Saturday turns into Sunday, and it's the return of the live Debrief show. Unlike last week, there is no chance that karting can be used as an excuse to postpone the show. That's not to say there can't be some other bizarre reason, but fingers crossed everything goes to plan. Until then, there's still plenty to talk about:

  • Mark Hughes has been taking a closer look at the Ferrari, and come up with some interesting technical insight. How far can teams bend the rules before it becomes unacceptable? And who'll be the first to push it too far?
  • Webber has given us a date for his comeback. I can't wait to see him back in the car, although I don't really feel like I missed him from the previous tests. Roll on 11th Feb, I say.
  • In the live show, we'll be doing the Fantasy Racers rundown - a quick list of everyone who has signed up so far. This will be an interesting experiment live, as it took a few takes last year. Anyway, if you haven't signed up already, click on the new link in the sidebar to take you to Fantasy Racers, and you'll hear your team read out later today.

That'll keep us going until later today, when the thread for the Debrief show will be opened. The schedule says 7pm GMT, but no promises. Until then, I'll see you in the comments.

153 responses

  • lou18/01/2009 at 00:07

    In the live show, we’ll be doing the Fantasy Racers rundown

    oh goodness, i still haven't created my team yet. I have such an awful memory.

    oh and hey everyone ;)

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 00:12

    If you're reading out people's 5 teams, can you save the Dumbo-Flugel team until last? You read the other 4 and then you get that as the final masterpiece :D

  • lou18/01/2009 at 00:28

    I like the fantasy racers button on the side btw, very handy :)

  • Journeyer18/01/2009 at 00:32

    Here's a thing that hasn't been brought up yet.

    Hamilton mentioned post-Brazil that he'll stay at McLaren for the rest of his F1 career.

    But with Ron's retirement, does that change things? We know Anthony tried to shop him around other teams in the past, and even had entry-level negotiations with Williams. Will he try jumping ship to, say, BMW or Ferrari (assuming Alonso isn't there, of course)?

  • Journeyer18/01/2009 at 00:36

    But with Ron’s retirement, does that change things? We know Anthony tried to shop him around other teams in the past, and even had entry-level negotiations with Williams. Will he try jumping ship to, say, BMW or Ferrari (assuming Alonso isn’t there, of course)?

    And I haven't even mentioned the fact that Lewis wasn't informed of Ron's retirement until just minutes before the public announcement.

  • Felipe Leite18/01/2009 at 00:50

    I don't know if anybody have suggested this here before (sorry, not too much time to read all the daily comments), but there is an idea theat is getting stronger between F1 bloggers here in Brazil about the new Honda team (if there will be one). Maybe they'vwe copied the idea from somewhere else, but I found it quite nice.

    Before Honda, the team was named BAR. Before BAR it was the Tyrrel team. So why not rename it to Tyrrel again?

    What do you think about it? To me, it would be awesome have the Tyrrel team back. The same team that was incredibly strong in the early 70's, had the 6-wheeler, the first "moustache" front-wing iin the 90's. It is a strong name, and it could bring back that amateur feeling (in a good sense) back.

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 00:52

    can a driver change their style season on season? especially with so little testing?

    The short answer is no. If you take someone like Hamilton. Since he first got a kart to handle to his liking he has had the front end nailed to the ground and has learned to brake into a corner controlling the slide of the tail then to apply the throttle and balance the tail with that. He can't suddenly become and Alonso or Kubica who have the tail nailed and slide the front under braking and just know when it is going to bite before it does. Equally neither of those two could cope with the tail dancing about because they have no frame of reference for that as any time they have had it in the past they have dialed it out.

    Effectively that was Kimi's problem last season. His style needs the front to grip and it slid all over the place so he had no way to pivot the rear on the front tyres as the front end just didn't grip. Couple that with a rear end that wouldn't step out of line and everything he had ever learned wouldn't work because he didn not have a platform to start from.

  • Journeyer18/01/2009 at 00:53

    What do you think about it? To me, it would be awesome have the Tyrrel team back. The same team that was incredibly strong in the early 70’s, had the 6-wheeler, the first “moustache” front-wing iin the 90’s. It is a strong name, and it could bring back that amateur feeling (in a good sense) back.

    There may be some issues with the Tyrrell name trademark. But if the family agrees, why not?

    That said, I'm not sure I want people like Nick Fry tarnishing the Tyrrell name. Ross Brawn, sure, why not? But Fry, no.

    Lastly, a project with Tyrrell's name on it has to get involvement from a certain J.Y.S. It's the right thing to do. :D

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 00:56

    But with Ron’s retirement, does that change things? We know Anthony tried to shop him around other teams in the past, and even had entry-level negotiations with Williams. Will he try jumping ship to, say, BMW or Ferrari (assuming Alonso isn’t there, of course)?

    My view is regardless whether he thinks he will stay there his whole career or not it is massively unlikely he will. He may not have had much notice but it was clear Ron was not going to go on much longer in his current role. However Ron is still running the business and will still have a big say on things like drivers.

    Sonner or later McLaren will make a few bad cars in a row and like Senna he will leave.

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 00:58

    Before Honda, the team was named BAR. Before BAR it was the Tyrrel team. So why not rename it to Tyrrel again?

    I think whoever buys it will name it smething new. The past is gone. The future should not just copy the past.

    I would be surprised if the rights to the Tyrrell name were included in the sale so it probably is not an option anyway.

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 00:59

    Lastly, a project with Tyrrell’s name on it has to get involvement from a certain J.Y.S. It’s the right thing to do.

    I think his main involvement would be to tell the family not to get involved.

  • Journeyer18/01/2009 at 01:01

    Sonner or later McLaren will make a few bad cars in a row and like Senna he will leave.

    But isn't there a difference here?

    Senna never tied himself down to McLaren. He was always after the best car on the grid available to him. He initially didn't even want to drive for McLaren in 1993. So I don't think it was ever in his mind to stay in McLaren for the rest of his F1 career, never mind say it in public.

    Hamilton, on the other hand, has been with Ron and McLaren for a decade or so now. It's the only thing he really knows.

  • Journeyer18/01/2009 at 01:04

    I think whoever buys it will name it smething new. The past is gone. The future should not just copy the past.

    I remember that rumor where BAR was going to be renamed Lotus. Now Tyrrell. Interesting.

    I would be surprised if the rights to the Tyrrell name were included in the sale so it probably is not an option anyway.

    They're most certainly not included. I don't think it was even included in the sale to BAR 10 years ago. (wow, that long ago?) Anyway, if the new team owner wants the name, he'll have to talk to Ken's family to get it.

    I think his main involvement would be to tell the family not to get involved.

    It depends on who's buying, really. I wouldn't necessarily close the door right away. But yes, whoever is buying it must be a man of good standing and would be able to run an F1 team to the level of success and ethics that Ken did.

  • lou18/01/2009 at 02:13

    Well i've finally signed up to fantasy racers. I saw one of your previous comments left today, 'me', where you said the cut off point for them being read out tomorrow/later is midnight. ;) dun worry about including my team, i'm not fussed if it's read out or not.

  • Dom18/01/2009 at 02:58

    i’ve finally signed up to fantasy racers.

    Yay for the team name!

    All one of us needs to do now is win... ;)

  • Christine18/01/2009 at 09:12

    dun worry about including my team, i’m not fussed if it’s read out or not.

    The real cut off point is when I make the list and that hasn't happened yet :)

    I think the plan is to give everyone a name check, its just a matter of whether you make this weeks show or not.

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 09:45

    Mornin all.

    Still scaling the scary hights of fourth I see in fr, bet it'll only last till late March.

    I should be at the debrief thingy tonight, completley forgot what it is, but y'know ;)

  • Christine18/01/2009 at 09:55

    I should be at the debrief thingy tonight, completley forgot what it is, but y’know

    Us too.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)18/01/2009 at 10:12

    Morning all,

    I know it's not F1, but in response to the story about A1GP I found this:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/4822498a1823.html?source=RSSsport_20090118

    Shame really, I know Chris Van Der Drift was already very disappointed with not having an F1 test at Honda. Still, we get these stories about A1GP every year so let's hope they can do something...

    I think part of the problem is that the idea of an off-season single-seater championship has become very 'diluted'. When A1GP started there wasn't much choice in the off season, and now we have Superleague 'Formula', GP2 Asia, and F2 as choices for a driver wanting an alternate route to F1. A1GP may end up being a victim of it's own success - and that would be very sad :-(

  • Dank18/01/2009 at 10:36

    A1GP may end up being a victim of it’s own success - and that would be very sad

    What success? It launched four years ago and was marketed as a future rival to F1. Since then it's descended year-on-year into pretty much a farce, with organisers still trying to sort out the changes midway through a current season!

    I can't see A1GP running for much longer. I'm surprised it's lasted this long given how it's financed and how unstable finances are globally at the moment. I would have thought those debts would have been called in long ago.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)18/01/2009 at 10:51

    What success? It launched four years ago and was marketed as a future rival to F1. Since then it’s descended year-on-year into pretty much a farce, with organisers still trying to sort out the changes midway through a current season!

    That's a bit harsh!

    True, there have been elements of it that were a farce, such as venues

    that never happened, or venues that were just plain rubbish.

    In the first three seasons the racing in general has been very exciting and it has been the perfect launching platform for a lot of young talent that may not have been noticed before. I attended the first race in Taupo and we all thought it was a very well run and fantastic event - almost as good as going to an F1 race. So those countries that made an effort tended to have good races and good teams.

    The series should have been made even stronger by Ferrari but the idiotic way that they handled the new car has killed the series. One does suspect that Ferrari may have done this 'accidentally on purpose' to kill off A1GP - remember, they unofficially run F1 and I wouldn't be surprised if killing off A1GP did them some favours with the FIA.

    I mean come on, all of a sudden the car (which is heavily based on the F2004) wasn't ready because of suspension problems? This is the car that dominated in 2004 with supreme reliability and all of a sudden they are having problems with it? No way, man!

    And they had a year to make 30-odd cars - they should have had the capacity to do it otherwise A1GP should never have given them the contract.

    Also, which tractor did they get the engine out of? I have never heard a Ferrari with such an uninspiring engine note - the Zytek it replaced was a real screamer!

    So yeah, there were lots of external factors such as idiot organisers, idiot bankers and idiot constructors which have killed off the series, but to last four seasons with all those problems and produce some great racing is a testament to how good the series could have been, even with no endorsement from the FIA or Bernie ;-)

  • Alianora La Canta18/01/2009 at 12:49

    I would be surprised if the rights to the Tyrrell name were included in the sale so it probably is not an option anyway. {Steven Roy - 11 comments ago}

    I don't think BAR ever got the rights to the Tyrrell name in order to sell them on to Honda. The initial plan was for that to happen, but there was a falling-out between the Tyrrell family and BAR, so the Tyrrell family kept the name.

    So short of the ex-Honda team being bought out by someone on better terms with the Tyrrell family than Craig Pollock and BAR were, I can't see that happening.

  • Dank18/01/2009 at 14:18

    Kobayashi has done a few runs in the TF109 this morning. Shark-fin makes a return:

    http://www.xpb.cc/thumbnails/2009/f1-2009-alg01/su/0WOCUF4038Y0E90Q7P1C00044IO1_450.jpg

    Car looks very long!

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)18/01/2009 at 14:27

    Dank said:

    Kobayashi has done a few runs in the TF109 this morning. Shark-fin makes a return:

    (link)

    Car looks very long!

    Yuck, I hate that Shark Fin - ruins the lines and countours of the car.

    Car also has KERS inside? (Yellow Triangle with high voltage warning behind driver's helmet...)

  • Alenyaa18/01/2009 at 15:42

    I don't know how you guys see A1, but I'm a fan.

    I like the concept, racing's generally very good, there's actual overtaking and there are crowds at every venue. Also tickets are much more affordable.

    But the way it has been run so far, apart from the first season which was actually pretty sleekly run, does leave to be desired.

    However, the series are still young and suffer from growing pains.

    I do agree with Gavin though, the fact Fererari weren't able to decently prepare and live up to their commitments is strange to say the least.

    If it has already survived 4 years in this fashion, I'm sure the series will be fine.

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:02

    Kobayashi has done a few runs in the TF109 this morning. Shark-fin makes a return:

    Erm, I thought shark fins were banned?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)18/01/2009 at 16:06

    Erm, I thought shark fins were banned?

    Good point - is it another 'blind spot' like the F60's Bargeboard mirror struts?

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 16:16

    Erm, I thought shark fins were banned?

    It'll probably just be for testing surely. Won't use it in the races, unless they convince its legal somehow.

    Dakar has been won by Giniel de Villiers

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/world_rally/7836149.stm

  • Dank18/01/2009 at 16:17

    Erm, I thought shark fins were banned?

    They're still allowed.

  • lou18/01/2009 at 16:19

    15 mins til the race over on BATracer, if anyone hasn't done their practice now is the time. it's also worth remembering that the forecast for the race is drizzle .:)

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 16:22

    Drizzle, quick, To the Bat guide

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 16:24

    Woodwisss, should I start on hards or inters?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)18/01/2009 at 16:27

    Dakar has been won by Giniel de Villiers

    Meh. Last man standing ;-)

    I'd like to point out that a Dane runs the team :-D

  • Selidor18/01/2009 at 16:28

    Im playing it safe on Inters, since they did good by me a moist quali a few races back. Not sure if its "right" tho...

  • Dank18/01/2009 at 16:34

    Great I crashed out on lap 56 :-(

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:36

    How come Williams keeps getting upgrades?

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 16:37

    Damn that shoddy Oil Pressure guage.

    Looking at the start, maybe I shoulda used inters. Well done Alyeena though

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:37

    HONDA WINS! OMG!

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 16:39

    One hell of a close finish, over taken on the last lap.

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:39

    A 2008 Honda winning a race? This has to be in the show! :D

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:39

    One hell of a close finish, over taken on the last lap.

    You're right! Alenyaa won by 0.041 of a second!

  • lou18/01/2009 at 16:39

    HONDA WINS! OMG!

    WOOT!! :D GOOO ALENYAA!

  • Dom18/01/2009 at 16:41

    Woah. That was a mental race!

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:41

    And by the looks of it, us McLarens were just behind. Any kind of shenanigans from the front two and it would have been Hello Macca 1-2! :D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)18/01/2009 at 16:41

    HONDA WINS! OMG!

    I thought this was supposed to be modelled on the real life performances of the 2008 season?

    Can't be that realistic then ;-)

  • Dom18/01/2009 at 16:42

    How come Williams keeps getting upgrades?

    They really aren't making any difference...

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:42

    I thought this was supposed to be modelled on the real life performances of the 2008 season?

    Can’t be that realistic then

    Hey, it's BATracer. Anything can happen :D

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:43

    Oh good, it's Magny-Cours next... *yawn*

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)18/01/2009 at 16:44

    Hey, it’s BATracer. Anything can happen :D

    ...and it usually does :-D

    We should rename it to "Murray Walker's Random Racers" ;-)

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 16:44

    Can’t be that realistic then

    I know, I think thats two races in a row in which BMW have had mechanical failures.

  • Rich18/01/2009 at 16:44

    Dakar has been won by Giniel de Villiers

    I would like to point out that Giniel is South African and originally a track racer!

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:45

    I know, I think thats two races in a row in which BMW have had mechanical failures.

    And their reliability is the best out of all of the teams. WTF?

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 16:45

    I would like to point out that Giniel is South African and originally a track racer!

    First one won by a South African too I believe.

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:49

    Looks like "The Hulk" will the first to get his mitts on the new Williams

    http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1232194503/formula_one/F1testing/Hulkenberg-to-debut-new-Williams/view.html

    He'll be in a full time drive with them next season, you just watch.

  • Lukeh18/01/2009 at 16:50

    Oh good, it’s Magny-Cours next… *yawn*

    so true. silly Magny Bores.

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 16:52

    HONDA WINS! OMG!

    Well done Honda.

    Apart from the Honda win this is starting to look like 2008 with all the rain and safety cars

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 16:56

    And they had a year to make 30-odd cars - they should have had the capacity to do it otherwise A1GP should never have given them the contract.

    Ferrari have no history of batch manufacture. On the day it was announced I posted somewhere that they would not deliver. It was utterly predictable.

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 16:57

    Kobayashi has done a few runs in the TF109 this morning. Shark-fin makes a return:

    It looke like a van

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 16:58

    It looke like a van

    LMAO! :D Good one, steven.

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 16:59

    But the way it has been run so far, apart from the first season which was actually pretty sleekly run, does leave to be desired. However, the series are still young and suffer from growing pains. I do agree with Gavin though, the fact Fererari weren’t able to decently prepare and live up to their commitments is strange to say the least.

    Was it not during the first season that they turned up at a track and discovered the car's turning circle was bigger than the track width at the hairpin. That is so far from sleek.

  • me18/01/2009 at 16:59

    Ferrari have no history of batch manufacture. On the day it was announced I posted somewhere that they would not deliver. It was utterly predictable.

    you did n'all:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/10/04/remind-me-whos-driving-again/#comment-119963

    "Ferrari can do lots of good things but building batches of cars is not their business. A1GP would have been far better dealing with Dallara or someone" - Steven Roy, 04/10/2008

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 17:02

    you did n’all:

    Hey what do you know. My Fuji was a popular phrase and you were hoping to go to Stuttgart for the tour.

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:02

    Hey what do you know. My Fuji was a popular phrase and you were hoping to go to Stuttgart for the tour.

    we still are. but i can see us running out of time.

  • Selidor18/01/2009 at 17:03

    You’re right! Alenyaa won by 0.041 of a second!

    Thats pretty annoying, although it seems my wet driving style settings meant I was pretty slow in those conditions.

    So well done Alenyaa who, all things considered, probably derserved the win ;)

    And Trig who managed to stop 5 times and finish 7th!

    Hello Macca 1-2!

    Hello Macca 1-2!

    Dream on Woodwiss! :P

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 17:05

    we still are. but i can see us running out of time.

    Ah right. Just the inevitable thought of the end of the F1 winter tunnel screaching into view very shortly.

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 17:07

    Hello Macca 1-2! Dream on Woodwiss!

    It will happen! You just wait you Italians! :P

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 17:08

    It will happen! You just wait you Italians!

    Speaking of Italians, credit to Al Grogan in the Toro Rosso who lead for a few laps and generally performed very well.

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:08

    Ah right. Just the inevitable thought of the end of the F1 winter tunnel screaching into view very shortly.

    too quickly. much too quickly.

  • lou18/01/2009 at 17:10

    we still are. but i can see us running out of time.

    The australian gp is still pretty far away - f1.com says 67 days. Over the past couple of days i have found myself wishing it was longer, just because of the sheer amount of work i'm starting to get/ will have by then, plus AS exams will be fast approaching. *shudders* makes me feel very nervous just thinking about it.

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 17:10

    too quickly. much too quickly.

    That happens, remember Hamilton's last corner win in Brazil, that was two months ago. Feels like yesterday it happend.

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 17:10

    Formula one mathematics for beginners.

    If you qualify in third and overtake 24 cars what position will you finish in?

    7th. Tough luck Andy Trig.

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 17:10

    Apparently according to BMW, "The Countdown is on"

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg-3DxNNEKs

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 17:12

    I did the final 29 laps on a set of full wet tyres. Looks like two more laps and I would have been in a wall somewhere.

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 17:13

    7th. Tough luck Andy Trig.

    I think he crashed into me at the start, so that could explain why, overtook a few early on then hit a slow car.

    Apparently according to BMW, “The Countdown is on” http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg-3DxNNEKs

    Erm, kinda hoping the would opened the door and in the middle, the new car.

    Unikely thats going to happen sadly.

  • Camilo18/01/2009 at 17:14

    Hello to everyone I want to share some photos that I found in this Nederland website about the R-29 and the Toyota for this year. As you can see the Toyota looks a little bit different from the last Wednesday presentation and of course the new Renault colors

    It doesn´t look as ugly as I Though (?)

    What do you think?

    Take care all of you!

    http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/testsessies/testsessie-algarve-18-januari-2009/

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 17:17

    Hello to everyone I want to share some photos that I found in this Nederland website about the R-29 and the Toyota for this year. As you can see the Toyota looks a little bit different from the last Wednesday presentation and of course the new Renault colors

    Nice one Camilo. Regarding that Renault, it's certainly got more orange on it.

  • Selidor18/01/2009 at 17:19

    Formula one mathematics for beginners.

    If you qualify in third and overtake 24 cars what position will you finish in?

    7th. Tough luck Andy Trig.

    Genius! I'll make sure he sees that on Driver Chat.

    Speaking of Italians, credit to Al Grogan in the Toro Rosso who lead for a few laps and generally performed very well.

    despite me marginally damaging his car on lap 1. Sorry about that Al :P

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 17:21

    Great pics Camilo. I wonder how close the Renault launch car will be to the test car.

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:27

    Hello to everyone I want to share some photos that I found in this Nederland website about the R-29 and the Toyota for this year. As you can see the Toyota looks a little bit different from the last Wednesday presentation and of course the new Renault colors

    wow. thanks camilo!

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:33

    thanks to camilo for these:

    the r29?

    tf109 on track:

    more pics here: http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/testsessies/testsessie-algarve-18-januari-2009/

    amazing how much a new chassis can change in the space of a week, isn't it?

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:36

    bad news for bmw?

    "credit suisse has confirmed that it is pulling out as a major sponsor"

    http://www.f1technical.net/news/11434

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:37

    another shot of the toyota on track:

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Formule1/20090118_155129_la-tf-109-a-l-epreuve-de-l-algarve.html

    the second team to run inters on a dry track this week.

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:39

    am liking this video. very blair witch :)

    cheers scott.

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 17:40

    “credit suisse has confirmed that it is pulling out as a major sponsor”

    Hopefully we will/have found another one. Not good for us

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 17:49

    So after an afternoon at Tate Modern I discover that I have totally failed *again* to sort out my Batracing... Will I ever learn?

    I did qualifying on intermediates again :( And the race... Well...

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 17:49

    At what point does Dave in NZ get a chance to fire me?

  • me18/01/2009 at 17:49

    At what point does Dave in NZ get a chance to fire me?

    :D

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 17:50

    Hopefully we will/have found another one. Not good for us

    They can't just walk away they will have had to pay some fee to get out of the contract. Anyone know how long their contract had to run?

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 17:51

    At what point does Dave in NZ get a chance to fire me?

    You mean you haven't heard?

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 17:51

    You mean you haven’t heard?

    ah :)

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 17:52

    So back to live commenting tonight. I think it's unfair to hassle Christine and Me over start time predictions. So...

    What can we predict?

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 17:53

    Here's something we need to know...

    How many times this season will Mark Hughes "rip off" on of Steven Roy's comments for an article?

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 17:54

    How many times this season will Mark Hughes “rip off” on of Steven Roy’s comments for an article?

    one of obviously!

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 17:58

    My brother gave me his "broken" pc to fix...

    It had:

    1 - Missing power adaptor (and 1 flat battery)

    2 - Conflicting firewalls

    3 - Months out of date firewall ap

    5 - Virus infected files

    6 - Months out of date anti virus

    38 - Missing updates to windows xp

    It's almost the 12 days of Computing.

  • me18/01/2009 at 18:02

    How many times this season will Mark Hughes “rip off” on of Steven Roy’s comments for an article?

    i'm going for eleven. but with the caveat that steven phones in at least that many times during the year (including panelling).

  • me18/01/2009 at 18:02

    So back to live commenting tonight. I think it’s unfair to hassle Christine and Me over start time predictions. So…

    you are a big meanie!

  • Jackie18/01/2009 at 18:03

    Been having a look at the McLaren launch video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJWwAIJ-yCA at about 30 seconds in, Ron Dennis is talking to camera and mentions Lewis WDC winning drive at .. erm .. pause .. Brazil. The video also makes it look like one side of Ron's mouth is drooped.

    I'm not being nasty here .. I wonder if Ron is ill, had a minor stroke or something and that's why he's stepping down?

    Of course maybe he always talks like that and I've just never noticed before.

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 18:06

    you are a big meanie!

    Sorry! I'll try and be better behaved ;)

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 18:06

    Sorry! I’ll try and be better behaved

    (I did actually mean my sentiment)

  • me18/01/2009 at 18:08

    Of course maybe he always talks like that and I’ve just never noticed before.

    that's interesting. didn't notice it until you pointed it out, and i can't say i've studied the man in any detail before. if he was unhappy about it they would have surely cut it though.

  • me18/01/2009 at 18:09

    (I did actually mean my sentiment)

    i know ;)

  • Andy Taylor18/01/2009 at 18:11

    Been having a look at the McLaren launch video (link removed) at about 30 seconds in, Ron Dennis is talking to camera and mentions Lewis WDC winning drive at .. erm .. pause .. Brazil. The video also makes it look like one side of Ron’s mouth is drooped.

    I’m not being nasty here .. I wonder if Ron is ill, had a minor stroke or something and that’s why he’s stepping down?

    Of course maybe he always talks like that and I’ve just never noticed before.

    I've just had a look at some images and it looks like this is normal (for Ron).

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 18:11

    LOL! Check this out :D

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mYeXhBT5ALM

  • Alex Andronov18/01/2009 at 18:12

    I’ve just had a look at some images and it looks like this is normal (for Ron).

    I think it is the particular angle of the shot that accentuates something that's been there for a while.

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 18:13

    This one's great too

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ecaAqtBWLWw&feature=related

  • Bassano Clapper18/01/2009 at 18:16

    This one’s great too

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ecaAqtBWLWw&feature=related

    Well, these are just superb

  • Dom18/01/2009 at 18:18

    I’m not being nasty here .. I wonder if Ron is ill, had a minor stroke or something and that’s why he’s stepping down?

    It's possible. He's certainly not at his best in that interview.

  • Bassano Clapper18/01/2009 at 18:18

    I like the singapore one

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VmkaufC22ho&feature=related

  • Dom18/01/2009 at 18:19

    LOL! Check this out

    Love 'em. :D

  • R.G (The next Hermann Tilke)18/01/2009 at 18:20

    Well, these are just superb

    They are all brilliant

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 18:24

    I like this one

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bQr2cvXkxh8&feature=related

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 18:26

    Scott,

    Just completed my practise runs

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 18:27

    LMFAO at this one :D

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LN95tGlRwl0&feature=related

    Steven - good-o. Will do mine now ;)

  • Bassano Clapper18/01/2009 at 18:27

    I like this one

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bQr2cvXkxh8&feature=related

    Me too, though it's labelled china and is clearly Japan and is in the shadow of Mt Fuji! :D

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 18:27

    Argh, moderation strikes again!

  • me18/01/2009 at 18:28

    Argh, moderation strikes again!

    c'mon, you're doing great with the youtube links!

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 18:29

    Me too, though it’s labelled china and is clearly Japan and is in the shadow of Mt Fuji!

    I think some of them are lookbacks at the previous race.

  • me18/01/2009 at 18:29

    live thread it be open:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/01/18/live-the-difficult-third-season/

  • Scott Woodwiss18/01/2009 at 18:29

    AND AGAIN! What is going on! :(

  • Andy Taylor18/01/2009 at 18:30

    Just had a thought about Tyrrell - how about dropping an 'r' to make it the Tyrell F1 team? Of course the drivers would have to be replicants...

  • Christine18/01/2009 at 18:30

    AND AGAIN! What is going on!

    Got it.

  • Ollie18/01/2009 at 18:30

    Hello to everyone I want to share some photos that I found in this Nederland website about the R-29 and the Toyota for this year.

    When did Renault switch from Elf to Total? I always thought Elf was part-owned by Renault.

  • lou18/01/2009 at 18:31

    I like this one

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bQr2cvXkxh8&feature=related

    my fav - http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HDPxZGN-Pq0&feature=related

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 18:34

    I am innoncent - Nick Fry and haug says Merc could supply engines if someone can buy the team

    http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/16012009/58/honda-chief-denies-conflict-interest.html

  • Steven Roy18/01/2009 at 18:35

    When did Renault switch from Elf to Total? I always thought Elf was part-owned by Renault.

    I think Elf and Total are the same company now

  • Bassano Clapper18/01/2009 at 18:36

    I am innoncent - Nick Fry and haug says Merc could supply engines if someone can buy the team

    Deny everything Baldrick! :)

  • Ollie18/01/2009 at 18:36

    I think Elf and Total are the same company now

    Ah, I see.

  • Selidor18/01/2009 at 18:44

    Of course the drivers would have to be replicants…

    Batty could be world champion...

  • Alianora La Canta18/01/2009 at 22:27

    Erm, I thought shark fins were banned? {Scott Woodwiss}

    No, Scott, they are definitely legal.

  • Alianora La Canta18/01/2009 at 22:30

    I thought this was supposed to be modelled on the real life performances of the 2008 season?

    Can’t be that realistic then {Gavin Brown}

    I know it's not realistic because if Force Indias had been on the second and third rows with the frequency I have been, there would have been some serious trouble in the paddock by now.

  • Alianora La Canta18/01/2009 at 22:34

    Was it not during the first season that they turned up at a track and discovered the car’s turning circle was bigger than the track width at the hairpin. {Steven Roy}

    Yes. To be fair, it was the first time any series had used the Beijing street circuit, but surely someone should have checked what the A1GP cars were capable of doing and what the track required? It's not like getting stuck at the hairpin was an essential part of the circuit's challenge...

  • Alianora La Canta18/01/2009 at 22:37

    How many times this season will Mark Hughes “rip off” on of Steven Roy’s comments for an article? {Alex Andronov}

    How many times will [insert power-that-be here] need telling before he reads the blogosphere instead of assuming that simply because he hasn't grasped the FIA regulations doesn't mean nobody else has?

  • Bassano Clapper18/01/2009 at 22:39

    Talking of rules, with the 8 engines per season per car thing. Is it definite that they don't have to be in successive races?

  • Alianora La Canta18/01/2009 at 22:47

    It is, Bassano.

  • Ollie18/01/2009 at 22:47

    How many times will [insert power-that-be here] need telling before he reads the blogosphere instead of assuming that simply because he hasn’t grasped the FIA regulations doesn’t mean nobody else has?

    I refer to my comment made hours ago on the live thread (I think) that I find it funny how Alia knows more about the rule book than those people who wrote it!

  • Bassano Clapper18/01/2009 at 22:48

    It is, Bassano.

    Thanks

  • Dave in NZL19/01/2009 at 02:07

    I just popped a couple of 'racetracks' in the drop.io/sidepodcast drop. I hope you enjoy them. I didn't do these ones - mine were all hilariously bad. A mate/acquaintance sorted them.

  • me19/01/2009 at 03:08

    I just popped a couple of ‘racetracks’ in the drop.io/sidepodcast drop. I hope you enjoy them. I didn’t do these ones - mine were all hilariously bad. A mate/acquaintance sorted them.

    that's way too professional dave, i wanna see the hilariously bad ones :(

  • Dank19/01/2009 at 08:57

    Ugly car ahoy!!!

    http://i44.tinypic.com/35k0sn4.jpg

  • Flibster19/01/2009 at 09:04

    Dank: 19/01/2009 at 08:57

    Ugly car ahoy!!!

    http://i44.tinypic.com/35k0sn4.jpg

    I think I know the engine note...

    Miiiiiiing ming ming ming ming miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

  • Dank19/01/2009 at 09:05

    It reminds me of the Lola from the 1997 season :-D

  • Dank19/01/2009 at 09:07

    And the Williams FW31 in it's interim livery: http://www.f1today.nl/fotos/qzkupu3w1.jpg

  • Flibster19/01/2009 at 09:09

    To dark to make out any design details at the moment. Front wing isn't too bad. Rear wing is a 2009 rear wing....

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)19/01/2009 at 09:15

    me said:

    I just popped a couple of ‘racetracks’ in the drop.io/sidepodcast drop. I hope you enjoy them. I didn’t do these ones - mine were all hilariously bad. A mate/acquaintance sorted them.

    that’s way too professional dave, i wanna see the hilariously bad ones :(

    The one with the star-shaped object (1213242427688.jpg) drives by my work! I must admit, you'd have to go through an army base over cobblestones, over gravel roads, a wooden bridge and a footpath but it could work... ;-)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)19/01/2009 at 09:16

    Dank said:

    And the Williams FW31 in it’s interim livery:

    Nice.

    Ugly car ahoy!!!

    (Renault pic)

    Minging.

    So the scores so far:

    Mingers: 3 (BMW, Renault, Ferrari)

    Ringers: 3 (Mclaren, Williams, Toyota)

  • Christine19/01/2009 at 09:17

    New daily thread is up:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/01/19/daily-19th-january-2009/

    Sorry for delay.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)19/01/2009 at 10:06

    Steven Roy said:

    When did Renault switch from Elf to Total? I always thought Elf was part-owned by Renault.

    I think Elf and Total are the same company now

    Since 2000, in fact. My colleague (who used to work for them) says it's a branding thing - but he's not sure why Renault have switched to Total as Elf was their brand and Total was Citroen & Peugeot's brand...

  • Rich19/01/2009 at 12:47

    am liking this video. very blair witch

    It is clever - rather more so than Toyota's over the top creation!

  • Dank20/01/2009 at 08:42

    BMW Sauber F1.09 is go go go!

    https://www.press.bmw-motorsport.com/pcmot/p/photoStartpage.htm?left_menu_item=node__504&id=504&inclBanner=true&includeLeftMenuLink=true

    Urgh...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/01/2009 at 08:45

    BMW Sauber F1.09 is go go go!

    Urgh…

    Actually, it's not too bad IMHO. Livery's nice...

  • Dank20/01/2009 at 08:47

    Added photos to drop.io

  • Christine20/01/2009 at 08:56

    Added photos to drop.io

    Post coming shortly, I believe.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)20/01/2009 at 08:57

    Added photos to drop.io

    Ref: 27868P90044760_resize.jpg

    I quite like the car - not as bad as I expected. Next to the 2008 car it looks quite nice - very clean lines. Still a bit out of proportion though :-(