We are into double figures in this new year now, and we have also reached Sunday. There's no show today, as we have been busy sorting out F1 Minute video... and also the snow has messed up our plans just a little bit. However, here are some of the things we're talking about, as we are holed up inside avoiding the white stuff:

  • I spent some time yesterday sorting out the new Sidepodcast super-duper calendar, which features all kinds of good notable events. There's a post which lays out the details, but you can see the calendar any time on the playground - and best of all, you can filter it by the information you want. Yay for Google calendars.
  • Mr C and Tom G together created a campaign to get me back on Twitter. Mr C was more about the comments, whilst Tom headed straight for the Facebook group. After a little bit of thought, and not much persuading, I have acquiesced. Who am I to turn my back on the six lovely people who joined that group?
  • In F1 news, there are rumours circulating today that A1 GP boss Tony Teixeira could be about to invest in the Campos team. Campos appear to have not signed up an enormous amount of sponsors, so they are looking for investment, and Mr Teixeria has had his eye on F1 for a while. What kind of a match would they make though?

That's all for now. I hope you're having a good weekend, and as ever, I will see you in the comments.

940 responses

  • me10/01/2010 at 00:07

    sunday? sunday so soon?

  • lou10/01/2010 at 00:08

    sunday? sunday so soon?

    i'm gonna reject the idea of it being sunday... sorry... ;)

  • me10/01/2010 at 00:09

    i'm gonna reject the idea of it being sunday... sorry... ;)

    understood. hello... ?

  • RG10/01/2010 at 00:09

    Sunday. Still apparantly heading into deepest, darkest, northumberland today. Could be fun...

    #sorrycorbridge

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 00:10

    understood. hello... ?

    Let us call it 'Fisiday'

    It's there doing it's thing but nowhere really takes much notice

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 00:10

    *noone

    Tiredness winning slowly

  • RG10/01/2010 at 00:11

    *noone

    nowhere could still work I spose

  • lou10/01/2010 at 00:11

    understood. hello... ?

    Let us call it 'Fisiday'

    It's there doing it's thing but nowhere really takes much notice

    :D ehehehehe

  • me10/01/2010 at 00:12

    Let us call it 'Fisiday'

    after giancarlo?

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 00:13

    after giancarlo?

    for a moment I was going to say his name was Luca fisichella. I really need sleep.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 00:17

    for a moment I was going to say his name was Luca fisichella. I really need sleep.

    Ims scared of the slowness of that driver

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 00:22

    Ims scared of the slowness of that driver

    The End of Time itself...

  • me10/01/2010 at 00:28

    last video of the week: http://www.f1minute.com/2010/01/10/sauber-reorganise-directors-for-2010-season/

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 00:38

    Sunday finally? Wow, this long weekend has confused my poor little brain.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 00:39

    Can we have F1 back now please? Sundays without F1 are starting to make me a sad panda :(

  • RG10/01/2010 at 00:42

    Can we have F1 back now please? Sundays without F1 are starting to make me a sad panda :(

    Also, can the snow go away. I miss football and don't want to wait till 7pm and watch it on a rubbishy internet place

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 00:42

    Can we have F1 back now please? Sundays without F1 are starting to make me a sad panda :(

    Even just car launches would do, by now, we'd be starting to get into the swing of things by now, normally.

  • lou10/01/2010 at 00:43

    Can we have F1 back now please? Sundays without F1 are starting to make me a sad panda :(

    must.resist.countdown.....can't.upset.christine....

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 00:43

    Today, I get to spend all day at home without having to go anywhere. Which will provide quite the contrast with going back and forth to Grandma's, sports and possibly college next week.

    And I will be taking quite a bit of notice of today... ...then again, I take quite a bit of notice of Fisi as well, so you'll probably still end up calling today 'Fisiday'...

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 00:44

    *Walks in*

    *Sits down*

    "Hello, My name is Jonathan Waldock, and I have a problem"

    I am SUCH a geek. I'm registering to vote at my term-time address because it's a more marginal district than my home-address.

    Nerrrrd

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 00:44

    Even just car launches would do, by now, we'd be starting to get into the swing of things by now, normally.

    Not quite yet. Not until the Autosport show is past.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 00:45

    Not quite yet. Not until the Autosport show is past.

    Last year started on the 12th. I remember because I share my birthday with the F60, which turned out not as good as it looked.

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 00:45

    I am SUCH a geek. I'm registering to vote at my term-time address because it's a more marginal district than my home-address.

    I should probably change my registered address...

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 00:49

    I should probably change my registered address...

    https://www.aboutmyvote.co.uk/register_to_vote/electoral_registration_applica.aspx

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 00:53

    Night everyone

  • RG10/01/2010 at 00:53

    Night everyone

    Night mate.

  • lou10/01/2010 at 00:54

    Night everyone

    night!

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 00:54

    Night Lukeh

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 00:55
  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 00:55

    Night everyone

    night

  • Edgar10/01/2010 at 00:59

    sup people,how's it hangin' still waiting for saoirse ronan to reply back,auggghhhhh!!!!!!

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 00:59

    https://www.ab...stration_applica.aspx

    I'm amazed. A government form that was ridiculously easy to use.

    Although since our seat isn't marginal in the slightest I'm not sure whether to actually vote at all...

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 01:01

    I'm amazed. A government form that was ridiculously easy to use.

    Although since our seat isn't marginal in the slightest I'm not sure whether to actually vote at all...

    My one at home isn't marginal at all, but here theres 10% in it, (which dosent sound like alot) but the guy who's leading is stepping down, so i think there may be something to see!! anywho, i gotta sleep. night all

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 01:01

    I'm not here... honest...

    But Amy... Aparently there is a Kiwi version of the night before Christmas: http://www.amazon.co.uk/KIWI-NIGHT-BEFORE-CHRISTMAS/dp/1869435648/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263085170&sr=8-1

    And of Jingle Bells!

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:02

    My one at home isn't marginal at all, but here theres 10% in it, (which dosent sound like alot) but the guy who's leading is stepping down, so i think there may be something to see!! anywho, i gotta sleep. night all

    Night

  • lou10/01/2010 at 01:05

    i need to tear myself away from looking at old photographs and go to sleep. night all! xx

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 01:05

    i need to tear myself away from looking at old photographs and go to sleep. night all! xx

    night lou

    #nothere

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 01:06

    i need to tear myself away from looking at old photographs and go to sleep. night all! xx

    night lou...

    and hi to the rest!

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:06

    i need to tear myself away from looking at old photographs and go to sleep. night all! xx

    night and hi Guille

  • RG10/01/2010 at 01:06

    i need to tear myself away from looking at old photographs and go to sleep. night all! xx

    night lou

    hi guille

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:07

    sup people,how's it hangin' still waiting for saoirse ronan to reply back,auggghhhhh!!!!!!

    Is that a person or a thing?

  • me10/01/2010 at 01:07

    heikki getting in and out of a wooden box:

    http://bit.ly/8CBS0E

  • Edgar10/01/2010 at 01:07

    a person,movie star actually

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:32

    heikki getting in and out of a wooden box:

    http://bit.ly/8CBS0E

    Was it Virgin with the car part made of air? And now Lotus with a car made of wood. Looking good aren't we :-)

  • me10/01/2010 at 01:34

    Was it Virgin with the car part made of air? And now Lotus with a car made of wood. Looking good aren't we :-)

    :)

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:35

    Ah it is a local interview... "how are you enjoying the Norfolk countryside?"

    I mean really..

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:36

    last video of the week: http://www.f1m...tors-for-2010-season/

    Good job on getting caught up! Have you managed to streamline the process?

  • me10/01/2010 at 01:37

    Good job on getting caught up! Have you managed to streamline the process?

    nope!

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:38

    nope!

    ah :-)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 01:39

    First time trying Real Time Mobile. I can only hope it works for me.

  • me10/01/2010 at 01:44

    ah :-)

    we'll blog about it tomorrow. i think the plan is to take a week's break and try and make it more efficient. shall kepp ya posted.

  • me10/01/2010 at 01:44

    First time trying Real Time Mobile. I can only hope it works for me.

    ace. you going somewhere?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 01:47

    Not particularly, but it's the only way I can comment and lie in bed being lazy at the same time. Is it supposed to auto-refresh, by the way, on an iPod touch, or is that a manual process?

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 01:48

    we'll blog about it tomorrow. i think the plan is to take a week's break and try and make it more efficient. shall kepp ya posted.

    Okay

  • me10/01/2010 at 01:48

    Not particularly, but it's the only way I can comment and lie in bed being lazy at the same time. Is it supposed to auto-refresh, by the way, on an iPod touch, or is that a manual process?

    mobile page doesn't refresh, but the ipod touch can use the normal relatime page just fine.

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 01:48

    It seems that ASO (Dakar) creates more problems handing out penalties than the FIA, if that's possible.

    First, they penalize Coma (second in the bikes) with 6 hours for changing a tyre in a forbidden section of friday's stage. The overwhelming evidence: his tyre looks suspiciously newer than the tyres of the others riders... Coma is planing to retire from the race.

    Secondly, they hand out a 3 hours penalty to the leader of the quads. In this case they have no evidence, they just go and say he changed one tyre in parc-fermé (something useless for him as he's leading by more than two hours anyway). He says that there is somebody in the Dakar that don't want him, and threatens to withdraw from the race. His brother (second in the general standings) also threatens to leave, even if with the penalty they're both still in the lead by a large margin. Magically the penalization disappears...

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 01:52

    Oh I see. I'll try that one then.

  • me10/01/2010 at 01:53

    He says that there is somebody in the Dakar that don't want him, and threatens to withdraw from the race. His brother (second in the general standings) also threatens to leave, even if with the penalty they're both still in the lead by a large margin. Magically the penalization disappears...

    oh dear! where's max.?

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 01:54

    oh dear! where's max.?

    teaching some of his tricks, it seems... ;-)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 02:01

    Right, I think it's time I sleep. It maybe retro, as pointed out yesterday, but I am old fashioned anyway. ;)

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 02:02

    Right, I think it's time I sleep. It maybe retro, as pointed out yesterday, but I am old fashioned anyway. ;)

    night tom

  • RG10/01/2010 at 02:02

    Night Tom

  • me10/01/2010 at 02:17

    haven't heard the show yet, but how cool: http://twitlive.posterous.com/data-and-geordi-on-the-tech-guy

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 02:33

    haven't heard the show yet, but how cool: http://twitliv...eordi-on-the-tech-guy

    Very cool, but man they look old.. Let us know if they say anything interesting!

  • me10/01/2010 at 02:36

    Very cool, but man they look old.. Let us know if they say anything interesting!

    yeah, damnit that makes me old too.

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 02:49

    yeah, damnit that makes me old too.

    under, or over, 30?

  • me10/01/2010 at 02:50

    under, or over, 30?

    just old :)

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 02:52

    just old :)

    you don't give an inch, do you? :-)

    purely in my head, you turned 27 on your last birthday. I don't know how I arrived at that figure, I just did.

    One day, I will get to ask you these questions in person (or bribe Amy).

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 02:53

    yeah, damnit that makes me old too.

    And me.

  • me10/01/2010 at 02:53

    One day, I will get to ask you these questions in person (or bribe Amy).

    you think amy will be sober enough to remember europe?

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 02:54

    you think amy will be sober enough to remember europe?

    i trust her when she says that she doesn't drink much. maybe I'll just have to mic her up :P

  • me10/01/2010 at 02:57

    i must sleep. night peeps.

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 02:58

    i must sleep. night peeps.

    sleep well (old man)

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 02:58

    i must sleep. night peeps.

    night mr. c

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 02:59

    i must sleep. night peeps.

    night

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 03:45

    i trust her when she says that she doesn't drink much. maybe I'll just have to mic her up :P

    apparently there is some sort of "challenge" to not drink at all in February for charity or something. That's not a challenge for me. It's just what would happen naturally.

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 04:14

    apparently there is some sort of "challenge" to not drink at all in February for charity or something. That's not a challenge for me. It's just what would happen naturally.

    #amyfinity

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 04:18

    I have applied for joint membership (Zoe and I) for the McLaren Member Programme. I have also subscribed to GP+

    I feel that I am starting 2010 well.

  • Edgar10/01/2010 at 04:24

    sup people

  • Edgar10/01/2010 at 04:25

    what'd i miss

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 04:29

    I have applied for joint membership (Zoe and I) for the McLaren Member Programme. I have also subscribed to GP+

    hooray! now you have to come to melbourne so you can maybe get a pit tour :D

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 05:06

    hooray! now you have to come to melbourne so you can maybe get a pit tour :D

    you can put our names down for everything you organise. any and all advice is welcomed. I have commented on your blog in the past, so you have my email address.

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 05:09

    what'd i miss

    dude! where have you been? you've missed soooo much!

    nah, not really :-)

    it's just us non-europeans covering the early morning shift.

    where are you? what's happening in your neck of the woods?

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 08:25

    woops, just bought a ticket to a tennis exhibition next Saturday :D

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 08:46

    Zoe and I are at the moonlight cinema in Centennial Park, Sydney. We will soon be watching 'Up' on an inflatable screen. It is Doggie night. Pics on dropio soon.

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 09:09

    Zoe and I are at the moonlight cinema in Centennial Park, Sydney. We will soon be watching 'Up' on an inflatable screen. It is Doggie night. Pics on dropio soon.

    #needsmoredogs

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 09:18

    #needsmoredogs

    agreed. We want to play with other peoples dogs!

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 10:50

    Morning all!!

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 10:59

    Zoe and I are at the moonlight cinema in Centennial Park, Sydney. We will soon be watching 'Up' on an inflatable screen. It is Doggie night. Pics on dropio soon.

    thats the coolest thing i've ever seen ever

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 11:46

    Zoe and I are at the moonlight cinema in Centennial Park, Sydney. We will soon be watching 'Up' on an inflatable screen. It is Doggie night. Pics on dropio soon.

    I'm very jealous! Apart from the dog aspect....

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 11:48

    I am in the cinema about to see Sherlock Holmes. I've just been handed a pint of beer!

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 11:48

    My one at home isn't marginal at all, but here theres 10% in it, (which dosent sound like alot) but the guy who's leading is stepping down, so i think there may be something to see!! anywho, i gotta sleep. night all {Comment #33}

    I have a bit of a dilemma. If it weren't for the main party basically self-destructing, it would have a landslide win in my constituency due to having one of the few really good MPs at representing local interests. So I'm torn between voting for the good individual (who has been against pretty much every mistaken policy said party have implemented) or voting for a party that would be effective in sorting the country out (which, given that I have no confidence whatsoever in the two largest parties and am somewhat dubious about the ability of the other main one, means it would be a protest vote).

    I insist on voting on principle - if abstentions counted towards the results of the vote (for example, as the equivalent of "None of the Above"), it might be different.

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 11:49

    I insist on voting on principle - if abstentions counted towards the results of the vote (for example, as the equivalent of "None of the Above"), it might be different.

    Personally I think everyone should vote. Even if it's just to go to the polling station and void their ballot. I get really annoyed when people don't vote.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 11:51

    It seems that ASO (Dakar) creates more problems handing out penalties than the FIA, if that's possible. {Comment #56}

    Once upon a time, I thought good regulation-making was an art form. Then I discovered it was a science. Now it looks like it's become an art form inverted.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 11:53

    apparently there is some sort of "challenge" to not drink at all in February for charity or something. That's not a challenge for me. It's just what would happen naturally. {Comment #76}

    Same here. Unless the definition of "drink" includes squash and tap water, which would cause quite a few problems for other people too...

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 11:56

    Personally I think everyone should vote. Even if it's just to go to the polling station and void their ballot. I get really annoyed when people don't vote.

    indeed remember that the BNP actually got less of the vote in the last European election than they had the time before, but they actually won their first 2 seats. Why? Even fewer people voted in total increasing their proportion of the vote.

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 11:57

    Personally I think everyone should vote. Even if it's just to go to the polling station and void their ballot. I get really annoyed when people don't vote.

    I felt so proud of myself for making the effort to lodge a special vote in the NZ Election because none of the other Kiwis I know here did :D

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 12:01

    I felt so proud of myself for making the effort to lodge a special vote in the NZ Election because none of the other Kiwis I know here did :D

    Go Amy!! :D

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 12:03

    Go Amy!! :D

    it wasn't that hard, there is so many Kiwis here that they actually set up a proper polling station at the Australian Electoral offices. I'm sure it'd be way harder if I was in Germany or something :D

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 12:04

    it wasn't that hard, there is so many Kiwis here that they actually set up a proper polling station at the Australian Electoral offices. I'm sure it'd be way harder if I was in Germany or something :D

    Probably just set up a postal ballot. If you trust someone else to do it for you, you can also nominate someone else to vote on your behalf here if you're unable to do it yourself.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 12:10

    Personally I think everyone should vote. Even if it's just to go to the polling station and void their ballot. I get really annoyed when people don't vote. {Comment #93}

    In an ideal world everyone would vote... ...and the results would mean something. The trouble is that with the Politician's Polka, manifestos often not being worth the paper they're written on and many people's priorities being ignored entirely, for a lot of people the vote has become meaningless, apart from as a symbol mocking the democracy that is only available in lip service.

    As a result, I have sympathy with non-voters, even though I've voted in every election I've been eligible to vote in (having an MP who actually means what he says - a rare commodity - helps considerably). Participating in a democracy is the price of having a democracy, but if we only have a democracy in name because of the actions of politicians, then surely the population should be entitled to only participate in name? At the moment, if you don't register a valid vote, the system neither knows nor cares whether you turned up and voided the vote or stayed in bed all day.

    I just think there should be a way of formally recording the frustration and apathy, and to me the most effective method is one that prevents situations where the least evil candidate wins. If there was a method that allowed sufficiently high frustration/apathy to cause direct effects on the democracy (e.g. re-running a constituency election with different candidates if "None of the Above" won), then I think it would go some way towards getting the democracy back. It would certainly shake up the ideas of some of the more complacent MPs!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 12:14

    Morning ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 12:15

    In an ideal world everyone would vote... ...and the results would mean something. The trouble is that with the Politician's Polka, manifestos often not being worth the paper they're written on and many people's priorities being ignored entirely, for a lot of people the vote has become meaningless, apart from as a symbol mocking the democracy that is only available in lip service.

    I am reading the Frost/Nixon book right now ... and it is shocking how he violated the principles of freedom and democracy during Watergate!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 12:16

    So I went for my first run in 6 weeks today - got some new running gear for Christmas (A jacket and those running pants that look like man-tights) and I bought some new running shoes (some Asics ones).

    Even though I alternated between running and walking and there was loads of ice out, I beat my last time by 3 minutes! And I feel great afterwards (a bit tough while running though)!

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 12:19

    Even though I alternated between running and walking and there was loads of ice out, I beat my last time by 3 minutes! And I feel great afterwards (a bit tough while running though)!

    Awesome! I need to start running again. I trained to do the Great North Run a few years ago then just never got round to actually doing it!

  • RG10/01/2010 at 12:19

    (A jacket and those running pants that look like man-tights)

    Do people think its a bit odd when you wear them? Wore them once as a keeper (something more for a keeper than running, during a snowy match as well). People looked at me odd.

    Morning

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 12:20

    Hello. For the first time in ages, on a day I didn't set an alarm I woke up before 12 :-)

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 12:20

    It's so cold at work that I've opted for leggings under my trousers, a vest and a fleece under my shirt. I look like I've gained about 2 stone....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 12:21

    Do people think its a bit odd when you wear them? Wore them once as a keeper (something more for a keeper than running, during a snowy match as well). People looked at me odd.

    They feel like thermal undies. My wife says I look OK and she would be the first to laugh!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 12:32

    Morning! Wait, no, it's afternoon now.

  • Christine10/01/2010 at 12:45

    Afternoon all.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 12:46

    Hey Tom and Mrs C

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 12:54

    Ooh, mum's been baking cakes again. I must go investigate this lovely smell...

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 12:57

    Morning!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 13:05

    Morning!

    Morning!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 13:06

    Finally got around to buying a new computer, which means I am backing up data right now - this computer is really straining just to do that so I will be glad to get rid of it!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 13:11

    Campos in trouble? http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22023.html

    Oh dear, how did these guys get picked over Lola and Prodrive again?

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 13:25

    Afternoon all. I'm in the process of bullying a good friend of mine to join in all the fun here.... I'm sure she'll love it :)

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:31

    so Andy Murray is in the same city as me. Sleep with one eye open, Andy.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 13:33

    Hello peeps

    Am kinda around but doing other thingss. I have at least slept this time ;)

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:34

    so Andy Murray is in the same city as me. Sleep with one eye open, Andy.

    Heheh :)

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:34

    Hello peeps

    Am kinda around but doing other thingss. I have at least slept this time ;)

    hooray! I have thought of something else to add to my "I want to do this in London" list....

    .....Greggs.

    Because Lukeh would kill me if I didn't.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:35

    hooray! I have thought of something else to add to my "I want to do this in London" list....

    .....Greggs.

    Because Lukeh would kill me if I didn't.

    If you can find one :P (psst, I saw one in Greenwich)

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:36

    If you can find one :P (psst, I saw one in Greenwich)

    I have three days to kill and perhaps some jet lag meaning I won't sleep. Mission!

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:36

    If you can find one :P (psst, I saw one in Greenwich)

    Don't go to the one in Greenwich..it's not very nice...

  • RG10/01/2010 at 13:36

    hooray! I have thought of something else to add to my "I want to do this in London" list....

    .....Greggs.

    Because Lukeh would kill me if I didn't.

    You could just come up to the home of Greggs for no other reason than to go into one of fifteen Greggs up here.

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 13:36

    Hello peeps

    Am kinda around but doing other thingss. I have at least slept this time ;)

    Me too. I haven't even read back through the morning comments yet. Today is a bit disjointed..

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:37

    Don't go to the one in Greenwich..it's not very nice...

    Oh yeah, that's true. It was a rrrrrrrrrrrubbish Greggs.

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:37

    Don't go to the one in Greenwich..it's not very nice...

    oh no! Well we'll just have to write them very nice letters to say they have 7 months in which to build a nice one, somewhere handy in London.

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:37

    Oh yeah, that's true. It was a rrrrrrrrrrrubbish Greggs.

    the one down here is lovely.. cause it's all new.

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:42

    so how is everyone this afternoon?

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:43

    so how is everyone this afternoon?

    Not too bad. I'm getting awfully distracted by too many incredibly talented people on youtube though.

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:43

    so how is everyone this afternoon?

    I am tired and trying to work out why I'm still up at 12.43am :( But today I bought a ticket to go to http://aamiclassic.com.au/ on Saturday. Sooo excited!

  • RG10/01/2010 at 13:44

    so how is everyone this afternoon?

    I am just having a lazy Sunday.

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 13:44

    so how is everyone this afternoon?

    getting used to be at home again after vacations...

    yesterday spent the whole day cutting the grass ;-)

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 13:45

    the one down here is lovely.. cause it's all new.

    I guess we'll be stopping there then when we pick you up :-)

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 13:45

    I am in the cinema about to see Sherlock Holmes. I've just been handed a pint of beer!

    I feel at least on par with you today :)

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 13:45

    so how is everyone this afternoon?

    I'm good, back at Uni but have mixed feelings about it

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:46

    I'm good, back at Uni but have mixed feelings about it

    What do you study?

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:46

    I am tired and trying to work out why I'm still up at 12.43am :( But today I bought a ticket to go to http://aamiclassic.com.au/ on Saturday. Sooo excited!

    do we need to shoo you to get you to sleep?oooo that sounds awesome! :) take lots of pics for us :)

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 13:46

    I just think there should be a way of formally recording the frustration and apathy, and to me the most effective method is one that prevents situations where the least evil candidate wins. If there was a method that allowed sufficiently high frustration/apathy to cause direct effects on the democracy (e.g. re-running a constituency election with different candidates if "None of the Above" won), then I think it would go some way towards getting the democracy back. It would certainly shake up the ideas of some of the more complacent MPs!

    Brilliant!

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:47

    do we need to shoo you to get you to sleep?oooo that sounds awesome! :) take lots of pics for us :)

    I am sad though because just after I bought the ticket this happened. But it's OK, I can see him at the Australian Open when he wins it! I may need shooing if I'm still here in 20 minutes or so :D

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:47

    I wish I even had an ounce of talent or patience that this guy does... his videos absolutely blow me away. Would love to learn to play the piano.

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 13:47

    Finally got around to buying a new computer, which means I am backing up data right now - this computer is really straining just to do that so I will be glad to get rid of it!

    I take it that it isn't a Mac because I assume you'd mention if it was (hoping I'm wrong).

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 13:48

    What do you study?

    Oh you won't have heard it, I'm doing Orthoptics. It's basically studying eyes but not like Optometry....

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 13:48

    I am tired and trying to work out why I'm still up at 12.43am :( But today I bought a ticket to go to http://aamiclassic.com.au/ on Saturday. Sooo excited!

    Jealous!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 13:49

    I take it that it isn't a Mac because I assume you'd mention if it was (hoping I'm wrong).

    Gavin posted the specs of the gaming rig pc he was looking at a day or two ago

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:49

    I am sad though because just after I bought the ticket this happened. But it's OK, I can see him at the Australian Open when he wins it! I may need shooing if I'm still here in 20 minutes or so :D

    ahhh no!! bad times.. well.. he mayy win the Australian open, am hoping Murray wins it :) *runs*

  • Journeyer10/01/2010 at 13:49

    Campos in trouble? http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22023.html

    Oh dear, how did these guys get picked over Lola and Prodrive again?

    Campos is the weakest link now? Not USF1? Interesting... So having Scarlett Johansson at one of their events didn't do much for their profile then. :D But I do wonder - why would Petrov and Maldonado NOT be interested in Campos? Are they willing to wait another season to get into F1?

  • Journeyer10/01/2010 at 13:50

    Oh, and hello. ;)

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:50

    Oh you won't have heard it, I'm doing Orthoptics. It's basically studying eyes but not like Optometry....

    sounds very complicated.. and intellectual :)

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:50

    ahhh no!! bad times.. well.. he mayy win the Australian open, am hoping Murray wins it :) *runs*

    Murray and his Scottishness will not handle Melbournes 43 degree day tomorrow! Fingers crossed those temperatures continue throughout the slam :D ;)

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:51

    sounds very complicated.. and intellectual :)

    It does!

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 13:51

    Gavin posted the specs of the gaming rig pc he was looking at a day or two ago

    Gaming? Well... I suppose that's ok then... grumble grumble :P

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:51

    Murray and his Scottishness will not handle Melbournes 43 degree day tomorrow! Fingers crossed those temperatures continue throughout the slam :D ;)

    aw you meany :P

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:52

    aw you meany :P

    heheh I think you should get behind Laura Robson though, she is awesome. Her and Murray played doubles at the Hopman Cup and she totally carried him. Plus she won her singles game and he lost his so its HIS FAULT Great Britain lost to Spain :D

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 13:52

    sounds very complicated.. and intellectual :)

    Well I don't know about that, but I've only done a semester and it's okay so far but a lot to take in!

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 13:52

    Murray and his Scottishness will not handle Melbournes 43 degree day tomorrow! Fingers crossed those temperatures continue throughout the slam :D ;)

    maybe he is here early to acclimatise?

  • RG10/01/2010 at 13:52

    heheh I think you should get behind Laura Robson though, she is awesome. Her and Murray played doubles at the Hopman Cup and she totally carried him. Plus she won her singles game and he lost his so its HIS FAULT Great Britain lost to Spain :D

    Didn't she get beat in all her other singles games or something?

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:53

    maybe he is here early to acclimatise?

    yeah thats what most of them do, but it doesn't seem to work most years!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 13:53

    Don't go to the one in Greenwich..it's not very nice...

    oh no! Well we'll just have to write them very nice letters to say they have 7 months in which to build a nice one, somewhere handy in London.

    I've 2 or 3 near me, the closest is 5 mins away by bus.

    Most of the shops on the main road where I live are independants

  • Journeyer10/01/2010 at 13:53

    heheh I think you should get behind Laura Robson though, she is awesome. Her and Murray played doubles at the Hopman Cup and she totally carried him. Plus she won her singles game and he lost his so its HIS FAULT Great Britain lost to Spain :D

    Laura Robson = star of the future?

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:54

    Didn't she get beat in all her other singles games or something?

    shhh

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 13:54

    ok, out to run for the first time in more than a month. see you later! (if I survive it...)

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:55

    Laura Robson = star of the future?

    I think so, shes only 15 and she was pretty epic on the junior circuit last year. Not so great in the seniors at Wimbledon though, but it was her first "proper" slam. Her personality is a lot more likeable than Murrays as well :D

  • lou10/01/2010 at 13:56

    heheh I think you should get behind Laura Robson though, she is awesome. Her and Murray played doubles at the Hopman Cup and she totally carried him. Plus she won her singles game and he lost his so its HIS FAULT Great Britain lost to Spain :D

    hehehe womens tennis doesn't seem to appeal to me as much for some reason. she did do very well from what i saw of the match though.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 13:57

    heheh I think you should get behind Laura Robson though, she is awesome. Her and Murray played doubles at the Hopman Cup and she totally carried him. Plus she won her singles game and he lost his so its HIS FAULT Great Britain lost to Spain :D

    But is she as good as Lindsay Davenport?

    (That's the only woman tennis player I can think of)

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:57

    hehehe womens tennis doesn't seem to appeal to me as much for some reason. she did do very well from what i saw of the match though.

    womans tennis got rubbish for a few years there but now the Belgians are back and all is right in the world.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 13:57

    I think so, shes only 15 and she was pretty epic on the junior circuit last year. Not so great in the seniors at Wimbledon though, but it was her first "proper" slam. Her personality is a lot more likeable than Murrays as well :D

    Saw her speech on Sky Sports News yesterday, more personality by miles.

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 13:57

    Her personality is a lot more likeable than Murrays as well :D

    Haha, but that's not hard though is it?!? ;)

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 13:58

    Saw her speech on Sky Sports News yesterday, more personality by miles.

    #nothere

    ah, but does she have one of these?

    http://www.andymurrayometer.com/

  • RG10/01/2010 at 13:59

    #nothere

    ah, but does she have one of these?

    Since she's English, I suspect not...

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 13:59

    Since she's English, I suspect not...

    well she was born in Australia so we might try claim her soon :D

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 13:59

    But is she as good as Lindsay Davenport?

    My fave was Gabriella Sabatini but that's showing my age somewhat

  • RG10/01/2010 at 14:00

    well she was born in Australia so we might try claim her soon :D

    She is?

    Well, most good English sportsmen are foreign anyway so that makes no difference really.

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 14:00

    My fave was Gabriella Sabatini but that's showing my age somewhat

    after that epic last night Henin has withdrawn from Sydney, apparently she has a gluteal strain. I hope she is OK for the Open!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 14:01

    Afternoon all

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 14:01

    She is?

    Born in Australia, moved to Singapore at 1.5 then moved to England at 6. I think its lame that people try and argue that shes "not British" because my theory is if you say you are, then you are. She probably can't even remember living anywhere else.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 14:01

    Murray and his Scottishness will not handle Melbournes 43 degree day tomorrow! Fingers crossed those temperatures continue throughout the slam :D ;)

    If only he had your tropical Welsh heritage

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 14:02

    If only he had your tropical Welsh heritage

    Oi!

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 14:02

    If only he had your tropical Welsh heritage

    :D

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 14:04

    womans tennis got rubbish for a few years there but now the Belgians are back and all is right in the world.

    that was an amazing match last night. I love tennis and will watch more of it this year. thanks for reminding me how good it can be Miss Amy

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 14:06

    that was an amazing match last night. I love tennis and will watch more of it this year. thanks for reminding me how good it can be Miss Amy

    you should go along in Sydney this week :) Tickets from $9.90 ;)

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 14:08

    you should go along in Sydney this week :) Tickets from $9.90 ;)

    Bernie, can you see that?

  • lou10/01/2010 at 14:10

    i'm off to get some more work done, bye everyone!! :) xx

    p.s Amy... go to sleep ;)

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 14:10

    p.s Amy... go to sleep ;)

    OK :D G'night all :)

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 14:11

    i'm off to get some more work done, bye everyone!! :) xx

    I'd better take the same route with this dissertation work, bah. Byee. :)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 14:11

    i'm off to get some more work done, bye everyone!! :) xx

    See ya lou and Amy and Lukeh

  • Jeremy10/01/2010 at 14:11

    I'm outta here too. Will look into tennis in Sydney for $9.90 though - wow!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 14:12

    Bye to all those who are leaving

  • Journeyer10/01/2010 at 14:13

    Good night Amy, Jeremy, and Lou. :)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 14:14

    I'm outta here too. Will look into tennis in Sydney for $9.90 though - wow!

    And to you.

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 14:14

    Bye whoevers going

    #nothere

  • me10/01/2010 at 14:22

    good mornoon.

  • Journeyer10/01/2010 at 14:22

    good mornoon.

    Good AFTERnoon, Mr C. :D

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 14:22

    good mornoon.

    afternoon sire.

    as i'm here but not here, i've decided to be here.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 14:22

    good mornoon.

    Good Maroon sir!

  • me10/01/2010 at 14:23

    Good AFTERnoon, Mr C. :D

    ahh, that's it :)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 14:23

    good mornoon.

    And the same to you

  • RG10/01/2010 at 14:24

    good mornoon.

    Good something to other to you as well

  • Jordan F110/01/2010 at 14:36

    It is 9:34 EST here in the land of snow-covered tundra.... (No, not Britian).....

    Morning everyone.

    Oh boy. You really do know you’re an F1 Fan when your nightmares are F1 related….

    I just had a nightmare last night where I was in an F1 pool were you got to pick who you thought was going to win the constructors after first drawing you ranking for the draw. I drew third pick and Merecedes and Ferrari where already taken…..

    At this point my mind had a complete blank and rather than pick the combination at McLaren (do not like McLaren, do not like Hamilton, do not like Button) I seemed to have thought that I could have a team that composed a driver who has not raced since 1990 and an another driver named J. J. Letho…..

  • me10/01/2010 at 14:52

    Oh boy. You really do know you’re an F1 Fan when your nightmares are F1 related….

    all of my nightmares are f1 related :)

  • Christine10/01/2010 at 15:05

    Have been busy again today, starting to update some bits and bobs on F1 Minute.

    The Season Info page is up to date: http://www.f1minute.com/season-info/

    And the Drivers sub-section of that is also updated with added driver picture goodness. http://www.f1minute.com/season-info/drivers/

    Yay for pictures!

  • Edgar10/01/2010 at 15:09

    greetings from america

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 15:18

    Campos in trouble? http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22023.html

    Oh dear, how did these guys get picked over Lola and Prodrive again? {Comment #117}

    Two words. Max Mosley.

    Or maybe only one. Psuedopolitics.

    To be fair, I thought they had a decent chance of surviving until this morning...

  • Jordan F110/01/2010 at 15:20

    #202 - me said: 10/01/2010 at 14:52:52Oh boy. You really do know you’re an F1 Fan when your nightmares are F1 related….

    all of my nightmares are f1 related :)

    Stuck in traffic on the M1 late for work and the only car inteh driveway is a Life V12 ?

  • Jordan F110/01/2010 at 15:21

    Sorry, meant Life W-12 ... :P

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 15:21

    Campos is the weakest link now? Not USF1? Interesting... So having Scarlett Johansson at one of their events didn't do much for their profile then. :D But I do wonder - why would Petrov and Maldonado NOT be interested in Campos? Are they willing to wait another season to get into F1? {Comment #149}

    Maybe if Campos are asking for too much money, or Vitaly and Pastor's sponsors aren't as generous as would be required to get into F1 on pay-driver basis anyway, or indeed if they are waiting for on of the few other seats left to make a decision on them...

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 15:26

    Oh boy. You really do know you’re an F1 Fan when your nightmares are F1 related… {Comment #201}

    I had a strange dream last night, though I don't know whether it classes as a nightmare. Suffice to say it ended in a fight in a press conference between me, Jean Todt and several journalists, the primary ammo being F1 books (after I'd started the fight by tipping an entire bottle of water down Flavio Briatore's neck for a vaguely-remembered insult against my team).

  • Edgar10/01/2010 at 15:41

    they need bigger celebrities at their events like beyonce or jay leno.

  • Jordan F110/01/2010 at 15:46

    Alianora La Canta said: 10/01/2010 at 15:18:47Campos in trouble? http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns22023.html

    Oh dear, how did these guys get picked over Lola and Prodrive again? {Comment #117}

    Two words. Max Mosley.

    Or maybe only one. Psuedopolitics.

    To be fair, I thought they had a decent chance of surviving until this morning...

    To be fair, I have had more confidence with USF1 than these guys and Virgin F1 b ecasue of my aeronautical nature. They said that they where going to use a "Skunk Works" approach, and since "Skunk Works" is a code word for Lockheed's Aircraft top-secret R&D and manufacturing plant, they seem to be backing up their ideas. Considering that the SR-71 Spy Plane, YF-12 interceptor, F-22 Raptor, and F-117A Stealth Fighter all went though the "Skunk Works" treatment, and all these aircraft where sucessful, (Jury is still out on the F-22, too new an aircraft...) there is something to be said about this approach...

    .

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 15:48

    To be fair, I have had more confidence with USF1 than these guys and Virgin F1 b ecasue of my aeronautical nature. They said that they where going to use a "Skunk Works" approach, and since "Skunk Works" is a code word for Lockheed's Aircraft top-secret R&D and manufacturing plant, they seem to be backing up their ideas. Considering that the SR-71 Spy Plane, YF-12 interceptor, F-22 Raptor, and F-117A Stealth Fighter all went though the "Skunk Works" treatment, and all these aircraft where sucessful, (Jury is still out on the F-22, too new an aircraft...) there is something to be said about this approach...

    The only thing 'Skunk' about USF1 is the stink Peter Windsor creates when he opens his mouth and spouts more rubbish :D

  • Jordan F110/01/2010 at 15:53

    #209 - Alianora La Canta said: 10/01/2010 at 15:26:04Oh boy. You really do know you’re an F1 Fan when your nightmares are F1 related… {Comment #201}

    I had a strange dream last night, though I don't know whether it classes as a nightmare. Suffice to say it ended in a fight in a press conference between me, Jean Todt and several journalists, the primary ammo being F1 books (after I'd started the fight by tipping an entire bottle of water down Flavio Briatore's neck for a vaguely-remembered insult against my team).

    Alianora, about your dream, I can only ask if Joe Saward and / or Stuart Codling were on your side feeding box-feed magazines ?

  • Jordan F110/01/2010 at 16:07

    Gavin Brown (RubberGoat) said: 10/01/2010 at 15:48:17To be fair, I have had more confidence with USF1 than these guys and Virgin F1 b ecasue of my aeronautical nature. They said that they where going to use a "Skunk Works" approach, and since "Skunk Works" is a code word for Lockheed's Aircraft top-secret R&D and manufacturing plant, they seem to be backing up their ideas. Considering that the SR-71 Spy Plane, YF-12 interceptor, F-22 Raptor, and F-117A Stealth Fighter all went though the "Skunk Works" treatment, and all these aircraft where sucessful, (Jury is still out on the F-22, too new an aircraft...) there is something to be said about this approach...

    The only thing 'Skunk' about USF1 is the stink Peter Windsor creates when he opens his mouth and spouts more rubbish :D

    Well, you get used to that. As a former roaming reporter for Speed TV he finds it differcult that he can make money by not flapping his mouth.... You did have to get used to American butcherism of foreign names for example . Alex Worse, Jack Ville-neuf, IIII-airton Senna, One-Pablo Montoya......Fortunately, building an F1 car is not dependent on the amount of rubbish a person says out of mouth.....

    But give the man his due, he was better than James Allen as a booth commentator reporter! (And Legard is the only person worse than Allen...)

  • me10/01/2010 at 16:29

    from james allen:

    Today’s Gazzetta Sportiva, the Sunday edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport has a full page dedicated to revealing some details of the 2010 Ferrari which will be launched later this month in time for the Valencia test from 1-3 February.

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/details-emerge-of-new-ferrari-f1-design/

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:29

    from james allen:

    Also in that article

    there is a suggestion in Gazzetta that USF1 has applied to the FIA for a derogation to miss the early fly away races and start at the Spanish Grand Prix in April

    #amnothere

  • RG10/01/2010 at 16:30

    there is a suggestion in Gazzetta that USF1 has applied to the FIA for a derogation to miss the early fly away races and start at the Spanish Grand Prix in April

    They can't do that can they?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:30

    They can't do that can they?

    They can if their toasters aren't ready. Cars, I mean, how silly of me

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:31

    They can't do that can they?

    Gazetta can jump the gun a little sometimes, I think

    Probably just a rumour but JA seems to think it was worthy of repeating

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 16:36

    there is a suggestion in Gazzetta that USF1 has applied to the FIA for a derogation to miss the early fly away races and start at the Spanish Grand Prix in April

    They can't do that can they?

    No. I think there is a rule that allows a team to miss one race due to exceptional circumstances but if they miss a second they are liable to a penalty. If they are already asking to get permission to miss races oupled with what we have seen from them since they promised to be open you have to wonder if they will ever make F1.

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 16:40

    Good afternoon... How's everyone going?

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 16:40

    If they are already asking to get permission to miss races oupled with what we have seen from them since they promised to be open you have to wonder if they will ever make F1.

    It just doesn't sound good at all, which is a shame. With Campos looking shaky too, the promise of the new teams is proving to be a huge disappointment :(

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 16:43

    Good afternoon... How's everyone going?

    Afternoon! I'm good thanks, been very lazy today! :D

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 16:45

    The only USF1 story I can find on the Gazetto site is the one we saw elsewhere about them testing in Alabama. I can't find anything about them asking to miss races. I really hope they will make the start of the season. Unfortunately the only motor sport content on the English version of the site is about Schumacher committing treason and several items on Valentino Rossi.

    http://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/Formula1/08-01-2010/team-us-f1-pronto-602581669238.shtml

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 16:45

    Good afternoon... How's everyone going?

    I'm good - how are you?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 16:46

    No. I think there is a rule that allows a team to miss one race due to exceptional circumstances but if they miss a second they are liable to a penalty. If they are already asking to get permission to miss races oupled with what we have seen from them since they promised to be open you have to wonder if they will ever make F1.

    Arrows had this problem in 2002 I think...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 16:47

    It just doesn't sound good at all, which is a shame. With Campos looking shaky too, the promise of the new teams is proving to be a huge disappointment :(

    What will be a huge disappointment is that Prodrive and Lola will STILL be passed over and then go on to success in Sportscars, not F1 :(

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 16:47

    Arrows had this problem in 2002 I think...

    Sounds kind of familiar.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:50

    The only USF1 story I can find on the Gazetto site is the one we saw elsewhere about them testing in Alabama...

    JA does mention Gazzetta Sportiva, which sounds like their Sunday print edition

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 16:50

    I'm good - how are you?

    I'm doing pretty well. Saw the Sherlock Holmes film earlier. Was good fun.

    Other than that a friend of mine has made a hack of the BBC Weather site that shows the temperature in London in degrees Andronov :)

    http://andronov.rjmd.eu/

  • me10/01/2010 at 16:51

    there is a suggestion in Gazzetta that USF1 has applied to the FIA for a derogation to miss the early fly away races and start at the Spanish Grand Prix in April

    They can't do that can they?

    they can. but they will forfeit prize money.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:51

    Other than that a friend of mine has made a hack of the BBC Weather site that shows the temperature in London in degrees Andronov :)

    Only a friend of Alex would do that

    Excellent :)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:52

    they can. but they will forfeit prize money.

    Do we think they'll actually get any points this year?

  • me10/01/2010 at 16:53

    Do we think they'll actually get any points this year?

    everyone gets money, don't they? even those who don't score. something in the back of my mind says we learnt that a couple of months ago, but i forget where.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:54

    everyone gets money, don't they? even those who don't score. something in the back of my mind says we learnt that a couple of months ago, but i forget where.

    I guess they all get tv money

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 16:54

    Only a friend of Alex would do that

    Excellent :)

    Indeed. I think I'm contagious - but hopefully in a good way :)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:55

    I guess they all get tv money

    Which, to be pedantic, is separate from 'prize money'

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:55

    Indeed. I think I'm contagious - but hopefully in a good way :)

    Are you still surving with temporary pipes?

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 16:56

    Are you still surving with temporary pipes?

    We've been okay so far... Tomorrow I'll get the proper lagging.

  • Alex Andronov10/01/2010 at 16:56

    We've been okay so far... Tomorrow I'll get the proper lagging.

    If my accent holds up!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 16:57

    JA does mention Gazzetta Sportiva, which sounds like their Sunday print edition

    Could be

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:57

    We've been okay so far... Tomorrow I'll get the proper lagging.

    In London Slang that means something else entirely!

    [staying in the pub does not cure frozen pipes, kids]

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 16:57

    If my accent holds up!

    Oh dear

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 16:58

    everyone gets money, don't they? even those who don't score. something in the back of my mind says we learnt that a couple of months ago, but i forget where.

    I thought every team except the last one in the championship got prize money

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 17:00

    I thought every team except the last one in the championship got prize money

    So either way they have no chance then ;)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:01

    With AUTOSPORT headlines like:

    Schumacher: Mercedes is still hungry

    Why is the first thing I think of Lukeh, Greggs & Photoshop?

    :D

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:01

    I thought every team except the last one in the championship got prize money

    ahh. i can't add anything other than... ummmm.

    something about the reworking of the points a few weeks back, we asked why the constructor points didn't need changing and the answer was "because points don't affect the money". who, where and when that was mentioned i have no idea.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 17:03

    Why is the first thing I think of Lukeh, Greggs & Photoshop?

    :D

    Uh oh

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 17:04

    something about the reworking of the points a few weeks back, we asked why the constructor points didn't need changing and the answer was "because points don't affect the money". who, where and when that was mentioned i have no idea.

    There may have been a recent change then because it used to be that teams had to score one point to get any share of the prize money. It may be that now they use the same system as the tie-breaker in a championship. All points being equal the team with the most wins ets the position or if wins are the same the most second places etc.

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:07

    let's say x2 two teams don't make the grid for bahrain. can cosworth still afford to compete? didn't the need a minimum number of cars on the grid to make the numbers add up?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:07

    Why is the first thing I think of Lukeh, Greggs & Photoshop?

    :D

    Uh oh

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80787

    :lol:

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:08

    let's say x2 two teams don't make the grid for bahrain. can cosworth still afford to compete? didn't the need a minimum number of cars on the grid to make the numbers add up?

    Compensation from Max? ;)

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 17:09

    Hi guys, finally got my machine back up and running. Feels weird again!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 17:09

    let's say x2 two teams don't make the grid for bahrain. can cosworth still afford to compete? didn't the need a minimum number of cars on the grid to make the numbers add up?

    I thoought the teams had already made a contribution to Cosworth

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:10

    Hi guys, finally got my machine back up and running. Feels weird again!

    Nah, that's just the after effects of last night's Guinness

    #beenthere

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:10

    I thoought the teams had already made a contribution to Cosworth

    ooh. that's good news, assumed it was a rolling payment.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:11

    Hi guys, finally got my machine back up and running. Feels weird again!

    Nah, that's just the after effects of last night's Guinness

    #beenthere

    Oh and hello, Sir

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 17:12

    Oh and hello, Sir

    Hello to you too drinking buddy! :D

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:14

    Hello to you too drinking buddy! :D

    Yes, so I hear

    We'll have to arrange that at some point, now doubt there'll be some live streaming too ;)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 17:14

    Hey TM and I'm out to get some food. Ciao.

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 17:16

    Yes, so I hear

    We'll have to arrange that at some point, now doubt there'll be some live streaming too ;)

    Oh dear, that can't be good. I don't want people to know just how much it takes for me to get drunk!!! :D

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 17:19
  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 17:22

    Here's the real Hungry Mercedes article...

    I love his Coulthard jaw. Wonder if DC is a Greggs man?

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:29

    Here's the real Hungry Mercedes article...

    is that jay leno?

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 17:30

    hello all

    to add to my annoyedness of hall internet....today i downloaded a ftp program, sorted it all out with the wireless internet and came back here andd.....the ftp program cant connect to the internet! grr

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 17:31

    is that jay leno?

    Haha, quality!

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:32

    to add to my annoyedness of hall internet....today i downloaded a ftp program, sorted it all out with the wireless internet and came back here andd.....the ftp program cant connect to the internet! grr

    you needs a 3g dongle.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:33

    Here's the real Hungry Mercedes article...

    Yup, that's pretty much what I thinking

    Bravo!

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 17:33

    you needs a 3g dongle.

    What he needs is proper internet that's not horribly restricted. Halls internet is generally like that, I was so grateful when I switched to cable. I was then seething when Virgin couldn't give me the service I was paying for.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:34

    you needs a 3g dongle.

    Do the networks give a student discount? Not to mention what Jon's 3G availability may be like

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 17:35

    What he needs is proper internet that's not horribly restricted. Halls internet is generally like that, I was so grateful when I switched to cable. I was then seething when Virgin couldn't give me the service I was paying for.

    I cannae wait till next year and a house! with actual real internet.

    This is what it must be like living in China

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 17:35

    Do the networks give a student discount? Not to mention what Jon's 3G availability may be like

    Haha, he can try, but it's highly unlikely. I tried getting a discount for 3G internet and was laughed at by all the phone companies.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:36

    Do the networks give a student discount? Not to mention what Jon's 3G availability may be like

    By the way, prepare for Vodafone [soon] & Orange's 3G to plummet now that they are selling iPhones

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:38

    Oh dear, that can't be good. I don't want people to know just how much it takes for me to get drunk!!! :D

    Oh don't worry, once on the road to tipsyville, the filming stops as the drinking gets better :)

    Unless Mr C is around with a roll of parcel tape, that is

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 17:39

    Dear dear Lewis humbleness really is not in your genes, he has just be quoted as saying...

    "It was my first season in Formula 1, alongside a World Champion - a double World Champion - and I blew him away. I beat him."

    I started to have a little respect for the guy following last season, now that has been blown away. But why make these statements, is it to un-nerve Jenson?

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 17:39

    Unless Mr C is around with a roll of parcel tape, that is

    When/if we meet up, I have a story to tell involving me, a picket fence, organic alcohol and a festival. I'll leave it there.

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:40

    "It was my first season in Formula 1, alongside a World Champion - a double World Champion - and I blew him away. I beat him."

    he didn't? they ended up on equal points.

    he blew kovi out of the water though.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 17:40

    Dear dear Lewis humbleness really is not in your genes, he has just be quoted as saying...

    "It was my first season in Formula 1, alongside a World Champion - a double World Champion - and I blew him away. I beat him."

    I started to have a little respect for the guy following last season, now that has been blown away. But why make these statements, is it to un-nerve Jenson?

    I think it is to try and rattle Alonso like he was in 2007 - or it has been taken out of context to sell papers...

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 17:41

    "It was my first season in Formula 1, alongside a World Champion - a double World Champion - and I blew him away. I beat him."

    I said on twitter earlier, such an unecessarily arrogant statement to make. Really has annoyed me a bit if im honest.

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:41

    I think it is to try and rattle Alonso like he was in 2007 - or it has been taken out of context to sell papers...

    who did he say it to?

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 17:41

    "It was my first season in Formula 1, alongside a World Champion - a double World Champion - and I blew him away. I beat him."

    Oh please don't get me started on Lewis and his arrogance. Plus, 'blew him away' I think not!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:42

    I said on twitter earlier, such an unecessarily arrogant statement to make. Really has annoyed me a bit if im honest.

    It's PR one-up-manship

    Nothing new to that, as you were

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:42

    I said on twitter earlier, such an unecessarily arrogant statement to make. Really has annoyed me a bit if im honest.

    that's an odd statement to make though, unless jenson's playing on his mind.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 17:42

    who did he say it to?

    Jonnie Walker interview

    http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2010/01/hamilton-and-button-mark-out-their-territory/?utm_campaign=UA-7628173-1&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 17:43

    Thought it was interesting Jenson suggests on that same page that staying at Brackley may have made him less motivated to go for another championship

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:43

    Oh please don't get me started on Lewis and his arrogance. Plus, 'blew him away' I think not!

    At least we now have Schumacher back, so we can spread the hatred round a bit more evenly this year ;)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 17:44

    Here is the rest of the quote...

    "No-one has ever come into their first year and been at the front, let alone beat a World Champion, beat the mentality and the strength that he would have had and his experience in Formula 1 already up to that point.

    "I'm very proud of the whole experience of leading the World Championship for most of the year, and it's sickening, for sure, to think we lost it in the last couple of races.

    "There's no answer I can possibly come up with except for fate. I was leading and needed a couple of points in the last two races. I barely got one. The worst two races of the whole year. In one I went off, the second one the car stopped and it never stopped on me before. It was a growing experienced and made me who I am today."

    He had equal best debut of any recent driver granted. But I really hope Jenson gets the better of him this year (Ant reckons there is a chance, sure he is Jenson's friend).

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:45

    He had equal best debut of any recent driver granted. But I really hope Jenson gets the better of him this year (Ant reckons there is a chance, sure he is Jenson's friend).

    I'd like to see a close fight between them but I doubt it

    #sorrylou

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:45

    Jonnie Walker interview

    Button doesn’t get phased when a team mate beats him, so he will be able to find his level at McLaren and co-exist quite happily with Hamilton.

    hadn't considered that angle.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 17:47

    I said on twitter earlier, such an unecessarily arrogant statement to make. Really has annoyed me a bit if im honest.

    It was such an unnecessary statement - to be an F1 drivers does require unbelievable self-confidence but you simply do not say these things.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 17:48

    Button doesn’t get phased when a team mate beats him, so he will be able to find his level at McLaren and co-exist quite happily with Hamilton.

    There is a certain element of truth - Button has been beaten by a team mate including Rubens in 2008.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 17:50

    Lewis did blow Alonso away that season. They may have finished equal on points but after a few races to settle in he led Alonso all season until he ran out of experience at the end of the year. He got inside Alonso's head and totally rattled him.

    Lewis was a rookie against a 2 time champion and he blew him straight out the door. I fail to see how he could have been more impressive. I am still amazed that people think Aloso is the best driver on the grid.

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 17:51

    It was such an unnecessary statement - to be an F1 drivers does require unbelievable self-confidence but you simply do not say these things.

    Exactly, he'll never change, despite all his protestations that he's matured and learnt so much this past year. Still arrogant as hell!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 17:51

    I said on twitter earlier, such an unecessarily arrogant statement to make. Really has annoyed me a bit if im honest.

    It was such an unnecessary statement - to be an F1 drivers does require unbelievable self-confidence but you simply do not say these things.

    You're talking as if he was the first to employ a bit of fighting talk about another team or driver though?

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 17:52

    It was such an unnecessary statement - to be an F1 drivers does require unbelievable self-confidence but you simply do not say these things.

    He is just establishing his position in the team against a reigning world champion. He is letting Button know that he is not worried by his presence and letting Ferrari know that he is not worried that they have Alonso.

    It is just what many other drivers have done in the past.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:53

    It was such an unnecessary statement - to be an F1 drivers does require unbelievable self-confidence but you simply do not say these things.

    Exactly, he'll never change, despite all his protestations that he's matured and learnt so much this past year. Still arrogant as hell!

    It's just PR nonsense

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 17:54

    Exactly, he'll never change, despite all his protestations that he's matured and learnt so much this past year. Still arrogant as hell!

    Name me any racing driver in history who was not arrogant. I have spent a lot of years watching or reading about this sport and you can go back to the 1930s and the top drivers had the same attitude. Put down the opposition and establish superiority.

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:54

    Lewis did blow Alonso away that season. They may have finished equal on points but after a few races to settle in he led Alonso all season until he ran out of experience at the end of the year. He got inside Alonso's head and totally rattled him.

    i disagree. how can a man who gets stuck in gravel be considered have "blown" anyone away?

    Lewis was a rookie against a 2 time champion and he blew him straight out the door

    he didn't even win a race until canada. alo by the 2ns race. that's just not true.

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:55

    Exactly, he'll never change, despite all his protestations that he's matured and learnt so much this past year. Still arrogant as hell!

    it's interesting that he isn't picking on schumacher though. does he think alonso will be his biggest challenger?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 17:56

    Exactly, he'll never change, despite all his protestations that he's matured and learnt so much this past year. Still arrogant as hell!

    Name me any racing driver in history who was not arrogant. I have spent a lot of years watching or reading about this sport and you can go back to the 1930s and the top drivers had the same attitude. Put down the opposition and establish superiority.

    What annoys me is that loads of other drivers have used this tactic and have even been praised for it. Hamilton does it and people say he's arrogant :(

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 17:56

    it's interesting that he isn't picking on schumacher though. does he think alonso will be his biggest challenger?

    At the moment, I think he has nothing but admiration for Schumacher. That'll change soon

    He always said he regretted not being able to race against him

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 17:57

    Name me any racing driver in history who was not arrogant. I have spent a lot of years watching or reading about this sport and you can go back to the 1930s and the top drivers had the same attitude. Put down the opposition and establish superiority.

    Yes, of course they all believe that they are the best but you also need a bit of modesty too, which sorry I feel Lewis really doesn't have at all.

  • me10/01/2010 at 17:58

    What annoys me is that loads of other drivers have used this tactic and have even been praised for it. Hamilton does it and people say he's arrogant :(

    it's an odd thing to bring up, if you ask me. he beat massa to the wdc title on the last lap of the season, and this is the thing he's most keen to reinforce?

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 17:58

    Lewis was a rookie against a 2 time champion and he blew him straight out the door. I fail to see how he could have been more impressive. I am still amazed that people think Aloso is the best driver on the grid.

    I do and by a significant margin. I do not dispute Lewis had an impressive debut, but so did JV.

    A lot was in Lewis' favour. Lewis had been connected to the team for 14 years. He tested for them a whole year in the simulator and on the track. The tyres changed that season and Hamilton had prior experience of them. Mark Hughes in his biography said the nature of the car suited Lewis' driving style more than Fernando. Certainly from mid-season onwards Hamilton was favoured in the team above Alonso. Had Alonso not been pushed back on the Grid at the highlight of the dispute it could have been a different story and a different World Champion.

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 17:58

    i disagree. how can a man who gets stuck in gravel be considered have "blown" anyone away?

    Haha, good point! :D

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 17:58

    There is a famous story about 3 Mercedes drivers going into a bar in the 1930s. Rudolf Caracciola was the top driver of that decade and Manfred von Brauchitsch was another really good driver. With them was Hermann Lang who had been a mechanic and unlike the other two was from a working class background. Many people resented that he had been given a drive with a top team and didn't miss the opportunity to put a dig in. Famously con Brauchitsch said to the waiter "Wine for Herr Caracciola and I and beer for Lang." Some things will never change.

  • jpancoast (4 slices, man! 4!)10/01/2010 at 17:59

    What annoys me is that loads of other drivers have used this tactic and have even been praised for it. Hamilton does it and people say he's arrogant :(

    I think people also complain about how drivers don't show personality, at least in F1. I wish they showed more personality in interviews.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:00

    ar·ro·gant adj.

    Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others

    Lewis [along with Alonso & Schu] are superior to most of the field

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 18:00

    I'm pretty sure Ross Brawn has packed it in with Mercedes and is instead playing darts on BBC2.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:00

    Name me any racing driver in history who was not arrogant. I have spent a lot of years watching or reading about this sport and you can go back to the 1930s and the top drivers had the same attitude. Put down the opposition and establish superiority.

    Jim Clark

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:00

    Lewis [along with Alonso & Schu] are superior to most of the field

    but not jenson?

  • Christine10/01/2010 at 18:01

    I'm pretty sure Ross Brawn has packed it in with Mercedes and is instead playing darts on BBC2.

    Wow!!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:01

    i disagree. how can a man who gets stuck in gravel be considered have "blown" anyone away?

    That was simply lack of experience. Had he been in his second or third season he would have pitted but he had never been in weather that bad before in an F1 car.

    he didn't even win a race until canada. alo by the 2ns race. that's just not true.

    Alonso had a points lead for the first 5 races and never had the lead again. Lewis blew him out the door in one season. He could not have done anything better.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 18:02

    Wow!!

    Even David Croft is commentating on it. I am very confused now. The F1 regulations have changed a lot since November.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:02

    Alonso had a points lead for the first 5 races and never had the lead again. Lewis blew him out the door in one season. He could not have done anything better.

    he could've won the championship. three races from the end. he didn't he ended up on the same points as someone he believes he blew away. sorry, he simply didn't.

    he did blow alonso away in 2008 and again in 2009, that is true. but not 2007. did not happen.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:02

    but not jenson?

    We shall see but I don't think he's in the Top 3, personally

  • jpancoast (4 slices, man! 4!)10/01/2010 at 18:02

    I'm pretty sure Ross Brawn has packed it in with Mercedes and is instead playing darts on BBC2.

    I need to set my dartboard up again....

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:03

    What annoys me is that loads of other drivers have used this tactic and have even been praised for it. Hamilton does it and people say he's arrogant :(

    People took an instant dislike to the Hamiltons and regadless what they do it will be interpreted as arrogance or unsavoury. I am old enough to have listened to numerous sports commentators and fans lamenting the lack of a British sportsman with a winners attitude and who was prepared to stand up and say how good he was.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:03

    What annoys me is that loads of other drivers have used this tactic and have even been praised for it. Hamilton does it and people say he's arrogant :(

    To a non-British person Brit race drivers come over more on the boastful side than most other drivers (as does Schumacher). I cannot remember Kimi being so blatantly boastful.

  • jpancoast (4 slices, man! 4!)10/01/2010 at 18:04

    To a non-British person Brit race drivers come over more on the boastful side than most other drivers (as does Schumacher). I cannot remember Kimi being so blatantly boastful.

    For someone to be boastful, they need to be able to talk first.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:04

    but not jenson?

    Give Jenson a chance - he might just surprise.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:04

    To a non-British person Brit race drivers come over more on the boastful side than most other drivers (as does Schumacher). I cannot remember Kimi being so blatantly boastful.

    That's the tabloid press's fault

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:04

    For someone to be boastful, they need to be able to talk first.

    :D

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:05

    it's an odd thing to bring up, if you ask me. he beat massa to the wdc title on the last lap of the season, and this is the thing he's most keen to reinforce?

    Massa's situation has not significantly changed. Alonso is in a team that should give him the best car he has had since 2007 and Button is moving in at McLaren. Those along with Schumacher are the obvious people to go after.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 18:05

    That's the tabloid press's fault

    Not so fond memories of the Daily Mirror saying in September Jenson is going to fight rubens, as in literally.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:06

    Not so fond memories of the Daily Mirror saying in September Jenson is going to fight rubens, as in literally.

    I never read the Red Tops nor pay any attention to anything quoted from them

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:06

    A lot was in Lewis' favour. Lewis had been connected to the team for 14 years. He tested for them a whole year in the simulator and on the track. The tyres changed that season and Hamilton had prior experience of them. Mark Hughes in his biography said the nature of the car suited Lewis' driving style more than Fernando. Certainly from mid-season onwards Hamilton was favoured in the team above Alonso. Had Alonso not been pushed back on the Grid at the highlight of the dispute it could have been a different story and a different World Champion.

    Why was Alonso pushed back in Hungary? Because Lewis as a rookie was smart enough to get inside his head and rattle him. Alonso should not have been penalised for what he did but that was the second he blew his future at McLaren.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:07

    That's the tabloid press's fault

    I will concede that is a very valid point - I read a lot of German press and yes it is hugely biased but I think somehow elements in the British press make it worse for their drivers. I fully take back my statement with profuse apologies.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:08

    Massa's situation has not significantly changed. Alonso is in a team that should give him the best car he has had since 2007 and Button is moving in at McLaren. Those along with Schumacher are the obvious people to go after.

    I think Vettel or Webber will take the WDC this season.

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:09

    Why was Alonso pushed back in Hungary? Because Lewis as a rookie was smart enough to get inside his head and rattle him. Alonso should not have been penalised for what he did but that was the second he blew his future at McLaren.

    I actually agree with you there and despite being a huge Alonso fan, he really didn't help himself there at all. But you'll never convince me that Lewis blew Alonso away that season. It's simply doesn't add up!

  • jpancoast (4 slices, man! 4!)10/01/2010 at 18:09

    I think Vettel or Webber will take the WDC this season.

    Up until DC appeared on Top Gear this season, the only F1 driver they've had on the show that HAD NOT won the WDC was Mark Webber.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:09

    I will concede that is a very valid point - I read a lot of German press and yes it is hugely biased but I think somehow elements in the British press make it worse for their drivers. I fully take back my statement with profuse apologies.

    No worries

    The British press like to build up their heroes then shoot them down when they fall or scandal comes within sniffing distance

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:10

    Jim Clark

    Jim Clark was very introverted but he had the same edge. He just didn't show it often. At Indy in 1963 he was running second behind Parnelli Jones's car which was spewing oil. The organisers refused to black flag Parnelli because they didn't want a foreigner to win. Clark smiled sweetly but got hold of Chapman and told him he want to go race on another oval to prove he was the best. They went to Milwaukee and won. His personality was not to be outwardly aggressive but he had the same attitude to demostrating his superiority

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:10

    The British press like to build up their heroes then shoot them down when they fall or scandal comes within sniffing distance

    Is that British characteristic?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:11

    I think Vettel or Webber will take the WDC this season.

    Vet, Ham, Schu or Alo

    The best car [for the longest period] will be the decider

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:12

    Is that British characteristic?

    It's a gutter press characteristic

    Brits love an underdog

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:13

    he could've won the championship. three races from the end. he didn't he ended up on the same points as someone he believes he blew away. sorry, he simply didn't.

    If the only thing you look at is points total that is fine. To me though Lewis at the start of that season was a rookie who a lot of people thought was not as good as his reputation and Alonso was the next Schumacher. Yet for the bulk of the season Alonso trailled him and before the end of the season Alonso had completely blown his relationship with McLaren because he could not handle Lewis.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:13

    Jim Clark was very introverted but he had the same edge. He just didn't show it often. At Indy in 1963 he was running second behind Parnelli Jones's car which was spewing oil. The organisers refused to black flag Parnelli because they didn't want a foreigner to win. Clark smiled sweetly but got hold of Chapman and told him he want to go race on another oval to prove he was the best. They went to Milwaukee and won. His personality was not to be outwardly aggressive but he had the same attitude to demostrating his superiority

    The thing is he did not say it - he might believe it. All F1 drivers have huge egos it goes with the territory, just not all show it. I am sure Fangio did - but he was always respected by other drivers of the time, which is more than Lewis is.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:15

    ...Fangio did - but he was always respected by other drivers of the time, which is more than Lewis is.

    I'm sure Ham's ability is respected, just maybe not his persona

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:15

    Brits love an underdog

    Do you not mean Brits love a "British" underdog?

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:15

    I actually agree with you there and despite being a huge Alonso fan, he really didn't help himself there at all. But you'll never convince me that Lewis blew Alonso away that season. It's simply doesn't add up!

    The facts are at the end of the season Alonso was no longer a McLaren driver because Lewis blew him out the door. McLaren could have fired Lewis for a lot less than it cost them to get rid of Alonso and at the same time kept Alonso's experience but despite having all the information we don't they chose to keep Hamilton.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:16

    Yet for the bulk of the season Alonso trailled him and before the end of the season Alonso had completely blown his relationship with McLaren because he could not handle Lewis.

    i agree with what you're saying. but to me that does not equal blowing someone away.

    lewis did blow heikki away.

    leaving your teammate trailing in your wake, race after race, and them having no answer ever is blowing them away. beating them sometimes and ending up in exactly the same place isn't. and i don't see how you can claim that it is.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:16

    Brits love an underdog

    Do you not mean Brits love a "British" underdog?

    No

    But they love them more so

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:17

    I'm sure Ham's ability is respected, just maybe not his persona

    The respect in my context is for the persona at the end of 2008 only Adrian and his team mate was talking to him hence why many drivers wanted Felipe to win the WDC.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:18

    leaving your teammate trailing in your wake, race after race, and them having no answer ever is blowing them away. beating them sometimes and ending up in exactly the same place isn't.

    I agree with Mr C but still think Lewis' statement was hyperbole to rattle the opposition [including Alonso]

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:19

    lewis did blow heikki away.

    Rosberg blew Kaz away last season, Alonso blew PK junior away when team mates.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:20

    lewis did blow heikki away.

    Rosberg blew Kaz away last season, Alonso blew PK junior away when team mates.

    agreed on all counts.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:21

    The respect in my context is for the persona at the end of 2008 only Adrian and his team mate was talking to him hence why many drivers wanted Felipe to win the WDC.

    I'm sure Ron was too

    Doubt it bothers him to be honest, the crown was his. Job done

    [Though it shouldn't be this way]

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:21

    The thing is he did not say it - he might believe it. All F1 drivers have huge egos it goes with the territory, just not all show it. I am sure Fangio did - but he was always respected by other drivers of the time, which is more than Lewis is.

    Fangio was 39 the first time he sat in an F1 car not 22. He was never going to be perceived like Hamilton. You only have to look at how often Fangio moved teams to see his attitude. 4 consecutive world titles driving for 3 different manufacturers including one where he change teams mid-season. He did what he had to to win and if it upset a team or three so be it

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:21

    If the only thing you look at is points total that is fine. To me though Lewis at the start of that season was a rookie who a lot of people thought was not as good as his reputation and Alonso was the next Schumacher. Yet for the bulk of the season Alonso trailled him and before the end of the season Alonso had completely blown his relationship with McLaren because he could not handle Lewis.

    I think the fact that Lewis was a rookie, is irrelevent. He was in the best car and whatever natural talent, (which he has in spades) will always out. His lack of experience let him down that year, similarly Alonso's attitude let him down. They were equally as good in my opinion, not just in terms of points but in everything they did that year. Both are natural talents and both know how to get the most out of a car.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:21

    I'm sure Ron was too

    Doubt it bothers him to be honest, the crown was his. Job done

    ronn fell out with lewis too, didn't he? or at least forgot to mention he was stepping down from the team.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:22

    The facts are at the end of the season Alonso was no longer a McLaren driver because Lewis blew him out the door. McLaren could have fired Lewis for a lot less than it cost them to get rid of Alonso and at the same time kept Alonso's experience but despite having all the information we don't they chose to keep Hamilton.

    Remember Lewis was a very long term investment by McLaren - I think that counts for keeping him. In hindsight it would have been better to have kept Alonso though.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:22

    Remember Lewis was a very long term investment by McLaren - I think that counts for keeping him. In hindsight it would have been better to have kept Alonso though.

    either way, one of them would have been at ferrari fighting back.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:22

    ronn fell out with lewis too, didn't he? or at least forgot to mention he was stepping down from the team.

    Maybe at the beginning of '09

    Rich was referring to the end of '08

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:23

    I think the fact that Lewis was a rookie, is irrelevent. He was in the best car and whatever natural talent, (which he has in spades) will always out. His lack of experience let him down that year, similarly Alonso's attitude let him down. They were equally as good in my opinion, not just in terms of points but in everything they did that year. Both are natural talents and both know how to get the most out of a car.

    I would agree with all you say there - well put.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:23

    Maybe at the beginning of '09

    Rich was referring to the end of '08

    same period, or did they fall out over xmas?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:23

    ... In hindsight it would have been better to have kept Alonso though.

    His personality doesn't fit at McLaren

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:23

    leaving your teammate trailing in your wake, race after race, and them having no answer ever is blowing them away. beating them sometimes and ending up in exactly the same place isn't. and i don't see how you can claim that it is.

    The only reason they finished equal was because in the end the pressure got to Hamilton because he was a rookie. By the time the pressure had taken effect though Alonso's fate had been sealed as he was 17 points behind the rookie and had fallen out with Ron. The fact that the points took a turn at the end cannot change the situation.

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:24

    I would agree with all you say there - well put.

    :D

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:24

    Maybe at the beginning of '09

    Rich was referring to the end of '08

    same period, or did they fall out over xmas?

    :) Who knows

    Referring to F1 seasons, not calendar

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:24

    His personality doesn't fit at McLaren

    Strangely I think Martin Whitmarsh would have managed this better than Ron.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:24

    His personality doesn't fit at McLaren

    Strangely I think Martin Whitmarsh would have managed this better than Ron.

    Agreed

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:25

    The only reason they finished equal was because in the end the pressure got to Hamilton because he was a rookie.

    but i'm not just talking about the points? they were never far apart on track. heikki was rarely ever close to lewis.

    i guess your benchmark for "blown away", is vastly different from mine.

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:26

    but i'm not just talking about the points? they were never far apart on track. heikki was rarely ever close to lewis.

    i guess your benchmark for "blown away", is vastly different from mine.

    I think your definition of blown away is the same as mine... ;)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:26

    The only reason they finished equal was because in the end the pressure got to Hamilton because he was a rookie. By the time the pressure had taken effect though Alonso's fate had been sealed as he was 17 points behind the rookie and had fallen out with Ron. The fact that the points took a turn at the end cannot change the situation.

    Alonso was also having some bad luck at the end - most agreed it was difficult not to aquaplane at Japan which he did and ended his race. I felt both driver yielded to pressure and their failures became a benefit to Kimi. The car was the best.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:27

    I think the fact that Lewis was a rookie, is irrelevent. He was in the best car and whatever natural talent, (which he has in spades) will always out. His lack of experience let him down that year, similarly Alonso's attitude let him down. They were equally as good in my opinion, not just in terms of points but in everything they did that year. Both are natural talents and both know how to get the most out of a car.

    You can't say being a rookie doesn't matter. He had never been to most of the tracks. He had never driven races of that distance. He had never had to make decisions about the car so quickly and h had never had to deal with the pressure of being at the front of F1 like the press TV etc. Doing what he did as a rookie was huge. No rookie in history has come close to that kind of performance.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:27

    I think your definition of blown away is the same as mine... ;)

    :)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:27

    i guess your benchmark for "blown away", is vastly different from mine.

    I think Lewis may be talking about the MTC table football competition that year at Woking

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:27

    I think Lewis may be talking about the MTC table football competition that year at Woking

    that would explain a lot :)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:28

    Alonso was also having some bad luck at the end - most agreed it was difficult not to aquaplane at Japan which he did and ended his race. I felt both driver yielded to pressure and their failures became a benefit to Kimi. The car was the best.

    Well, McLaren definitely lost that championship over Ferrari winning it

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:28

    You can't say being a rookie doesn't matter. He had never been to most of the tracks. He had never driven races of that distance. He had never had to make decisions about the car so quickly and h had never had to deal with the pressure of being at the front of F1 like the press TV etc. Doing what he did as a rookie was huge. No rookie in history has come close to that kind of performance.

    Sorry but JV did just as well in both his Rookie year and his second season.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:28

    Remember Lewis was a very long term investment by McLaren - I think that counts for keeping him. In hindsight it would have been better to have kept Alonso though.

    McLaren have always backed the best driver. Prost was totally secure until Senna arrived and they switched to Senna.

    I really can't see why you think they would have been better with Alonso though.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:28

    What annoys me is that loads of other drivers have used this tactic and have even been praised for it. Hamilton does it and people say he's arrogant :(

    People took an instant dislike to the Hamiltons and regadless what they do it will be interpreted as arrogance or unsavoury. I am old enough to have listened to numerous sports commentators and fans lamenting the lack of a British sportsman with a winners attitude and who was prepared to stand up and say how good he was.

    Well done Steven!

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:29

    Well, McLaren definitely lost that championship over Ferrari winning it

    very much so.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:29

    Sorry but JV did just as well in both his Rookie year and his second season.

    In a vastly superior car

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 18:30

    Note to self: do not attempt to do an IndyCar race on TOCA with someone who just likes to crash...

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:30

    i guess your benchmark for "blown away", is vastly different from mine.

    To me if a rookie can force the team to sack a reigning double world champion and the acknowledged best driver on the grid then he blew him away.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:30

    Is that British characteristic?

    It's a gutter press characteristic

    Brits love an underdog

    Agreed.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 18:30

    Note to self: do not attempt to do an IndyCar race on TOCA with someone who just likes to crash...

    Ahhh TOCA. Good times.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:31

    I really can't see why you think they would have been better with Alonso though.

    I am saying it would have been better to have Alonso with Hamilton rather than Kovy - and sored it out through proper management. In all honesty Alonso was prepared to work things through and kept saying he had a contract and was staying. At that point Ron blew it for the team and should have handed over to the much more balanced Martin.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 18:31

    Ahhh TOCA. Good times.

    Not when you want to do 200 laps of Indianapolis and your brother, despite agreeing to the idea, thinks it's more fun to just hit everyone.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:31

    To me if a rookie can force the team to sack a reigning double world champion and the acknowledged best driver on the grid then he blew him away.

    lewis forced mclaren to sack alonso?

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:32

    In all honesty Alonso was prepared to work things through and kept saying he had a contract and was staying. At that point Ron blew it for the team and should have handed over to the much more balanced Martin.

    i think martin could've saved it too.

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 18:32

    Not when you want to do 200 laps of Indianapolis and your brother, despite agreeing to the idea, thinks it's more fun to just hit everyone.

    You do know that takes three hours in real life?

    Evening all.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:32

    Note to self: do not attempt to do an IndyCar race on TOCA with someone who just likes to crash...

    Coulthard's playing TOCA?

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:32

    Not when you want to do 200 laps of Indianapolis and your brother, despite agreeing to the idea, thinks it's more fun to just hit everyone.

    Hehe sounds like me, the fun bit is making others crash.... is there any other point to racing games?!? ;)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:33

    You can't say being a rookie doesn't matter. He had never been to most of the tracks. He had never driven races of that distance. He had never had to make decisions about the car so quickly and h had never had to deal with the pressure of being at the front of F1 like the press TV etc. Doing what he did as a rookie was huge. No rookie in history has come close to that kind of performance.

    Sorry but JV did just as well in both his Rookie year and his second season.

    To be honest though, Hill wasn't a brilliant driver and Schumi was in a rubbish car.

    JV made a lot of work out of winning the WDC in 97 when he should have walked it...

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:33

    Sorry but JV did just as well in both his Rookie year and his second season.

    Nonsense. JV did well but he was not as impressive as Lewis. No-one is going to argue that Damon Hill was as good as Alonso yet Lewis took 4 wins to Alonso's 3 where JV took 4 to Damon's 8. Lewis matched his team mate on points where JV was 19 points behind his.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 18:33

    You do know that takes three hours in real life?

    Evening all.

    Yes, but I was entirely bored at the time, turns out going in a circle isn't fun.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:34

    You do know that takes three hours in real life?

    Evening all.

    Yes, but I was entirely bored at the time, turns out going in a circle isn't fun.

    It can be - iRacing on short track ovals is a laugh!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:34

    ... In all honesty Alonso was prepared to work things through and kept saying he had a contract and was staying.....

    I remember Kimi saying that quite recently too

    Didn't believe it then, either

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:35

    You do know that takes three hours in real life?

    Evening all.

    Hi Pat

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:35

    In a vastly superior car

    The McLaren was certainly superior in 2007 to anything else. Ferrari success in 2007 and 2008 was because their drivers co-operated and were similarly strong - I still think the McLaren was the best car, and even last season it was at the end of the season the best car.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:35

    I am saying it would have been better to have Alonso with Hamilton rather than Kovy - and sored it out through proper management. In all honesty Alonso was prepared to work things through and kept saying he had a contract and was staying. At that point Ron blew it for the team and should have handed over to the much more balanced Martin.

    Alonso was saying he had a contract to get a bigger settlement. Standard negotiating procedure. There was no chance that he was going to stay with Hamilton as his team mate. It was like Prost and Senna. The team had to choose.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:36

    Alonso was saying he had a contract to get a bigger settlement. Standard negotiating procedure. There was no chance that he was going to stay with Hamilton as his team mate. It was like Prost and Senna. The team had to choose.

    wasn't the argument between ron and alonso?

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:37

    I remember Kimi saying that quite recently too

    Didn't believe it then, either

    I believe Alonso was prepared to give it another shot at McLaren, it was Ron who decided that it was not to be.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:37

    The McLaren was certainly superior in 2007 to anything else. Ferrari success in 2007 and 2008 was because their drivers co-operated and were similarly strong

    And Kimi's car had problems getting to the finish line

    Which is why he left the team

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:37

    lewis forced mclaren to sack alonso?

    Absolutely. He got inside Alonso's head and rattled him in Hungary. That lead to Alonso parking in the pit and preventing Hamilton getting out to set a time at the end of quali. That lead to Alonso threatening to go to Max and that lead to him getting sacked. If Hamilton had not been ahead of him in the championship and been able to get inside his head Alonso would still be at McLaren.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:38

    i think martin could've saved it too.

    No chance. You can't have two guys like that in the same team for long.

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 18:38

    Yes, but I was entirely bored at the time, turns out going in a circle isn't fun.

    Depends where you do it. Indy is a bit big and the cars are flat out. Try somewhere shorter where you have to brake. Does it have Milwaukee?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:38

    wasn't the argument between ron and alonso?

    The spygate confession vs grassing up the team

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:39

    If Hamilton had not been ahead of him in the championship and been able to get inside his head Alonso would still be at McLaren.

    fair enough. i don't see it that way at all.

    ron said he could handle them, and he failed to do so. alonso rubbed ron up the wrong way and so he had to go.

    the beard was not grown to annoy lewis... was it?

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:39

    The McLaren was certainly superior in 2007 to anything else. Ferrari success in 2007 and 2008 was because their drivers co-operated and were similarly strong - I still think the McLaren was the best car, and even last season it was at the end of the season the best car.

    The FIA contributed as well

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:39

    Alonso was saying he had a contract to get a bigger settlement. Standard negotiating procedure. There was no chance that he was going to stay with Hamilton as his team mate. It was like Prost and Senna. The team had to choose.

    Alonso had a multi-year contract - there was no bargaining. He WAS prepared to stay with Lewis. This is not altruistic he wanted a second chance.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:39

    Yes, but I was entirely bored at the time, turns out going in a circle isn't fun.

    Depends where you do it. Indy is a bit big and the cars are flat out. Try somewhere shorter where you have to brake. Does it have Milwaukee?

    The best fun is short tracks with smaller cars I reckon. I hate restrictor plates and flat out races!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:39

    I believe Alonso was prepared to give it another shot at McLaren, it was Ron who decided that it was not to be.

    Alonso was contractually obliged to, until things were settled in the interest of both parties

  • James10/01/2010 at 18:40

    the beard was not grown to annoy lewis... was it?

    hehe love the beard ;)

    #nothere

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:40

    the beard was not grown to annoy lewis... was it?

    It is amazing how much of a neat freak Ron must be to ban long/facial hair. I dread to think what Jenson is going to end up looking like!

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:40

    No chance. You can't have two guys like that in the same team for long.

    We have a test in your theory with Alonso now at Ferrari and Felipe is a fairly fiery character as well with the potential to match Alonso on some tracks.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:41

    The FIA contributed as well

    As always

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:42

    We have a test in your theory with Alonso now at Ferrari and Felipe is a fairly fiery character as well with the potential to match Alonso on some tracks.

    Alonso will show him his diffuser in most races

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:42

    Absolutely. He got inside Alonso's head and rattled him in Hungary. That lead to Alonso parking in the pit and preventing Hamilton getting out to set a time at the end of quali. That lead to Alonso threatening to go to Max and that lead to him getting sacked. If Hamilton had not been ahead of him in the championship and been able to get inside his head Alonso would still be at McLaren.

    Agreed, to a certain extent. But still whether or not Lewis rattled Alonso or not, it still doesn't equate to the fact that based purely on driving and talent that, that year they were equals. To clarify I'm sure Lewis was referring to him being a better driver that year and nothing about psyching him out etc

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:42

    It is amazing how much of a neat freak Ron must be to ban long/facial hair. I dread to think what Jenson is going to end up looking like!

    Ron is a bit of a nutter and honestly he should have handed over to Martin 12 months earlier.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:43

    ron said he could handle them, and he failed to do so. alonso rubbed ron up the wrong way and so he had to go.

    Depends how you look at it. Ron went into the season knowing he had an established star and a young driver who had potential. At the end of it he had an established star who a lot of people believe will never leave the team so he came out of it OK. He didn't manage to make the two of them love each other but that was only ever going to happen if Hamilton was slower.

    It's like the Prost/Senna situation. People say Ron handled it badly but in the two seasons they were together they won everything and at the end of it the best driver in the sport had been blown out the door by the new best driver in the sport.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:43

    Ron is a bit of a nutter and honestly he should have handed over to Martin 12 months earlier.

    agreed.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:44

    To clarify I'm sure Lewis was referring to him being a better driver that year and nothing about psyching him out etc

    i'd agree with that.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:44

    Alonso had a multi-year contract - there was no bargaining. He WAS prepared to stay with Lewis. This is not altruistic he wanted a second chance.

    I am sure a case could have been made for him being in breach of contract as was widely discussed at the time. There is no way he was going to stay and take on Hamilton with a year's experience when he couldn't beat him as a rookie.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:45

    To clarify I'm sure Lewis was referring to him being a better driver that year and nothing about psyching him out etc

    He didn't say that specifically, which is unfortunate.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:45

    Alonso will show him his diffuser in most races

    Really depends how well Felipe has recovered - overall in terms of points and wins he actually got the better of Kimi (slightly) - sure Kimi got the WDC by one point and Felipe missed it by 1 point - I think those were such narrow things as to almost equal each out.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:45

    We have a test in your theory with Alonso now at Ferrari and Felipe is a fairly fiery character as well with the potential to match Alonso on some tracks.

    That only applies if Massa is as fast and aggressive as Alonso and the team is right up the front.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:46

    He didn't say that specifically, which is unfortunate.

    Well, not that got published anyway - cos that wouldn't gain as much interest, if it were said

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:46

    Alonso will show him his diffuser in most races

    I think so too. Remember how long it took Webber to fully heal from a broken leg? Well Massa has a broken head. Can't see him beating Alonso at least until 2011.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:47

    It's like the Prost/Senna situation. People say Ron handled it badly but in the two seasons they were together they won everything and at the end of it the best driver in the sport had been blown out the door by the new best driver in the sport.

    That was before Ron lost it. Whether intentional or not he seemed to have rally put Mercedes back's up last year.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:47

    Alonso will show him his diffuser in most races

    Really depends how well Felipe has recovered ...

    No, I just think Alonso is that much better than Massa

    This year and previously

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:47

    Agreed, to a certain extent. But still whether or not Lewis rattled Alonso or not, it still doesn't equate to the fact that based purely on driving and talent that, that year they were equals. To clarify I'm sure Lewis was referring to him being a better driver that year and nothing about psyching him out etc

    On driving Lewis beat him. The only reason Hamilton did not finish 25 points ahead in the championship is that he ran into situations at the end of the season he did not have the experience to cope with. He lead the championship for most of his rookie season which put tremendous pressure on him and in the end he couldn't cope but by then he had dealt with Alonso.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:48

    That only applies if Massa is as fast and aggressive as Alonso and the team is right up the front.

    I am not convinced Ferrari are over their problems.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:48

    Ron is a bit of a nutter and honestly he should have handed over to Martin 12 months earlier.

    He started with nothing and built the best team in the sport. You can;t say his way is not right.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:49

    I am not convinced Ferrari are over their problems.

    Of losing Schu & Brawn you mean?

    Me neither :)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:50

    No, I just think Alonso is that much better than Massa

    This year and previously

    Like many people you under-estimate Felipe, I think he might give Alonso a run for his money despite the accident.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:50

    Really depends how well Felipe has recovered - overall in terms of points and wins he actually got the better of Kimi (slightly) - sure Kimi got the WDC by one point and Felipe missed it by 1 point - I think those were such narrow things as to almost equal each out.

    I think the real difference this year is that he and Alonso like th car to be the same and on pace for me Alonso is better. I don't see how Massa can beat him when he won't have a car that is more to his liking than his team mates.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:50

    Agreed, to a certain extent. But still whether or not Lewis rattled Alonso or not, it still doesn't equate to the fact that based purely on driving and talent that, that year they were equals. To clarify I'm sure Lewis was referring to him being a better driver that year and nothing about psyching him out etc

    On driving Lewis beat him. The only reason Hamilton did not finish 25 points ahead in the championship is that he ran into situations at the end of the season he did not have the experience to cope with. He lead the championship for most of his rookie season which put tremendous pressure on him and in the end he couldn't cope but by then he had dealt with Alonso.

    I think personally that if a rookie can level with a 2-time world champion and rattle him psychologically then he has beaten him, just because there is no way that should have happened.

    Although having said that, If I had been running my blog in 2007 I probably would have said that the fact that they were level on points means that they were dead even.

    It really depends on how you choose to look at it...

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:51

    On driving Lewis beat him. The only reason Hamilton did not finish 25 points ahead in the championship is that he ran into situations at the end of the season he did not have the experience to cope with. He lead the championship for most of his rookie season which put tremendous pressure on him and in the end he couldn't cope but by then he had dealt with Alonso.

    Oh dear... we have to agree to disagree here! This whole thing could go on forever ;)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:51

    I think so too. Remember how long it took Webber to fully heal from a broken leg? Well Massa has a broken head. Can't see him beating Alonso at least until 2011.

    These kind of injutries can take a couple of years to get over properly although no driver will ever admit that until years later.

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:51

    Of losing Schu & Brawn you mean?

    Me neither :)

    i think they're in a better position.

    remember, they lost their position as favoured tyre tester. the fia banned them from using the test track at the bottom of their garden and everyone had a decent simulator bar them.

    this year, they've removed the kers problem, found a motivated driver and have nicked newey's best bits. what can go wrong?

  • me10/01/2010 at 18:52

    Oh dear... we have to agree to disagree here! This whole thing could go on forever ;)

    3 years and counting...

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 18:52

    3 years and counting...

    :)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:52

    I think the real difference this year is that he and Alonso like th car to be the same and on pace for me Alonso is better. I don't see how Massa can beat him when he won't have a car that is more to his liking than his team mates.

    Most driver's discount this sort of argument other than for short periods. Designers try to produce a neutral car that gives a window for tuning to driver preference. Rather more significant is how a tyre and a driving style interact, especially during qualifying.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:53

    On driving Lewis beat him. The only reason Hamilton did not finish 25 points ahead in the championship is that he ran into situations at the end of the season he did not have the experience to cope with. He lead the championship for most of his rookie season which put tremendous pressure on him and in the end he couldn't cope but by then he had dealt with Alonso.

    Oh dear... we have to agree to disagree here! This whole thing could go on forever ;)

    I think it will do in some form or another. This is the sort of question the journalists will be writing books about for years to come.

    Look at it this way - for Christmas I got a book on Senna Vs. Prost that is reasonably recent!

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:53

    3 years and counting...

    Oh....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:54

    I think the real difference this year is that he and Alonso like th car to be the same and on pace for me Alonso is better. I don't see how Massa can beat him when he won't have a car that is more to his liking than his team mates.

    Most driver's discount this sort of argument other than for short periods. Designers try to produce a neutral car that gives a window for tuning to driver preference. Rather more significant is how a tyre and a driving style interact, especially during qualifying.

    What was said at the Mercedes Driver Day? Pedalo said something about designers trying to design neutral cars?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:54

    Like many people you under-estimate Felipe, I think he might give Alonso a run for his money despite the accident.

    His achievements wouldn't be what they are without Smedley

    I don't think he's as naturally talented to be considerd Top 5

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:54

    Oh I feel exhausted now but yay that was fun! :D

    Alonso is still the best.... XDD

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:55

    That was before Ron lost it. Whether intentional or not he seemed to have rally put Mercedes back's up last year.

    He had his own road car designed to go into competition with Mercedes. I am sure Mercedes reaction to that was not a surprise to him. He has been holding Mercedes off for years. They bought 30% of McLaren to eventually get control and as soon as that deal was done Ron and Ojjeh sold 40% to Mumtalakat to stop Mercedes getting control.

    Ron decided to get rid of Mercedes when he did that deal. Now he has their engines and a preferential contract over their other customers while he launches a car in competition with them and sets up his own F1 engine program in competition with them.

    Again it seems to me that he won.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:55

    i think they're in a better position.

    Ah, the White Visor?

    Of course ;)

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 18:55

    Oh dear... we have to agree to disagree here! This whole thing could go on forever ;)

    This sort of thing usually does.

    #SeenItAllBeforeWithDifferentDrivers..

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 18:55

    Oh I feel exhausted now but yay that was fun! :D

    Alonso is still the best.... XDD

    Sidepodcast is one of the only places on the internet where we can have these kinds of discussions without abuse and flame wars.

    This place is awesome :D

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:56

    this year, they've removed the kers problem, found a motivated driver and have nicked newey's best bits. what can go wrong?

    Karma ;)

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 18:56

    Sidepodcast is one of the only places on the internet where we can have these kinds of discussions without abuse and flame wars.

    This is true

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:56

    I am not convinced Ferrari are over their problems.

    I think they could go either way. I would like to see Alonso get established there but I worry that the team is returning to their bad old ways and he could lose out again.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 18:56

    His achievements wouldn't be what they are without Smedley

    I don't think he's as naturally talented to be considerd Top 5

    but he has Smedley and he has achieved a lot - in fact for the last three seasons (for the same races he competed with Lewis and Kimi) he has scored more points per race starts. I think that shows some talent.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 18:56

    These kind of injutries can take a couple of years to get over properly although no driver will ever admit that until years later.

    The brain will heal for up to 5 years

    Depends on the level of damage sustained by Massa

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:57

    Oh dear... we have to agree to disagree here! This whole thing could go on forever ;)

    It has done

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 18:57

    Sidepodcast is one of the only places on the internet where we can have these kinds of discussions without abuse and flame wars.

    Yeah it certainly seems so and I agree this place is pretty damn awesome :D

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 18:58

    Oh I feel exhausted now but yay that was fun! :D

    I am sure we will have the same discussion again in a few weeks. It's like F1 groundhog day

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:00

    Alonso is still the best.... XDD

    In my books he is the best driver taking the last three seasons then I think it is fairly equal between Felipe, Kimi and Lewis and fifth best is Vettel. I know I have ignored Jenson and hope I am proved wrong.

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 19:00

    I am sure we will have the same discussion again in a few weeks. It's like F1 groundhog day

    Yay! I look forward to it then :)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:00

    but he has Smedley and he has achieved a lot - in fact for the last three seasons (for the same races he competed with Lewis and Kimi) he has scored more points per race starts. I think that shows some talent.

    I'm not saying he's not talented

    Just not as naturally talented as the Top 5 in the field

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 19:01

    Yay! I look forward to it then :)

    I think I said it when you first popped up in the comments, you will honestly wonder how you managed to watch f1 without real time comments :)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:03

    I'm not saying he's not talented

    Just not as naturally talented as the Top 5 in the field

    But in term of the last three seasons he quite clearly is in the top five based on results.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:03

    I think I said it when you first popped up in the comments, you will honestly wonder how you managed to watch f1 without real time comments :)

    I miss too much over the race

    I only live comment during Barcelona, Valencia, Hungary & Abu Dhabi now ;)

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 19:03

    I think I said it when you first popped up in the comments, you will honestly wonder how you managed to watch f1 without real time comments :)

    Yes, I'm thinking that will definitely be the case!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:04

    I've got the Sunday evening blues, made worse by the 4 day weekend and only the two day week.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:04

    But in term of the last three seasons he quite clearly is in the top five based on results.

    So, his still not in the Top 5 best drivers

    He's fortunate enough to be with Ferrari and his manager is called Todt

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:06

    So, his still not in the Top 5 best drivers

    He's fortunate enough to be with Ferrari and his manager is called Todt

    You can only say he is not in your top five, for most people he is in their top five.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:06

    You can only say he is not in your top five, for most people he is in their top five.

    Respectfully, I just disagree

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:07

    You can only say he is not in your top five, for most people he is in their top five.

    Alonso, Schu [grrrr!], Lewis, Button, Vettel, Kubica

    All, IMHO, much better than Massa

    [WDC points are irrelevant]

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:09

    I miss too much over the race

    I only live comment during Barcelona, Valencia, Hungary & Abu Dhabi now ;)

    i don't believe you, i shall remind you of this in november.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:10

    *waves* Hello!

    I've been persuaded by the lovely Lara, to come and join the fun! I'm sad to see that I've missed the Alonso V Lewis discussion though :(

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:10

    All, IMHO, much better than Massa

    [WDC points are irrelevant]

    They just win championships and prize money. Surprised you have not got Kimi in your list.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:10

    Hi Saira.

    A discussion like that can be started any time you like

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:11

    I've been persuaded by the lovely Lara, to come and join the fun! I'm sad to see that I've missed the Alonso V Lewis discussion though :(

    Ah, welcome! She would be right in stating that it is fun here!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:11

    They just win championships and prize money. Surprised you have not got Kimi in your list.

    He is not in F1 any more

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 19:11

    *waves* Hello!

    I've been persuaded by the lovely Lara, to come and join the fun! I'm sad to see that I've missed the Alonso V Lewis discussion though :(

    Wooohoo, you're here XD

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:11

    i don't believe you, i shall remind you of this in november.

    I forgot to add

    'continually comment' & 'any boring race' ;)

    Of course, now the F1 App will be distracting me too

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:12

    I've been persuaded by the lovely Lara, to come and join the fun! I'm sad to see that I've missed the Alonso V Lewis discussion though :(

    Some of it revolved around being "blown away"- it seems to have a different meaning to many folk!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:12

    They just win championships and prize money. Surprised you have not got Kimi in your list.

    He's not a current F1 driver, only reason

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:12

    *waves* Hello!

    Welcome Saira

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:12

    I forgot to add

    'continually comment' & 'any boring race' ;)

    still don't believe you.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:12

    Of course, now the F1 App will be distracting me too

    Your such a big F1 fan, you don't watch the races any more :)

    Hey Saira.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:13

    They just win championships and prize money. Surprised you have not got Kimi in your list.

    Championships is a good indication of talent though ;)

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:13

    Wooohoo, you're here XD

    Yep, you poked me enough, lol!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:13

    I forgot to add

    'continually comment' & 'any boring race' ;)

    still don't believe you.

    I can't help it

    But it does make me miss much of the racing ;)

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:14

    I've been persuaded by the lovely Lara, to come and join the fun! I'm sad to see that I've missed the Alonso V Lewis discussion though :(

    good evening. on any other sunday, we'd be doing a live show. damnit.

    are you guys commenting across the room like lou and em, or cross country like lou and lukeh?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:14

    good evening. on any other sunday, we'd be doing a live show. damnit.

    Oh, I miss them so much. :( As long as I don't break something!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:15

    A discussion like that can be started any time you like

    Haha I gather you were on the Lewis side of things? I'm not as big a Fernando fan as Lara but I'm afraid Lewis really isn't my fave person!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:15

    Oh, I miss them so much. :( As long as I don't break something!

    Back soon, check the calendar

    http://sidepodcast.com/playground/calendar.php

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:15

    Oh, I miss them so much. :( As long as I don't break something!

    gotta rebuild the server and then we'll do more. give us a week or two.

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:16
  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:16

    gotta rebuild the server and then we'll do more. give us a week or two.

    YAY!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:16

    Haha I gather you were on the Lewis side of things? I'm not as big a Fernando fan as Lara but I'm afraid Lewis really isn't my fave person!

    People just seem to dislike him. I don't understand it. So who is your favourite then?

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:17

    People just seem to dislike him. I don't understand it. So who is your favourite then?

    only when he claims things that are untrue :)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:17

    People just seem to dislike him. I don't understand it. So who is your favourite then?

    I can't quite get it either. I think he's brilliant to watch sometimes, he really does push to the limit. Ok, so he's had a few mistakes in his time, he's young.

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 19:17

    People just seem to dislike him. I don't understand it. So who is your favourite then?

    No matter what anyone tells you, the correct answer is Rubens, Saira. ;)

  • lou10/01/2010 at 19:18

    are you guys commenting across the room like lou and em, or cross country like lou and lukeh?

    not sure if i should be worried or not that i'm in both of those descriptions...

    Welcome Saira :)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:18

    No matter what anyone tells you, the correct answer is Timo Glock, Saira. ;)

    I think thats what you meant, wasn't it lukeh?

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:18

    not sure if i should be worried or not that i'm in both of those descriptions...

    ;P

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:18

    only when he claims things that are untrue :)

    If he walked around giving people chocolate wrapped in £50 notes people would say he was trying to poison them with the ink from the money

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:18

    good evening. on any other sunday, we'd be doing a live show. damnit.

    are you guys commenting across the room like lou and em, or cross country like lou and lukeh?

    Good evening to you too! Actually ages ago, I did somehow catch a live show but then promptly forgot about this place again - oops!

    We're cross country!

  • Lukeh10/01/2010 at 19:18

    I think thats what you meant, wasn't it lukeh?

    You appear to have confused Timo Glock with Rubens. It's an easy mistake to make, both are awesome, but I'd get that checked out RG :P

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:19

    No matter what anyone tells you, the correct answer is David Coulthard, Saira. ;)

    Fixed. :P

  • lou10/01/2010 at 19:19

    ;P

    hmmmmm...

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 19:19

    To be fair, I have had more confidence with USF1 than these guys and Virgin F1 b ecasue of my aeronautical nature. They said that they where going to use a "Skunk Works" approach, and since "Skunk Works" is a code word for Lockheed's Aircraft top-secret R&D and manufacturing plant, they seem to be backing up their ideas. {Comment #211}

    It would have helped if the "Skunk Works" had been invoked from the beginning, rather than introduced after six months of silence, itself preceded by a declaration that there would be unprecedented openness. That strikes me as a team that hasn't found its natural state of being yet.

    Saying it's a "Skunk Works" is not the same as actually having one and only time will tell if the second attempt at describing USF1's intended modus operandi proves accurate.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:19

    You appear to have confused Timo Glock with Rubens. It's an easy mistake to make, both are awesome, but I'd get that checked out RG :P

    Compared to what Tom's just wrote, I think I'm fine.

  • lou10/01/2010 at 19:20

    No matter what anyone tells you, the correct answer is David Coulthard, Saira. ;)

    Fixed. :P

    Saira is gonna think we are all very strange... :)

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:20

    We're cross country!

    in that case, there's a map needing your name on it:

    http://sidepodcast.com/2010/01/04/where-art-thou/

    ;)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:20

    Saira is gonna think we are all very strange... :)

    What? I'm not strange?

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:20

    Compared to what Tom's just wrote, I think I'm fine.

    amazed no-one has mentioned franck/

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:20

    Saira is gonna think we are all very strange... :)

    You say that like we aren't. ;)

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:21

    Oh dear, this place moves quick... To answer you all

    My fave driver is Jarno Trulli but I also like Glock and Alonso :)

    Don't fear Lara will tell you I'm pretty weird too ;)

  • lou10/01/2010 at 19:21

    amazed no-one has mentioned franck/

    that's christine's job right??.. or are we getting points for these answers?..

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:22

    amazed no-one has mentioned franck/

    What have you done this time? ;)

    Every time you bring you Franck it is because you are in trouble

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:22

    Don't fear Lara will tell you I'm pretty weird too ;)

    No, you like Glock. Therefore, are a legend.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:22

    My fave driver is Jarno Trulli...

    Do you have photos to prove that?

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 19:23

    Don't fear Lara will tell you I'm pretty weird too ;)

    Is very true ;)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:23

    Every time you bring you Franck

    you Franck?! Mr C is Franck?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:23

    Saira is gonna think we are all very strange... :)

    We are ;)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:23

    you Franck?! Mr C is Franck?

    Yet another theory...

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 19:23

    Alianora, about your dream, I can only ask if Joe Saward and / or Stuart Codling were on your side feeding box-feed magazines ? {Comment #213}

    They were both definitely in the room in my dream (along with every other current F1 journalist whose photo I've ever seen), but they were sitting half-way in the press corps and by the time they'd joined in, the whole concept of "sides" had become a tad ambiguous. I wouldn't know if they were on my side, Jean's or simply trying to protect themselves enough to actually write about the whole debacle. However, I do not need the dream to tell me Joe and Flavio would not be on the same side...

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:24

    Every time you bring you Franck it is because you are in trouble

    me? nuffink :)

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:24

    No, you like Glock. Therefore, are a legend.

    Yay of course, the Glockgod is awesome! XD

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:24

    Yet another theory...

    Therefore, the Stig is.... Franck Montagny

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:24

    Every time you bring you Franck

    you Franck?! Mr C is Franck?

    Therefore Franck is The Stig.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:24

    Do you have photos to prove that?

    Haha, as it happens, yes!!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:24

    Therefore, the Stig is.... Franck Montagny

    I thought the Stig was allergic to the French? :P

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:25

    that's christine's job right??.. or are we getting points for these answers?..

    :D

    Well said

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:25

    Yay of course, the Glockgod is awesome! XD

    I can't think of anyone else who thinks that

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:25

    Haha, as it happens, yes!!

    Ah yes, just like Jarno then. He has photos to prove everything.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:25

    Is very true ;)

    And you are very normal, my dear ;)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:27

    I thought the Stig was allergic to the French? :P

    Is why he left France for Top Gear

  • Lara W10/01/2010 at 19:27

    Aargh gotta go! Maybe see you all later.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 19:28

    Is why he left France for Top Gear

    Some say, he was the French's attempt at a top secret warfare robot that went horribly wrong...

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:28

    Aargh gotta go! Maybe see you all later.

    Bye bye. Behave yourself!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:28

    Aargh gotta go! Maybe see you all later.

    See ya Lara

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:29

    Aargh gotta go! Maybe see you all later.

    Bye Lara

  • lou10/01/2010 at 19:29

    Aargh gotta go! Maybe see you all later.

    see you :)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:29

    Aargh gotta go! Maybe see you all later.

    Cheerio

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 19:29

    Comments are too distracting, I've got suff to do

    [attempts to go into Black Ops mode]

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 19:30

    Just a quick mention of a wonderfully self-serving blog post asking the question I asked here before about blog names.. :-)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:30

    [attempts to go into Black Ops mode]

    New crumb tray for the toasters?

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:30

    Ah cool, RG will have to keep a beady eye on that, looks cool! Thanks for the link :)

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 19:31

    Hi Saira. Welcome to the mad house :-D

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:31

    Ah cool, RG will have to keep a beady eye on that, looks cool! Thanks for the link :)

    Might be doing somethin over the week. Probably something like a news round up or the like.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:33

    Hi Saira. Welcome to the mad house :-D

    Hello! I think mad house is an apt description from what I've seen so far! But that's good.

  • me10/01/2010 at 19:33

    Comments are too distracting, I've got suff to do

    meet too. be good y'all and i'll be back around 2(ish).

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:33

    Over the last three seasons where all drivers have started a race (to ensure you compare apples with apples) it is as follows...

    Lewis scored 4.9 points per race

    Felipe scored 4.84 points per race

    Kimi scored 4.43 points per race

    Fernando scored 3.77 points per race

    The fifth most scoring driver is with being withheld.

    Alonso

    compared to

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:34

    Might be doing somethin over the week. Probably something like a news round up or the like.

    Well, I've bookmarked it.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:34

    meet too. be good y'all and i'll be back around 2(ish).

    Later

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:35

    Alonso

    compared to

    Meant to say it is very difficult to compare Alonso to the other three as the car was less competitive overall for two seasons.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 19:35

    meet too. be good y'all and i'll be back around 2(ish).

    See ya Bassano and Mr C

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:37

    Saira,

    You may want to have a read of the newbie guide. It helps explain some of the stuff that goes on round here and will help you understand some of the in terms that are used. If you have any ideas for things that should be added to it just post a comment and it will be dealt with.

    http://sidepodcast.com/about/new-to-sidepodcast-quick-start-guide/

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:39

    You may want to have a read of the newbie guide. It helps explain some of the stuff that goes on round here and will help you understand some of the in terms that are used. If you have any ideas for things that should be added to it just post a comment and it will be dealt with.

    Thanks I did skim read it earlier. There is kinda a lot to take in, there does seem to be a lot going on here on the site generally.

  • lou10/01/2010 at 19:43

    i'm gonna go disapear and get this essay finished... seriously can't wait till i go to uni. byee! xx

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:43

    Thanks I did skim read it earlier. There is kinda a lot to take in, there does seem to be a lot going on here on the site generally.

    It's handy to know where it is if you are struggling to understand anything but if you have questions at any time just ask. The people here will all try to help you and explain things. There is a lot going on and once the season starts it is chaos.

    You will see people talking about dropio from time to time. Any type of file can be posted there for sharing and you won't believe some of the things that can be found. http://drop.io/sidepodcast/

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:43

    i'm gonna go disapear and get this essay finished... seriously can't wait till i go to uni. byee! xx

    Bye Lou. Keep out of the snow

  • lou10/01/2010 at 19:44

    Bye Lou. Keep out of the snow

    oh i forgot to update you all.. it's melting..there is still loads of it left but i should be in school tomorrow (boooo!!)

    #nothere

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:45

    oh i forgot to update you all.. it's melting..there is still loads of it left but i should be in school tomorrow (boooo!!)

    #nothere

    Glad it is getting better.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 19:48

    It's handy to know where it is if you are struggling to understand anything but if you have questions at any time just ask. The people here will all try to help you and explain things. There is a lot going on and once the season starts it is chaos.

    Thanks, I'm sure to get confused at some point, knowing me! But I'll surely ask if I need to.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 19:48

    Also in that article

    there is a suggestion in Gazzetta that USF1 has applied to the FIA for a derogation to miss the early fly away races and start at the Spanish Grand Prix in April {Comment #216}

    Um... ...I can see that conversation going well:

    FIA: This is Jean Todt from the Federation International Automobile. How may I help you?

    USF1 Delegate: This is the unlucky USF1 delegate. We'd like a derogation to miss the first three races, please.

    FIA: Why?

    USF1 Delegate: We're not ready yet.

    FIA: When did you start getting ready?

    USF1 Delegate: Um... ...early 2009, though we did do some preparation work a bit before that.

    FIA: How long have Virgin F1 and Lotus F1 had to be ready?

    USF1 Delegate: Who cares? They're European and don't work as hard.

    FIA We care because like you they have a contract to uphold.

    USF1 Delegate: But...

    FIA: But me no buts and spare me the nationalistic lectures! How long have Virgin F1 and Lotus F1 had to be ready?

    USF1 Delegate: Er... ...blah, flail... ...Since May 2009, but they could have planned earlier if they'd wanted to. We did.

    FIA: Even so, they're not asking for a derogation and you are.

    USF1 Delegate: We are... ...oh.

    FIA: Do you remember signing the Concorde Agreement?

    USF1 Delegate: Dimly. It was some time ago.

    FIA: Well, it says you can't miss multiple races without force majeure.

    USF1 Delegate: We have a very obvious situation requiring force majuere. Surely it's an open-and shut case.

    FIA: You could say that, but let the FIA be the judge. Has your factory exploded?

    USF1 Delegate: No.

    FIA: Have you been abandoned by all your sponsors?

    USF1 Delegate: No, and I resent the implied insult to our loyal sponsors.

    FIA: Has a hitherto-secret alien invasion abducted your car and staff for scientific analysis aimed at securing galactic peace, love and unlimited ice cream on toast?

    FIA: What?!?

    FIA: I'll take that as a no.

    USF1 Delegate: Well, if we'd all been abducted, we wouldn't be able to phone you because there'd be no signal on a hypothetical alien homeworld.

    FIA: True. Of course, if Lotus and Virgin can make it in less time, so should you.

    USF1 Delegate: (whimpers)

    FIA: Doesn't sound like there's much point even forwarding your application to Mr Todt.

    USF1 Delegate: I'll sue you! I'll sue you! I'll...

    FIA: I get the point. Letters addressed to Mr Mosley should find the legal team.

    USF1 Delegate: You can't do this!

    FIA: (shouted) Receptionist! Can you call Zoran Stefanovic and tell him he's in F1 this year?

    USF1 Delegate: Noooooooooooooooo!

    FIA: (click)

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 19:52

    Arrows had this problem in 2002 I think... {Comment #226}

    Correct. They only got out of paying a huge penalty on account of going bankrupt.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 19:54

    Um... ...I can see that conversation going well:

    I am sure if the conversation does/did happen Bernie would be in the middle lying to both sides.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 19:55

    they can. but they will forfeit prize money.

    Do we think they'll actually get any points this year? {Comment #223}

    You get some money as long as you qualify or make it to 25% of at least one race distance. Even if it's in last. It's just that the amount for scoring points is considerably larger than that of the race progress and qualifying amounts. This admittedly assumes that the new Concorde Agreement is based on a similar structure to the old one in this regard, but there's no reason I can think of that any changes of significance would have been made.

    Of course, asking for derogation when Stefan GP is in the wings is a fairly good way of ensuring that even those are impossible achievements.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 19:56

    I am sure if the conversation does/did happen Bernie would be in the middle lying to both sides. {Comment #560}

    Assuming Bernie even got a say in the matter...

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 19:57

    I am sure if the conversation does/did happen Bernie would be in the middle lying to both sides.

    yes with different lies!

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 19:58

    I guess they all get tv money {Comment #235}

    Ironically, TV money is the one thing USF1 wouldn't get - not until the end of 2012, at any rate. Unless that's changed with the new Agreement, which admittedly is reasonably likely given the FIA's agenda at the time of signing.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 20:00

    I thought every team except the last one in the championship got prize money {Comment #244}

    Top 10 teams in the championship get money for championship position, though this may have been extended to all 13 depending on whether the proposed changes to Concorde actually happened.

    The exception is any team that is less than three years old, which gets no TV or travel money, only performance-based prize money for positions in qualifyings and each quartile point of each race.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 20:04

    let's say x2 two teams don't make the grid for bahrain. can cosworth still afford to compete? didn't the need a minimum number of cars on the grid to make the numbers add up? {Comment #250}

    My guess is that they can for 2010, based on having received deposits from all the teams prior to signing them. If they've been savvy, those deposits plus monthly payments will already have covered all or nearly all of the costs of development, leaving only supply costs to be met. Of course, two teams not arriving in Bahrain means that for the 2010 season supply costs will be down as well as income.

    2011 may be another matter. Though I imagine that there would be subtle pressure on teams whose contracts are coming to an end to switch to Cosworth...

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:06

    2011 may be another matter. Though I imagine that there would be subtle pressure on teams whose contracts are coming to an end to switch to Cosworth...

    The problem is that the Cosworth engine may be not very competitive or unreliable. Then what will happen? Nobody wants to have an engine that won't win them races.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 20:06

    Dear dear Lewis humbleness really is not in your genes, he has just be quoted as saying...

    "It was my first season in Formula 1, alongside a World Champion - a double World Champion - and I blew him away. I beat him." {Comment #275}

    Has Lewis mistaken F1 for boxing?

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 20:08

    The problem is that the Cosworth engine may be not very competitive or unreliable. Then what will happen? Nobody wants to have an engine that won't win them races. {Comment #567}

    True. That doesn't mean they'll get much choice in the matter if they want to curry favour with the powers-that-be.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:09

    True. That doesn't mean they'll get much choice in the matter if they want to curry favour with the powers-that-be.

    Suppose so.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 20:10

    Has Lewis mistaken F1 for boxing?

    he he - I like that!

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 20:11

    Name me any racing driver in history who was not arrogant. {Comment #297}

    Damon Hill, for a start, and also Jim Clark... Quite a few drivers manage not to be arrogant (while still having masses of self-belief and, frequently, social assertiveness)

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 20:14

    Lewis was a rookie against a 2 time champion and he blew him straight out the door {Comment #292}

    I don't think Lewis blew Fernando out the door. Fernando blew Fernando out of the door, due to his modus operandi and McLaren's conflicting in a massive and ingloriously messy way. Lewis just happened to be in a position to pick up the pieces.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:28

    I don't think Lewis blew Fernando out the door. Fernando blew Fernando out of the door, due to his modus operandi and McLaren's conflicting in a massive and ingloriously messy way. Lewis just happened to be in a position to pick up the pieces.

    Yep, sadly Fernando handled the whole McLaren situation very badly. He likes to dominate team-mates, which he didn't manage to do with Lewis. I'm sure it would've turned out the same with any other driver who performed as well as Lewis but him being a rookie made it even worse. Just my opinion.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 20:29

    Damon Hill, for a start, and also Jim Clark... Quite a few drivers manage not to be arrogant (while still having masses of self-belief and, frequently, social assertiveness)

    Never heard that Graham Hill was arrogant either. Is JYS really that arrogant?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:30

    Yep, sadly Fernando handled the whole McLaren situation very badly. He likes to dominate team-mates, which he didn't manage to do with Lewis. I'm sure it would've turned out the same with any other driver who performed as well as Lewis but him being a rookie made it even worse. Just my opinion.

    Absolutely right. He shouldn't have taken it as bad as he did, I think that's what caused the problems.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 20:31

    Lewis doesn't realise that just because his Dad says something he isn't always right.... and he shouldn't repeat it in polite company....

    Especially when it's about you... as Dad is a tad biased and compromised on the subject....

    He is a good driver and his Dad's help in learning where to brake must have been helpful (although doesn't speak of completely natural talent!)....

    Think for yourself Lewis and stop being a class A prat.....

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:34

    Absolutely right. He shouldn't have taken it as bad as he did, I think that's what caused the problems.

    But then at the same time, I do feel he was badly treated by McLaren, who I still believe were very much biased towards Lewis. I love Fernando dearly but I did lose some respect for him after that whole mess.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 20:34

    Never heard that Graham Hill was arrogant either. Is JYS really that arrogant?

    They both presented themselves in a different manner but I have bever thought of JYS as being exactly modest. Graham Hill went to Lotus as Jim Clark's team mate and you have to have a level of arrogance to do that

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 20:36

    Lewis doesn't realise that just because his Dad says something he isn't always right.... and he shouldn't repeat it in polite company....

    Why do you think this came from his father?

    He is a good driver and his Dad's help in learning where to brake must have been helpful (although doesn't speak of completely natural talent!)....

    There is no such thing as a completely natural talent. Everyone has to learn to apply their talent.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:37

    But then at the same time, I do feel he was badly treated by McLaren, who I still believe were very much biased towards Lewis. I love Fernando dearly but I did lose some respect for him after that whole mess.

    There was some bias I think, due to the hype that surrounded Lewis' entry into F1, and McLaren played to that. They could have handled Alonso's temper better.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 20:38

    They both presented themselves in a different manner but I have bever thought of JYS as being exactly modest. Graham Hill went to Lotus as Jim Clark's team mate and you have to have a level of arrogance to do that

    They never expressed themselves verbally in such an arrogant way. I was at a point where I started to think Lewis might be OK, now I agree Lewis is still a class A prat could not have been better said.

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 20:39

    Hey guys, wha's happenin'?

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 20:39

    Self belief doesn't always mean you have to be arrogant....

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 20:41

    Self belief doesn't always mean you have to be arrogant....

    I think nearly all drivers have self belief - even PK!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:41

    There was some bias I think, due to the hype that surrounded Lewis' entry into F1, and McLaren played to that. They could have handled Alonso's temper better.

    Yeah, McLaren couldn't handle Fernando. He was definitely spoilt at Renault under Flavio, being the 'golden boy'. I think it'll be interesting to see how he manages at Ferrari, irrespective of whether Massa challenges him or not.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:43

    Self belief doesn't always mean you have to be arrogant....

    I completely agree, you need self belief to be in any kind of sport but by no means are all sportspeople arrogant.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:43

    Yeah, McLaren couldn't handle Fernando. He was definitely spoilt at Renault under Flavio, being the 'golden boy'. I think it'll be interesting to see how he manages at Ferrari, irrespective of whether Massa challenges him or not.

    I think Massa will have the upper hand, slightly, making a comeback from his injury, and of course, being the old hand there now. I'm not sure how Ferrari will play it though. It could go either way.

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 20:43

    Yeah, McLaren couldn't handle Fernando. He was definitely spoilt at Renault under Flavio, being the 'golden boy'. I think it'll be interesting to see how he manages at Ferrari, irrespective of whether Massa challenges him or not.

    I think Massa's made it his team in the 4 years he's been there, as it was interesting to note that Ferrari went from being an average team to a better one once he'd had his accident. Granted that was mostly due to Raikkonen being the forebearer of the team's expectations, but he was forced out due to the team wanting Alonso. The title, IMO, is his to lose next year.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 20:45

    Yeah, McLaren couldn't handle Fernando. He was definitely spoilt at Renault under Flavio, being the 'golden boy'. I think it'll be interesting to see how he manages at Ferrari, irrespective of whether Massa challenges him or not.

    I just think he went to Macca with one set of expectations and it went pear-shaped including Lewis being better than most people expected. I realise I am alone, but I actually feel that Lewis' first season was in many ways his best season. Sure he made mistakes but mid season he seemed to be in a dominating position, a situation that has not really happened since - but it could be the car.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 20:45

    I think Massa's made it his team in the 4 years he's been there, as it was interesting to note that Ferrari went from being an average team to a better one once he'd had his accident. Granted that was mostly due to Raikkonen being the forebearer of the team's expectations, but he was forced out due to the team wanting Alonso. The title, IMO, is his to lose next year.

    I think that was mainly before the accident where they became good. Raikkonen got a podium in Monaco and Massa one in Germany.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:46

    I think Massa will have the upper hand, slightly, making a comeback from his injury, and of course, being the old hand there now. I'm not sure how Ferrari will play it though. It could go either way.

    I think if Fernando can feel comfortable there, he'll really show Massa up. I really believe Massa has nothing on Fernando but a lot will depend on team politics again, I fear.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:47

    I think if Fernando can feel comfortable there, he'll really show Massa up. I really believe Massa has nothing on Fernando but a lot will depend on team politics again, I fear.

    Unfortunately for you, I think Alonso will still be slightly behind Massa, being new to the team. Until he can settle in, that will be the case.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 20:47

    I think that was mainly before the accident where they became good. Raikkonen got a podium in Monaco and Massa one in Germany.

    Massa was in a groove of consistently getting points just before the accident, he had an unfortunate retirement when in a good position and of course lost places with the bogus fuel problem.

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 20:48

    People just seem to dislike him. I don't understand it. So who is your favourite then?

    No matter what anyone tells you, the correct answer is Rubens, Saira. ;) {{Comment #490}

    I thought it was Fisi? Oh well, good thing Sidepodcast is the sort of place where everyone can co-exist irrespective of who their favourite is... ;)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:49

    I thought it was Fisi? Oh well, good thing Sidepodcast is the sort of place where everyone can co-exist irrespective of who their favourite is... ;)

    Yep, it certainly is! I'd be laughed at for liking David Coulthard. Oh wait...

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 20:49

    I think if Fernando can feel comfortable there, he'll really show Massa up. I really believe Massa has nothing on Fernando but a lot will depend on team politics again, I fear.

    I think a lot of it will depend on how Alonso handles the pressure of being a Ferrari driver. Some drivers thrive on it and others just crumble.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 20:49

    "Why do you think this came from his father?"

    Just say I have a feeling...

    If not the actual saying then the general suggestion that he "blew away" Alonso.....

    Perhaps I am being charitable because if he is repeating the ideas of Dad I can write it off as something put into his head which, as a very young and rather spoilt guy, is understandable... but if it's all his own idea he should also remember that cheats never prosper.... and that was where Alonso lost the championship in Hungary and how Lewis will forever be defined on the world stage after Oz 2009....

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 20:51

    but if it's all his own idea he should also remember that cheats never prosper....

    Really? Schumacher has done well on all his cheating and he is far from being alone.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:51

    Unfortunately for you, I think Alonso will still be slightly behind Massa, being new to the team. Until he can settle in, that will be the case.

    That may be true at the start, but sorry I've just never rated Massa at all and can't see him in the end being much competition for Fernando.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 20:52

    Yep, it certainly is! I'd be laughed at for liking David Coulthard. Oh wait...

    I am laughed at for Nick being by favourite driver - not that I would consider him a top 5 driver.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:53

    That may be true at the start, but sorry I've just never rated Massa at all and can't see him in the end being much competition for Fernando.

    No, I don't think much of him either. I'm no Ferrari fan and don't pay much interest in their drivers.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:53

    I think a lot of it will depend on how Alonso handles the pressure of being a Ferrari driver. Some drivers thrive on it and others just crumble.

    I don't see pressure from outside as being a problem for Fernando. His pressure comes from within and his need to be the best.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:56

    I've decided to support my local F1 team, at least until they move out to Malaysia. Go Lotus! :D

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 20:57

    Right, I have a Honda RA300 to tame tonight. Woo me! Back in a while, hopefully with half a result to hand. Cyas!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 20:57

    I've decided to support my local F1 team, at least until they move out to Malaysia. Go Lotus! :D

    Yay!! Me too but that's just because of Jarno. Otherwise I'm really liking the look of Virgin XD

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 20:58

    Yay!! Me too but that's just because of Jarno. Otherwise I'm really liking the look of Virgin XD

    Jarno'll be my top driver for the team, he's good for a flying lap in Quali. Shame he doesn't have race pace though.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:00

    That may be true at the start, but sorry I've just never rated Massa at all and can't see him in the end being much competition for Fernando.

    No, I don't think much of him either. I'm no Ferrari fan and don't pay much interest in their drivers.

    It is because you are being influenced by the media - most other F1 driver actually rate Massa rather highly. Admittedly he had a slower start than other drivers. Also remember he was essentially the second driver - Kimi was the intended number 1 driver. How many drivers have moved from number 2 to an almost number 1 position (well at least equal number 1)? If Massa is like his old self Alonso will get beaten at certain "Massa" tracks (Turkey, Brazil).

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:00

    Interesting how Stephano has said Ferrari need a leader .... so he doesn't rate Massa...

    Actually I don't rate Stephano.... he's mean't to be the leader.... and shouldn't need a specific driver.... as long as the drivers are good drivers (and up to 2008 when Stephano took, or should I say attempted to take, control most thought Kimi was much much better than good....

    Jean Todt made use of Kimi's talents.... and ensured the engineers got the car he needed...

    I really, really feel that unless Ferrari replace Stephano, now they can't rely on all the testing they could do in Michael's era, they will struggle....

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:01

    Jarno'll be my top driver for the team, he's good for a flying lap in Quali. Shame he doesn't have race pace though.

    I know I'm very biased, but I do believe the whole thing with his race pace is exaggerated. He's just not aggressive enough and is too sensitive if the car isn't to his liking. But without a doubt he is the fastest driver! :D

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:02

    Jarno'll be my top driver for the team, he's good for a flying lap in Quali. Shame he doesn't have race pace though.

    Joe says he is the definitive fastest when it comes to one lap specials, that he defines exactly how fast a car can go. Pity about the race though.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:04

    Joe says he is the definitive fastest when it comes to one lap specials, that he defines exactly how fast a car can go. Pity about the race though.

    It is. Look at his performance in Bahrain. Pole on the grid, but couldn't convert it into a win. He was lucky to keep on the podium.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:06

    "Really? Schumacher has done well on all his cheating and he is far from being alone."

    Hmmm....

    I understand your point but actually the reason Schumacher isn't rated more highly against the all time greats is:-

    1. His failure to accept a top line team mate... and his guaranteed No 1 status in the team....

    2. His cheating....

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:06

    Interesting how Stephano has said Ferrari need a leader .... so he doesn't rate Massa...

    Yeap - and at times I think Felipe almost got to be a leader. Clearly that was the issue Ferrari had with Kimi - it was not what he delivered on the track. I think Ferrari are setting themselves up for disappointment with Alonso - call it gut feeling and too high expectations. I do not think Robert is a leader either, I am still open on Vettel I think he might actually be the real deal.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:06

    It is because you are being influenced by the media - most other F1 driver actually rate Massa rather highly. Admittedly he had a slower start than other drivers. Also remember he was essentially the second driver - Kimi was the intended number 1 driver. How many drivers have moved from number 2 to an almost number 1 position (well at least equal number 1)? If Massa is like his old self Alonso will get beaten at certain "Massa" tracks (Turkey, Brazil).

    I have to admit he has improved massively, I think when he's up against Fernando, we'll get a truer picture of exactly how good he is. Kimi is a very frustrating driver but essentially looking at pure talent he has Massa beat, but his attitude let him down.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:08

    It is because you are being influenced by the media - most other F1 driver actually rate Massa rather highly. Admittedly he had a slower start than other drivers. Also remember he was essentially the second driver - Kimi was the intended number 1 driver. How many drivers have moved from number 2 to an almost number 1 position (well at least equal number 1)? If Massa is like his old self Alonso will get beaten at certain "Massa" tracks (Turkey, Brazil).

    The reason he kept beating Kimi at Turkey is because it is an understeer track. There are quite a few understeer generator corners on it. Alonso likes understeer as much as he does so he will not have an advantage at the Massa tracks.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:08

    I understand your point but actually the reason Schumacher isn't rated more highly against the all time greats is:-

    Actually Michael did not always get through traffic very effectively if he ended up mid field.

    And Jock said he did not handle pressure very well, that is why he is not Michaels engineer.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:09

    "How many drivers have moved from number 2 to an almost number 1 position (well at least equal number 1)? "

    That'll be Lewis then....

    And he and Massa had the benefit in each case of being heavily "in" with the team....

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:10

    The reason he kept beating Kimi at Turkey is because it is an understeer track. There are quite a few understeer generator corners on it. Alonso likes understeer as much as he does so he will not have an advantage at the Massa tracks.

    I have heard drivers say this under-steer over-steer is overstated, something the press has caught onto. Nick in one interview was saying drivers like a "neutral car".

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:11

    Jean Todt made use of Kimi's talents.... and ensured the engineers got the car he needed...

    I think that has more to do with luck than anything else. Ferrari have always built cars with slight understeer and all their historic data is on that kind of car. They should not have signed Kimi as he was never going to like their cars and he should not have signed for them for the same reasons.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:11

    I know I'm very biased, but I do believe the whole thing with his race pace is exaggerated. He's just not aggressive enough and is too sensitive if the car isn't to his liking. But without a doubt he is the fastest driver! :D

    Gavin needs to do one of his stats posts on that

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:11

    And he and Massa had the benefit in each case of being heavily "in" with the team....

    My point is the Felipe is not that bad - he kept Kimi honest and I think he will do the same to Fernando.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:12

    I understand your point but actually the reason Schumacher isn't rated more highly against the all time greats is:-

    He has 7 championships and more fans than any living driver. I call that prospering.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:13

    "Clearly that was the issue Ferrari had with Kimi -"

    There was no issue when Jean Todt was there....

    Interestngly as the 2007 season wore on the engineers started to get a car suited to Kimi.... Jean manged the team ....

    In 2008 they didn't as no-one smacked them round the head enough....

    Stephano is no leader...

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:13

    I know I'm very biased, but I do believe the whole thing with his race pace is exaggerated. He's just not aggressive enough and is too sensitive if the car isn't to his liking. But without a doubt he is the fastest driver! :D

    I actually did an analysis of what could be expected given overall car performance - and Jarno came out as the best qualifier - either than or Timo is truly awful at qualifying!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:15

    Actually Michael did not always get through traffic very effectively if he ended up mid field.

    And Jock said he did not handle pressure very well, that is why he is not Michaels engineer.

    Schumacher has always been good at putting in a sequence of very fast laps on an empty track and Ross Brawn was good a finding him empty track. In wheel to wheel situations Schumacher was nothing special. Had he raced before pit stops he would have been a Jarno Trulli. A really quick driver that people can't understand why he can't win lots of races.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:15

    I actually did an analysis of what could be expected given overall car performance - and Jarno came out as the best qualifier - either than or Timo is truly awful at qualifying!

    That stat doesn't surprise me at all. For whatever concerns over his race pace, you can't dismiss his qualifying ability.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:15

    "He has 7 championships and more fans than any living driver. I call that prospering."

    I think he let himself down big time....

    He may have prospered financially but funnily will never have universal appropbation and support because he let himself down....

    He will always have the "cheat" label...

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:16

    And he and Massa had the benefit in each case of being heavily "in" with the team....

    I think this is more to the point - but Lewis it was there all the time just hidden in case Felipe I think he earned respect as no one really expected him to do as well as he has done.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:16

    That stat doesn't surprise me at all. For whatever concerns over his race pace, you can't dismiss his qualifying ability.

    Oh yes, that's why I think he might have the upper hand over Heikki at Lotus.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:16

    either than or Timo is truly awful at qualifying!

    He's an average qualifier, but excellent racer. Most of the time he's out in Q2. Most of the time, you'll be seeing him finishing above Trulli in races.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:18

    I have heard drivers say this under-steer over-steer is overstated, something the press has caught onto. Nick in one interview was saying drivers like a "neutral car".

    Depends on the drivers. If you look at the way Alonso drove before the single tyre formula he went into a corner with the front wheels turned in further than anyone else and waited for them to grip. Hamilton is the opposite. He likes to throw the car at a corner and catch the rear. Most drivers like a neutral car but not all of them and many of those who like a neutral car like it because they can induce oversteer or understeer

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:18

    He's an average qualifier, but excellent racer. Most of the time he's out in Q2. Most of the time, you'll be seeing him finishing above Trulli in races.

    I think that's a fair analysis.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:19

    He's an average qualifier, but excellent racer. Most of the time he's out in Q2. Most of the time, you'll be seeing him finishing above Trulli in races.

    In 2009 Timo made the most number of on-track for position overtakes - in 2008 it was Nick. Of course there is bias in such data - because it is easier to overtake if your qualifying is poor and you therefore have a greater potential to overtake than guys at the front - so it does not say very much.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:19

    "I have heard drivers say this under-steer over-steer is overstated, something the press has caught onto. Nick in one interview was saying drivers like a "neutral car".

    Kimi has clearly said that he hates understeer and that he preferred the tricky drive of the 2009 car to the 2008 car because of that...

    He's also said the best car for him was the 2005 Macca which had oversteer characteristics....

    (Perhaps that's why Nick never hit the heights?....)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:20

    I think he let himself down big time....

    I agree with everything you say about him but he has a better record than anyone else and many people actually believe he was the best ever however stupid that may be.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:22

    (Perhaps that's why Nick never hit the heights?....)

    Some drivers do like a neutral car and others like Clark or Schumacher seem to be able to get a time out of anything they drive regardless of handling.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:23

    (Perhaps that's why Nick never hit the heights?....)

    Jenson has said much the same thing as have engineers. But Jenson and Nick have a similar driving style.

  • Nick in Dubai10/01/2010 at 21:24

    (Perhaps that's why Nick never hit the heights?....)

    I never what?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 21:24

    STOP THE PRESSES! Exciting news - Team Manager John Anderson Joins US F1!

    http://www.usgpe.com/news/john-anderson-racing-legend-joins-us-f1-team.html

    (No, I've never heard of him either ;) )

  • jpancoast (4 slices, man! 4!)10/01/2010 at 21:25

    STOP THE PRESSES! Exciting news - Team Manager John Anderson Joins US F1!

    They now have two men at the top of the team with the last name of Anderson. This is going to get confusing.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:25

    "I agree with everything you say about him but he has a better record than anyone else and many people actually believe he was the best ever however stupid that may be."

    But there are enough of peeps like you and me who cannot accept him as the best ever to mean that his career will for ever be marred by the "cheat" label.... and I may be wrong... but I think Michael finds that hard to accept....

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:25

    I never what?

    It's why you stuck the straw in the wrong end of your Capri Sun and embarrassed Alison.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:25

    http://www.usg...joins-us-f1-team.html

    I didn't realise Clive Anderson was Team Principal and CEO! Well, it looks like him in the picture...

  • Nick in Dubai10/01/2010 at 21:26

    It's why you stuck the straw in the wrong end of your Capri Sun and embarrassed Alison.

    Its her own fault, it was the lotus 88 of packaged juice drinks...

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:26

    STOP THE PRESSES! Exciting news - Team Manager John Anderson Joins US F1!

    Isn't he the Scottish bloke from Gladiators? ;)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:26

    (Perhaps that's why Nick never hit the heights?....)

    In all honestly unlike Kovy - in all the years he has been driving collectively his team mates have only scored 1 victory - so some of it is being in the right car.

  • Lady Snowcat10/01/2010 at 21:26

    "Jenson has said much the same thing as have engineers. But Jenson and Nick have a similar driving style."

    And I think Jenson just got very very lucky last year.... but we'll see next year....

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 21:26

    2 x USF1 news:

    - Jonny Noble spoke to them and they deny reports they asked for a delay, and plan to be at Bahrain.

    http://twitter.com/NobleF1/statuses/7605086238

    - And the team themselves just confirmed they hired long-time Indycar and ALMS team manager John Anderson. He last worked for De Ferran Motorsports and if Gil rates him, so do I.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:27

    Isn't he the Scottish bloke from Gladiators? ;)

    That would make USF1 much more interesting... :)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:27

    (No, I've never heard of him either ;) )

    He seems to have moved around an awful lot.

  • Nick in Dubai10/01/2010 at 21:27

    They now have two men at the top of the team with the last name of Anderson. This is going to get confusing.

    Im sure they will have team shirts with huge nametags ;)

    I love the comment about his wife, you dont get that from McLaren!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:28

    But there are enough of peeps like you and me who cannot accept him as the best ever to mean that his career will for ever be marred by the "cheat" label.... and I may be wrong... but I think Michael finds that hard to accept....

    I am sure he does but he will keep on doing what he has always done. The difference is Max is no longer at the FIA to look after him.

  • jpancoast (4 slices, man! 4!)10/01/2010 at 21:28

    Isn't he the Scottish bloke from Gladiators? ;)

    "Billy, do you like movies about Gladiators?"

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:28

    Its her own fault, it was the lotus 88 of packaged juice drinks...

    It had two containers?

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:28

    Isn't he the Scottish bloke from Gladiators? ;)

    USF1 Ready?

    Not yet. You wanna buy a toaster?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:29

    "Billy, do you like movies about Gladiators?"

    I think she meant the British TV show from the 90s. Happy memories of my childhood right there...

  • Nick in Dubai10/01/2010 at 21:30

    It had two containers?

    Well 2 ways of using it at least...

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:30

    I think she meant the British TV show from the 90s. Happy memories of my childhood right there...

    Subsequently ruined by Sky1 in the 00s

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:30

    USF1 Ready?

    Not yet. You wanna buy a toaster?

    :D

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:30

    And I think Jenson just got very very lucky last year.... but we'll see next year....

    A lot of people think so - but six wins out of the first seven races, four pole positions, one of the best overtaking records (although that has statistical bias) and he lead the championship from start to finish by a comfortable margin says a lot to me. A lot will depend on how much wear is associated with the extra fuel as this could harm Lewis comparatively to Jenson.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:30

    Subsequently ruined by Sky1 in the 00s

    Correct. I instantly switched it off.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 21:31

    I think she meant the British TV show from the 90s. Happy memories of my childhood right there...

    Subsequently ruined by Sky1 in the 00s

    The Americans managed to ruin their own version too :(

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:31

    I think she meant the British TV show from the 90s. Happy memories of my childhood right there...

    I sure did, it was awesome XD

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:31

    I sure did, it was awesome XD

    Oh yes, I vaguely remember it from when I was little. Good times.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:32

    Not yet. You wanna buy a toaster?

    I suggest you wait until Bahrain before ordering, otherwise it could be a very long wait!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:33

    Oh yes, I vaguely remember it from when I was little. Good times.

    How can you not remember Gladiators?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:34

    I suggest you wait until Bahrain before ordering, otherwise it could be a very long wait!

    They've had to reconfigure one toaster into a second nosecone after the first one got put into the impact test rig.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:35

    How can you not remember Gladiators?

    Some of my earliest memories of watching television come from that show! That's how much it stuck with me.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)10/01/2010 at 21:36

    Good night guys ;)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:36

    I did an analysis and came up with the following as the best combination

    Jarno's qualifying pace,

    Vettel's race pace,

    Kimi's ability to set fastest lap records

    Nick's consistency of finishing

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:37

    Some of my earliest memories of watching television come from that show! That's how much it stuck with me.

    Oh dear, that makes me feel old, to me the original Gladiators seems like it was only a few years ago.....

  • Nick in Dubai10/01/2010 at 21:37

    Good night guys ;)

    me too *technicaly good morning ;)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:37

    Oh dear, that makes me feel old, to me the original Gladiators seems like it was only a few years ago.....

    Don't worry, I'm not that young!

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:38

    Some of my earliest memories of watching television come from that show! That's how much it stuck with me.

    New way to qualify. Everyone do the gladiators events then come race day, by how many points they got. We get Charlie Whiting going

    "Fernando Alonso, you will go on my first whistle. Lewis Hamilton, you will go on my second whistle." And everyone will be happy

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:38

    Good night guys ;)

    Night mate.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:42

    Don't worry, I'm not that young!

    Just looked it up because I'm sad! It started in 1992 and finished in 2000. I clearly remember it starting out.....

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:43

    Just looked it up because I'm sad! It started in 1992 and finished in 2000. I clearly remember it starting out.....

    It started just before my time then!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:44

    Don't worry, I'm not that young!

    It started just before my time then!

    You are that young then.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:44

    You are that young then.

    Fair enough. But I don't feel young. Only mentally.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:44

    It started just before my time then!

    Oh dear god, I was just starting secondary school then!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:45

    Just found a page on the wiki which is calling out my name: Sporting Injuries

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:46

    Just found a page on the wiki which is calling out my name: Sporting Injuries

    No need to look at that mate. Just add yours and leave.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:47

    No need to look at that mate. Just add yours and leave.

    Too late! :D Don't worry, I'm not one to judge on this sort of thing, it'd make me a hypocrite!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:49

    Just found a page on the wiki which is calling out my name: Sporting Injuries

    You really qualify for that. There are some classics on there like Massa sneezing in a lift and hurt his neck or Valentino Rossi slashing his hand and foot open while closing curtains not to mention Mr C's fly swatting injury.

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sporting+injuries

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sporting+injuries

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:52

    You really qualify for that. There are some classics on there like Massa sneezing in a lift and hurt his neck or Valentino Rossi slashing his hand and foot open while closing curtains not to mention Mr C's fly swatting injury.

    http://wiki.si...age/Sporting+injuries

    I could not find a reference to Massa sneezing in a lift - so decided it must been something I got wrong in my head.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:53

    You really qualify for that.

    Added my coccyx break to the list. Was considering being the first of 2010 with my finger trap.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:54

    Oh my just discovered the wiki....

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:55

    Added my coccyx break to the list. Was considering being the first of 2010 with my finger trap.

    Just add it. You can look back onto it and laugh.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:55

    Oh my just discovered the wiki....

    You will have to add yourself to it if you're going to come here often (which you will, it's inevitable)!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:56

    Just add it. You can look back onto it and laugh.

    Fine, I'll take the honour of the first injury of the year and decade...

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 21:57

    Oh my just discovered the wiki....

    There is a lot of interesting stuff in there. It's hard to get bored round here.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:57

    You will have to add yourself to it if you're going to come here often (which you will, it's inevitable)!

    Haha, don't know about adding myself to the wiki, but yes I can see how this place can be very addictive!

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:57

    Oh my just discovered the wiki....

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/SPC+Regulars

    Might help to create a page.... ;)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 21:58

    Haha, don't know about adding myself to the wiki, but yes I can see how this place can be very addictive!

    Yep, I started a few weeks before Christmas and now I'm part of the furniture!

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 21:58

    Added my coccyx break to the list. Was considering being the first of 2010 with my finger trap.

    Well this Xmas eve I feel down two flight of stairs, because I was talking to some one about Formula 1 and missed the first step. Ended up with a slipped disk and a lot of visiting to people who earn way more than me.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 21:58

    There is a lot of interesting stuff in there. It's hard to get bored round here.

    Yeah so it seems, which is good as I easily get bored and like having many distractions!

  • RG10/01/2010 at 21:58

    Haha, don't know about adding myself to the wiki, but yes I can see how this place can be very addictive!

    I'd recommend adding yourself to the wiki. You can ask Joe questions for example

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Questions+for+Joe

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 22:00

    Hey all.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:01

    I'd recommend adding yourself to the wiki. You can ask Joe questions for example

    Mmmh we'll see.

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 22:02

    Haha, don't know about adding myself to the wiki, but yes I can see how this place can be very addictive!

    Wait until the Panels start.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:03

    Wait until the Panels start.

    What?

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 22:03

    Wait until the Panels start.

    :D

    Welcome btw

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:03

    Oh my, just flicked through the notebook on my desk and found a poem I'd written about the RB5 when it was launched. I was clearly bored that day.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:04

    Oh my, just flicked through the notebook on my desk and found a poem I'd written about the RB5 when it was launched. I was clearly bored that day.

    Now you can't just say that and not share it.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:05

    Now you can't just say that and not share it.

    I will do, I'll post it to t'blog or something.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:05

    Welcome btw

    Thank you and hello to you too :)

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 22:06

    Wait until the Panels start.

    What?

    Funniest podcasts EVER

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:06

    I will do, I'll post it to t'blog or something.

    In fact, it'll get it's own little bit on my wiki page...

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 22:07

    Wait until the Panels start.

    What?

    Funniest podcasts EVER

    We're over halfway through the off season, and we haven't done any yet. We need to!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:08

    Funniest podcasts EVER

    Ah okay :)

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 22:08

    Woooo home from work, computer has miraculously healed itself!

  • Andy Taylor10/01/2010 at 22:09

    Woooo home from work, computer has miraculously healed itself!

    Hello and hello all!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:10

    Woooo home from work, computer has miraculously healed itself!

    Good day then

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 22:11

    Good day then

    Not really. This part where I'm warm and at home and my computer is working is good :)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:11

    Wait until the Panels start.

    What?

    Try this http://sidepodcast.com/2009/05/12/sidepodpanel-why-does-god-hate-finnish-people/

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:12

    Not really. This part where I'm warm and at home and my computer is working is good :)

    You just missed Nick. He must have seen you arrive

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:16

    Right, that poem I mentioned. http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/RB5+Poem

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 22:17

    You will have to add yourself to it if you're going to come here often (which you will, it's inevitable)!

    You haven't forced me to do so.

    Hi BTW, had the Honda's camshaft up and vanish at Stowe corner. Lasted just over halfway through the race. Not impressed.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:18

    You haven't forced me to do so.

    We haven't? Thats been quite poor from us.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:18

    You haven't forced me to do so.

    Have we not? Oops. Do it!

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 22:19

    You just missed Nick. He must have seen you arrive

    Hehehe I told him to go to bed. It's stupid o'clock there!!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:20

    You haven't forced me to do so.

    Hello! I honestly don't think I'll be forced into doing that either....

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:20

    Right, that poem I mentioned. http://wiki.si...ast.com/page/RB5+Poem

    We have never had an official sidepodcast poet that I can remember. I can see you being volunteered to write poems on momentous occasions.

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 22:21

    Hello! I honestly don't think I'll be forced into doing that either....

    Welcome to the "not-going-to-add-ourselves-to-the-SidepodWiki-club"! :D

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:21

    We have never had an official sidepodcast poet that I can remember. I can see you being volunteered to write poems on momentous occasions.

    Ah, I shall be the Sidepodbard!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:21

    Hehehe I told him to go to bed. It's stupid o'clock there!!

    He was telling us that it was perfectly sensible to stick the straw in the bottom of a Capri Sun

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:21

    Hello! I honestly don't think I'll be forced into doing that either....

    There will be a way. And when that day comes, means a new start for sidepodcast. A revoluntionary start for sidepodcast, mwahahahahaha

    Hmm, that was a bit too movie villainish wasn't it?

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 22:22

    He was telling us that it was perfectly sensible to stick the straw in the bottom of a Capri Sun

    Definitely time for bed then!!! Shocking behaviour....

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:22

    Hello! I honestly don't think I'll be forced into doing that either....

    You won't be forced. Just encouraged. After enough encouragement everyone signs up.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:22

    Welcome to the "not-going-to-add-ourselves-to-the-SidepodWiki-club"! :D

    Yay!! We'll need to stick together on this issue I think :D

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:23

    Welcome to the "not-going-to-add-ourselves-to-the-SidepodWiki-club"! :D

    Pah.

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 22:23

    You won't be forced. Just encouraged. After enough encouragement everyone signs up.

    I never bothered to make my own page. I meant to, then forgot.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:23

    There will be a way. And when that day comes, means a new start for sidepodcast. A revoluntionary start for sidepodcast, mwahahahahaha

    Hmm, that was a bit too movie villainish wasn't it?

    Hahaha :D

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:24

    You won't be forced. Just encouraged. After enough encouragement everyone signs up.

    Oh I dunno, I can be quite stubborn!

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 22:24

    Yay!! We'll need to stick together on this issue I think :D

    Good idea. Beer? I has several!

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:25

    I never bothered to make my own page. I meant to, then forgot.

    Right, everyone without a wiki account/page will be going off 'RG's christmas card list'.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:25

    Good idea. Beer? I has several!

    Ah thanks, very kind :) I'll never say no to alcohol.... lol!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:26

    I never bothered to make my own page. I meant to, then forgot.

    I blame RG. He is the wiki man he should be helping people make pages.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:26

    Oh I dunno, I can be quite stubborn!

    I hear Jarno Trulli has photos to prove that the wiki is, surprisingly, not at fault for anything, but is very good. :)

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 22:26

    Right, everyone without a wiki account/page will be going off 'RG's christmas card list'.

    Ooooh, someone's getting personal!

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 22:26

    I'll never say no to alcohol.... lol!

    You're going to fit in well here I think!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:26

    Oh I dunno, I can be quite stubborn!

    We will see

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 22:26

    Ah thanks, very kind :) I'll never say no to alcohol.... lol!

    Haha, you and I could be best friends at this rate! :D

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:26

    I blame RG. He is the wiki man he should be helping people make pages.

    But they are all stubborn/forgetful. Its useless.

  • Alison10/01/2010 at 22:27

    But they are all stubborn/forgetful. Its useless.

    Remind Nick. He can do it for me and I'll let the Capri Sun go....

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:27

    But they are all stubborn/forgetful. Its useless.

    You need to show them the advantages

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:27

    I hear Jarno Trulli has photos to prove that the wiki is, surprisingly, not at fault for anything, but is very good. :)

    Hahaha, hope you're not making fun of Jarno ;)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:27

    Remind Nick. He can do it for me and I'll let the Capri Sun go....

    :D

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:28

    Hahaha, hope you're not making fun of Jarno ;)

    No, just using him as a sort of hook into wiki world!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:29

    Haha, you and I could be best friends at this rate! :D

    Yay! This could be the start of a beautiful friendship..... (think I've misquoted, but you get the idea!

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 22:29

    Right, I just got roped into starting a GPL server, so will say goodbye for now and pleasant greetings to all.

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:29

    You need to show them the advantages

    There are so many advantages I simply can't put it all in one post.

    It's like why you should have a facebook/twitter account. You miss things if you don't have one. The wiki is central to organising things on SPC, also useful for archives and finding out all the info on the place. It is, in short, freakin brilliant.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:30

    Right, I just got roped into starting a GPL server, so will say goodbye for now and pleasant greetings to all.

    You could do a wiki page on that ;)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:30

    Right, I just got roped into starting a GPL server, so will say goodbye for now and pleasant greetings to all.

    Good luck and don't hit anyone.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:30

    No, just using him as a sort of hook into wiki world!

    Oh I see, I think even the lure of Jarno won't convince me!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 22:31

    Oh I see, I think even the lure of Jarno won't convince me!

    Fair enough. I'm sure we'll all do that instead. You can't escape the wiki...

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 22:31

    But they are all stubborn/forgetful. Its useless.

    You need to show them the advantages

    Write a wiki page on why the wiki is so good.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:31

    It's like why you should have a facebook/twitter account. You miss things if you don't have one. The wiki is central to organising things on SPC, also useful for archives and finding out all the info on the place. It is, in short, freakin brilliant.

    So people would know that if they wanted to follow SPC people on twitter there is not need to find out everyone's individual account. They just need to use Mr C's programming genius.

    http://sidepodcast.com/playground/microblogging.php

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:35

    Write a wiki page on why the wiki is so good.

    How about letting anyone suggest a show for sidepodradio2? Where else can you do that? But if you sign up for the wiki you can have any type of show you like

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sidepodradio+2

    And you get all the details on the original sidepodradio

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/Sidepodradio

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:35

    So people would know that if they wanted to follow SPC people on twitter there is not need to find out everyone's individual account. They just need to use Mr C's programming genius.

    Ah great idea, I'm also way too addicted to Twitter *rolls eyes*

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:39

    Ah great idea, I'm also way too addicted to Twitter *rolls eyes*

    In that case to save you telling everyone indivifualyy where to find you on twitter you can just add your name to the regulars page with your twitter name and no-one will hassle you again for it.

    http://wiki.sidepodcast.com/page/SPC+Regulars

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:43

    In that case to save you telling everyone indivifualyy where to find you on twitter you can just add your name to the regulars page with your twitter name and no-one will hassle you again for it.

    That's on the assumption that I want people to find me on Twitter.... ;)

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:45

    That's on the assumption that I want people to find me on Twitter.... ;)

    So you are just going to read all our tweets and not comment on any of them?

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:47

    So you are just going to read all our tweets and not comment on any of them?

    Nah, just teasing! But I'm sure joining the wiki isn't the only way for people to find me on Twitter

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:51

    Nah, just teasing! But I'm sure joining the wiki isn't the only way for people to find me on Twitter

    It's not but you will find that the wiki is used for all sorts of stuff and being on it means you can get more involved. The good thing about this site is everyone contributes and the wiki is a good way of tracking what is going on. Besides it is the only way you can remove your name when someone volunteers you for something. ;)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:52

    Nah, just teasing! But I'm sure joining the wiki isn't the only way for people to find me on Twitter

    Found ya.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:52

    Found ya.

    Are you Kathi in disguise?

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:53

    Are you Kathi in disguise?

    I'm not too sure?

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:53

    Found ya.

    I doubt it....

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 22:53

    Are you Kathi in disguise?

    I'm not too sure?

    Nah, it wasn't skype...

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:53

    I doubt it....

    74 following, 80 followers?

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:54

    I'm not too sure?

    That will make her happy

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:54

    74 following, 80 followers?

    8740 tweets?

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:54

    74 following, 80 followers?

    Oh, yes, how did you find me?

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 22:54

    8740 tweets?

    HOW MANY!?!?!

    (sorry!)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:55

    Oh, yes, how did you find me?

    Found out who was following sidepodcast, found Lara as well, figured as you two were friends, and found you.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:56

    HOW MANY!?!?!

    (sorry!)

    Hahaha, I know, I know I get addicted to things easily (can't you tell already?!?)

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:57

    Found out who was following sidepodcast, found Lara as well, figured as you two were friends, and found you.

    Ah clever! :)

  • RG10/01/2010 at 22:57

    Ah clever! :)

    And with that piece of Kathi work, I'm off to bed. lotsa love.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 22:58

    And with that piece of Kathi work, I'm off to bed. lotsa love.

    Good night RG

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 22:58

    And with that piece of Kathi work, I'm off to bed. lotsa love.

    Night RG

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 22:58

    And with that piece of Kathi work, I'm off to bed. lotsa love.

    Night night

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:02

    Found out who was following sidepodcast, found Lara as well, figured as you two were friends, and found you.

    Elementary, my dear Watson.. :P

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:04

    Elementary, my dear Watson.. :P

    Yep!

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 23:04

    Rumour is going around that Campos may be being sold - I think it is something that got lost in translation and I think they are actually looking for extra partners as there is insufficient budget.

    http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2010/01/Wird_Campos_verkauft_10010814.html

  • me10/01/2010 at 23:06

    Found out who was following sidepodcast, found Lara as well, figured as you two were friends, and found you.

    Elementary, my dear Watson.. :P

    awesome. i'm not here, but that is rather fab. has anyone introduced the playground btw?

    http://sidepodcast.com/playground/microblogging.php

    just yell if you'd rather not be listed.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:06

    awesome. i'm not here, but that is rather fab. has anyone introduced the playground btw?

    Been plugged already, yep. Nice of you not to be here, Mr C!

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 23:07

    Rumour is going around that Campos may be being sold - I think it is something that got lost in translation and I think they are actually looking for extra partners as there is insufficient budget.

    Joe has a post on it. He said something about Tony Texeira maybe buying a share. They seem to be really struggling to get Spanish sponsors.

  • me10/01/2010 at 23:07

    Been plugged already, yep. Nice of you not to be here, Mr C!

    i'm good like that. am blogging dnd, be with you in an hour or two.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 23:07

    awesome. i'm not here, but that is rather fab. has anyone introduced the playground btw?

    I mentioned that a few minutes ago

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 23:08

    Been plugged already, yep. Nice of you not to be here, Mr C!

    You will find lots of people will turn up and say they are not here and then post a few comments.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:08

    just yell if you'd rather not be listed.

    No, it's okay, I guess!

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 23:09

    Joe has a post on it. He said something about Tony Texeira maybe buying a share. They seem to be really struggling to get Spanish sponsors.

    I just misleading headlines e.g. F1: Campos Might Be Sold Before Debut

    http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-campos-might-be-sold-before-debut/

    Tony Texeira is the A1GP guy (and South African) and made a mess of it.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:11

    Tony Texeira is the A1GP guy (and South African) and made a mess of it.

    Is that such a good idea that he buys an F1 team?

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 23:11

    Hi guys, entertain me for 10 minutes before I go to bed.

  • me10/01/2010 at 23:11

    You will find lots of people will turn up and say they are not here and then post a few comments.

    oi! i had to dig out a comment.

    i couldn't open live comments and not at least read a few, then open twitter and list new people, and then leave a comment saying so... could i?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:12

    Hi guys, entertain me for 10 minutes before I go to bed.

    #truestory: I'm the only person to be mentioned twice on the Sporting injuries page on the wiki. How's that?

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 23:13

    Is that such a good idea that he buys an F1 team?

    Based on past experience no - but does have plenty of money and was in talks to buy Honda last year and even rumoured to be interested in Toro Rosso at one point.

  • Steven Roy10/01/2010 at 23:14

    oi! i had to dig out a comment.

    I was just pointing out the *not here phenomenon* to people who may not have seen it before

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 23:17

    I've decided to support my local F1 team, at least until they move out to Malaysia. Go Lotus! :D {Comment #604}

    I'm keeping special track of my local team (Virgin GP) but my main support is still for Silverstone. Hopefully the friend I'm currently attempting to covert to F1 won't consider that an act of betrayal against Virgin, because she likes them specifically because of the geography.

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:17

    Ah, it's gone dark! Wait, no, false alarm, that was my hair covering my face. Moving on.

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 23:18

    I'm keeping special track of my local team (Virgin GP) but my main support is still for Silverstone. Hopefully the friend I'm currently attempting to covert to F1 won't consider that an act of betrayal against Virgin, because she likes them specifically because of the geography.

    Unless I like the new Sauber driver - I will shift to another team - possibly Virgin Racing as I do not think Nick will get a drive.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:18

    #truestory: I'm the only person to be mentioned twice on the Sporting injuries page on the wiki. How's that?

    That's not a good start for someone who's been here such a short time ;)

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:20

    I'm keeping special track of my local team (Virgin GP) but my main support is still for Silverstone. Hopefully the friend I'm currently attempting to covert to F1 won't consider that an act of betrayal against Virgin, because she likes them specifically because of the geography.

    Yay! I think Virgin is gonna be my 'team' next year :)

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:20

    That's not a good start for someone who's been here such a short time ;)

    You can't deny it didn't get me noticed... ;)

  • Rich10/01/2010 at 23:21

    #truestory: I'm the only person to be mentioned twice on the Sporting injuries page on the wiki. How's that?

    I was not sure that injuries before discovering Sidepodcast count - but while recovering from another Injury I discovered the community (originally through YouTube).

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:21

    Saira, your Twitter location puts you in the right neck of the woods for SidepodPubbing with Alex & I

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 23:22

    Saira, your Twitter location puts you in the right neck of the woods for SidepodPubbing with Alex & I

    Which is where, roughly?

    Considering I work in Norwich and can get to London easily.

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:22

    Saira, your Twitter location puts you in the right neck of the woods for SidepodPubbing with Alex & I

    Ooh cool!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:23

    Which is where, roughly?

    Saaf Lahhndun

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 23:23

    Saaf Lahhndun

    Took me a few moments to get that...

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:24

    Ooh cool!

    In fact, you missed the party at Chateau Giggles by only a few weeks

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 23:24

    Saaf Lahhndun

    Wonderful, pick a date after I get paid and we'll see what happens. :D

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:24

    Saaf Lahhndun

    Took me a few moments to get that...

    NB: I don't actually speak like that but it seemed appropriate ;)

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 23:25

    They now have two men at the top of the team with the last name of Anderson. This is going to get confusing. {Comment #641}

    All they need now is to poach Gary Anderson from Autosport and make him the chief designer...

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 23:25

    Wonderful, pick a date after I get paid and we'll see what happens. :D

    Which day are you paid? It's that day ;)

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:25

    In fact, you missed the party at Chateau Giggles by only a few weeks

    Oh right, a shame!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:26

    Wonderful, pick a date after I get paid and we'll see what happens. :D

    Does that mean Feb onwards?

    Well, it definitely needs to stop snowing first

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:26

    Oh right, a shame!

    I'm in SE22, Alex isn't too far away

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 23:27

    Which day are you paid? It's that day ;)

    I can assure you it ain't. Sometime in Feb is OK, not the 3rd weekend though. ;)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:28

    They now have two men at the top of the team with the last name of Anderson. This is going to get confusing.

    How long before The Matrix "Mr Anderson" jokes begin?

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:28

    I'm in SE22, Alex isn't too far away

    Well I'm kinda more Greater London to be honest, not all that far from Wimbledon

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 23:29

    I think she meant the British TV show from the 90s. Happy memories of my childhood right there... {Comment #657}

    Ooh, I remember getting the first season's annual as a present :) Jet was my favourite Gladiator, though Wolf's tough-guy persona was interesting too.

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:30

    Well I'm kinda more Greater London to be honest, not all that far from Wimbledon

    No probs, we often meet near Waterloo or The Strand anyway

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:30

    Wonderful, pick a date after I get paid and we'll see what happens. :D

    Thanks for reminding me, I have a claim form to fill in that was due last week.

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 23:31

    hello sidepodpeople :-)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:31

    Ooh, I remember getting the first season's annual as a present :) Jet was my favourite Gladiator, though Wolf's tough-guy persona was interesting too.

    Jet was half the viewers' [and non viewers] fave too, I think

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:32

    Hi Guille

    How's sunny Argentina?

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:32

    No probs, we often meet near Waterloo or The Strand anyway

    Ah okay, Waterloo is quite easy to get to

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 23:33

    How's sunny Argentina?

    today? splendid: sunny, 21ºC, just the right amount of wind... :D

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 23:34

    You really qualify for that. There are some classics on there like Massa sneezing in a lift and hurt his neck or Valentino Rossi slashing his hand and foot open while closing curtains not to mention Mr C's fly swatting injury. {Comment #685}

    I know it's a bit late, but I was up until 3:45am the night after Brazillian GP qualifying typing up a F1 forum post, then managed to cut my head open while getting dressed next morning, probably due to having had just over five hours of sleep. Does that classify as a sporting injury for the purposes of the wiki?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:35

    Ah okay, Waterloo is quite easy to get to

    You'll recognise Alex by then, you'll have seen him on the internet several times in fact. Places such as

    http://gigglesadvent.com/

    and

    http://goforodd.com/

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 23:36

    You'll recognise Alex by then, you'll have seen him on the internet several times in fact. Places such as

    http://gigglesadvent.com/

    and

    http://goforodd.com/

    If you haven't already, check the art challenge on goforodd. Brilliant!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:39

    today? splendid: sunny, 21ºC, just the right amount of wind... :D

    Which is just below 50º on the Andronov Scale :)

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 23:40

    Oh dear, we have Spain invading the high street. Santander's making waves, replacing Abbey and Bradford & Bingley. :(

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8446087.stm

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 23:40

    Evening all,

    I've had a very mixed day, and cant be around for long as need to sleep in a bit. Please cheer me up :D (nb; just be normal spc and that will cheer me up!)

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 23:40

    We're over halfway through the off season, and we haven't done any yet. We need to! {Comment #710}

    We will be on Saturday. Myself, several people from Sidepodcast and several people from other parts of the internet will be karting, and if it's anything like last year there will be some sort of coverage here.

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 23:40

    You'll recognise Alex by then, you'll have seen him on the internet several times in fact. Places such as

    http://gigglesadvent.com/

    and

    http://goforodd.com/

    dare i ask why giggles advent is going round again?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:41

    Oh dear, we have Spain invading the high street. Santander's making waves, replacing Abbey and Bradford & Bingley. :(

    I wondered how long that would be...

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 23:41

    Which is just below 50º on the Andronov Scale :)

    Exactly! It really felt the right temperature. I even went for a run for the first time in almost two months; the results were predictable from such a long stop...

  • Andy Taylor10/01/2010 at 23:41

    We will be on Saturday. Myself, several people from Sidepodcast and several people from other parts of the internet will be karting, and if it's anything like last year there will be some sort of coverage here.

    has anyone come back to you regarding transportation for me yet?

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 23:41

    Oh dear, we have Spain invading the high street. Santander's making waves, replacing Abbey and Bradford & Bingley. :(

    I'm with Abbey, so I've been aware for a while. I'm not really bothered about it if I'm honest.

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 23:41

    Evening all,

    evening jon

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:42

    dare i ask why giggles advent is going round again?

    I was familiarising Saira with the antics and appearance of Giggles in anticipation of the next SidepodMeet-up

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 23:43

    I was familiarising Saira with the antics and appearance of Giggles in anticipation of the next SidepodMeet-up

    oh no, i mean, look at giggles advent...its on 10th, and you cant open the 11th

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:43

    Oh dear, we have Spain invading the high street. Santander's making waves, replacing Abbey and Bradford & Bingley. :(

    This was announced a while ago wasn't it [maybe they snuck it in on a busy day]

  • Chris10/01/2010 at 23:44

    Right. I'm off to watch Being Human on iplayer, then I'm off to bed. Night all!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:44

    oh no, i mean, look at giggles advent...its on 10th, and you cant open the 11th

    Wow, an advent every month! That's exciting!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:45

    Right. I'm off to watch Being Human on iplayer, then I'm off to bed. Night all!

    See ya Chris

    That's the second time I've heard that show mentioned today, maybe I need to check it out

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 23:45

    Right. I'm off to watch Being Human on iplayer, then I'm off to bed. Night all!

    adios

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:48

    oh no, i mean, look at giggles advent...its on 10th, and you cant open the 11th

    Looks like it's coded to open on the date of the month, regardless of what that month is :)

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:48

    If you haven't already, check the art challenge on goforodd. Brilliant!

    Hahaha great! :D

  • Turkey Machine10/01/2010 at 23:48

    And I'm off to get some sleep before a mad week commences. Still got a book to read on SugarCRM as yet!

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:49

    Hahaha great! :D

    This is quite typical Giggles behaviour

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:49

    Looks like it's coded to open on the date of the month, regardless of what that month is :)

    Just for my own sad little purposes, I'll pretend it's a countdown to Tuesday... ;)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:49

    And I'm off to get some sleep before a mad week commences. Still got a book to read on SugarCRM as yet!

    G'night TM

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:50

    This is quite typical Giggles behaviour

    Oh right.... lol

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 23:51

    Looks like it's coded to open on the date of the month, regardless of what that month is :)

    im looking forward to a month where theres only 30 days....see what happens...

  • Jon Waldock10/01/2010 at 23:51

    And I'm off to get some sleep before a mad week commences. Still got a book to read on SugarCRM as yet!

    adios

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:51

    Just for my own sad little purposes, I'll pretend it's a countdown to Tuesday... ;)

    Ooh what is tuesday?

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:51

    Right. I'm off to watch Being Human on iplayer, then I'm off to bed. Night all!

    See ya Chris

    That's the second time I've heard that show mentioned today, maybe I need to check it out

    Is it funny?

    I know it's supposed to be but is it actually?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:51

    Ooh what is tuesday?

    I gain an extra number on Tuesday, as if by magic... :)

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:52

    im looking forward to a month where theres only 30 days....see what happens...

    I think they all remain clickable until the 1st rolls around

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:53

    I gain an extra number on Tuesday, as if by magic... :)

    Ah okay, congratulations! Doing anything special?

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:53

    im looking forward to a month where theres only 30 days....see what happens...

    How about February? Only got 28 then...

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:53

    Ah okay, congratulations! Doing anything special?

    Not particularly, maybe next year though...

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:55

    Not particularly, maybe next year though...

    Oh is next year, a big one? I don't bother with birthdays anymore... it's getting too depressing, lol!

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:56

    Oh is next year, a big one? I don't bother with birthdays anymore... it's getting too depressing, lol!

    Yep, I think it is...

  • Alianora La Canta10/01/2010 at 23:56

    has anyone come back to you regarding transportation for me yet? {Comment #842}

    Not yet, unfortunately. So far, all I've had back from people are confirmations that they can still come and your request for transport. Dad and I would give you a lift except that it's completely the wrong direction for us...

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 23:57

    Oh is next year, a big one? I don't bother with birthdays anymore... it's getting too depressing, lol!

    I don't care the number of the birthday, but do use it as my special date of the year...

    (I'm not 30 yet, though ;-) )

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:57

    Yep, I think it is...

    Oooh cryptic! Next year is a big one for me too... :(

  • Pat W10/01/2010 at 23:58

    I don't care the number of the birthday, but do use it as my special date of the year...

    (I'm not 30 yet, though ;-) )

    Thanks!

  • Saira10/01/2010 at 23:59

    I don't care the number of the birthday, but do use it as my special date of the year...

    (I'm not 30 yet, though ;-) )

    Nope neither am I, but 30 is getting way too close now :( I was okay with it til I got to 27....

  • Tom G10/01/2010 at 23:59

    Oooh cryptic! Next year is a big one for me too... :(

    I shall not ask yours, as it's rude to ask a lady her age. I was cryptic? I didn't even realise.

  • Amy10/01/2010 at 23:59

    hello boys and girls. I guess i should have waited for midnight for this so as not to confuse myself but well, why make things easy?

  • guille230610/01/2010 at 23:59

    Thanks!

    :D

    the only special number I was upset to cross was when I turned 27, and lost my right to enter for free in french museums... :-(

  • Bassano10/01/2010 at 23:59

    This is quite typical Giggles behaviour

    This still cracks me up, Giggles practising before going to the harware store

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/img-4102

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:00

    hello boys and girls. I guess i should have waited for midnight for this so as not to confuse myself but well, why make things easy?

    Midnight here? It's 23:59...

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:00

    I shall not ask yours, as it's rude to ask a lady her age. I was cryptic? I didn't even realise.

    Ah I think you could work it out as can I with your age!

  • Pat W11/01/2010 at 00:01

    :D

    the only special number I was upset to cross was when I turned 27, and lost my right to enter for free in french museums... :-(

    I've got 2 more months of being 29...

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:01

    Ah I think you could work it out as can I with your age!

    Really? Go on, impress me with your detective skills.

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:01

    I've got 2 more months of being 29...

    SidepodBirthdayDrinks?

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:03

    This still cracks me up, Giggles practising before going to the harware store

    http://drop.io...odcast/asset/img-4102

    I've bookmarked under 'Entertainment' now for future hilarity

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:03

    I've got 2 more months of being 29...

    Oh that's gonna be tough... I dread that age! (sorry)

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:04

    Oh that's gonna be tough... I dread that age! (sorry)

    For me, birthdays have been about being 1 day older than yesterday, as a rule

    And people buy me drinks, which is nice

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:04

    Really? Go on, impress me with your detective skills.

    Well I'd guess from what you said just now and earlier about Gladiators, that you must be turning 18 next year, no?

  • Turkey Machine11/01/2010 at 00:04

    Well I'd guess from what you said just now and earlier about Gladiators, that you must be turning 18 next year, no?

    Smegging youngsters.....

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:05

    Well I'd guess from what you said just now and earlier about Gladiators, that you must be turning 18 next year, no?

    Ah, yes, that I will be. Very well done.

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:05

    For me, birthdays have been about being 1 day older than yesterday, as a rule

    And people buy me drinks, which is nice

    Only old people say things like that ;)

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:06

    For me, birthdays have been about being 1 day older than yesterday, as a rule

    And people buy me drinks, which is nice

    Getting bought drinks is always welcome, yes!! Still not keen on the whole getting older thing though!

  • Turkey Machine11/01/2010 at 00:06

    Only old people say things like that ;)

    Shh, trade secret that. ;)

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:07

    Ah, yes, that I will be. Very well done.

    Yay!!

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:07

    Only old people say things like that ;)

    Only smegging youngsters remind us ;)

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:07

    Only smegging youngsters remind us ;)

    :D

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:08

    Yay!!

    I'd give you a prize, but unfortunately I'm out of prizes. :P

  • Turkey Machine11/01/2010 at 00:08

    Only smegging youngsters remind us ;)

    :D :D :D

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:08

    Only smegging youngsters remind us ;)

    Gee thanks! That's you off my Christmas list....

  • Turkey Machine11/01/2010 at 00:08

    Gee thanks! That's you off my Christmas list....

    :D

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:09

    I've got 2 more months of being 29...

    That's right next to St Patrick's Day

    Great Booze Up Edmund!

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:09

    I'd give you a prize, but unfortunately I'm out of prizes. :P

    Oh damn it, ah well just knowing I worked it out is enough :D

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:09

    Gee thanks! That's you off my Christmas list....

    I'm so full of humbug, I practically a JW

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:10

    Oh damn it, ah well just knowing I worked it out is enough :D

    Yeah, I'll let you have that satisfaction. But I get the cake... ;)

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:11

    Are the latest pics on the drop from Amy in Albert Park?

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:11

    Yeah, I'll let you have that satisfaction. But I get the cake... ;)

    Oh you wouldn't even share with us all? ;)

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:12

    I'm so full of humbug, I practically a JW

    It's okay! The awful weather has apparently made people want not to leave the house which is obviously all my fault! I've managed to miss my margin by a hairs breadth and have lost my Christmas bonus. Damn you snow!!! I'm not feeling that festive either :P

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:12

    Oh you wouldn't even share with us all? ;)

    I'd imagine it'd get a bit squished in the internet, or the postal system, for that matter.

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:13

    I'd imagine it'd get a bit squished in the internet, or the postal system, for that matter.

    Ah yes, good point! Squished cake doesn't sound so nice

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:13

    Ah yes, good point! Squished cake doesn't sound so nice

    Squished cake > no cake

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:14

    Ah yes, good point! Squished cake doesn't sound so nice

    Yes, and optical fibre is very thin, so it would be very squished.

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:14

    I've managed to miss my margin by a hairs breadth and have lost my Christmas bonus. Damn you snow!!! I'm not feeling that festive either :P

    Bonus? I'll not get a pay raise for the 2nd year in a row and be lucky if I get one in 2011 at this rate

    Damn you recession

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:14

    Squished cake > no cake

    Ohh another very valid point. I demand squished cake now! :D

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:14

    Are the latest pics on the drop from Amy in Albert Park?

    No. They're Jeremy and Zoe in Sydney watching Up on a giant outdoor screen!

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:16

    No. They're Jeremy and Zoe in Sydney watching Up on a giant outdoor screen!

    Oh, the dog cinema thing

    Excellent

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:16

    Ohh another very valid point. I demand squished cake now! :D

    Right, I'll write out an IOU for cake, I'll have to play cake deliveries when I'm down in London next... :)

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:17

    Right, I'll write out an IOU for cake, I'll have to play cake deliveries when I'm down in London next... :)

    I'm not in London, I still demand cake! (also Bassano still owes me Revels..... I've not forgotton :P)

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:18

    I'm not in London, I still demand cake! (also Bassano still owes me Revels..... I've not forgotton :P)

    I'll give you them in Scotland

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:18

    I'm not in London, I still demand cake! (also Bassano still owes me Revels..... I've not forgotton :P)

    If you live on Everest, I can deliver there, other than that, I'm not going anywhere else this year...

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:18

    I..... I've not forgotton :P)

    Me neither

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:18

    Right, I'll write out an IOU for cake, I'll have to play cake deliveries when I'm down in London next... :)

    Ah good, make sure it's chocolate cake though!

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:19

    Ah good, make sure it's chocolate cake though!

    My cakes always are very much chocolate, I don't like fruit cake and plain is just boring!

  • Saira11/01/2010 at 00:22

    My cakes always are very much chocolate, I don't like fruit cake and plain is just boring!

    Oh the only cake to ever eat is chocolate, but then again I'm a complete chocoholic!

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:23

    Me neither

    Hmmmm I'm skeptical!

    P.S. Nick has refused to come to Scotland. I fear I may have to put him in the car and not tell him where I'm going....

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:24

    P.S. Nick has refused to come to Scotland. I fear I may have to put him in the car and not tell him where I'm going....

    Cool, you tell us when and we'll keep schtum about it

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:24

    Cool, you tell us when and we'll keep schtum about it

    Shockingly, he's actually proud of the fact that he's never been!

  • Jon Waldock11/01/2010 at 00:24

    P.S. Nick has refused to come to Scotland. I fear I may have to put him in the car and not tell him where I'm going....

    i think he may realise after the 5th, 6th and 7th hour in the car

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:25

    i think he may realise after the 5th, 6th and 7th hour in the car

    I live about 20 minutes from the border :P

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:25

    i think he may realise after the 5th, 6th and 7th hour in the car

    I advise Night Nurse in his non-branded energy drink

    [Don't mess with cold and flu remedies kids]

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:25

    Oh the only cake to ever eat is chocolate, but then again I'm a complete chocoholic!

    I quite agree, although my mother's freshly baked Victoria Sponge was delicious today. I know what you mean, I got a box full of small Dairy Milks for Christmas and I just couldn't put them down...

  • Jon Waldock11/01/2010 at 00:26

    I live about 20 minutes from the border :P

    ah i thought you meant driving straight from the airport

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:27

    I live about 20 minutes from the border :P

    The big signs with an arrow saying Scotland may be a giveaway then

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:27

    ah i thought you meant driving straight from the airport

    Get him to fly to Glasgow, it's nearer ;)

  • Alison11/01/2010 at 00:27

    The big signs with an arrow saying Scotland may be a giveaway then

    Hehehe, it's only one motorway junction though! Once you're on, it's too late to do anything about it :P

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:28

    Hehehe, it's only one motorway junction though! Once you're on, it's too late to do anything about it :P

    Clearly no escaping the road to Scotland then...

  • Amy11/01/2010 at 00:30

    i did drop a couple from albert park on friday though :)

  • Bassano11/01/2010 at 00:31

    i did drop a couple from albert park on friday though :)

    Wondered what they were, one was a bit wonky ;)

  • Tom G11/01/2010 at 00:33

    Night Saira! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • Amy11/01/2010 at 00:35

    the wonkyness comes as my camera doesnt work so i have to use the secondary camera that is really only for videocalling. So i cant see the screen when i take them! Boo!

  • Alex Andronov11/01/2010 at 08:03

    Which is just below 50º on the Andronov Scale :)

    :)

  • Alex Andronov11/01/2010 at 08:03

    dare i ask why giggles advent is going round again?

    Don't ask!