM are reporting that Cosworth have updated their 2006 engine ready for next year.

    Apparently it is producing more power than the other quoted F1 engines at 18,000rpm and can go to 20,000rpm... Hmm, how has that been possible without a major backer and no track time?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 10:14

    Apparently it is producing more power than the other quoted F1 engines at 18,000rpm and can go to 20,000rpm... Hmm, how has that been possible without a major backer and no track time?

    It's easy to create more power. But will it be reliable?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 10:16

    Apparently it is producing more power than the other quoted F1 engines at 18,000rpm and can go to 20,000rpm... Hmm, how has that been possible without a major backer and no track time?

    It's easy to create more power. But will it be reliable?

    It wasn't too great in 2006, and I have my doubts about how an engine that hasn't had track time could do well next year. But then again, BrawnGP proved me wrong so maybe Cosworth can do it too?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 10:18

    It wasn't too great in 2006, and I have my doubts about how an engine that hasn't had track time could do well next year. But then again, BrawnGP proved me wrong so maybe Cosworth can do it too?

    There's some key differences: BrawnGP developed their car when they were still Honda, so the funding was there, as was the track time. By the time Honda pulled out, the car was mostly done.

    Also, Brawn never lost their key people. Ross Brawn made sure that he hung on to all the people he'd need to be doing this well. Cosworth doesn't have that luxury; Mr C did say that most of them are at Mercedes now.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 10:19

    It wasn't too great in 2006, and I have my doubts about how an engine that hasn't had track time could do well next year. But then again, BrawnGP proved me wrong so maybe Cosworth can do it too?

    There's some key differences: BrawnGP developed their car when they were still Honda, so the funding was there, as was the track time. By the time Honda pulled out, the car was mostly done.

    Also, Brawn never lost their key people. Ross Brawn made sure that he hung on to all the people he'd need to be doing this well. Cosworth doesn't have that luxury; Mr C did say that most of them are at Mercedes now.

    Very true. But clearly they have been developing the engine somehow...

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 10:20

    Ok I'm starting to get obssessed with the wiki....

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/BATRacer+:+1999

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 10:23

    Very true. But clearly they have been developing the engine somehow...

    They'd probably be developing it with the bare minimum of people. The engine will work, but will it be reliable? Will it also be driver-friendly in the way it delivers the power? Power and revs alone do not make a good engine.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 10:26

    Very true. But clearly they have been developing the engine somehow...

    They'd probably be developing it with the bare minimum of people. The engine will work, but will it be reliable? Will it also be driver-friendly in the way it delivers the power? Power and revs alone do not make a good engine.

    Exactly. Something that only track time can tell you. This is the danger of banning in-season testing - sometimes the best analyst and modeller is the guy behind the wheel relying on the 'seat of the pants' feel :)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 10:26

    Ooh the winning teammates from the last game are back together ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 10:27

    Exactly. Something that only track time can tell you. This is the danger of banning in-season testing - sometimes the best analyst and modeller is the guy behind the wheel relying on the ’seat of the pants’ feel

    Simulators, rig testing and cfd and wind tunnel work can only do so much. It's not until you actually physically start using something that you get a true result.

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 10:28

    Ooh the winning teammates from the last game are back together ;)

    Yep, can't break up the team that has won the constructors title in the last two games :P

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 10:29

    Yep, can't break up the team that has won the constructors title in the last two games

    Hopefully I can find me a good teammate ;)

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 10:34

    Hopefully I can find me a good teammate ;)

    Careful.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 10:40

    I'm arranging a meet-up at Silverstone. However, I'm having two fairly fundamental difficulties - where to have the meet-up and when to hold it. I'm there from Thursday evening to Sunday afternoon, though I'd prefer the meeting not to be on Saturday evening because my campsite is having a hog roast then and I'm not sure they allow people who aren't having a tent there to attend.

  • paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 10:42

    Watching th live replay: Christine makes me laugh. "Stupid Christian Klien and his driving"

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 10:42

    Funnily enough, it’s getting invaded by the not-so-young people now. Most of my older relatives (including my parents) use it {Comment #19}

    I can't even get Facebook to load, which really annoys my brother because he's on there. I haven't succeeded in persuaded him to use Ning yet...

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 10:48

    Hey guy, good early morning from overpriced Paris airport {Comment #23}

    Good morning! Hope you have a really great time :)

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 10:55

    SO it’s kinda pointless - a consolation goal, in effect {Comment #64}

    It was the difference between a 14th demonstrating why Force India need Fisi on the team and a 14th demonstrating the opposite. It wasn't as if it was his fault the fuel rig failed, after all. The fact that the only points he got were brownie points is almost irrelevant, for brownie points are better than no points at all.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 10:57

    cover is identical to the UK one except it says ‘brawn gp exclusive’ instead of ‘inside brawn gp’ and its issue 146 instead of 159 {Comment #87}

    I take it your edition started in June 1997, then (F1 Racing started in March 1996)?

    Good to hear your issue has arrived - enjoy it :)

  • Al12/05/2009 at 11:14

    Well done, Al!

    Thanks Journeyer

  • Al12/05/2009 at 11:15

    Well done Al anyways

    Thanks Scott

  • Al12/05/2009 at 11:16

    Morning all congrats to Al for winnning the world championship on BATracer! Was a really good, tight season.

    Thanks Lukeh

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 11:17

    SO it’s kinda pointless - a consolation goal, in effect {Comment #64}

    It was the difference between a 14th demonstrating why Force India need Fisi on the team and a 14th demonstrating the opposite. It wasn't as if it was his fault the fuel rig failed, after all. The fact that the only points he got were brownie points is almost irrelevant, for brownie points are better than no points at all.

    Good point. I'm just not a Fisi fan and I think someone else should be in that seat. Sorry :(

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 11:21

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/f1mole/2009/05/f1-gossip-column-1.html

    I can see why Mr. C. isn't keen on BBC's F1 mole - it's more like the F1 Roundup. Where was the inside scoop on any of those stories? Are they playing it too safe because it's the BBC?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 11:24

    I can see why Mr. C. isn't keen on BBC's F1 mole - it's more like the F1 Roundup. Where was the inside scoop on any of those stories? Are they playing it too safe because it's the BBC?

    seriously, Jakes blog is more 'this is what I saw in the paddock' than the mole.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 11:27

    I can see why Mr. C. isn't keen on BBC's F1 mole - it's more like the F1 Roundup. Where was the inside scoop on any of those stories? Are they playing it too safe because it's the BBC?

    seriously, Jakes blog is more 'this is what I saw in the paddock' than the mole.

    Agreed. Him, Joe Saward and James Allen provide a good enough insight...

    AUTOSPORT's "Paddock Life" is also pretty good...

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 11:27

    I can see why Mr. C. isn't keen on BBC's F1 mole - it's more like the F1 Roundup. Where was the inside scoop on any of those stories? Are they playing it too safe because it's the BBC?

    Thing is, on the quali weights post that Mr C complained on, all the comments are full of confusion about what is going on.

    So, if the "mole" is trying to clear things up for the fans, he's not doing a great job. If he's trying to provide some gossip, he's not doing a good job. It's hard to see what the actual aim is?

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 11:33

    It’s hard to see what the actual aim is?

    Well, they had the opportunity to employ someone decent and they passed it up...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 11:38

    Well, they had the opportunity to employ someone decent and they passed it up...

    Who did you gave in mind? :D

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 11:38

    This is one of the guys I'll see at the WSR event at Silverstone. His name's Jean Ragnotti and well...I'll let you judge just how mad he is :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okj8aHcn_Yw

    Remember - that Clio is FRONT wheel drive :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 11:39

    Who did you gave in mind? :D

    'gave' - i mean 'have'. :D

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 11:40

    ‘gave’ - i mean ‘have’.

    Are you typing on my Blackberry? Knew it would end up somewhere...

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 11:40

    Got a comment in moderation.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 11:42

    Are you typing on my Blackberry? Knew it would end up somewhere...

    Hahaha! :D No, it was my iPod's fault. Hahaha! Nah, just kidding. ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 11:46

    It’s hard to see what the actual aim is?

    Well, they had the opportunity to employ someone decent and they passed it up...

    That's coz you're supposed to be writing your booky-wook! ;)

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 11:48

    That’s coz you’re supposed to be writing your booky-wook!

    Ah yes – well, it's T minus two hours until the Gordon Murray interview, and then it's just about done...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 11:49

    That’s coz you’re supposed to be writing your booky-wook!

    Ah yes – well, it's T minus two hours until the Gordon Murray interview, and then it's just about done...

    WHat's it about? The Ground effect era?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 11:52

    WHat's it about? The Ground effect era?

    The fan car?

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 11:53

    WHat’s it about? The Ground effect era?

    It's a bit more general than that. More details nearer publication – we don't want any peasants rushing out a spoiler, do we?

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 11:53

    Quick someone get me away from the Wiki.... :D

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 11:53

    Quick someone get me away from the Wiki....

    *tsk* What have you been up to now? :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 11:54

    WHat’s it about? The Ground effect era?

    It's a bit more general than that. More details nearer publication – we don't want any peasants rushing out a spoiler, do we?

    We'd never do that ... but I'm looking forward to it now!

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 11:54

    *tsk* What have you been up to now? :P

    I'm adding to the 1999 game's page. I can't stop now I know what I'm doing :D

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 11:54

    Quick someone get me away from the Wiki.... :D

    No, no, I love it. Keep it up :)

  • Sean Golding12/05/2009 at 11:54

    G'Day everyone! What's been happening?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 11:54

    It’s hard to see what the actual aim is?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/motorsport/formulaonediary/5312314/Spanish-GP-its-a-lock-out.html

    Here is another good 'mole' :)

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 11:55

    The fan car?

    Would have loved to have that one in, but the concept was to do bespoke shoots of all the featured cars. Bernie's garage was out of bounds...

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 11:58

    Here is another good ‘mole’

    Heh. 'Twas ever thus with Tony D...

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 11:58

    Would have loved to have that one in, but the concept was to do bespoke shoots of all the featured cars. Bernie's garage was out of bounds...

    Booo! Stupid Bernie. :(

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 12:01

    No, no, I love it. Keep it up :)

    Oh good :) Well off to Uni now, so Wiki editting will have to wait. in the mean time I give you the page for the 1999 game: http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/BATRacer+:+1999

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:02

    I'm adding to the 1999 game's page. I can't stop now I know what I'm doing

    Very good! Told you it was a close carset ;)

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:24

    It's a bit more general than that. More details nearer publication – we don't want any peasants rushing out a spoiler, do we?

    :D

    :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:25

    Would have loved to have that one in, but the concept was to do bespoke shoots of all the featured cars. Bernie's garage was out of bounds...

    dawn raid?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:26

    dawn raid?

    :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:30

    Fisi seemed to think he was one of the fastest at the end, probably because of the tyres…

    he sounded like the most miserable man on earth. presumably because croftie was interviewing and not holly?

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:31

    Right, quick check - who’s up for F1 1999?

    *groans*

    :(

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:33

    *groans*

    Can I just say in my defence, it wasn't originally my idea?

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:33

    in good news, THAT woman won’t be in Monaco as their Australian tour kicks off this weekend

    ah-ha. so the spanish visit was to ensure there were no "lewis left lonely in monaco this year" stories?

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:38

    If Newey is the best designer/engineer right now who is second best in the paddock?

    pat from renault, at least in the engineering stakes.

    mind you he's well and truly buggered up the '09 regs, so maybe not.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 12:38

    ah-ha. so the spanish visit was to ensure there were no "lewis left lonely in monaco this year" stories?

    "12 months ago she was all over the grid in Monaco, this year, with a rubbish car, Lewis's lady is nowhere to be seen"

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:39

    ah-ha. so the spanish visit was to ensure there were no "lewis left lonely in monaco this year" stories?

    I think so - and apparently, then went to the Mediterranean the day after Spain...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:39

    "12 months ago she was all over the grid in Monaco, this year, with a rubbish car, Lewis's lady is nowhere to be seen"

    And I'd give her credit for that - a public show of support for Lewis even in the tough times. Not every WAG does that...

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:40

    "12 months ago she was all over the grid in Monaco, this year, with a rubbish car, Lewis's lady is nowhere to be seen"

    :)

    in which case, i hate to admit it, but the hamilton's have finally made a good PR move. it took them 2 and a half years to learn, but they got there in the end.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 12:40

    Can I just say in my defence, it wasn't originally my idea?

    Is this not you then?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 12:40

    And I'd give her credit for that - a public show of support for Lewis even in the tough times. Not every WAG does that...

    she probably doesn't realise he's not doing well. Does she even know what an F1 car looks like?

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:40

    And I'd give her credit for that - a public show of support for Lewis even in the tough times. Not every WAG does that...

    she is starting a new tour next week though...

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:41

    Can I just say in my defence, it wasn't originally my idea?

    Is this not you then?

    :D :P :D

    awesome!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:42

    Is this not you then?

    Yes, but the idea originally came up in the 2009 game driver chat!

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:42

    she probably doesn't realise he's not doing well. Does she even know what an F1 car looks like?

    ummmmm

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:42

    she is starting a new tour next week though...

    that's out of her hands, really. if anything, i'd give her even more credit. she could've just said that she needed time to prepare for what will be a very long tour, but she chose to spend some of that time with lewis.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 12:42

    Yes, but the idea originally came up in the 2009 game driver chat!

    Ah, where it should be.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:43

    ummmmm

    The McLaren staffer is thinking, "Oh, dear. Oh, dear, dear, dear." :D

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:44

    Yes, but the idea originally came up in the 2009 game driver chat!

    Proof it was Selidor's idea:

    "Well looks like a certain RBR driver followed my advice, even if said advice was simply "do well" as for the next SPC BATracer, could go retro again and do 1999 - the car comparisions are up at (left link out to prevent moderation)

    as you can see the playing field is rather even "

    See?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 12:44

    she probably doesn't realise he's not doing well. Does she even know what an F1 car looks like?

    ummmmm

    The expression of the guy in the background is priceless :)

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:45

    The McLaren staffer is thinking, "Oh, dear. Oh, dear, dear, dear." :D

    he's thinking. if she breaks anything i'm gonna be here all night... again!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:45

    The expression of the guy in the background is priceless :)

    Exactly. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 12:46

    The McLaren staffer is thinking, "Oh, dear. Oh, dear, dear, dear." :D

    he's thinking. if she breaks anything i'm gonna be here all night... again!

    I think he's thinking "Oh Lewis, Why, Why, Why???" :)

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 12:46

    See?

    Yup. But I'm not bothered what discussions take place over there.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 12:47

    he's thinking. if she breaks anything i'm gonna be here all night... again!

    :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 12:47

    I can't understand why I'm struggling so much on this assignmrnt, it should be so easy!

    It's comparing, contrasting and analysing open and closed sourced operating systems within a small or medium enterprise business.. he's expecting us to talk about the nitty gritty of computing though a thing, something i don't like writing about :(

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 12:48

    What we don't get to see is the bit where, once inside, she lifts her knees up but finds she can't get out again, and flounders around looking like an idiot.

    Or is that just me?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:48

    Yup. But I'm not bothered what discussions take place over there.

    OK, just proving I wasn't the one who suggested a new game. :)

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:48

    he's thinking. if she breaks anything i'm gonna be here all night... again!

    :D

    ollie needs to use that in a caption comp. love it.

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:49

    What we don't get to see is the bit where, once inside, she lifts her knees up but finds she can't get out again, and flounders around looking like an idiot.

    Or is that just me?

    i would've lifted you out, but i was taking the pictures.

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:49

    It's comparing, contrasting and analysing open and closed sourced operating systems within a small or medium enterprise business.. he's expecting us to talk about the nitty gritty of computing though a thing, something i don't like writing about :(

    that is easy, what have you got so far?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:49

    It's comparing, contrasting and analysing open and closed sourced operating systems within a small or medium enterprise business.. he's expecting us to talk about the nitty gritty of computing though a thing, something i don't like writing about :(

    Start with a bullet list of pros and cons for either option. Then it's just a matter of expounding and connecting the dots.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:49

    i would've lifted you out, but i was taking the pictures.

    :D !

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 12:50

    that is easy, what have you got so far?

    a lot of nonsense, grr. It's annoying because it should be mega easy but my mind doesn't want to go going, im going through various aspects of the OS (reliability, efficiency, security, etc) but our lecturer put at the bottom 'DO NOT COMPARE WINDOWS AND LINUX' so i'm just trying to subtle get around referencing them...

  • lou12/05/2009 at 12:51

    What we don't get to see is the bit where, once inside, she lifts her knees up but finds she can't get out again, and flounders around looking like an idiot.

    Or is that just me?

    awwww

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 12:51

    he's thinking. if she breaks anything i'm gonna be here all night... again!

    see this is a girlfriend who is allowed in the car

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 12:51

    Or is that just me?

    It looks like she was having enough trouble holding up an umbrella tbh on Sunday

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:53

    a lot of nonsense, grr. It's annoying because it should be mega easy but my mind doesn't want to go going, im going through various aspects of the OS (reliability, efficiency, security, etc) but our lecturer put at the bottom 'DO NOT COMPARE WINDOWS AND LINUX' so i'm just trying to subtle get around referencing them...

    I would look at

    - reliability

    - efficiency

    - security

    - support (for end-users)

    - cost

    That should get you going.

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:53

    a lot of nonsense, grr. It's annoying because it should be mega easy but my mind doesn't want to go going, im going through various aspects of the OS (reliability, efficiency, security, etc) but our lecturer put at the bottom 'DO NOT COMPARE WINDOWS AND LINUX' so i'm just trying to subtle get around referencing them...

    to sum it up in tweet form:

    open source os's have a lower cost entry point and require less expensive equipment. however, nobody likes using them.

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:53

    see this is a girlfriend who is allowed in the car

    i bet she climbed in herself.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:53

    see this is a girlfriend who is allowed in the car

    Erm... No disrespect intended, but I think her built allows her to fit in the car easier.

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:54

    Erm... No disrespect intended, but I think her built allows her to fit in the car easier.

    you're saying nicole is a man?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 12:54

    although this face says 'don't touch anything'

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:54

    open source os's have a lower cost entry point and require less expensive equipment. however, nobody likes using them.

    bingo. but this is a paper, so he'd need to be a bit more... verbose.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:55

    you're saying nicole is a man?

    erm... she's a proud american woman, is what i'm saying. :)

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:55

    although this face says 'don't touch anything'

    :D

    oh dear.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 12:55

    although this face says 'don't touch anything'

    heheh, can imagine her going to touch various buttons with Heikki slapping her hand away from them everytime :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 12:55

    bingo. but this is a paper, so he'd need to be a bit more... verbose.

    maybe if i repeat it 200 times... i can argue i was trying to get the point across? :D

    cheers though guys, has helped.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:56

    heheh, can imagine her going to touch various buttons with Heikki slapping her hand away from them everytime :D

    "oooh, what does THIS button do?" ;)

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:57

    open source os's have a lower cost entry point and require less expensive equipment. however, nobody likes using them.

    bingo. but this is a paper, so he'd need to be a bit more... verbose.

    right.

    in my experience, introducing open source on the desktop is a world of hurt. no-one has any confidence in it. nothing looks like it does at home, and people can't relate to it.

    it's different in the server room of course, almost the opposite in fact. depends which approach you take when tackling the paper.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:57

    That should get you going.

    Almost forgot: look at user-friendliness as well.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 12:57

    "oooh, what does THIS button do?"

    *wheels predominantly fall off*

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:58

    it's different in the server room of course, almost the opposite in fact. depends which approach you take when tackling the paper.

    good points, mr c. it's an informative paper rather than a persuasive one, so i think he can mention all that and be all right. :)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 12:58

    *wheels predominantly fall off*

    although, isn't her family involved in motorsport? I'm sure I read this somewhere but have never come across the info since. Maybe I dreamt it.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 12:59

    although, isn't her family involved in motorsport? I'm sure I read this somewhere but have never come across the info since. Maybe I dreamt it.

    it was mentioned in the comments a few days back - i think she's the daughter of a team owner heikki drove for in one of the lower formulae.

  • me12/05/2009 at 12:59

    tweet from force india:

    "Adrian is at the factory now. Any questions for him?"

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 13:00

    "Adrian is at the factory now. Any questions for him?"

    "why do you run like a girl?"

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:00

    "Adrian is at the factory now. Any questions for him?"

    "Why do you run like a girl?"

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:00

    “why do you run like a girl?”

    HAHAHAHA! :D

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 13:01

    clearly the question on everyones lips!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 13:01

    tweet from force india:

    "Adrian is at the factory now. Any questions for him?"

    Why didn't you slap Trulli in the face?

  • me12/05/2009 at 13:01

    "why do you run like a girl?"

    :)

    "what exactly was on your laptop?"

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:02

    For those who don't know what we mean:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkRgUcP_rM

    :D

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 13:02

    Why didn't you slap Trulli in the face?

    Kimi too.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 13:04

    For those who don't know what we mean:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkRgUcP_rM

    Ive never seen that before, bwahahahahaha. Poor Adrian :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 13:10

    did anyone talk about this red bull air race bird strike yet?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 13:11

    did anyone talk about this red bull air race bird strike yet?

    Wow. That was lucky! Could have been very messy :(

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 13:12

    did anyone talk about this red bull air race bird strike yet?

    awwwwwww :(

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:12

    Wow. That was lucky! Could have been very messy

    Yeah, ouch indeed!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 13:14

    Yeah, ouch indeed!

    that said, he still did well, and i don't think he should've gotten penalized. oh well.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 13:16

    Yeah, ouch indeed!

    I've been watching the Air Race this year because they've actually been putting it on TV here. Those guys are amazing.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 13:17

    I've been watching the Air Race this year because they've actually been putting it on TV here. Those guys are amazing.

    I watch it too when it's on TV. Mateschitz's marketing plan is absolutely brilliant. He focused on a key market that caters to a key demographic and bet the farm on it. It was crazy, but it's worked to perfection.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 13:19

    When I say key market, I mean motorsport - F1, WRC, MotoGP, Air Race - name it, he's probably in it.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:20

    When I say key market, I mean motorsport - F1, WRC, MotoGP, Air Race - name it, he's probably in it.

    I don't think I've seen one form of motorsport that hasn't had a Red Bull sponsored car taking part at least once.

  • Rob Sinfield12/05/2009 at 13:23

    Kemblewatch - 1400

    Williams have just turned up, just one truck and two guys setting up so I doubt there will be any running today. Hopefully the weather tomorrow will be as good as today though its a bit gusty!

    Cheers,

    Rob

    Am I allowed to say please visit my new website? Probably not so therefore I won't.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:24

    Williams have just turned up, just one truck and two guys setting up so I doubt there will be any running today. Hopefully the weather tomorrow will be as good as today though its a bit gusty!

    Oooh nice.

    Am I allowed to say please visit my new website? Probably not so therefore I won't.

    Of course you are! We're all friendly here. Go ahead :)

  • me12/05/2009 at 13:25

    Williams have just turned up, just one truck and two guys setting up so I doubt there will be any running today. Hopefully the weather tomorrow will be as good as today though its a bit gusty!

    ace. pls do keep us posted.

    Am I allowed to say please visit my new website? Probably not so therefore I won't.

    of course. we plugged it last week for you, but in case anyone missed it:

    http://www.grandprixdiary.com/

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 13:25

    Am I allowed to say please visit my new website? Probably not so therefore I won't.

    You certainly can. I believe we have mentioned it in the comments before but all good plugs are welcome.

  • michael12/05/2009 at 13:29

    All this talk of the 1999 season has reminded me of the utter abomination of the red Winfield Williams. What an awful looking car, and it neatly coincided with the terminal decline of the team's performance.

    What were they thinking of?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:31

    All this talk of the 1999 season has reminded me of the utter abomination of the red Winfield Williams. What an awful looking car, and it neatly coincided with the terminal decline of the team's performance.

    It all started going downhill when Renault pulled out at the end of 1997. They've never been the same since. Sure in the BMW days, they reached a peak and won races again, but never managed a championship.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 13:36

    It all started going downhill when Renault pulled out at the end of 1997. They've never been the same since. Sure in the BMW days, they reached a peak and won races again, but never managed a championship.

    I think it started going downhill for a different reason - Adrian Newey's departure. They couldn't find anyone who could replace him and design a great car. BMW had the horses, but Williams didn't have a great chassis to go along with it, which is why Mario decided to do his own thing.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:37

    I think it started going downhill for a different reason - Adrian Newey's departure. They couldn't find anyone who could replace him and design a great car. BMW had the horses, but Williams didn't have a great chassis to go along with it, which is why Mario decided to do his own thing.

    Yup, that too. 1997 was AN's last car for Williams before he departed for McLaren.

  • Rob Sinfield12/05/2009 at 13:39

    Thanks for the permission - there is a link to Sidepodcast there and the great F1 minute - which has had great feedback from our professional focus group (my mates in the pub)who are now avid listeners. Listening to anything on an iPod is not my idea of fun but the guys tell me 'its the future' (like garlic bread?)

    As it says on the site - it is very much a work in progress, loads more goodies to go on and it currently has more glitches than a Russian airliner so it is driving me slightly nuts.

    All comments - and especially critical ones are welcome, just don't make me cry ok?

    Rob

    www.GrandPrixDiary.com

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 13:52

    Am liking this Sutil on Twitter stuff:

    Q for him: "Sutil, if you're interviewed by the BBC at Monaco, please can you get as many "for sure" lines in as possible? I'll keep score."

    His answer: "We don't all say that! For sure, only a couple."

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 13:54

    Bazil83 might be from RealBrawnGP - they have a brilliant "For Sure" championship going on. :D

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 13:56

    I'm curious what this one is in reply to: "No, but I might not speak to him again..."

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 13:56

    I shall try and twittle him when I go home on the train in a mo :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 13:56

    I'm curious what this one is in reply to: "No, but I might not speak to him again..."

    The Trulli one?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 13:57

    I've sent a tweet - "How do you rate the team's chances of scoring points for the rest of the season?"

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 13:59

    I'm curious what this one is in reply to: "No, but I might not speak to him again..."

    Mark Webber, maybe? Doesn't it say who it's in reply to?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 13:59

    Twitter has increased my enjoyment of F1 2009 10000%

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 13:59

    Mark Webber, maybe? Doesn't it say who it's in reply to?

    Unfortunately not.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:01

    Twitter has increased my enjoyment of F1 2009 10000%

    Agreed. :)

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 14:01

    Twitter has increased my enjoyment of F1 2009 10000%

    Who do you watch? I added the fake F1 drivers, but now there's so much clutter on my feed it's like trying to catch up on the sidepodcast comments.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:01

    Unfortunately not.

    might be this one: "do you think Martin Brundle jinxed you on the grid in spain after his comments and your first lap exit?"

    http://twitter.com/danielfelice/status/1773197644

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:01

    Unfortunately not.

    But how would the original tweeter know it's the reply to his tweet?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:02

    might be this one: "do you think Martin Brundle jinxed you on the grid in spain after his comments and your first lap exit?"

    ohhh... poor martin. gets blamed for every jinx on the grid. :P

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:02

    Who do you watch? I added the fake F1 drivers, but now there's so much clutter on my feed it's like trying to catch up on the sidepodcast comments.

    lots of them are just repeats of news I already know, off the top of my head, the ones I like for 'from the paddock' updates are @clubforce @thefifthdriver @redbullf1spy @leemck and @bulletinf1 plus @glendix who doesn't update anymore but hes the one who got me into the vodafone cricket event in Melbourne.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 14:04

    Twitter has increased my enjoyment of F1 2009 10000%

    Who do you watch? I added the fake F1 drivers, but now there's so much clutter on my feed it's like trying to catch up on the sidepodcast comments.

    Too many and the activity is sporadic...

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 14:05

    might be this one: "do you think Martin Brundle jinxed you on the grid in spain after his comments and your first lap exit?"

    That sounds very likely. Well done Amy :)

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 14:07

    For the BATracer game, do you guys mind if I bring a friend in? He listens to the podcast and was VERY jealous that we actually get to talk to people in the BATracer games.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 14:07

    might be this one: "do you think Martin Brundle jinxed you on the grid in spain after his comments and your first lap exit?"

    That sounds very likely. Well done Amy :)

    Oooh it does, now I remember. The gridwalk was so disorganised this time because I don't think the teams at the back were expecting him!

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:07

    That sounds very likely. Well done Amy :)

    if anyone asks, I'm sleeping ;) withdrawal day 2 is a fail.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 14:08

    For the BATracer game, do you guys mind if I bring a friend in? He listens to the podcast and was VERY jealous that we actually get to talk to people in the BATracer games.

    Yup, by all means :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:08

    if anyone asks, I'm sleeping ;) withdrawal day 2 is a fail.

    day 2 wasn't all that bad, amy. ;) are you really going to sleep? :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:09

    Yup, by all means :)

    Introduce him to the community too. :)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:09

    day 2 wasn't all that bad, amy. ;) are you really going to sleep? :D

    the plan was to be in bed every night by 11 and its now 12.09. Problem was I did so well yesterday and got so much sleep last night I'm wide awake today.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 14:10

    Introduce him to the community too. :)

    He actually lurks here some times, but he doesn't have the time to comment usually.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 14:10

    Yay I got answered by adrian sutil!

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 14:11

    @clubforce who is the better dresser in the team - yourself, giancarlo, or vijay?

    @lukehmuse We've all got our own styles...I have to say this though, VIjay is my boss!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 14:11

    day 2 wasn't all that bad, amy. ;) are you really going to sleep? :D

    the plan was to be in bed every night by 11 and its now 12.09. Problem was I did so well yesterday and got so much sleep last night I'm wide awake today.

    Ah THAT problem. Go to bed and read, or just try and relax - you will become tired...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:11

    the plan was to be in bed every night by 11 and its now 12.09. Problem was I did so well yesterday and got so much sleep last night I'm wide awake today.

    Hahaha! Do we lull you to sleep now, then? :)

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:11

    loving these tweets. following here.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 14:11

    Yay I got answered by adrian sutil!

    Excellent!!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 14:11

    Yay I got answered by adrian sutil!

    Me too! :D

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 14:12

    Alrighty guys, do I take Benetton or Williams?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 14:12

    His answer to my question: "The field is so close you don't know. I wouldn't want to make too many predictions but points are always the aim"

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 14:12

    Oooh Scott got answered too!

    @TheWiss The field is so close you don't know. I wouldn't want to make too many predictions but points are always the aim

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 14:12

    Alrighty guys, do I take Benetton or Williams?

    Up to you. :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 14:15

    the plan was to be in bed every night by 11 and its now 12.09. Problem was I did so well yesterday and got so much sleep last night I'm wide awake today.

    Did anyone listen to the AT&T Williams Podcast by the way? Nico seems to have a really genius method of taking a siesta!

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:16

    I think McLaren need to do a twitter Q&A with Heikki. I might die.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 14:16

    I think McLaren need to do a twitter Q&A with Heikki. I might die.

    :D

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 14:16

    I think McLaren need to do a twitter Q&A with Heikki. I might die.

    Would anyone else be able to get a word in?

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:16

    Did anyone listen to the AT&T Williams Podcast by the way? Nico seems to have a really genius method of taking a siesta!

    it only works if you're single though.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:17

    Did anyone listen to the AT&T Williams Podcast by the way? Nico seems to have a really genius method of taking a siesta!

    Thats actually what I'm doing whilst I can't sleep, trying to catch up on far too many podcasts. Williams is next on my list.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 14:18

    I think McLaren need to do a twitter Q&A with Heikki. I might die.

    Would you tweet would be something like...

    @mclarentwitter OHHHHHHHH MYYYY GGOOOOOOODDDD

    I wonder what their reaction would be...

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:18

    Would anyone else be able to get a word in?

    no, although I probably couldn't think of anything to ask him anyway short of "why are you so much cooler than Lewis" :D

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 14:24

    no, although I probably couldn't think of anything to ask him anyway short of "why are you so much cooler than Lewis" :D

    How about any advice you can give Rubens on being #2? ;)

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 14:25

    Hi all! I just joined the BATracer game as Vinnie's teammate. I've been lurking around the site for a while, but sadly don't comment much. Hopefully that will change soon.

    It's nice to be aboard!

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:26

    this guy has more mood swings than trulli.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 14:26

    It's nice to be aboard!

    Welcome! :)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:27

    How about any advice you can give Rubens on being #2? ;)

    What does it say about me that my two favourites are the both #2s.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 14:27

    this guy has more mood swings than trulli.

    Hamiltonometer?

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:28

    Hamiltonometer?

    doesn't have much of a ring does it? it also swings so frequently that if we made one it'd likely have someone's eye out.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 14:32

    What does it say about me that my two favourites are the both #2s.

    That you are a borg of substance and class...

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 14:40

    From James allen:

    #f1 - Ferrari are going to make quite a significant statement very shortly. Their involvement in F1 is at stake.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:48

    It's nice to be aboard!

    Ohayou Gozaimasu! :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:48

    #f1 - Ferrari are going to make quite a significant statement very shortly. Their involvement in F1 is at stake.

    WHAAAT?!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 14:48

    #f1 - Ferrari are going to make quite a significant statement very shortly. Their involvement in F1 is at stake.

    Uh oh...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:49

    Uh oh...

    I better reboot now, before all hell breaks loose. Hang on.

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 14:50

    Hahaha, thanks! Give it 10 more minutes and it really will be ohayou over here ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:51

    Hahaha, thanks! Give it 10 more minutes and it really will be ohayou over here ;)

    Not so ohayou for Ferrari, apparently.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:52

    and how can I be expected to sleep now. I might miss something!

  • Chris12/05/2009 at 14:53

    Wow. Looks like I arrived just in time. Who else thinks "shortly" means "on the hour"

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:53

    and how can I be expected to sleep now. I might miss something!

    :D

  • Colin12/05/2009 at 14:54

    F1 would not be the same without Ferrari.

    It would certainly not be so interesting

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:54

    Wow. Looks like I arrived just in time. Who else thinks "shortly" means "on the hour"

    I do. They were given a minimum heads-up.

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 14:55

    Not so ohayou for Ferrari, apparently.

    I just hope it won't be sayounara :(

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 14:55

    #f1 - Ferrari are going to make quite a significant statement very shortly. Their involvement in F1 is at stake.

    I'm actually a little worried about this...

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:55

    amy's bound to have read this already, but mclaren are fighting back on twitter

    "Monaco! The biggest race on the F1 calendar. We're busy getting ready so let me know what you want to know about our preparations!"

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:56

    F1 would not be the same without Ferrari.

    It would certainly not be so interesting

    agreed. it wouldn't be f1.

    however i think they know bernie is in a weakened position...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:56

    I'm actually a little worried about this...

    I'm more than a little worried about this.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 14:56

    "Monaco! The biggest race on the F1 calendar. We're busy getting ready so let me know what you want to know about our preparations!"

    my claim to fame is I was their first ever follower because I knew about their twitter before it was announced :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 14:57

    however i think they know bernie is in a weakened position...

    ferrari may be organizing the breakaway series we never had. and they're forcing bernie to defect.

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 14:57

    If they do withdraw, I think it'll be to get what they want. The FIA will come running.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 14:57

    wow it's all go for the f1 teams on twitter.

    OfficialBrawnGP is happy to see our guys back at the factory. Trucks are parked, cars in the race bays, trophies in the cabinet!

    and hey everyone :)

  • me12/05/2009 at 14:59

    unconfirmed, but...

    "On Sky Sports News NOW!!!! Ferrari have announced they are quitting"

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 14:59

    OfficialBrawnGP is happy to see our guys back at the factory. Trucks are parked, cars in the race bays, trophies in the cabinet!

    I want to see that cabinet! :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 14:59

    "On Sky Sports News NOW!!!! Ferrari have announced they are quitting"

    Gonna look now

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 15:00

    "On Sky Sports News NOW!!!! Ferrari have announced they are quitting"

    ...

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 15:00

    Autosport have this: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75277

    "Ferrari has confirmed that it will not enter next year's world championship unless plans for a voluntary £40 million budget cap are changed."

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:00

    Gonna look now

    cheers sir.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:00

    "Ferrari has confirmed that it will not enter next year's world championship unless plans for a voluntary £40 million budget cap are changed."

    cooool!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:01

    "On Sky Sports News NOW!!!! Ferrari have announced they are quitting"

    I knew it! Bloody knew it!

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 15:01

    Yep. SSN is reporting it.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 15:01

    "Ferrari has confirmed that it will not enter next year's world championship unless plans for a voluntary £40 million budget cap are changed."

    that is so much less scandalous than "Breaking -Ferrari just pulled out of Formula 1 starting next season"

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 15:01

    unconfirmed, but...

    "On Sky Sports News NOW!!!! Ferrari have announced they are quitting"

    Umm, I'm shocked. On one hand I'm happy, on another I'm sad...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:02

    FOTA wins. Checkmate.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:02

    "Ferrari has confirmed that it will not enter next year's world championship unless plans for a voluntary £40 million budget cap are changed."

    much better. yay autosport.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 15:03

    "Ferrari has confirmed that it will not enter next year's world championship unless plans for a voluntary £40 million budget cap are changed."

    So the budget cap's gonna get scrapped then?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 15:03

    all they've said is exactly the same as what toyota said.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 15:03

    "On Sky Sports News NOW!!!! Ferrari have announced they are quitting"

    just so you all know i actually ran into the side of the door in a rush to get to the tv in the lounge... ouch.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:03

    FOTA wins. Checkmate.

    So will it be NO cap, or just a higher cap? It kinda sucks that Ferrari didn't give an option showing what would be a good compromise...

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 15:03

    I guees it is just a matter of time before Toyota, BMW and possibly Renault announce the same.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:03

    cooool!

    Autosport have also reported this:

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75267

    "The FIA is optimistic that a deal can be agreed with teams to move forward with plans for a budget cap in Formula 1 next year, but has warned that it will not compromise simply because of the 'hysteria' caused by threats to quit the sport."

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:04

    all they've said is exactly the same as what toyota said.

    agreed. this person's tweet is a little bit gmm. apologies for copying.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:05

    So will it be NO cap, or just a higher cap? It kinda sucks that Ferrari didn't give an option showing what would be a good compromise...

    i think teams wanted a higher cap with a sliding scale of introduction.

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 15:05

    I love the BBC headline.

    "Ferrari 'to quit' over budget row "

    But, of course, once you read the story...

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 15:05

    i think teams wanted a higher cap with a sliding scale of introduction.

    And no two-tier nonsense?

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 15:06

    from the bbc:

    "No F1 in 2010 if the rules do not change," read a statement. "Ferrari does not intend to register cars for the 2010 F1 world championship."

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:06

    "The FIA is optimistic that a deal can be agreed with teams to move forward with plans for a budget cap in Formula 1 next year, but has warned that it will not compromise simply because of the 'hysteria' caused by threats to quit the sport."

    They're saying that to save face. But the mere fact that they decided to reply to Ferrari's statement should tell you something.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 15:06

    I love the BBC headline.

    The BBC have been absolutely shocking this week.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 15:06

    all they've said is exactly the same as what toyota said.

    But it has SO MUCH MORE WEIGHT when Ferrari says it...

    We will see a Ferrari on the Grid next year. All this means is that the budget cap will get scrapped. Max should never have let the spending get out of control in the first place.

    Remember what I said on the panel last week? He's shutting the door after the prancing horse has bolted...

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:06

    i think teams wanted a higher cap with a sliding scale of introduction.

    And no two-tier nonsense?

    yes.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 15:07

    "Ferrari has confirmed that it will not enter next year's world championship unless plans for a voluntary £40 million budget cap are changed."

    see that i expected. silly sky sports saying ferrari are actually leaving.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:07

    But then - Ferrari are hardly having a good season atm anyway... plus Fiat have had EU monopolies and mergers muttering at them, and their recent bids to a couple of car companies look likely to open them up to a competition commission enquiry in the USA and in Italy....

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:07

    The BBC have been absolutely shocking this week.

    oh so very dear :(

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 15:07

    The BBC have been absolutely shocking this week.

    their news reporting is terrible really. Because its the only site I can look at at work I go to it for my tennis news and its always 'here is 40 storys about what Andy Murray is up to, and no stories about the actual tennis games that have been played by other people'

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:07

    And no two-tier nonsense?

    yes.

    that wasn't a very good answer. nobody wants a two-tier f1 aside from max. not even bernie.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:09

    that wasn't a very good answer. nobody wants a two-tier f1 aside from max. not even bernie.

    And how much longer can max actually last anyway (I mean, last last, not just 'avoid forced retirement')

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:09

    see that i expected. silly sky sports saying ferrari are actually leaving.

    they are? so the tweet wasn't misinterpreted?

    i was wrong, gmm were actually forerunners to a screwed up media future.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:09

    that wasn't a very good answer. nobody wants a two-tier f1 aside from max. not even bernie.

    The counter-argument for it would be to make the budget cap compulsary. But obviously no-one really wants that either from what I've gathered.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:10

    The counter-argument for it would be to make the budget cap compulsary. But obviously no-one really wants that either from what I've gathered.

    I thought that violated the Ferrari/Bernie contract that goes till 2012?

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 15:10

    i was wrong, gmm were actually forerunners to a screwed up media future.

    :D hahaa

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:10

    But then - Ferrari are hardly having a good season atm anyway... plus Fiat have had EU monopolies and mergers muttering at them, and their recent bids to a couple of car companies look likely to open them up to a competition commission enquiry in the USA and in Italy....

    True, but the point is, Ferrari can move to Le Mans and do just fine. I honestly think a Ferrari-F1 split will harm F1 more than it will harm Ferrari. And Ferrari is technically a separate entity from the Fiat parent.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 15:10

    they are? so the tweet wasn't misinterpreted?

    the little scrolling bar thing said 'breaking news: Ferrari pull out of next year's formula 1 championship'

    :s

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:11

    the little scrolling bar thing said 'breaking news: Ferrari pull out of next year's formula 1 championship'

    :s

    I'm sure Ferrari don't mind the media exaggerating, for once. it will direct all the vitriol at the Place de Concorde.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:12

    The counter-argument for it would be to make the budget cap compulsary. But obviously no-one really wants that either from what I've gathered.

    you'd force three teams OUT of the championship by doing that, not encourage more teams in.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:12

    FakeKazNakajima: There goes my Ferrari drive. Boo.

    :)

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 15:12

    the little scrolling bar thing said 'breaking news: Ferrari pull out of next year's formula 1 championship'

    :s

    I'm sure Ferrari don't mind the media exaggerating, for once. it will direct all the vitriol at the Place de Concorde.

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_5317968,00.html

    From Skysports website.

    Technically, Ferrari can't pull out of next years F1 championship because they haven't entered in the first place

  • lou12/05/2009 at 15:12

    hahaha I love Fakejenson's tweet

    "I wake up from my Tuesday afternoon nap to hear about how Ferrari wants more attention? Sorry, it's mine now."

  • Colin12/05/2009 at 15:12

    F1 needs independant competition, otherwise there is no competition and hence no sport.

    The end is nigh

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:13

    "I wake up from my Tuesday afternoon nap to hear about how Ferrari wants more attention? Sorry, it's mine now."

    :D

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:13

    So the problem we have here is: Teams don't want a two-tier F1, but at the same time don't want the budget cap to be compulsary. The only compromise is to increase the budget cap to contemplate the wealthier teams. Other than that I've no idea how we sort this out.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:13

    Technically, Ferrari can't pull out of next years F1 championship because they haven't entered in the first place

    also a damn good point!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:13

    you'd force three teams OUT of the championship by doing that, not encourage more teams in.

    Push comes to shove, Bernie wants Ferrari, McLaren, and BMW over USF1 and Lola.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 15:14

    So the problem we have here is: Teams don't want a two-tier F1, but at the same time don't want the budget cap to be compulsary. The only compromise is to increase the budget cap to contemplate the wealthier teams. Other than that I've no idea how we sort this out.

    Well there's always Indycars..

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:14

    So the problem we have here is: Teams don't want a two-tier F1, but at the same time don't want the budget cap to be compulsary. The only compromise is to increase the budget cap to contemplate the wealthier teams. Other than that I've no idea how we sort this out.

    the problem with the increase is new teams such as usgpe and lola won't be able to come in. or at least won't be able to compete.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:14

    Push comes to shove, Bernie wants Ferrari, McLaren, and BMW over USF1 and Lola.

    agreed.

  • Kris12/05/2009 at 15:15

    Push comes to shove, Bernie wants Ferrari, McLaren, and BMW over USF1 and Lola.

    I agree, I can't believe that we wont be seeing them next year - despite whatever the political stunt du jour would have us think

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:16

    the problem with the increase is new teams such as usgpe and lola won't be able to come in. or at least won't be able to compete.

    Exactly. Increasing it only hurts the new teams looking to come in. As far as I can tell, they've nowhere near over £40million pounds. Unless they have very good sponsorship contacts. But even then, it doesn't guarentee a decent budget to run a team.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 15:16

    the problem with the increase is new teams such as usgpe and lola won't be able to come in. or at least won't be able to compete.

    What's wrong with the 'you must provide super cheap engines and stuff' route? They never gave that a chance really, did they?

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:17

    What's wrong with the 'you must provide super cheap engines and stuff' route? They never gave that a chance really, did they?

    nope, they didn't. max says times are hard and they have to act fast. he's using the economic climate to push forward ideals he's held for 20 years... and still he's failing.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:17

    What's wrong with the 'you must provide super cheap engines and stuff' route? They never gave that a chance really, did they?

    ferrari, mclaren, toyota, and renault already do it. any more of that and they'd be stretched too thin.

    LDM is playing this political game of chess to perfection.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:18

    What's wrong with the 'you must provide super cheap engines and stuff' route? They never gave that a chance really, did they?

    Somehow, the words F1 and cheap don't really go together these days when really they should looking at the state of the world's economy.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:18

    LDM is playing this political game of chess to perfection.

    it's a sight to behold. shall await the response from paris with interest.

  • Colin12/05/2009 at 15:20

    F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. How can that be if teams are capped on budget.

    Also, how can you entertain a two tier formula.

    IT WOULD NOT BE CALLED 'FORMULA 1', because IT WOULD NOT BE ONE FORMULA.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:21

    F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. How can that be if teams are capped on budget.

    Agreed, but no-one can really continue spending the levels of money they are right now because of the current economic situation.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 15:22

    it's a sight to behold. shall await the response from paris with interest.

    Is it a problem that if they react now it is bound to be because of Ferrari?

    I mean, everyone KNOWS that Ferrari = F1 but can the powers that be really be so obvious about it and not end up looking stupid?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:22

    it's a sight to behold. shall await the response from paris with interest.

    i have to admit, i hate to see politics tarnish F1, but as a political junkie, i can't help but admire how FOTA has moved to defeat the FIA. they've known when to be subtle, and when to be brutal. and so far, it looks like it's working. having bernie (and therefore CVC) on their side won't do them any harm, either.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:22

    F1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport. How can that be if teams are capped on budget.

    I think a budget cap is okay. A reasonable and realistic budget seems like a good idea. It's just what the FIA has implemented is so blatantly bad, it's a waste of time.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:22

    IT WOULD NOT BE CALLED 'FORMULA 1', because IT WOULD NOT BE ONE FORMULA.

    Semantics here (hey, I used to teach, give me a break, lol) - but formula 1 does indeed suggest the top tier, but not that it is uniform ... "one formula" it is not... there are several others.

    Its down to how you translate from the French basically...

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 15:23

    Hello all.

    Missed owt big today :D

    Just kidding, bloomin good plan by Ferrari though, though it is like rallying next to a cliff face.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 15:23

    I think a budget cap is okay. A reasonable and realistic budget seems like a good idea. It's just what the FIA has implemented is so blatantly bad, it's a waste of time.

    I could cope with the idea of a large-ish budget cap that gets progressively adjusted downward each year, but to bring it in so low meant this debate was inevitable

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:23

    please remember to see tongue firmly planted.... ;-P

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:24

    Agreed, but no-one can really continue spending the levels of money they are right now because of the current economic situation.

    I think Steven Roy mentioned it, or someone else, but let the teams decide how they want to be regulated! They're in the best position to know what will be the best for them. They know they need to cut costs, they have ideas, why not use them?

  • Colin12/05/2009 at 15:24

    I suppose the ticket prices will remain the same, so a certain person will not lose out

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:25

    I mean, everyone KNOWS that Ferrari = F1 but can the powers that be really be so obvious about it and not end up looking stupid?

    good point. but people will be asking for a response from him. i don't see that he has a choice.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:25

    Just kidding, bloomin good plan by Ferrari though, though it is like rallying next to a cliff face.

    it's a FOTA plan, not just by ferrari alone. and they're playing the right cards at the right time.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:25

    I think Steven Roy mentioned it, or someone else, but let the teams decide how they want to be regulated! They're in the best position to know what will be the best for them. They know they need to cut costs, they have ideas, why not use them?

    Since when has the FIA really cared about what the teams really want?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:25

    Semantics here (hey, I used to teach, give me a break, lol) - but formula 1 does indeed suggest the top tier, but not that it is uniform ... "one formula" it is not... there are several others.

    It's "Formula 1", not "FormulaS 1". It's singular, so it must mean it's one formula. :)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:25

    They're in the best position to know what will be the best for them. They know they need to cut costs, they have ideas, why not use them?

    Plus there are teams that are obviously functioning and competing well on less money than they could be already (as they basically don't have anything 'spare' being small, or new, or both).

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 15:26

    good point. but people will be asking for a response from him. i don't see that he has a choice.

    Like Amy mentioned earlier, if I was Toyota, I'd be a bit miffed right now.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:26

    I suppose the ticket prices will remain the same, so a certain person will not lose out

    his primary income is derived from tv monies. no ferrari would equal less viewers. he won't let this happen.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:26

    Um

    Nope - its 1 as in Premiere... top. That implies a status, not a lack of a multiplicity :-)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 15:26

    Like Amy mentioned earlier, if I was Toyota, I'd be a bit miffed right now.

    yeah they were pretty much ignored. poor timo ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:27

    Since when has the FIA really cared about what the teams really want?

    FOTA gave them a chance to change direction of their own accord. They didn't take advantage of it. After today, they'll be left with no choice, really.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:27

    Like Amy mentioned earlier, if I was Toyota, I'd be a bit miffed right now.

    they're the biggest car manufacturer in the world. they aren't the most enigmatic. they know their place :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:27

    Nope - its 1 as in Premiere... top. That implies a status, not a lack of a multiplicity :-)

    Yeah, I know. :) But I mean that the use of the word "Formula", rather than "Formulas", means that it should just be a singular formula.

    In other words, you're both right.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:28

    his primary income is derived from tv monies. no ferrari would equal less viewers. he won't let this happen.

    a LOT less viewers. CVC won't be able to pay their debt properly without it. as i said, checkmate.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:28

    FOTA gave them a chance to change direction of their own accord. They didn't take advantage of it. After today, they'll be left with no choice, really.

    Well then it's their own fault. If they had a chance to really get their wants across but didn't take it, that's their problem, not the FIA's.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:29

    Lol////

    depending on the language of origin(and its background language again) - in a name like this you wouldn't nec. see a plural participle....

    LPG has been reviewing a lot of latin stuff today....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 15:29

    Like Amy mentioned earlier, if I was Toyota, I'd be a bit miffed right now.

    Exactly. Doesn't matter how much money you spend, it's all about how much prestige you have...

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 15:30

    it's a FOTA plan, not just by ferrari alone. and they're playing the right cards at the right time.

    I know. The only ones the FIA would listen to were Ferrari

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:30

    Well then it's their own fault. If they had a chance to really get their wants across but didn't take it, that's their problem, not the FIA's.

    but they DID tell the FIA what they wanted. did the FIA listen before? of course not. that's why it got to this point.

    FOTA did what it could to avoid this, but the FIA insisted. Now it's become the FIA's problem.

  • Colin12/05/2009 at 15:30

    My last question.

    How long has Ferrari been the ERRaR in F 1 (error)

    Nice play on words eh.

    If you newspapers use it, remember where you saw it first

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 15:31

    Plus there are teams that are obviously functioning and competing well on less money than they could be already (as they basically don't have anything 'spare' being small, or new, or both).

    I've been stuck on this comment for a while. Isn't Brawn GP where they are now due large in part to Honda's massive funding for the car?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:31

    LPG has been reviewing a lot of latin stuff today....

    It seems like it, yes. ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:32

    I've been stuck on this comment for a while. Isn't Brawn GP where they are now due large in part to Honda's massive funding for the car?

    yes, that's true, but obviously honda would only pay them a certain percentage of the 2008 budget - probably less than 50% of it.

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:33

    I've been stuck on this comment for a while. Isn't Brawn GP where they are now due large in part to Honda's massive funding for the car?

    they are indeed. but the teams will all cut back naturally when they run low on money, there's no need to force it on anyone. honda pulled out to save what little face remained. they appear to have saved no money by quitting.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:33

    What has RBR's budget been like? They're doing well, but they're not one of the big spenders... right?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 15:33

    What they need to do is get all 10 team bosses, Max and Bernie, put them in a room together and they're not allowed to come out until a compromise that everyone's happy with is reached. But that could never happen of course. Ah well, we can dream...

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:34

    I've been stuck on this comment for a while. Isn't Brawn GP where they are now due large in part to Honda's massive funding for the car?

    I think yes and no on that. I've been told (reliably) that Honda (parent co) had cut the purse strings some months before Honda (race team) were forced to pull. I've also been told (again reliably, but by a different reliable person) that Brawn have got some serious savings into the way the cars are made and maintained and that these design and engineering things are the 'holy grail' of F1, both cheaper than the norm, and more effective....

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:34

    What they need to do is get all 10 team bosses, Max and Bernie, put them in a room together and they're not allowed to come out until a compromise that everyone's happy with is reached. But that could never happen of course. Ah well, we can dream...

    You mean like when they chose a new pope?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:35

    What they need to do is get all 10 team bosses, Max and Bernie, put them in a room together and they're not allowed to come out until a compromise that everyone's happy with is reached. But that could never happen of course. Ah well, we can dream...

    Nope, they'll just argue and we'll end up losing F1 altogether. Not a good idea.

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 15:35

    What they need to do is get all 10 team bosses, Max and Bernie, put them in a room together and they're not allowed to come out until a compromise that everyone's happy with is reached. But that could never happen of course. Ah well, we can dream...

    I like the idea of a cage match.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:35

    What has RBR's budget been like? They're doing well, but they're not one of the big spenders... right?

    Their budget is in between the independents (Williams, Brawn) and the manufacturers (Ferrari, McLaren, Toyota).

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:36

    I like the idea of a cage match.

    How about Last Man Standing? :D

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:36

    I like the idea of a cage match.

    I don't, I have a feeling Briatore would win.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:37

    What has RBR's budget been like? They're doing well, but they're not one of the big spenders... right?

    I suspect that RBR (and TR to a certain respect ditto) benefit hugely from there being a whole lot of different sports to draw on for R&D. They can spread the financial load right accross, and have the op. to try out this and that from one sport in another, and another and another... and like any good set of engineers/scientists/researchers they are not being system or sport specific, they carry their thinking around and see all the possible applications not just tying something to the one place or sport or thing that it was first mooted for.

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 15:37

    I don't, I have a feeling Briatore would win.

    You never know. Brawn could whip out a double decker chair on him. ;)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:37

    How about Last Man Standing? :D

    As I said.. neither is exactly in the first flush of youth.....

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:38

    You never know. Brawn could whip out a double decker chair on him. ;)

    :D Oooh... That's a chilling prospect. But they'd all probably gang up on Max first and beat him senseless.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:38

    As I said.. neither is exactly in the first flush of youth.....

    Neither are wrestlers. ;)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:40

    Neither are wrestlers. ;)

    lolol

    But these are from the next generation up again!

    Did you see how matey Bernie, Flav and the bloke from Ferrari seemed to be on the grid on sunday? I couldn't help but feel that they were all carefully standing 'just' far enough away from each other, and that they'd all stalk in completely different directions the moment the cameras were off them

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:41

    :D Oooh... That's a chilling prospect. But they'd all probably gang up on Max first and beat him senseless.

    So we get the independents on one side using max as a weapon, the manufacturers on the other side using bernie. Last team standing wins.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:41

    But they'd all probably gang up on Max first and beat him senseless.

    But would he mind... oh... hang on that's probably over the line....

    (but I'm posting it anyway :-P )

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:42

    F1's song at the moment:

    Sooner or Later, by N.E.R.D

    Listen to the lyrics, it's perfect. :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:42

    So we get the independents on one side using max as a weapon, the manufacturers on the other side using bernie. Last team standing wins.

    That's a Survivor Series type of matchup... I like it! :D

  • Colin12/05/2009 at 15:44

    One interesting option,

    Provide all teams with the best, fastest ever formula 1 car.

    No pit stops.

    Then lets sort the men from the boys - Drivers.

    We could call the series One Formula

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:44

    We could call the series One Formula

    That would be a spec-series then. I think that's too far away from what F1's about.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:45

    Where's everyone? Listening to my link, maybe? :D

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 15:45

    Provide all teams with the best, fastest ever formula 1 car.

    They tried that, except they called it the "Car of Tomorrow"... and named the series NASCAR.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:46

    That would be a spec-series then. I think that's too far away from what F1's about.

    And far too close to INdy.....

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 15:46

    Where's everyone? Listening to my link, maybe? :D

    Not much else to say is there? We'll have to see what the response is from the FIA.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 15:47

    Where's everyone? Listening to my link, maybe? :D

    I'm watching the Spain Forum because my download just finished :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:48

    Not much else to say is there? We'll have to see what the response is from the FIA.

    agreed. i was almost motivated to write a post when the headline came out, but what is there to say really? we know what's going on, we know why it' going on. we all expect the same conclusion will be reached.

    any space news?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:49

    Not much else to say is there? We'll have to see what the response is from the FIA.

    People usually jump to other topics, not vanish altogether. FWIW, the FIA already did give a response. It should be a very interesting round of negotiations between Max and Luca.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 15:49

    any space news?

    Nothing on the Beeb thus far :-(

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 15:49

    any space news?

    Homer was saved by an inanimate carbon rod.

    Oh, you mean the other launch

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:49

    agreed. i was almost motivated to write a post when the headline came out, but what is there to say really? we know what's going on, we know why it' going on. we all expect the same conclusion will be reached.

    Mr C? Write a post? That doesn't happen everyday. ;)

    any space news?

    nope, not til wednesday.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 15:51

    Oh, you mean the other launch

    :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:52

    Vee's tweet is brilliant.

  • John in Japan12/05/2009 at 15:54

    This place is evil! It's already 1 AM over here. I'm going beddy bye. Nice to meet you all and see you tomorrow. ;)

    oyasumi

  • me12/05/2009 at 15:55

    This place is evil! It's already 1 AM over here. I'm going beddy bye. Nice to meet you all and see you tomorrow. ;)

    ooops! night john.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 15:55

    Vee's tweet is brilliant.

    :D

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 15:56

    This place is evil! It's already 1 AM over here. I'm going beddy bye. Nice to meet you all and see you tomorrow. ;)

    night!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 15:56

    This place is evil! It's already 1 AM over here. I'm going beddy bye. Nice to meet you all and see you tomorrow. ;)

    oyasumi

    Takuma Sato! ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 15:56

    Night John. :)

    1 press statement, 362 news articles in less than an hour. Wow.

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:00

    1 press statement, 362 news articles in less than an hour. Wow.

    that is impressive.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:00

    that is impressive.

    not to mention the 2nd top sports story on google news.

    1 hour in, 385 articles. music to FOTA's ears...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 16:02

    1 press statement, 362 news articles in less than an hour. Wow.

    that is impressive.

    That alone is proof that F1 needs Ferrari, whether we like it or not. There will be no budget cap next year, I am almost certain now!

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 16:02

    I'm having a nose in my student cook book....

    "Quick Cheese Cake.

    Prep Time 15-20 minutes

    Refrigeration Time 4 hours"

    Now correct me if i'm wrong, but 4 hours isn't particularly short...

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:03

    i found out where amy went... she must've fainted:

    "Hi Guys it's Heikki here! Wishing you all the best, thanks for following us and see you again in Monaco!"

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:03

    Now correct me if i'm wrong, but 4 hours isn't particularly short...

    Don't some cakes take longer than 4 hours? All relative, I guess. :)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:03

    i found out where amy went... she must've fainted:

    hahaha, wow. Today really is f1 twitter day!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 16:04

    i found out where amy went... she must've fainted:

    Where are those smelling salts?...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:04

    hahaha, wow. Today really is f1 twitter day!

    F1 has finally made it to the 21st century. Hahaha!

    But why would Amy faint? It's not like the tweet was only for her. ;)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:05

    Do you have an oven? (and eggs if you eat those)

    Cheese cake can be had in under an hour that way :-)

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:05

    hahaha, wow. Today really is f1 twitter day!

    and one more from will buxton. i'm not copying though, cause it contains rude words.

    pretty much sums up the fia's position though.

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:05

    But why would Amy faint? It's not like the tweet was only for her. ;)

    he's on twitter, that's one degree of separation.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 16:06

    Cheese cake can be had in under an hour that way :-)

    that i would class as quick, 4 hours seems quite long

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:06

    he's on twitter, that's one degree of separation.

    one degree, all right - miles worth of cable wiring. :P

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:07

    pretty much sums up the fia's position though.

    doo doo or bye bye? i say eat the doo doo.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:07

    that i would class as quick, 4 hours seems quite long

    http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/3636/baked-vanilla-cheesecake would do you for starters .....

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:08

    James allen will be on talksport tonight if anyone wants to hear his sultry voice.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:08

    James allen will be on talksport tonight if anyone wants to hear his sultry voice.

    What time? What channel? This may be worth listening to...

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:09

    one degree, all right - miles worth of cable wiring. :P

    here he is. can't believe amy went to sleep.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:09

    James allen will be on talksport tonight if anyone wants to hear his sultry voice.

    Sultry?

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 16:09

    if anyone wants to hear his sultry voice.

    In the unlikely event that anyone wants to hear mine, I'll be on Radio Wales in about 45 mins...

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:09

    here he is. can't believe amy went to sleep.

    oops, wrong link. this is better:

    http://twitpic.com/51fvx

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:09

    In the unlikely event that anyone wants to hear mine, I'll be on Radio Wales in about 45 mins...

    coool. i may drop.io :)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:10

    What time? What channel? This may be worth listening to...

    #f1 - I will be on TalkSport radio (1089am) this evening at 8-30pm discussing the Ferrari news with Danny Kelly

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:10

    In the unlikely event that anyone wants to hear mine, I'll be on Radio Wales in about 45 mins...

    Oooh I'll be listening. Good old bbc radio wales.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:10

    In the unlikely event that anyone wants to hear mine, I'll be on Radio Wales in about 45 mins...

    oooh... worth listening to, as well. rushed interview appointment?

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:10

    oops, wrong link. this is better:

    I think amy *might* explode when she comes back on later

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:11

    Oooh I'll be listening. Good old bbc radio wales.

    no realplayer for me, so... can someone drop.io? :D

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:11

    In the unlikely event that anyone wants to hear mine, I'll be on Radio Wales in about 45 mins...

    iPlayer? I could do with something to bake to :-D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:11

    oops, wrong link. this is better:

    look at all those sanitised cubicles around him. how... mclaren.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:12

    no realplayer for me, so... can someone drop.io? :D

    I shall try my best if mr c cant get it

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:13

    I shall try my best if mr c cant get it

    good man.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 16:15

    fakeflav is talking to himself LOL

    fakeflav - @fakeflav can we talk about it after Monaco? I already printed the invitations & ordered the chrystal for the party

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:16

    fakeflav is talking to himself LOL

    :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:17

    great post from ollie. love the title:

    http://blogf1.co.uk/2009/05/12/will-max-mosleys-legacy-be-the-death-of-formula-one/

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 16:17

    rushed interview appointment?

    They rang up while I was hanging out some laundry and contemplating some transcription... I'm nowhere near an ISDN line so will have to do it from home. This raises some interesting logistical scenarios; the best phone is in the bedroom, but that also happens to be where Jasmine is sleeping at the moment. Do the sturdy folk of Wales need to hear a cat meeping about being roused from her slumbers?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:18

    Looking at the #f1 tweets, many (but not all) people are saying Ferrari are just acting like sore losers because they're faring poorly this year.

    I think they fail to see the point here...

  • lou12/05/2009 at 16:18

    oops, wrong link. this is better:

    what about this one?

    http://twitpic.com/51g5l

    his smile scares me a little tbh.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:19

    They rang up while I was hanging out some laundry and contemplating some transcription... I'm nowhere near an ISDN line so will have to do it from home. This raises some interesting logistical scenarios; the best phone is in the bedroom, but that also happens to be where Jasmine is sleeping at the moment. Do the sturdy folk of Wales need to hear a cat meeping about being roused from her slumbers?

    Awww... maybe you can carry Jasmine to another bed? :)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:19

    Do the sturdy folk of Wales need to hear a cat meeping about being roused from her slumbers?

    All I can hear at the mo is an ice cream so it'd be a change :P

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:19

    what about this one?

    http://twitpic.com/51g5l

    why do i get the impression he just got busted scribbling out lewis' signature?

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:19

    his smile scares me a little tbh.

    lmao!

    What.... I cant explain that picture. I honest cant. Who enlarged his head?!

  • lou12/05/2009 at 16:20

    why do i get the impression he just got busted scribbling out lewis' signature?

    :D :D

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 16:21

    Who enlarged his head?!

    Press officers stuck his head in a photocopier and pressed 'x1.5'?

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:23

    Who enlarged his head?!

    Its a bit Calista Flockhart et al isn't it?

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:23

    grandprix.com on today's announcement:

    "A civil war will help no-one. In the end, however, it may clear away some of those who are causing the problems. The big question is which of the characters involved become victims..."

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:25

    "A civil war will help no-one. In the end, however, it may clear away some of those who are causing the problems. The big question is which of the characters involved become victims..."

    As long as FOTA stay united, it's pretty obvious who'll end up being the victim here. But if this does not get resolved quickly, we'll all become victims.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:26

    "A civil war will help no-one. In the end, however, it may clear away some of those who are causing the problems. The big question is which of the characters involved become victims..."

    So who do SPC think are the Stuarts, and who the Cromwellians?

    (or Confederates and Unionists if you prefer...)

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 16:26

    I DIDNT GO TO SLEEP MY INTERNET BROKE AAAAAAH

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:27

    I DIDNT GO TO SLEEP MY INTERNET BROKE AAAAAAH

    oh dear.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 16:27

    I DIDNT GO TO SLEEP MY INTERNET BROKE AAAAAAH

    awwwwwwwww

    sidepodhugs for Amy.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 16:27

    I DIDNT GO TO SLEEP MY INTERNET BROKE AAAAAAH

    He's still there Amy! There's still time to declare undying love!

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 16:27

    that tweet was so for me and you know it. don't pretend otherwise ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:27

    I DIDNT GO TO SLEEP MY INTERNET BROKE AAAAAAH

    Is it working now?

    You've got lots to catch up on, dear.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:27

    I DIDNT GO TO SLEEP MY INTERNET BROKE AAAAAAH

    awww :(

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:28

    that tweet was so for me and you know it. don't pretend otherwise ;)

    it was for everyone, not just you. :P

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:28

    ...and joe's personal thoughts.

    what's with all the swearing today?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 16:28

    Is it working now?

    switched to the 3g, stupid wireless. I might have to consider getting my own connection the neighbours are just toooo unreliable. And missing Heikki tweets is the last straw!

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 16:28

    (or Confederates and Unionists if you prefer...)

    The FIA are totally the British, and FOTA are the Bostonians dressed as native americans throwing their tea into the ocean.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:30

    (or Confederates and Unionists if you prefer...)

    I prefer this one. This is confusing - in this scenario, it's the Confederates who are the good guys, and the Unionists who are the bad guys. What will happen? Hopefully, Washington (Mosley) will have to compromise with the Confederacy (FOTA) to keep the Union intact.

    But of course, the American Civil War didn't go down like that in reality...

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:30

    The FIA are totally the British, and FOTA are the Bostonians dressed as native americans throwing their tea into the ocean.

    Lol

    Well that was the 3rd option, I was trying to avoid pitting nations against each other ....( With my background you just don't go there!)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:30

    Oh yeah I was writing an assignment wasnt I... damn you ferrari

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:31

    Well that was the 3rd option, I was trying to avoid pitting nations against each other ....( With my background you just don't go there!)

    But back then, the US was merely a British colony...

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:32

    But of course, the American Civil War didn't go down like that in reality...

    Plus there were a fair few assassinations, on both sides... 'here' one side just chopped the head off a king (erk!)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:33

    Plus there were a fair few assassinations, on both sides... 'here' one side just chopped the head off a king (erk!)

    That doesn't bode too well for Max, then, does it?

    Then again, he can take comfort in the fact that Balestre survived the First F1 Civil War... until Mosley himself ousted him.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:34

    But back then, the US was merely a British colony...

    I now have the image of ferrari dumping a load of manure on the steps of the FIA... just a 'normal' protest in France then....

    LPG creeps away...

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:35

    that tweet was so for me and you know it. don't pretend otherwise ;)

    if heikki is the fifth driver. who's mclaren's number 2?

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 16:36

    if heikki is the fifth driver. who's mclaren's number 2?

    nicole?

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 16:36

    I'm mostly away from the comments for the best part of a week and when I come back the first thing I read is about the American Civil War. And that is why I love Sidepodcast :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:36

    Stuart, do you know if you're going to be talking to roy noble on bbc radio wales? he's presenting at the moment anyways, and he's a big cuddly legend :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:37

    I'm mostly away from the comments for the best part of a week and when I come back the first thing I read is about the American Civil War. And that is why I love Sidepodcast :D

    that's Ferrari and LPG's fault. :D

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 16:37

    Hypothetically speaking, we'd have 10 teams next year and not the much hyped 13.

    Possible Entrants

    USGPE

    Lola

    Prodrive/Aston Martin

    iSport International

    Leaving

    Ferrari

    Red Bull

    Toro Rosso

    Toyota

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:37

    if heikki is the fifth driver. who's mclaren's number 2?

    nicole?

    :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:38

    Wait, scrap that, he's not anymore.Shame :(

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:38

    nicole?

    Isn't that Renault?

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:38

    Leaving

    Ferrari

    Red Bull

    Toro Rosso

    Toyota

    you've missed mclaren and renault from that list.

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:38

    nicole?

    Isn't that Renault?

    :D :D

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 16:39

    you've missed mclaren and renault from that list.

    I thought BMW were going as well?

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:39

    I thought BMW were going as well?

    and them.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:39

    that's Ferrari and LPG's fault. :D

    I was trying to work out a relevance for all... it occurred to me that unless you are UK based and 'educated' before 85 then you might not know much about the civil war here or those in Europe....

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:39

    Hypothetically speaking, we'd have 10 teams next year and not the much hyped 13.

    One must assume BMW and Renault will also leave if things stay as they are. Even McLaren and Brawn will probably leave at this rate.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:40

    I was trying to work out a relevance for all... it occurred to me that unless you are UK based and 'educated' before 85 then you might not know much about the civil war here or those in Europe....

    I know about it, but Cromwell's thing lasted way too long for it to make a good example. :)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:40

    There is nothing guaranteed wrt any of them being around next year....

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 16:40

    I did a Massa on the way home from work, and found two of my nearest petrol stations closed.

    Made it cross the finish line in the end though.

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 16:41

    All this talk of the 1999 season has reminded me of the utter abomination of the red Winfield Williams. What an awful looking car, and it neatly coincided with the terminal decline of the team's performance.

    What were they thinking of?

    That was hideous. Almost as bad as the ****ING Renault this year

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:41

    Made it cross the finish line in the end though.

    Good! Hehe. Now that you're back, see what's broken loose.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:41

    I did a Massa on the way home from work, and found two of my nearest petrol stations closed.

    if only you had Rob on the other end of the line telling you to slow down a bit :P

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:41

    I did a Massa on the way home from work, and found two of my nearest petrol stations closed.

    Made it cross the finish line in the end though.

    you should've rang me up and bitched about losing position...

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 16:41

    do you know if you’re going to be talking to roy noble on bbc radio wales?

    Unknown. I've sneaked in and brought the handset downstairs. The Jasminator stirred but didn't get up.

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 16:42

    #f1 - Ferrari are going to make quite a significant statement very shortly. Their involvement in F1 is at stake.

    My guess... Entry into 2010 dependent on the budget cap being sccrapped

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 16:42

    you've missed mclaren and renault from that list.

    Renault would probably go with the capped rule, simply because the board has always questionsed the expenditure on F1.

    Have McLaren come out and said they would? must have missed that :D

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:42

    I know about it, but Cromwell's thing lasted way too long for it to make a good example. :)

    ROFL

    Oh, if you want UK and short and sweet then you're back to 1685 (Sedgemoor) or maybe Hastings then...

    Ooooooo there is definately an analogy between 1066 and onwards and the whole FIA/FOTA thing - even down to the Angles/Saxony v. the Normans...

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 16:42

    I did a Massa on the way home from work, and found two of my nearest petrol stations closed.

    Fuel map 2, baby!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:42

    Mr C, language?

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 16:43

    My guess... Entry into 2010 dependent on the budget cap being sccrapped

    Ok - it hadn't caught up with all the comment after waking it up... :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:43

    Unknown. I've sneaked in and brought the handset downstairs. The Jasminator stirred but didn't get up.

    He's off now anyways, i got my times all mixed up :P

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:43

    Ooooooo there is definately an analogy between 1066 and onwards and the whole FIA/FOTA thing - even down to the Angles/Saxony v. the Normans...

    I#m sorry.... I've definately been in the books too much this afternoon (vrf)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:43

    Renault would probably go with the capped rule, simply because the board has always questionsed the expenditure on F1.

    Even Flav has said he opposes it, if I remember correctly. Renault's concern isn't cost, it's about winning to justify that cost.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 16:44

    Mr C, language?

    It's all about the context.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:44

    I#m sorry.... I've definately been in the books too much this afternoon (vrf)

    It's all right - will we see William the Conqueror and boiling cauldrons of tar then? :D

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 16:45

    ok now i really must sleep, and have happy twitter dreams

    night all :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:45

    It's all about the context.

    Fair enough. :) Hehehe. Will you have enough fuel to make it back to a petrol station tomorrow?

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 16:45

    if only you had Rob on the other end of the line telling you to slow down a bit :P

    If only :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:45

    ok now i really must sleep, and have happy twitter dreams

    night all :)

    Night, Amy. :)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 16:45

    ok now i really must sleep, and have happy twitter dreams night all

    So you read Heikki's tweet then? :D

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 16:46

    Fair enough. :) Hehehe. Will you have enough fuel to make it back to a petrol station tomorrow?

    Thankfully I found one in the end. Quite out of my way though.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:46

    It's all right - will we see William the Conqueror and boiling cauldrons of tar then? :D

    rofl.... lets see. One promises something to the other, renages on it, and the others successor comes over and twocks the successor of the first. But is only 'lucky' to do so because a 3rd force had had to be repelled first and a long route march tired everyone out and they had no chance to refuel......

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 16:47

    Even Flav has said he opposes it, if I remember correctly. Renault's concern isn't cost, it's about winning to justify that cost.

    Very true, but they might look at F1 better if they were not paying out so much even without the wins. Mind you that will happen if the get rid of Flavio, mind you there will be a few team bosses out of jobs soon.

  • Amy12/05/2009 at 16:47

    So you read Heikki's tweet then? :D

    yes it was so nice of him to tweet solely for me and me alone and not anyone else ;)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:47

    Thankfully I found one in the end. Quite out of my way though.

    At least you found one - that's what counts. :)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 16:47

    rofl.... lets see. One promises something to the other, renages on it, and the others successor comes over and twocks the successor of the first. But is only 'lucky' to do so because a 3rd force had had to be repelled first and a long route march tired everyone out and they had no chance to refuel......

    Oh - and I'm rather intrigued by whom it is knows this stuff... the 'classical' english education is obviously alive and well, just not in England :-)

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 16:47

    So you read Heikki's tweet then? :D

    How many did he do? I only saw one.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:48

    yes it was so nice of him to tweet solely for me and me alone and not anyone else ;)

    sure, go ahead, you can think what you want... :P

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:49

    Oh - and I'm rather intrigued by whom it is knows this stuff... the 'classical' english education is obviously alive and well, just not in England :-)

    nah, i'm just really a history junkie. i read about it on my own, not taught in school. :D and we weren't really a british colony for very long - weeks, at most. ;)

    i'm the exception, not the rule. :P

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 16:49

    what about this one?

    http://twitpic.com/51g5l

    I have one problem with that, the caption.

    "Here's Heikki at MTC today - busy in the simulator but wanted to drop you guys a smile!"

    Doesn't look like he's in the simulator or even there to do that.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:49

    rofl.... lets see. One promises something to the other, renages on it, and the others successor comes over and twocks the successor of the first. But is only 'lucky' to do so because a 3rd force had had to be repelled first and a long route march tired everyone out and they had no chance to refuel......

    Who's the 3rd force now, then?

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:52

    Here we go, ferrari on bbc radio wales and stuart!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:54

    I've been reading mainstream reaction to the Ferrari announcement, and I'm surprised how many people seem to think that Ferrari is acting on its own here. Had they dug a little deeper, they'd see that Ferrari isn't the only team threatening to pull out...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:54

    Here we go, ferrari on bbc radio wales and stuart!

    drop.io when done - you're the best! :)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:55

    hehehe, I like his comparison of Ferrari leaving to Man Utd leaving the Premier League to play in a pub league.

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:55

    Here we go, ferrari on bbc radio wales and stuart!

    blast, missed the first question, did you get it lukeh?

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:56

    blast, missed the first question, did you get it lukeh?

    Am recording now :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:56

    I do have it all, I should say, introduction too.

  • Alex12/05/2009 at 16:56

    hehehe, I like his comparison of Ferrari leaving to Man Utd leaving the Premier League to play in a pub league.

    Its a good comparison imo!

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:57

    I do have it all, I should say, introduction too.

    good man.

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 16:58

    Listening on Sky :D

  • michael12/05/2009 at 16:58

    I can stick up a mp3 on sendspace of the radio wales chat if anyone wants it

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 16:58

    Woo, found Radio Wales. My Welsh housemate is chuffed :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 16:58

    Ok, all done. Uploading onto drop.io now.

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 16:59

    Woo, found Radio Wales. My Welsh housemate is chuffed :D

    Just in time to hear him say goodbye :(

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:59

    I can stick up a mp3 on sendspace of the radio wales chat if anyone wants it

    hey, michael! no worries, lukeh is already recording it. :)

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 16:59

    Ok, all done. Uploading onto drop.io now.

    Woo!

  • me12/05/2009 at 16:59

    hands up who isn't recording bbc wales right now?

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 16:59

    Did I just say 'mountebank' on the radio? Got carried away there.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 16:59

    hands up who isn't recording bbc wales right now?

    i'm not. :P

    lukeh! w00t!

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 16:59

    Woo, found Radio Wales. My Welsh housemate is chuffed :D

    So you find it and it finishes, tough luck

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:00

    Did I just say 'mountebank' on the radio? Got carried away there.

    we'll find out when lukeh's uploaded it. :P

  • lou12/05/2009 at 17:00

    hands up who isn't recording bbc wales right now?

    *puts hand up* i have no idea how to :(

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 17:00

    hands up who isn't recording bbc wales right now?

    I think I'm still sulking that Radio Newcastle doesn't care. Anyone want an interview with Alan Shearer?

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 17:01

    I think I'm still sulking that Radio Newcastle doesn't care. Anyone want an interview with Alan Shearer?

    Who?

  • lou12/05/2009 at 17:01

    Did I just say 'mountebank' on the radio? Got carried away there.

    twas good listening, well done Stuart :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 17:02

    Did I just say 'mountebank' on the radio? Got carried away there.

    that was brilliant. they could've given you a chance to say goodbye though? there might have been some extended friends and family you wished to give a shout out to or something.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 17:02

    twas good listening, well done Stuart :D

    yep you did a good job :)

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 17:02

    Who?

    Exactly, who cares. I want a good F1 following up here

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 17:03

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/stuart-c-radio-mp3

    woo!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:03

    David Croft interview:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8046604.stm

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 17:03

    that was brilliant. they could've given you a chance to say goodbye though? there might have been some extended friends and family you wished to give a shout out to or something.

    I thought that!

  • me12/05/2009 at 17:04

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/stuart-c-radio-mp3

    woo!

    cheers lukeh!

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 17:04

    ah bum, there's a tweetdeck jingle 50 seconds in... oops..

    just to not make you tweetdeckers paranoid if you hear it and wonder what the hell's going on :P

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 17:05

    ah bum, there's a tweetdeck jingle 50 seconds in... oops..

    hehehe

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:06

    Eddie Jordan interview:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8046739.stm

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 17:06

    that was brilliant. they could've given you a chance to say goodbye though? there might have been some extended friends and family you wished to give a shout out to or something.

    Extended friends and family or website you visit sometimes? :)

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 17:06

    If Ferrari do pull out for a year and then come back in in 2011 - would they be allowed to spend the year testing their 2011 car designs?

  • michael12/05/2009 at 17:06

    It'll be interesting to see how the Max-Bernie relationship develops and who has the real power. I've always assumed that Bernie was the the real boss and Max was the puppet, but since spank-gate Max has seemingly shown a lot more independence.

    Surely ferrari are trying to force Bernie into neutering Max(not literally).

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:07

    Surely ferrari are trying to force Bernie into neutering Max(not literally).

    yup, that sounds about right.

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 17:07

    ah bum, there's a tweetdeck jingle 50 seconds in... oops..

    haha

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:07

    If Ferrari do pull out for a year and then come back in in 2011 - would they be allowed to spend the year testing their 2011 car designs?

    i don't think anyone's thought that through. ;)

  • me12/05/2009 at 17:07

    Extended friends and family or website you visit sometimes? :)

    :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 17:08

    If Ferrari do pull out for a year and then come back in in 2011 - would they be allowed to spend the year testing their 2011 car designs?

    i don't think anyone's thought that through. ;)

    bloomin' good question.

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 17:08

    If Ferrari do pull out for a year and then come back in in 2011 - would they be allowed to spend the year testing their 2011 car designs?

    I remember thinking a similar thing when this years regulations were announced.

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:08

    Stuart, you DID say Mountebank! :P

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:11

    Great interview, Stuart! Cheers for recording, Lukeh. :)

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 17:12

    If Ferrari do pull out for a year and then come back in in 2011 - would they be allowed to spend the year testing their 2011 car designs?

    Would also put to pay the Alonso for Ferrari in 2010 links we've had for about 2 quintillion years

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 17:13

    you DID say Mountebank

    Got to love the definition in the Shorter Oxford: "An itinerant quack who from a platform appealed to his audience by means of stories, tricks, juggling, and the like, often with the assistance of a professional clown."

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 17:13

    Great interview, Stuart! Cheers for recording, Lukeh. :)

    Ditto, cheers Lukeh, you are awesome

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:14

    Got to love the definition in the Shorter Oxford: "An itinerant quack who from a platform appealed to his audience by means of stories, tricks, juggling, and the like, often with the assistance of a professional clown."

    Did you have anyone in mind, Stuart? ;)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 17:14

    Great interview, Stuart! Cheers for recording, Lukeh. :)

    no problemo :)

  • 2008 SPC-land Fantasy Racers Champions Jordan F112/05/2009 at 17:15

    Afternoon everyone:

    What bugs me about this cost cap is all the stuff that is not covered by the cost cap that can help a F1 down the road.

    Like, how much money does Ferrari or McLaren spent on the bloody stupid unvailing of the cars? Yet how much does all that silly glamour stuff attract sponours that just might be able to blow their R&R budgets to test their new products before sending it out to the general public?

    Like say Shell adds more octane to standard grade gasoline, it gets a performance advantage, and it will be offered at the same price as the its other retail gasoline competitors. Shell then offers it to the Ferrari team, And Kimi starts lapping the field eating ice cream cone in one hand at the same time.....

    The point is, here is a advantage gained by Ferrari from their old partner Shell, without Ferrari having to spend a penny of its budget to do so. However, to get my (say Williams') Marketing department to steal Shell from Ferrari, I am sure I am going to blow way more than 40 million pounds to do so. Which is completly legel under the proposed cap.

    Silly you say? I remember reading an article in F1 Racing in either 96, 97, or 98 When Sir Jackie Stewart was complaining about the nature of some expenses, and finding out that the transport truck had windshield wipers installed on their headlights for 50 000 each! I can not remember if the price was in pounds or dollars, he did not not really enhance the reputation of the fraugal Scot by wondering why does a truck need 50 000 whatever windshield wipers isntalled on headlights....

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 17:15

    Oooh. Top Gear Australia is back. :D

    No Charlie Cox. :(

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 17:15

    What's a tweetdeck jingle? Is that like the bit in that recent Madonna song where it makes a pinging noise like she's opened her car door with the key still in the ignition?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:17

    The point is, here is a advantage gained by Ferrari from their old partner Shell, without Ferrari having to spend a penny of its budget to do so. However, to get my (say Williams') Marketing department to steal Shell from Ferrari, I am sure I am going to blow way more than 40 million pounds to do so. Which is completly legel under the proposed cap.

    In such a case, the cost of developing that new gasoline will also be added to Ferrari's expenses (even if Ferrari didn't spend it themselves). At least that's how I understood it.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 17:18

    What's a tweetdeck jingle? Is that like the bit in that recent Madonna song where it makes a pinging noise like she's opened her car door with the key still in the ignition?

    :D

    it's the little noise Tweetdeck makes when you get a new twitter message. I'm just pleased it was that milisecond minute noise and not the notification sound I had on twitterfox for a day, which was a foghorn...

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 17:18

    Right. I really must:

    1 Feed the cats

    2 Eat

    3 Transcribe Gordon

    So ta ta for now...

  • me12/05/2009 at 17:18

    it's the little noise Tweetdeck makes when you get a new twitter message. I'm just pleased it was that milisecond minute noise and not the notification sound I had on twitterfox for a day, which was a foghorn...

    i didn't hear it in the recording?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:18

    So ta ta for now...

    Later, Stuart. :)

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 17:19

    which was a foghorn…

    Indeed. People might have thought I'd had curry for lunch.

    TTFN!

  • lou12/05/2009 at 17:19

    So ta ta for now...

    bye Stuart!

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 17:20

    i didn't hear it in the recording?

    about 50 seconds in, but it's not really noticable, just noticed it myself frist time listening back

  • me12/05/2009 at 17:21

    looks like formula 1 is in a whole host of trouble right now:

    "Formula One chief executive Bernie Ecclestone today admitted that F1 was teetering so near the brink of financial disaster he would not personally invest in it."

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:21

    about 50 seconds in, but it's not really noticable, just noticed it myself frist time listening back

    I noticed it too, but it's not anything that you'd pay that much attention too - it's non-intrusive. :)

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:23

    looks like formula 1 is in a whole host of trouble right now:

    Just goes from bad to worse, doesn't it? They'll probably sort this out, but in case they don't...

    GP1, anyone?

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 17:23

    "Formula One chief executive Bernie Ecclestone today admitted that F1 was teetering so near the brink of financial disaster he would not personally invest in it."

    oooh that fills me up with confidence! >.

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 17:24

    GP1, anyone?

    I was playing a double decker bus racing mod on rFactor today, I reckon there's a series to made out of that.

  • me12/05/2009 at 17:24

    Just goes from bad to worse, doesn't it? They'll probably sort this out, but in case they don't...

    i assume this is a call to the teams to say "you're getting less money next year, not more". not good though.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 17:25

    I was playing a double decker bus racing mod on rFactor today, I reckon there's a series to made out of that.

    :D

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:25

    oooh that fills me up with confidence! >.

    bottom line - f1 will hold up as long as the banks hold up. given that most of the troubled banks have closed by now, i think f1 will be safe from this threat.

    not sure about the ferrari threat, though...

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 17:25

    "Formula One chief executive Bernie Ecclestone today admitted that F1 was teetering so near the brink of financial disaster he would not personally invest in it."

    Did he follow that by saying "My bad."?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:26

    i assume this is a call to the teams to say "you're getting less money next year, not more". not good though.

    not necessarily. if their stake in f1's earnings increases, they may get more money out of it. regardless, this will be very bad news for cvc.

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 17:43

    Amongst all this doom and gloom, I've just noticed how much I like the numbers on the Ferraris. It's kinda similar to the font Puma use for their international football shirts.

    Wonder if I can download it anywhere......

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:45

    This looks like an interesting idea from kevpuk - not sure where he read it though:

    reading about the remote possibility for #F1 teams to buy loss making A1GP series, more likely compromise and no two tier technical regs

    hmmm.

  • michael12/05/2009 at 17:46

    formula one is a very odd business. Everyone is rich but nobody has any money. Teams are financial blackholes propped up by manufacturers and billionaires. Tracks are propped up by governments and are destined never to break even.

    At the same time, everyone drives an expensive car, wears a tailor made suit and skips around with a trophy girlfriend on their arm.

    Strange

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:49

    Strange

    The teams are poor, but the people are not. Said people are not willing to re-invest their money in these teams.

    That explains the discrepancy.

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 17:54

    The teams are poor, but the people are not. Said people are not willing to re-invest their money in these teams.

    Wouldn't the problem also be Bernie and co. taking 50% of the money?

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:54

    Wouldn't the problem also be Bernie and co. taking 50% of the money?

    But that wouldn't explain why said people are rich...

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 17:56

    But that wouldn't explain why said people are rich...

    But it would explain why the teams have no money...

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 17:58

    But it would explain why the teams have no money...

    That is true. :)

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 18:01

    But it would explain why the teams have no money...

    The money in F1 is just like the money in the world as a whole, there is plenty of it, but it's nowhere near being shared out equally. And yes, I do realise that I sound like a communist when I say that!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 18:10

    reading about the remote possibility for #F1 teams to buy loss making A1GP series, more likely compromise and no two tier technical regs

    Apparently, it came from behind the Great (Fire)Wall of AUTOSPORT Subscription: http://www.autosport.com/features/article.php/id/2162

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 18:11

    The money in F1 is just like the money in the world as a whole, there is plenty of it, but it's nowhere near being shared out equally. And yes, I do realise that I sound like a communist when I say that!

    No you don't.

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 18:12

    No you don't.

    Good, I try not to whenever possible :D

  • michael12/05/2009 at 18:16

    I believe it was Karl Marx who said:

    "A spectre is haunting F1 - the spectre of a two-tier championship"

    How right he was!

  • Journeyer12/05/2009 at 18:17

    Parting shot: Joe with a more level-headed look at the current situation here.

    Good night, everyone.

  • me12/05/2009 at 18:19

    night sir.

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 18:20

    night!

  • Vinnie12/05/2009 at 18:21

    g'night!

  • Karl Marx12/05/2009 at 18:23

    Bernie, like all other men, loves to reap where he never sowed.

    Car manufacturers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your wallets

  • Andrew Ryan12/05/2009 at 18:26

    Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No says the FIA, he spent too much money! No says Bernie, it belongs to CVC! No says the man in the boardroom, it belongs to the shareholders!

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 18:28

    Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No says the FIA, he spent too much money! No says Bernie, it belongs to CVC! No says the man in the boardroom, it belongs to the shareholders!

    I'm probably going to be one of the few to get that reference, but that's awesome :D

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 18:28

    Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No says the FIA, he spent too much money! No says Bernie, it belongs to CVC! No says the man in the boardroom, it belongs to the shareholders!

    God I'm so sad for loving this comment. Would you kindly slap me?

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 18:30

    God I'm so sad for loving this comment. Would you kindly slap me?

    You're not sad, you're awesome :D

    Anyone else really not looking forward to Bioshock 2?

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 18:30

    God I'm so sad for loving this comment. Would you kindly slap me?

    Nope! Its all too true... (although the boardroom guy is saying that, I would think that he was thinking 'directors bonus' in reality...)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 18:31

    Anyone else really not looking forward to Bioshock 2?

    ooo ooh ooh *raises arm* me mee!!

    I thought the original was one of the most compelling games this generation. The twist messed about with my mind so much.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 18:31

    Oh wait, you said NOT... boo. :(

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 18:33

    Oh wait, you said NOT... boo. :(

    I'm afraid so.

    I thought the original was one of the most compelling games this generation. The twist messed about with my mind so much.

    And that is why. I think it is one of those things that should be left be, no sequel necessary.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 18:33

    And that is why. I think it is one of those things that should be left be, no sequel necessary.

    Good point to be fair. Plus the guy what wrote the original isn't on board for 2... which is never good. :(

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 18:37

    Good point to be fair. Plus the guy what wrote the original isn't on board for 2... which is never good. :(

    Very few people form the original are involved, it's been shipped to another team sadly. From what I've seen so far they seem to have missed the point of what made the first so good. I hope I'm proven wrong though.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 18:42

    "....preparations for the 93rd Indianapolis 500, May 5-12, 2009."

    What does this make you think? Circuit? Anyone?

    Take a look

    http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/128638

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 19:04

    Ok lads and ladys, you have to read this, words don't do it justice;

    http://jonwaldock.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/dead-in-the-water/

  • chris evans12/05/2009 at 19:06

    Ok lads and ladys, you have to read this, words don't do it justice;

    Smoothly done :P

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 19:07

    Smoothly done :P

    thankinya ;)

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 19:17

    I haven't visited Christine's personal blog for a while so I thought I would have a quick look. I found an item on decision making web gadgets so i asked 3 of them if I should read all the comments I have missed today on sidepodcast and they all said no. What am I supposed to do for the next half hour now?

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/2009/05/06/i-used-to-be-indecisive/

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 19:20

    What am I supposed to do for the next half hour now?

    I wish I'd never wrote that post. I missed out on lunch cos of it and you're missing out on comments :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 19:21

    chris evans: 12/05/2009 at 17:24

    GP1, anyone?

    I was playing a double decker bus racing mod on rFactor today, I reckon there’s a series to made out of that.

    really? Got a link for that?

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 19:21

    What am I supposed to do for the next half hour now?

    Drink?

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 19:28

    I wish I'd never wrote that post. I missed out on lunch cos of it and you're missing out on comments :)

    I decided to ignore it.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 19:29

    I decided to ignore it.

    Good plan :)

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 19:41

    sidepodspace update: just turned on my tv, homer simpson is going into space. “3, 2, 1 make rocket go now”

    perhaps not quite the same as the launch i slept through.

    Sounds identical

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 19:41

    everybody gone quiet?

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 19:41

    everybody gone quiet?

    I'm editing a panel :)

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 19:41

    everybody gone quiet?

    I'm distracting myself too much from assignment work and revision with photoshop, although I've done a lot of assignment work today :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 19:42

    Christine: 12/05/2009 at 20:41:39

    everybody gone quiet?

    I'm editing a panel

    Good luck ;)

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 19:43

    everybody gone quiet?

    I'm pretending I'm doing something.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 19:43

    Lukeh: 12/05/2009 at 20:41:40

    everybody gone quiet?

    I'm distracting myself too much from assignment work and revision with photoshop, although I've done a lot of assignment work today

    Comp Sci WILL make you mental :(

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 19:44

    Comp Sci WILL make you mental :(

    Too late. I'm drawing Muse albums on paint.

    :(

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 19:44

    everybody gone quiet?

    I've just been eating, followed by reading other websites....

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 19:49

    I'm pretending I'm doing something.

    I do that all the time....

    Except for now when I'm having fun with the wiki :D

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 19:49

    Except for now when I'm having fun with the wiki :D

    YAY

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 19:50

    The thing that annoys me is that how can people assume that there is an alternative for the teams to running in F1? There is no other series remotely like it, ironically all the other single-seater Formulae are more like spec series (which the manufacturers are completely against).

    Do we really think the manufacturers can be bothered to go to all the effort to set up a rival series? The FIA will never mandate it so it's pointless trying. All we will see is a lot of b****ing, moaning and fighting and then somebody will back down and a compromise will be reached (where both sides will claim victory).

    What we are seeing today has happened many times before in F1 and will happen many times again... F1 will survive and we will see all the teams take part next year...

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 19:50

    Except for now when I'm having fun with the wiki :D

    Wooo.

    Now a few ground rules :)

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 19:52

    YAY

    It will probably be the only way I contribute to Sidepodcast other than commenting :P

    Now a few ground rules :)

    Oh? :D

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 19:53

    Oh? :D

    Just kidding. Just contributed so much nice to see someone else give some solid effort in.

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 19:54

    I honestly can't wait to finish this month of assignments and exams. One of the best things about not worrying about university in the summer is having so much more freedom to do other things with your creativty, there's so many videos and various other little things with art and photoshop I want to create and accomplish much like the Brawn video I made a month or two ago, or even little photoshop comic strips like I did at the start of the year, so it should be great :D

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 19:56

    I honestly can't wait to finish this month of assignments and exams.

    End of the month?? Lucky, lucky you.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 19:56

    RG / Mark Webber: 12/05/2009 at 20:53:55

    Oh?

    Just kidding. Just contributed so much nice to see someone else give some solid effort in.

    You've done so much I think we are just leaving it to you sometimes... ;)

  • toxicfusion12/05/2009 at 19:58

    End of the month?? Lucky, lucky you.

    I have until the 5th June and then I'm free from Uni!! :)

    Until next year...

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 19:59

    Your punishment for offences against the German language is suspended due to the fact that there has been a change of culture within you and that the course of conduct - or similar - will not be repeated.

    :D

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 20:09

    End of the month?? Lucky, lucky you.

    I finish this Thursday ;)

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 20:10

    I finish this Thursday ;)

    And I have to wait till June 24th

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 20:15

    me: 12/05/2009 at 17:18

    it’s the little noise Tweetdeck makes when you get a new twitter message. I’m just pleased it was that milisecond minute noise and not the notification sound I had on twitterfox for a day, which was a foghorn…

    i didn’t hear it in the recording?

    How come? It scared the Piquet out of me?

  • Selidor12/05/2009 at 20:17

    And I have to wait till June 24th

    i should point out that uni is more than just long holidays

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 20:18

    And I have to wait till June 24th

    June 18th! (I'm not here)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:18

    June 18th! (I'm not here)

    Where are you then?

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:18

    How come? It scared the Piquet out of me?

    i may have tuned out the tweetdeck pinger. christine leaves hers running night and day, thus i've learned to sleep through it.

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 20:19

    i may have tuned out the tweetdeck pinger. christine leaves hers running night and day, thus i've learned to sleep through it.

    Lies! I leave it running in the day. When you sleep is your lookout.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 20:19

    Where are you then?

    Theoretically I'm offline writing the last part of my project.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 20:20

    i may have tuned out the tweetdeck pinger. christine leaves hers running night and day, thus i've learned to sleep through it.

    I turned my noise off because it distracted me. Then I learned to turn tweetdeck off.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:20

    Lies! I leave it running in the day. When you sleep is your lookout.

    :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:20

    Lies! I leave it running in the day. When you sleep is your lookout.

    :D

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 20:20

    Anyway, I really am not here, so I'll pop my head in again in a few hours..

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:21

    Theoretically I'm offline writing the last part of my project.

    rofl...... well sometimes the best way to complete is to 'compete' :-D

    Lies! I leave it running in the day. When you sleep is your lookout.

    Siestas are definately underrated though :-)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:24

    Siestas are definately underrated though

    According to this programme about sleep I'm watching, the best time to take a nap is between 2 and 5 in the afternoon and for no longer than half an hour :P

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 20:24

    According to this programme about sleep I'm watching, the best time to take a nap is between 2 and 5 in the afternoon and for no longer than half an hour :P

    Yes, like they'll allow me to sleep during English.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:25

    i may have tuned out the tweetdeck pinger. christine leaves hers running night and day, thus i've learned to sleep through it.

    So this is another thing to add to my 'what is the point of twitter' mindset...

    (mind you - I just keep the speakers turned off for everything. Its when you get 5 mins into something playing oniPlayer and realise that you can't actually hear it that one remembers about the sound.... )

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:25

    Yes, like they'll allow me to sleep during English.

    hehe.

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:26

    So this is another thing to add to my 'what is the point of twitter' mindset...

    you can talk to heikki and sutil?

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 20:26

    the plan was to be in bed every night by 11 and its now 12.09. Problem was I did so well yesterday and got so much sleep last night I’m wide awake today.

    Withdrawal is futile

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:26

    According to this programme about sleep I'm watching, the best time to take a nap is between 2 and 5 in the afternoon and for no longer than half an hour :P

    Doesn't need to be a 'nap' either - reading a book for 30 mins will have the same stress reducing effect :-) As will 30mins TM (not that those of us with children ever get to do that these days!!)

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:27

    you can talk to heikki and sutil?

    Hmm.... well.... nope that just isn't floating my boat at all....

    :-D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 20:27

    Scott Woodwiss: 12/05/2009 at 21:24:00

    Siestas are definately underrated though

    According to this programme about sleep I'm watching, the best time to take a nap is between 2 and 5 in the afternoon and for no longer than half an hour

    Nico Rosberg takes a siesta by holding his arm out of the bed with a bottle of water in it ... so he drops it when he falls into deep sleep therefore only sleeping light. He swears by it apparently...

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:29

    Nico Rosberg takes a siesta by holding his arm out of the bed with a bottle of water in it ... so he drops it when he falls into deep sleep therefore only sleeping light. He swears by it apparently...

    Hmm, interesting :P

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 20:30

    Nico Rosberg takes a siesta by holding his arm out of the bed with a bottle of water in it ... so he drops it when he falls into deep sleep therefore only sleeping light. He swears by it apparently...

    One day he will swing his arm round and knock himself unconcious

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:31

    Nico Rosberg takes a siesta by holding his arm out of the bed with a bottle of water in it ... so he drops it when he falls into deep sleep therefore only sleeping light. He swears by it apparently...

    he also said he loves porridge with only water, and his ideal holiday is swimming in a freezing cold lake.

    personally i'm sticking with an alarm clock ;)

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:31

    One day he will swing his arm round and knock himself unconcious

    hehehehehehehe.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 20:32

    personally i'm sticking with an alarm clock ;)

    i use 2, i used to use 4 :D

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:32

    Nico Rosberg takes a siesta by holding his arm out of the bed with a bottle of water in it ... so he drops it when he falls into deep sleep therefore only sleeping light. He swears by it apparently...

    Depends on how far off ground said bed is, what the bottle is made of...

    .

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    and whether you have a helpful child or spouse or collegue who is likely to come along and gently remove said bottle from your hand to a slightly safer place and tuck your arm in

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:33

    And porridge made with water is yummy, as long as you have decent oats to start with :-)

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:33

    and whether you have a helpful child or spouse or collegue who is likely to come along and gently remove said bottle from your hand to a slightly safer place and tuck your arm in

    :D

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:34

    You can tell I tried this once can't you... was twarted by a 3 year old.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:34

    I see toxicfusion just can't stop editing the Wiki :D

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 20:35

    ferrari may be organizing the breakaway series we never had. and they’re forcing bernie to defect.

    Don't be surprised if Bernie is pulling the strings

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 20:36

    me: 12/05/2009 at 21:31:27

    Nico Rosberg takes a siesta by holding his arm out of the bed with a bottle of water in it ... so he drops it when he falls into deep sleep therefore only sleeping light. He swears by it apparently...

    he also said he loves porridge with only water, and his ideal holiday is swimming in a freezing cold lake.

    personally i'm sticking with an alarm clock

    You forgot the bit about mountain biking in the alps while doing this...?

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:36

    You forgot the bit about mountain biking in the alps while doing this...?

    he's plainly mental :)

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 20:37

    Aww, San Antonio Spurs think I support them on twitter. Must have got the Spurs confused. Bless

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:37

    I see toxicfusion just can't stop editing the Wiki :D

    top 500 this week?

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:39

    You forgot the bit about mountain biking in the alps while doing this...?

    he's plainly mental

    Is that regarding the bike or the alps part? Probably a lot less mental that driving around a track inches off the ground at 200mph though....

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:39

    Ooh this sleep programme has David Brabham on it.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:39

    Ooh this sleep programme has David Brabham on it.

    Section about jetlag with the ALMS.

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:40

    Section about jetlag with the ALMS.

    not franck?

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:41

    not franck?

    Well, David was driving for Acura, like Franck...

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 20:41

    Ooh this sleep programme has David Brabham on it.

    They should have Piquet on giving advice on how to sleep on a noisy Sunday afternoon

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 20:41

    Scott Woodwiss: 12/05/2009 at 21:39:55

    Ooh this sleep programme has David Brabham on it.

    Section about jetlag with the ALMS.

    What sleep programme is this? The 404 did a great podcast about it too...

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:43

    What sleep programme is this? The 404 did a great podcast about it too...

    Just looking on the BBC site now. Might be Horizon, not sure.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 20:46

    Reading back through the comments from today I can't believe anyone actually believed/believes that Ferrari is going to pull out. Enzo Ferrari made statements like this from the 1950s and the comany has constantly threatened to withdraw from the championship or not attend races. Ferrari will be in F1 next year as will all the other teams with the possible exception of Renaul and Toyota.

    They will be racing on the same tracks F1 is scheduled to be on and all the broadcast contracts will be the same. From an audience point of view nothing will change.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:47

    They're trying a way of beating jetlag with Brabham and Oliver Gavin. Brabham was to starve himself until he got back to the UK, while Oliver could eat what he wanted. The theory was that if you eat breakfast at say 7:30am while your body clock is still essentially in another timezone. So not eating until the first regular timezone in the country you've just landed in helps your body clock reset quicker and helps you get a better night's sleep, making you feel more alert and with better reactions and such. And it worked!

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 20:48

    So not eating until the first regular meal time in the country you’ve just landed in helps your body clock reset quicker and helps you get a better night’s sleep, making you feel more alert and with better reactions and such. And it worked!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)12/05/2009 at 20:51

    Scott Woodwiss: 12/05/2009 at 21:47:33

    They're trying a way of beating jetlag with Brabham and Oliver Gavin. Brabham was to starve himself until he got back to the UK, while Oliver could eat what he wanted. The theory was that if you eat breakfast at say 7:30am while your body clock is still essentially in another timezone. So not eating until the first regular timezone in the country you've just landed in helps your body clock reset quicker and helps you get a better night's sleep, making you feel more alert and with better reactions and such. And it worked!

    I can vouch for that - when I fly to NZ (12 hour time difference), I try and wake up on the "morning" of my arrival and eat around the breakfast lunch and dinner (the airlines often help with this). Then try and stay awake until evening and you'll sleep well the first night and not feel too bad the next day. It still takes 3 days to completely get used to the change but I never feel jetlagged when I do this...

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:51

    Reading back through the comments from today I can't believe anyone actually believed/believes that Ferrari is going to pull out.

    i guess it depends on how crazy you think max is. i can't see luca backing down if he's gone to the trouble of involving the board. someone has to give in a little.

    right now i'm not confident in saying that anyone will, or that anyone won't. fota have all the power, the fia appear to be screwed, and bernie must be rubbing his hands figuring out what he can cream off of whom.

    in the end it's the fans with the most to lose, but it'll be fun watching from the sidelines regardless.

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 20:53

    So not eating until the first regular timezone in the country you’ve just landed in helps your body clock reset quicker and helps you get a better night’s sleep, making you feel more alert and with better reactions and such.

    I used to set my watch to the destination time zone as soon as I got on the plane, then attempt to follow the meal time patterns of that time zone. Unfortunately they would then start dishing out the booze, which ultimately made a mockery of the whole project. Jet aviation makes tramps of us all.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 20:53

    i guess it depends on how crazy you think max is. i can't see luca backing down if he's gone to the trouble of involving the board. someone has to give in a little.

    I didn't say Max or the FIA would be involved.

    Either everything will essentially stay the same or the teams and Bernie will set up on their own. From our point of view nothing will change.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 20:53

    OK.

    Completely OT this... but does anyone here happen to be not in the UK and a Scout (or have a scout to 'hand')? I have a slightly miserable scout at this end who is only a letter from an overseas scout away from her gold chief scouts award....

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 20:55

    Completely OT this... but does anyone here happen to be not in the UK and a Scout (or have a scout to 'hand')? I have a slightly miserable scout at this end who is only a letter from an overseas scout away from her gold chief scouts award....

    They've changed a bit since woggles or what have ya.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 20:56

    Funnily enough, I was about to comment on the "10 Things You Need To Know About Sleep" (which UK readers will be able to find in the iPlayer, BBC One, 9pm once the program has finished) but evidently I wasn't the only one who spotted the Brabham/Gavin piece.

    Since my furtherest journey so far has crossed a mere one time zone, I am not in a position to add any personal experiences to the "how to combat/not combat jetlag" canon.

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 20:57

    Since my furtherest journey so far has crossed a mere one time zone, I am not in a position to add any personal experiences to the "how to combat/not combat jetlag" canon.

    Considering I get confused when I go to Cyprus, scared to imagine how going to New Zealand would fare

  • me12/05/2009 at 20:57

    Completely OT this... but does anyone here happen to be not in the UK and a Scout (or have a scout to 'hand')? I have a slightly miserable scout at this end who is only a letter from an overseas scout away from her gold chief scouts award....

    can i just say, this might be my favourite comment ever :)

    should we put a shout-out in the daily post?

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 20:58

    does anyone here happen to be not in the UK and a Scout (or have a scout to ‘hand’)?

    There is a scout hut about 100 metres from our house, but I fear that in the present climate of paedo-mania the powers-that-be would take a poor view if I attempted to 'borrow' one...

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 20:58

    There is a scout hut about 100 metres from our house, but I fear that in the present climate of paedo-mania the powers-that-be would take a poor view if I attempted to 'borrow' one...

    LOL

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 21:00

    can i just say, this might be my favourite comment ever :)

    agreed, i think Stuarts one is possibly my second favourite, but its close lol

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 21:00

    should we put a shout-out in the daily post?

    I don't know... She seems to have been left to sort it, after the 2 peeps the troop supplied details of have completely failed to response, and the person I located who was willing to supply a scout then got posted to Afganistan on 48 hours notice and couldn't carry through...

    I'm just at that :banghead: stage about this now...

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 21:00

    I thought you were in the UK anyway

    blockquote>There is a scout hut about 100 metres from our house, but I fear that in the present climate of paedo-mania the powers-that-be would take a poor view if I attempted to 'borrow' one...

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:00

    Either everything will essentially stay the same or the teams and Bernie will set up on their own. From our point of view nothing will change.

    the fans will loose out because it won't be a quiet war. this is likely to get more nasty and more public before it's resolved.

    i don't think they're will be a lack of racing either, in fact my biggest concern still relates to the banning of refuelling and nobody is blooming well talking about that :(

  • Lukeh12/05/2009 at 21:01

    Just wondering, when are the FIA presidency elections?

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:01

    Is there not a scout website with international contacts?

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:02

    jon, i left a comment on your site, but it appears to have gone awol. should i try again?

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 21:02

    in fact my biggest concern still relates to the banning of refuelling and nobody is blooming well talking about that :(

    Hmmm funny that... do you think this could be an attempt to 'distract' us from this happening with other matters?

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 21:02

    Just wondering, when are the FIA presidency elections?

    Too far away.

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 21:02

    I thought you were in the UK anyway

    True. But if I spirited one abroad in order to obey the letter of the request, it would be well Glitter, man.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:02

    There must be scouts on twitter

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 21:03

    Is there not a scout website with international contacts?

    Yes. But you need login details to access it, and DD1 doesn't have any (and there appears to be an inability to provide her with some)

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 21:03

    but does anyone here happen to be not in the UK and a Scout (or have a scout to ‘hand’)? {Comment #863}

    Bad news - the only Scout I know is very definitely English.

    Good news - there's a penpal program at Scouts International. I don't know if there are any special rules for the letter, but if any international scout under any circumstances will do, then contact the National Pen-Pal Co-Ordinator, David McEvoy and he should be able to help (the e-mail address is provided in a link from the Pen-Pal Co-Ordinator link).

    Come to think of it, the site appears to have an Australian address, so I suspect that David is himself an Australian scout. A letter from him responding to the request may in itself fulfil the criteria. Unfortuantely, I don't know for sure because I'm not going to be able to see my local scout again until Monday...

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 21:03

    There must be scouts on twitter

    He has a point

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:04

    Hmmm funny that... do you think this could be an attempt to 'distract' us from this happening with other matters?

    could well be. but thinking they got the ferrari board to convene just to distract us from the banning of refuelling is probably a step to far even for me.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 21:04

    Just wondering, when are the FIA presidency elections?

    i thought it was sometimes around November? but i think i'm just picking a random month in my head.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:04

    Get Kathi to skype a scout.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 21:04

    i thought it was sometimes around November? but i think i'm just picking a random month in my head.

    sounds right to me

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:05

    Get Kathi to skype a scout.

    :D

    :D

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 21:05

    You'd never be able to publish this nowadays...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scouting_for_Boys

  • RG / Mark Webber12/05/2009 at 21:07

    Do I smell a new blog?

    http://pitlanefanatic.wordpress.com/

    unless tweetdeck lies, lies, better not lie.

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:07

    Do I smell a new blog?

    w00000t!

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 21:08

    Do I smell a new blog?

    YAY!!

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:09

    You'd never be able to publish this nowadays...

    that is a rather unfortunate title, in hindsight.

    although S4G

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:10

    although S4G

    oops, i sneezed!

    was gonna say... although S4G seem to have made it work for them.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:10

    Stick scouts association into a search engine and you get all sorts of international scout groups from all over the world

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 21:11

    was gonna say... although S4G seem to have made it work for them.

    :D

  • Stuart C12/05/2009 at 21:16

    although S4G seem to have made it work for them.

    Pic on drop.io...

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:18

    I think Steven Roy mentioned it, or someone else, but let the teams decide how they want to be regulated! They’re in the best position to know what will be the best for them. They know they need to cut costs, they have ideas, why not use them?

    It wasn't me. I don't agree with that at all

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 21:21

    You'd never be able to publish this nowadays...

    They did republish this last year for the anniversary, as an official scouting publication though :-)

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:23

    Pic on drop.io...

    ahh, that's much better. can't help but think the chap deserved a bigger memorial though.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 21:28

    Apple news - OS X 10.5.7 is out. Adds support for some new digital cameras, but not the one that me owns.

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:30

    Apple news - OS X 10.5.7 is out. Adds support for some new digital cameras, but not the one that me owns.

    sidepodnews. doesn't download, doesn't install.

    am trying the full version instead, but software update = fail.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:31

    any space news?

    NASA are looking at pictures of some damage to tiles on the shuttle. Normal stuff that they can repair in orbit if necessary. They think they can see the cause from the launch video. Every mission they have a camera on the robotic arm scan the surfae of the shuttle for any damage.

    Closing on Hubble and will spenf the night in a parking orbit below it so that they can close the gap and dock tomorrow.

  • Scott Woodwiss12/05/2009 at 21:31

    Off to sleep now. Night all :)

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:33

    John in Japan: 12/05/2009 at 15:54

    This place is evil! It’s already 1 AM over here. I’m going beddy bye. Nice to meet you all and see you tomorrow. oyasumi

    I think we may have our next Amy

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:33

    night scott.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 21:34

    am trying the full version instead, but software update = fail.

    Same here - is that any surprise when everyone is trying to get it at once?

  • Al12/05/2009 at 21:34

    Completely OT this... but does anyone here happen to be not in the UK and a Scout (or have a scout to 'hand')? I have a slightly miserable scout at this end who is only a letter from an overseas scout away from her gold chief scouts award....

    I know some Irish sea scouts I could ask, would that work?

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:35

    Same here - is that any surprise when everyone is trying to get it at once?

    ahhh. possibly, yes. although the error was installation failure, but why did it try, when the file had only downloaded 22%?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 21:36

    ahhh. possibly, yes. although the error was installation failure, but why did it try, when the file had only downloaded 22%?

    I've no idea. Software Update usually works fine for me. Don't forget to back up before applying the update :)

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:38

    I've no idea. Software Update usually works fine for me. Don't forget to back up before applying the update :)

    what can possi...

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 21:39

    You know you've been here too long when you start wanting to use the word 'piquet' instead of other words lol

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 21:46

    This is one of the guys I’ll see at the WSR event at Silverstone. His name’s Jean Ragnotti and well…I’ll let you judge just how mad he is {Comment #251}

    He is also a sometime driver of the Safety Car, back when Monaco was allowed to choose its own Safety Car driver. In that capacity, he was notorious for an unfortunate collision with Taki Inoue's Footwork... ...while Taki still occupied the car.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 21:48

    Ah yes – well, it’s T minus two hours until the Gordon Murray interview, and then it’s just about done… {Comment #257}

    That's great :) Hope the path to publication is smooth.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 21:48

    what can possi...

    :D

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:51

    NASA just said that if necessary they could launch Endeacour on Monday for a rescue mission. First they launch ahead of schedule. Now they reckon they can organise a launch in 5 days. Something is wrong with the space time continuum.

    Docking with Hubble is scheduled for 11 am ish EDT / 4pm is UK tomorrow

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 21:53

    NASA just said that if necessary they could launch Endeavour on Monday for a rescue mission. First they launch ahead of schedule. Now they reckon they can organise a launch in 5 days. Something is wrong with the space time continuum.

    Now they are just showing off. A rescue misson would be the end of the shuttle.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 21:54

    Fisi seemed to think he was one of the fastest at the end, probably because of the tyres…

    he sounded like the most miserable man on earth. presumably because croftie was interviewing and not holly? {Comment #276}

    To be honest, he's sounded pretty unhappy every time I've heard him over the Spanish weekend (though when Martin was interviewing him on the grid, I suppose he did have cause...) I wonder if the disconnect between where he thought Force India were going to be by this point in the season and where they actually are is starting to eat away at him. He's saying the right things, but the tone reminds me of early 2001 and that is not a good sign.

  • me12/05/2009 at 21:57

    I wonder if the disconnect between where he thought Force India were going to be by this point in the season and where they actually are is starting to eat away at him. He's saying the right things, but the tone reminds me of early 2001 and that is not a good sign.

    could very well be the case. be interested to know what is bugging him, because with a rear-half of a slow mclaren and no kers, how well is he expecting them to do?

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 21:59

    Now they are just showing off. A rescue misson would be the end of the shuttle.

    They have to have the option of a rescue because they are going to Hubble and if they hit problems they can't just camp out like they could in the ISS.

    I don't know what the plan is if the second shuttle fails as I think they only hav one more operational shuttle and it is not ready to fly.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 21:59

    I know some Irish sea scouts I could ask, would that work?

    :-)

    Thanks Al and Alinora (email has been despatched :-) )

    Anymore? At this point DD1 would rather have a lot of letters to write than be left without any....

  • Christine12/05/2009 at 22:02

    The final podpanel of the series is up for anyone interested:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/05/12/sidepodpanel-why-does-god-hate-finnish-people/

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 22:03

    The final podpanel of the series is up for anyone interested:

    I listened to the recording yesterday and it was really funny. I am sure the edit is really good too

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 22:09

    For those who don’t know what we mean:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VkRgUcP_rM {Comment #338}

    I've seen it and still don't know what you mean. Though it resembled a leisurely jog rather than actual running, which maybe has something to do with me not understanding the joke (well, it wasn't exactly as if returning to the pits at full pelt was going to get him back into the race...)

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 22:14

    They have to have the option of a rescue because they are going to Hubble and if they hit problems they can't just camp out like they could in the ISS.

    All shuttle missons require a backup rescue misson. This one is only different because Endeavour has to be ready to launch within five days rather than the 28 days needed for ISS missons.

  • Trpzip212/05/2009 at 22:15

    Looks like Pitpass has started the silly season already :)

    http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=37893

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 22:22

    But how would the original tweeter know it’s the reply to his tweet? {Comment #370}

    Maybe because the tweeter would look at their comments and realise that was the one and only reply that made sense in the context. There were probably questions that didn't get asked, though, which might confuse things a bit.

  • Al12/05/2009 at 22:24

    Thanks Al and Alinora (email has been despatched :-) )

    I've messaged the scout I know and should hear back from her tomorrow.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 22:26

    Looks like Pitpass has started the silly season already :) {Comment #926}

    It's even less certain than Pitpass are claiming because Sutil's contract ends at the end of 2009.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 22:28

    ohhh… poor martin. gets blamed for every jinx on the grid. {Comment #371}

    I suppose that's the price of inheriting the "best British TV commentator" mantle from Murray Walker. The Walkerisms and commentator's curses come with the territory as surely as the plaudits.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 22:28

    The final podpanel of the series is up for anyone interested:

    I didn't realise the live shows were so mush fun until I watched the replay last night. You sound so professional in the edited versions!

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 22:38

    “Ferrari has confirmed that it will not enter next year’s world championship unless plans for a voluntary £40 million budget cap are changed.” {Comment #435}

    The questions are:

    1) How much change does Ferrari need to see exercised by the FIA before it acts?

    2) Why was the rest of FOTA not in on this (otherwise there'd have been a joint declaration of some sort, even if only some other teams were in on it)?

    3) On a similar note, how will this affect di Montezemelo's leadership of FOTA?

    4) How will the relationship between Ferrari/FOTA and FIA/Bernie be affected by this behaviour?

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 22:39

    The final podpanel of the series is up for anyone interested:

    Thank you, everyones been raving about it, i've been saving myself :D wooo excitement

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 22:41

    I didn't realise the live shows were so mush fun until I watched the replay last night. You sound so professional in the edited versions!

    The live shows are even better when you are in the comments live or on the show.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 22:43

    I didn't realise the live shows were so mush fun until I watched the replay last night. You sound so professional in the edited versions!

    hehe, everyone says that their first time :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 22:44

    2) Why was the rest of FOTA not in on this (otherwise there'd have been a joint declaration of some sort, even if only some other teams were in on it)?

    i think they are. but ferrari are happy to lead and the others are happy to let them.

    3) On a similar note, how will this affect di Montezemelo's leadership of FOTA?

    strengthens his position.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 22:44

    The counter-argument for it would be to make the budget cap compulsary. But obviously no-one really wants that either from what I’ve gathered. {Comment #466}

    Reason #1 being that the EU would fine the FIA to pieces if it tried, and anyone else who helped make it happen (which would include any team voting for it in FOTA proceedings, plus CVC if any link between it and the FIA could be proven in this matter).

  • me12/05/2009 at 22:45

    hehe, everyone says that their first time :D

    christine has some stunning editing skills. stunning.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 22:46

    christine has some stunning editing skills. stunning.

    That's very true, from what I heard

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 22:46

    christine has some stunning editing skills. stunning.

    "so, andy...why does God hate finnish people"

    :D :D :D

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 22:47

    Reason #1 being that the EU would fine the FIA to pieces if it tried, and anyone else who helped make it happen (which would include any team voting for it in FOTA proceedings, plus CVC if any link between it and the FIA could be proven in this matter).

    On what grounds? I don't understand.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 22:50

    Teams don’t want a two-tier F1, but at the same time don’t want the budget cap to be compulsary. The only compromise is to increase the budget cap to contemplate the wealthier teams. Other than that I’ve no idea how we sort this out. {Comment #478}

    I think the only thing the teams would accept is no budget cap at all. The teams feeling the pinch are quite capable of cutting back or leaving on their own initiative and resent some paternalistic governing body treating them like three-year-olds. It's now got to the point where the paternalism itself is deemed a reason to leave on top of everything else.

    The FIA isn't needed to save the teams from themselves; if they are salvageable, the teams will save themselves. In this scenario, the FIA's job is to help the teams who are struggling to keep their heads above water (or indeed to swim in the first place) - for example by loosening the technical regulations to allow multiple paths to a fast car - not to alter the complexion of the championship for absolutely everyone and risk backfiring.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 22:51

    1) How much change does Ferrari need to see exercised by the FIA before it acts?

    Remove the budget cap

    2) Why was the rest of FOTA not in on this (otherwise there'd have been a joint declaration of some sort, even if only some other teams were in on it)?

    They probably pushed Ferrari into going early so that it is harder for them to stab the others in the back. It would be a lot easier for Ferrari to renege against joint statement than an independent decalration.

    3) On a similar note, how will this affect di Montezemelo's leadership of FOTA?

    I think this is precisely the reason he was made leader. Rumour has it Ron Dennis was the man behind him being elected. He has a much harder job of wriggling out of the deal if he is leading FOTA.

    4) How will the relationship between Ferrari/FOTA and FIA/Bernie be affected by this behaviour?

    Ferrari/FOTA will be strengthened. Bernie will follow the money. So far that has meant the FIA but he would drop them in a second and side with the teams if there was a financial benefit.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 22:51

    Reason #1 being that the EU would fine the FIA to pieces if it tried, and anyone else who helped make it happen (which would include any team voting for it in FOTA proceedings, plus CVC if any link between it and the FIA could be proven in this matter).

    The FIA is not a national governmental organisation, and as such the EU has no juristiction to fine it.

    The *french* govt. could look at its practises wrt competition and mon&merg under its national laws (as the FIA has a headquarters in the country) but this too would be sticky.

    In the UK it would be fineable under the C&E laws if it was deemed to be using payments as a way to avoid duty, excise or taxation (for example the non-payment of VAT)... but as an org it isn't based here so that's a moot suggestion.

  • me12/05/2009 at 22:53

    mac stuck in endless reboot cycle!

  • lou12/05/2009 at 22:55

    mac stuck in endless reboot cycle!

    i thought macs never went wrong?

  • me12/05/2009 at 22:56

    i thought macs never went wrong?

    this one has

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 22:56

    mac stuck in endless reboot cycle!

    How many times?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 22:56

    this one has

    I told you to back up. ;)

  • lou12/05/2009 at 22:57

    this one has

    :( aww noo :(

    i hope it gets sorted soon.

  • me12/05/2009 at 22:57

    How many times?

    40 maybe?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 22:57

    i thought macs never went wrong?

    That's not strictly true. It's just that when they are working they work a lot better than Windows machines do. Plus Apple technical support is the best available - a fact recently verified by Consumer Reports.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 22:57

    i thought macs never went wrong?

    They don't. It probably has a very good reason to keep rebooting.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 22:57

    i thought macs never went wrong?

    DPs just froze here as well.

    Although apparently this is not the mac equiv. of the BSOD... oh no no no no nooooo

    :-)

    Mind you - first time in ages that its gone tits up, compared to this laptop which has gone tits up 3 times today, and yesterday had to be rebooted 3 times in under an hour.....

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 22:57

    40 maybe?

    That's not good. Damn.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 22:58

    Plus Apple technical support is the best available - a fact recently verified by Consumer Reports.

    You obviously never had to administer a network full of them

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 22:58

    DPs just froze here as well.

    Not related to the OS update though. I've not applied that yet, stil running TIme Machine.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 22:58

    40 maybe?

    :(

  • me12/05/2009 at 22:58

    I told you to back up. ;)

    i didn't say i haven't. i don't have time to reinstall though.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:01

    The FIA isn't needed to save the teams from themselves; if they are salvageable, the teams will save themselves. In this scenario, the FIA's job is to help the teams who are struggling to keep their heads above water (or indeed to swim in the first place) - for example by loosening the technical regulations to allow multiple paths to a fast car - not to alter the complexion of the championship for absolutely everyone and risk backfiring.

    I think as usual Max has seen a problem and come up with the wrong solution. I tend find that most problems and solutions in F1 come down to the technical regs. It is perfectly possible to design a set of technical regs that allow teams to build a reasonably competitive car at a low cost.

    We have discussed before banning carbon bodywork, wings etc and mandate aluminium or aluminium alloy. That not only limits the cost of materials but limits the complexity of shapes that can be made and therefore limits the number of iterations of design that can be made and tested and saves further cost.

    There are numerous other simple regulations that would slash costs and limit the amount of performance that can be gained by throwing money at it.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:01

    i didn't say i haven't. i don't have time to reinstall though.

    try powering off completely and then reatart.

    Also, have you tried a safe boot? Hold shift key down as soon as you hear the chime, then release when the apple logo appears

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 23:01

    I like the idea of a cage match.

    I don’t, I have a feeling Briatore would win. {Comment #533}

    I'm not so sure - I don't think he's got as heavy a right hook as, say, Stefano Domenicalli or Christian Horner, have.

    Or else Frank Williams would win because he could argue that everyone has to fight in a wheelchair to make it fair and while the others argued, he'd quietly sign the victory documentation and win by default ;)

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:02

    You obviously never had to administer a network full of them

    I don't see a problem, unless you were trying to make them play with Windows ;)

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:02

    try powering off completely and then reatart.

    aaaand we're back! reboot didn't help, but removing the battery did.

    0/10 for apple upgrade experience. vista-esque.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:03

    I don't see a problem, unless you were trying to make them play with Windows ;)

    Nope, it was just Macs. The local Apple rep basically said they are not very interested in their server products. Desktops are great home machines though.

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:04

    0/10 for apple upgrade experience. vista-esque.

    Was this 10.5.7 update related, if so:

    Combo or through Software Update?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:04

    Or else Frank Williams would win because he could argue that everyone has to fight in a wheelchair to make it fair and while the others argued, he'd quietly sign the victory documentation and win by default ;)

    There's a famous story about someone (can't remember who) who was challenged to a duel. As the challengee, he got to choose the weapon and location, so he chose woodcutting axes in a darkened cellar knowing that neither he nor his opponent could lift the axes.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:05

    Nope, it was just Macs. The local Apple rep basically said they are not very interested in their server products. Desktops are great home machines though.

    That's a pity because OS X server does a lot for not much money.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:06

    Combo or through Software Update?

    software update failed twice. went for the combo (400mb-ish download).

    got stuck in some kind of white screen/blue screen flashing loop.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:06

    going for a safari update now. wish me luck.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:06

    That's a pity because OS X server does a lot for not much money.

    I wish they never tried. I probably could have got a good system running with a Linux backend. Oh well, old news......

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:08

    software update failed twice. went for the combo (400mb-ish download).

    Hmm, my combo is 729MB from Apple download site

    Haven't installed yet, usually wait a day or two for the feedback to roll into the forums

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 23:08

    I’m having a nose in my student cook book….{Comment #567}

    I did some cooking of my own this evening. I'm really proud of myself because I managed to make a salad nearly all by myself :D

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:08

    Just reading some NASA stuff on the Hubble mission while listening to the edit of the podpanel. I think I can see why they are having problems with Hubble. Each NASA mission has a patch that has the names of the astronauts and some logo/drawing relating to the mission. The current STS125 patch makes Hubble look like a projector rather than a telescope.

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/shuttle/shuttlemissions/hst_sm4/overview.html

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:09

    0/10 for apple upgrade experience. vista-esque.

    it was bought to my attention that a pop up comes up when i plug any headphones in...

    "Information

    You just plugged a device into the audio jack"

    Really? I hadn't noticed! LOL

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:09

    software update failed twice. went for the combo (400mb-ish download).

    That's not the Combo, sounds like the regular update of 442MB

    I always go with Combo via Apple site

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:10

    You just plugged a device into the audio jack"

    I almost fell off my chair the first time I saw that. Nice to know the computer can tell you what you are doing

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:11

    Each NASA mission has a patch that has the names of the astronauts and some logo/drawing relating to the mission. The current STS125 patch makes Hubble look like a projector rather than a telescope.

    Is that what you get when you run the telescope in reverse? Or is it one of the new instruments they will be fitting?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:12

    I almost fell off my chair the first time I saw that. Nice to know the computer can tell you what you are doing

    Vista? :|

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:12

    I almost fell off my chair the first time I saw that. Nice to know the computer can tell you what you are doing

    i love vista now, i love how it asks me what to do, it's like the kid at work experience who dosent want to screw things up for himself so asks what he has to do for everything....oh no wait, that was me ;)

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:12

    Vista? :|

    Naturally

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:13

    You just plugged a device into the audio jack"

    I get that with Vista. Or I did before the damn thing died again

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:13

    Is that what you get when you run the telescope in reverse? Or is it one of the new instruments they will be fitting?

    Projecting images on to the Moon is the future of advertising.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 23:13

    In the unlikely event that anyone wants to hear mine, I’ll be on Radio Wales in about 45 mins… {Comment #584}

    Of course we do! I'll be sure to look for the inevitable drop.io, since I missed being able to hear you live.

    I have a good excuse though. At the time you were talking to BBC Radio Wales, there was a foal born at my farm. It's a brown filly with a big white blaze on the front and it's already showing an unusually high amount of determination/stubbornness for a horse.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:13

    Is that what you get when you run the telescope in reverse? Or is it one of the new instruments they will be fitting?

    I think it is just poor artwork. There is nothing being fitted that can create a universe.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:14

    I always go with Combo via Apple site

    ahh, may have picked the wrong one then.

    do me a favour. when snow leopard is released... do.not.tell.me. at least not for a couple of months.

    also, i want a quad-core macbook!

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:14

    Naturally

    Vista - the only OS that interrupts network traffic just so that you can be sure of hearing system sounds without stuttering.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:14

    Projecting images on to the Moon is the future of advertising.

    Someone will do it

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:15

    I think it is just poor artwork. There is nothing being fitted that can create a universe.

    You get an ebony bath, a conical one...

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:15

    Someone will do it

    Batman

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:15

    also, i want a quad-core macbook!

    Me too, or even just an iMac

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:15

    Someone will do it

    branson?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:16

    Projecting images on to the Moon is the future of advertising.

    Isaac Asimov wrote a short story called "Buy Jupiter" in a similar vein.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:16

    Someone will do it

    Sony? Love to see the Terminator up there

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:16

    do me a favour. when snow leopard is released... do.not.tell.me. at least not for a couple of months.

    Noone is forcing you to upgrade, you do know that. I am merely informing.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:17

    You get an ebony bath, a conical one...

    :D

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:17

    branson?

    That may be a very good call

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:17

    Noone is forcing you to upgrade, you do know that. I am merely informing.

    Some of us have this compulsive behavior whenever we see the word "upgrade"

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:17

    Noone is forcing you to upgrade, you do know that. I am merely informing.

    And as a rule, u[dating on the 1st day isn't always a great idea

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:18

    Noone is forcing you to upgrade, you do know that. I am merely informing.

    i can't help myself.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:18

    i can't help myself.

    Me neither. Wretched isn't it?

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:18

    i love vista now, i love how it asks me what to do, it's like the kid at work experience who dosent want to screw things up for himself so asks what he has to do for everything....oh no wait, that was me ;)

    cackle...

    we've all been there.

    Once I did a weeks work experience where I actually learnt something useful (Cdos6 to be precise)... other than that I just spent time dossing/working in studios where I would have been anyway (not that I ever told school that :-D )

    I don't love vista though... I'm treating it like the DCSF... not something I ever plan to come into even the vaguest of contact with

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:18

    And as a rule, u[dating on the 1st day isn't always a great idea

    you say it like there's some kind of choice in the matter? like the "update" button isn't literally glowing in anticipation.

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:19

    you say it like there's some kind of choice in the matter? like the "update" button isn't literally glowing in anticipation.

    :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:19

    Me neither. Wretched isn't it?

    i blame steven of course.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:20

    i blame steven of course.

    He knows best

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:20

    i love vista now, i love how it asks me what to do, it's like the kid at work experience who dosent want to screw things up for himself so asks what he has to do for everything....oh no wait, that was me ;)

    i'm now worried that i'm not running vista or anything. i don't get told when i plug headphones in or anything.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:20

    i blame steven of course.

    naturally ;)

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:21

    He knows best

    I bought Vista. I know nothing

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:21

    i blame steven of course.

    He knows best

    now that's an interesting spin on it.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:22

    i'm now worried that i'm not running vista or anything. i don't get told when i plug headphones in or anything.

    I'm of the opinion that I'm safer on XP.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:22

    you say it like there's some kind of choice in the matter? like the "update" button isn't literally glowing in anticipation.

    We were discussing OCD today at work. One of my colleagues said "I'm CDO." What's that I asked. "It's OCD but in alphabetical order" :D

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:23

    We were discussing OCD today at work. One of my colleagues said "I'm CDO." What's that I asked. "It's OCD but in alphabetical order" :D

    :D :D

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:23

    I'm of the opinion that I'm safer on XP.

    I ran up Win 7 yesterday. It's very pertty.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:23

    I bought Vista. I know nothing

    You're exactly the sort of customer that Microsoft loves best.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:23

    I'm listening to the Panel, has Scott undertaken the "EJ school of Kimi lacks motivation"?? ;)

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:23

    I'm of the opinion that I'm safer on XP.

    yeah you are. i prefer XP.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:24

    yeah you are. i prefer XP.

    :-D

    Although I'd still prefer a mac... hint hint

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:25

    I ran up Win 7 yesterday. It's very pertty.

    does seem better than vista. anyone have a release date for it yet?

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:25

    I ran up Win 7 yesterday. It's very pertty.

    I'm sure it looks nice if and when it works.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:25

    I ran up Win 7 yesterday. It's very pertty.

    Another Microsoft dream customer. To be fair though, they have come up with some cracking features in Windows 7, it's just a shame these features are mainly things that OS X has had for a while.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:26

    We were discussing OCD today at work. One of my colleagues said "I'm CDO." What's that I asked. "It's OCD but in alphabetical order" :D

    :D

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:26

    does seem better than vista. anyone have a release date for it yet?

    Probably sometime in your summer. Much better than Vista, but then that's not saying much is it?

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:26

    Although I'd still prefer a mac... hint hint

    i would LOVE to have a mac. but i have no money. Dad says he may get me one before i go off to uni next summer.... so i suppose i'll have to wait.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:26

    it's just a shame these features are mainly things that OS X has had for a while.

    Oh please don't start that one!

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:27

    I think if I had a laptop it would probably be an Apple of some type. If I got another desktop it would be a PC.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:27

    i would LOVE to have a mac. but i have no money. Dad says he may get me one before i go off to uni next summer.... so i suppose i'll have to wait.

    Make sure that you wait until you have something to show that you are a University student - Student ID = discount on the Mac.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:27

    does seem better than vista. anyone have a release date for it yet?

    Probably sometime in your summer. Much better than Vista, but then that's not saying much is it?

    i saw something tabout upgrading for free, but it only lasted a certain amount of time

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:27

    does seem better than vista. anyone have a release date for it yet?

    november or erm december i think.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:28

    does seem better than vista. anyone have a release date for it yet?

    Leo Laporte discusses Windows 7 in this weeks TWiT and no-one has a bad word to say about it. They had a lot of people on a phone call and those who had tried it raved about it.

    I wonder if Kathi hosts Leo's calls too.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:28

    Probably sometime in your summer. Much better than Vista, but then that's not saying much is it?

    well, no. but that's the best microsoft are going to get out me.

    the desktop backgrounds are nice too.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:28

    Make sure that you wait until you have something to show that you are a University student - Student ID = discount on the Mac.

    = very very useful sized discount, of parent pleasing proportions...

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:29

    the desktop backgrounds are nice too.

    Actually yes! Some beautiful photos. Thats what is so pretty :-)

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:29

    i would LOVE to have a mac. but i have no money. Dad says he may get me one before i go off to uni next summer.... so i suppose i'll have to wait.

    Have you started driving the car he bought you yet?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:29

    Oh please don't start that one!

    Why not? It's true. I watched the Windows 7 demo video the other day, the only really innovative feature was the ability to "snap" windows to the screen size.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:29

    I wonder if Kathi hosts Leo's calls too.

    does he randomly call strangers too?

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:30

    does he randomly call strangers too?

    No but he had about 20 people on one call

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:30

    Why not? It's true. I watched the Windows 7 demo video the other day, the only really innovative feature was the ability to "snap" windows to the screen size.

    os x can snap windows?

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:30

    No but he had about 20 people on one call

    oooooh. in that case she must be.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:30

    = very very useful sized discount, of parent pleasing proportions...

    I suggest either emailing me for details or getting yourself to the nearest Apple store and asking there.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:31

    os x can snap windows?

    No, but Windows 7 can.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:31

    os x can snap windows?

    No, but Windows 7 can.

    ahh sorry. misread your comment. hoping they'll sneak that into snow leopard then.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:31

    No but he had about 20 people on one call

    Wasn't that weird? Not as bad as I thought it might be though

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:32

    Make sure that you wait until you have something to show that you are a University student - Student ID = discount on the Mac.

    oooooo i'll keep that in mind. thanks! :D

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:32
  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:33

    Have you started driving the car he bought you yet?

    it's a long story :(

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 23:33

    what’s with all the swearing today? {Comment #620}

    I can only assume a lot of people are in a bad mood.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:34

    it's a long story :(

    we're listening...

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:34

    I suggest either emailing me for details or getting yourself to the nearest Apple store and asking there.

    i will.... when dad says he will buy me one..... or when i have enough money to buy one :D

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:34

    ahh sorry. misread your comment. hoping they'll sneak that into snow leopard then.

    http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/videos.aspx

    Basically you drag a window to one side of the screen and it snaps to fill half of it. You then drag another window to the other side to fill the rest. Useful for comparing pages.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:34

    it's a long story :(

    Oh dear.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:35

    Make sure that you wait until you have something to show that you are a University student - Student ID = discount on the Mac.

    oooooo i'll keep that in mind. thanks! :D

    FWIW I'm fairly sure there's a student discount on MS licences too.

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:35

    we're listening...

    you really want to know about the disaster that was me getting in the car the other day for the first time?

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 23:35

    Eveni... Morning.

    Have I missed anything in the many hours I've been working today?

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:35

    I can only assume a lot of people are in a bad mood.

    You don't have to be in a bad mood to swear.

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:35

    you really want to know about the disaster that was me getting in the car the other day for the first time?

    Yup

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:36

    you really want to know about the disaster that was me getting in the car the other day for the first time?

    Can you give us a quick version?

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 23:36

    you really want to know about the disaster that was me getting in the car the other day for the first time?

    Oh yes please. :D

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:36

    FWIW I'm fairly sure there's a student discount on MS licences too.

    But you pay for it when a piece of your soul dies ;)

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:36

    you really want to know about the disaster that was me getting in the car the other day for the first time?

    Yes please. I've had car trouble lately and it'll make me feel not alone.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:36

    Basically you drag a window to one side of the screen and it snaps to fill half of it. You then drag another window to the other side to fill the rest. Useful for comparing pages.

    i need to install silverlight? i'll trust your explanation.

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 23:37

    But you pay for it when a piece of your soul dies ;)

    As opposed to selling it to satan?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:37

    Have I missed anything in the many hours I've been working today?

    Ferrari say they're leaving F1 unless the budget cap is removed. Nothing important.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:37

    But you pay for it when a piece of your soul dies ;)

    Only if you are an Apple fanboy or a Linux geek.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:37

    i need to install silverlight? i'll trust your explanation.

    You do? Oh I forgot I installed it for some reason.

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:37

    i need to install silverlight? i'll trust your explanation.

    Nothing to do with silverlight

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:38

    But you pay for it when a piece of your soul dies ;)

    :D

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:38

    you really want to know about the disaster that was me getting in the car the other day for the first time?

    Of course we do.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:38

    Only if you are an Apple fanboy or a Linux geek.

    And I mean that with the greatest of respect to those who are ;-)

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 23:39

    You do? Oh I forgot I installed it for some reason.

    I've found it's on a par with Flash... Although thats not really saying much. It's like saying it's on a par with leperacy.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:39

    As opposed to selling it to satan?

    What does Bernie want with souls? Unless he has convinced Simon Gillett to buy them

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:39

    FWIW I'm fairly sure there's a student discount on MS licences too.

    There are student discounts on many software products, e.g. Adobe CS4 and Microsoft Office. The catch is you can't upgrade them.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:40

    Nothing to do with silverlight

    I think me means that he has to install Silverlight to view the videos I linked to.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:41

    There are student discounts on many software products, e.g. Adobe CS4 and Microsoft Office. The catch is you can't upgrade them.

    And they wonder why there is so much piracy.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:41

    FWIW I'm fairly sure there's a student discount on MS licences too.

    Its not any better than you can get for being in education or the parent of someone in education... and its only on 'home' versions, when the stuff you'd actually find most useful as a student isn't in those....

    anything vaguely creative doing at uni = mac is possibly more likely to suit. Certainly helps when you can go home from the editing suite and carry on with your edit without having to book extra time 'in college' (like, being able to drink energy drinks/coffee around your machine, ditto eating, ditto getting it done at 3am) especially when not every uni has a 24 hour 'creative' lab set up....

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:42

    Can you give us a quick version?

    erm... ok. i'll try....

    So on saturday i was as you know feeling really ill, and was just curled up on the sofa after quali. Mum decided it was the perfect time to go out into the drive and try and start up the car. I reluctantly went with her and what happened next was basically a disaster. She was aiming for me to just drive the length of the drive (not far at all). So that i had somewhere to start come my first lesson. Sadly that wasn't the case. i ended up stalling the car about 15 times, not moving anywhere and she got really frustrated and disappointed. in my defence i was feeling awful. but yeah, Dad is now putting lots of pressure on me to drive and drive well and it seems to be a bit disastrous. I have my driving lesson soon and am now not looking forward to it.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:42

    And they wonder why there is so much piracy.

    I know many many people who download programs off the school system...

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 23:43

    Oh - and I’m rather intrigued by whom it is knows this stuff… the ‘classical’ english education is obviously alive and well, just not in England {Comment #674}

    I remember doing that subject as the first history class in secondary school - "We Three Kings of England Are" and all that.

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:43

    Dad is now putting lots of pressure on me to drive and drive well and it seems to be a bit disastrous. I have my driving lesson soon and am now not looking forward to it.

    why the sudden urgency?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:44

    And they wonder why there is so much piracy.

    When Photoshop CS4 costs £650+ you don't have to wonder. I use Photoshop Elements (£65) and Aperture (£126) instead. I also have Pixelmator (£42) which makes me wish I'd not bothered with Elements.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:44

    you really want to know about the disaster that was me getting in the car the other day for the first time?

    Did you run into the back of an unknown persons parked vehicle because your parent got spooked and you missed the pedal with your foot on a steep hill?

    Or did you only just miss a local cow?

    Or how about getting something very very muddy and having to explain why? (and that it, technically speaking, wasn't actually 'mud')

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:44

    erm... ok. i'll try....

    ok...so just a few pointers spring to mind...

    1) dont drive with your parents

    2) dont drive with your parents

    3) dont learn to drive for the first time with your parent

    4) dont drive with your parents

    5) dont driver with your parents

    6) proper driving instructors are soooo much better

    i'm not sure if i'm making myself clear ;)

    7) DONT DRIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:45

    why the sudden urgency?

    all parents do it at our age, its a "get it out the way before uni" thing

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:46

    erm... ok. i'll try....

    If you feel they are putting too much pressure on it may be worth telling them so. Suggest holding off until the exams. Though you may already have done this.

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:46

    erm... ok. i'll try....

    So on saturday i was as you know feeling really ill, and was just curled up on the sofa after quali. Mum decided it was the perfect time to go out into the drive and try and start up the car. I reluctantly went with her and what happened next was basically a disaster. She was aiming for me to just drive the length of the drive (not far at all). So that i had somewhere to start come my first lesson. Sadly that wasn't the case. i ended up stalling the car about 15 times, not moving anywhere and she got really frustrated and disappointed. in my defence i was feeling awful. but yeah, Dad is now putting lots of pressure on me to drive and drive well and it seems to be a bit disastrous. I have my driving lesson soon and am now not looking forward to it.

    Parents are a problem. You can't learn to drive in a driveway. It i like learning to ride a bike in the bathroom.

    Think of your first driving lesson as being your first sidepodpanel. You will be nervous but once you get into it you will really enjoy it and it will be over way faster than you can believe.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:47

    all parents do it at our age, its a "get it out the way before uni" thing

    In other words, just in time for you to have no money to run a car, or need to drive one..... or to cost them a *stupid* sum in insurance (as in, far more than it costs to go to Uni these days)

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:47

    why the sudden urgency?

    i have no idea :s it seems so stupid because it's the last thing i want to do, i just want to pass my exams :s

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:47

    Lou - sometimes your parents aren't the best people to show you how to do something. My dad taught me, but that was many years ago and he'd worked part time as a driving instructor too. The biggest problem was that he didn't stop teaching me once I'd passed :S.

    Clutch control can be a tricky thing and it takes a lot of practice to get right. Remember you have no anti-stall :)

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:47

    I agree with Jon. Instructors are expensive and worth it. Only do the parent thing for practicing between lessons..

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:47

    all parents do it at our age, its a "get it out the way before uni" thing

    i've been 17 for 7 months now, i think it's cause a lot of my friends are now learning he feels i should be too :(

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:48

    i've been 17 for 7 months now, i think it's cause a lot of my friends are now learning he feels i should be too :(

    I'm sure if you've managed to navigate for 17.5 years you can manage another month or so. Plus you have friends to give you lifts in the meantime.

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:48

    I agree with Jon. Instructors are expensive and worth it. Only do the parent thing for practicing between lessons..

    But remember, even AntHam still picks LewHam up on his driving!

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:49

    7) DONT DRIVE WITH YOUR PARENTS

    haha i know that, and i'm not going to be (thank god) mum just wanted me to feel a bit better within the car for my first lesson. As it is it turns out i can't travel a centimetre atm.... i can tell it's going to take me a loooong time to learn.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:51

    I've also just remembered that on my first ever lesson, my dad taught me how to stop the car. A few minutes later I needed that information when someone pulled out on me without looking.

    He also took me to a derestricted road and made me accelerate up to around 40mph.

    "you don't like that do you?" he asked.

    "no" was my nervous reply

    "see, no one needs to drive over 40 do they?"

    He was right, for a while.

  • Alianora La Canta12/05/2009 at 23:51

    “Formula One chief executive Bernie Ecclestone today admitted that F1 was teetering so near the brink of financial disaster he would not personally invest in it.” {Comment #742}

    That is a really dumb thing to say. Honesty may be a good thing, but that sort of honesty tends to lead to loans being called in and investment mysteriously vanishing.

    Does Bernie have some reason why he needs to kill F1, other than to make a Bernie-run GP1 series fly?

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:51

    Lou - sometimes your parents aren't the best people to show you how to do something. My dad taught me, but that was many years ago and he'd worked part time as a driving instructor too. The biggest problem was that he didn't stop teaching me once I'd passed :S.

    i am really against them teaching me and luckily i am having lessons with an instructor soon. so i'm just trying to get them to leave it alone until my exams are done.

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:51

    i've been 17 for 7 months now, i think it's cause a lot of my friends are now learning he feels i should be too :(

    After my first experiences (detailed below) I didn't actually bother trying again 'officially' until I was 21/22. In the meantime I drove quite a lot in Andy's car (thank you dear) and on chunks of the quantocks that belonged to the parents of friends of mine (between 17 and 19 basically, and then in uni holidays occasionally for the purposes of getting home from pubs on 'the estate' to their house...). And rather a lot of example #3 (the one where it wasn't mud).

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:51

    haha i know that, and i'm not going to be (thank god) mum just wanted me to feel a bit better within the car for my first lesson. As it is it turns out i can't travel a centimetre atm.... i can tell it's going to take me a loooong time to learn.

    it wont, the hardest bit of driving is the first lesson, getting your clutch right.

    and also remember, most non-instructor cars aren't built for beginners in the clutch area, your instructors car will be alot better setup for you (aslong as you can reach the pedals ;) i have the opposite problem being 6'3" and having size 14 feet. the pedals look far apart, but when you hit the gas and brake at the same time when doing an emergency stop....they're really not....stupid feet)

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:53

    He also took me to a derestricted road and made me accelerate up to around 40mph.

    See now, I had been riding motorbikes sice I was 10. I LOVED the accelereation! 40mph? Pah!

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:53

    the pedals look far apart, but when you hit the gas and brake at the same time when doing an emergency stop....they're really not....stupid feet)

    Also true if your feet are only just size 4's if its something silly like a Ka!

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:53

    anywho....

    night all. sleep beckons

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:54

    Also true if your feet are only just size 4's if its something silly like a Ka!

    hehehe, i cant even fit in a KA. i bought some racing boots at Autosport Int' because i was struggling so much

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:54

    Lou - are you feeling any better now for this catalogue of disaster?

  • me12/05/2009 at 23:55

    just found that comment in spam, apologies rob:

    Thanks for the permission - there is a link to Sidepodcast there and the great F1 minute - which has had great feedback from our professional focus group (my mates in the pub)who are now avid listeners. Listening to anything on an iPod is not my idea of fun but the guys tell me ‘its the future’ (like garlic bread?)

    As it says on the site - it is very much a work in progress, loads more goodies to go on and it currently has more glitches than a Russian airliner so it is driving me slightly nuts.

    All comments - and especially critical ones are welcome, just don’t make me cry ok?

    Rob

    http://www.GrandPrixDiary.com

    cheers for featuring f1 minute. it's been a while since we made someone cry...

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:55

    hehehe, i cant even fit in a KA. i bought some racing boots at Autosport Int' because i was struggling so much

    Lol - and the worst part is that I still struggle to see properly in a Ka at five foot (ish)... its just a crap vehicle basically (and no I don't own one!!)

  • Flibster12/05/2009 at 23:55

    Size 12 or 13 feets here...

    Difficult at the best of times to get good shoes - good race boots was even harder. :(

  • Jon Waldock12/05/2009 at 23:56

    I had a piquet-esq moment earier that you would have all been proud of....going down my new favourite bike trail a little fast, braked a little hard, rear tyre locked up, i held the slide....right into a bush....

    bad times

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:56

    Bye Jon

  • Steven Roy12/05/2009 at 23:57

    haha i know that, and i'm not going to be (thank god) mum just wanted me to feel a bit better within the car for my first lesson. As it is it turns out i can't travel a centimetre atm.... i can tell it's going to take me a loooong time to learn.

    Learning to use a clutch and accelerator together is very difficult. You have to remember that a professional instructor will have a brake and clutch pedal and can therefore help you with the clutch initially.

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:57

    See now, I had been riding motorbikes sice I was 10. I LOVED the accelereation! 40mph? Pah!

    When you're in control of a moving vehicle for the first time, it's more than fast enough. I gained confidence really quickly, but it's a valuable lesson.

  • Pat W12/05/2009 at 23:57

    I had a piquet-esq moment earier that you would have all been proud of....going down my new favourite bike trail a little fast, braked a little hard, rear tyre locked up, i held the slide....right into a bush....

    Ouch!

  • lou12/05/2009 at 23:57

    Lou - are you feeling any better now for this catalogue of disaster?

    yeah i kinda am. i am still so scared about my first lesson though. it's strange cause driving is always something i've wanted to do, and i now seem so nervous about even thinking about learning :(

    But thanks everyone, i love the support and advice you guys give :D

    However it's getting late and i am in school for revision sessions and stuff tomorrow so i need to get some sleep. Night!! x

  • littlepurplegoth12/05/2009 at 23:58

    Learning to use a clutch and accelerator together is very difficult. You have to remember that a professional instructor will have a brake and clutch pedal and can therefore help you with the clutch initially.

    Alternatively say sod the crutch and drive an automatic (although I don't actually rec. that as a learning in thing cos otherwise you're license is restricted and getting a hire car is a pita!)

  • Bassano Clapper12/05/2009 at 23:58

    ....going down my new favourite bike trail a little fast, braked a little hard, rear tyre locked up, i held the slide....right into a bush....

    Does that make it a Waldock magnet?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:58

    I had a piquet-esq moment earier that you would have all been proud of....going down my new favourite bike trail a little fast, braked a little hard, rear tyre locked up, i held the slide....right into a bush....

    I'm left handed, so when I am holding something while riding my bike, it automatically goes into the left hand. You can see what's coming can't you?

    The number of times I've gone over the handlebars as a result...

  • Paul (oz)12/05/2009 at 23:58

    When you're in control of a moving vehicle for the first time, it's more than fast enough. I gained confidence really quickly, but it's a valuable lesson.

    I guess you didn't have a big brother with V8s then?

  • Andy Taylor12/05/2009 at 23:59

    I guess you didn't have a big brother with V8s then?

    No. My dad wasn't really into fast cars. I learnt to drive in a 1978 Skoda.

  • littlepurplegoth13/05/2009 at 00:00

    The number of times I've gone over the handlebars as a result...

    Which is why he has a bag.....

    I guess you didn't have a big brother with V8s then?

    Lol.

    Tractors are fun :-)

  • Pat W13/05/2009 at 00:00

    But thanks everyone, i love the support and advice you guys give :D

    However it's getting late and i am in school for revision sessions and stuff tomorrow so i need to get some sleep. Night!! x

    The instructor should be reassuring if they are good. You shouldn't feel nervous again until the day of the test but everyone gets that. Night.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 00:01

    No. My dad wasn't really into fast cars. I learnt to drive in a 1978 Skoda.

    Well I learnt in a Morris 1500, but the V8 was always in the yard :-)

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:01

    formula one is a very odd business. Everyone is rich but nobody has any money. Teams are financial blackholes propped up by manufacturers and billionaires. Tracks are propped up by governments and are destined never to break even.

    At the same time, everyone drives an expensive car, wears a tailor made suit and skips around with a trophy girlfriend on their arm. {Comment #755}

    It costs about 100 times less to have the car, suit and girlfriend as it does to make an impact on the monolith that is F1 - as a team, a circuit or a power-that-be. The trappings of wealth, in part, shield their egos from the seemingly unattainable level of wealth that would allow them to be a victorious team/profitable circuit/effective power-that-be in the context of everything else currently in F1.

  • littlepurplegoth13/05/2009 at 00:01

    Sleeeeeeeppppp is calling.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Pat W13/05/2009 at 00:01

    I found the hardest part was adapting from a SNES controller. The numbers of hours playing Mario Kart did not translate. You have to remember to steer to the centre again instead of just letting go...

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 00:02

    Good night Lou and others who are leaving

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:02

    Which is why he has a bag.....

    I've not done it recently. Not since I was in school. I've learned to let go with my right hand.

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:02

    I found the hardest part was adapting from a SNES controller. The numbers of hours playing Mario Kart did not translate. You have to remember to steer to the centre again instead of just letting go...

    :D

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:04

    I found the hardest part was adapting from a SNES controller. The numbers of hours playing Mario Kart did not translate. You have to remember to steer to the centre again instead of just letting go...

    My dad used to tell some amazing stories about his pupils. They included a drummer who tried to use the accelerator as the kick drum pedal and a gentleman who would acknowledge every instruction by taking his hands off the wheel and turning to face my dad!

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:04

    Right - OS X installed, must restart. If I'm not back in a bit you know why.

  • Pat W13/05/2009 at 00:05

    My dad used to tell some amazing stories about his pupils. They included a drummer who tried to use the accelerator as the kick drum pedal and a gentleman who would acknowledge every instruction by taking his hands off the wheel and turning to face my dad!

    There are some crazy people around..

  • Bassano Clapper13/05/2009 at 00:05

    Mac discovery [sorry]

    Ooh, just discovered you can have different desktop images when using Spaces by installing Spacesuit

  • Pat W13/05/2009 at 00:06

    I shall disappear also. Will attempt to blag my way into finishing my project at work and 'borrowing' the printer instead of using my own ink :-)

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:07

    According to this programme about sleep I’m watching, the best time to take a nap is between 2 and 5 in the afternoon and for no longer than half an hour :P

    Yes, like they’ll allow me to sleep during English. {Comment #826}

    I suppose such a nap would be for less than half an hour... ...though less than half a second might not have been what the advisors had in mind!

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:11

    It wasn't me. I don't agree with that at all

    Hmmm... Right... Then who was it then? Oh well.

    Oh, and morning everyone! :)

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:11

    They should have Piquet on giving advice on how to sleep on a noisy Sunday afternoon {Comment #854}

    This would be a good idea except that I do not think science has a good theory as to why Nelsinho has developed this remarkable capability.

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:13

    Ooh, just discovered you can have different desktop images when using Spaces by installing Spacesuit

    Link?

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:14

    I'm back by the way, update went fine, just installing Safari

  • Bassano Clapper13/05/2009 at 00:16
  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:16

    Just wondering, when are the FIA presidency elections? {Comment #875}

    November. Campaigning will secretly have begun a month or two ago, but there's no formal start date. As long as all campaigns are completed when the FIA General Assembly meets in Paris, you can technically join in when you like (as long as a national sporting authority is willing to nominate you).

  • Bassano Clapper13/05/2009 at 00:17

    I'm back by the way, update went fine, just installing Safari

    Is Desktop Doohickey ok? :D

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:18

    does seem better than vista. anyone have a release date for it yet?

    probably december 2009? at least that's what the news said today. if that's true, time to save up for a new laptop... :D

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:19

    That's a mangled link, Bassano found it though

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:20

    Sorry there was no punctuation in that last post

  • Bassano Clapper13/05/2009 at 00:21

    That's a mangled link, Bassano found it though

    You're right

    If anyone's interested it's

    http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/icons_screensavers/spacesuit.html

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:23

    You're right

    my fault. sorry, will improve doohickey linking in the next version. in the meantime you have to manually remove the [] brackets.

    glad you're back andy. and bye to everyone who left.

  • Bassano Clapper13/05/2009 at 00:25

    my fault. sorry, will improve doohickey linking in the next version. in the meantime you have to manually remove the [] brackets.

    Thanks for the tip

    How's 10.5.7 & DD?

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:26

    How's 10.5.7 & DD?

    dd should be fine because adobe package webkit separately... although i could check.

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:28

    dd should be fine because adobe package webkit separately... although i could check.

    from desktop doohickey.

  • Bassano Clapper13/05/2009 at 00:29

    from desktop doohickey.

    [feels warmer inside aleady]

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:32

    could very well be the case. be interested to know what is bugging him, because with a rear-half of a slow mclaren and no kers, how well is he expecting them to do? {Comment #920}

    It's not so much what he is expecting them to do (because the Force India is only just missing his revised stated expectations) as what he was expecting them to do. Remember nearly everyone thought the McLaren would be a reasonably worthy successor to the driver's title-winning car they produced last year.

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:36

    [feels warmer inside aleady]

    bless ya ;)

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 00:37

    I just finished Christine's traffic game. Interesting facts at the end of the game. My mouse apparently travelled 115ft during the game. How do they know?

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:38

    On what grounds? I don’t understand. {Comment #942}

    In 2001 the EU dropped their anti-trust case against the FIA and FOM on four conditions. One of them was that the FIA would not get involved in commercial matters. Technically speaking, any form of budget cap breaks this condition, but making a budget cap compulsory more or less forces the EU to act to prevent its instructions from being ignored. If the FIA can do it, so can anyone else caught up in such a dispute.

    Besides, neither the FIA nor CVC (who now have the FOM) can afford the millions of dollars of fines the EU is bound to levy on them for an adverse judgement.

    Anyone who helped the FIA to introduce budget caps could be considered an accomplice. This would include teams and the FOM, if it could be proved that either had approved of the budget cap.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:39

    Anyone who helped the FIA to introduce budget caps could be considered an accomplice. This would include teams and the FOM, if it could be proved that either had approved of the budget cap.

    Even if ALL of the teams agreed to it? That's just like signing a waiver, isn't it?

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:39

    I just finished Christine's traffic game. Interesting facts at the end of the game. My mouse apparently travelled 115ft during the game. How do they know?

    I got stuck on level 19

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 00:41

    I got stuck on level 19

    There are some evil levels. There are only 20 levels so you were close to finishing it. I finished a few levels with only 2 or 3 seconds to spare.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 00:42

    spam on dropio again

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:43

    The FIA is not a national governmental organisation, and as such the EU has no juristiction to fine it.

    The *french* govt. could look at its practises wrt competition and mon&merg under its national laws (as the FIA has a headquarters in the country) but this too would be sticky.

    In the UK it would be fineable under the C&E laws if it was deemed to be using payments as a way to avoid duty, excise or taxation (for example the non-payment of VAT)… but as an org it isn’t based here so that’s a moot suggestion. {Comment #945}

    The EU has every juristiction to fine it for the same reason as it's fined Microsoft €1bn and counting - because the EU has common anti-trust laws and it can prosecute under those laws. The FIA and FOM had a narrow squeak after Karel van Miret, an EU Commisioner at the time, initiated an anti-trust case against it in 1999. It is the conditions under which the FIA and FOM were able to go unpunished that result in the budget caps being technically illegal.

    The French and Swiss governments would both be able to investigate, but I'm not sure the FIA's actions have broken any laws in either place - yet.

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:44

    spam on dropio again

    tar.

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 00:46

    I still don't see that the EU can do anything about a budget cap. The FIA manage the sport, if one of the rules is how much teams can spend I fail to see how that is relevant to an anti-trust investigation between the FIA and FOM.

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:47

    You just plugged a device into the audio jack”

    Really? I hadn’t noticed! LOL {Comment #977}

    At least your computer notices when there's something in the audio jack. This computer doesn't seem to understand the concept of a microphone...

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:47

    BTW, did anyone record JA's interview earlier tonight?

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:48

    BTW, did anyone record JA's interview earlier tonight?

    you think we want to hear him??

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:49

    you think we want to hear him??

    It's not like he was commentating - he was giving his expert viewpoint. There could be some gems of thought in there. ;)

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:50

    It's not like he was commentating - he was giving his expert viewpoint. There could be some gems of thought in there. ;)

    but.his.voice...

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:51

    but.his.voice...

    As I said, not commentating. :P I can live with his regular voice, thank you. ;)

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 00:51

    You don’t have to be in a bad mood to swear. {Comment #1057}

    True. People swear for a lot of reasons, some of which make absolutely no sense to me (I haven't said a swearword since I was 11). I was just going by all the miserable news stories that it was likely to put people in a sufficiently bad mood that they hit the "Submit" button before doing whatever linguistic clean-ups they normally do.

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:52

    As I said, not commentating. :P I can live with his regular voice, thank you. ;)

    even in that youtube video??

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:53

    even in that youtube video??

    that counts as commentating images. :P

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:57

    that counts as commentating images. :P

    you sir, have an answer for everything ;)

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 00:57

    you sir, have an answer for everything ;)

    i'll take that as a compliment, thank you very much. :D

  • me13/05/2009 at 00:59

    i'll take that as a compliment, thank you very much. :D

    absolutely.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 01:01

    absolutely.

    just a thought - did christine only learn how to edit when Sidepodcast started, or did she already have mad skillz before then? :)

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 01:04

    Even if ALL of the teams agreed to it? That’s just like signing a waiver, isn’t it? {Comment #1155}

    Even then. The teams together cannot countermand the EU, especially when the EU's object in making those conditions was to prevent the governance of motorsport from being a monopoly. Ironically, if some of the teams made a breakaway series, it would make it easier for the FIA to convince the EU that it no longer needed to be banned from financial interference in F1...

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:04

    just a thought - did christine only learn how to edit when Sidepodcast started, or did she already have mad skillz before then? :)

    blimey good question.

    she was editing her libravox recordings pre-sidepodcast, and enjoying it. but i think spc was the first time she tried multi-mic editing (much harder).

    the first show she watched over my shoulder, the second i watched over hers and the third she never looked back.

    although in the morning, she'll no doubt tell me i've remembered it all wrong ;)

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 01:04

    Even then. The teams together cannot countermand the EU, especially when the EU's object in making those conditions was to prevent the governance of motorsport from being a monopoly. Ironically, if some of the teams made a breakaway series, it would make it easier for the FIA to convince the EU that it no longer needed to be banned from financial interference in F1...

    But then they'd lose their cash cow, so they'd still end up with a net loss. :)

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 01:07

    although in the morning, she'll no doubt tell me i've remembered it all wrong ;)

    She learned very quick, didn't she? I'd think she's a natural. :)

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:08

    She learned very quick, didn't she? I'd think she's a natural. :)

    agreed :)

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 01:20

    She learned very quick, didn't she? I'd think she's a natural. :)

    Brilliant. You only have to watch the live replay, then listen to the edited version.

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:22

    Brilliant. You only have to watch the live replay, then listen to the edited version.

    the challenge is to make the live version better. that might the poor girls life a little easier.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 01:24

    the challenge is to make the live version better. that might the poor girls life a little easier.

    Well, I havent seen many, but it looked like that was part of the fun. She did seem a bit stressed Sunday evening though.

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:27

    Well, I havent seen many, but it looked like that was part of the fun. She did seem a bit stressed Sunday evening though.

    it was a very long day. 4+ hours of live shows is a lot, especially with techie problems to deal with.

    in part you're right, the disasters are ultimately the memorable bits, but we'd likely die if we had to go through every sunday like that one ;)

    if you have time, take a look through some of the archive live shows and let us know what you think though.

  • Andy Taylor13/05/2009 at 01:27

    night all

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:28

    night andy.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 01:29

    if you have time, take a look through some of the archive live shows and let us know what you think though.

    Will do. Last night my time, I spent the evening laughing to my laptop instead of the TV.

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:29

    Will do. Last night my time, I spent the evening laughing to my laptop instead of the TV.

    :)

    don't tell christine though, archives are evil.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 01:31

    don't tell christine though, archives are evil.

    :-)

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 01:36

    don't tell christine though, archives are evil.

    no, they're not! they're documentation. :D

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:37

    no, they're not! they're documentation. :D

    they are the unavoidable truth!

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 01:38

    they are the unavoidable truth!

    they're something you can laugh at when you're reminiscing... ;)

  • me13/05/2009 at 01:40

    they're something you can laugh at when you're reminiscing... ;)

    also true. although that's what the best of shows are for!

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 01:42

    also true. although that's what the best of shows are for!

    true, true. :)

  • Honky Tonk13/05/2009 at 02:06

    Hi all, first ever post on here.

    I have a few points to make;

    1. There is a lot of talk regarding budgets and the huge spending in the F1 world. I personally think that F1 is the cutting edge in this world just below NASA. Well I like to think it is. I don't want it to be just a 'good show'. I want it to be the best people in the world working with the best technology in the world to make a car go around a track as fast as possible. If they do that then it will be a 'good show' naturally.

    2. Last year the teams traveled around the world testing. They also had wind tunnels running 24hrs a day. Two tunnels in some instances. I don't know what that cost but I assume it is significant! This year we they have banned that. Why then is that alone not enough as a cost cutting measure? I like how it has played out because in New Zealand they now play the Practice sessions which we never got to see. As a spectator I am more aware of the teams developments which is great.

    3. Did no one here about the refueling for next year? They think it will save costs because they don't have to cart big rigs around the world? Are you serious? Strategy is half the fun and working out who is on what etc. If they are serious why not flag the tire changes? Then you don't need any pit crew. Or maybe they could delete the pit wall 'computer screen orgy' That will save money. Hold on I have an idea. Just make it a one car design. That would be perfect. Um nah they have that already. It is called A1 and it SUCKS!

    SAVE OUR SPORT

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:13

    Hi all, first ever post on here.

    hey honky tonk. welcome.

    1. There is a lot of talk regarding budgets and the huge spending in the F1 world. I personally think that F1 is the cutting edge in this world just below NASA. Well I like to think it is. I don't want it to be just a 'good show'. I want it to be the best people in the world working with the best technology in the world to make a car go around a track as fast as possible.

    agreed.

    If they do that then it will be a 'good show' naturally.

    although possibly not with that bit. the more f1 relies on technology the less input the drivers have, the less close the racing is. i want f1 to push boundaries though.

    2. Last year the teams traveled around the world testing. They also had wind tunnels running 24hrs a day. Two tunnels in some instances. I don't know what that cost but I assume it is significant! This year we they have banned that. Why then is that alone not enough as a cost cutting measure? I like how it has played out because in New Zealand they now play the Practice sessions which we never got to see. As a spectator I am more aware of the teams developments which is great.

    true enough. i miss the ability to go to an f1 test though. last it was was pretty interesting to see. but i do accept the change has made friday's more interesting.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:14

    Hi all, first ever post on here.

    Hello, Honky Tonk! Nice name. :)

    1. There is a lot of talk regarding budgets and the huge spending in the F1 world. I personally think that F1 is the cutting edge in this world just below NASA. Well I like to think it is. I don't want it to be just a 'good show'. I want it to be the best people in the world working with the best technology in the world to make a car go around a track as fast as possible. If they do that then it will be a 'good show' naturally.

    That in itself presents an entry barrier. It's all good and well that F1 is pushing the limits of development, but we'd want a full grid of 24 or 26 cars rather than 20.

    2. Last year the teams traveled around the world testing. They also had wind tunnels running 24hrs a day. Two tunnels in some instances. I don't know what that cost but I assume it is significant! This year we they have banned that. Why then is that alone not enough as a cost cutting measure? I like how it has played out because in New Zealand they now play the Practice sessions which we never got to see. As a spectator I am more aware of the teams developments which is great.

    Because the costs were never really saved. The teams just used the money originally allocated for that somewhere else. Which is why this budget cap malarkey started in the first place. Oh, from New Zealand, eh? Gavin and Amy (our Kiwi expats) will love ya! :D

    3. Did no one here about the refueling for next year? They think it will save costs because they don't have to cart big rigs around the world? Are you serious? Strategy is half the fun and working out who is on what etc. If they are serious why not flag the tire changes? Then you don't need any pit crew. Or maybe they could delete the pit wall 'computer screen orgy' That will save money. Hold on I have an idea. Just make it a one car design. That would be perfect. Um nah they have that already. It is called A1 and it SUCKS!

    Mr C will love ya to death! :P My beef with strategy is that it's already overshadowing the racing and giving drivers an easy out to just hold station behind a driver if he can't pull off a pass. No refuelling means they're forced to do something about drivers in front of them. Whatever other people say, if a pitstop is near, a driver probably won't pass. No refuelling means they lose that comfort.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:14

    3. Did no one here about the refueling for next year?

    hell yeah!

    They think it will save costs because they don't have to cart big rigs around the world? Are you serious? Strategy is half the fun and working out who is on what etc.

    110% agreement from me on this one. somehow the teams have forgotten about this change though :(

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:15

    hell yeah!

    See? Mr C loves ya to death already. :D

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:17

    110% agreement from me on this one. somehow the teams have forgotten about this change though :(

    to be fair, there won't be any refuelling if there isn't a sport to start with...

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:18

    No refuelling means they're forced to do something about drivers in front of them.

    bahrain and spain proved it cannot be done. it just can't.

    vettel didn't sit behind massa twiddling his thumbs after the last stops in barcelona, he was powerless to do anything. there was no more refuelling to be had, so what do you suppose the reason for sitting on the guys tail until the end was?

    if massa hadn't have had issues, vettel would've finished behind massa. look at glock behind hamilton after the last round of stops. no strategy to help him, did he make a move... no.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:20

    Hi all, first ever post on here.

    Hi Honky Tonk

    1. Unfortunately the more technology you put on a car the worse the racing gets. We have seen all sorts of technologies banned over the years from early wings mounted on the suspension to turbo-charged engines to active suspension and adjustable aerodynamics. Generally there have been three reasons for banning them. Expense, to slow the cars down or to improve the racing.

    2. The cost savings this year are minimal. The teams still have the wind tunnels and the wind tunnels still run 24 hours a day. They may not have people working on them but thy use so much power that the teams need permission from the local power companies to switch them on and off and none of those companies will allow that to be done every week let alone twice a day. People talk about th environmental impact of the cars but each wind tunnel produces far more carbon dioxide than all the cars do all season including shipping them to and from races and tests.

    3. I am glad refuelling is banned and I wish all planned stops were banned too. I want to see racing take place on th track. I am fed up hearing drivers saying that they decided to sit behind someone until the pit stops before they put in a few fast laps to overtake. To me if a driver wants the position of the guy in front he shouls take it from him by overtaking him not by doing three fast laps while the guy pits.

    One year at Imola for example Schumacher went from 12th to 2nd and only made one overtake in the whole race. That is not motor racing in my book.

    I hope you eny the site and the debate.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:20

    if massa hadn't have had issues, vettel would've finished behind massa. look at glock behind hamilton after the last round of stops. no strategy to help him, did he make a move... no.

    overtaking won't happen all the time, that's for sure. to be honest, i don't think glock was that much faster than hamilton for him to make a move. he was a little faster, but not by much. and lewis' KERS more or less doomed timo.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:21

    One year at Imola for example Schumacher went from 12th to 2nd and only made one overtake in the whole race. That is not motor racing in my book.

    Yay! Steven Roy is here! Agreed. :D

    I hope you [enjoy] the site and the debate.

    I hope so too. :)

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:21

    vettel didn't sit behind massa twiddling his thumbs after the last stops in barcelona, he was powerless to do anything. there was no more refuelling to be had, so what do you suppose the reason for sitting on the guys tail until the end was?

    To be fair, that may have had a lot to do with KERS. Webber in the same car did manage a great move on Alonso.

    Still, the more I think about it, the more I agree.The only thing no refueling will mean is some cars running out at teh end of a race.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:22

    One year at Imola for example Schumacher went from 12th to 2nd and only made one overtake in the whole race. That is not motor racing in my book.

    even i have to admit it was bloody impressive though.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:22

    Yay! Steven Roy is here! Agreed. :D

    Just checked in before I go to bed. So much for a quiet exit.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:23

    Just checked in before I go to bed. So much for a quiet exit.

    Stay a few minutes. We've been through this before, so I don't think it will take too much of your time. :)

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:24

    To be fair, that may have had a lot to do with KERS. Webber in the same car did manage a great move on Alonso.

    there is that. soon the kers discrepancy will be normalised and everyone will either have it or not. time will tell, but i believe webber made his race happen because of good strategy and clever refuelling.

    Still, the more I think about it, the more I agree.The only thing no refueling will mean is some cars running out at teh end of a race.

    once was funny. every week would be embarrassing.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:24

    Just checked in before I go to bed. So much for a quiet exit.

    hehehe.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:25

    even i have to admit it was bloody impressive though.

    Impressive but soooooo boring. Ross Brawn put him on a bit of track no-one else was on and he put in so many fastest laps. It was an impressive feat of driving but I would far rather have seen him gain 3 places by taking them from someone than making 10 places on strategy.

    There is a reason why there are so many Dijon 79 clips on youtube and none on brilliant race strategy. Strategy is boring.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:25

    Stay a few minutes. We've been through this before, so I don't think it will take too much of your time. :)

    i've nothing else to add. every race i'm collecting more and more evidence, and the arguments supporting the banning of refuelling are looking weaker and weaker.

    i suspect monaco will seal it for me, be you never know...

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:26

    once was funny. every week would be embarrassing.

    The only reason he run it was because refuelling went wrong. Had he been fuelled to go the full distance in the calm of the pits pre-race there would have been know problem.

  • Honky Tonk13/05/2009 at 02:26

    Hi guys.

    Me.... (is that me or you?)

    Technology - I don't mean driver aids like traction control. I mean technology like aerodynamics, that fluid software stuff etc.

    I see your point about going to a test. I have never been so didn't know that. I live VERY far away from any test track!

    Journeyer

    I would rather see 20 'cutting edge' cars that 26 'slower' cars. Just my thoughts.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:26

    once was funny. every week would be embarrassing.

    Annoying even. I really hated the "no tyre change" rule. Kimi struggling around on a trashed tyre was ridiculous. Slowing down so you don't run out of fuel would be just as bad.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:28

    Journeyer

    I would rather see 20 'cutting edge' cars that 26 'slower' cars. Just my thoughts.

    Good point - but by how much would they be slower? Would we even notice? The commentators would probably be saying - "look at how close the field is! separated by just 1 second!" that's sure what they're saying now...

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:29

    Me.... (is that me or you?)

    i can be whoever you want me to be :)

    Technology - I don't mean driver aids like traction control. I mean technology like aerodynamics, that fluid software stuff etc.

    i love that too. i (heart) catia and other such software that the teams use.

    I see your point about going to a test. I have never been so didn't know that. I live VERY far away from any test track!

    it's better to please a couple of million viewers than a few thousand obsessives who take a day off, but i'm gutted we'll miss out this year.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:30

    i can be whoever you want me to be :)

    ewwwww... don't even go there! :P

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:30

    Annoying even. I really hated the "no tyre change" rule. Kimi struggling around on a trashed tyre was ridiculous. Slowing down so you don't run out of fuel would be just as bad.

    or even being "efficient" from the green light.

    and it will happen, f1 will become a race between people with a light right foot.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:30

    Journeyer

    I would rather see 20 'cutting edge' cars that 26 'slower' cars. Just my thoughts.

    What do you mean by cutting edge and 'slower' ? It may sound a stupid question but if the cars were 10% slower and we had fabulous wheel to wheel racing through the field do you really believe that would be worse to watch?

    I have heard people say when turbos were banned that it would not be so interesting. Same when active suspension, ground effect aerodynamics, any number of engine spec changes etc etc. In the end the you are either a fan or not and a variation in the regs doesnt make a huge difference.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:31

    i can be whoever you want me to be :)

    ewwwww... don't even go there! :P

    oh dear. that is not what i meant!!

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:32

    i can be whoever you want me to be :)

    Christine will be so embarrassed when she reads that in the morning

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:32

    oh dear. that is not what i meant!!

    i know, but... it just... ewwww. hehehe. :P

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:32

    oh dear. that is not what i meant!!

    :-)

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:32

    Christine will be so embarrassed when she reads that in the morning

    :D doghouse for you. :P

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:32

    Christine will be so embarrassed when she reads that in the morning

    all i meant was... ahh shucks. at least she'll forget the archive thing.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:33

    Much as I love these discussions I have to go. I need sleep. I am not Borg.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:33

    Much as I love these discussions I have to go. I need sleep. I am not Borg.

    night steven.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:33

    all i meant was... ahh shucks. at least she'll forget the archive thing.

    too true. :D hahahaha!

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:33

    all i meant was... ahh shucks. at least she'll forget the archive thing.

    :D

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:33

    Much as I love these discussions I have to go. I need sleep. I am not Borg.

    Good night, Steven. :)

  • Honky Tonk13/05/2009 at 02:33

    Good point - but by how much would they be slower? Would we even notice? The commentators would probably be saying - “look at how close the field is! separated by just 1 second!” that’s sure what they’re saying now…

    I like to think of it this way.

    A1 has engine revs at 8,000ish. F1 is 18,000. I know the difference, I can hear it. I don't want to see the field all bunched up with quite engines. They need to be loud and fast. As fast as possible.

    That brings me to another point. Davidson said 'the cars are to loud' IDIOT! Get him off the TV!

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:35

    That brings me to another point. Davidson said 'the cars are to loud' IDIOT! Get him off the TV!

    noooooo. we love davidson. although i didn't hear him say that.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:35

    A1 has engine revs at 8,000ish. F1 is 18,000. I know the difference, I can hear it. I don't want to see the field all bunched up with quite engines. They need to be loud and fast. As fast as possible.

    Fair enough. :)

    That brings me to another point. Davidson said 'the cars are to loud' IDIOT! Get him off the TV!

    Erm... isn't he on the radio? That said, I would disagree with AD too. But he seems like a good pundit as a whole.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:36

    BTW Honky Tonk you do know that you can appear on some of the podcasts sidepodcast produce to discuss you views. Everyone who has been on one has really enjoyed themselves. I am sure the others will explain the details. You should consider it. People with opinions are always good.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:36

    That brings me to another point. Davidson said 'the cars are to loud' IDIOT! Get him off the TV!

    He thinks tyres are spherical. The boy is an idiot.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:36

    That brings me to another point. Davidson said 'the cars are to loud' IDIOT! Get him off the TV!

    Have you heard Leggard? I don't think he has said *anything* sensible!

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:37

    Have you heard Leggard? I don't think he has said *anything* sensible!

    haha. you're right there,

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:37

    I am not here. Honest

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:37

    BTW Honky Tonk you do know that you can appear on some of the podcasts sidepodcast produce to discuss you views. Everyone who has been on one has really enjoyed themselves. I am sure the others will explain the details. You should consider it. People with opinions are always good.

    Yup, I agree. Have you listened to the podcasts this week, Honky Tonk? :)

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:37

    He thinks tyres are spherical. The boy is an idiot.

    the guy got confused. give him a break, he didn't mean it.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:37

    I am not here. Honest

    you sleep like amy.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:38

    you sleep like amy.

    sleeping awake? :D

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:39

    you sleep like amy.

    I am not Borg. Just don't tell her. Maybe I should try her sidepodcast withdrawal plan

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:39

    I am not Borg. Just don't tell her. Maybe I should try her sidepodcast withdrawal plan

    what does christine's gadget say?

  • Honky Tonk13/05/2009 at 02:39

    What do you mean by cutting edge and ’slower’ ? It may sound a stupid question but if the cars were 10% slower and we had fabulous wheel to wheel racing through the field do you really believe that would be worse to watch?

    The race is only half the sport for me. I like the development too. I like pushing the boundaries. That is what F1 is to me.

    That is my whole point about the 'show'. I don't want a show, I want the very best cars these guys can build.

    I understand about keeping the cars close so that there is lots of overtaking but I think slowing down development to achieve that is the wrong way to do it.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:40

    I am not Borg. Just don't tell her. Maybe I should try her sidepodcast withdrawal plan

    Erm... It hasn't exactly worked for Amy, has it? ;)

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:40

    I understand about keeping the cars close so that there is lots of overtaking but I think slowing down development to achieve that is the wrong way to do it.

    i challenge steven roy not to answer that one!

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:40

    what does christine's gadget say?

    Which gadget?

    Her decision making gadget told me not to read comments on sidepodcast

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:41

    I understand about keeping the cars close so that there is lots of overtaking but I think slowing down development to achieve that is the wrong way to do it.

    And I think the manufacturers agree with you on that. That said, they have to balance that with providing a good show, or else the act just dries up and withers.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:41

    i challenge steven roy not to answer that one!

    He's still awake, ya know. :P

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:41

    The race is only half the sport for me. I like the development too. I like pushing the boundaries. That is what F1 is to me.

    I agree up to a point, but there is always going to be artificial regulation. We don't have ABS, active suspension, turbos, etc, etc....

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:42

    Her decision making gadget told me not to read comments on sidepodcast

    yeah, that one. if you'd listened, you might be asleep now. just sayin'

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:42

    Her decision making gadget told me not to read comments on sidepodcast

    Oops. :D

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:42

    I agree up to a point, but there is always going to be artificial regulation. We don't have ABS, active suspension, turbos, etc, etc....

    Just to add - if they really built the best cars they could, they'd be wearing g-suits by now. Literally.

  • Honky Tonk13/05/2009 at 02:43

    In NZ we get the radio commentary over laid with the TV. So we get his stupid comments. I prefer to watch it on mute!

    Leggard? Don't get me started on him.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:43

    Just to add - if they really built the best cars they could, they'd be wearing g-suits by now. Literally.

    Cool, i would like to see that!

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:43

    I understand about keeping the cars close so that there is lots of overtaking but I think slowing down development to achieve that is the wrong way to do it.

    The only way cars can run closely together is by restricting aerodynamics. The teams deliberately design their aero packages to create turbulence to make it difficult/impossible for a following car to run close behind them. They have to be stopped doing that.

    F1 history for decades has seen limits on what teams are allowed to do being tightened and it will always happen.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:44

    In NZ we get the radio commentary over laid with the TV. So we get his stupid comments. I prefer to watch it on mute!

    Lucky you! I get Leggard on replay a couple of hours after the race has finished.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:44

    Just to add - if they really built the best cars they could, they'd be wearing g-suits by now. Literally.

    true. but we'd get loop-the-loops and a jump or two ;)

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:44

    i challenge steven roy not to answer that one!

    I was going to ignore it till I saw the challenge

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:44

    true. but we'd get loop-the-loops and a jump or two ;)

    Hot Wheels !!!!

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:44

    F1 history for decades has seen limits on what teams are allowed to do being tightened and it will always happen.

    Challenge answered, Mr C. :P

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:45

    I was going to ignore it till I saw the challenge

    :D I knew it!

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:45

    Challenge answered, Mr C. :P

    he can sleep now.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:45

    true. but we'd get loop-the-loops and a jump or two ;)

    I think you're confusing this with the Unnamed Energy Drink Air Race. :P

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:45

    he can sleep now.

    Hahahahaha! :P

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:45

    Just to add - if they really built the best cars they could, they'd be wearing g-suits by now. Literally.

    If there were no limits there would be no racing. You would not be able to design a race track they could run on and no human could drive the cars to their limit.

  • Honky Tonk13/05/2009 at 02:46

    I listen to the Podcasts like a religion.

    Is it just me or is Christine hotter because she loves F1?

    Sorry if that is not PC. Us Kiwis are like Aussies. We say things like F&@K at the very worse times. Ay Mark!

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:47

    Is it just me or is Christine hotter because she loves F1?

    I will leave it to her husband to deal with that one

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:47

    If there were no limits there would be no racing. You would not be able to design a race track they could run on and no human could drive the cars to their limit.

    Well, I think we'd still see them - albeit being driven by robots. Which would probably mean this sport is finished.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:47

    Is it just me or is Christine hotter because she loves F1?

    Listen to last week's panel with the "women of F1" hosting :-)

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:47

    I will leave it to her husband to deal with that one

    :D I presume Honky Tonk has Felipe Baby on his iPod, then? :P

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:48

    I listen to the Podcasts like a religion.

    If you listen a lot it is time you signed up to be on one. We like new people with different opinions.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:48

    Sorry if that is not PC. Us Kiwis are like Aussies. We say things like F&@K at the very worse times. Ay Mark!

    so long as you keep it clean on here, we have no problem. tis a family website and children read.

    there must be more people commenting from the aus/nz than the uk these days?

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:49

    I will leave it to her husband to deal with that one

    :P

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:49

    there must be more people commenting from the aus/nz than the uk these days?

    sidepodpanel series 3 really needs an ANZ special. :D

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:49

    Well, I think we'd still see them - albeit being driven by robots. Which would probably mean this sport is finished.

    There would be no way anyone could be within a mile of the circuit. Imagine totally unlimited cars crashing or one going over the wheel of another.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:49

    sidepodpanel series 3 really needs an ANZ special. :D

    i think you're right :)

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:50

    sidepodpanel series 3 really needs an ANZ special. :D

    i was thinking Monaco parade lap if there will be calls on that show.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:50

    If you listen a lot it is time you signed up to be on one. We like new people with different opinions.

    Agreed 110%. :)

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:50

    There would be no way anyone could be within a mile of the circuit. Imagine totally unlimited cars crashing or one going over the wheel of another.

    erm... i'm thinking Star Wars EP1 - and Anakin podracing against Sebulba. :)

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:50

    i was thinking Monaco parade lap if there will be calls on that show.

    won't that be almost midnight though?

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:51

    i was thinking Monaco parade lap if there will be calls on that show.

    that can actually work. but that's not a full-blown discussion. :)

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:51

    erm... i'm thinking Star Wars EP1 - and Anakin podracing against Sebulba. :)

    podracing, now there's a mashup.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:51

    won't that be almost midnight though?

    It would be 8 PM Amy time, 10 PM Honky Tonk time.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:51

    podracing, now there's a mashup.

    i did use the right word, right? Podracing?

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:51

    My plan was to be in bed by 2am and it is nearly 4am. I must get some advice from Amy on how to get out of here at a sensible time.

    I guess that qualifies as a sentence I thought I would never type.

    I am definitely going this time.

    Night all

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:52

    It would be 8 PM Amy time, 10 PM Honky Tonk time.

    ahh, groovy.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:52

    won't that be almost midnight though?

    Nup, parade lap is perfect. I've been thinking about it.

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:52

    i did use the right word, right? Podracing?

    don't know. but i like the word.

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:52

    won't that be almost midnight though?

    You point is?

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:52

    night steven.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:52

    don't know. but i like the word.

    :D

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:52

    Nup, parade lap is perfect. I've been thinking about it.

    Good man`

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:52

    Nup, parade lap is perfect. I've been thinking about it.

    righto. remind me nearer sunday though.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:53

    night steven.

    Hahahaha! It's... the 3rd time you've bid him a good night tonight? ;)

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:53

    If the parade lap is too early there is the Debrief

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:53

    Good man

    :D Let's hope I can actually join this time. :)

  • Steven Roy13/05/2009 at 02:53

    I am not here

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:53

    Hahahaha! It's... the 3rd time you've bid him a good night tonight? ;)

    any minute now i'll have to say good morning.

  • Paul (oz)13/05/2009 at 02:54

    righto. remind me nearer sunday though.

    I would have made teh past parade lap, but was working up to the race coverage start.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:54

    any minute now i'll have to say good morning.

    It IS almost 4 AM over there... why are you still awake?! :P

  • me13/05/2009 at 02:56

    It IS almost 4 AM over there... why are you still awake?! :P

    working, not on spc stuff, actual work.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 02:56

    working, not on spc stuff, actual work.

    wow - that doesn't happen too often. get to it. :)

  • Amy13/05/2009 at 04:49

    i have no advice as i tried to get out at 11pm and managed to leave at 3am. Withdrawal fail. I think day 1 was only a success as i got 0 hours sleep the night before due to 6am panelling.

  • Journeyer13/05/2009 at 05:00

    i have no advice as i tried to get out at 11pm and managed to leave at 3am. Withdrawal fail. I think day 1 was only a success as i got 0 hours sleep the night before due to 6am panelling.

    Hehe. I'm sure you'll fare better today. :)

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 16:45

    That brings me to another point. Davidson said ‘the cars are to loud’ IDIOT! Get him off the TV! {Comment #1231}

    Well... ...they're too loud for me when I see them live as well. That's why I have earplugs and may well have ear defenders as well at Silverstone.

    Perhaps Little Ant simply needs some appropriate ear protection.

  • Alianora La Canta13/05/2009 at 16:56

    i did use the right word, right? Podracing? {Comment #1286}

    Yes. Star Wars Episode 1 features a 15-minute scene of podracing.

    You can tell they invented it before Sidepodcast was invented, otherwise they'd have included a giant speaker on each pod blaring out the thoughts, words and music of each podracer as they went round. Maybe even a panel on lap 2 where everyone complained about Sebulba's driving standards...