Today is the start of WWDC 2010. No, not an F1 Working Group on the merits of David Coulthard's white trousers but Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference. There's a fair amount of love for the fruitily named shiny products of 'i' around here but we understand that not everyone is particularly bothered about Steve Jobs' black turtleneck attire today. So here's a breakout thread for discussing all things Apple.

Looking up at the Moscone Center West in San Francisco, June 4, 2010.

Credit: Adam Jackson / Flickr / Creative Commons

Looking up at the Moscone Center West in San Francisco, June 4, 2010.

What can we expect? Well, there's a lot of rumour and very few facts yet but the odds are pretty good that the refreshed iPhone will be announced - iPhone HD or suitably titled wundermobile. Today, there has been a lot of buzz about some sort of magic trackpad that looks like a wireless keyboard... without any keys! A refreshed Mac Mini and/or Mac Pro line up is also mooted but I could roll these out for a while.

While we wait, you might want to check out the story of a Sydney restaurant that has replaced their paper menus with iPads.

Several sites will be tracking the news as it's released, here are a few I'll be keeping an eye on.

Please suggest any that you find useful or not prone to crashing! Especially if you find a video stream.

The keynote address is scheduled to kick off at 6pm (GMT+1), I'll be seeing you in the comments - from my iPad.

484 responses

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:25

    Fire up the Magic Mouse, I'm going in!

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:27

    not sure what the coverage will be like, but am planning to follow twit live too:

    http://live.twit.tv/

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:27

    I usually like the gdgt coverage better:

    http://live.gdgt.com/2010/06/07/live-wwdc-2010-keynote-coverage/

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:29

    ref: the menu story. do you need to bring your own ipad, or do they hand them out?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:30

    ref: the menu story. do you need to bring your own ipad, or do they hand them out?

    They hand 'em out apparently [crazy fools]

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:31

    They hand 'em out apparently [crazy fools]

    that is crazy, i approve though.

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:31

    or live.twit.tv

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:31

    I usually like the gdgt coverage better

    ohh ta. this might be information overload :0

  • Steven Roy07/06/2010 at 16:31

    not sure what the coverage will be like, but am planning to follow twit live too:

    http://live.twit.tv/

    Tom Merritt is in the studio with Leo and Becky Worley at the event.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:32

    They hand 'em out apparently [crazy fools]

    Though, maybe it is an App, still - great idea

    "When ordering steak, users can even specify how they'd like the meat cooked and which sauce they'd prefer. It will even ask them if they'd like fries with that."

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:32

    Tom Merritt is in the studio with Leo and Becky Worley at the event.

    starts in 15mins. should be brilliant.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:32

    Word on the street is that Apple has filmed a finale commercial to the ‘Get a Mac’ series but this time with just John Hodgeman.  The commercial was filmed at a bar in Greenpoint, Brooklyn last week and get this: PC pretends to be a bartender and gets a guy drunk in order to get his hands on his new Apple prototype!

    http://www.edibleapple.com/rumor-final-get-a-mac-ad-air-wwdc-john-hodgman-bartender/

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:33

    Though, maybe it is an App, still - great idea

    "When ordering steak, users can even specify how they'd like the meat cooked and which sauce they'd prefer. It will even ask them if they'd like fries with that."

    I actually don't like that. I'd prefer to interact with knowledgable wait staff

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:34

    PC pretends to be a bartender and gets a guy drunk in order to get his hands on his new Apple prototype!

    could be a new role for you...

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:34

    I actually don't like that. I'd prefer to interact with knowledgable wait staff

    would be cool if you could book a table in advance.

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:34

    . o O ( Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field has been brought online )

  • Pat W07/06/2010 at 16:35

    This seems as good a place as any to pass on a request for assistance for @Pinkgineer, who is going to Le Mans and is looking for iPhone help.

    http://twitter.com/Pinkgineer/statuses/15635675947

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:35

    could be a new role for you...

    Hi, I'm a Mac

    Hi, I'm a Bassano :D

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:35

    would be cool if you could book a table in advance.

    I don't know about outside the US but there's an app/site called Opentable that allows you to do that in the states with participating restaurants.

  • Steven Roy07/06/2010 at 16:35

    would be cool if you could book a table in advance.

    They must have an app for that

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:36

    @twittelator:

    By 5:15 am, the lines for #wwdc wrapped 3 large city blocks

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:37

    This seems as good a place as any to pass on a request for assistance for @Pinkgineer, who is going to Le Mans and is looking for iPhone help.

    have replied.

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:39

    twit is now live with alex lindsay too

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:39

    twit is now live with alex lindsay too

    GAH! THAT BEARD!!

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:40

    GAH! THAT BEARD!!

    :)

  • Steven Roy07/06/2010 at 16:40

    The beard has its own twitter account

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:40

    I like this Apple made spoof of John Hodgman impersonating Steve Jobs, from 2007

    http://www.edibleapple.com/wwdc-flashback-john-hodgman-impersonates-steve-jobs-makes-fun-of-microsoft/

  • Steven Roy07/06/2010 at 16:41

    http://twitter.com/acedtect_beard

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:41

    ahh, becky is at the venue.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:44

    What is this white screen wonder?: http://live.twit.tv/

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:45

    What is this white screen wonder?

    http://www.ustream.tv/leolaporte

  • Steven Roy07/06/2010 at 16:45

    Someone took down twit. Normally they do tha to other people

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:46

    Mr C: Not that I'm too bothered but I go by a single name now, like Madonna or Cher [but with less cosmetic surgery]

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:46

    Someone took down twit. Normally they do tha to other people

    True

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:47

    Someone took down twit. Normally they do tha to other people

    it's working fine for me (at least right now), but I'm on a fancy-dancy and fast corporate network.

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:47

    Mr C: Not that I'm too bothered but I go by a single name now, like Madonna or Cher [but with less cosmetic surgery]

    hehe. will get that sorted. soz.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:47

    I forgot to include iPhone OS 4 in the post

    Too many rumours!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:48

    Vast majority of people seem to be getting seated, few people still filing in to the hall

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:49

    I forgot to include iPhone OS 4 in the post

    Too many rumours!

    i really want the default iphone resolution to be upped to 960. that would make a huge difference to sidepodcast videos. have been waiting for it for a whole year (and more).

    what do we reckon?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:50

    I forgot to include iPhone OS 4 in the post

    By tomorrow, I'll need only one page for apps - with folders

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:51

    By tomorrow, I'll need only one page for apps - with folders

    that's weird... Android already has folders...

    ;)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:51

    what do we reckon?

    I hear it may be tagged HD but won't be actually. Who knows

    Better, not as good as we hope, is my guess

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:52

    I hear it may be tagged HD but won't be actually. Who knows

    that would be a shame.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:52

    that's weird... Android already has folders...

    Apple doesn't care about being first, it wants to do it well ;) ;)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:53

    Safari 5 with better html5 integration too

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:54

    Safari 5 with better html5 integration too

    be interesting to see if that makes a difference to the site. we;re using lots of html5 here, not sure if it'll all spring to life or fall flat on its bum.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:54

    i really want the default iphone resolution to be upped to 960. that would make a huge difference to sidepodcast videos. have been waiting for it for a whole year (and more).

    960 x 640?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7798519/New-iPhone-rumoured-to-quadruple-screen-resolution.html

    Which is 640 resolution, yes?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:55

    A camera is panning around the audience showing a video feed of people fiddling with their iPads on the big screens.

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 16:55

    Apple doesn't care about being first, it wants to do it well ;) ;)

    yes, because folders are so darn difficult to do well!

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:56

    Which is 640 resolution, yes?

    it's currently 640x480. i want 960x480 minimum, 720p ideally.

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:56

    960x480

    *960x640

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:57

    yes, because folders are so darn difficult to do well!

    I do like the fact that Android is doing wel though.

    Funny to hear that Windows Mobile is being targeted for Malware with such a small market share :lol:

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:58

    it's currently 640x480. i want 960x480 minimum, 720p ideally.

    So 960x640 is squarer?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 16:58

    Music faded down, they're welcoming everyone to WWDC and asking people to turn off cell phones, PDA's.

  • me07/06/2010 at 16:59

    So 960x640 is squarer?

    good question. my maths aren't right somewhere...

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:01

    good question. my maths aren't right somewhere...

    I read a piece on the company that counted the pixels of the samples photographed, trying to find now

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:01

    good question. my maths aren't right somewhere...

    960 must be 960x720, which is hd, so maybe the telgraph have it wrong?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:01

    I read a piece on the company that counted the pixels of the samples photographed, trying to find now

    the next iPhone will have a screen resolution of 960 x 640. This is quadruple the number of pixels on current iPhones, which have a screen resolution of 480 x 320

    http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/29/microscopic-signs-that-next-gen-iphone-screen-resolution-960-x-6/

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:02

    MacRumors notes this increases the pixel density to 320 dots per inch (dpi), much higher than the Motorola Droid's 265 dpi or Nexus One's 252 dpi.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:03

    the next iPhone will have a screen resolution of 960 x 640. This is quadruple the number of pixels on current iPhones, which have a screen resolution of 480 x 320

    right. now i got it.

    the actual screen res isn't important to me. what i need to know, is what it's capable of playing back. which right now is 640x480.

    so i want 4.0 to be capable of playing back HD, even if it doesn't display true HD. if that makes sense.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:04

    so i want 4.0 to be capable of playing back HD, even if it doesn't display true HD. if that makes sense.

    Yup, agreed

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:04

    iPad: Over 2 million sold, 1 sold every 3 seconds.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:05

    iPad: Over 2 million sold, 1 sold every 3 seconds.

    In two months!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:06

    This will be half an hour of back-slapping

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:07

    why is the store still up?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:07

    why is the store still up?

    It will be till anything is actually announced

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:08

    Mr C: Did you hear how to import from external storage using the Camera Connection kit on the iPad?

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:08

    will the f1 app get a shoutout?

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:08

    Mr C: Did you hear how to import from external storage using the Camera Connection kit on the iPad?

    nope

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:09

    Mr C: Did you hear how to import from external storage using the Camera Connection kit on the iPad?

    nope

    Create a Root Folder on pen drive or such and call it DCIM

    Will be able to import photos or video

    Simples

  • Lynch07/06/2010 at 17:09

    Dont be daft... bernie would want $$ for that!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:09

    will the f1 app get a shoutout?

    It's on the WWDC poster, apparently

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:10

    Dont be daft... bernie would want $$ for that!

    :)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:10

    UStream is not down here

  • Steven Roy07/06/2010 at 17:10

    ustream is not down

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:11

    He he

    http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2010-06-07/f1275930501.jpg

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:11

    Biggest request fulfilled, ability to view and read PDF's inside of iBooks.

    awesome

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:11

    He he

    http://photos....06-07/f1275930501.jpg

    Theo Gray, Wolfram Associates, email to Steve: "I earned more on sales of The Elements for iPad in the first day than from 5 years of Google ads on periodictable.com."

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:12

    Biggest request fulfilled, ability to view and read PDF's inside of iBooks.

    Very good

  • James07/06/2010 at 17:12

    He he

    http://photos....06-07/f1275930501.jpg

    Taking swipes at Google without really doing it, brilliant ;)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:13

    Biggest request fulfilled, ability to view and read PDF's inside of iBooks.

    awesome

    I converted Alex's book to ePub and it works but the formatting is a little off

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:13

    SJ: Anyone can write HTML5 apps

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:13

    SJ: Anyone can write HTML5 apps

    my mum can't

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:14

    my mum can't

    :lol:

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:14

    95% [of apps] approved within 7 days

    That's a big improvement since last year

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:15

    Is Leo inside?

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:16

    Is Leo inside?

    away on personal business

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:16

    away on personal business

    'k

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:20

    Saying "hi" to Giggles when he reads this later :D

    *waves from the past*

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:20

    hehe!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:21

    I don't get Farmville

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:22

    I'm liking this commentary http://www.ustream.tv/leolaporte

    and this text http://www.macrumorslive.com/

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:22

    I don't get Farmville

    not interested

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:23

    I don't get Farmville

    not interested

    Agreed.

    Didn't need it on Facebook, no need to change that

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 17:24

    this the right thread bassano?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:24

    I want video footage of Steve saying: The iPad is frickin' awesome isn't it? Told ya!

    :D

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:25

    this the right thread bassano?

    Aye

    Or should I say"i"?

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:25

    doh!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:26

    "We should do a hyperbole count"

    :lol:

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:27

    phew for steve

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 17:27

    I have the unique problem of SPC being incompatible with Pocket IE. Don't hate me for using Doohickey, LCLT doesn't work!!!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:27

    5 billion downloads on the app store!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:28

    I have the unique problem of SPC being incompatible with Pocket IE. Don't hate me for using Doohickey, LCLT doesn't work!!!

    Make sure you have mobile AV running

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:28

    I have the unique problem of SPC being incompatible with Pocket IE. Don't hate me for using Doohickey, LCLT doesn't work!!!

    you have no chance of that working on pocket IE. not in a million :)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:28

    I have the unique problem of SPC being incompatible with Pocket IE. Don't hate me for using Doohickey, LCLT doesn't work!!!

    S'ok

    Didn't know if you wanted all the Apple chat

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:28

    "Now I'd like to talk about the iPhone."

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 17:29

    Make sure you have mobile AV running

    Mobile whatnow?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:29

    Mobile whatnow?

    AntiVirus

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:29

    "Now I'd like to talk about the iPhone."

    hallelujah

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:29

    Q1 2010: iPhone has 28% of the US Market Share

    Android at 9%.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:30

    US mobile browser usage for may, iPhone at 58%.

  • Christine07/06/2010 at 17:30

    Have I missed anything?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:30

    Have I missed anything?

    Not really

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:30

    Have I missed anything?

    yup, the boring stuff.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:31

    Have I missed anything?

    Apparently, Apple are doing quite well these days

  • James07/06/2010 at 17:31

    Apparently, Apple are doing quite well these days

    :)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:31

    Twitter is starting to sound like a Chemical Brothers remix

    I may have to turn off Tweetdeck

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 17:31

    AntiVirus

    That's scary, mobile antivirus? Pocket PC 2002 that insecure?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:32

    iPhone: "All new design"

    Shocker!

    #Sarcasm

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:33

    iPhone: "All new design"

    Same as the leaked pics

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:33

    9.3mm thick

    24% thinner

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:33

    Thinnest Smart Phone on the planet

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:34

    Front camera

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:34

    front camera!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:34

    LED Flash and Micro SIM tray

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:34

    Noise Cancellation

  • Christine07/06/2010 at 17:34

    Is it square? I like square. Not silly rounded edges.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:35

    Is it square? I like square. Not silly rounded edges.

    Flat on both sides, yes

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:36

    Is it square? I like square. Not silly rounded edges.

    much more so, almost like the original touch.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:36

    Metal band round the edge is the antennae

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 17:36

    ok the antenna idea is pretty cool.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:36

    Called iPhone 4

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 17:36

    Is it square? I like square. Not silly rounded edges.

    Yup, so you have to buy ALL NEW ACCESSORIES!!

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:36

    iphone 4? that's the name?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:36

    Retina Display

    ??

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:36

    iphone 4? that's the name?

    Yup

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:37

    New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:37

    Retina Display

    ?

  • Christine07/06/2010 at 17:37

    Flat on both sides, yes

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:37

    Is it square? I like square. Not silly rounded edges.

    http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/apple-wwdc-2010-160-rm-eng.jpg

  • lou07/06/2010 at 17:38

    hello. i'm home and away from hyperactive dogs.. what have i missed?

  • Christine07/06/2010 at 17:38

    Flat on both sides, yes

    Phew.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:38

    Retina Display

    ?

    New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:38

    hello. i'm home and away from hyperactive dogs.. what have i missed?

    awesome phone

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:39

    New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.

    oh. nothing to do with retinas then

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:39

    hello. i'm home and away from hyperactive dogs.. what have i missed?

    iPhone 4 being announced

    Listen here http://www.ustream.tv/leolaporte

    Text here: http://www.macrumorslive.com/

  • lou07/06/2010 at 17:39

    awesome phone

    before i start checking engadget.. i'm going to want this phone aren't it?..

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:39

    Showing examples of the two screens. "Once you use a retina display you can't go back."

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:40

    New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.

    Text like "a fine printed book."

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:40

    alex saying next ipad could be 1080p. christ.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:41

    before i start checking engadget.. i'm going to want this phone aren't it?..

    i do

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:41

    alex saying next ipad could be 1080p. christ.

    I was already expecting to sell and upgrade as soon as v2.0 comes out

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:41

    before i start checking engadget.. i'm going to want this phone aren't it?..

    Definitely. I do

  • lou07/06/2010 at 17:41

    i do

    oooooooooooo it looks very pretty....

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:42

    SJ: "You know you could help me out, if you're on WiFi if you could just get off... well we're having a little problem here."

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 17:42

    prloblems at the keynote.

    some apple guy is gonna get whacked tonight.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:43

    at&t have let steve down...

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:43

    prloblems at the keynote.

    It's Moscone Centre's WiFi

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:43

    "switching to back-ups"

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:43

    Are they using Media Temple?

  • RubberGoat07/06/2010 at 17:44

    at&t have let steve down...

    You gotta wonder why they stuck with AT&T...

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 17:44

    at&t have let steve down...

    it would be hilarious if this is just a "setup" for a verizon announcement.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:44

    You gotta wonder why they stuck with AT&T...

    $$$

  • RubberGoat07/06/2010 at 17:45

    You gotta wonder why they stuck with AT&T...

    $$$

    Oh yeah, I know,,,

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:45

    at&t have let steve down...

    3G is terrible when Apple has a conference, this is wifi

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:45

    960x640, but what will it play?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:45

    TWiT buffering a lot now

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:45

    IPS screen like the iPad

  • RubberGoat07/06/2010 at 17:46

    http://twitter.com/mollywood/status/15645219248

    The 3GS is on WiFi, but the 4 isn't. New antenna not all that? Jobs: "got any suggestions?" Heckler: "Verizon!" Jobs: "we're on WiFi." #wwdc

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:46

    Someone shouts, "Try Verizon."

    :lol:

  • Christine07/06/2010 at 17:46

    Seeing the NYT load has never been so exciting. "Scott, you have any ideas?" Someone yelled Verzion! Ha!

    Hehehe.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:47

    Retina Display has 78% of the pixels of an iPad

    !!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:48

    Retina Display has 78% of the pixels of an iPad

    And the same A4 processor

    Super fast

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:49

    Bigger battery plus A4 processor, 40% more talk time. 7 hours talk time. 6 hours of 3G browsing, 10 hours of WiFi browsing, 10 hours of video. 40 hours of music.

  • lou07/06/2010 at 17:50

    how many mega pix does the camera have? an improvement i hope..

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:50

    32GB of storage

    Still?

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:50

    gyroscope?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:50

    how many mega pix does the camera have? an improvement i hope..

    Not sure yet

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:50

    gyroscope?

    3 axis movement sensing?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:51

    3 axis movement sensing?

    6?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:51

    3 axis movement sensing?

    Ah

    Gyro + accelerometer = 6 axis motion sensing.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:51

    3 axis movement sensing?

    could be amazing if you're a racing driver!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:52

    ZenBound will be amazing with this.

    Love that game

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 17:54

    so same old 3GS but with the things it needed, like better battery life, more talk time. 3GS had better come down in price to make this worth the wait.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:54

    how many mega pix does the camera have? an improvement i hope..

    Here it comes

    Feature 5- New camera system.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:54

    5mp lou - steve say megapixels aren't everything.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:55

    so same old 3GS but with the things it needed, like better battery life, more talk time. 3GS had better come down in price to make this worth the wait.

    They'll probably offer a cheaper 16gb 3G S version as an entry level like last year

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:55

    5mp lou - steve say megapixels aren't everything.

    He's right, quality of lens and sensor

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:55

    1.75 micron pixel size in sensor

    Err, ok

  • lou07/06/2010 at 17:55

    5mp lou - steve say megapixels aren't everything.

    5mp is fine :) i agree it's how they are used. but it will mean iphone pics will be nicer to look at. it only needs to be 5megapix.. no need for any more..

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:56

    5x digital zoom in camera app and tap to focus with LED flash.

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:57

    video: 720p at 30fps

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:57

    it'll PLAYBACK 720p! yes!

    we're going hi-def on sidepodcast ;)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:57

    Camera records HD video!

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:57

    WANT!

  • lou07/06/2010 at 17:58

    WANT!

    but.. you don't like phones remember? ;)

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 17:58

    that'll teach me, wrong thread. mobile doohickey. :-

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:58

    imovie!!!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:58

    WANT!

    But it's a phone from this decade! ;)

  • me07/06/2010 at 17:58

    *BOOM*

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:58

    imovie!!!

    Wow

  • lou07/06/2010 at 17:59

    *BOOM*

    :D :D :D if you want to get rid of Christine's phone i'll looks after it for you :P

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 17:59

    Record, edit, and share HD video right on your phone.

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 17:59

    y'know i said i needed a new smartphone? can i have a 3GS?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:01

    y'know i said i needed a new smartphone? can i have a 3GS?

    Yeah, you can buy mine :)

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 18:01

    so plays hd, but no hd display? 1280x720 guys, c'mon......

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:02

    Yeah, you can buy mine :)

    It's only about 3 months old with a years Apple Care remaining ;)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:02

    so plays hd, but no hd display? 1280x720 guys, c'mon......

    Too close to warrant it, arms length

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 18:02

    so plays hd, but no hd display? 1280x720 guys, c'mon......

    Yeah, and editing HD video on a smartphone screen will be OH SO AWESOME!

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:02

    so plays hd, but no hd display? 1280x720 guys,

    don't be daft. your eyes cannot tell the difference at that size.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:04

    Yeah, and editing HD video on a smartphone screen will be OH SO AWESOME!

    Edit and send to a friend or family on the fly, why not?

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 18:04

    don't be daft. your eyes cannot tell the difference at that size.

    then why even play HD?

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:04

    Edit and send to TO SIDEPODCAST on the fly, why not?

    *corrected

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 18:04

    plays hd video and eats battery life. would be nice to have H.264 High Profile 4.1 really.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:05

    Edit and send to TO SIDEPODCAST on the fly, why not?

    *corrected

    Of course :)

    Alex will be happy

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:05

    then why even play HD?

    Because it's the future of broadcasting

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:05

    plays hd video and eats battery life. would be nice to have H.264 High Profile 4.1 really.

    10 hours of video playback

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:05

    *corrected

    i love that you are so in love with this phone you are using capital letters :)

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:06

    then why even play HD?

    in a word, formats. it means the same HD video can play on the iphone, the ipad and the mac and the apple TV.

    it means WE only have to produce x1 file

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:06

    i love that you are so in love with this phone you are using capital letters :)

    :lol:

    :lol:

    :lol:

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:06

    plays hd video and eats battery life.

    don't care, sidepodcast has been stuck on 640x360 for too long. WE need this.

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:07

    i love that you are so in love with this phone you are using capital letters

    :)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:07

    don't care, sidepodcast has been stuck on 640x360 for too long. WE need this.

    Me too

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:07

    iOS 4.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:07

    Can I have 6 stars for this thread please? I love this phone

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:07

    :)

    i also love that this means with the downshifting you get lots of time to play on said device and make lots of awesome videos ;)

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:08

    Can I have 6 stars for this thread please? I love this phone

    best keynote ever. and haven't even seen html5 on safari.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:09

    OS details now that have been previously announced

    Multi-tasking, etc

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:09

    i also love that this means with the downshifting you get lots of time to play on said device and make lots of awesome videos

    totally

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:09

    Anyone getting Twit.tv to run ok?

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:10

    Anyone getting Twit.tv to run ok?

    all good for me. but they lost the list audio

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:10

    Photos from Keynote being updated here: http://www.macrumorslive.com/photos/

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 18:10

    Anyone getting Twit.tv to run ok?

    it's running fine for me.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:11

    The website loaded now that everyone has turned off wifi. amazing amout of a page viewable on high res screen

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:12

    Virgin Media are definitely throttling my broadband

    Rotters

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:14

    iOS 4 released today?

    C'mon Steve, say yes

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:14

    bing for search :)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:14

    bing for search :)

    As well as Google & Yahoo?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:14

    bing for search :)

    As well as Google & Yahoo?

    Seems so

    Adding Bing as a third search option. Google will remain the default still.

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:15

    gold master today...

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:15

    developers only. gah!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:15

    gold master today...

    Is that release or a super beta?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:15

    developers only. gah!

    :(

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:16

    Is that release or a super beta?

    release. it's done, they're giving to developers so they can update their apps first.

    fair call i guess.

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 18:16

    pretty sure Cisco uses the term iOS for their router and switch OS's

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:16

    emailed pdf goes to ibooks. heaven!

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 18:17

    can mobile doohickey please please pretty please keep track of the thread i post in? i'll ditch the stupid horrible xda for an iphone when ya do! ;-)

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:17

    pretty sure Cisco uses the term iOS for their router and switch OS's

    they do. interesting.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:17

    release. it's done, they're giving to developers so they can update their apps first.

    Weeks away then, probably when iPhone 4 is released or a few days before

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:17

    can mobile doohickey please please pretty please keep track of the thread i post in? i'll ditch the stupid horrible xda for an iphone when ya do!

    hehe. not sure. will look into it.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:18

    iBooks on your phone

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:18

    no sign of the magic pad yet

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:18

    iBooks on your phone

    Download the same book to all devices at no extra charge

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:18

    iBooks on your phone

    too small, no fun.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:18

    no sign of the magic pad yet

    Could be spurious

    One more thing?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:19

    too small, no fun.

    With the super duper retina whatsit?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:19

    no sign of the magic pad yet

    Or Safari 5

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:20

    With the super duper retina whatsit?

    hmmm, not sure. i get fed up of turning pages.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:20

    hmmm, not sure. i get fed up of turning pages.

    Maybe you just have to blink? ;)

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:21

    Maybe you just have to blink?

    hehe!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:21

    Over 150 million [iTunes] accounts with credit cards associated to them

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:22

    iads must be point #8?

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:22

    it is. boo.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:22

    iads must be point #8?

    What Evah!

    [good for devs I guess]

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:23

    good for devs I guess

    true. time to stretch legs.

  • jpancoast07/06/2010 at 18:23

    iads must be point #8?

    I wonder if he's goign to do a "oh, one more thing..."

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:24

    true. time to stretch legs.

    I'll head ping if it's a good "one more thing"

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 18:25

    i just saw a cow rub up against the gate in the field. weird!

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:25

    Are they at the ads yet, is there anywhere i can watch?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:25

    i just saw a cow rub up against the gate in the field. weird!

    Holy iCow

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:26

    Are they at the ads yet, is there anywhere i can watch?

    Yup [the first]

    Commentary, not keynote http://live.twit.tv/

    Updates: http://www.macrumorslive.com/

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:27

    Are they at the ads yet, is there anywhere i can watch?

    570 gadgets on WiFi crashed the network, no more streaming from laptops

  • Turkey Machine07/06/2010 at 18:27

    so new iphone. same buzz like every year?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:28

    so new iphone. same buzz like every year?

    Better than expected I'd say

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:29

    570 gadgets on WiFi crashed the network, no more streaming from laptops

    What on earth were they expecting?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:30

    I hate the way they say Nissan

    Nee-sahn

    Grrrr

  • RubberGoat07/06/2010 at 18:30

    I hate the way they say Nissan

    Nee-sahn

    Grrrr

    It's like a long relaxing breath...

    Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.............. saaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn.....

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:31

    Love Janna's retweet:

    The new iphone contains a tiny beating heart, so at last it can love you back

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:31

    It's like a long relaxing breath...

    Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.............. saaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn.....

    I prefer Dat Sun :D

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:32

    One more thing...

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:32

    One more thing...

    sits down again

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:32

    Lights coming up in auditorium lining curtains on wall behind Steve

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:33

    ichat

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:33

    Showing video call with Jony Ive

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:33

    It'll be iChat on the phone

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:34

    Yup, video calling

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:35

    Yup, video calling

    Apple calls this "FaceTime"

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:35

    can you iphone to ichat on the mac?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:35

    When's it out Steve?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:36

    can you iphone to ichat on the mac?

    Dunno yet

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:36

    can you iphone to ichat on the mac?

    "iPhone 4 to iPhone 4, anywhere there is WiFi"

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:36

    Does iphone 4 have a flash?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:36

    Both front and rear camera can be used, switching is easy

    Portrait and landscape mode is supported

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:36

    Dunno yet

    calling it face time must mean no. skype video will be awesome if they're allowed camera access.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:36

    Does iphone 4 have a flash?

    Yes

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:37

    Does iphone 4 have a flash?

    i'm going to guess at no..

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:37

    iPhone 4 to iPhone 4, anywhere there is WiFi

    not 3g?

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:37

    Yes

    woah. wasn't expecting that..

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:37

    calling it face time must mean no. skype video will be awesome if they're allowed camera access.

    Sounds too much like Face Plant

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:37

    not 3g?

    Not in 2010

    [i.e. AT&T couldn't handle it]

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:37

    Sounds too much like Face Plant

    or facebook

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:38

    woah. wasn't expecting that..

    I was

    They had to

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:38

    Not in 2010

    what about the uk though?

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:38

    Does iphone 4 have a flash?

    Yes

    Awesome, i might get one, im guessing it will be out here in about 6 months

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:38

    Sounds too much like Face Plant

    or facebook

    Yeah, but that's not funny ;)

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:38

    I was

    They had to

    i'm kinda sad they did

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:38

    Awesome, i might get one, im guessing it will be out here in about 6 months

    Weeks, no doubt

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:39

    i'm kinda sad they did

    cause?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:39

    iPhone 4 to iPhone 4, anywhere there is WiFi

    not 3g?

    FaceTime WiFi only in 2010, "Need to work a little bit with the cellular providers."

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:40

    FaceTime WiFi only in 2010, "Need to work a little bit with the cellular providers.

    alex can stick with ustream :)

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:40

    Weeks, no doubt

    hehe, we still dont have an ipad release date!

    people just import and resell, the apple dealers here must be pretty unhappy

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:40

    FaceTime: Based on many open standards, h.264, AAC, SIP, STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, SRTP, Apple going to standards body tomorrow to make FaceTime an open industry standard.

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:40

    cause?

    just cause i kinda liked that they stuck to their guns about not having it.. i know it makes more sense and will be a way of gaining lots of new sales.. tis just kinda sad they gave in.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:41

    hehe, we still dont have an ipad release date!

    Is it because it's Yahoo capable? ;)

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:41

    just cause i kinda liked that they stuck to their guns about not having it.. i know it makes more sense and will be a way of gaining lots of new sales.. tis just kinda sad they gave in.

    got ya

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:41

    Is it because it's Yahoo capable? ;)

    huh?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:41

    White or Black

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:41

    huh?

    Or Flickr

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:42

    Generous upgrade offers from AT&T

    C'mon O2

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:42

    No 64GB. 16 or 32GB only

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:42

    Available June 24th

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:43

    Or Flickr

    ah, yahoo is big here, they own a portal.

    flikr not so much

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:43

    24 june

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:44

    24 june

    Including UK

    :D

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:44

    uk in june

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:44

    Nick: iPhone 4 in 88 countries by end of September.

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:44

    when are OS upgrades available? same day?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:45

    when are OS upgrades available? same day?

    21st

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:45

    awesome, free for itouch!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:45

    Coloured "bumpers" available

    http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2010-06-07/f1275936281.jpg

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:46

    Nick: iPhone 4 in 88 countries by end of September.

    i guess i will have to wait then!

    bet you they are on sale here june 25, in every mall by june 30th

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:46

    awesome, free for itouch!

    And the iPod Touch ;)

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:46

    awesome, free for itouch!

    freaking finally

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:46

    bet you they are on sale here june 25, in every mall by june 30th

    Of course, for some wonga

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:46

    awesome, free for itouch!

    wohoooooo!!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:47

    iOS4 upgrades for iPhone 3GS, iPhone 3G (with not all features supported), and iPod touch (again with not all features and no first generation) for free on June 21st.

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:47

    freaking finally

    *does a little dance* yaaayyy!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:47

    If O2 offer me an upgrade I may bite their hand off

    Apple seem keen to roll this one out

    Android competition?

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:49

    Apple seem keen to roll this one out

    Android competition?

    Having used it for nearly a year i have come to the conclusion Android is absoloutly hopeless

    I think microsoft will get something together soon if they can bring all there clouds & online platforms together, but probably a year away

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:50

    I think microsoft will get something together soon if they can bring all there clouds & online platforms together, but probably a year away

    Mobile 7 is rolling out soon

    No one is excited

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:50

    Having used it for nearly a year i have come to the conclusion Android is absoloutly hopeless

    how come? christine's new one is brilliant.

  • lou07/06/2010 at 18:51

    Having used it for nearly a year i have come to the conclusion Android is absoloutly hopeless

    but... the desire is so pretty...

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:51

    Mobile 7 is rolling out soon

    No one is excited

    i think it will be the next gen after that, prob about 18 months away

  • Christine07/06/2010 at 18:51

    how come? christine's new one is brilliant.

    Yup. I loves it.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:51

    how come? christine's new one is brilliant.

    Nick has an older one

    Is 2.[something] much better?

  • Christine07/06/2010 at 18:52

    Is 2.[something] much better?

    Oh yes.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:52

    i think it will be the next gen after that, prob about 18 months away

    Pfft!

    [laughs]

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:53

    SJ about to say bye bye to the audience

    Thanks for coming and all that

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:53

    how come? christine's new one is brilliant.

    There are so many iterations, its all so uncoordinated, most handsets are non upgradable, patches are next to invisible.

    I have given up on the app store due to there being so many uncompatible apps.

    & my phone came out less than a year ago!

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:53

    imovie in your pocket is rather stunning. sooo compelling.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:54

    Steve mentioned at D8 last week that he thought of the iPad first and when they produced a prototypre, he knew they had to make an iPhone first

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:56

    There are so many iterations, its all so uncoordinated, most handsets are non upgradable, patches are next to invisible.

    fair enough. to me it's credible competition for the iphone, imovie is the killer feature for me as of today though.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:56

    Keynote is over!

    A biggun, 1hr 55mins

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:57

    no apple tv... in your face mr. andronov ;)

    (assuming you read this one day)

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:57

    where the touch pad thing? grr

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:58

    no apple tv... in your face mr. andronov ;)

    New hardware announcements would get swallowed up in this news, they'll wait a few weeks

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:58

    Glass front AND back

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 18:58

    There are so many iterations, its all so uncoordinated, most handsets are non upgradable, patches are next to invisible.

    fair enough. to me it's credible competition for the iphone, imovie is the killer feature for me as of today though.

    They have nice launches, but there is no effort to retain existing users, i dont think they consider it beyond "upgrading, but considering most contracts are 18-24 months it just isnt credible.

    untill they fix that i dont think i will get another

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:59

    New hardware announcements would get swallowed up in this news, they'll wait a few weeks

    i said september, we shall see.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:59

    where the touch pad thing? grr

    You know a lot of leaks are intentional

  • me07/06/2010 at 18:59

    You know a lot of leaks are intentional

    but i could make so much use of it

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 18:59

    i said september, we shall see.

    The media consumption/iPod event

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:00

    but i could make so much use of it

    Email Steve ;)

    [email protected]

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 19:01

    Email Steve ;)

    [email protected]

    i wonder if it still works!

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:01

    The media consumption/iPod event

    agreed.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:03

    i wonder if it still works!

    It does, he gave out the address again tonight

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:03

    http://www.apple.com/iphone/

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:04
  • me07/06/2010 at 19:05

    the sentence i've been waiting to read for a whole year:

    Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio

    thank you steve!!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:07

    the sentence i've been waiting to read for a whole year:

    Video formats supported: H.264 video up to 720p, 30 frames per second, Main Profile level 3.1 with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio

    thank you steve!!

    w00t

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:07

    iTunes 9.2 or later?

    i only have 9.1

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:08

    iTunes 9.2 or later?

    i only have 9.1

    It'll be released days before or on June 21st when the iOS is released

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:12

    10hrs of WiFi browsing, 6hrs on 3G

    That'll help for those twitter bus journeys to and from meet-ups

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:14

    10hrs of WiFi browsing, 6hrs on 3G

    That'll help for those twitter bus journeys to and from meet-ups

    why did giggles take a holiday this week. this needs discussion.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:15

    why did giggles take a holiday this week. this needs discussion.

    Maybe the management decided he couldn't take the excitement ;)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:15

    why did giggles take a holiday this week. this needs discussion.

    Maybe the management decided he couldn't take the excitement ;)

    Plus, she wants this one for herself

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:15

    Maybe the management decided he couldn't take the excitement

    am sure kat needs a new phone by now.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:16

    am sure kat needs a new phone by now.

    She gets Alex's 3G S

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:16

    gold master apparently available for download later today.

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:16

    She gets Alex's 3G S

    that's a fair deal

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:17

    She gets Alex's 3G S

    that's a fair deal

    Ya think?

    Obviously, the soft monsters are preferable

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:19

    I want an O2 annoouncement this week or there's gonna be trouble

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:20

    i have resisted having a phone for sooo long. gah!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:21

    i have resisted having a phone for sooo long. gah!

    But it's an HD camera :D

  • lou07/06/2010 at 19:21

    i have resisted having a phone for sooo long. gah!

    even steve jobs doesn't want you to downshift lol!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:21

    even steve jobs doesn't want you to downshift lol!

    :lol:

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:22

    But it's an HD camera

    i have a hd camera.

    what i don't have is the ability to edit HD movies on the move and then upload them. that's the killer feature. i movie on the ipad will rock the house too.

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:23

    even steve jobs doesn't want you to downshift lol!

    he knows!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:26

    he knows!

    Your MBP probably told him ;)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:38

    Christine & Mr C:

    Thanks for indulging the Apple hardcore, me especially, in the bestest breakout ever

  • RubberGoat07/06/2010 at 19:38

    I showed Mrs Goat the lovely iPhone 4 video on the Apple website.

    Turns out she's immune to the Kool Aid :(

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:39

    Alex Lindsay:

    This iPhone is 3 times faster than the Mac I used to render Star War [effects]

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:40

    Turns out she's immune to the Kool Aid :(

    Boo! :)

  • Lukeh07/06/2010 at 19:40

    Turns out she's immune to the Kool Aid :(

    I am with her on this. Just another iphone to me, I don't understand why everyone is so impressed.

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:41

    I am with her on this. Just another iphone to me, I don't understand why everyone is so impressed.

    I heard that a lot when the iPad was announced

    Not so much now, especially when they play with it

  • Lukeh07/06/2010 at 19:41

    Not so much now, especially when they play with it

    I'll be quiet then ;)

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:42

    Alex Lindsay:

    This iPhone is 3 times faster than the Mac I used to render Star War [effects]

    madness

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:42

    I'll be quiet then ;)

    If everyone wanted an iPhone there'd be no competition to make the next one better

  • lou07/06/2010 at 19:43

    I am with her on this. Just another iphone to me, I don't understand why everyone is so impressed.

    oh... lukeh... when it's released you and i are taking a trip to the apple store. i'll show you why it's so awesome.. (even though i still want an android)..

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:43

    I'll be quiet then ;)

    Plus, the Mac people get it cos the Magic Mouse whispers its secrets to us ;)

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 19:44

    oooh... it doesnt take sim cards?

    thats gonna be a big pain

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:44

    I am with her on this. Just another iphone to me, I don't understand why everyone is so impressed.

    it depends what you might use it for. for me, portable movie editing is heaven. will have to see how they implement it, but to me this = creativity.

    questions remain whether the camera will be open to all developers. but the future is looking fantastic, if you're:

    a) into creating things on the move

    b) involved in a website that encourages people to create things on the move

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:44

    (even though i still want an android)..

    I want an Android too

    Only its name is C-3PO

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:45

    oooh... it doesnt take sim cards?

    thats gonna be a big pain

    Mico-SIM is the new format

  • lou07/06/2010 at 19:45

    Only its name is C-3PO

    i had to google that.. silly star wars.

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 19:46

    Mico-SIM is the new format

    im supprised they didnt make it take both, i have 4 sim cards, replacing them all will be difficult

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:47

    i had to google that.. silly star wars.

    True

    The Empire Strikes Back is waaay better

  • me07/06/2010 at 19:48

    im supprised they didnt make it take both, i have 4 sim cards, replacing them all will be difficult

    wast of space, surely?

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 19:48

    wast of space, surely?

    Plus, they want to avoid people like Nick who will put all 4 SIMs in ;)

  • RubberGoat07/06/2010 at 20:07

    Turns out she's immune to the Kool Aid :(

    I am with her on this. Just another iphone to me, I don't understand why everyone is so impressed.

    I don't have an iPhone at all...

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 20:19

    im supprised they didnt make it take both, i have 4 sim cards, replacing them all will be difficult

    wast of space, surely?

    it could be a dual funtioning slot, same size as current sim slot, but also takes microsim?

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 20:20

    wast of space, surely?

    Plus, they want to avoid people like Nick who will put all 4 SIMs in ;)

    someone was mentioning the otherday, you cant get a dual sim smartphone, you have to buy a regular handset if you want that functionality

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 20:21

    someone was mentioning the otherday, you cant get a dual sim smartphone, you have to buy a regular handset if you want that functionality

    Yeah, they tend to be pig ugly and slightly fatter

  • Nick07/06/2010 at 20:24

    someone was mentioning the otherday, you cant get a dual sim smartphone, you have to buy a regular handset if you want that functionality

    Yeah, they tend to be pig ugly and slightly fatter

    people tend to use 2 phones here a lot more than the uk, typicaly 1 being a blackberry.

    i saw somone with a blackberry taped to an iphone with ductape!

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 20:46
  • Scott Woodwiss07/06/2010 at 20:51

    Have you seen this thing in white?!

    http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=newsimg/10/06/iphone-4-announced/gsmarena_015.jpg

    Thing. of. beauty! :D

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 20:53

    Have you seen this thing in white?!

    Bleurgh!

    I hate white phones & iPods

    Each to his own, I s'pose

  • me07/06/2010 at 20:57

    Have you seen this thing in white?!

    tempting

  • lou07/06/2010 at 20:57

    Have you seen this thing in white?!

    http://www.gsm...nced/gsmarena_015.jpg

    eewww... am not a fan of it in white...i'll have an imaginary one in black please :)

  • Bassano07/06/2010 at 21:25

    Final one for this thread from me

    Eleven-year-old Accidentally Downloads $1000 App

    Double Eeek!

  • Lukeh07/06/2010 at 22:04

    Hehehehe.

    http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2010/06/4fbc13a684674ca0bc58cce141a13c5e/340x.jpg

  • me07/06/2010 at 22:05

    Hehehehe.

    :)

  • me07/06/2010 at 22:22

    safari is coming: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/apple-releases-safari-5-95812499.html

    Safari 5 adds more than a dozen powerful HTML5 features that allow web developers to create media-rich experiences, including full screen playback and closed captions for HTML5 video.

    so why no keynote mention?

  • me08/06/2010 at 00:35

    finally, safari 5. sidepodcast.com looks basically the same :)

  • Nick08/06/2010 at 11:19

    This multi ipad, iphone controled racing game looks amazing

    http://kotaku.com/5557956/two-ipads-and-an-iphone-gets-you-this-racing-game

  • Lukeh08/06/2010 at 11:20

    This multi ipad, iphone controled racing game looks amazing

    Ooooh, I was playing that on giggles ipad last week.

    Looks fun with more than 1 ipad.

  • me08/06/2010 at 11:35

    This multi ipad, iphone controled racing game looks amazing

    oh my. NEED!

  • Jeremy08/06/2010 at 11:37

    oh my. NEED!

    I think someone needs to make a plastic steering wheel holder for the iPhone and one for iPad - just like that Wii thingy

  • Lukeh08/06/2010 at 11:38

    I think someone needs to make a plastic steering wheel holder for the iPhone and one for iPad - just like that Wii thingy

    I'm positive I've seen one or two for the iphone/touch

  • me08/06/2010 at 11:39

    I think someone needs to make a plastic steering wheel holder for the iPhone and one for iPad - just like that Wii thingy

    that too. i always said i needed x3 ipads, i just never knew why.

  • Lukeh08/06/2010 at 12:11

    Steve Jobs should've got Graham Linehan to give him a hand yesterday I reckon

    http://twitter.com/Glinner/statuses/15701709628

  • Nick10/06/2010 at 11:27

    Interesting review of the iphone 4 launch from one of our local papers here http://blogs.thenational.ae/beep_beep/2010/06/boxing-day-reflections-on-nerd-christmas.html

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:30

    Interesting review of the iphone 4 launch from one of our local papers here

    i think they're wrong though:

    the new iPhone cannot accept regular SIM cards, requiring instead a smaller chip called a Micro SIM. This is a terrible thing.

    it's not a terrible thing, it is progress. apple were the first major manufacturer to drop the floppy disk drive and who pines after those any more?

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:34

    it's not a terrible thing, it is progress. apple were the first major manufacturer to drop the floppy disk drive and who pines after those any more?

    or to put it another way. how big would the iphone be if people had insisted the floppy drive stick around?

  • Christine10/06/2010 at 11:34

    or to put it another way. how big would the iphone be if people had insisted the floppy drive stick around?

    Reminiscent of the iPad, I should think.

  • Nick10/06/2010 at 11:34

    it's not a terrible thing it is progress. apple were the first major manufacturer to drop the floppy disk drive and who pines after those any more?

    I guess its a different way preople use phones. Most people in the US/UK will never take the sim out unless something goes wrong with the phone.

    People in this part of the world generally travel more, and have seperate sims for work/personal use, and since they are unlocked people swich between handsets

  • Nick10/06/2010 at 11:36

    or to put it another way. how big would the iphone be if people had insisted the floppy drive stick around?

    But there was a changeover period. this seems like quite an abrupt shift.

    But its there design, I guess its just a little inconvenient for a minority of people

  • Journeyer10/06/2010 at 11:38

    it's not a terrible thing, it is progress. apple were the first major manufacturer to drop the floppy disk drive and who pines after those any more?

    or to put it another way. how big would the iphone be if people had insisted the floppy drive stick around?

    This will make it difficult for many to adopt the new iPhone. Why so? They can't just buy one off the shelves if they don't have a micro SIM yet. They will have to wait for their mobile providers to make micro SIMs. Given that these micro SIMs will have to be made alongside regular SIMs (as only the iPhone will support them for now), not all mobile providers will be able or willing to take this risk financially.

    Will it damage the new iPhone's sales? Depending on what the others offer, it might. At the very least, it will slow iPhone adoption globally compared to previous iterations.

  • Journeyer10/06/2010 at 11:40

    But there was a changeover period. this seems like quite an abrupt shift.

    Indeed. 90s CPUs had both floppy drives and CD drives. Made it easier for people to go CD.

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:40

    But there was a changeover period. this seems like quite an abrupt shift.

    i guess so, but in the case of the floppy drive, cd's had been around for 15 years and still the floppy wouldn't die. mostly because of the edge case people who wouldn't give it up, until forced to.

    if the functionality is the same, only the packaging is smaller, i'm all for pushing people to change.

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:41

    Reminiscent of the iPad, I should think.

    :)

  • Christine10/06/2010 at 11:41

    I guess its just a little inconvenient for a minority of people

    Not something that has ever bothered Apple.

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:42

    Will it damage the new iPhone's sales? Depending on what the others offer, it might.

    why though? every provider who sells the iphone will ensure they have one.

  • Journeyer10/06/2010 at 11:45

    why though? every provider who sells the iphone will ensure they have one.

    1. iPhone isn't the only thing out there. You have Android phones, you have Windows phones, you have Blackberries, you even have Nokias. And they're all catching up to what the iPhone has provided to date.

    2. If a provider wishes to sell it, good and well. But they'll need time to create those micro SIMs, and they need to ensure that they have sufficient supply of both iPhones AND micro SIMs. You can't sell one without the other. And IIRC, the slow supply became a bit of an issue with the iPhone 3GS last year.

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:45

    Not something that has ever bothered Apple.

    my only question is, why not kill off the dvd drive too. shipping software over the net, or via usb sticks would make me very happy.

    *thinks about the 10 final cut dvd's required for every new install*

    it's time to put the round spinny things to bed, c'mon steve.

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:46

    But they'll need time to create those micro SIMs, and they need to ensure that they have sufficient supply of both iPhones AND micro SIMs. You can't sell one without the other. And IIRC, the slow supply became a bit of an issue with the iPhone 3GS last year.

    which probably explains the tiered rollout, internationally.

    i bet at&t have them, same with o2 here already.

  • paul10/06/2010 at 11:49

    it's time to put the round spinny things to bed, c'mon steve.

    Hard disks?

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:51

    Hard disks?

    if SSD was affordable, i'd kill off hard disks asap too.

  • Nick10/06/2010 at 11:51

    *thinks about the 10 final cut dvd's required for every new install*

    You could probably get them all on 1 blu-ray

    #notsolvingtheproblem

  • Journeyer10/06/2010 at 11:52

    my only question is, what not kill off the dvd drive now. shipping software over the net, or via usb sticks would make me very have.

    Data DVDs might be killed off in favour of data Blu-rays. I'm not sure of the cost of a data Blu-ray vs. a USB stick.

  • Journeyer10/06/2010 at 11:52

    You could probably get them all on 1 blu-ray

    #sameperson

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:55

    #notsolvingtheproblem

    :)

    :)

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:56

    Data DVDs might be killed off in favour of data Blu-rays. I'm not sure of the cost of a data Blu-ray vs. a USB stick.

    final cut costs £999, who cares about the price difference of a usb stick when you're spending that much?

  • paul10/06/2010 at 11:56

    You still need something to build your machine from scratch, but I guess a 4or8 gb USB would do that job

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:58

    a different angle on the same argument, is browser support. how long to do continue thinking about ie6 users, when they're the edge case and represent about 1% of your reader base? i say move on and support html5.

    force change for the better of all.

  • me10/06/2010 at 11:58

    You still need something to build your machine from scratch, but I guess a 4or8 gb USB would do that job

    agreed, and in that case, the lack of dvd drive should cover the cost of the usb key.

  • paul10/06/2010 at 11:59

    a different angle on the same argument, is browser support. how long to do continue thinking about ie6 users, when they're the edge case and represent about 1% of your reader base? i say move on and support html5.

    Might depend on your market. Not everyone is tech savvy enough to update browsers.

  • me10/06/2010 at 12:01

    Might depend on your market. Not everyone is tech savvy enough to update browsers.

    but not everyone is tech savvy enough to move from floppy disks to usb keys.

    if the internet stopped working, you'd find a way to upgrade your browser. you just would.

  • Journeyer10/06/2010 at 12:02

    a different angle on the same argument, is browser support. how long to do continue thinking about ie6 users, when they're the edge case and represent about 1% of your reader base? i say move on and support html5.

    in this case, i would agree.

    force change for the better of all.

    this would only be true for me sometimes, but not all the time. let people choose what they want first before forcing it through.

  • Journeyer10/06/2010 at 12:02

    if the internet stopped working, you'd find a way to upgrade your browser. you just would.

    not much point updating my browser if there's no Internet. ;) but i do get your point. :D

  • me10/06/2010 at 12:03

    this would only be true for me sometimes, but not all the time. let people choose what they want first before forcing it through.

    in the case of the iphone, they can choose. they can pick an android device instead.

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:04

    a different angle on the same argument, is browser support. how long to do continue thinking about ie6 users, when they're the edge case and represent about 1% of your reader base? i say move on and support html5.

    A word of caution here - I am 'forced' to use IE6 or FF2.x where I am right now.

    I don't understand why websites that worked fine under these browsers suddenly don't - it's like a classic car not working on the roads...?

  • paul10/06/2010 at 12:05

    in the case of the iphone, they can choose. they can pick an android device instead.

    Yep and that's fine, it's the type of device that drives change.

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:07

    Interesting review of the iphone 4 launch from one of our local papers here http://blogs.t...n-nerd-christmas.html

    "This is a MacBook Pro running Windows Vista - and for the mainstream, that is pretty much a dream proposition."

    Is it? Sounds like hell to me!

  • paul10/06/2010 at 12:09

    Is it? Sounds like hell to me!

    :D me too

    "this is a Ferrari 430, but we replaced the engine with a little diesel"

  • Nick10/06/2010 at 12:15

    I handt realised apple had dropped the usb charger standard untill i read that.

    i thought they were one of the biggest pushers of it?

    Btw, the author is on twitter @tomgara

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:17

    I handt realised apple had dropped the usb charger standard untill i read that.

    i thought they were one of the biggest pushers of it?

    Btw, the author is on twitter @tomgara

    How do they intend to charge the phone up then?

  • Nick10/06/2010 at 12:21

    How do they intend to charge the phone up then?

    using the ipod conector thingy

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:24

    How do they intend to charge the phone up then?

    using the ipod conector thingy

    Sorry you've lost me... do you mean that the sync cable to a computer is the only way to charge the phone up? I thought that was the only way to do it...

  • Kathi10/06/2010 at 12:25

    Hard disks?

    if SSD was affordable, i'd kill off hard disks asap too.

    I can't understand why almost none of the new netbooks have SSDs :(

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:26

    Hard disks?

    if SSD was affordable, i'd kill off hard disks asap too.

    I can't understand why almost none of the new netbooks have SSDs :(

    Because the EEEEEEPC does and it's slooooow...

  • Nick10/06/2010 at 12:28

    Sorry you've lost me... do you mean that the sync cable to a computer is the only way to charge the phone up? I thought that was the only way to do it...

    Ah, no the socket on the side of the phone used to charge it.

    their was an agreement that all phones would use a standard charger (micro usb?) which apple was a part of, but they havent implemented it?

  • Kathi10/06/2010 at 12:32

    Because the EEEEEEPC does and it's slooooow...

    I don't mind that ... much. If my netbook had a hard disk it'd be dead by now. I have a habit of dropping the poor thing.

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:32

    Sorry you've lost me... do you mean that the sync cable to a computer is the only way to charge the phone up? I thought that was the only way to do it...

    Ah, no the socket on the side of the phone used to charge it.

    their was an agreement that all phones would use a standard charger (micro usb?) which apple was a part of, but they havent implemented it?

    Why would they, when if they use their own they can charge £££ for a replacement?

    An older charger doesn't work with the new iTouch BTW... had to buy a new one!

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:33

    Because the EEEEEEPC does and it's slooooow...

    I don't mind that ... much. If my netbook had a hard disk it'd be dead by now. I have a habit of dropping the poor thing.

    Fair enough. My other netbook is basically a small laptop and I must say I prefer it...

  • me10/06/2010 at 12:45

    I handt realised apple had dropped the usb charger standard untill i read that.

    usb ports haven't been included on apple portable devices since the classic ipod have they?

  • me10/06/2010 at 12:47

    I can't understand why almost none of the new netbooks have SSDs

    price, i'm assuming.

    a 250gb ssd costs £640 more than an equivalent 250gb hard drive.

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:48

    I can't understand why almost none of the new netbooks have SSDs

    price, i'm assuming.

    a 250gb ssd costs £640 more than an equivalent 250gb hard drive.

    Do you need that much space in a netbook though?

  • startledbunny10/06/2010 at 12:49

    Do you need that much space in a netbook though?

    a 60GB drive costs around £130. Still a lot

  • me10/06/2010 at 12:49

    Do you need that much space in a netbook though?

    was just using it as a price comparison. that's how much more you pay for the same sized device.

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 12:51

    Do you need that much space in a netbook though?

    was just using it as a price comparison. that's how much more you pay for the same sized device.

    Fair enough. I must check how much space I use on my Netbook later - I did copy my music over though...

  • me10/06/2010 at 12:59

    their was an agreement that all phones would use a standard charger (micro usb?) which apple was a part of, but they havent implemented it?

    ahh, i see. i likes the idea of that standard.

    i guess it would mean another hole in the base of the unit though.

  • RubberGoat10/06/2010 at 13:31

    This looks like a cool app for the iPad: http://infosthetics.com/archives/2010/06/world_cup_visualiser_follow_real-time_football_statistics_on_your_ipad.html

    Real Time football stats for the World Cup...

  • me10/06/2010 at 13:34

    This looks like a cool app for the iPad: http://infosth...ics_on_your_ipad.html

    Real Time football stats for the World Cup...

    woah!