We're now recovering from the shock of seeing those pug-ugly 2009 shaped wings, and starting to think a little more realistically. No doubt they will evolve before the season starts, it's just the first iteration, everything will look much better after we've slept on it.

The first day of testing in Barcelona yesterday was one of the big topics, so I can only assume today will see more of the same. Topics for discussion include:

  • How did Sato manage to top the timesheets? How would he fare with a return to Formula 1?
  • How much of a health and safety concern is KERS really going to be? Mechanics wearing rubber gloves isn't exactly the image F1 wants to portray, surely?
  • Who will win the race seat shoot-outs?
  • Brundle has confirmed he will be commentating for the BBC next year, which is excellent. Who will join him though?

It's all up for debate, plus anything else you've got on your minds. Make the best use of drop.io to attach any pictures you might find, and I'll see you in the comments.

363 responses

  • Ollie18/11/2008 at 00:30

    How did Sato manage to top the timesheets?

    In a non-modified car, per chance? But seriously, the boy done good. Third (or fourth) time lucky...? Or is it a case of 'he's already had enough chances at the big time'...?

  • Flibster18/11/2008 at 00:35

    Ollie: 18/11/2008 at 00:30

    How did Sato manage to top the timesheets?

    In a non-modified car, per chance? But seriously, the boy done good. Third (or fourth) time lucky…? Or is it a case of ‘he’s already had enough chances at the big time’…?

    1000bhp Honda V10? ;)

  • Dave In NZL18/11/2008 at 00:42

    I'd like to see a blogger mention what iteration the test cars are in - was Sato's 1000bhp V10 slick-shod and skirt-endowed?

    Even the teams are running different cars (09front+09rear wing vs. 09front+08rear), so comparisons between drivers mightn't be the whole story.

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 00:55

    Who will join him though?

    As far as I know, Jonathan Legard is still looking good to take James's job.

  • Alianora La Canta18/11/2008 at 01:21

    Pitpass has done a report on the testing. Apparently the only concession Sato's and Buemi's cars had to the 2009 regulations was reduced downforce. However, no explanation is given for Sato beating Buemi by such a margin. If STR are sensible, then Sato should now be the favourite for the seat Vettel vacated.

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 01:54

    "Brundle has confirmed he will be commentating for the BBC next year, which is excellent. Who will join him though?"

    Really? Awesome! :D First I've heard of it :)

    Also, just to point something out. I looked in the most recent issue of Autosport and I've found out I share my birthday with ex-Simtek driver Mimmo Schiatarella :D

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 01:55

    1000bhp Honda V10?

    The "Suzuka Special" perhaps ;)

  • Dirty Scarab18/11/2008 at 02:05

    Sato's just plain fast. He's a liability, but plain fast. Might have had something to do with the go-faster purple rings painted on his tyres...

    Great news about Brundle. I watch the races here on Speed in the U.S. but I always 'obtain' the races online in the UK as well and I would have missed Martin...

  • Dave In NZL18/11/2008 at 02:56

    Scott - I've just noticed that you've got a link to the live comments for this thread in your user name. Is that /ria/ajax always pointing to the latest 'daily' or is ther an easy way to locate todays live daily?

    me/Christine - could you perhaps put the link to the live daily in the original blog post each day? I think that would help a lot when things get thick and fast.

  • Jordan Allen ( says \\\\\\\"Buy Jordan Wines\\\\\\\")18/11/2008 at 03:50

    Oh come on guys. I predict a total snoozefest for the 2009 season. As both Barrichello and Sato will win every event for Honda for F1's first ever 100% hit rate for one constructor in one season.

    Of course, with Button gone, Lou will not have much fun either. My money's on Sato trying and missing a Kamikaze move on Barrichello at the last race of the season And Barrichello winning the title on the basis of one more 2nd place finish than Sato.

    Right. With just 1:10 to go locally, I was getting desparate for something to say for Must Comment Monday... :P .

  • Jordan Allen ( says "me" to partner Brundle now!)18/11/2008 at 03:55

    Hmmm, As much as I would love Murray Walker to partner Martin Brundle. Maybe some fresh blood that can imitate Walker would be better. "me" has been known to do a few Murrayisms in his day, why not him?

  • Scott in Italy18/11/2008 at 06:24

    Hmmm, As much as I would love Murray Walker to partner Martin Brundle. Maybe some fresh blood that can imitate Walker would be better. “me” has been known to do a few Murrayisms in his day, why not him?

    Well I guess there's not much call for impressions of formula 1 cars when you're commentating. It might just be worth it :)

  • Scott in Italy18/11/2008 at 06:27

    I've been watching some of the races in the official videos. I love these things. the music is great, and you can remember how great the races are. If there are lots of scenery shots in the first 30 seconds - it was a bad race :)

    Australia, hamilton winning and DC crashing. i guess that sums up the whole season...

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 08:14

    If there are lots of scenery shots in the first 30 seconds - it was a bad race

    Indeed. If it's a good race, there's usually so much stuff going on that there's no time left for the glamour shots. One good exception is Singapore - that was a good race, but they put in a good amount of glamour shots too.

    I've mentioned this before, that given all the practice they've had, they better make a very good FIA Gala video.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 08:21

    My shameless plug for Keith's promo has fallen into the moderation queue. :P

  • Dank18/11/2008 at 08:47

    Hamilton to take on Chris Hoy at Race of Champions: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/motorsport/7734829.stm

    (still not going to go mind!)

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 10:29

    How did Sato manage to top the timesheets?

    Simple. He did a Banzai Lap!

    How much of a health and safety concern is KERS really going to be?

    Hmm, let's see - Electric shocks, exploding batteries and high-speed flywheels right next to a driver's head. Someone could get seriously hurt if we all just carry on and not voice our concerns like we did in 1994.

    Brundle has confirmed he will be commentating for the BBC next year, which is excellent. Who will join him though?

    This business of Brundle and will he/won't he sign for the BBC reminds me of 1996 - if I remember correctly we were all uncertain whether Murray Walker was going to make the switch from BBC to ITV... It turned out he was going to all along but Bernie had asked him to keep quiet about it.

    What race was it this year when Brundle did his grid walk and Bernie asked him "Are you still working for ITV?" I still don't fully understand why he asked him that...

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 10:32

    Dank said:

    Hamilton to take on Chris Hoy at Race of Champions: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/motorsport/7734829.stm

    (still not going to go mind!)

    Why not? I like the RoC idea - drivers being tested in different classes of car in equal machinery (and somebody always beats Schumacher!)

  • me18/11/2008 at 10:55

    Scott - I’ve just noticed that you’ve got a link to the live comments for this thread in your user name. Is that /ria/ajax always pointing to the latest ‘daily’ or is ther an easy way to locate todays live daily?

    how odd. scott you must be really keen on the live commenting page :)

    me/Christine - could you perhaps put the link to the live daily in the original blog post each day? I think that would help a lot when things get thick and fast

    using the following link:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/category/daily/

    will give you all daily threads, with the very latest first. does that help?

  • Dank18/11/2008 at 10:56

    Why not? I like the RoC idea - drivers being tested in different classes of car in equal machinery (and somebody always beats Schumacher!)

    I contemplated going last year and was glad I didn't in the end. Tickets were expensive, with the cheaper ones meaning your seats were closer to Watford than what's going on in front. The people who went said it was absolutely freezing, drawn out and £25 to park. Watching it on the TV, the place was devoid of any atmosphere with half of Wembley Stadium empty.

    On face value it doesn't look that particularly entertaining either? I might be wrong, but why do they hold it at Wembley and not at say Brands Hatch on the Indy Circuit? There you would get a decent view regardless of where you stand and have a half decent (proper) race going on, not two cars on two separate tracks similar to a Scalextric set.

    The principle of the idea is a good one, I just think it could be better implemented.

  • me18/11/2008 at 10:57

    Hmmm, As much as I would love Murray Walker to partner Martin Brundle. Maybe some fresh blood that can imitate Walker would be better. “me” has been known to do a few Murrayisms in his day, why not him?

    thus far the bbc haven't met my demands.

  • me18/11/2008 at 10:58

    Hamilton to take on Chris Hoy at Race of Champions

    so... let me get the straight.

    lewis will be at the RoC, but he's not allowed to take on any other driver in equal machinery?

    just a man on a bike?

  • me18/11/2008 at 10:59

    if I remember correctly we were all uncertain whether Murray Walker was going to make the switch from BBC to ITV… It turned out he was going to all along but Bernie had asked him to keep quiet about it.

    too true. the will he / won't story has generated a lot of (mostly wrong) headlines. the beeb (and bernie) have done well out of it.

  • Dank18/11/2008 at 11:02

    lewis will be at the RoC, but he’s not allowed to take on any other driver in equal machinery?

    just a man on a bike?

    Yup. Ridiculous that they couldn't have Hamilton going up against Schumacher!

  • F1Wolf18/11/2008 at 11:04

    I want Sato back !!!

    and what about those medals Bernie says will go ahead next year ?

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:05

    I want Sato back !!!

    and what about those medals Bernie says will go ahead next year ?

    a) i really, reeeeally don't.

    b) it was decided on the last panel that they were a silly idea, and no doubt bernie tuned in and saw sense :)

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:07

    Yup. Ridiculous that they couldn’t have Hamilton going up against Schumacher!

    it's pathetic isn't it?

    if he loses to a man using pedal power he'll be lampooned. presumably macca have done extensive virtual reality runs to ensure that can't happen.

    is this all about the sports personality of the year or something?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 11:08

    Yup. Ridiculous that they couldn’t have Hamilton going up against Schumacher!

    I'm guessing Lewis (or more likely his dad) said no; I don't see Schumacher saying no, he doesn't have anything to lose by going up against a young gun. Lewis, on the other hand, wouldn't want to get beaten by a guy who's retired and hasn't had a competitive 4-wheel race since's Massa's invitational last year. :)

    is this all about the sports personality of the year or something?

    yup, both of them go straight to the bbc gala after the race, methinks.

  • Dank18/11/2008 at 11:10

    is this all about the sports personality of the year or something?

    Think it's on the very same day as RoC? I see a publicity machine churning away here!

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:10

    I’m guessing Lewis (or more likely his dad) said no; I don’t see Schumacher saying no, he doesn’t have anything to lose by going up against a young gun.

    schumi comes out of this looking like a hero doesn't he?

    he's not afraid to go up against the best (and lose to the best) in equal machinery.

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:11

    Think it’s on the very same day as RoC? I see a publicity machine churning away here!

    yup, both of them go straight to the bbc gala after the race, methinks.

    what a load of tosh. do they think we're all idiots or something?

    an insult to the paying public.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 11:14

    me: 18/11/2008 at 11:10

    I’m guessing Lewis (or more likely his dad) said no; I don’t see Schumacher saying no, he doesn’t have anything to lose by going up against a young gun.

    schumi comes out of this looking like a hero doesn’t he?

    he’s not afraid to go up against the best (and lose to the best) in equal machinery.

    Indeed. In fact, Schumi has praised Lewis on a regular basis, most recently in an interview with the BBC at Dubai. And when asked by F1 Racing if he'd have wanted to race against Lewis, he said it would be "very interesting". So Schumi would almost definitely have wanted to race Lewis at Wembley.

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:15

    And when asked by F1 Racing if he’d have wanted to race against Lewis, he said it would be “very interesting”. So Schumi would almost definitely have wanted to race Lewis at Wembley.

    so lewis is chicken?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 11:17

    so lewis is chicken?

    maybe his dad is? I don't think Lewis himself would've mind: he did say yes (albeit hesitantly) to Jenson and DC's offer of a triathlon post-Silverstone, but his dad killed that off.

    Also, remember that story on the TG blog this time last year that Lewis wanted to come back and have a 2nd go at the Stig's record (since he fell short first time out thanks to a damp track)? Whatever came out of that? Did TG say no, or did Lewis change his mind?

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:18

    I don’t think Lewis himself would’ve mind: he did say yes (albeit hesitantly) to Jenson and DC’s offer of a triathlon post-Silverstone, but his dad killed that off.

    ahh, good point.

    Whatever came out of that? Did TG say no, or did Lewis change his mind?

    i can't imagine TG saying no. i assumed it was ron intervening, but you could be right.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 11:21

    i can’t imagine TG saying no. i assumed it was ron intervening, but you could be right.

    Ron doesn't tend to interfere in driver's off-season activities, so long as it doesn't affect the development and rollout of next season's car. It's usually the race drivers' "time off", so they can do as they please, really.

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 11:25

    I don’t think Lewis himself would’ve mind: he did say yes (albeit hesitantly) to Jenson and DC’s offer of a triathlon post-Silverstone, but his dad killed that off.

    Whoever manages Lewis' publicity does an awful job! First the pantomime thingy in Turkey, then the Triathlon thing and now he isn't allowed to take part in the RoC?

    If it's his dad, he is clearly no good at publicity - a lot of people really dislike Lewis because he appears arrogant and inaccessible. If he took part in events like this and stopped appearing as though his dad is living vicariously through him, a lot more people would like him IMO.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 11:30

    If it’s his dad, he is clearly no good at publicity - a lot of people really dislike Lewis because he appears arrogant and inaccessible. If he took part in events like this and stopped appearing as though his dad is living vicariously through him, a lot more people would like him IMO.

    I remember the reason they give for bailing out on the triathlon was that Lewis was in a championship battle and he couldn't afford getting hurt or injured in something he doesn't need to do a la Montoya.

    But let's also consider: Schumi has been an RoC regular ever since it started (I remember him getting beat by then-rising start Kovalainen), and he was still winning races and titles after that. Massa and Barrichello also participate in Brazilian kart events in the off-season: it doesn't seem to hurt their performance any. Even Kimi likes to do other stuff in the off-season (usually skiing or some other winter activity). So why not Lewis?

  • Jeremy18/11/2008 at 11:31

    Re: Brundle on the Beeb

    YAY!

    i sleep now

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:34

    Ron doesn’t tend to interfere in driver’s off-season activities, so long as it doesn’t affect the development and rollout of next season’s car. It’s usually the race drivers’ “time off”, so they can do as they please, really.

    i heard (maybe for last year's roc?) that the organisers blamed ron for not letting their drivers be part of RoC.

    all i can say, is i bet heikki is proper fed up now.

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:35

    Whoever manages Lewis’ publicity does an awful job! First the pantomime thingy in Turkey, then the Triathlon thing and now he isn’t allowed to take part in the RoC?

    he answers to the name of anthony.

    If he took part in events like this and stopped appearing as though his dad is living vicariously through him, a lot more people would like him IMO.

    complete agreement from me.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 11:43

    i heard (maybe for last year’s roc?) that the organisers blamed ron for not letting their drivers be part of RoC.

    hmmm... i see. i wonder why, though...

    If he took part in events like this and stopped appearing as though his dad is living vicariously through him, a lot more people would like him IMO.

    Not sure if you've read this article, but let me reference it:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article5076423.ece

    Specifically, let me quote this bit:

    On internet forums and radio phone-ins across the nation yesterday, thousands of fans took the time to express their pride and joy in a British driver who held his nerve to triumph in one of the most pulsating, dramatic and emotionally charged sporting events of recent years. They eulogised about his strength of character, raved about the example he sets to youngsters and drooled over his winning looks.

    But thousands of others took a different view, dialling in to express their dislike for a man who, they believe, symbolises everything that has gone wrong with modern sport.

    It goes on to say:

    The issue seems to go far deeper than Hamilton, whose handlers like to cultivate the image of a flag-waving patriot, living as a tax exile in Switzerland.

    There is also a pervasive feeling that the driver is aloof and manipulative: a cleverly spun, commercially groomed media creation with whom many feel little or no affinity. “He is confrontational. He is arrogant. He is selfish. In short, he is an entirely un-British sportsman,” wrote one blogger.

    It more or less fits our discussion. Note the word handlers, plural. Who else is handling him other than his dad? That's what I want to know.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 11:43

    I now have TWO comments in the moderation queue. Help! :O

  • me18/11/2008 at 11:57

    I now have TWO comments in the moderation queue. Help! :O

    i've dug out one of them, but unless you really are trying to flog us little blue pills, that's the only one we have?

    It more or less fits our discussion. Note the word handlers, plural. Who else is handling him other than his dad? That’s what I want to know.

    ronnie?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:04

    My shameless plug for Keith’s promo has fallen into the moderation queue.

    It's the comment before that one... supposedly. Hmmm. Oh well, let me post it again here:

    Keith posted on his site about a promo for all the Tilke-wannabes out there. A prize of GBP100 (which is quite a handsome sum) will be given to the winners in 2 categories. Best of all, anyone can join, both inside AND outside the UK!

    http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/11/18/design-an-f1-track-and-win-100/

    Back to business:

    ronnie?

    Petersen? He hasn't been around for a while. :P

    But yeah, I get your drift. Given his history with Kimi, I don't think he's that good. Those who DID become loved, like Ayrton and Mika, did it without Ron's help. :)

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:04

    i’ve dug out one of them, but unless you really are trying to flog us little blue pills, that’s the only one we have?

    Are you sure? Try again. If it wasn't there awhile ago, it should be there now. :P

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 12:06

    i’ve dug out one of them, but unless you really are trying to flog us little blue pills, that’s the only one we have?

    Is that what we will call Takuma Sato if he gets a drive at Toro Rosso? :-D

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:08

    Is that what we will call Takuma Sato if he gets a drive at Toro Rosso?

    :D

    ahh, it'll be worth him getting the drive just for that.

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:09

    some lovely quotes from pdlr:

    "Considering this is Formula One - if people think the introduction of KERS and the reduction in downforce and slicks is going to transform Formula One, then forget it.

    "It will still be a wide car, there will still be aerodynamic effect and offline will stay dirty. It will be easier, but it won't be MotoGP. And people need to understand that."

    http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12433_4515384,00.html

    he's a ray of blooming sunshine isn't he?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:11

    Is that what we will call Takuma Sato if he gets a drive at Toro Rosso?

    Ooooh, harsh!

    Lunchtime at Barca, and Sato is leading Buemi (again) by half a second (bigger gap than yesterday). Bourdais is also there, but his times haven't been posted yet.

    Vettel suffered a brake failure in the morning, so I'm not sure when he'll get to go back out.

    he’s a ray of blooming sunshine isn’t he?

    I'm sure Alonso felt the same way when they were together at McLaren. :P Speaking of which, PDLR is driving the Force India today.

    Are you sure? Try again. If it wasn’t there awhile ago, it should be there now.

    No dice finding it?

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:14

    I’m sure Alonso felt the same way when they were together at McLaren. :P Speaking of which, PDLR is driving the Force India today.

    really? ooh, that give the rumour sites something to work with :)

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:15

    nice pics from today's test on the renault blog:

    http://my.ing-renaultf1.com/en/blog/872-Barcelona-Testing-Day-2-18-11-2008.html

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:16

    have stolen the most recent test times from the renault blog:

    1 SAT 1:20.017 79

    2 VET 1:20.411 13

    3 BUE 1:20.553 65

    4 PAF 1:21.340 30

    5 KUB 1:21.521 51

    6 BUT 1:21.770 59

    7 ROS 1:21.871 69

    8 SUT 1:22.073 44

    9 BAD 1:22.425 69

    10 DIG 1:22.492 59

    11 PIQ 1:22.520 39

    12 GEN 1:22.898 13

    13 HEI 1:23.080 47

    14 GAR 1:23.250 37

    15 DEL 1:23.499

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:18

    No dice finding it?

    I guess not then. Hahaha!

    really? ooh, that give the rumour sites something to work with

    I wouldn't read too much into it. I think PDLR was just sent there by McLaren to baseline the Force India car and see where McLaren can help.

    have stolen the most recent test times from the renault blog:

    What, Bourdais hasn't set a time yet? How odd. Nice to see Vettel back on track... I think.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 12:19

    nice pics from today’s test on the renault blog:

    I like this comment from there: "Is there a requirement by Renault that only handsome guys can be the drivers?"

    :D

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:19

    I guess not then. Hahaha!

    what? your comment is up.

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:20

    I like this comment from there: “Is there a requirement by Renault that only handsome guys can be the drivers?”

    are you "miss vicky" per chance?

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 12:21

    It's nice to see different names lining up on the list. Who's DEL?

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:23

    It’s nice to see different names lining up on the list. Who’s DEL?

    pedro.

    both paffett and pdlr are driving today, for the same team but running different liveries :D

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:23

    what? the comment is there?

    Yes! I got the message that the comment is in moderation. :O

    It’s nice to see different names lining up on the list. Who’s DEL?

    Renault got the shorthand wrong. That should be DLR, as in de la Rosa.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:24

    both paffett and pdlr are driving today, for the same team but running different liveries

    Oooh, mean! :P

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:25

    Yes! I got the message that the comment is in moderation. :O

    yes... and then we took it out?

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 12:25

    pedro.

    Ah, pedalo. I was thinking Delboy or something for a minute. That'd be worth watching!

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:27

    yes… and then we took it out?

    Nope, I'm talking about the original message that you couldn't find in the queue. I resent it again, just around 5 minutes ago, then I got the moderation message.

    Ah, pedalo. I was thinking Delboy or something for a minute. That’d be worth watching!

    Delboy? Ehh?

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:27

    Ah, pedalo. I was thinking Delboy or something for a minute. That’d be worth watching!

    that would be brilliant :)

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 12:28

    Nope, I’m talking about the original message that you couldn’t find in the queue. I resent it again, just around 5 minutes ago, then I got the moderation message.

    Either way, the comment is up now, so all is well.

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:28

    Delboy? Ehh?

    you don't know delboy?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:29

    Either way, the comment is up now, so all is well.

    Nope, it still isn't up. I sent it at around 12:03.

    you don’t know delboy?

    Erm, nope. Who he?

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:30

    Nope, it still isn’t up. I sent it at around 12:03.

    i WILL kill myself. the comment is there, it's been there since the first time you pointed it out.

    there is no simple solution to the problem of comment moderation. if we didn't have it, the site would be littered with spam, by having it enabled, that means sometimes comments go into moderation and we dig them out when we can.

    that is the best we can do, sorry. i am now going for a lie down.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:33

    i WILL kill myself.

    Don't get THAT extreme. :P But this info may help. Often, whenever a message of mine gets moderated, I get the message saying it's been marked as spam. This time, I got a different message saying the comment was placed into moderation. Any difference between the two?

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 12:33

    Nope, it still isn’t up. I sent it at around 12:03.

    The one about the Tilke competition? I've read it. It's definitely there. If you're waiting for the first one, it never appeared in the mod queue, so we've got no chance of rescuing it.

    Erm, nope. Who he?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/onlyfools/uncovered/derek.shtml

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 12:36

    So, is Pedalo in line to switch to Force India, or are they just using his testing experience to their best advantage?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:37

    Ugh. No wonder it wasn't coming out. The live commenting thing wouldn't show it until I refreshed it. Does that count as a bug?

    Oh well. Sorry for the hassle.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:39

    Hmmm. I think there IS a bug. Whenever I try posting a comment through live commenting, it initially says that it's in moderation. But when I refresh it, it comes out fine.

    Odd.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:40

    So, is Pedalo in line to switch to Force India, or are they just using his testing experience to their best advantage?

    Nope, methinks not. they're just using his testing knowhow. Besides, why waste a seat on PDLR when they can race PDR instead? (Yup, those 2 acronyms are different.) :D

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:43

    So, is Pedalo in line to switch to Force India, or are they just using his testing experience to their best advantage?

    maybe mclaren need more info on that ferrari engine?

  • Flibster18/11/2008 at 12:44

    There's no point in that - it's the early Ferrari engine not the recent iteration of it.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:45

    There’s no point in that - it’s the early Ferrari engine not the recent iteration of it.

    It's still more recent than last year's info. ;)

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 12:47

    So, is Pedalo in line to switch to Force India, or are they just using his testing experience to their best advantage?

    maybe mclaren need more info on that ferrari engine?

    I would have thought McLaren had enough Ferrari data :-D

    But seriously, do you think Ferrari will complain about this? It seems a bit unfair for McLaren to buy into a Ferrari team and then get data from it's engine?

    Maybe they will try and sue Force India or something for breach of contract?

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:51

    But seriously, do you think Ferrari will complain about this? It seems a bit unfair for McLaren to buy into a Ferrari team and then get data from it’s engine?

    if i were them i would. it's tantamount to spying and y'know the team (and the driver) have history.

  • Dank18/11/2008 at 12:53

    So, is Pedalo in line to switch to Force India, or are they just using his testing experience to their best advantage?

    Done deal according to F1-Live: http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/081118132654.shtml

    Announcement to be made in a couple of weeks. Take it with a pinch of salt?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:53

    if i were them i would. it’s tantamount to spying and y’know the team (and the driver) have history.

    Oh no. Not again. :O

    Wait, hang on: are we SURE that it's a Ferrari engine in there? It could be a Merc for all we know.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 12:54

    Announcement to be made in a couple of weeks. Take it with a pinch of salt?

    GMM. Take it with a ROCK of salt.

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:55

    Announcement to be made in a couple of weeks. Take it with a pinch of salt?

    hmm, GMM story. that's a toughie cause they're quoting Diario AS as a source.

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 12:56

    Wait, hang on: are we SURE that it’s a Ferrari engine in there? It could be a Merc for all we know.

    It can't be a Merc as you'd have to redesign the engine mountings and most of the rear of the car for it to fit inside the chassis... and there is no way that could have been done in under two weeks...

    Remember Red Bull and Toro Rosso are almost identical except for the engine mounts which had to be redesigned to fit a Ferrari engine in...

  • me18/11/2008 at 12:56

    here's the (translated) original story:

    http://tinyurl.com/perdrotof1fi

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 13:00

    It can’t be a Merc as you’d have to redesign the engine mountings and most of the rear of the car for it to fit inside the chassis… and there is no way that could have been done in under two weeks…

    This story says this is their last run with Ferrari's: http://www.f1technical.net/news/11085

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 13:03

    Not sure if this was mentioned before, but the Beamer boys weren't exactly shy about their new-look car.

    Klien: "For me it's the worst looking F1 car I've ever seen. It just doesn't look like it fits, with big wings and everything."

    Kub: "We all agree that it is not the best looking car, but fortunately from the inside it looks better than the outside."

    Hehe.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 13:03

    Christine: 18/11/2008 at 13:00

    It can’t be a Merc as you’d have to redesign the engine mountings and most of the rear of the car for it to fit inside the chassis… and there is no way that could have been done in under two weeks…

    This story says this is their last run with Ferrari’s: http://www.f1technical.net/news/11085

    There HAS to be a loophole there somewhere in that Force India-Ferrari contract. :)

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 13:04

    Kub: “We all agree that it is not the best looking car, but fortunately from the inside it looks better than the outside.”

    You know, where you can't see those ugly wings. Hehehe.

  • me18/11/2008 at 13:05

    couple of testing pics from today then. a closer look at the ferrari humps:

    danger, danger:

    vettel may be ruing his decision to switch teams already:

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 13:07

    Are they going to have to run those High Voltage signs ALL the time? Cos that really doesn't help the aesthetics.

  • me18/11/2008 at 13:08

    Are they going to have to run those High Voltage signs ALL the time? Cos that really doesn’t help the aesthetics.

    it's a legal thing isn't it? so, yup.

    i guess the only way they can be removed is if kers becomes mandatory. in which case it becomes implicit that the cars contain high voltage bits.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 13:09

    vettel may be ruing his decision to switch teams already:

    Caption: Ferrari man says: "Hey Seb, wanna switch to a WINNING team? I'm just right here..." :P

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 13:16

    AHAHAHA! Klien is on our side when it comes to looks!

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72176

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 13:21

    ah, just seen its already been mentioned. sorry :p

  • Scott18/11/2008 at 13:26

    Done deal according to F1-Live:

    F1Break beat GMM to this by a whole nine minutes, with additional quotes from El Mundo Deportivo. ;)

    http://www.f1break.com/2008/11/18/report-de-la-rosa-to-replace-fisichella

  • me18/11/2008 at 13:29

    ah, just seen its already been mentioned. sorry :p

    comment first, read later. i like it ;)

    F1Break beat GMM to this by a whole nine minutes, with additional quotes from El Mundo Deportivo.

    fantastic. i noticed you've been writing a bit more lately. keep up the good work scott.

    i shall delicious you this minute.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 13:32

    i shall delicious you this minute.

    I know you mean the website, but at first read, it looked so wrong. :P

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 13:32

    F1Break beat GMM to this by a whole nine minutes, with additional quotes from El Mundo Deportivo.

    Good job! Is it wrong to be happy about this news just because I like saying Pedalo?

  • me18/11/2008 at 13:39

    I know you mean the website, but at first read, it looked so wrong.

    ahh, ahem. yeah, i should have clarified that!

  • Scott18/11/2008 at 13:41

    fantastic. i noticed you’ve been writing a bit more lately. keep up the good work scott.

    i shall delicious you this minute.

    Cheers. It's good to know that people are reading. We're not getting many hits, although that's to be expected, as this is really the first time the site has been regularly updated.

    Good job! Is it wrong to be happy about this news just because I like saying Pedalo?

    Haha... is he set to become the new Dumbo-Flugel?

  • me18/11/2008 at 13:50

    We’re not getting many hits, although that’s to be expected, as this is really the first time the site has been regularly updated.

    well, you seem to be going the right way about getting more.

    if you're in need of more promotion though, have you tried, say, participating in a formula 1 panel show? ollie's the king of the free plug at the moment :)

  • Andy Taylor18/11/2008 at 13:51

    Are they going to have to run those High Voltage signs ALL the time? Cos that really doesn’t help the aesthetics.

    it’s a legal thing isn’t it? so, yup.

    i guess the only way they can be removed is if kers becomes mandatory. in which case it becomes implicit that the cars contain high voltage bits.

    Perhaps Ferrari are being sponsored by the HSE?

    I can understand the signs as not all cars have the same type of KERS installed.

  • me18/11/2008 at 13:52

    I can understand the signs as not all cars have the same type of KERS installed.

    ahh, of course. hadn't considered that.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 13:53

    Indeed. In fact, Schumi has praised Lewis on a regular basis, most recently in an interview with the BBC at Dubai. And when asked by F1 Racing if he’d have wanted to race against Lewis, he said it would be “very interesting”. So Schumi would almost definitely have wanted to race Lewis at Wembley.

    I seem to remember Heikki blowing Schumacher away at the ROC a few years ago. If he can't handle Heikki what chance would he have against Lewis.

  • Jordan Allen ( says "me" to partner Brundle now!)18/11/2008 at 13:55

    me said:

    Hmmm, As much as I would love Murray Walker to partner Martin Brundle. Maybe some fresh blood that can imitate Walker would be better. “me” has been known to do a few Murrayisms in his day, why not him?

    thus far the bbc haven’t met my demands.

    Please say it is over 160 million Canadian Dollars for 5 years as your trans-Atlantic fnas know of a good F1 race that could use a little investment.... :P .

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 13:55

    Ron doesn’t tend to interfere in driver’s off-season activities, so long as it doesn’t affect the development and rollout of next season’s car. It’s usually the race drivers’ “time off”, so they can do as they please, really.

    Yes but the off season is when the track is most likely to be wet. The next time he does it he has to have a probability f good weather which means he needs to find a gap during the season.

  • me18/11/2008 at 14:03

    Please say it is over 160 million Canadian Dollars for 5 years as your trans-Atlantic fnas know of a good F1 race that could use a little investment…

    :D

    it was at least double that... because i'm worth it (to quote schumi).

  • me18/11/2008 at 14:04

    Yes but the off season is when the track is most likely to be wet. The next time he does it he has to have a probability f good weather which means he needs to find a gap during the season.

    at wembley, he'd be guaranteed a dry track, but he's still only willing to go head-to-head with a pushbike.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 14:08

    Not sure if this was mentioned before, but the Beamer boys weren’t exactly shy about their new-look car.

    Nice to see F1 people calling a spade a spade and not a finely honed horticultural implement.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 14:10

    I seem to remember Heikki blowing Schumacher away at the ROC a few years ago. If he can’t handle Heikki what chance would he have against Lewis.

    But he soundly beat Button. And Jenson seems to be a better driver than Heikki. So Lewis-Schumi is a clean slate for me. :)

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 14:10

    Christine: 18/11/2008 at 13:07

    Are they going to have to run those High Voltage signs ALL the time? Cos that really doesn’t help the aesthetics.

    They will be a legal requirement i some countries. I assume the whole of the EC for starters

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 14:16

    Nice to see F1 people calling a spade a spade and not a finely honed horticultural implement.

    Now I'm thinking: maybe the Barca test car this week isn't anything near what we'll get next year. I'm surprised the PR people let the drivers speak their mind on this one; maybe it's because they'll get something much more nicer to look at next season?

  • me18/11/2008 at 14:20

    I’m surprised the PR people let the drivers speak their mind on this one; maybe it’s because they’ll get something much more nicer to look at next season?

    maybe bmw hate it too?

    it wasn't one of their people people working on the '09 regs after all.

    i notice the renault blog quite positive about the whole situation, presumably because they only have symonds to blame?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 14:22

    maybe bmw hate it too?

    Perhaps, but still, vocal criticism. For a team like BMW, who tried their hardest to keep the Kubica rift behind closed doors, that's a first.

  • Scott in Italy18/11/2008 at 14:33

    Good job! Is it wrong to be happy about this news just because I like saying Pedalo?

    F1 has never been the same for me since Montoya left. I loved saying his name like he was some sort of evil nemesis in a tv-series or something. Everytime he did something, I would wave my hand in the air and scream his name. Such a shame I don't watch him anymore....

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 14:36

    F1 has never been the same for me since Montoya left. I loved saying his name like he was some sort of evil nemesis in a tv-series or something. Everytime he did something, I would wave my hand in the air and scream his name. Such a shame I don’t watch him anymore….

    Montoya in a Chevy in NASCAR next year should be interesting. He'll probably be more competitive. :)

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 14:40

    Montoya in a Chevy in NASCAR next year should be interesting. He’ll probably be more competitive. :)

    One thing is for sure, there will be no need to give him any success ballast :-D

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 14:46

    Oh god, please tell me Bernie isn't seriously progressing on with this:

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72175

  • me18/11/2008 at 14:48

    Oh god, please tell me Bernie isn’t seriously progressing on with this

    the man is a plonker:

    "The whole point will be, when they get to Melbourne for the first race, the guys will want to leave there with a gold medal."

    "They don't want to leave with ten, eight or six points."

    isn't that why they give out trophies?

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 14:51

    I wonder if people in F1 would still be interested in Montoya if he could still be shoehorned into an F1 cockpit.

    Then again, maybe he might have problems gettting out of the cockpit within the time limit.

    Agree with Frank here. Montoya slowed the Williams-BMW down to much by having so many burgers... :D

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 14:56

    One thing is for sure, there will be no need to give him any success ballast

    Agree with Frank here. Montoya slowed the Williams-BMW down to much by having so many burgers…

    I'll have my success ballast in Big Mac form, thank you very much. :P

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 14:56

    I wonder if people in F1 would still be interested in Montoya if he could still be shoehorned into an F1 cockpit.

    You would need more lubricant on the cockpit sides than in the engine.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 14:57

    All this talk on Montoya is a bit of a shame, though; that's what we remember him for, not his audacious racing maneuvers and overtakes on Schumacher and co.? :)

  • me18/11/2008 at 14:59

    Then again, maybe he might have problems gettting out of the cockpit within the time limit.

    hey! he got out in time didn't he? just couldn't quite make it over the wall in time.

    christine, can we deduct points for anyone being mean to monty?

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:00

    All this talk on Montoya is a bit of a shame, though; that’s what we remember him for, not his audacious racing maneuvers and overtakes on Schumacher and co.?

    ahh, you might earn one back for that :)

    yes i do though. and given my previously stated position on schumi, you can imagine i remember them well.

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 15:00

    me said:

    Oh god, please tell me Bernie isn’t seriously progressing on with this

    the man is a plonker:

    “The whole point will be, when they get to Melbourne for the first race, the guys will want to leave there with a gold medal.”

    “They don’t want to leave with ten, eight or six points.”

    isn’t that why they give out trophies?

    Under Bernie's stupid system, what happens when you fall between 4th to 8th place? Do you get any points? And since you do not get any points, how is your end of season bonus worked out?

    What happens to the guys in 7th to 10th places at the end of the season, as under the proposed system maybe 6 drivers will get any medals? (Remember top ten drivers get bonus money at teh end of the season).

    All of this is way beyond stupid.

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:04

    Journeyer said:

    All this talk on Montoya is a bit of a shame, though; that’s what we remember him for, not his audacious racing maneuvers and overtakes on Schumacher and co.? :)

    True, but we also remember him for his whinging, his blame on the team or the tyres if he didn't win, his outbursts, his rash moves and his lack of pace at McLaren (both of which certainly didn't help Kimi Raikkonen in 2005...)

    Montoya had the potential and had flashes of brilliance, but he wasn't consistent enough to be considered a 'great' driver.

  • sam18/11/2008 at 15:09

    that BMW is a monstrosity (cleaner looking cars my butt). working within the formula is fine by me, but making it this limited!!!!when GP2 has a more advanced aero package than F1 how can i call it the "pinnacle" of motorsport? and weren't lap times of last year extremely close?

    and standard parts? one of the things that i like about F1 is its complexity...."the car that can be driven upside down" that was something to say to your friends if they start to babble on and on about soccor "5Gs on the driver's neck"...things like that, you know. i just don't feel good about where it is going....hehe, after a couple of years the GP2 car will be faster than an F1 car!!!!

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 15:09

    Montoya had the potential and had flashes of brilliance, but he wasn’t consistent enough to be considered a ‘great’ driver.

    True. Considering that he was the only 1 of the big 3 rookies of 2001 (Alonso, Raikkonen, Montoya) not to win a title. And to think we thought back then that he'd probably be the first one of the 3 to become champion.

    ahh, you might earn one back for that

    Earn one point back? Cool! :D

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 15:10

    me said:

    Then again, maybe he might have problems gettting out of the cockpit within the time limit.

    hey! he got out in time didn’t he? just couldn’t quite make it over the wall in time.

    My point exactly! He was not exactly super lean and fit back in his F1 days.... In NASCAR, you could fit Montoya in the car and have room for an Adult Panada as a passenger. (And the weight would be balanced side to side too!)

    Now, can you imagine Montoya getting back into teh level of leanness needed to get back into F1? He would make more millions as a spokeperson for Weight Watchers if he pulled it off!

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:16

    True. Considering that he was the only 1 of the big 3 rookies of 2001 (Alonso, Raikkonen, Montoya) not to win a title. And to think we thought back then that he’d probably be the first one of the 3 to become champion.

    He should have been the first considering he was in the BMW Williams, which by 2003 was a very strong car. But then again, Raikkonen could have won it in 2003 but couldn't handle the pressure by the end...

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 15:24

    RubberGoat (Gavin Brown) said:

    True. Considering that he was the only 1 of the big 3 rookies of 2001 (Alonso, Raikkonen, Montoya) not to win a title. And to think we thought back then that he’d probably be the first one of the 3 to become champion.

    He should have been the first considering he was in the BMW Williams, which by 2003 was a very strong car. But then again, Raikkonen could have won it in 2003 but couldn’t handle the pressure by the end…

    Well, the 2003 Williams-BMW needed to be a very strong car due to the extra loads the chassis had to carry. If I recall correctly, Montoya had his best results at High Downforce circuits and yet if you look closely at the wings, they where clearity set to a minimium downforce/drag setting....

    One could only conclude that Monotya bought along his own high downforce in his stomach....

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:24

    .hehe, after a couple of years the GP2 car will be faster than an F1 car!!!!

    and an A1GP car, and the thing they use in the premiere league whats-it-called.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 15:26

    that BMW is a monstrosity (cleaner looking cars my butt). working within the formula is fine by me, but making it this limited!!!!when GP2 has a more advanced aero package than F1 how can i call it the “pinnacle” of motorsport? and weren’t lap times of last year extremely close? and standard parts? one of the things that i like about F1 is its complexity….”the car that can be driven upside down” that was something to say to your friends if they start to babble on and on about soccor “5Gs on the driver’s neck”…things like that, you know. i just don’t feel good about where it is going….hehe, after a couple of years the GP2 car will be faster than an F1 car!!!!

    An F3 car generates enough downforce to drive it upside down. So we are a long way from losing that line. Personally I think cars that do 5g laterally are just stupid. To use a line I have used fo years driving should be about finesse not fitness. Surely what matters is how good the racing is. For many years now the FIA have been working to slow down F1 and I keep hearing the same stuff. At no point has F1 been slower than GP2/F3000/F2 yet when turbos were banned or ground effect was banned or slicks were banned we always get the dame line. F1 will always be faster than GP2 but you have to have cars that can race and you have to have cars that humans can drive.

    We have all the stories about how the heavier drivers are penalised with the introduction of KERS. Similarly smaller drivers have been discriminated against because people were worried about thei bodies handling the physical loads. Allan McNish is and always was an awesome driver but McLaren and others refused to give him a break in F1 because they didn't think his small frame could handle the g force. In his subsequent sportscar career he has proved that was rubbish but because we had cars capable of ridiculous performance we were robbed of seeing one ofthe greatest talents of his generation in F1 until he was in his 30s. Can someone tell me why that is a better thing than cars downforce being limited?

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:29

    and an A1GP car, and the thing they use in the premiere league whats-it-called.

    Superleague Formula. Does anyone watch it? It sounded cool with old ChampCar chassis and V12 Zytek engines, but it doesn't sound like the racing has been very exciting...

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:32

    Can someone tell me why that is a better thing than cars downforce being limited?

    I don't think anyone is against less downforce and slick tyres. What we are all against is ugly cars with wings clearly designed to keep a decent 'billboard' size for sponsors, rather than the stated goal of reducing downforce and drag.

    How is a tall and stubby rear wing going to reduce drag anyway? It looks like a sail in the wind!

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:33

    Superleague Formula. Does anyone watch it?

    never.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 15:36

    I have been moderated. Victimisation I say. But at least this time I can figure out why.

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:36

    me said:

    Superleague Formula. Does anyone watch it?

    never.

    Do you watch GP2 or A1GP? I am quite a fan of both, just because the racing is good...

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:37

    Steven Roy said:

    I have been moderated. Victimisation I say. But at least this time I can figure out why.

    That's because we don't need any 'little blue pills' here :-D

  • Dr.J18/11/2008 at 15:41

    F1 has never been the same for me since Montoya left. I loved saying his name like he was some sort of evil nemesis in a tv-series or something

    James Allen: And look at Montoya! They call him "The Monster". Well, some people do. OK, only I do. But still - he's the only man who can take on Schumacher!

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 15:42

    November 18th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    Steven Roy said:

    I have been moderated. Victimisation I say. But at least this time I can figure out why.

    Why is management biased against my driver?

    Jordan Allen

    Car #27 Race Engineer

    Sidepodcast Panda Racing

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:44

    I have been moderated. Victimisation I say. But at least this time I can figure out why.

    and you'll very much stay moderated with that link!

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:45

    and you’ll very much stay moderated with that link!

    Oooh Naughty boy!

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 15:46

    Dr.J said:

    F1 has never been the same for me since Montoya left. I loved saying his name like he was some sort of evil nemesis in a tv-series or something

    James Allen: And look at Montoya! They call him “The Monster”. Well, some people do. OK, only I do. But still - he’s the only man who can take on Schumacher!

    Along with:

    Jean Alesi (slick tyres on wet track)

    Eddie Irvine

    Mika Hakkinen

    Jacques Villeneuve

    Fernanado Alonso

    Kimi Rakkionen

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:46

    Do you watch GP2 or A1GP? I am quite a fan of both, just because the racing is good…

    christine almost started watching a1gp, and if she did i would probably have some idea about what was going on. but i watched the first season and thought the concept needed more work - and haven't been back since.

    i saw some gp2 this year, but the drivers are hopeless and i don't have a whole heap of spare time.

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:47

    Why is management biased against my driver?

    Jordan Allen

    Car #27 Race Engineer

    Sidepodcast Panda Racing

    because he's a very naughty boy.

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:48

    i saw some gp2 this year, but the drivers are hopeless and i don’t have a whole heap of spare time.

    Except for Lucas Di Grassi of course :-D

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:49

    Except for Lucas Di Grassi of course

    damn... yes!!

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 15:49

    because he’s a very naughty boy.

    that makes me VERY curious. :P

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:50

    christine almost started watching a1gp, and if she i would probably have some idea about what was going on. but i watched the first season and thought the concept needed more work - and haven’t been back since.

    That's a shame - I went to the NZ round and I try and watch the races where possible. True, it needs a bit of work but considering the format is quite new it has a lot of potential.

    Ferrari wouldn't have signed up to build the cars if they didn't see a future in it :-)

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 15:50

    damn… yes!!

    I think we already came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter how he drives.

  • me18/11/2008 at 15:51

    That’s a shame - I went to the NZ round and I try and watch the races where possible. True, it needs a bit of work but considering the format is quite new it has a lot of potential.

    it does, but i've no interest in following countries. and the drivers never seem to stick around for a whole season.

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 15:51

    me said:

    Why is management biased against my driver?

    Jordan Allen

    Car #27 Race Engineer

    Sidepodcast Panda Racing

    because he’s a very naughty boy.

    Tell Scott to hold station and Steven would not have to chop his nose then....

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:52

    Going back to GP2 though, did anyone else get a shiver up their spine when they saw a picture of Bruno Senna in the Honda F1 car? Man, he really looks like his uncle!

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:53

    it does, but i’ve no interest in following countries. and the drivers never seem to stick around for a whole season.

    The thing that annoys me is that they change drivers during the season too - which makes things really inconsistent!

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 15:54

    Final times for today's test:

    1. Vettel 1:19.7512. Sato 1:20.0173. Bourdais 1:20.0344. Buemi 1:20.2235. Paffett 1:21.3406. Kubica 1:21.5217. Rosberg 1:21.6258. Button 1:21.7709. Sutil 1:22.07310. Piquet 1:22.37711. Di Grassi 1:22.38812. Badoer 1:22.42513. Gene 1:22.77214. Heidfeld 1:23.08015. Van der Garde 1:23.25016. De la Rosa 1:23.499

    Red Bull 1-2-3-4. Curiously, in the STR shootout, Sato barely beat Bourdais, and both were significantly ahead of Buemi. But will that change STR mgmt's decision, or did they already decide to get Buemi regardless of today's results?

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 15:56

    and you’ll very much stay moderated with that link!

    It is a perfectly decent site.

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 15:59

    Red Bull 1-2-3-4. Curiously, in the STR shootout, Sato barely beat Bourdais, and both were significantly ahead of Buemi. But will that change STR mgmt’s decision, or did they already decide to get Buemi regardless of today’s results?

    What's so good about Buemi anyway? Is he a Red Bull driver because that's the only way he'll get the drive over Sato (who would also get the drive only to promote the Red Bull brand in the Japanese market)

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 15:59

    Final times for today’s test:

    Oops, turns out they're not final yet. Will post the final times once they come up - in 10 minutes or so.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:01

    What’s so good about Buemi anyway? Is he a Red Bull driver because that’s the only way he’ll get the drive over Sato (who would also get the drive only to promote the Red Bull brand in the Japanese market)

    Yes, Buemi is a Red Bull-sponsored driver. He has been ever since he stepped into single-seaters, I think. Not sure on that count, though.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 16:23

    Pedalo doesn't look particularly happy about this whole testing malarky:

  • me18/11/2008 at 16:24

    Pedalo doesn’t look particularly happy about this whole testing malarky:

    he looks old.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 16:25

    Pedalo doesn’t look particularly happy about this whole testing malarky:

    I guess the FIF1 was not as good as he expected

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:25

    the REAL final times for today's test:

    1. Vettel 1:19.751 (68 laps) 2. Sato 1:20.017 (79 laps) 3. Bourdais 1:20.034 (48 laps) 4. Buemi 1:20.223 (99 laps) 5. Paffett 1:21.340 (31 laps) 6. Kubica 1:21.521 (76 laps) 7. Rosberg 1:21.525 (111 laps) 8. Button 1:21.770 (109 laps) 9. Sutil 1:22.073 (57 laps) 10. Di Grassi 1:22.283 (108 laps) 10. Piquet 1:22.348 (83 laps) 12. Badoer 1:22.425 (125 laps) 13. Gene 1:22.772 (31 laps) 14. Heidfeld 1:22.945 (79 laps) 15. Van der Garde 1:23.250 (37 laps) 16. De la Rosa 1:23.499 (86 laps)

    The STR conundrum still applies, but now it's more pronounced: Bourdais is 2 tenths up on Buemi despite Bourdais only spending half as much time on the track. Does that harm Buemi's chances any, or was his seat already a lock even before the test?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:26

    I guess the FIF1 was not as good as he expected

    Being dead last by almost a quarter of a second after running 86 laps was probably not what he expected.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 16:27

    Lucas Di Grassi only half a second behind Button. Do we know if they were running similar cars.

  • me18/11/2008 at 16:28

    Being dead last by almost a quarter of a second after running 86 laps was probably not what he expected.

    :D

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:33

    Whoops. That's a whole lotta spammy text there. Just delete it, me. Sorry for that. :)

    Video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtqTj1IblzI

  • me18/11/2008 at 16:35

    Whoops. That’s a whole lotta spammy text there. Just delete it, me. Sorry for that. Video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtqTj1IblzI

    haha :)

    now you're asking a lot for wordpress to let you embed videos as well.

  • R.G (For the record, I like the 2009 cars)18/11/2008 at 16:36

    AHAHAHA! Klien is on our side when it comes to looks! http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72176

    Drop him. Drop him!

    Gonna be tough choice for Toro Rosso by the looks of it. By the way Sato's been driving, it's looking good for him. Might be between Bourdais and Buemi.

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:38

    Gonna be tough choice for Toro Rosso by the looks of it. By the way Sato’s been driving, it’s looking good for him. Might be between Bourdais and Buemi.

    My concern is... why does Bourdais only get 2 days, while Buemi gets 3? Isn't that a bit unfair to Bourdais?

  • R.G (For the record, I like the 2009 cars)18/11/2008 at 16:39

    My concern is… why does Bourdais only get 2 days, while Buemi gets 3? Isn’t that a bit unfair to Bourdais?

    To be fair, Bourdias has had an entire year in F1.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 16:40

    My concern is… why does Bourdais only get 2 days, while Buemi gets 3? Isn’t that a bit unfair to Bourdais?

    Absolutely!

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 16:41

    Whoops. That’s a whole lotta spammy text there. Just delete it, me. Sorry for that. Video link is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtqTj1IblzI

    That guy, yossidlr, is a really great cameraman. Last year, he took his TV camera to most of the pre-season tests and filmed some great stuff. It's all on his YouTube account, top quality footage. I hope he does the same in this off-season. :)

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:43

    To be fair, Bourdias has had an entire year in F1.

    True, but how do you compare that to Buemi? It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

    Absolutely!

    Do I get an extra point then? :P

    That guy, yossidlr, is a really great cameraman. Last year, he took his TV camera to most of the pre-season tests and filmed some great stuff. It’s all on his YouTube account, top quality footage. I hope he does the same in this off-season.

    Wait... Did he really film those? Seriously? :O I thought he just had good contacts and got the film from them. If he DID film those... WOW, that's AMAZINGly good.

  • R.G (For the record, I like the 2009 cars)18/11/2008 at 16:46

    True, but how do you compare that to Buemi? It has to be an apples-to-apples comparison.

    So your saying Buemi should have had a year in an F1 car then?

    In that case, if Buemi has only had 2 days in an F1 car, he should replace Bourdias if he's getting fourth.

  • me18/11/2008 at 16:49

    That guy, yossidlr, is a really great cameraman. Last year, he took his TV camera to most of the pre-season tests and filmed some great stuff. I

    woooooah there. are you sure??

    Wait… Did he really film those? Seriously?

    i'm think no. there's a whole film crew behind those, he's just taping them off the news isn't he?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:50

    In that case, if Buemi has only had 2 days in an F1 car, he should replace Bourdias if he’s getting fourth.

    Going by the same argument, if Bourdais with just 1 year's experience is as good as dead-even with Sato, then Bourdais should get a seat along with Buemi, not Sato.

    And I don't think that makes sense. You have to make a fair comparison of how they handle the cars within a similar structure. I'm not saying Buemi needs a year in an F1 car, but Bourdais needs to have 3 days just like Buemi.

    i’m think no. there’s a whole film crew behind those, he’s just taping them off the news isn’t he?

    If you look at his other vids, those are RAW footage, not just ripped from the news. but methinks he's not the sole guy filming them, more like part of a film crew as you mentioned.

  • R.G (For the record, I like the 2009 cars)18/11/2008 at 16:52

    And I don’t think that makes sense. You have to make a fair comparison of how they handle the cars within a similar structure. I’m not saying Buemi needs a year in an F1 car, but Bourdais needs to have 3 days just like Buemi.

    But Bourdais has the experience, why would he need 3 days in a Formula 1 car? Buemi really hasn't driven one before.

    To be fair, Buemi in his second day is 0.2 down to Bourdais who has been driving since last year.

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 16:53

    What gets me is why McLaren don't give people like di Resta and Paffett more and better opportunities. In fact most of our homegrown talent is going to waste thesedays. Davidson lucked out badly in the Super Aguri situation, while Paffett, di Resta and also Mike Conway aren't getting their chances to prove their real skills. Why? Because they're stuck in testing roles. Right now we only have two British drivers on the grid, and currently only 1 that can win races regularly and is now a World Champion. Button is skilled, no doubt, but he just needs a better car.

    You know Red Bull did that young driver thing to find a new American superstar driver? Why don't they do that here in this country? Seeing Paffett and di Resta in F1 would please me no end, and both have proven they can run at the front in motorsport. Paffett is a DTM champion and di Resta started out in a 2 year old car last year and was still able to kick the new car's butts on occasions. Stick them in an F1 car, and they could be up there. Paffett at least, he's been a Macca test driver all season.

    It kind of saddens me to think that we have so many great and talented British drivers in the lower levels of motorsport and also in other areas of it, and they're just not getting the chance to show it off. I'm thinking it's all down to money. It always is in motorsport.

  • me18/11/2008 at 16:53

    If you look at his other vids, those are RAW footage, not just ripped from the news. but methinks he’s not the sole guy filming them, more like part of a film crew as you mentioned.

    which ones? i tried this random one:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4cTrmABrpJM

    and it has the sky news guy interviewing fissi?

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 16:56

    which ones? i tried this random one:

    Try this on for size:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRw-smeJpbc

  • R.G (For the record, I like the 2009 cars)18/11/2008 at 16:58

    @Scotty (not gonna quote ya) - Davidson, I think, is overrated. He's scored 0 points in 23 races. Highest finish of 11th, didn't finish when he filled in at BAR.

    Di Resta I like, but the last person who shared my birthday in Formula 1 also thought it was a good idea to take the fuel hose with him, yes, I'm talking Albers here. Maybe its bad luck to share my birthday in F1, I do not know. But would like to see him tried out maybe at the Forces to replace Fisi or Sooty.

    Paffett, heard him for a while, never see him.

    But I agree with you on a whole that we need some new British talents, no doubt there is some, but like Bernie, there going away from where they should be looking.

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 16:59

    the REAL final times for today’s test

    This is looking bad for Le Seb. Buemi is looking good for a seat next year, regardless of his testing results and Sato has been on top for two days. I have a feeling STR will be making a very bad decision in the next few weeks...

  • me18/11/2008 at 17:00

    Try this on for size:

    right. so he doesn't go to all the tests, just the spanish ones?

    my guess is he's the visual editor for sky sports in spain or something. there's no way that's one man and his camera. you can see the sound guy's shadow following him around in some shots.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 17:00

    You know Red Bull did that young driver thing to find a new American superstar driver? Why don’t they do that here in this country? Seeing Paffett and di Resta in F1 would please me no end, and both have proven they can run at the front in motorsport. Paffett is a DTM champion and di Resta started out in a 2 year old car last year and was still able to kick the new car’s butts on occasions. Stick them in an F1 car, and they could be up there. Paffett at least, he’s been a Macca test driver all season.

    I don't see Paffett ever racing in F1 but Paul di Resta will get a chance.

    There are a lot of good drivers of many nationalities who never get a break. There are only 20 slots available and we have less turnover of drivers than ever coupled with long careers so there are going to be more and more drivers who nver get a chance.

    Red Bull did American drivers to get access to a huge market. There is not the same justification for a British program.

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 17:02

    Oh god, please tell me Bernie isn’t seriously progressing on with this

    "Everybody is happy with the idea, they are all very supportive. I'm absolutely 100 percent sure it's the right way to go, it'll get them (the drivers) overtaking."

    That man is insane!

  • Journeyer18/11/2008 at 17:03

    right. so he doesn’t go to all the tests, just the spanish ones?

    looks like. his username DOES end with DLR, after all. :)

    my guess is he’s the visual editor for sky sports in spain or something. there’s no way that’s one man and his camera. you can see the sound guy’s shadow following him around in some shots.

    As I said, part of a team. :)

    I don’t see Paffett ever racing in F1 but Paul di Resta will get a chance.

    PDR, not PDLR! That should be a slogan. :P

    Red Bull did American drivers to get access to a huge market. There is not the same justification for a British program.

    Isn't this one of the aims of Go Motorsport, to find young British driving talent? There are other goals, yes, but that's one of them.

  • R.G (For the record, I like the 2009 cars)18/11/2008 at 17:05

    Dom: 18/11/2008 at 17:02

    Oh god, please tell me Bernie isn’t seriously progressing on with this

    “Everybody is happy with the idea, they are all very supportive. I’m absolutely 100 percent sure it’s the right way to go, it’ll get them (the drivers) overtaking.”

    That man is insane!

    You've only just realised, this is the guy who:

    Kicked Canada off

    Kicked Silverstone off for Donnington on the races 60th anniversary

    Wouldn't allow other options for the 2005 USGP

    And thats the start of it.

    PDR, not PDLR! That should be a slogan.

    PDLR sounds like a racing team.

  • me18/11/2008 at 17:06

    PDR, not PDLR! That should be a slogan.

    :D

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 17:09

    Kicked Canada off Kicked Silverstone off for Donnington on the races 60th anniversary Wouldn’t allow other options for the 2005 USGP

    Yeah, I guess we knew that already, although I blame Max for Indygate.

    Surely these people are just trying to be nice when they say it's a good idea?

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 17:10

    PDLR sounds like a racing team.

    Not enough letters. :P

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 17:10

    Isn’t this one of the aims of Go Motorsport, to find young British driving talent? There are other goals, yes, but that’s one of them.

    There have been all sorts of schemes to help young British drivers over the years from the Grovewood awards which became the McLaren thing to Racing for Britain which helped Martin Brundle amongst others. Nowadays though the problem is lack of F1 seats. In the 80s there were 34 or 36 F1 drives available each season and some of them would have 3 different drivers in a season. Given the higher level of risk drivers tended not to hang around for 15 years. Add in the relative fragility of the cars and the injuries that resulted and every season there would be 10 or 12 new drivers in F1. This season we have finished with the same drivers that started the season and next season looks like starting with more or less the same line up. That equates to 20 young drivers not getting a chance.

  • R.G (For the record, I like the 2009 cars)18/11/2008 at 17:13

    Yeah, I guess we knew that already, although I blame Max for Indygate.

    I remember seeing Bernie whilst waiting for the race. And never liked the look of him.

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 17:14

    I’ve mentioned this before, that given all the practice they’ve had, they better make a very good FIA Gala video.

    I'm really looking forward to this years. When are they not very, very good? :)

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 17:16

    OOOH! I just got an e-mail through from the F1 Racing Readers' Panel, and this time they want questions for Ron Dennis! :D

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 17:16

    I remember seeing Bernie whilst waiting for the race. And never liked the look of him.

    I remember him arguing in that glass office where everyone could see him. I think he was just putting it on for added-drama. :)

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 17:16

    Very good point Steven. Whilst it would be nice for their to be a lot more drivers, I think its nice to know that F1 has found the finest drivers in the world (and at a push, Piquet) and they don't need to change them until they retire or get bored with F1.

    Would be nice if there were to be another team still.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 17:17

    OOOH! I just got an e-mail through from the F1 Racing Readers’ Panel, and this time they want questions for Ron Dennis!

    Wow. Where do we start?

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 17:18

    OOOH! I just got an e-mail through from the F1 Racing Readers’ Panel, and this time they want questions for Ron Dennis!

    Same here, though I was hoping it was an e-mail for something else.

    I remember him arguing in that glass office where everyone could see him. I think he was just putting it on for added-drama.

    Yeah, that was the thing I was thinking of. Of course I was 11 at the time, watched F1 sparodically so didn't know what was happening.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 17:23

    OOOH! I just got an e-mail through from the F1 Racing Readers’ Panel, and this time they want questions for Ron Dennis!

    I got an e-mail asking if I wanted to join that. I forgot all about it because it is on my dead computer.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 17:24

    I was bored, and as you do when you are bored is go on wikipedia.

    Thus, found the most optimistic name of a team ever

    Sadly, they should have been called LAST.

    I would post a link, but our good friends at Antivisgnrjti have marked this as spam.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 17:24

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRST_(constructor)

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 17:25

    While we're on the subject, one of Martin's best moments at ITV was his interview with Bernie before the race. Shows just how much ITV needed him. He's the only guy who says what we're all thinking.

  • Scott Woodwiss (Is 18 XD)18/11/2008 at 17:26

    R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato): 18/11/2008 at 17:24

    I was bored, and as you do when you are bored is go on wikipedia.

    Thus, found the most optimistic name of a team ever

    Sadly, they should have been called LAST.

    I would post a link, but our good friends at Antivisgnrjti have marked this as spam.

    That would be the FIRST team yes? ;)

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 17:29

    That would be the FIRST team yes?

    Yes, the big clue would have been the name in the link, but the Aksiminto doesn't like me.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 17:36

    Yes, the big clue would have been the name in the link, but the Aksiminto doesn’t like me.

    Have pulled the comment out. I can only assume that trying to same link over and over again doesn't help, as that's exactly what a spammer can do.

    But who are we to try and understand the workings of Akismet?

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 17:51

    sidepodspace

    The first of four space walks planned for the current shuttle mission is about to start. It is schedule to last for about 6 hours.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 17:54

    The first of four space walks planned for the current shuttle mission is about to start. It is schedule to last for about 6 hours.

    Cheers for the heads up

  • Scott in Italy (eating chips)18/11/2008 at 18:06

    The first of four space walks planned for the current shuttle mission is about to start. It is schedule to last for about 6 hours.

    At least this thing has a design that does not get complaints :) how bout those racecars....

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 18:11

    I think the wiki hates me. I made a whole load of mods and when I saved it told me I the password was out of date and told me to return to my profile. So it knew who I was. I made a minor change to my profile without it asking for a password then returned and made a few changes to the page that I had the original problem with and it worked fine.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 18:13

    I think the wiki hates me. I made a whole load of mods and when I saved it told me I the password was out of date and told me to return to my profile. So it knew who I was. I made a minor change to my profile without it asking for a password then returned and made a few changes to the page that I had the original problem with and it worked fine.

    I think maybe the whole internet is having an off day.

  • RubberGoat (Gavin Brown)18/11/2008 at 18:14

    Steven Roy said:

    I think the wiki hates me. I made a whole load of mods and when I saved it told me I the password was out of date and told me to return to my profile. So it knew who I was. I made a minor change to my profile without it asking for a password then returned and made a few changes to the page that I had the original problem with and it worked fine.

    So... your posts are blocked from appearing and you can't update the wiki - are you getting the hint yet? :-)

  • me18/11/2008 at 18:28

    So… your posts are blocked from appearing and you can’t update the wiki - are you getting the hint yet?

    :D

    :D

  • Scott in Italy (eating chips)18/11/2008 at 18:37

    While we’re on the subject, one of Martin’s best moments at ITV was his interview with Bernie before the race. Shows just how much ITV needed him. He’s the only guy who says what we’re all thinking.

    The video that Dom found is the Indy 2005 race and you just see Martin really getting frustrated - and to his credit - he just doesn't let Bernie get away like he sometimes does. He holds him down (metaphorically) and just keeps on asking him questions.

    I personally think they should have had two races - one for each tyre manufacturer. hey why not? it would have been less of a farce than what happened. As for Ferrari (if i remember the saga correctly) Why would they permit a change to the track to make it better for the competitors? I like picking on Ferrari too, but it was like asking them "would you mind not racing so fast so others can keep up with you?"

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 19:07

    I personally think they should have had two races - one for each tyre manufacturer. hey why not? it would have been less of a farce than what happened. As for Ferrari (if i remember the saga correctly) Why would they permit a change to the track to make it better for the competitors? I like picking on Ferrari too, but it was like asking them “would you mind not racing so fast so others can keep up with you?”

    I was reading through comments on I think the 5th part of that. And a guy points out very well that James Allen says that why should Ferrari agree to Michelin's demands when they didn't agree to changes for the Spanish GP where Schumacher had to withdraw with Bridgestone problems.

  • me18/11/2008 at 19:13

    R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)

    whatta guy!

  • lou18/11/2008 at 19:17

    Warning, this comment is long ;)

    On face value it doesn’t look that particularly entertaining either? I might be wrong, but why do they hold it at Wembley and not at say Brands Hatch on the Indy Circuit? There you would get a decent view regardless of where you stand and have a half decent (proper) race going on, not two cars on two separate tracks similar to a Scalextric set.

    I think the point is it's really different having it in a Stadium, and it allows the fans to a) see all of the race live without having to look at screen etc. for all but 1 or 2 of the corners, and b) it allows the fans to get closer to the action than they normally would be able to. I'm going this year, so I'll be able to tell you what i thought of the atmosphere etc.. I watched it at home last year and thought it was great. With Lewis being there it should attract more people now, and I'm guessing it's gonna be pretty full. The tickets are much cheaper than they were last year (or so i have been told). Am just hoping our seats aren't too high up ;)

    lewis will be at the RoC, but he’s not allowed to take on any other driver in equal machinery?

    just a man on a bike?

    haha ah well... i suppose he will draw some fans to the show, which is probably all the organisers are asking for. Lewis and Schumi have plenty of time to go up against each other ;) it is pretty pathetic though.

    Also, remember that story on the TG blog this time last year that Lewis wanted to come back and have a 2nd go at the Stig’s record (since he fell short first time out thanks to a damp track)? Whatever came out of that? Did TG say no, or did Lewis change his mind?

    I could be wrong but wasn't the blog post about what he had said on the show (i'm sure he mentioned something about coming back to beat the stig), it could be a case of - what you say in the spare of the moment might not necessarily happen, or be what you want to do. He may have said 'i'll come back and beat the stig's record' but he may not have really meant it.

    Ron doesn’t tend to interfere in driver’s off-season activities, so long as it doesn’t affect the development and rollout of next season’s car. It’s usually the race drivers’ “time off”, so they can do as they please, really.

    I'm sure i read somewhere that Ron doesn't like his drivers doing certain things in the off season, racing wise... i thought that was why he couldn't take part in the race of champions... although this could be something i have somehow imagined.

    i heard (maybe for last year’s roc?) that the organisers blamed ron for not letting their drivers be part of RoC.

    ah ok, i didn't imagine it then. that's good to know.

  • Dank18/11/2008 at 19:19

    i saw some gp2 this year, but the drivers are hopeless and i don’t have a whole heap of spare time.

    GP2 is better than F1! No really, give it a go again next season (none of this GP2 Asia series business). The races are often better than their F1 counterparts. More entertaining at least.

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 19:32

    GP2 is better than F1! No really, give it a go again next season (none of this GP2 Asia series business). The races are often better than their F1 counterparts. More entertaining at least.

    I do enjoy watching the GP2 races. Annoyingly, I always seem to forget when they're on and end up missing part of the race.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 19:40

    I do enjoy watching the GP2 races. Annoyingly, I always seem to forget when they’re on and end up missing part of the race.

    In terms of excitement, yes. In terms of quality, no.

    It's like watching non-league football, its better than proffesional football, but everyone is rubbish.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 19:52

    Are they going to have to run those High Voltage signs ALL the time? Cos that really doesn’t help the aesthetics.

    I don't really notice them that much, It's it's yellow just like the shell logo, and Ferrari badge.

    Oh god, please tell me Bernie isn’t seriously progressing on with this

    I seriously hope he actually stops and thinks, and realises just what a stupid decision this is. surely this is just gonna make the drivers championship made up of a 2 driver battle, we wont see the 3 or 4 driver battle (Lewis, Kimi, Massa, Kubica) really.. cause it would mean that drivers like Kubica that were consistent through most of the season would not be rewarded for it. Do you think Bernie is just board, and trying to come up with other ways to annoy the fans.

    Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!

    :D

    Pedalo doesn’t look particularly happy about this whole testing malarky:

    Either that or he has seen that the telegraph didn't know who he was in a photograph they used for one of their articles. The caption underneath was something like 'Lewis Hamilton talks to one of his engineers' I don't think i would be very happy about that if i was the test driver.

    Lucas Di Grassi only half a second behind Button. Do we know if they were running similar cars.

    By the looks of it Di Grassi was in the RA108 (as it was at the beginning of the year -no twisted rear wing or dumbo-flugels) but Button was in the RA108 with '09 wings.

    wow you guys have had a busy day commenting today.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 19:59

    I don’t really notice them that much, It’s it’s yellow just like the shell logo, and Ferrari badge.

    Might work on the Ferrari, but I can't imagine it'd look good on the Honda, or Williams.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 20:00

    Might work on the Ferrari, but I can’t imagine it’d look good on the Honda, or Williams.

    ah i thought you meant on the Ferrari. yeah it's not gonna look pretty on the other cars.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 20:01

    Might work on the Ferrari, but I can’t imagine it’d look good on the Honda, or Williams.

    It be funny if they had the warning system over Japan or something.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 20:04

    It be funny if they had the warning system over Japan or something

    that's a point, i wonder what their livery will be like for '09 :) i'm hoping similar to the '08 one, i like that one :)

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 20:06

    November 18th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRST_(constructor)

    Little slow on the draw here R.G. I remember when me was getting a little annoyed with people typing in "First" if they where the first person to blog on a topic here, and 'me" started deleted those comments, but he did not stop people from typing comments like "Go whatever person or team here"

    So I typed: "Go FIRST F1!" to get around the the censor....

  • Scott in Italy (eating chips)18/11/2008 at 20:07

    I've been flicking around some vids of f1 races (incl crashes) on youtube and i am so happy that safety has improved so much. After seeing a crash or two, I am now in favour of run off areas on the outside of corners. While this avoids smashing the cars into tiny pieces, I still wish that a car could be disabled in some way so that the driver is really punished for running wide without risking of death. I'd forgotten why these run-off areas were created in the first place- Survival.

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 20:09

    that’s a point, i wonder what their livery will be like for ‘09 i’m hoping similar to the ‘08 one, i like that one

    I'm sure they can make an improvement.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 20:10

    that’s a point, i wonder what their livery will be like for ‘09 i’m hoping simialr to the ‘08 one, i like that one

    I really don't get how people like that one, its ugly.

    So I typed: “Go FIRST F1!” to get around the the censor….

    And how long ago was this?

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 20:12

    I’d forgotten why these run-off areas were created in the first place- Survival.

    Think about it this way: If it weren't for those run-off areas, we may still be stuck with traction control.

    I still think Fuji is silly though. ;)

  • Scott in Italy (who at too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 20:13

    I don’t really notice them that much, It’s it’s yellow just like the shell logo, and Ferrari badge.

    Just paint the whole car with warning signs all over it. They should have done that with DCs livery.

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 20:14

    I really don’t get how people like that one, its ugly.

    So I typed: “Go FIRST F1!” to get around the the censor….

    And how long ago was this?

    Well, I honestly can not tell you specificially when, but I think the Live Comment Live thing has just started, so there was a bit of a rush to be the first person to make a quote.

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:14

    Little slow on the draw here R.G. I remember when me was getting a little annoyed with people typing in “First” if they where the first person to blog on a topic here, and ‘me” started deleted those comments, but he did not stop people from typing comments like “Go whatever person or team here”

    dude, i've never deleted any comment saying "first"?

    i once threatened to run the writer over in my car, but i haven't removed anyone for doing so.

    So I typed: “Go FIRST F1!” to get around the the censor….

    And how long ago was this?

    i have no recollection of that?

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 20:15

    I really don’t get how people like that one, its ugly.

    At least it's different.

    -looks at Toyota and shakes head-

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:16

    At least it’s different.

    -looks at Toyota and shakes head-

    anyone wanna take a bet on toyota's livery next year?

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 20:18

    Well, I honestly can not tell you specificially when, but I think the Live Comment Live thing has just started, so there was a bit of a rush to be the first person to make a quote.

    I was on holiday then, so proberly didn't realise.

    At least it’s different.

    different, but ugly

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 20:19

    anyone wanna take a bet on toyota’s livery next year?

    Blue with black and pink and oragne and purple?

    Or red and white.

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 20:22

    me said:

    dude, i’ve never deleted any comment saying “first”?

    me, I am quite sure you deleted the first post if it said "First". Whyelse would I had to resort to such trickey of cheering for a team that's been dead for almost 30 years?

    i once threatened to run the writer over in my car, but i haven’t removed anyone for doing so.

    See, me by deleting the offending quote, you have elimiated the motive of running over teh writer with your car.

    i have no recollection of that?

    I am sure that such a brillant geek as yourself will soon have my name cross-referenced with Go First F1 in a search pattern to figure out exactly when I made this quote.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 20:24

    So… your posts are blocked from appearing and you can’t update the wiki - are you getting the hint yet?

    Yep. Everything is my fault. 'me' is to blame for absolutely nothing.

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:25

    me, I am quite sure you deleted the first post if it said “First”. Whyelse would I had to resort to such trickey of cheering for a team that’s been dead for almost 30 years?

    unless i'd literally just threatened to run you over and then you did exactly the same thing, i doubt i'd have done that?

    See, me by deleting the offending quote, you have elimiated the motive of running over teh writer with your car.

    i have plenty of motive, don't worry.

    I am sure that such a brillant geek as yourself will soon have my name cross-referenced with Go First F1 in a search pattern to figure out exactly when I made this quote.

    oh, right. hold on.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 20:25

    me, I am quite sure you deleted the first post if it said “First”. Whyelse would I had to resort to such trickey of cheering for a team that’s been dead for almost 30 years?

    They were in F1 in 1989.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 20:25

    From the looks of it Di Grassi was in the RA108 (as it was at the beginning of the year -no twisted rear wing or dumbo-flugels) but Button was in the RA108 with ‘09 wings.

    So any compaison is meaningless.

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:29

    I am sure that such a brillant geek as yourself will soon have my name cross-referenced with Go First F1 in a search pattern to figure out exactly when I made this quote.

    according to wordpress there is no comment containing those words above, and there are hundreds of comments containing the word:

    first

    (and here's another one). can you maybe be a bit more specific?

  • lou18/11/2008 at 20:30

    So any compaison is meaningless.

    pretty much. from what i understand about the honda test schedule, Jenson and Alex are working on the '09 car testing while Di Grassi and Senna are just fighting it out for a race seat.

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 20:31

    November 18th, 2008 at 8:19 pmR.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato) said:

    anyone wanna take a bet on toyota’s livery next year?

    Blue with black and pink and oragne and purple?

    Or red and white.

    Do not know about Toyota but here is what I think Honda's colour scheme will be..... (not)

    Overall Lime Green with Pastel Pink and Sky Blue tartan pattern , with white overstripes and yellow polka dots? :O .

    Notice that individually, all these colours/schemes are on girls' bikinis......

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:33

    pretty much. from what i understand about the honda test schedule, Jenson and Alex are working on the ‘09 car testing while Di Grassi and Senna are just fighting it out for a race seat.

    i wish you had time to blog more lou, you have so much honda insight.

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 20:36

    me:

    Try an exact search on "Go FIRST" or "FIRST F1", then. But I am sure I typed "Go FIRST!" in the comments about when the Live Comment Live thing started, or maybe before that.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 20:40

    i wish you had time to blog more lou, you have so much honda insight.

    i wish i had time too...but 5 alevels is pretty much constant work :/ however I'm trying to find the time. might do a few quick posts here and there when i get the time. Lol it's not really any special insight, i'm just a rather obsessive Honda/ Jenson fan ;) Honda could do with a forum or some kinda blog really, but i suppose they are ahead of the game with their honda tv features so hopefully a blog or something will follow soon.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 20:41

    lou, for the script thing, Emily is your friend right?

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:44

    Try an exact search on “Go FIRST” or “FIRST F1?, then. But I am sure I typed “Go FIRST!” in the comments about when the Live Comment Live thing started, or maybe before that.

    if you did, wordpress search can't find it. i'll try google, but all i keep coming up with is this page.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 20:44

    lou, for the script thing, Emily is your friend right?

    yep :) she came to goodwood with me because i wanted a friend to come round with me so i had some freedom from my parents ;) plus i've been trying to get her into f1 :) i've been pretty sucessful, she is at least a little interested now :)

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 20:50

    yep she came to goodwood with me because i wanted a friend to come round with me so i had some freedom from my parents plus i’ve been trying to get her into f1

    And she likes Heikki.

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 20:50

    anyone wanna take a bet on toyota’s livery next year?

    Reminds me of something i did a little while back.

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:51

    Reminds me of something i did a little while back.

    :D

    aside from the wheel bins, i'd swear they were the same.

  • Scott in Italy (who at too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 20:52

    Overall Lime Green with Pastel Pink and Sky Blue tartan pattern , with white overstripes and yellow polka dots? :O .

    how about yellow panda dots instead?

    If the greyhounds took away some of the money to buy Ted, is there enough to advertise on the Force Indias? :)

    That was C+me's Christmas party right? In November? That's great because it gets it out of the way and not in that mad chaos of mid December. I miss my work xmas party this year because I'm flying back to Oz for a few weeks - I want to remember what the sun and the beach are....

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:53

    That was C+me’s Christmas party right? In November?

    we're planning a live sidepodparty though. well, i say planning, i mean mentioning once in hope steven will tell us what to do next.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 20:54

    we’re planning a live sidepodparty though. well, i say planning, i mean mentioning once in hope steven will tell us what to do next.

    Haha.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 20:55

    we’re planning a live sidepodparty though. well, i say planning, i mean mentioning once in hope steven will tell us what to do next.

    I accept the blame. That is normally all I do.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 20:56

    I accept the blame. That is normally all I do.

    Think of it as taking the credit.

  • Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 20:56

    spaceupdate - if i heard correctly - one of the astronauts let go of a bag of tools and it drifted away. oops. i think somehow the ferrari crew must have given her the okay to let go too early.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 20:57

    spaceupdate - if i heard correctly - one of the astronauts let go of a bag of tools and it drifted away. oops. i think somehow the ferrari crew must have given her the okay to let go too early.

    Couldn't she catch it? That would be fun to watch. Like someone chasing paper that's being blown away.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 20:57

    we’re planning a live sidepodparty though. well, i say planning, i mean mentioning once in hope steven will tell us what to do next.

    Didn't I suggest that the other day?

  • lou18/11/2008 at 20:58

    And she likes Heikki.

    oh yeah, and she likes Heikki, and sidepodcast ;)

  • me18/11/2008 at 20:58

    Didn’t I suggest that the other day?

    probably.

    any idea as to what we do next?

  • Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 20:59

    I accept the blame. That is normally all I do.

    If Steven Roy had not made an appearance in a podcast or two, I'd suspect he was just a mythical character created by me for exclusive use as a scapegoat.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 20:59

    any idea as to what we do next?

    Balloons!

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:00

    Balloons!

    i have fireworks... sorta.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:01

    spaceupdate - if i heard correctly - one of the astronauts let go of a bag of tools and it drifted away. oops. i think somehow the ferrari crew must have given her the okay to let go too early.

    I decided to avoid all the obvious jokes. She was checking the contents and a grease gun had leaked so she ended up with grease on her gloves. She was so busy cleaning up the mess she didn't tether the bag so it has headed of aft and starboard with a whole load of good stuff including one of those very cool Nasa battery drills. Nasa are paranoid about gloves getting damaged so you will hear them call for glove inspections every half hour and they are under orders to clean off anything that gets on them immediately.

  • Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 21:02

    Couldn’t she catch it? That would be fun to watch. Like someone chasing paper that’s being blown away.

    I was multitasking (i.e. doing many bad things at once) and just a summary speech about it - i think a grease gun or something went off unexpectantly in a bag and while she was cleaning things, well, she lost her deposit. I'm sure the crew have to pay a deposit on things - how else can they pay for all that stuff.

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 21:03

    Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad) said:

    If Steven Roy had not made an appearance in a podcast or two, I’d suspect he was just a mythical character created by me for exclusive use as a scapegoat.

    Nah, more like I have him doing test runs got get basic settings for the Abu Dbuhi track......

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:03

    any idea as to what we do next?

    you could make another cake?

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 21:03

    any idea as to what we do next?

    Cupcakes!!

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:05

    Couldn’t she catch it? That would be fun to watch. Like someone chasing paper that’s being blown away.

    By the time it was noticed floating away it was too late for anyone to do anything about it. I guess they need to cover the whole ISS with a giant net to catch anything or anyone floating away.

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:05

    you could make another cake?

    Cupcakes!!

    after icing-gate? no chance.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:06

    after icing-gate? no chance.

    what about cookies? ;)

  • Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 21:07

    I was multitasking (i.e. doing many bad things at once)

    I should have written doing many things at once, and all badly. It sounded like I was plotting evil against the world. I was not. although I am planning my own space mission to go get that drill. If I get three more I can start my own F1 team. I might have more financial backing than Super Auguri.

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:07

    what about cookies?

    how hard is it to make a cookie?

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:07

    what about cookies?

    or mince pies

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 21:07

    me said:

    Balloons!

    i have fireworks… sorta.

    me! Stop fighting with Christine for no apparent reason other than you want fireworks....

    Other ideas:

    cake.

    Lovely vacation in Montreal, before the real snowfall hits....Tour the track.

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:08

    although I am planning my own space mission to go get that drill. If I get three more I can start my own F1 team. I might have more financial backing than Super Auguri.

    what does the drill do?

    and where will it go now?

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:08

    or mince pies

    traditional, i like it. they have icing though?

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:09

    how hard is it to make a cookie?

    not that hard at all. depends on the recipe, but there are some where the dough can be stored in the fridge, and then when you want a cookie/biscuit all you need to do is roll it out cut as many as you want and cook them for about 10 mins ;)

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 21:10

    traditional, i like it. they have icing though?

    No they don't. Only the fancy ones I buy you cos they are nicer.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 21:11

    any idea as to what we do next?

    Set up a fund to expand the hours in the day so I can appear on more sidepodpanel episodes.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:11

    they have icing though?

    mince pies don't have icing ;) sometimes there is a little bit of icing sugar sprinkled on top but never icing as in icing sugar and water icing.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 21:11

    No they don’t. Only the fancy ones I buy you cos they are nicer.

    That is soooo going in the script.

    Maybe the other way round though.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:11

    what does the drill do?

    and where will it go now?

    It is basically an battery powered screwdriver. Eventually its orbit will decay until it burns up in the atmosphere. They will plot its course to make sure it doesn't hit anything particularly the shuttle on the way back down.

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:12

    Set up a fund to expand the hours in the day so I can appear on more sidepodpanel episodes.

    that's a tricky ask.

    mince pies don’t have icing ;) sometimes there is a little bit of icing sugar sprinkled on top but never icing as in icing sugar and water icing.

    oh.

    christine... why do our mince pies have icing on them?

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:12

    traditional, i like it. they have icing though?

    Not necessarily. You can get them with pastry holly leaves on them.

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:12

    They will plot its course to make sure it doesn’t hit anything particularly the shuttle on the way back down.

    they can plot the course of a screwdriver??

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 21:12

    It is basically an battery powered screwdriver. Eventually its orbit will decay until it burns up in the atmosphere. They will plot its course to make sure it doesn’t hit anything particularly the shuttle on the way back down.

    So it won't end up in my front garden tomorrow.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 21:13

    they can plot the course of a screwdriver??

    Is it sonic?

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:14

    christine… why do our mince pies have icing on them?

    haha... lol i could be wrong, but we always make ours from scratch so... that could just be the way we make them

  • Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 21:15

    what does the drill do?

    it drills :)

    and where will it go now?

    wherever it wants. [i know i'm not helping but hey...]

    On a different note: If I wish to send you guys a christmas postcard, where can I send it? you know a real paper card, like in them olden days.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:15

    The mince pies we make often look a bit like this -

    http://food-beverage.punchstock.com/images/galleries/festive-food/1315016.jpg

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:16

    they can plot the course of a screwdriver??

    It is a whole bag of tools. They know exactly what is in there. They know eactly what it weighs. They know its speed plus or minus a mile per hour and they have its heading. With all that info how hard can it be to track when you have Nasa, and 4 other space agencies at your disposal.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 21:16

    The mince pies we make often look a bit like this -

    Lou's in charge of mince pies for the Sidepodparty.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:16

    Is it sonic?

    :D

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 21:17

    Lou’s in charge of mince pies for the Sidepodparty.

    We have jobs now?

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:18

    We have jobs now?

    Some of us have a list of jobs

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:19

    Some of us have a list of jobs

    :D

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:20

    Lou’s in charge of mince pies for the Sidepodparty.

    lol erm haha ok. :)

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 21:20

    me said:

    they can plot the course of a screwdriver??

    Yes, me, it is very easy to plot the course of a screwdriver as you pick up the glass, pivot on your elbow, raising the glass in the quarter-circular path to your mouth, tilt your head back, open your mouth and swallow....

    Now tracking the course of a drill, now that is a little more differcult........

  • lou18/11/2008 at 21:21

    Some of us have a list of jobs

    haha to help R.G (and others) out should we have a page on the wiki for the sidepodparty?

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:21

    it is very easy to plot the course of a screwdriver as you pick up the glass, pivot on your elbow, raising the glass in the quarter-circular path you your mouth, tilt your head back, open you mouth and swallow….

    hehe.

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 21:22

    haha to help R.G (and others) out should we have a page on the wiki for the sidepodparty?

    Sounds like a fine idea

  • Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 21:22

    Some of us have a list of jobs

    1. Scapegoat

    2. Comic and factual (like TG) entertainment

    3. repeat.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 21:22

    haha to help R.G (and others) out should we have a page on the wiki for the sidepodparty?

    Please.

    I''m an insider and I'm lost half the time :) Hallelujiah to the wiki

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 21:24

    R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato): 18/11/2008 at 21:22

    That sounds like a terrifying combination, by the way.

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 21:25

    That sounds like a terrifying combination, by the way.

    Could be worse.

    .

    .

    .

    .

    Actually can it?

  • Jordan Allen ( Switiching to new target, Lou starts cheering!)18/11/2008 at 21:26

    Do you think that the tool (screwdriver or drill) was lost by the astronaut because the tool was the wrong hand for the astronaut?

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:29

    I”m an insider and I’m lost half the time Hallelujiah to the wiki

    but you're writing the script?

  • R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato)18/11/2008 at 21:31

    but you’re writing the script?

    Aye.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 21:32

    Do you think that the tool (screwdriver or drill) was lost by the astronaut because the tool was the wrong hand for the astronaut?

    It was in a bag with a whole load of other stuff. The drill/screwdriver or the hand it was suitable for had nothing to do with it.

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 21:45

    About the new front wings for '09 (definitely NOT Five Pints of Awesome!)

    Aren't the mechanics going to be megablasticly busy next year changing a kijillion noses from kerb bashing and wheel locking type incidents?

    The 2nd corner needs to be the new pit lane entry!

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 21:45

    Haven't quite got the hang of this multi thread front page yet :D

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:46

    Haven’t quite got the hang of this multi thread front page yet

    haha. just bounced the comment across threads for ya.

    need to refresh live commenting to see changes.

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:46

    The 2nd corner needs to be the new pit lane entry!

    can we suggest this to codemasters?

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:48

    so, am just listening to the panel. and vee's comment about ferrari's lack of transparency about kers.

    if, as alleged that ferrari didn't know what they're doing re: kers next year. how comes they've been running it for the past 2 days?

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 21:48

    me: 18/11/2008 at 21:46

    The 2nd corner needs to be the new pit lane entry!

    can we suggest this to codemasters?

    :D

    Is that the F1 game people?

  • Dom18/11/2008 at 21:49

    can we suggest this to codemasters?

    Ooh, good plan. :)

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 21:49

    if, as alleged that ferrari didn’t know what they’re doing re: kers next year. how comes they’ve been running it for the past 2 days?

    Italian cars and electrics?

    I'd want a big anti-static suit for the pit mechanics if I were them

  • me18/11/2008 at 21:53

    Italian cars and electrics?

    I’d want a big anti-static suit for the pit mechanics if I were them

    haha.

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 21:57

    I had an Alfa Romeo once and the strangest things used to go wrong with it

    The rearview mirror broke - internally

    (could not dip it when big bad headlights flared up behind)

    :(

  • Scott in Italy (who ate too many chips and feels bad)18/11/2008 at 21:59

    bed time for me. buona notte. :)

  • me18/11/2008 at 22:00

    bed time for me. buona notte.

    see ya scott.

  • Andy Taylor18/11/2008 at 22:18

    they can plot the course of a screwdriver??

    Is it sonic?

    It's Supersonic Christine ;)

    To answer the first question, yes. There's an amazing amount of space junk floating around up there and anything larger than a golf ball is able to be tracked according to Wikipedia.

  • me18/11/2008 at 22:20

    It’s Supersonic Christine

    :D

  • me18/11/2008 at 22:26

    by the way, just read the following:

    Fantasy Racers Changes Planned for 2009

    1) Driver values will change based on their popularity

    2) Bigger starting budget

    yippee!

    more: http://www.fantasyracers.com/

  • Christine18/11/2008 at 22:27

    Fantasy Racers Changes Planned for 2009

    Oooh, groovy.

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 22:30

    "Thousands of nuts, bolts, gloves and other debris from space missions form an orbiting garbage dump around Earth, presenting a hazard to spacecraft. Some of the bits and pieces scream along at 17,500 mph"

    LOL @ supersonic gloves

    space.com/spacewatch/space_junk.html

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 22:34

    “Thousands of nuts, bolts, gloves and other debris from space missions form an orbiting garbage dump around Earth, presenting a hazard to spacecraft. Some of the bits and pieces scream along at 17,500 mph”

    The shuttle travels at over 17,000 mph. Anything at that altitude 212ish miles has to travel at that speed to maintain its orbit.

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 22:41

    It’s Supersonic Christine

    Is it still supersonic if there's no sound?

    In space, no one can hear your 17,500 mph gloves scream by

  • Andy Taylor18/11/2008 at 22:42

    Some of the bits and pieces scream along at 17,500 mph

    The shuttle travels at over 17,000 mph. Anything at that altitude 212ish miles has to travel at that speed to maintain its orbit.

    Somewhat sensationalist, but the relative speed is the issue, even a tiny piece of debris could cause major damage if it hits the shuttle or the ISS at a suitably high speed.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 22:44

    Is it still supersonic if there’s no sound?

    I suppose anything that moves in space is supersonic because sound can't move at all. Just think even Nelsinho Piquet would be supersonic in space.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 22:46

    Somewhat sensationalist, but the relative speed is the issue, even a tiny piece of debris could cause major damage if it hits the shuttle or the ISS at a suitably high speed.

    I guess the problem is when something orbiting in the opposite direction hits the ISS at a closing speed of 35,000 mph.

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 22:46

    What is Mach 1 in space? (As it's relative speed is dependant on temperature)

  • me18/11/2008 at 22:49

    I suppose anything that moves in space is supersonic because sound can’t move at all. Just think even Nelsinho Piquet would be supersonic in space.

    he'd crash before he got there.

  • Andy Taylor18/11/2008 at 22:53

    R.G (As insane as Bernie, as cute as Montagny, as dangerous as Sato): 18/11/2008 at 21:22

    That sounds like a terrifying combination, by the way.

    How about "as cute as Bernie, as dangerous as Montagny, as insane as Sato"? That's more terrifying...

  • Bassano Clapper18/11/2008 at 22:53

    he’d crash before he got there.

    Or pull over to let Alonso past

  • Jordan Allen (Science trick here!)18/11/2008 at 23:21

    November 18th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    Bassano Clapper said:

    What is Mach 1 in space? (As it’s relative speed is dependant on temperature)

    We (myself and Alinora) had this discussion before about dividing by zero so I do not want to start that again.

    Temperature is not a factor in space as there is no reflected heat from any plantary surface so high up. The "temperture" in outer space is the same terpature until you are in the atomsphere of some planet, at which point the atomsphere will start to have a temperature.

    Air pressure will be 0 and thus Mach can be reached at 1/infinity, or when some movment occurs.

    Mach 1 can be reached at 770 mph at sea level and at 15 000 feet be reached only at 660 mph. In another words, Mach will be reached at at lower speeds becasue the air is less dense.

    Also. If you can grab a mermaid girlfriend, two spare swimming masks and fill the mask underwater with air, by placeing the spare mask to your mouth underwater you can talk to one another. The reason why the vocie sounds like it is coming form everywhere is the speed of sound is 4 times faster underwater and your ears can not work out where the sound is coming from.

  • Steven Roy18/11/2008 at 23:28

    Temperature is not a factor in space as there is no reflected heat from any plantary surface so high up. The “temperture” in outer space is the same terpature until you are in the atomsphere of some planet, at which point the atomsphere will start to have a temperature.

    But at the ISS the temperature varies massively depending whether they are in sunlight or the Earht's shadow. Not that it affects the speed of sound which will still be zero.

  • me18/11/2008 at 23:30

    If you can grab a mermaid girlfriend, two spare swimming masks and fill the mask underwater with air, by placeing the spare mask to your mouth underwater you can talk to one another. The reason why the vocie sounds like it is coming form everywhere is the speed of sound is 4 times faster underwater and your ears can not work out where the sound is coming from.

    eh? i had no idea.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 23:35

    Fantasy Racers Changes Planned for 2009

    oo sounds great, can't wait for Aus :)

  • Jordan Allen (Science trick here!)18/11/2008 at 23:39

    Scared the hell out me when she first did that stunt on myself....But you really do need to work on listening to fiure out what the person is saying on the other end..... And this is 13 feet deep in a the bottom of a pool....

  • Andy Taylor18/11/2008 at 23:40

    It was a joke. Sigh.

  • me18/11/2008 at 23:44

    It was a joke. Sigh.

    you're clearly under appreciated in your time.

  • lou18/11/2008 at 23:58

    Have just created my first page on the Wiki, it is surprisingly easy. I have created a page for the Sidepodparty, it contains everything about it that I know about it (which isn't a lot). I have also finally uploaded a pic etc to my page.

  • Christine19/11/2008 at 00:00

    Ah, it's brilliant Lou :)

  • Journeyer19/11/2008 at 00:26

    Good morning!

    I’m really looking forward to this years. When are they not very, very good?

    You make a good point there. But I'm hoping there will be a big improvement from last year's, which was indeed very, very good.

    I personally think they should have had two races - one for each tyre manufacturer. hey why not? it would have been less of a farce than what happened. As for Ferrari (if i remember the saga correctly) Why would they permit a change to the track to make it better for the competitors? I like picking on Ferrari too, but it was like asking them “would you mind not racing so fast so others can keep up with you?”

    I think the rules on race limits plus commercial interests killed that off.

    I was reading through comments on I think the 5th part of that. And a guy points out very well that James Allen says that why should Ferrari agree to Michelin’s demands when they didn’t agree to changes for the Spanish GP where Schumacher had to withdraw with Bridgestone problems.

    Indeed, that was their argument. They just thought it was fair.

    I could be wrong but wasn’t the blog post about what he had said on the show (i’m sure he mentioned something about coming back to beat the stig), it could be a case of - what you say in the spare of the moment might not necessarily happen, or be what you want to do. He may have said ‘i’ll come back and beat the stig’s record’ but he may not have really meant it.

    But Lewis went out of his way to tell TG he wanted a 2nd chance! I think he really meant to have another go.

    So I typed: “Go FIRST F1!” to get around the the censor….

    That's just funny!

    anyone wanna take a bet on toyota’s livery next year?

    Red on white or white on red? :P

    spaceupdate - if i heard correctly - one of the astronauts let go of a bag of tools and it drifted away. oops. i think somehow the ferrari crew must have given her the okay to let go too early.

    Oops indeed. Silly astronaut. Hahaha!

    About the new front wings for ‘09 (definitely NOT Five Pints of Awesome!)

    Is it FOUR Pints of Awesome? Heehee. :P

    1) Driver values will change based on their popularity

    Why popularity? Shouldn't it be performance? :)

  • me19/11/2008 at 00:35

    Why popularity? Shouldn’t it be performance?

    good question. don't know.

  • Bassano Clapper19/11/2008 at 00:41

    1) Driver values will change based on their popularity

    Does that mean Lewis will be cheap?

  • Bassano Clapper19/11/2008 at 00:44

    we’re planning a live sidepodparty though. well, i say planning, i mean mentioning once in hope steven will tell us what to do next.

    Cool, will there be drinking games and if not can I make that suggestion before Me gets the blame for it?

  • me19/11/2008 at 00:44

    Does that mean Lewis will be cheap?

    o.u.c.h.

  • Bassano Clapper19/11/2008 at 00:48

    Cool, will there be drinking games and if not can I make that suggestion before Me gets the blame for it?

    Non-branded energy drinks for the underage, of course - as long as there's no risk of hyperglycaemia.

    Hyperactivity is obviously, totally acceptable :D

  • Alianora La Canta19/11/2008 at 00:49

    Also. If you can grab a mermaid girlfriend, two spare swimming masks and fill the mask underwater with air, by placeing the spare mask to your mouth underwater you can talk to one another. The reason why the vocie sounds like it is coming form everywhere is the speed of sound is 4 times faster underwater and your ears can not work out where the sound is coming from. {Jordan Allen - 7 comments ago}

    No wonder my swimming club has so much trouble getting me to stop swimming when they're shutting the pool for the night. All I hear when they shout at me when I'm in the middle of a set is a bit of noise that is easily mistaken for the sound of water moving. Thank you for explaining why, Jordan.

    And you'll be pleased to know this time that I'm not arguing with you :)

  • Alianora La Canta19/11/2008 at 00:51

    Non-branded energy drinks for the underage, of course - as long as there’s no risk of hyperglycaemia. {Bassano - 2 comments ago}

    Bassano, there's always water (but then there's the danger of hypoglycaemia for some...) Good thing online parties have a bring-your-own policy...

  • me19/11/2008 at 00:54

    Bassano, there’s always water (but then there’s the danger of hypoglycaemia for some…) Good thing online parties have a bring-your-own policy…

    agreed. i, as ever, will remain teetotal throughout.

  • Alianora La Canta19/11/2008 at 01:03

    So will I. Having not found an alcoholic drink I like the taste of.

    In fact, I probably won't drink anything at all at the party in case I spill it and damage the keyboard (especially since I might not even be at my own keyboard for the party...)