Germany v England 3pm
England meet their age old foes in the second round of the 2010 World Cup after both having some dodgy games in the group stages. England remain unbeaten so far in the competition, whereas Germany lost to group losers Serbia in the opening matches. Germany finished top of their group with 6 points but England struggled into second spot after a 0-1 win over Slovenia on Wednesday.
England team news is that Rooney has lost form and is carrying an ankle knock from Wednesday's game, although he has been declared fit and should start today. Ledley King is back from his groin injury, but Upson may remain in the team after a solid performance against Slovenia. In the German team, striker Cacau will miss the game with an abdominal muscle strain.
England haven't beaten Germany in a World Cup game since 1966, can they do it today? Out of all our internationals with Germany we have won 12 to their 10, but when it comes down penalties the Germans remain supreme. If it comes down to the wire can England make up for the shoot-out defeats of 1990 and Euro 1996?
Argentina v Mexico 7.30pm
Another of England's rivals, Argentina, face Mexico in this second round match. They last met 4 years ago in the second round of the 2006 World Cup where Argentina secured their quarter-final place with a 2-1 win over Mexico. There are no fewer than 14 of the players from that match in 2006 playing for the teams today, so it may become a bit of a grudge match with Mexico hoping to redeem themselves.
Argentina finished top of their group having swept the board with a maximum 9 points. Mexico struggled and only gained second place. They won against France and contributed to their departure from the 2010 World Cup, but their other matches were mixed, being defeated by group winners Uruguay and drawing against the host nation South Africa.
Can Mexico make up for 4 years ago? Or will Argentina maintain their winning streak and earn a place in the quarter finals?
Quarter-finals
Whoever goes through today will meet in the quarter-finals next Saturday. If both England and Argentina get through it will be another tense match with lots of footballing history between the two teams. But England still have to overcome Germany before we face that possibility and nothing is ever certain against the Germans...
All that remains to be said is "Come On England!"
1st one here. COME ON GERMANY!!!
Come on England!!
National anthems about to begin...
That was terribly rude of the English fans. Not that I am expecting much. :(
eh?
Booos at the mention of Germany's national anthem. Then whistling when the tune 1st starts. :(
LOL. And the English fans aren't on time with their own anthem.
Its not about timing, its about pride and passion.
And Sepp Blatter is there... boo.
Oooh I see the very German Cacau is not in the team.
Yay for no Jamie on the England team. I needn't feel bad when the goals flow pass the English defense then. :D
Oi. Same yay for no Jamie, different reason though ;)
England kick off!
Eating Pork Scratchings, drinking beer and watvhing with you lot. Bliss ;)
:D
England seeing a lot of the ball so far
Right. Fooootball.
OZIL!!!! COME ON! :D
Good save James. Weak defending though
Isn't that the norm? Till the Calamity half creeps up of course. ;)
I don't have an England shirt, so I'm wearing my Forest shirt because it's red...
Not from Ashley Cole. Despite him being a really hateable person, he is a very good left back.
I am sticking to my Red Bull Racing cap. BASTI FOR GERMANY!
I have a Spurs shirt on. Last time I wore it Defoe scored against Slovenia so am hoping for the same this time
Can't compare to the best full back in the world who is sharing the pitch right now. gooooo Philipp!
On any other day, I'd agree with you. But not right now.
I'm drinking a Belgian beer called a Jupiler (which my mate brought round the other day).
...But the can is red and has a Bull on it ;)
Can imagine if Klose scores the winner in the 90th minute:
"Klose, but no cigar"
:D
Must be a header then.
PASS LUKAS!
Now now, the corner flag hasn't done anything to you has he?
He Schumachered it, didn't he?
heehee. :D
Lovely run Defoe, love it.
Miles over the bar...
Way awful free kick there...
I was getting confused with so much going on at once but I've realised the Forum should be online later, so am with the game now :)
Par for them so far at the WC.
Germany score
KLOSE@!!!!!!!!
Oh dear.
Route 1, absolutly awful defending. Awful
English defense leaks as usual! Let's trounce them now!
nooo
You just have to be joking. Typical!
Bring Ledley King on, he wouldn't have let that happen.
Germany just dance around England. They make us look stoooopid.
Don't bring Jamie on, I want him to be spared from the English press' massacre. ;)
The funniest part was that three times before, the commentator kept slating Klose as having a rubbish World Cup and domestic season!
Poetry in motion. :D
Pass the ball Rooney, don't just shoot with that ball.
Well, on target I suppose.
Upson can't cope with Klose, simple as.
You don't want your striker to shoot, but expect your midfielders to score?
Its too far out, I don't expect any one to score from there really, we need to pass the ball and get in the box, how to score.
At least England seem to be playing better than they did in the group stages. Not enough though, yet.
Great tackle by the ref
:D
England with 58% possesion.
And we can't do anything with it. Heard somewhere yesterday that Uruguay had won all of their game with less than 45% of the possesion...
Germany has slightly less possession. Hopefully that will change soon.
Possession is only useful after you have a lead. Otherwise it is meaningless
Should have been 2-0
Thank god for David James.
WHAT!!! Klose! :(
Where the hell is the defence? 2-0, rubbish.
LUKAS!!!!! GERMANY 2-0!!!!
This is not going well!
2-0 now
This is a MASSACRE!!!
sorry to say this, but england is being trashed. seriously :-(
I can just imagine Basti Vettel enjoying this match with his champagne... :D
The defence look like they've met up 5 minutes before the match. Its like watching my own team defend, in fact they could probably be doing better right now.
I bet you'll shout your own team into shape though. ;)
CAPTAIN PHILIPP! Thank goodness he is probably the best defender on the field now.
Taken to pieces, as expected. We're not remotely as good as the players, the fans or the media make us out to be. The sooner we accept that, the better.
I've seen us concede 4 goals in 20 minutes and still draw 5-5, its all going to be fine.
Were people really expecting anything else then?
I wasn't, but I don't live in the UK anymore so I see things differently...
I do agree but I had a sense of optimism they'd step up for such a big game. Seems as if I was wrong.
Spot on, RG.
Before the tournament this was the golden generation of English players and the FA extended the manager's contract so he would not be poached after they won the world cup
GOODNESS! STEVIE G SCORES!
Not over yet, COME ON. Matthew Upson.
You are still rubbish though.
Upson scores??
+1
NOT IN NOT IN!!!
IT WENT OVER THE LINE, REF. Surely?
LUKAS!!! Come on Germany!
Well that makes it interesting!!! Hang on has that crossed the line? This has gone mental!!!
It was a goal! You are kidding me ref. You have to be kidding me.
No Russian linesman this time.
Not given. Sorry.
I'm so confused.
It was!!
FIX!!!
How come?
You are not alone
CONTROVERSY!
Mr Blatter doesn't like his technology
Referee says no, so no.
THe referee and linesman didn't think it was in and FIFA refuse to use technology
I get that, but what is the reason?
COME ON GERMANY! TEIMGEIST MANNSCHAFT!!!!
In the actual goal?
They didn't see it go in.
Didn't see it.
Not one single person saw it? That's crazy!
Awful decision. Sell Blatter must be squirming. He won't be, because he is a fat self serving committee bribing blowhard, but he ought to be.
Sorry if that's out of order, but I'm livid.
Many saw, but not the 2 that mattered.
It was a goal but FIFA won't use technology so it is down to the position of two men and what they see. The ref can easily have a player in front of him or not have a good angle and the same with the linesman
Isn't that like Charlie saying, oh wait, I didn't see Vettel cross the line so he didn't win? I don't get it.
Exactly.
They harp on about a useless high-tech beach ball with aerodynamic bits on it and they REFUSE to use any kind of video or sensor technology to ensure that line decisions are fair.
It's just another decision of a long line of VERY dodgy calls. Seemingly the referees and linesman are in fact blind, or at least dodgy.
Agree 5000000%.
Like Pedro Mendes v Man U all over again
can they not change it? watch the replay at halftime or something?
Nope.
Only straight red cards can be appealed.
even an American is watching:
@andyroddick: i mean everyone on the planet can see that ball was 2 feet past the line... how do they not have someone that can call it good after replay?
Still though, don't fancy half time, we're playing well.
No. That is why Maradona's handball stands till this day.
It is like Brazil a few years ago when Pele was due to flag the winner and he missed the winning driver crossing the line. It didn't change the result but had it been football rules the second guy would have won just like me and Mr C karting
heehehe
@VirginRacing
In the motorhome it's Germans upstairs and English downstairs. Highly entertaining with the obvious Wembley comparisons!
Hehe.
No, the referee's decision is final, that is set in stone in the Laws Of The Game.
Shocking.
Half time: Germany 2 England 1
:)
Sack the ref (and linesman, and while you are at it Sepp Blatter to, and bring in video technology)
I am actually throwing stuff I am so mad!!!
i like that we've found a sport more antiquated than f1. that makes me happy.
will the scoreboard die in a minute?
Still, we've been 1000% better since that incident...
I havent been this mad for a long, long time.
I think these decisions always even out. Someday, England may score a goal and need a referee to say it crossed the line when it clearly didn't. Or hasn't that occurred already?
The linesman is on the 18 yard line
Even tennis are making moves to use computers and stuff.
Hehe : http://twitter.com/OliverKayTimes/status/17169716693
If the linesman can't see it, have a line judge who can!
The ref is 25 yards out and no way he can see it
Pedro Mendes scored a blatent goal 5 years ago that wasn't allowed.
Finished 0-0 and we didn't end up in the Champions League, Robbed.
true enough.
They have the appeal etc which they should have had in football years ago
Even those extra refs in the Europa League would have helped.
someone told Andy that FIFA don't want it because it undermines the referee, he says
"yeah great.... its ok to undermine the ref when they suck as bad as that call.... 100 percent ok"
I don't think @SeppBlatter will fancy checking his reply feed any time soon.
Obvious innit. Lord Triesman is right. Football is a fix. This happens too often!
I should go to bed but I might watch this instead just because I'll feel left out if I don't :D
It happened in a Scottish league game too. Start at 1:15 The defender catshes the ball as it comes out of the net , hands it to the keeper and they carry on when they realise the ref didn't see the goal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKuLtLXl7FI
My favourite one is the time Reading v Watford, the ball actually went out of play in the goal line and gave the goal.
Ooooh, and Crystal Palace when he hit the ball, scored and it bounced out and wasn't given.
No tech then Blatter?
So if Germany goes on to win this world cup, will the 2 countries be even?
"before you call for video, call for a referee who can see" says my tv
That wasn't even the one I was looking for. The same referee missed another one. A shot that smashed off the support at the back of the net and came back out. He thought it hit the post and carried on
who is he and how's his record?
some annoying guy, I have no idea :D
Germany have been the better team, they should be miles ahead to be fair. They probably would be the right winners of this game too... But, they aren't. It should be 2-2. If they win by a goal, no it won't be even.
It was a good game before the incident.
That could be any commentator in the world
Jorge Larrionda. From wikipedia:
He is Jorge Larrionda from Uruguay. Never heard of him
i meant the ref's record.
Not going to be refeering any more matches in this World Cup is he....
oh :D
The point is that we will probably loose now and it will open a whole can of worms...
Yeah, I gathered by the other comments.
There is no way the ref can make that decision. He is 25 yards out and has a bunch of players between him and the ball
Not his fault
The linesmans call, and got it wrong. His fault 100%
So put a sensor in the ball, have a line judge or use a video ref. Other sports do it and they work brilliantly.
Does this mean the English players escape from being blasted? Because I don't think they deserve to escape punishment. Especially the defense.
He works in his team that includes the linesmen, they made the howler, won't be doing much more.
What about the dude on the sidelines?
Should have gone to specsavers
Upson was shocking, even with the goal. Terry not much better.
But, after we scored, every hope and that
Absolutely. They tried a sensor in the ball for the under 19 world cup and never followed it up
Germany kick off. COME ON GERMANY!!!
wow, theres a lot of english flags around the stands there! (clearly I've just turned on my tv :D)
Roddick is right mad
real easy for FIFA to give vague answers.. they are not the ones who kill themselves for 4 years for an opportunity. really arrogant stance
Yes there are. England fans outnumber the rest there 2 to 1.
I see what you are saying, but if EVERYONE in the ground saw it, why didn't he?
Roddick has to talk. He ain't playing. I usually like his tweets but I think he should keep to scolding decision makers in his own sport.
Its the linesmans duty to see goals not the ref.
Sadly you are right on this one...
He's only ever allowed an opinion on tennis? We should all probably shut up then.
But everyone else on twitter seems to be having their say too, he shouldn't miss out just because he's famous.
Andy Murray has joined in too.
How on earth has the linesman and referee missed that?!Regardless of no technology, that mistake should never happen, worst mistake ever
Starting good...
*hearts Christine*
I would say Roddick has a great insight because his sport hinges on accurate and great line calls. Surely that means he can put in his two cents?
Saying FIFA is arrogant is a little over to me. The match hasn't even ended yet!
No way everyone in the ground saw it. Utterly impossible. How mayny unbiased people thought it was a goal in real time? Anyone who goes to football matches regularly claims for all sorts of decisions for their team whether they believe they deserve it or not. The bench are simply reacting to their own players as are the fans until they get messages or radio telling them that it was a goal
The 1st tweet was okay, but going on to call out FIFA before they can make a decision is way off. Feels like his usual confrontational self on the tennis court.
It makes a huge difference though
#Neutral
Not defending because of Germany. I just like FIFA as an organization.
Oh my word Lampard.
Seriously??? They are almost as hated as the old FIA...
My prediction: England will score then extra time and ...
they seem stupider than bernie to me.
lots of famous people are ripping into them now though, they're as passionate as "normal" people
http://twitter.com/Schofe/status/17169123646
They are run by a person who probably has a mobile from the 1980s/
Yes.
Nothing to do with famous or not. Just didn't like the 2nd tweet.
Might seem strange, but I guess I just like the way FIFA run things now. There can be improvements, but overall I am on their side. Usually.
You don't hear that everyday
i'm well pleased with fifa today, made me feel a lot better about f1.
i'm glad everyone in power is utterly incompetent.
The universality of the game: one of the main objectives of FIFA is to protect the universality of the game of association football. This means that the game must be played in the same way no matter where you are in the world. If you are coaching a group of teenagers in any small town around the world, they will be playing with the same rules as the professional players they see on TV
That's a silly position to take I reckon, it's not like anyone says tennis has been ruined because a few courts in the world have hawk-eye and thus it's no longer the same game as played by teenagers in any small town.
Precisely that is why I (heart) them. #meagainsttheworld
I don't play much sport so I don't know, but I would think seeing the professional games ridiculed in such a fashion wouldn't encourage me to keep at it.
It is also complete bull. At most professional matches in the world there is no fourth official. At lower levels there is only a referee and no linesmen.
Very good point here: http://twitter.com/Ravenblade86
Was a brilliant keeper. One of my inspirations.
It's like saying that my local go kart track needs to be as good as Yas Marina...
RIP. :(
Yeah a very sad story.
The England team have a conundrum now. If they lose this match they get a free pass because the ref will get the blame. But if they win here and lose the next one they will get slaughtered by the press
good point.
Not the track. Just the rules. Football is a game for the children and the poor. I don't see why rules should be specialized for the 'professionals'.
have you seen the ball they are playing with today?
Shoulda been a German corner.
Tomas! Come on Germany!
I've played with it. Those Mitre balls are underrated sometimes.
It's not the same. Football is always 11 vs 11 with only the players taking part. Motor sport is never just 12 teams of 2 drivers in 850bhp cars that cost gazillions other than F1
Likewise, not the equipment. Just the rules. It might sound strange, but that's me.
Yes, the football which costs SIXTY FIVE POUNDS - I don't see many poor kids from Ghana using that one ;)
We need Crouch.
The rules don't need to change but using technology to make the right decisions should happen
By the way, @seppblatter on twitter to tell him (nicely) why football needs goal line tech...
I bet your Go Kart track is more fun though ;)
Is sarcasm alright?
they go on to argue about how they can't do it because it would cost to much to put on every pitch for every match. I compare again to tennis because it's all I know, but at Wimbledon for example, they have hawk-eye on 3 courts and not on the other 15. And people are OK with that.
If they are so worried about using too high tech then use line judges.
By that reasoning, stop all tennis because in kids' games, the players make their own line calls...
Sooooo close.
Considering the wages players get, thats rubbish.
Of course. Just dont be sweary and abusive!
Not many ball boys and girls when I used to play either. 'Praps Federer should go chasing after his own tennis balls too? :)
Joe Cole coming on. Lovely
And if he hits it out of the court he can climb over the fence to get it back or pay for it
Hehe.
Dive
By FIFA's logic, yes.
Also new rule for F1 - all pitstops need to be perfomed by the drivers, because then it would be unfair to the kids who do go-karting to expect a pit crew...
Blocked him off, went down a bit easy.
3-1
Broken on the counter.
MULLER!!!!! GERMANY 3-1!!!!
Oh for...
And only the driver and his dad can tune the engine and set the car up
Oh dear, that settles it
At least Giggles is even now
Ashley Cole is awol
What annoys me is that the England team need a complete roasting, yet all the post mortem will be about will be that goal that never was...
I know Germany would have won anyway, but this has spoiled the world cup.
We already have that with the Hamiltons though ;)
Yeah, defensively, England have been nothing sort of pathetic.
Bring Crouch on please.
I can see it now. For the next 50 years we will hear bout how the golden generation were robbed by a bad refereeing decision
then I guess that the best thing now would be to Germany to win 6-1... ;-)
Oh for....
4-1!!!!!!!!!
4-1 Incredible
so even if it had been allowed, it'd still be 4-2 :D
We've been Mullered...
Deary me. Well done Germany
Cole-Terry-Upson-Johnson
Never should play for England ever again.
You can't say that though. Because England would not have needed tp commit so many players forward if they were level
ah. I am learning.
Ooh, I give up. Don't mind losing if it's a match but this is shocking.
Good. Keep going Germany. England needed this. For too long have we had false delusions of grandeur. We are rubbish, we have a league full of foreingers and funny money, no proper development of talent, players who have no incentive to do well and no pride in their jersey.
Nutmegged Glen Johnson with the pass for the goal. Unbelievable
Agreed.
And not using Heskey?
At least Sky are making bucket loads
If they were level it would be like Lewis saving his car till later in the race but because they didn't get that goal they had to go for fastest lap after fastest lap to catch up and they trashed their brakes doing that
But they should be putting it back into the game, instead it goes to those bleeding Murdochs.
Does he play for Spurs? If so, he should be on ;)
This is actually quite funny. It's like 2001 in reverse
Those poor RAF pilots looked so sad
ooh, it makes sense to me when it's in terms of a sport I understand :D
England were rubbish and would have been soundly beaten anyway.
I think everything should be explained in terms of something entirely different that people understand. I am trying to work out how to explain tennis in Cool Runnings terms
we needed a sauber holding up the opposition.
I am stunned England scored two goals when they did but that could have turned the game
I'm going to lose sleep over that now.
You are right it could have.
ooh i recognise that one from the tabloids!
You are planning to sleep?
It's got nothing to do with the coach, it's the players, the league, the greediness of football that's to blame.
I start work in 7 hours, I might just to kill some time between now and then.
She meant, a scheduled regeneration cycle
I am not so sure. I think his team selection is dodgy. I don't think the players are close to being as good as their reputation but he is not getting the best from them
He did just send on Heskey for Defoe.
Unlucky. THat would have been a great goal
SAVE! Neuer well done.
We've had English, Swedish, and Italian coaches and the results stay the same.
All the countries who are rubbish have teams full of over-paid prima donnas with massive egos and no sense of team spirit. There's no pride in the jersey.
The league is full of funny money and buys too many foreigners in stead of developing youths. No wonder teams like Algeria, NZ and Uruguay have surprised - they give their all every time they play...
that's a fair point.
Mick jagger with a long droopy face there...
...oh ;)
Capello said he would pick players in form. The fact Heskey is anywhere near the team suggests thats rubbish. Upson is playing too despite King-Dawson, even Carragher having better seasons than him. He tried to get Scholes out of retirement even though he is also well past it. There is a lot of blame that can be handed to Capello here.
I don't know a lot about football, but I do know that all the favourite players in the team of my Liverpool supporting friend are not English.
I think there is a different but absolutely fundamental problem. Everyone in the squad has only ever played in England. All they know is the premiership. They have no experience of what it is to play in a different country with different systems and different attitudes. I know they play European games but that is still with an English team.
England will never win the world cup until they have a squad with serious experience of playing and living in other countries
Germany have all their players in Germany. And they are winning 4-1.
also a good point.
The Danish player got paid £65,000 for getting to the world cup and failing.
Have you ever got a bonus and a pat on the back just for showing up for work on a Monday? Allright for some innit?
German Teamgeist. That's all they need.
Different country though and that has not always been the case there. I bet you I can name every England international who has played fo a foreign team in the plast 20 years and every team they have played for. I couldn't name all the French internationals who have played for Arsenal.
True... Beckham for one... and then... erm.
Germany play with the dreaded special World Cup ball in the Bundesleague...
And 5 players play for Bayern Munich...
Those factors have to help...
Ah yes, Owen and Woodgate.
Michael Owen
Woodgate
Ray Wilkins
Trevor Francis
Mark Hately
yep, several leagues in Europe have been using the ball since February.
Full time: Germany 4 England 1
Good point. Eveyone else is complaining about the ball. Germany played all their league games for the last 6 months with it
England haven't because of Nike and contract that they have to make the ball. Simple as that.
David Platt
No joined up thinking running the game in England
from Coronation St? :D
I believe the MLS is using the same ball for the 2010 season as well.
Anyways, commiserations to the English side. I imagine that goal that wasn't would have added a blot of drama to the match. :(
I don't watch it so maybe he is there now
Last we've seen from Capello at England? Hodgson favourite to replace if so #justsaying
Fabio has just signed a contract extension
Probably means nothing after that, would be like keeping Domenech after Euro 2008
This England team is worse than that at Euro 92...
Which will now earn him a cool few million pounds when he's sacked.
I hope not. Football needs to be revolutionised root and branch. It's way too corrupt and greedy - not just in England.
Stop spending money on your prawn sandwiches and foreign players and develop some kids!
It means it is going to cost the FA a lot to get rid of him and if you were the guy who offered him that how are you going to justify the expense of firing him and his team and hiring replacements? That would cost you your job
These teams (esp. the foreign-owned ones) are in it to win it. If the best players are abroad, they will get them. They're not gonna prioritize English players just because they're in England.
Fabio thinks they played well until the third goal. Peter Mandleson would be embarrassed with that amount of spin
#nopolitics
Yep. But the WC performance as a whole, not good enough to keep the job.
Fabio Capello suddenly forgets how to speak English?
Probably because he honestly thinks they should've been at 2-2.
"Err, England, never heard of it."
I think the foreigners are an easy target. If the home grown kids were good enough they would get a chance. The kids have to benefit by growing up around the top foreigners. Imagine you are a 16 year old striker at Liverpool and you are around Torres for example
Then stop letting Foreigners own teams. Make them Trusts with Minority foreign money. Enforce Salary Caps and make them spend 20% of the budget on youth development...
Absolutely
The home grown kids are not good enough because nobody can be bothered spending money on developing them when it's cheaper to let other countries do it and sign them cheap when they turn 16.
They've let the foreign-ownership genie out of the box. You can't push it back in. How do you push the foreign-owned teams out without getting stuck in all sorts of legal issues?
Salary caps? That just limits the players you can bring in and will limit what your clubs can do in Europe
Have you seen some of these academies. They are incredible.
From what I've heard, nothing on the likes of Holland though.
There is too much money in World Football. Sepp Blatter loves it too much to do the right thing and cap it.
The Dutch system has been the best since the early 70s so it will take a while to catch them
And yet Chelsea have not produced a single player, and Arsenal have almost no Enlgishmen.
WIth all the money the top 6 have, they should have done something about it by now.
Money has not been good for the game - it's gone on the prawn sandwich brigade, while ticket prices have gone up and none in devlopment...
This is the situation. The lower league clubs, the likes of Crystal Palace-Sheffield United bring up talented players. These players are snapped up by Chelsea etc when they are 16-17. They end up released when they are the likes of 21 to a League 1-2 club. Thats the issue.
Final thoughts. FA, if you go after 'Arry I will kill you all, and so will the rest of us Spurs fans.
And now food and look forward to some decent football antions of Argentina and Mexico who should put up a close match.
And it's totally wrong.
Germanys system is set up to aid national team - winter break/ homegrown player requirement/ huge number of academies. England's isn't
http://twitter.com/bbcsport_simon
+1
I already have my Argie T-Shirt on...
But why should the club sides care about the national team? They are in it for themselves and the examples you gave of Chelsea and Arsenal have done well working the way they are. What did Chelsea win before they had a billionaire foreign owner? Nothing since the FA cup in 1970
Have you added another nationality to your list?
Ghana FTW
That was yesterday.
Nah, I have a good friend who is one, and I found a t-shirt with the stripes on so I bought it.
I'm talking about the tournament :)
New Prem League rules are saying a team must have a select number of homegrown players in a 25 man squad, 7 I do believe. Its a start, but there needs to be a winter break.
Really off now.
That was Ashley Cole at right back for that goal!!! The defending was worse than thought
Because club should always come before country and the Leagues should be set up so that they entertain and nurture talent to make the national team great.
The clubs are independent companies and they now own the premier league which is effectively separate from the FA. The FA can do what they like with teh CHampionship etc but they have little influence on the Premier
I'm pretty sure you meant country come before club. ;)
But Steven is right.
i didn't get chance to say thank you to rocket redhead for this post before the game.
many, many thanks.
Well I'm saying I think it's wrong and that the whole system is upside down. I think the EPL, Serie A and Ligue 1 are all backwards...
What is true for F1 is true here too. Follow the money...
Anyway, gotta go - I think. See ya. :)
This is what FOTA wanted for F1...
Yeah, that...
that's crazy. how did that happen?
So you want clubs who play 50 games a season to set up their who system to suit an International team that plays 5
I think it is sensible. The league contributes massively more to England's reputation than the national team ever could. Football is a club game the internationals are just a bonus
No, I'm saying I want the league to invest in it's own future and develop the game rather than just take from it. then both win.
As it stands the clubs are just independent franchise who just make money for themsleves...
Great post. I thought she didn't know anything about football.
They are investing in their own future and they all have academies etc
So why, in the 10 years Chelsea have had one, have they not produced an English international? Why do they resort to buying a French 16 year old instead?
They will buy the French player either because they think he will one day make their team or that they can sell him on for a profit. To me young players breaking into top European clubs should be a rare thing. Any club that can afford to pay experienced international players would need a really good reason to put a kid in their team.
I do have a suggestion on how to "fix" English football. It's something I've mentioned a few times before in a few places and it certainly wouldn't work in real life because real life doesn't work like that.
I have a friend who was founding chairman of AFC Wimbledon (the club that was formed after Wimbledon football club was sold to Milton Keynes). And he was explaining to me why there isn't football on the television at 1pm on a Saturday. It's because it's not allowed to be on to encourage people to actually go to games.
But the problem is that lots of people have moved around the country and so they can't physically go to their game. The game is still recorded in full and is broadcast in other countries and fans then have to watch online strrams illegally to watch the game at all. And there still isn't the television capacity to watch all games.
Obviously technology is the solution to this the whole thing could be sold online. I suggested this and my friend said that this might be bad for smaller teams like his. His team is supported as a second team by a lot of supporters of other clubs. If people live a long way away from their home team they might not be able to get to their own clubs games so they came to his.
So I decided that this online system would work like this. We would sell you online reliable streaming of every match home and away of your team and the team geographically closest to your postcode. The money would be split fifty : fifty. So if you support Chelsea but you live in Manchester then your fee would go half to Chelsea and perhaps half to Manchester City, or perhaps a combined Ryman's league team that are just down the road but you've never bothered to support.
The idea would mean people were supporting their local grass roots teams and getting a decent way to watch football. And it would encourage people to start and support local grass roots football because there would actually be money in it.
It's obviously a totally crazy idea. But I like it :)
I don't think it is a crazy idea but there is an easier way to split the money. Half to the clubs playing and half into a pot that is split up say twice a season equally amongst all the competing teams.
Erik Samuelson? Heard him on the Non-League show, brilliant person.
Yeah well that would do it. I do still like the idea that you would suddenly have access to the local teams games online. So there is a part of it that helps people support their local teams....
"Just five pounds a month could help sponsor a player on your local team, and give you access to online football!!!!" ;)
Ah no not Erik, although he's great, Kris Stewart.
He was the first Chairman.
Ah right.
whos in for rgentina v meixco? or are we all still depressed?
I can't be the only one celebrating the victory of pretty football, can I?
Anyway, I'm here for this match. Ready for Maradona's antics!
Didn't know you had your own country RG....
RGentina???....
Mexico kick off!
Germany were alright, not 'pretty', took advantage of Englands rubbishness.
Yay for Maradona!
I'm here, cooking
Lukeh came up with it in their last game.
I'm here and not at all depressed
I'm here with my RGentina themed Tshirt on...
But but... their counters! Lovely work by young Mueller.
Will there be more provided on the sidpodcast store? ;)
Yay! 1 less person mourning for a team that does not deserve to be mourned.
Hehe.
Keeper forced to get the rubbish off the pitch while the stewards and refs stay happily where they were.
i'm not mourning. I'm not depressed. But I will be annoyed if all that happens is that Fab gets fired (see my rants earlier)
Already off the pitch with the rest of the Rubbish ;)
Fairly true, getting beat 4-1 is still bad though in any case.
Their shorts so do not work with the top, horrible.
:D
Mexico with a great chance!
Ooooh, Salcido I think smashes the bar.
Complain about the lack of sartorial elegance has been my job so far so it's good to see someone else taking an interest
Blimey. How close are Mexico going?
The ball moved tons for that second chance.
That was ridiculous
Why don't they just wear the away kit, makes more sense.
He should have had a yellow straight away there
Or black shorts
Cause I'm wearing stripes and it would be so unfair!
I'm quite enjoying this one...
Fantastic game this one.
Not bad so far.
Beautiful football...
Messi finally scores!!!!
Goal Argentina!! Tevez header from close range.
That ended up being a bit scrappy
YEEEESSS!!!
Ooooh, Tevez is well offside there.
Well offside, right?
Definitely offside.
If only they had technology
Whoops. Tevez is offside and he is the one with the last touch.
Okay this is controversial, has he ruled the goal out now?
i'm starting to get very disillusioned with football. this is like WWF Wrestling...
I'm now very confused.
No.
Who are the refs/linesmen today?
Now everyone on the planet including the officials know it wasn't a goal but they are going to give it
it's goal. he can't change the decision, the linesman never marked it...
No where near my dear. WWE is far worse scripted with lots of useless dialogue in between. ;)
The mexicans should walk off the pitch.
Nothing has changed. It has always been like this. I have been arguing with referees I know for many many years that things need to change
What good will that make? Argentina gifted a 3-0 win and Sepp Blatter says Mexico are just bad sports and refuses to changes everything.
Then what
Tell me how the refs/linesmen didn't see that one?
So erm did England lose earlier?
Yeah true. but someone needs to do something.
once the goal have been given, he can't change the decision. is bad for the football, good for the people in the pubs...
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They are watching so many things and have to watch the ball being played and the position of the guy who is going to receive it at the same time. None of us suggested offside before the replay
Linesmen get things wrong, they miss obvious things sometimes, it is a tough job, it is his fault but there needs to be help for him, especially in this day and age when there are cameras everywhere.
Trashed 4-1 by the Germans. :D
Higuain scores from a horrid defensive error!
Oh dear, howler from the Mexican there.
Super. Are they calling anyone in particular a cheater? Should the ref be banned from the sport? What's the excuse?? :P
2-0
No debate about that one. That was a present teh England defence could be proud of
Isn't the linesman supposed to be looking for offside though?
Haha, one of the Argentina players gets hit by the camera, slaps it in return
A goal that should have stood but did not stand by Lampard. But really, England was just outclassed. :P
Higuain now outright top scorer of the competition I think.
England scored a goal to make it 2-2 and the ref decided it wasn't over the line despite it being in by 3 feet. To be fair though the BBC at the time said that would have made no difference and the team was rubbish
well, as with germany, this will cancel a bit the problem of the goal/no-goal...
Yes but it is not easy to do
And seemed to take defensive advice from a Sunday League team.
Another Mexico mistake. Dear me, you can't do that with this attack.
heehee. Lovely article here states all that needs to be said really.
Haha okay. I knew there'd be something.... I was sure I heard grumbling on my way to the bank tonight.
Not really, because the Mexicans have had the stuffing knocked out of them like a Piñata since that first goal was scored...
Free shots on goal day?
Hehe, looks like it. Credit to Mexico, still going for it.
Lovely imagery there. I can imagine blue and white ticker tape. :D
Is that the same Sid Lowe from the Guardian?
Yep.
Yes.
I couldn't tell because it wasn't written in an airport, he doesn't say "Hang on a minute" and you can't hear his dog barking...
Hehe.
Higuain, unmarked, close, shoulda scored.
Unlucky Mexico
that should have been red card...
Enjoyable first half. Even if Mr Blatter continues to have a lot to answer for.
Half time Argentina 2 Mexico 0
Half time: Argentina 2 Mexico 0
FIGHT!!!!!!!
Ooooh hello, getting ugly.
BIFFO!
oooooohhhhh fight? Gathering there near the benches. :(
Ooooh a fight :P
ads here. what's happening?
People thought hawk eye would destroy tennis but it hasn't at all. It's enhanced it I think.
How can Hanson hold a view his entire life and be converted based on two incidents when there have been hundreds before?
They've gone into the changing rooms now. There were some angry mexicans. No-one actually got smacked I don't think. Just a bit of verbal abuse.
Because he's a fickle pundit preaching to the choir?
Anyway, "The defence was just SHOCKING"...
:D
Cripes that really was a goal wasn't it :P
For all their waffling though, no-one has said what decision the mexicans are annoyed about? What happened?
How did the linesman not see that?
And the Argentina one?
Oh that's right, both teams are sponsored by adidas?
in the first goal from argentina tevez was offside
It will be the offside. Presumably words were exchanged leaving the pitch and as so often is the case when argumentative players stary funneling into the dressing rooms a fight starts
Ah I see. I'm not long in the door :)
This match looks good, why aren't they talking about it? I don't want to hear from Steven Gerrard....
This has been BBC and ITV's style the whole World Cup - never mind the game at hand, let's hear from England...
BBC have a full 15 minutes to cover and you can't do it all with that match. ITV have about 8 minutes, no excuse there.
Most people watching are English and want to know about England really.
Errrm having not seen the first half, I can say I haven't really seen proper highlights. They didn't even show the "controversial" goal
They just showed the ref sneaking a peek at the big screen replay and were outraged,
So what are they going to do now then? Interview the players from their homes in the UK?
who's the fool in the england squad who thinks the world cup comes around every year?
#knowsmoreabouttheworldcupthanhim
Chile play on Monday yes?
Sorry I wasn't listening. I've had enough of that part of the coverage-
Ahhh, Maradona, he's brilliant to watch.
Argentina kick off!
Wasn't paying attention but it shows how switched on they have been all along
:D
Yes, against Brazil.
I can not wait for that one. C'mon Chile (for Monday)
I've actually just realised Monday is tomorrow, oops.
"we have to look at our own games and then come back stronger next year"
i reckon they'll win it too.
You can play in the England defence. You don't know what day it is either
I'm looking forward to the holland game...
:D
He might mean in terms of the season for the start of the European Championship Qualifiers.
:D haha
They start this year
Next year can also mean next season. I say it all the time.
True
What a shot
woooowwww!!!!
Oh my god what a strike from Tevez
TEVEZ SCORES A BLINDER!!!
Tevez knows how to use the jambalaya ball
that was very wrong from the stadium TV. you can't show replays of that kind of plays if the referee is not allowed to use them to take decisions
Whoa, you do not do a back pass in that situation
Selfish there. Should have passed.
Bye bye Tevez.
he wanted to make a couple of goals more :P
Mexico cleared off the line.
Over the line? I don't think so...
Any calls before we get the replay??
No goal for me
Don't blame him, he's got two already, he wants a hat trick doesnt he.
No, didn't look it, defender was on the line i think
no goal
MEXICO SCORE!!!
What a goal for Mexico! Hernandez
That one was over the line
3-1
given mexico's defense efforts, it was probable
BANG!
http://twitpic.com/20i7kn :D
Hehe, I likes this too: http://asset.soup.io/asset/0894/0762_09df_960.png
:D
:D
Convenient for Heize to be injured
That is brilliant!
This Hernandez fella is quite good.
Pants!
Will this lot beat the Germans you reckon?
No.
Yes, easily.
Yes but I think it will be a great game
the first half team? yes
the second half team? no
Me too.
Ah but they have just played the easy game in the second half - if they do that against the Germans the result will be the same...
Mexico played well, took it to Argentina. Unlucky with their first goal and 3-1 is harsh. Overall though, best team are going through.
Ooooh Messi.
Its inevitable his first goal will be the winner in the final I bet.
Messi still can't score....
Messi is just awesome. He's my first pick in any fantasy team...
there should be a law stating that at some point before the end one goalkeeper must let Messi score.. :P
Full time: Argentina 3 Mexico 1
Well done Argentina.
Good game. Argentina in cruise mode for a lot of it
Not mine, sorry. Prefer the usual out-and-out 2 strikers rather than auxiliaries.
So Argentina vs Germany! Hoping Die Mannschaft can defeat Messi's team without him scoring a single goal either (like Rooney). ;)
I said it at 5pm today it will be a Uruguay-Argentina final. I stand by that, Argentina to win 3-2 aet.
The difference is Messi is contributing to his team where Rooney did nothing
Uruguay??????
I don't do sane predictions.
Great tweet..
MartinHaven ..
"Fed up with people whining about England match? Follow @InsideFerrari and see them banging on ad infinitum about today's Safety Car"
What's your twitter name btw?
Yay for Ferrari saving the day once again! :P
I am calling Germany to go through it the hard way, beating Argentina, Spain, then Brazil for their 4th star. :D
Errr... mine?...
at least it would be a nice final, something to get back the brotherhood after some political problems last year. it would be a big party, no matter who wins :-)
Yeah like mine's @rubbergoat
AWW NOT THE ENGLAND GAME AGAIN!!1
I feel for you, I really do. Thankfully my coverage is more sensible. Doing match analysis for the ARG-MEX game now - complete with circling and tracking of player movement and everything. :D
You will get this all the way to the final and beyond. You can guarantee at half time in the final unless it is the greatest game in history someone will make a comment that England could have been here had it not been for ......
:(
those pesky kids.
I am afraid I haven't tweeted for an age...
When I do I am @LadySnowcat
But I only actually did a few tweets and that was about 2 months ago...
All I do at the mo is follow the James Allen tweets as that's easy peasy....
I'm rather frantic in the summer with travelling and stuff...
I thought the management had taken the night off
hahah :)
Can I just say at this point, if I haven't already, bloody good job today from Germany!
Motty is showing himself up now...
I love this BBC film BTW...
My RGie mate said RGentina might do well because in '86 they qualified badly and won. We shall see!
How can Lineker qualify England's bad performance with "Well, we'd never beat RGentina anyway..."?
Standard procedure. Before the tournament England are in with a serious chance of winning the WC. As soon as they are kicked out the team are rubbish, the manager is rubbish and other teams are way better than expected. The fact this happens every single time you would think would make theim more realistic. I can't remeber the stat but it is a ridiculously long time since England beat Brazil, Argentina, Italy or Germany in a competitive international
1966
Is it eally that long ago? I knew it was ages but that is incredible
At this point I would like to shout "I TOLD YOU SO" to many people, but apparently someone got angry the last time i did that because apparently you're not allowed to be honest about england whilst they're in the world cup, but i shant because im lovely really!
Good night guys!