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Good morning Sidepodworld!

Breaking news! Sebastian Vettel didn't win yesterday. Shame. I hope he'll get back again to the first place in two weeks. Yes, I am a Red Bull fan, any problem? Well... finally Alonso was the one who reached success at Silverstone.

The Spaniard took advantage of Ferrari's improvements and the new regulations, but anyway he showed a great race pace during his last stint. Great and deserved victory (ouch, that hurts me), so congratulations.

Talking about McLaren, I think it was a weekend to forget (except Lewis' race).

I like this team, it's nice to see them running at the front, but yesterday was not the case. Jenson Button had to walk back to his box after a pit-stop human failure (poor mechanic, all the cameras in the world were focused on him), and then Hamilton managed to finish fourth. He did a brilliant race, starting tenth and finishing six places ahead, and he could slow Vettel for some laps (Grrrrr....), so good for him.

Now let's take a look at some photos...

I guess that must be all...
 Have a great monday :)

332 responses

  • Mr C10/07/2011 at 23:08

    hullo brand new day!

    no sure if this has been posted anywhere, but this is the after-race crowd at silverstone: http://twitpic.com/5o9gjq

    crazy numbers!

  • Jordan F110/07/2011 at 23:17

    Yesterday's Toronto Indycar race was awesome. So many vehicles on two wheels that I thought I was watching a motorcycle race....!

  • Mr C10/07/2011 at 23:19

    Yesterday's Toronto Indycar race was awesome. So many vehicles on two wheels that I thought I was watching a motorcycle race....!

    hehe, sorry i missed it.

  • Mr C10/07/2011 at 23:38

    am off to bed to drink wine and read gp+

    if i find any revelations i'll comment them, if not it'll catch up in the morning. cheers to marti for writing the daily. love the silverstone panda!

  • Steven Roy10/07/2011 at 23:39

    am off to bed to drink wine and read gp+

    Night

  • Leigh O'Gorman10/07/2011 at 23:40

    It's nice when Will Power agrees with me

    :)

    @TheF1Archive: race could have been much better had several drivers used their heads"

    @WillPower12: totally in agreement!

  • Sidepodcast Update10/07/2011 at 23:45
  • Leigh O'Gorman10/07/2011 at 23:58

    Ahhhhh.... here we go...

    @12WillPower: hey princess (@dariofranchitti) thanks for that nice tap today--appreciate it

    @dariofranchitti: Hey @12WillPower check out the replay then give me a yell....

    @12WillPower: I did watch it and could not have raced you any cleaner----P****D

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 03:01

    Garfield! :D Good choice of image, Marti. :)

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 04:36

    Non-UK video of Ted from the pits.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cXbOrS8Dts

    The best exchange is at the end.

    Ted: "I won't be around for the next couple of races at the track."

    Crowd: "Awww!"

    Ted: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because... I'm having a baby with my wife."

    Crowd: "Yaaay!"

    Ted: "Yes, yes, yes. She's a daughter, she's very nice."

    :D

  • Sidepodcast Update11/07/2011 at 05:45
  • Kai11/07/2011 at 08:01

    Good morning.

    Anyone know what this is about?

    @ManipeF1 Manipe F1

    Back at base after a superb Silverstone weekend. Conclusions after Sunday seem to be that Webber is going to depart RBR, prob for Ren. #F1

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:04

    Morning all

    @ManipeF1 Manipe F1

    Back at base after a superb Silverstone weekend. Conclusions after Sunday seem to be that Webber is going to depart RBR, prob for Ren. #F1

    That kind of fits, but Webber may never win again if he does move. He must know that

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:04

    Anyone know what this is about?

    Well, that's the easy question, isn't it? The harder question is, when?

    And, just as I thought Joe would be wrong (pre-race chatter was that Webber would stay on at RBR next year), yesterday's events mean he may end up being right anyway. ;)

    For the record, Joe said Webber would leave RBR to be replaced with Ricciardo. I think Mark will advise Dan to be cautious in dealing with Team Marko.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:05

    That kind of fits, but Webber may never win again if he does move. He must know that

    We said that of Barrichello - look how that turned out.

    For the record, though, Webber should only move out of RBR if a seat opens up at Maranello (if Massa continues to disappoint). Otherwise, he'd be better off staying - especially given Renault has been on a serious downturn as of late.

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:05

    For the record, Joe said Webber would leave RBR to be replaced with Ricciardo. I think Mark will advise Dan to be cautious in dealing with Team Marko.

    Disco Dan is a big part of Team Marko. I sure Ricciardo knows the score and he knows he'll need to perform

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:06

    We said that of Barrichello - look how that turned out.

    Well, yeah, Rubens struggling to even nail points at the minute

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:07

    Disco Dan is a big part of Team Marko. I sure Ricciardo knows the score and he knows he'll need to perform

    Well, yes, but Marko can't have two #1 drivers at the same time, can he? You can't have two partners in life, after all. ;) :D

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:07

    Back at base after a superb Silverstone weekend. Conclusions after Sunday seem to be that Webber is going to depart RBR, prob for Ren. #F1

    Nah, he will stay. People read far too much into his enjoyment of kicking up a fuss.

    Anyone remember "Not bad for a number 2 driver"

    Apparently he signed a deal this weekend

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:07

    Nah, he will stay. People read far too much into his enjoyment of kicking up a fuss.

    Didn't I say directly after the race that he had just signed a contract for 2012?

    ;)

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:08

    If he goes anywhere i think it will be ferrari, but i doubt he will leave

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:08

    Well, yeah, Rubens struggling to even nail points at the minute

    Well, yes, but he left Ferrari for Honda - and we all thought he'd never win again. But he put together a strong title campaign in 2009.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:09

    Didn't I say directly after the race that he had just signed a contract for 2012?

    Both sides would love to tear that up after that race. :D So that won't be an issue. ;)

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:09

    Didn't I say directly after the race that he had just signed a contract for 2012?

    hehe, its a lot easier to slag the team off like that if they need to pay you off to get rid of you :)

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:10

    hehe, its a lot easier to slag the team off like that if they need to pay you off to get rid of you :)

    Very good point. In other words, who wants to get out more, RBR or Webber?

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:10

    Didn't I say directly after the race that he had just signed a contract for 2012?

    On another note, if they really intended to keep Webber on for 2012, then what was the point of buying a seat for Disco Dan at HRT if they could've just booted Buemi or Alguesuari?

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:11

    Both sides would love to tear that up after that race. :D So that won't be an issue. ;)

    Its just a load of bluster. Horner will get slated for it, but its probably more mark trying to keep mr marko away from descions.

    Horner even said "It wasnt my descison, it was the teams" to ted straight after the race

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:12

    On another note, if they really intended to keep Webber on for 2012, then what was the point of buying a seat for Disco Dan at HRT if they could've just booted Buemi or Alguesuari?

    I'm not sure either Buemi or Alguersuari are on Toro Rosso's long term. Enter Jean-Eric Vergne with an experienced hand?

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:13

    On another note, if they really intended to keep Webber on for 2012, then what was the point of buying a seat for Disco Dan at HRT if they could've just booted Buemi or Alguesuari?

    Maybe he had a contract for a race seat for part of this year?

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 08:14

    I'm not sure either Buemi or Alguersuari are on Toro Rosso's long term. Enter Jean-Eric Vergne with an experienced hand?

    Yay, Jules!

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:16

    Both sides would love to tear that up after that race. :D So that won't be an issue. ;)

    Its just a load of bluster. Horner will get slated for it, but its probably more mark trying to keep mr marko away from descions.

    Horner even said "It wasnt my descison, it was the teams" to ted straight after the race

    But Mark has less leverage now than in 2009 - he's not performing as well as he used to, so he's more... expendable. If they didn't do it for Webber then, why would they do it for him now?

    And, Horner, you ARE the team, dangit! You're team principal for a reason. :P

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:17

    Yay, Jules!

    ...and congrats to Bianchi for finally winning at the weekend. He needed that.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:17

    I'm not sure either Buemi or Alguersuari are on Toro Rosso's long term. Enter Jean-Eric Vergne with an experienced hand?

    Vergne will definitely be coming in soon. I'm not sure if drafting him next year is their original plan - that may be a touch early. But if Ricciardo does move up, they may decide to speed up their plans for Vergne.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:17

    Maybe he had a contract for a race seat for part of this year?

    Perhaps he did. Good point, that.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:18

    Yay, Jules!

    Bianchi? :D

    ...and congrats to Bianchi for finally winning at the weekend. He needed that.

    Saw the lead battle on YT yesterday - it was mega.

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 08:19

    Ted: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because... I'm having a baby with my wife."

    what is in the water down there at 5Live!

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 08:20

    Nah, he will stay. People read far too much into his enjoyment of kicking up a fuss.

    perhaps hes off to enjoy his new house. it looks very nice. I wonder if he'll let me swim in his pool.

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:21

    Ted: "Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because... I'm having a baby with my wife."

    what is in the water down there at 5Live!

    It sounded like She had already been born, but he didnt want to take his paternity leave when the british GP was on!

    :D

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 08:21

    It sounded like She had already been born, but he didnt want to take his paternity leave when the british GP was on!

    Sensible chap.

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:22

    perhaps hes off to enjoy his new house. it looks very nice. I wonder if he'll let me swim in his pool.

    Didnt realize you were a fan of the sunshine coast daily too! ;)

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 08:23

    Didnt realize you were a fan of the sunshine coast daily too! ;)

    can't say i've ever looked at it before or will again :)

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:25

    can't say i've ever looked at it before or will again :)

    It a bit of a sensationalist rag

    ..but where else would you get a picture of people going 'hmmmm, how cold is it? It isnt warm'

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 08:26

    ..but where else would you get a picture of people going 'hmmmm, how cold is it? It isnt warm'

    I enjoy saying Maroochydore.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:27

    what is in the water down there at 5Live!

    just Ted and Ant, no? anyone else having babies?

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:28

    It sounded like She had already been born, but he didnt want to take his paternity leave when the british GP was on!

    Sensible chap.

    Indeed. :)

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:29

    perhaps hes off to enjoy his new house. it looks very nice. I wonder if he'll let me swim in his pool.

    Yowza, that's a beauty of a house. Lots of greenery for his dogs to roam, too.

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:29

    I enjoy saying Maroochydore.

    It is in Maroochyshire

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 08:30

    On another note, if they really intended to keep Webber on for 2012, then what was the point of buying a seat for Disco Dan at HRT if they could've just booted Buemi or Alguesuari?

    maybe the HRT deal was a really good one for Red Bull (value for money). and frankly at the moment it is hard for them to choose between JA and SB.

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 08:31

    just Ted and Ant, no? anyone else having babies?

    two is still a pretty high proportion :D

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 08:32

    just Ted and Ant, no? anyone else having babies?

    Beckham :-)

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 08:32

    If he goes anywhere i think it will be ferrari, but i doubt he will leave

    Can't see him playing second fiddle to Alonso. Out of of the frying pan...

    Morning all

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:33

    If he goes anywhere i think it will be ferrari, but i doubt he will leave

    Can't see him playing second fiddle to Alonso. Out of of the frying pan...

    Morning all

    But I can see Alonso deciding to let Webber have a fair crack at him, them being buddies and all. It's more likely, anyway.

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 08:33

    Apparently he signed a deal this weekend

    Where d'ya hear that?

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:33

    And morning, Bassano. :)

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 08:35

    hehe, its a lot easier to slag the team off like that if they need to pay you off to get rid of you :)

    hm, I can't say I agree with those team orders yesterday as they were kind of unnecessary. but what I disagree with even more is what Webber did - deliberately ignoring the instructions from the team, defying them even and then washing the dirty laundry in the public ... if this happened within my company the staff doing would be shown the direction of the door ...

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 08:36

    But I can see Alonso deciding to let Webber have a fair crack at him, them being buddies and all. It's more likely, anyway.

    Hmm, I'm not so sure. It's easier being buddies when your car has a different livery

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:36

    hm, I can't say I agree with those team orders yesterday as they were kind of unnecessary. but what I disagree with even more is what Webber did - deliberately ignoring the instructions from the team, defying them even and then washing the dirty laundry in the public ... if this happened within my company the staff doing would be shown the direction of the door ...

    He tried settling it in private last year... and it hasn't seemed to work, has it?

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:37

    Hmm, I'm not so sure. It's easier being buddies when your car has a different livery

    Fair point.

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 08:38

    He tried settling it in private last year... and it hasn't seemed to work, has it?

    well, who is keeping him ?

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:39

    He tried settling it in private last year... and it hasn't seemed to work, has it?

    well, who is keeping him ?

    Well, he may be on his way out... to Enstone, apparently.

    Also, RBR always seem to pull these stunts off right after they confirm the contract. That was what happened in Turkey last year, anyway.

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:39

    He tried settling it in private last year... and it hasn't seemed to work, has it?

    Did he? Webber was constantly vocal about it last year.

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 08:40

    He tried settling it in private last year... and it hasn't seemed to work, has it?

    I understand that he is in the situation that is not exactly simple and easy to handle but at the end the team pays him, he has to do what they ask him to do. if he does not like all he needs to do is leave, there sure would not be shortage of applicants for that vacancy ...

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:41

    Did he? Webber was constantly vocal about it last year.

    Nothing like the level of this year's. He didn't really complain in Turkey, then did nothing more than slam down a glass of water at Silverstone.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 08:42

    I understand that he is in the situation that is not exactly simple and easy to handle but at the end the team pays him, he has to do what they ask him to do. if he does not like all he needs to do is leave, there sure would not be shortage of applicants for that vacancy ...

    Complaining in public can be an effective negotiating tactic in F1 - the best examples of which were Mansell and Senna.

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 08:45

    Complaining in public can be an effective negotiating tactic in F1 - the best examples of which were Mansell and Senna.

    not sure if this is the best tactics in case he wants to continue with Red Bull. maybe I do not see what he can see but it does not look like he has the upper hand at the moment ...

  • Marti11/07/2011 at 08:51

    Good morning world :)

    How are you?

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:57

    Where d'ya hear that?

    Jimbobjamallen mentioned it at the end of this post, sure i saw some tweets floating around saying the same thing

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/07/red-bull-let-the-drivers-race-or-do-they/

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 08:58

    Nice post from Spurgeon about moving and reassembling teams in F1 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/09/sports/autoracing/09iht-SRPRIX09.html?_r=1

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 08:59

    Ooohher

    @emmofittipaldi is on the twitterage

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 09:01

    page 41 GP+ mag - any idea who (pro-Bernie journo) is the target of that outburst ?

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 09:03

    page 41 GP+ mag - any idea who (pro-Bernie journo) is the target of that outburst ?

    I haven't read it yet, but is it another swipe at Pitpass or is it a knock towards an actual journalist?

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 09:04

    I haven't read it yet, but is it another swipe at Pitpass or is it a knock towards an actual journalist?

    actual person

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 09:04

    page 41 GP+ mag - any idea who (pro-Bernie journo) is the target of that outburst ?

    Havent opened mine yet, but i would guess chris sylt of Buspass

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 09:04

    actual person

    Uh-huh

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 09:07

    actual person

    "scribe in question", "this lad", "compliant and unquestioning" - among the words used to describe the person

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 09:09

    "scribe in question", "this lad", "compliant and unquestioning" - among the words used to describe the person

    Sounds like him

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 09:11

    oh, Tony Fernandes is going to do Apprentice Asia ...

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 09:15

    Sounds like him

    Definatly Chris Sylt,

    Interesting that the times paywall has stopped him using them

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 09:23

    Interesting that the times paywall has stopped him using them

    not often can one see such an attack on fellow journalist I must say ...

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 09:25

    not often can one see such an attack on fellow journalist I must say ...

    Joe gave him both barrels a week or 2 back

  • Marti11/07/2011 at 09:28

    I've got a new neighbour! http://www.flickr.com/photos/martimunoz/5925068333/

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 09:37

    I've got a new neighbour! www.flickr.com/ph…munoz/5925068333/

    Nice!

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 10:26

    Where d'ya hear that?

    Jimbobjamallen mentioned it at the end of this post, sure i saw some tweets floating around saying the same thing

    www.jamesallenonf…-race-or-do-they/

    Oh ok. He's dead to me so I'll take it with a pinch of salt :)

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 10:33

    Oh ok. He's dead to me so I'll take it with a pinch of salt :)

    Joe doesnt really blog GP weekends anymore and Adam cooper seems a bit mental, so really running out of reporting options now beyond EXTRALONGHEADLINES

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 10:36

    Joe doesnt really blog GP weekends anymore and Adam cooper seems a bit mental, so really running out of reporting options now beyond EXTRALONGHEADLINES

    There's so much speculation I tend to not scour the news too much during GP weekends. Facts about on track action only

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 10:36

    I've got a new neighbour! www.flickr.com/ph…munoz/5925068333/

    Come over for a cup of milk? :)

    Beautiful.

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 10:37

    ... and Adam cooper seems a bit mental, so really running out of reporting options now beyond EXTRALONGHEADLINES

    Yeah, I upset him a couple of weeks ago too :)

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 10:38

    Come over for a cup of milk? :)

    No, I'm ok tha... oh, the cat!

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 10:38

    There's so much speculation I tend to not scour the news too much during GP weekends. Facts about on track action only

    It seems to be much more reliable at the race weekends than not now.

    All the rubbish gets quickly denied or clariffied when there are journalists with the press officers. By the time its out its often either been denied or proven

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 10:45

    Uh-huh...

    And the latest person to add their voice to the Will Power / Dario Franchitti war of words from yesterday's IndyCar race is.......

    (drumroll)

    ...Ashley Judd.

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 10:46

    Dario's wife obviously, but (if anyone has seen it), it's all getting a little sad (but in a pathetically funny way)

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 10:47

    I've got a new neighbour! www.flickr.com/ph…munoz/5925068333/

    Remind him/her that lurking can only last for so long. Commenting is expected.

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 10:51

    i've decided this weekend is my weekend for winning lottery. sidepodcast, i'm coming to visit!*

    *when i win.

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 10:53

    Leaving Scotland in a little bit.

    BOOO.

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 10:54

    i've decided this weekend is my weekend for winning lottery. sidepodcast, i'm coming to visit!*

    Apparently, you don't get to decide when you win. Crazy but true.

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 10:55

    BOOO.

    You can always go to wales, I hear scotland is similar but wales has more dragons

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 10:55

    Apparently, you don't get to decide when you win. Crazy but true.

    Ironically you can decide when you dont win though :)

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 10:57

    Bye guys. London bound.

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 10:58

    Apparently, you don't get to decide when you win. Crazy but true.

    but i need $30 million!

  • Amy11/07/2011 at 10:58

    You can always go to wales, I hear scotland is similar but wales has more dragons

    and it has my parents!

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 10:58

    Bye Kai

  • Sidepodcast Update11/07/2011 at 11:45
  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 12:36

    Non-UK video of Ted from the pits.

    The best exchange is at the end.

    Wishing, Ted, his wife and their daughter every happiness :)

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 12:40

    Back at base after a superb Silverstone weekend. Conclusions after Sunday seem to be that Webber is going to depart RBR, prob for Ren. #F1

    @ManipeF1 Manipe F1Back at base after a superb Silverstone weekend. Conclusions after Sunday seem to be that Webber is going to depart RBR, prob for Ren. #F1

    This is why you don't impose No. 2 status without telling the prospective No. 2 and then talk rubbish about it, Christian...

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 12:43

    On another note, if they really intended to keep Webber on for 2012, then what was the point of buying a seat for Disco Dan at HRT if they could've just booted Buemi or Alguesuari?

    There's plenty of time for that to happen. I'd theorise that the substitution will be at the end of the season unless Red Bull gets outbid.

  • Marti11/07/2011 at 12:47

    Hi everyone again :)

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 12:50

    Definatly Chris Sylt,

    Interesting that the times paywall has stopped him using them

    Doesn't he have a library near him he can use?!? UK libraries have an institution-level subscription to The Times, so Chris shouldn't have a problem using them as a source. Baffling...

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 12:50

    Hi everyone again :)

    Hello!

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 12:52

    On another note, if they really intended to keep Webber on for 2012, then what was the point of buying a seat for Disco Dan at HRT if they could've just booted Buemi or Alguesuari?

    There's plenty of time for that to happen. I'd theorise that the substitution will be at the end of the season unless Red Bull gets outbid.

    But as Joe said, surely if they were going to replace someone at STR, they would've done it now? No point delaying it had it been down to that.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 12:56

    But as Joe said, surely if they were going to replace someone at STR, they would've done it now? No point delaying it had it been down to that.

    No point doing it now if they risk backing the wrong horse. After all, one of Buemi or Alguersuari has to be Ricciardo's team-mate if there is no vacancy at Red Bull, else they would either have to accelerate Vergne's programme to a potentially regulation-breaking degree (the clause allowing the Formula 1 Commission to approve a driver without 300 km of F1 test mileage was removed a couple of months back) or - shock horror - install a non-Red Bull driver in the system.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 13:01

    No point doing it now if they risk backing the wrong horse. After all, one of Buemi or Alguersuari has to be Ricciardo's team-mate if there is no vacancy at Red Bull, else they would either have to accelerate Vergne's programme to a potentially regulation-breaking degree (the clause allowing the Formula 1 Commission to approve a driver without 300 km of F1 test mileage was removed a couple of months back) or - shock horror - install a non-Red Bull driver in the system.

    Joe said it would be Ricciardo partnering Vettel at RBR next year, which is why they got him the HRT seat.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 13:02

    Joe said it would be Ricciardo partnering Vettel at RBR next year, which is why they got him the HRT seat.

    That makes no sense. Ricciardo is nowhere near ready for that kind of responsibility. Have they forgotten that they put Vettel through Toro Rosso first?

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 13:02

    Hi all....

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 13:03

    That makes no sense. Ricciardo is nowhere near ready for that kind of responsibility. Have they forgotten that they put Vettel through Toro Rosso first?

    Indeed, but that's Joe's theory, not mine. We'll see who's right...

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 13:06

    Joe doesnt really blog GP weekends anymore and Adam cooper seems a bit mental, so really running out of reporting options now beyond EXTRALONGHEADLINES

    have you tried girlracer.co.uk? kate goes to most races and blogs throughout the weekend: http://www.girlracer.co.uk/

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 13:07

    That makes no sense. Ricciardo is nowhere near ready for that kind of responsibility. Have they forgotten that they put Vettel through Toro Rosso first?

    Lewis managed it at McLaren....it has been done before. Ricciardo will do just fine at RBR

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 13:15

    That makes no sense. Ricciardo is nowhere near ready for that kind of responsibility. Have they forgotten that they put Vettel through Toro Rosso first?

    Lewis managed it at McLaren....it has been done before. Ricciardo will do just fine at RBR

    Good point, that. But Lewis was the exception rather than the rule.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 13:21

    Good point, that. But Lewis was the exception rather than the rule.

    I think Webber made the decision process a whole lot easier yesterday for Red Bull...

    Plus there's another aspect here that maybe overlooked. If you think of Red Bull the brand it conjures up this marketing theme of 'living on the edge'...extreme sports, youthfulnes, and so on....Ricciardo looks like he's fallen off the latest poster for Oakley, O'Neill....all that 'trendy' crowd etc. He has the look, speed, and age required by Red Bull. He's the natural choice for them, take a look at Brendon Hartley..again another kid who had the 'look'...unfortunately for him the speed wasn't there.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 13:23

    Plus there's another aspect here that maybe overlooked. If you think of Red Bull the brand it conjures up this marketing theme of 'living on the edge'...extreme sports, youthfulnes, and so on....Ricciardo looks like he's fallen off the latest poster for Oakley, O'Neill....all that 'trendy' crowd etc. He has the look, speed, and age required by Red Bull. He's the natural choice for them, take a look at Brendon Hartley..again another kid who had the 'look'...unfortunately for him the speed wasn't there.

    It's a very good point, but let's not forget that they had the oldest lineup on the grid in 2007-2008 in Webber and Coulthard.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 13:26

    It's a very good point, but let's not forget that they had the oldest lineup on the grid in 2007-2008 in Webber and Coulthard.

    They did indeed, I do think they're really going for it though across the Brand as a whole and maybe young DR fits into it.

  • Matt G11/07/2011 at 13:47

    Evening All *wave*

    Webber defiantly out of RBR next year, Ricciardo looks as if he's being race blooded as a replacement.

    Was Vettel put in a BMW while under or before a Red Bull contract?

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 13:48

    Was Vettel put in a BMW while under or before a Red Bull contract?

    To replace Kubica, yes.

  • Matt G11/07/2011 at 13:48

    It's a very good point, but let's not forget that they had the oldest lineup on the grid in 2007-2008 in Webber and Coulthard.

    Strategic experienced team while building?

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 13:48

    By the way, hi Matt

    :)

  • Matt G11/07/2011 at 13:49

    at least we keep an aussie in a top team, means it gets SOME media coverage over here...

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 13:59

    oh, that car is in trouble ...

    http://twitter.com/#!/karunchandhok/statuses/90417879467573249

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 14:01

    oh, that car is in trouble ...

    Tell me that's in Brackley.........I recognise the street!

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 14:01

    at least we keep an aussie in a top team, means it gets SOME media coverage over here...

    Hello, Matt, and that is a very good point :)

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 14:02

    Was Vettel put in a BMW while under or before a Red Bull contract?

    I believe Vettel was under a contract with both BMW and Red Bull at that point; BMW for the F1 stuff and Red Bull for the junior series racing. It just so happened Red Bull got the F1 vacancy first and Sebastian took it with BMW's agreement.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 14:04

    Strategic experienced team while building?

    Yes. Also none of the Red Bull scheme drivers were quite ready at that point.

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 14:05

    I believe Vettel was under a contract with both BMW and Red Bull at that point; BMW for the F1 stuff and Red Bull for the junior series racing. It just so happened Red Bull got the F1 vacancy first and Sebastian took it with BMW's agreement.

    yes it was something like that as Red Bull had to get him from BMW when they wanted him to replace Speed in STR

  • Eric the baker11/07/2011 at 14:30

    http://twitter.com/#!/sidepodcast/status/90424380194160640

    And as I misread yesterday, follow along the old man straight behind the old age pensioners. :)

    Seriously though, the FBFB came in VERY useful to me when I had to leave during the middle of the race, came back after and could catch up nicely since I had avoided spoliers.

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 14:32

    Ping-->

    http://theformulaoneandmotorsportsarchive.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/repairing-the-damage-from-toronto/

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 14:59

    Seriously though, the FBFB came in VERY useful to me when I had to leave during the middle of the race, came back after and could catch up nicely since I had avoided spoliers.

    Very glad it was useful :)

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:13

    What really grinds me gears (hee hee) in all this is the way EJ soon changed his tune. Last year he was spitting feathers about Ferrari @ Hockenheim, ranting about how it disenfranchises the fans, it's not proper racing yadda yadda....now it's written into the rules then it's all fair game and what's the fuss.

    I'm usually one of the first to stick up for EJ but yesterday he really hacked me off.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:14

    Anyone think Jake is starting to get a little big for his boots? He's constantly belittling EJ...both him and DC looked at EJ like he was a fool for suggesting Alonso for the win....

    EJ is an idiot at times but I'm starting to get annoyed at the others always ganging up on him.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:16

    Anyone think Jake is starting to get a little big for his boots? He's constantly belittling EJ...both him and DC looked at EJ like he was a fool for suggesting Alonso for the win....

    i'm amazed jake's put up with him for so long. to me he's the weakest member of the bbc team.

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 15:17

    Morning from a Sunny and humid Tundraland eeryone......

    I should check my lotto tiucket. The interest lost on one's days delay for 32 million is really quite noticeable. a rough guess would be about 1,000 dollars per day at 1% compunded yearly.

    (That's enough right there to see the MontreaL gp!)

    Not only that, but just to say to "time to launch Operation Thunderball II". Composed of way too many GP races, stunt flying and scuba diving.....

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:19

    i'm amazed jake's put up with him for so long. to me he's the weakest member of the bbc team.

    I disagree there, The weakest member is Lee Mckenzie....she never really pushes the drivers and it's cringe worthy the eyes she bats for JB.

    I do respect EJ's opinions sometimes and he is an ex team owner. I like the fact he's prepared to say some out there things and doesn't always go for the obvious questions.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:20

    I disagree there, The weakest member is Lee Mckenzie....she never really pushes the drivers and it's cringe worthy the eyes she bats for JB.

    it works though. who did lewis give his infamous "ali g" line to? not ted.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:21

    it works though. who did lewis give his infamous "ali g" line to? not ted.

    How hard is it to hold a mic in front of someones face and say the most obvious comment.....So Lewis a difficult afternoon..?

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:22

    I do respect EJ's opinions sometimes and he is an ex team owner. I like the fact he's prepared to say some out there things and doesn't always go for the obvious questions.

    he sadly doesn't have the talent to be in the position he's in. eventually someone is going to notice that he has never managed to finish a question. he was a great team owner, but that doesn't make him a great presenter. and he isn't.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:22

    it works though. who did lewis give his infamous "ali g" line to? not ted.

    Plus the fact she's the one doing the driver interviews, ted goes looking for the technical stories...

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 15:23

    So Lewis a difficult afternoon..?

    That's just journalism. It's the open ended question pointed in the right way that get the best answers and that's what Lee does very well.

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 15:23

    I disagree there, The weakest member is Lee Mckenzie....she never really pushes the drivers and it's cringe worthy the eyes she bats for JB.

    it works though. who did lewis give his infamous "ali g" line to? not ted.

    Proding highly wound up sportsmen isn't exactly the hallmark of a master interviewer.

    IMO she has one job and she makes a bit of a hash of it.

    Was it Jennie Gow who filled in for 5live? I thought she was a lot better

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:23

    How hard is it to hold a mic in front of someones face and say the most obvious comment.....So Lewis a difficult afternoon..?

    doesn't matter. drivers say things to her they don't say to anyone else. she's the only person i've ever seen who schumacher will smile at repeatedly.

    i don't get it, but i can see why she still has a job.

    i can't fathom why anyone would employ EJ to stand in front of a camera.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:23

    he sadly doesn't have the talent to be in the position he's in. eventually someone is going to notice that he has never managed to finish a question. he was a great team owner, but that doesn't make him a great presenter. and he isn't.

    In your opinion.......

    I'm sure there are many of other people who could present out there just as well if not better. I'm happy with him for time being though. Jake's ethos these days is to rip EJ at any given chance and frankly it's a little dull tiresome now

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:24

    How hard is it to hold a mic in front of someones face and say the most obvious comment.....So Lewis a difficult afternoon..?

    Her job is to ask the most open question possible so drivers say what they are thinking. If she asked specific difficult question all she would get is a monosyllabic grunt

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:24

    In your opinion.......

    ...and now according to you, also jake's opinion and dc's opinion?

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:25

    Her job is to ask the most open question possible so drivers say what they are thinking. If she asked specific difficult question all she would get is a monosyllabic grunt

    Indeed...she is there to be the eye candy and get them to spill whatever is in their heads....it's not like she extracts it though by deep intelligent questioning.

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 15:25

    I'm sure there are many of other people who could present out there just as well if not better. I'm happy with him for time being though. Jake's ethos these days is to rip EJ at any given chance and frankly it's a little dull tiresome now

    I like someone having a slightly different opinion, much better than everyone nodding and saying nothing which could quite easily happen

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:25

    ...and now according to you, also jake's opinion and dc's opinion?

    Decipher........I'm losing you

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 15:25

    it's not like she extracts it though by deep intelligent questioning.

    Post race is rarely the place for deep questioning

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:25

    he sadly doesn't have the talent to be in the position he's in. eventually someone is going to notice that he has never managed to finish a question. he was a great team owner, but that doesn't make him a great presenter. and he isn't.

    EJ is a salesman and could get away with a lot in front of potential customers because they had not heard him before. Listening to the same thing 20 times a year is a different matter

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:25

    Post race is rarely the place for deep questioning

    When does she ever do it though?

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:26

    Decipher........I'm losing you

    you said:

    "both him and DC looked at EJ like he was a fool"

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 15:26

    it's not like she extracts it though by deep intelligent questioning.

    Post race is rarely the place for deep questioning

    Doesnt mean it can't be intelligent though

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:26

    Indeed...she is there to be the eye candy and get them to spill whatever is in their heads....it's not like she extracts it though by deep intelligent questioning.

    Doesn't matter. SHe gets results

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:26

    doesn't matter. drivers say things to her they don't say to anyone else. she's the only person i've ever seen who schumacher will smile at repeatedly.

    hahahaha! that is quite a feat. :D

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:27

    hahahaha! that is quite a feat. :D

    indeed.

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 15:27

    Doesnt mean it can't be intelligent though

    But it doesn't need to be. It's post race - she only needs to ask "how was your race" to get the necessary answers

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 15:27

    Liss 11/07/2011 at 14:07:51

    That makes no sense. Ricciardo is nowhere near ready for that kind of responsibility. Have they forgotten that they put Vettel through Toro Rosso first?

    Lewis managed it at McLaren....it has been done before. Ricciardo will do just fine at RBR

    only after waiting around for about at least two to three years while MIka and David built up a Mclaren that could win at a fairly constant number of races remeber? The McLarens before Alonso and Lewis showed up where jokes in comparision to the ones that Jenson and Lewis drives today.

    And Vettel shocked everyone by winining in Red Bull's "B" Team of Toro Rosso, in of all places - Monza - before Red Bull got there first win. I just can not see Ricciardo winning in an HRT so I can only assume that Red Bull have very lowered expectations of Ricciardo to measure him with.

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 15:29

    doesn't matter. drivers say things to her they don't say to anyone else. she's the only person i've ever seen who schumacher will smile at repeatedly.

    That probably says a lot about her questioning

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:29

    "both him and DC looked at EJ like he was a fool"

    Yes....they gave the very obvious 'riiiiggghhht' look when he offered Alonso up as a potential race winner.

    I like DC and JH but i'm not blinded for them. They do their job well but they're never above criticism same as EJ.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:31

    But it doesn't need to be. It's post race - she only needs to ask "how was your race" to get the necessary answers

    Exactly...it's not her job to go finding out deep questions...Mr C made the point she extracted info out of Lewis that Ted Kravitz didn't. I challenged that by saying she didn't really extract it, she just held a mic out and let Lewis talk.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:32

    I like DC and JH but i'm not blinded for them. They do their job well but they're never above criticism same as EJ.

    i think jake is well on his way to becoming a british national institution. easily the future of the bbc and probably the next brucie.

    ej will no doubt carry on playing his spoons.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:33

    Exactly...it's not her job to go finding out deep questions...Mr C made the point she extracted info out of Lewis that Ted Kravitz didn't. I challenged that by saying she didn't really extract it, she just held a mic out and let Lewis talk.

    there are maybe 50 people crowded around the media pen after a race, how many people got the lewis quote? just the one.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:33

    Exactly...it's not her job to go finding out deep questions...Mr C made the point she extracted info out of Lewis that Ted Kravitz didn't. I challenged that by saying she didn't really extract it, she just held a mic out and let Lewis talk.

    But a lot of interviewers spend so much time talking themseleves that they end up asking a closed question and not getting the return. Imagine EJ in that situation. He would have talked for two minutes about the team, the car, the relationship with Jenson then ended up asking him his favourite colour

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:33

    i think jake is well on his way to becoming a british national institution. easily the future of the bbc and probably the next brucie.

    Definitely

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:33

    i think jake is well on his way to becoming a british national institution. easily the future of the bbc and probably the next brucie.

    I have no doubt Jake is the next Des Lynham, next voice of the Olympics etc...That still deosn't mean I have to appreciate the constant digs he hands out to EJ.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:33

    He would have talked for two minutes about the team, the car, the relationship with Jenson then ended up asking him his favourite colour

    :) :)

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:33

    i think jake is well on his way to becoming a british national institution. easily the future of the bbc and probably the next brucie.

    agreed, agreed, agreed. the guy's a natural.

    that said, the bbc has lost some of its national institutions to itv before, like des lynam. well, maybe steve ryder too. :D

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:36

    But a lot of interviewers spend so much time talking themseleves that they end up asking a closed question and not getting the return. Imagine EJ in that situation. He would have talked for two minutes about the team, the car, the relationship with Jenson then ended up asking him his favourite colour

    Hang on....when have I said EJ should be doing that job?!! You're debating something unrelated with me!

    I have no doubt EJ would be useless in that role, I agree with others that EJ gets lost in his meandering questions. But I where I do disagree to mosto f you it seems is that:

    I feel EJ brings something to the commentary

    I feel Jake is getting tiresome constantly ripping it out of EJ..

    Put the fact it's EJ aside for a moment.....If it was Jake constantly digging JB I'm sure they'd be a lot more agreement with me.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:38

    I feel EJ brings something to the commentary

    yes. embarrassment.

    I feel Jake is getting tiresome constantly ripping it out of EJ..

    because he asks for it.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:38

    If it was Jake constantly digging JB I'm sure they'd be a lot more agreement with me.

    but he isn't?

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 15:38

    Put the fact it's EJ aside for a moment.....If it was Jake constantly digging JB I'm sure they'd be a lot more agreement with me.

    Well that's three.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:39

    Hang on....when have I said EJ should be doing that job?!! You're debating something unrelated with me!

    I am simply pointing out that the job Lee does is not as easy as people are suggesting. EJ is about as opposite to her as I could think of.

    I think EJ at 4 or 5 races a year would be great but at every race he just annoys me. THe one thing he does that I like is that he just goes and grabs anyone they want to interview regardless what barriers they are behind

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:39

    there are maybe 50 people crowded around the media pen after a race, how many people got the lewis quote? just the one.

    That we know of.....which TV station do you think Lewis is likely to be more open to? I'm pretty confident the interview Lewis gives the BBC is a lot more personal then one he gives RTL etc...

    What exactly are u stating here?....that without Lee McKenzie Lewis wouldn't of made that flippant remark? It wouldn't of mattered it was Louise Goodman holding the mic during that interview....it just so happened on Lee's watch.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:41

    What exactly are u stating here?....that without Lee McKenzie Lewis wouldn't of made that flippant remark? It wouldn't of mattered it was Louise Goodman holding the mic during that interview....it just so happened on Lee's watch.

    i'm stating that he said what he said to lee. you can debate maybe's all you like, i'm simply pointing out that's what happened.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:41

    I feel EJ brings something to the commentary

    yes. embarrassment.

    To be fair, he does occasionally have great moments. He usually asks the tough questions Jake or DC skirt around. Not often enough to outweigh the negatives, sadly.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:41

    If it was Jake constantly digging JB I'm sure they'd be a lot more agreement with me.

    but he isn't?>

    But he isn't?..................what do you mean Mr C?!!!

    I never said he was ripping it out of JB.......

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:43

    I never said he was ripping it out of JB.......

    ohkay. interesting conversation liss. i have rather more sensible things to be getting on with though now. cheers.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:43

    To be fair, he does occasionally have great moments. He usually asks the tough questions Jake or DC skirt around. Not often enough to outweigh the negatives, sadly.

    i'm with steven. couple of races a year would be perfect, but not 19.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:45

    i'm stating that he said what he said to lee. you can debate maybe's all you like, i'm simply pointing out that's what happened.

    Indeed....and like wise I'm pointing out the fact that Lee is the reporter responible primarily for driver interviews post race....and Ted is the reporter tasked with the technical/team stories....

    Your point doesn't prove though she was the reason he said his Ali G mark....

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:45

    i'm with steven. couple of races a year would be perfect, but not 19.

    sounds good to me. in any case, i don't think they really need to replace EJ - except if they think Jake gets lonely when DC has to start running to the booth.

    you know who'd make a great replacement for EJ? Paul Stoddart. too bad he has other things to do.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:46

    you know who'd make a great replacement for EJ? Paul Stoddart. too bad he has other things to do.

    Patrick Head when he retires...

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:46

    you know who'd make a great replacement for EJ? Paul Stoddart. too bad he has other things to do.

    gazza was the best person, sadly tony had other plans :)

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 15:46

    I'm sure EJ knows his position exactly. He's there to grab the people from the garage, and ask the awkward questions to Damon Hill. In return he gets to waffle on and share his disdain for McLaren. I can't imagine he cares one jot what Jake thinks of him.

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 15:46

    Patrick Head when he retires...

    Head is already 67. How long would he want to do it for?

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:48

    Head is already 67. How long would he want to do it for?

    It's not a serious suggestion....as you say he's far too old to realistically start doing it.

    Martin Whitmarsh is likely to be an ex team leader by the end of the year :-)

    Probbaly wouldn't learn that much insight though...he's very PC

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:48

    Patrick Head when he retires...

    Head is already 67. How long would he want to do it for?

    And what for? Not like he needs to do it.

    I'd say Gary Anderson would make a great replacement, but I don't want BBC to take away the one redeeming thing about our coverage here. :D

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:48

    you know who'd make a great replacement for EJ? Paul Stoddart. too bad he has other things to do.

    I have always disliked Paul Stoddart. F1 is so much better without him. He arrived with his jaw flapping about all the things he was going to do and since he arrived all he has done is whinge about why he failed. At least EJ achieved something in F1

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:49

    Patrick Head when he retires...

    My first thought was no but I thought the same about Mike Gascoyne and he was great when he filled in for EJ

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:49

    I have always disliked Paul Stoddart. F1 is so much better without him. He arrived with his jaw flapping about all the things he was going to do and since he arrived all he has done is whinge about why he failed. At least EJ achieved something in F1

    Really? Kinda liked the guy. True, he missed the mark at times, but he did also save Minardi.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:50

    Martin Whitmarsh is likely to be an ex team leader by the end of the year :-)

    :)

    you think ron's bored now the road car is out?

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:52

    you think ron's bored now the road car is out?

    I am sure Ron has his next project planned.

    When people talk about geniuses in F1 I always wonder how Ron never makes the list. Started off as a mechanic, took over a failing McLaren and built it into what it is today.

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 15:53

    Communication is such a fail in teams these days: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93037

    When asked by AUTOSPORT if he believed the team would retain both Barrichello and Maldonado, Parr said: "Yes. I think that is vastly the most likely outcome."

    Barrichello said: "I wish he said that to me. I still haven't heard that. I want to be racing next year, I want to have a competitive car next year.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:53

    you think ron's bored now the road car is out?

    I think he's tired of watching his team fall apart. It must be so hard watching all these silly mistakes the team makes, and that's before we get to JB and half man/half fish

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 15:53

    Barrichello said: "I wish he said that to me. I still haven't heard that. I want to be racing next year, I want to have a competitive car next year.

    awww!

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:54

    When people talk about geniuses in F1 I always wonder how Ron never makes the list. Started off as a mechanic, took over a failing McLaren and built it into what it is today.

    Not a technical genius, but arguably one of the Top 3 economic geniuses in F1 history (the other 2 being Ecclestone and LDM).

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 15:54

    I think he's tired of watching his team fall apart. It must be so hard watching all these silly mistakes the team makes, and that's before we get to JB and half man/half fish

    2 wins this year is falling apart?

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:55

    When people talk about geniuses in F1 I always wonder how Ron never makes the list. Started off as a mechanic, took over a failing McLaren and built it into what it is today.

    I think Ron's personality is wasn't hasn't endeared him to many people...as you say though he is often overlooked...

    I'd really like to see the Mike Gascoygne doing the punditry when he's done at Lotus

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 15:55

    Barrichello said: "I wish he said that to me. I still haven't heard that. I want to be racing next year, I want to have a competitive car next year.

    Better to find out he is keeping hisjob via the net than finding out he is losing it like Narain

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 15:55

    When asked by AUTOSPORT if he believed the team would retain both Barrichello and Maldonado, Parr said: "Yes. I think that is vastly the most likely outcome."

    Translation (to me): If we can't get a better driver, we can live with retaining them both.

    Which explains:

    Barrichello said: "I wish he said that to me. I still haven't heard that. I want to be racing next year, I want to have a competitive car next year.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:57

    2 wins this year is falling apart?

    It's not so much the on track driving....it's the team dynamics and performance that's faltering of late. Some of those mistakes at the weekend were terrible.....I'm thinking more strategic decisions and the way the car is developed. There was certainly errors under Ron, but they seemed to be less costly as opposed to the errors under Whitmarsh.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 15:59

    2 wins this year is falling apart?

    Plus MW himself is reported as saying yesterday his job could be at risk.

  • Leigh O'Gorman11/07/2011 at 16:00

    Anyway folks,

    I had better run - may be back this evening

    :)

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 16:03

    Plus MW himself is reported as saying yesterday his job could be at risk.

    I don't see it. Ron spent 20 years training him as his successor so he is not going to fire him and find a replacement

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 16:05

    I don't see it. Ron spent 20 years training him as his successor so he is not going to fire him and find a replacement

    Firing would be a little too strong.....too much time invested in MW

    But what would do in Ron's shoes? How long should he be given a fair crack? For the record I do agree two years is probably too short a time, he needs another season at least. MW stated yesterday the decision is not just with Ron, it's also with the investors.

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 16:07

    Ping: http://www.f1bigpicture.com/news/no-great-shakes

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 16:07

    But what would do in Ron's shoes? How long should he be given a fair crack? For the record I do agree two years is probably too short a time, he needs another season at least. MW stated yesterday the decision is not just with Ron, it's also with the investors.

    Ron has all the investors in his pocket. He has agreements in place with the majority of share holders that they vote with him on all issues.

    I think Whitmarsh is doing fine and will only get better

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 16:09

    Ping: www.f1bigpicture.…s/no-great-shakes

    (hearts) the title.

  • Liss11/07/2011 at 16:10

    I think Whitmarsh is doing fine and will only get better

    I don't think he's doing amazing but like wise he isn't doing terrible...certainly don't understand some his comments yesterday regarding his employment.

    I suppose a good comparison would be with Stefano, the strategic blunders Ferrari made in 2009 are very similar when you consider how long each man has been doing the Team Manager role

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 16:11

    Ping: www.f1bigpicture.…s/no-great-shakes

    I always like to see drivers doing something unusual. Shame about the corporate gear

  • Eric the baker11/07/2011 at 16:26

    Absolute bleh here today. Hot and humid. I shouldn't have looked at the weathewr, but I did, it's 40C with the heat index.

  • F1Wolf11/07/2011 at 16:37

    Better to find out he is keeping hisjob via the net than finding out he is losing it like Narain

    by the way, have we heard any comments at all from Narain since he lost his job ?

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 16:42

    more f1minute stickering: http://sidepodcast.posterous.com/f1minute-stickers-make-it-to-the-media-centre

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 16:44

    What really grinds me gears (hee hee) in all this is the way EJ soon changed his tune. Last year he was spitting feathers about Ferrari @ Hockenheim, ranting about how it disenfranchises the fans, it's not proper racing yadda yadda....now it's written into the rules then it's all fair game and what's the fuss.

    I was upset by that too. In fact the lack of criticism for what was obviously a damaging move and a damaging cover-up made it impossible for me to watch the rest of the post-race analysis. Sometimes I feel like F1 is trying to destroy itself and that particular ten minutes were among them.

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 16:53

    Hello.

    I have always disliked Paul Stoddart. F1 is so much better without him. He arrived with his jaw flapping about all the things he was going to do and since he arrived all he has done is whinge about why he failed. At least EJ achieved something in F1

    I completely agree. Glad he kept Minardi going but he brought a lot of politics with him.

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 16:56

    i think jake is well on his way to becoming a british national institution. easily the future of the bbc and probably the next brucie.

    I think he's the future/present of BBC Sport, he'll get all the big sport gigs from now until forever (and I keep to what we all largely agreed at the time of Japan last year, Lee will take over F1 presenting, she's very good at it).

    I'm not so sure Jake will be doing gameshows etc. I can see he might get a talkshow one day.. the next Parkie?

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 16:56

    I'm not so sure Jake will be doing gameshows etc. I can see he might get a talkshow one day.. the next Parkie?

    ooh yes.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 16:58

    i can't fathom why anyone would employ EJ to stand in front of a camera.

    Because he finds stuff out and gets interviews that nobody else does. He's the least likely to let preconceived notions or PR obligations interfere with his questioning, and sometimes his unconventional technique gets answers the others don't get. Of course, it also backfires on him spectacularly at times. However, EJ fills a necessary niche in the team, just as DC fills a different niche.

    I think it worked better when DC and EJ could bounce ideas off each other in front of the camera, but that's the sort of problem you get when you reduce your travelling team.

  • Sidepodcast Classics11/07/2011 at 17:00

    Enjoy a little something from the sidepodcast.com back catalogue.

    - Mercedes Set to Confirm F1 Plans Today (Updated: Brawn GP Become Mercedes Grand Prix)

    Originally published 16/11/2009

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:01

    When does she ever do it though?

    Others do it pre-race. Lee can't pick when she's on camera.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:04

    But it doesn't need to be. It's post race - she only needs to ask "how was your race" to get the necessary answers

    Especially since there are three pundits able to analyse anything Lee gets into microscopic pieces, which means that they can say what they like without her relationship with the drivers (and hence her ability to gently prompt frank opinions) being damaged.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:06

    And Vettel shocked everyone by winining in Red Bull's "B" Team of Toro Rosso, in of all places - Monza - before Red Bull got there first win. I just can not see Ricciardo winning in an HRT so I can only assume that Red Bull have very lowered expectations of Ricciardo to measure him with.

    I was under the impression that the Hispania was an act of opportunism that bought Red Bull more time to assess their Toro Rosso drivers to see which to drop and/or promote. Buying experience is pretty difficult to do and Daniel can shake out any "bugs" in his driving without it affecting the performance of any Red Bull-owned teams.

    That said, lowered expectations are also possible.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:10

    i think jake is well on his way to becoming a british national institution. easily the future of the bbc and probably the next brucie.

    On that point I very much agree with you. Jake is looking increasingly like the sort of person who can present anything and can handle whatever problems broadcasting throws at him and his shows - plus his likeable personality comes across well on camera.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:16

    I am sure Ron has his next project planned.

    I think his next project involves getting his new road car to Le Mans, like he did the McLaren F1 fifteen years ago. No date confirmed, but I'm hearing rumours of 2013/2014.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:18

    When people talk about geniuses in F1 I always wonder how Ron never makes the list. Started off as a mechanic, took over a failing McLaren and built it into what it is today.

    Probably because a) what he did was really obvious in hindsight - his genius was having the foresight and skill to make the future into the present and b) he made a fair few enemies (e.g. Max) and quite a lot of jealous people (e.g. EJ) in the process.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:19

    Communication is such a fail in teams these days: www.autosport.com…port.php/id/93037

    Maybe one of these teams should employ Sidepodcast (as a community, with salaries for all members) to advise on such matters, since we seem to be a lot better at communication than the teams?

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:21

    I'd really like to see the Mike Gascoygne doing the punditry when he's done at Lotus

    That would work well. Mike is a very incisive questioner, has excellent knowledge of the sport and fears no-one.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:22

    Better to find out he is keeping hisjob via the net than finding out he is losing it like Narain

    True. Not the greatest ettiquette ever, though...

  • Marti11/07/2011 at 17:22

    Hello!

    Alianora, I see you are very active today hehehe

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 17:22

    I think his next project involves getting his new road car to Le Mans, like he did the McLaren F1 fifteen years ago. No date confirmed, but I'm hearing rumours of 2013/2014.

    They have agreed a deal with CRS to run the car. It is run by former McLaren young driver Andrew Kirkcaldy

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:22

    by the way, have we heard any comments at all from Narain since he lost his job ?

    Nothing since Valencia.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:23

    Alianora, I see you are very active today hehehe

    Looks like I missed some good conversation while I was at Grandma's.

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:23

    Also, hello Marti!

  • Marti11/07/2011 at 17:24

    Great vid. McLaren vs Scuderia http://youtu.be/4bc44Sa1bTg

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 17:26

    They have agreed a deal with CRS to run the car. It is run by former McLaren young driver Andrew Kirkcaldy

    Excellent. CRS are a good team even if their results this year don't show it.

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 17:31

    anyone seen this extra footage from the bbc jetski event?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14069278.stm

    was it shown and i missed it?

  • Marti11/07/2011 at 17:36

    news.bbc.co.uk/sp…_one/14069278.stm

    No idea, but Button injured his knee there.

  • Sidepodcast Update11/07/2011 at 17:45
  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 17:50

    anyone seen this extra footage from the bbc jetski event?

    Never seen that before.

    McLaren had an unfair advantage as they can claim all four drove for them

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 17:58

    McLaren had an unfair advantage as they can claim all four drove for them

    :) :)

  • Nick11/07/2011 at 18:19

    Just seen the end of the silverstone GP3 race on in the background,

    The Mark Webber Arden car was sponsored by air Asia...

    ... So webber to lotus next year, with Horner soon to follow!

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 18:23

    There's some sort of karting competition for all the F1 teams going on at the moment. Race 1 finished about half an hour ago.

    Hispania finally led a race, while Force India came 2nd.

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 18:36

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/tweets-of-the-week-who-needs-stewards-when-youve-got-twitter

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 18:41

    Ah, home at last. Evening peeps

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 18:49

    Ah, home at last. Evening peeps

    How was Scotland?

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 18:49

    Ah, home at last. Evening peeps

    Good evening!

  • Bassano11/07/2011 at 18:50

    How was Scotland?

    Fantastic. Edinburgh's a great city

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 18:51

    Fantastic. Edinburgh's a great city

    Agreed, spent Hogmanay there one time.

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 19:02

    How was Scotland?

    Excellent, loved it. I'd definitely go back.

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 19:11

    I just left a voicemail. :)

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 19:11

    I just left a voicemail. :)

    I always get nervous and make no sense.

  • Kai11/07/2011 at 19:17

    Out for dinner, up early for my flight. I'll comment later or tomorrow if I can get wifi, but otherwise, I'll catch you on the flip side (of the Atlantic).

    Thank you for everything, you amazing Sidepodcast peoples!

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 19:19

    Out for dinner, up early for my flight. I'll comment later or tomorrow if I can get wifi, but otherwise, I'll catch you on the flip side (of the Atlantic).

    Thank you for everything, you amazing Sidepodcast peoples!

    Have a good flight and come back soon. :)

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 19:19

    I just left a voicemail. :)

    *hugs*

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 19:21

    Fellow geeks, watch this video: http://startrek.com/article/star-trek-padd-app-available-today

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 19:26

    Evening :)

    I have just finished watching the race although I suspect I may have slept through part of it....?

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 19:29

    I have just finished watching the race although I suspect I may have slept through part of it....?

    I'm about to watch it again because I slept through some of it yesterday (was it only yesterday?). Really weird sleeping patterns this weekend..

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 19:30

    evening guys. I present you with a Ted PING

    http://gridwalktalk.wordpress.com/2011/07/11/the-importance-of-being-ted/

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 19:30

    I'm about to watch it again because I slept through some of it yesterday (was it only yesterday?). Really weird sleeping patterns this weekend..

    Yeah I'm not entirely sure I remember why Vettel wasn't winning. I turned it off to go to bed last night and when I resumed it this evening, Alonso was winning.... Conspiracy!

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 19:40

    Yeah I'm not entirely sure I remember why Vettel wasn't winning. I turned it off to go to bed last night and when I resumed it this evening, Alonso was winning.... Conspiracy!

    Duff pit stop

  • Nick (@Twiger)11/07/2011 at 19:47

    Duff pit stop

    Duffman! oh yeah...

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 19:48

    I'm so confused by the Williams statement, have just read it now. It's kind of like they're saying 'yeah we're keeping them but we might not but we will, I guess'.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 19:50

    I'm so confused by the Williams statement, have just read it now. It's kind of like they're saying 'yeah we're keeping them but we might not but we will, I guess'.

    That's how I translated it. No wonder Rubens is peeved.

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 19:51

    That's how I translated it. No wonder Rubens is peeved.

    He needs a hug.

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 19:54

    Sidepodspace: MISSION EXTENDED. Making use of available consumables, Atlantis' flight extended a day. Landing now July 21. tinyurl.com/shuttle135 #sts135

    http://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/90508920921145344

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 19:55

    I'm so confused by the Williams statement, have just read it now. It's kind of like they're saying 'yeah we're keeping them but we might not but we will, I guess'.

    did i miss one? i saw yesterday the q&a that read:

    Pastor out-qualified Rubens for the fourth time in the last five races.

    and thought, rubens' gone then.

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 19:56

    did i miss one? i saw yesterday the q&a that read:

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93037

    Williams are like 'Yeah we'll keep them on I suppose, mhhhmmm' and Rubens a bit like 'You haven't told me this, girrrrrrlfriend'

    Well I imagine it went something like that.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 19:56

    did i miss one? i saw yesterday the q&a that read:

    The one Christine posted earlier. ;)

    http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-11th-july-2011/comments#comment-1139150

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 19:57

    Williams are like 'Yeah we'll keep them on I suppose, mhhhmmm' and Rubens a bit like 'You haven't told me this, girrrrrrlfriend'

    :D

  • Christine11/07/2011 at 19:57

    The one Christine posted earlier. ;)

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 19:57

    Although I do reckon Rubens will stay on. he played a similar game in 2009 keeping cards close to his chest with the Williams deal and that was done in the summer

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 19:57

    Sidepodspace: MISSION EXTENDED. Making use of available consumables, Atlantis' flight extended a day. Landing now July 21. tinyurl.com/shuttle135 #sts135

    You were ahead of me on that one. Landing is around 11am UK time

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 19:57

    Williams are like 'Yeah we'll keep them on I suppose, mhhhmmm' and Rubens a bit like 'You haven't told me this, girrrrrrlfriend'

    :)

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 19:58

    Although I do reckon Rubens will stay on. he played a similar game in 2009 keeping cards close to his chest with the Williams deal and that was done in the summer

    Indeed. Because they sure don't give out points for qualifying well. :D

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 19:59

    Indeed. Because they sure don't give out points for qualifying well. :D

    They don't give points out for finishing below 10th either :cry:

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:00

    They don't give points out for finishing below 10th either :cry:

    At least Rubens has already scored with some 9th's. Before last year, you didn't get any points for that, either.

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:00

    At least Rubens has already scored with some 9th's. Before last year, you didn't get any points for that, either.

    Woohoo!

    It's ok anyways, it's like supporting Honda again so it's nice when there's a few points :)

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:02

    It's ok anyways, it's like supporting Honda again so it's nice when there's a few points :)

    Isn't it painful to see your favorite driver toiling round in the midfield with no better than decent chances to score a point?

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:05

    Isn't it painful to see your favorite driver toiling round in the midfield with no better than decent chances to score a point?

    Two years of Honda frustration prepares you for it I guess. That's not necessarily a bad thing because I loved seeing Rubens there but you weren't expecting anything great with those cars and the way the seasons gone now I'm not expecting anything great of this Williams even if it has a sexy livery.

    When it actually has potential to do well and really underperforms, thats when it stings sure. Like qualifying on this weekend, that really sucked because Rubens could've actually got into Q3 I reckon but damn. It's by no means nice seeing your favourite driver struggle but I suppose I'm just realistic in what this year brings for him now.

  • RG11/07/2011 at 20:06

    Isn't it painful to see your favorite driver toiling round in the midfield with no better than decent chances to score a point?

    When you driver/team gets a good result, its far more rewarding than being a fan of a top driver or team.

    I'll just jump in and out of that there.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 20:07

    Isn't it painful to see your favorite driver toiling round in the midfield with no better than decent chances to score a point?

    I would have thought the same question could have been directed at you and your favourite driver

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:07

    When you driver/team gets a good result, its far more rewarding than being a fan of a top driver or team.

    True, but Sauber have been punching above their weight this year, especially Kobayashi. Not quite the same story at Williams, but I do see where he's coming from.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:08

    I would have thought the same question could have been directed at you and your favourite driver

    Exactly why I asked it. Because it does hurt.

  • RG11/07/2011 at 20:08

    True, but Sauber have been punching above their weight this year, especially Kobayashi. Not quite the same story at Williams, but I do see where he's coming from.

    I was speaking more from what I felt last season.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:09

    I would have thought the same question could have been directed at you and your favourite driver

    Exactly why I asked it. Because it does hurt.

    Although to be fair, it's gotten better as of late, for the most part.

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:09

    Exactly why I asked it. Because it does hurt.

    But Schumacher has this esteem of greatness, this reputation of being 'the best'. In all due respect to Rubens, he doesn't have that reputation behind him. I think someone like Schumacher struggling would hurt a lot more than someone like Barrichello because for me Rubens has been there if you will but it's not really Schumi territory for a Schumi fan,

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:09

    I was speaking more from what I felt last season.

    Fair point.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:10

    But Schumacher has this esteem of greatness, this reputation of being 'the best'. In all due respect to Rubens, he doesn't have that reputation behind him. I think someone like Schumacher struggling would hurt a lot more than someone like Barrichello because for me Rubens has been there if you will but it's not really Schumi territory for a Schumi fan,

    You hit the nail right on the head there. I still wonder how he enjoys racing considering his current form being a pale shadow of what it once was.

    And on that bombshell, I am off. Good night, folks. :)

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:11

    And on that bombshell, I am off. Good night, folks. :)

    Night Mr J

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 20:12

    And on that bombshell, I am off. Good night, folks. :)

    Night

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 20:13

    evening guys. I present you with a Ted PING

    gridwalktalk.word…nce-of-being-ted/

    talking of ted, in this video he says nico one-stopped: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/14100018.stm

    did we mis something?

  • RG11/07/2011 at 20:14

    did we mis something?

    I remember commentators saying he'd done a two stop with Perez, they might have been wrong like.

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:14

    did we mis something?

    I knew Leo di Caprio was a good actor but he's fooled Ted clearly.

    he must have stopped twice... at least? Surely?

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:14

    I'm sure I saw a 2 besides him on live timing. Hmmm.

  • Journeyer11/07/2011 at 20:15

    did we mis something?

    I remember commentators saying he'd done a two stop with Perez, they might have been wrong like.

    Rosberg and Perez two-stopped, so that's a boo-boo from Ted. Unless he meant that they only changed once more once they were on dries.

    Really going now.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 20:17

    I'm sure I saw a 2 besides him on live timing. Hmmm.

    Reloaded live timing and it says he two stopped

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 20:18

    Reloaded live timing and it says he two stopped

    #tedfail?

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:20

    #tedfail?

    I think we all know really it is indeed mathematics that is at fail here and that ted is actually correct

  • Mr C11/07/2011 at 20:20

    I think we all know really it is indeed mathematics that is at fail here and that ted is actually correct

    hehe

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 20:32

    Afternoon everyone:

    Should this be an officially endorsed product of Sidepodcast HQ?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jordan_f1/5924372028/in/photostream

    Panda Replacement. The current one is getting too big for his boots.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jordan_f1/5924370370/in/photostream

    Mr. C's nightmares of baking another cupcake are now officially over.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jordan_f1/5924371068/in/photostream

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 20:34

    Should this be an officially endorsed product of Sidepodcast HQ?

    Definitely.

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 20:43

    Thanks, Steven.

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:44

    Should this be an officially endorsed product of Sidepodcast HQ?

    way cooler than the mclaren on the roof of the science museum ;)

    Now I just want cupcakes though.

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 20:46

    Lukeh: 11/07/2011 at 21:44:45

    Should this be an officially endorsed product of Sidepodcast HQ?

    way cooler than the mclaren on the roof of the science museum

    Now I just want cupcakes though

    Should not the third picutre resolve that issue, Lukeh?

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 20:46

    I think Nick is trying to get me lost overseas....

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 20:46

    Should not the third picutre resolve that issue, Lukeh?

    Thats why I want them. They look yummy.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 20:47

    I think Nick is trying to get me lost overseas....

    Why?

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 20:48

    Lukeh: 11/07/2011 at 21:46:41

    Should not the third picutre resolve that issue, Lukeh?

    Thats why I want them. They look yummy.

    And to think the person running the kiosak did not beleive me that I said that I people (Lou) who would be interestd in running a franshise in London, England....

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 20:51

    I think Nick is trying to get me lost overseas....

    No natives everywhere have a bad habit of confusing tourists everywhere....They think it is funny or something..... I would not blame this on Nick...

    Unless you have been threatening him again, then something like this is to be expected....

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 20:53

    Why?

    He's trying to make me go to the channel islands for reasons totally unknown....?

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 20:54

    He's trying to make me go to the channel islands for reasons totally unknown....?

    There must be some reason. He didn't just say go to the channel islands

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 20:55

    Alison: 11/07/2011 at 21:53:17

    Why?

    He's trying to make me go to the channel islands for reasons totally unknown....?

    He just want to see if the natives are friendly. Best to send out a scout, I can see his logic....

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 20:55

    There must be some reason. He didn't just say go to the channel islands

    Well we want to go somewhere on holiday and he's totally obsessed with the channel islands.

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 20:58

    Well we want to go somewhere on holiday and he's totally obsessed with the channel islands.

    Has he been there? Has he read about them? What interests him in particular?

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 20:59

    Has he been there? Has he read about them? What interests him in particular?

    Something about Nazi bunkers. I tried to stress that's not so much my cup of tea but.....

  • Lukeh11/07/2011 at 21:00

    Has he been there? Has he read about them? What interests him in particular?

    Is he expecting every island to be a different TV channel?

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 21:02

    Something about Nazi bunkers. I tried to stress that's not so much my cup of tea but.....

    There is a lot of history there but if that is not your thing then you need to direct him towards the other attractions are

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 21:02

    Alison: 11/07/2011 at 21:55:55

    There must be some reason. He didn't just say go to the channel islands

    Well we want to go somewhere on holiday and he's totally obsessed with the channel islands.

    So what does this do with trying to get you lost overseas. One, it is still British soil, so does not count as overseas. It is not like you are stuck on St. Catharine Street in Montreal and you can not find your way home due to all the high fashion stores in the area...

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 21:03

    So what does this do with trying to get you lost overseas. One, it is still British soil, so does not count as overseas. It is not like you are stuck on St. Catharine Street in Montreal and you can not find your way home due to all the high fashion stores in the area...

    Well it's over a sea. What am I supposed to call it?

  • Alison11/07/2011 at 21:03

    Well it's over a sea. What am I supposed to call it?

    Offshore?

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 21:04

    Has he been there? Has he read about them? What interests him in particular?

    Button lives there?

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 21:04

    Steven Roy: 11/07/2011 at 22:02:17

    Something about Nazi bunkers. I tried to stress that's not so much my cup of tea but.....

    There is a lot of history there but if that is not your thing then you need to direct him towards the other attractions are

    I know a lot of the hazards at a typical British Golf Course are crazy hard but calling a sandtrap "Nazi" is a little over the top, if you ask me...

  • Pat W11/07/2011 at 21:05

    If you missed the IndyCar race this is a really funny highlights clip :) :)

    http://t.co/SE02QMi

    Benny Hill treatment :)

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 21:06

    Alison: 11/07/2011 at 22:03:44

    Well it's over a sea. What am I supposed to call it?

    Offshore?

    Portected by mainlanders by a oversized moat wortks for me....

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 21:13

    Pat W: 11/07/2011 at 22:05:13

    If you missed the IndyCar race this is a really funny highlights clip

    http://t.co/SE02QMi

    Benny Hill treatment

    Like I said, Pat...

    "There was so many vehicles on two wheels that I thought I was watching a motorcycle race...."

    Anymore "airtime" and Air Canada would have to be the principal sponour of the race!

  • Steven Roy11/07/2011 at 21:19

    Benny Hill treatment :)

    Summed it up perfectly

  • Jordan F111/07/2011 at 21:46

    Well, supprtime for me folks, gotta go!

  • Alianora La Canta11/07/2011 at 23:01

    When you driver/team gets a good result, its far more rewarding than being a fan of a top driver or team.

    I'd second that. For me, it's when it looks like toiling round in the midfield (or the backmarkers) is about to destroy my driver/team's will to compete at their best that it gets painful. Or when they make a complete howler...