It's qualifying day at Le Mans, which means that today is a mini-Franck day (and anyone else who might be driving). Saturday/Sunday will be the big Franck weekend, so be prepared for some obsessive-ness over the weekend. For now, though, here's some F1 news to balance things out:

  • The Lotus company have come out and said they are not associated with the current entry for the 2010 season that is assuming the same name. They're contemplating legal proceedings, just like the Brabham family were as well. Why must people drag old names back to life if it is only going to cause problems? How about being a little creative and coming up with a new name?
  • Bernie Ecclestone has said he would also consider legal action against the manufacturers if they went ahead and started up their own breakaway series. Damon Hill has warned that if F1 went the same way as IRL, it would be a disaster. Will everyone involved sit up and take notice though?
  • Toro Rosso are to become the last team on the grid to bolt the double diffuser onto their car, although they suggest it is not as simple as that. Presumably, they could have just grabbed the info from Adrian Newey once he'd figured it out, so why has it taken them this long?

That'll do it for now. Please feel free to discuss your own thoughts and feelings in the daily post, that's what it's there for. I'll see you in the comments.

1237 responses

  • James10/06/2009 at 23:06

    Why must people drag old names back to life if it is only going to cause problems?

    Attention, it causes intrest because people know the name. On the Lotus front I thought they had permission to use the name?

  • Flibster10/06/2009 at 23:08

    Attention, it causes intrest because people know the name. On the Lotus front I thought they had permission to use the name?

    They do - from David Hunt - the owner of the Team Lotus name.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/06/2009 at 23:30

    Right, this is my last post before I set off on my pilgrimage to Le Mans. I have just finished another blog post, Driver Consistencies - Turkey.

    Off to bed and then up early to start the drive down - I'll try and tweet where possible, but if you don't hear from me have an awesome weekend and you'll get the full debrief from me early next week!

  • Bassano Clapper10/06/2009 at 23:30

    Off to bed and then up early to start the drive down - I'll try and tweet where possible, but if you don't hear from me have an awesome weekend and you'll get the full debrief from me early next week!

    Enjoy Gavin

  • me10/06/2009 at 23:31

    Off to bed and then up early to start the drive down - I'll try and tweet where possible, but if you don't hear from me have an awesome weekend and you'll get the full debrief from me early next week!

    have an awesome time matey.

  • Flibster10/06/2009 at 23:31

    Off to bed and then up early to start the drive down - I'll try and tweet where possible, but if you don't hear from me have an awesome weekend and you'll get the full debrief from me early next week!

    Have fun.

  • Steven Roy10/06/2009 at 23:31

    Have fun Gavin

  • Amy10/06/2009 at 23:36

    your chat last night about how time means nothing to me must have jinxed me as i turned off my alarm in my sleep and was an hour late to work. Oops.

  • Pat W10/06/2009 at 23:37

    Off to bed and then up early to start the drive down - I'll try and tweet where possible, but if you don't hear from me have an awesome weekend and you'll get the full debrief from me early next week!

    Have a great one :-)

  • Pat W10/06/2009 at 23:37

    your chat last night about how time means nothing to me must have jinxed me as i turned off my alarm in my sleep and was an hour late to work. Oops.

    oh...dear

  • Steven Roy10/06/2009 at 23:47

    your chat last night about how time means nothing to me must have jinxed me as i turned off my alarm in my sleep and was an hour late to work. Oops.

    I have bever done that. Well not more than 100 or so times

  • Bassano Clapper10/06/2009 at 23:49

    Anyone ever use one of those FM adaptors for their iPod that you can tune your player into your car radio?

  • me10/06/2009 at 23:50

    Anyone ever use one of those FM adaptors for their iPod that you can tune your player into your car radio?

    yup, we have one somewhere, why?

  • Bassano Clapper10/06/2009 at 23:51

    yup, we have one somewhere, why?

    Currently, I have my iPod rigged into the cassette player of my car with one of those "tape on a wire" thingys

    Pick my new (to me) car tomorrow and it has a CD player with no line in jack on the front. Want a cheap solution until I get the iPhone

  • Alianora La Canta10/06/2009 at 23:51

    Have a good time in Le Mans, Gavin!

  • me10/06/2009 at 23:52

    Currently, I have my iPod rigged into the cassette player of my car with one of those "tape on a wire" thingys

    retro. nice.

    Pick my new (to me) car tomorrow and it has a CD player with no line in jack on the front. Want a cheap solution until I get the iPhone

    the fm thingy's work fine. nothing to report really.

  • Andy Taylor10/06/2009 at 23:53

    Pick my new (to me) car tomorrow and it has a CD player with no line in jack on the front. Want a cheap solution until I get the iPhone

    Radio thingys are usually pretty good, make sure you buy an iPhone compatible one though. Performance can be variable though.

  • Bassano Clapper10/06/2009 at 23:53

    the fm thingy's work fine. nothing to report really.

    I heard they used to be a bit crap in large, built-up areas like London and all the radio stations (including pirate ones wid bangin' chooons)

  • Bassano Clapper10/06/2009 at 23:54

    Radio thingys are usually pretty good, make sure you buy an iPhone compatible one though. Performance can be variable though.

    That's what I thought

  • me10/06/2009 at 23:54

    I heard they used to be a bit crap in large, built-up areas like London and all the radio stations (including pirate ones wid bangin' chooons)

    ahh, maybe. not much experience of that.

  • Bassano Clapper10/06/2009 at 23:57

    Radio thingys are usually pretty good, make sure you buy an iPhone compatible one though. Performance can be variable though.

    Griffin seems ok, gets 5 *s

    £35 for pod, £50 for pod &/or phone

  • me10/06/2009 at 23:59

    Griffin seems ok, gets 5 *s

    that the itrip? think that's the one we have. black with round edges.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:00

    that the itrip? think that's the one we have. black with round edges.

    'tis, but a differnet colour now

  • Andy Taylor11/06/2009 at 00:08

    That's what I thought

    It depends on so many things including where the aerial is on the car etc. There used to be one that you plugged into the aerial socket on the back of the radio unit - direct injection, but I've not seen a dedicated iPod one.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:09

    It depends on so many things including where the aerial is on the car etc....

    Either the Belkin or Griffin will have to suffice until I settle in with the iPhone and get a cradle hard wired in

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 00:09

    that the itrip? think that's the one we have. black with round edges.

    I used to have an itrip years ago - and it was crap. I moved to a kensigton, which was fantastic, but does not charge the iphone. I now have a Belkin which is OK. Radio not as good as the Kensington, but it is workable.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:12

    This needs a bit more research, I feel

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 00:14

    This needs a bit more research, I feel

    well I am happy enought with the Belkin. Depends on how crowded your FM band is

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:15

    Radio not as good as the Kensington, but it is workable.

    Do you mean reception for the iPod or playing the radio (which I have no need for) ?

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:16

    well I am happy enought with the Belkin. Depends on how crowded your FM band is

    As I say, it's London [and the mean streets of Saaf Lanhdon and all it's hippity hop, popular beat combo piracy]

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 00:17

    Evening all, i have returned from tube struck London, I am shattered

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:18

    Evening all, i have returned from tube struck London, I am shattered

    Traffic was awful today wasn't it, glad I wasn't bussing it

  • me11/06/2009 at 00:18

    As I say, it's London [and the mean streets of Saaf Lanhdon and all it's hippity hop, popular beat combo piracy]

    i'm going to ask a dumb question... but please forgive my ignorance.

    we live in a world of almost unlimited bandwidth, where you can broadcast to the whole world from your bedroom for virtually nothing... who the hell is still running a pirate fm station?

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 00:19

    Do you mean reception for the iPod or playing the radio (which I have no need for) ?

    reception from the iphone, so the strength of the transmitter

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 00:21

    Traffic was awful today wasn't it, glad I wasn't bussing it

    Well I walked everywhere... only to find that some tubes were running.

    And I power walked from borough high street to Leicester square in 20 mins only to find that i could have got a train from london bridge. I don know enough about london without tubes :(

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:22

    we live in a world of almost unlimited bandwidth, where you can broadcast to the whole world from your bedroom for virtually nothing... who the hell is still running a pirate fm station?

    Good point but they still do

    I must say, there's less of it these days but there's no subscription fees to your broadband provider and as they're always getting busted and moving on - quite mobile

    Probably some Ghetto Kudos to it

  • me11/06/2009 at 00:22

    Probably some Ghetto Kudos to it

    must be. i just assumed no-one still did it.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 00:22

    we live in a world of almost unlimited bandwidth, where you can broadcast to the whole world from your bedroom for virtually nothing... who the hell is still running a pirate fm station?

    Pirates.. arr! we don't need no new fangaled internet.

    But i dont think yo will find many peple listening to internetradio in the depths of tower hamlets

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:24

    must be. i just assumed no-one still did it.

    Plus, if they did it on the internet, it'd be crystal clear.

    That'd be just... wrong, Innit

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 00:24

    But i dont think yo will find many peple listening to internetradio in the depths of tower hamlets

    Sorry I didn't realise my keyboard and mouse have decided to do their impersonation of a disfunctional family with the computer

  • me11/06/2009 at 00:24

    Plus, if they did it on the internet, it'd be crystal clear.

    That'd be just... wrong, Innit

    :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 00:25

    Sorry I didn't realise my keyboard and mouse have decided to do their impersonation of a disfunctional family with the computer

    figured you were getting into the spirit of it ;)

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 00:26

    Plus, if they did it on the internet, it'd be crystal clear.

    BTW, Chill on DAB Radio is absolutely superb.

    Just saying

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 00:26

    figured you were getting into the spirit of it ;)

    :D Maybe they were!

  • Aitch11/06/2009 at 00:55

    Anyone ever use one of those FM adaptors for their iPod that you can tune your player into your car radio?

    My car stereo has an auxiliary jack and I just plug my iPod directly into the stereo.

  • me11/06/2009 at 00:56

    My car stereo has an auxiliary jack and I just plug my iPod directly into the stereo.

    show off! ;)

    actually, that is by far the best plan. bassano, you're buying the wrong car.

  • Aitch11/06/2009 at 01:08

    My car stereo has an auxiliary jack and I just plug my iPod directly into the stereo.

    actually, that is by far the best plan.

    My brother has one of those FM jobbies and he gets a fair bit of interference with it, so much that he is looking into getting something like mine.

  • me11/06/2009 at 01:09

    My brother has one of those FM jobbies and he gets a fair bit of interference with it, so much that he is looking into getting something like mine.

    you could go further and buy an apple approved car:

    http://www.apple.com/ipod/carintegration/

    that may be pushing too far though.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 01:15

    you could go further and buy an apple approved car:

    I thought for a second that the big comeback announcement from Jobs was that they had produced a car

  • me11/06/2009 at 01:16

    I thought for a second that the big comeback announcement from Jobs was that they had produced a car

    :D :P

    hehe.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 01:17

    I'm reading through yesterdays comments, I never realised what damage a text message could do to a horse... The more you know....

  • me11/06/2009 at 01:19

    I'm reading through yesterdays comments, I never realised what damage a text message could do to a horse... The more you know....

    they must be mental to read through. have you got to approx 5pm yet?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 01:20

    they must be mental to read through. have you got to approx 5pm yet?

    Yes :D not sure that reading that made me any wiser....

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 01:28

    Yes :D not sure that reading that made me any wiser....

    Read it again. It may help

  • me11/06/2009 at 01:29

    Read it again. It may help

    summarise as you go through it. would be good to see your workings...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 01:31

    Read it again. It may help

    Oh god no!

    summarise as you go through it. would be good to see your workings...

    Knowledge x (whatever the hell was going on) = perpetual confusion

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 01:35

    Well done to Scott! What an amazing prize!

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 01:52

    Sorry to bring bad news to Sidepodcastland, but tragic news out of Canada.

  • me11/06/2009 at 01:58

    Sorry to bring bad news to Sidepodcastland, but tragic news out of Canada.

    why do always learn of these things after they've been cancelled :(

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 02:02

    why do always learn of these things after they've been cancelled :(

    I wonder if any unnamed energy drink companies have similar schemes?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 02:06

    Sorry to bring bad news to Sidepodcastland, but tragic news out of Canada.

    Reminds me of the cascade brewery in Tasmania, they used to shut down for 10 mins 4 times a day, and all the employees, including truck drivers could drink as much as they wanted/could in those 10 mins... Someone put a stop to in the late 80's

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 02:08

    Bernie Ecclestone has said he would also consider legal action against the manufacturers if they went ahead and started up their own breakaway series. Damon Hill has warned that if F1 went the same way as IRL, it would be a disaster. Will everyone involved sit up and take notice though?

    I have a conspiracy theory...

    Bernie is backing secretly backing Max with the budget caps. This way, when Bernie negotiates for a longer term deal with the teams, he can ratchet down what he pays them and rewrite the way that the teams are paid to be even more adventitious to him 9if that is possible.)

    It creates the perfect excuse for him and a way to turn the tables a bit on the teams. Think of it this way, how would the teams look if they were apparently getting tens to hundreds of millions from Bernie more than the 40 million budget and we lose a race like Spa or the British Grand Prix due to the high cost of a grand prix.

    Bernie can come back with the response 'We'll these teams ask for so much more then their 40 million budget and I am obligated to give it to them. It is a shame because I always like coming to place 'X''

    Bernie might of found the scapegoat he was always looking for and a way to turn the screws a bit on the teams with their excess to turn FOTA into the bad guy a little bit. Just a theory but I've been trying figure out what Bernie will win from this argument.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 02:09

    right i must bed myself...

  • me11/06/2009 at 02:11

    see ya nick. i shall retire too.

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 02:13

    Good night everyone. I am going to fix dinner. I think I am going with a bit of scrimp stirfry. I will be back to continue the late show here on Sidepodcast.

  • Aitch11/06/2009 at 03:47

    Sorry to bring bad news to Sidepodcastland, but tragic news out of Canada.

    I wouldn't drink any of that swill Molson's or even Labatt's brew if you gave it to me. There are much better Canadian breweries who brew a much better beer than those two, but that's just my opinion.

  • Aitch11/06/2009 at 03:54

    My brother has one of those FM jobbies and he gets a fair bit of interference with it, so much that he is looking into getting something like mine.

    you could go further and buy an apple approved car:

    Seeing as I'm looking at getting a new car either later this year or at some point next year, I think I will add that to my list of options

  • Dank11/06/2009 at 06:51

    Wordpress 2.8 is out now. Seems a lot faster and the dashboard has had a bit of a spring clean.

    More details: http://bit.ly/wordpress28

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 07:50

    Why must people drag old names back to life if it is only going to cause problems?

    Because Max wants to populate the grid with classic names that can replace Ferrari and McLaren.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 07:51

    Oh, and the Daily Express has said that RBR and STR have filed for unconditional entries.

    Please don't let this be true...

  • F1Wolf11/06/2009 at 08:14

    Wordpress 2.8 is out now. Seems a lot faster and the dashboard has had a bit of a spring clean.

    no nasty surprises during upgrade ?

  • F1Wolf11/06/2009 at 08:17

    Oh, and the Daily Express has said that RBR and STR have filed for unconditional entries.

    Please don't let this be true...

    well, to be frank, I do not know what I want to be true. if both sides stay firm, we know what the result will be. someone has to make some move.

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 08:19

    well, to be frank, I do not know what I want to be true. if both sides stay firm, we know what the result will be. someone has to make some move.

    I hope they hurry up. Melbourne 2010 tickets are taunting me, the phone number memorised, waiting for me to ring it...

  • F1Wolf11/06/2009 at 08:21

    I hope they hurry up. Melbourne 2010 tickets are taunting me, the phone number memorised, waiting for me to ring it...

    same here same here. I already got used to my March trips down under. I do not want to skip it just because few egos can't work things out ...

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:21

    Hey everyone what time is the Le Mans Qualliy?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:22

    Hey everyone what time is the Le Mans Qualliy?

    Which channel is it on the telly and what time does the coverage start?

    Also can I watch it on freeview

  • Jackie11/06/2009 at 08:24

    I'm wondering about buying a netbook .. anyone got any recommendations for a good one or are they a waste of time?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:28

    I'm wondering about buying a netbook .. anyone got any recommendations for a good one or are they a waste of time?

    Compaq 702EA brill, biggest keyboard of any netbook, xp home, 1GB of ram, 1.6 Atom Hyperthreaded

  • Jackie11/06/2009 at 08:28

    Compaq 702EA brill, biggest keyboard of any netbook, xp home, 1GB of ram, 1.6 Atom Hyperthreaded

    Thanks Chris .. is that good spec?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:31

    Thanks Chris .. is that good spec?

    The only problem with netbooks is that you can't view this livecommenting with two boxs side by side they are all in a row down the page

  • Jackie11/06/2009 at 08:32

    The only problem with netbooks is that you can't view this livecommenting with two boxs side by side they are all in a row down the page

    Cheers, I use the doohickey though so shouldn't be a problem

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:32

    Cheers, I use the doohickey though so shouldn't be a problem

    kool

    What the URL for doohickey

  • Jackie11/06/2009 at 08:36

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime/ for doohickey

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 08:37

    has the times on it

    le mans website

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:37

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/realtime/ for doohickey

    Thanks I think I will use that instead

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:38

    Thank

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 08:39

    has the times on it

    le mans website

    and for online watching, this feed worked yesterday, and hopefully will again.

  • sulumits retsambew11/06/2009 at 08:39

    thank you for sharing with us, your posting is great nice to read your blog, i hope it will be nice race

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 08:42

    Oh, and the Daily Express has said that RBR and STR have filed for unconditional entries.

    whoa?!?! when did that happen? so maybe they lined up with FOTA for one application, and another separate one? i wonder who else might have done that? I've got no info on this - i'm just speculating. my research time is limited these days.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 08:42

    Planetf1 are submitting on the story

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 08:45

    Oh, and the Daily Express has said that RBR and STR have filed for unconditional entries.

    whoa?!?! when did that happen? so maybe they lined up with FOTA for one application, and another separate one? i wonder who else might have done that? I've got no info on this - i'm just speculating. my research time is limited these days.

    the italian press are just reporting bernie's quotes in the Daily Express. nothing new over here. not yet ;)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 08:49

    Morning all,

    I see OK magazine daily have taken up f1 reporting...

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 08:55

    I see OK magazine daily have taken up f1 reporting...

    Oh?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 08:56

    G'morning guys.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 08:56

    taken from motorsport's article about yesterday's meeting

    Italy's La Stampa newspaper observes: "Mr Mosley risks passing into history as the man who destroyed Formula One."

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 08:57

    G'morning guys.

    morning Lukeh :)

  • Dank11/06/2009 at 08:59

    My shameless blog plug - hey look, it's Le Mans related. Albeit ten years out of date.

    Watching video of Peter Dumbreck’s CLR somersaulting through the air will forever make me wince.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:00

    There's also a rumor that Wurz's Superfund team may not make the cut, after the FIA saw it had some unpaid debt. But it's just GMM at this point, so nothing confirmed.

    Sometimes I wonder whose side will collapse first, with all this to-ing and fro-ing. That said, if the RBR-STR news is true, the FIA can afford to dump 2 hopefuls and still have a full grid...

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:03

    Morning Christine hows you! Is there going to be a Defief show this weekend?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:05

    I was thinking of paying the £5 or what ever it was to get the F1 app but then everyone is sayings its £5 every race, I might has well just stream the live timmings from my netbook and chat in the live commenting on my 17" beast of a laptop!

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:05

    I had a wierd moment this morning... got up at 6, opened curtains, got dressed, looked outside and thought "Ah, lovely Saturday start...." then noticed my stepdad and brother's cars had gone (to work, they don't work Saturdays)...then looked at my phone...

    ....and quietly crept back into bed feeling a bit silly. :P

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 09:05

    Oh?

    The daily/Sunday express is owned by the same people who own OK magazine, and there content is ...somewhat similar

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:06

    The RBR-STR news came from BobMcK. I'd say this is legit, sadly. :(

    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/106531/Bernie-s-warning-to-warring-teams

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:06

    Morning Christine hows you! Is there going to be a Defief show this weekend?

    As mentioned in the previous show, it really depends what happens on Friday, but at the moment, probably not.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:07

    ....and quietly crept back into bed feeling a bit silly. :P

    Hehehe. Two days ahead!

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:09

    Ok well I am atm changed from live commenting to the Real-Time Doohickey for daily chat and Live commenting for race weekends and shows

    I will be online tomorrow to chat about it.

    What time do you think they will release the entry list and where?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:10

    What time do you think they will release the entry list and where?

    No idea, the sooner the better so we can see what's going on behind the curtain so to speak. ;)

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:11

    cool

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 09:11

    The RBR-STR news came from BobMcK. I'd say this is legit, sadly. :(

    Unfortunately you cant trust anything that comes out of that paper, well respected journalists have turned out rubbish there before, i would trust GMM over anything in that paper, no matter who wrote it.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:11

    What time do you think they will release the entry list and where?

    It'll be on the FIA website, I'd imagine, but all the major news sites will pick it up straight away.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:12

    ok thanks

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:12

    Which website do you look at for F1 news for the comments and for F1 minute

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:12

    Bah, I know it's football (cue boos) but i can't believe how much coverage Manchester Utd accepted an £80million bid for Cristiano Ronaldo is getting, it's on the BBC's main news stories!

    £80million for one man.... yeesh.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:13

    I look at

    planetf1.com

    autosport.com

    bbc.com

    f1.com

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 09:13

    £80million for one man.... yeesh.

    Perhaps man utd will run a cost capped team for 2 years?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:13

    Which website do you look at for F1 news for the comments and for F1 minute

    Try this post:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/02/03/f1-websites-you-can-trust/

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:13

    LOL

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:14

    It'll be on the FIA website, I'd imagine, but all the major news sites will pick it up straight away.

    i suggest setting up a news alert on google news or cnn or something.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:14

    Perhaps man utd will run a cost capped team for 2 years?

    Hahaha :)

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:16

    Unfortunately you cant trust anything that comes out of that paper, well respected journalists have turned out rubbish there before, i would trust GMM over anything in that paper, no matter who wrote it.

    BobMcK is the dad of LeeMcK, and has Bernie's ear. Bernie wouldn't trust him if he was just writing trash...

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:19

    Video of Schumacher cruising around Fiorano in a 599GTB

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:21

    Video of Schumacher cruising around Fiorano in a 599GTB

    The front of that car is u-g-l-y!

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:22

    The front of that car is u-g-l-y!

    when i saw that there was a new video on the site, i was thinking it would be more interesting than it actually was.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:22

    I'm off up for a walk to tescos; who wants something? :P

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:23

    I'm off up for a walk to tescos; who wants something? :P

    pringles :)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 09:23

    BobMcK is the dad of LeeMcK, and has Bernie's ear. Bernie wouldn't trust him if he was just writing trash...

    I Know who he is, but i also know the paper. It had the same story on its front page for 97 days. It's football reports frequently make the wildest claims. It is a popularist gossip daily in my opinion.

    Perhaps the biggest reflection of the paper's nature is the fact that its biggest rival, the daily mail is now the second biggest paper in the country.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:23

    Video of Schumacher cruising around Fiorano in a 599GTB

    that website has an english version - go down to the bottom left of the page, and click on the arrow. lots of great videos and things.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:23

    I'm off up for a walk to tescos; who wants something? :P

    Can I have a new kettle? Or is that not what you meant?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:24

    In Le Mans news:

    http://www.planetlemans.com/2009/06/11/aco-rejects-peugeot-protest-peugeot-appeals/

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:24

    Can I have a new kettle? Or is that not what you meant?

    *might* just be out of my price range. ;)

    pringles it is!

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 09:25

    Can I have a new kettle? Or is that not what you meant?

    A kettle that sends you a tweet when it's finished boiling?

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:26

    pringles it is!

    yeah! bad luck Christine. woohoo!!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 09:26

    A kettle that sends you a tweet when it's finished boiling?

    Haha.

    Wouldn't a USB kettle be a better option?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:27

    yeah! bad luck Christine. woohoo!!

    Darn it.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 09:27

    Wouldn't a USB kettle be a better option?

    Good point. We'll have to check with Pat W though it was him who wanted it originally.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:27

    A kettle that sends you a tweet when it's finished boiling?

    We haven't invented it yet, have we?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 09:28

    We haven't invented it yet, have we?

    That's true :(

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 09:29

    We haven't invented it yet, have we?

    I forgot to mention this before when you were talking about plants on your blog the other week...

    There is a plant on twitter. Really...

    http://twitter.com/pothos

    And an explanation of how to get it working...

    http://tweethacking.com/twitter-hacks/twitter-hack-how-to-monitor-your-plants-with-botanicalls/

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:31

    There is a plant on twitter. Really...

    Wow... weird!

    Ooh, Alex, thanks for the reminder yesterday btw :)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 09:32

    Ooh, Alex, thanks for the reminder yesterday btw :)

    That's okay. I then promptly forgot to phone my dad!

    But then somebody else at the office had their birthday yesterday and brought it cake and then I remembered!

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:33

    But then somebody else at the office had their birthday yesterday and brought it cake and then I remembered!

    Yesterday is a popular day!

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 09:37

    well, to be frank, I do not know what I want to be true. if both sides stay firm, we know what the result will be. someone has to make some move. {Comment #72}

    If both sides stand firm, F1 will have a very depleted grid in 2010 and won't exist in 2011. F2 and GP2 will then duke it out to become the successor (in both cases with the "2" replaced with a "1"). Both will claim to be the best series but Superleague will have the best car (assuming it still exists by then). NASCAR will laugh its collective head off and become the world's most popular motor sport.

    If FOTA caves in, there will either be no F1 in 2011 or the FIA won't need regulations any more because everyone will know that that the series is totally subject to the vagaries of its whims.

    If the FIA caves in, we will get F1 into the foreseeable future, albeit with a depleted grid until the recession recedes.

    I want the latter solution, however unlikely it is while Mr Mosley remains in office.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 09:39

    There’s also a rumor that Wurz’s Superfund team may not make the cut, after the FIA saw it had some unpaid debt. {Comment #98}

    How can it have unpaid debt? I thought it had only just come into existence?!?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 09:42

    If both sides stand firm, F1 will have a very depleted grid in 2010 and won't exist in 2011. F2 and GP2 will then duke it out to become the successor (in both cases with the "2" replaced with a "1"). Both will claim to be the best series but Superleague will have the best car (assuming it still exists by then). NASCAR will laugh its collective head off and become the world's most popular motor sport.

    This seems to be more opinion than fact... I cant see f1 being destroyed by a split, it makes too much money. Maybe It would be damaged, but i see it being a possitive thing.

    I also see no logic as to how there will be no f1 whether FIA or FOTA do anything to compromise...

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 09:43

    Perhaps man utd will run a cost capped team for 2 years? {Comment #115}

    Perhaps Man Utd should get some practise in Superleague first?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:46

    NASCAR will laugh its collective head off and become the world’s most popular motor sport.

    Oh god... Can't we all watch Le Mans instead? But then I remember Peugeot's protest and realize they're also in some doo-doo.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 09:47

    This seems to be more opinion than fact… I cant see f1 being destroyed by a split, it makes too much money. {Comment #144}

    It's not the split itself that would destroy F1. It's Article 7.3 b) in the Sporting Regulations, which the FIA's behaviour indicates won't be changed if it gets its way. Since no team can possibly comply with it under the budget cap, then anyone who's signed under the budget cap will be disqualified at the end of 2010. Quite how a series can survive the disqualification of every single participant is beyond me. Even if the money was there, nobody would want to partake of an impossible challenge.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 09:48

    Can’t we all watch Le Mans instead? {Comment #146}

    We certainly can! However, NASCAR is better equipped marketeering-wise to tap the casual market.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:50

    How can it have unpaid debt? I thought it had only just come into existence?!?

    If I were to guess, I'd say it's Superfund the company that has the debt. If my understanding is correct, Superfund will co-own the team with Wurz.

    This seems to be more opinion than fact… I cant see f1 being destroyed by a split, it makes too much money. Maybe It would be damaged, but i see it being a possitive thing.

    I can see it getting destroyed by a split. F1 is making money because the teams (Ferrari, McLaren, etc.) are there. Once they leave, so does the money. These teams will then try making their money somewhere else, either through a breakaway or by joining other series (like Le Mans).

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:52

    We certainly can! However, NASCAR is better equipped marketeering-wise to tap the casual market.

    I see it getting some people, but I don't think that many people will be interested to see cars go round ovals for 3 hours every weekend. And even they are starting to struggle with dropping audiences and TV ratings, thanks to a certain Jimmie Johnson and the drop in form of Dale Earnhardt, Jr.

    The Le Mans Series has half-a-chance at going back to the big time, as long as it can get a good commercial deal.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:53

    Say happy birthday to:

    Jackie Stewart, who turns 70, and

    Jean Alesi, who turns 45.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 09:54

    We certainly can! However, NASCAR is better equipped marketeering-wise to tap the casual market.

    NASCAR is far too American, and I don't think they would ever change, as it would risk their American fans. There is no history of oval racing outside of north america either.

    NASCAR's southern US image is particularly unappealing in Europe. To succeed here the owners could launch a European touring car variant, like speedcar, but it will be very difficult to tempt the f1 crowd with such a different concept of racing.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 09:55

    Morning people. :D

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:57

    I am writing a Quick Start Guide to Sidepodcast, for anyone new to the site to read. We understand it can be a bit daunting, and we're hoping the redesign will help, but I want to introduce a page with a quick overview of what we do and what you can do to get involved.

    For any of the lovely new people who have joined us recently, what kind of things should I put on this page that would have helped? Were there any specific questions you could have been saved asking?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 09:57

    NASCAR’s southern US image is particularly unappealing in Europe. To succeed here the owners could launch a European touring car variant, like speedcar, but it will be very difficult to tempt the f1 crowd with such a different concept of racing.

    Agreed. They're way more likely to go the way of Le Mans or MotoGP than NASCAR, IMO.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:57

    Im back :) No kettles and pringles I'm afraid ;)

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:57

    I am writing a Quick Start Guide to Sidepodcast, for anyone new to the site to read. We understand it can be a bit daunting, and we're hoping the redesign will help, but I want to introduce a page with a quick overview of what we do and what you can do to get involved.

    Sounds like an excellent idea :)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:58

    Im back :) No kettles and pringles I'm afraid ;)

    They didn't have any or you didn't get them?

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:58

    I am writing a Quick Start Guide to Sidepodcast

    i think the first line should be what amy came up with "surrender your life to us" ;)

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 09:58

    They didn't have any or you didn't get them?

    They had no pringles! Not even the yucky original Pringles!

    It was a Tesco Extra though.... but I'm surprised they had none.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 09:58

    Can you email a copy of that Guide so I can learn more about the world of sidepodcast

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 09:59

    Im back :) No kettles and pringles I'm afraid ;)

    ma dai! [But, come on! in italian]

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:59

    For any of the lovely new people who have joined us recently, what kind of things should I put on this page that would have helped? Were there any specific questions you could have been saved asking?

    Long time Sidepodpeeps can answer to. We were all new once :)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:59

    Can you email a copy of that Guide so I can learn more about the world of sidepodcast

    It will be published on the site when it's finished.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 09:59

    It was a Tesco Extra though.... but I'm surprised they had none.

    I would write a strongly worded letter if I were you.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 10:00

    I would write a strongly worded letter if I were you.

    Dear tesco,

    Oi.

    Yours, Lukeh.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 10:00

    Oi.

    That should do it.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:02

    Argreed

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 10:02

    Long time Sidepodpeeps can answer to. We were all new once :)

    I've gone near the wiki once. it scares me.

    which part of the websites are active and when? eg when to use live commenting / real time doohickey.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:02

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:04

    I've gone near the wiki once. it scares me.

    which part of the websites are active and when? eg when to use live commenting / real time doohickey.

    How to quote things, when quoting things can be helpful etc.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 10:04

    I've gone near the wiki once. it scares me.

    which part of the websites are active and when? eg when to use live commenting / real time doohickey.

    Good questions :)

    Why does the wiki scare you? It is the easiest wiki to use I've ever seen, if that helps. No nonsense languages to learn.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 10:05

    For any of the lovely new people who have joined us recently, what kind of things should I put on this page that would have helped? Were there any specific questions you could have been saved asking?

    Ok i can do some suggestions, as i am still fresh off the boat!

    1- include the live commenting solutions... which is obvious, so i guess you knew that :)

    2- Explain what the daily post is, and how converstation moves to other threads for specific events

    3- Link to the wiki and explain roughly what can be found in there.

    4- Explain where reliable news can come from and where it doesn't

    5- Explain who Frackanack is and why he spells his name that way :D

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:06

    Maybe list the Names of all users that comment alot

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 10:06

    5- Explain who Frackanack is and why he spells his name that way :D

    He's French!

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 10:07

    Maybe list the Names of all users that comment alot

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/SPC+Regulars

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:07

    Maybe list the Names of all users that comment alot

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/SPC+Regulars

    Include the line "Do not feed the commenters" ?

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:09

    Long time Sidepodpeeps can answer to. We were all new once :)

    i think there needs as section on sidepodtime. an elastic band analogy is probably best. we stretch it as much as we need to, when we need to, and sometimes it snaps so we has to go buy a new one.

    also, assuming there's an faq:

    - we go live as soon as technology allows us to. which may or may not be when we said it would be.

    - the edited show will be available when it's available and not before.

    - no, we don't know when we'll be speaking to joe.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:09

    Include the line "Do not feed the commenters" ?

    No nachos :(

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:09

    Can you add my birthday to the Birthdays listas 26th January

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:10

    Can you add my birthday to the Birthdays listas 26th January

    The beauty of the wiki is you can add yourself!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 10:10

    Talk about how shows are scheduled, and where people can go if they want to listen to the archives. :D

    Explain the GMM thing-y. A lot of people tend to be surprised by that at first. ;)

    And most of all, more than a podcast, this is a community. Tell them to be themselves and have fun. :)

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:10

    Can you add my birthday to the Birthdays listas 26th January

    You can edit it in yourself. :D

    Ugh...just realised what it is on Tuesday...

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:10

    Can you add my birthday to the Birthdays listas 26th January

    it's a wiki. feel free to sign up and add it yourself.

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:10

    Ugh...just realised what it is on Tuesday...

    ?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:11

    how?

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:11

    ?

    You haven't forgotten have you? ;)

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:12

    where people can go if they want to listen to the archives. :D

    heeeh!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 10:12

    You can edit it in yourself. :D

    *Tiptoes into regular's profile and adds the name 'Roland Garross'*

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:12

    ?

    You haven't forgotten have you? ;)

    ??

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:12

    ?

    You haven't forgotten have you? ;)

    ??

    O.M.G!!!!

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:12

    ??

    *Keeps quiet as this could be funny*

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:13

    *Keeps quiet as this could be funny*

    :)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 10:13

    Talk about how shows are scheduled, and where people can go if they want to listen to the archives. :D

    I got through 4 Sidepodpanels in London yesterday :D

    ..some interesting opinions!

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:13

    O.M.G!!!!

    Naughty step!

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:13

    Naughty step!

    bugger.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 10:13

    how?

    Sign up for a Wiki account, then click EasyEdit on the page you wish to edit. It kinda works like a Word doc once you've clicked it. When you're done, click Save. :D

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:14

    O.M.G!!!!

    Naughty step!

    I was right. :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:14

    I was right. :D

    you did that on purpose you big meanie!

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 10:15

    how?

    Wetpaint themselves have a great How To section: http://www.wetpaintcentral.com/

    I don't think I can fit all that in the Quick Start Guide :)

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:15

    you did that on purpose you big meanie!

    Chaos! Panic! Disorder!

    My work here is done! :D

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:15

    you did that on purpose you big meanie!

    Of course you remembered Mr C didn't you. What you didn't quite realise that Flibster was THAT old!

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:16

    I don't think I can fit all that in the Quick Start Guide :)

    No, but that link could be handy :)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:16

    Of course you remembered Mr C didn't you. What you didn't quite realise that Flibster was THAT old!

    Although I am on thin ice myself!

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:18

    What you didn't quite realise that Flibster was THAT old!

    I am that old... Hence the reason parts of me are falling to pieces...

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:18

    Of course you remembered Mr C didn't you. What you didn't quite realise that Flibster was THAT old!

    hehe!

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 10:19

    Why does the wiki scare you? It is the easiest wiki to use I've ever seen, if that helps. No nonsense languages to learn.

    all wikis scare me. i prefer dictatorship where nothing is questioned ever. even if it's wrong. pretty much like my current work ;)

    seriously - the wiki issue comes from laziness/managing addiction. but everything seems to be there - i just never look. it's like when you listen to podcasts and then maybe listen to podcasts and live comment a race, and then you become addicted and turn on non race days. to me, the wiki is the next step in the sidepodaddicition.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 10:19

    If I were to guess, I’d say it’s Superfund the company that has the debt. If my understanding is correct, Superfund will co-own the team with Wurz. {Comment #149}

    Fair enough - that would make some sense.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 10:19

    I don't think I can fit all that in the Quick Start Guide :)

    just refer to it. why waste "ink" twice.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 10:19

    O.M.G!!!!

    Ooooh... that'll hurt. Bad. :P

  • me11/06/2009 at 10:20

    Ooooh... that'll hurt. Bad. :P

    what you mean is... ooooh, that'll cost a lot to fix.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 10:22

    what you mean is… ooooh, that’ll cost a lot to fix.

    oh yes, it will. of course, you can just get a baby panda and make your life a lot easier. ;)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:22

    what you mean is... ooooh, that'll cost a lot to fix.

    Especially as the Sims 3 is already commited for getting you off the naughty step!

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 10:24

    to me, the wiki is the next step in the sidepodaddicition.

    It could be, I suppose. But I see it more as a reference place than somewhere that will suck you in.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:25

    Whats Sims3 like?

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:25

    what you mean is... ooooh, that'll cost a lot to fix.

    :D You need a windows mobile phone which will remind you for a month before the event happens - like mine. :D

    Off the topic of MrC being in huge amount of trouble. ;) has anyone seen my copy of Blood Sugar Sex Magic by the Red Hot Chilli Peppers? I've got the case - but there is no CD....

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:26

    On another subject Mr C...

    Oddity on the Chrome front. I can see the same issue that the others were pointing out yesterday, but oddly if you minimise or are in another application it works perfectly. It's only switching tabs that it isn't recognising.

    (And the sidepodcast tab has to be at the front when you give focus to the application)

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:26

    Whats Sims3 like?

    See Sims and Sims 2 - just add better graphics.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 10:27

    Whats Sims3 like?

    Addictive!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 10:28

    has anyone seen my copy of Blood Sugar Sex Magic by the Red Hot Chili Peppers? I’ve got the case - but there is no CD…

    we don't live in your house, y'know. :P hehe. :D

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:28

    What spec is your computer, I have a netbook and I don't know if it will run it

  • James11/06/2009 at 10:29

    What spec is your computer, I have a netbook and I don't know if it will run it

    Try this site: http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srl ;)

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:29

    we don't live in your house, y'know. :P hehe. :D

    I bet someone's put it back in the wrong case.

    *looks at wall of CD cases...2700ish of them*

    Bugger. :(

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 10:30

    I bet someone's put it back in the wrong case.

    Where is that CD then?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 10:30

    What spec is your computer, I have a netbook and I don't know if it will run it

    I have a notebook too

    Windows Vista Premium

    2.1GHz dual Core

    ATI Radeon HD 3200

    Works fine for me, tad bit of slowdown and textures take a second or two to load when you start up but works fine.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:32

    Well my netbook is a 1.6GHz Atom Hyperthreaded, 1GB ram

  • James11/06/2009 at 10:32

    See Sims and Sims 2 - just add better graphics.

    I have the original sims and I am often tempted to play it. I want Sims 3 but don't have computer that will cope :(

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:32

    What on the system requirements on the back of the case of Sims3

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 10:33

    Well my netbook is a 1.6GHz Atom Hyperthreaded, 1GB ram

    Unless you're on XP, it's likely it'll struggle quite badly

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:33

    Yer XP Pro

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:34

    What about my other laptop with a 1.46ghz Pentium Dual Core with 2GB of ram and 120GB hard drive

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 10:34

    It could be, I suppose. But I see it more as a reference place than somewhere that will suck you in.

    it's still another part of the experience, and I have enough with the stuff I appear in :)

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 10:34

    What on the system requirements on the back of the case of Sims3

    Operating System

    Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Windows Vista Service Pack 1

    CPU Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent

    2.0GHz (XP)

    2.4GHz (Vista) [If built-in graphics chipsets then 2.6 GHz Pentium D CPU, or 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, or equivalent.]

    Memory

    1 GB (XP)

    1.5GB (Vista)[If built-in graphics then add 0.5 GB additional RAM]

    Hard Drive Space

    6.1GB or more for extra content

    Graphics Hardware

    DirectX 9.0c compliant card with 128 MB RAM (NVIDIA FX 5900/ATI 9500 or better) and support for Pixel Shader 2.0

    Sound Hardware

    100% DirectX 9.0c compliant card

  • James11/06/2009 at 10:35

    This site will tell you if you can run the game, just select "The Sims 3 - PC" from the dropdown ;)

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:36

    ok cheers will have a look tonight when I get home

  • James11/06/2009 at 10:38

    According to the site I need a more powerful CPU in order to play Sims 3 :lol:

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:38

    What CPU have you got

  • James11/06/2009 at 10:41

    Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz

    Its the CPU speed that isn't fast enough, you need at least 2.0GHz.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:43

    Thats avery quick CPU

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 10:44

    James allen says the bosses of Red Bull, ferrari and toyota are meeting Mosley in london today.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 10:45

    James allen says the bosses of Red Bull, ferrari and toyota are meeting Mosley in london today.

    In a basement....

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 10:45

    James allen says the bosses of Red Bull, ferrari and toyota are meeting Mosley in london today.

    sabers at dawn?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:46

    COOL

    Lets hope they get stuff sorted

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 10:47

    COOL

    Lets hope they get stuff sorted

    I think he's interested in a new Yaris, He is also in the market for a nice Ferrari sweatshirt (Red) and i believe a beverage company is providing refreshment

  • F1Wolf11/06/2009 at 10:48

    James allen says the bosses of Red Bull, ferrari and toyota are meeting Mosley in london today.

    Interesting ... this is what John Howett said to Autosport a day or two ago:

    Q. Are there plans for FOTA to talk to the FIA this week?

    JH: I don't think we resist doing that. I think Flavio [Briatore] was discussing that possibility and received information that it would be ill-advised to have a meeting before Friday. So I don't know. We remain open to discuss, but I think our position is fairly firm on the criteria that we wish to be resolved.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 10:50

    John Howett is who exactly? BMW?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 10:50

    Toyota

  • F1Wolf11/06/2009 at 10:51

    John Howett is who exactly? BMW?

    Toyota boss and vice chairman of FOTA

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 10:53

    And even they are starting to struggle with dropping audiences and TV ratings, thanks to a certain Jimmie Johnson and the drop in form of Dale Earnhardt, Jr. {Comment #150}

    What did Jimmie Johnson do to cause the problem?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 10:57

    What did Jimmie Johnson do to cause the problem?

    Came from California

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 10:57

    James allen says the bosses of Red Bull, ferrari and toyota are meeting Mosley in london today.

    it's a stranglely worded comment "have been detailed"? so planned but sounds like that was decided yesterday.

    >Three of the team bosses have been detailed to attend the meeting, Ferrari’s Stefano Domenicali, Red Bull’s Christian Horner and Toyota’s John Howett.

  • me11/06/2009 at 11:00

    have we discussed ant's snaps on autosport?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 11:03

    have we discussed ant's snaps on autosport?

    ha! awesome.

    darren turner and ant davidson in a childrens playhouse is a strange thing to see....

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 11:03

    have we discussed ant's snaps on autosport?

    Verry cool, perhaps he will take some to keep him awake going down those straights!

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 11:04

    Say happy birthday to:

    Jackie Stewart, who turns 70, and

    Jean Alesi, who turns 45. {Comment #151}

    Happy birthday, Jackie and Jean!

  • me11/06/2009 at 11:06

    i like the idea of a archibald flippy-flop driving a brm.

    just sayin'.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 11:08

    See Sims and Sims 2 - just add better graphics. {Comment #218}

    Must remember to start playing Sims 2 again, now that I've caught up on my Turkey obligations...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 11:13

    Building costs have fallen, but 70%? I think he may have decided to make the grandstand out of bolser wood, and the podium out of old tyres

  • me11/06/2009 at 11:17

    Building costs have fallen, but 70%? I think he may have decided to make the grandstand out of bolser wood, and the podium out of old tyres

    hehe. might be a case of byogs.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 11:38

    Posted this tweet last night, just remembered now looking on my phone I took a photo at the time I tried to twitpic but never worked. Looking outside today it's blue skies, warm, light winds, gotta love the erratic weather sometimes :D

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 11:42

    Moley Moley Mole

    http://www.grandprix.com/mole/mole21554.html

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 11:45

    Moley Moley Mole

    only one paragraph in and now I want a cup of tea and some biscuits :(

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 11:46

    Moley Moley Mole

    :)

    Nice to Mole you

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 11:50

    Here is my first draft:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/about/new-to-sidepodcast-quick-start-guide/

    For a quick start guide... it's quite long.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 11:51

    Nice to Mole you

    I like it, its a shame he didn't take up my idea of 4 races in north America per year, but knocking off the IRL with F1 is still a big opportunity, I cant see bernie doing that, but a breakaway could.

  • RCC (aka rockingcopsecorner)11/06/2009 at 11:53

    i like the idea of a archibald flippy-flop driving a brm.

    just sayin’.

    Gillet sums it all up by saying he's a businessman first and doesn't give two hoots about history.

    Something about Donnington worries me, I would want to see a Britsh GP for sure but i'd feel really angry giving him my hard earned money. Silverstone has many faults but I just love the place!! Although I am lucky enough to live only 15 miles away and get to lots of events........

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 11:53

    Came from California

    and has won 3 titles in a row - gunning for 4 in a row this year. that's triggered discussion among fans that NASCAR is becoming boring. which may be partly true as well thanks to that Car of Tomorrow which has made overtaking even more difficult.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 11:54

    Here is my first draft:

    My name’s Christine and I’m in charge. I’m quite a nice person until you say mean things about Franck Motnagny or pandas

    :D :D :D

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 11:54

    My name’s Christine and I’m in charge. I’m quite a nice person until you say mean things about Franck Motnagny or pandas

    Wow, I spelled his name wrong. That's terrible!

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 11:55

    A wiki what now

    Love it!

  • me11/06/2009 at 11:55

    Love it!

    seconded.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 11:55

    My name’s Christine and I’m in charge. I’m quite a nice person until you say mean things about Franck Motnagny or pandas

    I stopped short of saying 'This means you, Nick.'

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 11:55

    Now, it seems that Max's "wiggle room" sways very close to what FOTA want or are willing to compromise to. Hopefully, this means that even if Max stays in, FOTA will get the rules that they want.

  • Chris11/06/2009 at 11:55

    seconded.

    Thirded, if such a word exists

  • me11/06/2009 at 11:57

    Now, it seems that Max's "wiggle room" sways very close to what FOTA want or are willing to compromise to. Hopefully, this means that even if Max stays in, FOTA will get the rules that they want.

    i think he might be close to losing this one (which would be a first). thoughts?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 11:57

    Thirded, if such a word exists

    I'll just go with 'what everyone else said' :P

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:00

    i would probably change: "We don’t encourage the linking of GMM stories"

    to: We don’t encourage the linking of syndicated news stories

    just because there are some others (and will likely be more in the future).

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:01

    also, voicemail could probably do with a mention.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:01

    to: We don’t encourage the linking of syndicated news stories

    Although maybe in that case it should be a blend like...

    We don’t encourage the linking of syndicated news stories (for example GMM)

    Not everyone will know what syndicated news stories are I guess

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:02

    also, voicemail could probably do with a mention.

    The one on 0121 28 TRACK?

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:02

    Not everyone will know what syndicated news stories are I guess

    better :)

  • James11/06/2009 at 12:02

    We don’t encourage the linking of syndicated news stories (for example GMM)

    I was about to suggest that :P

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:03

    The one on 0121 28 TRACK?

    that's the one. or +44 121 28 87225 (if you prefer).

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:04

    Random fact of the day: I know Pixie Lott's father.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:05

    that's the one. or +44 121 28 87225 (if you prefer).

    Or it can be found on Skype under the user name Sidepodcast

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:06

    Or it can be found on Skype under the user name Sidepodcast

    i heard that. we wanted to be ex-directory... but y'know ;)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:10

    I stopped short of saying 'This means you, Nick.'

    :lol: Thank you!

    But a very good post, I even learnt a thing or 2.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:10

    We don’t encourage the linking of syndicated news stories (for example GMM)

    Yup, that sounds just about perfect. :)

    i think he might be close to losing this one (which would be a first). thoughts?

    i sure hope so! with lotus, brabham, and maybe even superfund in trouble, max's hopes of a crony-populated grid are pretty slim. but this will ultimately be a compromise. there will be no definitive winner (I think), but some will fare better than others.

    we'll probably find out by tonight... late tonight.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:11

    i heard that. we wanted to be ex-directory... but y'know ;)

    Wouldn't want the sidepodpony to get an sms :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:13

    we'll probably find out by tonight... late tonight.

    you reckon?

    i'm thinking it'll still be tomorrow at the earliest.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:14

    i'm thinking it'll still be tomorrow at the earliest.

    Knowing Max... negotiation's all day tomorrow, break down at 6pm, rumours of another meeting at 10 pm. Entry list issued at 11:35 with all current teams on it.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:14

    "because there will be others who aren’t interested to talk to"

    you mean, "interested to talk about it"?

    otherwise, it's a brilliant starter kit. :D

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:16

    i’m thinking it’ll still be tomorrow at the earliest.

    could be, but the FIA have a penchant of releasing things in the afternoon (usually late afternoon, but it's been released earlier), so this will probably get settled tonight.

    of course, given the gravity of this situation, it can easily spill over to tomorrow. as long as this gets settled amicably tomorrow, i'm cool with it. any later than tomorrow and i'll probably go nuts...

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 12:16

    We don’t encourage the linking of syndicated news stories (for example GMM)

    Will do.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 12:17

    you mean, "interested to talk about it"?

    Um, do I? Why would they talk about it if they're not interested?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:19

    Um, do I? Why would they talk about it if they’re not interested?

    Ohhh... reading your sentence in a different way, I get what you mean now.

    Carry on. ;)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 12:21

    Ohhh... reading your sentence in a different way, I get what you mean now.

    It could probably do with rewriting though, will have a look :)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:21

    Did we see this?

    Simon Gillette saying he has a 17 year contract for Donnington!

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76007

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:23

    Simon Gillette saying he has a 17 year contract for Donnington!

    Not to mention the man is a genie in a bottle and he has cut 70% of the construction costs! :D

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:25

    Teds notebook FTW!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/f1mole/2009/06/ted-kravitz-the-turkish-gp-fro.html

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:26

    Simon Gillette saying he has a 17 year contract for Donnington!

    That sounds an awful lot like the 100-year commercial deal Bernie got from Max. Why the heck would Bernie give him a 17-year deal? That doesn't exactly put pressure on Mr. Gillett to keep a high standard of quality...

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:26

    Teds notebook FTW!

    finally!

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 12:26

    Teds notebook FTW!

    yaaaaaay! :)

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:27

    That sounds an awful lot like the 100-year commercial deal Bernie got from Max. Why the heck would Bernie give him a 17-year deal? That doesn't exactly put pressure on Mr. Gillett to keep a high standard of quality...

    he hates the brdc that much? the contract (if real) will no-doubt out live him.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:30

    That sounds an awful lot like the 100-year commercial deal Bernie got from Max. Why the heck would Bernie give him a 17-year deal? That doesn't exactly put pressure on Mr. Gillett to keep a high standard of quality...

    It's the only way the debenture thing would work.

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:30

    Teds notebook FTW!

    interesting comment on vettel:

    "He almost did it, too. The first sector was the quickest of the race, but Vettel messed up the last few corners and fell short of Button's fastest lap by a 10th of a second."

    the boy has a lot still to learn then.

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:31

    It's the only way the debenture thing would work.

    why would bernie care about that?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:31

    Teds notebook FTW!

    Ted agreeing with me (you know what I mean) that it was more about the Brawn diffuser slowing down Vettel than anything else.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:32

    he hates the brdc that much? the contract (if real) will no-doubt out live him.

    It probably has more exit clauses than (insert metaphor).

    e.g. If FOM management changes, If FOM's owners change, It DPV's management or ownership changes, If attendances don't meet x-level, amongst others

    Thats not to say they would be used, but im sure Bernie can leave when he wants to and at the same time brag he has secured the future of the British grand prix.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:33

    why would bernie care about that?

    Because that's how Gillette could pay for it without Government money.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 12:34

    Aha, so we're all talking about it then!!

    How are we all?

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:35

    Because that's how Gillette could pay for it without Government money.

    again. why would bernie care?

    it doesn't make any sense. the man only cares about his race fee income, and a huge lease like that reduces his bargaining position.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:38

    it doesn’t make any sense. the man only cares about his race fee income, and a huge lease like that reduces his bargaining position.

    the only thing i can think of is if there are agreed-upon times to renegotiate the price within the 17-year period - every 4 years, for example. basically, bernie gave gillett a 17-year guarantee to host the GP, but the price would vary...

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:39

    also from ted:

    "It is not know when or if Williams might race their flywheel but they are already marketing it for other transport applications."

    which i think was always a given, but shows that williams are no longer a team who "exist only to race".

    frank might like to lean on that phrase while defending his fota exclusion, but the truth is williams are expanding outside of f1, just as mclaren did before them.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:40

    Ted agreeing with me (you know what I mean) that it was more about the Brawn diffuser slowing down Vettel than anything else.

    :P I set him straight with a comment

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:40

    the only thing i can think of is if there are agreed-upon times to renegotiate the price within the 17-year period - every 4 years, for example. basically, bernie gave gillett a 17-year guarantee to host the GP, but the price would vary...

    cal me a cynic, but i don't believe it. no doubt it suits bernie and simon to be saying this publicly, right now, but i'm not buying a word of it.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 12:41

    hey Everyone, Back from lunch

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:41

    i'm not buying a word of it.

    What if the words were in the app store? :lol:

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:41

    What if the words were in the app store? :lol:

    ehehehehe.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:41

    hey Everyone, Back from lunch

    Welcome back from lunch

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 12:42

    Thanks

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:42

    again. why would bernie care? it doesn't make any sense. the man only cares about his race fee income, and a huge lease like that reduces his bargaining position.

    Silverstone didn't pay enough. Bernie wanted more money. Government won't pay. Contract with teams say he has to have a British Grand Prix. Gillette says I'll pay you a load more but you'll have to give to give me a long contract. Why? Because I'm going to sell debentures. Did you see what happened at Wimbledon? The Arsenal Stadium? We could be make a tonne of cash as long as you make sure we have some strong British drivers Bernie...

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:46

    From Ted's Turkey diary:

    The truth is BMW did try to win the championship. They were going for it and did bring performance to the car, it's just that relations with Robert Kubica were a little strained at the time and they did not want to publicly contradict him.

    Now that contradicts the established thinking. But I still wonder how hard they really pushed last year...

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:46

    Now that contradicts the established thinking. But I still wonder how hard they really pushed last year...

    That's why he is TED NEWS!

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:47

    Now that contradicts the established thinking. But I still wonder how hard they really pushed last year...

    That's why he is TED NEWS!

    agreed.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:47

    We could be make a tonne of cash as long as you make sure we have some strong British drivers Bernie…

    That makes Gillett either a genius or a fool... We shall see how it turns out...

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:47

    That makes Gillett either a genius or a fool... We shall see how it turns out...

    he's a fool.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:49

    he's a fool.

    :)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 12:50

    Just read the "new to SPC guide-thingy-bob-ness"

    Really good :)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:51

    The debenture scheme is interesting, but i am not convinced it will work:

    1) Only 1 event per year which corporate types will care about (also companies that buy debentures to let them out)

    2) It doesn't have the 'ticket exclusivity' of Wimbledon, tickets are pricey, but available for even this years British Grand Prix

    3) Debenture schemes work well at places like the millennium stadium and Wembley as they have seats which are defiantly better, ok being on the main straight by the line is an advantage, but it inst the same as getting great seats for the football, and having that familiar seat once a month.

    4) Long term support in stadium sports is easier as you know your team will be there for the duration of your ticket, who knows what teams and drivers will be doing in f1 next year, let alone 17! there could be no British divers in f1 in 7 years time, then what?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 12:51

    If todays meeting in londons sorts everything in F1 here is my prediction for the entry list tomorrow:

    Ferrari

    McLaren

    Force India

    Williams

    Red Bull

    STR

    Prodrive

    USF1

    Brawn GP

    BMW

    Briatore GP (Management buyout of Renault by Flavio)

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 12:53

    If todays meeting in londons sorts everything in F1 here is my prediction for the entry list tomorrow:

    Missing 2 teams..they want 13.

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:53

    The debenture scheme is interesting, but i am not convinced it will work:

    just to check, but doesn't this scheme also include a garage so you can race your own cars on the track. Or did that change?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:54

    Briatore GP Queens Park Racing (Management buyout of Renault by Flavio)

    Fixed it for you :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:54

    Fixed it for you :D

    :D

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 12:54

    Who would you add to the list:

    Toyota are a 50/50 maybe

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 12:54

    just to check, but doesn't this scheme also include a garage so you can race your own cars on the track. Or did that change?

    Oh i didn't know that, i was going on the assumption it was just a grandstand seat

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:54

    Chris, you still have 2 vacant spots. I say they'll be taken by Toyota and... hmmmm, Lola or Lotus? Hmmm... I'll say Lola.

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:55

    Oh i didn't know that, i was going on the assumption it was just a grandstand seat

    am not sure either. things may have changed anyhow.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 12:55

    Lotus are not going to be in F1 they have started legal action

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:55

    Chris, you still have 2 vacant spots. I say they'll be taken by Toyota and... hmmmm, Lola or Lotus? Hmmm... I'll say Lola.

    not lotus.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 12:56

    Lotus are not going to be in F1 they have started legal action

    Against what? They can do nothing.

    Team Lotus is owned by David Hunt - not by Lotus

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:56

    From reading the Guide earlier, I read the potted history which led me back to the megamix.

    Two points

    1) Valencia was boring last year... This year... Oh god!

    2) Paskis' voicemail rang very true and is and was amazing...

    Hey this is Paskis calling from Sydney and all I can say is HOOOOOOOOOT DAAAAAMMMMMMMMMNNN that was a hell of a season. And of course if you're going to have a season like that handful of races from the end of the season you've still got four in the running and a only couple of races from the end of the season and still two in the running and then the last lap of the last race. What do you do when you've had a season like that? You change all of the rules and all of the car specifications.

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/12/26/episode-88-2008-season-review-megamix/

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 12:57

    The debenture scheme is interesting, but i am not convinced it will work:

    I agree with you it's flawed. But I think that was the reason he got the gig!

  • me11/06/2009 at 12:59

    Against what? They can do nothing.

    they can tie them up in a protracted legal battle long enough to kill any f1 aspirations.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 12:59

    I love this comment on crash.net's article:

    http://www.crash.net/formula+one/news/148144/1/stoddart_predicts_biggest_single_shock_in_f1_history.html

    At last someone has confirmed what I said a long time ago. MM knackered the contract with Ferrari by not handing over a bing wad of tenners and is in breach of contract and as such the contract is invalid and Ferrari are not legally bound to stay in F1 until 2012. What will happen is FOTA and the FIA will jump up and down and [mess] about and at the final moment they will kiss, make up and have a night of cuddling and telling each other how much they love each other until the next hissy fit. I'm telling you, it's a storm in a very expensive tea cup and it will blow over.

    Love it! I hope he's right, though.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:00

    they can tie them up in a protracted legal battle long enough to kill any f1 aspirations.

    For what? Legally using a name that Lotus have no rights to?

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:00

    1) Valencia was boring last year... This year... Oh god!

    maybe we should all boycott it. go to the beach or something?

    no podcast, no live commenting. pretend it's not happening?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:02

    maybe we should all boycott it. go to the beach or something?

    Ooooh.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:02

    maybe we should all boycott it. go to the beach or something?

    Martin Brundle should boycott Valencia instead of Hungaroring. Not to mention that Valencia is the type of circuit custom-made for the Brawn...

    no podcast, no live commenting. pretend it’s not happening?

    No podcast should be possible. No live commenting would be rather more difficult... :D

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:02

    no podcast, no live commenting. pretend it's not happening?

    I know lou's going on holiday when Valencia is on, perhaps she's got the idea? :P

    Who knows, Valencia could become the sidepodcast equivalent of Brundle's lack of Hungary visits...

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:03

    No podcast should be possible. No live commenting would be rather more difficult... :D

    We'd just switch it off?

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:03

    For what? Legally using a name that Lotus have no rights to?

    team lotus contains the word lotus, right? that's probably more than enough to keep a bunch of suits in work for a good 12-18 months.

    team lotus will not race in f1 in 2010. it's not going to happen.

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:03

    1) Valencia was boring last year... This year... Oh god!

    I am scared. Someone hold me.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:04

    We'd just switch it off?

    if that was the decision, then it's just a flick of a switch to turn off all commenting for the weekend. guess it depends what people think?

    me thinks it might be quite fun if we did something interesting instead.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:05

    Who knows, Valencia could become the sidepodcast equivalent of Brundle’s lack of Hungary visits…

    :D

    I am scared. Someone hold me.

    Amy, didn't you plan on watching all the races this season? Valencia will be your ultimate test - especially if we all decide to hie off to the beach. :D

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:06

    The thing is that I know that in reality a lot of people will still watch it. And during a boring race the only things that keep us sane are the comments.

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:06

    me thinks it might be quite fun if we did something interesting instead.

    we'd probably all boycott it and it would turn out to be the best race of the season. Maybe Piquet would crash into the water.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:07

    me thinks it might be quite fun if we did something interesting instead.

    The Great Sidepodexperiment? Ooooh... :D

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:07

    Amy, didn't you plan on watching all the races this season? Valencia will be your ultimate test - especially if we all decide to hie off to the beach. :D

    I barely watched the last half of Turkey, but it was on my TV. Does that count? I can totally do that for Valencia too :D

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:07

    The thing is that I know that in reality a lot of people will still watch it. And during a boring race the only things that keep us sane are the comments.

    did you just say "sane" and "the comments" in teh same sentance?

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:08

    team lotus contains the word lotus, right? that's probably more than enough to keep a bunch of suits in work for a good 12-18 months.

    team lotus will not race in f1 in 2010. it's not going to happen.

    So why haven't they sued IBM then? ;)

    There is no company called Lotus, there is Group Lotus, Lotus Cars, Lotus Engineering and Team Lotus

    Team Lotus was disbanded in 1994 and the right to use the name Team Lotus was sold to David Hunt. He can use it in pretty much any way he wants. He's given permission for Litespeed to use it for their F1 entry.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:08

    The thing is that I know that in reality a lot of people will still watch it. And during a boring race the only things that keep us sane are the comments.

    You make a very good point there. :D

    we’d probably all boycott it and it would turn out to be the best race of the season. Maybe Piquet would crash into the water.

    Or Kimi would hie off to his yacht... ;)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:08

    The thing is that I know that in reality a lot of people will still watch it. And during a boring race the only things that keep us sane are the comments.

    The only reason I am even remotely interested in the Valencian GP is to see whether that green building is still there.

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:09

    The only reason I am even remotely interested in the Valencian GP is to see whether that green building is still there.

    I do not know of which building you speak.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:09

    I barely watched the last half of Turkey, but it was on my TV. Does that count? I can totally do that for Valencia too

    You have Roger Federer to thank for barely watching Turkey. He won't be able to save you in Valencia. ;)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:10

    did you just say "sane" and "the comments" in teh same sentance?

    :)

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:10

    So why haven't they sued IBM then? ;)

    they're not racing cars?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:10

    I do not know of which building you speak.

    Where's the green building anyway? The only remarkable features in Valencia are the paddock and the bridge.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:10

    I do not know of which building you speak.

    I hear it's green

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:11

    Where's the green building anyway? The only remarkable features in Valencia are the paddock and the bridge.

    And the green building. It was VERY green

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:11

    You have Roger Federer to thank for barely watching Turkey. He won't be able to save you in Valencia. ;)

    I am trying to think of the last race that I did pay full attention to the last 50% of, and struggling to be honest. Bad fan. Bad bad fan.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:12

    "The organisers of the Le Mans 24 Hours have thrown the door open for any of Formula 1's manufacturers to compete in the French classic - and they have even been offered the chance to help shape future regulations."

    :D :D :D

    how ironic

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:12

    And the green building. It was VERY green

    I am thinking I need to pull out my 2008 review and watch out for this building. I can't even remember who won the race though so it's no surprise I don't recall the scenery. Actually, I got a kick out of seeing the Team New Zealand building, that one I do recall.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:12

    I do not know of which building you speak.

    It's the green one. Between the crane and the building site.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:13

    I do not know of which building you speak.

    I'm guessing this is because neither of us were live commenting here the last time they were in Valencia. :D

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:14

    “The organisers of the Le Mans 24 Hours have thrown the door open for any of Formula 1’s manufacturers to compete in the French classic - and they have even been offered the chance to help shape future regulations.”

    Le Mans must seriously be hoping F1 self-destructs, then they can get LDM to announce Ferrari's move to Le Mans before he waves them off on Saturday...

    Where did you see this?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:14

    It's the green one. Between the crane and the building site.

    You won't miss it. It's a kind of green colour!

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:14

    I'm guessing this is because neither of us were live commenting here the last time they were in Valencia. :D

    I was at the pub, I remember drinking more that race than any other. I blame this for my memories. Seriously, who won it? Was it Massa? Who was on the podium?

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:14

    It's the green one. Between the crane and the building site.

    the only notable feature in acres and acres of industrial concrete.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:15

    Where did you see this?

    AUTOSPORT

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:15

    It’s the green one. Between the crane and the building site.

    there's a crane and a building site down the road from where i'm working now... :D

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:15

    the only notable feature in acres and acres of industrial concrete.

    Which was gray. And this building was a different colour...

    Green.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:15

    I was at the pub, I remember drinking more that race than any other. I blame this for my memories. Seriously, who won it? Was it Massa? Who was on the podium?

    i recall a bunch of people going nuts about the fia favouring ferrari.

    ahh, nostalgia.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:16

    ahh, nostalgia.

    #f1nostalgia?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:16

    I was at the pub, I remember drinking more that race than any other. I blame this for my memories. Seriously, who won it? Was it Massa? Who was on the podium?

    Yup, Massa from Hamilton and... was it Kubica? I remember Kimi's engine blowing itself to smithereens...

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:16

    Green.

    I found it!!

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/lovelygreenbuilding

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:16

    #f1nostalgia?

    ahh yes. must do that later :)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:16

    I found it!!

    Wow, that is green

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:16

    I found it!!

    I see what you mean when you say it's green

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:16
  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:17

    I found it!!

    Ah yes there it is!

    It's quite green!

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:17

    who paints a building green?

    Another view, a little less green, but still green:

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/djm0826jy991

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:17

    who paints a building green?

    my word.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:17

    who paints a building green?

    The same people who paint tyres green?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:17

    i recall a bunch of people going nuts about the fia favouring ferrari.

    ahh, nostalgia.

    has it been that long ago that you called them FIArrari? the times, they are a-changing, indeed. :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:17

    The same people who paint tyres green?

    ahh yes.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:18

    has it been that long ago that you called them FIArrari? the times, they are a-changing, indeed. :D

    i never did actually.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:20

    The same people who paint tyres green?

    perhaps this year they will be an even brighter green to help us see it clearer, but have no effect

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:20

    i never did actually.

    oh. maybe i should use 'they', then. i remember seeing FIArrari here once or twice...

    anyway, from the AUTOSPORT article on today's FIA-FOTA meeting:

    With the entry list for the 2010 championship due to be announced by the FIA tomorrow morning

    morning?! wow, they're early risers. if that's true, then it really has to be settled tonight, then, no matter how late...

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:20

    I have found the original comment as well:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/08/22/live-commenting-europe-free-practice-1/#comment-93461

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:20

    perhaps this year they will be an even brighter green to help us see it clearer, but have no effect

    this year, they'll only paint the sides.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:21

    morning?! wow, they're early risers. if that's true, then it really has to be settled tonight, then, no matter how late...

    agreed. unexpected, but appreciated all the same.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:21

    I have found the original comment as well:

    :)

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:23

    so it turns out there was a McLaren on the podium. I have no recollection of this. None. At. All.

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:24

    ooh and Heikki was 4th. You'd think this would have excited me at the time as he was "almost 3rd". Still don't remember this.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:24

    so it turns out there was a McLaren on the podium. I have no recollection of this. None. At. All.

    that's your brain's self defense mechanism.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:24

    so it turns out there was a McLaren on the podium. I have no recollection of this. None. At. All.

    I just watched the 'highlights' on F1.com and I remember 1 or 2 things like the Ferrari pitstop + driving almost into the force india... but that's it! The rest was like watching a new race.

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:24

    that's your brain's self defense mechanism.

    I am 4 minutes into an 11 minute recap and I'm already bored of concrete. This does not bode well for this year.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:25

    I just watched the 'highlights' on F1.com and I remember 1 or 2 things like the Ferrari pitstop + driving almost into the force india... but that's it! The rest was like watching a new race.

    Did you notice any strangely coloured buildings?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:25

    ooh and Heikki was 4th. You’d think this would have excited me at the time as he was “almost 3rd”. Still don’t remember this.

    maybe you were disappointed that he could only manage 4th the race after his first F1 win?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:26

    You are all very brave. I remember none of it, and do not wish to inflict it upon myself either.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:26

    I am 4 minutes into an 11 minute recap and I'm already bored of concrete. This does not bode well for this year.

    You never know...it might be a good rac....oh no it wont will it, we're screwed

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:26

    maybe you were disappointed that he could only manage 4th the race after his first F1 win?

    this is possible. If only I had realised earlier that being a Heikki fan is constant disappointment.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:27

    You are all very brave. I remember none of it, and do not wish to inflict it upon myself either.

    the problem we have, is we already named all the corners :(

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:27

    the problem we have, is we already named all the corners :(

    Very true. Maybe we could name the cranes too.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:28

    Very true. Maybe we could name the cranes too.

    :)

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:28

    this is possible. If only I had realised earlier that being a Heikki fan is constant disappointment.

    i'm surprised his first race didn't tell you that...

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:29

    i'm surprised his first race didn't tell you that...

    wasn't that his brother?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 13:30

    Very true. Maybe we could name the cranes too.

    try naming the yachts? have you given the bridge and your green building a name?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:30

    try naming the yachts? have you given the bridge and your green building a name?

    All 2 of the yachts? ;)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:31

    In iTunes there is a graphical equalizer bit at the top now where the track name and time remaining used to be. I know I must have stupidly changed a setting somewhere. How can I change it back? Any ideas?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:31

    what about giving the corners surnames?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:31

    All 2 of the yachts? ;)

    The supertankers then ;)

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:31

    In iTunes there is a graphical equalizer bit at the top now where the track name and time remaining used to be. I know I must have stupidly changed a setting somewhere. How can I change it back? Any ideas?

    Should be a little thing arrow to the right of it, click that :P

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:31

    AUTOSPORT have given some Le Mans drivers each a camera, so they've got photos they've taken. They're really good (except Alex Wurz boo @ him)

    http://lemans.autosport.com/snaps/

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:32

    what about giving the corners surnames?

    :)

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:32

    Should be a little thing arrow to the right of it, click that :P

    Oops, it's on the left even. Must remember my rights and lefts.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:33

    AUTOSPORT have given some Le Mans drivers each a camera, so they've got photos they've taken. They're really good (except Alex Wurz boo @ him)

    Don't boo him. He is my best chance of seeing a picture of Franck over there.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:33

    AUTOSPORT have given some Le Mans drivers each a camera, so they've got photos they've taken. They're really good (except Alex Wurz boo @ him)

    :o

    how dare you

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:33

    Don't boo him. He is my best chance of seeing a picture of Franck over there.

    I only boo him because he hasnt taken any pictures, the other 2 drivers have lots!

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:34

    I think the trick is to have a sunny day. Even the sky was the same colour as the track.

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/vlcsnap-1115313-png

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:34

    I only boo him because he hasnt taken any pictures, the other 2 drivers have lots!

    That's a good point. Where are my pictures of Franck? Booo!

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:35

    Should be a little thing arrow to the right of it, click that :P

    Cool thanks! That is the worst bit of Apple design I think I've ever seen. It's not obvious at all and it doesn't change state once you've clicked it!

    Rubbish!

    But thank you :)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:35

    That's a good point. Where are my pictures of Franck? Booo!

    I knew you'd see the light :D

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:36

    I think the trick is to have a sunny day. Even the sky was the same colour as the track.

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/vlcsnap-1115313-png

    *shudders* MAybe they should go with a nautical theme or something and paint waves on the concrete. Anything would be better... even some youfs with canz

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:36

    *shudders* MAybe they should go with a nautical theme or something and paint waves on the concrete. Anything would be better... even some youfs with canz

    green stripes on the concrete?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:37

    *shudders* MAybe they should go with a nautical theme or something and paint waves on the concrete. Anything would be better... even some youfs with canz

    Like the building maybe they should paint the whole track green. That'd keep everyone happy.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:37

    Cool thanks! That is the worst bit of Apple design I think I've ever seen. It's not obvious at all and it doesn't change state once you've clicked it!

    I mean it doesn't even have a tool tip!

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:37

    green stripes on the concrete?

    Kimi knows how to make it look better. Lets follow the whole race from his onboard (I don't remember this happening either)

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/vlcsnap-1118546-png

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:38

    *shudders* MAybe they should go with a nautical theme or something and paint waves on the concrete. Anything would be better... even some youfs with canz

    I like the nautical theme. All of the drivers would have to have a beard for the weekend and smoke pipes and wear galoshes instead of their usual suits.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:38

    green stripes on the concrete?

    Stimpes migh make the driver a little dizzy...

    On second thought that might make something happen!

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:39

    Kimi knows how to make it look better. Lets follow the whole race from his onboard (I don't remember this happening either)

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/vlcsnap-1118546-png

    That would be the smoke from his engine exploding....

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:39

    Stimpes migh make the driver a little dizzy...

    last year the corners confused alonso. he forget which was which.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:39

    I like the nautical theme. All of the drivers would have to have a beard for the weekend and smoke pipes and wear galoshes instead of their usual suits.

    Haha, also they should replace their steering wheel with a big old ship wheel, and have to race in a standing posoition

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:39

    That would be the smoke from his engine exploding....

    but I can't see the track so I like it.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:39

    That would be the smoke from his engine exploding....

    but I can't see the track so I like it.

    i think you have your prioritys alll mixed up ;)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:40

    last year the corners confused alonso. he forget which was which.

    Me too.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:40

    Haha, also they should replace their steering wheel with a big old ship wheel, and have to race in a standing posoition

    Yes!

    And they have to bring their race engineer with them who shovels coal into and boiler. And smoke comes out of a stovepipe!

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:40

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76013

    :)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:40

    last year the corners confused alonso. he forget which was which.

    If that's not a sign of a bad circuit i don't know what is....

    (but i blame the eyebrows for impeding his vision)

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:41

    Don't boo him. He is my best chance of seeing a picture of Franck over there.

    Apart from buried into a barrier. ;)

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:41

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76013

    :)

    so that's what you do for a living.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:42

    so that's what you do for a living.

    At this precise moment - I'm considering going shopping.

    My work life is that busy. :D

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 13:43

    Don't boo him. He is my best chance of seeing a picture of Franck over there.

    I watched the 2008 highlights before. Some lovely in car shots of his leg, as mentioned in last years live thread.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:45

    Apart from buried into a barrier. ;)

    WHAT??

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:45

    I watched the 2008 highlights before. Some lovely in car shots of his leg, as mentioned in last years live thread.

    A leg and a glove is pretty much all I saw of Franck last year. That's enough though :)

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:46

    WHAT??

    When he stuffs it they'll show some nice close ups for you.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:47

    When he stuffs it they'll show some nice close ups for you.

    christine... the man clearly hasn't read the newbie's guide?

    noob!

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:47

    When he stuffs it they'll show some nice close ups for you.

    You are SO on the naughty step

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:47

    christine... the man clearly hasn't read the newbie's guide?

    I have - and I have no fear. :D

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:48

    noob!

    :D

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:50

    You are SO on the naughty step

    The naughty step is too good for Flibster.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 13:50

    The naughty step is too good for Flibster.

    :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:50

    The naughty step is too good for Flibster.

    mod queue?

  • James11/06/2009 at 13:50

    A memorial to Formula One racing driver Tom Pryce, killed on the track in 1977, is to be unveiled in his home town of Ruthin, Denbighshire.

    From the BBC

    So who remembers him? :)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:50

    noob!

    Noob went in the dictionary earlier this week. They went for n00b as the official spelling.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:50

    You are SO on the naughty step

    Mr C got to get of it when i went on, does this mean i am allowed off now? :)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:51

    The naughty step is too good for Flibster.

    The naughty bucket?

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:51

    Noob went in the dictionary earlier this week. They went for n00b as the official spelling.

    ahh, sorry yes. like w00t! apologies.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:51

    Noob went in the dictionary earlier this week. They went for n00b as the official spelling.

    Did they put 'pwnd' in or is it just an alternate spelling?

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:52

    Did they put 'pwnd' in or is it just an alternate spelling?

    means something different?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 13:52

    ahh, sorry yes. like w00t! apologies.

    Not being critical I thought it was interesting. I didn't know they would let numbers in like that. But then the millionth word in the english language (according to the OED this all is) is "Web 2.0" which isn't a word - it's a phrase.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 13:54

    Not being critical I thought it was interesting. I didn't know they would let numbers in like that. But then the millionth word in the english language (according to the OED this all is) is "Web 2.0" which isn't a word - it's a phrase.

    I told someone about that this morning.

    Their responce - Numpties!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:54

    means something different?

    True but its a corruption more than a new word

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:55

    Mr C got to get of it when i went on, does this mean i am allowed off now? :)

    I thought Steven Roy let you off during his brief time in charge?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:55

    I thought Steven Roy let you off during his brief time in charge?

    w00t!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 13:57

    Sorry, im going to deviate from f1, but something just struck me, the right to register Ronaldo was just sold for £80million.

    You can buy the entire Newcastle, team, club and stadium forjust £20 million more @ £100 million.

    Mental.

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 13:58

    Sorry, im going to deviate from f1, but something just struck me, the right to register Ronaldo was just sold for £80million.

    + 60million wages... shocking.

  • me11/06/2009 at 13:58

    + 60million wages... shocking.

    little winker.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 13:59

    little winker.

    Eeeeehehe.

  • James11/06/2009 at 14:00

    Has this been mentioned?

    FOTA could be in for a shock as another two members, Red Bull and Toro Rosso, have reportedly signed up unconditionally for next year's Championship.

    ...

    '(Bernie) Ecclestone has Red Bull, Toro Rosso, plus Williams and Force India who have entered the Championship, signed until 2012,' claims the Daily Express.

    http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5373971,00.html

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:02

    Has this been mentioned?

    It came from the express, i don't think its reliable enough without another source.

  • Amy11/06/2009 at 14:02

    Sorry, im going to deviate from f1, but something just struck me, the right to register Ronaldo was just sold for £80million.

    Ronaldo to buy F1 team? ;)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:04

    Ronaldo to buy F1 team? ;)

    Unfortunately he doesn't get the money, but Man Utd could.... Although Newcastle were the last team to go racing and.. well...

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 14:05

    Ronaldo to buy F1 team? ;)

    I can see the races now, someone touches the side of the car slightly, and the car spins out and all 4 wheels fall off. And the rear wing shatters.

    And the streeting wheel jumps out.

    It would be the most overdramatic team ever. Imagine if they got penalised! Diving pit crew!

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 14:05

    And the streeting wheel jumps out.

    *steering

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:06

    And the streeting wheel jumps out.

    It would be the most overdramatic team ever. Imagine if they got penalised! Diving pit crew!

    Unnamed laughter powered aircraft at full speed

  • me11/06/2009 at 14:07

    Imagine if they got penalised! Diving pit crew!

    i think f1 is missing some of that.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:07

    Isn't Joe in a cheery mood about the state of F1 at the moment...

    http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/the-only-question-that-matters-in-f1/

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 14:11

    Unnamed laughter powered aircraft at full speed

    Can I just say, that is pretty much as annoying as saying the unmentionable in the first place? :)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:14

    Can I just say, that is pretty much as annoying as saying the unmentionable in the first place? :)

    8O oops

    Could try ULPA?

    how about

    Hardeyharharhar!

  • James11/06/2009 at 14:14

    Renault’s CEO Carlos Ghosn has launched a blunt attack on the way Formula 1’s commercial rewards are distributed – and called for the teams to “take back control” of the sport.

    http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=46108

    I can honestly say I've never heard of him before. :D

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 14:15

    I like this picture:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/5478427/Turkish-GP-F1-diary-photo-gallery.html?image=4

  • James11/06/2009 at 14:16

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/5478427/Turkish-GP-F1-diary-photo-gallery.html?image=4

    Nelson going off in quali makes sense now, he was aiming for the helicopter :D

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:17

    I like this picture:

    looks like they are racing,

    I remember when i used to watch class 1 powerboats, the helicopters could never keep up with them on the straights!

  • me11/06/2009 at 14:17

    I can honestly say I've never heard of him before. :D

    we talked about him on the last aside with joe. he's the costcutter.

  • James11/06/2009 at 14:19

    we talked about him on the last aside with joe. he's the costcutter.

    Ah right, but then Renault in general seem to want costs cut.

    This is how KERS should have worked: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/5478427/Turkish-GP-F1-diary-photo-gallery.html?image=5

    We can see it working :P

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:19

    we talked about him on the last aside with joe. he's the costcutter.

    For some reason i have an overwhelming urge to call him the cookiecutter.

  • me11/06/2009 at 14:20

    For some reason i have an overwhelming urge to call him the cookiecutter.

    :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 14:21
  • Amy11/06/2009 at 14:22

    hmm I should probably go to bed, I don't want to be late for work 2 days in a row :D

    night all

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:23

    For some reason i have an overwhelming urge to call him the cookiecutter.

    now ive gotten myself addicted to saying out loud. coo-kie-cut-ter

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:23

    hmm I should probably go to bed, I don't want to be late for work 2 days in a row :D

    night all

    Night Amy, Murray is winning if that helps you get to sleep :P

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 14:42

    Isn't Joe in a cheery mood about the state of F1 at the moment...

    Ugh. He's taken out my optimism. Can the FIA and FOTA prove him wrong, however? After all, Joe himself said that their positions aren't really too far apart...

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 14:57

    Awfully quiet round here...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 14:58

    Awfully quiet round here...

    Shhh

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 15:00

    Awfully quiet round here...

    That is allowed, you know.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:00

    Awfully quiet round here...

    I think its an unholy combination of people actually doing work, or being tempted into the outdoors by the sun

  • me11/06/2009 at 15:01

    That is allowed, you know.

    i was enjoying the peace.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:01

    That is allowed, you know.

    I wasn't saying it isn't, it's just that it rarely happens... ;)

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 15:01

    Awfully quiet round here...

    *points at xbox*

    his fault i'm quiet!

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 15:02

    I think its an unholy combination of people actually doing work, or being tempted into the outdoors by the sun

    One has to work to keep Sidepodcast in the manner to which it has become accustomed.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:03

    BTW, RBR (and by extension STR) have denied that they have signed up unconditionally for 2010. But apparently, they have a similar agreement to that of FI, Ferrari, and Williams, so they may be placed on the entry list anyway...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:03

    One has to work to keep Sidepodcast in the manner to which it has become accustomed.

    Hehe, until the IPO...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:04

    BTW, RBR (and by extension STR) have denied that they have signed up unconditionally for 2010. But apparently, they have a similar agreement to that of FI, Ferrari, and Williams, so they may be placed on the entry list anyway...

    That just leaves Mclaren, Brawn, and the teams which are leaving :D

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:05

    That just leaves Mclaren, Brawn, and the teams which are leaving :D

    I wouldn't be surprised if Max decides to give the champions-elect a free spot as well. That would leave McLaren, Renault, BMW, and Toyota.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:07

    I wouldn't be surprised if Max decides to give the champions-elect a free spot as well. That would leave McLaren, Renault, BMW, and Toyota.

    Its not that they want a spot, they will all be arguing to be kept out next week!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:08

    Its not that they want a spot, they will all be arguing to be kept out next week!

    True, true. All or nothing.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:09

    I do feel sorry for people like peter Windsor today though, they have probably put a lot of effort into making a submission, not only do they not know if they are in, but if there will be anyone to race if they are in...

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 15:16

    Ewwwwwwww. I have just found out there were Vanilla flavoured Monster Munch!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:17

    What time does Le Mans quali start?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 15:18

    Watching a Zandvoort track guide with Renger Van Der Zande

    "Try to destroy your Formula 3 car here and you will be the quickest...."

    hmm

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 15:19

    What time does Le Mans quali start?

    6pm

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:19

    6pm

    Your time? I see... Just got a bit confused since the RLM website has it as 5 PM. I don't know if that was Le Mans time or BST.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 15:20

    Your time? I see... Just got a bit confused since the RLM website has it as 5 PM. I don't know if that was Le Mans time or BST.

    5pm Build up and 6pm Quali live according to RLM

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:21

    5pm Build up and 6pm Quali live according to RLM

    I see. Alrighty. ;) I wonder what time it'll start on Eurosport, though. 6, I guess.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 15:22

    I see. Alrighty. ;) I wonder what time it'll start on Eurosport, though. 6, I guess.

    It'll have some sort of build up i'd think, 5.30 maybe? 5.45. not sure

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:28

    Brawn are the 5th most successful team on the f1 grid at the moment.

    Jus saying...

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 15:29

    Brawn are the 5th most successful team on the f1 grid at the moment.

    Haha, that dosent say much about the other teams does it ;)

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 15:29

    official le mans website

    and if we're lucky, the feed will be here like yesterday

    Eurosport tv guide

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 15:31

    Eurosport tv guide

    it says 8pm GMT, for action, with 10 minutes build up before it.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:32

    Brawn are the 5th most successful team on the f1 grid at the moment.

    all-time? just behind ferrari, mclaren, williams, and benetton/renault...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:34

    all-time? just behind ferrari, mclaren, williams, and benetton/renault...

    I just went by the current teams. But i think it holds for the previous iterations of the current teams too...

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 15:34
  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:34

    http://www.formula1.com/video/onboard.html

    Turkey onboard is up - and it's from Kimi Raikkonen.

    Race edit should be out momentarily.

  • me11/06/2009 at 15:39

    Turkey onboard is up - and it's from Kimi Raikkonen.

    cheers sir.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 15:39

    Turkey onboard is up - and it's from Kimi Raikkonen.

    i guess they're getting sick of seeing "Button Button Button" like i was ;)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:42

    on Murray's latest blog they show a shot of Flavs yacht at 3:56ish I haven't seen that before, and had no idea it was that big! I thought they were on the ground level!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/murraywalker/2009/06/my_turkish_grand_prix_moments.html

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:42

    i guess they're getting sick of seeing "Button Button Button" like i was ;)

    Heh. Or Vettel...

    Kimi's lap is good to see where he used the KERS. He used it before he even crossed the line to start his flying lap. He used majority of it at the exit of Turn 9/10, but he left a little for the final run to the line...

  • me11/06/2009 at 15:44

    Kimi's lap is good to see where he used the KERS. He used it before he even crossed the line to start his flying lap. He used majority of it at the exit of Turn 9/10, but he left a little for the final run to the line...

    surprised he used on the downhill exit of t1 though?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:46

    surprised he used on the downhill exit of t1 though?

    *replays the vid*

    would you look at that, he did use a bit of it. maybe it's because that was a downhill bit, so he wanted to maximize whatever boost he'd get from the downslope?

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 15:49

    would you look at that, he did use a bit of it. maybe it's because that was a downhill bit, so he wanted to maximize whatever boost he'd get from the downslope?

    great to see KERS! i was a little surprised too that he used it then. he seemed more focused on using KERS out of the last corner than getting a smooth entry - seemed a little ?stunted?

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 15:52

    on Murray's latest blog they show a shot of Flavs yacht at 3:56ish I haven't seen that before, and had no idea it was that big! I thought they were on the ground level!

    i love "Not available in your region" but then they give a special link at the bottom for non-uk people. hurrah!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:58

    Watching the on board of Silverstone... I didnt realise how much of the track was absolute high speed corners. And how old it looks. Red bull should win this one although people have been saying that for a while.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 15:58

    i love "Not available in your region" but then they give a special link at the bottom for non-uk people. hurrah!

    Perhaps that's without the FOM footage?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 15:59

    Watching the on board of Silverstone... I didnt realise how much of the track was absolute high speed corners. And how old it looks. Red bull should win this one although people have been saying that for a while.

    They have the car to win it - but it's Button who's feeling right at home. I'd still give Jenson the nod, if only because he's on a tear right now...

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:00

    Perhaps that's without the FOM footage?

    yeah it has a fair few photos. i didn't get Flavio's boat either - wasn't watching fully but apart from murray, it seems a slideshow.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:04

    yeah it has a fair few photos. i didn't get Flavio's boat either - wasn't watching fully but apart from murray, it seems a slideshow.

    I guess they are being really careful, but the boat shot was BBC, not FOM

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 16:05

    Awwww man... in the Henri Lloyd shops in Manchester and Liverpool next week, there's gonna be a Brawn GP showcar :(

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:07

    Awwww man... in the Henri Lloyd shops in Manchester and Liverpool next week, there's gonna be a Brawn GP showcar :(

    And thats a bad thing?

    Ok the one in Liverpool will probably get nicked, but wouldn't mind seeing the Manchester one...

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 16:08

    And thats a bad thing?

    Yes! I wanna go see it! :P

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:08

    I guess they are being really careful, but the boat shot was BBC, not FOM

    they legally have to be. sad but true. when i watched the bbc world service (here in italy) the sport reports were so annoying because all you got was still photos most of the time. i caught cnn this morning and it was so nice for me to see english language sport coverage with film. don't take it for granted people :)

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:08

    This must be the most racing-packed non-F1 weekend of the year:

    Le Mans 24 Hours

    WRC Rally Acropolis

    F3 Masters at Zandvoort

    Something for everyone.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 16:10

    Something for everyone.

    BTCC at Croft, which I hopefully shall be going to.

    Hey everybody

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:11

    Hello RG.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:12

    Hello RG.

    Hello RG.

    are you guys the same person? ;)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:12

    Hey everybody

    Evening Mr Garross!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:12

    are you guys the same person? ;)

    not this again... :P

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:12

    are you guys the same person? ;)

    Please dont, that was so confusing to read though at 1am!

  • RG11/06/2009 at 16:13

    Evening Mr Garross!

    Grrrrr.

    are you guys the same person? ;)

    Not that again, I don't think I've recovered yet

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:13

    Please dont, that was so confusing to read though at 1am!

    :D

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:13

    Grrrrr.

    Isn't Garros single s? :D

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:14

    Please dont, that was so confusing to read though at 1am!

    it was confusing when i wrote it ;) apologies. i was in a strange mood. nothing too abnormal there ;)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:14

    Isn't Garros single s? :D

    Ah, tis :)

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:15

    Erg - the RLM audio stream doesn't wanna work. It was doing fine yesterday...

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 16:16

    Erg - the RLM audio stream doesn't wanna work. It was doing fine yesterday...

    works for meee

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:17

    (from f1live.com)He [Mosley] also confirmed speculation that another highly-paid employee per team, for example Red Bull's car designer Adrian Newey, can be left outside the cap. so what will be under the cap?

    I just realised I'm going to away from the net for a fair amount of tomorrow. how annoying. might sign up for an sms service....

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:18

    I just realised I'm going to away from the net for a fair amount of tomorrow. how annoying. might sign up for an sms service....

    Doohickey works for the iPhone and iPod Touch... otherwise, yup, you'll have to make do with an SMS service.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:20

    in non f1 news - the influenza is officially a pandemic. feels kind of cool to be part of one of these. normally the worst viruses i've seen are on a computer. we're going retro.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:20

    (from f1live.com)He [Mosley] also confirmed speculation that another highly-paid employee per team, for example Red Bull's car designer Adrian Newey, can be left outside the cap. so what will be under the cap?

    I just realised I'm going to away from the net for a fair amount of tomorrow. how annoying. might sign up for an sms service....

    SidepodSMS?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:20

    in non f1 news - the influenza is officially a pandemic. feels kind of cool to be part of one of these. normally the worst viruses i've seen are on a computer. we're going retro.

    first pandemic in 40+ years. i think this isn't as bad as the last one, though.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:20

    in non f1 news - the influenza is officially a pandemic. feels kind of cool to be part of one of these. normally the worst viruses i've seen are on a computer. we're going retro.

    It will never win, Madagascar shut its port a long time ago.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:21

    Doohickey works for the iPhone and iPod Touch... otherwise, yup, you'll have to make do with an SMS service.

    i'm waiting till i get near the us before buying anything electrical. i've lived without my ipod for a month or two, and i'll need a new phone....might get me one of these new toys...

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 16:22

    It will never win, Madagascar shut its port a long time ago.

    Shut.

    Down.

    EVERYTHING!

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:22

    SidepodSMS?

    for italy, i struggled to find an f1 fan around my work. really disappointing. but now i know a couple of f1 fans who i can message when the races are on over the supremacy of white on red.

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 16:22

    Morning/Afternoon anyone.

    So since the entry list is coming tommorow, do we want to play a guessing game of who is going to be on that list?

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:22

    first pandemic in 40+ years. i think this isn't as bad as the last one, though.

    not yet ;)

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 16:23

    So since the entry list is coming tommorow, do we want to play a guessing game of who is going to be on that list?

    as far as I know, there is no schedule for when it will appear.

    guessing game? depends if there was a meeting today or not - really hard to find anything about if a few team bosses met today or not.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:25

    Too addictive, and eating up my productivity

    http://www.mousebreaker.com/games/topspinner2020/playgame

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 16:36

    I'm up for a guess

    1. Force India

    2. Williams

    3. Prodrive

    4. USF1

    5. Brabham

    6. Lotus

    7. March

    8. Superfund

    9. Rahal

    10. Ferrari*

    11. Red Bull*

    12. Torro Rosso*

    13. McLaren**

    * Unconditional entries from these teams are assumed due to prior contracts

    ** McLaren enter without conditions, but without suspending their FOTA entry somehow due to a mix up between what they've said to everyone.

    Leaving Renault to buy out Lotus or March for Briatore to run without their name on it (a la Honda Brawn). Brabham could be the spot Bernie has saved for Brawn. Toyota and BMW leave with nothing.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:38

    Rahal made an entry? And where's Lola?

    Toyota and BMW leave with nothing.

    Am a bit surprised they'd be left empty-handed, but I wonder how they'd react if this was indeed what happened...

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 16:39

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

    Channel is on, but it's not Le Mans yet...

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 16:39

    Rahal made an entry? And where's Lola?

    Ah I was struggling at that point. I'll change to Lola instead of Rahal. There were rumours of a Rahal entry but nothing announced.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 16:40

    Am a bit surprised they'd be left empty-handed, but I wonder how they'd react if this was indeed what happened...

    There is a weird thing where many of the people the FIA didn't contract to stay in F1 BMW, Renault, Toyota happen to be the people most likely to not want to continue funding it. that was my thought.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 16:58

    England x Cricket = FAIL

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:01

    England x Cricket = FAIL

    no disagreement there ;)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:02

    England x Cricket = FAIL

    England x Any sport (Except Cycling) = FAIL

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:02

    I'm up for a guess

    go on then:

    1. williams

    2. fif1

    3. brawngp

    4. red bull

    5. usf1

    6. mclaren

    7. prodrive

    8. flav's team

    9. lola

    10. someone who will buy str (maybe carlos slim?)

    i'm guessing all the others will fail due-dilligence.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:03

    England x Any sport (Except Cycling) = FAIL

    England x Any sport (Except Cycling with Cavendish) = FAIL

    are there others?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:03

    i'm guessing all the others will fail due-dilligence.

    why not go all the way to 13?

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:03

    England x Any sport (Except Cycling with Cavendish) = FAIL

    are there others?

    we must be good at darts?

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:04

    why not go all the way to 13?

    because i think the rest are full of... wind.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:04

    we must be good at darts?

    Its a sport?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 17:04

    why not go all the way to 13?

    go up to thirteen?!!!

    man you're crazy

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:04

    go up to thirteen?!!!

    :D :P

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:04

    Its a sport?

    anything that can be played inside a pub is a game not a sport ;) (start the debate)

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:05

    Its a sport?

    more than f1 is.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:05

    because i think the rest are full of... wind.

    so you're skipping the manufacturers on purpose, even ferrari?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:05

    England x Any sport (Except Cycling with Cavendish) = FAIL

    are there others?

    haha, and the other cyclists, we OWN cycling

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:06

    so you're skipping the manufacturers on purpose, even ferrari?

    dan asked who'd be on the list. that's my guess as to who'll be on it tomorrow.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:06

    haha, and the other cyclists, we OWN cycling

    i don't follow a lot of cycling, although i did get to see to the giro ;)

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:06

    dan asked who'd be on the list. that's my guess as to who'll be on it tomorrow.

    i think ferrari will be on it tomorrow, whether they like it or not. mclaren, on the other hand, may not...

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:07

    dan asked who'd be on the list. that's my guess as to who'll be on it tomorrow.

    i'm pretty sure there is no set time for tomorrow's release but has anyone else heard anything?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:07

    i don't follow a lot of cycling, although i did get to see to the giro ;)

    Track cycling we are AMAZING at. Road cycling we're ok at, tour de france....not so good

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:07

    more than f1 is.

    At least their is some variety of location and procedure in F1

    Hmmm...:idea:

    Darts is the British equivalent of NASCAR!

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:07

    i think ferrari will be on it tomorrow, whether they like it or not. mclaren, on the other hand, may not...

    i think if max can't have his way, he'll go for shock and awe instead.

    no ferrari, no major motor manufacturer.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:07

    i'm pretty sure there is no set time for tomorrow's release but has anyone else heard anything?

    AUTOSPORT said it'll be released in the morning.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:08

    Hmmm...:idea:

    Darts is the British equivalent of NASCAR!

    All I can say is A HUNDRED AND EIGHTY

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 17:08

    Track cycling we are AMAZING at. Road cycling we're ok at, tour de france....not so good

    what about nicole cooke? I only know because she comes from my hometown and they always seem to mention her road cycling stuff on the news :D

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:08

    All I can say is A HUNDRED AND EIGHTY

    :D

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:08

    AUTOSPORT said it'll be released in the morning.

    aah. missed that ;) thanks.-

  • RG11/06/2009 at 17:08

    Darts is the British equivalent of NASCAR!

    It is not.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:09

    what about nicole cooke? I only know because she comes from my hometown and they always seem to mention her road cycling stuff on the news :D

    Yeah, she's ok. Road cycling isn't our strong point, but i think she won the olympic road cycling

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:09

    Darts is the British equivalent of NASCAR!

    because montoya would be good at it?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:09

    no ferrari, no major motor manufacturer.

    I think there's more chance of Ferrari being on the list than McLaren.

    Because while I agree Max might go for your method if he does then McLaren won't worry about being left behind as much. Whereas I think McLaren are basically saying, "where Ferrari is we are"

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:09

    It is not.

    Agreed, it's not that bad

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:09

    because montoya would be good at it?

    :)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:10

    It is not.

    :D Any supporting evidence?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 17:10

    because montoya would be good at it?

    oh he;d fit in wonderfully

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:10

    because montoya would be good at it?

    :lol:

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:10

    Because while I agree Max might go for your method if he does then McLaren won't worry about being left behind as much. Whereas I think McLaren are basically saying, "where Ferrari is we are"

    tis true. but how major a name is mclaren to the general public?

    renault, toyota, ferrari and bmw are surely a bigger headline?

  • RG11/06/2009 at 17:11

    :D Any supporting evidence?

    The commenatator is awesome for a start. Then you got the personalities and the action.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:11

    The commenatator is awesome for a start. Then you got the personalities and the action.

    Are you talking about Darts or NASCAR?

  • RG11/06/2009 at 17:12

    Are you talking about Darts or NASCAR?

    Darts

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:15

    renault, toyota, ferrari and bmw are surely a bigger headline?

    Mercedes - Is the big bit.

    However... The key part of the negotiation is on the one hand

    McLaren really don't do anything else. I know they do more than Williams but honestly?

    and

    Max wants those Mercedes engines.

  • Scott in Italy11/06/2009 at 17:16

    i'm heading off folks. have a great night/morning. enjoy le mans and see you tomorrow for an interesting day.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:17

    Also I don't think Brawn can be on a list that doesn't include the manufactuers. Max has contracts that say certain of them have essentially entered and he may massage them in. But Brawn haven't.

    And Brawn is in part being bankrolled by the other manufacturers.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:18

    Darts

    hehe, Ok but the more i think about it, the more my theory makes sense :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:21

    Max wants those Mercedes engines.

    i agree. which is why i think mclaren will be on the list.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:22

    i agree. which is why i think mclaren will be on the list.

    But they don't want to be on the list!

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:22

    And Brawn is in part being bankrolled by the other manufacturers.

    but brawn are the model team for max's cost cutting plans.

    and ross' bound to have a plan b), c) and d).

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:22

    i agree. which is why i think mclaren will be on the list.

    Who's going to pay the €50 fine?

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:22

    Who's going to pay the €50 fine?

    what fine?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:23

    but brawn are the model team for max's cost cutting plans.

    Yes. I think he does have one... That's why on my list I guessed Brabham or somebody was a dummy team for Brawn.

    That's my guess. He's in both ways. But the other team will be on the list tomorrow.

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:24

    That's my guess. He's in both ways. But the other team will be on the list tomorrow.

    fair point.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:24

    what fine?

    According to several sources the manufacters have signed an agreement saying they won't break from FOTA. And that if they do they'll have to pay the other members €50m

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:25

    According to several sources the manufacters have signed an agreement saying they won't break from FOTA. And that if they do they'll have to pay the other members €50m

    i read somewhere, that the agreement was voided because it's illegal under EU monopoly rules? may not be correct though.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:27

    i read somewhere, that the agreement was voided because it's illegal under EU monopoly rules? may not be correct though.

    It would have to go to court, I think it would be very difficult for an outside party to prove it was void, but it might also be very difficult for the remaining teams to enforce it through the courts, unless they have already paid into a bond or something.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:27

    i read somewhere, that the agreement was voided because it's illegal under EU monopoly rules? may not be correct though.

    Max warned that he was going to refer them to the monopoly rules. Jon from Toyota said that they had already made sure their agreement was within those rules and that one of the teams had gone as far as to ask the EU if it was ok (it was)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:29

    Max warned that he was going to refer them to the monopoly rules. Jon from Toyota said that they had already made sure their agreement was within those rules and that one of the teams had gone as far as to ask the EU if it was ok (it was)

    Here we are:

    "I have to say it's been checked by the lawyers of the teams, by the lawyers of the manufacturers, who are dealing on a daily business with EU competition legislation on anti-trust. I have also been advised that the EU competition department was consulted by one party. So I'm fairly sure that there is no issue."

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75963

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:32

    Max warned that he was going to refer them to the monopoly rules. Jon from Toyota said that they had already made sure their agreement was within those rules and that one of the teams had gone as far as to ask the EU if it was ok (it was)

    He's John ;)

    I shall not share my name with anyone ;)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:34

    He's John ;)

    Sorry that was a typo. Of course you are the only Jon!

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:35

    Sorry that was a typo. Of course you are the only Jon!

    :D

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:36

    haha, FakeMartinB has used Piquet in his sentance...

    "A small chance of a wet British GP, lets hope Kimi and Felipe baby don't have another Piquet of a race"

    Sidepodwatcher? I think so

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:36

    There's only one Jon Waldock! There's only one Jon!

    There's only one Jon Waldock! There's only one Jon!

    There's only one Jon Waldock! There's only one Jon!

    ;)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:37

    There's only one Jon Waldock! There's only one Jon!

    There's only one Jon Waldock! There's only one Jon!

    There's only one Jon Waldock! There's only one Jon!

    :D

    it brings all my school days back, i had my own chants and everything :)

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:42

    Max warned that he was going to refer them to the monopoly rules. Jon from Toyota said that they had already made sure their agreement was within those rules and that one of the teams had gone as far as to ask the EU if it was ok (it was)

    ahh cool.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 17:43

    it brings all my school days back, i had my own chants and everything :)

    So I'm not the only one then

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:48

    I think max has 3 options if no agrement is made tonight.

    1)Nuclear: No FOTA teams

    2)Divisive: Pick FOTA teams who have agreements + reserve a spot for championship team

    3)Compromising: Admit FOTA subject to a future agreement (e.g. By the end of the month)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:48

    So I'm not the only one then

    i had many :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:50

    3)Compromising: Admit FOTA subject to a future agreement (e.g. By the end of the month)

    ooh, he likes his deadlines.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:51

    I didn't know Franck's Number 8 is on provisional pole... Well, I do know. ;)

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 17:52

    3)Compromising: Admit FOTA subject to a future agreement (e.g. By the end of the month)

    ooh, he likes his deadlines.

    Actually this is quite likely... He's been "saying all long" (read since last week) that there isn't time to get the Concorde agreement signed.

    So say it's subject to the concord agreement coming in in a month.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:53

    I didn't know Franck's Number 8 is on provisional pole... Well, I do know. ;)

    There is aloooooooooong way to go with quali

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:53

    So say it's subject to the concord agreement coming in in a month.

    ANOTHER deadline? Will it never end? :(

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 17:53

    There is aloooooooooong way to go with quali

    Indeed, but still, at least we know they have the pace. :D

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 17:55

    Indeed, but still, at least we know they have the pace. :D

    They're usually faster over 1 lap, but less reliable and less good in the pits.

    Audi are slower, but still flipping quick, and very reliable and very good in the pits.

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:56

    are we keeping track of SC at le mans? just spotted this one:

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76024

    no franck news as yet though.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:58

    are we keeping track of SC at le mans? just spotted this one:

    Safety Car? Is Bruno Driving it?

  • me11/06/2009 at 17:58

    Safety Car? Is Bruno Driving it?

    stuart c. sorry.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 17:58

    stuart c. sorry.

    lol!

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 17:59

    stuart c. sorry.

    The other Mr C.

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:00

    The other Mr C.

    doesn't that make you the other mrs. c. too?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:02

    doesn't that make you the other mrs. c. too?

    I dunno. He calls his Mrs C, Mrs C, which makes him a Mr C.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:04

    I dunno. He calls his Mrs C, Mrs C, which makes him a Mr C.

    Yeah the other Mr C's Mrs C is the other Mrs C. Our Mrs C is Christine. And you, Mr C, are our Mr C. :)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:04

    Lou found this...

    http://transmission.blogs.topgear.com/2009/06/11/series-13-preview-one-for-the-boys-and-girls/

    TG back next sunday

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 18:05

    Yeah the other Mr C's Mrs C is the other Mrs C. Our Mrs C is Christine. And you, Mr C, are our Mr C. :)

    That took a while for me to get. :P

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:05

    Yeah the other Mr C's Mrs C is the other Mrs C. Our Mrs C is Christine. And you, Mr C, are our Mr C. :)

    That's what I thought, yea :)

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:05

    Yeah the other Mr C's Mrs C is the other Mrs C. Our Mrs C is Christine. And you, Mr C, are our Mr C. :)

    so many c's :(

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:05

    Yeah the other Mr C's Mrs C is the other Mrs C. Our Mrs C is Christine. And you, Mr C, are our Mr C. :)

    This is turning into the Journeyer-RG-Scott thing again isn't it?

    Cant we all just have one name

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:05

    TG back next sunday

    Let the live show battle commence... :(

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 18:05

    Is anyone watching the Quallty for Le Mans

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:05

    TG back next sunday

    Oh gawd. Bang goes the SPC schedule.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:06

    Cant we all just have one name

    I think it is having one name that is causing the problem!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 18:06

    Is anyone watching the Quali for Le Mans

    I am...

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:06

    Is anyone watching the Quallty for Le Mans

    Listening to it

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 18:06

    I am...

    Cool same here

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:06

    I think it is having one name that is causing the problem!

    I think it's Mr C being Mr C that's the problem. I think it was easier when he was me :)

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:07

    I think it's Mr C being Mr C that's the problem. I think it was easier when he was me :)

    But I like Mr C being Mr C cos Mr C is a nice name, for Mr C.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 18:07

    Is anyone watching the Quali for Le Mans

    Yup.

    That girl in the pitlane is cute. :D

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:08

    That girl in the pitlane is cute. :D

    Naughty Bucket!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 18:08

    That girl in the pitlane is cute. :D

    And she's French... :D

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:08

    Is anyone watching the Quali for Le Mans

    Watching on Eurosport.

    That girl in the pitlane is cute. :D

    Annoyed they are only choosing the French drivers

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:08

    I think it's Mr C being Mr C that's the problem. I think it was easier when he was me :)

    But I like Mr C being Mr C cos Mr C is a nice name, for Mr C.

    aha. it's jeremy's fault then.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:08

    I think it's Mr C being Mr C that's the problem. I think it was easier when he was me :)

    It really wasn't!

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 18:09

    Annoyed they are only choosing the French drivers

    Erm, isn't Franck French?

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:09

    TG back next sunday

    Oh gawd. Bang goes the SPC schedule.

    bugger. what time is it on?

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:09

    aha. it's jeremy's fault then.

    Technically yes. I'm not bringing in the fact I was the first one to start saying it.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:09

    aha. it's jeremy's fault then.

    I think Jeremy blames Steven!

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:09

    I think it's Mr C being Mr C that's the problem. I think it was easier when he was me :)

    It really wasn't!

    That was my point!

    I think it's clear that this is Mr C's fault :)

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:10

    Technically yes. I'm not bringing in the fact I was the first one to start saying it.

    r.g. fault.

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:10

    I think it's clear that this is Mr C's fault :)

    which mr. c is that?

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 18:10

    And she's French... :D

    Can't have everything... ;)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:10

    which mr. c is that?

    :D

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:10

    which mr. c is that?

    Codling...

    Oh no you almost made me confused.

    YOU!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:10

    I think Jeremy blames Steven!

    Not my fault. It was Amy.

    Evening all

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 18:11

    Naughty Bucket!

    What? Just for saying that a girl is cute?

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:11

    which mr. c is that?

    Why can't we just call him, I dunno, Stuart?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:11

    Anyone have a video stream?

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:12

    Why can't we just call him, I dunno, Stuart?

    because we don't know his better half's name.

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 18:12

    Anyone have a video stream?

    Same as last time. ;)

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:12

    because we don't know his better half's name.

    Oooh, how about, I dunno, Mrs Codling?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:12

    because we don't know his better half's name.

    Maybe it should be Mrs Stuart?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:12

    because we don't know his better half's name.

    Cant she be Mrs C, then Christine can be Christine, you can be Mr C, and he can be stuart?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:13

    Oooh, how about, I dunno, Mrs Codling?

    But that's so... normal.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:13

    Maybe it should be Mrs Stuart?

    i think you mean "she should be Mrs Stuart"

    ;)

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:13

    Maybe it should be Mrs Stuart?

    you all think you're so smart, don't you?

  • Journeyer11/06/2009 at 18:14

    Anyway, off to bed for me. Quali will lull me to bed. I hope there's some good news from FOTA in the morning.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:14

    i think you mean "she should be Mrs Stuart"

    Oops, yes. I meant it as in the name, rather than it the person. I'll keep quiet now!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:21

    Franck fastest. Is there any need for this session to go any longer

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:21

    Franck fastest. Is there any need for this session to go any longer

    Yes, Christijan needs to come at least in the top 3

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:22

    Yes, Christijan needs to come at least in the top 3

    What car?

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:22

    Franck fastest. Is there any need for this session to go any longer

    personally i'd call the weekend quits about now.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:23

    personally i'd call the weekend quits about now.

    Radio Le Mans saying they really rate Franck. They must read sidepodcast

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:23

    Mr Hind-hoff saying Franck needs to learn the difference between argression and patience, but says he's a very good driver none-the-less.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:24

    What car?

    Kolles with Bakkerud driving right now

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:25

    Kolles with Bakkerud driving right now

    LMP1 Audi R10?

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 18:25

    Davidson is in 9th

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:25

    LMP1 Audi R10?

    yeah thought so,

    you'll be lucky if he's in the top 10

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:26

    Anyone got live timing?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:26

    Mr Lamy to the naughty step please

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:26

    Anyone got live timing?

    http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/chronos_gb.html

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:26

    you'll be lucky if he's in the top 10

    La la la la la la la.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:27

    Anyone got live timing?

    fanks

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:27

    CHRISTINE.RADIO.LE.MANS.NOW!

    They've having a Franck love in.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:29

    Audi are not going to go for pole. I wonder who is going to tell McNish that?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:29

    CHRISTINE.RADIO.LE.MANS.NOW!

    I can never get it to work.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 18:29

    Its gone crazy again... is everyone posting under their correct names at this point?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:29

    I can never get it to work.

    That be the macs fault.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:30

    That be the macs fault.

    Very likely.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:31

    Very likely.

    Although they keep saying that some mac's do work. So maybe it's just yours ;)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:31

    Although they keep saying that some mac's do work. So maybe it's just yours ;)

    Also very likely!

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:33

    Also very likely!

    Franck did the fastest lap :)

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:38

    Although they keep saying that some mac's do work. So maybe it's just yours ;)

    mine doesn't either.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 18:39

    mine doesn't either.

    I would love to own a Mac but I haven't got the money

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:39

    mine doesn't either.

    Stoopid Macs.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:40

    Stoopid Macs.

    I'm going to print screen that :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:41

    I'm going to print screen that :D

    you'll only encourage her. rlm need us to sort their live streaming issues.

    if we can run x-plaform, so should they.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:42

    you'll only encourage her. rlm need us to sort their live streaming issues.

    some mac's work for them, but i think you have to install something

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:42

    some mac's work for them, but i think you have to install something

    any idea what?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:43

    I'm going to print screen that :D

    I'm not the fanboy round here.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:44

    any idea what?

    not off the top of my head, but i'll look into it

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:44

    Watching Le Mans without RLM must be awful. It is ridiculous that they can't supply a stream that Macs can use.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 18:45

    Watching Le Mans without RLM must be awful. It is ridiculous that they can't supply a stream that Macs can use.

    Perhaps Apple can use there massive excess of cash to pay for them to do so?

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:45

    Watching Le Mans without RLM must be awful. It is ridiculous that they can't supply a stream that Macs can use.

    we're not watching at the moment.

    for the race, we'll break out vista like before.

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:45

    Perhaps Apple can use there massive excess of cash to pay for them to do so?

    macs are cheaper in the long term. we've saved money by buying apple.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:46

    Faster pole time by Franck

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 18:46

    macs are cheaper in the long term. we've saved money by buying apple.

    Sadly, it is true.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:46

    Phew, its the other ex-F1 driver from 2005 season, that is off.

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 18:46

    for the race, we'll break out vista like before.

    You mean during the race, Vista will break like before.

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:46

    You mean during the race, Vista will break like before.

    :)

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:46

    for the race, we'll break out vista like before.

    That's OK then. I don't think I could follow the race without them and they set a great atmosphere

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:47

    That's OK then. I don't think I could follow the race without them and they set a great atmosphere

    absolutely.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 18:48

    macs are cheaper in the long term. we've saved money by buying apple.

    Doesn't mean the firm should stockpile their cash instead of funding research like ever other major computer company...

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:49

    Doesn't mean the firm should stockpile their cash instead of funding research like ever other major computer company...

    huh?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:51

    Franck on pole by 2.2 seconds

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:54

    Mr C

    Download "flip4 mac"

    Then shout and i'll tell you what to do next (i haven't worked it out yet, but thats what RLM studio have told me to do)

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:54

    Download "flip4 mac"

    have it. next?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:55

    have it. next?

    ignore me;

    "I use VLC on my Mac and just pop this URL;

    http://tx.sharp-stream.com/tune.php?c=radioshowltd&.waxr

    into the open network box under 'File'. make sure you click the HTTP dot and you'll be fine."

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:55

    Then shout and i'll tell you what to do next (i haven't worked it out yet, but thats what RLM studio have told me to do)

    is it like...

    "see, i have this friend, who has this problem... he umm, owns a mac..."

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:56

    "see, i have this friend, who has this problem... he umm, owns a mac..."

    pretty much :D

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 18:56

    huh?

    Grr..They have a massive stockpile of cash, and there research grants aren't quite up there with other major tech companies Grrr

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:57

    into the open network box under 'File'. make sure you click the HTTP dot and you'll be fine."

    well. whaddayaknow... it works!

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 18:57

    well. whaddayaknow... it works!

    woooooooop

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 18:57

    What channel is Le Mans on sky

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 18:58

    AD is 7th

  • RG11/06/2009 at 18:58

    What channel is Le Mans on sky

    Eurosport

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:59

    What channel is Le Mans on sky

    Try Eurosport 2 or Motors

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 18:59

    Eurosport

    What channel number

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:59

    Grr..They have a massive stockpile of cash, and there research grants aren't quite up there with other major tech companies Grrr

    can't say that i'm bothered tbh. i'm assuming the iphone didn't r&d itself?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:59

    Franck out of the car and RLM are trying to interview him

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 18:59

    well. whaddayaknow... it works!

    No more Vista

  • me11/06/2009 at 18:59

    woooooooop

    cheers jon.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:00

    cheers jon.

    no worries, anything to help my mac friends ;)

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 19:00

    Christine & Mr C are you going to create a different thread tomorrow for the entry list for 2010

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:01

    No more Vista

    w00t!!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:01

    I only have British Eurosoprt... have to wait until 8:45

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:01

    I only have British Eurosoprt... have to wait until 8:45

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:02

    Christine & Mr C are you going to create a different thread tomorrow for the entry list for 2010

    it's probably a waste of time. commenters are always way ahead of us and would likely be deep in discussion before anything gets published.

    then you end up with conversations across two threads :(

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 19:02
  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:03

    evening everyone. hows you're day been?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:03

    evening everyone. hows you're day been?

    Simply smashing... Yours?

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:03

    evening everyone. hows you're day been?

    i meant 'your'. :(

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:04

    Simply smashing... Yours?

    it's be awful. i hate thursdays.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 19:04

    i meant 'your'. :(

    Lucky Mr Bassano isn't here

    Hi Lou

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 19:04

    evening everyone. hows you're day been?

    evening lou :)

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:04

    it's be awful. i hate thursdays.

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/2009/06/11/baby-panda-thursday-16/

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:05

    it's be awful. i hate thursdays.

    http://smarterthanyouraverage.com/2009/06/11/baby-panda-thursday-16/

    not even baby panda thursday can make this day better... bring on friday!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:05

    Hi Lou

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:06

    it's be awful. i hate thursdays.

    Surely they are better than Mondays?

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 19:06

    not even baby panda thursday can make this day better... bring on friday!

    it's been that bad? :(

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:06

    Surely they are better than Mondays?

    not this one. in fact mondays are generally alright. it's just thursdays.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:07

    not even baby panda thursday can make this day better... bring on friday!

    was it a

    *wakes up*

    "yeyyy it's friday"

    "oh no wait it's thursday"

    Those days are just baaaaad

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:07

    not this one. in fact mondays are generally alright. it's just thursdays.

    If it helps... Ants racing (well qualifying)

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:07

    Surely they are better than Mondays?

    You are so wrong.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:07

    If it helps... Ants racing (well qualifying)

    The driver, not hte insect

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:08

    The driver, not hte insect

    Hehehe.

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:08

    If it helps... Ants racing (well qualifying)

    how is he doing? if he is doing badly now is not the time to tell me.

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:08

    Those days are just baaaaad

    haha :)

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:09

    Franck interview

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:09

    Franck broke his leg ten days ago

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:09

    You are so wrong.

    When i was doing 9-5 Thursday was always drinking night :D

    you cant do that on monday... people frown upon it apparently

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:09

    Franck interview

    did he say he broke his leg?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:09

    Says it is still broken

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:09

    how is he doing? if he is doing badly now is not the time to tell me.

    he's doing really well actually....for an aston

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:09

    Franck broke his leg ten days ago

    What?

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:10

    Says it is still broken

    was he joking?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:10

    What?

    Broke it at training camp and he is liming a bit

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:10

    he's doing really well actually....for an aston

    what about Wurz? (is there a live timing or anything?)

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:11

    was he joking?

    Didn't sound like it. I assume it is not a proper break. Probably just a chipped bone or something

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:11

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

    Cheers, how does it work, average of all 3 drivers or just the fastest lap for each car?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:11

    what about Wurz? (is there a live timing or anything?)

    http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/chronos_gb.html

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:11

    Oh my god. It's true.

    http://www.fmontagny.com/index.php?id=766

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:12

    what about Wurz? (is there a live timing or anything?)

    pictures too

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 19:12

    evening everyone. hows you're day been?

    Today was the last day of college for me. Just the exams to go!

    Interesting how I say hi, then you say hi, and people only say hi back to you.. at least twitter still loves me

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:12

    I have been checking that site all freaking year, I can't believe I missed this.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:12

    Cheers, how does it work, average of all 3 drivers or just the fastest lap for each car?

    Fastest lap by the car

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 19:12

    Surely they are better than Mondays?

    I can't do Mondays.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:13

    Oh my god. It's true.

    I dont know... i come here for the most up to date frackanack news and discussion on the web and...

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:13

    Hi Pat

  • RG11/06/2009 at 19:13

    Oh my god. It's true.

    You break a leg stepping on a football?

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:13

    I have been checking that site all freaking year, I can't believe I missed this.

    no-one in france appeared to know either.

    the guy only has one major race a year and he stood on a ball? that's worse than sneezing in a lift!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:14

    He has a properly broke fibula

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:14

    He has a properly broke fibula

    and can drive with that?

  • the Blue Orange Lion11/06/2009 at 19:14

    It's all Le Mans-crazy this week! I hope it's a good one.

    Autosport says talks in London ended inconclusively. They're comparing the situation to the Vatican during the election process of a new Pope. Sounds promising.

    Have fun.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:14

    I am in a really bad mood now.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:15

    Autosport says talks in London ended inconclusively. They're comparing the situation to the Vatican during the election process of a new Pope. Sounds promising.

    Smoke signals?

  • lou11/06/2009 at 19:15

    I am in a really bad mood now.

    see...thursdays are just rubbish.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:15

    I am in a really bad mood now.

    He's still alive, and racing.

    All is well

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:15

    I am in a really bad mood now.

    because you didn't know? or cause he broke his leg?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:15

    no-one in france appeared to know either.

    Radio Le Mans clearly didn't know

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:15

    I am in a really bad mood now.

    see...thursdays are just rubbish.

    :P

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:15

    see...thursdays are just rubbish.

    I KNOW.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:15

    because you didn't know? or cause he broke his leg?

    BOTH.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:16

    see...thursdays are just rubbish.

    They are the best day of the week in some countries :)

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:16

    and can drive with that?

    Yes. THe tibia taks most of the load. I don't know if they left foot brake in these cars. I assume they do and long stints and stints late in the race could hurt a lot.

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:16

    BOTH.

    okay. look at the positives. if he wins, i'm guessing he'll be the first to do so with a broken leg.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:17

    I am in a really bad mood now.

    He is still quick

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 19:17

    because you didn't know? or cause he broke his leg?

    BOTH.

    And yet.. he still fast? That's amazing.

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 19:17

    wheres frank and antony

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:18

    Yes. THe tibia taks most of the load. I don't know if they left foot brake in these cars. I assume they do and long stints and stints late in the race could hurt a lot.

    they will probably inject it, longer term damage, but its the biggest race of the season

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:18

    Clearly no-one told McNish that Audi were not going to go for pole

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:18

    they will probably inject it, longer term damage, but its the biggest race of the season

    I would have thought the biggest problem would be it rattling around and banging aginst things

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:19

    they will probably inject it, longer term damage, but its the biggest race of the season

    Stupid man only leaves the house once a year, and breaks his leg. If I knew him, I wouldn't let him outside. Outside bad.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:20

    I would have thought the biggest problem would be it rattling around and banging aginst things

    Gavin better be careful of his leg when they kidnap him, then.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:21

    After 10 mins of watching this, i'm really not sure what Ferrari were thinking when they said this could take over from F1. The TV companies would be lucky if the casual viewer stayed on the channel for 30 seconds.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 19:21

    Gavin better be careful of his leg when they kidnap him, then.

    You ask Alex to nick a panda, Gavin to nick Montagny, what next?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:21

    Please, please, please show us on board of McNish if he is really going to go for it on new tyres.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:22

    Gavin better be careful of his leg when they kidnap him, then.

    If anyone sees a comment from Gavin send him a reply immediately telling him to be careful

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:22

    If anyone sees a comment from Gavin send him a reply immediately telling him to be careful

    he tweeted earlier i think.

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 19:23

    Franck isn't just a pretty face now. If he makes it through the race, then that is one hell of a gutsy performance. If by luck the team wins, he is a legend.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:24

    Franck isn't just a pretty face now. If he makes it through the race, then that is one hell of a gutsy performance. If by luck the team wins, he is a legend.

    If they don't win, he'll be out of a job....

    Peugeuot won't be here next year if they don't win. I reckon

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 19:24

    If they don't win, he'll be out of a job....

    Is this supposed to be making me feel better?

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:24

    Peugeuot won't be here next year if they don't win. I reckon

    didn't i read they're building a new car?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:25

    Is this supposed to be making me feel better?

    It means he can sign for Audi and win

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:25

    Is this supposed to be making me feel better?

    It just makes him even more legendary if he does win!

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:26

    didn't i read they're building a new car?

    dunno, havent heard anything about that, but it's their 3rd year now, so if they don't win then it'll be hard to convince hte board that they should keep spending the money. s'what i've heard

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 19:26

    Stupid man only leaves the house once a year, and breaks his leg. If I knew him, I wouldn’t let him outside. Outside bad.

    Wow, who knew that Christine was the prototype for Annie Wilkes' character in Misery.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 19:27

    Stupid man only leaves the house once a year, and breaks his leg. If I knew him, I wouldn’t let him outside. Outside bad.

    You try liking a F1 driver, trust me, its much worse. Did you see Australia and Germany? God I was scared.

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:28

    dunno, havent heard anything about that, but it's their 3rd year now, so if they don't win then it'll be hard to convince hte board that they should keep spending the money. s'what i've heard

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74507

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:28

    arse.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:29

    McNish takes pole

    Sory Christine

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:29

    dunno, havent heard anything about that, but it's their 3rd year now, so if they don't win then it'll be hard to convince hte board that they should keep spending the money. s'what i've heard

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74507

    i'll just shut up then :D

  • RG11/06/2009 at 19:29

    Sory Christine

    2 hours left isn't there?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:29

    2 hours left isn't there?

    he has a point

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 19:29

    Geeeze McNish, squeezes pole with a flyer at the end.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:30

    McNish takes pole

    Isnt there another session?

    But maybe the dark makes them slower?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:30

    2 hours left isn't there?

    Yes but this should be the quicker session. THe second session will be cooler which makes the engines better and the aero but not the tyres

  • RG11/06/2009 at 19:30

    Geeeze McNish, squeezes pole with a flyer at the end.

    No need to be scared, just watch out for the Christijan with an J later.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 19:30

    But maybe the dark makes them slower?

    but cooler air makes them faster

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:31

    but cooler air makes them faster

    aha!

    Im learning all the time :D

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:32

    There is supposed to be an hour between the session but there may be less because they lost half an hour befor this session

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:34

    That really was Audi organisation winning again. For all of that session Peugeot was faster but Audi set up their fastest driver to be on track on new tyres when there was the best chance of a clear lap. Had Peugeot done the same with Franck he would probably have been faster.

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 19:36

    There is supposed to be an hour between the session but there may be less because they lost half an hour befor this session

    I was just on Eurosport while their feed was on, Martin said 25 minutes.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:38

    I was just on Eurosport while their feed was on, Martin said 25 minutes.

    Thanks Pat

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 19:39

    Now some Bond, James Bond

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:40

    Marino Franchitti sounds exactly like his brother. He is Paul di Resta's other cousin

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 19:41

    It's proberly about 12 hours to the release of the entry list and I can't wait

  • me11/06/2009 at 19:42

    francknews!

    http://iheartfranck.com/2009/06/11/breaking-news-literally/

    you may have heard this one though.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 19:42

    Dounds like the drivers expect the second session to be faster

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:47

    francknews!

    All in all, it looks like it’s going to be a painful weekend.

    Hehe (at your pun not the tragedy) Hopefully he will be okay... maybe SC can give him a getwell message?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:50

    IS the best setup Eurosport pictures and radio le mans audio?

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 19:56

    IS the best setup Eurosport pictures and radio le mans audio?

    That's what I have, although in fairness to Eurosport they've got a pretty decent line-up this year by bringing in Jeremy Shaw.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 19:58

    That's what I have, although in fairness to Eurosport they've got a pretty decent line-up this year by bringing in Jeremy Shaw.

    I might try an hour of each. Do the Cars have built in jacks? it looked like the peugeot guy just pressed a button, it lowered and the guy drove off...

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 20:01

    And we are off again. Cars on the track.

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:01

    Green

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 20:04

    Are we doing a parade lap for LeMans?

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 20:04

    Bourdais is out.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 20:06

    Are we doing a parade lap for LeMans?

    What a great idea

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 20:06

    Why do the teams strip the cars tomorrow and rebuild them!!!

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 20:07

    Why do the teams strip the cars tomorrow and rebuild them!!!

    nervious jitters.

  • me11/06/2009 at 20:07

    Are we doing a parade lap for LeMans?

    :)

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 20:10

    Christine in your guide for new people it may be worth making a comment that there will be a thread open for the live shows with lots of coversation happening. Reading it as it is written now it sounds like people could be hanging about waiting for a show to start while getting bored.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 20:13

    Christine in your guide for new people it may be worth making a comment that there will be a thread open for the live shows with lots of coversation happening. Reading it as it is written now it sounds like people could be hanging about waiting for a show to start while getting bored.

    Ooh, okay, will do.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 20:15

    Ooh, okay, will do.

    Read the rest of it and it looks good.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 20:16

    McNish is getting ready to go again. Light the blue touch paper

  • Chris_Humphreys11/06/2009 at 20:16

    Read the rest of it and it looks good.

    Can you send me a link

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 20:17

    Light up numbers are uber-cool

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 20:18

    Can you send me a link

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/about/new-to-sidepodcast-quick-start-guide/

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:22

    it's probably a waste of time. commenters are always way ahead of us and would likely be deep in discussion before anything gets published.

    then you end up with conversations across two threads :(

    Just had a thought on this. Maybe put something up straight after tomorrow's Daily? Head them off at the pass..

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 20:22

    That sounds an awful lot like the 100-year commercial deal Bernie got from Max. Why the heck would Bernie give him a 17-year deal? That doesn't exactly put pressure on Mr. Gillett to keep a high standard of quality...

    Bigger forfeit cheque when it fails

  • me11/06/2009 at 20:23

    Just had a thought on this. Maybe put something up straight after tomorrow's Daily? Head them off at the pass..

    good plan. christine?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 20:23

    good plan. christine?

    Can do.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 20:24

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/about/new-to-sidepodcast-quick-start-guide/

    Is it wrong that I read the first part as wiki.sidepodcast?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 20:25

    Is it wrong that I read the first part as wiki.sidepodcast?

    Yes.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 20:26

    Yes.

    Aaaah, I'm spending too much time on there.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 20:32

    Aaaah, I'm spending too much time on there.

    Such a concept never exists

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:47

    Not a fan of the current RLM line-up..

  • me11/06/2009 at 20:48

    Not a fan of the current RLM line-up..

    turned off the second they started. any news?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 20:48

    Not a fan of the current RLM line-up..

    They're alright, apart from Paul, but they're not a patch on Hindy

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 20:49

    turned off the second they started. any news?

    none whatsoever

  • RG11/06/2009 at 20:49

    turned off the second they started. any news?

    Who are they?

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:50

    turned off the second they started. any news?

    Just too dry and monotonous. It's as if I were doing it! If there's anything happening I'm missing it through the drone. Times don't seem to be improving at the front at least.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 20:51

    turned off the second they started. any news?

    Nothing much has happened in this session

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:54

    They're alright, apart from Paul, but they're not a patch on Hindy

    I like Paul Trusswell, lots of good info. I don't like the American guy who leads commentary right now. Jim?

    The other American they have, whose name I've forgotten and isn't with them now, is excellent.

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:55

    The other American they have, whose name I've forgotten and isn't with them now, is excellent.

    Oh that might be him there actually.

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 20:56

    I like Paul Trusswell, lots of good info. I don't like the American guy who leads commentary right now. Jim?

    The other American they have, whose name I've forgotten and isn't with them now, is excellent.

    I meant i lived paul hehe, the others arent anything special, but they were great with the historics earlier

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:56

    Who are they?

    Jim..something on lead commentary, Paul Trusswell on car positions/strategy, that other guy on pitching in with interesting stuff

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 20:56

    I meant i lived paul hehe, the others arent anything special, but they were great with the historics earlier

    *liked

    whhops

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 20:57

    that other guy on pitching in with interesting stuff

    Chuck Dressing

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 21:03

    Vaninna Icxx (or however you spell it) IS TINY!!!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:04

    Vaninna Icxx (or however you spell it) IS TINY!!!

    That has to be the most boring helmet design ever

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 21:06

    That has to be the most boring helmet design ever

    It looks too big to be on her head hehehe

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:13

    Got to say, if they did F1 in HD I hope it would look as good as Le Mans does.

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 21:15

    Got to say, if they did F1 in HD I hope it would look as good as Le Mans does.

    It still blows my mind that F1 isn't in HD. I have never heard a concrete reason why it hasn't been done yet.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:16

    It still blows my mind that F1 isn't in HD. I have never heard a concrete reason why it hasn't been done yet.

    Bernie won't splash the cash.

    Satellite bandwidth costs, camera costs, cabling costs, lens costs....

  • RG11/06/2009 at 21:17

    Satellite bandwidth costs, camera costs, cabling costs, lens costs....

    ...Taking F1 into the future

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 21:18

    Bernie won't splash the cash.

    Story of his life.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:18

    ...Taking F1 into the future

    Bernie doesn't even have a good website for F1 yet.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:19

    Whoops.

    he's fallen off the race track...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:19

    It still blows my mind that F1 isn't in HD. I have never heard a concrete reason why it hasn't been done yet.

    It isnt siesped enouh accross Europe yet and Bernie was burned by interactive coverage.

    Japan is filmed in HD, or it has been for the last few years... But their are rumours F1 will be HD next year.They have been testing an on-board HD cameras this year, if you look closely its the slightly fatter T bar.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:19

    ...Taking F1 into the future

    He needs to bring it into the present first

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:20

    It isnt siesped enouh accross Europe yet and Bernie was burned by interactive coverage.

    It isn't widespread enough...

    stupid electronics

  • Andy Taylor11/06/2009 at 21:20

    Evening all.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:21

    He's on lighter fuel??? Butane?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:21

    Hey Andy

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 21:21

    Bernie doesn't even have a good website for F1 yet.

    I think the best discription of Bernie I can think of is that he a 19th century industrialist running a 20th sport with 21st century fans.

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 21:22

    He's on lighter fuel??? Butane?

    Hydrogen?

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 21:22

    Can I just ask, as this is a daily post and not live commenting, if we can have a bit of context with the Le Mans stuff? Nothing major, just some names would help!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:22

    I think the best discription of Bernie I can think of is that he a 19th century industrialist running a 20th sport with 21st century fans.

    That's good

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:22

    I've just read the 2010 Le Mans rules...

    Oh dear...

    LMP1 petrol cars engine size reduced to 3.4l from 6l

    Diesel reduced to 3.4l from 5.5l

    Turbocharged Petrol down to 2l from 4l

    LMP2 will have to run using GT2 or production based engines.

    Telemetry banned!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:23

    Can I just ask, as this is a daily post and not live commenting, if we can have a bit of context with the Le Mans stuff? Nothing major, just some names would help!

    Will try

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:23

    Can I just ask, as this is a daily post and not live commenting, if we can have a bit of context with the Le Mans stuff? Nothing major, just some names would help!

    I would have given a name - but all I saw was the rear of a LMP2 car off the track..

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 21:24

    I would have given a name - but all I saw was the rear of a LMP2 car off the track..

    That's a start.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:24

    I've just read the 2010 Le Mans rules...

    That is the first I have heard of that. Audi have a new car this year and Peugeot are talking about a new car for 2011. Seems odd if there a new rules for 2010

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:26

    That is the first I have heard of that. Audi have a new car this year and Peugeot are talking about a new car for 2011. Seems odd if there a new rules for 2010

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76015

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 21:28

    That is the first I have heard of that. Audi have a new car this year and Peugeot are talking about a new car for 2011. Seems odd if there a new rules for 2010

    I don't think the regulations are not significant enough to cause concerns in the designs of the cars. The one thing I do like about sports cars is those chassis are really adaptable to different components and different needs as per the race or regulations.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:29

    My adopted team isn't doing that well at the moment. :(

    Poor Creation. :( 21st overall or 19th out of 20 LMP1's

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:30

    Dports cars are meant to have big engines. Stupid ACO

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:31

    Vaninna Icxx (or however you spell it) IS TINY!!!

    Schweeeeeet! :D

    So small. :D

  • RG11/06/2009 at 21:31

    My adopted team isn't doing that well at the moment. :(

    Mine are 13th, been there like all through practice as well.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:33

    Sarrazan *Peugoat* just 0.078 slower than Kristensen *Audi* now. :(

    Got held up by another Audi

  • Alison11/06/2009 at 21:34

    Evening. Forgive my ignorance but what are we watching?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 21:34

    Evening. Forgive my ignorance but what are we watching?

    Le Mans qualifying :)

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 21:35

    Evening. Forgive my ignorance but what are we watching?

    Le Mans qualifying :)

    Hello all

    Is there a link to the feed by any chance?

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:35

    Evening. Forgive my ignorance but what are we watching?

    24 Heures Du Mans. ;)

    Looks like deliberate blocking from Audi now to keep pole.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:35

    Sarrazan *Peugoat* just 0.078 slower than Kristensen *Audi* now. :(

    Looks like he will get pole unless TK pits for fresh tyres in the last ten minutes. I assume the reason TK kept McNish's tyres was to get a few laps in to settle into the car and do a time that qualifies him for the race before he has a real crack at pole

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:35

    Is there a link to the feed by any chance?

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 21:35

    Looks like deliberate blocking from Audi now to keep pole.

    Kubica's there? ;)

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 21:36

    Is there a link to the feed by any chance?

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

    Merci

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:36

    Live timing

    http://www.lemans.org/24heuresdumans/pages/chronos_gb.html

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:36

    Kubica's there? ;)

    :D

    Kristensen blocking Sarrizan - guess who currently has pole?

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 21:36
  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:37

    Oh the ****ers!

    Peugoat on a stonking lap - time for adverts!

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 21:37

    Kristensen blocking Sarrizan - guess who currently has pole?

    Mr K then

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:38

    Peugoat on a stonking lap - time for adverts!

    He can't have another fast lap in the tyres or fuel

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:38

    Looks like deliberate blocking from Audi now to keep pole.

    Do they have stewards?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:39

    Mr K then

    Yes. McNish took pole at the end of the first session despite Franck and his broken leg being fastest right through the session

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:39

    Do they have stewards?

    They are useless at Le Mans. Can't even decide whats legal or not for a pitstop.

    21 minutes remaining.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:39

    Do they have stewards?

    The ACO have stewards who have a long history of insane decisions

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 21:39

    I don't think the regulations are not significant enough to cause concerns in the designs of the cars. The one thing I do like about sports cars is those chassis are really adaptable to different components and different needs as per the race or regulations.

    Just another thought here. One argument that the FOTA hasn't made is that Max and the FIA are somewhat to blame for higher costs in F1. Think of it this way, when was the last time we had a chassis in F1 that lasted for more than two years? More importantly, when was the last time we had the same regulations for the teams to work from for more than two years?

    We now have a situation where teams develop a chassis for the next year's regulations AND develop the current cars. How is that cost effective. If the FIA wants the teams to spend less, stop changing the rubric.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:40

    Yes. McNish took pole at the end of the first session despite Franck and his broken leg being fastest right through the session

    Hehe, you make it sound like he's dragging it behind the car!

  • RG11/06/2009 at 21:40

    The ACO have stewards who have a long history of insane decisions

    Do the FIA and ACO swap then?

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:40

    Corvette facing the wrong way there. :D

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:40

    The ACO have stewards who have a long history of insane decisions

    lol, any highlights?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:41

    We now have a situation where teams develop a chassis for the next year's regulations AND develop the current cars. How is that cost effective. If the FIA wants the teams to spend less, stop changing the rubric.

    I assume that is one of the things that FOTA want sorted

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:41

    Corvette facing the wrong way there. :D

    Number 64 M. Fassler

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:41

    Do the FIA and ACO swap then?

    No the ACO is its own little world

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:42

    lol, any highlights?

    Only allowed 2 mechanics and 1 wheel gun in the pit box at a time.

    Plus the Lotus times at Le Mans. Changing the rules at the race weekend to prevent Lotus taking from taking part.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:42

    No the ACO is its own little world

    Do they favour the pugs?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:43

    Only allowed 2 mechanics and 1 wheel gun in the pit box at a time.

    Maybe Max should get some cost cutting tips....

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 21:43

    Only allowed 2 mechanics and 1 wheel gun in the pit box at a time.

    thus making pit stops somewhat less fast and less interesting

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:43

    Do they favour the pugs?

    They don't seem to as they have thrown out their protests against Audi

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:44

    If that is Sarrazin he just hit mega traffic

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:45

    They don't seem to as they have thrown out their protests against Audi

    I really do suspect the Audi is not complying with the rules at they stand.

    They forcced all the Ferrari's to get extra carbon bits over the wheels

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 21:45

    If this commentator says Poo-show once more i may scream

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:45

    Boo for a Mazda engine at Le Mans thats not a Wankel. :(

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:46

    If this commentator says Poo-show once more i may scream

    Peugoat?

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:46

    Do they drive up behind each other with full beams on?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:46

    I wish they used the same timing colours as F1. This is plain confusing

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 21:46

    Peugoat?

    ja

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:46

    Do they drive up behind each other with full beams on?

    Yup. Most must drive BMW's day to day. ;)

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:46

    Do they drive up behind each other with full beams on?

    Yes

  • me11/06/2009 at 21:47

    Yup. Most must drive BMW's day to day. ;)

    :D

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 21:47

    A bit late in I know...

    Where's the video feed that you guys are all watching??

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:47

    Yes

    What do they dip them for?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:47

    I really do suspect the Audi is not complying with the rules at they stand.

    I thought it was suspect at Sebring but they have taken a lot of aero bits off it since then

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:47

    Yup. Most must drive BMW's day to day. ;)

    hehe

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:47

    Where's the video feed that you guys are all watching??

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

    13 minutes remaining

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:48

    Where's the video feed that you guys are all watching??

    http://www.atdhe.net/7219/watch-24-hours-of-le-mans

    Le Mans quali 12 minutes left

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:48

    I thought it was suspect at Sebring but they have taken a lot of aero bits off it since then

    They would do - this is a low downforce track.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:48

    What do they dip them for?

    Lent?

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 21:48

    Thanks Flibster and Steven Roy!!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:49

    Sarrazin took pole

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:49

    Lent?

    lol

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:49

    Come one Audi get TK in for tyres

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:49

    What a dull engine note those Diseaseal's have. :(

  • me11/06/2009 at 21:49

    What do they dip them for?

    Lent?

    :D

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 21:50

    What a dull engine note those Diseaseal's have. :(

    I wasn't a fan of diesels until I bought one. Admittedly the turbo may have something to do with it.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:51

    I wasn't a fan of diesels until I bought one. Admittedly the turbo may have something to do with it.

    Buy a proper engine with a turbo on it instead.

    Or a Wankel with a turbo. :D

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:52

    Marco Werner to try for pole?

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 21:53

    Buy a proper engine with a turbo on it instead.

    Performance with fuel economy. Works for me.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:53

    Buy a proper engine with a turbo on it instead.

    But it is the fuel of Satan

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:53

    Performance with fuel economy. Works for me.

    As petrol is being blamed for all the worlds problems, I'm trying to use it all up as quickly as possible.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:53

    Or a Wankel with a turbo. :D

    I was going to phone in the other week and suggest that f1 move to wankels.

    Piston engines have been refined so much that very little progress is being made now, if F1 went with rotary's at least it would be making more road useful tech.

    Plus they are called Wankels...

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:54

    I was going to phone in the other week and suggest that f1 move to wankels.

    Do it

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:55

    Plus they are called Wankels...

    Better than the Renesis engine I have...

    No - It's a Wankel!

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 21:55

    I don't have anything to add, I just wanted to say 'wankel'.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 21:55

    Children, please.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:56

    Do it

    (Un?)Fortunatly i hate the sound of my own voice...

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 21:57

    3 minutes!

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 21:57

    Children, please.

    It is unfortunately the name of the guy who invented rotary engines and is the recognised name for them

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 21:57

    You could also integrate Kerrs directly into the engine

  • me11/06/2009 at 21:57

    It is unfortunately the name of the guy who invented rotary engines and is the recognised name for them

    we know.

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 21:58

    It is unfortunately the name of the guy who invented rotary engines and is the recognised name for them

    I have no problem with the name of the guy, but there's a time and a place.

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 21:58

    Off topic slightly...

    I just uploaded my 2008 Silverstone F1 pics to flickr if anyone wants to look at them.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:00

    Why is McNish puttin his helmet on?

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:00

    green is not good?

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 22:01

    Why is McNish puttin his helmet on?

    Pitstop practice

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:01

    Why is McNish puttin his helmet on?

    and why has it a camera on top?

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 22:01

    green is not good?

    I really have no idea..

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:01

    green is not good?

    They use different colours. Red seems to be good

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:01

    and why has it a camera on top?

    I think it is a radio plug

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 22:02

    and why has it a camera on top?

    Why not?

    Would be better with a DC style camera.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:02

    I think green is green and red is purple

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 22:03

    I think green is green and red is purple

    wtf??

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 22:03

    I think green is green and red is purple

    I agree

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:04

    wtf??

    Comparing the Le Mans timing colours to F1 timing colours

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:04

    Franck's car on pole

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:04

    I think green is green and red is purple

    got ya.

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 22:04

    Peugoat number 8 gets pole with Sarrazin with a time of 3:22.888

    7.112 seconds faster than the times the ACO wanted. :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:04

    Franck's car on pole

    we saw him!

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 22:05

    Comparing the Le Mans timing colours to F1 timing colours

    Now that makes sense!

  • RG11/06/2009 at 22:05

    Peugoat number 8 gets pole with Sarrazin with a time of 3:22.888

    My live timing went kaput at the end. Wheres Albers?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:05

    got ya.

    Figured it out and now I have a whole year before it is any good to me again

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 22:05

    7.112 seconds faster than the times the ACO wanted. :D

    Good! Pole should be in the 3m20s or less.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:06

    My live timing went kaput at the end. Wheres Albers?

    13th

  • Christine11/06/2009 at 22:06

    FRANCK!!!

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:06

    Figured it out and now I have a whole year before it is any good to me again

    :D :P

  • RG11/06/2009 at 22:07

    13th

    Gah, he did beat the other Kolles didn't he?

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:07

    so. will franck start the race?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:07

    Gah, he did beat the other Kolles didn't he?

    Yes by one place

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 22:08

    Audi didn't fight for the pole...

    Yeah... Right... ;)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 22:08

    Ant's 9th... i guess 4.8 seconds off the pace inst as bad as it sounds...

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:08

    so. will franck start the race?

    On the entry list he is listed as the starting driver

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 22:09

    Ant's 9th... i guess 4.8 seconds off the pace inst as bad as it sounds...

    Is the Aston Petrol of diesel? i forget

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 22:09

    Ant's 9th... i guess 4.8 seconds off the pace inst as bad as it sounds...

    4.8sec is very good for a petrol car against the diesels, considering petrols were 16sec back last year

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:09

    Audi didn't fight for the pole...

    They should have put TK in the car ealy in the session so that McNish could go for it at the end.

  • RG11/06/2009 at 22:09

    Yes by one place

    He still beat him, thats good.

    Right, see ya all tomorrow, on that upbeat mood, see ya'll tomorrow for some whining about the entry list. I can guarantee now there will be a surprise. Ciao

  • Dan Brunell11/06/2009 at 22:09

    Is the Aston Petrol of diesel? i forget

    Petrol

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:09

    Is the Aston Petrol of diesel? i forget

    Petrol

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 22:09

    Is the Aston Petrol of diesel? i forget

    Petrol.

    A diesel Aston? Whatever next!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 22:09

    4.8sec is very good for a petrol car against the diesels, considering petrols were 16sec back last year

    Is it classed seperatly or is it all LMP 1?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:09

    4.8sec is very good for a petrol car against the diesels, considering petrols were 16sec back last year

    The diesels have a big penalty this year though

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 22:10

    Is the Aston Petrol of diesel? i forget

    Petrol

    Then they're really well placed

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 22:10

    The diesels have a big penalty this year though

    I'd say 5 seconds a lap is still pretty quick ;)

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:10

    Is it classed seperatly or is it all LMP 1?

    All LMP1

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 22:10

    The petrols need to be more powerful than the diesels.

    Diesel has a range 2-3 tiles that of the petrol so in order to be equal the petrols need to be faster.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:11

    We should have Franck against McNish at the start so that should be entertaining

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 22:11

    All LMP1

    but are known as LMP1bis, because they might as well be a different class

  • Flibster11/06/2009 at 22:11

    McNish P1 early on then.

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:11

    We should have Franck against McNish at the start so that should be entertaining

    brilliant.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:14

    Tomorrow is going to be so boring with no running. Any chance of an aside with Stuart for Le Mans? :)

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:15

    Tomorrow is going to be so boring with no running. Any chance of an aside with Stuart for Le Mans? :)

    hehehehe.

  • Pat W11/06/2009 at 22:15

    Tomorrow is going to be so boring with no running. Any chance of an aside with Stuart for Le Mans? :)

    You can watch the parade through the town.. if you aren't at work..

  • lou11/06/2009 at 22:16

    not sure if anyone knows, but Red Bull have an itunes app... and it's free..

    itunes link

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 22:16

    not sure if anyone knows, but Red Bull have an itunes app... and it's free..

    itunes link

    What does it do?

  • Jon Waldock11/06/2009 at 22:19

    What does it do?

    It qualifies really well, but then goes off on the first lap.

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:19

    What does it do?

    It qualifies really well, but then goes off on the first lap.

    :D

  • lou11/06/2009 at 22:19

    What does it do?

    from what i can see (have only just discovered it, so haven't had a chance to have a proper look at it, but it looks like it's got some nice features and it will be interesting to see how their 'pitter' feature works over a race weekend. However even if it's rubbish, it's a big step forward for teams :)

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 22:20

    It qualifies really well, but then goes off on the first lap.

    Very good!

    itunes tells me its not available in the UK store!

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 22:21

    itunes tells me its not available in the UK store!

    I just downloaded it in the UK

  • lou11/06/2009 at 22:21

    itunes tells me its not available in the UK store!

    works alright for me?

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:21

    itunes tells me its not available in the UK store!

    try this: http://bit.ly/JeoXg

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 22:22

    Seems I'm having network issues! Works now!

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:24

    brabham to sue formtech over name.

    "Triple Formula 1 world champion Sir Jack Brabham and his family have confirmed today they are taking legal action against Formtech for using the Brabham name in its entry for the 2010 F1 season."

  • Chris Harland11/06/2009 at 22:27

    Good thing too. I'll be honest, F1 history isn't my strong point, but entering a team that is named after a former GREAT team is just immorally wrong.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 22:27

    maybe we should all boycott it. go to the beach or something?

    no podcast, no live commenting. pretend it’s not happening? {Comment #348}

    Maybe we should spend the weekend organising karting competitions, as happened in Hungary last year. (I say plural because I'm considering doing a Donington Park Museum/karting combo in October/November as well as the Autosport/karting combo in mid-January).

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:31

    from what i can see (have only just discovered it, so haven't had a chance to have a proper look at it, but it looks like it's got some nice features and it will be interesting to see how their 'pitter' feature works over a race weekend. However even if it's rubbish, it's a big step forward for teams :)

    hmm, it's got potential. but i can see why it's free at the moment.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 22:32

    The thing is that I know that in reality a lot of people will still watch it. And during a boring race the only things that keep us sane are the comments. {Comment #357}

    I have the distinct problem that as the sole admin of one forum, co-admin of another and a third forum's sole source of practise information, a lot of people would be very unhappy if I actually boycotted the race. Which makes me a bit like Force India - sympathetic to the cause of the boycott but unable to participate personally :(

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 22:40

    So is it going to rain at Le Mans again?

  • Alex Andronov11/06/2009 at 22:44

    hmm, it's got potential. but i can see why it's free at the moment.

    I'm not here...

    #f1nostalgia

    ...see I was never here ;)

  • lou11/06/2009 at 22:47

    hmm, it's got potential. but i can see why it's free at the moment.

    it may encourage more teams to enter into the app world though, which can only be good, right?

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 22:47

    So is it going to rain at Le Mans again?

    There is some rain predicted

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 22:48

    There is some rain predicted

    Foggy Peugeots again then.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 22:51

    it may encourage more teams to enter into the app world though, which can only be good, right?

    Will a Brawn app make it through scrutineering, maybe Red Bull will appeal?

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 22:59

    I do not know of which building you speak. {Comment #365}

    There was a lime-green building at Turn 22. It was the only corner in that sector (apart from the final turn) distinguishable from the others by its surroundings...

  • me11/06/2009 at 22:59

    it may encourage more teams to enter into the app world though, which can only be good, right?

    totally. i think the f1 app sorta raised the bar to unobtainable levels, but i'd love to see renaults live data on an app.

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:00

    I'm not here...

    #f1nostalgia

    ...see I was never here ;)

    damnit, i do some before i sleep.

  • lou11/06/2009 at 23:01

    totally. i think the f1 app sorta raised the bar to unobtainable levels, but i'd love to see renaults live data on an app.

    did you find out if it was £4.99 each race in the end (haven't really been keeping track of things atm). but yeah that app looks awesome :)

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:02

    totally. i think the f1 app sorta raised the bar to unobtainable levels, but i'd love to see renaults live data on an app.

    Honestly I think these iphone apps are a gimmick. Why not put this stuff on the web? That way at least you have the chance of watching more than one thing. Trying to jam all thins stuff on a tiny little screen is a bit silly if you ask me.

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:02

    did you find out if it was £4.99 each race in the end (haven't really been keeping track of things atm). but yeah that app looks awesome :)

    no more confirmed info as yet. and mine hasn't actually worked since the first day i bought it.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:03

    Honestly I think these iphone apps are a gimmick. Why not put this stuff on the web? That way at least you have the chance of watching more than one thing.

    But they make plenty of cash!

  • lou11/06/2009 at 23:03

    no more confirmed info as yet. and mine hasn't actually worked since the first day i bought it.

    oooh.... not good. hopefully it will burst into life for the grand prix :)

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:04

    But they make plenty of cash!

    Are you sure of that? I think a small few do....

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:04

    Honestly I think these iphone apps are a gimmick. Why not put this stuff on the web? That way at least you have the chance of watching more than one thing. Trying to jam all thins stuff on a tiny little screen is a bit silly if you ask me.

    i think i said elsewhere. it's a business model that works.

    there's real way to make a decent income via html, but the apple ecosystem gives you a return on investment that makes it worthwhile.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:04

    Honestly I think these iphone apps are a gimmick. Why not put this stuff on the web? That way at least you have the chance of watching more than one thing. Trying to jam all thins stuff on a tiny little screen is a bit silly if you ask me.

    It would probably be cheaper, one of the reasons i expect it is so expensive is so people at the races don't ignore kangaroo tv.

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:04

    there's real way to make a decent income via html, but the apple ecosystem gives you a return on investment that makes it worthwhile.

    oops...

    there's NO real way...

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:05

    But they make plenty of cash!

    that's exactly it. loads and loads of cash.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:05

    there's NO real way...

    There is steam...

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:05

    There is steam...

    ...punk?

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:06

    I can’t even remember who won the race though so it’s no surprise I don’t recall the scenery. {Comment #374}

    I remember it was Massa because I still haven't quite forgiven his team's pit lane release system for making him nearly clout Sutil on the way out of the pits...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:06

    ...punk?

    ..excuse me!

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:06

    there's real way to make a decent income via html, but the apple ecosystem gives you a return on investment that makes it worthwhile.

    I really wonder whether they make much return on investment for the iphone stuff. Short of fan-boys (apple or F1 or whatever). How many iphone apps do you actually return to after the first week? I am VERY reluctant to pay for an app.

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:07

    ...punk?

    ..excuse me!

    hehe. ignore me. you mean:

    http://store.steampowered.com/

    ?

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:07

    that's exactly it. loads and loads of cash.

    Who? A couple of guys who wrote games?

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:08

    I really wonder whether they make much return on investment for the iphone stuff. Short of fan-boys (apple or F1 or whatever). How many iphone apps do you actually return to after the first week? I am VERY reluctant to pay for an app.

    there were figures, i read recently. i'll dig em out. thousands upon thousands of pounds, is the short answer.

    how much can you make selling html apps on the web?

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:08

    Who? A couple of guys who wrote games?

    you're miles off the mark.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:08

    .. How many iphone apps do you actually return to after the first week? I am VERY reluctant to pay for an app.

    But plenty of people do, worldwide

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:08

    http://store.steampowered.com/

    oh yes, sorry, I guess it inst as obvious for people who aren't forced to use it to play games!

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:09

    It would probably be cheaper, one of the reasons i expect it is so expensive is so people at the races don’t ignore kangaroo tv. {Comment #1108}

    Speaking of Kangaroo TV, one of my relatives has given me and Dad some money on the specific understanding that we spend it in Silverstone. Dad's therefore letting me have a Kangaroo TV so that I can access the same data as I can at home. There may be hope for keeping my blog somewhat up-to-date while I'm at Silverstone yet!

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:09

    oh yes, sorry, I guess it inst as obvious for people who aren't forced to use it to play games!

    completely new to me. i've no idea if they make money, i do know they've not earned anything from me though.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:09

    how much can you make selling html apps on the web?

    Yeah true enough. Don't Autosport make money from their subscription side? Has anyone really offered something *worthwhile* on the web for a fee? Why on earth pay money for a limited app which is on a tiny screen, that may or may not work

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:10

    Speaking of Kangaroo TV, one of my relatives has given me and Dad some money on the specific understanding that we spend it in Silverstone. Dad's therefore letting me have a Kangaroo TV so that I can access the same data as I can at home. There may be hope for keeping my blog somewhat up-to-date while I'm at Silverstone yet!

    You will get far more data!

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 23:10
  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:10

    Why on earth pay money for a limited app which is on a tiny screen, that may or may not work

    Extreme portability, for one

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:12

    completely new to me. i've no idea if they make money, i do know they've not earned anything from me though.

    It is basicly the main portal for selling games for digital download, and activating software on-line. It stops a lot, but far from all piracy for on-line games.

    I think it would be the ideal platform to deliver an F1 app

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:12

    #f1nostalgia (since Twitter's gone into a sulk for the sixth time today) I found a copy of the 2000-2001 Formula 1 Yearbook at a local charity shop. Even though I have the Autocourse for that year already, I had to have it. Still haven't figured out why that year is yellow when all the other Yearbooks are black...

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:13

    Extreme portability, for one

    but you need to be sat in front of a screen to watch f1, i suppose it is a good replacement if you can't see it, but then again its for hardcore fans who are unlikely to miss a race...

    and again it might sere as a cheaper alternative to kangaroo at a race...

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 23:13

    completely new to me. i've no idea if they make money, i do know they've not earned anything from me though.

    steam is HUGELY successful in a business thats notorious for torrenting and whatnot. it's surprising how well steam has done actually...

  • Andy Taylor11/06/2009 at 23:13

    Why on earth pay money for a limited app which is on a tiny screen, that may or may not work

    Because it does something you are willing to pay money for. Besides, the tiny screen isn't such a barrier if the application is designed right.

    Pinch to zoom makes a big difference too.

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:14

    ok. washington post article, some app store info for you:

    - estimated 25 million to 60 million of the billion apps downloaded thus far were paid for.

    - using an online survey the median price per app was $2.65. that equals revenue in the range of $70 to $160 million.

    - $50 million to $115 million goes to the developers.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:14

    *keeps poking*

    So, people won't pay for a richer experience from a web page, but are happy to pay for a less-useful, but portable iphone app?

    Which, I should add, will get buried amongst the 10000s of other apps in a matter of days.

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:14

    You will get far more data! {Comment #1125}

    Will I? That will make me a very happy blogger :D

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:15

    So, people won't pay for a richer experience from a web page, but are happy to pay for a less-useful, but portable iphone app?

    i don't make the rules. i'm just saying, if bernie could make money off of the web, he would've done so already.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:16

    - estimated 25 million to 60 million of the billion apps downloaded thus far were paid for.

    - using an online survey the median price per app was $2.65. that equals revenue in the range of $70 to $160 million.

    - $50 million to $115 million goes to the developers.

    Yep, and I wasn't saying people are not paying for apps. But, are they using them (returning to them), and how widely is this money being shared?

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:16

    i don't make the rules. i'm just saying, if bernie could make money off of the web, he would've done so already.

    Oh, now don't get me started on THAT one! (Live TV anyone???!!)

  • Andy Taylor11/06/2009 at 23:17

    So, people won't pay for a richer experience from a web page, but are happy to pay for a less-useful, but portable iphone app?

    I know, crazy isn't it?

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:17

    but you need to be sat in front of a screen to watch f1, i suppose it is a good replacement if you can't see it, but then again its for hardcore fans who are unlikely to miss a race...

    who was it who commented earlier, that they watched qualifying using the iphone app, whilst shopping in the supermarket?

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:17

    who was it who commented earlier, that they watched qualifying using the iphone app, whilst shopping in the supermarket?

    Really? How?

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:18

    Yep, and I wasn't saying people are not paying for apps. But, are they using them (returning to them), and how widely is this money being shared?

    i return to my apps. i was playing sonic whilst sitting in a traffic jam this evening. the money i've paid for the apps i own has been more than worth it to me.

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:18

    Really? How?

    the f1 app shows the cars on track in realtime. hold on i'll dig out the comment.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:18

    i return to my apps. i was playing sonic whilst sitting in a traffic jam this evening. the money i've paid for the apps i own has been more than worth it to me.

    lol whilst driving?

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:19

    lol whilst driving?

    i was stopped. but i was in the driving seat, yeah.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:19

    the f1 app shows the cars on track in realtime. hold on i'll dig out the comment.

    Cool. ;-)

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:20

    Really? How?

    the f1 app shows the cars on track in realtime. hold on i'll dig out the comment.

    comment from jay:

    "I watched the Qualifying while shopping, made it interesting"

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:20

    "I watched the Qualifying while shopping, made it interesting"

    Do you know the app name?

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:21

    Do you know the app name?

    you haven't read our post on it?

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/06/09/theres-an-official-formula-1-iphone-app-and-it-rocks/

    links are in there.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:22

    Sigh, ok I'll take my Steven Roy hat off, but I still don't get the effort put in to these little apps. It gives a lesser experience and costs me much more in data costs for one.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:22

    you haven't read our post on it?

    Oh, right yep.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:23

    you haven't read our post on it?

    Oh, right yep.

    Its one of the best posts ever... I feature in it :P

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:24

    Sigh, ok I'll take my Steven Roy hat off, but I still don't get the effort put in to these little apps. It gives a lesser experience and costs me much more in data costs for one.

    depends what you call experience i guess. i don't own a touch screen tablet pc, so the ipod touch offers a better experience in some ways.

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:24

    Its one of the best posts ever... I feature in it :P

    :D

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:24

    On a side note, James Allen sums up the FIA/FOTA thing well

    "The plan would then entail FIA looking at FOTA’s proposals for next year. This looks to me like Mosley’s way of saying, “We can give you want, but I need a win from this.”"

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:25

    depends what you call experience i guess. i don't own a touch screen tablet pc, so the ipod touch offers a better experience in some ways.

    Well, when I watch a race, I have the live stream, comments and live timing. It's hard enought to fit all that on my laptop screen. It's such a releif to watch a TV replay on the proper wide-screen TV

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 23:25

    Sigh, ok I'll take my Steven Roy hat off, but I still don't get the effort put in to these little apps. It gives a lesser experience and costs me much more in data costs for one.

    I don't understand that comment

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:26

    On a side note, James Allen sums up the FIA/FOTA thing well

    Its good to know his mind is about 10 days behind mine...

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:26

    Well, when I watch a race, I have the live stream, comments and live timing. It's hard enought to fit all that on my laptop screen. It's such a releif to watch a TV replay on the proper wide-screen TV

    yeah, we do have the same problem. and it's only getting more and more cluttered.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:27

    I don't understand that comment

    oops. Where did you come from?

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:27

    Its good to know his mind is about 10 days behind mine...

    He's probably too busy thinking of scripts for F1 photo narration

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:27

    alledgedly this is piquet's car:

    http://twitpic.com/75j20

    but given the speed, i'm assuming he's alonso's passenger.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 23:28

    Sounds like Ollie's visit to Monaco is not all fun

    ...I slipped and fell on the rocks by the harbour. Monaco hospital is nice tho. Also have teeth trauma that needs attention.

    Yeah I'm cool. Stitches are no problem. A back tooth isn't feeling too great right now. I think it's split. Not in pain tho.

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 23:28

    oops. Where did you come from?

    I am always here

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:29

    He's probably too busy thinking of scripts for F1 photo narration

    I was being sarcastic, but seriously, doesn't "max needs to look like he's won" go without saying?

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:29

    ...I slipped and fell on the rocks by the harbour. Monaco hospital is nice tho. Also have teeth trauma that needs attention.

    wha??

    Yeah I'm cool. Stitches are no problem. A back tooth isn't feeling too great right now. I think it's split. Not in pain tho.

    oh damn.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:29

    but given the speed, i'm assuming he's alonso's passenger.

    That's only a wee bit over 110mph, he might be alright if he sticks to the straight bits

  • Lukeh11/06/2009 at 23:29

    alledgedly this is piquet's car:

    is he.... is he twittering whilst driving?

    is that where he's been going wrong?

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:30

    Notes to self:

    Dont get in argument with Steven Roy

    Dont make joke at Steven Roy's expense

    .......

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:30

    oh damn.

    Yeah, poor Ollie

    Check out his facial bandagery

  • lou11/06/2009 at 23:30

    Sounds like Ollie's visit to Monaco is not all fun

    ...I slipped and fell on the rocks by the harbour. Monaco hospital is nice tho. Also have teeth trauma that needs attention.

    Yeah I'm cool. Stitches are no problem. A back tooth isn't feeling too great right now. I think it's split. Not in pain tho.

    ouch :( poor ollie

  • Steven Roy11/06/2009 at 23:31

    I just opened tweetdeck and he was talking to RG two hors ago

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:31

    is he.... is he twittering whilst driving?

    twitterwheel strikes again...

    Dont people get arrested for doing that?

    i can see flav chucking gold bricks at his tweetdeck... Still makes a change Lewham's "drive safe on the streets kids..."

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:31

    Check out his facial bandagery

    it's official... outside = bad.

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:31

    I was being sarcastic, but seriously, doesn't "max needs to look like he's won" go without saying?

    Don't forget JA was the king of stating the obvious

    [The times for this session don't count for Qualy 3!]

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:32

    Awfully quiet round here… {Comment #506}

    At that point I was looking in second-hand bookshops for books, waiting for teatime and an exam. (Both went well, by the way).

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:32

    it's official... outside = bad.

    :D

    So is clambering over rocks after a night out on the town

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:33

    At that point I was looking in second-hand bookshops for books, waiting for teatime and an exam. (Both went well, by the way).

    Good for you Alia

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:33

    So is clambering over rocks after a night out on the town

    did you lead... him... astray?

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:34

    did you lead... him... astray?

    No, I save that for you ;)

  • me11/06/2009 at 23:35

    No, I save that for you ;)

    hehe.

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:35

    Don't forget JA was the king of stating the obvious

    And he gets to write for the financial times...

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:36

    Watching a Zandvoort track guide with Renger Van Der Zande

    “Try to destroy your Formula 3 car here and you will be the quickest….” {Comment #523}

    I'm glad I don't have Renger's repair bill!

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:40

    Have you always been able to edit comments in ye olde commenting?

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:40

    Have you always been able to edit comments in ye olde commenting?

    Think so, for a while at least

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:41

    Think so, for a while at least

    strangely that's the only time i have noticed the edit button come up, could be useful with this keyboard!

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:46

    are there others? {Comment #590}

    We're (the UK) excellent at sailing - Ben Ainslie and Paul Goodison regularly get gold medals at the Olympics in it. They're usually joined in the medal charts by several other good British sailors, according to which classes are in fashion with the IOC each decade.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:47

    We're (the UK) excellent at sailing - Ben Ainslie and Paul Goodison regularly get gold medals at the Olympics in it. They're usually joined in the medal charts by several other good British sailors, according to which classes are in fashion with the IOC each decade.

    Right behind the Aussis and NZers

    *ducks*

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:49

    Right behind the Aussis and NZers

    Bwahahahaha...

  • Andy Taylor11/06/2009 at 23:54

    Right behind the Aussis and NZers

    If the UK sailors win Gold medals, then the only reason they'd be behind their antipodean competitors would be if they were racing a circuit and coming up to lap them.

  • Paul11/06/2009 at 23:55

    If the UK sailors win Gold medals, then the only reason they'd be behind their antipodean competitors would be if they were racing a circuit and coming up to lap them.

    oooooooo ;-)

  • Nick11/06/2009 at 23:55

    If the UK sailors win Gold medals, then the only reason they'd be behind their antipodean competitors would be if they were racing a circuit and coming up to lap them.

    I was going to make a comment about waving blue flags, and the irony that their flags were mostly blue, but it didnt quite come together...

  • Bassano Clapper11/06/2009 at 23:55

    Woah, surely the Brawnmower of the future

  • Alianora La Canta11/06/2009 at 23:56

    Who’s going to pay the €50 fine?

    what fine? {Comment #633}

    The €50m bond the remaining FOTA members have with each other to ensure they act in a united fashion.

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:01

    I think max has 3 options if no agrement is made tonight. {Comment #650}

    According to the regulations, Max can't pick 2) (pick 'n' mix FOTA teams) or 3) (do an admittance-for-compromise deal) because that would mean allowing conditional entries at the point of entering the list. He can only do 1) (bar all FOTA teams) or 4) (agreeing to change enough stuff to allow a FOTA unconditional). Even then, the valid unconditional entries get priority (including Williams but not Force India).

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 00:04

    According to the regulations,).

    When was the last time they mattered ;)

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 00:05

    When was the last time they mattered ;)

    2006?

  • Andy Taylor12/06/2009 at 00:06

    When was the last time they mattered ;)

    The last time Max needed them to get his way.

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 00:07

    The last time Max needed them to get his way.

    Pretty much sums up how they have been used under his reign... So they haven't really mattered at any point, they aren't regulations, they are a tool.

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 00:08

    2006?

    I would also have accepted Melboune 09, spa 08 god, when was the last time they made sense?

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 00:16

    when was the last time they made sense?

    Probably when the concord was still in place

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 00:17

    Probably when the concord was still in place

    True

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:19

    McNish takes pole {Comment #863}

    Excellent! Allan McNish is really good at this sportscar stuff. Franck performed very well, too.

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 00:20

    Excellent! Allan McNish is really good at this sportscar stuff. Franck performed very well, too.

    Didn't Sarrazin beat him?

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:21

    When was the last time they mattered {Comment #1196}

    They usually do. It's only when some power-drunk fool decides to ignore them that they don't... ...oh dear.

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 00:22

    Didn't Sarrazin beat him?

    Old Frackanack had a broken leg though...

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:24

    One of my followers on Twitter has been suspended (I think it may have been a spam entry but I'm not sure). I asked to look up possible reasons in the help section and Twitter reported that the possible reasons had been deleted! Very strange...

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:26

    Didn’t Sarrazin beat him? {Comment #1206}

    Considering Franck has a broken leg, anywhere in the top half of the field constitutes a good performance...

  • Steven Roy12/06/2009 at 00:28

    Didn't Sarrazin beat him?

    Alianora is reading through the comments so I guess she has reach the end of the first quali session

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 00:30

    Alianora is reading through the comments so I guess she has reach the end of the first quali session

    you really *are* always around aren't you?

  • Steven Roy12/06/2009 at 00:32

    you really *are* always around aren't you?

    Of course

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:33

    Vaninna Icxx (or however you spell it) IS TINY!!! {Comment #922}

    The spelling is Vanina, but that was a good attempt.

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:34

    Alianora is reading through the comments so I guess she has reach the end of the first quali session {Comment #1209}

    Correct. This post trawling is fun :)

  • Journeyer12/06/2009 at 00:38

    JA's last tweet from yesterday:

    Entry list for 2010 F1 world championship should be published mid-morning. Sources say around 10am UK time.

    So - will Max decide to keep FOTA off the list? Somehow... I actually don't see him having the gall to do it...

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 00:43

    Peugoat number 8 gets pole with Sarrazin with a time of 3:22.888

    7.112 seconds faster than the times the ACO wanted. {Comment #1042}

    Ah. Now Comment #1204 makes sense...

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 01:07

    Good for you Alia {Comment #1178}

    Thank you Bassano! I'm hoping that this time I've nailed the distinction which eluded me in Easter.

  • Alianora La Canta12/06/2009 at 01:09

    So - will Max decide to keep FOTA off the list? Somehow… I actually don’t see him having the gall to do it… {Comment #1214}

    Unfortunately I can very much see him doing that. Maybe if I go to bed I'll feel more positive by the time 10am rolls round...

  • Journeyer12/06/2009 at 01:15

    Unfortunately I can very much see him doing that. Maybe if I go to bed I'll feel more positive by the time 10am rolls round...

    I guess it's a question of how he thinks people will react. Assuming he cares at all, of course.

    If the other teams aren't on the entry list, he's basically closed off any avenues for negotiation - which may not be ideal for him if the teams have a Plan B - which they should have.

  • Journeyer12/06/2009 at 01:19

    If the other teams aren't on the entry list, he's basically closed off any avenues for negotiation - which may not be ideal for him if the teams have a Plan B - which they should have.

    Especially considering Le Mans has an open door for them... The manufacturers (esp. Ferrari) would be what they need to energize the Le Mans Series.

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 01:22

    Especially considering Le Mans has an open door for them... The manufacturers (esp. Ferrari) would be what they need to energize the Le Mans Series.

    I watched Le Mans for the first time today, and as a refuge for an f1 breakaway i don't think it stands a chance. Maybe if it was just on class racing it would be incredible. but with so many cars doing so many different things all at different speeds, casual viewers simply wont watch it.

  • Journeyer12/06/2009 at 01:25

    I watched Le Mans for the first time today, and as a refuge for an f1 breakaway i don't think it stands a chance. Maybe if it was just on class racing it would be incredible. but with so many cars doing so many different things all at different speeds, casual viewers simply wont watch it.

    Why not? I actually like the different classes of racing - gives me a bit of variety. So even if LMP1 gets a bit boring, I can always switch to GT2.

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 01:26

    Why not? I actually like the different classes of racing - gives me a bit of variety. So even if LMP1 gets a bit boring, I can always switch to GT2.

    Yeah I agree, although I am a fan. That's the thing i miss most from touring cars is the various classes.

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 01:32

    Why not? I actually like the different classes of racing - gives me a bit of variety. So even if LMP1 gets a bit boring, I can always switch to GT2.

    You are a motoraporsts fan though, what f1 and nascar do that sets them apart from other series is to attract the casual viewer, which in turn attracts big sponsors and tv money, which in turn brings the best people to the sport, which eventually brings the prestige. Ferrari would probably only get marginally more brand prestige entering an unwatched LMS as they would in GP2

  • Steven Roy12/06/2009 at 01:46

    You are a motoraporsts fan though, what f1 and nascar do that sets them apart from other series is to attract the casual viewer, which in turn attracts big sponsors and tv money, which in turn brings the best people to the sport, which eventually brings the prestige. Ferrari would probably only get marginally more brand prestige entering an unwatched LMS as they would in GP2

    The winner of Le Mans is on every news program in the world and in every newspaper. On that day everyone knows who won it. No-one outside fans knows GP2 exists. You also have to bear in mind there was a time when Le Mans and sportscars was as big as F1. If the top F1 teams switched it would be again.

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 01:50

    The winner of Le Mans is on every news program in the world and in every newspaper. On that day everyone knows who won it. No-one outside fans knows GP2 exists. You also have to bear in mind there was a time when Le Mans and sportscars was as big as F1. If the top F1 teams switched it would be again.

    It could be, but only if one series was on the track at a time. Casual viewrs are confused by qualifying formats, needing to use 2 different types of tyre and by blue flags. having 2 races getting in the way of each other is no way to present something. Its far to disorganised to be a major series, The teams would be better off starting their own with similar rules and maybe entering Le Mans once a year if there was enough demand for it.

  • Steven Roy12/06/2009 at 01:53

    It could be, but only if one series was on the track at a time. Casual viewrs are confused by qualifying formats, needing to use 2 different types of tyre and by blue flags. having 2 races getting in the way of each other is no way to present something. Its far to disorganised to be a major series, The teams would be better off starting their own with similar rules and maybe entering Le Mans once a year if there was enough demand for it.

    In the 60s and 70s sportscar racing was huge. At least as big as F1 and the class structure then was a lot more confusing.

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 01:55

    In the 60s and 70s sportscar racing was huge. At least as big as F1 and the class structure then was a lot more confusing.

    That was before reality TV and Twitter. People's brains have turned to mush

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 01:59

    In the 60s and 70s sportscar racing was huge. At least as big as F1 and the class structure then was a lot more confusing.

    That may be true, but people are far more casual in their viewing now, the majority of people will not have the patience to actualy have to think about what is going on. There is a reason hundreds of millions more people will have watched the Monaco grand Prix than will see even a glimpse of track action at Le Mans. Its presentation. I had a vague idea of what was going on, and i still found it confusing. Its a great sport for fans of it, but it wont go mass market unless it is presented in a more conventional manner with separate events.

  • Steven Roy12/06/2009 at 02:00

    That was before reality TV and Twitter. People's brains have turned to mush

    It would all depend on the TV coverage. Personally i would prefer if they would write the rules in a way that allowed all the teams to run in one class but that is not going to happen. Good TV coverage could make it facinating. I know everyone on this site is a fan so it is different but until this time last yeat most of them had never watched sportscars or had the slightest interest in them. This year some of those same people are talking about sitting up for 24 hours straight to watch the whole race.

  • Journeyer12/06/2009 at 02:04

    It would all depend on the TV coverage. Personally i would prefer if they would write the rules in a way that allowed all the teams to run in one class but that is not going to happen. Good TV coverage could make it facinating. I know everyone on this site is a fan so it is different but until this time last yeat most of them had never watched sportscars or had the slightest interest in them. This year some of those same people are talking about sitting up for 24 hours straight to watch the whole race.

    Steven makes a very good point there. And I think that's huge credit to people like Montagny (who isn't just Christine's crush - he's mighty at the wheel too) and McNish (in particular, I remember his epic comeback at last year's Petit Le Mans).

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 02:08

    LMP1 cars look awesome, and racing on their own they would be able to compete with f1 if the big teams moved over. perhaps they could do the 24 hrs with the other classes, but for the series to be successful on the global stage it needs to be independent of the others.

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 02:08

    It would all depend on the TV coverage. Personally i would prefer if they would write the rules in a way that allowed all the teams to run in one class but that is not going to happen. Good TV coverage could make it facinating. I know everyone on this site is a fan so it is different but until this time last yeat most of them had never watched sportscars or had the slightest interest in them. This year some of those same people are talking about sitting up for 24 hours straight to watch the whole race.

    I love it, but again, preaching to the converted.

    I fear the general public is so used to pre-packaged bites these days, that it's too hard to watch something a little more complicated. Touring cars here is a classic example, which has been whittled away to a 2-car event with identical performance. Then all you have to watch is the different colours.

  • Steven Roy12/06/2009 at 02:15

    LMP1 cars look awesome, and racing on their own they would be able to compete with f1 if the big teams moved over. perhaps they could do the 24 hrs with the other classes, but for the series to be successful on the global stage it needs to be independent of the others.

    They would lose Le Mans if they did that. The ACO won't give away power and if you have a permanent field like F1 then the teams would want more control. So long as there are multiple classes and manufacturers arriving then leaving after a few years they maintain control

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 02:21

    They would lose Le Mans if they did that. The ACO won't give away power and if you have a permanent field like F1 then the teams would want more control. So long as there are multiple classes and manufacturers arriving then leaving after a few years they maintain control

    True, but if the teams leave f1 i suspect they will want to gain controll of wherever they move too, avoiding being uprooted by another power hungry max character will be a key goal.

    Pretty much every successful sporting organisation in the world is partly owned by its competitors, from NFL to the premier league, the concept needs to come to motorsport.

    Its been an interesting debate, but i must retire for the night. Cheers guys!

  • Paul12/06/2009 at 02:23

    Night Nick

  • Journeyer12/06/2009 at 02:24

    Its been an interesting debate, but i must retire for the night. Cheers guys!

    G'night, Nick. Cheers! :D

  • Nick12/06/2009 at 11:11

    Williams mugging off FOTA http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76049

    not really, but you could read it that way.