I've been on holiday for a bit and so has F1, so there's not much to report on, so it's time for...
Answers to The 7th Hardest F1 Quiz Ever
There may be some contention about some of these, so see me in the Stuart's Steward's Box afterwards if you feel I've got anything wrong!
1) How long was Juan Manuel Fangio's longest pit stop at the 1951 Belgian Grand Prix (to the nearest minute)?
- 4 minutes
- 8 minutes
- 14 minutes
- 17 minutes
14 minutes and 18 seconds to be exact! No blaming Intertechnique in those days!
2) What year was the last Italian Driver's Champion crowned?
1953 - Alberto Ascari
3) Who was Frank Williams talking about when he said, "I worshipped the guy. He was totally adorable. Everybody in motor racing turned out for his funeral, and there were plenty of red eyes from the hard guys"?
- Piers Courage
- Gilles Villeneuve
- Stefan Beloff
- Roland Ratzinger
Piers Courage died at the 1970 Beligan Grand Prix at Zandvoort.
4) What in 1999 caused Eddie Irvine to say, "Now I have to start thinking like a title contender"?
- His maiden win at the very first grand prix
- Team mate Schumacher, breaking his leg at Silverstone
- Irvine winning at the very next race, following Schmi's injury
- Irvine taking the lead in the championship
After Eddie Irvine won in Hockenheim (thanks to supersub, Mika Salo moving over) and Hakkinen not finishing, Irvine found himself leading the championship 52 - 44
5) How many F1 constructors have there been whose name started with an S?
13 (deep breath): Sauber, Scarab, Scirocco, Shadow, Shannon, Simca-Gordini, Simtek, Spirit, Spyker, Stebro, Stewart, Super Aguri, Surtees
6) What was Stirling Moss's highest ever placing in the Monte Carlo Rally?
He came 2nd in 1952 - ah the good old days when racers raced across categories!
7) What is the difference in average race speed (of the winner) between the British Grands Prix of 1963 and 1996?
- 12.81 mph
- 16.67 mph
- 24.22 mph
- 27.34 mph
107.34 mph vs 124.01 mph
8) What colour was Honda's 2006/2007 winter testing livery?
Black! After tobacco sponsorship was banned, people wondered what the new Honda would look like... Earthdreams *shudder*
9) Who was the last driver to get his debut win at the same time as achieving the team's debut win?
It was Vettel for Toro Rosso at the 2007 Italian GP
10) Who took this photograph?
It was F1 photographic legend (and the inspiration for my GCSE project), Rainer Schlegelmilch
11) Who, upon waking in hospital following an accident asked, 'Was it my fault?' ?
- Rubens Barrichello
- Mika Hakkinen
- Felipe Massa
Mika crashed in practice in Adelaide and was saved at the track by Prof Sid Watkins, to whom he spoke the words above
12) Who is this?
It's Niki Lauda at the Nurburgring in 1975 during qualifying. He got pole with a lap he described as 'ultimate madness', scoring a lap record for F1 at 6:58.6 that was never beaten (in F1).
13) Williams were once asked by F1 Racing Magazine to design the ideal F1 car, if rules restrictions didn't apply. Which of the following featured in its design (choose all that apply)?
- A Mid Wing
- An F Duct
- Four Small Front Wheels
- Four Small Rear Wheels
- Sliding Skirts
- Tiny, Non-Separated Front Wing
- No Rear Wing
- No Driver (remotely controlled)
- GPS Controlled auto-differential
- Closed Cockpit
- Automatic Steering
- Wedge Shaped Body
You can find the scan of the article here - it's a great read.
14) Bruce McLaren said, "To be killed in an accident with a Formula 2 car is almost unacceptable" about which F1 driver?
Jim Clark. He was killed at Hockenheim in an F2 car after a rear tyre deflation.
15) What caused Alain Prost to get completely drunk 'for the first time in [his] life'?
- Winning his first championship
- Ayrton Senna beating him to the championship by crashing him off in Japan 1990
- Senna's death
- Securing his first F1 race seat
- Winning his first Monaco GP
This race is probably better known for Senna's race through the field to ultimately finish second in his first season. He was catching Prost, but the race was stopped early, due to rain (take note, Mr C - it's not just modern F1!)
16) At top speed, an F1 car can travel along a ceiling
- True
- False
This is a bit of a trick question. An F1 car does indeed produce downforce over and above the weight of the car (i.e. enough to hold it to the ceiling), but the engine can not function upside down, so the car cannot actually drive on a ceiling.
17) This guy is well known for doing something related to a previous F1 team. But what?
(Hint: He doesn't actually do anything to do with F1 itself)
That man is Garrison Keillor, and he's the distinctive voice of the Honda adverts. (This may be too tenuous a link to F1, so feel free to grumble)
18) Which former British F1 lead presenter has also competed in the World Rally Championships?
Lee McKenzie is an internationally licensed co-driver and has competed in WRC events, including Rally GB - she has also been the lead presenter for F1 on the BBC.
19) How many legs are on the entire 2011 F1 field of liveries? Only count one car from each team.
(20 points for an exactly right answer, -1 point for each one out, minimum zero)
Okay, are you ready for this?
Red Bull: RedBulls(4 legs) x (2 on the badge + 2 on the nose + 2 on the cockpit + 2 on the headrest + 2 on the engine cover + 2 on the rear wing) + Singha-Lion(4 legs) x (1 on the monocoque) = 52
McLaren: JohnnyWalkerMan(2) x (2 rear wing, 2 mirrors) = 8
Ferrari: PrancingHorse(4) x (2 monocoque, 2 engine cover, 3 headrest, 1 badge) + Puma(2 visible) x (2 airbox) = 36
Mercedes = 0
Renault = 0
Williams = 0
Force India: W&M-Lion(2 legs) x (4 front wing, 2 nose) + UB-Pegasus(4)*(2 airbox, 1 nose) = 24
Sauber: Madcroc(2) x (2 bargeboards) = 4
Toro Rosso: RedBulls(4) x (2 nose, 2 badge, 2 endplate, 2 monocoque, 4 bargeboard, 2 headrest, 2 engine cover, 2 rear wing) = 72!
Lotus = 0
HRT = 0
Virgin: Kappa-People(2) x (1 headrest, 2 front wing) + LDC-Horse(4) x (2 nose) = 14
Total = 214!
20) Which former F1 driver's helmet colours were used for the character Beau Brandenburg in the movie Driven?.
Juan Pablo Montoya
So those are the answers! How did you do?
And, of the people bold enough to enter, the winner was... Sladex with 25.5 points (he got the half for naming all the details of the Lauda photo... except for Lauda!) Congrats, Sladex!
Now everyone... to the comments!
hello new... err... holy cow those answers look harder than the questions :)
IndyCar
Sonoma FP1
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1-5: Franchitti, Power, Castroneves, Dixon, Pantano
6-10: Bourdais, Beatriz, Viso, Servia, Jakes
I knew Brandenburgs Helmet was either Montoya's Gugelmin's or Blundells. The rookie Bly had Blundell's helmet, and I think Sly Stallone had Gugelmin's.
Also, I thought Vettel won the 2008 Italian GP?
Q12 Why would Niki Lauda be driving a Lotus?
It is definitely not Lauda. It is either Ronnie Peterson or John Watson
That wasn't his first win though.
It was his first F1 win no?
Oh wait, yes you're right. I'm getting mixed up with my years.
oooh, congrats Sladex! amazing.
this is frankly, too cool: http://f1datajunkie.blogspot.com/2011/08/f1-2010-belgium-hamiltons-mclaren.html
It is. I don't understand the gear chart though because he seems to be in several gears at the same time
I like that Webber's been doing this weekly column. I like getting to know drivers a bit-- what they like, some of their opinions about other things, etc.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/14649499.stm
Interesting to see an Australian tipping New Zealand for the rugby world cup.
#realist
My thoughts exactly. Did he ever? I can't remember it
You wouldn't see it the other way.
(I'm judging this on talking to only one person from New Zealand, ever, and it wasn't Amy)
Under the heading of Places You Won't Find Me:
The NOAA flies planes through the storm to see what it's doing. One of the guys on the plane said they were 'getting bounced around pretty good'.
Not that I know of. In 1975 he won the title in a Ferrari so he was not driving a Lotus
Wikipedia may not be the best source of facts, but....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niki_Lauda
Lotus is never mentioned.
That sounds like a fun flight
Wikipedia is pretty good for F1 facts
And 1975 was defiantly Ferrari. You can't imagine a Ferrari driver in a lotus for any reason. Still, nice photo!
So says Wikipedia!
i rely on it for most things, although some facts appear dubious, not f1 related though.
Oh my! Chilli Ketchup is the best discovery of 2011
Fantastic! I was wondering what the best discovery of 2011 was.
*makes a note of it*
*may contain sugar
So we can give up on the remaining 3 months?
Absolutely, Bruno is gonna be a disappointment after this
:)
That hasn't stopped me in the past, as you know...
But can you tell me what it is, like is it spicy ketchup? I don't do spicy.
There's Chilli and Fiery Chilli. I got the fiery version
It also says "good with chicken". Not sure how that helps :D
I'd try that. :)
big picture ping: http://www.f1bigpicture.com/news/soaking-up-the-pressure
On the back, I'd add "also great with cold pizza"
mmmm.
I want to create a world made up of only Big Pictures and live in it.
hehe!
Hello all, up early as off to Seville for the weekend. Hope everyone stays safe from the storms.
Will be relying on fbfb to keep me up to date on the action from Spa. I have noted where the Apple store is so can log on ic the hotel WiFi isn't great.
Thanks, Janna. Have fun.
hope you have a brilliant time
Have a great weekend
awesome!!
autosport have a new podcast: http://plus.autosport.com/free/feature/3810/the-autosport-podcast-2011/
some dodgy audio quality, but good content.
Impossible would be little to describe this. Still, incredible
tony signed @joey7barton for QPR?
wow.
I saw that earlier. I guess QPR had not filled their nutter quota. Now they have a world class nutter
I am giving up on the Mobil1 game for the night. Best run 23.1 seconds and regularly doing sub 24s without the hand brake.
Time for bed. Night all
wow!
...i daren't start it.
I want to see if this came out. I recorded 2 owls talking back and forth in my yard.
http://audioboo.fm/boos/451671-owls
You'll need headphones, though.
I'm in a noisy food court and couldn't hear a thing, even with headphones :)
I'll tell the owls to speak up next time.
I've never used audioboo and I wanted to try it.
Sorry I'm not much use to you...
It did play back on my iPhone, at least, it appeared to :)
I can hear it here, but I live in the woods....hence, the owls. :)
Better luck next time. Now that I've recorded one little thing I may play some more, knowing me.
Did the food court have anything good today?
I am spoilt for choice, but went with Subways offer of a cheap bottle of water.
My sister (complete parental genius) tells me not to eat too much Subway because they freeze their dough, and there's something bad in it. I succumbed to temptation though :)
I love Subway dough, so it must have something bad in it. But I'm gluten free now, so it would have more bad stuff in it for me than you. :)
Well, I have a hurricane to experience tomorrow night, but before that I need to get up early for quali at the awesome Spa, so bed time for me.
Take care of tomorrow for me, Jeremy. :)
Congratulations, Sladex!
Just a question... the #12 car looks more Lotus than Ferrari... are you sure that's Lauda in there?
I'm guessing it's Ronnie, but seeing as we're looking from the back, hard to be sure.
Thank you, mates! I'm really glad to win this thing!) Now I have to thing hard about the prize=( :)
Q12 How could it be Lauda?! It is Ronnie Peterson! Proof: http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-16032428/ronnie-peterson-making-a-jump
And here is John Watson's Lotus (there is no white box under the rear wing): http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8971/1975johnwatsonf1nurburgring7oa.jpg
Didn't found the same photo for Lauda but here is his Ferrari teammate Regazzoni: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/176/ferrari1975regazzonidui.jpg
Why try win a trip to the Korean GP when there's one I can't for the life of me give away :D
Really? I'll come with you!
(maybe - I feel this is something I should probably check with Zoe first)
Zoe doesn't mind, so if you wouldn't mind me accompanying you, contact me and we will sort the details :)
Good morning!
Have we seen the news? Mark Webber has got a deal for 2012 with Red Bull on his birthday
Good on him. Joe got it wrong on Ricciardo for 2012, though. Looks like it'll be Disco Dan to STR for 2012, maybe a seat swap with Jaime to HRT? Then as long as he doesn't screw up, he will be indeed Web 2.0 when he replaces what would be a retiring Webber at Red Bull.
Makes even more sense if Joe is right and Vergne needs to get a seat - in which case they drop Buemi, who's had more time than Jaime to prove himself.
How well do you know your Formula 1 history?
The book That'll be the Day: 365 F1 Stories takes a look at significant moments or quirky happenings on this day in Grand Prix history. Can you guess what event the following describes?
Yaaaaaaaay!!!
12 years to the day since his F1 debut was announced, he may have finally been forced to end his F1 career.
ooooh that would be AMAAAAAAZIIIIIIIIING. I shall send you an email once I locate your email address :D
Belgian GP Live Weather Updates -
http://www.formula1onlive.com/2011/08/2011-f1-belgian-gp-live-weather-updates.html
oi, wallabies, stop scoring.
ah excellent, they listened. No try!
I am certain its not Lauda 1975, make up your own mind
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lotus+1975&view=detail&id=2E4B2C1FAD51D656366C2501269F70A2AF13AE61&first=30&FORM=IDFRIR
or
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=lauda+ferrari+1975&view=detail&id=7C26C91158DF2BD6004052335907091B33731EDE&first=0&FORM=IDFRIR
It is not Lauda. It is either Ronnie Peterson or John Watson but I don't know which
It's only 10-0
I blame England for using a black change kit.
apparently three other countries are doing that too. Boo.
my dad is staying up til 1.35am to watch this match, it has to end well or that'll make him cranky :D
That is just disrespectful of them and in England's case shows a lack of intelligence. If they get beat wearing that kit the newspapers will slaughter them and compare them to the all blacks.
I see a lot of people said 'well, New Zealand play in white'
yes but New Zealands alternate kit has always been white or grey/silver. No one else ever uses black!
20 to 3
Do do do do :-)
we're never winning that cup
I don't know where this is coming from. I thought the wallabies were pretty useless this time around.
it comes from I don't remember 1987, it was a looooong time ago :D we must be cursed :)
Mark Webber said yesterday he thought NZ were clear favourites for the world cup
never discount those pesky French.
I still think they are. Wallabies are good at loosing after having good first half leads.
Jeremy is a life saver. Celebratory mojito!
Yay!
i wish i could take you aaaaalll. Commiseration mojito!
(I have a lot of mojito to finish)
all blacks are just chasing better odds for WC
Hehehehe
they sell it in casks now! I couldn't be any less classy.
4 teams in black is pretty good odds :)
you're not just saying I can go with you because you're drunk are you? :P
Ahahahaha!
The plan comes together!
nooo the bbq wrapped up 8 hours ago, I have been drinking pepsi max since :D
Hello all!
RE: The Lotus picture - you're all absolutely right, I completely misread a picture caption! Much
apologies - it's Peterson!
Also, to those who emailed me answers, I'll be sending your marked papers back today!
All I can say is, Amy should have kept watching the rugby........
its still on the tv, just muted :D :D
Your dad will be happy again
Oops, maybe not now
he won't have even started watching yet!
rugby #sorryamy.
Woot !
maybe I should ring my dad and tell him to go to bed :D
it'll make me want to talk to the kiwis today. last time i didn't bring up the topic, a technique that failed...
Ha! but yes.
perhaps not, he got mad when I told him the score of the Otago/Canterbury game earlier and that wasn't even going to be on his tv!
Who needs a world cup? Let's just go with this result
buemi on top. just stop now. that would be a good start.
Interesting video about McLarens pit strategy gap caluculator, about to be used at heathrow for ground traffic control
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/innovation/08/24/f1.air.traffic.control/index.html?hpt=hp_mid
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/belgium-2011-qualifying-results
Ooh, GP2 is on, it looks sunny now
ferrari need to sort out the person in charge of their twitter / blog:
BEL - An awful qualifying for Ferrari bit.ly/qy5F3y
it was a brilliant qualifying session for massa, but awful for alonso.
1 of 2 F1M ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/red-bull-confirm-mark-webber-for-2012-season
2 of 2 F1M ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/sebastian-vettel-secures-9th-pole-position-of-2011
surely there will be a 3 of 3 for the mal/ham fallout?
Potentially.
They don't even try to disguise the fact that it's only about Alonso any more. I think if Felipe had anywhere to go, he'd be off at the end of the year. Clearly he has no option
3 of 2 F1M ping: http://www.f1minute.com/news/pastor-maldonado-given-five-place-grid-penalty
told ya ;)
HAM is reprimanded, MAL gets a 5-place penalty - which, given what they gave to Schumi last year at Hungary, is very light, IMO. He should've gotten a 10-place penalty, at least.
love that the f1minute widget on the homepage is chock full of today's news.
busy day.
if lewis got a reprimand, he clearly made the situation worse, which lessons pastors penalty.
barichello didn't aggravate schumi.
@eddstrawf1: Both Maldonado and Hamilton deemed guilty of "causing a collision"
and that was after stewards looked at both driver's telemetry.
If both were guilty, why was only Pastor penalized?
In Joe's words,
"The punishment seems a little less than severe given what happened."
lewis is was reprimanded. three strikes and he's out remember.
i don't agree.
stewards have more data to go on than joe. and we only have three crappy long distance camera shots to judge by.
initially i blamed PM entirely, but if the stewards say lewis moved across, he moved across.
also, should aggravation play a part in giving a penalty? just because he did something stupid, for example, doesn't mean you can too.
yes, but as of now, that means nothing. if he does nothing else all season, it doesn't really carry any weight. that's not really a punishment to me.
this is why they should release onboards as soon as possible. because having complete faith in the stewards doesn't always mean they're right?
if two cars headed towards each other, yes.
agreed. but as it stands, i don't think we can make a call to argue against them. i truly cannot see properly who moved where and when. the shots aren't conclusive enough to me.
here's the thing. after mansell's explanation of penalties in silverstone, i believe he's seen the data and made a good call. his reasoning was sound before.
Assuming he wasn't outvoted - which is possible, if I recall what Damon Hill said before correctly.
Nat says he wasn't:
[Mansell] basically said he felt it was the fairest outcome...
http://twitter.com/NataliePinkham/statuses/107491126247817216
Fair enough. But I'm just not comfortable having blind faith in the stewards - they have to release all the videos NOW.
i doubt that will happen, but we can live in hope.
As it's Spa this weekend, I'm having Fish & Chips for tea from the Sea Cow
[home of the journey's eve dinner]
Starting to get the Doctor Who excitement jitterbugs now. Although ironically I wish it was on earlier than 7:10pm considering most of the time I would moan at it being on at silly times like 6:15pm
Chips for Belgium and fish for all the rain?
Yes, how appropriate :)
Enjoy a little something from the Sidepodcast back catalogue.
- Malaysia 2009 - Free Practice 2 Results
Originally published 3 April 2009.
According to Manipe, Rubens went to the celebrations for Michael even though Michael didn't go to Rubens' ones last year. Classy dude.
Reading Festival PING
http://sidepodcast.com/post/live-reading-festival-2011
i likes it when manipe goes to races. can we campaign to send him to all?
w00t!
Definitely Pastor's fault - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHG3rPl5UM
(@Mattzel89)
Jeeez where was he going?!
Blimey!
conveniently only the second bit of the accident there. lewis has his hand raised, we nee to see more.
I agree but I'd like to see a few seconds before that. Lewis appears to be gesturing and this is after he flicked right then straightened up. Still doesn't excuse Maldonado's behaviour though
Looking at the comments the chap got the video from the BBC website *looks to see if there's more*
seconded.
Damn, the BBC highlights dont offer more. Was hoping the video he got it from may have had more onboard before it.
Yes but I think Lewis only flicked across to wave his hand at Pastor and did so well ahead of him, but yeah that's almost certainly why Hamilton got his reprimand. What Maldonado did after that was ridiculous.
I hope Martin does a gridwalk from the back of the grid tomorrow so he can hunt down Maldonado for answers ;)
thirded.
I hope goes down there just to laugh at Michael
Fourthed
Couldnt he have done that last year? I would've stood up and pointed and laughed*
*i would have sat down and smiled to myself due to the amount of schumacher fans at spa and my own healthy and safety
Richard hammond has grey hair in this show before Dr Who, whaaat?
:D
:)
Evening all, everyone watching the Doctor I hope?
Oops.
#Simona [de Silvestro] allegedly denied US re-entry when questioned why she's been to Canada 2x in a month. Immigration didn't believe she was a driver. - @jakequery
She's been sent back to Switzerland rather than to California for tomorrow's race, so Simon Pagenaud is driving instead.
Hi Andy, most definitely :)
That's sublimely ridiculous
Hi Andy, how's Germany?
I leave tomorrow. I will be flying during the race. Poor timing.
What's with the Star Trek like bridge?
I have said 'what?!' about 7 times already.
What?!
Ooo they're inside his head. It's the Numbskulls!
:D
Now they're doing Voyager/Red Dwarf
Wow... O.O
Well that was a bit contrived. Is Hitler still in the cupboard do you think?
I now doubt my entire history GCSE work
I'm surprised IndyCar have not prepared for this eventuality.
Says a lot about the popularity of that series, though.
Leaving on this note from Adam C re: Pastor's onboard:
"Intriguigly the on-board from the Venezuelan’s camera was not available, but Hamilton’s was, as there is a limit to how many cars can be recorded."
*facepalm*
Good night.
#rankings for Heikki
Just downloaded the tenacious d album, great stuff! I could form a great band with jack black, i could drum while he sings...
Hehehehe.
Evening all
Just watched quali. Can't believe Maldonado only got a 5 place grid penalty
Hi Steven. It was an odd move
For info: American - The Bill Hicks Story is on BBC4 in 3 mins
I may watch that on the iplayer during the week. I am now watching the quali pre-show.
A five place penalty for that is so week. How can F1 criticise NASCAR and then not ban the guy.
Great performance by Bruno.
Yeovil has it's own ninja!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-14689055
it's like watching Kick Ass again :)
That's.... just odd
Fantastic. Maybe I'll try go over and find him :)
He not much of a ninja if people know he exists
"...patrolling the streets of Yeovil in a bid to make the town a safer place"
how dangerous can yeovil be?
Well.. sometimes the drunks shout a bit..
They used to be very dangerous in the FA Cup
I wish they still were
and the reprimand for Lewis? I thought that was unfair too.
I've just finished watching quali this very minute and the first thing I did was look at the FIA releases.... I was shocked when I saw only a 5 place drop for Maldonado. What has Lewis done to deserve his reprimand. It's like they're trying to make him angry :P
I just do not understand that. He moved very slightly right than moved left before Pastor caught him. At the point of impact he was on the left edge of the track moving left on a right hand bend.
I left a comment on Joe's post saying that had they been in each other's positions there is no way Pastor would have got a penalty.
Werd!
He's got form though, Lewis. Plus the obvious reason he alluded to last time.
I did the same half an hour ago except I checked Autosport. I Maldonado to be banned from this race because I thought that was the absolute minimum they could do. He should have been banned for the rest of the season.
Hello all. Brilliant day in Seville. Beautiful, clean city. Mighty hot. Great food, good wine.
Christine is a star for fbfb of qualifying. Read her post, know what happened, can't wait for the race feed tomorrow.
WHy?
we discussed it earlier. i think i agree with the stewards on all counts. they looked at driver telemetry and we didn't. they must've seen lewis move too. nige says it's a fair call, i believe him.
It's mad! It's like it's a deliberate action to aggravate him. Racial remarks aside, I don't think he was particularly paranoid about the rest of what he said before. The stewards seem very inclined to give him a hard time.
And the FIA has form for unfairly penalising him
see the comments
http://www.anf1blog.com/2011/08/in-control-are-f1s-race-control-and-stewards-rooms-really-that-bad/
all we've got are a bunch of hopeless camera angles. we have next to nothing to go on. i've never know an incident have such terrible coverage.
"..... saying that had they been in each other's positions there is no way Pastor would have got a penalty..... "
Hamilton went looking for trouble. While Maldonado's action is not excusable, Hamilton could have EASILY not put himself in that position.
I can't believe there isn't an angle from maldonado's onboard because of restrictions to the amount of stuff they record from cars. Honestly, what century are we in?
Why would he smash up his own car....
i doubt he meant too. the question is did both drivers swerve at each other.
looking at the penalties you have to assume they both did. earlier in the move lewis appeared to jink right towards pastor.
I can see Lewis moving right but that is before Maldonado catches him. After that Maldonado pulls up and side swipes him like it is NASCAR. Lewis clearly moved left before the impact. I don't need telemetry to see that
so he's inciting pastor. he's not blameless. fair penalty.
We got a shot from about half way down between la Source and Eau Rouge. It shows the HAM jink to the (drivers) right and the MAL cutting across HAMs bow.
if lewis does nothing wrong for the rest of the season, he got off scott free, no penalty. it's hardly even a penalty is it?
Red mist.
I don't see what you could possibly do that would make it okay for someone to smash into you on purpose. There's no real claim anyone can make that they were "provoked"
Yeah, from lewis. They weren't recording it from Pastor's onboard.
It's not even about that. Seeing as it's no penalty really, it seems rude and inflammatory, why not just let it be.
because he's not blameless?
No, no,no... This was a track-side camera, on the outside of the track.
Hamilton overtook him at the chicane because Pastor left the door wide open. THat is allowed. On the run down from La Source after the chequered flag Lewis was driving slowly and moving slightly right then pulled left before Maldonado was level with the rear of his car. Lewis did absolutely nothing wrong.
WHat could Hamilton have done to avoid it. He was on the left of the track moving left on a right hand bend. Maybe he could have pulled over on to the grass and given Maldonado the full width of the track
I saw Lewis move to the right, then move back again and then move slightly right as I assume he was preparing for the next corner
that.you.saw.
Ooh right, i getcha. yeah we have that. I just wish we had the onboard too from Pastor, I find it insane they don't have anything
What did he do that was wrong? I agree with Steven. It's almost like you seem to expect he evaporate on demand.
Yes, that is allowed. Keep your foot in it and get away from the problem.
Hamilton lifted in order to wait for MAL.
WHat?
They are on a slow down lap after the chequered flag. They are saving tyre wear that they need for the race so going slowly and varying course slightly are normal. Pastor was mad he screwed up the chicane and acted like a spolied brat.
what i'm saying is, our coverage was crap and the stewards have more info than us.
you're making a call on maybe 60% of the info. the coverage sucks, you can't call it from your sofa. not this one.
Why would anyone do that? Wasn't he just saving the tyres so he can use them in the race....
lewis had his hand up and appeared to weave at pastor first (after the flag, not on his hot lap).
like i say, you cannot have seen everything because there's no coverage.
To wave at him for blocking
He did nothing wrong today and got a penalty. Charlie Whiting has already been caught lying to the ICA to penalise him for an incident at Spa a few years ago.
Agree completely. They were not racing at this point, Lewis might have been slow, but should not have been a surprise.
Get that clip and look at each cars track in reference to the start brackets (painted on the old / alternate start line). I looped it 6-8 times. You see HAM do his first jink then you see MAL clearly cut across to impact.
Why would he have a red mist having just qualified for Q3?
Have you ever seen a driver with a red mist driving so slowly?
says you.
without in car telemetry, without being able to talk to the drivers, without half the info nigel and the stewards have.
according to you lewis hamilton did nothing wrong.
In order to hand-wave MAL because MAL (presumably) blocked HAM in to the final chicane. Red mist.
I only saw what happened. He was moving left when he was hit on his right. That says it was not his fault
Either way. I don't see how there's anything you can do to "provoke" someone into hitting you on purpose.
In order to go after another driver, who might have slighted him, yes.
apparently nigel was on the 5live podcast this evening, but i haven't had chance to listen.
He lifted because the session was over and he wanted to save wear on his tyres because they have worn a lot of inters this weekend. They are supposed to slow down after the flag
The coverage is poor but there is plenty information
Wasn't it Nigel who gave us that really clear, insightful response about stewarding and his role/decisions at a race earlier in the season? Maybe we'll get it again
For that bit, Maldonado got the penalty. But what happened before is a bit of a mystery.
To me the mystery is still why Maldonado was turning left on a kink in the track going right.
I agree with that, but then he saw Maldonado coming and jinked right to wave his fist at him to show him he was annoyed, he was turning back left again when Maldonado side-swiped him for some reason.
Yes, HAM did little wrong (he DID jink to the right, with no contact. He could have been done less but just putting his foot in it and loosing MAL in his dust. I do think a Mclaren is faster than a Williams, no?
You don't need to lift that much.
I'm not completely sure why that gets Hamilton a penalty, I need that explaining
Talking to the drivers does not do anything other than let the one with the best mouth piece make a better case.
Nah, the track curves left from la Source to Eau Rouge... Stop trolling.
Huh? It goes right after La Source?
Unless Spa has changed it's entire direction in a whole year
Not acceptable, Bert. Be nice.
LEFT, slightly.
Woops... right.. slightly.
I disagree. Lewis moved slightly right which could have been for any number of reasons like loss of attention due to the low speed, changing settings on his steering wheel, talking on the radio. He then moved left before Maldonado caught him. Once they were level Maldonado drove into him
If anything else happened let the FIA prove it. But they won't because they can't.
Regardless what happened before Maldonado deliberately drove into him and should have been banned for a long time
hehe, I thought I was going mad for a moment :)
mclaren could release their telemetry, if they had nothing to hide.
will they...
The session was over. It is the rules that you drive slow at that point
Yep, I agree that there may be any number of reasons that HAM moved right. But he DID move right, before MAL chopped him.
Alonso was waving his fist earlier in quali. Why doesn't he get a penalty. Or did he wave his arm in a way that didn't cause someone to ram him
Sure. Just think they are two distinct things. One was clear, one was not.
Are they allowed to. One set of telemetry doesn't prove anything. We know Lewis was going slow and moved right then left. We need to see what Maldonado was doing and overlay it before telemetry tells us anything
You all know I'm a Hamilton fan, but I completely take your point that we don't have all the info.
It looked to me, that Lewis started to move to the right (jinked?) then saw another car there, so moved left. When he had no choice but to move to the right to stay on track, Maldonado ran into him deliberately.
Let's hope we get more info. I love juicy F1!
He moved right. So?
Yes, you slow. But HAM slowed enough to show that he was looking to confront MAL. If HAM wanted to he could have gone off at 80-90%. I understand the need to conserve tires, etc. IMHO, HAM was looking to get in MALs face.
:D
Maybe they just call that Latin passion.
To me they were both crystal clear from first seeing the incident. In a lot of cases I see something happen and I have to go watch it again to be clear about it. But I had absolutely no doubt about this one and neither did any of the BBC guys who commented on it.
thought that tony might capture the mclaren data for qually, would show us steering, throttle etc:
http://twitter.com/sidepodcast/statuses/107577692563582976
he may only record race data though.
I don't see why he would. There were three cars in front of him at the last chicane and none of them blocked him. Maldonado did him a favour by leaving the door open
I agree, MAL was the caboose of a three part train, and the block is borderline. However, MAL could have given more room (i.e. avoided contact) out of the final chicane. Note, I am not a HAM fan, per se.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC8SOVCfuyw
But that in itself is only a part of the data. We need all the data that the stewards have, including what the drivers have said. We all saw Hamilton 'jink' right, but was it because he wasn't expecting another car to be there?
agreed, but more info is better than no info. for example did he jink at that point on any other lap during the day?
Did he start to move to the right at that point on any previous laps? And then have to jink back to the left because another car was there when he wasn't expecting it?
It's actually just a jink to the left
#rockyhorror
Just watched the incident again. Maldonado was moving left so fast on a right hand bend that after contact his left side wheels were on the grass. That is cut and dried - unlike the grass
let's do the stewards warp agaaaaain!
He could have avoided contact but the contact was minimal and incidental. Lewis knew stuffing his nose up the inside of him risked a bit of contact
another thought for you...
in the post race press conference lewis claimed he never moved, yet we can see that he did. would you consider this a lie?
"He came round me, I didn't move anywhere, and he happened to swipe past me..." - Hamilton
http://sidepodcast.com/post/belgium-2011-qualifying-highlights#data-13443
maybe lewis lied to the stewards too?
No because he was not going slowly on any other lap
:)
end of q1 and q3?
Oh for pitys sake.
Yeah, I will accept that. But if F1 is a tit-for-tat game, then MAL was justified in swiping HAM, no? (me trolling)
I would interpret that as not making a deliberate move.
it's a fair question?
"I didn't move anywhere"
yeah you did.
Shuffling a little bit is something every driver does to stay in a roughly straight line surely. It's different to turning a particular direction.
Possibly but the conditions in each session were different. Unless we know what caused his jink right the fact that he did it is incidental.
And even if it was deliberate that diid not cause the contact
I really don't see the logic. Lewis makes a legal overtake that results in slight contact so Maldonado can ram him?
Be nice.
everyday he's shuffling?
didn't look like a shuffle, but the camera was miles away. who knows...
oh yeah, the stewards.
Did you, Lewis, after Maldonado came along side you, move towards him?
"I didn't move anywhere"
Argh, that'll be in my head now.
noooooooo me tooo
bring back pulp
5live don't appear to have a podcast this week. might be tricky to find out what big nigel had to say :(
He says different here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94043
Whether that's because he's had time to watch it back, or think about it, or is just using different words to describe the same thing. Who knows what goes through that boy's mind? :)
My point exactly.
The other question worth asking is why did Maldonado close up right to Lewis's tail like he was slipstreaming him when the session was over and they were going slowly.
no-one, anywhere is saying what maldonado did was okay?
no-one.
I have no idea what your point is.
The debate is whether Lewis deserved a reprimand. Everything else is clear
The stewards are saying it was minor avoidable contact that he was slightly more responsible for so got a 5 place penalty. That is very different from saying he did a Schumacher and rammed another driver. At least Schumacher only rammed people during the race. Apart from trying to ram his fist down DC's throat in the pits.
That penalty and their comments do not suggest this is a serious incident. I hope Mansell is in a talkative mood and someone nails him about this tomorrow
Well the stewards kind of did. A 5 place drop?
two wrongs do not make a right. HAM hitting MAL at the final chicane, even though it was (according to you) "...was minimal and incidental." does justify, in my opinion, a retribution hit to 'make up for it'.
i agree. i think pastor may have got off more lightly than he otherwise would have, if lewis was provoking him. say avoided a 10 place drop or something else.
I agree. The move merited a serious sit-down time. You NEVER use a car as a weapon.
Never. Ever!
Given the complete (ish) evidence, I agree that HAM may not deserve a penalty, but it is borderline. (for me)
Did you mean to type 'doesn't'?
Is there ever mitigation for crashing your car on purpose?
I think Maldonado hit Hamilton at the chicane. At the point of contact Hamilton has made the overtake and is ahead when Maldonado turns into him.
Nothing justifies a driver deliberately driving into another ever.
Only in NASCAR
bttc and a few other categories, surely?
Petra gets married on an F1 weekend? Bad daughter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2030854/Petra-Ecclestone-wedding-First-glimpse-bride-wearing-white.html
Coulthard's comment live was
"100% Maldonado will have a penalty. He pulls up alongside Lewis and takes a swipe at him. Unacceptable. Maldonado, if he makes the grid on Sunday I will be amazed"
NASCAR, BTCC, banger racing..
I stopped watching BTCC because of it. But then again a light tap is okay in a tintop and it isn't in an openwheeler because of the open wheels.
alesi is the chauffer?
Hehehehe!! He'll do anything that Alesi :D
I don't count touring cars as motor racing. They have been ramming each other for years and it is considered part of the entertainment to take an opponent out
LPG says good daughter, Keeps the F1 riffraff away^W^W^W guest list down
My favourite bit:
Black Eyed Peas - £1.5 million
Eric Clapton - No charge.
Wedding < F1. Always.
Agreed, on both points.
I just think that HAM could have found a way to avoid all this, since he was physically ahead. I f MAL really wanted to, he could have gone straight in to HAM at la Source/ "brake issues"
I wonder if Bernie will be at the wedding
When doing so wins you the World Championship. Unless your name is Michael.
Erm.... Jerez 1997.
I am surprised he didn't have contracts to do two other weddings at the same time
So you should you drive in any way other than the way you'd like just in case someone loses the plot and tries to ram you?
:D
Run or fight. HAM could have run.
Short of evaporating there is nothing Hamilton can do. If anyone can see the iplayer coverage start at 1:40:37. Maldonado is well to the right of the centre of the track and just turned left. He ended up with his left wheels on the grass. On a right hand bend. You don't need telemetry or interviews. That is crystal clear. He should have been banned for the rest of the season
Riiiight.
He would have to be psychic and know it was going to happen before he could do anything to avoid it
really? what if he did it to glock or similar?
it's far less than what schumi did to rubens last year and he only got a 10 place drop.
Didn't you hear, Hamilton antagonized Maldonado by junking to the right (or left, I'm not sure) therefore justifying attempted murder with an automobile :P
Well Michael should have been given a much longer ban that one season for that manoeuvre ;)
That was a disgrace as well so I guess we shouldn't be surprised... I think they should all be held to a higher standard of behaviour when it comes to driving in a safe manner.
I don't care if he did it to Schumacher. Deliberately ramming another driver should get a ban. I argued that when Senna did it. I argued that when Schumacher did it. Using a car as a weapon should get a long ban
I am sure if you read the comments about that I wanted him banned too
It could be argued that the BAR-MSC incident did not result in an accident, though the potential risk was huge.
That was a far more serious situation for me and should have received a far more severe penalty
HAM jinked to the right. I don
The stewards agree with you - ten places then, five places this time. Silly so and so's :)
:D When will they learn?
I would have banned MSC for life and stricken his entired record. But that is just because I think he is a poor sportsman, though I agree he is a great driver.
That would get my vote every time :)
Easy. When someone dies. It was ever thus in F1
I'm glad we are finally getting to the real issue here, the definition of a 'jink'.
If you move right, then suddenly go left, is it a jink to the right or left? :)
*I'm trying to be funny Bert, I hope it comes across this way
Oh of course, that makes perfect sense. (serious face)
Regarless if it is to the right or the left, I have great difficulty with someone saying that after la Source MAL INITIATED the animosity. HAM did NOT initiate any contact, but he did jink, feign or swerve in MALs direction.
Yes, sometimes I go overborad.
Like I said earlier, I didn't see any animosity in that move when I watched it yesterday - it just looked like he was moving right anyway, and then went left when he saw another car there.
I have to go to work soon, so I don't have time to even attempt to find all the facts (available to us). Hopefully the stewards decision will be further explained at some point in the near future (although I doubt it).
Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/daily-28th-august-2011
It can't be midnight already
Apparently so. Time for me to go to bed. A long day ahead of me tomorrow, I won't be around to watch the race live but hope to make use of TunnelBear to get iPlayer in my hotel room.
Night all.
Night Andy