Hey, hey, welcome to Monday, hope all is well where you are. Another week begins, and we are right in the middle of the summer break. So far, so good, there's still F1 news trickling in to tide us over, and there's plenty happening elsewhere in the world to keep us occupied until the action starts up again in a few weeks. Here are some of the things I've been perusing:

F1 stuff

  • Pat has written about the BBC/Sky deal with a pretty balanced view of all sides of the argument.
  • Over on F1Minute, there's a sixty second update regarding some news filtering out from Ferrari's Wrooom Summer event. Seems like Alonso is still favourite over there in Maranello.
  • RG has a great update to the new teams' championship, although I don't suppose we can call it that anymore really. Still, excellent work.
  • Finally, Mr C also highlighted some of the great work done by Tony, taking F1 statistics and making them readable. I love a good graph.

Other stuff

  • In Sidepodspace news, Jordan and Steven are still recruiting people for the Sidepodtrek expedition - a space exploration project to seek out free-to-air F1 coverage. I think I'm down as official panda keeper, but there's plenty of space for you on board. Pick a role and let us know!
  • I also managed to get round to updating my blog with information about my visit to the National Space Centre. It wasn't that great.
  • All Doctor Who fans will by now have seen the trailer for Series 6, Part 2, but I do love this screen capture breakdown. It takes a while to load and must have been a lot of work!
  • I'll finish with a happy birthday to the world wide web, as it has turned 20 years old! It's certainly changed my life. It's hard to imagine where we'd be without it.

That's all for now. Hope everyone had a good weekend and the week ahead also treats you well. I'll put in an early call now for anyone who feels like volunteering for a one-off daily - I've got this coming Saturday free, and next Tuesday as well. Let me know if you're interested, and I'll see you in the comments.

322 responses

  • Mr C07/08/2011 at 23:09

    hullo new week.

  • Kai07/08/2011 at 23:13

    I'll do the Daily this Saturday.

  • RG07/08/2011 at 23:15

    I'm still calling it New Teams because compared to everyone else, they are. But from next season I'm thinking of adding 'fairly' or 'moderately' at the start.

  • Kai07/08/2011 at 23:15

    I'm still calling it New Teams because compared to everyone else, they are. But from next season I'm thinking of adding 'fairly' or 'moderately' at the start.

    :)

    relatively new?

  • RG07/08/2011 at 23:16

    relatively new?

    That would make more sense.

  • Kai07/08/2011 at 23:17

    That would make more sense.

    I really don't like that term "backmarkers", fwiw. All the blood, sweat and tears that goes into each race only to be compared to an immovable object. :(

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:17

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:18

    That would make more sense.

    New-ish?

  • Kai07/08/2011 at 23:18

    New-ish?

    Not Newey, I don't think that will work.

  • RG07/08/2011 at 23:19

    New-ish?

    New-ish Team seems a bit of a mouthful

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:20

    Younger teams?

  • RG07/08/2011 at 23:23

    Younger teams?

    Possible.

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:23

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

    That was my thought too, right after 'is that a competitor to Big Yellow Storage?'

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:25

    Kai 08/08/2011 at 00:15:42

    I'm still calling it New Teams because compared to everyone else, they are. But from next season I'm thinking of adding 'fairly' or 'moderately' at the start.

    :)

    relatively new?

    RG 08/08/2011 at 00:16:16

    relatively new?

    That would make more sense.

    Would the Military expression "Greenies" or "Newbies" be any better? I mean really, those new teams have really only been out of boot camp and may or may not be in some sort of specialized combat school (think Junglue Warfare Training would be most like F1).....

    How can a viist to the National Space Centre be not that great. I mean, even if worst came to worst and you became a gP for the "vomit comet", centifuge ride, you got to to the exact same thing I had to, not have to put up 250 hours flying, 750 hours gliding, and tons of hours studying at cadet camp and not have to do the Gibbit Dunket crash land into water simulator, and you only got to do it once !

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:26

    What about The Twenties?

    Assuming they finish in the bottom 3 again this year?

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:26

    Kai 08/08/2011 at 00:17:29

    That would make more sense.

    I really don't like that term "backmarkers", fwiw. All the blood, sweat and tears that goes into each race only to be compared to an immovable object. :(

    Hmmm, er, hmmmm, how about "Mobile chicane" ?

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:28

    Steven Roy 08/08/2011 at 00:17:45

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

    Come one folks! even Tundraland has a National Space Centre......

  • RG07/08/2011 at 23:28

    Hmmm, er, hmmmm, how about "Mobile chicane" ?

    I am kind of looking for something slightly more positive...

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:31

    RG 08/08/2011 at 00:28:15

    Hmmm, er, hmmmm, how about "Mobile chicane" ?

    I am kind of looking for something slightly more positive...

    Hey, Kai was looking for something better than the immobile "backmarker"., at least my chicance moves around the circuit like an electric rabbit at the dog-races.....

    Kai 08/08/2011 at 00:17:29

    That would make more sense.

    I really don't like that term "backmarkers", fwiw. All the blood, sweat and tears that goes into each race only to be compared to an immovable object. :(

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:33

    I am constantly impressed by your innovative quoting techniques Jordan. Every one is different. How do you do it? :)

  • Mr C07/08/2011 at 23:36

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

    heeh!

  • Mr C07/08/2011 at 23:36

    I'll do the Daily this Saturday.

    *hugs*

  • Pat W07/08/2011 at 23:36

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

    That was my thought too, right after 'is that a competitor to Big Yellow Storage?'

    Ha :)

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:36

    I am constantly impressed by your innovative quoting techniques Jordan. Every one is different. How do you do it? :)

    It is a cunning method to signal something like the original brackets. Although so far I am not getting the message

  • Pat W07/08/2011 at 23:36

    Ta for the linky

  • Pat W07/08/2011 at 23:37

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

    We have a space agency too now.

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:40

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

    We can book it and have a space mission

    http://www.spacecentre.org.uk/Page.aspx/150/TEAM_BUILDING/

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:41

    We can book it and have a space mission

    Do they have Sky TV?

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:42

    Bassano 08/08/2011 at 00:33:28

    I am constantly impressed by your innovative quoting techniques Jordan. Every one is different. How do you do it? :)

    Experimentation. What all good Ship's Tactical Officers should do. Run all possible situations though the simulator and hope it works in real life....

    Now, I need to talk to the ship's engineer to see if we a sow a minefield and how large will it be if we need to take the ship from a dead stop to ludicrous speed......

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:42

    Do they have Sky TV?

    Best ask Christine

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:44

    Now, I need to talk to the ship's engineer to see if we a sow a minefield and how large will it be if we need to take the ship from a dead stop to ludicrous speed......

    You want to use a minefield to power the ship? That sounds like a primitive version of warp drive

  • Mr C07/08/2011 at 23:44

    I'll finish with a happy birthday to the world wide web, as it has turned 20 years old!

    happy birthday internets. here's the machine that started it all: http://www.flickr.com/photos/scobleizer/2251820987/in/photostream

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:45

    Christine visited the National Space Centre? Wait! We have a National Space Centre?

    We can book it and have a space mission

    www.spacecentre.o…50/TEAM_BUILDING/

    The first option 'Challenger Centre' is £800+ and 2hrs long

    The half day and full day experiences will be a tad more I suspect

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:46

    happy birthday internets. here's the machine that started it all: www.flickr.com/ph…87/in/photostream

    I like the note. Do not switch off the internet

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:46

    happy birthday internets. here's the machine that started it all: www.flickr.com/ph…87/in/photostream

    Hah, the Internet started on a Mac ancestor :D

    Never knew that

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:47

    The half day and full day experiences will be a tad more I suspect

    Space missions are expensive

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:47

    Space missions are expensive

    No wonder Gene Rodenberry decided to eliminate money in the future

  • Bassano07/08/2011 at 23:48

    Hah, the Internet started on a Mac ancestor :D

    Or rather, OS X's ancestor. To be more accurate

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:49

    Steven Roy 08/08/2011 at 00:44:06

    Now, I need to talk to the ship's engineer to see if we a sow a minefield and how large will it be if we need to take the ship from a dead stop to ludicrous speed......

    You want to use a minefield to power the ship? That sounds like a primitive version of warp drive

    No I want to work out the time need to arm say 50 mines in the cargo bay, open the cargo bay doors to that mines get sucked into space, make the jump to ludicrous speed any any enmey chasing use will have to clear the emergency minefile first....

    I am just altering the standard Imperial procedure of disposing the all the junk inthe holds before making the jump to hyperspace to suit a tactical "run like hell" situtation....

    I am too tried that currently, the shields may be able to hold off what - two spitballs and the third spitball willl blow the ship apart....

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:51

    No wonder Gene Rodenberry decided to eliminate money in the future

    And invent the transporter. It was invented because he didn't have the budget to land the Enterprise on each planet they visited which was his original plan

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:52

    No I want to work out the time need to arm say 50 mines in the cargo bay, open the cargo bay doors to that mines get sucked into space, make the jump to ludicrous speed any any enmey chasing use will have to clear the emergency minefile first....

    Why don't we just beam the mines to where we want them rather than chucking them out the door. We have a starship not a truck.

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:53

    Steven Roy 08/08/2011 at 00:51:12

    No wonder Gene Rodenberry decided to eliminate money in the future

    And invent the transporter. It was invented because he didn't have the budget to land the Enterprise on each planet they visited which was his original plan

    What he did not have "Black String" technology? God a decent model and fishing line would have worked prefectly - I mean the rocks where rubber!

  • Steven Roy07/08/2011 at 23:55

    What he did not have "Black String" technology? God a decent model and fishing line would have worked prefectly - I mean the rocks where rubber!

    'Black string' had not even been thought about then

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:58

    Steven Roy 08/08/2011 at 00:52:40

    No I want to work out the time need to arm say 50 mines in the cargo bay, open the cargo bay doors to that mines get sucked into space, make the jump to ludicrous speed any any enmey chasing use will have to clear the emergency minefile first....

    Why don't we just beam the mines to where we want them rather than chucking them out the door. We have a starship not a truck.

    Cause I have to assume you will be sucking the power source dry geting us enough juice to launch us into ludicrous speed here Steven. I mean you are distorting space-time into plaid! for crying out loud!

    My methoid just uses the vaccum of space to get the minefield done. And that's what the crew wearing the Amon unifroms are for....If they die, tsk, tsk........!

  • Jordan F107/08/2011 at 23:59

    Steven Roy 08/08/2011 at 00:55:16

    What he did not have "Black String" technology? God a decent model and fishing line would have worked prefectly - I mean the rocks where rubber!

    'Black string' had not even been thought about then

    Steven, You are so kind...... :p

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 00:02

    My methoid just uses the vaccum of space to get the minefield done. And that's what the crew wearing the Amon unifroms are for....If they die, tsk, tsk........!

    I think we may need more 'black string' to tie the crew to the walls before the door is opened

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 00:03

    Odd photos

    Gorilla and Coke

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/photos/the-week-in-photos-5-08-11-1312541190-slideshow/gorilla-photo.html#

    Odd place to take a bath

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/photos/the-week-in-photos-5-08-11-1312541190-slideshow/sculpture-giant-bather-presented-hamburg-20110803-112634-139.html

  • Jordan F108/08/2011 at 00:09

    My methoid just uses the vaccum of space to get the minefield done. And that's what the crew wearing the Amon unifroms are for....If they die, tsk, tsk........!

    I think we may need more 'black string' to tie the crew to the walls before the door is opened

    I think it there still the slight problem of cabin depressuration that you still need working on. The Spacesuits will wrk, but I think they will be too bulky to arm the mines before hand.

    No, i think that arming the mines and running to the other side of the airlock is hte best solution. Just how long do they have to make this situtation work?

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 00:11

    No, i think that arming the mines and running to the other side of the airlock is hte best solution. Just how long do they have to make this situtation work?

    I am sure we can create a force field to seal the outside from the inside. I need more time to understand the 'black string' engines before I know how long

  • Jordan F108/08/2011 at 00:15

    Steven Roy 08/08/2011 at 01:11:36

    No, i think that arming the mines and running to the other side of the airlock is hte best solution. Just how long do they have to make this situtation work?

    I am sure we can create a force field to seal the outside from the inside. I need more time to understand the 'black string' engines before I know how long

    Wow! you have exceeded my knowledge of "black string" technology already. I understood it as an anti-gravity device. But yeah, when you have that much power to hover in mid-air, I guess it makes sence that more power will propel the ship to move forward either verticvally or horizontially....

  • Jordan F108/08/2011 at 00:19

    Steven, maybe we should ask guille2306 how this Black String stuff works - he's the Science Officer....

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 00:20

    Steven, maybe we should ask guille2306 how this Black String stuff works - he's the Science Officer....

    Good idea

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 08:26

    Today is Roger Federers 30th birthday so I can stop freaking out that he is in his 20s still. Feels weird he's younger than Alonso :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 08:31

    Morning all

    :)

  • Alex Andronov08/08/2011 at 08:37

    Today is Roger Federers 30th birthday so I can stop freaking out that he is in his 20s still. Feels weird he's younger than Alonso :)

    that is weird

  • That'll be the Day08/08/2011 at 09:00

    How well do you know your Formula 1 history?

    - Which race, held on this day, featured an empty first grid slot as the polesitter was injured and in hospital?

    To learn about this and more events that helped shape Formula 1, get your copy of That'll be the Day: 365 F1 Stories (Part 2).

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 09:37

    sounds like fans will have a lot less chances to get inside F1 with Geoff gone from Virgin!

    http://startinggrid.blogspot.com/2011/08/frustrating-security.html

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 09:40

    sounds like fans will have a lot less chances to get inside F1 with Geoff gone from Virgin!

    startinggrid.blog…ing-security.html

    Wow - I joked last week that F1 is doing as much as humanly possible to cut off fans in every conceivable way.

    Now I'm beginning to believe it.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 09:42

    Wow - I joked last week that F1 is doing as much as humanly possible to cut off fans in every conceivable way.

    Not pointing that at Geoff in any way, but it's more a thought regarding F1 as a whole

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 09:43

    Now I'm beginning to believe it.

    it definitelly depends on the circuit, the guards at Spa had dogs, the guards in Singapore were non existant.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 09:44

    it definitelly depends on the circuit, the guards at Spa had dogs, the guards in Singapore were non existant.

    Interesting. I wonder if that has much to do with regards to crowd expectations by the various promoters?

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:08

    it definitelly depends on the circuit, the guards at Spa had dogs, the guards in Singapore were non existant.

    The guards at Spa wouldn't let me past to meet with you guys in the pits. We had to convince them we were together. Rather odd..

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:16

    Now I'm beginning to believe it.

    F1 hates fans. They just want money. They seem to believe the two are not related.

    What is interesting is how F1 thinks that people won't look for alternatives, yet there are many other enjoyable forms of Motorsport available.

    Take for example yesterday at the Classic Car event that we had Legends Cars racing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_car_racing) which were fantastic and really going for it.

    I just think that if things continue as they are, people will find something else to watch!

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:17

    What is interesting is how F1 thinks that people won't look for alternatives, yet there are many other enjoyable forms of Motorsport available.

    I actually think it's worse than that. I know a lot of fans that have lost patience with F1 over the years who have just turned their backs on motorsport altogether.

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 10:18

    I just think that if things continue as they are, people will find something else to watch!

    That said, sports in general has a money problem. That's why the NFL came from a lockout and the NBA is currently in one. People keep watching them anyway.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:18

    I just think that if things continue as they are, people will find something else to watch!

    I won't, everything else bores me.

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 10:19

    I actually think it's worse than that. I know a lot of fans that have lost patience with F1 over the years who have just turned their backs on motorsport altogether.

    But Bernie still gets new viewers from somewhere else. For every Brit who's given up on F1, 2 or 3 Indians take it up as a passion. The numbers are in Bernie's favor.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:19

    That said, sports in general has a money problem. That's why the NFL came from a lockout and the NBA is currently in one. People keep watching them anyway.

    Maybe they will. I'm just getting annoyed with F1 as a whole right now. Seems like after 2008 the sport has shifted - and there are many reasons for it.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:19

    That said, sports in general has a money problem. That's why the NFL came from a lockout and the NBA is currently in one. People keep watching them anyway.

    So many of these "pro-sports" have simply become too overvalued - not that many within would care. The Premiership is another example of a sport overvaluing itself

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 10:20

    So many of these "pro-sports" have simply become too overvalued - not that many within would care. The Premiership is another example of a sport overvaluing itself

    They'd only care if people stopped watching. Problem is, they still are.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:20

    I won't, everything else bores me.

    My wife would agree with you, but then even she enjoyed the races yesterday. The alternatives are

    1. Get your car fix some other way

    2. Stop watching.

    Neither are good for the sport.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:21

    But Bernie still gets new viewers from somewhere else. For every Brit who's given up on F1, 2 or 3 Indians take it up as a passion. The numbers are in Bernie's favor.

    He really is despicable isn't he.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:21

    Neither are good for the sport.

    where does 3) keep watching because I have no problems with F1 at the moment go :D

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 10:22

    My wife would agree with you, but then even she enjoyed the races yesterday.

    Unless they're shown on free-to-air, what does it matter? The only live motorsport that will be left on free-to-air is MotoGP on BBC2 and BTCC on ITV4. There's a reason they're not on the main channels.

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 10:22

    But Bernie still gets new viewers from somewhere else. For every Brit who's given up on F1, 2 or 3 Indians take it up as a passion. The numbers are in Bernie's favor.

    He really is despicable isn't he.

    Yes. Yes, he is.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:22

    where does 3) keep watching because I have no problems with F1 at the moment go :D

    That's because you are one of the lucky ones who can without extra cost. As long as Danish TV or RTL does, I can too (I hate the ad breaks though).

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:23

    That's because you are one of the lucky ones who can without extra cost. As long as Danish TV or RTL does, I can too (I hate the ad breaks though).

    But if the sport continues to annoy me I may take a break for a while!

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:23

    That's because you are one of the lucky ones who can without extra cost. As long as Danish TV or RTL does, I can too (I hate the ad breaks though).

    thats my main problem with the recent 'F1 is dead!' hysteria. Waaaaay too Britcentric.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:26

    thats my main problem with the recent 'F1 is dead!' hysteria. Waaaaay too Britcentric.

    The reason for the hysteria is that one of the main markets for F1 cannot afford to keep the coverage on free to air, even with a guarantee of millions of viewers. It's a symptom that the sport does not care about it's fans and just about money.

    It's all well and good for the haves of this world to say that, but there seem to be a lot of have nots and that is definitely a bad thing. If F1 loses viewers in the UK, then as far as I am concerned it has big problems as the UK is one of the pillars of support.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:38

    There's a reason they're not on the main channels.

    BTCC is a nothing motorsport, but MotoGP has the potential to capture the imagination - and those with short attention spans

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:39

    If F1 loses viewers in the UK, then as far as I am concerned it has big problems as the UK is one of the pillars of support.

    Many very easily forget how much of F1 is actually based in the UK. Motorsport is massive, massive industry in this country alone - moreso than most countries, so potentially losing millions of eyeballs is a big, big thing.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:42

    Many very easily forget how much of F1 is actually based in the UK. Motorsport is massive, massive industry in this country alone - moreso than most countries, so potentially losing millions of eyeballs is a big, big thing.

    Indeed. Hence the justification for the hysteria. This is a serious problem I think.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:43

    Many very easily forget how much of F1 is actually based in the UK. Motorsport is massive, massive industry in this country alone - moreso than most countries, so potentially losing millions of eyeballs is a big, big thing.

    I understand all of that but F1 is not going to be dead by the end of 2012 as so many people seem to think.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:45

    I understand all of that but F1 is not going to be dead by the end of 2012 as so many people seem to think.

    I don't I've seen anyone suggest that, but it will not have the numbers that it thinks it will get. The Premiership has proved that numbers on PPV don't work.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:46

    I don't I've seen anyone suggest that, but it will not have the numbers that it thinks it will get. The Premiership has proved that numbers on PPV don't work.

    its not PPV

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:47

    its not PPV

    Yes it is. It has been since 1992

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:48

    Yes it is. It has been since 1992

    F1 won't be.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:49

    F1 won't be.

    Everything on Sky is PPV - it's depends how much and how many times one is required to pay for it.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:49

    Everything on Sky is PPV - it's depends how much and how many times one is required to pay for it.

    thats not what ppv means.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:50

    thats not what ppv means.

    There are different variations of PPV. The first being to pay to receive a station, the next is a second-tier PPV to receive a specific programme within that package.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:50

    I understand all of that but F1 is not going to be dead by the end of 2012 as so many people seem to think.

    That's a very short timeframe and I don't think it will die out, but there is a risk of a long slow decline here.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:51

    There are different variations of PPV. The first being to pay to receive a station, the next is a second-tier PPV to receive a specific programme within that package.

    PPV means pay-per-view, not all pay tv falls into that.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:51

    That's a very short timeframe and I don't think it will die out, but there is a risk of a long slow decline here.

    Definitely.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:51

    F1 won't be.

    Bernie tried it before and it only failed because it was on ITV. I am certain he will try it again at some point.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:52

    PPV means pay-per-view, not all pay tv falls into that.

    Surely the fact you have to pay for it makes it pay per view?

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 10:52

    Everything on Sky is PPV - it's depends how much and how many times one is required to pay for it.

    eh??

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:52

    Surely the fact you have to pay for it makes it pay per view?

    I think Amy would know the definition to be honest?

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:52

    Surely the fact you have to pay for it makes it pay per view?

    no, its only pay per view if you're paying for one specific event. The only PPVs we show are boxing, wrestling and MMA. All the other sports are just part of your subscription package.

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 10:53

    ppv to me = pick up the phone and pay for a show. that isn't what f1 will be?

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 10:54

    no, its only pay per view if you're paying for one specific event. The only PPVs we show are boxing, wrestling and MMA. All the other sports are just part of your subscription package.

    I used to watch boxing all the time on Sky. Then it went PPV and we basically stopped. I don't think I've watched any boxing since!

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:54

    All the other sports are just part of your subscription package.

    Fair enough, but I consider it PPV when money leaves my account to watch a programme (not that I ever do)

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:55

    Fair enough, but I consider it PPV when money leaves my account to watch a programme (not that I ever do)

    even if you're only using your Sky to watch F1 you're not specifically paying for that programme when they take your money.

    I guess I'm in a weird place where I work for a pay tv company but theres no way I'd ever actually choose to have it.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 10:55

    Good golly. How on Earth did we get from Hungarian security barriers to Sky..?

    ;)

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 10:57

    Good golly. How on Earth did we get from Hungarian security barriers to Sky..?

    f1 is dyyyying. I'll come to the funeral if there is cake :D

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 11:00

    f1 is dyyyying. I'll come to the funeral if there is cake :D

    I don't think it's dying or that it will die out. I just think it will get smaller and less relevant.

    They'll still have cake though ;)

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 11:00

    even if you're only using your Sky to watch F1 you're not specifically paying for that programme when they take your money.

    In all fairness, I've never bought this "F1 is free-to-air" nonsense either, considering how I pay my TV license...

    f1 is dyyyying. I'll come to the funeral if there is cake :D

    I'll do up a nice sponge. What toppings do you like?

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 11:01

    I just think it will get smaller and less relevant.

    Less relevant?

    ;)

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 11:01

    I'll do up a nice sponge. What toppings do you like?

    ooh on a sponge just some jam and cream would be lovely thanks

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 11:02

    Less relevant?

    Are you picking at my words?

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 11:03

    Are you picking at my words?

    Wouldn't think of it.

    ooh on a sponge just some jam and cream would be lovely thanks

    Lovely jubbly

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 11:04

    Wouldn't think of it.

    What did you mean then? I guess what I am saying is that once it is out of people's minds, there'll be less effort spent on it.

    I think what's happening is that F1 is trying very hard to undo all the hard work of the last 30 years...

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 11:06

    What did you mean then? I guess what I am saying is that once it is out of people's minds, there'll be less effort spent on it.

    What I mean is I'm sure there are plenty of folk in the world that would consider a bunch of V8 single-seaters pounding around circuits not very relevant.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 11:07

    What I mean is I'm sure there are plenty of folk in the world that would consider a bunch of V8 single-seaters pounding around circuits not very relevant.

    And I would agree with you there.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 11:19

    Gahhh.... I've been trying to avoid the IndyCar result and what do I do? Go on Autosport.

    #SuperExtraBonusFacepalm

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 11:57

    Hungary FOM race edit up. It would've been a good song choice from FOM... had it not been the 3rd time they got a song from the same artist this season.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 11:59

    Hungary FOM race edit up. It would've been a good song choice from FOM... had it not been the 3rd time they got a song from the same artist this season.

    I wonder who did the deal for that one...

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 12:00

    Hungary FOM race edit up. It would've been a good song choice from FOM... had it not been the 3rd time they got a song from the same artist this season.

    I wonder who did the deal for that one...

    Me too. It's just weird - they weren't this... limited in previous years. I'm almost tempted to say lazy, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt... for now, anyway.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:02

    Me too. It's just weird - they weren't this... limited in previous years. I'm almost tempted to say lazy, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt... for now, anyway.

    I wouldn't say lazy at all. I actually think whoever they signed the licensing deal with for these tracks could well be a specific artist centric.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:03

    And now for something completely different...

    "British Pedal Car Grand Prix 1987"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD-xcMvzWAE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSZZq7AWUzA

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:06

    Gahhh.... I've been trying to avoid the IndyCar result and what do I do? Go on Autosport.

    Really?

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 12:17

    Fair enough, but I consider it PPV when money leaves my account to watch a programme (not that I ever do)

    bbc license fee then. clearly not ppv.

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 12:18

    Me too. It's just weird - they weren't this... limited in previous years. I'm almost tempted to say lazy, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt... for now, anyway.

    I wouldn't say lazy at all. I actually think whoever they signed the licensing deal with for these tracks could well be a specific artist centric.

    It could be, I guess. Just disappointing, considering they had a much wider choice of music in years past.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:19

    It could be, I guess. Just disappointing, considering they had a much wider choice of music in years past.

    Which artist BTW? I can't check the race edit here.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:20

    bbc license fee then. clearly not ppv.

    In all fairness, I've been making the point all along that there is no such thing as FTA

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 12:20

    It could be, I guess. Just disappointing, considering they had a much wider choice of music in years past.

    Which artist BTW? I can't check the race edit here.

    We Are the Ocean. They were also featured in the Spanish and European race edits.

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 12:20

    I wouldn't say lazy at all. I actually think whoever they signed the licensing deal with for these tracks could well be a specific artist centric.

    every edit starts with a helicopter shot over the brow of a hill. they're getting lazy.

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 12:21

    every edit starts with a helicopter shot over the brow of a hill. they're getting lazy.

    hahaha! good point. :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:22

    Really?

    I was looking for something else. I am an idiot.

    every edit starts with a helicopter shot over the brow of a hill. they're getting lazy.

    In edits, yes, but the artist may be dictated by an outside deal.

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 12:22

    In all fairness, I've been making the point all along that there is no such thing as FTA

    but then you can't claim everything is pay-per-view?

    unless you're going to invent a new name for the thing that means you pay per viewing of a single event.

    pay-once-time-per-each-event seems a bit wordy.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:23

    I was looking for something else. I am an idiot.

    I wouldn't say that, but when I want to avoid a result I stay off the internet. I managed to do it for 30 hours for the Hungarian GP ;=

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 12:23

    unless you're going to invent a new name for the thing that means you pay per viewing of a single event.

    on our network we call them a Main Event :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:24

    but then you can't claim everything is pay-per-view?

    My point originally (as I laid out in my post last week) was that I'd effectively be paying for F1 twice and I'm not prepared to do that

  • Marti08/08/2011 at 12:26

    Kai and Lukeh go spanish!

    http://www.caranddriverthef1.com/formula1/articulos/2011/08/06/mi-experiencia-en-goodwood-2011

    http://www.caranddriverthef1.com/formula1/articulos/2011/08/08/los-deportes-motor-no-son-simples-deportes-es-una-forma-vida

    Pictures by Lou, translation by me :D

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 12:30

    My point originally (as I laid out in my post last week) was that I'd effectively be paying for F1 twice and I'm not prepared to do that

    that's cool. i don't disagree. i just don't think you can call f1 on sky pay-per-view either :)

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 12:30

    Kai and Lukeh go spanish!

    yay!

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:31

    that's cool. i don't disagree. i just don't think you can call f1 on sky pay-per-view either :)

    Yeah, but if I don't complain, my hair will fall out

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 12:31

    Yeah, but if I don't complain, my hair will fall out

    is that what happened to Bassano? :D

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 12:31

    is that what happened to Bassano? :D

    :)

  • lou08/08/2011 at 12:32

    Hey all, i've just had a thought while out and about.. with Sky making f1 inaccessible to many for much of the season.. will days like the Mercedes World opportunities to watch the GP there stop or just become more popular. Baring in mind that all GPs shown around lunch time here.. so most of them European of course are shown for FREE there.?

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:33

    Hey all, i've just had a thought while out and about.. with Sky making f1 inaccessible to many for much of the season.. will days like the Mercedes World opportunities to watch the GP there stop or just become more popular. Baring in mind that all GPs shown around lunch time here.. so most of them European of course are shown for FREE there.?

    It might be a while before we anything about future team deals to be honest

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:33

    Hey all, i've just had a thought while out and about.. with Sky making f1 inaccessible to many for much of the season.. will days like the Mercedes World opportunities to watch the GP there stop or just become more popular. Baring in mind that all GPs shown around lunch time here.. so most of them European of course are shown for FREE there.?

    I have a feeling the bulk of the 10 live races will be the European ones.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:34

    I have a feeling the bulk of the 10 live races will be the European ones.

    On BBC, that is.

  • lou08/08/2011 at 12:34

    I have a feeling the bulk of the 10 live races will be the European ones.

    good point. we'll have to see i guess. Was just a though :)

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:35

    good point. we'll have to see i guess. Was just a though :)

    I think if BadgerGP or a team or someone like that ran an event to show a race that was not live on BBC that it would be quite popular...

  • lou08/08/2011 at 12:35

    good point. we'll have to see i guess. Was just a though :)

    thought even.

    If they still show races for free and it's not shown on the bbc i'll be heading to West Byfleet i think.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:35

    Today, I'm entertaining myself with the 1985 Detroit GP

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5MdaZ9f8h4&feature=related

    :)

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 12:36

    I think if BadgerGP or a team or someone like that ran an event to show a race that was not live on BBC that it would be quite popular...

    agreed, but the concept doesn't scale well. the bigger the room the farther you are from the tv, the more noise there is.

  • lou08/08/2011 at 12:37

    I think if BadgerGP or a team or someone like that ran an event to show a race that was not live on BBC that it would be quite popular...

    oh yes. although i was wondering, as they show them live is that a way of getting round the fee..

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:37

    agreed, but the concept doesn't scale well. the bigger the room the farther you are from the tv, the more noise there is.

    I agree. But at the same time, there will be people desperate enough to see it live who won't care.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 12:37

    I think if BadgerGP or a team or someone like that ran an event to show a race that was not live on BBC that it would be quite popular...

    I sometimes wonder how busy the pub here that was my saviour back in the tape delay days is now that everything is on TV live.

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 12:38

    I sometimes wonder how busy the pub here that was my saviour back in the tape delay days is now that everything is on TV live.

    Ooh. I'd be keen to know too. I'll bet it's none too busy.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 12:38

    Ooh. I'd be keen to know too. I'll bet it's none too busy.

    the key group probably still go because they were all mates but the stragglers like me have surely decreased.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:39

    Oooohhh... interesting

    @specutainment: Aston Martin to join Grand Am with Vantage in Conti Tyres series 2012

  • Alison08/08/2011 at 12:49

    Hiiiii :)

    I'm happy to report that nick and I are very much alive and kicking

  • RCC08/08/2011 at 12:50

    Hey all....

    Just reading through the daily links and found this gem on Christine's page (talking about previous astronauts)

    " I have never really thought about the other people that went to the moon – more than just the giant step guy"

    It makes me chuckle for some reason!

    But yeah could've told you for free the National Space Centre is embarrassing at best! The gift shop at Kennedy Space Centre is more interesting and informative.

  • RCC08/08/2011 at 12:59

    Pat's comments on the TV are very similar to mine.

    Key point he makes which i'm sure is applicable to many other fans:

    " I think one day I’m just going to have to make savings elsewhere and stump up for Sky. That may come at the expense of attending races, including Grands Prix"

    That's exactly the position me and my gf are in. Do we stump up the borderline robbery charge Silverstone/Bernie demand or pay for a 1 years Sky Sports subscription? I can't afford both next season and I wonder if Silverstone will notice any knock on effect from unsold tickets. The whole thing (cost of watching F1 live or on TV) is kinda killing the sport for me at the moment. I'm really struggling with the concept that a seat at the Le Mans/BTCC/F3/FIA GT etc is £30 for the weekend yet a seat at Silverstone is bordering on £300 (and that's the cheaper options!)....

    Need some love from F1 at the mo.....boo hoo :-)

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 12:59

    Interessssssting...

    "AirAsia shares suspended amid share swap speculation"

    http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/08/360447/mas-airasia-shares-suspended-amid-share-swap-speculation.html

  • RubberGoat08/08/2011 at 13:07

    "AirAsia shares suspended amid share swap speculation"

    What does that mean? They'll both own part of each other?

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 13:08

    What does that mean? They'll both own part of each other?

    looks like a takeover by tony.

  • Alex Andronov08/08/2011 at 13:08

    What does that mean? They'll both own part of each other?

    Normally it means one is taking over the other.

  • Alex Andronov08/08/2011 at 13:08

    looks like a takeover by tony.

    yeah that...

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 13:09

    What does that mean? They'll both own part of each other?

    looks like a takeover by tony.

    Aye - wonder if it's a competition thing.

  • Amy08/08/2011 at 13:09

    looks like a takeover by tony.

    maybe he just wants to fly to Sydney that badly :D

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 13:10

    i can only assume tony has his hands on a supply of limitless pills: http://mrschristine.com/2011/08/06/film-watch-155-limitless/

    it's the only explantation.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 13:31

    it's the only explantation.

    He probably sells them. At this stage, I think he can sell anything. Or buy anything...

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 13:32

    He probably sells them. At this stage, I think he can sell anything. Or buy anything...

    heh.

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 14:48

    So... is it just me, or is formula1.com down right now?

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 14:49

    So... is it just me, or is formula1.com down right now?

    It's you

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 14:50

    So... is it just me, or is formula1.com down right now?

    It's you

    Could swear it wasn't accessible earlier. Oh well, ta! :D

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 14:57

    Could swear it wasn't accessible earlier. Oh well, ta! :D

    One more thing on the race edit music:

    German GP: Wait for Me - Rise Against

    Hungarian GP: Waiting - We Are the Ocean

    Two back-to-back songs on waiting! I wonder what they're waiting for...

  • RCC08/08/2011 at 14:58

    Two back-to-back songs on waiting! I wonder what they're waiting for...

    Sounds like Adele and all her songs seem to revolve about some bloke she used to date until he left

    Why they keep leaving you then love?!

    :-)

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 14:59

    Why they keep leaving you then love?!

    Perhaps they all refer to the same bloke? :D

  • RCC08/08/2011 at 15:00

    Perhaps they all refer to the same bloke?

    Either way it's boring. ;-)

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 15:00

    Perhaps they all refer to the same bloke?

    Either way it's boring. ;-)

    At least she sings well. :)

  • RCC08/08/2011 at 15:02

    At least she sings well.

    Yeah she has a great voice, still think they're much better out there though ;-)

  • Alex Andronov08/08/2011 at 15:07

    Two back-to-back songs on waiting! I wonder what they're waiting for...

    Are they waiting for what he's talking about?

  • Christine08/08/2011 at 15:13

    Did I plug this already? I forget. Excellent new discussion on the Sidepodbook group, about books that actually cover driving the cars: http://www.shelfari.com/groups/86343/discussions/383620/Books-about-driving-racecars

  • Journeyer08/08/2011 at 15:14

    Two back-to-back songs on waiting! I wonder what they're waiting for...

    Are they waiting for what he's talking about?

    I think they're waiting for Vettel to DNF. :D

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 15:14

    Are they waiting for what he's talking about?

    I can see it being a bit of a let down to be honest

  • Alex Andronov08/08/2011 at 15:20

    Are they waiting for what he's talking about?

    I think what he's talking about is Bad Wolf

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 15:20

    Are they waiting for what he's talking about?

    :)

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 15:44

    Am I the only one that missed it was Liuzzi's 30th birthday last Friday?

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 15:45

    Am I the only one that missed it was Liuzzi's 30th birthday last Friday?

    cake!

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 15:46

    cake!

    Cake and go-karting!!

  • Bridget08/08/2011 at 16:40

    Cake and go-karting!!

    Sounds like a fun thing to do for a 30th birthday. The only way it could possibly be improved would be with a jumping castle and a squishy-ball pit :)

    Hang on, he's thirty and still dresses like a Backstreet Boy?...I'll reserve comment.

  • Christine08/08/2011 at 16:41

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/tweets-of-the-week-who-runs-the-world

  • Sidepodcast Classics08/08/2011 at 17:00

    Enjoy a little something from the Sidepodcast back catalogue.

    - Daily: 19th August 2010

    Originally published 19 August 2010.

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 17:10

    not sure these belong in the comments, but over the summer break christine is hand-picking stories from the f1minute archive and publishing them to twitter and facebook. you can follow along here:

    https://twitter.com/f1minute

    https://facebook.com/f1minute

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 17:20

    Good evening

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 17:33

    Seems the Turkish GP is trying to stay on the calendar for next after all. We shall see

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93692

  • Christine08/08/2011 at 17:34

    Ping: http://sidepodcast.com/post/chequered-conflict-by-maurice-hamilton-kindle-review

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 17:35

    Seems the Turkish GP is trying to stay on the calendar for next after all. We shall see

    Who would get dropped though if it was included? 20 calendar maximum, someone would have to give

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 17:36

    Who would get dropped though if it was included? 20 calendar maximum, someone would have to give

    We could only pray it'd be Valencia but I can't see Turkey staying in if there's more money to be lost

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 17:37

    Seems the Turkish GP is trying to stay on the calendar for next after all. We shall see

    Who would get dropped though if it was included? 20 calendar maximum, someone would have to give

    Bahrain?

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 17:37

    We could only pray it'd be Valencia but I can't see Turkey staying in if there's more money to be lost

    Same here, shame really as it's probably Tilke's best effort. It's just in a completely useless location.

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 17:42

    Bahrain?

    I really get the feeling we haven't seen the end of that place

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 17:44

    Bahrain?

    I really get the feeling we haven't seen the end of that place

    I think Turkey are being kept sweet in case Bahrain doesn't improve, but you're right, they'll be back one day

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 17:44

    Who would get dropped though if it was included? 20 calendar maximum, someone would have to give

    21 race calendar.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 17:45

    I think Turkey are being kept sweet in case Bahrain doesn't improve, but you're right, they'll be back one day

    I also wonder if Korea will last more than a couple of years

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 17:49

    I also wonder if Korea will last more than a couple of years

    Last year was a bit 'just in time'. This year should be telling, hopefully it'll be dry :D

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 17:56

    21 race calendar.

    So does that make it 10 or 11 for us mortals? :)

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 17:58

    So does that make it 10 or 11 for us mortals? :)

    ha!

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 18:48

    Dan Wheldon has started testing the 2012 IndyCar

    http://indycar.com/news/show/55-izod-indycar-series/44480-on-track-for-new-era-in-2012/

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 18:57

    Dan Wheldon has started testing the 2012 IndyCar

    What do you think of the design, Pat?

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 18:58

    What do you think of the design, Pat?

    I don't think it is as revolutionary as they think it is. And a lot of the edges are a bit 'jaggedy' for my tastes. I like the flowing lines around the engine cover though.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:00

    I don't think it is as revolutionary as they think it is. And a lot of the edges are a bit 'jaggedy' for my tastes. I like the flowing lines around the engine cover though.

    Someone on Twitter just pointed out, at least the fin is gone

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:05

    What do you think of the design, Pat?

    I don't think it is as revolutionary as they think it is. And a lot of the edges are a bit 'jaggedy' for my tastes. I like the flowing lines around the engine cover though.

    I'm hopeful that a lot of it can be changed if/when aero kits are opened up.

    The engine is a good choice.

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:06

    I don't think it is as revolutionary as they think it is. And a lot of the edges are a bit 'jaggedy' for my tastes. I like the flowing lines around the engine cover though.

    I suppose I have to see it on the track. It's not grabbing me from this shot. The theory is interesting, though, for it to come complete except for steering wheel seat and wheels. How is that different than now?

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:07

    I like having different body coverings for ovals vs. road course. That only makes sense.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:07

    I suppose I have to see it on the track. It's not grabbing me from this shot. The theory is interesting, though, for it to come complete except for steering wheel seat and wheels. How is that different than now?

    It isn't except I think they provide a steering wheel (are teams expected to make their own now?). The difference is with engine choice and aero kits.

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:08

    I want to hear the 3.5 liter V-8. That's an important component. :)

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:08

    It isn't except I think they provide a steering wheel (are teams expected to make their own now?). The difference is with engine choice and aero kits.

    Got it.

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:12

    Evening all.

    Why does the new Indycar have an asymmetric front wing that looks like it is only designed to turn right?

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:13

    I want to hear the 3.5 liter V-8. That's an important component. :)

    It'll be a 2.2L V6, they have the 3.5 V8 now

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:15

    Why does the new Indycar have an asymmetric front wing that looks like it is only designed to turn right?

    It looks symmetrical to me but only after looking closely, the upper surface is at an angle which looks odd from the angle of the photo.

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:16

    It looks symmetrical to me but only after looking closely, the upper surface is at an angle which looks odd from the angle of the photo.

    Look at the right end plate. There is no top half to it

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 19:16

    Why does the new Indycar have an asymmetric front wing that looks like it is only designed to turn right?

    It's fugly. Sorry. Looks too much like a new F1 car.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:18

    Look at the right end plate. There is no top half to it

    If you look at the left, I think the wing surface is at an angle which meets the endplate at the top, the right side does the same. The right does seem to be missing the raised bit nearer the tyre though.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:19

    It's fugly. Sorry. Looks too much like a new F1 car.

    I think there are faint echoes of a Hispania or GP2 in there..

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:22

    It'll be a 2.2L V6, they have the 3.5 V8 now

    oh. Well I still want to hear it. hehe

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:25

    If you look at the left, I think the wing surface is at an angle which meets the endplate at the top, the right side does the same. The right does seem to be missing the raised bit nearer the tyre though.

    Is this anything to do with the different bits for ovals vs road courses? How much is actually going to be different?

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:25

    If you look at the left, I think the wing surface is at an angle which meets the endplate at the top, the right side does the same. The right does seem to be missing the raised bit nearer the tyre though.

    Look at the shape of the left end plate and the wing plane has to be a bit below the notch in the end plate to function. There is no point in an endplate that doesn't cover the end of the wing plane. Half the right end plate is missing.

    We need better photos though

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:26

    Is this anything to do with the different bits for ovals vs road courses? How much is actually going to be different?

    You think the wing is 50/50? Could be. The right could be the oval wing and the left the road course wing

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:29

    You think the wing is 50/50? Could be. The right could be the oval wing and the left the road course wing

    I can't tell from the pic.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:29

    oh. Well I still want to hear it. hehe

    So do I, CART had 2.25L V6 turbos and sounded fantastic.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:29

    Is this anything to do with the different bits for ovals vs road courses? How much is actually going to be different?

    There will be a completely different front and rear wing package.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:31

    There will be a completely different front and rear wing package.

    Maybe the rear isn't that different. :)

    This is how they were unveiled at Indy.

    http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/05/11/1226053/832765-2012-indycar-road-prototype.jpg

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 19:32

    This is how they were unveiled at Indy.

    Yeah, not doing it for me yet...

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:32

    This is how they were unveiled at Indy.

    ok, that's a lot clearer to see the difference side by side.

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:33

    Yeah, not doing it for me yet...

    me neither, but I'm trying to be positive. *weak smile*

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:34

    Yeah, not doing it for me yet...

    I'm not sold either but I'm pinning my hopes on the aero kits being not too restrictive and someone coming up with something less ugly

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:36

    This is how they were unveiled at Indy.

    The oval car front end looks weak and irrelevant.

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 19:37

    I'm not sold either but I'm pinning my hopes on the aero kits being not too restrictive and someone coming up with something less ugly

    Sounds good. I think they may have done the right thing, and I am sure they will be ok come next year. I mean, I got used to the 2009+ F1 cars, so anything is possible...

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:38

    Sounds good. I think they may have done the right thing, and I am sure they will be ok come next year.

    I'm still disappointed they didn't go for proper chassis competition.

    I mean, I got used to the 2009+ F1 cars, so anything is possible...

    This is true. :)

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:38

    Sounds good. I think they may have done the right thing, and I am sure they will be ok come next year. I mean, I got used to the 2009+ F1 cars, so anything is possible...

    Yeah, I think seeing them moving and on track is what will do it for me.

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 19:39

    I'm still disappointed they didn't go for proper chassis competition.

    Me too, but it may have saved the sport because of cost cutting...

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 19:40

    The oval car front end looks weak and irrelevant.

    They remind me of the little toy cars for kids.

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:41

    They remind me of the little toy cars for kids.

    The oval car reminds me of a dragster because everything happens behind the driver

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:45

    The oval car reminds me of a dragster because everything happens behind the driver

    So it would be fast on Indy's straights but not necessarily so on other ovals..?

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:46

    So it would be fast on Indy's straights but not necessarily so on other ovals..?

    No idea but the front of the car looks like it doesn't do anything.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:48

    No idea but the front of the car looks like it doesn't do anything.

    I think it is either to break speed records at Indy whilst keeping other ovals sane (Texas!), or just a mockup and nothing like how it'll turn out. The front wing on the road course car at IMS looks different to Mid Ohio.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:49

    Mind you, I did a Google image search to find that IMS pic and after closing the big pic of the new car and seeing a page full of the current car, it makes that car look a decade old.. which of course it is.

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 19:49

    The front wing on the road course car at IMS looks different to Mid Ohio.

    Very clearly different.

    I can imagine at the shorter ovals they will either put bigger wing flaps on or put a lot more angle on them

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 19:50

    I can imagine at the shorter ovals they will either put bigger wing flaps on or put a lot more angle on them

    They use the road course wings at Milwaukee

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 20:18

    Not wishing to discuss the situation but just saying that there's a lot of stuff kicking off local to me. Am at home indoors and safe, lots of sirens outside

    Will check in later

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 20:20

    Will check in later

    Good to hear you're safe at your home Bassano.

  • lou08/08/2011 at 20:21

    Will check in later

    good to hear you're safe, please do make sure you do :)

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 20:21

    Not wishing to discuss the situation but just saying that there's a lot of stuff kicking off local to me. Am at home indoors and safe, lots of sirens outside

    Keep your head down. Be safe

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 20:22

    Not wishing to discuss the situation but just saying that there's a lot of stuff kicking off local to me. Am at home indoors and safe, lots of sirens outside

    Will check in later

    Thanks for letting us know, I'm glad you aren't on the main street.

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 20:23

    Thanks for letting us know, I'm glad you aren't on the main street.

    Keep us posted. Thanks for letting us know.

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 20:25

    Will check in later

    Good to hear you're safe at your home Bassano.

    Agreed. Thanks for letting us know mate!

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 20:25

    Thanks for letting us know, I'm glad you aren't on the main street.

    Am close enough but can't hear any aggro yet

    Reading unconfirmed reports on the local forum that it's nearby

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 20:28

    Reading unconfirmed reports on the local forum that it's nearby

    I saw a story about fires in Croydon, riots in a few other parts of London and Birmingham

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 20:36

    Anyone heard from leigh?

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 20:37

    Anyone heard from leigh?

    He was here earlier.

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 20:37

    Anyone heard from leigh?

    Last comment was 16:46

  • lou08/08/2011 at 20:40

    Anyone heard from leigh?

    Last comment was 16:46

    he tweeted 50 odd minutes ago.

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 20:46

    he tweeted 50 odd minutes ago.

    I don't have his mobile, anyone?

  • lou08/08/2011 at 20:48

    I don't have his mobile, anyone?

    no :(

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 20:49

    I don't have his mobile, anyone?

    I do but will try a tweet first

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 20:56

    I do but will try a tweet first

    No response, have texted

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 20:56

    Giggles just tweeted to say they are ok

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 20:59

    At least 4 business here with smashed windows according to twitter. Convenience store looted

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 21:03

    Nice to see CNN has it;s finger on the pulse

    http://twitter.com/#!/faisalislam/status/100672047763562497

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 21:06

    Nice to see CNN has it;s finger on the pulse

    twitter.com/#!/fa…00672047763562497

    Lord knows what Fox News are gonna make of it

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 21:11

    Just sent a tweet to Jackie checking she's OK too.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 21:16

    Leigh ok

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 21:16

    Thanks Pat

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 21:17

    Leigh ok

    Good stuff

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 21:19

    Leigh ok

    Just talked to him on the phone

  • lou08/08/2011 at 21:23

    Leigh ok

    Just talked to him on the phone

    oh thanks pat.

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 21:25

    Just talked to him on the phone

    Thanks man!

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 21:27

    Evening folks

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 21:27

    Evening folks

    Hey leigh. Good to see you're safe and alright tonight.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 21:30

    Hey leigh. Good to see you're safe and alright tonight.

    Cheers Lukeh,

    I had a wander down my road a few minutes ago - not pretty. Some destruction of shops, still a little looting going down.

    Just a horrible mess.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 21:30

    Evening folks

    Hi Leigh, cheers for ringing back

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 21:30

    Evening folks

    Hi Leigh. Thanks for checking in mate.

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 21:31

    Evening folks

    Glad you're okay.

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 21:34

    Police presence on main road here now as Post Office can't be secured after doors broken. Reports of a 'feral youth' locked in a looted convenience store by public. Seems to be calming down now here

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 21:46

    Oh dear,

    @andy_hone_snapa has just dug himself a rather large hole on Twitter

  • Bassano08/08/2011 at 21:46

    Oh dear,

    @andy_hone_snapa has just dug himself a rather large hole on Twitter

    Again. Does he never learn?

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 21:47

    Again. Does he never learn?

    I genuinely can't / won't post what he tweeted here. Definitely an eyebrow raiser.

  • RG08/08/2011 at 21:47

    @andy_hone_snapa has just dug himself a rather large hole on Twitter

    Sigh.

    Glad you folks down there are all safe by the way.

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 21:48

    @andy_hone_snapa has just dug himself a rather large hole on Twitter

    What a moron. This is nothing to do with immigrants

  • lou08/08/2011 at 21:51

    Oh dear,

    @andy_hone_snapa has just dug himself a rather large hole on Twitter

    i saw that and have been trying to ignore it. *hides under bed* least his girlfriend told him off.

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 21:53

    @andy_hone_snapa has just dug himself a rather large hole on Twitter

    Awful.

  • Alex Andronov08/08/2011 at 21:53

    i saw that and have been trying to ignore it. *hides under bed* least his girlfriend told him off.

    I don't follow him but it was retweeted by somebody I do follow... Amanda... hmmm...

  • lou08/08/2011 at 21:56

    I don't follow him but it was retweeted by somebody I do follow... Amanda... hmmm...

    i think i liked it better when i didn't know what some people thought on twitter and i could just see their work :(

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 22:02

    I don't follow him but it was retweeted by somebody I do follow... Amanda... hmmm...

    not getting into this conversation, but have unfollowed amanda.

    can't unfollow andy, i already knew the kind of person he is.

  • Leigh O'Gorman08/08/2011 at 22:06

    not getting into this conversation, but have unfollowed amanda.

    can't unfollow andy, i already knew the kind of person he is.

    No idea who amanda is, but Andy annoyed with that. But yes, I'm not getting into the politics of it - I'm not even going to engage him on it, such was the stupidity of his statement.

  • Alex Andronov08/08/2011 at 22:07

    I don't follow him but it was retweeted by somebody I do follow... Amanda... hmmm...

    not getting into this conversation, but have unfollowed amanda.

    can't unfollow andy, i already knew the kind of person he is.

    Indeed. Didn't really want to comment on the actual subject.

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 22:11

    not getting into this conversation, but have unfollowed amanda.

    We have been pretty good on here tonight ... Twitter has gone mad though.

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 22:12

    We have been pretty good on here tonight ... Twitter has gone mad though.

    i'm not judging you.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 22:13

    We have been pretty good on here tonight ... Twitter has gone mad though.

    I've been careful to avoid any political aspect and just use SPC as a tool to check everyone's ok in case they can't access twitter etc

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 22:14

    i'm not judging you.

    I know. I just wanted to say it. It's nights like tonight I'm quite proud to be part of this community, because on here and on Twitter the discussions have been very good.

  • RG08/08/2011 at 22:28

    In somewhat happier news, this guy has just managed to run the US of A coast to coast in 100 days for charity, which is just really, really impressive: http://twitter.com/#!/rungeordierun/status/100694459905347584

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 22:28

    In somewhat happier news, this guy has just managed to run the US of A coast to coast in 100 days for charity, which is just really, really impressive: twitter.com/#!/ru…00694459905347584

    That's a marathon a day! Awesome!

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 22:29

    In somewhat happier news, this guy has just managed to run the US of A coast to coast in 100 days for charity, which is just really, really impressive: twitter.com/#!/ru…00694459905347584

    He must be cream crackered

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 22:29

    He must be cream crackered

    The Oatmeal guy just did a 50 mile extreme mountain marathon. Amazing!

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 22:30

    In somewhat happier news, this guy has just managed to run the US of A coast to coast in 100 days for charity, which is just really, really impressive: twitter.com/#!/ru…00694459905347584

    Wow!!

    That is seriously awesome.

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 22:31

    That is seriously awesome.

    I cannot imagine how tough he must be to do that. The pain and strains must be incredible!

  • RG08/08/2011 at 22:31

    I cannot imagine how tough he must be to do that. The pain and strains must be incredible!

    I don't think he'll be walking for a few days.

  • Mr C08/08/2011 at 22:32

    In somewhat happier news, this guy has just managed to run the US of A coast to coast in 100 days for charity, which is just really, really impressive: twitter.com/#!/ru…00694459905347584

    *high fives*

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 22:32

    I cannot imagine how tough he must be to do that. The pain and strains must be incredible!

    He and Eddie Izzard should be friends after all the running Eddie did, too.

    I can't imagine that.

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 22:34

    He and Eddie Izzard should be friends after all the running Eddie did, too.

    Oh, that was also mega impressive. Eddie Izzard is a man of many surprises though I suppose :)

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 22:34

    He and Eddie Izzard should be friends after all the running Eddie did, too.

    I just can't imagine it. Not only physical but incredible mental strength!

  • RG08/08/2011 at 22:35

    I can't imagine that.

    Especially from someone up here to do it too, considering the fact most of us ain't the fittest of folk.

  • lou08/08/2011 at 22:36

    He and Eddie Izzard should be friends after all the running Eddie did, too.

    I just can't imagine it. Not only physical but incredible mental strength!

    some people are just amazing. I'll never be able to fully understand how people can bring themselves to complete such challenges. I have nothing but respect and awe for them. What a great story R.G thanks for linking to it.

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 22:37

    You've reminded me now of Team Hoyt now with that little bit of inspiration, I *must* find that video...

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 22:38

    You've reminded me now of Team Hoyt now with that little bit of inspiration, I *must* find that video...

    here it is. Just.... awesome. So inspirational.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 22:39

    In somewhat happier news, this guy has just managed to run the US of A coast to coast in 100 days for charity, which is just really, really impressive: twitter.com/#!/ru…00694459905347584

    Wow

  • Rubbergoat08/08/2011 at 22:41

    here it is. Just.... awesome. So inspirational.

    That's ace - swimming with his bro in the dinghy!

  • Lukeh08/08/2011 at 22:42

    To give a bit of backstory to team hoyt, it's a father (Dick) and son (Rick) team who run triathlons and marathons and everything, Rick suffers from cerebral palsy and his father who is about 65-70ish as far as I rememember pushes/swims/rides with his son in all of these events for all those miles and have done for years and years. It's quite incredible.

  • RG08/08/2011 at 22:42

    here it is. Just.... awesome. So inspirational.

    Some people are just brilliant.

  • Pat W08/08/2011 at 23:06

    A better angle on that 2012 car

    http://media.racer.com/images/2011/08/08/1a0_186331.jpg

  • Steven Roy08/08/2011 at 23:10

    A better angle on that 2012 car

    Much clearer angle of the wing

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 23:11

    Eddie Izzard did the Abbey Road thing

    http://dirtydurty.com/post/8140232773/eddie-izzard

  • Kai08/08/2011 at 23:12

    Eddie Izzard did the Abbey Road thing

    ... in Santa Monica...

  • Jordan F109/08/2011 at 00:03

    Fortunately, I was just using the Frog and the fly as an earth-bound example. We will not need a Frog trainer

    Phew. Given how difficult it is to get any volunteers for this mission the chances of finding a qualified space frog trainer who would want to go would be slim.

    I was think of expanding Christine's role from Panda trainer to Animal Trainer to cover that issue. Of course we then have to ask how would we reward that frog if he does his job well - will Christine - "Kiss That Frog" ? :P

  • Steven Roy09/08/2011 at 00:08

    I was think of expanding Christine's role from Panda trainer to Animal Trainer to cover that issue. Of course we then have to ask how would we reward that frog if he does his job well - will Christine - "Kiss That Frog" ? :P

    I see you have perfected time travel. WHy have you moved to yesterday's post?

  • Jordan F109/08/2011 at 00:23

    What do you think of following the Airplane 2 idea and moving Lou from the 1st Officer's seat to the Skipper's seat or commanding officier's seat?

    This way Lou can have whatever rank from Captain up to Fleet Admiral....

  • Jordan F109/08/2011 at 00:41

    Any turth to the rumours that Capt. Lou might double the daily cupcake ration , Steven ? :P