For the second month in a row, we are faced with a Friday 13th. At least it's a Friday though. Testing has finished now for this week, and we are still trying to come to terms with what we've seen. Here are some of the things we have been discussing:

  • Journeyer posed an interesting question in the comments yesterday, which is more surprising - Brawn being at the top or McLaren being at the bottom? Opinions were mixed, so I'd like to hear yours.
  • France has finally decided on which track they would like to use for a Grand Prix. Of course, they have to get the thing up to standard and present it to Bernie as a viable option. It hasn't been touched by the hands of Tilke, so it is already in our favour.
  • We're also discussing the options of how to get all the bits of junk out of space, because we're worried about the people in the ISS. It seems like a serious accident is going to happen soon. I'm in favour of a big magnet, but if anyone has any other ideas, we'd like to hear them. NASA don't seem to be coming up with anything, but I'm sure the Sidepodcommunity can.

That's it for now. As ever, on a Friday, let us know your plans for the weekend. If you're up to anything exciting, we especially want to know, but either way, feel free to share. I'll see you in the comments.

513 responses

  • Dan Brunell13/03/2009 at 00:15

    We’re also discussing the options of how to get all the bits of junk out of space, because we’re worried about the people in the ISS. It seems like a serious accident is going to happen soon. I’m in favour of a big magnet, but if anyone has any other ideas, we’d like to hear them. NASA don’t seem to be coming up with anything, but I’m sure the Sidepodcommunity can.

    How about we increase the rotation of the earth, therefor increasing the centrical force if the earth, thus increasing the decay of their orbit and have them fall back to earth faster to burn in the atmosphere.

  • Dan Brunell13/03/2009 at 00:20

    France has finally decided on which track they would like to use for a Grand Prix. Of course, they have to get the thing up to standard and present it to Bernie as a viable option. It hasn’t been touched by the hands of Tilke, so it is already in our favour.

    I think they should redevelop Montlhéry. It is just sitting there rotting away in the Paris outskirts. True, they couldn't use the same track design but there is enough room to put a grand prix track on the grounds.

  • Pat W13/03/2009 at 00:27

    I think they should redevelop Montlhéry. It is just sitting there rotting away in the Paris outskirts. True, they couldn’t use the same track design but there is enough room to put a grand prix track on the grounds.

    Aerial photo. Lots of development room.

    I love the internet.

  • Pat W13/03/2009 at 00:27

    Aerial photo. Lots of development room.

    I love the internet.

    Sorry that didn't seem to work, it puts you in central Paris. I'll try again in a sec.

  • Al13/03/2009 at 00:32

    How about we increase the rotation of the earth, therefor increasing the centrical force if the earth, thus increasing the decay of their orbit and have them fall back to earth faster to burn in the atmosphere.

    It is friction with the atmosphere that causes the orbit to decay so, if anything, I think increasing the rotational speed would cause debris to stay up longer.

  • Pat W13/03/2009 at 00:33

    Sorry that didn’t seem to work, it puts you in central Paris. I’ll try again in a sec.

    Try this.

  • Alianora La Canta13/03/2009 at 00:34

    Plus it means our days would be shorter :(

  • Al13/03/2009 at 00:37

    Plus it means our days would be shorter :(

    But there would be extra days in the year. They could be new holidays

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 00:41

    BATracer qualifying did not go well

    1 - (11 min)

    Qualifying 1:20.027 "Car didn't deliver the speed."

    2 - (20 min)

    Qualifying 1:20.884 "Almost spun but held on."

    3 - (40 min)

    Qualifying "Vehicle damaged following off-track caper."

    4 - (56 min)

    Qualifying

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 00:46

    How about we increase the rotation of the earth, therefor increasing the centrical force if the earth, thus increasing the decay of their orbit and have them fall back to earth faster to burn in the atmosphere.

    There is the small question of how that is to be achieved.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 00:48

    I think they should redevelop Montlhéry. It is just sitting there rotting away in the Paris outskirts. True, they couldn’t use the same track design but there is enough room to put a grand prix track on the grounds.

    There was some talk of that a couple of years ago.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 00:49

    Plus it means our days would be shorter

    Races would be more frequent

  • Nathan13/03/2009 at 01:07

    A giant butterfly net.

    What?

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 01:12

    A giant butterfly net.

    Seems like a good idea.

    The other option is an accurate shoe throwing device http://www.sockandawe.com/

  • Dan Brunell13/03/2009 at 02:45

    A giant butterfly net.

    What?

    How about a giant space mounted laser gun?

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 02:53

    How about a laser gun?

    Sharks with laser guns?

  • 2008 Sidepodcastland Champions Jordan F113/03/2009 at 02:59

    France has finally decided on which track they would like to use for a Grand Prix. Of course, they have to get the thing up to standard and present it to Bernie as a viable option. It hasn’t been touched by the hands of Tilke, so it is already in our favour.

    Not being in Europe kind of puts me at a disadvantage here, but does not Euro-Disneyland have a race track? It can not be any more "Mickey Mouse" than Magny-Cours.....

    Now, if you want white-knuckle racing, use the old circuit at Rouen-Les-Essarts, and use whatever legal loophole Monaco uses to get past today's silly safety standards...

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 03:04

    There was talk of a track being built at EuroDisney but I don't think it was ever built.

  • Bootneck13/03/2009 at 08:47

    Just tell Bernie he's got the TV rights to all the space junk, he'll have it scooped up in no time, just so no-one else gets a look in!!!!!

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 09:23

    My colleague just came in and said:

    "Morning, no red nose?"

    I must have stared at her blankly for at least two minutes. D'oh.

  • Bootneck13/03/2009 at 09:24

    I've got a red nose, but that's what man flu does for you!

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 09:26

    I’ve got a red nose, but that’s what man flu does for you!

    Awww.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 10:25

    I must have stared at her blankly for at least two minutes. D’oh.

    aww. I've got the brightest pair of red heels on and a small RND09 badge. No red nose though. I'm at school late AGAIN tonight as i have to help with all the set moving for our musical next week, plus i've gotta go in all day sunday to do all the lighting and go over all the tech. Not sure i'm going to make it to monday :/ however it's warm and sunny today which is nice :D

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 10:29

    I’m at school late AGAIN tonight as i have to help with all the set moving for our musical next week, plus i’ve gotta go in all day sunday to do all the lighting and go over all the tech. Not sure i’m going to make it to monday :/

    Crikey. Ever think like you might be taking on too much?

  • lou13/03/2009 at 10:34

    Crikey. Ever think like you might be taking on too much?

    yeah, funny you say that, hence why i had to give up on my photography Alevel. Although that's all good now. It's just a busy time of year for all this kinda thing. I can't really get out of the tech things though as, well, i'm one of the only people that know how to do it. All tech things are basically over by Saturday evening though, which is good. my problem is i kinda like being busy.. i'm my own worse enemy :)

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 10:35

    my problem is i kinda like being busy.. i’m my own worse enemy :)

    Much better than being bored though :)

  • lou13/03/2009 at 10:40

    Much better than being bored though :)

    very true :)

  • lou13/03/2009 at 10:44

    i wonder why this computer doesn't like the doohickey anymore and prefers to show me some strange version of the ye olde commenting. it was fine yesterday.

    anyway, i'll probably pop by later at some point ;) have a nice day everyone!

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 10:47

    Morning all, what's occurring?

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 10:47

    Morning all, what’s occurring?

    All quiet today. Just discussing the fact I forgot it was Red Nose Day.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 10:49
  • Christine13/03/2009 at 10:53

    Anyone seen this yet?

    They're admitting it?? Unheard of!

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 10:53

    They’re admitting it?? Unheard of!

    I know, we wouldn't have got that with Ron!

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 10:54

    I know, we wouldn’t have got that with Ron!

    Just two days ago he said it was all fine, pay no attention to testing results.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 10:56

    Just two days ago he said it was all fine, pay no attention to testing results.

    It's all beginning to look an awful lot like 2004.

  • Journeyer13/03/2009 at 10:59

    It’s all beginning to look an awful lot like 2004.

    Except that with no in-season testing, it'll be THAT MUCH tougher to produce a good B-car and be competitive. They have to get it right NOW.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 11:03

    Except that with no in-season testing, it’ll be THAT MUCH tougher to produce a good B-car and be competitive. They have to get it right NOW.

    Whitmarsh seems to have the talking-to-the-media-lingo down already

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73695

    Not sure I'm convinced though.

  • Bootneck13/03/2009 at 11:08

    Norbert Haug's on REuters saying that the MP/4/"$ is too slow. And thats the guy that put the engine in it....

  • Dank13/03/2009 at 11:13

    James Allen reckons we should all take a punt on Brawn winning in Melbourne: http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/get-your-money-on-brawn-for-melbourne-win/

    '...so stunning was the Brawn’s pace in Barcelona, it has caused all the F1 teams to completely revise their targets for the season. As I write this, there are briefings going on in all the team’s factories as the full impact of the Barcelona data sinks in.'

    I still remain pretty sceptical. But then, I'm a conspiracy theorist who walks around with a tin-foil hat on all day...

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 11:13

    So, Button for the championship then? ;)

  • Dank13/03/2009 at 11:17

    I wonder if Alonso has any regrets about not joining Honda at the end of last season? :-D

  • toxicfusion13/03/2009 at 11:21

    "Renault boss Flavio Briatore has complained that rival teams are flouting the spirit of Formula 1’s rules with controversial diffuser designs – and warned that his team may lodge an official protest at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix."

    http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45259

    Can someone explaing to me what the fuss is actually about?

  • Journeyer13/03/2009 at 11:24

    Can someone explaing to me what the fuss is actually about?

    Erm... that the Renault is ugly AND slow?

    Just pointing out the obvious... :D

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 11:26

    Can someone explaing to me what the fuss is actually about?

    The article does, I think:

    "Williams and Toyota raised eyebrows when they unveiled their 2009 cars, which use creative shaping of the rear crash structure to effectively extend the diffuser’s central section beyond the new 175mm height limit, thereby generating more rear downforce."

    However, we all pretty much believe the fuss is really that he's annoyed did not think of it himself.

  • me13/03/2009 at 11:30

    However, we all pretty much believe the fuss is really that he’s annoyed did not think of it himself.

    i'm also thinking, he's covering himself for the moment everybody finds out that revised renault engine is uber-drivable and super-fast.

    other teams: "we can't believe we let you have a performance gain"

    flav: "i can't believe you're all using illegal diffusers"

  • toxicfusion13/03/2009 at 11:34

    I wonder if Alonso has any regrets about not joining Honda at the end of last season? :-D

    Hindsight is a great thing. Lets face it no one really knew they would have this sort of pace I doubt even they did.

    The article does, I think:

    “Williams and Toyota raised eyebrows when they unveiled their 2009 cars, which use creative shaping of the rear crash structure to effectively extend the diffuser’s central section beyond the new 175mm height limit, thereby generating more rear downforce.”

    However, we all pretty much believe the fuss is really that he’s annoyed did not think of it himself.

    Thanks, I saw it was Briatore complaining and just skimmed over the article.

  • Dank13/03/2009 at 11:41

    Lee McKenzie Brawn GP video on the Beeb: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7941029.stm

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 11:43

    I'm sitting at my desk...dressed as Arthur Dent....life is good...

  • me13/03/2009 at 11:48

    I’m sitting at my desk…dressed as Arthur Dent….life is good…

    pics?

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 11:49

    i’m also thinking, he’s covering himself for the moment everybody finds out that revised renault engine is uber-drivable and super-fast.

    other teams: “we can’t believe we let you have a performance gain”

    flav: “i can’t believe you’re all using illegal diffusers”

    Heh, good old flav.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 11:50

    Jon Waldock: 13/03/2009 at 11:43:41

    I’m sitting at my desk…dressed as Arthur Dent….life is good…

    Do you have a cup of tea?

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 11:50

    pics?

    probably not :P

    i haven't taken any, but im sure im in some somewhere, will drop if i find any

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 11:51

    Hi Sidepodcast,

    What am i up-to this weekend? well i'm actually taking part in a race at the Silverstone circuit...a running race that is. It's the, Adidas Silverstone Half Marathon - and no, i will not have to qualify on Saturday; and no, i will not have to do an installation lap; and no, i won't have to do a lap of honor afterwards...so many jokes, so little time...

    I will be on a no stop, lights to flags strategy - with a full fuel load of carbohydrate, etc...so many jokes so little time, etc... :)

    S.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 11:53

    Lee McKenzie Brawn GP video on the Beeb: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7941029.stm

    Wow, a female reporter who isn't flirting with Jenson! :)

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 11:54

    Wow, a female reporter who isn’t flirting with Jenson!

    do my eyes decieve me!?

  • me13/03/2009 at 11:54

    Wow, a female reporter who isn’t flirting with Jenson! :)

    :D

  • Jackie13/03/2009 at 11:55

    Quick hi to me and Christine. I have just seen our test page. I love it! .. and you both of course.

    Thank you so much :D :D :D made my day so it has.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 11:56

    Massa on Brawn....

    "What I can say for us (Ferrari) is that, if you took Brawn away, we are very competitive."

  • me13/03/2009 at 11:56

    Quick hi to me and Christine. I have just seen our test page. I love it! .. and you both of course.

    ahhhh. i just read your dent.

    yell when the page is public and we'll plug it like crazy ;)

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 11:58

    “What I can say for us (Ferrari) is that, if you took Brawn away, we are very competitive.”

    So, second fastest then? Who teaches these drivers to speak?!

  • Journeyer13/03/2009 at 11:58

    “What I can say for us (Ferrari) is that, if you took Brawn away, we are very competitive.”

    Who would've thought we'd see that kind of statement back in the Schumi days, eh? :P As recently as 2006, this was next-to-impossible to even consider.

  • me13/03/2009 at 12:00

    "What I can say for us (Ferrari) is that, if you took Brawn away..."

    i thought jean todt already did that?

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 12:01

    Lee McKenzie Brawn GP video on the Beeb: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7941029.stm

    Cheers dank, great to see Brawn-F1 up and ready for it!

    Lee McKenzie sounds like a bonny lass, so she does! ;)

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 12:02

    Lee McKenzie sounds like a bonny lass, so she does! ;)

    Oh lord, not another one.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 12:03

    i thought jean todt already did that?

    Ba-dum

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 12:04

    Oh lord, not another one.

    Hey, you've got David Coulthard! ;)

  • Dank13/03/2009 at 12:09

    Oh lord, not another one.

    After years of Louise Goodman, can you blame us? :-D

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 12:09

    After years of Louise Goodman, can you blame us? :-D

    Good point.

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)13/03/2009 at 12:34

    After years of Louise Goodman, can you blame us?

    I swear she had a thing going with DC and Jenson.....

    All those weekends away...

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 12:35

    After years of Louise Goodman, can you blame us?

    Ha ha haaaa! :)

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 12:37

    After years of Louise Goodman, can you blame us? :-D

    I wonder what she's going to be doing with herself for the next 8 months?

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 12:38

    I wonder what she’s going to be doing with herself for the next 8 months?

    Going for long walks...feeding the ducks, etc...

  • Dank13/03/2009 at 12:39

    I wonder what she’s going to be doing with herself for the next 8 months?

    She is most likely to be found at home, rocking away in her favourite chair, surrounded by a dozen or so cats.

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)13/03/2009 at 12:41

    I wonder what she’s going to be doing with herself for the next 8 months?

    I expect realistically to see her pop on BTCC coverage or something like that....

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 12:42

    She is most likely to be found at home, rocking away in her favourite chair, surrounded by a dozen or so cats.

    walls plastered with pictures of DC and Jenson, scowling every time Lee McKenzie comes on-screen.

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 12:43

    She is most likely to be found at home, rocking away in her favourite chair, surrounded by a dozen or so cats.

    Advertising Stanna Stair Lifts with June Whitfield...

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 12:47

    walls plastered with pictures of DC and Jenson, scowling every time Lee McKenzie comes on-screen.

    Along with Carol Vorderman after she was replaced by that young version of her on countdown...

  • me13/03/2009 at 12:58

    i cannot believe it. claire williams offered to chase jake around the a race circuit every race friday evening... and he declined!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2009/03/excitement_builds_as_season_ap.html

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 13:01

    i cannot believe it. claire williams offered to chase jake around the a race circuit every race friday evening… and he declined!

    Hehe. I also like this bit:

    Anyway, there have been stacks of people leaving messages along the lines of how excited they are about this. As much I'd love to believe it's all about the BBC, the departure of those untimely ads and the return of The Chain, it's obviously about much more than just that.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 13:48

    me: 13/03/2009 at 12:58:25

    i cannot believe it. claire williams offered to chase jake around the a race circuit every race friday evening… and he declined!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/jakehumphrey/2009/03/excitement_builds_as_season_ap.html

    He's not normal!

  • me13/03/2009 at 13:59

    He’s not normal!

    maybe it's a blog entry for his wife?

    - i'm going around the world

    - i'm not running alongside fit women in the evenings

    - i've bought a new laptop to talk to you

    - i'm installing skype

    either that or he's up for some panelling?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)13/03/2009 at 14:00

    i cannot believe it. claire williams offered to chase jake around the a race circuit every race friday evening… and he declined!

    Hehe. I also like this bit:

    Anyway, there have been stacks of people leaving messages along the lines of how excited they are about this. As much I’d love to believe it’s all about the BBC, the departure of those untimely ads and the return of The Chain, it’s obviously about much more than just that.

    That's something that really surprised me. After all the griping about the commentary, ad breaks, bias etc. on ITV, it seemed that the single most important thing that the BBC had to do for their coverage was to bring back 'The Chain'.

    Mind you, I shouldn't say too much more as 'The Chain' is my ringtone and alarm clock - and I was thinking about asking you if I could write a guest post about the song?

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 14:02

    Mind you, I shouldn’t say too much more as ‘The Chain’ is my ringtone and alarm clock - and I was thinking about asking you if I could write a guest post about the song?

    dummmm, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dummmmmm, dummmm, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dummmm

    nuff said

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 14:05

    Ok, i know every man and his dog worth their salt have seen this BBC trailer by now, but for those that haven't... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7911126.stm

    Looks like an old Jordan and an old Minardy - and even an Ice Road Trucker gets in on the act!.

    The start of The Chain at the end did start to awaken the F1 DNA that has been shackled deep down in my soul for the last few months...though. Just two-weeks to go! go! go!. Can't wait! :)

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 14:09

    maybe it’s a blog entry for his wife?

    Maybe instead he wants DC and Jenson chasing him? :D

    SidepodRumourmongers ;)

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 14:11

    dummmm, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dummmmmm, dummmm, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dummmm

    One of the first things I ever learned to play on bass :D

  • me13/03/2009 at 14:12

    a controversial statement from top gear blog on the subject of mclaren's pace:

    "...their times are also raising question marks about Lewis Hamilton’s ability to develop a brand new car. Last year he worked on tweaking the MP4-23 that Alonso had done such a good job of making fast the previous year in MP4-22 guise don’t forget."

    that's not towing the bbc line at all is it?

  • me13/03/2009 at 14:12

    a controversial statement from top gear blog on the subject of mclaren’s pace:

    a link would help:

    http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2009/03/13/brawn-again/

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)13/03/2009 at 14:13

    dummmm, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dummmmmm, dummmm, dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dummmm

    NANGANANGANANGANANGA!

    WAAAUUW-WAW, WA-WA-WA-WAAAUUW-WAW, WAAAUUW WAAAUUW WAAAUUW, WA-WA-WA-WAAAUUW WAAAUUW WAAAUUW WA-WA-WA-WAAAUUW

    Sorry, you started it so I had to finish it :-D

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)13/03/2009 at 14:15

    a controversial statement from top gear blog on the subject of mclaren’s pace:

    “…their times are also raising question marks about Lewis Hamilton’s ability to develop a brand new car. Last year he worked on tweaking the MP4-23 that Alonso had done such a good job of making fast the previous year in MP4-22 guise don’t forget.”

    that’s not towing the bbc line at all is it?

    Meh. Each to their own I guess. Pedalo does all of the grunt work anyway doesn't he???

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 14:17

    Meh. Each to their own I guess. Pedalo does all of the grunt work anyway doesn’t he???

    I wonder what the relationship between Pedro and Lewis is nowadays? Pedro was always pretty pally with Fernando after all.

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 14:19

    a controversial statement from top gear blog on the subject of mclaren’s pace:

    a link would help:

    http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2009/03/13/brawn-again/

    Ha, i was just about to put the link up myself. If you are Lewis Hamilton/McLaren fan - you better get down on your knees and pray that this is just extreme sandbagging by McLaren!.

    This will make the smile on Alonso's face so big, that if he were a Mr Man...he would be, Mr smile :)

  • Dirty Scarab13/03/2009 at 14:59

    Bookies odds for Brawn Gp to win in Oz before the Barca test: 150/1

    Odds now: 10/1

  • Alex Andronov13/03/2009 at 15:05

    I am not looking at F1 info because that would be sick and wrong of me - I am not here and I'm not reading.

    But the Brawn F1 thing made me remember something from SPC last season. Me said on the Austrialian Preview show something along the lines of, "perhaps what Super Aguri are doing is the greatest ever sandbagging effort of all time. Maybe they'll arrive in Melbourne and destroy the competition."

    Perhaps Mr C had the wrong Japanese team and the wrong year displaying when he was looking into his crystal ball!

    Anyway. See you on Sunday - I was never here!

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 15:11

    Perhaps Mr C had the wrong Japanese team and the wrong year displaying when he was looking into his crystal ball!

    He did, and I bet if it happens this year, he'll still find a way to say I told you so!! :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)13/03/2009 at 15:24

    Bookies odds for Brawn Gp to win in Oz before the Barca test: 150/1

    Odds now: 10/1

    That's just madness. Have the traders from the banks who got sacked started working in the betting industry or something?

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 15:28

    That’s just madness. Have the traders from the banks who got sacked started working in the betting industry or something?

    :)

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 15:29

    Bookies odds for Brawn Gp before the Barca test: 150/1

    Odds now: 10/1

    If i was a betting man, i'd quite happily take those odds.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)13/03/2009 at 15:32

    Bookies odds for Brawn Gp before the Barca test: 150/1

    Odds now: 10/1

    If i was a betting man, i’d quite happily take those odds.

    I was just thinking about Jenson's win. Assuming that Brawn manage to reach as high as they did last year (which would be a very large improvement, not normally seen in F1), it would take an absolutely crazy race for them to win.

    Add to that the odds of a new constructor winning their first race and it must be higher than 10/1???

  • shaun13/03/2009 at 15:35

    Bookies odds for Brawn Gp to win in Oz before the Barca test: 150/1

    Odds now: 10/1

    Maybe Ross Brawn will bet the $40million TV money on his own team winning :)

    That way he might win enough money to fund Brawn-F1 for another year...or maybe a long, long, fishing trip?.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 15:37

    Paddypower has Brawn GP to win constructors at 14-1, Jenson to win WDC at 12-1 and Barrichello 25-1.

    In comparison, Vettel is 14-1 and Kovi 28-1

  • me13/03/2009 at 15:38

    I was just thinking about Jenson’s win. Assuming that Brawn manage to reach as high as they did last year (which would be a very large improvement, not normally seen in F1), it would take an absolutely crazy race for them to win.

    melbourne will likely be a crazy race.

  • me13/03/2009 at 15:39

    He did, and I bet if it happens this year, he’ll still find a way to say I told you so!! :)

    will people please stop remembering things i said please!

  • Dirty Scarab13/03/2009 at 15:44

    I loved the interview Martin Whitmarsh gave.

    Seems that he's been getting tips from Ron on how to speak like a git.

    “In fact, it is that kind of resolute determination, coupled with expertise and experience of ultra-high technology and the ability to work accurately and quickly under pressure, that makes Formula 1 the great sport and the tremendous engineering challenge it is."

    Also the term "Chassis-centric" made me giggle...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)13/03/2009 at 15:49

    I was just thinking about Jenson’s win. Assuming that Brawn manage to reach as high as they did last year (which would be a very large improvement, not normally seen in F1), it would take an absolutely crazy race for them to win.

    melbourne will likely be a crazy race.

    Hungary 2006 crazy or just the usual crazy? If we get Melbourne 2002 then all bets are off!!!

  • Dan Brunell13/03/2009 at 15:55

    Paddypower has Brawn GP to win constructors at 14-1, Jenson to win WDC at 12-1 and Barrichello 25-1.

    In comparison, Vettel is 14-1 and Kovi 28-1

    The odds list.

    L Hamilton 3 - 1

    K Raikkonen 4 - 1

    F Massa 5 - 1

    F Alonso 5 - 1

    R Kubica 7 - 1

    J Button 12 - 1

    S Vettel 14 - 1

    N Heidfeld 22 - 1

    R Barrichello 25 - 1

    H Kovalainen 28 - 1

    M Webber 50 - 1

    T Glock 80 - 1

    J Trulli 80 - 1

    N Rosberg 100 - 1

    N Piquet 150 - 1

    S Bourdais 200 - 1

    S Buemi 250 - 1

    K Nakajima 300 - 1

    G Fisichella 300 - 1

    A Sutil 300 - 1

    At the begining of the winter, I would of taken those odds on Lewis... now. ehhh.

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)13/03/2009 at 16:02

    Seems that he’s been getting tips from Ron on how to speak like a git.

    Here here you leave Ron well alone!!

  • Dirty Scarab13/03/2009 at 16:06

    Here here you leave Ron well alone!!

    I do love Ron, but he can be so... well, Ron sometimes.

    In other news, Kovy's a porker:

    http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/11729/900/

  • RG13/03/2009 at 16:09

    In a small room somewhere in Newcastle, a small boy lets out a minor grin at the news of McLaren not being quick enough.

    Then the grin is demolished with the possibility of mind games at work

  • me13/03/2009 at 16:10

    Then the grin is demolished with the possibility of mind games at work

    massa thinks they're slow too:

    http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/03/13/mclaren-a-long-way-behind-says-massa/

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)13/03/2009 at 16:13

    I do think McLaren are slow but heigh ho that's racing! Can't dominate everyone all the time...lol!

    Now if only quick Nick can step up this year to fill the void for me!

  • me13/03/2009 at 16:15

    renault adding real-time chat to their blog next week:

    http://my.ing-renaultf1.com/en/blog/961-Your-new-companion-on-the-fan-site-.html

  • Alenyaa13/03/2009 at 16:16

    I remembersomebody talking about the old black and yellow livery of Renault a few days ago. Then I found this.

    I like!

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/renault-what-if-jpg

  • RG13/03/2009 at 16:18

    Am in ultimate joy right now. My online team just got our first ever pole, and it was at the guys home race in Zandvoort. Get in!

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 16:19

    renault adding real-time chat to their blog next week:

    Wow! Renault, like, totally get it! :)

  • Alenyaa13/03/2009 at 16:22

    I just went to look at some pictures of the Barcelona testing session and I'm surprised having to admit that the new look of most cars is starting to grow on me.

    Granted, many changes have been made since we saw BMW, Ferrari and the likes debut their new cars, but still, I never thought they'd be able to make their cars look this good (relatively speaking).

    I think the Brawn GP cars are the best looking cars on the grid by far. I also like the McLaren, the Williams and the Ferrari. Hate the Renault and the BMW though. Toyota look hideous from up front.

    What do you guys think?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 16:26

    I think the Brawn GP cars are the best looking cars on the grid by far. I also like the McLaren, the Williams and the Ferrari. Hate the Renault and the BMW though. Toyota look hideous from up front.

    Ferrari - Alright

    McLaren - Alright, not to keen on those arrows though, but mweh

    BMW - Rubbish, too much white, throw some more blue on it.

    Renault - Poor, too much white, bring back yellow and blue

    Toyota - Not bad actually

    Williams - Ruined a good testing livery by adding white

    Toro Rosso - I love it

    Red Bull - Ditto

    Brawn GP - Rather dull, I knoe they dont have sponsors, but they could spice it up a bit

    Force India - Better than last year at least.

    My thoughts on the liveries.

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)13/03/2009 at 16:27

    I like all the new cars apart from the Ferrari

    It looks stunning from a low side on kinda swerving round a corner style shot but seeing it front on it's horrid.

    The best looking at the mo for me is probably the Red Bull

  • Alenyaa13/03/2009 at 16:32

    My thoughts on the liveries.

    Ah, sorry, I wasn't talking about liveries. I meant chassis. The shape of the car :)

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 16:33

    http://sundayafternoonclub.blogs.topgear.com/2009/03/13/top-gear-grand-prix-09/

    anyone seen this?!?!?!?!

  • RG13/03/2009 at 16:34

    Ah, sorry, I wasn’t talking about liveries. I meant chassis. The shape of the car

    I know, I needed a place to moan. All I moan about is the livery, the chassis mean nowt to me.

  • Alenyaa13/03/2009 at 16:35

    I know, I needed a place to moan.

    Oh I see :D

  • RCC (aka Rockingcopsecorner)13/03/2009 at 16:37

    Good idea RG!!

    Ferrari - U G L Y you aint got no alibi, you ugly

    McLaren - Thought it was the best until I saw those exhaust ducts,

    BMW - Bland colouring, lovely body work shape

    Renault - Apart from the nose I really like it this year

    Toyota - Ugly head on but great otherwise

    Williams - Why change the livery?!! It was perfect before (ie testing livery)

    Toro Rosso - It's tasty

    Red Bull - Fantastic looking car, great wings and sidepods. I don't usually like RBR but they got my vote this year (well if Webber manages not to whine as per usual)

    Brawn GP - Reminds me of the cars they put in the background on the Official F1 website (the none team branded ones) - Needs colour to make a proper judgement but liking the body so far

    Force India - A big step up, now it doesn't look like a poor mans McLaren

  • Alenyaa13/03/2009 at 16:44

    BMW - lovely body work shape

    Renault - Apart from the nose I really like it this year

    How anyone can like those two cars is beyond me :-P

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 17:17

    That’s something that really surprised me. After all the griping about the commentary, ad breaks, bias etc. on ITV, it seemed that the single most important thing that the BBC had to do for their coverage was to bring back ‘The Chain’.

    You'd think it was more important then them actually showing the races, the way it's been reported!

  • me13/03/2009 at 17:21

    You’d think it was more important then them actually showing the races, the way it’s been reported!

    agreed.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 17:27

    Anyone seen this yet?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7941572.stm

    Woah! You don't hear that from a championship defending team very often!

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 17:37

    Good god I'm bored today.

    I've even going through all the really old rubbish on the sky box...

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 17:56

    Oh joy - the other half is off to India tomorrow for 2 weeks.

    Last minute business trip as the person who was going to go is ill.

    Is Pizza for 2 weeks a healthy diet?

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 17:58

    Is Pizza for 2 weeks a healthy diet?

    Just vary whats on it and thats perfectly healthy

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 18:17

    I’ve even going through all the really old rubbish on the sky box…

    I'm waiting on Catchphrase at 8.00!

  • Rich13/03/2009 at 18:25

    There is a cute little dog here in South Africa that is all excited about Jenson Button and the new BRAWN GP she watched the entire video on the BBC site barking enthusiastically. Last year during GP time she was mostly found sulking in the kitchen cupboard under the sink (especially when Jenson's Honda went up in flames!)

    Although my favourite teams are BMW and STR if BRAWN GP annihilated every other teams all through the season I would love it (and to know what Honda senior management made of it!)

    They BRAWN may well be light and Macca sandbagging but one can only wish these tests are confirmed during the entire season with winning results. At least confidence has been restored for all at Brackley.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 18:32

    I’m waiting on Catchphrase at 8.00!

    There's something else on at 8pm but I don't wanna go in another which sport is better row again ;)

  • me13/03/2009 at 18:43

    There’s something else on at 8pm but I don’t wanna go in another which sport is better row again ;)

    footballs better than catchphrase?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 18:44

    footballs better than catchphrase?

    It's not football.

  • Dank13/03/2009 at 18:44

    footballs better than catchphrase?

    That's good, but it's not the right answer.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 18:45

    footballs better than catchphrase?

    Nothing is better than Catchphrase.

  • me13/03/2009 at 18:45

    That’s good, but it’s not the right answer.

    :D

  • RG13/03/2009 at 18:45

    Nothing is better than Catchphrase.

    Not even, Formula 1?

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 18:46

    Not even, Formula 1?

    Only if Roy Walker was commentating.

  • me13/03/2009 at 18:47

    Only if Roy Walker was commentating.

    that would never work.

    if i have to say what i see, then i see a fast brawny and a slow macca. but that can't be the right answer because it's just wrong!

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 18:48

    Only if Roy Walker was commentating.

    He would've been great with Murray...

    "And it's Hill! No... it's Villeneuve going past in the Williams.

    I'm sorry Murray but I'm going to have to take your first answer!"

  • RG13/03/2009 at 18:48

    Only if Roy Walker was commentating.

    I have know just got the Churchill advert.

    Never seen Catchphrase in my life.

  • Bootneck13/03/2009 at 18:48

    I know what ya mean Flibster. I trawl thru channel 442 on sky and record all the old GP's then watch them during the close season. yesterday during bout's of boredom I watched the whole of the 1973 F1 season.... ahh they were the days. Still got 74 to 80 to watch and thats before 29th March.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 18:50

    I trawl thru channel 442 on sky and record all the old GP’s then watch them during the close season. yesterday during bout’s of boredom I watched the whole of the 1973 F1 season…. ahh they were the days. Still got 74 to 80 to watch and thats before 29th March.

    ESPN Classic = Best Channel Ever

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 18:50

    Never seen Catchphrase in my life.

    You are missing out my friend.

  • me13/03/2009 at 18:51

    ESPN Classic = Best Channel Ever

    really? i never heard a good thing about it. please do tell.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 18:53

    really? i never heard a good thing about it. please do tell.

    I don't know, just the fact that there is usually a lot of football matches and old stuff like that on it that I like to watch. Say the other week, managed to watch the 5-4 against Arsenal where I couldn't really anywhere else.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:08

    That’s something that really surprised me. After all the griping about the commentary, ad breaks, bias etc. on ITV, it seemed that the single most important thing that the BBC had to do for their coverage was to bring back ‘The Chain’.

    If you look at all the discussion when it was announced that BBC had done the deal two things were top of the list of wants by a long way. First The Chain and second Brundle.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:09

    Ha, i was just about to put the link up myself. If you are Lewis Hamilton/McLaren fan - you better get down on your knees and pray that this is just extreme sandbagging by McLaren!.

    When the green flag drops the bullsh*t stops. Until then I don't believe anything.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 19:13

    really? i never heard a good thing about it. please do tell.

    Normally full of football - but occasionally has Murray commentated F1 races from pre-1990 :D

    Good looking cars and proper commentating.

    Got a couple of Silverstone races to watch in there at the moment, one of which commentated by Jackie Stewart. :D

  • me13/03/2009 at 19:20

    When the green flag drops the bullsh*t stops. Until then I don’t believe anything.

    i would like it stated for the record that i'm not buying that mclaren are slow, or that brawny are fast. i may have to phone in my predictions to skype shortly ;)

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:24

    I had a read of the new look Autosport and one thing made a bigger impression on me that anything else in the mag and it was not a good impression.

    I have never heard of Ben Anderson and frankly if I never read anything else he writes I won't mind a bit. For some reason Autosport sent him to test an Aston Martin GT car. Not the Le Mans car which Tomas Enge completely trashed by crashing at Signes. Not a place to have a crash. Mr Anderson was sent to try out a GT car that looked like a normal Aston Martin. Normally I love articles like that where someone who is not a professional racer drives a car and gives you their impression of it. Unfortunately Ben seems to think he is 12 years old and his only frame of reference for Aston Martin is James Bond and Timothy Dalton's Bond at that. Who in their right mind would pick the awful Dalton? The first 6 or 7 paragraphs are filled with infantile Bond references. For all I know so is the rest of the article but I couldn;t force myself to read any further.

    If Autosport wants to continue to be taken seriously I suggest they find an adult to edit Ben's further writings. or they could do the decent thing and fire him.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 19:24

    Just finished the last episode on the last disk of the last series of The West Wing. Been watching them fron thevery first episode as I'd never seen them before.

    Awsome series. One of the best written and acted series I've seen in a very long time.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:24

    i would like it stated for the record that i’m not buying that mclaren are slow, or that brawny are fast. i may have to phone in my predictions to skype shortly

    I was going to phone my predictions earlier in the week but unfortunately I haven't a clue what I think will happen.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 19:26

    Just finished the last episode on the last disk of the last series of The West Wing. Been watching them fron thevery first episode as I’d never seen them before.

    Awsome series. One of the best written and acted series I’ve seen in a very long time.

    congratulations my friend, great feeling isnt it!?

    i watched it all the way through....loved it so much....i started it again....now im on series 5 of the second time round....

  • RG13/03/2009 at 19:26

    I was going to phone my predictions earlier in the week but unfortunately I haven’t a clue what I think will happen.

    I was gonna joke and say 'Webber-Buemi-Fisichella' but now I don't know and that might be the truth.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 19:27

    Awsome series. One of the best written and acted series I’ve seen in a very long time.

    Speaking off good TV series, does anyone here watch 30 Rock? Five USA are (finally) showing the second series at the moment, it's on tonight at 9.00 I think.

    As for F1 predictions, I have never had less of an idea what is likely to happen than I do now. Pretty exciting really!

  • me13/03/2009 at 19:28

    If Autosport wants to continue to be taken seriously I suggest they find an adult to edit Ben’s further writings. or they could do the decent thing and fire him.

    *places wallet back in pocket*

    thank you.

  • Dirty Scarab13/03/2009 at 19:37

    Massa spills the beans:

    "No one can do the same times (as Brawn GP). Everyone was using less fuel, not only them. But their times were much faster than those that anyone else could do."

    He also said the following in regards to his own team:

    "Before Barcelona we were one of the quickest on the circuit, we were very competitive, in the leading pack. Now we're competitive, but behind Brawn."

    I'm sure Ferrari bosses won't be happy that he's so vocal about fuel loads. But then again it could be more of them mind games...

  • lou13/03/2009 at 19:39

    “Before Barcelona we were one of the quickest on the circuit, we were very competitive, in the leading pack. Now we’re competitive, but behind Brawn.”

    if that's true that will make my year! which after the stress that has been this friday 13th and so far January and Feb, would be an achievement.

  • Dirty Scarab13/03/2009 at 19:43

    Friday 13th

    Arrggghh! I didn't even realize. Now something's going to go wrong :)

    It is looking good for them though isn't it?

    The cherry on top would be if they have Wurz back as their tester. I have a man-crush on Wurz :D

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:43

    *places wallet back in pocket*

    That was only a page and a half of what was a generally good magazine. There are quite a few really good articles in it but right now the thing at the front of my mind is someons's 12 year old fantasy of bein Timothy Dalton.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 19:46

    Speaking as an entirely heterosexual male, damn Tennant looks good.

    The cherry on top would be if they have Wurz back as their tester. I have a man-crush on Wurz :D

    There is a lot of man-love here tonight!

  • lou13/03/2009 at 19:47

    It is looking good for them though isn’t it?

    i refuse to celebrate, the most i'm allowing myself is a smile and a 'woot' cause it's just been 4 days of testing.... i'll believe it when i see them race/ quali.. :P

  • RG13/03/2009 at 19:48

    There is a lot of man-love here tonight!

    Can't go wrong with Chris Gunter, F1 wise, I do have a little one on Timo Glock.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 19:48

    Speaking as an entirely heterosexual male, damn Tennant looks good.

    eeekkk.... have just turned on the tv... he certainly made me smile. i'm liking the white suit :)

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:49

    i refuse to celebrate, the most i’m allowing myself is a smile and a ‘woot’ cause it’s just been 4 days of testing…. i’ll believe it when i see them race/ quali.. :P

    I think you can safely believe that they are going to have a far better season than the last two and they are going to be at worst around the bottom of the points places.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 19:52

    I think you can safely believe that they are going to have a far better season than the last two and they are going to be at worst around the bottom of the points places.

    that would be amazing. i really can't wait till the 27th march, it's going to be such a great day.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 19:53

    that would be amazing. i really can’t wait till the 27th march, it’s going to be such a great day.

    Thats a Friday, and I think my day may consist of English, French and Science.

  • Dirty Scarab13/03/2009 at 19:55

    Can’t go wrong with Chris Gunter, F1 wise, I do have a little one on Timo Glock.

    Shall we break out the Village People costumes?

    On a more serious note: One thing of concern about Brawn though is that they were the only team using their OZ aero package in testing. The other teams will probably close the gap quick enough when they get their aero updates.

  • Jackie13/03/2009 at 19:55

    i really can’t wait till the 27th march, it’s going to be such a great day.

    What would be your dream scenario for the race at Melbourne. Who would you love to do well .. or even, who wouldn't you be disappointed to see at the back of the pack?

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 19:56

    What would be your dream scenario for the race at Melbourne. Who would you love to do well .. or even, who wouldn’t you be disappointed to see at the back of the pack?

    Rubens 1st, Jenson 2nd, Alonso or Vettel 3rd :D

    one can only hope...

  • Jackie13/03/2009 at 19:56

    Thats a Friday, and I think my day may consist of English, French and Science.

    Did you get your Science exam results today RG?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 19:56

    Shall we break out the Village People costumes?

    The less you remind people, the more they forget.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 19:57

    that would be amazing. i really can’t wait till the 27th march, it’s going to be such a great day.

    It can't come soon enough.

    I didn't realise until today that the race doesn't start until 7 am this year. Half the excitement was always getting up at 5 in the morning for all the build up!

  • Jackie13/03/2009 at 19:57

    The less you remind people, the more they forget.

    YMCA YMCA run! :)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 19:57

    Did you get your Science exam results today RG?

    Yeah. A and a B, which I'm happy with. A for core which was dead easy and B for the much harder additional.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 19:57

    Thats a Friday, and I think my day may consist of English, French and Science.

    it's the last day of term for us, plus i'm off to a history conference in london.

  • Jackie13/03/2009 at 19:58

    Yeah. A and a B, which I’m happy with. A for core which was dead easy and B for the much harder additional.

    Well done you :D congratulations

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:58

    The less you remind people, the more they forget.

    Remind people of what?

  • Dirty Scarab13/03/2009 at 19:58

    New toilets at Donnington. Hurray! (The old ones were 'orrible)

    http://www.donington-park.co.uk/files/pdf/toilet_blocks.pdf

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 19:58

    I didn’t realise until today that the race doesn’t start until 7 am this year. Half the excitement was always getting up at 5 in the morning for all the build up!

    I am sure there will be a Parade Lap show before the race.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 19:58

    it’s the last day of term for us, plus i’m off to a history conference in london.

    We've got half of the week after as far as I'm aware

    Well done you :D congratulations

    Thanks

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 19:59

    New toilets at Donnington. Hurray! (The old ones were ‘orrible)

    I do love a good toilet based PDF.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 19:59

    I am sure there will be a Parade Lap show before the race.

    I missed last year when I Sky+ the race and watched it as soon as I got up, that way you missed all the ads too.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 19:59

    I am sure there will be a Parade Lap show before the race.

    Yep, we have arranged it for them. ;)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:01

    Yep, we have arranged it for them. ;)

    Just turn up two hours early and go on tangent after tangent.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:01

    What would be your dream scenario for the race at Melbourne. Who would you love to do well .. or even, who wouldn’t you be disappointed to see at the back of the pack?

    well.... my amazingly unrealistic dream would be

    1. Jenson

    2. Alonso

    3. Rubens

    4. Vettel

    5. Massa

    6. Webber

    7.Nico

    8 Kimi

    that's just off the top of my head though :)

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 20:01

    Oh hello, F1.com site redesign. Mostly the same as before, just with added red.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:02

    Yeah. A and a B, which I’m happy with. A for core which was dead easy and B for the much harder additional.

    Well done R.G that's awesome!!! Congrats

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:02

    that’s just off the top of my head though :)

    What a rubbish list. ;)

  • Jackie13/03/2009 at 20:02

    What a rubbish list. ;)

    Oii!!! I thought that was not bad

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:02

    Oh hello, F1.com site redesign. Mostly the same as before, just with added red.

    Insert FIA and Ferrari joke here

    Well done R.G that’s awesome!!! Congrats

    Thanks lou

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:03

    Oii!!! I thought that was not bad

    I mean not a single BMW driver. Just shocking. ;)

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 20:03

    Insert FIA and Ferrari joke here

    They're making it too easy for us now.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 20:03

    Insert FIA and Ferrari joke here

    looks like an awesome picture behind it, i wish i could get it :D

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:03

    I mean not a single BMW driver. Just shocking. ;)

    oh god, they didn't even cross my mind....

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 20:05

    oh god, they didn’t even cross my mind….

    *ducks*

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 20:05

    Oh hello, F1.com site redesign. Mostly the same as before, just with added red.

    A few too many gallerys perhaps?

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 20:06

    What would be your dream scenario for the race at Melbourne. Who would you love to do well .. or even, who wouldn’t you be disappointed to see at the back of the pack?

    1st - Jenson

    2nd - Vettel

    3rd - Kubica

    I'd love those guys to have a three way battle for the championship.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 20:07

    What would be your dream scenario for the race at Melbourne. Who would you love to do well .. or even, who wouldn’t you be disappointed to see at the back of the pack?

    Brawn 1-2! Brawn 1-2!

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:09

    Brawn 1-2! Brawn 1-2!

    lol :)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:09

    I’d love those guys to have a three way battle for the championship.

    1) Nicky

    2) Robert

    Everyone else to be involved in a start line crash starting with Hamilton slamming into Alonso, causing 11 cars to go into him. Then Jenson Button's engine goes (soz lou) with Massa spinning in the oil causing another pile up leaving only Nick and Robert finishing.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 20:09

    A great thing about a Melbourne 1-2 for Brawn would be they'd get more points in that one race than the entire past 2 seperate championships as Honda.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 20:10

    Then Jenson Button’s engine goes (soz lou)

    A Mercedes engine? Nooo...

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:11

    A Mercedes engine? Nooo…

    Have they said when its from? Might be from 2006?

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 20:11

    Everyone else to be involved in a start line crash starting with Hamilton slamming into Alonso, causing 11 cars to go into him. Then Jenson Button’s engine goes (soz lou) with Massa spinning in the oil causing another pile up leaving only Nick and Robert finishing.

    didnt see that one coming ;)

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:13

    Then Jenson Button’s engine goes (soz lou)

    meh it will never happen. :)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:13

    didnt see that one coming ;)

    All right, Glock third.

  • Joe13/03/2009 at 20:13

    I agree with the sentiments echoing a Brawn 1-2, either driver winning would please me greatly. Vettel 3rd also. Buemi, Bourdais and Sutil to score points please.

  • Joe13/03/2009 at 20:14

    Lou, Skype shortly?

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:15

    Lou, Skype shortly?

    am watching RND with rents. soz. :(

  • Joe13/03/2009 at 20:15

    I'm doing the same. Robbie's doing a Little Britain sketch tonight : O

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 20:16

    This outnumbered is pretty funny, never seen it before. BBC comedies are usually bit... meh but this is good!

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 20:16

    Buemi, Bourdais and Sutil to score points please.

    I really hope Bourdais has a decent season, he deserved far better lest year.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 20:17

    This outnumbered is pretty funny, never seen it before. BBC comedies are usually bit… meh but this is good!

    It's my favourite comedy series!!

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:17

    This outnumbered is pretty funny, never seen it before. BBC comedies are usually bit… meh but this is good!

    outnumbered is great :)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:17

    This outnumbered is pretty funny, never seen it before. BBC comedies are usually bit… meh but this is good!

    I know, might start watching it, but there is someone with a gooners top on.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 20:17

    I know, might start watching it, but there is someone with a gooners top on.

    it was going so well :D

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 20:26

    Harry's impression of Deborah meaden is so insulting but brilliantly evil. Love it.

    The dragon's den stuff in general is always great but I'm a fan of the show so it would be I suppose.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:27

    Won me back with Paul Whitehouse, Spurs fan y'see ;)

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 20:28

    Reckon Lewis will pop up in a Comic Relief video anywhere? Can't beat charity for a bit of publicity, and Vodaphone never like to miss a bit of free advertising.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 20:28

    This outnumbered is pretty funny, never seen it before. BBC comedies are usually bit… meh but this is good!

    Outnumbered is worth watching. Those kids are so funny.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:29

    Outnumbered is worth watching. Those kids are so funny.

    i think i read somewhere that the cast only actually have a few lines, the rest is improvised.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:29

    Reckon Lewis will pop up in a Comic Relief video anywhere? Can’t beat charity for a bit of publicity, and Vodaphone never like to miss a bit of free advertising.

    Won't doubt it.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 20:29

    Man love going Mr Tennants way :P

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:30

    i think i read somewhere that the cast only actually have a few lines, the rest is improvised.

    If thats the case, those kids are pretty damn talented

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 20:30

    i think i read somewhere that the cast only actually have a few lines, the rest is improvised.

    if that's true that's great especially for the kids although they surely have a few lines to work off. The main guy (forgot his name...)is a stand up comic though and brilliant on mock the week so i'm not surprised :D

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:30

    Man love going Mr Tennants way :P

    Do you like/love Johnathan Ross?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:31

    The main guy (forgot his name…;)is a stand up comic though and brilliant on mock the week so i’m not surprised :D

    Hugh Dennis, on the Now Show as well, brilliant.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:34

    If thats the case, those kids are pretty damn talented

    i know it's wikipedia but - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outnumbered

    just as i thought, it's semi improvised :)

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 20:36

    i know it’s wikipedia but - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outnumbered

    just as i thought, it’s semi improvised :)

    I always thought it was very well scripted bt I guess with the limits on how long the kids can work that wouldn't be possible. Also the kids are not polished they come across as being natural.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 20:40

    I always thought it was very well scripted bt I guess with the limits on how long the kids can work that wouldn’t be possible. Also the kids are not polished they come across as being natural.

    Have tried to work out which bits are scripted and which are not before. Even if you know, it can be very hard to tell.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 20:45

    Little Britain

    when are they going to just stop?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 20:46

    when are they going to just stop?

    sadly, it doesnt look like soon

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 20:47

    sadly, it doesnt look like soon

    usually i like it, that was decidedly rubbish though

  • lou13/03/2009 at 20:48

    wow they are using lots of coldplay and sigur ros tonight. :)

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 20:49

    wow they are using lots of coldplay and sigur ros tonight. :)

    was just thinking this. Hopeing for another certain band to pop up soon in the background ;)

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 21:06

    Ah-ha. Comic Relief. Have I missed much?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:07

    Ah-ha. Comic Relief. Have I missed much?

    Outnumbered = Brilliant.

    Apart from a rubbish Little Britain sketch, been alreet.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 21:07

    Ah-ha. Comic Relief. Have I missed much?

    you missed david tennant....

  • Rich13/03/2009 at 21:07

    What would be your dream scenario for the race at Melbourne. Who would you love to do well .. or even, who wouldn’t you be disappointed to see at the back of the pack?

    1 - Nick - OK I admit it the only driver I really have any sort of man-crush

    2 - Rubens - to restore his confidence

    3 - Jenson - my dog has a lady-crush on him

    4 - DeSeb - he is a really good driver - also my second favourite driver

    5 - Nico - to start the season good for Williams and my third favourite driver

    6 - Timo - so everyone can forget Brazil - my fourth favourite driver

    7 - Adrian - so FIF1 beats Macca - my fifth favourite driver

    8 - Sébastien Buemi - to get points in his first F1 race

    You see I have no bias toward German drivers!

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:09

    my fifth favourite driver

    Do you get them in lists and put them in orger?

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 21:09

    you missed david tennant….

    David Tennant as Doctor Who or himself?

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 21:09

    Have tried to work out which bits are scripted and which are not before. Even if you know, it can be very hard to tell.

    I guess the bits with the kids arguing with the parents is improvised and anything with ony adults is scripted but beyond that who knows.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 21:10

    David Tennant as Doctor Who or himself?

    himself. with the Scottish accent and everything :P

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:10

    David Tennant as Doctor Who or himself?

    Himself, done well on Mastermind on Dr Who

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 21:15

    Himself, done well on Mastermind on Dr Who

    I see.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 21:16

    Himself, done well on Mastermind on Dr Who

    he wasnt up against much! Davina was rubbish

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 21:17

    he wasnt up against much! Davina was rubbish

    What was her subject?

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 21:17

    What a lot of drivel...

    Comic Relief used to be funny....

  • Rich13/03/2009 at 21:17

    Do you get them in lists and put them in orger?

    Yes for my fantasy racers - my choice is based on pure emotion and sometimes who is the under-dog. Incidentally Jenson is sixth - just to show I have not totally excluded the Brits. That is as far as it goes I think - I guess Fernando could be seventh and Jarno eight. Lewis is bottom of the list - the rest unordered.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 21:17

    What was her subject?

    Big Brother! LOL

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 21:22

    Comic Relief used to be funny….

    It's too planned now. They would be better going back to Lenny Henry, Griff Rhys-Jones and total chaos. TV presenters and actors are not funny. Comedians are. You would think Comic Relief could figure that out.

    If they want a change let Frankie Boyle and Rhod Gilbert host it and give them a free reign. That would be funny. It may end up being taken off the air but it would be funny.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:23

    If they want a change let Frankie Boyle and Rhod Gilbert host it and give them a free reign. That would be funny. It may end up being taken off the air but it would be funny.

    Maybe the after 10 one might work for that.

  • Rich13/03/2009 at 21:24

    If it were a Brawn 1-2 I would celebrate hugely. I have really felt for the team and frankly Honda management - their heart might have been in the right place but nothing else was connected to it.

    I sort of admire Felipe and Fernando for being so open it does show an element of yes they BRAWN GPare doing really well. I still think Macca are sandbagging. If they had big problems they would have done more laps to identify the problems.

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 21:24

    It’s too planned now. They would be better going back to Lenny Henry, Griff Rhys-Jones and total chaos. TV presenters and actors are not funny. Comedians are. You would think Comic Relief could figure that out.

    They had to go mainstream otherwise they couldn't keep on beating last year's total.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 21:25

    If they want a change let Frankie Boyle and Rhod Gilbert host it and give them a free reign. That would be funny. It may end up being taken off the air but it would be funny.

    From what i gathered from his gig i went to, Rhod seems pretty sensible, i say put Rhod and Michael McIntyre in charge :P that would be awesome. i missed the beginning... had Lenny been around yet?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:26

    had Lenny been around yet?

    At the start with an appeal

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 21:26

    i missed the beginning… had Lenny been around yet?

    He will be later.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 21:26

    From what i gathered from his gig i went to, Rhod seems pretty sensible, i say put Rhod and Michael McIntyre in charge :P that would be awesome. i missed the beginning… had Lenny been around yet?

    He's only appeared in the very first clip of the show being emotional when he was with a child blowing bubbles about next, cute little thing. But apart from that nope

  • lou13/03/2009 at 21:26

    At the start with an appeal

    ah cool :)

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 21:27

    Steven Roy: 13/03/2009 at 21:22:38

    Comic Relief used to be funny….

    It’s too planned now. They would be better going back to Lenny Henry, Griff Rhys-Jones and total chaos. TV presenters and actors are not funny. Comedians are. You would think Comic Relief could figure that out.

    If they want a change let Frankie Boyle and Rhod Gilbert host it and give them a free reign. That would be funny. It may end up being taken off the air but it would be funny.

    Add Marcus Brigstocke to that as well...

  • Dank13/03/2009 at 21:28

    Joe Saward has some pics of the new proposed French GP circuit: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/new-french-gp-circuit-the-first-pix/

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:29

    Joe Saward has some pics of the new proposed French GP circuit: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/new-french-gp-circuit-the-first-pix/

    Are they sure that Tilke wasn't involved, looks awfully like a long straight followed by a tight corner

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:30

    Also doesn't go over any bridges, what were they thinking?

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 21:31

    Joe Saward has some pics of the new proposed French GP circuit: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2009/03/13/new-french-gp-circuit-the-first-pix/

    Was expecting a loop the loop. am now bitterly disappointed.

    :(

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 21:34

    O_O

    That's a big total and it's just 9:30pm...

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 21:36

    Hang on... From £313k to £29 million?!

    £9 million from sainsburys, 2 million from the mountain cliumbing thing

    Where did the other 18million come from? Have I missed something?

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 21:36

    Hang on… From £313k to £29 million?!

    313k was just from the BT tower

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:37

    Where did the other 18million come from? Have I missed something?

    Where did you get 313k from?

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 21:38

    313k was just from the BT tower

    Aaaah right...

    Still, it's a hell of a lot for this early.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:39

    Oooh, a rant at the England football team, get in.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 21:40

    Oooh, a rant at the England football team, get in.

    Who?

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 21:41

    Are they sure that Tilke wasn’t involved, looks awfully like a long straight followed by a tight corner

    Every track needs a long straight followed by a tight corner. That is where overtaking happens. The long straight gives people a chance to catch up and the tight corner means a longer braking distance.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 21:52

    I've included my own ideas for the new france track

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/newfrance-jpg

    The main pit straight now runs through old trafford, the first corner has been replaced, the next few corners now require the driver to drive through the lake, a loop the loop is on the back straight and after the corner after that, there is a jump through a flaming hoop and then the last few corners. an essential upgrade.

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 21:54

    The main pit straight now runs through old trafford, the first corner has been replaced, the next few corners now require the driver to drive through the lake, a loop the loop is on the back straight and after the corner after that, there is a jump through a flaming hoop and then the last few corners. an essential upgrade.

    A flaming hoop is genius!

  • RG13/03/2009 at 21:54

    The main pit straight now runs through old trafford, the first corner has been replaced, the next few corners now require the driver to drive through the lake, a loop the loop is on the back straight and after the corner after that, there is a jump through a flaming hoop and then the last few corners. an essential upgrade.

    :D

    So Man U are now becoming French or are you ground sharing with city.

    Massa ain't gonna enjoy the lake (yeah, I said it)

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 21:55

    So Man U are now becoming French or are you ground sharing with city.

    The Glazers will sell the club to the GP organisers, you heard it here first ;)

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:00

    The main pit straight now runs through old trafford, the first corner has been replaced, the next few corners now require the driver to drive through the lake, a loop the loop is on the back straight and after the corner after that, there is a jump through a flaming hoop and then the last few corners. an essential upgrade.

    If only Tilke was capable of that level of originalty.

  • Andy+Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:01

    Why are Comic Relief songs rubbish nowadays?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:02

    Why are Comic Relief songs rubbish nowadays?

    I liked the Proclaimers one, this one is distinctly, well, poor

  • Journeyer13/03/2009 at 22:02

    Why are Comic Relief songs rubbish nowadays?

    Why does you name have a plus sign? ;)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:03

    Plus they aint showing it on the main show.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 22:04

    Plus they aint showing it on the main show.

    they need to show the news at one point ;)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:05

    they need to show the news at one point ;)

    I mean like last time they put into the main body, not the stuff on BBC2, and the time before.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 22:06

    I mean like last time they put into the main body, not the stuff on BBC2, and the time before.

    did they have a top of the pops last time though? makes sense to include it in that.

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:06

    I liked the Proclaimers one, this one is distinctly, well, poor

    I think they did the song on an episode of Gavin and Stacey, but that was embarrasing and I like Rob Brydon.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:07

    did they have a top of the pops last time though? makes sense to include it in that.

    Dont think so.

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:07

    Why does you name have a plus sign? ;)

    It's some doohickey bug. I keep removing it but it keeps coming back.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:08

    It’s some doohickey bug. I keep removing it but it keeps coming back.

    Try leaving it. I had a plus that appeared for three comments earlier in the week then left of its own volition.

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 22:10

    Try leaving it. I had a plus that appeared for three comments earlier in the week then left of its own volition.

    We can't seem to replicate so he's having trouble fixing it.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:11

    We can’t seem to replicate so he’s having trouble fixing it.

    Might be for spaces in between names

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:11

    Might be for spaces in between names

    i dont get it. i had it once but i removed it and its stayed away

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 22:12

    Might be for spaces in between names

    Yup, but why? Why sometimes and not others? Why hasn't everyone with a space in their name had the same problem? We can't seem to narrow it down.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:13

    Does anyone find Noel Fielding funny or do you all think that you could never tire of punching him?

  • R G13/03/2009 at 22:13

    Yup, but why? Why sometimes and not others? Why hasn’t everyone with a space in their name had the same problem? We can’t seem to narrow it down.

    Pass

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 22:13

    Pass

    Exactly.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:14

    Does anyone find Noel Fielding funny or do you all think that you could never tire of punching him?

    i like the Mighty Boosh, but not enjoying this as much

  • R G13/03/2009 at 22:14

    Exactly.

    Hmm, strange innit.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:14

    i like the Mighty Boosh, but not enjoying this as much

    He seems a bit out of his depth doesn't he? Julian would probably do a better job.

  • R G13/03/2009 at 22:14

    Does anyone find Noel Fielding funny or do you all think that you could never tire of punching him?

    I can imagine a dartboard with me throwing, he'll be on the triple 19.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:14

    Does anyone find Noel Fielding funny or do you all think that you could never tire of punching him?

    I liked him in the IT Crowd but that's about it.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:14

    did they have a top of the pops last time though? makes sense to include it in that.

    Wasn't it the Top Gear version last time?

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:15

    Wasn’t it the Top Gear version last time?

    Wasnt that Sport Relief?

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:15

    Where's Liam?

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:15

    Wasn’t it the Top Gear version last time?

    i think i prefered top gear version to be fair

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:16

    Wasn’t it the Top Gear version last time?

    Though I did enjoy Top Gear of the Pops

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:16

    Where’s Liam?

    hahaha, i wondered when someone would ask that....Oasis are generally considered Noel on his own

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:17

    hahaha, i wondered when someone would ask that….Oasis are generally considered Noel on his own

    Don't get me wrong, I don't miss him in the slightest!

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:17

    Wasnt that Sport Relief?

    They wrecked Steve Redgrave's garden for Sport Relief.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:18

    They wrecked Steve Redgrave’s garden for Sport Relief.

    ah yes, what a comic hour that was

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:19

    i think i prefered top gear version to be fair

    Agreed. :)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:19

    But we've already heard Take That, we don't need to suffer twice.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:19

    Take That...... playing instruments?

    My mind has just blown.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:20

    But we’ve already heard Take That, we don’t need to suffer twice.

    Plus the 600 times they've used the same song in the background

    And gary barlow, well, EVERYWHERE.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:21

    Take That…… playing instruments?

    It looks like miming drums is as hard as it sounds! :)

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:21

    Does anyone find Noel Fielding funny or do you all think that you could never tire of punching him?

    Noel Fielding is great. I particularly like his character from the IT Crowd

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:22

    It looks like miming drums is as hard as it sounds! :)

    He was well out of time at the start when he was only hitting two sticks together.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:23

    They can also stop with that X-Factor rip off titles as well

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:23

    Have you seen Bono? :P

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:23

    Nice to see a bit of Tony Ferrino and Bjork too :)

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:23

    But we’ve already heard Take That, we don’t need to suffer twice.

    Mute button ftw!

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:23

    Have you seen Bono? :P

    He's on TV now. :D

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:24

    Mute button ftw!

    But I can't reach my remote,

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:24

    Have you seen Bono? :P

    Is that Philip Schofield on Bass?

  • Christine13/03/2009 at 22:24

    But I can’t reach my remote,

    Now that is the height of laziness!

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:24

    Anyone else wondering why they are playing on the Friday Night With Jonathan Ross stage?

    Ah, the magic of television :)

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:25

    Nice to see a bit of Tony Ferrino and Bjork too :)

    I miss Steve Coogan's characters :(

    I remember the sketch he did with alan patridge for either CR or Children in Need thatw as in the studio and the audiebnce weren't sure whether to laugh if it was real or not. Had simon pegg too if I remember rightly...

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:25

    But I can’t reach my remote,

    Take That is enough to stir me from my chair... to switch off the sound.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:25

    But I can’t reach my remote,

    Cheers Mum, deathly silence

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:26

    But I can’t reach my remote,

    You could try chucking something at the tv. Depends how much you want THAT band to stop.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:26

    I remember the sketch he did with alan patridge for either CR or Children in Need thatw as in the studio and the audiebnce weren’t sure whether to laugh if it was real or not. Had simon pegg too if I remember rightly…

    Yeah, SImon Pegg was being the guy who played the Milky Bar Kid but his life had gne downhill since the adverts stopped! Genius.

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:27

    I miss Steve Coogan’s characters :(

    Me too, I recently found all his old videos - 3 Fights, 2 Weddings and a Funeral, The Man Who Thinks He's It, Tony Ferrino's Phenomenon etc.

    I also have the Tony Ferrino album, which features the duet with Bjork.

    Wonderful stuff.

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:28

    Yeah, Simon Pegg was being the guy who played the Milky Bar Kid but his life had gne downhill since the adverts stopped! Genius.

    Simon Pegg was part of his support cast for the "Man Who Thinks He's It" tour. He's on the video being told off by Coogan for being too funny.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:30

    Never heard this song. Sounds like the ideal song for James Blunt. Broken strings.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:31

    Never heard this song. Sounds like the ideal song for James Blunt. Broken strings.

    All I can here is the downstairs television and wailing sounds.

  • Joe13/03/2009 at 22:31

    I remember that Steve Coogan one. It was great.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 22:31

    Andy+Taylor: 13/03/2009 at 22:01:57

    Why are Comic Relief songs rubbish nowadays?

    Bring back The Stonk! :D

    RG: 13/03/2009 at 22:19:35

    But we’ve already heard Take That, we don’t need to suffer twice.

    I never realised I could find the mute buttin in under 2 seconds by touch alone

    Is Top of the Pops over now? Can I stop cringing at the dross? *un-mutes* No, hasn't stopped yet.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:33

    Top gear shuttle why?

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:33

    Well, my ears just exploded.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:33

    Well, my ears just exploded.

    Lucky you.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:33

    Oh great...

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:34

    Top gear shuttle why?

    Very odd.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:34

    Lucky you.

    Just waiting for the eyes to go

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 22:35

    What the f.....?

    Am I hearing the chorus right or is my caffine wrecked brain making things up?

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:35

    Am I hearing the chorus right or is my caffine wrecked brain making things up?

    It's nearly over...

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:35

    Just waiting for the eyes to go

    I can't see anything, my room is dark and all I can here is torture

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:35

    Just waiting for the eyes to go

    Dawn French gyrating should do the trick....

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:36

    Am I hearing the chorus right or is my caffine wrecked brain making things up?

    Apparently this is what the youuff is listening to today :P

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:36

    Bring back The Stonk! :D

    Stonk was OK, at least it was a proper song. The only really good Comic Relief songs are Living Doll, Help!, and Rockin' Around the Christmas Tree.

    The Peter Kay one was pretty good too, but wasn't an official song.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:37

    Apparently this is what the youuff is listening to today :P

    My do I feel sorry for us

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:38

    Hands up who flicked between channels to see if they were on both...

    *raises hand, slooooowly"

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:38

    My do I feel sorry for us

    Yeah, this modern music is rubbish, you can hear the words and the tunes are nice.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:38

    Finally, The Apprentice. This is the main reason why I've watched

  • Pat W13/03/2009 at 22:38

    Hands up who flicked between channels to see if they were on both…

    I just turned the telly on to see how it was going this year. Saw that, and they announced Alan Carr. My TV is now off again.

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:38

    Did she just say Fern Britton and Alan Carr??

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 22:38

    Hands up who flicked between channels to see if they were on both…

    I went back to Black Hawk Down.

    At least Ewan McGregors american accent is funny. :D

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:39

    Alan Carr? Where's Schofield?!

  • Pat W13/03/2009 at 22:39

    Bring back The Stonk! :D

    I liked that! In my defence, I was about 10.

  • Joe13/03/2009 at 22:40

    On a non-Comic Relief note( or maybe it is), which of these 2 tracks do you think is better/the least bad?

    Estoril or Buenos-Ares.

    I vote Estoril, I actually like the track. It had that awkward uphill bit, liked that.

    Detest Buenothing.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:40

    I liked that! In my defence, I was about 10.

    Never heard of em. In my defence, I was about -3

  • Pat W13/03/2009 at 22:40

    Apparently this is what the youuff is listening to today :P

    What did I miss on TOTP then? All the usual mainstream pop crap or anything decent?

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:41

    On a non-Comic Relief note( or maybe it is), which of these 2 tracks do you think is better/the least bad?

    Estoril or Buenos-Ares.

    Theyre the same track damnit!

    *snarls*

  • Pat W13/03/2009 at 22:41

    On a non-Comic Relief note( or maybe it is), which of these 2 tracks do you think is better/the least bad?

    Estoril or Buenos-Ares.

    Estoril but I've only seen recent MotoGP and touring car races on it.

    I probably did see 90s F1 races on it but I've forgotten them.

  • RG13/03/2009 at 22:42

    On a non-Comic Relief note( or maybe it is), which of these 2 tracks do you think is better/the least bad?

    Estoril or Buenos-Ares.

    Did Estoril inspire Catalunya?

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:42

    Estoril was a good track. Popular with fans, drivers etc.

    I can't picture the BA circuit which probably says how good it was.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 22:43

    Oh great…

    hehe i turned the TV on mute when she came on :) lol

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:43

    Theyre the same track damnit!

    Estoril is in Portugal and BA is in Argentina.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:44

    Did Estoril inspire Catalunya?

    The circuit maps used to look identical before they started tweaking Barcelona.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:44

    Estoril is in Portugal and BA is in Argentina.

    No no no I know that, they just seem so similar in my opinion. Same with catalunya.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 22:44

    okay, no idea if this is just me but sometimes the doohickey doesn't seem to show the new comments but sometimes it does :s

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 22:45

    okay, no idea if this is just me but sometimes the doohickey doesn’t seem to show the new comments but sometimes it does :s

    very occationally, but a refresh and its all good again

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:46

    The Apprentice! About time.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:46

    Which doohickey?

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 22:46

    The Apprentice! About time.

    Here here!

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 22:47

    On a non-Comic Relief note( or maybe it is), which of these 2 tracks do you think is better/the least bad? Estoril or Buenos-Ares.

    Estoril - I went to my first GP there. :D

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 22:51

    The Apprentice! About time.

    I've just noticed that Sir Alan's receptionist no longer has an Amstrad eMailer on her desk, just a regular phone.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 22:52

    I’ve just noticed that Sir Alan’s receptionist no longer has an Amstrad eMailer on her desk, just a regular phone.

    I bet she's relieved about that. What a piece of cack they were.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 22:53

    On a non-Comic Relief note( or maybe it is), which of these 2 tracks do you think is better/the least bad?

    Estoril or Buenos-Ares.

    I prefer BA, good memories from an old F1 game :)

  • lou13/03/2009 at 22:54

    I bet she’s relieved about that. What a piece of cack they were.

    we had one of those... it was given to us. we had it for about 3 months before we 'accidentally' broke it.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 22:54

    I’ve just noticed that Sir Alan’s receptionist no longer has an Amstrad eMailer on her desk, just a regular phone.

    He sold Amstrad

  • Dom13/03/2009 at 22:55

    I’ve just noticed that Sir Alan’s receptionist no longer has an Amstrad eMailer on her desk, just a regular phone.

    Probably because he's not involved with Amstrad anymore.

  • Alianora La Canta13/03/2009 at 22:55

    There was talk of a track being built at EuroDisney but I don’t think it was ever built. {Comment #18}

    I believe money and politics were responsible for EuroDisney not getting an F1 track.

  • Alianora La Canta13/03/2009 at 22:57

    All quiet today. Just discussing the fact I forgot it was Red Nose Day.

    My local Sainsbury's ran out of Red Noses yesterday. Luckily I found one somewhere else...

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 22:57

    Alianora La Canta: 13/03/2009 at 22:55:13

    There was talk of a track being built at EuroDisney but I don’t think it was ever built. {Comment #18}

    I believe money and politics were responsible for EuroDisney not getting an F1 track.

    Shame - it would have given us a reason to go past the FIA trailer singing M - I - C - K - E - Y M - O - U - S - E. ;)

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 23:04

    Probably because he’s not involved with Amstrad anymore.

    He sold Amstrad

    Of course.

  • chris evans13/03/2009 at 23:12

    Has anyone seen the new calendar feature BBC F1 are testing? One click and it downloads all the race weekend info to iCal or Outlook. Pretty cool.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 23:18

    Has anyone seen the new calendar feature BBC F1 are testing? One click and it downloads all the race weekend info to iCal or Outlook. Pretty cool.

    that's rather cool. wish i'd known they were gonna do that before i typed it all in the other day...

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 23:18

    Has anyone seen the new calendar feature BBC F1 are testing? One click and it downloads all the race weekend info to iCal or Outlook. Pretty cool.

    Except we already have the dates...

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:19

    that’s rather cool. wish i’d known they were gonna do that before i typed it all in the other day…

    *cough*

    http://www.f1minute.com/f1-calendar/

    as you were.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 23:22

    as you were.

    lol i've already added that to my google calender ;) , i've no idea how i would have got it from google calender to outlook on the desktop computer though. so i just quickly typed it all up... there prob is a way but i wasn't thinking at the time.

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:23

    is rg still around? only we're looking into the solving the mixer situation at the moment (essentially by throwing the credit card at the problem).

    if we sorted audio by sunday, would you be up for hosting a panel?

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:23

    lol i’ve already added that to my google calender ;)

    you can just export in ical format and import into outlook.

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 23:24

    if we sorted audio by sunday, would you be up for hosting a panel?

    I see from the wiki Jackie's name has disappeared from the list of panellists.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 23:25

    you can just export in ical format and import into outlook.

    well it's done now ;)

  • RG13/03/2009 at 23:26

    if we sorted audio by sunday, would you be up for hosting a panel?

    Sunday, check my diary, i have spurs v villa pencilled in at 4pm, should finish by 6ish. Start at 7 yeah, yeah sure.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 23:26

    41 million so far!

    Blimey!

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:26

    Sunday, check my diary, i have spurs v villa pencilled in at 4pm, should finish by 6ish. Start at 7 yeah, yeah sure.

    cheers sir. will confirm tomorrow evening. may have to do a test broadcast too.

  • Andy Taylor13/03/2009 at 23:32

    41 million so far!

    By the way, the Office the Opera is a real project for Comic Relief

  • RG13/03/2009 at 23:37

    Tell ya something, can't wait for the Digest Season Preview.

  • Jon Waldock13/03/2009 at 23:38

    http://drop.io/download/49baee6e/e382bc4d735b1d6cda40cb4de24058642d702989/d0ba0b70-f3bc-012a-2186-0012799407ec/e20c0130-f255-012b-d430-f6425b268058/00001_large.jpg

    beaaaaaaaaautiful picture :D

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:40

    Tell ya something, can’t wait for the Digest Season Preview.

    she be busy working on it.

  • Lukeh13/03/2009 at 23:40

    beaaaaaaaaautiful picture :D

    cant help but think of feeling good looking at that...

    it's a new dawn, it's a new day, it's a new life, for brawn... and they're feeling gooood

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:41

    beaaaaaaaaautiful picture :D

    'cept for the yellow.

    i'll be on me way now.

  • Selidor13/03/2009 at 23:44

    perfect :)

  • lou13/03/2009 at 23:46

    beaaaaaaaaautiful picture :D

    something tells me we have a few more brawn gp fans around these parts now :P

  • lou13/03/2009 at 23:47

    ‘cept for the yellow.

    you'll get used to it. it's not as bad as Renault's livery.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)13/03/2009 at 23:48

    Hi from a train going 180km/h home from poker night. Was good fun but lost about £15 :-(

    How has your night been? Any news?

  • Selidor13/03/2009 at 23:49

    you’ll get used to it. it’s not as bad as Renault’s livery.

    I still dont get why they chose fluorescent yellow, I mean really of all the yellows they went for that!

  • lou13/03/2009 at 23:51

    I still dont get why they chose fluorescent yellow, I mean really of all the yellows they went for that!

    well if it were any other yellow would everyone talking about it as much? ;)

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:53

    Hi from a train going 180km/h home from poker night. Was good fun but lost about £15 :-(

    fastest live commenting, ever?

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:54

    well if it were any other yellow would everyone talking about it as much? ;)

    maybe not, but i'd be complimenting it more ;)

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 23:54

    fastest live commenting, ever?

    That is going to be seen a challenge by some people.

  • Flibster13/03/2009 at 23:54

    Just realised what the date is tomorrow...

    March 14th.... Male version of Valentines day. ;) I have steak in the fridge too!

  • me13/03/2009 at 23:57

    That is going to be seen a challenge by some people.

    bassano is the highest commenter right? do we have any other records?

  • Steven Roy13/03/2009 at 23:58

    bassano is the highest commenter right? do we have any other records?

    I think Lou could beat Bassano's record if Buton wins a race this season.

  • lou13/03/2009 at 23:58

    maybe not, but i’d be complimenting it more ;)

    i'm sure Brawn wouldn't leave it like that... maybe they are gonna add stuff to it throughout the year?

  • lou14/03/2009 at 00:00

    I think Lou could beat Bassano’s record if Buton wins a race this season.

    :D hehe you mean Button :P and yes i certainly will :D

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 00:01

    :D hehe you mean Button :P and yes i certainly will :D

    He was going so fast his t's got squished together.

  • lou14/03/2009 at 00:02

    He was going so fast his t’s got squished together.

    :D

  • Andy Taylor14/03/2009 at 00:02

    I still dont get why they chose fluorescent yellow, I mean really of all the yellows they went for that!

    What was left at the back of the paint cupboard?

  • lou14/03/2009 at 00:05

    What was left at the back of the paint cupboard?

    i'm thinking there would be lots of white, some red, green, and blue.... not sure about highlighter yellow though :)

  • chris evans14/03/2009 at 00:06

    …. not sure about highlighter yellow though :)

    Maybe they over ordered on office supplies?

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 00:07

    Maybe they over ordered on office supplies?

    They drained 600 highlighters for the ink.

  • lou14/03/2009 at 00:07

    Maybe they over ordered on office supplies?

    maybe they were planning on having an all black and white livery but someone's kid was playing around with highlighters near a sketch of it? :P

  • Bassano Clapper14/03/2009 at 00:08

    bassano is the highest commenter right? do we have any other records?

    I've set a record, I'd never even thought about that

    Woo hoo!

  • Lukeh14/03/2009 at 00:08

    maybe they were planning on having an all black and white livery but someone’s kid was playing around with highlighters near a sketch of it? :P

    I reckon it was just jenson getting ecxited by the news

  • Bassano Clapper14/03/2009 at 00:09

    Just returned from Watchmen which was most excellent btw

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 00:13

    maybe they were planning on having an all black and white livery but someone’s kid was playing around with highlighters near a sketch of it? :P

    I reckon it was just jenson getting ecxited by the news

    Maybe they painted it that colour to hide the flo-vis ;-)

  • Selidor14/03/2009 at 00:13

    Just returned from Watchmen which was most excellent btw

    Ive read it appeals more to fans of the book than new ones

    Also Alianora just won Monaco '86 in her Minardi, after leading 32 laps. They're currently 4th in the WCC. If I sound less than enthused, it was because I led 35 other laps and finished 2nd. And that was my home race!

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 00:20

    Also Alianora just won Monaco ‘86 in her Minardi, after leading 32 laps. They’re currently 4th in the WCC. If I sound less than enthused, it was because I led 35 other laps and finished 2nd. And that was my home race!

    Great performance from Alianora.

    I need to find a different strategy somewhere. I won the first race and since then I have had good pace but whatever strategy I try I don't get the most out of the car.

  • Bassano Clapper14/03/2009 at 00:22

    Ive read it appeals more to fans of the book than new ones

    I could kinda see that but would still recommend it.

    Not your run-of-the-mill comic to screen adaptation

  • Lukeh14/03/2009 at 00:23

    I've read the book and watched the film and minus the ending, the adaptation is fantastic. Follows it very well and I personally think the film ending is better but thats down to personal opinion.

  • Andy Taylor14/03/2009 at 00:46

    I’ve read the book and watched the film and minus the ending, the adaptation is fantastic. Follows it very well and I personally think the film ending is better but thats down to personal opinion.

    Alan Moore still won't like it though.

  • Al14/03/2009 at 00:55

    I’ve read the book and watched the film and minus the ending, the adaptation is fantastic. Follows it very well and I personally think the film ending is better but thats down to personal opinion.

    I also think it is a very good adaptation. I had a problem with the look of Veidt but other than that I thought the movie was a visually perfect match to the book. I am also happy with the ending as it works well and is more plausible than the one in the book.

  • Alianora La Canta14/03/2009 at 01:07

    Why are Comic Relief songs rubbish nowadays? Comment #282}

    Unfortunately the rest of the mainstream music industry has turned rubbish in the last year or so as well. And then they wonder why the music industry is in turmoil...

  • Alianora La Canta14/03/2009 at 01:15

    Also Alianora just won Monaco ‘86 in her Minardi, after leading 32 laps. They’re currently 4th in the WCC. {Comment #432}

    I was amazed to see this. The first win I ever had was account-sitting a 2006 game at Monaco, but there were only 9 other competitors then and I was leading at the end of lap 1 by dint of a fairly odd strategy. I'm not sure what I did to get this win, though.

  • Andy Taylor14/03/2009 at 01:20

    Unfortunately the rest of the mainstream music industry has turned rubbish in the last year or so as well. And then they wonder why the music industry is in turmoil…

    In the last year? It's been rubbish for longer than that.

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 01:24

    Unfortunately the rest of the mainstream music industry has turned rubbish in the last year or so as well. And then they wonder why the music industry is in turmoil…

    It has been rubbish for as long as I can remember. Even in the mid 90s when I liked it I didn't really like it and wished I'd heard of other stuff... nowadays I wish I'd found it earlier.

    Actually the last year hasn't been all that bad in comparison.

  • lou14/03/2009 at 01:24

    i'm off to bed now. night all x

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 01:24

    In the last year? It’s been rubbish for longer than that.

    Around about 2000 was the worst I've known it, certainly on radio.

  • chris evans14/03/2009 at 01:25

    i’m off to bed now. night all x

    Night

  • Dom14/03/2009 at 01:26

    i’m off to bed now. night all x

    Night Lou.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 01:26

    Night Lou

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 01:39

    Night Lou.

    I am home now and in my PJ's just decompressing and hydrating before sleep (so I am not so hungover later when wifey wakes me up to drag me to the shops...)

  • littlepurplegoth14/03/2009 at 01:43

    Does anyone find Noel Fielding funny or do you all think that you could never tire of punching him?

    Now be nice....

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 01:54

    Unfortunately the rest of the mainstream music industry has turned rubbish in the last year or so as well. And then they wonder why the music industry is in turmoil…

    Tenuously related topic... just wandering aimlessly around Last.fm and ended up on the Sidepodcast group. Our combined music taste isn't TOO bad, particularly once you expand past top ten...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 01:56

    Re: Mclaren and the sandbagging/problem car issue:

    I've just been told about this link on the newsgroup rec.autos.sport.f1 that also claims that Mclaren are having car troubles as they have lost a lot of technical staff (ironically to Gonda).

    The article also speculates that the major reason why Brawn is so fast and Gonda was so slow was that the Japanese part of the equation were mismanaging their part. He gives a specific example which is quite shocking if indeed true.

    I'm not sure if this person is telling the truth or not - in fact I kinda hope it's all a lie as it all sounds ludicrous. But anyway, it's well worth a read...

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:07

    I’m not sure if this person is telling the truth or not - in fact I kinda hope it’s all a lie as it all sounds ludicrous. But anyway, it’s well worth a read…

    if i can make it past the offensive abbreviations, i don't understand how anyone can swap the pin-outs on a standard ecu? if they did, it wouldn't be standard. unless the chap is delving deep into the archives for that one?

    it's tough to believe, but we do know mclaren have spent an awful lot of time going in a straight line. so maybe there's something in it.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:13

    I’m not sure if this person is telling the truth or not - in fact I kinda hope it’s all a lie as it all sounds ludicrous. But anyway, it’s well worth a read…

    The guy hasn't a clue. Honda are competitive because the Japanese have left? So the car was no good 3 months ago now it is the best car on the grid. The only thing that has changed in that time is the engine and nothing to do with the management of the company.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:15

    As for Newey not being at McLaren. Last year's car was pretty good and so was the one before that.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:24

    As for Newey not being at McLaren. Last year’s car was pretty good and so was the one before that.

    The one before that was the one that was during 'Spygate' though...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:25

    if i can make it past the offensive abbreviations, i don’t understand how anyone can swap the pin-outs on a standard ecu? if they did, it wouldn’t be standard. unless the chap is delving deep into the archives for that one?

    Yeah sorry about that - I assumed by stating it was r.a.s.f1 you guys would know it would have been a bit on the crass side (it goes with the territory I am afraid).

    it’s tough to believe, but we do know mclaren have spent an awful lot of time going in a straight line. so maybe there’s something in it.

    If you follow the thread, he did post before Mclaren officially announced that they were having difficulties - but that may just be a coincidence...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:25

    I’m not sure if this person is telling the truth or not - in fact I kinda hope it’s all a lie as it all sounds ludicrous. But anyway, it’s well worth a read…

    The guy hasn’t a clue. Honda are competitive because the Japanese have left? So the car was no good 3 months ago now it is the best car on the grid. The only thing that has changed in that time is the engine and nothing to do with the management of the company.

    Fair point - but I read somewhere today the difference between the Gonda and Merc is about 70hp!

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:27

    The guy hasn’t a clue. Honda are competitive because the Japanese have left? So the car was no good 3 months ago now it is the best car on the grid. The only thing that has changed in that time is the engine and nothing to do with the management of the company.

    But I think the issue here is how the Japs were running things on their end. So even if they did have a quick car this year, if the Japs were around, it would be nowhere near as good, because the way the Japs were running it, it wouldn't be able to maximize its potential.

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:28

    Yeah sorry about that - I assumed by stating it was r.a.s.f1 you guys would know it would have been a bit on the crass side (it goes with the territory I am afraid).

    haven't read a newsgroup for about 10 years. had no idea they still existed?

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:29

    Fair point - but I read somewhere today the difference between the Gonda and Merc is about 70hp!

    I have seen a couple of figures quoted but there does seem to be a substantial difference but that is an engine development problem not a management one. Bear in mind that the only reason they probably didn't know the engine was so bad was because they had so many aero problems that they didn't have a baseline.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:30

    Yeah sorry about that - I assumed by stating it was r.a.s.f1 you guys would know it would have been a bit on the crass side (it goes with the territory I am afraid).

    haven’t read a newsgroup for about 10 years. had no idea they still existed?

    Only using stuff like google. Content is poor, language is bad and flamings, abuse and spam run rampant.

    The only good newsgroup I belong to is a private F1 newsgroup, in fact!

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:30

    I have seen a couple of figures quoted but there does seem to be a substantial difference but that is an engine development problem not a management one. Bear in mind that the only reason they probably didn’t know the engine was so bad was because they had so many aero problems that they didn’t have a baseline.

    Mind you, didn't Honda get their guy from MotoGP to design the car?

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 02:30

    The only good newsgroup I belong to is a private F1 newsgroup, in fact!

    :waves:

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:31

    Only using stuff like google. Content is poor, language is bad and flamings, abuse and spam run rampant.

    i'll stick with doohickey.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:31

    The only good newsgroup I belong to is a private F1 newsgroup, in fact!

    :waves:

    Hi Pat ;-)

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 02:31

    Only using stuff like google. Content is poor, language is bad and flamings, abuse and spam run rampant.

    I stopped following RASF1 about 2 years ago when OE didn't like storing the messages any more. Google Groups is too unwieldy for me.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:32

    I have seen a couple of figures quoted but there does seem to be a substantial difference but that is an engine development problem not a management one. Bear in mind that the only reason they probably didn’t know the engine was so bad was because they had so many aero problems that they didn’t have a baseline.

    Mind you, didn’t Honda get their guy from MotoGP to design the car?

    Sounds like he developed the engine too - used a couple of bike blocks and fused them together?

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:32

    But I think the issue here is how the Japs were running things on their end. So even if they did have a quick car this year, if the Japs were around, it would be nowhere near as good, because the way the Japs were running it, it wouldn’t be able to maximize its potential.

    I agree but he is suggesting that because the Japanese have left the team has somehow found all this performance. Bear in mind Button signed a 3 year contract with Honda a few weeks before Honda announced their pull out so until then which was well after the design was signed off everything was being run to the Japanese model. In effect the Japanese produced this car.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:32

    Only using stuff like google. Content is poor, language is bad and flamings, abuse and spam run rampant.

    I stopped following RASF1 about 2 years ago when OE didn’t like storing the messages any more. Google Groups is too unwieldy for me.

    I can't even get a working news server to run on OE - haven't been able to for a few years, in fact :-(

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:32

    haven’t read a newsgroup for about 10 years. had no idea they still existed?

    Never really paid any attention to them.

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:33

    In effect the Japanese produced this car.

    I disagree. Ross Brawn oversaw this car - that's why Honda hired him to start with.

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 02:33

    I can’t even get a working news server to run on OE - haven’t been able to for a few years, in fact :-(

    I don't think ISPs are really supporting them any more.

    And now OE is gone and we've got this useless Windows Live. OE was bad, this is worse, and no I don't like Thunderbird.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:34

    Mind you, didn’t Honda get their guy from MotoGP to design the car?

    Yes he quit earlier this year and made some really stupid comment along the lines that he did not understand aerodynamics or something similar.

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:34

    haven’t read a newsgroup for about 10 years. had no idea they still existed?

    That's so 90s!

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 02:34

    I disagree. Ross Brawn oversaw this car - that’s why Honda hired him to start with.

    With Japanese management and a lot of input from their techs...

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:34

    And now OE is gone and we’ve got this useless Windows Live. OE was bad, this is worse, and no I don’t like Thunderbird.

    gmail?

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:35

    Sounds like he developed the engine too - used a couple of bike blocks and fused them together?

    That's how they made the Honda F1 engine in the 60s.

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 02:35

    gmail?

    You can't add a newsgroup server to gmail.

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:35

    You can’t add a newsgroup server to gmail.

    point taken :)

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:35

    But I think the issue here is how the Japs were running things on their end. So even if they did have a quick car this year, if the Japs were around, it would be nowhere near as good, because the way the Japs were running it, it wouldn’t be able to maximize its potential.

    I agree but he is suggesting that because the Japanese have left the team has somehow found all this performance. Bear in mind Button signed a 3 year contract with Honda a few weeks before Honda announced their pull out so until then which was well after the design was signed off everything was being run to the Japanese model. In effect the Japanese produced this car.

    That's a very good point - the people he chastises for bad management effectively designed and built this car. I would think of the BGP001 as the 'Toro Rosso' and Gonda's original 2009 car was the 'Red Bull' (If that makes sense at 3.30am :-) )

    Therefore a Japanese pullout would have zero effect on the car - so why did they pull out if the car they made is so good?

    I'll never understand Gonda's racing philosophies I guess!

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:36

    With Japanese management and a lot of input from their techs…

    I think the Japs let him do his own thing. Ross would listen to who is worth listening to.

    Their techs? But most of their techs weren't Japs - they were those based at Brackley. Which leads to my point - the guys who did the actual work were actually pretty good. The problem lay with the guys who were setting the technical direction - the Japs, most notably the guy that came from MotoGP.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:37

    I disagree. Ross Brawn oversaw this car - that’s why Honda hired him to start with.

    My point is that the guy who wrote the original comment said that the car was competitive because the Japs had pulled out. My point is they were still running the show. Brawn may be responsible for the design but the fact is the Japanese management was still in place and had they stayed the chassis/aero would be just as competitive.

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 02:37

    Their techs? But most of their techs weren’t Japs - they were those based at Brackley. Which leads to my point - the guys who did the actual work were actually pretty good. The problem lay with the guys who were setting the technical direction - the Japs, most notably the guy that came from MotoGP.

    I was under the impression there's a big Honda research centre in Japan which was also in play.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:38

    Their techs? But most of their techs weren’t Japs - they were those based at Brackley. Which leads to my point - the guys who did the actual work were actually pretty good. The problem lay with the guys who were setting the technical direction - the Japs, most notably the guy that came from MotoGP.

    I was under the impression there’s a big Honda research centre in Japan which was also in play.

    I think that was for the engine though...?

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:38

    My point is that the guy who wrote the original comment said that the car was competitive because the Japs had pulled out. My point is they were still running the show. Brawn may be responsible for the design but the fact is the Japanese management was still in place and had they stayed the chassis/aero would be just as competitive.

    Point taken. But somehow, I really do think that they wouldn't be this good had the Japanese stayed. I can't put my finger down how exactly that would happen.

  • Pat W14/03/2009 at 02:38

    I think that was for the engine though…?

    I'm sure they did aero work, wind tunnel work.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:39

    Therefore a Japanese pullout would have zero effect on the car - so why did they pull out if the car they made is so good?

    They pulled out for global business reasons. To them F1 is an advertising program and effectively they have slashed their advertising budget because they know sales are going to be low.

    To us competitiveness in F1 matters. To them the millions of dollars they save go straight to their bottom line.

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:40

    To us competitiveness in F1 matters. To them the millions of dollars they save go straight to their bottom line.

    But had Honda 2009 been successful, they would've sold more cars. So wouldn't that affect their bottom line too?

    Then again, they'd have to consider if the increased sales were enough to offset the cost.

    Just like Ford's pullout at the end of 2004 - blame the accountants!

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:41

    I was under the impression there’s a big Honda research centre in Japan which was also in play.

    A lot of the research is done in Japan. Honda have always used that centre to train people for their road car operation in the ways of F1. That is the reason Honda were running wind tunnel tests in Japan.

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:42

    But had Honda 2009 been successful, they would’ve sold more cars. So wouldn’t that affect their bottom line too?

    right now, cutting costs will sell cars, and nothing else.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:43

    I think that was for the engine though…?

    I’m sure they did aero work, wind tunnel work.

    A lot of the research is done in Japan. Honda have always used that centre to train people for their road car operation in the ways of F1. That is the reason Honda were running wind tunnel tests in Japan.

    So what did Brackley do then?

  • Journeyer14/03/2009 at 02:43

    right now, cutting costs will sell cars, and nothing else.

    Cutting costs will improve your profit, but that won't change your revenue any. You'd just sell the same number of cars. I'd even argue to a certain extent that due to the pull-out from F1, they'd sell less cars.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:44

    But had Honda 2009 been successful, they would’ve sold more cars. So wouldn’t that affect their bottom line too?

    The way the global economy is they have to cut costs. They have the choice of pouring a few hundred million dollars into an F1 team or using that same money to pay salaries so they can hang on to the people they will need when the car market picks up. They can use the money for maintenance or upgrades on their car plants while they have downtime. Making changes to a plant when it is running is near impossible and while they didn't want the downtime they have to use it and to use it they have to find a budget when they are making a loss and expect to continue making a loss.

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:45

    Cutting costs will improve your profit, but that won’t change your revenue any. You’d just sell the same number of cars. I’d even argue to a certain extent that due to the pull-out from F1, they’d sell less cars.

    the problem honda have right now, is not to do with revenue specifically.

    they have literally made too many cars and have no room nor reason to make any more.

    they just need to start shifting them.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:45

    So what did Brackley do then?

    More of the same and all the building of cars.

    The reason Honda spent so much money was partly due to duplication.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:48

    So what did Brackley do then?

    More of the same and all the building of cars.

    The reason Honda spent so much money was partly due to duplication.

    That's really dumb. Why would you have two design centres? That would lead to so many conflicts and duplication the team would never move forwards!

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:49

    That’s really dumb. Why would you have two design centres? That would lead to so many conflicts and duplication the team would never move forwards!

    Clearly they did move forward. But it is not a great plan.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:51

    That’s really dumb. Why would you have two design centres? That would lead to so many conflicts and duplication the team would never move forwards!

    Clearly they did move forward. But it is not a great plan.

    After moving a long way backwards though. Maybe Brawn brought with him some coherence and structure that was followed a lot better than the previous philosophies?

  • Andy Taylor14/03/2009 at 02:51

    they have literally made too many cars and have no room nor reason to make any more.

    It is alledged that they made too many with the steering wheel on the wrong side (left).

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:52

    It is alledged that they made too many with the steering wheel on the wrong side (left).

    oops!

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:55

    After moving a long way backwards though. Maybe Brawn brought with him some coherence and structure that was followed a lot better than the previous philosophies?

    I am sure Brawn has made a lot of changes and put them straight on a few things. He knows how to put systems in place to do things efficiently.

    He is also a very good designer and that is something he doesn't get credit for. He designed the Group C Jaguar that killed Group C because it was so advanced. Group C cars provided great sportscar racing for more than a decade and was incredibly strong and he killed it with one design. He also designed bits for Ferrari when their designers were overloaded.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:55

    It is alledged that they made too many with the steering wheel on the wrong side (left).

    Surely the majority of markets sit on the wrong side of the car so that should be a good thing?

  • me14/03/2009 at 02:56

    He also designed bits for Ferrari when their designers were overloaded.

    what do you think luca makes of the 001's pace?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:56

    He is also a very good designer and that is something he doesn’t get credit for. He designed the Group C Jaguar that killed Group C because it was so advanced. Group C cars provided great sportscar racing for more than a decade and was incredibly strong and he killed it with one design. He also designed bits for Ferrari when their designers were overloaded.

    Which Jaguar was this? I thought the Peugeot 905 that dominated from 91-93 killed off Group C racing?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 02:57

    It is alledged that they made too many with the steering wheel on the wrong side (left).

    Surely the majority of markets sit on the wrong side of the car so that should be a good thing?

    The Japanese drive on the same side as the UK so they won't be able to fob them off there :-(

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:59

    Which Jaguar was this? I thought the Peugeot 905 that dominated from 91-93 killed off Group C racing?

    I can't remember the number but he basically designed it as an F1 car and it meant that for anyone to build a competitive car required a lot of work and money whereas before they could buy a Porsche 956/962 and be instantly competitive if they put good drivers in the car. Peugeot were prepared to pay to play but Brawn delivered the fatal blow.

  • Steven Roy14/03/2009 at 02:59

    The Japanese drive on the same side as the UK so they won’t be able to fob them off there :-(

    I was thinking of the rest of Europe. Presumably they haven't made British spec cars in left hand drive.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 03:00

    The Japanese drive on the same side as the UK so they won’t be able to fob them off there :-(

    I was thinking of the rest of Europe. Presumably they haven’t made British spec cars in left hand drive.

    I think Honda may make some cars to UK spec and some to EU spec.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 03:05

    Which Jaguar was this? I thought the Peugeot 905 that dominated from 91-93 killed off Group C racing?

    I can’t remember the number but he basically designed it as an F1 car and it meant that for anyone to build a competitive car required a lot of work and money whereas before they could buy a Porsche 956/962 and be instantly competitive if they put good drivers in the car. Peugeot were prepared to pay to play but Brawn delivered the fatal blow.

    This one - the Jaguar XJR-14?

    To be fair, it wasn't THE reason Group C was killed off but you are right in using it as a prime example of why Group C died off so fast...

  • Andy Taylor14/03/2009 at 03:07

    Surely the majority of markets sit on the wrong side of the car so that should be a good thing?

    Not if most of them were destined for the US.

  • Andy Taylor14/03/2009 at 03:07

    Just realised the time, night all. Work later :S

  • me14/03/2009 at 03:08

    night andy.

    i may sleep too.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)14/03/2009 at 03:08

    night andy.

    i may sleep too.

    Sounds like a plan. Night all :-)

  • Dom14/03/2009 at 03:09

    Night.