What news will keep the Formula 1 conversation flowing today? There was plenty to discuss yesterday - Renault found a new partner, the Malaysian GP is heading into darkness, and the Pussycat Dolls approve of Lewis.

The never-ending cycle of rumours, gossip and the occasional fact continues unabated, so here's a few things to get the conversation started:

  • The pressure appears to be getting to Bernie, as the Telegraph reports, the man has now taken to swearing erratically and insulting random Irishmen. Is he becoming F1's very own Father Jack?
  • The debate about the safety of marshalling in 2009 rages on, as the sport tries to figure out a way to protect both drivers and trackside personnel from high voltage KERS devices. Whilst we can argue until our fingers are sore, we really want to hear from keiththemarshal and anyone else who's going to be out there on the racetrack dealing with this. Are marshal's concerned?
  • In the comments yesterday littlepurplegoth provided one of the best comments of all time. If you haven't seen it yet, go read it now. Don't worry, I'll wait.

Just a few choice cuts there to keep the brain cells ticking over. If anything comes to mind, just throw your thoughts into the comments and don't forget there's always some big F1 piccies demanding your attention.

152 responses

  • me29/01/2009 at 02:09

    luke, if you have any time to spare... a bernie meets jack hackett photoshop mashup might be calling your name ;)

  • Jeremy29/01/2009 at 02:38

    I'm at my conference at the Ivy in Sydney. Not F1 related and I can't talk. Just jealous of giggles really...

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 02:55

    If Bernie is Father Jack, we should be singing, "Hit the road, Jack, and don't you come back - no more, no more, no more, NO MORE!" :D

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 03:46

    Perhaps someone can help me out here.

    I want to buy the 2001 Formula 1 Season Review DVD, and I'm looking for it online. Problem is, the only one I can find is the 2001 Season Review VHS.

    You might be thinking they're the same. Nope, they're completely different. The VHS had tons of coverage, but bland commentary. The DVD had a little less footage, but it saw the debut of Ben Edwards, and his great work meant that he did commentary on the sole review for 2002 (which was, ironically, back on VHS).

    So - OTHER THAN eBay (because there's restrictions on that site from where I am due to PayPal), does anyone know where I can buy the DVD?

  • Jackie29/01/2009 at 03:59

    Have you seen this story?

    Honda seek Government loan http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jan/28/honda-f1-team-seeks-bail-out

    I'm wondering why would they seek a loan if they have a buyer, seems to suggest that a management buyout is more likely.

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 04:13

    I’m wondering why would they seek a loan if they have a buyer, seems to suggest that a management buyout is more likely.

    Yup, sounds about right.

    Not sure if the taxpayers would want to fund an F1 team, though.

    So - OTHER THAN eBay (because there’s restrictions on that site from where I am due to PayPal), does anyone know where I can buy the DVD?

    I've found the UK version, but I can't buy that (for obvious reasons), so would anyone know if the DVD is sold anywhere in the US? From what I've been seeing, the US release does not include the DVD.

  • Alex Andronov29/01/2009 at 05:56

    Not sure if the taxpayers would want to fund an F1 team, though.

    We're already funding Williams (RBS). What's another F1 Team between friends?

  • Craig29/01/2009 at 07:19

    I slept much better last night knowing the Pussycat Dolls info, what a weight off my mind that was. Not sure how I've managed to get through the last few months to be honest with you. Phew!

    By the way, pandas are so last year - I reckon Christine will like this little chap. Scroll down for the pic near the bottom.

  • Christine29/01/2009 at 09:03

    By the way, pandas are so last year - I reckon Christine will like this little chap. Scroll down for the pic near the bottom.

    I do want an otter but only to check out the phrase: "As wet as an otter's pocket."

  • Scott Woodwiss29/01/2009 at 09:06

    I want to buy the 2001 Formula 1 Season Review DVD, and I’m looking for it online. Problem is, the only one I can find is the 2001 Season Review VHS.

    You might be thinking they’re the same. Nope, they’re completely different. The VHS had tons of coverage, but bland commentary. The DVD had a little less footage, but it saw the debut of Ben Edwards, and his great work meant that he did commentary on the sole review for 2002 (which was, ironically, back on VHS).

    I think I know what you mean, and maybe where you can find it. I remember my first PS2 game was Formula One 2001 and with it came a bonus DVD of the 2000 season review. Now the following game, Formula One 2002, had a DVD for 2001. That could be what you're looking for.

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 09:11

    I’m wondering why would they seek a loan if they have a buyer, seems to suggest that a management buyout is more likely.

    Team Great Britain is go go go.

  • Aitch29/01/2009 at 09:22

    I'm not sure if this has been discussed already but I was listening to another podcast today and they were saying that Sato has lost his main sponsor due to the economic troubles and that Seb Bourdais is an almost done deal to get the drive but Nick Todt wasn't so sure but he said he should know more by the end of the week. I haven't been able to find any info on this anywhere. I hope it's true can you imagine Sato driving around with those front wings, now that's a scary thought.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 09:39

    Team Great Britain is go go go.

    In the A1GP already?

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 09:48

    In the A1GP already?

    A1GP? That still going?

    (joking).

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 09:51

    In other news: adverts in web feeds. Good or bad? Only I've noticed that quite a lot of sites are doing it recently, with little Google Ads at the bottom of each update.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 10:00

    A1GP? That still going?

    (joking).

    I think it's surviving on life support...

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 10:01

    In other news: adverts in web feeds. Good or bad? Only I’ve noticed that quite a lot of sites are doing it recently, with little Google Ads at the bottom of each update.

    If it pays the bills, keeps the site going and the adverts are not 'adult' in anyway, then yeah it's ok...

  • me29/01/2009 at 10:17

    I do want an otter but only to check out the phrase: “As wet as an otter’s pocket.”

    they don't actually have pockets.

  • Christine29/01/2009 at 10:17

    they don’t actually have pockets.

    Oh.

  • me29/01/2009 at 10:18

    In other news: adverts in web feeds. Good or bad? Only I’ve noticed that quite a lot of sites are doing it recently, with little Google Ads at the bottom of each update.

    i've seen it done well and i've seen it done badly. give it a try and we'll let you know :)

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 11:22

    i’ve seen it done well and i’ve seen it done badly. give it a try and we’ll let you know

    I would do. If it worked. My Adsense account and Feedburner/Google Account aren't the same and the thing won't let me intergrate. I give up already for the few pence it will probably bring me.

  • Ollie29/01/2009 at 11:32

    In other news: adverts in web feeds. Good or bad?

    I personally dislike ads in feeds. When I view a feed, I want the article (and notification in my reader, obviously). If I wanted bells, whistles and everything else, I'll visit the page. Just my two penneth though.

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:33

    I personally dislike ads in feeds. When I view a feed, I want the article (and notification in my reader, obviously). If I wanted bells, whistles and everything else, I’ll visit the page. Just my two penneth though.

    sort of agree, except if the whole story is included, why would you ever visit the site, and how would anyone make any money?

  • Ollie29/01/2009 at 11:34

    they don’t actually have pockets.

    Yeah yeah. So where do they keep their credit cards? And screwdrivers? :D

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:35

    Yeah yeah. So where do they keep their credit cards? And screwdrivers?

    hand 'em to the missus, clearly.

  • Alex Andronov29/01/2009 at 11:38

    sort of agree, except if the whole story is included, why would you ever visit the site, and how would anyone make any money?

    I would FAR rather them have ads then them have restricted feeds. I HATE restricted feeds to the point that I almost always ignore sites that have them. I only go to 1 f1 site that has restricted feeds and that's Clives. And even then I miss things because I won't subscribe to a restricted feed because I HATE them.

    In case it isn't clear. I think restricted feeds are very bad and I HATE them.

    Ads in feeds are okay (largely because they stop the need for restricted feeds - which I HATE).

    :)

  • Ollie29/01/2009 at 11:38

    how would anyone make any money?

    I believe a feed is for regulars. I sub sites that I would normally visit regularly. I wouldn't sub a site that I saw once and read only one worthy article. I'd probably Delicious it and check back a later date, maybe taking a quick glance at the homepage to see if anything else is good.

    How many of my regulars (who actually visit my site) click on the ads? I bet very, very, very few. I believe most of the people who click on my Google Ads come from Google/Yahoo etc searches.

  • Ollie29/01/2009 at 11:41

    hand ‘em to the missus, clearly.

    Of course! Although I'm not sure I would trust a Mrs Otter with a screwdriver. Or my credit cards! :)

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:43

    Ads in feeds are okay (largely because they stop the need for restricted feeds - which I HATE).

    you know what i hate? people sitting on the fence when it comes to the important issues.

  • Ollie29/01/2009 at 11:45

    how would anyone make any money?

    I should point out I know nothing about advertising - I removed Google ads from my homepage last year (the most visited page on my site) and revenue increased. Go figure!

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 11:46

    How many of my regulars (who actually visit my site) click on the ads? I bet very, very, very few. I believe most of the people who click on my Google Ads come from Google/Yahoo etc searches.

    I haven't because I use the Adblock add-on for Firefox. I reckon, in the past decade or so of using the Internet I haven't once ever clicked on an advert on any site ever. Which is why I'm going to ditch them from my blog, I get only a handful of hits so there's very little point or potential catchment for me anyway.

    Renault news: http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21145.html

    Horrible livery? Check. Horrible nose? Check. A bit slow? Check.

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:48

    Horrible livery? Check. Horrible nose? Check. A bit slow? Check.

    am there now. they're still running today. will upload pics any minute :)

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:50

    am there now. they’re still running today. will upload pics any minute

    unless i'm missing something though, there's only 2 trucks?

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 11:51

    am there now. they’re still running today. will upload pics any minute

    I initially read that as 'am there' as in, you're reading the web page I linked to. Guessing you mean you're in Cirencester? :-)

  • Christine29/01/2009 at 11:51

    am there now. they’re still running today. will upload pics any minute

    *cough* stalker.

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 11:51

    unless i’m missing something though, there’s only 2 trucks?

    THE WEB LIED!

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:52

    I initially read that as ‘am there’ as in, you’re reading the web page I linked to. Guessing you mean you’re in Cirencester?

    at kemble airfield. couldn't make it yesterday. looks like i missed out on 3 trucks :)

  • lou29/01/2009 at 11:54

    am there now. they’re still running today. will upload pics any minute

    your actually there? that's not fair. i'm at home ill... i wanna go watch f1 cars :P

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:56

    *cough* stalker.

    something like that. i was gonna do a post, but for the last 45 minutes, ubuntu has been unable to mount the camera card :(

    straightline testing is blomin' boring.

  • me29/01/2009 at 11:57

    your actually there? that’s not fair. i’m at home ill… i wanna go watch f1 cars

    is cold, and damp and miserable. the car's been out for about 4 runs, once up and down the runway and they have to wait when a plane takes off.

  • lou29/01/2009 at 11:59

    is cold, and damp and miserable. the car’s been out for about 4 runs, once up and down the runway and they have to wait when a plane takes off.

    still more exciting than laying on the sofa feeling ill ;)

  • Kris29/01/2009 at 12:00

    I'll trade your cold damp and miserable for my work

  • me29/01/2009 at 12:01

    still more exciting than laying on the sofa feeling ill

    can give you live commentary?

    another learjet is taxiing to my left, if it's alonso, he wants to watch that feeeeence.

    ahh, missed it by miles, expect a GMM headline any minute now though.

  • lou29/01/2009 at 12:02

    me: 29/01/2009 at 12:01

    still more exciting than laying on the sofa feeling ill

    can give you live commentary?

    another learjet is taxiing to my left, if it’s alonso, he wants to watch that feeeeence.

    ahh, missed it by miles, expect a GMM headline any minute now though.

    hehe :D

  • me29/01/2009 at 12:07

    12:05 car did a slow run. guy driving has an orange helmet. is that roman or piquet, i forget?

  • ruud29/01/2009 at 12:13

    alonso has some orange nowadays

  • me29/01/2009 at 12:15

    alonso has some orange nowadays

    it's quite a bright orange. i have to say the livery is a sight to behold on a foggy runway.

    the rear end is fugly, but it's like one of those sony paintpot adverts when the thing flys by. an explosion of colour.

  • Christine29/01/2009 at 12:16

    12:05 car did a slow run. guy driving has an orange helmet. is that roman or piquet, i forget?

    Piquet, I think.

  • lou29/01/2009 at 12:20

    12:05 car did a slow run. guy driving has an orange helmet. is that roman or piquet, i forget?

    they all have pretty orange helmet's this year dont they? I can only remember seeing Romain's helmet last year and that had quiet a bit of blue in it as well as orange. So i take it it's Piquet.

  • me29/01/2009 at 12:21

    they all have pretty orange helmet’s this year dont they? I can only remember seeing Romain’s helmet last year and that had quiet a bit of blue in it as well as orange. So i take it it’s Piquet.

    the runs have been quite slow...

  • lou29/01/2009 at 12:22

    the runs have been quite slow…

    ah that's definatly Piquet then :P

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 12:23

    ah that’s definatly Piquet then

    Slow even in a straight line - yeah must be Nelsinho...

  • me29/01/2009 at 12:28

    Slow even in a straight line - yeah must be Nelsinho…

    no idea what they're testing, but runs are sporadic and speed doesn't appear to be important. it can't be cooling, cause it's one run and then back to base.

    kinda like being at goodwood.

  • me29/01/2009 at 12:32

    not the most exciting f1 pic in the world:

    there are renault trucks in the distance though.

  • Dank29/01/2009 at 12:34

    Darren Heath watch your back!

  • me29/01/2009 at 12:36

    Darren Heath watch your back!

    does darren do video* too? shush then :)

    *will upload later.

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 12:47

    I’m wondering why would they seek a loan if they have a buyer, seems to suggest that a management buyout is more likely.

    There would need to be a business plan in place for them to qualify for a loan. Even the government is not dumb enough to give a loan to a company that is due to close in a few weeks.

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 12:51

    Not sure if the taxpayers would want to fund an F1 team, though.

    I don't want to fund the automotive industry generally to be honest. The only reason car companies are in trouble is bad management and over production. The automotive industry has the highest standards in the world for its suppliers outside aerospace but they do not come remotely close to meeting them themselves.

    I would far rather see small business propped up than the same ones generation after generation. I guess the diference is if 2000 people are made redundant on the same day from the same place it makes the news whereas id the same number are made redundant from 100 small businesses no-one notices.

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 12:53

    By the way, pandas are so last year - I reckon Christine will like this little chap. Scroll down for the pic near the bottom.

    I clicked on the link and saw Scotland in the urk and though you would be talking about one of these. http://www.highlandcattlesociety.com/

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 12:55

    I’m not sure if this has been discussed already but I was listening to another podcast today and they were saying that Sato has lost his main sponsor due to the economic troubles and that Seb Bourdais is an almost done deal to get the drive but Nick Todt wasn’t so sure but he said he should know more by the end of the week. I haven’t been able to find any info on this anywhere. I hope it’s true can you imagine Sato driving around with those front wings, now that’s a scary thought.

    There are leaks everywhere that Bourdais has the drive but no confirmation yet

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 12:56

    they don’t actually have pockets.

    How could someting be as wet as an otter's pocket if they didn't have any?

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 12:59

    Horrible livery? Check. Horrible nose? Check. A bit slow? Check.

    Alonso isn't happy. So what else is new?

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 13:04

    I’m not sure if this has been discussed already but I was listening to another podcast today and they were saying that Sato has lost his main sponsor due to the economic troubles and that Seb Bourdais is an almost done deal to get the drive but Nick Todt wasn’t so sure but he said he should know more by the end of the week. I haven’t been able to find any info on this anywhere. I hope it’s true can you imagine Sato driving around with those front wings, now that’s a scary thought.

    What podcast BTW?

  • me29/01/2009 at 13:05

    exclusive news, not reported elsewhere on the web.

    there are FIVE renault trucks here, that's five. i just counted 'em. you heard it here first people :)

    dam that joe saward and his pesky facts.

  • Scott Woodwiss29/01/2009 at 13:10

    me: 29/01/2009 at 13:05

    exclusive news, not reported elsewhere on the web.

    there are FIVE renault trucks here, that’s five. i just counted ‘em. you heard it here first people dam that joe saward and his pesky facts.

    Are you at wherever Renault's testing? Sounds like it

  • me29/01/2009 at 13:15

    Are you at wherever Renault’s testing? Sounds like it

    yeah. i was standing where williams usually test, but couldn't see much. just moved around the otherside of the runway and am stood right next to the trucks!

  • marshalbeej29/01/2009 at 13:51

    I can say there is quite a bit of concern in the marshaling fraternity about the safety of KERS.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 13:51

    there are FIVE renault trucks here, that’s five. i just counted ‘em. you heard it here first people

    dam that joe saward and his pesky facts.

    5 trucks for a test team? That sounds like a lot of equipment doesn't it?

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 13:55

    yeah. i was standing where williams usually test, but couldn’t see much. just moved around the otherside of the runway and am stood right next to the trucks!

    You just know there are a lot of confused plane spotters in the area today. They will all be phoning each other and be on the plane spotters' equivalent of sidepodcast saying that something is happening at Kemble and they better get down there. They are going to be so disappointed when all they see is a slow car that looks like it has had an accident in a paint factory.

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 13:56

    5 trucks for a test team? That sounds like a lot of equipment doesn’t it?

    Soundle like they have big problems.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 13:57

    You just know there are a lot of confused plane spotters in the area today. They will all be phoning each other and be on the plane spotters’ equivalent of sidepodcast saying that something is happening at Kemble and they better get down there. They are going to be so disappointed when all they see is a slow car that looks like it has had an accident in a paint factory.

    Planespotcast?

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 13:58

    I can say there is quite a bit of concern in the marshaling fraternity about the safety of KERS.

    Hi marshalbeej,

    I am not surprised the marshals are not happy especially after Charlie Whiting's insane statement yesterday. I think you should all get together on the Friday morning of each race weekend and say you won't work if KERS is used. No marshals no race.

  • Scott Woodwiss29/01/2009 at 14:28

    Steven - BAT runs are done and setup has been converted to bone dry.

  • Gavin Brown (RubberGoat)29/01/2009 at 14:31

    Renault unconcerned by poor first test

    Oh dear. In 2001, when the aerodynamic rules for the front wing were drastically changed, Renault used a very odd-looking front wing which didn't work very well. I hope this hasn't happened again...

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 14:33

    I think I know what you mean, and maybe where you can find it. I remember my first PS2 game was Formula One 2001 and with it came a bonus DVD of the 2000 season review. Now the following game, Formula One 2002, had a DVD for 2001. That could be what you’re looking for.

    That's the one, Scott.

    Does anyone have it in NTSC format? All I'm finding are PAL formatted ones, and they're useless here.

    Or does anyone know someone selling it in the US?

  • Craig29/01/2009 at 14:48

    I clicked on the link and saw Scotland in the urk and though you would be talking about one of these. http://www.highlandcattlesociety.com/

    You can't beat a Heilan' Coo!

    Well you can, if you have two of them I suppose...

  • 2008 Sidepodcastland Champions Jordan F129/01/2009 at 14:57

    Good news everyone!

    I am sure that it already has been mentioned but not only is the F1rejects.com site finally back up and running, but it appears that Jenson Button has finally won something.....

    F1 Rejects have pick him to be 2008's Reject Of The Year!

  • Flibster29/01/2009 at 15:00

    2008 Sidepodcastland Champions Jordan F1: 29/01/2009 at 14:57

    Good news everyone!

    I am sure that it already has been mentioned but not only is the F1rejects.com site finally back up and running, but it appears that Jenson Button has finally won something…..

    F1 Rejects have pick him to be 2008’s Reject Of The Year!

    Hurrah! Can't think of anyone more deserving. :D

  • me29/01/2009 at 15:01

    F1 Rejects have pick him to be 2008’s Reject Of The Year!

    over piquet??

  • me29/01/2009 at 15:02

    Hurrah! Can’t think of anyone more deserving.

    - piquet

    - sutil

    - coulthard

    - heikki

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 15:23

    - piquet - got a 2nd and a 4th

    - sutil - almost scored at monaco

    - coulthard - got a podium in canada

    - heikki - won a race!

    Button, on the other hand, was practically invisible. Heck, Rubens scored a podium, and he was nowhere!

    If it consoles you any, Piquet was runner-up. :D

  • me29/01/2009 at 15:50

    Button, on the other hand, was practically invisible. Heck, Rubens scored a podium, and he was nowhere!

    how many times last year do you remember saying "button's driving for his seat here?". we said that at every race for piquet.

    heikki was probably the worst driver of last year though. i coulda gone faster in that car.

    dc spent every race (bar one), taking out any competitor he set eyes on... including button. jenson may have been anonymous but dc was freakin' useless.

    sutil only does well on one track and only then if it's raining.

  • Scott Woodwiss29/01/2009 at 15:59

    how many times last year do you remember saying “button’s driving for his seat here?”. we said that at every race for piquet.

    Maybe we never said it for Jenson because at the time we knew Honda were disregarding 2008 and focusing on 2009, meaning we were expecting him to be fine when the new rule changes came in, because Honda had been working on their new car for the best part of a year.

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 15:59

    I guess the thing with Button is, can you name the race he did absolutely well?

    I can say Hockenheim was Piquet's, Budapest was Kovi's, DC's was Canada, Sutil's was Monaco.

    And Button? He was 6th in Spain... I think. I'm not even sure. It was that mediocrity in anonymity that got him the award.

  • Scott Woodwiss29/01/2009 at 15:59

    We just never expected the team to go bust and be in desperate need of a buyer.

  • me29/01/2009 at 16:08

    I guess the thing with Button is, can you name the race he did absolutely well?

    fair point.

    he set his car on fire in brazil.

  • lou29/01/2009 at 16:08

    F1 Rejects have pick him to be 2008’s Reject Of The Year!

    :(

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 16:11

    he set his car on fire in brazil.

    Honda saw their F1 run go up in smoke... literally.

  • lou29/01/2009 at 16:32

    I guess the thing with Button is, can you name the race he did absolutely well?

    the only reason Rubens had a race to remember over Jenson was because of strategy and luck. If Jenson had been in the same position as Rubens at the start of the British GP and been on the same strategy i'm sure he would have done better. The only reason people say he did not have a race where he did really well is because of the nature of the season, in that every team except 1 was on the podium at least once. In comparison to Kimi (sorry Lady Snowcat) I’d say Jenson was working much harder in the car, Kimi was in a race winning car, the defending world champion, and was totally outperformed by his team mate, where as Jenson pretty much matched Rubens throughout the season. I'd also argue that the only reason worth remembering Kovi's race in Hungary would be because he inherited his first win, not that it was achieved through excellent driving.

  • Scott Woodwiss29/01/2009 at 16:32

    If I may talk about Ralf for a second, I just found that his current employment with Mercedes-Benz in the DTM isn't the first time he's been with the 3-pointed star. He raced a factory CLK-GTR at the 1997 FIA GT round at Spa. He finished 5th. Bear in mind, he was with Jordan at this point in his career!

  • Jon Waldock29/01/2009 at 16:37

    http://mantovani.zip.net/

    I love the new Renault one he's done, its awesome!!

  • Jon Waldock29/01/2009 at 16:46

    If anyone wants a quick laugh....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7857469.stm

    You just can't make this stuff up!!

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 16:49

    the only reason Rubens had a race to remember over Jenson was because of strategy and luck.

    Saying goes that you make your own luck. Jenson spun off during the race, while Rubens kept it on the road. Had Jenson still been running when Ross made the call, he too would've been able to get a good result.

    I’d also argue that the only reason worth remembering Kovi’s race in Hungary would be because he inherited his first win, not that it was achieved through excellent driving.

    True, it wasn't purely on merit, but a win is a win is a win. Heikki wouldn't have won that race if he wasn't 2nd to Massa before the blow-up.

  • lou29/01/2009 at 17:00

    Saying goes that you make your own luck. Jenson spun off during the race, while Rubens kept it on the road. Had Jenson still been running when Ross made the call, he too would’ve been able to get a good result.

    Jenson span after he had pitted if i remember rightly. He wasnt on the same strategy as Rubens.

    True, it wasn’t purely on merit, but a win is a win is a win. Heikki wouldn’t have won that race if he wasn’t 2nd to Massa before the blow-up.

    Heikki did well to qualify 2nd i suppose. But he actually lost a place to Massa during the race, only regaining it when Massa was out.

  • Lukeh29/01/2009 at 17:02

    the only reason Rubens had a race to remember over Jenson was because of strategy and luck. If Jenson had been in the same position as Rubens at the start of the British GP and been on the same strategy i’m sure he would have done better.

    I understand what you mean and you make a good point, perhaps Jenson wouldve had the same success if things turned out different. But you really can't argue with Rubens' performance on that day considering the car and even the pitstop problem that came up. Luck was a huge part of the result no doubt but rubens outperformed a lot of expectations. You're 100% about Jenson matching Rubens throughout the season though, yet for some reason not getting much recognition for it when both drivers had a lot of problems with their car.

    Mind you, just like you'll never forget jenson coming out of the car in Hungary, I'll never forget rubesn runnign up to the pit crew after silverstone :P

  • lou29/01/2009 at 17:08

    But you really can’t argue with Rubens’ performance on that day considering the car and even the pitstop problem that came up. Luck was a huge part of the result no doubt but rubens outperformed a lot of expectations.

    I'm not arguing about Rubens' performance ;). He did really well at silverstone an amazing race from him and the Honda team. Was just saying that if Jenson had been in that situation i'm sure he would have been able to put in an equal amount of effort, and get a better result than he managed. I'm not trying to take anything away from Rubens, just standing up for Jenson ;)

  • Lukeh29/01/2009 at 17:15

    Reading the comments it makes me laugh how much DC is considered a one man destruction derby, it's great :D such images shouldn't enter my mind.

    To be honest last season and even before that I noticed his crashes once or twice but you've all got it brainwashed into my mind now. Especially after his RoC apperarance where he might as well turned up in a bulldozer. But eh, 2nd, cant argue. :P

  • Aitch29/01/2009 at 17:52

    I’m not sure if this has been discussed already but I was listening to another podcast today and they were saying that Sato has lost his main sponsor due to the economic troubles and that Seb Bourdais is an almost done deal to get the drive but Nick Todt wasn’t so sure but he said he should know more by the end of the week. I haven’t been able to find any info on this anywhere. I hope it’s true can you imagine Sato driving around with those front wings, now that’s a scary thought.

    What podcast BTW?

    Formula 1 Blog.com

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 17:57

    So by what we're hearing, Friday could be a HUGE day:

    1. STR might finally confirm Bourdais.

    2. Honda might finally be sold.

    But knowing F1, we're probably going to end up being disappointed and not hear anything about either of them. :D

  • Steven Roy29/01/2009 at 18:04

    BATracer site hung on me after I completed a couple of runs and now won't load. I wonder if they use Media Temple

  • me29/01/2009 at 18:35

    I can say there is quite a bit of concern in the marshaling fraternity about the safety of KERS.

    thank you marshalbeej, and not entirely unexpected.

    i guess the question is, does the marshalling fraternity have the power to get that message to the fia?

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 18:50

    i guess the question is, does the marshalling fraternity have the power to get that message to the fia?

    They do. The bigger question, though, is: Would the FIA listen? I wouldn't bet anything on it.

  • Bassano Clapper29/01/2009 at 18:52

    F1 ITV . com are also reporting the Honda Government aid story now, maybe they're Guardian readers :)

    http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=45030

  • Bassano Clapper29/01/2009 at 19:03

    http://drop.io/sidepodcast/asset/kemble-testing-jpg

    You know what I'm starting to get used to the new shape cards which I really didn't think would happen so quickly (with the exception of the BMW maybe - sorry R.G.)

    And I may be amongst the very few in not minding the new Renault livery at all

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 19:07

    And I may be amongst the very few in not minding the new Renault livery at all

    I don't mind it, either. It looks more put together than the ones of 2007-2008 that had blue bits in it. It was like Telefonica suddenly left and they didn't have enough time to plan a new livery! ;)

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 19:09

    Apparently, Renault's livery might be the least of their problems:

    http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21145.html

    That boxy nose may be ugly AND slow.

  • Jon Waldock29/01/2009 at 19:16

    i guess the question is, does the marshalling fraternity have the power to get that message to the fia?

    i think unless the worlds marshalls refuse it wouldn't make a great deal of difference.

  • me29/01/2009 at 19:18

    i think unless the worlds marshalls refuse it wouldn’t make a great deal of difference.

    pretty much what steven suggested earlier. it would be a shame if it had to go that far though.

  • Bassano Clapper29/01/2009 at 19:24

    http://mantovani.zip.net/

    I love the new Renault one he’s done, its awesome!!

    Babelfish's translation of Bruno's site quotes the BMW interpretation as "A well different version of that BMW"

    Good to see F1 reaching out to the kids on the street (know what I mean geez!) :D

  • Bassano Clapper29/01/2009 at 19:25

    Babelfish’s translation of Bruno’s site quotes the BMW interpretation as “A well different version of that BMW”

    Link might be helpful: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmantovani.zip.net%2F&lp=pt_en&btnTrUrl=Translate

  • Lukeh29/01/2009 at 19:38

    http://mantovani.zip.net/

    I love the new Renault one he’s done, its awesome!!

    Awwww at the rubens cartoon :(

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 19:48

    Awwww at the rubens cartoon :(

    Look at the bright side: Kimi's thought bubble in that same cartoon is brilliant!

  • Lukeh29/01/2009 at 19:49

    Look at the bright side: Kimi’s thought bubble in that same cartoon is brilliant!

    That whole site is brilliant graphics wise, such a good find. Love those car liveries!

  • Journeyer29/01/2009 at 20:26

    The teams should get Bruno to design their liveries: he's doing a lot better than the whole lot of 'em!

  • Bassano Clapper29/01/2009 at 20:27

    The teams should get Bruno to design their liveries: he’s doing a lot better than the whole lot of ‘em!

    Agreed, should send portfolio to Toyota ASAP :)

  • Alex Andronov29/01/2009 at 20:34

    So I'm live commenting tonight from the old vic theatre in London. We are watching complicit with David Suchet, Richard Dreyfuss and it's directed by Kevin Spacey. We're in the interval. I am in the dress circle.

  • Christine29/01/2009 at 20:40

    So I’m live commenting tonight from the old vic theatre in London. We are watching complicit with David Suchet, Richard Dreyfuss and it’s directed by Kevin Spacey. We’re in the interval. I am in the dress circle.

    Wow. This Giggles tour just gets better and better :)

    Is it any good? (the play not the commenting tour)

  • Alex Andronov29/01/2009 at 22:08

    Wow. This Giggles tour just gets better and better

    Is it any good? (the play not the commenting tour)

    It is an issues play. And the acting outshone the play itself in my opinion. Is it a good play, sadly not really. Is it a good performance? Dreyfuss is outstanding, Suchet almost as great (he is the subersvient character). The set design was also amazing, which considering it was in the round because of the excellent Norman Conquests. The play, in my mind voilated the essential rule of theatre. It told rather than showed. It was a radio play rather than a theatre play which was a bit of a waste. In this reviewers humble opinion.

  • me29/01/2009 at 22:28

    "If you think trikes are for kids and over-the-hill bikers, you may want to talk to the guys at Trike Japan who whipped up this F1 Ferrari-styled Suzuki Hayabusa three-wheeler for the Tokyo Auto Salon."

    pics: http://blog.wired.com/cars/2009/01/tricked-out-tri.html

    now that's a rear wing :)

  • R.G (Save Croft Circuit : Sort marital problems without ruining my life as well)29/01/2009 at 22:34

    Wait, I think I'm alive. How y'all doin? Spent my day lurkin whilst screaming at bloomin iTunes. Defo gonna give the torrents a try very soon

    - piquet - sutil - coulthard - heikki

    Wait, you forgot Fisichella. Technically, he was worse than Sutil. Fisi didn't do well at any track.

    I love the new Renault one he’s done, its awesome!!

    Sweet, very original ideas whilst using same paint scheme. I like it.

    Formula 1 Blog.com

    Ah, bad memories with that lot.

  • Dom29/01/2009 at 22:35

    But knowing F1, we’re probably going to end up being disappointed and not hear anything about either of them.

    Either that, or quite literally everything will happen on one day.

    Expect the retirement of Alonso, the scrapping of the 2009 regulations, the withdrawal of Ferrari and the return of some decent race tracks to the calendar.

  • me29/01/2009 at 22:43

    Wait, I think I’m alive. How y’all doin? Spent my day lurkin whilst screaming at bloomin iTunes. Defo gonna give the torrents a try very soon

    wassup?

  • me29/01/2009 at 22:44

    Wait, you forgot Fisichella. Technically, he was worse than Sutil. Fisi didn’t do well at any track.

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/09/13/cutting-it-fine/

  • R.G (Save Croft Circuit : Sort marital problems without ruining my life as well)29/01/2009 at 22:46

    wassup?

    In a short gist of it, iTunes says I need QuikTime, which I had. Then realise it has mysteriously disappeared into a puff of smoke, so downloading quicktime again which is a pain in the ye ol backside, now having to delete more stuff so I can fit quicktime on. Just grrr.

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/09/13/cutting-it-fine/

    That was qualfying though, race wise he was poor. Sutil at least went up to 4th and had a unbelievable chance at points. Fisi didn't.

  • me29/01/2009 at 22:47

    That was qualfying though, race wise he was poor. Sutil at least went up to 4th and had a unbelievable chance at points. Fisi didn’t.

    fair point.

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 22:48

    I’m wondering why would they seek a loan if they have a buyer, seems to suggest that a management buyout is more likely.

    Yup, sounds about right.

    Not sure if the taxpayers would want to fund an F1 team, though. {Journeyer quoting Jackie - 115 comments ago}

    They're already helping to keep F1 (and, for the moment, Williams) afloat by funding the part-nationalisation of RBS. I doubt the government would be prepared to do anything this blatant though, not unless it can hide its actions behind a fairly "interesting" excuse...

  • R.G (Save Croft Circuit : Sort marital problems without ruining my life as well)29/01/2009 at 22:49

    Alright, before I kill someone, most likely the head of the Apple company, I'm off to bed. Going for the shortest stint ever on spc.com

  • Andy Taylor29/01/2009 at 22:51

    Alright, before I kill someone, most likely the head of the Apple company, I’m off to bed. Going for the shortest stint ever on spc.com

    What's up RG?

  • R.G (Save Croft Circuit : Sort marital problems without ruining my life as well)29/01/2009 at 22:51

    What’s up RG?

    As mentioned

    In a short gist of it, iTunes says I need QuikTime, which I had. Then realise it has mysteriously disappeared into a puff of smoke, so downloading quicktime again which is a pain in the ye ol backside, now having to delete more stuff so I can fit quicktime on. Just grrr.

  • R.G (Save Croft Circuit : Sort marital problems without ruining my life as well)29/01/2009 at 22:53

    Oh thank god, got it working. Night all

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 22:54

    I should point out I know nothing about advertising - I removed Google ads from my homepage last year (the most visited page on my site) and revenue increased. Go figure! {Ollie - 81 comments ago}

    That makes no sense to me either...

  • Dom29/01/2009 at 23:00

    now that’s a rear wing

    !!!

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:06

    On the ads debate - I don't like them on TV but I can just about put up with them in print media. This is reflected by my attitude to them on the internet - static ads are fine by me (as long as they make sense in the context of the site or at the very least aren't offensive or contradictory to its nature), but the dynamic and multimedia varieties get on my nerves. I have Adblocker Plus on my primary browser as a matter of course.

    I don't have a feed reader because it forces me to have an intelligent look at the sites I want to see instead of waiting for a program to do the looking for me (and, given the age of feed reader that's installed on my computer as part of a web design package, missing half the sites anyway through obsolescence on the reader's part).

    I don't think I've ever bought anything using direct advertising though (it seems I need something subtler, personal experience of different options or the need for a specific item to persuade me to reliably pick one choice over another).

    I deliberately avoid having conventional adverts on my site because I don't see much point in having them. There will need to be some sort of method of getting to the shop I'm going to open at the weekend, but that's probably going to be a link and an explanatory blog entry. I wouldn't go to an online shop on the strength of a Google advert and I wouldn't expect my readers to do so either.

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:08

    I would FAR rather them have ads then them have restricted feeds. {Ollie - 85 comments ago}

    Me too. Just as well, since my blog can't do restricted feeds, only full-text ones...

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:12

    Horrible livery? Check. Horrible nose? Check. A bit slow? Check. {Dank - 80 comments ago}

    Repeat of 2007 pending? Check.

    Any bets on the 2010 Renault race line-up being completely different to the 2009 one (assuming Renault is still on the grid at that stage)?

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:17

    I can say there is quite a bit of concern in the marshaling fraternity about the safety of KERS. {marshalbeej}

    One of them even wrote a letter that got published in Autosport the week before Autosport International. I'd like to think they were worrying about fresh air, but I have a horrible feeling at least one of the KERS systems will go catastrophically wrong at some point in the season (and if Ferrari goes with the nose-KERS option, I'd be prepared to put money on their system having a serious malfunction). In such a situation, I think the marshalls are entitled to be worried. Telling the marshals they can't touch a car with an active KERS system is one thing, but how far away should they stand? What do they do if the car with activated KERS breaks apart (i.e. which bits are safe to touch when)? And what if there is a very good reason why the car needs to be touched (will the marshals have their own KERS deactivation system to hand)?

    Some answers would be helpful, even if the first two answers are unlikely to be aired in public regardless of whether the marshals get their answer.

  • me29/01/2009 at 23:20

    have added pics of the renault trucks to this post:

    http://www.sidepodcast.com/2009/01/29/renault-testing-in-the-uk-today/

    given the kerfuffle five lorries have managed to generate on the web today. if we do 12 days of xmas again. could it be "fiiiive renault trucks", please?

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:24

    he set his car on fire in brazil. {me - 53 comments ago}

    The Honda set itself on fire when Jenson turned his attention elsewhere for a moment - unless you're suggesting Jenson lacks focus...

  • lou29/01/2009 at 23:26

    given the kerfuffle five lorries have managed to generate on the web today. if we do 12 days of xmas again. could it be “fiiiive renault trucks”, please?

    perhaps it would be advisable to wait until the '09 season to actually begin before planning next year's christmas song :P

  • me29/01/2009 at 23:27

    perhaps it would be advisable to wait until the ‘09 season to actually begin before planning next year’s christmas song

    ok :(

  • Andy Taylor29/01/2009 at 23:29

    perhaps it would be advisable to wait until the ‘09 season to actually begin before planning next year’s christmas song

    Do we have to do the 12 days again? :(

  • lou29/01/2009 at 23:29

    ok

    maybe you should start a wiki page though? to start gathering ideas? will be funny to see how much of it we remember come next December :)

  • lou29/01/2009 at 23:29

    Do we have to do the 12 days again?

    it was 'me's idea ;)

  • me29/01/2009 at 23:30

    Do we have to do the 12 days again?

    are there any others?

  • Andy Taylor29/01/2009 at 23:34

    are there any others?

    One or two. :)

  • me29/01/2009 at 23:37

    One or two.

    i delegate that responsibility to you then :)

  • Andy Taylor29/01/2009 at 23:37

    i delegate that responsibility to you then

    Damn!

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:45

    Wait, you forgot Fisichella. Technically, he was worse than Sutil. Fisi didn’t do well at any track. {R.G. - 19 comments ago}

    What about Brazil, when Fisi was set for a point until the clutch failed in the first stop? Or the Malaysia/Bahrain/Spain sequence, where he took the Force India to two 12ths and a 10th respectively after qualifying 17th, 18th and 19th respectively? Fisi did moderately well in quite a few races, it was just that because Sutil did very well once, a lot of people forgot.

    Statistically, Fisi managed three results that were better than the best result Sutil had. Once could have been lucky and two coincidence. Three suggests he had consistent good performance in his favour, if not luck (in Monaco, Fisi was denied the opportunity to do a Sutil because Fisi's gearbox never had more than five functional gears, and was limited to 4th and above after about lap 15).

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:54

    Sutil at least went up to 4th and had a unbelievable chance at points. Fisi didn’t. {R.G. - 25 comments ago}

    In Monza, the Force India worked a lot better in qualifying trim than race trim. Sutil couldn't beat Bourdais even after having a lap-and-a-third head-start, which indicates the car simply wasn't fast enough. Which explains why Raikkonen and Hamilton spent seven laps staring at Fisi's rear wing instead of the nine Hamilton spent doing it when Fisi's car had decent race pace in Brazil...

  • Alianora La Canta29/01/2009 at 23:56

    Do we have to do the 12 days again? {Andy Taylor - 9 comments ago}

    I enjoyed it (not sure the Skype connection did, though...)

  • Journeyer30/01/2009 at 03:18

    That was qualfying though, race wise he was poor. Sutil at least went up to 4th and had a unbelievable chance at points. Fisi didn’t.

    Fisi did well in Spain - finished in the top 10, almost scored points.

  • Journeyer30/01/2009 at 03:21

    What about Brazil, when Fisi was set for a point until the clutch failed in the first stop? Or the Malaysia/Bahrain/Spain sequence, where he took the Force India to two 12ths and a 10th respectively after qualifying 17th, 18th and 19th respectively? Fisi did moderately well in quite a few races, it was just that because Sutil did very well once, a lot of people forgot.

    Yeah, what she said. :P